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Environmental advocates have filed a lawsuit – against four United States government organisations which rejected a petition calling for a ban on the import of New Zealand seafood – that could impact $200 million of exports a year and is intended to spur government action on an overdue plan to better protect Māui and Hector’s dolphins. Hence, their little splurge on it last week.

So a proposed update to the Māui and Hector’s dolphin Threat Management Plan sets new netting and trawling bans around key areas and leaves Shane Jones to blast Greenpeace for ‘deifying’ Māui dolphins in a ‘clever’ anti-fishing campaign. Chlöe Swarbrick says Eugenie Sage has given Shane a children’s book that explains the difference – Maui’s dolphins have bigger heads, which Shane should know. Shane and Winston are of course backed by big fishing interests.

Toxoplasmosis – a disease from cat droppings – is also a confirmed cause of death in Hector’s and Māui dolphins (see? – a “classic” example of “you couldn’t make this shit up if you tried”) so a toxoplasmosis action plan will also be rolled out. The dolphins can become infected by the parasitic disease – which reproduces in cats – by consuming contaminated water or prey.

Apparently the biological mechanism can last long enough in seawater to kill as many as two dolphin a year, and there are just 63 Māui dolphins left.

But that same biological mechanism survival must surely warrant close examination of Tasman Sea currents to determine if in fact it is New Zealand cat originated toxoplasmosis that is reaching the dolphins off Taranaki, or indeed infection emanating from Australian cats.
See how that opens up the whole argument? It’s like finding they put braille on drive-thru bank machines.
Kiwi cats may be effecting marine life around Easter Island, but some parts of eastern New Zealand, in terms of currents, are almost the circumference of the earth away from dolphins located in the Tasman.

The Government is to investigate riparian tree planting, but it would take a shit-load of trees to prevent cat poo remnants reaching wet-lands, waterways and the ocean, only to find that to protect New Zealand dolphins, such measures should have been carried out in Australia.

It is however, what this fucking Government deserves – to accompany their other crowning achievements.
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June 28, 2020 8:07am
- Dave Mann
  
  All this talk about toxoplasmosis from cats is probably feeding into the anti-cat hysteria too.
  
  Just wait for the killjoys to call for registering and/or banning cats within x kms of a beach.
  
  Bloody dolphins. Who cares? They’re a pest. They shit and piss in the sea and they just make a mess of honest hard-working fishermen’s nets.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:14am
  - Two bob
    
    toxo also has serious affects on sheepfarmers also. ewes abort lambs etc.
    
    cats have no place in nz the devastation they cause to our native wildlife is horrific.
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:12am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Rats have no place in politics – the devastation they cause to our economy is horrific.
      
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      June 28, 2020 3:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  or indeed infection emanating from Australian cats.
  
  Well in that case our dolphins are stuffy-pooed.
  
  Aussies marsupials are riddled with Toxoplasmosis gondii
  
  Infection with Toxoplasma gondii is a significant problem in Australian marsupials,
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2784248/
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:17am
- G152
  
  Liars… Amazing how cats crap can survive in the ocean to be taken up by a passing dolphin….
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:29am
  - JackRabbit
    
    More likely to come from humans that have latent toxoplasmosis that pass it on to dolphins when they swim with them.
    
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    June 28, 2020 3:13pm
    - chukar
      
      Suppose you all know that seals can spread TB as well?
      
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      June 28, 2020 5:42pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Even the scientists can not differentiate between Maui and Hectors dolphins without a DNA test which suggests they are same species just never inbred between the 2 groups. If this is the case then there are in excess of 15000 and not 63 as suggested by these enviromental groups.
  Much like the Albotrosses that breed on remote islands that tend through Darwins evolution to take on slightly different charateristics.
  Seems like the Greens intend on playing God by interfering with nature though selective breeding by stopping the impossible.
  Im with the fisherman on this and banning gill nets is the wrong course of action and only good for PR purposes and vote grabbing.
  Scientific fact that toxoplasmosis has killed more Maui/Hectors dolphins than Gill netting / Fishing.
  Also in addition Im absolutely against putting cameras on small inshore fishing vessels .
  
  Ok, On another note 145+ days at sea and waiting now for Dr report on all sign off crew and allowed to depart Singapore to homeport ( NZ). Health checks and all clear to be issued next week with onsigning crew all completing mandatory 14 days self isolation ( from all parts of the world) and granted approval to enter Singapore for Crew change as ESSENTIAL (Key) workers.
  Another Duck in the row, Still more hoops and Hurdles.
  Watching Border controls in NZ.
  Have a good Day.
  
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  June 28, 2020 12:41pm
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    If we applied the same criteria to classifying people as we do to dolphins we certainly would not be one species.
    
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    June 28, 2020 3:00pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Did they pass any law to deal with leeches and rats in the political system?
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:27pm
- Nutta
  
  No such thing as a dolphin. Just bottlenose tuna…
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:05pm
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If you think our PM has bungled and fumbled Covid 19 post lockdown then think again. Trump’s America is a Covid basket case not only seriously threatening the Health and economic well being of its citizens but world economic recovery and stability as Trump bungles along hugely.

US has ‘serious problem’ with Covid-19 virus, Fauci warns

“US infectious disease chief Dr Anthony Fauci says as 16 states reel from a spike in Covid-19 cases, even parts of the country doing well will be affected.

At the first White House task force briefing in two months, Dr Fauci said: “The only way we’re going to end it is by ending it together.”

As health experts said more must be done to slow the spread, Vice-President Mike Pence praised US “progress”.

The US hit an all-time daily high of 40,000 new infections yesterday. There are 2.4 million confirmed infections and 124,749 deaths nationwide – more than any other country….”

At the first White House task force briefing in two months, Dr Fauci said: “The only way we’re going to end it is by ending it together…”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/419971/us-has-serious-problem-with-covid-19-virus-fauci-warns
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June 28, 2020 8:12am
- RJ
  
  Mods, is it possible to have people show what they have written and what is the article. In posts like above it isn’t easy to tell what is copied and what is their post
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:10am
  - RichardX
    
    As long as they do not use bold to show the distinction when there are more appropriate methods available.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:33am
    - RJ
      
      Nothing wrong with bold, shows very well what the article is. For some strange reason posting articles for close to 20 years, only two precious people here are offended by bold.
      
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      June 28, 2020 12:36pm
      - Swifty
        
        Many more suffer in silence.
        
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        June 28, 2020 2:01pm
      - RJ
        
        Well the good news is swiftly, I’m going to keep posting how I do unless the owner of the blog of the mods have a problem with it, so do enjoy it
        
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        June 28, 2020 2:40pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks BJ, I suspected that would be your attitude.
        
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        June 28, 2020 5:10pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Ever heard of deaths per million?
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:11am
  - Fletch
    
    The death rate in the U.S from the virus is something like 0.2%
    
    https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1263660512102973441/photo/1
    
    I believe the CDC website actually says something like 0.004%
    
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:28am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    At present, according to Worldometer, the US has 128000 deaths from 2.59 million notified cases, which translates to a mortality rate from infections of 4.94%
    
    We are getting 40000-50000 new cases in the US daily.
    
    The good news is that the death rate is dropping somewhat. The US was getting 2000 deaths per day during our lockdown. It’s now down to 700 per day. This fits what we know about epidemics, in that the virus becomes a less deadly strain. A virus cannot spread from a dead host, so milder strains survive.
    
    However if the death rate is dropping by a third, that still leaves a death rate of 1.7% going forward. or 17 per thousand infected.
    
    1.7% sounds like a small number, but as a percentage of the US Population, it’s more than the population of New Zealand
    
    If you are happy to massage the statistics to give you the lowest number, and that helps you deal with it, then fine. But the US is at 127000 dead. This is 4 times the estimated US flu deaths in 2018-2019.
    
    Bear in mind that these are reported cases as well. The states that rushed out of lockdown early are paying a heavy price.
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:03am
    - rangitoto
      
      Mostly due to BLM rioters.
      
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      June 28, 2020 12:45pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Worldometer is a ‘one man band’ counter and prediction site, not an official stats site.
      
      They also track the minute by minute “sales” of iPhones, laptops and lots of other technology.
      
      Neither my company, my wholesalees, or upstream distributors have even heard of them or be contacted by them, so how can they track world sales by the second? And manufacturers do not provide real-time sales feeds to stats sites – too commercially sensitive.
      
      They also “track” births. I don’t know anyone in any hospital that supplies up to the minute birth stats to WorldoMeter.
      
      It all made up guesstimates.
      
      As I say, Worldometer is a ‘one man band’ counter and prediction site, not an official stats site.
      To do what they do to any level of accuracy across all the metrics they claim, would be a big busienss business with a substantial footprint. But no, not even a Postal Box address, or phone number.
      
      He/She probably scrape govt websites for stats, and then calculate the number of whatever by dividing the relevant figures by the time period.
      Oldest trick in the book.
      
      So fake. Another Emperors’ New Clothes story.
      
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      June 28, 2020 3:26pm
- Pete George
  
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  Trump has retreated to the White House to try to protect statues, while thousands of live people end up dead every day.
  
