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June 18, 2020 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Mike

Happy Waterloo Day!
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June 18, 2020 8:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The guillotine did make governance more accountable.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:11am
  - Two bob
    
    even stockades would go a long way.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:23am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    One of the few good things about the guillotine was that it, in time, consumed the rabid lefties of the day. Sadly, only after their reign of terror had decapitated thousands of innocents.
    
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    June 18, 2020 7:15pm
- kowtow
  
  Where brave Picton met his.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Keep telling lies and one day the shit will hit the fan.
As I said yesterday “Sad that more questions are not asked of the PM. It is way past the time she was put on the spot and thoroughly grilled about her constant lies”
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June 18, 2020 8:02am
- hullkiwi
  
  What by the publicly paid for Jessica, or the equally desperate Tova? I don’t think so!
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Amazing what $50M will buy
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:21am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Even more amazing just how many non-politician people are to blame when there is a f#@k up.
      
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      June 18, 2020 8:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sycophants
        
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        June 18, 2020 9:30am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Hey, they were doing it before that, way before.
      
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      June 18, 2020 4:10pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      $50 mil will get you a swing set to go with the slide at parliament when they replace Mallard, as project manager, with Twyford.
      
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      June 18, 2020 4:37pm
- amospicton
  
  She frequently answers questions with “I’ve always said…..”. Seems to me that is only something someone would say if they’re concerned about their tendency to lie. The lies and incompetence might just be coming home to roost.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:08am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    What do you expect, she was selected to play Prime Minister, not to be Prime Minister.
    
    Everything is about spin, appearance and theatre.
    
    So we had pretend quarantine? So what? At the time the sheep felt better about it.
    
    Unfortunately there are always consequences.
    
    They are now here. Closing the borders and locking people up is the modus operandi of a police state. Deploying troops to ensure we stay locked down is merely step 2. Next it will be revealed that there are wreckers and haters amongst us, and the military will be needed to keep order…
    
    We will learn to love the Cadaverous Dear Leader, who loves us so much and has sacrificed so much for us….
    
    Or alternatively we could wake up, grow up and recognise that there is no cure for a coronovirus, and we will have to live with it and achieve herd immunity.
    
    The only solution is to protect the vulnerable, and to be a bit careful. wash hands etc.
    
    Imprisoning the well – or at least those who aren’t connected, or don’t care – is a failed experiment, and no amount of pink haired loons lecturing at us is going to make a virus go away, or bring back jobs.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:58am
    - Akarak
      
      I WILL NEVER RETURN TO LOCKDOWN!
      
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      June 18, 2020 11:16am
      - stigie
        
        Be kind and do as you are told !~ //
        
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        June 18, 2020 11:48am
- Gravelroad
  
  Some people have a passive/aggressive personality.
  All questioning needs to be on their terms.
  You get one shot.
  If the question meets the requirements, it is acceptable – smiles and nods all round – and this leads to a kind response next time.
  If the questions are too challenging, you won’t get many other opportunities to ask again another time and the aggressive trait is on full display.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:20am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Agreed. If Ardern doesn’t like the line of questioning that media outlet are likely to find their access to interviews cut off.
    
    Btw I think tv3 have done the better job of critiquing the government than the lackeys at tv1 and rnz.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:46am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Btw I think tv3 have done the better job of critiquing the government than the lackeys at tv1 and rnz.
      All the more reason to sell TV1 and 2.
      To private enterprises, gives NO govt. a compliant , controlled outlet for propaganda.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:25am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Her mentor?
  If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
  
  Joseph Goebbels.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:58am
  - IC5000
    
    Exactly. Just like that wall that Trump was supposed to build which Mexico would pay for.
    
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    June 18, 2020 5:03pm
- Two bob
  
  hey guys I just found labours instructional video on what to do when things go pear shaped.
  
  https://youtu.be/peUyLXrgYZ0
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:06am
- lastmanstanding
  
  This is the tipping point. Newstalk ZB is full of exLabour and swing voters calling out Cindy and the COL over the 2 women who went to Wellington.
  
  In every event there is always a tipping point. A point where enough supporters turn on the Leader and their Party and say enough is enough we dont trust you you have lied to us.
  
  This is that time. The Nats and ACT need to keep the focus on the matter and keep hammering how 5 million did what they were told only to find these muppets had over reacted acted to late did the wrong not the right things and the result is generations of economic chaos to come.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:24pm
Maggie Pie

Oh the IRONY….

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EasPR6TXsAAzh-3?format=jpg&name=medium
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June 18, 2020 8:02am
- Swifty
  
  When I was growing up people waited until their senior years before writing about their lives (unless they were sportspeople writing about their recently-completed sporting careers).
  
  Interesting that this is out just before an election.
  
  I’d be shitting if I was her too – much of Jacinda’s current support has been taken directly from Green share of the 2017 vote.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:12am
- stewmar
  
  Golriz is just a nobody of no consequence
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:20am
  - kowtow
    
    One dollar bin at the Wareyfarry.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:29am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Yeah, I can buy table wedges for my shed furniture cheaper than her BS tome – and they’ll do a better job too.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:30am
- Evadne
  
  I’ll meet your cynically timed narcissistic autobiography and raise you one outrageously ( but amusingly) timed hagiography: https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/taking-the-lead-9780143774518
  
  How Jacinda wowed the world.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:28am
  - Local Miller
    
    I hope this is being tracked by the electoral commission and seen as part of the Liebour election campaign.
    Do the Left not see how much this smack of communist country style indoctrination? Even the style of the illustrations matches.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:45am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It’s illustrated?
      
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      June 18, 2020 8:57am
      - Evadne
        
        It’s aimed at her preferred audience: schools and kindys.
        
        Going by the infantile style she regularly adopts when addressing “her people”, she no doubt she had them in mind when she gave her daily stand up.
        
        (It’s a children’s picture book).
        
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        June 18, 2020 9:04am
      - fisho
        
        In order to appeal to the greatest number of Labour supporters it’s been released as a colouring in book.
        
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        June 18, 2020 9:12am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        A colouring in book is no bloody good for Labour pollies nor supporters.
        
        Too hard to keep between the lines.
        
        Any book for them should be released it as one of those books from my childhood where you just brushed water over the pages and the colours magically appeared.
        
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        June 18, 2020 9:52am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        A book for kiddies is brainwashing.
        Where are the real lawyers when we need them?
        
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        June 18, 2020 11:52am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        fisho – you mean people who can’t even stay within the lines let alone read between them?
        
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        June 18, 2020 11:53am
  - kowtow
    
    “When Jacinda was little, she wanted to be a clown. But when she saw schoolmates who didn’t have lunch, or even shoes, she knew she had to do something. Some kids laughed at her for wanting to help people so much, or said she couldn’t do it. But that didn’t stop Jacinda.
    
    She became the Prime Minister of New Zealand, and the world’s youngest female leader.
    
    This is the true story of a trailblazer who has inspired people around the planet, told by award-winning author and illustrator.”
    
    The title should be Taking the Piss. She’s not a clown but she’s running a clown show and under her watch food bank queues have grown massively. The inspirational story of how brown kids go hungry in the kingdom of a white entitled princess.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:55am
    - Swifty
      
      Are you joking?
      
      It that quote actually verbatim?
      
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      June 18, 2020 9:45am
      - oldfella
        
        Yes, the quote is from the publicity blurb that’s used to sell the book. Feeling a bit sick yet?
        
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        June 18, 2020 10:21am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep , thus the ” marks.
        
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        June 18, 2020 10:49am
      - Swifty
        
        Nauseating.
        
        Interesting how many on the left venerate their leaders. It’s almost religious. Look at Savage, Kirk, Lange, Clark and now Ardern.
        
        Loved. Adored. “Mother/Father of the nation.
        
        I reckon there have been some pretty good National leaders over the years – but you’ll never catch me elevating them to sainthood, hanging their portraits in the house or even backing them unequivocally. They are merely other citizens after all and with absolute certainty have their own bad points and weaknesses.
        
        It’s not just NZ we’ll note too.
        
        http://www.eddiessovietposters.com/download-image/LeninStalinRedArmySovietPoster.html
        
        Ever recall a Conservative march in London with people carrying huge photos of Thatcher? National supporters marching down Lambton Quay holding aloft great pictures of Holyoake?
        
        https://www.rbth.com/arts/history/2017/08/30/stalin-and-sport-how-the-leader-promoted-his-ideology-at-parades_830968
        
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        June 18, 2020 11:09am
      - Swifty
        
        kowtow – thanks, I’m speechless.
        
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        June 18, 2020 11:10am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Swifty @ 11:09AM
        
        Okay, Swifty, consider the following—
        
        We have Hamilton, Holland, Holyoake, Marshall (according to him [1954], from the condemned murderer’s point of view, being hanged is better than spending the rest of [his] life in jail), Muldoon, McLay, Bolger, (the ghastly) Shipley, English, Brash, Key, English (again), Bridges, and Muller.
        
        Now tell me, Swifty, which one of those esteemed personages was / could ever have been, considered venerable, lovable, and / or adorable? I put it to you, not a one of them.
        
        Alright, I’ll be kind: had he had the chance, Don might have begun to approach a certain “adorableness”, in women’s eyes only (primarily because of his gentlemanly awkwardness), and yes, for some reason that entirely escapes me, “that nice Mr Key” seemed to hit it off with some women, too.
        
        The simple fact is, it is almost impossible to be a right-wing politician, and be venerable, lovable, or adorable. Why? Because that is simply not how they “hang”; they don’t have the common touch. Generally, they come across as unlovable and unadorable, and therefore unvenerable.
        
        How many of National’s leaders will be remembered the way Savage, Kirk, Lange and Adern are / will be? Answer: none.
        
        Why is it a bad thing that some Labour leaders have engendered emotions approaching veneration, love, and adoration? Are you suggesting that “the sheeple” (as some KBers like to describe the People) are simple, unintelligent, easily led, despite the fact that, come October 2020, National will have been in government for 47 of the last 71 years?
        
        I generally like your contributions, Swifty, but this time, you have been unnecessarily unfair.
        
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        June 18, 2020 6:09pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Arrgh! Ardern.
        
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        June 18, 2020 6:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        Steve Todd, thanks for your considered reply, you raise some interesting points.
        
        I’m sorry, but I’m not in a position tonight to pen a considered response, but maybe at some future time.
        
        I’ll make a very quick point though – you seem to imply that leaders are venerated by some people because of their adorableness, among other things, or because of how they make some people feel.
        
        You are making a mistake if you think that applies to me.
        
        I judge people who are in positions of responsibility on their results. Almost exclusively on their results. My ‘feelings’ generally don’t come in to it.
        
        This is why I fail to understand Jacindamania. Nor have respect for Jacindamaniacs. This is because I ask what has she actually achieved?
        
        Pre-COVID great swathes of important indicators of NZ’s wellbeing were going backwards. Post the COVID response that she, and the Labour Party, has engineered we will see our wellbeing indicators march backwards at a rate that the signs are will be breathtaking.
        
        Also, I am not someone to venerate anybody. I can have tremendous respect for someone – for what they have accomplished, for what they have achieved. But, I’m sorry, I look for far, far more from those who lord over us than simply making me ‘feel good’.
        
        Be sure, mark you, that I fully understand many NZers do not think (feel) similarly.
        
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        June 18, 2020 7:16pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Swifty @ 7:16PM
        
        you seem to imply that leaders are venerated by some people because of their adorableness, […].
        
        No, Swifty, you implied that, by saying—
        
        Interesting how many on the left venerate their leaders. It’s almost religious. Look at Savage, Kirk, Lange, Clark and now Ardern.
        
        Loved. Adored. “Mother/Father of the nation.
        
        Later, you said—
        
        Also, I am not someone to venerate anybody.
        
        I didn’t suggest that. But you clearly implied that left-wing voters were somehow so simplistic – as opposed to right-wing voters – that they venerate their political “heroes”, when (many) right-wing voters do the same, e.g., in respect of Muldoon and Key.
        
        Swifty, I was just trying to provide some balance to your comment. By all means come back at me if you must, but really, I think we’re all square.
        
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        June 18, 2020 8:48pm
    - fisho
      
      You couldn’t make this crap up. She’s seriously outdone herself, not a lowly clown, ringmaster extraordinaire. Overachiever.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:29am
    - Akarak
      
      “When Jacinda was little, she wanted to be a clown”
      She got her wish.
      
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      June 18, 2020 11:22am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Whenever does she find the time? When she isn’t in the house?
        
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        June 18, 2020 4:22pm
      - IC5000
        
        When you’re little it’s an admirable goal as opposed to writing hate on the internet.
        
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        June 18, 2020 5:08pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Who is that normal healthy chick on the cover?
    
    The anorexic cadaver waving her hands at us on Facebook would like to know!
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:01am
  - Fletch
    
    Destined to end up in the $2 bargin bin…
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:47am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Saw a couple of books, in the book shop, about dear old Jacinda.
    I took note, none of them were in their top 100 best sellers.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:01am
- Komata
  
  Maggie Pie@0802
  
  And curiously, absolutely NO sign of any ‘Shock Horror’ expose’ from a certain Harger N.
  
  One did wonder why, until it was realised that, of course, because HE is now part of the ‘elite’ Inner Circle, HE is now one of the ‘Powerful’ and you rarely rat on your fellow Komrades, unless it is to further your own advantage…
  
  No doubt he is glorifying in his importance…
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:42am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Nah, he is ever a chancer. When the wheels fall off, he will be there with another “I always knew it wasn’t real socialism ™ and this is why it was a plot by the capitalist establishment to trick us into doing the US’s evil doing.
    
    Princess Cindy will become a CIA plant to drive our economy into the control of the international illuminati puppeteers!
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:03am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Judith’s book must be ready for release soon.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:26am
- tf78
  
  She has no place in New Zealand as far as I’m concerned.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:26am
  - Swifty
    
    That’s going too far.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:46am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      No, no it’s not. She belongs in the Kremlin on the Potomac.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:31am
    - tf78
      
      She has rubbished OUR country for the last 30 odd months and we’re paying her for it. She does not deserve to be a New Zealander let alone a member of parliament.
      
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      June 18, 2020 6:39pm
- chaos
  
  Cheaper and softer
  
  https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/soft-touch-toilet-tissue-white-32s/R2491028.html#q=Toilet%2Bpaper&simplesearch=Go&start=1
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:36am
All_on_Red

You have to admire Labour.
Their dedication to being consistently incompetent is impressive
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June 18, 2020 8:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  They have raised incompetence and ineptitude into an art form!
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Theatre of the Absurd
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Fraud really, offering themselves for Executive Office they are not capable of performing.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:24am
  - GT Build
    
    Is that why the arts got a big handout?
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:22am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sadly, Todd was not quite right, he said only “3 of the cabinet were doing the heavy lifting.”
  
  It now appears that the government is really only Robertson and PriNZess – the spin merchant.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:08am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I think the third person Muller was referring to was David Parker, who is doing a pretty solid job in trade.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:19am
    - Aliog
      
      Sorry Tony – accidental downtick from me.
      
