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brett68

If your fridge or freezer or washing machine shits itself during the lockdown where can you get another one from?
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March 25, 2020 8:10am
- alwyn
  
  They will not break down! St Jacinda has forbidden any breakdowns from taking place.
  And please don’t tempt fate by even suggesting such a thing. We have a 700 litre freezer and it is almost completely full with summer produce and prepared meals and containers of soup.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I still half a freezer full of Crisco’s hampers.
    I haven’t seen the guy who laughed at me and said it was a waste of time and money.
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:33pm
  - rockape
    
    1x 200 Lt full of Beef Homekill.
    1x Same Lamb and pork
    1x Fruit and veg
    1x home made meals
    
    All home kill or home grown..
    
    7 KV generator just in case the power fails.
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:21pm
- cas
  
  Just went in to get something from our freezer. Stuff in there is a bit soft. I might not have shut it properly last night but if I did and it has broken down I am hoping that an electrician can come as an essential service.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:09pm
  - cas
    
    No it was the gas in the freezer according to the expert who said he was not an essential service and couldn’t come until April. So a mad dash into town for a new one which thankfully they could deliver. No choice whatsoever but it is better this happened today rather than tomorrow.
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:54pm
- MickeyD
  
  Well all liquor stores are closed EXCEPT the ones in a Licensing Trust area. So you may not need a fridge.
  
  ‘Some of us are more equal than others’
  
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  March 25, 2020 6:34pm
  - freethinker
    
    I dont understand why a licensing trust shop can legally and without risk open for customers but non trust shops cannot, anyone know why etc??
    
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    March 25, 2020 8:22pm
    - MickeyD
      
      Depends on who you ask?
      The truth is it is purely racist and favouring a single group of people.
      
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      March 26, 2020 9:46am
mikenmildagain

Happy New Zealand Army Day!
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March 25, 2020 8:12am
- RW Capitalist
  
  When they’re on the street, as the police commissioner said they may be, you can say that dirrecly to them.
  First time NZ has been a police state.
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:31pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I didn’t see any soldiers on the street today. Just jackbooted police going door-to-door arresting people who might criticise the government.
    
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    March 25, 2020 5:36pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Wait and observe…
      She repeated the threat today.
      
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      March 25, 2020 6:24pm
Than

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The Trump adminstration and many Republican’s response to the coronavirus pandemic doesn’t seem to have changed much over the last few weeks – ignore it and keep desperately hoping it will somehow just go away.

At least they have given up the “it’s only a flu”/”cases will be down to zero” denialism they started with. That became too blatantly contradicted by reality for even Orange Donny to claim with a straight face (which is probably a first).

But even after being slapped in the face by the real world, Trump has utterly failed to provide leadership or take useful action.

While Donny is providing nothing but his usual snake-oil and bullshit, thankfully others have stepped up to fill the leadership void. State governors, city officials, even businesses and individuals have all been doing their part to mitigate the harm this outbreak is causing. Even if they have do to it with no help from Donny.
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March 25, 2020 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  He’s a moron, already talking about it being time to get people back to work.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:28am
  - trout
    
    Quote:’President Trump’s approval numbers are as high as they’ve ever been throughout his presidency as he deals with the coronavirus outbreak, according to the latest Gallup poll.
    The poll shows 60 percent of Americans approve of the president’s handling of his actions to combat the virus. That includes 94 percent of Republicans and 60 percent of Independents, while just 27 percent of Democrats approve of the president’s handling of the outbreak’
    
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    March 25, 2020 11:41am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And in the wider opinion polls, his approval rating is edging up over 45%!
      
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      March 25, 2020 12:24pm
  - Than
    
    Yes. And it’s genuinely scary that for certain segments of the far-right stock market numbers are more important than human lives.
    
    But again thankfully, it’s out of Orange Donny’s hands. The adults in the room are the ones who get to make the decision.
    
    It’s not like Donny was the one who issued all the “stay-at-home” orders. He can talk about a return to normal by April all he likes; the state governors will tell him to shove it.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:02pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Although I’m not sure its constructive to refer to POTUS as “Orange Donny”, there is quite some merit in your argument about centralized vs. localized strength.
      
      Having lived in the US for ~13 years before I pitched up here, and in some of the most *independent* states of the Union (NV, HI) this is the real meaning of the Union and Statehood, as opposed to Country. State Governors are very powerful within their own territories.
      
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      March 25, 2020 3:27pm
  - Steve James
    
    Jealous, jealous,jealous. Maybe instead of hating on possibly the most successful man in US history, why don’t you try achieve something for yourself.
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, that’s a novel definition of ‘successful’.
      
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      March 25, 2020 2:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Should we say “like mikey”
        … I don’t think so.
        
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        March 25, 2020 3:12pm
  - Jaundiced
    
    No, just more fake news:
    Stuff Headline is: ‘Donald Trump wants US reopened by Easter, despite biggest jump in coronavirus deaths’
    
    But read further in the same article for what he really said: “If you ask the American people to choose between public health and the economy, then it’s no contest,” he said on Tuesday. “No American is going to say accelerate the economy at the cost of human life,”
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:20pm
    - Batman
      
      That is clearly despite him parroting Steve Hilton from Fox and declaring that the cure must not be worse than the disease, with no basis for that actually being the case.
      
      If nothing else, he can’t help but speak out of both sides of his mouth.
      
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      March 25, 2020 2:48pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Good on you for stating that!
      
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      March 25, 2020 2:53pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Just to jog your selective and faulty memory:
  Trump was accused of being racist for stopping flights from China. That makes every leader of every country racist for closing its borders, according to moronic leftists like you.
  Why the need to call Trump Orange Donny? Your name is interesting. Is it short for Dummer Than, or Stupider Than or even More Moronic Than?
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:52am
- Steve James
  
  Hey Than, you mean Donny as in the actual President of the United States? The billionaire? The very successful businessman? The guy who’s dated more Miss Universe contestants than anyone else on the planet? The man with the incredibly successful and attractive family? …….. That Donny?
  Do you measure up? I suspect not. Jealousy is not going to help your cause.
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:04pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Trump seems to be handling it quite similarly to NZ.
  
  1. Some denialism at first in *all countries*: NZ lockdown plan has been pretty sudden.
  
  2. Trump closed the borders when the seriousness became clear, despite the Left’s total resistance.
  
  3. Now there are ‘shelter-in-place guidelines’ in the US.
  
  4. We have lockdown for 4 weeks. People on this board are hoping that normality can return sooner if case numbers drop and we have a decent testing system and more ICU support. Trump is hoping people can return to work within 2 weeks. *Hoping*. If figures are too high after that, a longer lockdown will be issued. The only real difference is that our govt. has taken a cautious approach and Trump is taking a more optimistic one.
  
  5. Not tanking the economy while keeping vulnerable people safe and maintaining social distancing, hand washing, testing and tracing is exactly how NZ needs to proceed once we have brought the numbers to a manageable level. As described here: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
  
  Here one can read what Trump actually says:
  
  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/24/president_trump_coronavirus_town_hall_is_it_realistic_to_open_the_country_by_easter.html
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:20pm
  - Batman
    
    Reporter: “Why did you suggest Easter?”
    
    Trump: “I just thought it was a beautiful time.”
    
    Great scientific basis for decisions there. The orange idiot is in danger of being remembered as the President who failed in a pandemic.
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:46pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Jesus Batman, you just don’t get his humour at all do you.
      
      Seriously, who really cares what pops out his mouth?
      
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      March 25, 2020 3:04pm
      - Simon Gotlieb
        
        About 6.8 billion people who don’t live in the USA.
        
