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Luke Piewalker

Cindy driving NZ of a cliff.

What a bloody mess
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May 28, 2020 8:04am
- alex Masterley
  
  It’s not just Dear Leader, it’s the entire band of learner drivers taking us over the edge.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:52am
- RW Capitalist
  
  After her first 2 years
  Please tell me you are not surprised.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:42am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  She is an economic terroist.
  Has anyone else noticed that sperm-donor Gayford is in adverts for audible ? Isnt it funny how Jacinda wants extra holidays for peopel to stay home and read or listen to books ? Conflict of interest ?
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:05pm
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I refuse to watch or buy any products where he is in any advertisement.
    
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    May 28, 2020 12:37pm
- Mark
  
  Yeh nah best trade figures in 11 years ,lowest unemployment figure in decades ,low inflation ,kept our families safe ,despite the people on. here advocating the Swedish solution.Here is the point your new leadership team are a pair of duds. I can see it ,Mark Richardson can see it ,Peter Williams can see it but you poor saps cannot .WTF.I have put up a $50 wager to go to the SPCA that Nationals own Lucretia Borgia will roll them PDQ,and Saint Jacinda will wipe the floor with her in the coming election .No takers ,what a bunch of feckless twerps .
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:49pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    lowest unemployment figure in decades
    
    You are off your chops mate.
    
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    May 28, 2020 5:34pm
    - Mark
      
      Prior to the virus obviously,and just as Labour pulled the country out of the great depression in the 30’s they will today.I am just off to polish my Saint Michael Joseph Savage photo,and offer a quiet prayer for thanks to God for giving us this wonderful Labour team in our time of world wide crisis.
      
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      May 28, 2020 7:30pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        And now they have given us the highest unemployment rates in decades, highest inflation rates, lowest number of trades people employed, biggest restriction of civil rights i can remember in my lifetime.
        It is good Jacinda wore a Hijab it makes it more authentic now we are flying nose down into the ground.
        
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        May 28, 2020 8:35pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Bollocks
        
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        May 28, 2020 10:01pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Where’s the bloody ambulance?
  
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  May 29, 2020 3:07pm
Tony Stuart

Kiwibuild is really ramping up; not:

The Government’s former flagship housing policy is so far behind schedule it will take more than 400 years to reach its initial target of 100,000 homes. It had hoped to reach the target in 10 years.

Initially, the Government had been hoping the rate of building would increase over time as KiwiBuild ramped up, with 1,000 homes built in the first year, 5,000 in the second, and 10,000 in the third, but the rate of building is slowing.

Each month in 2020 seeing tiny increases in the number of KiwiBuild homes built.

The number of KiwiBuild homes built to date stood at 393 at the end of March, equating to roughly 19 homes built each month since the scheme began in June 2018.

At that rate it would take 436 years to complete the remaining 99,607 houses that remain from the 100,000 target.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300021781/kiwibuild-will-take-more-than-400-years-to-reach-original-target

436 years! There’s not a helluva lot more you can say about Kiwibuild, is there? Is this the biggest policy failure ever in New Zealand?
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May 28, 2020 8:04am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  I suspect the government will effectively drop any reference to Kiwibuild, the failure of which is forever tied to Phil Twyford.
  
  Instead Labour will focus on social housing, where they claim around 2,300 houses are being currently built (September 2019).
  
  I note that Megan Woods is the Housing Minister. And from what I can see she only ever talks about social housing and basically leaves the rest to the market. She also has the portfolios of Energy and Resources, Christchurch Regeneration and Research, Science and Innovation. I also see that she is ranked no 6 in the Cabinet, so clearly Labour rate her.
  
  In Todd Muller’s view she is one of the “empty seats”, being below no 3 in Cabinet.
  
  I had a pretty low opinion of her initially , but I note that in her more recent TV and radio interviews, she is more assured and more in command of her portfolios.
  
  I suspect she won’t be quite as easy to knock over as National thinks.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:24am
  - Simon
    
    Key promises more affordable homes
    
    National has moved to claim housing affordability as one of its key election planks, just a week after Prime Minister Helen Clark signalled her Government was putting the issue near the top of its agenda in its battle for survival.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10456017
    
    Different boss same shit. Its pathetic.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:46am
  - Durden
    
    Well you can try minimising the screw up Mr Mapp. But Minister Woods and her big coteries of ministers working on houses have not moved anything in over a year since Twyford was dumped.
    
    Labour got into a position to allow Winston to select them because of that blatant unachievable lie–one of many. The Labour party is responsible, it cannot get away by finding individual scapegoats.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:47am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I am not trying to minimise the Kiwibuild screw up. Rather I am pointing out that this may not be as easy a pushover as is currently imagined. At present National is of the view that all they have to say is that Labour is useless and that is the end of the argument. However, I don’t believe it is going to be as easy as that.
      
      National will have to put a lot of work into its Recovery Plan , so that is both obviously better than that of Labour, and is more likely to be able to be carried out.
      
      I have been thinking about what governments can actually do to aid economic recovery. Governments can’t actually do the recovery. Obviously they can spend money. But as we have already seen, that is the easy part. Labour can do that.
      
      The more challenging part is working out more can be done. What infrastructure needs to be built and when and where. What regulatory and tax changes can be done to boost growth. As I recall from 2008, it was hundreds of little things, which all added up. But none of then was a magic bullet.
      
      In short what I am saying is that endlessly repeating the failure of KiwiBuild is no where near enough. Labour will deflect from that.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:27am
      - rockape
        
        Didn’t our PM want to be held to account for her actions. Are you suggesting she lied and that she will divert from that?
        
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        May 28, 2020 9:50am
      - Crisplion
        
        I don’t think the National leadership is nearly so naive as you suggest. They’re 30 percentage points behind in the polls and they must know that it will take great political skill and a fair bit of luck to save them from an electoral disaster. This is especially so given the increasingly naked bias of what passes for political journalism in this country. I’m sure that none of that is lost on Todd Muller.
        
        COVID-19 has been the political equivalent of a bolt of lightning. Without that and the Christchurch massacre, Ardern would be staring down the barrel of being the first single-term Prime Minister in nearly half a century.
        
        As for the economic catastrophe wrought by her vainglorious stupidity, there’s no getting away from the fact that it will take years – probably more than a decade – to repair. The best a National government could do would be to cut GST to stimulate spending, cut business tax to stimulate employment and provide the support necessary to get Ardern’s economic victims back on track. If Ardern is still PM after September – as, depressingly enough, she probably will – then heaven help us.
        
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        May 28, 2020 10:13am
      - Paulus
        
        Like Transmission Gulley has stopped and the engineers are blocked from returning from Australia.
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:32am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Labour need executives with decision making ability and discernment. They would know that this is going to require industry co-operation and needs to be driven by industry against targets. The govt can help with freeing the paths including infrastructure.
        
        Unfortunately socialism has got in the way–how can they agree to private enterprise doing what is obviously a govt job? Twyfordism at its best.
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:50am
    - Nickc2
      
      Ah, they can now say there is no money at the moment for their housing aspirations. (sarc)
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:37am
  - pdm
    
    Wayne Mapp – if Labour really rates Megan Woods why is the proven to be incompetent Twyford ranked ahead of her?
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:19am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Agreed, seems very foolish.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:27am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Because (unlike National) they do not rank their MPs on merit. There are debts to be repaid, skeletons to be avoided, unions to show obeisance to, nepotism to be invoked, and diversity to be slavishly followed.
      
      Right at the very very bottom, comes merit.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:09am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes, that’s my assessment. There are buried bodies, and you can work out who know where they are based on MP performance vs rank.
        
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        May 28, 2020 12:43pm
      - Ceejay
        
        And, of course, you get to the very very top with a sweet smile and stardust.
        
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        May 28, 2020 3:10pm
  - Allan
    
    Whilst watching the news on TV3 which is not quite as biased as TV1 the Government propaganda channel they interviewed Twyford and I thought there is no hope for us however straight after that Woods was interviewed and my fears for the future were all but confirmed. 99% of the current Govt are empty seats in my humble opinion and that is being nice.
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:51pm
- artemisia
  
  Kiwibuild homes built in April – zero. But hey 11 were sold in the month, out of the 335 still available for sale.
  
  The Kiwibuild Monark development in Wellington was heavily oversubscribed in the ballot. Now that completion date has gone from July 2020 to June 2022 (can’t blame that on a virus) how is the government looking after the fed up Kiwibuild ballot winners, in the election-winning flagship policy?
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  With all that wood what’s Megan doing about it? IS she as useless as Twford too?
  
  MMP is going to have to be re-visited. Parliament is about Executive Government by the representatives of the people. It is not about diversity. Ideologues cannot be executives.
  
  National select candidates on merit. They all have to face extensive electorate scrutiny and they are whittled down and finally chosen by an electorate vote. Those test puts any candidate before sufficient community that shallowness and lack of executive ability is rejected. A young enthusiast diversionary may be tolerated briefly but will soon be shown the door or leave by its own accord.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Megan Woods was selected by Jim Anderton as his ready-made Wigram replacement.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:43am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Yes, it probably is Tony. I don’t how many times you will dig it up to only bury it again but the impact in the real world is not great. Folks have moved on, some considering building grass huts.
  A more immediate problem for you as a Nats party member is the perhaps the “for whom the bell tolls’ comments abroad that the NP front bench looks like a colonial Government.
  I didn’t get the chance to comment yesterday on a DPF blog where commentators were running down the Greens. To be blunt about it, the Nats are courting potential coalition partners, Todd has worked with James Shaw and DPF’s blog may have been a sign of the direction toward wooing possible col partners. Todd was at pains to make that point on his first day as leader – you need to be picking up these signals Tony. Then there is good old Winston – he would liven up things again for the Nats, deputy PM perhaps? Member for Whanganui? You’d probably fit in his as his right-hand man.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:35am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Sorry Brian, but I’m not xenophobic, nor would I accept donations with strings attached. Winston will have to find someone else to be his right-hand man. What about you?
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:45am
    - 3-coil
      
      This will be the first govt in which dodgy Winston will have lasted the full term – evidently the only party NZ1st and Winston are/have ever been in sync with is the NZ Labour Party.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:45am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      The problem is he wouldn’t be able to bully Tony.
      
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      May 28, 2020 12:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Brian, why destroy a reasonable post by being a smartarse at the end?
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:47am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Tongue in cheek for Tony’s electioneering tactic TM, the point is flogging Kiwibuild is pointless and an easy sidestep now.
      Todd’s plan, as much as we can see of it is pretty sound, he’s gone in the direction of accepting climate change and shown he can work with the Greens (1 of the leaders at least.)
      He hasn’t winked at Winstone so far but the antipathy between Simon and Winny isn’t so relevant now, also WP has never been a fan of the now distanced Paula.
      Todd seems to be looking at getting in the middle of the ring, the best place to be if he can maintain purchase and hold on – not forgetting some on the right will criticise him for that.
      
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      May 28, 2020 12:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The problem with the “tongue in cheek” response is that you never know when you’re going to sneeze.
        
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        May 28, 2020 2:58pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I tell people to look at it this way.
  
  395 houses built out of a promised (so far) 25900
  Ask your self, If you went to work (8 hr day), worked for 7 minutes, then sat in the lunch room till knock off time and went home.
  How long do you think you would have a job for?
  This is what the have done re Kiwi build.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:47am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not if you read our msm.
  
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  May 29, 2020 3:09pm
Maggie Pie

TV3 Breakfast Presenter Mark Richardson, shares makeup tips with viewers…

https://i.imgflip.com/42yx9v.jpg
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May 28, 2020 8:06am
- sooty
  
  Buy a hat.
  
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  May 28, 2020 1:02pm
Left Right and Centre

geez – National and Labour. Who spilt the bleach mate?
Otago school of medicine – yep, fixed the diversity there.
Hospital surgery race equity – let’s do it. Sorted.
Prisons – ah mate, far out. Look at that. No problem – just lock up a lot more non-brown folks, and celebrate diversity – yay!!
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May 28, 2020 8:10am
All_on_Red

I guess Simon Bridges has a big smile on his face now
#Omnishambles
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May 28, 2020 8:12am
- Tall Man
  
  I hope not.
  