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      June 18, 2020 8:27am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Tony, through gritted teeth, I have to agree with you about Parker in his trade role (but only in that role).
      
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      June 18, 2020 8:32am
      - Swifty
        
        Sure he talks the talk – but what has he actually delivered in trade thus far?
        
        You know like concessions granted to us, tariffs lowered or abolished, volumes increased, quotas smashed, new trade agreements, new market access etc etc etc.
        
        Not a lot as far as I’m aware.
        
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        June 18, 2020 8:51am
      - Durden
        
        Swifty,
        
        Parker renamed the TPP trade agreement to CPTPP and accepted it as-is in its entirety as it had already been negotiated. Since then zilch.
        
        Oh ! And as a side effect managed to shut up Dr Jane Kelsey. That has got to be good.
        
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        June 18, 2020 9:12am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Agree swifty, where was he when the US put tariffs on steel and Aluminium.
        The US gave us pathway to appeal, BUT we never did.
        
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        June 18, 2020 10:05am
      - Swifty
        
        And, Durden, wasn’t that one of the most disgraceful displays of mass-hysteria and deceit ever perpetuated by the Labour and Green parties on a gullible NZ public that we’ve ever witnessed? Capably supported by the unions and other lefty-allies and which demonstrated that they are entirely without principle.
        
        The TPPA was supposedly going to bring about the end of civilisation as we know it, we would ‘lose our sovereignty’, we would be ordered about at the whim of overseas corporates and our entire livelihoods imperiled. National was ‘selling us out’ and of course “Aotearoa is not for sale!’
        
        Massive public marches, hikoi, demonstrations, flooded social media, public meetings etc then ensued.
        
        But what then happened after the 2017 election? Labour changed a couple of minor clauses, as you say slapped a new title on it and passed it otherwise unchanged.
        
        And what did we then hear from Labour and the Green’s allies? “Well done Jacinda and the team for passing this wonderful trade agreement!!”
        
        Those of us who followed this issue unfold could do nothing but stare open-mouthed at the naked hypocrisy and deceit that we had just witnessed – and marvel at the credulousness of our fellow citizens.
        
        Honestly in decades to come there will be Labour, union and Green people still dining out on the TPPA story – how National did all the work, copped all the (Labour and union-initiated) flak and abuse and then Labour just sailed in at the last minute, passed an almost identical agreement and received all the plaudits – while being lauded by their supporters as having saved NZ from National.
        
        They will be heaving with laughter at how many dupes they have supporting them in New Zealand.
        
        And what makes this all doubly-two-faced from Labour? They have happily signed us up to HUNDREDS of international agreements over the decades. Ever hear a peep from their supporters about the loss of sovereignty that they involve?
        
        The whole thing was a totally manufactured political beat-up by Labour and the unions from start to finish.
        
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        June 18, 2020 10:27am
    - mandk
      
      Isn’t sending Parker to trade negotiations a bit like sending the school second XV to play the All Blacks?
      
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      June 18, 2020 8:43am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No, I actually think Parker, although I dislike his politics, is a pretty able Minister
        
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        June 18, 2020 8:53am
    - pdm
      
      Parker might be reasonably competent in trade but it is hard to like or respect him.
      
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      June 18, 2020 8:48am
    - amospicton
      
      I heard Parker speak once ona topic I knew more about than he did, although I’m sure that scenario is something that has never occurred to him. He was essentially incoherent under the cover of self-importance. Just another hollow suit in my view.
      
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      June 18, 2020 9:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  Ah yes, but I think you will find that the current situation is really National’s fault.
  I have heard Ms Ardern two or three times already claim that members of the opposition put pressure on by begging for people to be exempted for travel round the country and overseas, go to funerals, visit sick relatives, have parties etc.
  And because she and her government are so kind, they had to give in to these demands.
  National and ACT has made everything so much more difficult, you see?
  By the way, what happened about that pandemic Committee Mr Bridges chaired?
  Any report back, recommendations, conclusions?
  Or has that all been binned, just like Bridges?
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Compassionate exemptions would not have been a problem had the rules around quarantine been strictly followed. Clearly, they were not, and that’s where the problem lies. And that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the National Party.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:57am
    - amospicton
      
      Nor anything to do with compassionate leave. The lack of testing is the issue, not the leave itself. Shutting that down again is yet another illustration of the lack of joined up thinking.
      
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      June 18, 2020 9:33am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Yes, there are plenty of issues with quarantine aside from compassionate leave. Nobody is tested at any stage unless they self report symptoms, and intermingling with new arrivals into quarantine is possible.
        
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        June 18, 2020 11:31am
      - Akarak
        
        A National member lobbies for compassionate leave on behalf of two women. The women are released. Those women are found to be Covid 19 positive.
        So our local press call it a National own goal. Could someone enlighten me on how this can be the case, especially when the decision to approve the application would have been made by a Labour Minister. Even the media have now adopted a bad case of Jacindaspeak.
        
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        June 18, 2020 5:20pm
    - jv
      
      Yes NOTHING. We are being set up for more punishment because of an administrative cockup or an inside job under instruction. The Sroubeck syndrome. The only possibility of trust now being restored is when we know that there is no however distant link to or near the top for these 2 women.
      
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      June 18, 2020 9:35am
    - chukar
      
      Sadly National does not appear to have anything to do with anything.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:30am
  - Swifty
    
    “I have heard Ms Ardern two or three times already claim that members of the opposition put pressure on by begging for people to be exempted for travel round the country and overseas, go to funerals……”
    
    Classic Labour misdirection. I won’t say lie because there is partial truth in it. What she has missed out though is that while National and others have called for this it was never without strict quarantining controls.
    
    Unless, of course, Ardern can produce the evidence of National people calling for totally unrestricted, uncontrolled, quarantine-less movement and I bet she can’t.
    
    Just one piece of evidence will do. Just one……
    
    Waiting.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:59am
Simon

Karen is sending in the military. Greta wasn’t available.
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June 18, 2020 8:06am
- G152
  
  Now where have I seen an incompetent government call in the military to fix their cockup…..
  And how did all that turn out ???????
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:20am
RRM

As a National/Act voter I’m resigned to a big election loss in September 2020. Even after this week’s quarantine clusterfuck. The Jacinda love is just too strong. Everything national throws at her bounces off.

But at least there will be a FABULOUS side-show, in the form of the Waiariki seat:

HANNAH TAMAKI vs TAMATI COFFEY

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=12340627

The hidden voice of Māori arch-conservatism and homophobia, colliding head-on with the flamboyant, smart-arse public face of the Māori “rainbow community.”

I’m expecting it to be spectacular. Claws out, and handbags at twenty paces. Righteous outrage.

No idea who will be the winner, but no matter what happens dignity will be the loser.
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June 18, 2020 8:08am
- Maxx
  
  I kind of want Tamaki to win if for nothing else it would be an interesting spectacle for 3 years
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:54am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’m not resigned to a loss at all RRM. We saw how quickly the pendulum swung in favour of Labour. With everything that’s been revealed in the last 24 hours, it will swing back again.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:06am
  - RRM
    
    I wish I shared your optimism!
    
    Jacinda will say “Yes but our team of 5 million beat Covid 19”, the media party will broadcast that far and wide, half the country will melt and give her another 3 years. I’ve seen enough of this by now…
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:14am
    - namron
      
      I’d love to see some way that there could be another “team” to be a member of.
      I am definitely not in Jacinda’s “team of 5 million”!!!
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:20am
  - kloyd0306
    
    I’m with you but the sheeple are not.
    Plus, Muller and Kaye are nowhere.
    Be prepared for another 3 years of this mob.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:53am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      See my 9.43am post below Kloyd
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:00am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I hope you are right Tony, but unfortunately i think there are too many sheeple out there that just stick there fingers in their ears ang go “La la la la la” when anyone says anything negative about Jacinda.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:51am
- lastmanstanding
  
  RRM I wouldnt write off Nat/ACT yet. Theres a lot of water to pass under the bridge. I suspect we will get a second wave of Covid-19. This thing is a Hydra.
  
  We have over 200 people crossing the borders every day. Overseas evern Doctors in PPE died. It wont take much for a another outbreak.
  
  What do Cindy and Grant do then. Go back to Level 4 or do what other countries are doing and let it spread. Either way Labour would be toast come election day.
  
  And thats what Labour are worried about. Even if we dont get a second wave the ‘quiet tories” havent ben heard yet. All we have heard is the noisy Left including the MSM.
  
  Remember around 17% ‘dont knows” in the latest polls. Thats a lot and more than enough to swing the vote.
  
  As the old saying goes this wont be over until the fat lady sings.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:15am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Jacinda is pathetic over this. Team of 5 million when going good, but not taking responsibility as the captain.
    
    She has been micromanaging Covid Response from the start. Our only response at the moment is the border control. She should have had independent verification of what was happening at quarantine and borders. It’s not like there wasn’t rumours and reports of slip ups.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:34am
seismac

Do you trust Labour to look after your county and mine for the next 3 years ???????
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June 18, 2020 8:11am
- Tony Stuart
  
  In a word, no.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not even for the next 3 months
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:24am
- Two bob
  
  I didnt trust them this 3yr term certainly dont trust them for another
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:26am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Freudian slip?
  “Do you trust Labour to look after your county and mine for the next 3 years ???????”
  County???
  That is how they are using the PGF, to play each county off against each other.
  Allowing each county to believe they will be better off, than the next one.
  Meanwhile…the COUNTRY goes to hell in a hand basket.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:13am
Justitia

A miracle of science and a proof of sainthood? New Zealand detected no cases of COVID 19 crossing its borders for 23 days from among the nearly two thousand international arrivals each week until two women were granted compassionate leave to depart quarantine early to drive to Wellington to comfort a family member. In Wellington they tested positive for COVID 19. At the same time Australia has reported it has detected a dozen or more cases of infection crossing its border over the same period. Surely St Jacinda’s protecting powers are truly divine? Or are we being spoon fed bullshit by incompetents?
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June 18, 2020 8:11am
- G152
  
  That the government has been caught out in a deliberate lie isnt unusual.
  What, however is, is that when the minister for beach and bikes was asked by the opposition about this he flat out denied that it had happened.
  And now we’re going to have our military running things because the elected Peters pitifuls cant
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:24am
  - hullkiwi
    
    But it is all to reassure the Sheeple that St Jscinda and her paid officials are back in control. This of course will only be for as long as the media are looking that way. Then Jacinda & co will get the media to shift their focus until the next China flu/disease case walks through the border again.
    
    Remember, remember it is how the message is spun, the truth is an optional extra.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:55am
- Komata
  
  Justitia@0811
  
  It was every-so-convenient wasn’t it, and purely coincidental that ‘suddenly’ two poms should make their appearance and create another situation which ‘could’ (If Dear Leader deems it necessary), lead to further restrictions…
  
  Most unusual timing really…
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:46am
  - Sacha
    
    I rather think that the NZ population has done the lockdown thing, and is over it. The people gave it a go, but really – was that all there was?
    A fair percentage think that the whole pandemic thing has been over-egged.
    The Government can impose anything it likes, but if the people don’t believe, it’s all a waste of time.
    I think people realise that, yes, if you are frail in health (for whatever reason) you may very well succumb – just as you might in any regular influenza season. Healthy people may feel very ill for a few days – as they do with real ‘flu, but will recover.
    
    Time to move on.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:06am
- Maxx
  
  It’s easy to have cases for those in quarantine if you don’t test them.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:56am
- tf78
  
  Maybe they didn’t test for 23 days.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:33am
- Jimmy White
  
  Mutant strain of Covid in China: Reaction..Lets open up flights to China
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:08am
  - Piniwi
    
    Already booked JW for the first plane load will be wheels up June 22 with weekly loads to follow. As Air NZ starts it’s own recovery plan.
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:00pm
- Durden
  
  Justisia, With the recent examples of official bungling, the statement “no cases of COVID 19 crossing its borders for 23 days” will be proven to be a lie.
  
  Can’t imagine the border control processes NOT having let in the virus. There are cases out there have simply not been tested and confirmed so far.
  
  The crappy contact tracing system given the acceptable “tick” by the Labour list candidate Ayesha “Quid pro quo” Verral will be under stress right now trying to follow-up 320 potential contacts in the trail left behind by just the two woman.
  
  And god alone knows how many unidentified cases exist from mistakes like the exceptions for Christchurch Tangi and Hamilton Tangi and whoever this person from the US was who met over 40 people the day after arrival.
  
  Because all actors involved are lying or obfuscating.
  
  Our media are just useless pussies – no digging and no asking hard questions. Maybe some citizen activism is required. Just common people with phone cameras hanging around areas near quarantine hotels and local pubs etc.
  
  Because as somebody said “in NZ someone always knows” which was the undoing of Rainbow Warrior bombers.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:11am
I remember when

What a difference a day makes.
A lost at the border and National passes on the news.
Birthday Party in lockdown facility and authorities cant count to three or twelve. You are okay off you go no need for clearance test.
Verral goes feral.
Two months of great PR turns to Cinders and Ash.
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June 18, 2020 8:12am
- stewmar
  
  “ Two months of great PR turns to Cinders and Ash”
  
  Brilliant!!!!
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:23am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “Cinders and Ash.”
  
  Winner!
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:16am
greenfinger

The system and rules didn’t fail, the people did, starting from the top. The simple fact is this whole administration failed, and worse still, they all stood on that podium, doing their “little dance“, made Trump-like misleading statements to the public that were fringing on lies. Ardern failed on housing, failed on child poverty and now failed on implementing her own rules. Basically, an abject failure after three years in government. All she has to write home about is more debt and joblessness. Let’s all pray this latest balls up of hers doesn’t lead to another 3.9 lockdown, more job losses and another $50bn in debt.
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June 18, 2020 8:12am
- Maxx
  
  This all started with David Clark abolishing health targets, leading to a system of no accountability, which we see from the his own self down, refusing to take any responsibility for what has happened.
  
  They keep on toting lines like “I don’t personally do the test” as their defense, yet they would gladly hold the CEO and directors of an organisation to account for the actions of their staff. Maybe Greg Foran should just start saying “I don’t issue the refunds”, Nick Grayson can say “I don’t actually do the store closures”. Angry Jacinda can take it out on the staff below.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:03am
  - Paulus
    
    Clarke did/does not have the intelligence to cancel reports and statistics by himself.
    He was only doing as he was told.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:00am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Captain is supposed to go down with the ship! However, this ship of fools is different. Sounds like the Costa Concordia really, the Captain was first in the denial liferaft.
    Well done Cindy! You may consider us to be fools but I can assure you, we are not!
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:29am
- Ian Boag
  
  Someone at the bottom signed them out ….
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:36am
  - herb1
    
    Maybe but subordinates only take the actions allowed them by their superiors , or they take actions that they believe weak leaders won’t mind.
    Perhaps Ian instead of 3 years of excuses from you , you could wake up to the fact that Arderns script reading, smiling and tilting her head, isn’t a replacement for leadership, competence and simply doing the job she’s paid $10000 every week
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:01am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Not maybe – someone at the bottom did sign them out. You seem to be making some vague excuses for them. Still, it’s a free country and all that.
      