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        March 25, 2020 9:08pm
Im Right

Good morning fellow KB’s…
Interesting times ahead!
I’m lucky that I can work from home and keep busy but I do feel for the ones that cannot and have 4 weeks to fill in each day with something to make the days go quicker.
I predict a spike in new births in Jan/Feb next year, and a divorce rate spike? ? (Well baby prediction I believe in, tongue in cheek for the divorce prediction)
Living alone, as I do, I have an easier time than the poor buggers that have young kids to entertain for 4 bloody weeks…..to those who have more than 2 young kids, I wish you sanity and salute you all!
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March 25, 2020 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I wonder if ‘Covid’ will be a popular baby name.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:29am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Note:
  The announcements on the TV have removed the reference to 4 weeks.
  How long do you suppose the communist restrictions will be on?
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:30pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    What’s the bet that the Princess Frowny-face, the Poisonous Dwarf and CoL MPs don’t have to queue up for their groceries.
    
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    March 25, 2020 1:41pm
    - Simon Gotlieb
      
      Wow.
      
      And only about ten comments after someone pleads with us to please stop calling Donald Trump names.
      
      Honestly Kloyd0306, do you really think you make a valid contribution to this site? You’re like a pigeon playing chess. No matter what happens, you knock over all the pieces and crap all over the board.
      
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      March 25, 2020 9:11pm
Happychappy

Doctors give warning on Coronavirus blindspot in latest plan.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/coronavirus-doctors-warn-of-blind-spot-in-government-s-covid-19-response-plan.html
You would think that doctors would have more knowledge than Politicians.
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March 25, 2020 8:16am
- Tall Man
  
  My neighbour’s terrier has more knowledge than ardern and the numbnuts.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:40pm
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    And another one here who thinks making derogatory comments about other people passes for political comment.
    Honestly, I hope David and his team start giving you clowns a decent holiday so the rest of us can actually talk politics on here.
    Comments like yours are not adding to the conversation.
    
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    March 25, 2020 9:13pm
simpleton1

Professor Hugh Montgomery with the arithmetic of Chinese Coronavirus

The straight mathematical difference between flue and this virus, even though most will “just feel a bit poky, a bit cold like. …. ”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1241838854891622401
2 minutes 21 seconds… : 14 million views

Very simple & effective, no gobbley gook, not scaring, just the mathematical effects, to match to what resources, are available and so is quite helpful, why we are doing this lock-down.
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March 25, 2020 8:24am
Lee C

How many people feel that various interests have seen a perfect opportunity to hide their foibles and capitalise on their ambitions?
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March 25, 2020 8:25am
- SGA
  
  It looks to me like a NZ govt doing pretty much what the govts of most developed countries are doing in the face of a pandemic. But if you want to see it as a more sinister plot, go right ahead.
  
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  March 25, 2020 8:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s not what happens regarding the virus, it’s what gets tagged on.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:41pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Such as?
  
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  March 25, 2020 8:34am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    A fish and two scoops Cindy for starters.
    
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    March 25, 2020 8:45am
  - Lee C
    
    It’s a reasonably open question Frank, use your imagination.
    
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    March 25, 2020 9:05am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      I disagree. It is a rather ambiguous question. If you could just come out with what you’re thinking so the rest of us know what you are on about. Not trying to be funny.
      
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      March 25, 2020 9:15am
      - Lee C
        
        I don’t think you are trying to be funny Frank but I’m trying to respect the notion of ‘General Debate’ by genuinely showing interest in how people feel without attempting to load the question with my own bias.
        
        My track record here, I would suggest indicates I’m not shy of making my opinions known as a rule.
        
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        March 25, 2020 9:43am
      - curry4me
        
        Frank Thomas: The kind of powers/laws that governments give themselves in war time; and often ‘forget’ to rescind. Like income tax as a ‘temporary measure’ to pay for the Napoleonic wars.
        
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        March 25, 2020 5:17pm
  - emmess
    
    Such as this
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/24/labour-chairman-coronavirus-great-opportunity-advance-political-agenda/
    
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    March 25, 2020 9:13am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Read between the lines Frank
    
    Vague answers or no answers at all are a hallmark of this government.
    
    Such as?
    
    What is an essential service?
    
    The warehouse. Yes. No.
    
    Kiwibuild? Rate the success of Kiwibuild out of 10, feel free to use negative numbers to express your rating.
    
    This government announces whatever to fanfare head bobbling adulation and then steps back to wipe laboured brow but, there is no backroom, nothing put in place to make the announcement happen. Throw it out there and hope for the best has very rarely worked for anything in my experience.
    
    This is because they spent nine lonely years on the opposition benches turning up to eat their lunch not developing any policies as per Kiwibuild above as an example.
    
    01 April, thanks to the Greens having their begging bowl out ($3.00 ffs), I am picking an announcement of a general election with a six week lead time ‘to take us through this crisis’
    
    Incompetent Muppet’s, every man woman and any other stupid transitioning gender or race they choose to be
    
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    March 25, 2020 9:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    $25 pointless and unnecessary dollars added to primary voters , beneficiaries to you, but not to pensioners who are unlikely to be ardern voters.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:43pm
- Kabull
  
  Does this qualify?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/120169658/introducing-the-forever-project-lasting-meaningful-coverage-of-the-climate-challenge
  
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  March 25, 2020 8:51am
- Scott
  
  I agree Lee C. The government rushed through the abortion legislation even while the rest of New Zealand was worried about the virus. Andrew Little is working hard on hate speech legislation, while the rest of New Zealand is worried about the virus. There are two examples.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:27am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  You mean like hobbies?
  I know one fellow who is taking these next 4 weeks as an opportunity to return to building and repairing model airplanes.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:45am
  - Lee C
    
    That would work. I’m going to work on my music.
    
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    March 25, 2020 11:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nice.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:44pm
- Prince
  
  Certainly the push for a Universal Basic Income is opportunistic.
  Why on on earth should Ardern, Bridges etc get a UBI now ? And if they don’t then it’s not Universal.
  So it would need to be accompanied by massive tax changes, to claw a UBI back from those we don’t want it to benefit. Haven’t we got enough on right now ?
  
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  March 25, 2020 10:56am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Get a grip. UBI would be a huge step. Was never a Labour policy. No mainstream party endorsed the idea. The only party promoting this was TOP. Gareth wrote a book “The Big Kahuna” that went through the idea, what it would mean, what it would cost and how it would have to be funded.
    
    This is just a bit of gum-flapping. In these very different times there will be a bit of that from both sides of the issue.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:56pm
    - Prince
      
      Sure, it was ‘being considered’ by Andrew Little in 2016, and we know how easy it is for him to forget these little schemes.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11609094
      And Max Harris, who of course has strong links to Labour, is a fan.
      https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/4208/attachments/original/1461211267/Background_Paper_-_A_Universal_Basic_Income_for_New_Zealand.pdf?1461211267
      
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      March 25, 2020 1:28pm
Nutz

I’m all set for lock down. I’m going to sleep in, watch netflix, watch youtube, do the garden, read a book, do a jigsaw. not sure what I’ll do on day 2
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March 25, 2020 8:28am
- Tall Man
  
  Mow my lawn… No, not that, my 4 acres of grass lawn?
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:45pm
rightoverlabour

This will bring out the best in people, and the worst. The worst has already been witnessed with selfish panic buying and looting in the UK, and the flexing of separatist muscle in this country. The incompetence of many government ministers has been exposed ( Hipkins- you listening, and to a certain extent Jacinda with the flip flopping on what constitutes essential shops.) Hardware shops should be open. If this drags into winter people may need to get heaters, and supplies to fix things.
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March 25, 2020 8:30am
- artemisia
  
  Most people will know somebody with a big box hardware store trade account. Tradies will still have access. Box of beer on the front porch would help.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  Flip flopping, she didn’t have a clue, it wasn’t in the notes she’d been given.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:46pm
hullkiwi

MrsHK got tired of the morbid/bombastic Duncan Garner and RubyLips , so this morning switched to TVNZ One Breakfast.