  I hope he gets in behind Todd and shows what a leader he is.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:44am
- chaos
  
  Of course he does it is him and his team leaking.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Chaos – see my 9.24am. I would be very surprised if Bridges is involved in leaking anything, especially to Tova O’Brien, who has had it in for him since he was elected leader in 2018.
    
    However whichever National MP IS leaking to O’Brien needs to pull their head in, and back the properly elected leadership.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:50am
    - Paulus
      
      Isn’t she getting her information from her special friend JLR, and reading her keybord.
      
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      May 28, 2020 11:35am
    - Philview
      
      I recall a certain MP with a grudge against Bridges giving a press conference and issuing a warning to some female journalists. It raised the question were journalists targeting Bridges under instruction. Chris Trotter did an opinion piece a couple of days later saying political journalism is a dirty game and journalists can go to extreme lengths to get a scoop. All conjecture but leaves the impression that something was going on.
      
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      May 28, 2020 11:41am
    - Michael NZ
      
      no Tony they need sacking for working for Labour….
      
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      May 28, 2020 4:48pm
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Happy Menstrual Hygiene Day!
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May 28, 2020 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That movement to free-bleed never really took off
  https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/free-the-period-why-some-women-choose-to-free-bleed-1.4015740
  
  Perhaps it needs us NZers to take a lead
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/17-04-2019/decolonising-your-body-maori-attitudes-to-periods/
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:44am
Maggy Wassilieff

” an extra 53,000 people have signed up for the benefit since the week of March 20. There are another 40,000 special needs grants being issued each week.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300022327/12000-headlinegrabbing-redundancies-tip-of-the-iceberg
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May 28, 2020 8:15am
- Tall Man
  
  But Maggy, Todd’s got a cap!!!!!!
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:36am
  - oldfella
    
    Some loopy bird on Stuffed backs the fuss the left made over Muller’s MAGA hat. And includes this gobsmacking paragraph.
    — “To me, the outrage felt absolutely necessary because I thought the Christchurch massacre must count for something. All that blood, all that grief, and all our tears could not be for nothing.
    astonishing — ”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121641215/the-maga-hat-is-gone-but-important-questions-remain
    Silly me. I thought an Australian killed those people in Christchurch, when all the time it was really Trump’s MAGA hat that was to blame. Hard to keep up with lefty outrage these days…
    
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    May 28, 2020 10:09am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Wearing a MAGA hat means you support the elected president of the leader of the free world.
      
      Owning, but not wearing a MAGA hat means you collect political memorabilia.
      
      Acting on the whining of pathetic communist dweebs because you own a MAGA hat and hiding said hat means you are a pussy.
      
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      May 28, 2020 2:06pm
      - Mark
        
        Ahem if the cap fits,pussy wise.Come on Gnats ,out with the newbys they are duds ,wheel in the heavy artillery presenting, tah dah……. Vinegar Tits .
        
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        May 28, 2020 6:50pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      I hope Stuff goes to the Wall and their jobs with it.
      Then Cindy can give them their $490 a week for 12 Weeks.
      
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      May 28, 2020 4:50pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I once wore them to school.
    The stupidly of socialists and their media mongrels is unbounded.
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:53am
- Hard Cheese
  
  1,000 people a day going onto unemployment is roughly a 1% increase per month. Starting at 4% in March that puts it at 10% by the end of September – without taking the end of the wage subsidy into account. Treasury’s estimate of 9.8% comes into question then, suspiciously just under 10% and suspiciously fortuitous to be in the right ballpark with the right timing for a 9.0-9.8% result at the beginning of September, just before the election. Treasury can say “look how accurate we were” and Labour can say “look how good we are, doing better than Treasury predictions”.
  
  Might be me being overly cynical….or maybe not.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:50am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The last two weeks have seen nearer 2000 people per day losing their jobs, and that will accelerate further as the wage subsidy runs out. The Government can only hide unemployment for so long.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:57am
    - donny
      
      I disagree.
      I think the govt will find new & incredibly clever ways to hide unemployment.
      1) Free vocational training. If your studying for something no matter how useless the course, you are no longer unemployed
      2) Discouraged workers. If you become unemployed & give up trying to find work you are no longer considered unemployed but become a discouraged worker. This also helps lower unemployment.
      3) Underemployment. Expect govt agencies to start getting people to take a “voluntary” hours reduction along with pay. If you can have 5 people working 32 hours instead of 4 people working 40 hours, you save a job!!
      
      There are plenty of ways to hide unemployment, the most massaged statistic in our society
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:11am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Donny:
        (4) internship programme : public/private businesses take on a CoL funded intern for at least 6 months. Used to be called (unpaid) job experience.
        
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        May 28, 2020 10:04am
      - sooty
        
        Basket weaving.
        
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        May 28, 2020 1:04pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Indeed, if businesses are not looking at redundancies, they probably already broke.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:30am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
      
      ― Joseph Goebbels
      Her mentor?
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Get them all signed up as State Sector Employees, like Helen did
      
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      May 28, 2020 11:44am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      I agree with you, I think 9.8% is hopelessly optimistic for anything but the next four months, simple inspection of the tourism and hospitality sectors alone would tell you that. NZIER is laughably predicting a peak of 8.1% by 2022…it can’t be far from 8.1% already at the current rates.
      
      It’s all very well for these groups to claim “forecasts are difficult” but in the eventual wash up people like NZIER and Mr. 80,000 deaths need to be held to account for getting it spectacularly wrong (if indeed, they are spectacularly wrong) and a big NO given to them next time they stick their hands out for taxpayer funding.
      
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      May 28, 2020 12:41pm
- yossarian
  
  Putting it out there because I can’t find it, but has the bill to inact the 20% pay cut for MPs been finalised and passed?
  
  Seems to have gone quiet on this? I’m only asking because this is my 8th week at 80% and yet I’m doing 50 hrs against my salaried 40
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:46am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    You mean the actual 10% pay cut disguised as a 20% pay cut? The one that Grant Robertson disgracefully objected to in Parliament so it could be delayed and forgotten about?
    
    If I was King I’d charge them all UOMI for the 20% overpayments at the prevailing IRD rate…..you make the commitment to the public, your problem.
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:16pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      And when it was finally passed, by Government Bill, it was made voluntary. So we’ll never know which Ministers took a pay cut, and which didn’t.
      
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      May 28, 2020 1:50pm
Gravelroad

So.
The left wing media and associates, having had spectacular success in ousting Bridges, are now turning the accusatory blow torch onto Muller.
Hats, ancestry beat-ups all vitally important for our society. And all directed to a man who really, at this time, has very little governance influence.
Meanwhile, Ms Ardern carries on her merry way killing us with kindness – with no questions asked.
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May 28, 2020 8:18am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Any leader of National has to be ready to loudly and explicitly decry the toxic racist bigoted filter of identity politics that are the current go-to of left-wing attack dogs and their media acolytes. Have to unload on them every time or they will just keep on needling.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:29am
- Simon
  
  Follow the money Comrade.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:31am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Her day of judgement awaits.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:32am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Only when the populace, pitchforks and ropes become involved.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:40am
- alloytoo
  
  Muller needs to simply say.
  
  “National seeks excellence. That will result in Diversity.”
  
  Later he can say:
  
  “Labour seeks diversity, that hasn’t resulted in excellence.”
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:32am
  - mandk
    
    All Muller needs to is point out that, if you appoint people on the basis of ethnicity, you end up with useless people like Kelvin Davies in important jobs they are simply not up to.
    
    Yes, it’s a great idea to want Maori to do well, but realise that everyone’s wellbeing, including the wellbeing of Maori themselves, will suffer.
    
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    May 28, 2020 10:09am
Frank the tank

Roll up, Roll up come and see what economic vandalism Ring Master Cindy, chief clown Robbo and Animal Trainer Ash have in store for us today….
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May 28, 2020 8:22am
Nukuleka

One of the great pities of Simon and Paula’s time as Leader and Deputy of the National Party was that they never, as I can recall, played the media party and the progressive left at their own game by promoting their Maoriness. For the first time ever NZ had the opportunity to elect a Maori PM and Deputy PM together. Playing the racial identity card is anathema to centre rightists such as me but we can see from the nastiness and distorted ethnic attacks on Todd Mullers’s shadow cabinet picks that it would APPEAR to be everything to the msm and it would have been worth a shot.

Except, of course, that the msm would have no doubt have trumpeted their view that neither Simon nor Paula were REAL Maoris.
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May 28, 2020 8:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Most Maori in NZ are probably not real. The tribes have lost a lot of adherents with the move to the cities.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:33am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    They’ve been bleached by the white man’s oppression cuz.
    Call me an ignorant bleach-brain if you will but I seriously had no idea that Simon or Paula were in any way Maori. None.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:01am
    - MCos
      
      You’re an ignorant bleach-brain.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:36am
    - amospicton
      
      Isn’t that the ideal though – that we neither notice nor care about ethnicity, gender, sexuality, religion, age, height, weight, left-handedness etc etc ad nauseum and judge ALL people on their merits? Identity politics does nothing other than cement stereotypes and condescend to those dubbed ‘oppressed’.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:27am
    - Unity
      
      They aren’t Maori – that is if it came down to blood quantum which should happen these days seeing things ‘Maori’ are being placed left, right and centre. It really beggars belief when you think about it.
      
      I just want us all to be treated the same – as New Zealanders and leave race out of it. As for National’s front bench, Todd should stand firm and stress that ability comes before race, gender and every other nonsense. Also, he should stop the interviewers hectoring and interrupting him and just tell them that he would like to finish his answer without interruption. He MUST stand up to them and put them in their place. They are so rude and disrespectful. He is trying to come across as polite but he needs to play their game and develop some mongrel. He will gain so much more respect.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:53am
      - MH
        
        you have just lost 10 demerit surgery positions for any proposed elective or emergency operations.
        
        in future all patients will be colour compared based on a dulux card system. Do you honestly believe those testing stations are checking for virus,hell no they are creating DNA and skin colour pigment records.
        
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        May 29, 2020 3:11pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well I knew and didn’t care,
      
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      May 29, 2020 3:29pm
- Jules99
  
  Maybe if they had their eye on the electorate, they recognised that their Maori-ness was not a vote winner. And I would say, don’t play the media’s progressive game – you won’t win. National don’t appear to have realised that yet.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:35am
  - artemisia
    
    National’s options for identity politics – ignore, smile and ignore, laugh and ignore.
    
    Note – engage not an option.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    Sometimes it is a vote winner but only if you don’t make a big deal about it.
    
    I can’t speak for others, but I would personally prefer diverse backgrounds so long as this is not put ahead of competence.
    
    I am not going to vote for an X (Maori/woman/gay/whatever) just because they are X. But if they are equally competent then I’d go for the diversity.
    
    Same in a workplace.
    
    I don’t think many conservative leaning people (to the extent that National is) hold being an X against that person. They tend to not consider that a primary factor.
    
    Look at Selwyn: the strongest National stronghold in NZ. MP is Amy Adams. She’s not get many votes if she was telling people to vote for her because of her bits.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      Today there are no “maori” just differing shades of multiculturalism.
      
      There are what I call “feral” but they are not exclusively race based and I certainly don’t want them in parliament.
      
      I believe merit is the only quality people should have in order to be in our parliament and as long as they don’t carry their own preferences to the fore I don’t have a problem with how they pee, pray or perform in the bedroom.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:17am
- Gravelroad
  
  Bridges and Bennett have Maori ancestry.
  But it’s not special enough.
  You have to be of limited education and lacking in purpose to be truely special in Aotearoa.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:42am
  - plc
    
    You mean Willie Jackson
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:51am
- oldfella
  
  Didn’t Willy Jackson say something in parliament about Paula not being a real Maori? And got away with it?
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:13am
Yvette

Is Henare unaware of the attitude expressed pre-last Election by power-intellect Kelvin Davis?
Davis used an old tradition (as has effectively been used to mentally enslave the African Americans after their physical slavery, telling them too are mentally incapable – the worst statistics of the lowest – so enslaving them a second time) to play on Maori, telling them they worst off, as if that happened in just nine years.

