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mandk

I heard the PM on the radio yesterday evening.

She was talking about a place called Idalee.

I couldn’t find it in my atlas.

Anyone know where it is?
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March 12, 2020 8:01am
- tui47
  
  Her pronunciation is so bad I am surprised that one of her advisers haven’t said something. If she said it without the context of the corona virus we would have no idea what she was referring to.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:10am
  - igm
    
    Have you not noticed many announcers and young females are substituting “T” with “D”!
    Seems the harridan has achieved something.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:40am
  - Paulus
    
    I get annoyed when the TV announcers now when talking about Twenty something say Twenny.
    Have they been told to do this or are they just lazy ?
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:06am
    - calendar girl
      
      Lazy …. and probably less-than-well trained or educated.
      
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      March 12, 2020 11:46am
- peterwn
  
  Idaho?
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Puff the magic dragon lived in Idalee . . .
  
  donchaknow nothink!
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:32am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Idano, sorry
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:35am
  - Ruawai
    
    aha Idalee in Jacindaspeak is Italy
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:39am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah but she has a Communications degree. Perhaps she should have studied elocution?
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:48am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah, but she has a communications degree. Perhaps she should have studied elocution?
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:51am
- projectman
  
  Get with it. It’s where the Idalians live.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:19am
- Nookin
  
  “Idalee” is the sheltered shore of Lake Ida in Central Otago
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:04am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Or it could be the sheltered shore of Lake Ida in Canterbury (West of L Coleridge).
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:52am
- Misha Beattie
  
  No. She was referring to “Ida Lee”. It is a resort town in Virginia USA.
  
  https://www.leesburgva.gov/government/departments/parks-recreation/ida-lee-park-recreation-center
  
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  March 12, 2020 11:41am
- Scooter
  
  Where Idalians live, and thank god I have escaped to
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:10pm
jacob

Global recession and Winston Peters under investigation by the SFO – I remember this election!
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March 12, 2020 8:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Sam Morgan doesn’t pull his punches on what he thinks of our PM’s slack attitude to Covid-19.

The infections that happen this weekend and the infections that come from those infections are all on her because these risks are both obvious and easily mitigated.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/03/11/1078054/some-worrying-calculations-on-covid-19
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March 12, 2020 8:07am
- tui47
  
  She has told people arriving from Italy to self isolate. However they are arriving on the plane and queuing with others. As far as tourists are concerned, they are unlikely to self isolate. Australia has banned travel to and from Italy. Also big gatherings should be banned whatever the financial cost (or the removal of photos ops for Jacinda. Of course it is fair to say that Jacinda’s pronunciation of ‘Italy’ is so bad that no Italian could hope to understand.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:15am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Australia banned travel to and from Italy after all the cars, crew , and drivers arrived for Grand Prix.
    This decision looks like someone sat on their hands.Stupid silly decision.
    Have to agree about self isolation, only have to watch an episode of Border control to see how people can be trusted, they fill out a declarartion then bring in half a shop of food in their bags.
    The Victorian police minister was telling the public yesterday it was still fine to shake hands.
    NZ has 1 person per million infected, Australia 5 and Italy went from 169 to 206 overnight. Norway now has 624 cases, going up 30% overnight, this is going to go through NZ and Australia very quickly as it will throughout the world.
    It will need clear and precise leadership to fight it.
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:03am
    - NoCash
      
      As of now, 7 F1 team personnel from McLaren, Williams, Haas, and Renault are being tested for covid-19 and in isolation.
      
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      March 12, 2020 12:12pm
      - Ruawai
        
        Stupid decision to allow grand prix teams to go to Australia. Money over health but will ultimately cost money.
        
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        March 12, 2020 1:13pm
  - Scooter
    
    The idiot can’t pronounce Italy, what hope for us
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:17pm
- Misha Beattie
  
  If New Zealand becomes Italy I think we will be in deep trouble. We should all be prepared for a scenario where you need to cope at home for 30 days without leaving. If the shit hits the fan, many of those minimum wage workers at the supermarkets will not show up to work and supply disruptions will hit quickly.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:23am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Agree on the prep, but easy enough to keep supermarkets going with no customers – just do home delivery, a few well separated staff gathering together orders for delivery is minimal danger. And can be done 24/7. Infrastructure and food supply will be fine.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:40am
    - mark15
      
      I doubt it.What you described is ‘proactivity’
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:24am
  - Simon
    
    “If New Zealand becomes Italy I think we will be in deep trouble.”
    
    If NZ becomes 10% of Italy there would be a general collapse.
    
    Dont think the Wuhan Virus is that much of a problem as its mostly over. But take personal preparations because the State will collapse quickly.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:55am
  - namron
    
    Misha, maybe all of those people who went crazy buying up all of the loo paper had the right idea!
    If the “shit hits the fan” I am likely to wish I had gone “crazy” too!!
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:05am
    - Misha Beattie
      
      No they were nuts. I have just been buying a few extra things for the last month in an orderly way. Nothing I would not eat anyway. It is also a good idea to have a good supply of soap and paper towels.
      
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      March 12, 2020 12:43pm
      - The Right One
        
        I have always bought a few extra things ..and they came in handy after the Christchurch earthquakes….Yesterday the doctor told my husband he is in the 5% highest risk group so he has to plan to isolate himself , which would have to include me.
        Thank God for deep freezers.
        
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        March 12, 2020 4:12pm
- MCos
  
  Everyone’s an expert.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:24am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s not rocket science. Just reading statistics.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:40am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    There are in excess of 7,700,000,000 people in the world.
    
    There have been confirmed about 120,000 cases of Covid-19, about 4,300 deaths world wide.
    
    I’m not an expert because I don’t see the problem.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:42am
    - Simon
      
      “I’m not an expert because I don’t see the problem”
      
      There aint a problem. Wuhan virus dividend. Air pollution in China greatly reduced.
      
      A 2015 study from the non-profit organization Berkeley Earth estimated that 1.6 million people in China die each year from heart, lung and stroke problems because of polluted air.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_in_China
      
      The Wuhan virus dividend for NZ will be the reduced flu cases in the winter.
      
      The Wuhan virus is peaking. Its over. Reap the dividend.
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:52am
    - emmess
      
      Yeah, well you are not very smart then.
      Read the article Maggy Wassilieff posted
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:55am
    - Andrew Worth
      
      Go read Maggy Wassilieff’s link.
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:58am
    - SGA
      
      I’m not an expert because I don’t see the problem.
      
      May be this will help. It’s rather like someone on the 15th story of an apartment building not being worried because only a few rooms on the 2nd floor are ablaze.
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:10am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        More like a room on the second floor has a cigarette burning in the ashtray.
        
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        March 12, 2020 10:08am
      - SGA
        
        lol – it appears that Italy, Iran, etc. are dealing with more than China’s second-hand smoke.
        
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        March 12, 2020 10:28am
- SGA
  
  From a quick read, I’m mixed. Morgan would like have seen see all “large gatherings” closed down indefinitely. He mentions events such as concerts and festivals. If you go down that route then schools and universities, for example, are more of a concern because, although smaller in scale, those large gatherings occur nearly daily with more mixing and interaction. For how long would we need to close all these down? Until there is no risk of anybody in the world bringing Covid-19 into NZ? That’s unlikely to be a matter of weeks – months at least. He’s right – banning gatherings of people would impair the spread of the virus, but for how long would that ban be sustainable?
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:31am
  - Ruawai
    
    As long as it takes, the costs of lives and money will be greater if we become the next Italy.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:40am
    - SGA
      
      My guess is that the risk of an outbreak of coronavirus will be with us for some time – mass vaccination will be the best defense and, if possible at all, that’s 12-18 months away . Yes, we could heavily restrict our borders, close down schools, universities, public transport, workplaces were people must be within 2 metres of each other, religious gatherings, public events, and suchlike but months of that would be extremely disruptive. That said, we may have to do that eventually anyway.
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:56am
      - Ruawai
        
        That is my point so why not do it when everyone is healthy rather than when we have mass infection.
        
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        March 12, 2020 1:17pm
  - tf78
    
    Two universities in Aus have been closed due to a visiting lecturer from the Philippines who was carrying Covid-19. I’ve noticed Labour here are just trying to copy everything the Aussie’s are doing but very slowly and not financially beneficial to NZers.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:50am
    - SGA
      
      trying to copy everything the Aussie’s are doing
      
      Perhaps, but I suspect that looking around the world you see similar “game plans” being enacted as a response to the threat as it develops in their country. Based on the stats, I imagine health authorities are, for example, looking at what South Korea has done to arrest the spread of the virus there. Australia is further into the game than we are, and have increased their response accordingly.
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:25am
  - DeepBlue
    
    As long as of takes Woods, Twiford and Clark to build a 1000 bed hospital.
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:05am
    - SGA
      
      And for those not in Auckland? 🙂
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:06am
    - alloytoo
      
      So never then?
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:19am
- Tall Man
  
  She’s bewildered Maggy.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:34am
  - Simon
    
    Cindy is a mong. Next step will be to set up Kiwivirus headed by Phil Twyford. General collapse to quickly follow.
    
    Cindy the mong she will get lucky on the Wuhan virus though.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:59am
    - GoVege
      
      What’s a “mong”, Simon?
      If you mean what I think you mean, I’d be careful using that expression in public….
      
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      March 12, 2020 12:47pm
      - Michael NZ
        
        Go Vege
        You know what it is.
        Stop your emotional shaming words.
        It is schoolyard slang for an idiot or not right thinking person…. or a moron.
        
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        March 12, 2020 5:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/comedy/a346603/ricky-gervais-remains-defiant-over-use-of-word-mong/
        
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        March 12, 2020 5:44pm
      - GoVege
        
        Idiot/ moron are general words for insulting a person’s intelligence.
        “Mong” presumably is short for mongol or a person with downs syndrome.
        Maybe you shouldn’t be singling out people born with an extra chromosome and just stick to the more general type of putdown.
        