  The person he put in charge of dealing with Covid has at least diverted from his ‘Faith in America’ tour to try to deal with Covid again.
  
  Fox News: Pence postpones Florida, Arizona campaign events amid increase in coronavirus cases there
  
  Vice President Mike Pence has postponed his “Faith in America” tour events in Florida and Arizona amid rapidly rising coronavirus cases in both states.
  
  “Vice President Pence will no longer participate in campaign events in Arizona and Florida this week,” a spokesman close to Pence told Fox News Saturday. “This is related to coronavirus numbers increasing in those states.”
  
  Pence will still be traveling to Florida, Arizona and Texas next week Fox News confirmed, to meet with governors and evaluate the situation on the ground in those states seeing spikes in coronavirus cases.
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-postpones-florida-arizona-events-amid-increase-coronavirus-cases
  
  A quarter of the world’s 1o million recorded Covid cases are in the US, and a quarter of the nearly half million deaths.
  
  Trump in trouble? Poll numbers have some conservatives nervous
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:16am
  - Pete George
    
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    Missed the link.
    
    Trump in trouble? Poll numbers have some conservatives nervous
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:18am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      It’s a fascinating thing, TDS amongst the punditry class. It’s almost as if we were in the US instead of NZ…
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:06am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “A quarter of the world’s 1o million recorded Covid cases are in the US…”
    
    A quarter of the world’s 1o million reported Covid cases are in the US. There, I fixed it for you.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:29am
    - rangitoto
      
      Going by the number of CCP virus cases NZ has imported from South Asia. The numbers there must be a lot higher than reported.
      
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      June 28, 2020 12:49pm
      - kowtow
        
        Half of UK’s imported cases have come from Pakistan. ( Source Daily Telegraph)
        
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        June 28, 2020 2:46pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    PG: more classic confused misdirection. Firstly, the more tests the more cases; next, the death rate continues to fall in places in the US which haven’t had mass BLM protests. This clearly shows that it’s not Trump who is the problem; it’s idiots, democratic politicians, feckless bureaucrats, and shortsighted protestors. But I repeat myself.
    
    Second, if you believe that the rest of the world is telling the truth about their numbers then you are as confused as the politicians in charge of this debacle in Wellington. Heck, in the last week it’s become clear that we in NZ haven’t been telling the truth about our cases!!
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:04am
    - Nickc2
      
      Exactly Engelbert, we in NZ can’t say how many died from CV-19. What we can say is X amount died with CV-19 but nobody was keeping a record of those who died from it. IMHO, all countries are conflating their numbers in order to make themselves look better than perhaps they really are.
      Remember, our corrupt CoL all patted themselves on the back when they thought they had rid the country of the scourge, only to open the borders and import some more and then through their ineptitude, valiantly set about exposing NZ’s population to the damned thing again.
      If there was a prize for perpetual masturbation, this government would win it hands down (pun intended).
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:48am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Maybe the spike in Arizona is a beat-up? Tony Heller has an interesting graph.
    https://realclimatescience.com/2020/06/the-arizona-surge/
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  US has 328 Million. Add up the top European countries to get to that figure and see how the numbers add up.
  Nothing but media hate of America and Trump, fake news
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:27am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Ah, the old “whatabouttheotherguy?” argument.
  
  I don’t “think our PM has bungled and fumbled Covid 19 post lockdown” – I know she has to an absolute certainty, as does anyone who has been paying even scant attention.
  
  Doubtless she could have done worse (just) but equally doubtless she could have done a hell of a lot better.
  
  Actually scratch that, I think she’s risen to her own level of incompetence, and been dragged down by her criminally useless Health Minister and others. What I mean is, doubtless a much better job could have been done.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:33am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Health incompetence by lack of proper quarantine and testing. Economic incompetence by her own socialist ‘close businesses ‘cos they don’t matter’ and then ‘tax ‘em till they bleed’ attitude to business.
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:11am
- Two bob
  
  do you realise the little amount of potus control when it comes to domestic affairs?
  Most power and authority is at a state level, the bulk responsibility lies at state governers feet.
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:16am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Of course they don’t realise that – that would require paying attention, critical thinking, logic, reasoning and an open mind.
    
    TDS affects those unable to claim any of the above. I think Darwin would recognise the signs.
    
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    June 28, 2020 12:11pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I do say that the frequent manifestations of TDS provide chuckles…
      
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      June 28, 2020 3:57pm
lifesgood

Double Vision Brewery in Wellington have produced a beer called Juice Cinda with a stylised picture of Jacinda, in a very communist worker pose, on the label. This is just in time for the election campaign. Should this be counted as electioneering? They have just ensured I will never buy their products, and we are a family of craft beer drinkers. It really is vomit enducing.
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June 28, 2020 8:13am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Sounds like satire actually: Communist pose. Maybe they’re trying to appeal to both sides: those who love her and those who see her as a dangerous commie.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:13am
- Pete George
  
  Link to this:
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2020/06/juice-cinda-new-beer-celebrates-prime-minister-s-kindness-exceptional-leadership.html
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:20am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Have you ever wondered what Jacinda Ardern’s kindness would taste like … The hazy New Zealand IPA-style beer has notes of “Maris Otter, flaked oats and light crystal malts“
    
    Barf. I’m not sure I want a taste of the PM.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:32am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      On the other hand, they have got her flakiness bottled so there’s that going for this snail-slime brew.
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:08am
    - 3-coil
      
      RichPrick: Probably not dissimilar to Gwyneth’s?
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:30am
  - emmess
    
    The first beer that makes you puke before you even have a sip.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:51am
    - sooty
      
      But everyone you don’t buy is a vote against her!
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:43am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Blatant electioneering- although the fact that they have depicted her as yellow or the bottle label does Ms Ardern few favours.
    Why is this brewery only identified as a brewery “saying”? Who are the actual people behind it? And donations to a “give a little” fund? No.
    Righto – time for Mr Muller to start brewing blue gin or vodka or something.
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:50am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Make a complaint to the Electoral Commission – that’s how the blatant propaganda of those lefties Frizzell and wossname was ordered down.
  
  Re craft beer – each to their own and all that, but it seems a bit wanky to me.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:54am
  - kowtow
    
    I reckon most “craft beer” is wanky as you say . It’s largely a fad.
    IMHO most is overpriced horse piss which has been heavily hopped so they can pretend there’s quality ingredients , but makes ’em too bitter to enjoy and I’ve sampled enough of it to come to that conclusion.
    
    But cos they’re expensive, wankers have to pretend to themselves , they’re enjoying it.
    
    If you can find a good one , then more power to your elbow.
    
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    June 28, 2020 2:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  Do you get a free can crusher if you buy a box of it?
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:52am
  - chukar
    
    Used to be ,a bottle or two of home brew would arrive at a party brewed by someone short of cash.
    Most times it would be left alone.
    Craft beer is the same hoppy and horrible but now expensive,.but still most likely to be left over.
    Cheers !
    
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    June 28, 2020 5:52pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Should it be counted as electioneering? Damn right it should. Now that we are in the regulated election period, every can or bottle should carry an authorisation statement.
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:12pm
nasska

“Welcome to a news series of Celebrity Master Mind.

Will our first contestant please take the seat. Good evening, please introduce yourself.”

“Hello, my name is David Clark, I used to be Minister for Health.”

“Incorrect Mr Clark, you still are.”

“Oh!”

“Mr Clark, what is your specialist subject ?”

“Pass.”

“No Mr Clark, that was not the first question, please try again.”

“The Great Corona virus Triumph of 2020.”

“Okay, Question 1……I’m sorry did you say Corona virus ‘Triumph’ ?”

“Yes…what’s wrong ? “

“Please wait Mr Clark while I speak with the programme producer……who provided these questions….. Okay, who exactly is Ash?……0kay……must I……Okay Mr Clark, please accept the trophy & our congratulations.”

And that’s how the TV1 budget was saved for another year.
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June 28, 2020 8:29am
I remember when

Nick Smith ejected during QT Thursday.
Later Jerry Brownlie decided he had had enough and was also ejected from House,
When Smith was ejected Mallard said he would consider how long it would be before he could return.
When Brownlie asked how long he was out for Mallard replied it would be for the same time as Smith. However, Jerry was allowed to return for the evening sitting but when Smith tried he was eventually removed by the Serjeant-in-Arms.
The Dominion reported Smith said he tried to re-enter the house twice, seeking to learn when he could return. The speakers office was not responding to his emails.
“I think I am entitled to know, when I am allowed back in.”
Mallard said his office could not inform Smith of when to return to the House, as he could not be satisfied Smith would behave himself.
National lost the question in Smith’s name because he was ejected.
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June 28, 2020 8:37am
- Tall Man
  
  Pathetic behaviour by the duck yet he has two idiots supporting him so far.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:14am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mallard’s behaviour on Thursday was nothing short of disgraceful.
  Next week I’d love to see National call for a vote of no confidence in the Speaker then march their whole team out the door.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    A good idea, but the bills the CoL could pass in their absence would be embarrassing.
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:57am
    - RJ
      
      They will pass with or without national being there.
      