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      June 18, 2020 3:13pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    So. What. Have you not heard of accountability? It starts at the top. Sheesh.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:58am
    - Ian Boag
      
      And it never gets to the bottom?
      
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      June 18, 2020 3:14pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I can’t see the public cooperating with a move back to Level 2, let alone Level 3+. It would lead to mass disobedience and cost them the election. Not going to happen no matter what.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:59am
- Rachael Membery
  
  ‘I owe my soul to the company store?’
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:43pm
Simon

The hunt for 320. Hunt them down. Its like they have a brief case nuke or something.

The narrative is all important. It masks the grinding incompetence of the Ardern government. When the narrative slips it is a brief case nuke for this brittle useless government.
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June 18, 2020 8:13am
Maggie Pie

Called into Countdown on my way home this morning.
The entire range of ‘Uncle Ben’s Rice’ has been taken from the shelves and all the ‘Coco Pop’ boxes have been turned around.
WTF?
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June 18, 2020 8:13am
- Two bob
  
  turn ardern style on cereal?
  
  The worlds gone mad, completely mad this is a side affect and sign of mental health issues that global lockdowns have produced.
  
  remove citizens power and they will do anything to gain some sort of power and control in their lives no matter how big or small the gain is… silly pc crap they fixate on is just an indication of the mental capacity these ppl have, and yes they do vote and do breed. sigh 🙁
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    What’s mad is how the silent majority is allowing a tiny ,violent and vitriolic activist group to drive the agenda , along with an activist media.
    The divisiveness they are pushing is down right dangerous.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:43am
- rouppe
  
  Cause… Racism
  
  Coco pops
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12340548
  
  The “uncle” in uncle ben’s is a slavery reference.
  
  That’ll be the driver
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:20am
- JamesP
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12340548
  
  Apparently Coco pops and monkeys and brown people are all inextricably linked in the “minds” of the obviously non-racist.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:21am
  - Jules99
    
    When I see a pic of a monkey, I don’t think ‘brown person’. It’s a monkey and often pretty cute.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:43am
    - rouppe
      
      It’s the juxtaposition with sister – cereal crispy creme. That has white people on the box, the coco pops a monkey.
      
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      June 18, 2020 9:01am
      - Evadne
        
        And Frosties have a tiger.
        
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        June 18, 2020 9:17am
      - plc
        
        Could you please explain it a little more
        
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        June 18, 2020 9:52am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      When I see a picture of a monkey, I think of what I sometimes say to myself when I view the world at large:
      
      “Not my circus, not my monkeys, not my problem.”
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:00pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    The racists are the people making the links in their crappy minds. I remember quoting Spike Milligan’s ‘1000 Hairy Savages’ to a former friend. He immediately said “That’s racist!!”
    
    Who’s the racist? That former friend actually made the racist assumption.
    
    Spike did not link ‘Savages’ with people of any race. Just visit a few European museums and caves to see how ‘white people’ used to exist.
    
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    June 18, 2020 3:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have you checked the Milky Bars?
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:27am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No, but tell you what i am going to do – shoot out to Martha’s Backyard this morning and buy all the ‘Aunt Jemima ‘ they got on dem shelves 😛
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:38am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Are they privileged?
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:46pm
  - Akarak
    
    How will they handle the white sugar thing and will there be a demand to change the colour of toothpaste?
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://au.news.yahoo.com/popular-breakfast-cereal-coco-pops-criticised-over-racist-branding-233942085.html
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:29am
- Two bob
  
  wonder if teabags are next? who picks the leaves and how little they get paid would border on slavery.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:29am
  - Evadne
    
    Not at all. The current crop of anti-slavery campaigners are only interested in shouting down the centuries to tell dead people they were wrong. And reminding everyone who came after that we are to blame for what those dead people did, in some sort of reverse cause and effect.
    
    These brave anti-slavery protesters, however, are not at all against (or moved by, or interested in) present day slavery, human trafficking, forced labour, indentured servitude, subsistence peasantry, etc, currently occuring throughout the world.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They are just waiting for their puppet masters to enslave them in their new communist world.
      Some have always been masters and others servants. That’s human nature. What happened in Russia post revolution? Didn’t oligarchs eventually take over the peasants?
      
      In many ways the Tweedle-Dee, Tweedle-Dum Govts/govts we have had in NZ over the past century have been much better. We have had freedom until recently and a healthy growing society. Now the rule of law has been abandoned for Ardernship where fraud has operated as a substitute for truth. The French had a fix for that when rulers went too far. We’re a bit stuck in the meantime.
      ☑️☑️NZ needs National NOW☑️☑️
      
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      June 18, 2020 9:11am
    - Jimmy White
      
      The number of people currently enslaved around the world is far greater than the number of slaves during the historical Atlantic slave trade. Were is are Woke cry and marches about this????
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:13am
      - kowtow
        
        Including here.
        
        ‘Samoan chief Joseph Auga Matamata found guilty of human trafficking and slavery charges’
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/411939/samoan-chief-joseph-auga-matamata-found-guilty-of-human-trafficking-and-slavery-charges
        
        And plenty more stories around how liquor stores are run.
        
        But look , Captain Cook !
        
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        June 18, 2020 10:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Where I live in UK for many years had at the bottom of our garden (Wadesmill/Thundridge, Herts) an obelisk to William Wilberforce put there in 1879 by the local squire and others to signify the point on the road to Cambridge where Wilberfoce is believed to have decided return to London to lead the movement for the abolition of Slavery.
      
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      June 18, 2020 11:07am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        History has lessons for all, even the Wokies, if we would but heed them. Thanks for that Paulus, I did not know that bit of history until now.
        
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        June 18, 2020 12:02pm
- BananaLlama
  
  The Woke are in the process of removing black faces from corporate branding. Can’t make this up.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:41am
- BeeJay
  
  MP, tell me that’s not true! You are joking, aren’t you?
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:45am
- Komata
  
  Maggie@0813
  
  I would imagine that because the UB Rice shows an image of an African American gentleman it is now therefore ‘racist’ in the eyes of those who consider they know better than us, while the Coco Pops are also now ‘Racist’ according to a former UK Labour MP because they consist of Brown-coloured rice bubbles, have BROWN monkeys on the front of the packet yet show only WHITE children as consumers!! HOW DARE THEY!! (And yes, I am being totally serious about this).
  
  Identity politics can have some interesting results…
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:56am
- Gravelroad
  
  What about the toilet paper- Maggie Pie?
  Was there any?
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:57am
  - david
    
    All the white toilet paper has been removed, oh shit.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:26am
    - Sacha
      
      Would brown toilet paper be more aesthetically pleasing?
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:10am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Brown TP???? How would one then gauge, um, a Good Enough End Result? Asking for a friend.
        
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        June 18, 2020 12:02pm
    - Durden
      
      Surely “brown” toilet paper has worse connotations !
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:15am
- tf78
  
  I think the Coco Pops had something to do with what Boris Johnson said.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:36am
  - oldfella
    
    And Aunt Jemima is also doomed.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/17/business/aunt-jemima-logo-change/index.html
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A serial / cereal attacker?
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:20am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    End of royalties?
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:58pm
Two bob

When your govt fails to do a job satisfactory just call in the military!

is this setting a standard?
Does this imply the CoL knows its too incompetent to implement its own policies and guidelines?

More importantly and scary is why is jacindas 1st option when things dont go her way is to use iron fist/intimidation/crackdown approach?

We have seen this multiple times now and the CoL hasnt even had a full 3yrs, if winston is a handbrake its a scary prospect what they would get up to if they win a majority come sept.

mark my words this is a decent into tyrrany if we continue down this route.
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June 18, 2020 8:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How are the military empowered to do this civilian task? Is it all on Ardern’s regal say so?
  We once had law until all the constitutional lawyers freaked out.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:29am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    I said right from the get go the army should have been mobilised at each port to control the quarantine and was told by another kB that the country would have to be put on a war footing or similar …. I’ve moved on tho reading about wascist breakfast cereal … my kids love coco pops and I hope they are on special this week!!!
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:38am
  - fisho
    
    I agree wholeheartedly (and I’m ex military). If the MoH and Police can’t manage this themselves it’s a pretty sad state of affairs. I’m not disagreeing the military along with any number of specialised organisations/businesses shouldn’t consult and assist to develop a robust system but the act of implementing and managing the controls shouldn’t be the responsibility of the military, we’re at Level 1 for gods sake, not war footing or disaster response. Just gives them someone else to blame when things go to shit.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:23am
  - oldfella
    
    The military people called in to sort out this cluster probably have a day job which they’ll now have to neglect. Who’ll step in and cover for them?
    I know: how about we send in the Ardern/Bloomfield health team the military are replacing? Just swap their underused medical testing equipment with some shiny guns and tanks…
    What could go wrong?
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:39am
- Ruahine
  
  Using and threatening force is straight from the Communist manual. It is a cover for incompetence. Do as you are told. Except my special friends. Gangs and criminals.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:50am
  - chukar
    
    Agree with Fisho and Ruahine.
    
    There is no way the NZ military should be involved in policing in this country.
    It is a hugely dangerous precedent for this democracy.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:40am
- 3-coil
  
  Two bob: the irony is that the Labour govt are now counting on the NZ Army to divert attention away from the total ineptitude of Jacinda’s pet/family friend ex-Police commissioner Mike Bush – who once again is at the epicentre of this latest Covid-19 stuff up (along with more and more being revealed by the hour). He was responsible for managing the quarantining of these arrivals to our country, and the exposure of more and more cock-ups show the lazy prick has been totally MIA.
  
  Well why should we be surprised? His toxic character mix of ignorance and arrogance ensured his track record as top-cop was totally abysmal. The Christchurch mass killer obtained his guns thanks to the slackness of Bush and his team failing to follow their own pre-existing checks and rules. But he’s still spinning bullshit to cover that up, and led the charge to divert blame from himself (and sucking up to his pay-master) by confiscating 1000’s of guns from law abiding NZ citizens.
  
  But probably his ugliest performance was his extraordinary public interference (above and beyond) to shut down talk of Jacinda’s current squeeze’s [Deleted – Mod.] hobbies. That reeked to high heaven…even more so when Cindy rewarded him with a Companion NZ Order of Merit gong!
  
  But the Bushmaster is still lying and waffling and obfuscating his way through his latest cock-up, and the question must be asked: is he just incompetent and totally lazy and useless, or is he corrupt? Jacinda is apparently too weak and/or compromised to sack him (or anybody else for that matter). We need a commission of inquiry into his performance over the last 3 years, he has been in centre of too many muck ups for it all to have been a coincidence.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:04am
  - Komata
    
    3-coil@0904
    
    A bit of an unfair slur on the noble name of the ‘Bushmaster’ (or Lachesis) pit viper family Sir; if nothing else (and unlike the Human version you name), they are at least very effective at their trade…
    
    (Just saying).
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:54am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Mod: Why delete the reference to Ardern’s partner’s hobbies? That has always stunk to high heaven and needs the disinfectant of wide exposure.
    
    [Mod Comment: Nothing stopping you publishing that reference on your own blog under your real name. Good luck in court.]
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:33pm
- Durden
  
  Given the Ayesha Verral nepotism, what are the chances that “Digby” has leftist leanings and comes with the full recommendation of daddy dearest and blowhard Bush? Or is he a mate of Robertson’s ?
  
  The decision was definitely made in haste to make Jacinda look like she took quick action. In this case a safe known entity wold be the go to.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:20am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Nah, he’s airforce. Now, if he was Navy…..
    
    Airforce wallahs are the ones who can most be spared at the moment – after all they aren’t going anywhere!
    
    🙂
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:56am
    - Komata
      
      the diety etc. etc. @0956
      
      …Although we DO have to come and bale Navy (and Army) out if / when they stuff up – and we can get there a tad more quickly… 🙂
      
      (Sorry, ex RNZAF, couldn’t resist)
      
      Thank you.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:58am
  - fisho
    
    He doesn’t. Top bloke, very affable and extremely capable. Unfortunately not all the troops he will be directing are used to taking and following orders. It’s a lot easier to herd cats when they’re all meowing off the same song sheet.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:33am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I do not prize affability.
      
      I PRIZE COMPETENCE.
      
      Affability usually means no enemies.
      
      Recall what Churchill said about enemies…
      
      That is all.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:34pm
Swifty

OAP Lives Matter!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8427245/Man-pushes-elderly-woman-92-ground-NYC-appears-hit-head-fire-hydrant.html#comments

Note the casualness of the violence.
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June 18, 2020 8:14am
- Two bob
  
  That arrest is clearly attributed to systemic racism in the police.
  
  god I should joke about it as no doubt a bunch of woketards will actually protest it.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:22am
- cmm
  
  It says he pushed her to the ground.
  
  Looking at the video it looks far more like he punched her in the head.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:27am
  - Swifty
    
    To me it looks like a rugby stiff-arm.
    
    Either way it’s terrible.
    
    I am careful in this case though – the guy appears to have serious psychological defects. He’s clearly very sick and obviously just cannot control himself.
    
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    June 18, 2020 8:34am
    - fisho
      
      In other words, he’s a leftist.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:36am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Arrested 65 times? What. The. Actual.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:34pm
    - Batman
      
      Dozens of arrests and sexual assault charges etc, he’s a legitimate threat to public safety.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:38pm
- secondcumming
  
  There’s never a Cop with a gun when you need one 😎
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:46am
Yvette

• The constant chorus from the Ministry of Health was that there was enough PPE, but now a damning report from the Auditor-General’s found the Ministry was not well-positioned to ensure enough PPE was available throughout the country.

• Another Ministry of Health botch-up as group of 10 let out of quarantine early to attend burial

• A National MP claims the two women behind the fresh outbreak of COVID-19 in New Zealand stopped for a kiss and a cuddle with a member of the public on their drive to Wellington – despite health officials saying they didn’t meet anyone … Speaking in Parliament on Wednesday, Woodhouse says a source told him the pair got lost on their drive and someone they knew had to drive out to redirect them . They then gave their helper a “kiss and a cuddle”, he claims. This person had not been checked to see if they had were now infected too.

• Two Covid-19 infected travellers had five minutes of “limited physical contact” with two friends after getting lost on Auckland’s motorway network, the Ministry of Health has confirmed.

• Six people [not two] abscond to go to tangi on June 10

Then there are the personal indiscretions – visiting Doctor’s Point, mountain biking (during the lockdown) and insisting on staying in Dunedin shifting house (rather than being in Wellington)

How many fucks ups, Jacinda, will it take for your Minister of Health David Clark to resign, or since you seem to be doing his job (so badly) will you resign in his place?
Let’s do this.
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June 18, 2020 8:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  In an ideal world, Clark would have rung the PM last night when the dam burst. He didn’t, and she really has no option but to fire him.
  