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        March 12, 2020 6:36pm
- Andrei
  
  Get some perspective folks
  
  The cure is worse than the disease – the average age of the people who have died in Italy is eighty years old and guess what folks people of that age dying is not an unusal occurrence.
  
  For the young and people in the prime of their life Coronavirus is not at this point a particualarly big deal – indeed for many if not most it is entirely asymptomatic
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:54am
  - SGA
    
    Current stats are that Covid-19 is killing 13 of every 1000 infected aged between 50-59, 36 of every 1000 between 60-69, 80 of every 1000 between 70-79, and 148 of every 1000 over 80. It’s only about 2 to 4 of every 1000 for 20 to 50 year olds.
    
    But that’s not the only issue – Italy’s medical system is being swamped by the number of critical cases – and that’s another very real part of the equation.
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      our experts reckon our Health System will be under pressure for the next 2 years.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/411436/coronavirus-experts-warn-of-hospital-resources-being-stretched
      
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      March 12, 2020 11:07am
      - Andrei
        
        Experts, schemxperts – experts in doom and gloom, with masters degrees in pessimism.
        
        It is right for public health authorities to look at worst case scenarios but it is totally wrong for the media to report them as certainties.
        
        You know Maggie this epidemic is in decline in China and the vast majority of Chinese citizens have suffered no long term adverse outcomes from this virus – the economic fallout will be far more consquential than the health one and I don’t believe the overall mortality rate in China will show a significant increase as a result of it.
        
        These sort of events have happen multiple times before, the difference today being is that modern science can rapidiy sequence the causative agent and identify it as something not seen before. Which allows the media to go off the deep end
        
        The same thing happened with legionaires disease which had actually been around forever but the agent that caused it was identified after a cluster of patients developed it at an American Legion convention. And mass hysteria driven by media hyperbole ensued – while common sense people worked out how to maintain air conditioning systems so that the causative bacteria would not find safe haven in them – so a cluster like that has not been seen again. But people still get it from things like potting mix and if they are old and sick die.
        
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        March 12, 2020 11:46am
      - SGA
        
        You know Maggie this epidemic is in decline in China
        
        For heaven’s sake, Andrei, yes it is, but why is it in decline? Because they took your “nothing to see here, folks, please move along” approach? Was that what they did? You are scoring an own goal with that example.
        
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        March 12, 2020 12:22pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Government should be running a huge emergency treatment/ICU building program, and as universities close for the year they should hire them all on to become paramedics. Younger you are the lower your risk of death.
        
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        March 12, 2020 12:50pm
  - cmm
    
    Life expectancy in Italy is only 82 years, so those 81-year olds falling off the perch were already losing their grip.
    
    Italy has high smoking rates and I suspect that, like China, that will be an issue too but I have no hard evidence to back that up.
    
    So what’s going to happen if we get large numbers here? If it follows that pattern then we can expect a lot of older heavy smokers to die.
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:33am
    - MCos
      
      If you are eighty in NZ you can normally expect to live another ten years.
      So don’t be so blasé about writing someone off just because they’ve reached a certain age.
      
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      March 12, 2020 11:29am
      - SGA
        
        I’m starting to wonder if cmm’s favorite movie is “Logan’s Run”.
        
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        March 12, 2020 12:40pm
      - cmm
        
        Sorry to give you an impression of being blasé about age. That was not my intent.
        
        I am, however, blasé who have reduced their life expectancy through self inflicted causes like smoking.
        
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        March 12, 2020 2:10pm
    - Scooter
      
      Only 82, that’s not bad and to be honest who wants to live much past that. Although I would say that Italians over 80 are far more healthy and active than any other group.
      
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      March 12, 2020 1:34pm
      - cmm
        
        According the stats I’ve seen, Italy rates 8th for longevity – ahead of NZ.
        
        That said, Italy is far from a homogenous country. Quite likely some regions are longer lived than others – just as in NZ.
        
        No problem living longer if you are healthy, but if your last 10 years are wrapped in incontinence pads, probably not that flash…
        
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        March 12, 2020 2:17pm
    - RdM
      
      Actually, I’d expect older smokers to survive.
      
      You may have drunk the pharma funded anti-tobacco kool-aid, which the MSM propagates, (the anti-tobaco scam is even older than the ‘climate change’ or CAGW scam) – but actual studies show:
      
      Three studies of confirmed corona virus cases in China have until now found that never-smokers are strongly in excess in coronavirus-patients, and that smokers with covid-19 in turn are extremely rare …
      
      In one study of 140 confirmed patients in Wuhan District, there were 2 smokers and 7 ex-smokers – the remaining 131 patients were never smokers, corresponding to 94% of patients …
      
      “The exact underlying causes of the lower incidence of COVID‐19 in current smokers are still unknown,” the authors write:
      
      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/all.14238
      
      In the second study of 1099, covid-19 patients from 552 hospitals in China confirmed that 85% of patients were never smokers, while only 12% were smokers and 2% were ex-smokers:
      
      https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032
      
      In a third small study of 41 confirmed patients, 38 were found to be non-smokers (93%), while only 3 patients were smokers (7%). None of the 3 smoking cases were serious:
      
      https://www.thelancet.com/…/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183…/fulltext
      
      The figures should be compared to the fact that smoking is much more prevalent in China than here: Much less than half of the population are never-smokers in China. As many as 70% of men are daily or occasional smokers, while only about 5% of women claim to be smokers.
      
      The remarkable and clear figures from these studies are undeniably suggesting that smoking can have a protective effect against covid-19 … just as smoking protects against a variety of bacteria and infections
      
      And here is a fourth study:
      
      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30079-5/fulltext
      
      Setting: 52 severe hit covid-19 patients enrolled in the Wuhan Jin Yin-tan hospital in January.
      
      32 of these patients died, leaving only 20 survivors. The group consisted of 50 non-smokers (96%) and 2 smokers (4%), who were both among the survivors.
      
      And similar was recorded in the Black Plague, or Black Death, evidence in a later post perhaps.
      
      It’s possible that smoking is protective against many things, even lung cancer.
      
      Lung cancer is a relatively rare disease.
      
      Likely causes include dirty diesel exhaust, among others.
      
      The anti-smokers in their ivory towers like to tell you, even though lung cancer affects only 1-2% of the population, that only 20% of non-smokers get it… implying that the other 80% are smokers.
      
      But they count ever smokers and never smokers.
      
      The true figures are more like 20% never smokers, 20% current smokers, 60% recent quitters.
      
      “The ratio of lung cancer sufferers in the developed world has been known for many years and is roughly; Active smokers 20% and Never smokers 20% with Quitters accounting for 60% of all lung cancers, so you can see how they spin these facts to produce 80% ‘smokers’.
      More recently, A study in California, reported at the 11th International Lung Cancer conference in 2010, disclosed that the ratio was even more stark; ie. Active smokers 11.3%: Never smokers 23%; and Ex-smokers 65.7%, with a mean length of time between quitting and developing lung cancer of 18 years. (Cindy Mong et al 2010) ”
      
      More later.
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:24pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  “The only effective strategy we have right now is social distancing for everyone and social isolation if you are infected. No hand shaking, no hugs, no mosh-pits. We should be promoting that strategy now.”
  If anyone needed that advice they must have been asleep for a month.
  
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  March 12, 2020 11:09am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I wonder who the down ticker is. Fucking moron will probably get the bug and spread it around. This article has some interesting points about how and why the virus exploded in Italy.
  https://time.com/5799586/italy-coronavirus-outbreak/
  
  That’s why the Christchurch thing, the Pacifica festival etc should be shut down. We don’t really know who has it in New Zealand.
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:47pm
- Ruahine
  
  The go-aheads for the Pacifica Festival and the shooting’aniversary’ are Political decisions. One is agreed to so that the other event for the world media can go ahead.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:10pm
peterwn

So Jacinda is accusing Simon Bridges of raising undue alarm regarding the coronavirus. Sorry, Jacinda but them Leader of the Opposition is there to hold the Government to account. Jacinda if you think it is of sufficient concern for NZ that the Opposition is brought on side then put NZ on a ‘war’ footing and bring Simon and his key people into Cabinet to contribute to and participate in the decision making. Remember what Herbert Hoover said – it is better to have someone inside the tent pee-ing out of the tent than someone outside the tent pee-ing into the tent.
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March 12, 2020 8:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It might be time for Jacinda Ardern to start listening to Simon Bridges.
  
  Finally WHO has recognised the bloody obvious and declared a pandemic.
  
  And as Ghebreyesus says:
  
  “We have called every day for countries to take urgent and aggressive action. We have rung the alarm bell loud and clear,”
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/eu-promises-takes-curb-coronavirus-live-updates-200310235816410.html
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:32am
- hullkiwi
  
  ….and if you heard Morning Report this morning at 7.15am, you would have heard the Minister of Health, the Hon. Dr David Clark proclaim “that the government was ahead of the rest of the world by announcing the $12bn infrastructure investment and that this was now feeding into the economy”. This was in the latter stages of Dann’s interview with Clark at 7.15am on RNZ this morning.
  
  This was after the failed package announced by Tweedledee and Tweedledum (Ardern and Robertson) earlier in the week, and after the UK govt announced a massive stimulus package overnight.
  
  With regards to Clark’s comment I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bigger alternative version of the truth.
  
  Because of the drought in the North Island and the on-going impact of Covid19, we need the government to front foot the economic impact. Rather than hear Robertson’s platitudes that we have a strong economy and they have forecast future surpluses. We have all seen economic forecasts in the past, and the chances are you would have been homeless if you’d banked your house on any of them.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:58am
  - Ruawai
    
    Most of that 12 billion isn’t even being spent for years to come. Just another sound bite.
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:20pm
- Simon
  
  MSM trick is over play some issue or crisis and then Cindy to step in with a fix. This has been common last 2 years. MSM knowing full well there was never a real problem or it had been already sorted. Play it out for a couple days and then a long comes Cindy. Like magic.
  
  Common for RNZ.
  