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      June 28, 2020 12:28pm
      - Nickc2
        
        But not without a fight!
        
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        June 28, 2020 12:45pm
- Gravelroad
  
  “Here’s a house
  With a door
  1, 2, 3, 4
  Ready to Play?
  What’s the day?
  Play School!”
  
  The start of my kids’ fave TV programme when they were four many years ago.
  They got over it though…….
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:28am
- Loddenthinks
  
  All of this is true, but invoking Godwin’s law is pretty uncool.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:57am
Lee C

In my opinion, there is a big bloc of National voters patiently waiting for the Election.

They will mobilise and vote and there will be enough of them to send National into power (by two seats) along with ACT.

NZ First will be goneburger. The Green seats reduced, and Labour will not have quite enough numbers to swing this election in their favour.

Ardern is not as popular as the media think she is.
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June 28, 2020 8:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I hope you are correct. Sadly I have come across people who are mesmerised by the belief that jacinda saved 80000 people from dying.
  
  There is little doubt in my mind that without the pandemic Simon Bridges would be PM in September.
  
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  June 28, 2020 8:50am
  - RightNow
    
    Point out to them that the same model projected 2.5 million deaths in the USA so Trump’s saved over 2 million lives by that logic
    
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    June 28, 2020 5:20pm
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  Ardhern is totally unpopular in the circles I mix in!
  
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  June 28, 2020 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ditto and the includes the checkout at Pak n Save.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:15am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Interesting, why that person? I carefully test the waters with small shop owners and tradies who had to close for L4 and many think it was unnecessary. Whether enough to swing the vote though…
      
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      June 28, 2020 10:31am
      - Tall Man
        
        When I say the checkout, I mean everyone at the checkout.
        
        I get a few “frosties” but … I’m a tall man so have broad shoulders 🙂
        
        I have only had one person, the operator, state a positive opinion of ardern and her lock down.
        
        When I pointed out that his kids would be paying for her actions for many years his response was …. “Good” so figure that out.
        
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        June 28, 2020 10:55am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      The nice asian ladies on the counter at our PaknSave have no time for her.
      
      Interesting.
      
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      June 28, 2020 10:49am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Asian kiwis I’ve met want to succeed and want the very best for their kids. Via hard work and intelligence, not from hand outs. Labour does not represent that POV.
        
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        June 28, 2020 11:14am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yeah but once you add up the state sector workers, the beneficiaries, people on working for families, criminals, Woke New Zealanders overseas who think she is great ….
        
        Seriously you must be getting close to half the voters when you add up those categories . There’s your problem. Of course your hard working tradesman can’t stand her. But they are outnumbered.
        
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        June 28, 2020 11:20am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I have never met a Chinese or Taiwanese person who would vote for Labour.
        
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        June 28, 2020 11:22am
      - Nickc2
        
        @Classic Liberal 11:14AM
        
        Those Chinese don’t want to see NZ regress to the tyranny they have chosen to leave behind. I hope for all our sakes this doesn’t happen. The only citizens in NZ who would wish Cindy and Co’s tyranny on our nation are ‘wet university students’. They don’t realise that once they grow up, it will be too late to return their country to democracy without violent insurrection.
        
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        June 28, 2020 12:06pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I have never met a Chinese or Taiwanese person who would vote for Labour.
        
        And yet – in the absence of raw data – on the balance of probabilities, many do.
        
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        June 28, 2020 12:51pm
    - RJ
      
      I agree, I’ve yet to hear a person talk positive about her and this government now. I’m hearing a lot of, I voted for Jacinda but won’t be again.
      
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      June 28, 2020 12:27pm
  - oldfella
    
    G’day, Jacinda. I thought a Mod the other day told you to change your name? I queried it, and was told to take it up with DF. Guess you got a stay of execution. 😉
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:49am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Well, if a craft beer can use the mangled name…
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:15am
- Two bob
  
  I hope you are correct. fingers crossed ACT end up in a powerfull situation and can get some meaningful logical policy in place without too much watering down.
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:01am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I’m staggered that ACT, the only real opposition to the Stalinesque clown show which has siezed control of our country, is only scoring around 4% in the opinion polls.
    
    Surely there are more than 4% of citizens who value freedom of speech and freedom from government persecution and less interference in our lives and our businesses?
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:37am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Maybe not. New Zealanders have become hooked on government. Right now, the government gives the impression that it can save everyone from every pain caused by the pandemic and the lockdown. And people lap it up. There is a fire hose of money being sprayed everywhere. And I guarantee that if Labour win that fire hose will be switched off day after the election. And New Zealand will face the mother of all fiscal and economic hang overs.
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:33am
    - cmm
      
      Do ACT voters advertise the fact to pollsters?
      
      Why would they? Some random person phones you up and starts asking you questions. Where’s the motivation to be honest with them in today’s cancel culture?
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:40am
      - Nutta
        
        Not this one.
        
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        June 28, 2020 9:41pm
- cmm
  
  You could argue that in the last election most NZF supporters were leaning National and wanted NZF in there to “keep them honest”. When NZF evaporated where did those supporters go? I’d think they mostly went towards National.
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:06am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Bernard Hickey wants NZ First voters to keep the CoL honest this time…
    
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    June 28, 2020 9:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Not too sure what he wants but I certainly know what he needs 😉
      
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      June 28, 2020 10:16am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      hahahaha
      
      ….and there are probably enough of the confused wrinklies out there to think that, this time, he might keep a promise!
      
      No firearms license holder will vote NZfirst again! I hear there is a motion at the Wairarapa club AGM to expel Ron Mark from the club.
      
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      June 28, 2020 10:51am
      - artemisia
        
        Nicole McKee #3 on the ACT list. Pretty good chance she will be in the House. Plus will rally gun holders.
        
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        June 28, 2020 12:49pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Poor Cindy – she’s surrounded by such incompetence…
  
  Please let the girl’s stellar leadership masterclass shine!
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:08am
- Chris R
  
  I agree and acknowledge that this coming election is nothing like a “done deal.” Throughout her clumsy/embarrassing term as PM there has been a steady vein of those who simply could not unearth any credibility in her. She is a flake and a lying flake at that! It is important to judge people by the company they keep…in Ardern’s gang she has pompous incompetents and indolent clowns.
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:17am
  - herb1
    
    Add to the company she keeps ,passport altering drug dealers (and their mates), alleged sexual abusers and people who write songs about murdering a previous PM and raping his daughter.
    Im sure there are others but any one of the others should have her banned from decent society.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:18am
  - oldfella
    
    A gang of clowns actually lead by a leader who says she grew up wanting to be a real clown (according to the kid’s book writing about our Dear Leader).
    Good one, Cindy. Dreams come true.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:52am
- Philview
  
  I find it hard to believe that a block of voters supported National in February but have now switched to Labour. I have been called about political polls and there have been some rather unusual repetitive questions such as my thoughts on immigrants. I have thought is this really a poll or something sinister and then become a bit guarded about where my answers are going to end up.
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:25am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Exactly! I don’t answer polls at all. These ppl can know everything about my business from the web. No way do I want the kind of lies and hatred the msm can easily spread if they don’t like my opinions. Ok, I’m tiny and should be under the radar, but who knows what they might choose to do?
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Ok, I’m tiny and should be under the radar,
      
      Just the type of person bullies like to deal to.
      
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      June 28, 2020 12:05pm
- RJ
  
  Personally I put the National voting bloc at 45%
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    As do I and labour’s around 35-40. The watermelons and “what’s in it for wynston” will waste 9-10 between them with ACT and the also rans swallowing up the rest.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:19am
    - RJ
      
      Yeah, but this time around those watermelons old fellow will be sitting outside on election night wondering what they will do with their lives now.
      
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      June 28, 2020 12:20pm
- freethinker
  
  Within that block of voters I suspect there are many who will electorate vote National and party vote ACT.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:03am
- Harriet
  
  “…..Ardern is not as popular as the media think she is……”
  
  Is Jacinda too free with her speech Minister Little?
  
  Asking for a team of 5 million. 😎
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:07am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It’s election year and Winston is in need of a scandal that he – and only he – can protect the nation from. His trouble is that he has to pin it on Labour/Greens this time around.
  
  Law & order? He knows all the deets surrounding gangs, Karel Sroubek, etc, etc…
  
  1.5 – 2 weeks before Election Day…?
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not as popular as she thinks she is either
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:29am
- Ultima
  
  I hope so. By election time the economy will be in much worse state, unemployment will still be going up. No amount of money printing will prevent further voter disillusionment.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:40am
- DeepBlue
  
  Mum and Dad conservative voters never used to comment much on social media, but now with the pile on that happens they have gone to ground to emerge within the safety of the polling booth.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:51am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  I hope you are right, National voters are a lot less shouty than the Left wing comrades.
  
  I do think though that NZF will get back even though they are polling 2% because Jones has a good chance of getting in in Northland, where he comes from. Lance O’Sullivan is too ‘white’ for the cuzzies up in Northland. Also Ron Mark might get in as well in the Wairarapa. Let’s hope none of this comes true. Will be interesting.
  