  She won’t however, because the “most open and transparent government ever” has no accountability whatsoever. And not sacking Clark will cost Labour the election.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:11am
Swifty

Tucker has really been knocking them out of the park recently. Here’s another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZLH077cE7Y

Google overreach, suppression of speech and political connivance.
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June 18, 2020 8:17am
- Jules99
  
  Most watch cable programme of the week. Glad to hear the message getting out and being shared too.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:40am
greenfinger

So why is her team being kept on if she can’t trust them to their job and she has to resort to asking the military? We are paying for her team’s salaries, not her!! Left wing media, ask the question!!
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June 18, 2020 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If you surround yourself with dopey incompetents, it makes you look good and more competent than they are. Propaganda 101
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:36am
- Swifty
  
  Labour’s answer to every situation is to grow the state.
  
  Every. Single. Time.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:36am
- Maxx
  
  In short, she can’t dismiss them. The people in those roles are there because they either lead a faction of the party or are their because of a demand from the faction. As much as The Saint is what keeps them in power, I’m sure she’s been made aware that they will pull that power from her in a heartbeat, even if it means their own demise.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:08am
  - Komata
    
    Maxx@0908
    
    I would suggest that perhaps that may not be the case; that in fact the unions etc have ‘relatively’ little ‘Hire and Fire’ capability in this instance because the SLG was APPOINTED by Winnie, not by the unions, and she is only there at Winnie’s behest.
    
    As with all ‘King Maker’-type situations, should she ‘offend’ him in some way, she’s gone.
    
    One can but hope that she will, but to date that does not seem to be the case.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:06am
- Sacha
  
  She is distancing herself from criticism. I think it’s called ‘covering her arse’. Or ‘selling out’. Or something.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:25am
Prince

David Clark’s incompetence is evident for all to see. When the shit hits the fan, it is Bloomfield whom the Coalition pushes forward to take the hits.
On Morning Report, Suzie Ferguson was ultra-polite interviewing he who must not be questioned too hard.
She let Ashley get away with some crackers, such as..
They didn’t hug, they just put their arms around each other…
The Health officials didn’t believe this meeting was worth reporting, when saying they went straight to Wellington.
There is no risk of transmission from such a fleeting gesture (as the hug). Really ? What was stage 4 all about then ?
The Isolation regime is not managed by DoH. It’s an all of Government exercise. The Prime Minister has made absolutely clear her expectations..(So, is she responsible ?)
Many questions Suzie let slip, so you can expect Ardern and Clark to keep a low profile for the next 24 hours, before a stand-up full of ‘Absoludely, I udderly reject, Again, Let me be absoludely clear, I have always said, waffle waffle waffle’.
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June 18, 2020 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ferguson protects Ardern like the Duck does
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:38am
- rangitoto
  
  Please don’t tell me Jacinda has jepradized our health,
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:38am
- Evadne
  
  If there is no risk of transmission from a fleeting hug by someone *with* covid symptoms (which is plausible), then why did they spend so long enforcing the draconian rules about physical distancing from every one, for weeks,, regardless of their likelihood of having covid??
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Easy to answer.
    To lock down someone who is sick = quarantine.
    To lock down someone who is NOT sick = Tyranny.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:47am
    - Komata
      
      SteveO@0947
      
      And to do so is a typical socialist / communist action, as practiced by Lenin and refined by Stalin and Mao.
      
      Given the SLG’s past, she learnt well….
      
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      June 18, 2020 11:08am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Hosking’s interview with Bloomfield was a cracker this morning. Bloomfield thinks he’s done a fine job and he shouldn’t step down. Zero accountability for his department where responsibilties are slowly getting taken away from them. He honestly believes NZ needs him to be there to put everything right. Wow. What a bureaucrat, really does think he and Ardern have pulled the whole country through and are above reproach. All care but no responsibilty. So many lies and untruths told by this guy.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He only does as he is told. Right now Cindy is throwing him under the bus. Notice she has made no comment? Left it for the minions.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Btw, those 2 clowns Ardern and Bloomfield saved 80000 lives you know
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:07am
      - Prince
        
        But were they lives that matter ?
        
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        June 18, 2020 11:01am
    - Sacha
      
      I thought he stood up to Hosking’s hectoring approach very well. I suspect he is well over the mess that he finds himself in – as are we all.
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:30am
  - Two bob
    
    Respect to the man though he accepted responsibility, although I suspect that was only to take heat away from from those above him.
    
    I think he has been genuine that he wants the best health outcome for nz while at the 1pm woolshed meetings jacinda only wanted what was best for her power grab and popularity.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:53am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Being genuine and not being competent and not being interested in following through on the details are not all mutually exclusive….
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:36pm
- niggly
  
  It’s interesting that some in the “left-wing media” are attempting to denigrate Michael Woodhouse for not informing the MoH first (before he made his “allegations” in Parliament yesterday).
  
  (I just heard Jane Patterson on Morning Report refer to this a few moments ago).
  
  But as I reckon, as you confirm with your statement “The Health officials didn’t believe this meeting was worth reporting, when saying they went straight to Wellington” that even if Michael Woodhouse DID inform the MoH first … that they wouldn’t have believed him (and Bloomfield would have denied it).
  
  So Michael Woodhouse did the right thing.
  
  Interestingly TV3’s The Project interviewed Michael Woodhouse last night (I decided to watch to see what angle they would take). Well it was quite a sight to behold – the Project’s hosts conducted themselves (i.e. their questioning) rather well but you should have seen the glare in their eyes when they were looking at Woodhouse – it looked like to me that the hosts were pissed off that someone had dared to upset the PM’s halo! It sure was a sight to behold if anyone can be bothered looking for the clip!
  
  Regardless Michael Woodhouse conducted the interview well and batted away their questions, well done that man!
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:05am
  - Observer of Life
    
    I watched it live. Quite frankly appalling conduct by Mulligan and Lloyd. Basically trying to make Woodhouse out to be the bad guy. There was even mention of it taking Woodhouse 18 hours to notify anyone. What a joke that show is. Seriously, a bunch of (apparent) comedians and a weather girl pretending to be journalists. Like Niggly I watched out of interest as Woodhouse was on. I’ll now be returning to not watching The Project, it’s a total waste of heart beats.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:04am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Mulligan is a complete noddy. The only person he is interested in is Jesse Mulligan. He is also a piss poor restuarant reviewer.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:07pm
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Woodhouse came across well on the AM show this morning. Garner took that same line as the Project.
    Garner tried to make him say he should have taken the info direct to MOH. Yeah right Duncan.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “The Standard” is running a full-on hit job on Woodhouse.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/responsible-politics-verses-gotcha-politics/
    
    It would appear, from their reasoning, that Michael Woodhouse is responsible for endangering the health of 5million NZers for not reporting his information immediately to the Health Department.
    
    Strange that they don’t hold the Chief Ombudsman to account for not making the quarantine fiasco public weeks ago.
    
    Strange that they don’t hold their beloved Leader to account for failing to oversee the lack of action on protecting our borders.
    
    But perhaps not strange that “The Standard” indulges in personal attacks when they have no other argument.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:25am
    - niggly
      
      Heh the likes of the Standard (and other leftie journos) can spin this as much as they want to … but no-one (i.e. voters) is listening to them!
      
      This issue … is the one issue that “middle NZ” voters/ those that take a casual interest in politics/ those that barely follow politics …. take notice about and they are angry!
      
      Labour have lost their way bigtime!
      
      As TS said earlier, I’d also love to see Curia polling on this issue … maybe Muller should do a “UMR” and start dropping hints to the MSM!
      
      C’mon Muller, Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett would be all over this (this is the one time that Muller doesn’t have to play “nice” about)!
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:43am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        Muller did very well in parliament yesterday….worth watching if you can find video.
        
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        June 18, 2020 12:02pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    The Nats are expected to cover for Labour too.
    
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    June 18, 2020 5:13pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If the Ministry Officials were not personally present at the hugs and kisses, and they have stated they it never took place, what is the justification for this lying, prevaricative interview?
  Interviews of that class form the basis of successful criminal prosecutions.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:20am
Greg Ettridge

Oh what a difference a day makes.
Yesterday morning there was talk about two ladies driving non stop Auckland to Wellington let out early from quarantine.
I believe there are just 15 personell in place to put this information together so Jacinda can put it out to the world and make it look at good as possible.
“Hard to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.”
By question time, the ladies were kissing other people on the way and had 300 contacts.
By last night there were a flood of people that were known to have broken quarantine, most known to the authorities but not reported to the public.
Bloomfield went from darling to looking like a guy promoted way beyond his station, totally out of his depth.
A person flys into Aucklasnd from the US and goes and mixes with 40 people the next day.
Kids run away from the police and one cannot be found, the other decides how they will finish their quarantine.
Prediction, there will many many more as none of the government departments really have a handle on this at all.
The fish rots from the head, it must have had several heads.
Jacinda’s gaggle of information experts are going to have to work overtime to supress their way out of this, the journalists in NZ in general should hang their heads in shame, they have been compliant through this whole episode.
I don’t hold my breath that anything will change.
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June 18, 2020 8:31am
- kloyd0306
  
  Yep. Labour will govern alone in September.
  Hold on to what you have. They will tax anything that is not bolted down.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:02am
  - Akarak
    
    They’ll govern alone because the team of 5 million don’t want to play with them.
    Besides they took the ball home!
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:20pm
Nostradamus

Former Greens MP on why Victoria, Queensland should consider changing names

Victorian Greens Senate candidate Lidia Thorpe says Australians — black and white — should openly discuss renaming Victoria because of its links to Australia’s colonial past. Victoria is named after Queen Victoria, who ruled the British Empire until 1901.
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“Given we’re all talking about the colonial past and how everything’s named as a result of invasion of this country, why wouldn’t we negotiate that?” she said.
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She said Queensland could do the same. “Maybe that’s something they could negotiate.”

Nut nut nutter!!!
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June 18, 2020 8:32am
- Gravelroad
  
  Er….I thought the Greens were supportive of world-wide open border policies?
  Well,that’s what happened a couple of hundred years ago when immigrants and refugees “invaded” countries such as Australia, looking for a better life.
  So then, that was a terrible colonisation and subjugation of another country.
  But now, we should all be welcoming and supporting more and more immigrants and refugees.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:48am
- Sacha
  
  I can just see the Aussies now – that silly woman should be fearing for her life –
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:35am
- Rich Prick
  
  This is so typical of the left. Something happens 15,000km away, the left goes all viva la revolution and suddenly all history is evil and must be smashed to bits. They’re fucking mental.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:40am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  As long as Lidia agrees to be renamed Chlamydia – sure, let’s talk…
  
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  June 18, 2020 12:42pm
Scooter

Questions have to be asked why these 2 women from the UK were allowed to travel from Auckland to Wellington without being tested before leaving, then why tested once they arrived in Wellington. Sounds like they were given easy entry to travel to Wellington to visit family, someone known in govt?
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June 18, 2020 8:34am
- chaos
  
  I’d like to know if they have a connection to a labour politican.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:28am
- DeepBlue
  
  I was curious about these people when Bloomfield vouched for their trustworthiness immediately. Who has that level of faith put in them when the rules were no release for funerals.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:47am
  - Komata
    
    Deep Blue@1047
    
    What we know is ONLY what Bloomfield and Clark have told us.
    
    Given the Col’s past performance and inclination towards lying, the ‘convenient’ arrival of the ‘culprits’ and in the absence of any ‘bodies’ by way of ‘verification’ it is, of course possible that these ‘Two ladies from the UK’ don’t even actually exist and that all this is just another way of applying ‘control’ in a manner that those acquainted with Communist / socialist regimes will be well acquainted with.
    
    Just a thought that you and others might like to consider…
    
    Thank you.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:20am
Greg Ettridge

One more point, how do you test every person if its voluntary?
Just a bunch of immature do gooders way beyond their capabilities.
you get what you vote for.
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June 18, 2020 8:35am
oldpark

Back to the future. Lest we forget. The alleged playbook of Labour and control freak Communist/Socialist Miss Ardern on how to control the Nation of NZ .

(1) Health Care
Control Healthcare and you control the people’
2)Poverty.
Increase the poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control.
3) Debt.
Increase the debt to an unsustainable level,that way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty .
4)Gun Control.
Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government.That way you are able to create a Police State.
5)Welfare.
Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food,Housing and Income .
6)Education.
Take control of what people read and listen to.Take control of what children learn in school.
7)Religion.
Remove the belief in the God from the Government and Schools .
8) Class Warfare.
Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor.
This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor .
9) Coronavirus Propaganda.
Lull the NZ Nation and its citizens to a false sense of security and trust and belief that the Coronavirus Quarantine system is completely secure and fool proof .
We now know that what a web they set out to deceive the good people of NZ . Allegations are many . That control “Freaks Number One” and “Number Two” are completely culpable and lulled the unsuspecting voting public that the health and welfare of their well being was in good safe hands .
Sadly what an abomination and an indictment of how NZs have been conned and led by the nose over the last Three Months by “control freaks” who have finally been found out .
Let none of us never forget that for the misleading “control freaks” on a daily basis “Power” was and still is the ultimate “Aphrodisiac”.
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June 18, 2020 8:38am
Maggie Pie

Honestly, worst purchase of 2020 was a 2020 Planner
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June 18, 2020 8:43am
- Gravelroad
  
  Haha,Maggie Pie – few years ago family member here insisted on getting one of those big year planner posters and putting it up on the home office wall.
  I bet them $10 that not one thing would be written up on that planner over the course of the year.
  And nothing was.
  Didn’t get my $10 though.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:52am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Question 1: What are the odds that Trump will resign before November?

His ego isn’t going to cope well with a crushing electoral defeat. If his polling numbers don’t turn around fast then what are the odds he resigns rather than goes down in flames?
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June 18, 2020 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump being so far behind in the polls reminds me of the night he won the Presidency
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:18am
  - virtualmark
    
    You’re starting to sound a bit shrill and desperate Steve.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Landslide win, bigger than last time. It’s the loopy liberals who are desperate
      
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      June 18, 2020 9:51am
      - Jules99
        
        I think he’ll get the popular vote too – reckon he’ll turn California red?
        
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        June 18, 2020 10:21am
      - Batman
        
        Steve, the gap with Clinton was between 3.5-5% and never as large as 10%, when it was averaged out etc.
        
        Trump is doing worse this time, particularly in swing states, and even in places like Florida where he should be ahead, he’s even or slightly ahead.
        
        The fact of the matter is that he’s losing right now. However it is also true that there is a LONG way to go.
        
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        June 18, 2020 12:50pm
      - virtualmark
        
        There’s always a “maybe” Steve. Maybe it will be that landslide win you’re pinning your hopes on.
        
        His base still love him. He speaks to their (your) prejudices, hates and fears.
        
        But he’s not winning the middle, and that’s where any election is won. Middle America is tired of the lies and the cruelty. A fair chunk of the seniors are leaving because they see their lives are on the line with his mis-handling of Covid. A whole new generation of voters coming through who’ve only known Obama and Trump as Presidents, and 80% of them are going to vote Democrat.
        
        That’s a lot of headwind to battle against. And headwinds play havoc with the dead ferret stapled to Trump’s head.
        