No mana for Māori
Monday, 20 February 2017. Press Release: New Zealand Labour Party [1]
Kelvin Davis, MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Māori Development, Corrections –

“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.

This is Kelvin Davis warning “There’s no mana for Māori who support a waka that’s shackled to the National Party” and that “a vote for the Mana Māori deal is a vote for National”. And he claims “these statistics paint a very poor picture of “our” people, and is what the Māori party has contributed to through its support plan with the National party.”

If Labour Maori – now all seven special racist seats – damn Maori working with National, must they not more greatly condemn Maori who are National.
And now the Government he is part of says “National does not have enough Maori”?
It is simply against his own recommendations.

Labour’s Maori record though is their demolishing partnership schools, which are now – as a result – subject of a Waitangi Tribunal claim.
Labour is in no position to comment on Maori’s relationship to National.

[1] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm
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May 28, 2020 8:22am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “Simon Gotleib to the front desk – Kelvin has a message for you”.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Even labour has no use for people like simon. He’s sycophantic but can’t stick to the play book and let’s a micron of sense into his comments from time to time.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:12am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    Yay.
    
    Personal attacks. The hallmark of a true loser.
    
    If you two are representative of the average National voter it’s no wonder that Muller and co are making the stupid mistakes they are.
    
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    
    I reckon I’m well on the way to step three on my way to step four.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:27am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      …and so, SB, what was your reference to untermensch about then in your previous ad hominem post?
      
      SB, you couldn’t have known, but quite a few of my forebears ended up in camps. **That’s** what implementation of an untermensch philosophy actually means… not castigating a community with a higher than average proportion of people who prefer to sponge off productive taxpayers while sitting on couches and collecting benefits and wearing racist jacket patches and mounting racist roadblocks etc.
      
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      May 28, 2020 11:27am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      You ought to stand as a Labour candidate in your electorate, one who can count to four is quite something.
      
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      May 28, 2020 1:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Personal attacks. The hallmark of a true loser.”
      
      Sorry simon, we have all seen heaps of personal attacks on posters from you. Seems you have a memory issue which probably explains your political leanings.
      
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      May 28, 2020 3:02pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why should Maori expect higher performance when their average IQ is 1 standard deviation below the NZ Euro population. That puts their average equal to the top of bottom 1/6 of the European NZedders.
  That’s not modifiable, nor can education fix it. They do have some high achievers but they are rarer.
  That make schooling to work level difficult. That is further compounded by the cultural practice that Polynesians of lower social status should not be seen to outshine their tribal betters.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:47am
  - Don Beckett
    
    And thanks to the idiots running the country at the moment, the charter schools which were giving/showing Maori so much promise and improvement were shut down.
    Another example of “kindness” from Silly Cindy.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:54am
    - Simon Gotlieb
      
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      “Silly Cindy”.
      
      More personal attacks from the usual ignorant old white boomers that proliferate this site. Thank god you lot are not long for this world.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:28am
      - Wangas Feral
        
        God that is a piece of shit thing to say. You will old soon enough and those who are kids now will be blaming you for everything.
        
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        May 28, 2020 10:23am
      - Nukuleka
        
        What, pray, does Simon mean by ‘you lot are not long for this world’? Does he have a master plan for the extermination of all ‘old white boomers’ with whom he disagrees? Very sinister.
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:03am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Just answer this re elective surgery: should a ‘white’ person with more urgent health needs be treated later than Maori and PI people with less urgent health needs?
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:23am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        What on earth makes you think I am white? you are not tall enough for this ride huh? If my mum was still with us she’d have a word or two with you about assumptions, and why she never had to buy us suntan lotion (which I learned at her knee was one of the advantages of not being wholly Caucasian 🙂 )
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:29am
      - Gravelroad
        
        “Simple Soiman” Ok then Simon?
        
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        May 28, 2020 12:14pm
  - Komata
    
    KevinO’B@0847
    
    You DO realise of course, by disclosing that somewhat ‘inconvenient’ fact, you are setting-yourself-up for accusations of ‘racism’; the NZ MSM’s currently-standard go-to when they can think of nothing else to use for vilification?
    
    That said facts are accurate does not, of course, fit the current narrative which is of the ‘The evil Whitey deprived me of my rights’ genre, and which deliberately chooses not to investigate anything which might upset the pre-ordained narrative.
    
    Sadly, such things are unlikely to change, since why alter things if they have proven to be winners?
    
    Thank you.
    
    PS: A point to consider: Observation indicates that the majority of ‘successful’ Maori have a European parent and are products of homes where ‘European’ culture and education are dominant; small but very important details which is also ‘conveniently’ ignored…
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:21am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I’m too old to be bothered by political social restraints. I also spent 7 years working in the Pacific and are fairly well schooled in some cultural matters.
      
      The point about a European parent is significant. That would help break the cultural no-no of not standing out (deliberate under achieving.)
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:42am
    - MCos
      
      What O’Brien writes writes falls within the very definition of racism.
      “ the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.”
      
      If you belief another race of people is inferior to your own, in this case Maori, you are racist.
      Add it to your CV.
      
      If you are a minority in many countries, as I was for many years, it’s the same thing. The dominant population consider themselves superior.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:58am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        MCos,
        
        Whereabouts did O’Brien use the magic word “all”?
        What do you know about standard deviations and averages?
        
        People who readily throw around the term “racist” when they hear something they don’t like tend to have a strong authoritarian streak and to see the world in black and white.
        
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        May 28, 2020 10:25am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        So now I’m curious. What about the fact that NBA has almost no European representation? Which race runs the fastest marathons? Why could a movie be successfully produced, directed, and exhibited with the title “White Men Can’t Jump?”
        
        Are there indeed no race-based advantages and disadvantages based on biology? and if there are indeed no race-based disadvantages based on biology, then why have two ethnic groups been prioritised for surgery by a district health board?
        
        Puzzles everywhere you look / sarc
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:32am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The idea of any humans being inferior to me is obnoxious. Some are differently abled and not to recognise that leads to problems. Different abilities lead to different life outcomes for all.
        
        Standardised IQ testing globally has discerned there are evident innate differences between population human groups on those tests. They were initially designed to measure the potential suitability for military assignment. They work now to show whether a person is likely to be able to achieve NCEA level 2. They are well proven in education and in expected work outcomes.
        
        The differences are interesting as they put the Chinese mean at the 105-110 level. That notch up from the Euro mean of 100 does show up in Chinese academic attainments. The Standard Deviation measures the variation from the central average. Two thirds of any group fall with 1 std devn. either side of the centre–so for Euro’s that 85-115.
        The lower level in that range are not likely to attain NCEA 2–that’s 1/6 of the Euro population but 1/2 of the Maori. We cannot brush it away by dropping the NCEA gradings, the inborn differences will still show up at the workface. Our work, education and social welfare systems need to recognise that and provide accordingly. Everyone needs and is deserving of a place.
        
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        May 28, 2020 1:13pm
    - david
      
      Yeah Komata, you just created another minority group for Hone Harawira (AKA John Hatfield) to identify with and complain about all the while blaming someone else other than his mother or himself.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:07am
      - Komata
        
        David@1007
        
        Actually no; I merely noted what I have observed to be the case.
        
        In Hone’s case it appears that any possible advantages from being European by ‘association’ have been effectively neutralised by his Mother and her ‘Maori’ (specifically Nghapui) perspective, to the extent that hers appears to have been the dominant culture / influence in the family home.
        
        The situation, if correct, woukd seem to seem to support to my observation, and would also seem to confirm the ( paraphrased) adage that ‘While you can take the boy out of the ( Maori) culture, you can’t take the ( Maori) culture out of the boy’.
        
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        May 28, 2020 6:33pm
  - Yvette
    
    The Government will spend $900 million in Budget 2020 to support whānau, hapū and iwi to deal with the fall-out of Covid-19.
    The package includes $400m on Māori education
    Employment Minister Willie Jackson has earlier indicated the Māori unemployment rate could end up being twice the rate of non-Māori.
    
    Also a key Māori investment from Budget 2020 is a total of just under $109m for the promotion of Māori language and culture
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12332066
    
    So that is another $509 million – just over half a billion – on Maori education.
    While two figures have never been seen, as far as I know, and I change anyone to produce them.
    For our over-all education can anyone say precisely –
    • how much is spent each year on the learning of, and promotion of Maori language
    (estimates range between $200 to $600 million a year, plus now an extra $109 million) and
    • how much did partnership schools, in millions, cost the Government, and so, the public?
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:33am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      This is fascinating.
      
      Despite the huge amount spent on promoting te reo, the proportion of Maori speaking the language continued its long decline up to the 2013 census.
      
      http://archive.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-social-indicators/Home/Culture and identity/maori-lang-speakers.aspx
      
      I tried to find the results of the 2018 census to check if the long decline in te reo speakers was continuing. All I found was this:!!!
      
      “The data in this indicator is no longer being updated.”
      
      So instead you get this from the 2018 census
      
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/te-kupenga-2018-provisional-english
      
      “Nearly 6 out of 10 (59 percent) Māori adults can understand, and slightly over half (51 percent) can speak more than a few words or phrases of Te reo Māori. Women were more likely than men to report that they speak, understand, read, and write Te reo Māori at least fairly well.”
      ___________________________
      
      So the 2018 data is not comparable to the time series on Maori language proficiency. The 2001, 2006, and 2013 censuses all measured conversational proficiency which has declined for at least 30 years. Now in 2018 all we get is data on the numbers of Maori who can “speak more than a few words” of the language. That could mean anything.
      
      It would be interesting to submit an OIA to discover who directed Stats New Zealand to change the methodology.
      
      As an aside, I have both public sector and private sector clients. Over the last three years the use of Maori customs, language, and ceremonies in the public sector has reached staggering proportions. I have witnessed rooms full of exclusively white professionals doing their waiata practice at full volume while people try to work around them. There are white professionals with exclusively Maori titles – they have no English translation. – and these are not in Maori focussed agencies – these are mainstream Government Ministries and departments.
      
      It is clear that many of these New Zealanders are coerced into these practices. Some have told me that it would be career damaging to refuse.
      
      I have no issues with anyone doing any of this, but I have no interest in learning the Maori language and hell will freeze over before I sing a waiata.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:28am
      - rangitoto
        
        ὦ ξεῖν’, ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
        κείμεθα τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
        
        See, I’m fluent in Greek
        
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        May 28, 2020 12:43pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        There would be very few non-academic-based speakers of Te Reo under the age of 65 who could use the language in a non-marae-setting exchange of ideas and information.
        
        When was the last time that Te Reo was used in a practical setting? For example:
        – Discussing of a business venture and how to raise capital
        – The booking of a vehicle for W.o.F. and to discuss a mechanical problem
        – The development of an educational program, including timelines, budgets and resource acquisition
        
        In theory, the terminology exists in a Te Reo dictionary, but have the words ever been used in practice?
        
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        May 28, 2020 12:52pm
      - Jack5
        
        The Maori language hasn’t got a show against English, the world language in science, business, diplomacy, popular entertainment, and many other fields.
        
        That’s probably why Radio NZ, TVNZ, and the rest of the Woke are trying to create an NZ Pidgin, littered with Maori terms — and macrons.
        
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        May 28, 2020 2:05pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “In theory, the terminology exists in a Te Reo dictionary, but have the words ever been used in practice?”
        
        If you go into a lunch room of a government department all the appliances have signs that tell you what they are called in Maori. In my view knowing the Maori name for “dishwasher” is totally useless, even for folk that do speak Maori.
        
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        May 28, 2020 2:07pm
      - artemisia
        
        After the 2018 census I was required to do the mandatory Maori survey. I assume that is used to augment the census proper. There were many many questions about the reo and kapa haka and some on tikanga. Plus questions about perceptions of certain state functions, carefully selected it seemed to me.
        
        My overriding impression was that the quite extensive survey had been created for, and probably by, those with a vested interest in obtaining funding for certain activities.
        