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  June 28, 2020 1:20pm
virtualmark

So the Russians have been paying the Taliban a bounty for each American or international soldier killed, Trump’s known about it since late-March, and …

The correct answer is that since late-March … Trump sent them ventilators when his own country needed them, argued for Russia to be re-admitted to the G8, announced he was withdrawing troops from Germany, began moves to compromise Radio Free Europe, and more.

Question: If Trump *were to be* compromised by the Russians then what would he do differently?
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June 28, 2020 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  Does anyone on the right take anything in the NYT seriously ?
  
  Long past time for independent thinkers to stop drinking the Media Party Kool Aid.
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:31pm
  - Batman
    
    That snowflake fake news at it again huh kowtow?
    
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmakers-want-answers-on-russia-paying-taliban-to-attack-us-troops
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:53pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yep
      It’s fake news alright.
      You’re quite gullible aren’t you, the way you believe anonymous sources
      You’d think you would learn!
      So funny to watch though
      Hahaha
      ‘The White House flatly denied Saturday a report that claimed President Trump did not act on information from US intelligence officials that Russia allegedly offered bounties to the Taliban for killing American soldiers in Afghanistan.
      
      “The CIA Director, National Security Adviser and the Chief of Staff can all confirm that neither the President nor the Vice President were briefed on the alleged Russian bounty intelligence,” press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said.’
      
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      June 28, 2020 5:02pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The core facts of the NY Times article have now been confirmed by the Washington Post, by Fox News and by a number of European newspapers. No one serious is disputing that this isn’t factual and true. Only you cult members.
        
        But if Trump hasn’t been briefed then:
        (1) Why the f($k not? Given how important this news is why weren’t the President and Vice-President briefed?
        (2) Well he sure knows about it now, so let’s see what he chooses to do.
        
        In truth … the White House plays semantics with “brief” to mean “verbally, and explicitly on this item only”. I will wager we will all find out that the President was briefed in the Daily Briefing Report.
        
        And … the President lies. Like a Gatling gun set to maximum speed. McEnany lies too.
        
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        June 28, 2020 10:00pm
peterwn

So someone has ‘photoshopped’ an image showing National’s new billboards to imply that if National had been the government then Covid 19 would have run right out of control. Trouble is, two can play this game and a ‘photoshopped’ Labour billboard could appear implying higher taxation. Presumably Robbo will peddle the message that higher taxes are unavoidable but with the implication it is only ‘other people’ (ie fat cats) would pay higher taxes. This would force Todd and Paul to have to explain how higher taxation can be avoided which could be a more difficult message to get across.
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June 28, 2020 8:50am
Albert_Ross

I’d like to think this is true, but if it is, why are these people not showing up in the polls?
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June 28, 2020 8:58am
- Tall Man
  
  “Shy Tory” effect.
  
  Was the same in OZ last year.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:21am
  - Paulus
    
    To say that you are a National voter only gets opprobrium from those loudmouths are are sure that they and not you are totally wrong.
    So National supporters just wait until September.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:41am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      That may well be true in social and other public contexts, but surely doesn’t apply when responding to an opinion poll.
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:26am
      - Swifty
        
        I’ve read on a number of occasions that it in fact does Albert – and expressed in people responding ‘Dont know’ when asked or in actually voicing that they will be voting left.
        
        For some the ‘shyness’ carries through right up until they are standing in the polling booth.
        
        I have heard some on here saying that they have noticed some resistance/hostility/sarcasm from pollsters when they have stated they will vote National. If true, and if not imagined, then you can understand the reluctance of some people to be honest when polled.
        
        I’ve noticed it myself online – about every six months I go on ‘Neighbourly’ and make some point about increased tax retarding growth, that the minimum wage increases hurt Maori and the young, or that we lose freedoms when a state grows and grows – and the pile-ons are extraordinary. I did this a couple of weeks ago and I was labelled a capitalist so-and-so who needs to declare his interests, a National plant, stooge etc etc – and the pile-on posts got 10, 15, 20 likes and my posts got none or maybe a couple.
        
        Sometimes even I think it right to just keep quiet.
        
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        June 28, 2020 12:31pm
      - Swifty
        
        I didn’t really make my main point – that ‘shutting up’ becomes such a habit that it carries through to being on the phone with a pollster.
        
        You just end up never admitting, to anyone*, that you vote right.
        
        *known allies, family, friends etc excepted.
        
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        June 28, 2020 1:48pm
Cassandra

One can but hope. The polls now reflect the near constant exposure of a very good communicator who has overseen a good result in terms of deaths and infections. (That applies to both the PM and DG but only the PM is the direct beneficiary). However, what goes up easily also goes down when other factors come into play. The inability of this government to implement any flagship policies has become evident and that will contribute to Lee’s desired outcome. At present I fear that it’s close to wishful thinking. Next poll will tell us more. David Clark and Phil Twyford are great National assets.
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June 28, 2020 9:00am
Happychappy

I Just wonder how many of the voters would be happy with Grant Robertson if they really y understood how much taxpayer money he put at risk by trying to gain votes and believing he knew better than Treasury on the 6 billion he was prepared to loan to viable businesses over CORID-19.
https://www.interest.co.nz/business/105716/confirmed-business-finance-guarantee-scheme-thats-failed-fly-was-announced-fly
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June 28, 2020 9:01am
cmm

Two days ago we had some $1uff shill pieces basically sayingLabour is crap but vote for them anyway.

This seems to be an attempt to normalise voting for Labour even if they are useless and take competence out of the equation.

Will it work? Maybe for some, but I doubt it is a good way to get their target audience motivated to go to the polling booths.
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June 28, 2020 9:03am
- jv
  
  And Megan Woods is presented as the fix it person. Oh dear.
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:41am
  - namron
    
    jv and any others who watched Megan Woods on Q&A and\or NewshubNation, [Deleted – stick to your point. Mod.]
    She must hold the “record” for her avoidance of questions asked and also for the speed of her unnecessary “blither.”
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:49am
    - sooty
      
      When Megan Woods gets chucked under the bus,
      for CCP Virus out in the public arena, that’ll be a bump in the road! Will she chuck Mike Bush and Digby out first! Just as well cindy has got a few fall guys to cushion her now that the daily PR sessions have finished.
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:57am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Hope Woods gets the same treatment from cartoonists that Paula Bennett had to suffer for years from the idiots at Stuff. BTW Paula is looking fabulous these days.
    
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    June 28, 2020 1:22pm
mark15

Television,the drug of the nation
Where straight teeth in your mouth
Are more important than the words
that come out of it.
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June 28, 2020 9:06am
- sooty
  
  I see that the media are fighting for position as to who will sit in the big seat by themselves.
  Wonder what it will cost to give all of the others redundancy.
  Will the big seater get paid the big bucks or be offered cheap rate?
  
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  June 28, 2020 12:03pm
Paulus Gnome

Twyford has now been replaced by Woods with the same predictable result . . .
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June 28, 2020 9:12am
Swifty

Fire Roll Harakeke Friction Fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mrGCxqebbs
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June 28, 2020 9:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wow!
  
  Not a known method employed by Maori tho’.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:59am
  - Swifty
    
    I was hoping you’d see that from me.
    
    Yeah, I hadn’t come across that either.
    
    I’ve been looking at Maori fire lighting and fire storage techniques lately as I had a number of gaps in my knowledge about how they went about it.
    
    Cool stuff. I see the same guy also does it successfully with just a plain ball of cotton and wood ash. I’m going to give it a crack, just for fun.
    
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    June 28, 2020 12:36pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If you’re going to use the common Maori technique, you’ll need a female to put her big foot on the soft base wood.
      http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-MarYear-t1-body1-d3.html
      
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      June 28, 2020 1:09pm
      - Swifty
        
        Will keep a lookout for any sturdy wahines walking past the whare, thanks Maggy.
        
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        June 28, 2020 1:26pm
Vallager

I heard a most intriguing story last night; it concerned a leading bloke who has been ejected from the family home as a result of his innovative approach to staff management.
Has a whisper of this reached anyone else?
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June 28, 2020 9:26am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Rumours have been heard. Haven’t had a reason though.
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:40pm
- DeepBlue
  
  The ejection is a new twist. The cause rumour has popped up here and there for a few weeks now.
  
  The only possible corroboration is the number of people questioning evidence of his whereabouts… Been missing in action.
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:09pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Sounds like we’re fishing for details here? I wonder what the net result will be.
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:55pm
    - lifesgood
      
      The top cop will come out shortly to deny all rumours.
      
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      June 28, 2020 8:03pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        That’d Costa credibility…
        
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        June 28, 2020 8:17pm
All_on_Red

Washington Post Headline
‘Trump keeps claiming that the most dangerous cities in America are all run by Democrats. They aren’t.’