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        June 18, 2020 12:59pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Jules99. California is a shithole, it needs cleaning up first. It is full of the dropkick children of the hippie dropkicks from the 60s/70s with a 3rd generation coming. Fucking drug addicts who will NEVER work
        
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        June 18, 2020 2:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Batman. It depends which version off CNN is broadcasting. What the liberal media say can be taken with a container load of salt.
        
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        June 18, 2020 2:23pm
      - Ian Hawthorn
        
        Who do these people think Trump is losing to? Biden? Yeah right!
        
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        June 18, 2020 6:11pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Trump being so far behind in the polls reminds me of the night he won the Presidency[.]
    
    The polls can only poll individual voters, Steve, not the Electoral College (which only comes into play after the election).
    
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    June 18, 2020 2:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Exactly
      
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      June 18, 2020 2:25pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        At General Debate on Monday 15, I responded to All_on_Red, at 6:39PM, partly, as follows—
        
        No presidential candidate has lost the popular vote, but won in the Electoral College, twice. Trump will not pull that one off again. He must win the popular vote, but almost certainly is not going to.
        
        I agree with virtualmark: Trump will be “swept in the Electoral College […] unless he can pull a big rabbit out of the hat.”
        
        Surprisingly, not only did AoR not come back at virtualmark in his usual, take-no-prisoners style, but he didn’t respond to me, either.
        
        I suspect one of KB’s predominant Trumpistas knows the game is up.
        
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        June 18, 2020 3:17pm
- virtualmark
  
  Trumpkins = snowflakes.
  
  “Reading this hurts my feelings. I must try to ban those nasty words. I have to downtick that mean comment.”
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:40am
- kloyd0306
  
  If you’re so sure, how about a bet?
  If you are so sure, I’ll name the odds.
  My $50 to your $500.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:06am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Kloydo306; you suggest that he bets on Trump at $1.10 when Trump is paying $2.42 on Betfair!!!
    Are you some kind of a Green Party dickwit?
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:49pm
- barnacle bill
  
  @ VM
  I liked this article, it describes the likely events that could take place if it looks like Trump is heading for defeat.
  And they are numerous.
  
  https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/06/17/get-rid-of-the-presidency/
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:33am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Unless I miss my mark, 2020 will be a rerun of many earlier contested elections, with voter suppression, lost and shredded ballots, foreign interference, broken voting machines, absent absentee ballots, and hacked computers defining a dubious outcome.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:54am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  What is the point of your post? Please fester in a TDS-reeking-cave on your lonesome, thank you in advance.
  
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  June 18, 2020 12:43pm
  - virtualmark
    
    The point of my post Engelbert is to poke the sensitive egos of Trump-lovers like you.
    
    Clearly I was successful.
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:03pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Dream on, MacDuff. I am professionally curious about pathology, is all.
      
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      June 18, 2020 3:02pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  All the betting markets still have Trump as favourite. They lose money if they get it wrong. Hmmmm
  
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  June 18, 2020 3:24pm
virtualmark

Question 2: When is the point at which GOP Senators break with Trump?

Their electoral prospects aren’t looking good, and they know it’s because of their link to Trump. When does Mitch McConnell signal to his troops that they need to break with Trump in order to have any chance of keeping the Senate?
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June 18, 2020 8:48am
- kloyd0306
  
  Watch much CNN?
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:19am
  - virtualmark
    
    Nope, never.
    
    Just confident that rats will always try to leave a sinking ship in the hopes of saving their own lives.
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:28pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I assume you speak from experience.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:44pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Engelbert, I suspect you’re not a rat. I doubt you’ll abandon your lord and Master.
        
        But one day the Orange Jim Jones will ask you to drink the Kool-Aid. You gonna do it?
        
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        June 18, 2020 1:04pm
    - Batman
      
      They’re talking about it almost openly now, so the question will be what point at which they start making public noises.
      
      Unless Trump bounces back within a month, they’ll start talking about their independence as senators etc
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:53pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  As stated above. The betting markets still have Trump as favourite. Polls results are often politically driven tools designed to try to influence people.
  
  Betting markets are much less impartial as they lose money if they get it wrong.
  
  Please, mortgage your house and put it all on Biden if you are that confident 🙂
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:12pm
  - Batman
    
    The betting markets, while somewhat pure, are also self-selecting polls of what some people think.
    
    I would posit that the markets probably naturally lean to the right… Capitalists like ourselves and all that.
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:47pm
artemisia

A (Maori) Health Authority could be quite useful if it is based on the social investment approach with a dose of personal responsibility on top. Develop a risk profile, add these folk to a database, keep track of their appointments and other factors and implement rewards and sanctions.

There is a working model already – the Young Parent Payment scheme where teen parents get more money if they meet their obligations and more ‘support’ if they don’t.

Different rewards and sanctions obviously, but for example race based elective surgery priority could be amended, or additional support could be funded..

And much better for an Authority not to be based on ethnicity.

The social investment approach under the last government was to identify school pupils at risk, targeting support rather than scattergun $$ based on decile. How about it National?
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June 18, 2020 8:53am
- cmm
  
  Unless they’re going full apartheid mode, the Maori Health Authority people will not have any assets to direct. If they don’t own hospitals and have budgets for buying equipment then it is hard to see how they will function properly.
  
  If, as is likely, they end up with a say in how the Pakeha hospitals are run then that will mean two health authorities trying to direct one hospital. That’s going to be a disaster.
  
  Is this just an attempt to make everything broken so that it can be brought under more central control?
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Where I live in UK for many years had at the bottom of our garden (Wadesmill/Thundridge, Herts) an obelisk to William Wilberforce put there in 1879 by the local squire and others to signify the point on the road to Cambridge where Wilberfoce is believed to have decided return to London to lead the movement for the abolition of Slavery.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Haven’t Maori got enough money out of the tax free settlements to pay for their own hospital extras?
  
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  June 18, 2020 12:24pm
  - Two bob
    
    havent charitable iwi dodged enough tax to build several hospitals and help thousands of their ppl?
    
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    June 18, 2020 6:00pm
Yvette

The Guardian (UK) says the two covid-19 infected women, who travelled Auckland to Wellington, worked with health authorities on a “safety plan” before departing.

Where is any enterprising journalist to ask what was actually in that plan with apparently no “comfort stops”?

But any question will be shut-down with “that is private, operational level information, which we refuse to discuss” – despite the operational level issue could have effected every person in the country – perhaps via infection (maybe life or death for some) or via the economic consequences of another lockdown.

And was a crash scenario – with both women perhaps unconscious – considered?
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June 18, 2020 8:54am
- artemisia
  
  The two infected women must be gutted that their pee and poo activities are top of the nation’s mind.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:11am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Yeah, whereabouts exactly did they do their business?
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:21am
    - Sacha
      
      About 3.5 hours from Auckland – get out the disinfectant and spray behind every bush –
      Bring out the army!
      
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      June 18, 2020 10:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Yvette, it’s time everyone out there understands that the health officials are blasé about covid because they are well aware that it is nothing more than a beat up.
  
  The virus is here for ever, it is less severe than many others and the likelihood of anyone catching it from the exposure that these two women created is extremely remote.
  
  It has been used by ardern as an excuse to promote herself, hide the inadequacies of her coalition and promote “welfare for the masses”.
  
  Unfortunately the stupidity swept most of the world where social media seems to rule.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:20am
  - Ian Boag
    
    You seem very certain that the covid thing is overblown worldwide. Yet the takeup of your opinion seems to be vanishingly small – unless there is some sort of worldwide media conspiracy …..
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      Unlike you and others it seems, I have little regard for the opinions of others, I have regard for facts and worldwide the facts speak for themselves.
      
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      June 18, 2020 1:26pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Distinguished KB poster and epidemiologist Mr Tall Man tells it like it is.
        
        Man has explained (on KB) several times that the worldwide covid hoohah is a load of old bollocks. He – unlike the short-sighted folk in charge of various countries – has looked at the facts and drawn the obvious conclusions. Any reasonable person should agree with his analysis if only because he has repeated it often enough to be convincing.
        
        Food for thought.
        
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        June 18, 2020 2:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You seem to like to try to wind me up. Is it man love?
        
        Save your energy sunshine, it’s an arsehole not a keyhole 😉
        
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        June 18, 2020 6:29pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Good to see you haven’t lost your enthusiasm for the last word. My kids used to be like that. They didn’t have your fondness for the gratuitous sledge as a punchline ….
        
        Winding you up doesn’t qualify as sport.
        
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        June 19, 2020 10:13am
    - Two bob
      
      look at the stats and remember we live in a world of 7+billion, many see big numbers in the millions but dont put in perspective.
      
      if you had $1000 and lost 60cents thats about the impact covid deaths have had globally so far.
      
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      June 18, 2020 6:19pm
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    You need to watch CNBC from 10pm nightly to see people running scared because of what this virus can do to your country. The CNBC headquarters is based in New York and you can get a sense of what it’s like from the daily talks with the presenters and the medical specialists over there.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      As far as I am concerned most media are keen to promote “disaster” as a sales promoter for “clicks”.
      
      I see Taiwan where people just got on with their lives and managed to have 6 deaths out of 26 million.
      
      Hong Kong has had 4 deaths so far out of 7.5 million people and live in crowded tenements. Why have these 2 countries been so much more successful that the US …. or are the “deaths” being inflated?
      
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      June 18, 2020 2:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “worked with health authorities on a “safety plan” before departing?”
  Where is the NZ media on this? Who is whitewashing this? JA?
  Oma rapeti, oma rapeti, oma oma oma
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:23am
cmm

Deep breath people.

Something like this was always going to happen, only the details were unsure.

All that power, all the ego-rub of being in the media and on TV etc, of coarse the luvvies didn’t want that all to go away.

The borders have been extremely porous through the whole exercise. There have been huge violations by gangs. People in quarantine have just fled or, no doubt, wagged off for a day or a night on the tiles.

It was just a matter of which one they chose to publicise to re-awaken the fear. Bureaucrats love this stuff.

We never returned to normal and we probably won’t for a long time. There are many silly little rules and inconveniences that achieve nothing except theatre.

Fear makes people submissive and compliant. It also makes the “success” seem more successful.
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June 18, 2020 8:55am
- Tall Man
  
  Get the numpties excited.
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:09am
Garbageman

Know Your Place
Golriz Ghahraman ~ Paperback / softback
now $28.00 was $40.00
In stock
Get yours today at Mighty Ape or wait until the weekend and grab a copy at the $2 bin at the Warehouse
What on earth could a race baiting drop kick like her have to say of interest that could fill a manilla folder let alone a book
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June 18, 2020 8:56am
- niggly
  
  Well Golriz Ghahraman is also “infamous” for how flawed the MMP system can be at times!
  
  IIRC Ms Ghahraman only came into the Parliament because of the Special Votes.
  
  Here’s the thing – the Greens only received 8.4% of the Special Votes and the Greens gained an extra seat (GG).
  
  OTOH National received 36.3% of the Special Votes but actually lost a seat as a result!
  
  (Because National obtained a high party vote and also won most of the electorate seats hence the MMP system “reduced” National’s party seats in order to maintain “proportionality”).
  
  So who would have thought that Golriz Ghahraman would become the “poster-girl” of why MMP can be a flawed voting system – oh how ironic!
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/10/how_the_specials_went.html
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:29am
- Phronesis
  
  Does she tell us about the great time she had volunteering to defend genocidal maniacs in Africa?
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:56am
- chaos
  
  Cheaper to just buy the real stuff, 32 pack of toilet paper at the warehouse is $8.50. Softer than the pages in her book too
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:24am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    More sense too
    
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    June 18, 2020 7:05pm
JibberJabber

Footage of Twyford and Clarke on their way home after a hard day in Parliament…
https://twitter.com/AwardsDarwin/status/1273234255418720256
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June 18, 2020 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They are like that all the time
  
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  June 18, 2020 9:26am
niggly

Breaking News … another new book on Jacinda Ardern to be released!

But this time it will be a collaboration with a world renown publisher, and is titled:

“Little Miss Fustraded”!

https://www.thriftbooks.com/series/little-miss-books/59877/

Apparently it is part of a new series, also featuring her friends (who annoy her):

*Little Mr Angry Little!

*Little Mr Missing in Action Health Minister!

*Little Mr Twyt!
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June 18, 2020 9:41am
MT_Tinman

Very recently, in the Himalayas, Chinese troops fought Indian troops.

20 Indians including a senior officer and an unknown number of Chinese were killed.

The clash is, or should be, of interest to the world because both parties are nuclear armed, have massive armed forces and both countries are trying to make themselves important in the world.

News of this clash is buried deep inside NZ news sites behind such things as Prince Andrew’s emails ‘prove’ cooperation and pro-Cindy crap from some pink-headed harridan.

$1. was far too much.

As an aside, the fighting that killed the soldiers was actual fighting, without firearms but with staves, fists etc.

I hope CNN or BBC was there 🙂
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June 18, 2020 9:42am
- Jules99
  
  That seems to me a big story, but hard to find here.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:17am
  - chaos
    
    Stuff have run a few stories on it.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300037149/whats-driving-the-latest-indiachina-border-tension
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300036344/indian-soldiers-killed-in-clash-with-chinese-troops
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300036390/20-indian-soldiers-killed-in-deadly-clash-with-chinese-forces
    
    Herald
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12340513
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12340506
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree. STOP THE PRESS, STOP THE PRESS, the PM has broken a finger nail. The India/China stuff can go to the back page or in tomorrow’s edition if there’s room.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:43am
- kowtow
  
  This is well covered in over seas media, including Sky Australia. Possibly 40 Commie troops killed.
  
  60 soldiers killed in an international border skirmish is a bigly deal.
  
  Our media ? US cop charged with murder , statues and other relatively trivial issues.
  
  Our media is shit.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:42am
  - chaos
    
    Been well covered in our media but as new stories are put up the old ones fall down.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:20am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not so as you would notice, have you seen the age of some of the stuff on line?
      
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      June 18, 2020 5:29pm
Swifty

The racist and race-baiting Glenn McConnell chimes in with another shallow, one-sided and selective but entirely predictable piece and once again full of assertions but without a shred of evidence:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/300036489/black-lives-matter-protests-are-about-more-than-statues-for-new-zealand

Note his raising of the ‘race pay gap’ in which he insinuates but is careful not to explicitly state is wholly due to whites discriminating against non-whites (I’m sorry, I refuse to use the euphemism POC).

A small point to note – if as he states ‘whites’ earn more on average than Asians in NZ then I would go as far to say that we would be alone in that throughout the world.

If you put average ‘white’ NZ earnings (personal or household) up against average Chinese or Japenese or Korean NZ earnings I GUARANTEE the latter will show as being higher.

This will come as no surprise to most here – given the importance those cultures place on education, entrepreneurship, independence, thrift and self-reliance (how many times have we seen whole Chinese families, for example, working together in a business – and how many times have you seen whole Chinese families queuing outside a WINZ office?)