No John Campbell and no Hayley Holt – its not news, but Hayden Jones Weather Forecast is something to behold – and PC broadcasting is out the window with Hayden…

Bit of a laugh given what is coming…..
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March 25, 2020 8:30am
- hilaryt
  
  Have always thought Hayden Jones was under-rated. Love his slot throwing a spotlight on good sorts.
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:16pm
Maggie Pie

With the 2020 Olympics in Japan now officially postponed till 2021, you really have to feel for the men and women athletes who have just reached peak condition, after having given their all in training. Still one of this country’s best hopes for a Women’s Gold, Laurel Hubbard, can be seen here competing at around the 2 min mark 😛

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmeK6vYYusw
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March 25, 2020 8:37am
- sooty
  
  Are you taking the piss, Maggie Pie!
  I think that one still has his wheels?
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:43pm
MCos

Interesting article about Dr Fauci and his constant tussle with President Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-fauci.html?referringSource=articleShare
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March 25, 2020 8:39am
- Fletch
  
  The media are trying to create a divide between Fauci and Trump, where Fauci says none exists.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:54am
  - Batman
    
    Aside from saying that he can’t jump up and take the mic away from Trump when he gets into another bout of saying untrue and dangerous things, yeah sure no split at all!
    
    Sources: New Scientist interview with Fauci and the NYT article about the WH/Trump getting fed up with Fauci issuing warnings.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “No upstaging President Man-baby!”
      
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      March 25, 2020 12:28pm
MT_Tinman

90.1% of KNOWN covid-19 cases have officially recovered.

4.5% of KNOWN cases have died.

80% of KNOWN cases had no or very minor symptoms.

How many UNKNOWN cases are out there, taking the overall percentages to miniscule proportions?

Is dictatorship by incompetent, unelected no-hopers a fair price to pay to fight this cold?
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March 25, 2020 8:40am
jacob

Welcome to carbon neutral – what could go wrong?

Also guess we don’t need that Hamilton train set anymore?
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March 25, 2020 8:46am
- Tall Man
  
  What is Twitty going to play with over his lock out, I mean lockdown.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:51pm
dave_c_

Having more time to see the TV in the background of my new existence, I can’t help but wonder – Why aren’t advertisements showing behaviours that under level 4 criteria (eg. vehicle adds with people in close proximity, and others like them) still being shown
Surely these are not supporting the mandates to stay indoors, and encourage the flouting of the rule.
They should be closed down and not permitted, in these times.
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March 25, 2020 8:47am
- greybeard
  
  I was thinking about advertising this morning: as many goods and services will not be available for the next month, will advertisers pull their ads and save money ?
  No point advertising things which cannot be bought.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’d be nice ?
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:53pm
  - Paulus
    
    But what about those Companies who advertise extensively and expensively say on TV – Will they get their money back as the adverts are useless as they cannot trade.
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:07pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Those ads are under contracts which cannot be got out of at short notice so the advertisers might as well suck it up and say that they’re building awareness for the day they can sell their goods again.
      
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      March 25, 2020 3:56pm
KevO'Brien

An astute analysis of the Italian deaths–medical spread:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/24/the-italian-connection/
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March 25, 2020 8:50am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Good information which will be part of the reason for NZ’s track and trace and shutting off rest homes from visitors. The Italian deaths are very elderly people with other illnesses who died with (not necessarily from) CV. Expect the Director-General of Health to speak on this or at least be asked questions as it is important information.
  Still prefer to have become aware of it with the tap turned off than with it wide open.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:15am
- cmm
  
  WattsUp always does a really good job of looking at the numbers and does a very solid job with stats.
  
  Please read this article if it is the only Covid19 article you read for the rest of the month.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:23am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Agreed cmm but the people don’t want the truth, they want only information that confirms their bias.
    
    KevO’Brien, I hit the wrong button and gave you a down-tick rather than an up-tick.
    
    Sorry ’bout that.
    
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    March 25, 2020 9:36am
  - cmm
    
    Kev: It looks like all the statistics experts are out in force downticking to correct us….
    
    I’m sure PriNZess has a full command of statistics better than WattsUp.
    
    I studied stats at university and I can vouch that WattsUp is streets ahead of me.
    
    Hah!
    
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    March 25, 2020 9:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      If WattsUp falls over, there is always Fiona on FB so, not a total loss
      
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      March 25, 2020 9:55am
    - Ed Snack
      
      This is also worth a look:
      
      https://twitter.com/saifedean/status/1242473164468355073
      
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      March 25, 2020 9:58am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There are very few number crunchers out there who can match Willis Eschenbach’s ability to get information out of available data.
      
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      March 25, 2020 10:56am
  - Boutique Avo Orchard
    
    Thanks for that its good to get some honest stats. Here is another excellent site that when you scroll through it has good up to date detail and breakdown. Strange about the numbers for DPRNK though – not!
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    
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    March 25, 2020 5:43pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Interesting read.
  It paralells the truism that more men die with prostate cancer than from prostate cancer.
  
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  March 25, 2020 10:21am
Stu2

The latest Gallup poll has come back with
60% approve of president’s response to COVID-19

Can anyone explain it? His administration has done too little, too late.

I would give him credit for closing the borders to Europe, gave other politicans backbone

Boris has looked way better than Trump
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March 25, 2020 8:58am
- All_on_Red
  
  Maybe those who think he’s done a good job have better information than you.
  He’s been praised by numerous Governors, including Cuomo and Newsome- staunch Democrats.
  And I’m not sure Boris has done a good job either.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:18am
lastmanstanding

A few days ago I posted that China should have to pay compensation to countries as a result og the Wuhan Flu.

I was scoffed at.

Well think about this.
China is reported to be back to 80% and will soon be at 100% of production whilst the West is or is going into lockdown.

The longer this situation lasts the more the economic and military balance changes in Chinas favour.

No apart from the supporter of the Chinese Communist Party in our midst does anyone think that will be in the long term interests of NZ or the West.

And thats why The Donald wants to get the US back in business.
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March 25, 2020 9:01am
- kowtow
  
  I see the west’s Media Party spends more time slagging off Trump on this than they do on examining /explaining what’s really happening.
  As per Kev OB’s excellent link above.
  
  Blogs are doing what the MSM refuse to do.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:04am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  ‘reported’ by whom? Those paragons of truth the chinese govt? – who have shut off 20million cell phone accounts in last 3 months and expelled all journalists to prevent stories contradicting their propeganda corps permeating out. Chinese production is still seriously hampered, and Global markets for their goods are severely reduced anyway, and their economy was in dire shape before this all started anyway with vast zombie (non performing) loans.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:09am
- Im Right
  
  Things will change Lastmanstanding, in that what the world has experienced in that China make a helluva lot of what we rely on.
  Watch, for example, drug making moving back into host countries for their own usage/supply.
  If anything this whole episode has shown every country what happens when China stops manufacturing!
  China will lose out in the long run, economic wise, not overnight, but it will happen!
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:30am
- RW Capitalist
  
  My orders from my Chinese supplier are under way and there is only a minor delay to delivery.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’ve not even had a reply from a couple for nearly a month.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:56pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      My guy, EMail response time
      <20 min….20%
      < 1hr……….20%
      1day……..20% he’s usually out of town, at one point this coincided with his office manager on maternity leave.
      It’s been like that for 10 years
      
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      March 25, 2020 5:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I don’t think they’re very well.
        