And then goes on to publish Data which shows they are…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/25/trump-keeps-claiming-that-most-dangerous-cities-america-are-all-run-by-democrats-they-arent/#click=https://t.co/JdW07GkZhV
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June 28, 2020 9:28am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Even the fake news companies are spreading fake news about how fake Trumps’s “fake news stories” are.
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:50am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Thanks, that was really hilarious. Totally looked like satire – TDS is so strong that ppl don’t even notice that they sound like comedians when they rant against him.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:23am
  - oldfella
    
    For those of us who like a good laugh about US politics … well decide for yourself if this stuff is funny.
    The weekly take from the popular conservative Powerline blog
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/the-week-in-pictures-fake-noose-edition.php
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:01am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      If you mean identity politics are serious and dangerous to society I totally agree.
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:23am
    - oldfella
      
      And now the Dems and BLM types in the US are coming for John Wayne.
      Yep, Pilgrim, no one is safe.
      https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/504846-orange-county-democrats-call-for-john-wayne-airport-to-be-renamed
      I guess if what people said and did in the past are a good reason to banish them now, the Democrats will soon be eating a bunch of their own ‘heroes’. Just don’t tell them what racist stuff their beloved FDR did to Japanese Americans during WW2.
      
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      June 28, 2020 11:24am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Some years ago the Northern manufacturers association head (or some other organisation) made a comment that women took more time off sick than men and that might be a reason for lower pay or something. The PSA put out an article published in the dominion post that refuted that, but included the statistic that confirmed it. So much retard. ?
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:43pm
septic skeptic

There is nothing like a good debate to get you started in the morning. And this is nothing like a good debate.
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June 28, 2020 9:38am
Komata

AoR@0928

The fact that the info’ is presented by the Washington Post (a known Democrat-supporting organisation) is, of course, no reason to believe that there will be any ‘bias’ in the article…
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June 28, 2020 9:40am
Engelbert Humperdink

I wonder how a Government Truth Deficit counter could be set up and run with the others in the right-hand margin…
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June 28, 2020 9:50am
- herb1
  
  the screen isn’t wide enough for the numbers
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:21am
- RJ
  
  It couldn’t, it would break the super computer needed for this government
  
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  June 28, 2020 12:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I am METH. https://www.dropbox.com/s/wo4566yy8kek8iq/meth.jpg?dl=0
“I AM METH”
This was written by a young girl who was in jail for drug charges, and was addicted to meth. She wrote this while in jail. As you will soon read, she fully grasped the horrors of the drug, as she tells in this simple, yet profound poem. She was released from jail, but, true to her story, the drug owned her. They found her dead not long after, with the needle still in her arm….

Please understand, this thing is worse than any of us realize…

My Name Is “Meth”
I destroy homes, I tear families apart, take your children, and that’s just the start.
I’m more costly than diamonds, more precious than gold,
The sorrow I bring is a sight to behold.
If you need me, remember I’m easily found,
I live all around you – in schools and in town.
I live with the rich; I live with the poor,
I live down the street, and maybe next door.
I’m made in a lab, but not like you think,
I can be made under the kitchen sink.
In your child’s closet, and even in the woods,
If this scares you to death, well it certainly should.
I have many names, but there’s one you know best,
I’m sure you’ve heard of me, my name is crystal meth.
My power is awesome; try me you’ll see,
But if you do, you may never break free.
Just try me once and I might let you go,
But try me twice, and I’ll own your soul.
When I possess you, you’ll steal and you’ll lie,
You do what you have to — just to get high.
The crimes you’ll commit for my narcotic charms
Will be worth the pleasure you’ll feel in your arms,
your lungs your nose.
You’ll lie to your mother; you’ll steal from your dad,
When you see their tears, you should feel sad.
But you’ll forget your morals and how you were raised,
I’ll be your conscience, I’ll teach you my ways.
I take kids from parents, and parents from kids,
I turn people from God, and separate friends.
I’ll take everything from you, your looks and your pride,
I’ll be with you always — right by your side.
You’ll give up everything – your family, your home,
Your friends, your money, then you’ll be alone.
I’ll take and take, till you have nothing more to give,
When I’m finished with you, you’ll be lucky to live.
If you try me be warned – this is no game,
If given the chance, I’ll drive you insane.
I’ll ravish your body, I’ll control your mind,
I’ll own you completely, your soul will be mine.
The nightmares I’ll give you while lying in bed,
The voices you’ll hear, from inside your head.
The sweats, the shakes, the visions you’ll see,
I want you to know, these are all gifts from me.
But then it’s too late, and you’ll know in your heart,
That you are mine, and we shall not part.
You’ll regret that you tried me, they always do,
But you came to me, not I to you.
You knew this would happen, many times you were told,
But you challenged my power, and chose to be bold.
You could have said no, and just walked away,
If you could live that day over, now what would you say?
I’ll be your master, you will be my slave,
I’ll even go with you, when you go to your grave.
Now that you have met me, what will you do?
Will you try me or not? It’s all up to you.
I can bring you more misery than words can tell,
Come take my hand, let me lead you to hell.
If you care enough, please forward this profound poem and share the deadly outcome of this drug that is killing our young kids young and old…
please look at my picture what it did to me!!!
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June 28, 2020 9:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From my Facebook memories
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:58am
- Tall Man
  
  That is fucking dreadful.
  
  Good thing we know how to deal with drug dealers in NZ ………. Give them PR.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:44am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    It is interesting.
    
    We know, especially those of us who live nearby them in the ‘burbs, where the meth houses are that do the selling.
    
    We know which gangs and 501s are running the show.
    
    We know which international traders are most likely to be smuggling precursors in and from which countries.
    
    We know where the labs are most likely be set up.
    
    We have drones.
    
    And on any given day we clearly have at least 12 policeman not otherwise engaged who could do a raid – each of them armed to the teeth like they were when they raided the bunny rifle guy De Boer. Not to mention police people in scary black vehicles who are also currently underutilised.
    
    And yet, somehow, while the police keep saying meth’s a national problem and a tragedy (it is) and we all own it (no we don’t, dealers, suppliers and law unenforcement own the problem), I don’t see that the police are doing anything effective about it.
    
    Why not raid one meth house every day for a month? It would be a good start. We should start with the gangs which have publicly acknowledged they still possess illegal firearms, there shouldn’t be a problem getting a warrant for that.
    
    And no, not being a chicken hawk, I’m happy to be a medic on the raid. Been there done that with people far less pleasant and with better markmanship than New Zealand gang members.
    
    How hard can it be to use overwhelming force on a gangpad?
    
    I honestly can’t decide whether senior police are more scared of being called racist, or more scared of being shot at.
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:15am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Once again, it is baffling who in their right mind and with a reasonable GCS could downtick what Steve posted.
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have seen two families completely destroyed by this. I don’t know what eventually happened to them, or where they are now. Once they start, it is the end
  
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  June 28, 2020 1:34pm
- Two bob
  
  So very sad and very true, ive let go of several good mates (incl my best man) that got taken over by the evil shit over the last decade. its an even harder watch when lil kids are involved 🙁
  
  Their soul goes very early on and is usually the 1st thing to notice/alert that somethings up if theyve been hiding it.
  
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  June 28, 2020 7:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How babies actually work.

https://medium.com/@emilyjaneclark/parenting-for-idiots-how-babies-actually-work-efd21a8ceddd
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June 28, 2020 10:05am
JibberJabber

How could he tell?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/black-lives-matter-activist-loses-one-testicles-shot-balls-rubber-bullets-george-floyd-riots/
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June 28, 2020 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pity the cop ran out of rubber bullets, he could have stopped that scum from breeding
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:39am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Steve – 10cc wrote a great song about that
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTnvhGHDGA
    
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    June 28, 2020 12:38pm
JibberJabber

https://twitter.com/blairdrysdale77/status/1276648389589925890
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June 28, 2020 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can only do 1 uptick
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Did you know when a woman wears a leather dress,
A man’s heart beats quicker,
His throat gets dry,
He goes weak at the knees,
And he thinks irrationally.
Ever wonder why?
Because she smells like A NEW TRUCK
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June 28, 2020 10:16am
Sacha

I wonder if Dr Ashley Bloomfield now thinks he might have been wiser to have made his (reported) resignation back on March 14.
Sometimes, as my old mum used to say, discretion is the better part of valour.
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June 28, 2020 10:17am
Captain Mainwaring

I wonder if the phantom downticker has any idea how pathetic he is.
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June 28, 2020 10:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh, there he is again.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The phantom downticker is a lovely person
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There ya go! The downticker actually upticked me.
      Must have read lifesgood’s post
      
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      June 28, 2020 10:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I know exactly who it is Capt’n, but KB rules prevent me from exposing the retard. Let me just say that considering his lifestyle, coupled with the emotional and physical challenges he faces every day, we all need to perhaps show a little pity and allow him a bit of slack.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:48am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And he’s even downticked you Maggie for sticking up for him. Very sad.
    
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    June 28, 2020 10:57am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Wow i believe you Maggie bc this is the first time I’ve seen you cut anyone slack! Usually you’re enjoyably crude.
    