I went to the Treasury site to look up the numbers but couldn’t find any relevant analysis. I did find this though, which conveniently only compares Whites versus Maori and PI, ‘Asians’ not even mentioned:

https://treasury.govt.nz/publications/ap/ap-18-03-html#section-4

So I would like to know where McConnell gets his information from that says “Asians are paid 11% less than anyone else.” I think when he says ‘anyone else’ he means ‘whites’ otherwise his statement is nonsensical.

I have no evidence to support this view but I do wonder if let’s say for example, he has seen some pay data which includes under a broad ‘Asian’ category 50,000 or 100,000 Indian students who are also working on low wages pumping gas or working in a liquor shop then of course that would massively skew the ‘Asian-income’ findings.

I remain absolutely convinced that if any ‘race pay gap’ exists in New Zealand it will be entirely due to personal choices made by the people surveyed and throughout their lives.

To suggest or imply that it is due to some racism or systematic discrimination in our society is not only an unsupported assertion it is a disgrace and should be condemned.
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June 18, 2020 9:42am
- Jules99
  
  I think it is offensive to label all white people the same. Look across Europe and you can see clear racial distinctions between the different white races. In the same way, all black people are not the same either.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:16am
  - kowtow
    
    Take the UK for example . Very diverse . English , Scots , Welsh , Irish . Then break down further. Manx, Cornish , Channel Islanders. Within each region are more regions. Highlanders, Lowlanders, Islanders , Dane and Anglo Saxon , Norman and Celt all reflected in personal and place names .
    A very rich and diverse heritage.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:08am
- graham
  
  I notice that Mr McConnell states in his opinion piece that he lives near a statue …
  
  … dedicated to “Europeans who died in battle”, which I’m happy to report are almost always covered in red paint.
  
  Read that again, and see if you become as infuriated as I am. This nasty piece of work is actually celebrating and crowing over the fact that a statue which commemorates people who died in battle is vandalised and desecrated.
  
  Glenn McConnell should hang his head in shame.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:59am
Tony Stuart

I posted this on one of the quarantine threads yesterday, but it’s worth posting again; Todd Muller, tearing the Government a new one during yesterday’s General Debate in Parliament:

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=213063

At that point, the only story doing the rounds was the two women driving to Wellington. Imagine what he could do if he had the same opportunity today!!
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June 18, 2020 9:43am
- kloyd0306
  
  How many watch?
  The sheeple get their news (and views) from TV 1, TV 3, Stuffed and Herald.
  Most are not as engaged as us and are happy to quote what they see on the nightly news.
  It’s much easier to do that than think.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:28am
- chaos
  
  Thanks, missed that, great speech.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:31am
- Nickc2
  
  TKS Tony, Muller has just redeemed himself IMHO.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:57am
- Steve Todd
  
  […], tearing the Government a new one during yesterday’s General Debate in Parliament[.]
  
  Hardly. Todd’s response to Grant wasn’t nearly as effective, or as amusing, as the Minister’s.
  
  Imagine what he could do if he had the same opportunity today!!
  
  But he does have the opportunity today, Tony. But, we all know he likely won’t be attending QT today, to take advantage of it, don’t we Tony?
  
  Wouldn’t it be fun watching Winston this afternoon answering on behalf of the prime minister? A golden opportunity for Todd to personally make the government squirm will likely go begging, because he, like Jacinda, has likely decided that, being a Thursday, he, too, will be elsewhere.
  
  It makes you wonder: just how badly does this guy want to be prime minister?
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:25pm
- Ian Hawthorn
  
  You know it is going to be a good speech when almost the entire cabinet hurries out to avoid having to listen to it. What a bunch of arrogant tossers. They should sit there and take the tongue lashing they so richly deserve for their incompetent stuff up.
  
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  June 18, 2020 6:27pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    You know it is going to be a good speech when almost the entire cabinet hurries out to avoid having to listen to it.
    
    Oh, come on, Ian, it’s been that way since time immemorial, regardless of which parties (used to, or now) occupy the government benches, and you know it.
    
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    June 18, 2020 9:11pm
I remember when

Watched an interesting interview on “Breakfast” this morning.
They interviewed Jess Moloney, CEO/Founder of Moloney Moloney, on the use of Social Media as a tool for use during Elections.
She said that 75% of the population tune in to social media for at least 2 hours a day.
When Jacinda was elected leader of the Labour Party there was a corresponding rise in both her and the party’s popularity.
This rise has not occurred with the change of leadership in the National Party.
This does not predict a great future for the old white male type leader, or even experienced older politicians of either sex.
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June 18, 2020 9:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My head still hurts. That was nothing more than Jacinda Ardern propaganda
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:02am
- MH
  
  would the last person in Aotearoa turn off the ventilators.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:03am
Durden

Will the government, or the two “innocent ladies” start by compensating this woman and other peoples’ losses ?

The ladies cried and lied and the officials complied. These are the only two parties responsible for the loss and mayhem left behind in their wake. They should pay for it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340885
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June 18, 2020 9:49am
- Jules99
  
  I see the Herald is calling them the ‘kiwi pair’ to make us feel nice about them. Seems they didn’t care about anyone else but themselves though.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:13am
Scooter

I knew there was “camel toe” but not “cow toe”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300036393/coronavirus-health-minister-david-clark-frustrated-over-quarantine-mess
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June 18, 2020 9:49am
Maggie Pie

Some foreign sounding guy calling himself ‘CJ’, and claiming to be a NZ’er quarantined at the Ellerslie Novotel, just called Kerry Woodham to complain about the treatment he’s been getting from the staff there. (We actually heard him talking with Ryan Bridge at dinner-time last night as well.)
As my partner said, if what he has to say gets back to the hotel kitchen, he’ll have a lot more to worry about than just getting a dose of Covid.

LOL!!
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June 18, 2020 9:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Should be at Whangaparaoa, Papakura, Whenuapai, Waiouru. We are not short of secure isolation facilities
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:05am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Can I suggest a more secure place: Disappointment Island although Adams, Enderby or Ewing island would also suffice.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Nooooooo
      
      There have been no introduced mammals on Disappointment Is.
      
      Place is chokka with Albatrosses (white-capped mollymawk) and Mega-herbs.
      
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      June 18, 2020 11:22am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Black backed gulls can be substituted for short distance flying.
        
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        June 18, 2020 12:15pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Your knowledge of NZs flora and fauna really is appreciated Maggy (and rather incomparable). Please keep posting this stuff!
        
        NOT /s, genuine.
        
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        June 18, 2020 1:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I spent a few hours on Disappointment Island back in 1980… the first botanist to go there since the 1907 expedition.
        
        I hadn’t been warned that the place is full of blow-holes…. which you can’t see as the edges are surrounded by tall tussock grass and large-leaved plants….
        As I didn’t fancy a fall into the southern ocean… I literally crawled my way around a few square metres and couldn’t wait for the zodiac to come and take me off the place.
        
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        June 18, 2020 2:15pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      White Island. The temperatures there can sterilize everything that concern trolls and wokies (but I repeat myself) would worry about.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:47pm
MH

race relations man Meng Moon backs a Lynfield student who complains that the N word shouldn’t be uttered at all, even in discussion re racism in context by a teacher. How does student know nigger is derogatory ?Is it to be removed from dictionaries. Should the N be removed altogether and just dots nod nod wink wink be used? Moon says delete it from plays etc, and to encourage the brave kid to lodge a formal complaint, presumably the college kid can’t read or write. Black words matter. What about Pakeha ? Isn’t that derogatory? chuck in a macron and she’ll be white….P……
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June 18, 2020 10:13am
- MH
  
  dear Mr Moon, I’m over you.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:24am
  - MH
    
    dear Mr Moon, I’m over you.
    When are we gonna spell Maori words like they are being said. Fuckarewaroa, all predicated on the mores of the day. Who also noticed that the H inserted in WHANGANUI was put in upside down?
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Shows how utterly shallow , bullying and trivial these race warriors are : the pupil , the media and the commissioner.
    Context is everything. It was part of a text . Do we destroy everything . Who says certain words can never , ever be uttered ?
    
    Rappers do it constantly , I’m told . How is that then OK ?
    
    Very dangerous times.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:47am
- niggly
  
  Gee I hope the Lynfield student (and others) tell African Americans to stop using that word amongst themselves in jest!
  
  Plus I also hope the Lynfield students are not “white” (otherwise it reeks of “white privilege” telling “people of colour” what to do)!
  
  Major fail???!!!!
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:31am
- oldfella
  
  One way to deal with the word ‘nigger’ is to spell it ‘nigga’. The written form favoured by black rappers in their lyrics, and absolutely okay with their fans, black and white.
  And the word nigger is also apparently okay when it’s used in movie dialogue, as in Django Unchained where it’s tossed around like confetti.
  A movie applauded for that very thing by many in the MSM like the very lefty Guardian.
  https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2013/jan/14/django-unchained-n-word
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:11am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What are we going to about nigella sativa?
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Meng’s family name is Foon.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meng_Foon
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:16am
  - MH
    
    I had the wrong glasses on this morning, but am now corrected, thanks
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:09pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I call BS on that. The ‘M’ on the keyboard is nowhere near the ‘F’.
      
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      June 18, 2020 2:47pm
      - MH
        
        NO, it was transiting from the Herald to the comments.
        Still its all buffoonery
        
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        June 18, 2020 3:00pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @MH @ 3:00PM
        
        Oh, come on, MH, pull the other one. You typed ‘Moon’ three times over a period of 17 minutes!
        
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        June 18, 2020 3:38pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Correction: four times.
        
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        June 18, 2020 4:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  When are we going to see proper Maori grammar? Govt agencies and other keep appropriating Maori words or making them up and leaving out their contextural grammar which would give meaning to them. Amateurs.
  
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  June 18, 2020 12:11pm
I remember when

Does the lack of proper procedure at the border reflect the failure of both the media and social media?
The media’s job is to draw attention to the problems and failures of Government policies and their implementation. They failed to do this, instead, they were content to pick the low fruit at the media briefings.
Worse than that they, with the assistance of social media, constantly criticised Simon Bridges when he did his job of holding the Government task.
As a result of their lacklustre conduct, stories about failures of isolation procedures and border control were either overlooked or not detected.
Instead fluff pieces on Jacinda’s popularity at home and abroad filled columns intended for news.
Attention to the problems and failures would have increased our safety and meant that stories now emerging would have been sorted long before now.
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June 18, 2020 10:14am
david

The biggest issue for me is one of Labour being incompetent at the business of Government as a whole.
By this I mean that the role of Government is to look beyond the immediate and, because it has the resources that no other organisation has, to look at the future pathway options and do the scenario planning that provides blueprints for action when unlikely events do happen.
To my mind, the ball was dropped back in February or March (at the latest) when the prospect of widespread pandemic was imminent. That was the time when the planning teams for phases II, III, IV and V of handling the disease control should have been worked on.
If we can prepare plans for Auckland being wiped out by a volcano, we should have had effective border control, quarantine, re-opening procedure, compassionate, diplomat, new infection, visiting yachts, shipping, freight planes, charters, school re-opening etc etc plans developed and tested in advance of their implementation. Personnel assigned, legislated authorities put in place, roles of police, military,Immigration, other Ministries clearly defined, cross-functional teams developed (in isolation if necessary) and so on.
This was a make-it-up-as-you-go-along process and has been called out as such consistently over the past 4 months.
It has been denied and glossed over but has been proven to be true by a catastrophic series of blunders and cover-ups. Think PPE, butchers, The Warehouse, testing capacity, quarantine, David Clark, Trevor Mallard, the Cindy and Ashley Show, farcical press conferences, absconding isolation subjects, roadblocks, police harassing surfers and park-goers, gang tangi’s, to name just a few.
Lies, no accountability, destruction of the nation’s economy and wealth creating ability. what a shower!
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June 18, 2020 10:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And the worst thing is… we are back to square one.
  
  We’ve gained practically nothing from our Lockdowns… we are just as likely to get fresh imports of Coronavirus-19 in the next few months as we were in February.
  
  You would think after all this time and the $$$$$$ that have been thrown around, that we could have a border, quarantine and testing system up and running in an efficient manner.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:33am
  - MH
    
    If bordering on the ridiculous was anything to go by…Auckland to Wellington.
    
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    June 18, 2020 10:38am
  - cmm
    
    Well now the air force is involved. Maybe Nash’s Taxi helicopter can be used to fly people to Wellington instead.
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:47pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Lockdown was never going to prevent deaths, other than those caused by an over-whelmed hospital system using triage processes (as happened in NY).
  
  Coming out of shut down should only mean that the DHBs have sorted their supply chains and stockpiled PPE, made as many ICU beds available as possible and increased national supply of ventilators and high-flow oxygen. As a bonus, now looks like we have *some* evidence that dexamethasone is effective (and cheap) I hope Pharmac is sorting the supply chain on that ASAP.
  
  Until there is 60-80% exposure (or a vaccine that 90%+ people will actually take), herd immunity won’t kick in. But the lockdown was meant for maximum survival for those that do get sick, it was never going to prevent virus transmission in the long term. Oh yeah, unless you close the borders completely (even to citizens like me), NZ will constantly import cases – stopping them from getting into community transmission it critical. Pity about the Ministry of Health incompetents then, aye?
  
  Another wave is all but inevitable, particularly in the 60+ age group (with death rates rising exponentially in 10-year increments). And for those saying that the mass protests across the world haven’t [yet] been followed by mass deaths – granted. But those protesters wore a lot of masks (some estimates are 75% plus), were outdoors and primarily younger people under 40. They probably are transmitting it but they’re mostly in the asymptomatic/mild disease categories.
  
  Personally I don’t think its ethical to throw older people and those with underlying disease (cardiovascular, immune etc) under the bus. But then I’m also not Josef Mengele or Hans Eisele.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:40pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Note: before piling on its possible that I have used the device “hyperbole for effect” in evidence in the adjacent comment.
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

SOS. Antifa Warlords run out of ‘Vegan Meat Alternatives’ in Seattle.
But Starbucks is smuggling in Almond Lattes.
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June 18, 2020 10:37am
I remember when

Golriz Ghahraman: Know Your Place.
Errors:
Title – Doesn’t know her place unless she is at the front of the queue.
[Deleted by Mod]
However, book may be useful for anger management purposes!

[Mod: your description of Ms Ghahraman’s family status and definition of refugees is factually incorrect.]
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June 18, 2020 10:43am
- oldfella
  
  Just wondering, Mr Mod — if you’ve censored this comment for the reasons given, does it mean you will now edit out ALL ‘factually incorrect’ content?
  Where would you even begin? 😉
  
  [Mod: Fair point, we’d be here all day. But in this case it is easily observable and designed to denigrate an individual]
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Ct0ouRooY
    
    LOL!!
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

Headline: No kiss & cuddle….
Coronavirus: Ashley Bloomfield says there was no ‘kiss and cuddle’ when pair got lost

emphasis in the story is that Woodhouse got it wrong…

but what does this sentence reveal?
There was a very fleeting arm put around the woman,” Bloomfield told RNZ.

So when does putting an arm around a friend morph from a non-hug/non-cuddle into the real deal?