  However with Wuhan virus MSM have miscalculated. There is no quick fix and the virus will take some time to finish. Cindy & MSM all about spin but cant spin the Wuhan virus.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:05am
  - alloytoo
    
    Sadly Ardern is the Crisis.
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:21am
    - Michael NZ
      
      yes, she might well be.
      Why we haven’t closed the borders to the infected areas and meet arrivals with temperature scanners I don’t know.
      NZ is slack, because Labour/Greens/NZF is slack.
      
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      March 12, 2020 5:19pm
- cmm
  
  But the coronavirus is not part of the Labour party so she can’t control it.
  
  She can, however, call on Kiwis to reject the coronavirus and not vote for it in the next election.
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:37am
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Whilst Cindy’s handling of Covid 29 comes under critical scrutiny how is Donald Trump faring ? Not very well I’m afraid spending during the week couple of days away at golf. He’s learning that you can’t tweet a or‘crowd strike ‘ a virus away,

Coronavirus outbreak
‘A tweet can’t knock over a pandemic’: has Trump met his match in coronavirus?
Trump’s efforts at denial and distraction may come back to haunt him as he faces a different kind

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/donald-trump-coronavirus-response

The US President also has some baffling ideas as to what the Covid 19 virus is actually about. Lucky for us and the world some of his advisors do This is not a time to be acting the goat, though as his recent meeting with the press demonstrates ,
Trump’s Coronavirus Press Event Was Even Worse Than It Looked
His remarks at the CDC on Friday were misguided, misleading, and show how misinformation could hamper Covid-19 containment efforts.

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/trumps-coronavirus-press-event-was-even-worse-than-it-looked/amp
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March 12, 2020 8:13am
- Fletch
  
  Actually, Trump and his team have been focused like a laser on combating the disease. He was way ahead of the ball with travel restrictions, getting medical experts together and so on, while the Dems were doing nothing. He is actually doing a fantastic job.
  
  Of course, the media are saying otherwise, because – like everything else – they use any opportunity to attack Trump.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:31am
  - Batman
    
    Focused like a laser on keeping the public number down (see: cruise ship comments) and defending the gutting of the global health event team by saying that a pandemic was totally unpredictable.
    
    Yeah, a great job.
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      Beats ardern hands down though dontcha think?
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:46am
      - Batman
        
        We’ll see. Certainly things are nowhere near as chaotic here as they are in the US. But distance is helping us a lot.
        
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        March 12, 2020 10:53am
    - kloyd0306
      
      At least we know one thing: Both you and DPF have contracted the TDS virus.
      
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      March 12, 2020 11:50am
      - Michael NZ
        
        hehe.
        
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        March 12, 2020 5:20pm
  - Raphael
    
    And Trump has banned all travel from Europe to the US for the next 30 days.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12316151
    
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    March 12, 2020 2:24pm
hullkiwi

Let’s see:
1. Two Labour mayor’s electoral expenses referred by Police to the SFO for investigation. Now the SFO have declared they are investigating;
2. NZF Foundation documents leaked to media, enough published for a complaint to the Electoral Commission. The EC study the information and believe there is sufficient to refer matters to the police, who promptly pass the case to the SFO, who and then announce an investigation;
3. JLR in his fallout with National, claims malpractice regarding sourcing and handling of donations. He takes his info to the Police, who pass it to the SFO. The SFO investigate and have now pressed charges against 4 people, none of whom are National MPs or central to the National Party.
4. JRL claims in the House National has received money from the CCP, but has provided no proof.

Summary, of the 3 major parties,.lots of accusation about National, but no evidence or on-going investigations or charges. However, it is unprecedented for 2 mayors to be subject to SFO investigation, and finally NZF – maybe this time some charges might be forthcoming… .
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March 12, 2020 8:17am
- Tall Man
  
  What are the odds that the whole jlr saga has been orchestrated by “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
  It seems quite clear to me that the recorded conversation was being led by jlr but Simon didn’t follow the script he hoped for. That is why “what’s in it for wynston” was “promising” the end for Simon Bridges but it looks like jlr will be cut loose by him very shortly.
  
  The level of corruption brought into our Parliament due to the ignorance of ardern is appalling. I labelled her a liar from day 1, now it would seem she is complicit in direct political corruption.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:40am
  - sooty
    
    You people are just so mean complaining about the SFO investigation of two of NZs best mayors.
    They are just doing what they have always done.
    After all they are ex labour members of parliament, who know how to screw the scrum and are just bringing that rort, out to the common ratepayer. It’s only fair that everyone gets to share!
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ….and TM, if you are prepared to let yourself be infected by the Standard and read the views of the other side. National is all corrupt and the Left are squeaky clean ….what is it about the Labour party and their supporters?
    
    ….are the living in an alternative universe?
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:17am
    - alloytoo
      
      The Standard projects what they know Labour are doing onto National.
      
      What they forget it that the bulk of National MPs have careers they wish to return to, and reputations they need to protect.
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:32am
    - tf78
      
      They live in Aotearoa don’t ya know.
      
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      March 12, 2020 11:27am
    - Ruahine
      
      The SFO was set up by National and it is a biased corrupt organisation that never investigates National only ever picks on ordinary people. Jacinda should do away with the SFO. She easily can. So she should.
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:15pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    The smirking of Winston and his baiting/goading of Simon in the house shows how intertwined Winston was in the JLR phone recording, with hindsight.
    
    It is also now obvious why the surprise move by JLR to give his proxy vote to NZF but to vote with National happened so quickly. Winston had it all worked out so his Waka Jumping law wouldn’t be tarnished….
    
    I wonder how long it is going to be before Tracy Martin does the reverse. She can’t possibly stay with NZFirst, but will she take Winston down on her way out?
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      Isn’t there a pecuniary penalty imposed on any “what’s in it for wynston” party member that leaves the wizard’s circle?
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:45am
      - DeepBlue
        
        There was talk of a financial penalty.
        
        Say it was a six figure sum, how many wealthy Nat supporters would fund Tracy Martin just to squash Winston?
        
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        March 12, 2020 2:06pm
    - peterwn
      
      I do not think that house voting has anything to do with Simon declining to invoke the Waka hopper rule against JLR.
      Simon figured that any attempt to invoke it against JLR would be struck down by the courts (and like any decent barrister would have a pretty shrewd idea of how judges see things). Simon probably considered the Waka hopper law to be toothless when it was being considered by the House but was not going to tell that to Andy and Winnie.
      
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      March 12, 2020 12:06pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        I agree Simon made his own decision over this. My comment was about how Winston and JLR acted together so quickly to avoid the Waka law too.
        
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        March 12, 2020 2:09pm
G152

Evidently Mallard acknowledges that Peters has ‘an alternate truth’.
The $100000 spent by a government department as reported by the department is -really- only $800000.
We know ’cause Peters said and he never lies
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March 12, 2020 8:17am
Maggy Wassilieff

It might be long, slow Autumn ahead folks…
so here’s my plan for the next few weeks:

I’m off to replenish my supply of thick-skinned Pumpkins (enough to last us through winter)

I’ll be sowing loads of snow-peas and quick-growing Asian veges (they seed freely)..

I’ve taken out ‘Wolf Hall” & “Bring up the Bodies” to reread before I start on “the Mirror and the Light”.
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March 12, 2020 8:18am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I shall have a go at The Luminaries and hibernate for 30 days
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ha ha..
    I’m not that desperate yet…
    
    anyway I’ve got War & Peace and quite a few more Booker Winners to work through before I attempt a NZ novel again.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:55am
    - Biscuit
      
      Maggy, it remains my ambition to one day, one day actually get to Page Two of ‘The Bone People’.
      
      (Mind, I have similar difficulties with ‘Infinite Jest’ by David Foster Wallace…)
      
      How that thing – ‘The Bone People’ – ever won a Booker is beyond me…
      
      And its author’s subsequent slide-into-nonentity-status puzzled me not one jot!
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:14am
      - curry4me
        
        Biscuit: It ticked the minimum neccessary number of PC boxes.
        
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        March 12, 2020 12:42pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “How that thing – ‘The Bone People’ –ever won a Booker is beyond me”
        
        Alas – I’ve given up on modern ‘literature’, because I keep being bombarded with PC woke moral tracts. I’m going back to the classics…
        
        Someone is funding this trend – presumably woke SJWs who pride themselves on having this stuff in their bookshelves.
        
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        March 12, 2020 1:26pm
      - MCos
        
        You read one page of the Bone People and decided it was rubbish.
        
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        March 12, 2020 2:28pm
    - OTGO
      
      MW can I recommend anything by Owen Marshall and in particular his latest novel “Pearly Gates” which I think is set in my hometown but in fact could be about any small town in NZ.
      
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      March 12, 2020 2:59pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Yikes.
        
        Mod, I was about to reply to MCos’s reply to my post but pressed REPORT in error.
        
        Please ignore that REPORT!
        
        MCos, I didn’t say ‘The Bone People’ was rubbish – just unreadable. For me, anyway.
        
        I vaguely recall it has a great first line – something like ‘He walks down the road; the asphalt reels past him’ but nothing thereafter persuaded me to continue.
        
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        March 12, 2020 9:39pm
  - lifesgood
    
    You’ll go insane if you read The Luminaries. Don’t bother, it’s pretentious twaddle. When you’re cooped up there are way better things to read.
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:16am
    - Michael NZ
      
      I agree, I’m not an egghead but even I could see it was tedious as I read it, stopped 2/3 way through.
      
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      March 12, 2020 5:25pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Any good fast growing proteins?
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Snow peas (sugar peas, mangetout, Chinese peas)
    
    These are quick-growing… you can eat them pod & all (steamed, stir-fry)… so don’t have to wait until the peas become swollen seeds.
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Thanks Maggy, I’ll pass that on to my gardening wife.
      
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      March 12, 2020 11:24am
  - Ruawai
    
    Chickens!
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:24pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Bunnies.
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:26pm
- rockape
  
  4 freezers full of home grown veg , fruit and meat. Chickens are still laying and the geese and ducks are wondering round the paddocks. Just had a new order of wine delivered so 120 bottles in the rack.
  Sadly wife is an Nurse practitioner in ED so bound top bring it home.
  