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    June 28, 2020 11:03am
lifesgood

The phantom downticker is very busy this morning. They don’t even read the posts, it’s obvious because they downtick things they would agree with. What an idiot.
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June 28, 2020 10:21am
Maggie Pie

You would have to wonder what kind of low-lifes would set off the Fire Alarms at Rotorua’s Sudima Hotel, which resulted in all the quarantined Covid-19 detainees having to be evacuated early this morning?

Something similar happened to us about 4 years ago when we went there for a weekend and stayed in a top floor suite on the lakefront. Turned out that was also a false alarm!
But when all the guests were allowed back in, about twenty found their rooms had been broken into and their valuables stolen.
We’d never stay at RotoVegas again.
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June 28, 2020 10:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I think it’s something ethnic in that town but I couldn’t possibly say what.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:41am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  And of course they all mingled. Yay. scratch Rotovegas off the school holiday visit list.
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:57am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Sorry Maggie accidental down tick.
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:05am
  - Steve Todd
    
    C L: Regarding the exchange of views, below, for the record, as at right now, on my screen the ‘2’ is green and the ‘3’ is red. The colour red will not change – I’ve had my say.
    
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    June 28, 2020 3:07pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Smoking in a room maybe?
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:33am
- Nutta
  
  The dowticker? Same mentality…
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:59pm
Aunty

The Long March Through the Institutions: How the Left Won the Culture War & What To Do About It

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oONbN7ps9Go

A very worthwhile watch.
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June 28, 2020 10:28am
- Jules99
  
  Very good – I watched it last night. The book is a free download too.
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:43am
Paulus

Understand that Judith Collins has written a book – now being precede in some Sunday paper.
Sad as I understand it is very bitter – which may well explain why she does and has never had her Caucus numbers.
Will be like other similar political books – Warehouse box $5 shortly.
Am very disappointed and sad for her.
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June 28, 2020 10:46am
- RJ
  
  How can you understand it is bitter if you haven’t read it
  
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  June 28, 2020 12:03pm
- kowtow
  
  Vance has a blurb in it in stuffed.
  
  Vance describes Cameron Slater thus :
  
  ‘The email, penned by notorious far-right blogger and fabulist Cameron Slater, claimed Collins was part of a smear campaign, trying to undermine Serious Fraud Office boss Adam Feeley. (Slater later admitted he was big-noting.)’
  
  I’m no pal of Slaters’ but where the fuck does Vance get “far right” from ?
  
  And talking of the Media party i’m constantly coming across references to the BLM movemnt “sweeping across the world”
  
  Really ? Any mass demos in the Middle east , South America ,Central to east Europe , India ,or Asia ?
  
  Just more fake news from the purveyors of fake noose.
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:01pm
  - Boxing junkie
    
    He may not be far-right of your own politics but he is far-right in terms of the New Zealand political spectrum.
    
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    June 28, 2020 6:29pm
Maggie Pie

A twitter bestie from the Southern State of Mississippi tweets…..

“We will never defeat the scourge of racism until people of color have their own spaces away from whites.
I suggest we start with schools, buses, toilets, restaurants and drinking fountains”
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June 28, 2020 10:57am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I think this cannot end until black people are allowed their own homelands!
  
  That way they can be safe, and will prosper.
  
  (that is “satire” for those moderators of a literal persuasion)
  
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  June 28, 2020 10:58am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Liberia. Monrovia. Been / worked there. BLMmers and their likes from the Chicagostans would mos’ def’ fit right in.
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh dear. I’m surprised your bestie is not advocating that they all be sent back to Africa.
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:00am
- oldfella
  
  Separate sports teams, too. Baseball could resurrect the old Negro Leagues of yesteryear. They certainly kept the races separate. I guess any media coverage would be provided by BLM TV outlets. And watched only by those prepared to sign ‘I Love BLM’ and ‘MLK Was Wrong’ clauses on their cable deals.
  That could work.
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:13am
- RJ
  
  This won’t end until after the election and all the paid agitators go back into hiding
  
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  June 28, 2020 12:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    The Marxist agitators ain’t going away . Establishment Democrats are getting their arses kicked and far left players masquerading as Democrats are beginning to take seats .
    
    Not well covered by our “news” at all.
    
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    June 28, 2020 2:42pm
- Boxing junkie
  
  Your bestie sounds like she’s in the KKK.
  
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  June 28, 2020 6:31pm
Loddenthinks

Tracey Martin, no doubt shitting herself that she’ll be wrenched away from the trough, declared on the one hand that as far as she was concerned, polls were “fascinating and pointless”.

Almost in the next breath, she said “Yeah, it’s true. I’d love to be at 11 percent now. We’re not.” and a short time later:

“We haven’t even started electioneering yet. And once we start putting out our policies, then let’s have a look at what the polls say.”

So I guess they’re pointless when they show you at 2%, but lovely when they show you at 11%, did I get that right Tracey? And as for the lie that they haven’t even started electioneering yet, it looks like your illustrious leader and his oik sidekick haven’t quite got that memo yet. Every single thing Winston says or does in election year is electioneering. Nothing wrong with that, they all do it, but let’s not pretend the public are stupid, Tracey.
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June 28, 2020 11:26am
- Swifty
  
  “We haven’t even started electioneering yet. And once we start putting out our BRIBES, then let’s have a look at what the polls say.”
  
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  June 28, 2020 12:44pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Indeed, $84m for Queenstown on Friday.
    
    They have $20billion left unattended, and less than 100 days to the election. They can spend $100m a day up and down the country, and not run out of cash.
    
    Being labour of course, these are announcements, they don’t have to actually spend the money on anything either.
    
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    June 28, 2020 12:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    Swifty
    Bribes – what is that ?
    I have just been shown a newspaper publication which purports to be published by Stuff and some other advertisers and I have been asked did I believe that it constitutes an Electoral Expense as part of the $50 million given by the COL to the media.
    It appears to be obviously a publication extolling the Green Party and as such must constitute an Election Bribe.
    
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    June 28, 2020 1:07pm
    - Swifty
      
      A great point. Labour’s recent news media funding policies spell the end of a free and independent news media in NZ. It is a profound and fundamental shift in our democratic landscape and it has raised barely a murmur.
      
      Where are the hikoi the length of the country raising all hell yelling “Aotearoa is Not For Sale” or “Down with Government-controlled Speech!”? Where are the union-organised marches on Parliament? Where are the teachers letting kids out of school to paint placards and march about yelling “Long Live our Democracy”? There are none because a. Labour have done it and b. They know this will to be Labour’s advantage – so why would they object?
      
      Secondly, let’s face it – NZ First’s policies will consist of little more than:
      
      1. Promises to extract even more of New Zealander’s wealth to give to NZ First special interests and supporters, and
      
      2. The odd ‘crack down’ on something deemed too ‘liberal’ but which are, inevitably, just yet another erosion of personal liberty.
      
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      June 28, 2020 1:41pm
JibberJabber

Margaret Thatcher.

Many senior policemen put greater emphasis on maintaining ‘order’ than on upholding the law. In practice that meant failing to uphold the rights of individuals against the rule of the mob.

The application of collective guilt, running from one generation to another, is a dangerous doctrine which would leave few modern nations unscathed.

No wonder the Left hated her, they just can’t cope with reality.
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June 28, 2020 12:11pm
- SB2
  
  JibberJabber, a great many Tories also ” can’t cope with reality”
  
  They deposed her!
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:10pm
Loddenthinks

Random musing on a Sunday afternoon. Why do posters here give a continental about being down-ticked? There seems to be a bit of angst around the subject from a number of regular commenters, along the lines of “who in their right mind would down-tick that?”

Trying to get inside the head of someone that religiously and blindly down-ticks every post is futile, and doing so publicly only encourages the childish and probably ideologically driven saddo(s) that get a kick from doing it.

Well, knock yourself out, my friend. All views are welcome, and when I get down-ticks I usually have a look at my choice of words or framing, and wonder if I could have expressed myself better. On many occasions that’s the case, so you’re doing me a favour and indirectly improving the level of debate. Thank you.
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June 28, 2020 12:17pm
- brett68
  
  I automatically down vote anyone who whines about getting down voted.
  
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  June 28, 2020 12:35pm
- Steve Todd
  
  And why do commenters apologise for accidently down-ticking someone? We don’t know who the down-tickers are, so what on earth does it matter?
  
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  June 28, 2020 1:21pm
  - Swifty
    
    It’s their inner conscience speaking.
    
    I applaud it.
    
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    June 28, 2020 1:29pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I applaud it.
      
      In respect of others, perhaps. But have you ever done it yourself?
      
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      June 28, 2020 2:45pm
      - Swifty
        
        Many times – especially when I accidentally hit ‘Report’.
        
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        June 28, 2020 2:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Can honestly say i’ve never ever ‘downtiked’ anyone.
    I know just what it feels like and how important is to get upticks on these types of forums.
    
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    June 28, 2020 1:35pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Us in the real world spell it ‘downticked’, Maggie!
      
      (Says a famous idiotic typist!)
      