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        March 25, 2020 7:54pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Can’t get that level of response from Auckland companies.
        
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        March 25, 2020 8:00pm
- cmm
  
  But then we won’t all become bludgers and PriNZess and Robbo won’t get UBI in!
  
  Being the first government in the world to roll out UBI in would be such a huge win for #CinD4UNandRobbo2!
  
  All that hugging stuff last year got her foot in the door. UBI would be a winner!
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:56am
- freethinker
  
  The problem of much of the global supply coming from China has exposed the profit before reliability polices and corporations will diversify sources out of China producing unemployment in China employment to new locations and probably increased costs. This will create a change in the balance of power but uncertain who gains.
  
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  March 25, 2020 10:04am
- cmm
  
  I consult in the electronics/software industry. Two of my customers were having PCBs (electronic boards) made in China in January and got delayed by the shutdowns there.
  
  The delays were only 3 weeks or so, then most of (or at least much of) China was back in business.
  
  Sure Wuhan is still in lockdown or whatever, but elsewhere they’re back into it.
  
  Heck, even the Apple Stores in Bejing and a few other places have been open again for about 2 weeks.
  
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  March 25, 2020 10:25am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Lastmanstanding,
  Should China pay compensation – how much should that be, to whom will they pay it and, more importantly, what effect will it have on their economy. Will you willingly condemn a sixth of the world’s population to penury? This is what happened in the 1920s to Germany and please tell me how that turned out in the end.
  OK, the Chinese got it wrong at the start (first, time would have been taken to identify that this was something other than a normal flu, and then denial and so on) but they more than made up for it – more so as the most successful countries at countering Covid-19 are copying them – including us. Everyone is human and therefore mistakes happen.
  Remember China is an essential of the world’s economic recovery and impoverishing them will impoverish us all, let alone lead to an economic recovery.
  
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  March 25, 2020 10:25am
- Aunty
  
  Don’t buy made in China products!
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:09am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    In other words don’t buy pretty much anything. Everything vaguely mechanical or electronic has Chinese parts. And then there’s clothing.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:14pm
    - artemisia
      
      Even clothing labelled Made in Italy.
      
      And that is a whole other story. Including why Italy was slow off the mark monitoring arrivals from China.
      
      Though to be fair, it took a while to understand, and China was first and hardest out of the block. Hard to forget film of apartment gates being welded shut.
      
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      March 25, 2020 1:05pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Made under license in China
      Foreign factories in China
      Rebadged product made in China
      
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      March 25, 2020 5:55pm
- curry4me
  
  lastmanstanding: Meanwhile everyone can do their bit by leaving the Made in China stuff on the shelf. Tell the managers in your stores that you’d like to see a lot more stuff on the shelves that is made elsewhere. You can cite their horrible human rights record, and or Corvid 19.
  
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  March 25, 2020 5:43pm
Happychappy

NZ in ‘good place ‘ to fight COVID-19 but ‘constructive scrutiny ‘ of Government needed Simon Bridges.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/03/nz-in-good-place-to-fight-covid-19-but-constructive-scrutiny-of-government-needed-simon-bridges.html
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March 25, 2020 9:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Don’t binge eat coz you are depresses – you will get fat. Don’t binge drink, you will get drunk. Don’t go fishing – the Coastguard are self isolating too. Don’t panic buy.
Don’t do this, don’t do that. Why don’t you socialist control freaks just fuck off?
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March 25, 2020 9:04am
- Local Miller
  
  I’m really quite pissed (but do understand) that the Coastguard have to self isolate. Mrs Miller and I had booked 2 weeks leave from this weekend and had planned to self isolate on the yacht while sailing up the east coast. Now we are stuck in the house.
  I did have a great last evening with my boys last night playing the board game Terraforming Mars. 3 hours of play followed by dinner. The 2 boys share a rental with one of their sisters just 5 minutes from our place. It seems weird that from tonight we won’t be able to get together for games for another 4 weeks at least.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:19am
- Inandout
  
  Steve, the Maori enclaves have already closed themselves to outside laws so fishing to the max will occur. Ready supplies for the bros and if they are a ‘business’ they qualify for special handouts. The socialists in the CoL are aware these people are a law unto themselves and are best left alone.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:21am
- gravedodger
  
  I have some sympathy for your sentiments Steve but as a first responder in a previous life who watched Sars, H1N1, and other nasties come and go I understand a Life guard may not wish to get close and personal with some twat bored shitless with quarantine, needing help.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:36am
- MT_Tinman
  
  In this case Steve ‘taint only the lefties proving to be control freaks.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:37am
- JerJer
  
  Because they have royaly stuffed up. The only chance they have to get out of this, is by putting the burden on you, and then they can claim victory (which if it comes will be more to do with good luck than good management). You can make them pay in September.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, it is always someone else’s fault. The Queen of NZ is not responsible – or amused
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:09pm
- Lance
  
  Are you suggesting that panic buying is some sort of right and all good?
  Because I think it’s fuckwittery on stilts.
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:57am
  - artemisia
    
    ‘Panic buying’ has other names that are not so much used by politicians. Like prudently making sure you can feed the family for 4 weeks or more if things get worse. And a week ago, who knew?
    
    One lot in my family have for several years done a standard fortnightly shop with Countdown online. Family of 5, 2 teenagers. They came close to panic when their last order arrived with 2 loaves of bread instead of the usual 10. And that was just the beginning.
    
    They adjusted and are now shopping more often to achieve their standard list for the fortnight.
    
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    March 25, 2020 1:17pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Don’t listen to them Steve, use your common with the information that you have. It has got you this far for sixty plus years, no reason to think it is going to fail you now
  
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  March 25, 2020 9:57am
- IC5000
  
  It’s only day one and you’re already losing it. Get a grip of yourself man.
  
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  March 25, 2020 10:08am
  - Mummy
    
    It’s not day one till tomorrow.
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:11pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They disturb us latent anarchic Irish too.
  
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  March 25, 2020 10:57am
- Prince
  
  Just be Kind. Whatever the hell that means in practice. Smile, tilt head, talk as you would to a child, dowy-eyed.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:00am
- Ford Prefect
  
  Is there anything about binge DIY?
  
  I’ve got a to-do list a mile long and wonder if my back will last the 4 weeks.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nip out to Bunnings and get the missus a tool kit ?
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Speaker of the house just told me I have to learn to mow the lawns again.
      Fuck, I did not know we had mower – but I do hear strange noises sometimes. Is it that thing that looks like a baby stroller, but has a motor thing on it?
      
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      March 25, 2020 4:14pm
Yvette

It all adds up to 563 [intensive care] beds and 520 ventilators in public hospitals.
In private hospitals and at other providers, the survey shows there are about 250 ventilators, though only 22 ICU beds.
“Private hospitals, teaching universities, emergency services defence force and veterinary providers also have ventilators and anaesthetic machine ventilators.
“The number of these and their suitability is being assessed,” the ministry said. [1]

So roughly 585 intensive care beds, and 770 ventilators.

But their availability is reduced by the average time a patient may require a ventilator for, which would seem to be the information still needed to tell how well catered for we are with ventilators.

Meanwhile would a realistic official statement on ventilator capacity prove any wisdom in the hoarding of so much toilet paper – how useful is it to scare the public – or might such information confirm the seriousness of the situation and for the absolute need for everyone who can, to stay at home and not risk needing a ventilator.