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  March 12, 2020 11:45am
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The vermin are still among us ,

Fears that far-right extremist threat one year on

Distinguished Professor of Sociology, Paul Spoonley, has grave concerns about the far right extremist threat not disappearing one year on from the attack on the Christchurch mosques, despite reassurances they would be tackled…”

Listen to the Panel,

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/thepanel/audio/2018737978/fears-that-far-right-extremist-threat-one-year-on
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March 12, 2020 8:23am
- Steve James
  
  Far right extreemists…. Has anyone here ever met one? or even seen one? I’m quite sure I haven’t.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:35am
  - Batman
    
    Have you ever met a far left terrorist?
    
    Just because you haven’t met one doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
    
    Look at the little twerps from action Zealandia, for instance.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Actually Batman I have met a far left terrorist who was quite proud of the disruption he had caused over the 1080 protest action and intended to do much more.
      
      Everyday a woman appears in the media preaching about kindness and transparency while behind the scenes she is actively engaged in actions and daily decisions that will have the same impact on our country that a left wing terrorist would die for.
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:45am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      No comment about the far left extremists who complained about Action Zealandia then?
      
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      March 12, 2020 8:47am
    - David George
      
      If the “little twerps from action Zealandia” are a threat, as Spoonley implies, we don’t have much to worry about. I read that article in the Herald; the whole thing was an exercise in making something out of nothing and treating legitimate concerns over immigration and cultural identity as inherently evil and dangerous. Of course that’s only if European Kiwis express them, the Maori sovereignty movement can go of it’s collective nut and Marama is free to dog-whistle about “colonists” without criticism.
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:06am
      - Batman
        
        Apples and oranges.
        
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        March 12, 2020 10:25am
    - MCos
      
      In NZ I recall three instances in recent times that could could be labeled terorism.
      The Trade Hall bomb that killed Ernie Abbott.
      The Rainbow Warrior bombing and the mosque shooting.
      There’s been plenty of hard core protests.
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:23am
      - Batman
        
        The Ethiopian woman who tried to hijack a small Air NZ plane too!
        
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        March 12, 2020 9:59am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        The Ururewa mob were on the path.. never forget them… they got away without proper exposure because of a very poorly drafted and enacted piece of legislation meant police evidence was ruled inadmissible..
        
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        March 12, 2020 7:33pm
    - Steve James
      
      I’ve met two Eskimos in New Zealand and there’s bugger-all of them that travel.
      And I’ve seen plenty of far left extreemists, usually out protesting things above their IQ.
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:50am
      - MCos
        
        I’ve got a nephew who’s a left wing extremist.
        Well he was.
        He’d go on and on about Marxist ideologue to anyone, whether they’d listen or not.
        These days he’s figured that while a few of his mates might hold the same views, most people would rather go fishing.
        There used to be a bloke who stood near the Wellington Cenotaph each lunchtime waving a bible for decades. Same sort of addiction.
        
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        March 12, 2020 11:53am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s the left which are the real doozy.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:55am
    - SB 2
      
      Cindy a Terrorist?
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:49am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        A logical one, maybe?
        
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        March 12, 2020 11:26am
  - Nermal
    
    According to the ‘far left’ I’m ‘far right’. I sometimes get excited about things but hardly an extremist though.
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:59am
    - Raphael
      
      According to the far Left anyone to the right of Lenin is dangerously Far Right, and they have their suspicions about him.
      
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      March 12, 2020 2:56pm
  - G152
    
    Ultra right ??????
    Its the lefts descriptive phrase for any-one who doesn’t buy into their version of events
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:33am
  - igm
    
    Plenty of left-wing extremists, starting with our unelected PM.
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:45am
    - MCos
      
      You’ve never heard what a real left wing extremist thinks of Ardern.
      
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      March 12, 2020 12:49pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Agreed, the threat posed by far-right extremists among us is certainly no lower than it was 12 months ago.
  
  It’s hard to go much below 0.000001% and you have much better odds of winning the $50 m PowerBall than being harmed by far-right extremists in NZ. After all, two people beat those odds.
  
  Tarrant was anything but a far-right extremist and he wasn’t even from this country, for goodness sake. If the CoL hadn’t just made it easier for him to get his firearm licence he may even have been picked up earlier by the police – though my faith in their abilities is rapidly diminishing.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:50am
  - tf78
    
    He who shall not be named isn’t a FRE, he is a fruit loop – but that doesn’t sound so exciting.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:55am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Labour’s and the Green’s Overton window has shifted to the extreme left – for instance the PM is a former IUSY president and none of them batted an eyelid!
    
    Now that Labour and Green are extreme left and no longer moderate, they consider anyone who is moderate, let alone anyone with some conservative economic or social views ‘far right’ (e.g. a business owner or someone against abortion).
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:37pm
- Fletch
  
  Spoonley had an article on the same published by The Guardian the other day. Saw it was by him and didn’t even bother to click on it.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:33am
  - SB 2
    
    Fletch, the closing of the Kiwi mind!
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:27am
    - Swifty
      
      At least he’s got one.
      
      Figured out what MEMRI do yet?
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:38am
- Rich Prick
  
  I had no idea eco-fascists were “far right”, but I’d it feeds your delusions, so be it.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s the way the left are trying to shape the narrative. They don’t like some of the extremists that have arisen and follow their climate alarmism….so now folks like high priestess Naomi Klein are disavowing them.
    
    The manifestos posted online by the alleged gunmen in massacres from Christchurch, New Zealand, and El Paso, Texas, explicitly cited climate change as a motivation for murdering immigrants and minorities.
    
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/naomi-klein-climate-green-new-deal_n_5e0f66e4e4b0b2520d20b7a5
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:16am
    - SB 2
      
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      MW, you appear to miss this,
      
      “..In Germany, the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany party’s Berlin youth wing urged its leaders to abandon climate denialism. The manifestos posted online by the alleged gunmen in massacres from Christchurch, New Zealand, and El Paso, Texas, explicitly cited climate change as a motivation for murdering immigrants and minorities..”
      
      A bit out of context there ?
      
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      March 12, 2020 10:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I missed nothing SB2.
        
        I quoted the bit that refers to NZ and which I considered relevant to the point I was making.
        
        But
        I posted a link (as I always do) to the entire article, so people can read the whole damn thing and make up their own minds.
        
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        March 12, 2020 10:57am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        climate denialism is only referred to by those who have no understanding of basic science and who prefer their own puffed up balloons of fakery instead. Real scientists seek truth, activists seek self glory.
        
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        March 12, 2020 11:31am
      - Ruawai
        
        I see some climate nutters are taking TCDC to court for not invoking their climate rules into the council.
        
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        March 12, 2020 1:28pm
- Than
  
  The phrase “far-right extremists” annoys me. It’s use is far too widespread and entrenched to stop, but (at least in an NZ context) it’s a complete misnomer.
  
  These individuals are not particularly concerned about traditional right-wing issues. Things like tax rates vs social spending, size and role of government, etc. don’t necessarily matter to them. Their main concern is “race” and immigration.
  
  Thankfully these kind of radical nationalist views don’t have a great deal of influence in NZ politics. And to the extent they do it’s largely centered around NZF, which is definitely not a right-wing party.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Thankfully these kind of radical nationalist views don’t have a great deal of influence in NZ politics”
    
    tugger jones ………
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Far-right a euphemism usually for far-wrong. Misused and now meaningless.
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:33am
    - Harriet
      
      Yep —- Andrew Little is a DAF {dumb as f….} on hate speech.
      
      The German government have been moving for a while now to disentangle ‘right wing’ matters. They said it is due to the fact that some things on the right are very reasonable claims to make but have been conflated with ‘neo Nazism’ by those opposed to them. They said if they don’t do it then it will only make economic matters in Germany far worse in the foreseeable future.
      
      The same article said that most white people are made out to be racist but most white people are now actually ‘raceophiles’ – people who enjoy trying foreign food, listening to foreign music and tv etc, talking and working with foreign people, and all of it being in their own countries, and visiting foreign places.
      
      It said that whites are now the LEAST racist people on earth —- and that is also why we are swamped with immigrants who aren’t white!
      
      And no group of whites tried to emigrate to Nazi Germany in the ’30s —- and wouldn’t do it now either if the opportunity came up again!
      
      Andrew Little is full of it!! 😎
      
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      March 12, 2020 2:14pm
Happychappy

Fire Arms Licences were among personal details breached in Tuia 250 security failure.
More lies and deceit from our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern over Tuia 250 digital security failure and the Goverment kept it secret do they could proceed to trumpet a fire arms register.
The opposition is accusing the Prime Minister of a cover up but Jacinda Ardern Minister for Culture and Heritage denies it was hiding anything from the public.
It has been revealed hundreds of personal documents were left online – free for the taking.
Newshub hasuncovered one of the ID the Government did not tell the public about – Gun Licenses. National MP Shane Reti told Newshub ” Jacinda Ardern knew the firearms lic6 had been stolen within 24 hours of the data breach but right now today they haven’t brought it into the public domain”.
But information obtained by Newshub under the Official Information Act shows firearm licenses were also breached which the Government conveniently neglected to mention.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/03/firearms-licences-were-among-personal-details-breached-in-tuia250-security-failure.html
The truth always catches up in the end but when is the main media of NZ going to grow some balls and condemn this Government for there ability to print the facts.
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March 12, 2020 8:29am
- Tony Stuart
  
  New Zealand’s most open and transparent government ever; pass me a Tui!
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Actually,
    not that open & transparent ….
    
    Some information has been withheld from this proactive release and, if requested, would be withheld under the Official Information Act 1982 (the OIA). Where this is the case, the relevant sections of the OIA that apply have been identified. Where information has been withheld, no public interest has been identified that would outweigh the reasons for withholding it.
    
    https://mch.govt.nz/privacy-breach-review
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:50am
- Scott
  
  This from Family First –
  “SHOCKING!
  