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        May 29, 2020 11:45am
  - namron
    
    In LIFE, we make choices – consciously and subconsciously – in living our lives.
    We then have to live with the consequences of these choices, whether positive or negative.
    We all [including Maori] have the same freedom to make these choices in their lives, and need to take responsibility, eve when a “choice” we have made does not work out well.
    It is worth considering various situations – eg the lockdown etc of the Covid-19 and follow-ons – and
    * notice the various decisions made
    * who made them
    * the results – positive and negative
    * reactions, blame, thanks etc from various groups
    
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    May 28, 2020 12:00pm
- Sofia
  
  It would seem to be a dirty betrayal when you read the Kelvin Davis link which Yvette provides.
  Kelvin Davis, himself the token Maori in the Labour line up, warning Maori off voting for the Maori Party who worked with National
  
  Then Labour’s Maori caucus own record is to stand aside and while the pakeha union, especially with Willie Jackson’s support, destroy the Maori education ‘taonga’, the partnership schools, which had enabled many Maori to develop beyond the miasma of those bad statistics, that Davis would use to his advantage.
  
  We have heard those enslaving poor social statistics endlessly, but how damning is it of Maori to attempt to use them against their own people?
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Tribalism–Maori can have allegiances outside political parties.
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:23pm
  - david
    
    Sofia, what ever did happen to Kelvin’s sworn undertaking to resign from Parliament if the Partnership Schools were disestablished?
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:57pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Plus what have those Maori in the Maori seats won for Maori?
  
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  May 29, 2020 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

Deputy Prime Minister Kelvin Davis is the stand-out in Labors front bench line-up 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY-KBhZUMAAXMul?format=jpg&name=900×900
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May 28, 2020 8:29am
- Tall Man
  
  Sleaze, sleazier and sleaziest.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:37am
- rangitoto
  
  A lot of palefaces there.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Is it just me, or is the background behind Kelvin a bit darker than the others?
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:04am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      They photoshop the living *f%&k* out of everything – none of those people are real.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:03am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Certainly not the smiles.
        
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        May 29, 2020 4:28pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Ironically, a picture of the NZ Herald staff was tweeted yesterday, and guess what…
    
    https://twitter.com/Thibaulvz/status/1265255341664743424
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:05am
    - Tall Man
      
      It’s not what you are, it’s what “identify” as.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:10am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I had some dark guy come up to me in a bar a while back, and asked if i had any Maori in me?
        When I said no, he asked me if I’d like some 🙁
        
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        May 28, 2020 9:37am
      - Tall Man
        
        I think I know that guy Maggie, was his name Maurice?
        
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        May 28, 2020 2:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        TBH, i didn’t even ask his name Tony, but he did say he lived in Northcote. That put me off immediately.
        Look, I wouldn’t want to be tooo hard on the guy, he may have just wanted to take me out for a meal and play footsie under the table 😛
        
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        May 28, 2020 3:47pm
    - Komata
      
      TonyS@0905
      
      ‘Look Ma’ no suntan’ would seem to be an appropriate (and accurate) response…
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:23am
    - graham
      
      I vaguely remember a few years back, when Rachel Smalley was on the 5 am shift at Newstalk ZB, filling the airwaves with her woke-ness and in particular calling for equality of the sexes, doing a mental tally of the presenters at the station. At that time from memory, it was something like this:
      
      Rachel Smalley
      Mike Hosking
      Leighton Smith
      Kerre McIvor
      Larry Williams
      Sports hour (can’t remember who, but pretty sure it was a guy)
      Marcus Lush
      
      So two females, five males, and every single one of them was a paleface. Funnily enough, I don’t recall Rachel ever pointing out that inconvenient truth about her employer.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:13am
      - Jack5
        
        Ah, Rachel Smalley the radio announcer who, after radio, got this post at Kiwibuild: general manager of stakeholder engagement and communications.
        
        Rachel Smalley, who flew to Europe and made perhaps the stupidest call of any pop. journalist: Europe, open your borders to the sea of Middle Easterners who want in. She made the call repeatedly, and with much emotion.
        
        Rachel Smalley, who then worked the NZ public on behalf of those millions who wanted to pour into the West. Her efforts led to an at-first resistant John Key doubling our refugee intake.
        
        What did the Smalley-blessed Middle Eastern refugee torrent into Europe do? It bust the European Union and gave new life to fascism in European countries.
        
        Has any NZ radio personality ever got anything more wrong?
        
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        May 28, 2020 2:15pm
      - Brian Marshall
        
        @Jack. Be hard pressed to think of anyone. I mean she confused the scientist Kepler with bullet proof Kevlar live on the radio. Dunning-Kruger effect in motion.
        
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        May 28, 2020 6:36pm
  - david
    
    spilt bleach
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:58pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Bleached arsehole?
      
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      May 29, 2020 4:34pm
- Scooter
  
  Weird, everyone is leaning left except Megan
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:09am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And to avoid any confusion, National’s PM in waiting, clarifies his own situation…
  
  https://twitter.com/Chris_Luxon/status/1265240018215251968
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not sure that’s a genuine account Maggie.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:21am
    - graham
      
      This tends to give it away:
      
      A privilege to be standing in the first class seat of a National lobotomy. Authorised by the parody accounts dept.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:06am
      - Tall Man
        
        I just flicked a glance but it didn’t seem kosher to me.
        
        Surely that’s not legal.
        
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        May 28, 2020 3:03pm
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Except, Maggie, that’s not the Labour front bench.
  
  More fake news from the not-so-bright ones at National HQ.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:30am
  - rangitoto
    
    True. The front bench is just Cindy and Robbo.
    
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    May 28, 2020 10:16am
- mandk
  
  One token brown bloke and two women.
  
  That’s really diverse.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:33am
- GT Build
  
  Where is the diversity in that photo – no indians not enough women and 1 token maori
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:04pm
Scooter

If a tangi was allowed in Dunedin for a Black Power member with over 50 attending during the lockdown (the police admitting that trying to stop it would make the situation worse) then every funeral should be given the same leniency. Or is there one rule for gangs?
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May 28, 2020 8:32am
- Tall Man
  
  Redundant question really.
  
  Of course there are different rules for drug dealers and purveyors of violence.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:48am
- alex Masterley
  
  You know the rule.
  All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    And in this case they are animals.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:08am
    - alloytoo
      
      They all aspire to Pighood.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:01am
- cmm
  
  Just refuse to be governed and you get away with anything in NZ.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope, you have to play TOW or wear a head scarf.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:08am
    - cmm
      
      Bugger, I knew there was some small print.
      
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      May 28, 2020 11:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Gangs fight when permission is denied.
  Why hasn’t the occupation of Ihumatao been policed properly? The Far North with its own civic rules too?
  
  Citizen is at stake through lack of enforcement.
  Now Maori are to get preference for surgery.
  Has Ardern R. instructed the Police that she is now in Command and that her feelingz are to be followed despite her lack of lawful power?
  
  Has there been a takeover at the very top?
  Has Elizabeth R. been effectively deposed as Queen of this realm by Ardern?
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:55am
- cmm
  
  Just imagine the stink if some white fullas had set up a road block and told the gangs to piss off home.
  
  Who would the cops have sided with? Who would they have lent their Police vests to?
  
  Answers on a postcard…
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:13am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    er – I imagine you’d be scraping those white boys off the road like a fried egg.
    
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    May 28, 2020 10:17am
    - cmm
      
      Are you saying the cultural organisations might respond with less than hugz?
      
      Naah, I don’t believe you! They hang out with Wally. They must be good guys.
      
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      May 28, 2020 1:56pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Totally incorrect oh Scoot, How Dare You (TM)!! There is not one rule just for gangs, there are many many rules just for gangs / sarc.
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:35am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The question is not if the funeral be allowed, but, which gang has the greater firepower?
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:40pm
Simon

Some “news organisations” are only worth $1. Would you use a tradesman or lawyer who was only worth $1?

How essential is a business that is only worth $1?
Unless of course that failed business provides value that is not economic but political.

Only Labour can obtain political value, at taxpayer expense, from a $1 business.
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May 28, 2020 8:37am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Sounds to me like the $1 doesn’t tell the story. What’s not been listed is whether or not the sale included taking on the debts of the former organisation, therefore it would actually cost a lot more than a dollar.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Stop it with those inconvenient facts.
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:42am
  - cmm
    
    So… all up it is still worth less than a dollar.
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:57pm
- projectman
  
  How essential is a business that is only worth $1?
  
  Absolutely essential, $50m says so.
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:08am
  - cmm
    
    Actually you wonder if it would be worth anything without the promise of a slice of the $50M.
    
    A bit like cows in the EU and Canada – they’re worth a bundle – not because of their productivity but because of all the subsidies you get if you own them.
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:59pm
Steve James

Six years in and my KiwiSaver including government contributions and no employer contributions has gained under 1%. Nothing to do with Coronavirus. It’s just back to where it was a year ago. It would have been OK if I had put in just $20.00 each week instead of $100-300.00. AMP are doing well out of it though. Worst of all my investments.
# Solar panels = 11+% pa net
# Peer to Peer lending = 11.3% gross
# Shares, mostly happy with those
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May 28, 2020 8:42am
- Tall Man
  
  Steve, I see the KiwiSaver as merely an “investment” to gain the govt credit. Previously there was employer relief so that was worth seeking as well so keep the contribution to the minimum required to maximise the govt input.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:06am
- amospicton
  
  11% net from solar panels???? If that was possible it would be a boom business. When 10 year bonds yield little over 0.5% that’s a sensationally high return.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:34am
  - Steve James
    
    Maybe you should put your 10 year bonds on your roof amospicton, heh! heh!.
    Check solar panels out (the PV kind), I recommend them in spite of the bad press. In March 2019 and then in September 2019 we generated over 700 free KWH each of those months. That’s Autumn and Spring sunshine in Canterbury.
    
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    May 28, 2020 12:22pm
- mandk
  
  Your Kiwisaver is with AMP?
  
  That explains everything. They are completely useless. Just about all their Kiwisaver funds have performed well below the class averages during the past 3, 5 and 10 years
  
  I transferred from AMP to Milford about 6 years ago.
  
  It only took about 30 minutes to arrange the switch, and the results have been spectacular.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:41am
  - Steve James
    
    Thanks mandk. I was hoping for some honest advice.
    Cheers
    
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    May 28, 2020 12:30pm
    - mandk
      
      Steve,
      
      If you want to compare the performance of different Kiwisaver funds, just google Morningstar Kiwisaver Survey.
      
      I am sure you will find many options better than AMP.
      
      If you decide to switch, the provider you want to switch to will make it very easy for you.
      
      All the best.
      
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      May 28, 2020 2:11pm
      - Steve James
        
        Roger that, thanks heaps mandk. Have a great day.
        
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        May 28, 2020 2:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Many years ago I put with AMP some large six figure pension that I had earned as we did not need at the time for various reasons.
    It went into a balanced fund highly recommended by a certain Wellingt0n Sunday newspaper financial writer.
    Share $1.79, under tax agreement it could not be withdrawn for 5 years.
    Sold out after the time at $1.25.
    Managers took their fees every quarter also, like Kiwisaver which I would never touch.
    It is only the Managers who make money.
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:57pm
I remember when

Is Cinders a “be kind” PM?
A “Bee kind” PM. The queen bee without which the hive ceases to function.
A “B* kind” PM?
Or a “B kind” PM? As opposed to a “C” or “D” kind.
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May 28, 2020 8:44am
I remember when

Once again we get a National lite problems with the caucus story leading TV3 News. Plenty of opinions as to what may or may not be happening.
Oh No! Not a Committee keeping an eye on what the other parties are doing going into the Election. Sure to be a dirty tricks. Confirmation by Cinders that she didn’t do that last Election and will not this time. Holding her mouth right in case the wind changed.
Then the real new about business and the economy.
Followed by a very lightly interviewed Winston on how they wanted to move to Level 1. Not much opinion offered here.
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May 28, 2020 8:51am
- Hapuku
  
  Someone in National has got a big mouth – obviously not someone concerned about winning the election. If Simon is bitter then too bad, he needs to put his big boy pants on and at least try to present a united front (along with his supporters). If it was a point of principle they were upset about then it would be understandable but this is just white-anting.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:33am
Tony Stuart

Tova O’Brien has accused National of setting up an “investigations unit” to run “black ops” during the election campaign.