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-zealand-has-153-intensive-care-beds-according-survey
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March 25, 2020 9:09am
MCos

Interesting article about Professor Robert G. Webster from Balclutha and now living in Memphis, Tennessee, as one of the world’s greatest and most celebrated virologists

“I asked, “How could we have prepared for a virus that didn’t exist?”
He shouted, “Do we have enough ventilators? Do we have enough protective clothing? Do we have enough masks? Bloody hell. We don’t have these things.
“There should have been stockpiles of these straightforward things. Like you stockpile ammunition for a war. People talk about this being a war. Well, where’s the ammunition to fight this bloody war? We have to rush around now and get it made. Come on!”
And then he apologised for his outburst, and said it was nice to hear a Kiwi voice.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12319576
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March 25, 2020 9:15am
Allyson

Teachers are now in a compromised position. Their collective greed, and subsequent payrise is totally innapropiate given current financial status.
Tax payers and government coffers are hit hard, and we will need massive borrowing to keep all heads above water.
The teacher unions should stand tall and proud, and give back their payrise. We cannot afford it.
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March 25, 2020 9:19am
- artemisia
  
  Why blame the teachers? Who authorised the pay rise?
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:19pm
  - Paulus
    
    art
    The Teachers Union of course !
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:11pm
- Nickc2
  
  Teachers know they can do whatever they want with this government. They are a voting block that Cindy has just given another 4 weeks’ leave (on full pay). No doubt, like the Muslim stuff in Christchurch, teachers will want to be granted another day off each year to celebrate what COVID-19 and Cindy have given them.
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:39pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    No, actually only 2 extra weeks. Actually this is pay back for having to put up with the nations little shits day in and day out…. You guys can have them for a while….
    
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    March 25, 2020 3:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yah! They will not be using sick leave or annual leave
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:16pm
JibberJabber

Given the amount of taxpayers money that has been used to bailout Banks in the past, maybe it`s time for Banks to repay that favour?
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March 25, 2020 9:25am
Padraig Payne

The guidance out today shows that this ad that said you could go hunting was totally wrong.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/confusion-nz-first-promotes-solo-hunting-during-coronavirus-lockdown
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March 25, 2020 9:27am
godruelf

Listening to Nash this morning with Hosking talking about Air NZ staff having to take unpaid leave Nash said employers could get $580 per week subsidy. Thats going to make a huge difference to the company where they are paying I guess $200K + pilots. He then said he would be disappointed if Air NZ was doing this considering the $900 million of Government money. This is a Loan at 7-9 % interest the company has to work in their own interests to survive and in the interests of their shareholders as well.
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March 25, 2020 9:38am
- Old White Loser
  
  Nash obviously does not understand how the subsidy works. If you get it you commit to paying your staff 80% of there normal wage so 80% of a pilot salary would be a lot more than the Subsidy.
  
  Our company is paying staff 100% as they are the most important part of the company.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:15pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Actually that subsidy is only $504.35 plus GST. To talk about $580 per week is being reckless with the truth.
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:10pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Subsidy is GST free.
    Here is the hard to find tax info :
    https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/employer-questions-and-answers.html
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:58pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I haven’t found the 80% requirement, if any, yet.
      
      The $585/wk, at least, is required to paid to every employee it has been granted for.
      PAYE, KiwiSaver and other usual deductions apply to each employee. There is no $585 in the hand promised.
      
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      March 25, 2020 3:09pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Kev O’Brien, thank you for bringing that to our attention.
      Several years I lost a stand up knock down argument with a GST inspector about wages subsidies. I was wrong. Those subsidies, which the government at the time crowed about, were inclusive of GST. As the subsidy was for wages I thought the subsidies would be exempt from GST. I was wrong then. Now you have been kind enough to point out that I am wrong now.
      People like Kev help make this the best blog on the internet.
      
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      March 25, 2020 10:29pm
    - greybeard
      
      Does an employee need to pay tax on a wage subsidy payment?
      
      Yes, they will as the subsidy is paid to the employer as part of their normal wages. This means it is subject to the usual PAYE, Student Loan, KiwiSaver deductions, etc.
      
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      March 26, 2020 7:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Err, I think the $504.35 is after PAYE.
    And yes it is plus GST because it will be spent. This is how the brilliant Finance Minister stimulates the economy. Just amazing.
    Saw my dick off
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:20pm
Michael NZ

Lastman
2017 Chinese made virus like Corona.
30km from a lev 4 bio warfare lab is an animal market.
2019 they had an outbreak, suppressed it and destroyed everything.
Staff members at Lab selling off animals at Market for cash instead of cremating them.

2019-20 outbreak in Wuhan, they lied about it, covered it up.
A doctor alerted people as they weren’t handling it, Chinese Police monstered him and shut him up.
he subsequently died from CV.
5 million people fled Heibei Province before lockdown.
China (CCP) still obfusecated with WHO and others.
CV all over the world, causing economic havoc.
Chinese now saying it didn’t originate in China but America, it was all a plot by the Americans !!

These are the people some want to have access to oir 5G?

They have a surveillance society where if you don’t toe the line, your kids get thrown out of school, you can be banned from using different transport like buses, trains etc.
The type of job you can do can be limited regardless of your qualifications.
They have imprisoned and are torturing, a min of 300,000 people because of their ethnicity and/or faith.
I could go on but won’t for space.

The Chinese Communist Party is the enemy of Freedom and Liberty, of the West.
Anyone who supports and enables them is tarred with their brush.
We must end reliance on them and push back in every forum we can, whilst we can.

That starts with not voting for people who support and enable them, unless they change their behaviour.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/the_wuhan_virus_escaped_from_a_chinese_lab.html

https://unherd.com/2018/02/china-turned-internet-tool-complete-citizen-control/
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March 25, 2020 9:40am
JibberJabber

?IMPORTANT Public information service for celebrities .

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1242549087607631872
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March 25, 2020 9:47am
JibberJabber

Lugenpresse.
https://twitter.com/AmericaFirstPAC/status/1242542439430316039
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March 25, 2020 9:58am
- IC5000
  
  You realise that ‘Lugenpresse’ was a term used by the Nazis and that DPF is Jewish?
  
  Are you that stupid?
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, he is.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:30pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Lool, a couple of semi-literate Lefties having a reach around.
      
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      March 25, 2020 1:18pm
      - IC5000
        
        I’m a NZF supporter lool.
        
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        March 25, 2020 1:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        ‘Lool’?
        Sounds semi-literate to me.
        
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        March 25, 2020 2:28pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Are you that fucking stupid to understand that the link refers to the MSNBC that is fucking lying?
    
    Nothing in my post is aimed at DPF, clown.
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:50pm
    - IC5000
      
      Stop using Nazi memes here. If you were unaware if the origin then educate yourself. My grandfather didn’t spend 5 years in uniform to see this kind of filth rear it’s head up in NZ.
      
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      March 25, 2020 1:22pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        Stow ur fake outrage Tinkerbell, if I had said the Lying Press, would that have given you an attack of the Vapours?
        
        [Mod: While IC5000 isn’t a position to warn about such things, the Mods can. And yes you should be extremely careful about associating our host with Nazis, in fact just don’t.]
        
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        March 25, 2020 1:36pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        I`ve a relative that died fighting the Fascists in Madrid, so I`ll see your WW2 and raise you a Spanish Civil War.
        
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        March 25, 2020 2:21pm
  - cmm
    
    Do you need to be so sensitive on behalf of DPF?
    