  An amendment to the abortion bill which ensures that if an abortion is unsuccessful and a child is born, that child will receive the same medical care and treatment as any other child born (Born Alive rule) was voted DOWN 37-80.
  Those 80 MPs truly are disgrace to humanity.”
  
  It does make you think. Apparently it is now acceptable to abort a baby right up until birth. And if the baby is born it is still in danger and can be killed.
  Once abortion up until birth is ok then the logical next step is infanticide. Remember abortion is now out of the crimes act so there will be no penalty for infanticide.
  
  We are returning to pre Christian Roman paganism where the father had to accept the new born child into the family. If he did not it could be left outside to die.
  
  We believe that life is sacred, we are created in the image of God as the Bible says. Genesis 1:27 (NIV 1984)
  27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
  
  Without that we have no protection for the unborn child or the newly born child either. We need to rediscover the word of God for without it we are reverting to barbarism.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m not sure the god/bible bit enhances your argument.
    
    Didn’t Abraham prepare to sacrifice his child Isaac? The fact that he didn’t is irrelevant as he was prepared to.
    
    Moral outrage should be enough without resorting to fanciful literature.
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:49am
    - Scott
      
      Tall man – without God and the Bible its all just opinions. Your opinion,my opinion, the prime ministers opinion. That’s all there is.
      Only God can provide us revelation that transcends our opinions. Only the Bible provides us with a source of authority that is greater than opinions.
      This is life and death stuff. Does the unborn child have any rights whatsoever? Man’s opinion right now, as judged by our NZ parliament, is no. God’s word says, yes.
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:29am
      - Batman
        
        Scott I respect your clearly deeply held belief but there is absolutely no way that it can be imposed upon everyone else.
        
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        March 12, 2020 9:57am
      - Swifty
        
        Honestly Scott, your arguments are much stronger when you leave out the Bible stuff.
        
        To keep banging on that you have this collection of stories and fables written by bronze-age shepherds in the Middle East and which have the answers to all of humanities problems makes you seem a little unhinged actually.
        
        Your point about infanticide is well made. Why spoil it?
        
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        March 12, 2020 10:50am
      - rangitoto
        
        Moslems and Hindus say the same about their gods and holy books. All the various religions can’t all be right but they can all be wrong.
        
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        March 12, 2020 11:23am
    - Fletch
      
      Abraham’s preparing to sacrifice his son was a test by God and was a foreshadowing of God sacrificing his very own son Jesus in the most horrendous way possible, taking upon himself the punishments due to us so that we wouldn’t have to suffer them.
      
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      March 12, 2020 9:38am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        What a trickster that god was, eh? What a shallow, insecure god you’d have to be, to make someone kill their own child as a “test” of obedience.
        
        “Yes, you definitely have to kill him!”
        
        “Really?”
        
        “Oh yes, yes indeed”
        
        “Well, alright then….”
        
        “Nah, just jokes!”
        
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        March 12, 2020 10:12am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Which ‘God’, Scott? As Rangitoto says: lots of choices. Can’t all be right.
      
      Furthermore, why do I have to keep reminding religious extremists of this obvious fact: nobody can force themselves to believe something.
      
      Even if I wanted to believe in christianity (several versions of it to choose from), I simply *can’t believe it*.
      
      You’re quite lucky to have a strong faith – must be very comforting in difficult times. But don’t be smug about it: other people can’t simply make themselves believe what you do.
      
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      March 12, 2020 1:47pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      Tall man
      I normally agree with you but you are out of context.
      
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      March 12, 2020 5:34pm
      - Tall Man
        
        A bit deep for you Michael?
        
        Those that push religion as a reason to be against abortion as it is “killing” a child overlook Abraham’s willingness to do a similar act so which part of the killing is against the will of god?
        
        I always believe that there are many reasons for an action and those on the outside often haven’t got a clue.
        
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        March 12, 2020 7:39pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I don’t quite understand this and I hope you can explain it for me. Are you saying that babies born alive after an unsuccessful abortion are somehow in a different category of person, and that they would specifically be excluded from the same medical care and treatment as other babies?
    
    I don’t read that interpretation into it at all, and from my research the amendment is redundant i.e. you don’t have to stipulate that they receive care and treatment, because by default and under the common law, they will anyway.
    
    I also think it’s a huge leap to suggest that removing abortion (of unborn foetuses) from the Crimes Act means that infanticide is now legal, or at least has no penalty attached to it. That’s completely wrong.
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:02am
    - Scott
      
      My understanding is that in America a baby who survives abortion will often be killed. A bowl of water is the usual method I believe. Governor Ralph Northam made this explicit. The doctor and the mother would have a conversation (about the fate of the baby).
      
      Look this is about a dead baby. Abortion extremists will settle for nothing less than a dead baby. That’s the level of barbarism we are dealing with.
      
      And that’s definitely a spiritual thing. The deliberate killing of unborn children is supernaturally evil.
      
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      March 12, 2020 12:26pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        New Election Slogan: Jacinda, the Baby Killer.
        
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        March 12, 2020 1:45pm
  - kevn
    
    @Scott… You would have to be a tough nut to let a flawed birth date abortion baby survivor die.
    Just put the Hippocratic Oath on standby…
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Correct procedures were not followed when The Min for Culture & Heritage awarded the Tuia 250 contract.
  
  https://mch.govt.nz/sites/default/files/projects/MCH_Data_Breach_Final_Report_Dec_2019.PDF
  
  Jacinda Ardern once gain tries to distance herself from something that is ultimately under her watch.
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yes Maggy but if you look carefully you can clearly see she has a very small watch and relies on the acumen and honesty of “what’s in it for wynston” to keep her up to date … and the telly!
    
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    March 12, 2020 8:51am
- Michael NZ
  
  Happy it’s not about “growing balls’.
  The media are complicit because they are corrupt.
  
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  March 12, 2020 5:32pm
Maggie Pie

Just listened to Russel Brandt being interviewed on ZB – what a crashing BORE!
No way would i bother going to any of his live shows these days.
I say bring back the ‘old Russel’ 😛
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March 12, 2020 8:32am
- MCos
  
  Russell Brand is a bit of a one trick pony.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:25am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Without an actual trick
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep Maggie, I started listening to this in the car and missed the start so I didn’t know who it was rambling on about his boring life views.
  Turned it off and listened to my hits of the 60’s.
  Was astonished to learn a bit later that it was Russell Brand.
  What’s happened to him?
  Drugs finally caught up with him but in a weird way.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:49am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, you and I are agreeing way too often!
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:17am
- Classic Liberal
  
  He did not sound intelligent, just annoyingly self-congratulatory.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:50pm
Albert_Ross

Forest and Bird turned up in my in-box asking me to sign a petition asking the Government to do more to protect New Zealand’s biodiversity. I responded by asking them what they thought about the Government’s ban on research into genetic engineering as a means of controlling introduced predator populations.

Their response? To the best of one person’s knowledge – ie, they didn’t appear to have made any enquiries or done any searching – Forest and Bird don’t have a policy position on that.

Yes, perhaps I should have known better than to have expected anything else. But I still found that terribly disappointing. Isn’t there anybody there who thinks the organisation should be developing an economically-literate, scientifically-informed and politics-regardless view on all matters that have a bearing on New Zealand’s environment?

Perhaps I should instead have asked what they thought of the National Party’s opposition to research into genetic engineering as a potential approach to pest control. Bet that would have prompted a furious and passionate denunciation.
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March 12, 2020 8:33am
Ruawai

The Government of NZ needs to take more extreme measures regarding Covid-19. It may be costly now but will save money and lives in the long run. Close flights in and out of the country, allow NZers to return over a period of a week and self isolate. Close all large gatherings, concerts, movies etc. WHO say the countries with low infections currently need to do everything they can to prevent the spread. This quote is from the WHO website “Mitigation involves community-level steps like social distancing and comes into play when the virus is spreading more broadly and transmission chains can’t be tracked. They dismissed questions that such efforts are too costly or resource-intensive, given what countries could face if they do not slow the spread of the disease.”
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March 12, 2020 8:37am
- Southern Bear
  
  The Ardern govt seems to want to enable the spread. Failure to cancel Pasifika festival and the memorial (both of which PM is attending) puts photo oops ahead of national interest in preventing spread amongst South Aucklanders. Seems nuts to me.
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:01am
  - Nickc2
    
    You are so right S Bear. I think it was Abe Lincoln who once said that if a Politician could not make capital out of a tragedy, they did not deserve to be in politics.
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep. Tilt the head, put on a sad concerned face, and spout socialist bullshit – all in front of the cameras
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:37am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Cinders is fucking useless. Once we get out of the disaster that will occur, I hope she is punished comprehensively at the poles.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:43pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Polls. Idiot.
    
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    March 12, 2020 2:35pm
igm

Yet another council out of control. Ratepayers should not be funding anything to do with accommodation, especially when they have vile stench emitting from their sewage plant, which is surely as bad as the virus.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/120193043/rental-housing-proposal-considered-for-whakarongo
Along with wasting money on cycle lanes and megabucks on useless bridges that serve no purpose to anyone but a few fitness freaks, this highlights the plight of already overburdened ratepayers.
Maybe a poll tax is the only fair way to go.
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March 12, 2020 8:48am
Tasman Terror

As the leader of the Labour Pardy Jacinda has improved prunciation. On her occasional visits to Owtayaroa New Zeald she needs to safeguard herself from Corona vidus. Just like the children in povvidy.
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March 12, 2020 9:00am
- Nickc2
  
  She has deliberately adopted her accent to suit her target audience – Kindy Kids!
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:08am
- Ruawai
  
  You are jepradising Jacinta with your comments!
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:33pm
Andrew Worth

Is my understanding correct that New Zealand has travel restrictions in place on China but not on Italy? even though there are 11 active cases/million people in China but 174 active cases/million people in Italy?
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March 12, 2020 9:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  People from Italy are banned, but if they travel to and arrive in New Zealand they must go into self isolation for 14 days.
  