She’s clearly forgotten Mike Williams…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/vote-08/news/695248/Labour-trawls-for-Key-smear
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May 28, 2020 8:52am
- alex Masterley
  
  Tony,
  I wonder if she has ever head of Tony Williams.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:55am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Pot calling the kettle black. “Black Ops” are standard Labour fare. Their bully teams work largely underground.
  National is going to need to take the fight to Labour the same way.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:59am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    So far underground that they are actually only known of to a select group of right wing conspiracy theorists.
    
    National are going to try a repeat of 2014 dirty tricks campaign, and it’s going to blow up in their faces, as it rightfully should.
    
    If you can’t campaign on your own merits, and instead have to resort to trying to dig dirt on your opponents, it just proves you don’t have what it takes to govern.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:33am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You should have been around for the 1975 season. It hasn’t changed. I write from experience.
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:47am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      ??? The 2014 dirty tricks campaign?
      
      You mean when a Left aligned author took stolen private information and drew multiple evidenceless theories out of that information to make unsubstantiated accusations against National?
      
      The same author that admitted to Uni students that he threatened journalists that they would be outed if they ever worked with the right again?
      
      The same year Labour used “Vote Positive” as their campaign before the book came out, showing they were in league with Hager?
      
      The same year Corin Dann broadcast to everyone that the Greens were looking to do a deal with National right before Labour did their “Only a Party vote for Labour” campaign?
      
      The dirty politics of that year was almost solely from the left. Sorry.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:02am
- MrTips
  
  She better be careful someone doesn’t set an investigation unit to study her actions and motives.
  What, freedom of the press?
  
  Absolutely, but we don’t want PRavda either. Dan Rather, Carol Hirschfeld.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:10am
- oldfella
  
  So the PM has denied she will run any kind of black ops campaign against National. But Labour will obviously research the opposition. The same way the All Black’s research opposition teams to identify weaknesses. Does this mean she is being slippery in her response? Pity we don’t have any competent journalists (non-fan boys/girls) to grill her on this.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Attaboy Tony, straight to the whataboutism.
  Couldn’t you at least stick to Brownlee’s claim that it’s ‘not espionage’?
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:48am
- Paulus
  
  Tova talking to JLR again – what has he got on her ?
  
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  May 28, 2020 1:59pm
cmm

Great to see the missing trampers out alive and all that. Far better than bringing bodies home.

But no PLBs! This should have been a non-event.

They are getting praise for being well equipped and doing the right thing: yes they were and they did, except, again for not taking PLBs.

What should have been a $50 PLB hire down at an outdoor store turned into countless hours of search and rescuers’ time and taxpayers paying huge costs for helicopters. 50 or so rescuers were inconvenienced, gave up week ends and put their lives at risk.

This is not the 1980s any more. PLBs are cheap to rent, buy or borrow. They make work far easier and safer for the rescuers. To not carry a PLB shows gross disregard for the life of others.

Please people, do the right thing. Even if you don’t care about your own safety at least consider the safety of the search and rescue people.
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May 28, 2020 8:53am
- alex Masterley
  
  CMM, I had written those two off as dead, given the time that they had been missing. I cannot agree more about the need for the locator beacon. It would saved alot of volunteer hours and professional hours.
  
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  May 28, 2020 8:57am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Interestingly, I’ve just heard on the Magic FM 9am news that the issue of them going out for a tramp during Alert Level 3 is “neither here nor there”.
    
    Wasn’t the reason restrictions were put in place in the first place so that people weren’t put at risk going to the aid of those who needed it? Whilst I’m pleased the young couple was found, I hope they make a donation towards at least one of the organisations that came to their assistance.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:11am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There are some calls for them to be prosecuted. I’m not sure that is warranted, but it was a clear example of why those restrictions were in place. No one wanted to mount large SAR operations during a lock-down.
      
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      May 28, 2020 11:50am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’m not one of those calling for a prosecution mikenmild, but some remorse for the situation they found themselves in, which was entirely of their own making, wouldn’t go amiss.
        
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        May 28, 2020 12:23pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “CMM, I had written those two off as dead”
    
    Me too. As the price came down I decided to buy a beacon about a year ago. I mostly do day tramps these days, but usually alone, and it is still easy to break an ankle late in the day with nobody else on the track.
    
    These two were going on a complex tramp off track, and in remote and difficult terrain. The search and rescue would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. A beacon should have been an obvious inclusion in their gear.
    
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    May 28, 2020 2:12pm
- Michael NZ
  
  No PLB, they should be charged and it made public so everyone is warned.
  No PLB, you will be charged.
  
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  May 28, 2020 5:15pm
DeepBlue

Is it true that a major political reporter is married to Jacinda’s bodyguard? The two being besties? This is from a completely unsubstantiated comment elsewhere so a genuine question.

Yesterday someone here hinted at Tova going home to sleep with a well connected person.
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May 28, 2020 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  TVNZ’s Jessica Mutch married Iain McKay – Ardern’s bodyguard.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/106763343/tvnzs-jessica-mutch-shares-wedding-details
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:27am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    During the lockdown she’s the one that Jacinda kept going to whenever she was asked a hard question by someone else.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:55am
    - MrTips
      
      And there was a shitfest at TVNZ when Mutch got the politics job ahead of Vance and other actually more qualified folk.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      Planned the night before.
      
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      May 28, 2020 4:20pm
- MrTips
  
  Tova’s married to the drummer of a NZ metal band, Nathan Hickey. Her family upbringing was anything but conventional. Google it.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:20am
  - MCos
    
    I had a very conventional upbringing, so listen to me – fuckit!
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:57am
I remember when

In case you missed Question Time yesterday and, of course, it wasn’t newsworthy.
Cinders (it’s not about the economy) being questioned by Todd about matters economic.
Went okay for a while remembering her briefing notes. Then getting into her usual fluster because she does not really know the answer.
So it took three (Wood, Hipkins and Winston) to get questions in to rescue her (partially).
No National performed well on TV3 obviously Tova doesn’t understand the economy either.
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May 28, 2020 9:04am
Durden

Well finally a few people are questioning blind adoration and loyalty and fear and over reaction.

Norway is having second thoughts about lockdown especially if a second wave occurs.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-19-update-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid-says-norway

WHO stupidity and global group think (driven by faulty Imperial College model and Tedros’ compromised advice) shows failure of central top down models in responding to threats like a pandemic. One size solution does not fit all, as the contrast between island nations and nations with many land b9rders, heavily populated versus lightly populated countries etc. Time to kill off the agreement that gives dictatorial powers to WHO during pandemic and reduce its role to a small central information repository which comes with a “EXPERTS AT WORK – USE PRODUCTS WITH CAUTION” disclaimer.
https://thespectator.info/2020/05/21/how-fear-groupthink-drove-unnecessary-global-lockdowns/

India (low deaths), USA (high deaths) and other countries have basically given up on lockdown after 2-3 months and have accepted the inevitability of higher infection numbers. Their cost of lockdown is yet to be estimated. In time somebody will look to reasons for the variance in deaths and find a balance between letting nature do its job rather than expensive interventions.

NZ’s own lockdown logic is being questioned. We know the cost to be at least $50B of known figures, unknown amount of hidden debts, and yet more to come. The Kiwiblog post today about the article in The Australian is a good hard look at Jacinda’s achievements. I would use the analogy of Jacinda Piper leading her dumb adoring masses off the economic cliff. She thinks she’s got this. Instead this has got her.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/05/the_australian_says_the_nz_govt_is_pushing_the_economy_off_a_cliff.html
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May 28, 2020 9:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  She’s got her commie stranglehold through creating fear.
  Is that Government or subversion?
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:00am
- MCos
  
  America, the biggest economy in the world has lost one hundred thousand to Covid-19 plus more than thirty million newly unemployed and eye watering federal dept. On top of that God knows how many will have been burdened with crushing healthcare expenses.
  The epidemic is far from over in that country.
  Our economy is taking a battering and dark clouds are looming, but the health crisis is in remission, which is vital for our tourism industry.
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:13pm
lifesgood

Labour screeching about the lack of diversity in the National line up. What a joke. They think having Kelvin Davis is a good thing? They have to keep him in witless protection all the time because he’s a liability.
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May 28, 2020 9:09am
- burt
  
  The good thing about this is that when the Maori Party start campaigning again all the media will be thrashing them for their lack of diversity and their race based policies.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:21am
  - Komata
    
    burt@0921
    
    ‘Yeah, right’!!
    
    If you believe that, the Auckland Harbour Bridge is cheap at half the price, and the sound of crickets chirping will be deafening….
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:29am
    - burt
      
      It’s not like we have apartheid in NZ …..
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300013258/medical-school-who-gets-in-and-why
      
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      May 28, 2020 9:56am
      - igm
        
        Burt: What about this racist shit>?
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121640802/mori-and-pasifika-given-priority-in-elective-surgery-waitlists
        This being funded by those at the end a queue they fund by paying over 88% of NZ taxes.
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:04am
      - kowtow
        
        Law school too.
        
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        May 28, 2020 11:20am
      - Komata
        
        burt@0956
        
        Except that despite the application of immense amounts of (Whitey) cash, those who through their own choices, make themselves ‘separate’ are not being ‘developed’.
        
        It doesn’t stop them demanding more of course, or from developing a massively-overblown sense of entitlement (at Whitey’s expense)…
        
        Just saying.
        
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        May 28, 2020 12:51pm
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s not going to happen. Don’t forget, hate speech has been banned and only people of colour are allowed to say racist stuff.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:47am
    - Komata
      
      Nick2@0947
      
      You’ve noticed that too; and how upset they get when this is pointed out!!
      
      Corporal Jones’ comment comes to mind in such situations…
      
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      May 28, 2020 12:54pm
  - oldfella
    
    Burt is taking the p*ss. Needed /sarc on the end.
    
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    May 28, 2020 10:41am
burt

* South Africa 1990 – access to hospitals no longer based on race.
* NZ 2020 – hold my beer.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121640802/mori-and-pasifika-given-priority-in-elective-surgery-waitlists
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May 28, 2020 9:17am
- cmm
  
  Heck, even 1948 South Africa didn’t do that.
  
  Sure, South Africa had separate hospital facilities for different races in most areas (it never really took off in Cape Town where all races were treated in Groote Schuur hospital).
  
  However, there were always facilities for all. The apartheid regime even built Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto – the biggest hospital outside of China.
  
  And no, I am not schilling for apartheid.
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Separate, but by no means equal, for all.
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:52am
    - burt
      
      That lack of equality in South Africa was a bad thing right?
      
      (asking because it’s apparently a good thing here)
      
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      May 28, 2020 12:48pm
    - Komata
      
      MM@1152
      
      You’ve obviously had no experience of Maori inter-tribal politics then..!
      
      (Just saying).
      
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      May 28, 2020 12:56pm
    - cmm
      
      And?
      
      All your smugness about equality etc is only because you do not have to suffer the consequences and put your ideology ahead of people’s lives.
      
      Go ask the people standing in the 3km food queue in Centurion what they’re rather have: food or the vote?
      
      Little hint: Less than half of black people in SA bother voting, but most eat a few times a day (except in more recent times).
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ0v_Sgg1Wk
      
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      May 28, 2020 2:05pm
  - burt
    
    Maybe we should be schilling for apartheid, then we’d at least know what the rules are and if it’s even worth moving out of the way of the train while we stand on the level crossing lamenting that we once lived in a fair country which at least pretended to have one rule for all.
    
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    May 28, 2020 12:04pm
Happychappy

While I agree there should be no smoking in cars with children as passengers, I have to wonder how long it will take for the Prime Minister and the Minister Jenny Salesa to call for a nark squad from the public to police it.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/ban-on-smoking-in-cars-to-protect-children-passed-into-law.html
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May 28, 2020 9:20am
- cmm
  
  This is another “do something, anything” feelz goodz exercise.
  
  When was the last time you saw someone pinged for using a cellphone while driving?
  
  Policing smoking in a vehicle is near to impossible and nobody will do anything about it after a few weeks.
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Probably a law change that is more of a signal to better behaviour than something that can be effectively policed.
    While some might say a law that can’t be well enforced is useless, the reality is that there are all sorts of laws that serve as signals for socially endorsed behaviour rather than activities that will be punished by the state.
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:56am
    - Blackface Twin Reverb
      
      You mean like how the repeal of S59 was supposed to stop babies and toddlers getting their heads smashed in?
      