      The Downticker will be torn here – Downtick me (and, in effect, support you) … or Uptick me (and carry on his insane vendetta against you)…
      
      Steve/
      
      The only ‘apology’ I give in here – unless I am provably wrong on some matter – is to say ‘Me an eejit’ when my typing finger hits REPORT instead of REPLY…
      
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      June 28, 2020 1:55pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        […] is to say ‘Me an eejit’ […].
        
        Me similar.
        
        On the rare occasions I do it, I just say to myself, “You idiot!!”, keep my head down and just carry on.
        
        (I recall hitting REPORT* once, maybe twice, in almost seven years. I thought “bugger”, carried on, and nothing ever came of it.)
        
        * I would never knowingly and consciously hit REPORT. I value free expression. Consequently, I leave it up to DPF / the moderators, to police what commenters put up.
        
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        June 28, 2020 3:00pm
Inandout

Will Disney never learn how you go broke?
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/06/26/disney-developing-female-fronted-pirates-of-the-caribbean/
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June 28, 2020 12:42pm
- Jimmy White
  
  Not White women, L or T I bet too
  
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  June 28, 2020 5:09pm
- Nutta
  
  Can they putt Russ Meyer in charge of casting?
  
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  June 28, 2020 11:03pm
RJ

Looks like the health system may be dealing with the problems this virus causes for a long time

Besides the respiratory issues that leave patients gasping for breath, the virus that causes COVID-19 attacks many organ systems, in some cases causing catastrophic damage.

“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We didn’t appreciate that in the beginning,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.

Scientists just beginning to understand the many health problems caused by COVID-19
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June 28, 2020 12:46pm
- SB2
  
  RJ , makes to even sadder that the Whitehouse has bungled its through the Pandemic .
  
  Judging by the response to my post at 8.12am you would be forgiven to think that the Covid 19 pandemic was as harmless as the common cold or sniffles.
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:18pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    SB2: You do know that last year 500+ kiwis died of the ‘standard’ flu, yes? And thousands more were sickened?
    
    That is not dismissing lightly the effects of the WuFlu, but it is pointing out that usual flus that do not panic Labourtwatwaffles into crashing the economy on advice from Pomgolian friends, also have a significant death and morbidity toll.
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:06pm
    - RJ
      
      Where do we start, a lockdown for heart disease, or perhaps cancer, maybe a lockdown to ban people driving. So much in every day life that kills far greater than this
      
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      June 28, 2020 5:30pm
      - SB2
        
        RJ, Heart disease or Cancer are unlike COVID not contagious!
        
        Think about it!.
        
        I take that its Ok for arrivals from overseas not to be quarantined?
        
        The problem with COVID is that it is very contagious!
        
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        June 28, 2020 6:51pm
      - RJ
        
        And yet more people are dying each day from those than from Covid. Almost one in every three deaths in New Zealand are from cardiovascular disease. Do tell us all how many deaths in nz are from Covid. In 2015 30% of deaths in New Zealand were caused by cancer. Please tell us how many are dying in New Zealand from Covid.
        
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        June 28, 2020 7:12pm
      - RJ
        
        I’ll give you some help
        
        In March our population reach 5,002,100.
        
        So far since Covid began in November or earlier in China 22 people in New Zealand have died from Covid related deaths. Btw, go look how many die each year in New Zealand from the flu, shit we are entering flu season. Lock the country down.
        
        Think about that.
        
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        June 28, 2020 8:20pm
      - SB2
        
        RJ , and consoider this regarding Covid’s seriousl long term effects that are becoming apparent ,
        
        Scientists just beginning to understand the many health problems caused by COVID-19
        
        Julie Steenhuysen
        5 MIN READ
        
        CHICAGO (Reuters) – Scientists are only starting to grasp the vast array of health problems caused by the novel coronavirus, some of which may have lingering effects on patients and health systems for years to come, according to doctors and infectious disease experts.
        …”
        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-effects-idUSKBN23X1BZ
        
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        June 28, 2020 8:50pm
  - RJ
    
    The Federal Government is their to assist when called upon in the response to Covid the Governors were in charge of their response for their individual states, and where those governors asked for help they actually got it, I see the field hospitals went unused in one case and barely used in the other case in New York. But alas this post had zero to do with politics, please keep your obsession with Trump out of my posts.
    
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    June 28, 2020 5:32pm
Maggie Pie

Just been back thru all my comments from yesterday to tally up the number of ‘Upticks’.
Was a bit disappointed to see there were a couple of negative replies to my post about buying ‘Moccona #10 Instant Coffee’ for my partner.
Until YOU’VE forked out 26 bucks a jar and drunk it poured over a heaping tablespoon of Sweetened Condensed Milk – MOCK NOT!
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June 28, 2020 12:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why not buy the traditional Kiwi Caffeine & Muck or for the afficiado’s Essence of Chicory?
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  But it ain’t coffee love 😉
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:21pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’ve avoided using the well known brand name but tinned ‘Caffeine & Muck’ has been in use as coffee, sweetened with condensed milk, I believe before the start of WWII. The other gem, likewise–it was commonally served as coffee before the coffee shops opened in the 1950’s.
    
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    June 28, 2020 5:14pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Kerfuffle over Kerfofee in Kiwiland.
  
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  June 28, 2020 4:07pm
oldfella

Idiots gotta idiot – or whatever.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/loreal-remove-word-whitening-products
Not sure what Colgate will do with their ‘tooth whitening’ product. And what about Disney and ‘Snow White’?
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June 28, 2020 1:03pm
- RJ
  
  Awww, can we have a special soccer match in the USA please with the All Whites. I love reading the comments section when The All Blacks play there
  
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  June 28, 2020 1:22pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Okay, RJ. That was mildly amusing.
    
    One stipulation, though. The captain of the USA team be stood down for the match. That woman must surely be the worst, most ungracious, winner in the history of sport.
    
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    June 28, 2020 2:18pm
    - oldfella
      
      But the left love her. Really, really, love her, especially her being a lesbian and her anti-Trump politics.
      
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      June 28, 2020 2:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  This isn’t going to end well for Granny …….
  
  https://www.celawford.co.nz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=749
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:20pm
lifesgood

Four new cases of Corona virus in NZ today. Why in the hell do we continue to import infected people? They have presumably all arrived on full flights so the chances of no one else infected are slim. They seem to be coming from India, Pakistan and Nepal.
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June 28, 2020 1:17pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  They need to stop people coming in from India, Pakistan and Nepal until those countries get their covid under control. It is clearly out of control there. I don’t care whether they are permanent residents or not.
  
  There needs to be some line in the sand re where people who are infected are coming from and if they are allowed in at this point. It cannot be an all comers welcome situation looking at the consistency of origin these infected people.
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:24pm
  - MCos
    
    The virus is out of control throughout the length of most of North & South America too. Don’t forget them.
    Europe still isn’t too flash either.
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:28pm
    - RJ
      
      Very hard to tell in countries like the USA and Brazil the true spread of the virus when hospitals in brother countries are being paid per Covid patient. And in both countries hospitals have been found to be lying about how many Covid patients they have to get more money
      
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      June 28, 2020 7:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

ACT puts up its listings….

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/420011/election-2020-act-party-list-released
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June 28, 2020 1:21pm
- Tall Man
  
  Now I’d like them “colour coded” and their “identifying” traits listed 😉
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:17pm
- MCos
  
  Surely the bloke at #3 is there for more than just a pro gun platform.
  While it may be something that speaks to ACT’s personal freedom ideology it’s not a big election issue.
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:32pm
  - RJ
    
    The bloke is a Maori woman ?
    
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    June 28, 2020 5:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nicole …….. Hmmmm.
    
    It’s only an issue for 250,000 firearms owners so not a biggie ……
    
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    June 28, 2020 6:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Are you being deliberately offensive
    
    Nicole Mckee is the mother of 4 children.
    
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    June 28, 2020 6:08pm
Maggie Pie

W.O.E ?!! (…What On Earth)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgrgqkWsAAJasp?format=jpg&name=small
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June 28, 2020 1:26pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, those pics of meth addicts are horrible.
  
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  June 28, 2020 1:55pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner enlarged it by 400% …..reckons it looke like a raw prawn 🙁
    
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    June 28, 2020 2:48pm
    - RJ
      
      What did he enlarge 400% that looks like a prawn??? Maybe the water was cold
      
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      June 28, 2020 5:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  You have some nasty “twitter” friends who send those to you.
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:51pm
skyblue

Even the Aussies are starting to see thru Adern.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/new-zealand-pm-jacinda-arderns-very-bad-week/news-story/7b588176b11be09aab18a71d597fb3a3#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Chomepage-topstories%7C1%7Cstory%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1593307614627
Long may it continue .
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June 28, 2020 1:29pm
- lifesgood
  
  Sky news are scathing of her. Said she was left of Genghis Khan today.
  
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  June 28, 2020 4:24pm
RJ

So we can expect wealthy people to move their wealth out of this country if the greens get into government, idiots. Take note low and middle income New Zealand there are a shit load of new tax coming under a Labour/Green government.

The Green Party have unveiled a sweeping new welfare policy that would guarantee a weekly income of at least $325, paid for by a wealth tax on millionaires and two new income tax brackets on high-earners.