  So, we have a Clayton’s ban, because Jacinda thought Australia was being draconian for having an outright ban on people coming from Italy.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:26am
  - sooty
    
    But it’s ok to infect all the airport workers and everyone in the Corona tubes they travel in!
    
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    March 12, 2020 10:59am
- MCos
  
  People arriving from from Italy must self isolate for 14 days. You can’t stop NZers returning home and there are less than 1100 Italian visitors coming here per month.
  (Italians aren’t in the top 30 of visitors to NZ)
  If you were visiting for a week’s holiday I’d be inclined to think you’d cancel.
  
  A lot depends on how civic minded those who are meant to self isolate actually are, doesn’t it?
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Fucking insane. MANDATORY QUARANTINE FOR ARRIVALS!!
    
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    March 12, 2020 12:45pm
- igm
  
  Don’t think Ardern has the abilidy to understand simple equations such as this.
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:57am
  - sooty
    
    NO!
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:01am
- Southern Bear
  
  There is no ban. Just a “please promise to self isolate”.
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:03am
  - sooty
    
    Yer, right!
    
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    March 12, 2020 11:00am
    - Ruawai
      
      If you have arrived for a 2 week holiday you are hardly likely to just stay in your hotel room.
      
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      March 12, 2020 1:34pm
      - sooty
        
        They are free, dontcha know!
        
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        March 12, 2020 2:03pm
- NoCash
  
  We need travel restrictions on all of Europe, as Spain, France, Germany are on their way to become the next Italy.
  
  Also the US too… I do wonder which country in the West will pull the trigger on the US first.
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:04am
Aunty

I’m glad to see that the WHO has finally declared COVID-19 a pandemic. They should have done it three weeks ago. Why the delay is beyond me!

But I did read reports some days ago that China was pledging to make a very large donation to the WHO so I am assuming the delay had something to do with not upsetting China so they could all get their hands on some Chinese money.
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March 12, 2020 9:37am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The reach and influence of the CCP is impossible to overstate. I watched the UFC broadcast on Sunday, with a female Chinese fighter winning the co-main event.
  
  In her post-fight interview, seconds after the verdict was announced, the first thing she said (through an interpreter) was that Coronavirus was under control in China and everything was just peachy-keen there now.
  
  This is a professional athlete at the top of her game, winning millions, and the very first thing she says is the state’s message she’s been told to deliver.
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:17am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Go on the China Uncensored you tube and watch Chris Chappell describe the relationship between WHO and the PRC
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:21am
Notsofast

SCCRC on Megrahi and Lockerbie

https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/8f56052e/files/uploaded/11%20March%202020%20-%20SCCRC%20News%20Release%20-%20Application%20on%20behalf%20of%20Mr%20Abdelbaset%20Ali%20Mohmed%20Al%20Megrahi_dgMrLN20RqqEoEwzK4eV.pdf

Another commonwealth case rotten to the core is partially addressed here.
Amy Adams and Simon Bridges vehemently oppose this type of judicial remedy, nasty people.
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March 12, 2020 9:54am
- Tall Man
  
  Nasty enough to kill their kids with an axe? Now that would be really nasty wouldn’t it?
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:31am
NoCash

P&O is offering an 8 night cruise to Fiji for only $500 pp.

I think they are under selling it, I’m sure it will be a 22 night cruise.
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March 12, 2020 9:58am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Airlines in Asia are offering flights at $0 as they are having to fly to keep slots.
  
  Wonder how long before some of the cruise companies start toppling
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:19am
Clyde

I see yet another two rugby league players can’t keep their cocks in their pants when they decide to pursue a couple of Ozzie schoolgirls. I think that the basic requirements of rugby league – being able to run repeatedly into immovable objects and have few working brain cells means that there will be further examples of this behaviour in the near future.
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March 12, 2020 10:11am
- Misha Beattie
  
  I’m sure it has been happening forever. These two just got caught.
  
  It is difficult to to prohibit legal sexual behavior. They can be banned from bringing back girls to the team hotel. But I don’t see how you can downright ban rugby league players from having sex with young women, some of whom will brag about it on social media.
  
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  March 12, 2020 10:52am
  - oldfella
    
    But is as bad as a footie player suggesting that sinners (including homosexuals) might go to hell? These players are simply bringing the game into disrepute. Israel Filau was doing something really, really, really … evil. /sarc
    
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    March 12, 2020 12:21pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, get a grip people, it’s just part of the game. They are not going to be punished for what they did, but they will be punished for getting caught.
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:13pm
- BeaB
  
  So we can’t even have consensual sex these days?
  Spare me.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:20pm
fightingtemeraire

Friend in Malta is reporting that they are almost in LOCKDOWN
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March 12, 2020 10:18am
Yvette

Italy: 200 die in 24 hours
close to 4 times the death toll of the Christchurch mosques attacks
nearly 7 times Pike River

Mosques Attacks Commemoration –
Who is not aware it happened, and who is not aware it is a few days from being a year ago. Who needs Ardern’s cultural cross-dressing or a Maori led ceremony to remember an Islamic tragedy, which many Muslims (like the Otago Association) have said they will neither support or attend, and that was before any recommendation to avoid large public assemblies.
Does that not turn a somewhat bad idea into a completely insane idea? And if the event spreads the virus to eventually render New Zealand statistics like Italy, who takes responsibility, or will they just hold a commemorative service in a year’s time to mark the Day of the Great Infection?
Just saying …
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March 12, 2020 10:42am
- SB 2
  
  Yvette, a formal commeration is under review in ligh of the Covid 19 pandemic.
  
  There are many different ways to commerate other than a gathering of dignitaries and unswashed masses like you and me.
  
  A simple laying of flowers at both Mosques or Mosques through out the country.
  
  A minutes silence observeed by the media ( including KB) and all posters here and elsewhere.
  
  Flags flying at half mast.
  
  A last post bugle call by our armed services. at various suitable locations.
  
  The possibilities are endless.
  
  We will remember them.
  
  Lest we forget!
  
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  March 12, 2020 11:31am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hey twat, Last posts are for the military. As is “We will remember them”, and “Lest we forget”. However, the best thing that we could forget is that you exist.
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:35pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have relatives in Italy, one of whom is a doctor. If what is happening in Italy occurs here, we are well and truly fucked. We should start curtailing all public gatherings, sports events, non essential travel etc before the virus starts its inevitable rise. But Cindy knows best, because the Christchurch thing will get votes.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:39pm
SB 2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Another example of world leadership in the making ,

As stocks dive and coronavirus spreads, Trump compares COVID-19 to common flu

Trump blames news media and Democrats for inflaming the novel coronavirus crisis

Stock market plunges more than 2,000 points Monday morning

Democrats propose sweeping list of stimulus measures, including paid sick leave

At least five GOP members of Congress self-quarantine after CPAC attendee they interacted with tests positive for coronavirus

Azar appears to walk back Trump’s comments at CDC that ‘anyone who wants a test can get a test” and that they are ‘perfect’

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stocks-dive-coronavirus-spreads-trump-repeats-risk-covid/story?id=69482971

Cindy you are A Ok !
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March 12, 2020 10:45am
- cmm
  
  She hates to be called Cindy.
  
  As a fan you should know better.
  
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  March 12, 2020 11:44am
- Jack5
  
  Duty Stephie: Still struggling with the local English idiom?
  
  “You are A Ok”. Should that be “you are an ok”? ?
  
  PS: What is an ok?
  
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  March 12, 2020 5:40pm
TWEEDSE

So Jacinda says its OK to go ahead with her Christchurch memorial and Pacifica encouraging large groups to gather. Assumedly so she can hug and gather votes.

So what happens when her greed for attention and virtue signaling causes an outbreak of Covid19?

How will she weasel out of that one?
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March 12, 2020 10:56am
- tf78
  
  She’ll be in self isolation until she feels it’s safe to come out.
  
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  March 12, 2020 11:46am
- rightoverlabour
  
  If that happens, it will be the end of the stupid bint.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:31pm
- Paulus
  
  But Christchurch gathering is now in a closed school hall – lots of close contact with sneezers and coughers.
  Daft !
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:31pm
- Michael NZ
  
  and if all the people get Wuhan flu, only a small % will die, so what!
  Is probably the convo at coffee time in the beehive.
  
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  March 12, 2020 5:43pm
curry4me

https://dcwhispers.com/breaking-joe-bidens-brother-facing-possible-fraud-charges/
This could put another crimp in VP Bidens’ campaign, along with the gaffes.
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March 12, 2020 11:00am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/08/reports-turkish-police-use-drones-to-organise-tear-gas-attacks-on-greek-border-guards/

I don’t think there will really be a war between the Fourth Reich and Turkey.
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March 12, 2020 11:01am
Maggie Pie

For those that may have not accessed it previously, the ‘Digital New Zealand’ site is a fab resource for anyone wanting to research a bit of history.
While i couldn’t find anything interesting there after entering my partners or his mothers names, when i entered the name of my Great Grandfather, there were a number of newspaper articles from the Evening Post [1933 – 38], showing he had been arrested 3 times for ‘BOOKMAKING’.
The first two convictions resulted in fines totaling 234 pounds, the last conviction….
1 month in jail. He then saw action overseas from 1939 – 45 in Europe.
I have inherited all his war medals which i treasure.
LOL!!

https://digitalnz.org
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March 12, 2020 11:01am
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Thanks for the link.
  
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  March 12, 2020 12:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP! It’s a really fab site, eh 😀
    
    [Do they have something similar for India?]
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:43pm
    - curry4me
      
      Maggie Pie: Ha ha. Took me two reads to get the joke. Very droll.
      