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      May 28, 2020 1:59pm
    - cmm
      
      No, laws are a crap way to signal good behaviour. They erode morality.
      
      The only arbiter of good is the law and what you can get away with. Not good.
      
      What next? Make it a law to do other good things like hold the door open for oldies?
      
      That’s what leads to stupid actions like that of SBW when he puts his kids in a car seat here but not on the islands because there is no law requiring it on the Islands.
      
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      May 28, 2020 2:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      What piffle.
      
      There wouldn’t be a parent in the country that truly thinks smoking in an enclosed space with kids is a good idea.
      
      It’s just a virtue signal that has already had pushback complaining that it targets maori unfairly and is a first step in criminalising innocent people.
      
      “Police will be able to issue fines of up to $50, however this will not come into effect for 18 months.”
      
      “The bill also includes an exemption for people smoking in vehicles that are used as dwellings.”
      
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      May 28, 2020 4:16pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        None of those under Labour covid.
        
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        May 29, 2020 5:08pm
Akarak

More evidence that she treats us like children!!

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says people won’t have to wait “too long” for a transtasman travel bubble, with a draft blueprint covering all aspects potentially ready within a week.
She wouldn’t say when the bubble might open, but the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Tourism has an aspirational timeframe to have transtasman flights by July 1.
“We are saying that New Zealand travel will definitely commence on July 1 ” chamber chair John Hart told 7NEWS in Australia.
– NZ HERALD, MAY 27

The plan for a ‘Trans-Tasman bubble’ to allow Australians and New Zealanders to travel between the two countries could be presented to both governments as early as next week, and could be operational by September, the expert working group behind the proposal has said.
– THE GUARDIAN, MAY 27

So who do we believe?

The final date wouldn’t have anything to do with an election in September would it?
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May 28, 2020 9:22am
- burt
  
  Do you think the airlines will do what is right and give booking priority to Maori & Pacific Islanders?
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:35am
  - Scott
    
    Burt – I think they will. If they are going to be consistent they need to give booking priority to Maori people.
    I see that Maori people are getting priority in waiting for operations. Obviously Maori people are more deserving than white people to get surgery?
    Also we note that Maori people can set up roadblocks and block access to certain parts of New Zealand.
    So Maori people get first turn at healthcare, can set up their own tribal areas which they can police themselves. So it makes sense to give them priority access to everything including overseas travel.
    
    Who can disagree with this? 🙂
    
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    May 28, 2020 10:08am
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      Scott@1008
      
      Re: ‘Who can disagree with this’?
      
      John Minto?
      
      (But communist that he is, he won’t)
      
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      May 28, 2020 1:00pm
    - Sacha
      
      “If they are going to be consistent they need to give booking priority to Maori people.”
      – but they will have to turn up to their various pre-surgery appointments. You can’t walk in off the street to get your bypass . . . . . . yet.
      
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      May 28, 2020 6:57pm
  - cmm
    
    Well Oz has got a lot of priority exports that they have not been able to process for the last few weeks…
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      Deportees?
      
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      May 28, 2020 4:09pm
  - rangitoto
    
    No doubt the Iranian overstayer will be allowed at the front of the queue.
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Only for the deportees coming out of Oz!
    
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    May 28, 2020 4:08pm
- Akarak
  
  SYDNEY MORNING HERALD
  May 27, 2020
  The travel industry group working on a “Trans-Tasman bubble” says it will present plans to open travel between Australia and New Zealand to both governments early next month, with flights set to resume as early as September.
  
  Further evidence that JA’s will use this announcement in a cynical attempt to attract votes.
  The only problem for Labour is that more Kiwis will most likely use the opening of the ‘bubble’ to leave than the other way around.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:51am
  - artemisia
    
    Don’t forget the New Zealanders over the ditch who have lost their jobs but don’t qualify for welfare there much if at all, but qualify here no worries.
    
    The locals ones who leave New Zealand will have job offers and take their skills with them.
    
    Can’t see those trends contributing to tax revenue here.
    
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    May 28, 2020 12:55pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Has Ardern any clues? Aus. is in ferment with each of the states enforcing their own rules about State borders. They are locking out neighbouring states and ruling about others. Morrison at present is powerless against State Governors.
  We may get visiting rights to Tasmania, but elsewhere?
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:58am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Hopefully Morrison says good to go now and Jacinda will be shown up for the control freak she is when she says but we’re not ready, the children haven’t had their bedtime story.
  
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  May 29, 2020 5:16pm
Inandout

Paul Goldsmith is the opening video, so that is to soften you up.
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May 28, 2020 9:23am
- stigie
  
  Please don’t be racist Inandout..? //
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:10am
Tony Stuart

An open message to whichever National MP (or MP’s) is leaking information to Tova O’Brien and other media; please desist immediately.

Thousands of members of the National Party, myself included, put in countless hours of their own time into supporting you, and every other National MP. All of us want National to win the upcoming General Election, but your selfishness and disloyalty is putting that at risk.

On behalf of those members, please pull your head in. Even if you don’t like that change of leadership, that’s how democracy works, and if you don’t like it, feel free to piss off. The National Party was here before you, and it will be here for a long time after you have left Parliament. The National Party has always been far more important than any individual. Get in behind the new leadership, and pull your weight, instead of behaving like a spoiled, entitled child.

Yours sincerely
Tony
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May 28, 2020 9:24am
- Steve James
  
  Well put Tony. Traitors are invariably cowards who change narratives to make themselves look good. Their problem is they are usually unaware that we can see through that. They are sad twats!
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:28am
- brett68
  
  Who was most affected by the change in leadership apart from Bridges?
  Who’s looking likely to be out of a job in September?
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:50am
  - MCos
    
    Not Ardern, the way things are going.
    
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    May 28, 2020 10:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Beware also of COL activists in disguise as disgruntled National supporters. That has been going on all year.
  
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  May 28, 2020 9:50am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yes, they must think we are thick when Muhamad from Zanzibar, a life long National voter, says he will be voting Labour this year. Good for a laugh if nothing else.
    
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    May 28, 2020 9:57am
    - burt
      
      He might vote national if they introduce laws to make woman cover their heads and restrict them from working, driving or having a bank account.
      
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      May 28, 2020 10:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      He just may be if ardern and less galloway get their way.
      
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      May 28, 2020 4:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Oh dear, for someone with so much political experience, Tony, so seem to have little idea how political parties actually work. For any aspiring politician, their principal opponents are never in other parties. An MP’s bitterest opponents will always be his or her rivals for promotion and, eventually, leadership.
  This is not a shot at National, btw, it’s just how all political parties work.
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:59am
- Paulus
  
  Tova talking to JLR again – what has he got on her ?
  
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  May 28, 2020 2:06pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Himself?
    
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    May 28, 2020 3:50pm
Bobba Fret

I think Muller moves his arms around too much when being interviewed. Is that a nervous thing?
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May 28, 2020 10:01am
- Tall Man
  
  Containing his desire to reach out and slap the wanker …………….
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:49pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Compared to whom?
  
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  May 29, 2020 5:20pm
Bobba Fret

Poor old Ryan Bridge getting hate mail after asking about Jacinda dyeing her hair.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/a-television-host-says-hes-getting-hate-mail-for-asking-new-zealand-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-if-her-hair-is-going-grey/ar-BB14FJh5?ocid=spartanntp
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May 28, 2020 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  BF, the Jacinda luvvies are rather like worker bees:
  Worker Bee-
  ‘Worker bees are female but are not capable of reproducing. They do all the work in the hive, and they control most of what goes on inside. Their jobs include housekeeping, feeding the queen, drones and larvae, collecting the pollen and nectar, and making the wax. Because they work so hard, during the busy season worker bees live for only about six weeks’.
  Of course Jacinda Bees live rather longer than six weeks, they live for her re-election. The drones are the school children who must be fed propaganda so they turn into good socialists and keep the hive humming. Every now and again a viral disease that causes honey bees to suffer severe trembling turns up, as witnessed when Trump was sworn in as President. But to counter this a Covid19 appears, the trembling stops and the Queen protection resumes in earnest.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ah.. what happens if our Colony loses its Queen?
    
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    May 28, 2020 1:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I hear there’s another queen in waiting 😉
      
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      May 28, 2020 3:47pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Response of the day!
        
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        May 28, 2020 10:54pm
- burt
  
  Meanwhile Lilla Hare gets cheered on for making a comment about bleach when discussing the National party.
  
  All animals are equal comrade.
  
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  May 28, 2020 10:52am
  - stigie
    
    National could have 7 or 8 Maori in their top 10.
    Nothing would be said or anyone outraged by that, they would be there on their fucking merit, not fucking race !~
    Labour Party and the media need to pull their heads in !~
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:02am
  - kowtow
    
    And no condemnation of this.
    
    ‘with the committee chair Labour’s Deborah Russell chipping in calling it “a white girl comment – crikey”. ‘
    
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    May 28, 2020 11:28am
I remember when

How much, in total, is spent on providing relief to the poor and if money is the total answer why isn’t it working.
One of the amounts that is almost never mentioned and, in fact, isn’t really know is the amount of money that is given indirectly. Be it school meals by charitable organisations, free food distribution charities, dinner meals provided by churches and social groups and even money dropped in hats on the street.
As well as this large amounts of time are given to assist the needy – social contact, advice, transport, etc.
Is the problem that too often this help is delivered in isolation without helping the ongoing problems.
Do we need to start supporting at birth and continue throughout schooling and job seeking to overcome the inherent problems associated with low (no) expectations.
The poor/needy all too often seem to become users and dependent on the help, rather than able to use it to get to a better place.
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May 28, 2020 10:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Lack of money is not the issue, lack of education and or intelligence is.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Just as it is every alcoholics dream to own a bar, so it is every socialist dream to command an economy”
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May 28, 2020 10:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Research has found that when you introduce some idea with the phrase “research has found” people will accept it unquestionably.
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May 28, 2020 10:18am
pseudonymous

Simon-I agree-Comrade Cindy is not silly.
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May 28, 2020 10:36am
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets…..

https://twitter.com/McgeeClicks/status/1265769463174926337
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May 28, 2020 10:56am
surfing

Ha ha this stupid person goes on about how people are too easily outraged, then goes on to express her outrage over the Mullers maga cap.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121641215/the-maga-hat-is-gone-but-important-questions-remain

Muller is off to a terrible start though. He is a bit of a clown if he cannot navigate the simple issue of a maga hat.
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May 28, 2020 11:02am
- Tall Man
  
  He’s certainly lost his “media” virginity very fast.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:44pm
Frank the tank

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300022305/adrian-orr-open-to-creating-even-more-money-but-wont-move-on-bank-capital-changes

FFS we now have a reserve bank governor actively encouraging money printing.
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May 28, 2020 11:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

I can’t say Adrian Orr inspires confidence

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300022299/cracks-appear-in-coalition-as-adrian-orr-warns-of-further-pain
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May 28, 2020 11:03am
- Frank the tank
  
  Worst reserve bank governor ever….
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:05am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah well anyone who gobs off about Tane Mahuta ……
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:47am
- Tall Man
  
  I “what’s in it for wynston” actually gave a shit he’d side with Todd and National and force through an amendment to the current legislation that the two dicks (bloomfield and ardern) are operating under.
  
  And for the lefty snowflakes, I meant dictators.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:41pm
chaos

Now if he would just comment on race based preference for operations

* A sign telling cafe employees to speak English “at all times” has received widespread vitriol on social media for its “racist” undertones – yet New Zealand’s race relations commissioner says the owner of the Auckland eatery acted “reasonably”.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2020/05/auckland-cafe-s-sign-telling-employees-to-speak-english-taken-out-of-context-race-relations-commissioner.html
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May 28, 2020 11:05am
- alex Masterley
  
  A law professor I know had a hissy fit when she heard about the sign and decided to eat else where. I hope she reconsiders the wisdom that action.
  