    I suspect he can fight his own fights and doesn’t need smelling salts.
    
    DPF was not worried about raising The Goebbels Gap so it seems he does not faint when a Nazi theme comes up.
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:08pm
    - IC5000
      
      It’s about moving the Overton windows through the use of these memes so that they gain traction and acceptance. I’m sure you’d do these same if someone tried to do the same with Antifa memes here. As long as the origin is not obscured so they can be challenged for what they are.
      
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      March 25, 2020 2:19pm
mjw

This is the best site I’ve found for up to date statistics (in the sense of measurement, not deeper analysis). Scroll down for country by country details. Click on the variable headers to sort countries up or down by that variable.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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March 25, 2020 10:00am
Local Miller

So I made a comment at 9:19, and it’s now 9:58 and the comment is still in moderation. This moderation thing is killing KB.
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March 25, 2020 10:01am
TWEEDSE

Ironic news of the year, Greta Climate Change has caught covid19 due to travelling around Europe to much.
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March 25, 2020 10:02am
- rangitoto
  
  She hasn’t been tested. Her minders are just annoyed that covid-19 has shuffled her off the front page. Pure attention seeking.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Being able to see CO2 has scared the virus right out of her body
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:24pm
MT_Tinman

I notice the dictatorship has ordered all booze suppliers to shut down, including on-line suppliers..

It would be terrible if the good (but clueless) people of New Zealand were to have a little fun while under house arrest for being too stupid to stand up for themselves.
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March 25, 2020 10:13am
- alwyn
  
  Well so much for Ardern saying we didn’t need to “panic” buy. Yesterday morning we were being told that liquor outlets would remain open. I was down to the last quarter of my only bottle of whisky but I didn’t think I had to worry as I could get some more next week.
  Then we get another “captains call” and they all have to close down. After all, according to Ardern we can get whatever we need firm the Supermarket. Do you really think she doesn’t realise that Supermarkets only sell wine and beer?
  I guess it doesn’t bother her of course. The taxpayer and her Parliamentary Office will no doubt keep her properties supplied.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:57am
  - Batman
    
    They’ll be open today. Is your whisky supply really that important at the moment? I mean that half-seriously.
    
    Some of us were organised and went to drive-thru beer pickups from our local brewery….
    
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    March 25, 2020 12:00pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I no longer drink spirits and can get beer & wine from the supermarket.
      Seems a bit unfair on the whisky and gin drinkers who don’t happen to live in Invercargill or West Auckland.
      
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      March 25, 2020 12:19pm
      - Lance
        
        Think of the horror…. someone from Remuera might have to demean themselves by venturing into Bogan central.
        
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        March 25, 2020 1:01pm
    - alwyn
      
      I do have some Scots ancestry and I like a wee dram of an evening. Would you deprive an old man of the last of his pleasures?
      You’re a cruel fellow Bruce Wayne. I’ll bet your Butler, Alfred, has some in stock.
      
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      March 25, 2020 12:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Supermarkets have a restriction on alcohol level. No spirits. Another example is they sell wine but not port.
    But then, what would Cindy know?
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:22pm
    - curry4me
      
      Steve Otto (North Shore) Pak N Save sell Port. thet’s where I get mine.
      
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      March 25, 2020 5:55pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Absolutely. And the other thing is that bottle stores stock the largest supply of hand sanitiser in the country. Look it would take a bit to have to use a single malt this way, but in a desperate situation, it would work. Of course, now this has been short circuited. Stupid , Stupid, Stupid. Further, there are some alcoholics that may actually need a fix during this time and beer or wine may not suffice. Forcing them to go cold turkey and stay indoors for a month could be very detrimental to them and the people they live with.
    
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    March 25, 2020 3:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some did toilet paper, some are doing food.
      Some supermarkets have more Stella than Liquor King, but the line is out the mall door
      
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      March 25, 2020 5:28pm
Poppa

Just returned from Mitre10 & to my surprise no long waits for anything.

Maybe everyone got their stuff yesterday?
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March 25, 2020 10:19am
lofty

You would think that the NZ Herald would unlock their “Premium” readability during this time of national crisis, being the major newspaper outlet in the country and all.
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March 25, 2020 10:44am
- calendar girl
  
  Good suggestion, lofty. But I don’t think that today’s “Herald” owners have the kind of public-spiritedness that could be expected of their predecessors.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:14pm
  - Nickc2
    
    They have to use advertising revenue to pay their self serving journos.
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:32pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Given the Toilet paper crisis, one would expect the the Herald to be having one of its better months…
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:24pm
Fletch

I see that over in the U.S, Democrats have been holding out on passing the coronavirus relief bill – practically holding the country to ransom – until it includes the bullshit they have attached to it, such as –

* A bailout for the U.S. Postal Service
* Student loan debt forgiveness
* Required same-day voter registration
* Airline emissions standards regulations
* Study on climate change migration
* Collective bargaining provisions
* Increased federal minimum wage for companies that accept government loans
* Publication of race and pay statistics for corporate boards
* Dozens of other provisions allocating money to universities, the JFK Performing Arts Center, IRS, NOAA, museums, migration assistance
* There’s even a requirement that the federal government use more minority banks and credit unions

Ted Cruz excoriates them in Congress about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2CRq6RqTUM

It’s looking like Pelosi may back down. The Dems are just evil with how they make everything political. They don’t care about Americans. They only care about getting their own way.
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March 25, 2020 11:00am
- toby1845
  
  Sorry, downticked by mistake
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:33am
- curry4me
  
  Fletch: If the bad Orange Man really was ‘literally Hitler’; he’d have done a Charles I on them by now. Or a Cromwell.
  
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  March 25, 2020 5:59pm
emmess

What going on with the moderation?
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March 25, 2020 11:03am
- emmess
  
  Further to this, I would say KiwiBlog is almost an essential service for right leaning New Zealanders to share information as it is by far the largest blog. Mainstream media does not allow comments and leftist sites kick us off.
  Please adjust the moderation policy or at a bare minimum operate it efficiently.
  
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  March 25, 2020 11:10am
Michael

Coronavirus opportunities.
If you had purchased say 100000 Meridian Energy shares last week at bottom you could sell them right now and make a cool $60000 profit. $60000 in less than a week, not bad, eh?
The Dow Jones has just had it biggest one day rise ever. Some people will be making a killing.
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March 25, 2020 11:04am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s mainly people having to cover their bets from placing sales orders first then having to buy the stock later.
  
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  March 25, 2020 3:20pm
Michael

I should have said the Dow Jones has just had its biggest one day rise since 1933.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stock-markets-dow-update-3-24-2020-11585012632
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March 25, 2020 11:12am
- KevO'Brien
  
  These very large movements are to be expected particularly with programmed trading.
  Where’s the value?
  The adjustment has only started.
  
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  March 25, 2020 3:18pm
Local Miller

My comment is now almost 2 hours in moderation!