How many microseconds does the arm need to linger?

It seems a fleeting touch of a friend’s bottom is the real deal..
https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/118988243/man-facing-conviction-following-fleeting-touch-of-friends-bottom
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June 18, 2020 10:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Link to the Stuff article:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300037261/coronavirus-ashley-bloomfield-says-there-was-no-kiss-and-cuddle-when-pair-got-lost
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:50am
  - cmm
    
    No they didn’t hug, they just embraced.
    
    And he was there videoing them so he knows…. yeah right!
    
    The whole thing stinks end-to-end.
    
    I can’t believe someone could get lost finding the wrong highway from Novotel. It is right at the SH1 onramp. How do you get lost in 50 metres of driving?
    
    But you’d probably get a bit more lost if you first went to the KFC in Greenlane (other side of SH1) and then got a bit confused on that Greenlane roundabout.
    
    The only way to make this less credible is for Cindy to endorse what they said.
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:45pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Check their phones and see who, when and for how long their call(s) were. You don’t need another vehicle to give directions to supposedly lost poms.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:51pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Don’t even need the ladies’ own phones. As shown in an article early last month re: lack of commuting in AKL suburbs and socio-economic comparison during lockdown [I forget if it was $1uff or the herald] cell phone data is easily harvested from the towers themselves. Also, as has been mentioned by others, its a real stretch that two women from the UK cannot use google maps (or similar).
        
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        June 18, 2020 2:18pm
- chaos
  
  You know, the horse has bolted, I don’t trust a damn thing they say now, they are too incompetent and caught in too many lies now.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:51am
- chaos
  
  Imagine this Maggy, you’ve been in contact with people who have the virus and you are told hey no prob, just go on with your life until your test results come back
  
  “ “[The Ministry of Health] advised me that I can continue with my normal activities until I’ll hear back the results of our member,” the post says.
  
  Alkin told the Herald she decided to go into self-isolation, despite being told by Ministry of Health officials that she did not have to.
  
  “Imagine if my client is positive and I am positive, and then in the few days until the results come back, there could be hundreds of people involved.”
  
  Alkin said she was surprised she wasn’t advised to self-isolate, but decided that it would be best to do so.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340830
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:56am
- niggly
  
  Can’t remember where I saw/heard it a few weeks back, but someone (Jacinda? MSM Reporter?) was explaining the backstory of the (then) daily 1pm “covid” press conferences.
  
  Apparently the PM’s Covid team would talk with Mr Bloomfield a couple of hours beforehand, to discuss facts of the day and the messaging that would be used at 1pm stand-ups.
  
  (It was explained that this was to ensure both the PM and DG of Health didn’t provide “mixed messaging” when conveying critical information to the viewers and msm).
  
  So I guess this “messaging” is still occurring and “helpful” people aligned with the PM’s office are still offering “suggestions” to Mr Bloomfield on what to say?
  
  If so perhaps Mr Bloomfield better quickly realise that this “help” is “spin” and then one day when the “help” dries up then expect something new to happen – it’s called “meet the wheels of the Labour bus” and “take one for the (Labour) team” by being sacrificed and asked to resign!
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:14am
- Prince
  
  Also a headline that covid test shows the contact ‘has no covid’.
  Bullshit, we know Covid does not show up for up to 14 days after infection. Just more crap from a media desperate to protect their investments.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:18am
MH

Why haven’t the Greens condemned South Korea or taken them to the Environment Court for litter infractions over in North Korea? Someone has to pick up all those bits of paper.
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June 18, 2020 10:47am
- oldfella
  
  Why haven’t the Greens condemned China for putting millions of their own Uyghur citizens in re-education/concentration camps?
  We could send Goriz to defend them!
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:23am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I’ll part GoFund GollyGee’s ticket just to get that treacher* out of our country.
    
    *Treachers are people who are treacherous.
    
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    June 18, 2020 12:51pm
Inandout

Friend who usually holidays in Oz has taken his break in NZ, namely Napier/Gisborne/Whakatane. He describes how motels are generally booked out and I reply that is good, shows kiwis are travelling internally. Sadly tourism isn’t the case as most motels on the East Coast are full of ‘homeless’, with WINZ paying top room prices, no questions asked. Friend was lucky enough to secure one room in a motel and the owner apologised for the lack of accommodation, but needs must when no money is coming in from tourists. How long can this continue as it is bloody ridiculous genuine holiday makers are barred from getting decent motel rooms by a slush fund?
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June 18, 2020 10:49am
- Ian Boag
  
  This is a bit of a hard one.
  
  Suppose I own/lease a motel and things are dead slow. Along comes MSD who volunteer to rent the whole place for 6 months at full rate. What am I supposed to do? The clientele are probably not people I would normally want in the place, but – as you observed – needs must.
  
  A dollar is a dollar and all that. There will doubtless be some refurbishment after six months, but at full rate rental this is affordable.
  
  I know of one motel in Tauranga that did this and discovered he could even put dormitory-style beds in a disused meeting room (it had a toilet and shower) and charge for that too.
  
  All I can observe is that AFAIK, MSD don’t even beat on the moteliers to get a better price.
  
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  June 18, 2020 10:59am
  - surfing
    
    When you say ‘some refurbishment’, what does that mean? These people could destroy the entire place costing hundreds of thousands to repair.
    
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    June 18, 2020 11:23am
    - barnacle bill
      
      @surfing
      
      You do have a very expensive imagination.
      
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      June 18, 2020 11:45am
    - david
      
      Any savvy motel owner would get the Ministry to underwrite repair and maintenance costs incurred as a result of their tenancy.
      
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      June 18, 2020 12:14pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        15 unit motel all full at $130/night
        
        That’s $2k/night = $730k/year or about $50k/unit/year.
        
        I think there would be some dosh left … You could try the “pay for R&M” thing, but would probably not lose too much sleep if MSD said no.
        
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        June 18, 2020 1:46pm
      - Inandout
        
        david, yes they do pay for any damage, but as one motelier told me, there are some homeless families who were so bad at renting in the private sector he has ended up with them. And yes they are right bastards to accommodate, so genuine occupiers get tarred with the same brush. This can only end with the motel industry getting to the stage where their image is tarnished badly. If this crap eventually disappears and I was to own a motel I would state quite clearly I was WINZ free.
        
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        June 18, 2020 3:10pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        If I owned/leased a motel and I could get 25% overall occupancy for nice people and 100% for a group that included lowlifes sent by MSD (both at full price) I guess it might not be an easy decision.
        
        Tarnishing the image of the motel industry might be some way down my list of priorities. I guess you would have to be there ….. 🙁
        
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        June 18, 2020 3:30pm
Swifty

DG – are you free the night of Tuesday, June 30?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340896

🙂
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June 18, 2020 10:55am
surfing

Apparently Queenstown wants you, but, only in groups of two. Prices are crazy considering the whining that is going on.
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June 18, 2020 10:56am
- oldfella
  
  And Queenstown is also floating the idea of filling up their empty beds by becoming some kind of initial transit/ quarantine camp for overseas students when/if we ever let them back in.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:27am
kwkiwigirl

Has it struck anyone how expensive these quarantine facilities are that these new arrivals are being housed at? Do they really have to stay in central Auckland in the height of luxury at the Pullman Hotel for eg. It’s not like they can go sightseeing anywhere round the town (or shouldn’t be)

Often times these NZ resident arrivals will be people who left NZ long ago and have not paid any tax into the system for many years. Maybe they could make a contribution to the quarantine housing cost?

Also anyone who’s been to the Novotel Ellerslie knows that that is a hugely expensive place to stay due to it’s proximity to the airport. Often $200-300 a day. Why can’t these people be housed at Whenuapai or some remotely located accomodation blocks somewhere in NZ? Maybe next to a deserted paddock and they could be let out once a day on to the paddock for fresh air and not endangering any of the team of 5m.

In China don’t people get taken out somewhere in the wop wops to some deserted block for quarantining? How much is this costing NZ? Is there any budgetary constraints on the quarantining? It’s not like NZ Inc is going to be flush with funds after Covid.
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June 18, 2020 11:00am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  White Island. Back yard sterilization facility; and it’s not as if it will erupt again any time soon; plus it has a tried and tested evacuation plan. /sarc (in case it was not obvious).
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:07pm
- Roy
  
  Some thorts.
  Wild assumptions on Kiwis not being treated a sregular human beings on arrival(you want to put then in to huts in Whenuapai(of which there is buggar all spare accomodation by the way)
  
  Consider this.
  Top end hotels are empty due to lack of overseas(read people with money) visiting New Zealand.
  The Government has already thrown billions at paying to keep people being paid and businesses staying viable.
  Lower cost accomodation have been taken over by Governmnet paying to accomodate homeless.
  
  Now consider that the Governmnet will NOT be paying the $200-$300 a night you muse as the cost.
  
  Personally. I think is a good move by Governmnet.
  One of the few I must admit.
  
  It keeps the prisoners happy(being in upmarket digs)
  It keeps the hotels(and staff) viable until sanity returns.
  In the big scheme of things(Think Shane Jones $3,000,000,000 election/slush fund)
  Its quite cheap really.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    How would you know what rate is being charged?
    
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    June 18, 2020 2:40pm
- chuk
  
  Why aren’t the new arrivals paying for their accommodation and meals in quarantine? If you don’t want to pay then don’t come here.
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:36am
skyblue

Q1 GDP is -1.6%. Q2 will be a lot worse.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300037447/covid19-takes-16-per-cent-chunk-out-of-gdp
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June 18, 2020 11:11am
kowtow

‘MSD don’t even beat on the moteliers to get a better price.’

Why should they , it’s only tax payers’ money.
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June 18, 2020 11:12am
chaos

Sounds like a nice little holiday! Lol

* A homeless man snuck into a five-star hotel operating as a COVID-19 quarantine facility for new arrivals and stayed there for two weeks, the Opposition’s health spokesperson claims.

Michael Woodhouse made the shocking new allegation of incompetence against the Ministry of Health to The AM Show on Thursday morning. Although the anecdote is “unverified”, he said he obtained the information from an Auckland-based health professional.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/coronavirus-homeless-man-allegedly-stayed-in-auckland-covid-19-quarantine-facility-for-two-weeks.html
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June 18, 2020 11:14am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Sounds like the gang members, staying at the Pullman, who went off with the early release exemption, to the funeral weren’t even that enamoured with the place to actually want to return.
  
  Maybe a motel on the side of the road at Tirau would have been just as good for them and wouldn’t have cost the NZ tax payer so much as the Pullman digs.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:42am
Nukuleka

I took great pleasure in signing the change.org petition calling for leftie pro- BLM ‘The Guardian’ newspaper to be shut down because of its 19th century support for the Confederate States in the American Civil War and its support for slavery! How I love to see the left eat its own. And I’m more than happy to add my voice to theirs.

https://www.change.org/p/independent-press-standards-organisation-shut-down-the-guardian-newspaper?recruiter=437051766
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June 18, 2020 11:16am
surfing

Clear case of self defense….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8432721/Video-shows-former-Albuquerque-city-council-candidate-whipping-gun-firing-four-shots.html#newcomment
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June 18, 2020 11:22am
surfing

Supports JK Rowlings position against the howling minority who cant’ tell the difference between equal and equal rights.

https://unherd.com/2020/06/why-j-k-rowling-had-to-be-denounced/
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June 18, 2020 11:25am
niggly

Yesterday the Mayor Queenstown was in the news suggesting that Queenstown be used for isolating foreign students (and provide much needed jobs and income for hospitality etc).

(I thought “great idea”, after all the students will stay in place and not ask for exemptions to travel before their two weeks are up …. but pity the timing was out when the media interviewed him when the s*** hit the fan about the two women travelling etc).

Hehe I wonder … if one were a “smart senior CoL Minister” right now, shouldn’t they get on the phone to the Queenstown Mayor pronto and take up his offer …but to house ALL returning travelers in self-isolation in Queenstown? That way the Govt can be spared the embarrassment of covid infected travelers tiki-touring and getting lost around the North Island between Auckland and Wellington, and wrecking their election chances??!!! 😉
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June 18, 2020 11:28am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  The international students could also be housed in those Rotorua motels where MSD are placing all those Auckland homeless people.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:44am
Jack5

Oxford University’s Oriel College has voted to remove the statue of Cecil Rhodes. This is one of dozens of statues in Britain that the Black Lives Matter mob want taken down.

There’s one further step to go: an independent commission will be set up.

What happens to the remaining cash that Rhodes set up to fund Rhodes scholarships, and which has brought some of the demonstrating black students to England?

Perhaps it should be redirected to giving them scholarships to study in what was Rhodesia and is now Zimbabwe.

Some day the Leftists and race activists will be sorry they started this statue-felling bullshit. There are Leftist and black “icons” that will be vulnerable.
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June 18, 2020 11:29am
- SB2
  
  The Bristol City Council have retrieved the statue of slave trader Edward Colston dumped in the harbour by protestors.,
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/colston-statue-bristol-museum-river-avon-history-a9559771.html
  
  It is proposed to put it in the local Museum with graffiti and manacles intact.There are many different ways we can interpret and deal with the past. For example in Sofia , Bulgaria they have created a park set aside for toppled statues of Lenin, Stalin, Bulgarian Communist leaders.
  
  Berlin and Germany is another example how they’ve dealt creatively with with their past where putting up a statue of Hitler or say Himmler would be unthinkable.
  
  https://www.visitberlin.de/en/memorial-murdered-jews-europe
  
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  June 18, 2020 12:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    The BLM mob has also defaced the statue of Churchill.
    
    Are you equating Churchill,too, with Lenin and Stalin, Hitler, and Himmler, SB2?
    
    Then there’s the mob aspect. It’s one thing if a council votes to move a statue, another if a mob tear it down.
    
    Once you condone a minority trying illegally to force revision of a nation’s history, you set a precedent for other mobs that you might strongly disagree with.
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:22pm
- Steve Todd
  
  […] in what was Rhodesia […].
  
  Southern Rhodesia.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:31pm
  - Inandout
    
    ST, which one was the ‘bread basket’ of Africa?
    
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    June 18, 2020 3:15pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Why do you ask?
      
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      June 18, 2020 3:31pm
oldfella

So a lone, disgruntled, social media poster takes Rangitoto College to task for cultural appropriation for staging an iconic black musical with mostly white kids … and the college folds. (Of course.)
— Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon, speaking before the school announced their decision to cancel, defended New Zealand schools’ rights to perform plays from overseas, even if they couldn’t cast them with the same ethnic mix as the original shows. “We’re free to express,” Foon said. “The world’s changing so quickly and I think if you want to present it, you can present it. But you must make all efforts to find appropriate characters acting in the play.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12340667
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June 18, 2020 11:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Acting is just that, and that includes black faces.
  The PM acts all the time.
  
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  June 18, 2020 11:57am
- Maggie Pie
  
  They could do with someone like Meng back in his own country…… 😀
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY
  
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  June 18, 2020 12:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Crikey Dick!
    