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  May 28, 2020 2:27pm
Unity

A position on the front bench or a portfolio should come down solely to competence with nothing else being considered. Diversity will come naturally if they are competent but shouldn’t be a consideration at all. Just competence!! This can’t be stressed enough.
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May 28, 2020 11:07am
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12335374

How can you face down something that hasn’t fully happened yet? Afraid to say we have reached peak stupid as a country………..
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May 28, 2020 11:10am
- chaos
  
  We faced it down and we won, it’s just the Great Depression 2.5 is currently hitting, the Great Depression 2.0 has been hitting since Cindy and Winston said “I do”
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:50pm
Maggie Pie

Ethnic diversity? Not a token Paheka in sight 🙁

https://www.facebook.com/MaoriParty
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May 28, 2020 11:23am
- chaos
  
  Not true, if you notice their logo to the left it is a big white pakeha circle around the word Maori……..
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:49pm
Unity

Has anyone noticed that Facebook comments are being monitored or checked on?!! Quite a number of times I’m finding a note at the end of a topic saying something like ‘Admin has temporarily stopped comment on this subject’ – usually something criticising Labour. Has Jacinda put filters on Facebook or something? If so this is terrible and is there anything we can we do about it?
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May 28, 2020 11:33am
- Inandout
  
  Unity yes there is something you can do about it; don’t frequent FB.
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Block Labour. Solved. When they use a different IP or VPN, drop a pornhub link.
  They learn quick
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:28pm
- chaos
  
  Sound alike you are in a group or a page that has to approve messages, if so that is nothing to do with Facebook but whoever runs that page or group.
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Black ops.
  
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  May 28, 2020 1:42pm
Cobolt24

The number of Kiwis in employment fell by a record 37,500 in April:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121653300/employment-fell-by-record-37500-in-april
This is with the wage subsidy still in place, and that’s only April.
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May 28, 2020 11:36am
Blackface Twin Reverb

Journalist man-handled off Trudeau residence (where he give his daily briefing).

https://youtu.be/quLkAj5fYUE

Are Cindy & Justin Castro racing to see who can be the CCP’s little bitch the fastest?
Our Cindy was first on the fully semi-automatic military assault weapon and anything that kinda looks like one ban, but sock-boy looks to be winning on the media buyout
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May 28, 2020 11:46am
cmm

The dollar-shop news site proving yet again that it is overpriced…

So USA is the worsest! Must be cozza Drumpf!

No mention that what really matters is that USA is a very large country and the “score” that matters is deaths per million. In reality USA is still doing way better than almost all of Europe.

Why not kick Macron in the balls or Sophie Wilmès in the cuddly?

Even withing USA, most of the problems are in NY. NY has approx 20x the death rate of the rest of USA and that is mainly down to NY incompetence – nothing to do with the federal government.

Pull NY out of the equation and USA death rates drop remarkably.

The writers feel (??based on what??) this 100k number is undercounting, yet almost all serious analysis suggests that USA, especially NY, deaths are way overcounted.

Friggen useless fearmongers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300022583/cornavirus-100000-deaths-in-us-from-covid19
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May 28, 2020 11:59am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is TЯumpy still threatening to move his convention if North Carolina won’t promise to lift its meeting restrictions?
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:08pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t know mikey, I think you have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit.
    
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    May 28, 2020 3:35pm
- kevn
  
  @cmm… Belgium holds the record at 800 deaths per million v/s USA at 300 deaths per million.
  Germany the poster child success has 100 deaths per million.
  Never hear a peep about Belgium from the (bought) MSM
  
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  May 28, 2020 1:07pm
- Jules99
  
  It amazes me how many I know are falling for it. Disaster in the US and it’s all Trump’s fault.
  
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  May 28, 2020 2:08pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  In the cuddly? Now that is a cute euphemism.
  
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  May 29, 2020 5:58pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  The same way they count votes?
  
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  May 29, 2020 6:01pm
mandk

I see Golriz Gharahman is lending her political support to the visa over stayer Boochani.

If she has rendered him support in any other way she has committed an offence under the Immigration Act.

Boochani has offers of refuge in both the USA and PNG. He has no need or reason to be in NZ and he should be put on the first available plane out of here.
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May 28, 2020 12:07pm
- burt
  
  Maybe he’s staying here trying to get a conviction for drug dealing so he can get citisenship ?
  
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  May 28, 2020 12:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  According to Shane Jones, the Christian thing to do with folks who are not entitled to stay in NZ is to send them back from whence they came.
  
  “There is a humanitarian duty upon me as a minister. Something akin to having a Christian disposition towards the struggle that a lot of the migrants find themselves in right now.
  
  “My overarching feeling is that they should go home. And if it’s possible for us to assist them to go home then that to me is a very Christian thing to do.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/05/26/1203591/going-christian-on-migration
  
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  May 28, 2020 1:30pm
mandk

And in other news, unemployment increased by a record 37,500 in April, according to StatsNZ.

The May figures are going to look horrific.
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May 28, 2020 12:09pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Will we see any, let alone a massaged one?
  
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  May 29, 2020 6:09pm
Swifty

“I am awake. What does the Motherland require of me?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyhRHdySJs
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May 28, 2020 12:24pm
JackRabbit

cmm, like you I have never been comfortable way in which Covid-19 stats are falsely presented. Either in comparative data, or in context.

The media can minimise or maximise the fear quotient, thereby dictating public opinion, which charlatan government leaders, such as Communist Comrade Ardern, or the socialist factions in the USA can use to further their totalitarian objectives.

The following from a US citizen in Illinois:

“{ Consider these two newspaper headlines:

“U.S. leads the world’s Covid-19 death toll with 101,127 deaths and 1.7 million cases”

“Only 0.51% of U.S. population infected with Covid-19, cancer kills 6 times as many people as Covid-19″

Both statements are factually correct but will likely invoke very different emotions in the reader. Yet neither paints an accurate picture of the current situation that, unfortunately, is vastly more complex. But yet it’s precisely those types of headlines I have observed over the last few weeks – newspapers seem to enjoy focusing on the number of people who passed away. The otherwise fairly good web site of the Illinois Department of Health doesn’t show how many people are currently infected with Covid-19, it only shows the total number of infections since they started keeping track. }”

The article itself is worth reading.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/covideral-damage-ingmar-koecher/?trackingId=si65iJ4DSJOEKKkcyNny%2BA%3D%3D
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May 28, 2020 12:36pm
I remember when

Can’t wait to get down to Level 1 so that I can pop over and apologise to the neighbour for narking on them when they had more than 10 over when his mother died.
We’ll probably have a great old laugh and a couple of beers.
He will probably so “No! No! it was my fault for breaking the rules and thank me for stopping the spread on covid-19. In fact I owe you an apology for screaming over the fence and saying some rather unkind things. If you hadn’t reported me who knows what might have happened”.
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May 28, 2020 12:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sounds like Trump will ‘double down’ tomorrow.
Twitter using CNN and Washington Post as fact checkers LOL!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-trump-will-sign-executive-order-social-media?fbclid=IwAR05wWwig5GYPguBvcVanW_01XHR8dZ5qAu0Cd5-27TSSB81kZ_v5hMgEec
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May 28, 2020 12:39pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Two hikers rescued after 19 days when from the look of the Anatori area on the map it is impossible to get more than 10km from roads to east or west, and the hills in that area are all covered in bush, up to about 30° slopes and max about 1200m tall. You could crawl 10km in a day. So this seems incredibly incompetent, or something is missing from the story. Am I missing something?
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May 28, 2020 12:45pm
kevn

96 yo dies… of…. the virus. The family say.
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May 28, 2020 1:02pm
- chaos
  
  Or more the point she had the virus and despite having negatives and being told she had recovered, she never did recover from it.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/05/coronavirus-no-new-cases-of-covid-19-in-new-zealand5.html
  
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  May 28, 2020 2:19pm
chaos

*Fetal Trafficking Under Oath – Planned Parenthood’s Admissions About Baby Parts Sales*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgUULMCzm8c&feature=emb_logo
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May 28, 2020 1:06pm
- lifesgood
  
  Who’s surprised. After all, the beautifully formed, whole baby is only disposable tissue. sarc.
  
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  May 28, 2020 5:04pm
Maggie Pie

Maybe a little off topic – but does anyone know what has happened to ‘Duracell’ batteries?
These black Panasonic ones don’t last anywhere near as long 🙁
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May 28, 2020 1:11pm
- Tall Man
  
  Get a plug in one Maggie. You can’t beat the buzz of 240 volts …….. I’m told 😉
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:30pm
- oldfella
  
  Maggie P, are you suggesting black ones are not as good? What are you? A closet, racist, National supporter?
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:59pm
Swifty

Aaaaaaaaaaand another one! Labour selects another unionist to represent you:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121655870/former-ppta-president-angela-roberts-to-run-for-labour

Where is the diversity in Labour? Why do Labour insist on stacking their caucus and candidate pool with people so unrepresentative of the NZ population?

I’ve said before that if the NZ population looked like the Labour caucus we’d be a nation comprised of 2 million unionists, a million lawyers, a million academics and lecturers and a million teachers – and not a single person out there actually creating any actual wealth or employing any people!

It’s a sick joke when you think about it. Diversity for thee but not for me!!!!!!!
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May 28, 2020 1:20pm
Bobba Fret

So a 96 year old lady in a rest home who recovered from Covid 19, has just died.
She has been added to our covid 19 death toll which is now 22. But didn’t she die of old age?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121652723/coronavirus-no-new-covid19-cases-but-death-toll-rises-to-22-ashley-bloomfield-confirms
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May 28, 2020 1:36pm
- chaos
  
  I’d believe the family to know if their relatives had recovered
  
  * Eileen Hunter, 96, was confirmed as having COVID-19 in mid-April. Along with other infected rest home residents, Hunter was taken to Waitakere Hospital and later North Shore Hospital for treatment. Once she was deemed as recovered, returning two negative test results, she was transferred back to the rest home in Te Atatu Peninsula, Dr Bloomfield confirmed.
  
  In an interview published on Thursday, Hunter’s family said the 96-year-old’s condition did not improve despite being classified as a recovered case, calling the process a “shambles”.*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/05/coronavirus-no-new-cases-of-covid-19-in-new-zealand5.html
  
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  May 28, 2020 2:21pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    That’s interesting as Stuff just said she had recovered, so one assumes she had improved, but in the newshub article her family says she did not improve and process was a shambles.
    
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    May 28, 2020 3:23pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Did she infect others then when they returned her?
      May she rest in peace.
      
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      May 29, 2020 6:19pm
chaos

Awww, precious people get butt hurt that a lady makes her husband lunch. Good on the lady for making her husband lunch to save money and share her love with him.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2020/05/aussie-woman-slammed-for-making-husband-s-budget-friendly-lunch-every-day.html

An Australian woman has faced an unexpected backlash after proudly posting a photo of the large lunch she packs each day for her tradie husband.
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May 28, 2020 1:59pm
- mandk
  
  Fancy taking exception to this.
  
  There really are some vile people out there.
  
  The tradie in question probably shows his love for his wonderful wifey by fixing toilets all day long to give her a good lifestyle.
  
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  May 28, 2020 2:18pm
- Cod Weyne
  
  My dear wife makes my packed lunch everyday, for all the right reasons. I am very grateful.
  
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  May 28, 2020 2:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Heck, that’s some yummy lunch.
  
  I had rather forgotten that I made a cut-sandwich lunch for hubby most days in all the years he was stuck out in Gracefield unlocking the secrets of the universe.
  He reminded me of this as we ate yet another egg sandwich for lunch during Lockdown 4 and suggested we could have cheese and tomato instead…..appears that was the piece de resistance of my sandwich-making skills.
  
  15 years of soggy sandwiches and he never complained!!!
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Too bloody scared I bet 🙂
    
    When we worked separately I made my wife lunch every day as well. Now we work together most days .. I still make my wife’s lunch every day ……………. Hmmmm.
    
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    May 28, 2020 3:29pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    You must have got a good one Maggy.
    