[Mod – apologies for that. Had to go and run some last-minute errands. Locked down now for the duration!]
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March 25, 2020 11:13am
- Tall Man
  
  So Batman, that whiskey comment got you thinking ?
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:16pm
sooty

Do journalists have to pass a dumbnest test to get a job, because there are some there that would give Phill Twyford a run for your money!
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March 25, 2020 11:14am
- JibberJabber
  
  LoL, the missus just said to me at lunch, “jeez, some of these reporters are thick”, I said, “given you have banned me from watching the TV news for the last 25 years, what do you think I have been saying for the last 30?”
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:29pm
mara

How many thousands of people are flying into NZ every week and only being asked to self isolate on arrival? Whether they are Kiwis or not doesn’t matter. There must be provision made for mandatory isolation or the nightmare will never end.
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March 25, 2020 11:14am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

I am reassured that following her announcemnet that she most likley has already had covid-19, Gret Thumberg will eb able to lecture all nations on how to survive anddeal with the pandemic. For a moment I was worried that only scientists and clinical specialists would be giving us advice.
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March 25, 2020 11:21am
Michael

Whoa!!
Those Meridian Energy shares are now up 67 cents since close yesterday.
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March 25, 2020 11:21am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Rio Tinto announcing Tiwai Point closure next Tuesday. MEL main power supplier. TP takes 15% of NZ electricity. Watch power company prices tank.
  Will take 5/7 years and several Billions to build supply lines to North Island.
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:54pm
Blackface Twin Reverb

So, Sitrep:
working from home, salary and hours reduced to 80%.
House that we had planed to build (title on the land was due to be issued in about 2-3 weeks) is now in limbo. Depending on if we get back to normal, we may have to continue on reduced salary until market can sustain “normal” rates.
given reduced salary for indefinite term, unlikely to be able to secure finance, so goodbye new house – hope I can recover deposits already paid to developer and builder.

F**k you China,
and F**k you Cindy.
at least there’s some satire to laugh at
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March 25, 2020 11:31am
greybeard

I wonder what the Warehouse will do with their huge stocks of Easter chocolate things.
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March 25, 2020 12:06pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Quite so. I had to visit the local Warehouse this morning (an experience I have no wish to repeat!), and there’ll be trucklaods of cheap Easter Eggs once the lockdown is over.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They’ll be re-hashed as Freedom eggs/ Victory eggs
  
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  March 25, 2020 3:02pm
Rich Prick

Who here, would tolerate being detained by Hone Harawira?
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March 25, 2020 12:11pm
- Doubledimp
  
  The cops need to stomp on that sort of vigilante-ism hard. Those stopping people are expanding their “bubble” of infection and are not “essential services”.
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Is running an illegal roadblock an “essential service” and what will our culturally sensitive Plod do when / if these thugs break the law , and break the law on at least 2 counts ( obstructing the Queen’s Highway , and breach of quarantine ,thereby endangering their own communidy) to enforce their thuggery?
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:10pm
waldonz

Random question:
What’s the story with the random down ticks on this thread? Has someone got far too much time on their hands today?
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March 25, 2020 12:13pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Probably SB2.
  Has he been banned or doesn’t he have anything to say?
  
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  March 25, 2020 12:58pm
  - Swifty
    
    Banned
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/03/general_debate_23_march_2020.html#comment-2665695
    
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    March 25, 2020 1:04pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Nice.
      
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      March 25, 2020 1:20pm
      - Swifty
        
        He’s actually improved recently – he’s done much less of the drive-by attacking of posters, less labeling of others and he’s taken to penning the odd original piece.
        
        I greatly hope he feels aggrieved by the latest suspension however, given his better recent behaviour, because of course nothing will ever make up for the years of scumbaggery he has conducted here.
        
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        March 25, 2020 2:14pm
Fletch

People have been posting an article on Facebook suggesting that studies show that getting the annual flu vaccination makes you 6 times more likely to shed the flu virus and doesn’t protect you….

Make of it what you will. Time Magazine supposedly printed a rebuttal to the original article but have since taken it down.

https://thewilddoc.com/yes-the-flu-shot-will-make-you-spread-the-flu-fact-checking-time-mag/

Lengthy YouTube video (from the link above) that goes into the whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-VWfp9n5IY
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March 25, 2020 12:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  I wouldn’t believe anything written in a magazine that is dumb enough to feature Cindy on its cover. That includes Time Magazine, a once admired and trusted rag. It just shows how low they have sunk bothering to photograph Cindy, let alone sticking her on the front cover.
  I must admit, I did turn her picture in a magazine rack a few days ago but some chick spotted me and turned her around again. Bugger!
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:01pm
Allan

TOM HANKS
– Survived 4 years on an island alone.
– A whole year inside an airport without being able come out.
– Got AIDS in Philadelphia.
– Fought in WW2 and rescued private Ryan.
– Landed an airplane in the Hudson River.
– In Vietnam he rescued LT Dan.
– He was kidnapped by Somalies.
– He survived Apollo 13 Trying to make it to the moon.
If this guy dies on us from the Coronavirus we are all pretty much screwed !!!!!!
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March 25, 2020 12:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  Yeah but he had a football as a friend……
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:22pm
  - NoCash
    
    It was a volleyball.
    
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    March 25, 2020 2:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So not a real friend then?
      
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      March 25, 2020 2:54pm
- Blackface Twin Reverb
  
  Never travel with Tom Hanks.
  
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  March 25, 2020 1:22pm
  - artemisia
    
    Mr Hanks – Safest person to travel with. Like the guy who always carried a bomb when he travelled by air, because what are the odds of 2 bombs.
    
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    March 25, 2020 6:20pm
NoCash

Don’t forget to run your car idle for 30 mins at least once every two weeks to prevent the battery getting flat. Or go for a 30 min drive, just don’t get caught by the police or army 🙂

A 10 min drive to the supermarket once a week isn’t enough to keep the battery in good shape.

I can foresee towards the end of the lockdown, the AA will be super busy with call outs for flat batteries.
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March 25, 2020 1:44pm
- NoCash
  
  To state the obvious, take the car outside, not in the garage even with the door open.
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:10pm
- rockape
  
  Even more obvious use a $20 trickle charger!
  
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  March 25, 2020 4:28pm
  - NoCash
    
    Sure, I have one for my weekend car, but how many people have a trickle charger for their daily? What if you don’t have a garage? Also good luck to getting one now if you don’t already have one.
    
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    March 25, 2020 5:39pm
Chuck Bird

I have a lot more confidence in Dr Verrall than the current government spokesman. He will not admit a mistake or criticize the government. There should be some random testing, not just those who appear to have symptoms. Also if someone who has had even brief contact with an infected person, they should be tested right away not wait to see if they develop symptoms. Some people are carriers and do not develop symptoms.

“Otago University infectious diseases senior lecturer Dr Ayesha Verrall says drive-thru swabs isn’t enough to build robust data on the actual spread of COVID-19.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/coronavirus-doctors-warn-of-blind-spot-in-government-s-covid-19-response-plan.html
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March 25, 2020 1:45pm
rangitoto

Wonder what happens if you had a sale and purchase agreement and have to move house after the lockdown?
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March 25, 2020 2:04pm
- barnacle bill
  
  @rangi
  That is the exact situation we were in after the Kaikoura Earth Quake.
  We had purchased outside of Kaikoura but we could not get out of Kaikoura because all roads were closed.
  Still we had to get out with nowhere to go.
  It was called an act of God.
  
  Amazing man, that God.
  
  Emergency powers will likely cover the seller on this occasion though.
  
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  March 25, 2020 3:03pm
WaveyDavey

Who knew that racing was an essential industry?

https://www.lincolnfarms.co.nz/stories/racing-thrown-a-lifeline-as-training-centres-and-stables-deemed-essential-services/?fbclid=IwAR248jgtcBCOowNNddfh-w2cfhj-N-KsQC9yjFS7enDXRmEQQ9Cs4txyS2U
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March 25, 2020 2:04pm
- sooty
  
  Isn’t Whinestone lovely!
  