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      March 12, 2020 7:31pm
Misha Beattie

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/120177368/air-new-zealand-concerned-about-auckland-airports-commercial-focus-and-loss-of-aeronautical-competency-in-management

While being wary of regulation, I think there is a presenting case for regulating both pricing and core service provision by airports, especially assets as crucial as Auckland Airport. Modern airports have been described as ‘shopping malls with planes’. You could add in car parks too. However their only core function is to provide world class aeronautical services, and especially a runway that does not break up.
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March 12, 2020 11:47am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree Misha. Auckland International Airport is nothing by an Auckland Council Cash Cow!
  Just imagine, they (the Labour Party) want to turn Whenuapai into a combined Military/Civil airport which will no doubt become a Civil only Airport in no time flat. The RNZAF component will be pissed off to Ohakea and Auckland Council will grab Whenuapai for itself. Another Cash Cow in the making.
  Additional Roads and Light Rail service etc will also be required at Auckland ratepayer’s expense.
  
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  March 12, 2020 12:27pm
RightNow

One of the government departments I work for has sent a lovely email to staff recommending we attend a half day workshop dealing with the coronavirus.
I hope all senior leadership attend.
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March 12, 2020 12:21pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  What to tell them to wash their hands? If you don’t know what to do about keeping safe from the virus now, you deserve to effing get it.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:29pm
Tempist

Interesting piece on RNZ last night about the aftermath of last year’s mosque attack which was essentially, cutting through the emotion, a request to bring families of the victims into the country to support them and btw they’ll all need larger houses to be provided for them as a result….

The other angle from our independent state radio station was the ongoing hagiography of the PM. It included an interesting comment at some point about her priority being to ensure everyone felt safe in good ol’ NZ… got me thinking about whether an interesting exercise might be to collect the soundbites of her talking about what her priority issue as PM was, for starters I can think:

1. Ending child poverty
2. Ending homelessness
3. Addressing climate change…

Easy to say something’s a priority, much more challenging to actually do anything about it…
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March 12, 2020 12:22pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Never mind all the corona they’ll be bringing in. Close the borders – NOW
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:28pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve just been vacuuming around my partners Mancave.
While I’ve been flat out buying up toilet paper and hand sanisiter, i see he’s been busy stockpiling .223
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March 12, 2020 12:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  Careful Maggie, keep your head down.
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:32pm
- RightNow
  
  You vacuum his mancave? I bet he hates it.
  I don’t even like my wife clearing beer bottles out of mine. Let us wallow in our own filth women!
  
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  March 12, 2020 5:43pm
oldfella

Wow… this is seriously brave musical theatre…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/stage-and-theatre/120210437/the-book-of-mormon-is-offensive-sure-but-its-got-a-point-to-make
I’ve heard rumours the same writers are working on ‘The Koran – The Musical’. Full of pedophilia Prophets, child brides, suicide bombers, dancing Virgins, and beheading of infidels. Can’t wait to see it.
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March 12, 2020 12:33pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the fantastic new passenger train between Hamilton and Auckland (Papakura?) is going to take 2 hours 20 minutes.
About 20 years ago we went on the TGV from Lyon to Paris. The distance is about equivalent to Auckland to Palmerston North. It took 1 hour 55 minutes.
Who are we trying to kid? Who will bother with it? Much quicker to drive.
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March 12, 2020 12:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Will the service get even 10000 passengers in the whole time it is run (cancellation inevitable)? from memory something like $80million to set up. Greens; forever pissing money away on white elephants
  
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  March 12, 2020 12:41pm
- cmm
  
  “Much quicker to drive.”
  
  Wait until they replace the N1 with cycle ways and bus lanes then it will be quicker to walk than drive.
  
  But, yes, over 2 hours for 100km is not much to crow about. There are trains in Africa that do at least 3x that speed (35 minutes for 80km).
  
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  March 12, 2020 12:46pm
- kris
  
  Not to mention $36 return to Britomart (or $24 return to Papakura). Thats not much cheaper than the cost of petrol for driving the same distance (in a moderately efficient car).
  
  Also, isn’t this the service that cost $92M of taxpayers money to establish (not even considering the ongoing running costs/subsidies)?
  
  It will be interesting to OIA the passenger numbers a few months into it….
  
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  March 12, 2020 12:58pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  This is a sick joke.
  Fifty two years ago, when I was studying in Auckland, I occasionally took the railcar home to Matamata on a Friday night. It left Auckland at 5.50 p.m. and was scheduled to get to Matamata at 9.18 p.m. My brain is scrambled with useless information like that, but I remember because I had time for a couple of beers at the Matamata pub after the ride.
  Note that after travelling for 2 hours 20 minutes to get to Papakura one would then need to get a 50 minute train ride into Britomart. And that is travelling from Hamilton!
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:24pm
  - kris
    
    Its 88 mins from Hamilton to Papakura, then 50 mins (scheduled) from Papakura to Britomart, plus up to about 5 mins time waiting for the next train at Papakura.
    
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    March 12, 2020 1:49pm
- mandk
  
  Journeys from Hamilton to central Auckland will take longer than 2 hours 20 minutes.
  
  Very few people, if any, will want to travel from Frankton Station to Britomart. They will want to travel from home (e.g. Hamilton East) to the office (e.g. in The Viaduct). Travel from home to the station and from the station to the office will add 30 minutes to the journey.
  
  And when you have got into your car to drive to the station, why bother with the train at all? It won’t be long before the Waikato Expressway is completed, making the road journey much better.
  
  Now, if they had decided to build a dedicated 200 kph train line from Hamilton to central Auckland, that might have been a different story.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:49pm
  - OTGO
    
    I’ve taken the fast train from NYC to Washington DC in what the Americans call “the quiet car”. No kids, no cell phones allowed. Bliss at 200 mph. I was speaking to the concierge at the hotel and he told me 3 airlines cancelled their flights between NYC and DCA because the transit time was quicker by train.
    Point being travellers will take the fastest route every time. Meanwhile in NZ NZTA are lowering speed limits on many roads…
    
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    March 12, 2020 3:19pm
- MCos
  
  The train will take 80min to travel between Hamilton and Papakura. The 2hr20min includes connections to Britomart.
  According to google it takes 1 hr35min at 1:43pm by car for the longer trip & 68min from Papakura.
  I’ve never driven into Auckland or Hamilton in the rush hours, but I’d expect the trip would be somewhat slower.
  BTW
  I was in Paris a few years ago and my sister popped down to Lyon for the day. Two hours each way. About $300.
  Hope the Hamilton tickets are cheaper than that!
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:03pm
SB 2

This RNZ programme provides a fascinating angle on the vital importance of preserving endangered languages and saving them from extinction .

Here an anthology of poems in a number of threatened languages provides a means of doing so.

Really worth a listen

Chris McCabe and Vaughan Rapatahana- preserving poetry in endangered languages,

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018724800/chris-mccabe-and-vaughan-rapatahana-preserving-poetry-in-endangered-languages
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March 12, 2020 12:58pm
- Harriet
  
  Latin and Hebrew of course but the rest are really a waste of time as they add nothing.
  
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  March 12, 2020 1:42pm
  - SB 2
    
    Harriet, those who speak them do e.g the minority and threatened tongue in Latvia, Livonian,
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_language
    
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    March 12, 2020 2:34pm
    - Jack5
      
      And in Stephiestani, I presume.
      
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      March 12, 2020 5:36pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  1. Yes, preserve it if you’re interested. Nice hobby for some people no doubt.
  2. No, don’t make me (taxpayers) pay for your hobby.
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:12pm
- cmm
  
  Preserving a language is inherently no more important than preserving other historic artifacts and traditions.
  
  The “value” in a language comes from being able to communicate in the language, and the time a language becomes valuable is when it can convey ideas that cannot be conveyed in other languages.
  
  For example, some languages have more tenses than others, some more prepositions and some have adjectives etc not found in other languages. There are things that are possible to say in English which are impossible to say in isiZulu (and vice versa). No doubt the same holds for Maori.
  
  Just learning “the cat sat on the mat” is absolutely pointless and saves nothing. Unfortunately that’s about the limit of most government interventions.
  
  No government programs will keep a language alive.
  
  Languages are only kept alive by people valuing them enough to use them. If Welsh can’t be bothered learning Welsh (or Maori leaning Maori) then the language is doomed along with other historic tat like sisal ropes and whalebone corsets.
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:37pm
  - SB 2
    
    Using a medium, such as poetry is hardly ” cat sat on the mat” stuff.
    
    There are a great many Welsh ( one million in fact) who bleive their native tongue is worthy of preserving. And a great many of Maori and others worldwide who feel the same.
    
    Sisal Ropes and Whalebone corsets are matters of fashion not cultural identity
    
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    March 12, 2020 2:44pm
    - cmm
      
      Is poetry a real Maori thing or is it just an affectation imported from other cultures? I’m picking only a teenie, tiny fraction of Maori speakers – even the fluent ones – will care a jot for Maori poetry that a handful of people seem to think is extremely important.
      
      There are heaps of people who believe their identity is “worth preserving” but are not prepared to put in the hard yards themselves.
      
      For example, I am of Celtic stock. I think Celtic history/culture is worth preserving, but I’m buggered if I’m going to learn a Celtic language, beyond a few handy swear words.
      
      The numbers you see tend to be inflated to justify government programmes. From what I can see, of the 30% or so of Welsh that claim to be able to speak Welsh, less than half can speak, read and write Welsh to the extent required to communicate effectively.
      
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      March 12, 2020 3:52pm
      - SB 2
        
        Nobody is making you do anything including learning and speaking Te Reo Maori.
        
        A great many Welsh feel it worthwhile to revive and speal a language important in shaping their identity. Similar to te reo ( or even say Afrikans) and not reducing the world to a bland utlilitatian unifomity of English or Mandarin.
        
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        March 12, 2020 4:11pm
Tauhei Notts

The punters are losing faith in Trump. His odds over the past 17 days have ballooned out from $1.69 to $2.02.
Sleepy Joe, who was paying $34 just 17 days ago has firmed onto a $2.28 second favourite. The markets are suggesting that Joe could beat The Donald.
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March 12, 2020 1:15pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Wuflu will be terminal for careers of many politicians. Trump especially.
  
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  March 12, 2020 4:15pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’ll wait for Styx’s take on that. So far he’s usually proven right.
  