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    May 28, 2020 4:17pm
bruceavon

Three National Party members appeared on RNZ last night with Lisa Owen to talk about the ‘no maori in caucus issue’. WTF. Why? People on here are always blaming media for Nationals issues but they need someone to tell them how to handle media. Why are these people still talking about this issue? Both it and the dumb hat thing should have been stamped out with a statement and then ministers told not to comment on it. Poor handling of the media and PR was Bridges undoing, with the hopeless Facebook post etc. They need to have discipline. Clarity in messaging. They will never beat Ardern if they don’t sort this stuff out. Plus we have leaks and disharmony in the ranks. Sort it out or else we will have a Labour/Green government for sure.
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May 28, 2020 2:15pm
- Blackface Twin Reverb
  
  I’m somewhat amused.
  It seems Bridges was fairly regularly being undermined by various leakers and a certain slimy bastard from Botany, and now its happening to the new guy its a new and major problem.
  
  Just when we need them to be a disciplined, focused, cohesive unit… they’re not.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:07pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    And how do we know the truth of that? This is regular black ops. A story that sells is worth the time to write it.
    
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    May 28, 2020 4:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Clarity in messaging
  
  I’m getting the message loud and clear:
  If you have a high position in any Government-affiliated body and you aren’t an old white person, then you’re not there because you were the best available, you’re there to make up the diversity stats.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:22pm
  - chaos
    
    Well we know if you are the deputy of the Labour Party you aren’t there because you were the best for the position.
    
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    May 28, 2020 3:24pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Or the leader, best?A good communicator is all that I hear. I read that as talks a lot.
      
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      May 29, 2020 6:25pm
kevn

Undercover police infiltrating drug dealing gangs with successful convictions. Must be ultimate major buzz, actual super high risk acting job.
Hats off to those guys. Unlikely to be any gals on those gigs.
Makes Hollywood cops ‘n robbers roles look dumb.
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May 28, 2020 2:31pm
secondcumming

‘Gang member hosted lavish parties and boasted of making $10,000 a day’…….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12335337

Meanwhile, dumb arses like me still have 17 staff to employ, taxes to pay, and a business to run…..the same as I have for the last thirty odd years.
Go figure 😎
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May 28, 2020 2:38pm
- burt
  
  You’re probably the wrong colour mate. Give up, there is no point continuing unless you can find some Maori blood in the your family tree.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:01pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Recently done mine and not a skerrick on any side, Neanderthal count? Admittedly that showed up on DNA, should we all do one, ohh and publish it?
    
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    May 29, 2020 6:56pm
chaos

Hmmm, why start a war, you already own half the world.

* The President of China has urged the country’s army to prepare for armed combat claiming the coronavirus pandemic is having a significant impact on national security.

On Tuesday, President Xi Jinping said China must ensure its military is strong because the coronavirus pandemic has had a “profound” effect on the world situation and China’s security.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/05/chinese-president-xi-jinping-tells-military-to-prepare-for-war-boosts-defence-budget.html
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May 28, 2020 2:48pm
- burt
  
  Well I guess if multiple politicians around the world stop bending over saying help yourself to China then China may need to fight to get control of our economies rather than being able to buy it for the price of a secret $1000,000 donation to some political party secret trust.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:08pm
  - Mark
    
    Yes that type of craven behaviour is a Nazional party speciallity,read the Ashby book on Chinas grip on your lot.Fucking scary.
    
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    May 28, 2020 7:25pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  That is sooo scary chaos. When my partner just read the link, he was saying that RT were also reporting that India is also preparing for a boarder war with China.
  They are concerned that when Sri Lanka defaulted on their belt and braces loan , that the Chinese took over their Port, and are likely to use it as a military base should conflit break out :-(.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:26pm
- JerJer
  
  They are going to pay dearly economically for this panic/pandemic. People will vote with their wallets, and not purchase things form China (this is already happening). Companies will move away and manufacture in other countries (they already are). This will expose the Chinese leadership. Dissatisfaction with the leadership is only just simmering below the surface in the Chinese populace. What may happen is civil war in China, most likely with a number of regions breaking away. This is most probably the reason for their security fears.
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:54pm
- dad4justice
  
  China is the virus lets war with it !!
  
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  May 28, 2020 6:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/indian-scientists-discover-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-prevents-covid-19-vindicating-president-trump/
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May 28, 2020 3:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  Article in the Hindustan Times.
  
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-major-side-effects-of-hcq-in-studies-in-india-can-be-used-as-preventive-covid-treatment-icmr/story-EflWWnPlVu0FHhV1OH1xoM.html
  
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  May 28, 2020 3:41pm
  - oldfella
    
    Yes, yes, but orange man bad, and whatever he thinks might be good must be bad.
    Okay, Comrades, once again, orange man bad, orange man bad… louder!
    
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    May 28, 2020 4:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ media all over this like flies on shit – NOT
    
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    May 28, 2020 4:45pm
- chaos
  
  * Questions raised over hydroxychloroquine study which caused WHO to halt trials for Covid-19*
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/28/questions-raised-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-which-caused-who-to-halt-trials-for-covid-19
  
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  May 28, 2020 5:19pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Meanwhile, experiments continue, with the VA administering the unproven drug to 1,300 veterans, who obviously have more service to their country to give – as guinea pigs.
    
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    May 28, 2020 6:41pm
    - chaos
      
      No, can’t read can you, you just like to be the expert in spreading bullshit.
      
      * “In certain cases, medical providers and patients want to try hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, and [Food and Drug Administration] guidance, which VA follows, permits that,” VA Press Secretary Christina Noel said in an email. “VA only permits use of the drug after ensuring Veterans and caretakers are aware of potential risks associated with it, as we do with any other drug or treatment.”*
      
      * When asked by Fox News about the 1,300 coronavirus patients who received hydroxychloroquine at the VA, Wilkie said the drug was being used as a “last effort to keep people alive.”
      
      “We used this in the last hours of a veteran’s life in the hopes it could prolong this life,” Wilkie said. “We’re doing everything we can to try to preserve life, and we follow guidelines.”*
      
      https://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/va-trials-of-hydroxychloroquine-will-continue-despite-troubling-studies-1.631403
      
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      May 28, 2020 6:54pm
BananaLlama

National need to go on the attack and ask what the New Zealand media have against White people in the National party.
Running around asking what ethnicity they are and why they don’t have brown people smacks of racism.
Instead they are just flopping around on the deck like stunned mullets.
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May 28, 2020 3:23pm
lifesgood

“Jacinda Ardern is obviously a good person” Ye gods!!! What does it take to be a bad one?
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May 28, 2020 3:25pm
- chaos
  
  A MAGA by apparently
  
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  May 28, 2020 4:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have 6 MAGA hats, so I am 6 times as bad as Todd Muller.
  So there
  
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  May 28, 2020 4:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Whew,
The Nats are OK… Looks like their Caucus probably is diverse after all….

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/05/study-finds-one-in-three-european-women-carry-neanderthal-gene-variant.html
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May 28, 2020 3:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I met some strong lezzie sheilas.
  
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  May 28, 2020 4:12pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  You beat me to it.
  
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  May 29, 2020 7:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/121651931/todd-muller-if-the-cap-fits-hide-it

Rosemary McLeod is one outstanding piece of hatred-filled NZ womanhood.
Vindictive, negative and repulsive.
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May 28, 2020 3:38pm
- BananaLlama
  
  What did you expect? the moment he backed down they smelled blood.
  
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  May 28, 2020 4:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He needs to grow them quick, or the media will put them in a paper bag and ditch them
    
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    May 28, 2020 4:49pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Mate if they can’t make Hay from paddocks full of grass then i don’t know if they ever will.
      
      We have a race based Covid response.
      Race based Health Care.
      Reporters asking why they have white people in their party and questioning the ethnicity of their members.
      A government that advocates for an entire section of the population to have special privileges above everyone else.
      Yet somehow they have walked into the corner of the ring and said take your free hits mate i own a MAGA cap.
      
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      May 28, 2020 5:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Give him a week to harden up. Concrete pills are not subsidised.
        
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        May 28, 2020 6:05pm
sharont

As National and NZF say we should be at level 1 for the sake of small business especially, could NZF and National push through a bill to get us to level 1 or is that impossible under the Covid-19 legislation? Just imagine what changes could be wrought before the election if NZF and National did a deal now at this late stage in the game. According to the polls they have nothing to lose. If they pushed through legislation to defer the election to December Labour would be pretty exposed by the failing economy.
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May 28, 2020 3:51pm
- greybeard
  
  What you are proposing is a deal between National & NZF.
  You must be mad.
  
  National should forever eschew any such relationship, Peters is a narcissistic power-mad liar.
  
  We have to eliminate NZF , Labour and the Greens from NZ government.
  
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  May 28, 2020 4:57pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s actually not such a bad idea. Winston Peters is getting dangerously close to completing a full term as a coalition member – something curtailed for him in 1998. He is well overdue for some serious trouble making.
    A change of government without an election would help secure his place in our political history…
    
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    May 28, 2020 6:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Already ahead of you on that one mikey but “moderation” seems to have me under watch 🙂
      
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      May 28, 2020 7:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I agree but it will never happen but … Can’t we dream a little?
    
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    May 28, 2020 7:06pm
Maggie Pie

Banksie just took a call from ‘SHARON’ to discuss Auckland Council shooting 2 feral goat on a pubic reserve.
He asked her if she would be prepared to save the goats and take them home as pets?
Sharon said the problem was, “…they might eat her bush”.

“Thanks for the call Sharon!” LOL.
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May 28, 2020 4:28pm
- chaos
  
  Obviously not Brazilian….
  
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  May 28, 2020 4:40pm
oldfella

Will this spat get serious, or is it just political posturing? What we used to call ‘handbags at 10 paces’? (Sorry, Cindy, not calling you a handbag, but if the shoulder strap fits…)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300022747/jacinda-ardern-says-transtasman-bubble-could-open-in-september-but-winston-peters-wanted-it-open-yesterday
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May 28, 2020 4:40pm
chaos

Yeah, I don’t think so. Good luck north island, they certainly aren’t the leaders in dropping price here.

* South Island fuel retailer NPD is planning to enter the North Island market, vowing to lower petrol prices through increased competition.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121654030/south-island-fuel-retailer-npd-steps-into-north-island
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May 28, 2020 4:57pm
Tauhei Notts

I just got an email from the Shareholders’ Association. By doing a little arithmetic I find that NZME, publishers of the New Zealand Herald, have tangible assets of $128mil and liabilities of $237mil. I note that my subscription expires next Tuesday. I wonder if they will be publishing on Wednesday 3rd.
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May 28, 2020 5:20pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was saying he just recieved a letter from the ANZ. As a supplier of goods and services to the bank, he was asked that he cut his prices by 20% or face a review of charges.
  
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  May 28, 2020 6:08pm
  - [email protected]
    
    We would be keen to know the results.
    
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    May 28, 2020 8:00pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes. effectively the management has paid $1 to assume over $100 million of debt. It will be interesting to see whether a combination of selling assets, cutting cost and refinancing can lead to a viable business.
  
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  May 28, 2020 6:28pm
  - chaos
    
    can’t even tell the difference between stuff and NZME
    
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    May 28, 2020 6:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    NZME isn’t Stuff.
    
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    May 28, 2020 7:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I, will. not. lose. Fun. Turn your satire goggles on lefties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRTB-FTMdk
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May 28, 2020 6:07pm
Tall Man

Any reason why my comments since 3:30 are still in moderation?
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May 28, 2020 7:14pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Because you dared to call the [mods] out TM.
  
  Seems Peter’s is not the only one who works he utu stick . . .
  
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  May 28, 2020 11:22pm
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/national-mp-maureen-pugh-blasted-for-misleading-economic-statistics-comparing-greece-and-new-zealand.html

I see FakeNewshub is now taking stories from the standard. I made a few comments on that blog around the sobering fact that in 2024 we would have a debt to GDP figure aligned with a bankrupt, basketcase economy with 20% unemployment.

Crickets……
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May 28, 2020 7:49pm
Maggie Pie

It’s Banksie’s last day on MAGIC tomorrow 🙁
GOD he is sooo good to listen to. My partner has been rushing home from the office early just to catch his show at 4.
Let’s hope Media Works can find a permanent slot for him – he’s one of the few out there that is compulsive listening. And not to mention a real animal lover as well 😀
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