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June 28, 2020 1:44pm
- dog_eat_dog
  
  Those ‘millionaires’ will include any grandmother living our her days in her Auckland home close to her family. It’s a ‘How Dare You’ tax, nothing less.
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:17pm
  - kowtow
    
    It’s the grand children ,urban dwelling , white , middle to upper middle class , vegan/vegetarian , tertiary educated or attending females who vote for these far left loons . The same misguided , guilt ridden morons who make up the majority of the climate strike and or the BurnLootMurder solidarity marches.
    
    Once their brains and real world experience ( ie I’m voting away my inheritance ) kicks in they may see the light but many won’t. Especially if they set their sights low and go for jobs on the public tit.
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:32pm
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  RJ, whatever you can say about The Green Party they have consistently polled better than ACT or even NZ First.
  
  A fact that Todd Mueller may have to reckon with if he ever wants to govern Aotearoa NZ .
  
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  June 28, 2020 2:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Sorry mod …..
    
    Fuck you are so stupid steffy.
    
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    June 28, 2020 2:44pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I invoke Godwin. Hitler polled really well, too.
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:08pm
    - SB2
      
      Much like Stalin?
      
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      June 28, 2020 6:30pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is because there are many communist losers in “Aotearoa”. If the Greens are ever in a position to influence economic policy I will be off back home as will thousands of other “wealthy” people. So who is going to pay for their handouts to losers then?
    
    The Greens are every bit as dangerous as the Justicialist Party in Argentina. Absolute dangerous morons every last one of them.
    
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    June 28, 2020 4:33pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You might not like his politics but at least try and spell his name correctly, you fucking idiot. And where the Hell is ‘Aotearoa’ NZ?
    
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    June 28, 2020 9:23pm
- DRHILL
  
  Genuine question, would farmers also be hit with the wealth tax if they have 1 million plus of assets?
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:04pm
  - RJ
    
    Farmers? Under the greens? They’ll be taxed to hell and back and then back to hell
    
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    June 28, 2020 5:13pm
    - gorse
      
      Farmers will be screwed, their businesses rely on expensive land.
      
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      June 28, 2020 8:38pm
  - Two bob
    
    farming would be goneburgers if greens had their way.
    
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    June 28, 2020 9:02pm
- artemisia
  
  A million is not that much these days, especially for home owners and frugal working households. Interesting to see how the Greens plan to value assets while at the same time increasing income tax on, oh, employers, farmers, highly skilled employees, landlords. So the taxpayer can tip money at students, nephs on the sofa etc.
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Crikey, even a destitute bag-lady from Kaiti could be trapped by this tax.
    
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    June 28, 2020 6:30pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  How about they just fuck off.
  
  “paid for by a wealth tax on millionaires and two new income tax brackets on high-earners.”
  
  This country will be ruined if these people are returned to government. It makes me ? angry.
  
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  June 28, 2020 3:18pm
  - gorse
    
    I’ll be looking at moving at least $1M off shore asap. How many billions will leave NZ?
    
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    June 28, 2020 8:37pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “He who Robbos Peter to benefit Paul will always get Pail’s vote.”
  
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  June 28, 2020 4:31pm
- Two bob
  
  TROJAN HORSE!!! If implemented it wont be enough and will just evolve and the bar will get lowered and lowered untill anyone with more then the benefit and state house will be forced to pay up.
  
  envy dosent do anyone anygood.
  
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  June 28, 2020 7:44pm
JerJer

…..and won’t effect a married couple with a circa 2 million dollar house, because the asset can be split 50:50, so escape this threshold.

There will be so many holes in this the revenue they are expecting won’t materialise.

Idiotic policy thought up by the financially illiterate. Somebody that listened at school should have been sanity checking this before releasing it as policy.

We need the best and brightest to work hard and be rewarded for getting out of this shit these idiots have got us into, not be punished for trying.
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June 28, 2020 2:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Whew…
  I’ll just add my Kids and mokos as owners of our assets.
  
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  June 28, 2020 6:32pm
  - Swifty
    
    Exactly.
    
    I wonder what assumptions have been made by the Greens as to NZers response?
    
    How much and to what degree do they assume NZers will move to protect themselves from these new taxes?
    
    I’d love to see their figures and assumptions.
    
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    June 28, 2020 6:48pm
    - gorse
      
      Just polled 6%, next poll 4%.
      
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      June 28, 2020 8:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://genesiustimes.com/ozzy-osbourne-hired-to-interpret-joe-bidens-speeches/?fbclid=IwAR0cnrkfu2t-cJo04Pzil7GZSDLEcx9A1dohoZ7F0kg5NeypJ1-3lkam_y4
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June 28, 2020 3:09pm
SpencerArnold

I just re-watched Pink Floyds “The Wall” on DVD for the first time in a few years. Would love it if they re-released it on 4K bluray but only if the parts with Dam Busters playing that mentions Guy Gisbon’s dog are left in (so fat chance then).
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June 28, 2020 3:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sunday fun. 4 years old. Winners aren’t Losers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLvEBir9hBc
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June 28, 2020 3:44pm
JibberJabber

“I shit you, not” ?

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1276938083116691458
“They requested a police presence, y’know, for their safety, at the Defund The Police protest.”
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June 28, 2020 4:03pm
- SB2
  
  Jibber Jabber , the full story is here:
  
  .The proposed cuts to the London Metropolitan Police and Fire Service budgets will be relatively minor given they’re essential services.
  
  Sadiq Khan warns Met Police and TfL face cuts as City Hall income dives
  
  Potential cuts of almost £110m in policing and £290 million in transport were outlined today by Sadiq Khan.
  
  The Mayor revealed details of where he expects the axe to fall as a result of a feared £493m collapse in City Hall’s income due to the economic impacts of coronavirus.
  
  Its income from business rates is expected to plummet by 11 per cent by March 2022 due to closures, while council tax revenue is projected to fall by seven per cent as Londoners lose their jobs and fall into arrears….”
  
  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/police-tfl-cuts-city-hall-sadiq-khan-a4480986.html
  
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  June 28, 2020 6:43pm
  - Swifty
    
    Er, the cop is a Yank.
    
    He lives in the States.
    
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    June 28, 2020 7:02pm
    - SB2
      
      Scroll down and see how Sadiq Khan is added to the the alledged defund the police mix!
      
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      June 28, 2020 7:09pm
Swifty

More organised and coordinated Chinese bullying of NZers?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12342442
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June 28, 2020 5:44pm
- SB2
  
  Swifty, we will likely know for certain once Netsafe, the Police and private investigators have completed their investigations.
  
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  June 28, 2020 6:59pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    China is asshole. FIFY.
    
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    June 28, 2020 7:26pm
freemark

Twyford is on my flight, as we speak. Heading for the cheap seats, not looking happy. I’ll go ask him if he took a 30min tram to the airport, or why he isn’t taking the choochoo to Wgtn. ?
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June 28, 2020 6:18pm
- RJ
  
  Aren’t you glad Twyford and Clark aren’t pilots?
  
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  June 28, 2020 6:51pm
  - Two bob
    
    wouldnt be their fault if the plane crashed, with their track record its likely to not get off the ground!!
    
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    June 28, 2020 7:38pm
- Swifty
  
  PT is for the plebs freemark.
  
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  June 28, 2020 6:52pm
RJ

Very good read. Huge parts of will speak volumes of what the Labour Party and Greens have done in New Zealand.

Dear Sane Democrats,

As a conservative, I have some questions I’d like to ask you. I don’t mean this in a hostile way at all. I’m genuinely curious about the answers, even if some of them are phrased in a way that may come off as hostile or offensive. I assure you, the inquiry behind each of them is serious, and I’m hoping some of you might be able to help me understand what you’re thinking.

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In fact, the best thing to happen to kids trapped in poor-performing schools – charter schools – are in the crosshairs of the Democratic Party; set for sacrifice on the altar of campaign contributions from teachers’ unions. The very same people who’ve failed to educate kids are sinking the lifeboats. Isn’t that a problem? Of course, it is.

Link
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- Two bob
  
  cant have schools that dont indoctrinate with leftist idealogy!!
  Control the youth control the future
  
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  June 28, 2020 9:06pm
Benedict Yu

I thought the Greens were about the environment. Turns out they communists. What. THE. Hell. Nobody with brains will stay here. How can it be possible that there are such stupid people in this country? New Zealand in 2025 will be like Argentina. Certain. But people cannot see that . I have studied Argentina going back 50 years. This will be New Zealand.
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June 28, 2020 7:58pm
- RJ
  
  Originally, when they had decent leaders, now they are just a social engineering party
  
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  June 28, 2020 8:15pm
- Steve Todd
  
  As I’ve said to you before, Benedict, when the borders are open and you’re outta here, please let us know your actual departure date, so we can (wish you luck and) wave you goodbye.
  
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  June 28, 2020 8:31pm
- Two bob
  
  I had a weeks essential work at start of lockdown and 2 of the other guys were argentinian and said the exact same thing, nz is on a path to no good and misery just like argentina, the well educated chap thought nz had already gone to far to turn back!!
  
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