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  March 12, 2020 4:53pm
  - curry4me
    
    Classic Liberal: And Dr Turley too. A bit triumphalist, but he knows his stuff.
    
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    March 12, 2020 7:36pm
KH

We have New Zealander military at Camp Taji. No reason at all to be there. This government should have pulled them out two years ago.
When it’s possibly bodies coming home in the future, will we see Cindy at the airport? Maybe not.
https://southfront.org/two-americans-british-personnel-killed-in-taji-rocket-attack-retaliatory-airstrikes-reported-in-eastern-syria-video/
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March 12, 2020 1:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Programme for the Auckland Writers Festival is out

http://www.writersfestival.co.nz/news/Page1/2020-programme-announced/

It runs 12-17 May

Guest writer #52 – 16 May
http://www.writersfestival.co.nz/programmes/event/no-friends-but-the-mountains-behrouz-boochani/1128205/
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March 12, 2020 1:48pm
- cmm
  
  Political prisoner on Manus Island??? Seriously over-egging the pudding.
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:20pm
- Michael NZ
  
  someone let DIA know…
  
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  March 12, 2020 5:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

USA to suspend all flights from Europe for next 30 days.

Action man – Donald Trump
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March 12, 2020 2:11pm
- Old White Loser
  
  Adren and Co are still trying to decide what to do. Meanwhile a Real Leader has acted!
  
  Time to do stuff not to fluff!
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:41pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Let’s ~~do this~~ fuck about while infection and inevitable resultant deaths grow exponentially.
    
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    March 12, 2020 4:19pm
- cmm
  
  I take it that really means passenger flights.
  
  Fedex etc, no worries.
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:44pm
- SB 2
  
  MW, Action man?
  
  About time!
  
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  March 12, 2020 2:45pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    About time!
    Rubbish..
    How many other countries have suspended flights with Europe?
    
    Isn’t it about time you gave up posting meaningless retorts to my posts, stephieboy?
    
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    March 12, 2020 3:12pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      It is his normal drive-by behaviour that Batman and the other Mods won’t deal too Maggy.
      
      Keep saving the links for later, I’ll testify on your behalf.
      
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      March 12, 2020 5:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Txs Michael.
        
        I recognise it as harassment. It’s part of a long-term campaign, I see.
        
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        March 12, 2020 6:19pm
  - pentwig
    
    I see you are still abusing the female commenters on KB steffie,
    You big brave bully you.
    
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    March 12, 2020 9:43pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The Democrats are outraged. SNAFU.
  
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  March 12, 2020 3:45pm
cmm

Life’s a box of chocolates…..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12316157
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March 12, 2020 2:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Caught the virus in Aussie , I see.
  
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  March 12, 2020 3:00pm
  - cmm
    
    “The couple have been in Australia for a few days and are now in isolation.”
    
    Depending on how many “a few” is, they could have brought it with them. You can pack a lot of those little COVID suckers in a Gulfstream.
    
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    March 12, 2020 3:35pm
- Jules99
  
  I heard a rumour that a female celeb in the US has it and is trying to cover it up. Maybe this announcement will bring out other reveals.
  
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  March 12, 2020 3:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

My ex-neighbour in trouble again

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114032045/maori-kings-son-sentenced-after-punching-partner
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March 12, 2020 2:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Honestly, it’s hard to know who’s worse.
  Paki, or that bloody Harry Windsor.
  
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  March 12, 2020 3:11pm
- cmm
  
  Bugger! The judge didn’t roll over this time, like they normally do for him.
  
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  March 12, 2020 3:31pm
- GoVege
  
  What an appalling example to other young Maori males.
  And we wonder why DV is the scourge the judge says it is in NZ.
  No comment from other Maori leaders…or the King himself?
  Just the usual deafening silence on the abuse of Maori women and children?
  
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  March 12, 2020 3:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The young man clearly has a drink problem..
    His first car crash was when he was a young teen…and was conveniently “forgotten” when he was up on charges in Gisborne for thieving.
    
    In 2011, Korotangi Paki was involved in a boyracer crash in the Waikato.
    
    Witnesses said the vehicle had wrapped itself around a pole and they had expected the occupants to have been killed.
    
    Police laid charges at the time, but it is unknown whether Mr Paki — who was 16 at the time — was ever convicted.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11287977
    
    He only has one kidney now – donated one to his father….. (I felt rather sorry for him at the time, as it’s not the sacrifice I would want from my children)..and should be encouraged to tone down his booze consumption.
    
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    March 12, 2020 4:43pm
  - Komata
    
    GV@1542
    
    And THAT is the problem: NO ‘Anti-violence’ statements from ANYONE in leadership in the Maori world!!
    
    It’s been this way for many years (‘cos after all, only ‘Maori’ know what’s good for Maori), and since ‘Silence’ is to condone, that really says a lot about Maori society doesn’t it?
    
    Yet the hands are always out for funds to ‘Combat Maori Domestic Violence’; just don’t ever ask for accountability or where the money went; you might just as well try to catch the wind…
    
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    March 12, 2020 5:53pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well, lets hope Kiri Allan comes out with that message now that her half-brother finally pleads guilty to murdering a mother of five.
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/half-brother-of-labour-mp-kiri-allan-pleads-guilty-to-murder.html
      
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      March 12, 2020 6:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Due to Coronavirus the US has cancelled the Nov 3rd Presidential Election. Trump will just automatically be the POTUS for another 4 years.
Blood crafty Republicans
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March 12, 2020 4:02pm
rightoverlabour

Not much about Global Warming with all this Corona Virus hysteria. Well warmth supposedly kills the virus, so Global Warming could be really useful. However, it’s not CO2, so stop bullying this poor, essential, misunderstood gas.

https://electroverse.net/29-bullet-points-proving-the-sun-causes-global-warming-not-co2/
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March 12, 2020 4:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bush fires stopped, just like that. This Covid-19 is so strong
  
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  March 12, 2020 4:44pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Dr Fauci, one of top disease experts in US testifying to congress:
“People ask, why would you want to make any mitigation? We don’t have any cases. That’s when you do it. Because we want this curve to be this, and it’s not going to do that unless we act now.”

to the govt of NZ: ARE YOU LISTENING YET?? Pull Your Fucking Finger Out!
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March 12, 2020 4:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  PTPM will get a working group on to it after the end of the financial year. She will – honest, she will
  
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  March 12, 2020 4:46pm
  - sooty
    
    Or straight after she’s elected again in Sept!
    
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    March 12, 2020 4:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is the other plan if the first one don’t work. Advice needed from Twitford about how this will be instigated.
      
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      March 12, 2020 5:12pm
- SB 2
  
  UN,
  
  No reason to press panic button
  
  Ministry of Health latest ,
  
  COVID-19 (novel coronavirus)
  
  Current situation
  
  New Zealand has five confirmed cases of COVID-19. See our latest media release for a summary of the current status.
  With continued vigilance the chance of widespread community outbreak is expected to remain low.
  People coming into New Zealand should check our information for travellers arriving to New Zealand as they may be subject to border controls or asked to self-isolate.
  We’re also asking people who have visited countries or areas of concern and who have developed symptoms of fever, cough or shortness of breath to seek medical advice – phone Healthline’s dedicated COVID-19 number 0800 358 5453 or contact your GP, including phoning ahead of your visit.
  For COVID-19 health advice and information, contact the Healthline team (for free) on 0800 358 5453 or +64 9 358 5453 for international SIMS.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus
  
  The US in in a far different position given its dominance in international travel and trade.
  
  To date, 1,311 confirmed cases and 36 deaths.
  
  NZ 5 confirmed cases
  
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  March 12, 2020 8:57pm
GoVege

Poor old Harvey goes down for two decades.
Nice to see one young woman sticking up for him…his lawyer.
Hope the victims are happy now.
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March 12, 2020 4:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lawyer is a paid off victim? Maybe, maybe not. She looks dodgy to me, but that is just me
  
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  March 12, 2020 5:14pm
  - GoVege
    
    As HW’s young attractive female lawyer said, he just got a harsher punishment than some men get for murder.
    Obviously he did wrong, but he has apologized and paid compensation.
    Meanwhile, south of the border, women struggle with actual “femicide”, where thousands of women are murdered yearly and the perps rarely get charged, let alone are punished.
    
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    March 12, 2020 6:43pm
- curry4me
  
  GoVege: Harvey Weinstein didn’t kill himself……. yet. -:)
  
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  March 12, 2020 7:47pm
Michael NZ

Iran needs regime change…

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/irans_mullahs_are_purposely_forcing_political_prisoners_into_coronavirusplagued_cells_rights_activists_charge.html
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March 12, 2020 5:57pm
rightoverlabour

I believe if you are going to kill, you should have a good hard look at what you are going to kill.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/6-female-utah-state-senators-walk-off-floor-to-protest-abortion-ultrasound-bill

Maybe this should be part of our genocide bill too?

Labour – Choosing Death for those with No Choice
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March 12, 2020 6:47pm
- SB 2
  
  The recent changes to the law had cross-party support including National members.
  
  I’m not sure how David Seymour voted.
  
  Fixed!
  
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  March 12, 2020 7:52pm
Swifty

I do hope this doesn’t escape NZers notice:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120236938/bill-passed-to-fund-disabled-election-candidates

The Greens, with Labour’s connivance, succeed once again in pillaging NZ’ers pockets to fund party political machinery.

Please make no mistake. This legislation is designed purely to pour more taxpayer money into the Green and Labour party coffers. By force of law. Just because they can.
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March 12, 2020 7:42pm
- SB 2
  
  So you think disabled candidates left, centre or right should not receive any funding whatsover?
  
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  March 12, 2020 7:58pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Should those suffering for TDS get extra funding?
  
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  March 12, 2020 9:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

3 stabbed to death in Melbourne…
1 serious in hospital

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/man-shot-dead-by-police-after-series-of-stabbing-attacks-in-melbourne-s-eastern-suburbs-20200312-p54987.html
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