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  March 25, 2020 3:00pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGrco0A4zrI
The Democrats are destroying themselves by blocking the Coronavirus stimulus. They’re lucky President Trump isn’t Cromwell
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March 25, 2020 2:07pm
- Batman
  
  McConnell is playing high stakes negotiations with this. He gave out a poisoned chalice and is now crying foul when the recipients refuse to drink from it. No mention of the Senate passing what the House sent them so it’s not like he’s the good guy here (he never is the good guy, to be fair to him).
  
  PS: Good to see Turley expanding his grifting to investments… i’m sure they’re ‘high quality’ haha
  
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  March 25, 2020 2:38pm
curry4me

https://www.youm/watch?v=m5_JZvatube.coIuwc
PC doomed Italys’ response to CCP virus. Hug a Chinese person wasn’t the smartest idea.
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March 25, 2020 2:07pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder if the emergency powers will include banning strike and if so, would left wing government would invoke it to save lives? One example would be those doing the testing who had a one day strike not long ago.

“Covid-19 coronavirus: Fifty new cases, state of emergency declared to police lockdown ”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12319699
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March 25, 2020 2:47pm
Lance

I have just found out certain pharmacies in NZ are hiking mask prices over 1000%, many much more.

Disgrace to their profession.

Yes I have found out the stock price they were sent out at and what they appear on the shelves (if at all).
And they will only take cash (or card) sales, not on account.

I am all for businesses making profit but this is failing the humanity test.
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March 25, 2020 3:03pm
John Warren

Will the criminal element be faithfully adhering to the lockdown, or will they be out and about burgling, dealing, and spreading the virus?

Hopefully, of course, it might finish a few of them off.
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March 25, 2020 3:05pm
- cmm
  
  No doubt gang PR person, Louise Hutchinson, and sister in PR, Ardern, made a deal and did an elbow bump.
  
  Or maybe they didn’t…
  
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  March 25, 2020 3:39pm
- rangitoto
  
  Are the Mongrel Mob considered an essential business?
  
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  March 25, 2020 5:22pm
MrTips

Farrrrrrkkkkkk….
If you think locking down NZ with its consistent sub-culture of half a million muntheads is bad enough, imagine trying to lockdown 1.3 billion Indians who are being told they can’t play cricket!
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52026908
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March 25, 2020 3:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey leftie trolls (you know who you are)
I got something for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEJyEwZJQkw
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March 25, 2020 3:08pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Ha,ha, that`s the same subject that I had IC5000 clutching his Pearls over earlier.
  
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  March 25, 2020 3:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The ‘other’ trolls have gone into self isolation – until they watch the next CNN, NSNBC (you know the rest) broadcasting lies and edited video clips.
    What is it with the leftie trolls? They think they are the only ones the have Google and Duckduckgo?
    Bite – 321 go ……
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:30pm
  - IC5000
    
    Let’s hope you took the mods warning seriously then.
    
    It’s good to see you’ve recovered from your earlier hysteria Otto. You’ll need to grow a spine for the weeks ahead.
    
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    March 25, 2020 4:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I got a warning? Fuck off with your bullshit
      
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      March 25, 2020 5:23pm
      - IC5000
        
        Lol, that’s the spirit. Your proud Teutonic forefathers would have been ashamed of your earlier conduct. Maybe we can make a man out of you yet.
        
        Hope you stocked up on sufficient Dutch courage to see you through these 4 weeks. I hear the liquor shops could be closing soon so there may be a run on existing stock. I am not a drinker myself as I’ve seen the mental and physical damage alcohol does but obviously many of us will need it.
        
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        March 25, 2020 5:32pm
MrTips

Just watched Jacinda briefly on the visual wireless.
For a comms grad she’s a pretty useless communicator. I suspect she’s spent so much of her life talking shit and avoiding answers, she can’t use the words yes and no.
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March 25, 2020 3:20pm
- calendar girl
  
  What nobody seems prepared to publicise is that Jacinder Ardern, despite being a Graduate in Communications (University of Waikato) appears to be unable to pronounce the letter “t”.
  
  Almost every time that the letter “t” appears within a word when she is speaking, that “t” comes out as a “d” sound: so, for example:
  
  – better becomes bedder;
  – attitude become additude;
  – cartwheel becomes cardwheel; and
  – plastic becomes plasdic.
  
  When will our PM undertake the hard, self-discipline work to eliminate this speech fault which will otherwise continue to spread among New Zealand’s young people, especially (on current trends) young New Zealand females?
  
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  March 25, 2020 4:49pm
  - Scooter
    
    Don’t forget Idaly
    
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    March 25, 2020 11:19pm
Happychappy

How the hell is National going to beat Jacinda when people are coming g home from around world because MSM are writing articles about our Prime Minister like this.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/clarity-and-compassion-what-australia-can-learn-from-new-zealands-coronavirus-response
It won’t belong before they will be printing she can walk on water.
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March 25, 2020 3:25pm
- cmm
  
  The only reason she can’t walk on water is because she gave the water to some poor thirsty kid who would have died in the Sudan.
  
  Here’s a picture he drew her with the one crayon they have in the village.
  
  Cute eh?
  
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  March 25, 2020 5:04pm
- Monique Watson
  
  The Guardian prints fantastical bullshit. And 99 % of New Zealanders under the age of 40 have never heard of it.
  
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  March 25, 2020 6:16pm
  - Jack5
    
    Happychappy – I can’t see the Ardern article you mention in the Guardian’s international edition, UK edition, or American edition, and it is placed about 17th in the coronovirus section of the Guardian’s Australian edition.
    
    The Guardian doesn’t have an official New Zealand edition, but when it detects you are on the internet in New Zealand it provides you with a de facto NZ edition with NZ reports highlighted, and often Ardern features, as she does in it today.
    
    It’s like the old days when Time was still a big power in the magazine world. NZ politicians would purr about being on the Time cover when they were usually only on the cover of the tiny South Pacific edition. (Ardern recent did feature in the dinkum, full edition of Time).
    
    You can go to the Guardian via VPN and it won’t know you’re from NZ, but the VPN service I use is near-clogged tonight, probably because of people trapped at home in many countries downloading video.
    
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    March 25, 2020 9:33pm
rightoverlabour

Anybody been stopped by the “SS Feldpolizei” yet and asked why they are out and about? I fear over enthusiastic crack downs that are going to make essential workers lives miserable.
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March 25, 2020 3:35pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Some of those words you have used could be deemed verboten, r o l. ?
  
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  March 25, 2020 4:05pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I know, I was been deliberately provocative, completely out of character, if I may say so. And I didn’t use one swear word….
    
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    March 25, 2020 8:47pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12319721

Don’t be afraid of the cops and military?

Nope, I’m more worried that she think they need them.

Can’t they just make a deal with the cultural organisations aka gangs?
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March 25, 2020 3:36pm
rightoverlabour

I see Farmlands has been deemed essential and will be open .That is good news. ( now do they sell Whisky?)
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March 25, 2020 4:01pm
oldfella

Brendan O’Neill from Spiked is always worth a listen. This time a podcast on how everyday speech in the UK became a crime.
https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/how-everyday-speech-became-a-crime/
Think of our own ‘Angry Andy’ as you listen, and how we could all go down the same track if he has his way. Probably with legislation slipped in while our minds are elsewhere.
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March 25, 2020 4:39pm
RW Capitalist

I supply services to pharmacies (an essential service)
This service is REQUIRED for them to pass their pharmacy audit.
Am I therefore an essential service.
I rang MBIE 0508377388
message said ALL info. is on their web site….NO IT’S NOT I checked.
If I wanted to speak to someone, hold and I would be transferred…
I actual got the “no such number tone” and it hung up on me.
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Canadas list. Much more thought went into this I would say…

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/essential-services-commercial-activities-covid19/
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