    Thank goodness it wasn’t Persil’s “whiter than white”
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:42pm
- Fletch
  
  And yet it’s OK to want to cast a black person as any other traditionally white character, like James Bond, Annie, Nick Fury, Ms Moneypenny, Johnny Storm (in the Fantastic Four movie), The Kingpin (in Daredevil), Hermione Grainger (in a play), Mary Jane (whose distinguishing feature in Spider-Man was having red hair), Iris West (in The Flash), Perry White (in Man of Steel)…
  
  And I could go on..
  
  If a white person ever gets cast in a part traditionally taken by someone of another ethnicity (Angelina Jolie in Ghost in the Machine) then everyone is suddenly up in arms. But having a black person cast as someone whose character was traditionally white is seen as no problem and no one complains.
  
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  June 18, 2020 12:52pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Don’t forget Idris Elba as Heimdall – we’re talking about an actual mythological being that was the whitest of the Nordic gods. Could you imagine if a white guy played Maui?
    The Rock played Hercules as well while I’m at it.
    
    The funniest bit of course is that the Wiz is a racial reimagining of white characters.
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:27pm
    - oldfella
      
      Of course Denzil Washington has already appeared onstage as ‘Hamlet’. And before the Wuhan flu stopped production, he was getting ready to appear as the Scottish king in a new film version of ‘Macbeth’.
      
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      June 18, 2020 4:26pm
      - Fletch
        
        Och Ay, homie….
        
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        June 18, 2020 7:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        There’s an old Sassenach, pre-BLM racist joke:
        
        World’s best infantry? Scotch soldiers with white officers.
        
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        June 18, 2020 8:26pm
  - Inandout
    
    Oh Fletch, what about a black Hitler?
    
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    June 18, 2020 3:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You mean a “Polynesian Jew”?
      https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/dec/26/taika-waititi-flight-of-the-conchords-thor-ragnarok-jojo-rabbit-nazi-dictator#:~:text=As%20a%20boy%20in%20New,swastikas%20all%20over%20his%20notebooks.&text=But%20this%20is%20Taika%20Waititi,likable%20people%20on%20the%20planet.
      
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      June 18, 2020 7:34pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I think we are going to have to require certification as to DNA composition and agreement with any makeup applied too.
    
    Gender issues are involved too–men cross dressing to take female acting or singing parts. Hence the legacy of choir boys as choristers.
    The quest for truth can take more than it yields.
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:22pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What’s Race Relations got to do with school productions? (Except behind the curtain stuff?)
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:24pm
MH

and Shakespeare had men to do the ladies parts,if you know what I mean.
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June 18, 2020 12:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partners brother in-law re-tweets….

“Atlanta police officers are refusing to answer their radios and walking off the job. The country can go screw themselves. If they want a country without police we’ll give them one. LET IT BURN”

Such is the state of America 🙁
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June 18, 2020 1:00pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, charging that cop with murdering Brooks is drawing a long bow. Brooks (who is a big guy) pummeled those two cops to the ground hard enough to knock off their body cams, took a taser off one cop, before running away on foot and pointing the taser at an officer. How did they know it was the taser or another weapon he was drawing? And he has a rap sheet which includes cruelty to children, family violence, theft, and obstruction of law officers.
  
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/video-second-video-released-shows-rashard-brooks-pointing-taser-gun-police-deadly-shooting/
  
  https://www.rapsheetz.com/georgia/doc-prisoner/BROOKS_RAYSHARD/1001370147
  
  That’s not to say he should have been killed, but still – if you have a disagreement with the cops, you don’t fight them, take their weapons and try to use it against them
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Like pissing into the wind. Only a fool does it.
    
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    June 18, 2020 2:30pm
  - oldfella
    
    An interesting opinion from a black sheriff who considers it a justified shooting and explains why.
    https://www.augustachronicle.com/news/20200615/burke-county-sheriff-believes-use-of-force-in-atlanta-shooting-justified
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:32pm
Batman

So the Bolton book is now emerging, and is already demonstrating why Don is so keen to have it locked away.

Turns out he is not only a massive idiot but reckless and anti-democratic too (shocking news for almost nobody).

Here’s a nice collection of quotes from a Daily Telegraph reporter:

https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1273345336346578945?s=19

:: Trump urged the Chinese president to help get him re-elected, indicating buying more from US farmers.

:: Trump told President Xi building concentration camps for Muslims “was exactly the right thing to do”

:: Trump offered to halt criminal investigations “to, in effect, give personal favors to dictators he liked”

:: Trump said invading Venezuela would be “cool” and it was “really part of the United States”

:: Putin compared the Venezuelan oppo leader claiming the presidency (Juan Guaido) to Hillary Clinton to sway Trump. Bolton says Trump was ‘largely persuaded’

:: Trump compared Guaido to a “kid” who was weak vs “strong” Maduro

:: Trump told Chinese president people wanted 2-term limit repealed for him + nodded when Xi said US had too many elections

:: Bolton feared “obstruction of justice as a way of life” emerging + reported concern to attorney general

[*all according to reports of Bolton book]
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June 18, 2020 1:01pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  TDS can be treated y’know. You do not have to keep suffering, Batman, help is available. Just reach out!
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:09pm
  - Batman
    
    Yeah Engel you should should really seek help for your inability to accept that your favourite strongman is actually a collosal idiot.
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:15pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Collosal? Lay off the late arvo Chardonnay, BM.
      
      Also, my favorite strongman is actually Lucius Cincinnatus.
      
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      June 18, 2020 2:56pm
    - Inandout
      
      Was Bolton a closet racist and what did he do while at college? If you throw shit then karma often happens.
      
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      June 18, 2020 3:19pm
- Fletch
  
  Bolton is a sell-out. Even if any of that is true, publishing a tell-all book during a president’s tenure is a no-no. I have no respect for Bolton at all, who appears to have done it for the money and/or a case of sour grapes.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:10pm
  - Batman
    
    You’ve disproven absolutely nothing there, aside from a bunch of ad-homs.
    
    Funny that so many staff have “sour grapes” after working for Don…
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:14pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Funny that “staff” at a publishers don’t want to publish J K Rowling’s book.
      
      I guess NZ ‘s not the only country with idiots.
      
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      June 18, 2020 2:28pm
      - Batman
        
        Mate, you’ve entered the wrong chat here ?
        
        Also Fletch, the administration is suing on grounds of national security, saying the information is classified. Well, that means the information is real and factual, ergo Bolton is telling the truth they don’t want told.
        
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        June 18, 2020 4:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Jeez Batman, did you miss the staff connection?
        
        And as I said, we are infested with idiots it would seem.
        
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        June 18, 2020 5:32pm
  - SGA
    
    I have no respect for Bolton at all, who appears to have done it for the money and/or a case of sour grapes.
    
    He joins the increasing list of people who Trump chose to work with him, but say that they became “disenchanted” or “disappointed” (to be charitable) with what was going on in the White House. Perhaps, you are correct – all of these people were flawed in one way of another. But I’m left wondering, Fletch, what would it take for you acknowledge that the problem might be with Trump?
    
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    June 18, 2020 1:55pm
    - Fletch
      
      You can bet your bottom dollar that Obama has much, much more to hide and more skeletons in the closet. No one would dream of writing about it though, because he is a Democrat.
      
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      June 18, 2020 7:22pm
      - Mike
        
        He wore a tan suit!
        He saluted with a coffee cup!
        He ordered Dijon mustard!
        
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        June 18, 2020 7:56pm
      - SGA
        
        Oh for heaven’s sake, Fletch, that’s it? Even as a whataboutism it makes little sense. People like Mattis and Bolton say bad things about Trump because Democrats didn’t say anything bad about Obama? Say what…?
        
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        June 18, 2020 8:56pm
- cmm
  
  The problem with “X said…” anecdotes are that they are always cherry-picked and taken out of context and can be distorted to say whatever anyone wants.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:58pm
  - Mike
    
    Yes, I wonder in what context Trump told Xi that putting Muslims in concentrations camps “was exactly the right thing to do”. Perhaps it was in the context of “should I execute all the Uyghurs, or just put them in camps”?
    
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    June 18, 2020 2:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Good comment Mike. Context is everything 😉
      
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      June 18, 2020 6:03pm
- Tall Man
  
  ardern said she had a “wee dance” when she learned we were covid free …… What’s she done now?
  
  So what’s your point. Stupid leaders say stupid things …. what does that make the people who worry about it?
  
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  June 18, 2020 2:26pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Reporting any passage from the Bolton book may be hazardous. Pres Trump has shown he can and will exercise extraterritorial jurisdiction.
  Even in NZ we have laws requiring confidentiality from those in Public Service.
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:08pm
  - Batman
    
    The administration is now suing under natsec and classification grounds. That applies to Bolton and not others.
    
    It also means the information is factual.
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:52pm
Fletch

My biggest “what the?!” double-take of the day…
Mike Hosking interviewed Chaser quizzer Paul Sinha on this morning’s show and they got around to talking about him catching Coronavirus during lockdown, and … his husband? Was a surprise to me, anyway.
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June 18, 2020 1:07pm
- Steve Todd
  
  It was no surprise to me, and would have been no surprise to most others. Clearly, you don’t watch The Chaser, or, if you do, only sporadically.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:37pm
  - Fletch
    
    Actually, we watch it all the time. Almost every day.
    
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    June 18, 2020 2:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Sinha comes across in the Chase as a pleasant bloke, as well as a knowledgeable one.
  
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  June 18, 2020 1:43pm
  - Mike
    
    He was a good participant in one series of Taskmaster, too.
    I wonder how many people Fletch knows, but has no idea about their sexuality, as they seem ‘normal’ to him.
    
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    June 18, 2020 2:49pm
  - Inandout
    
    jack5, his sexuality is well known and he has mentioned his husband. He also has Parkinsons I believe.
    
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    June 18, 2020 3:22pm
fernglas

I’ve just invented a new drinking game. I have a driink every time Ashley Bloomfield says the word “procotl” “protcoco” proooooooo……….
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June 18, 2020 1:47pm
[email protected]

The official jobless figures come out in August. I’m dreading the results.
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June 18, 2020 2:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/cracker-jacks-changes-name-to-more-politically-correct-caucasian-jacks?utm_content=buffer6b312&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR36rc8sskfhNZG2wL42pmZSyRvspF_Tdro9Da1uNnVjFb_WdreYX90gVoU
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June 18, 2020 2:30pm
- Mike
  
  Say goodbye to dark chocolate and black coffee, too.
  
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  June 18, 2020 2:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You are being quite the card tonight. Tullamore Dew?
    
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    June 18, 2020 6:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      A list of racial descriptions to avoid – mildly amusing is “Afro-Saxon” for young white Americans devoted to black pop culture:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs_by_ethnicity
      
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      June 18, 2020 8:36pm
cmm

Our man Ash says he’s upset.

Upset?? FFS man good leaders don’t get upset.

Can anyone imagine Winston Churchill telling the world he was upset?

This is not a once off. The quarantine has been very porous. So what the hell are you upset about?

Maybe that this is backfiring in the media?
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June 18, 2020 3:02pm
- kowtow
  
  When Wuflu started the official response was check those on a flight in only the few seats nearest the carrier.
  
  Now it’s follow up on everyone on the plane.
  
  What am I missing about go early go hard ?
  
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  June 18, 2020 3:04pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, poor Ash will next say he is ashamed of being a white male.
  
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  June 18, 2020 3:23pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    He should just be ashamed of going along to get along while well out of his depth and being a Tedros-disciple World Hoax Organization sycophant. That’s more than enough to be ashamed of already.
    
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    June 18, 2020 6:22pm
Swifty

Total misrepresentation and scapegoating from Hipkins and Clark – trying to plant the seed in people’s minds that somehow Chris Bishop is responsible for Clark and the Ministry of Health’s failings:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12341059

Again, show us the evidence that Bishop’s representation called for a relaxation of quarantine rules and for them to be allowed to traverse the country untested for COVID.

Show me that evidence and I’ll call Bishop irresponsible.

Fail to show that evidence and I’ll call Labour deceitful and, once again, trying to mislead New Zealanders – and by trying to shift blame from them and on to an innocent party.

Reprehensible, if true.
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June 18, 2020 3:17pm
- Alex13
  
  “Irresponsible” does not explain why he (Bishop) was so eager to lobby for the two women’s release and why the MoH granted the exception. No exception was grated when other people were not allowed to say goodbye to their dying relatives at the hospital, with PPE or without…
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    I have no idea why he lobbied for the two women, if he in fact did so.
    
    But the reason he did so is irrelevant to their being allowed, by those in charge, to cruise the country infected with COVID.
    
    He is not the decision maker. He is not in charge.
    
    Can you not see that?
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:57pm
  - chaos
    
    He wasn’t so eager, he forwarded an email. He didn’t approve them for release, he did no fail to test them. He didn’t grant there release. He forwRded an email.
    
    Is your real name Alex dr David Clark?
    
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    June 18, 2020 5:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The dying parent was in the Hutt Valley, I believe.
    
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    June 18, 2020 6:12pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  I think Bishop must have been approached as a Hutt MP as the women were doing the rounds trying to get their exemption through. Tv3 news also reported last night that the pair had approached them before the shit hit the fan. They must have wanted tv3 to run a news story to get the exemption through.
  
  Of course Bishop would have been expecting, regardless of the outcome, that proper quarantine procedures were in place. Is that the best Labour can think up?
  
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  June 18, 2020 5:12pm
Alex13

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
National MP Chris Bishop lobbied for the two women who were released from quarantine before testing positive for COVID-19. Corruption is alive and well…
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June 18, 2020 3:29pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Bullshit Alex. MP’s advocated on behalf of constituents all the time. Bishop lobbied for these women on the basis that the MoH would grant them a compassionate exemption based on them meeting the testing requirements. It’s not Bishop’s fault they were released without having been tested; it’s entirely the fault of the MoH, and by extension, of the Minister of Health, who is ultimately responsible for decisions made by his Ministry.
  
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  June 18, 2020 3:44pm
  - Alex13
    
    Sorry Tony, I don’t regard naivete as charming any more.
    
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    June 18, 2020 3:48pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Nice try but the CoL’s propaganda has turned to Cinders and Ashes as was previously mentioned.
      
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      June 18, 2020 4:19pm
    - Batman
      
      Alex, there is a dedicated email address at MoH for MPs to send such cases too, which Bishop used.
      
      So you’re saying that the MoH now has official email addresses for corruption activities? That must mean that Ardern’s entire government is now openly and officially corrupt, right Alex?
      
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      June 18, 2020 4:54pm
  - chaos
    
    Here is what took place tony
    
    * “On June 12, I was contacted by two women at the Novotel Hotel in Auckland via email. They asked for help in having the Ministry of Health urgently assess their application for compassionate consideration to visit their very sick mother,” Bishop said in a statement.
    
    “On Saturday afternoon, once I saw the email, I forwarded it to the elected officials email address and the ministerial exemptions address at the Ministry of Health and asked for the case to be looked at as soon as possible.
    
    “Obviously I did this on the basis that testing would occur and the rules would be followed. My job as MP for Hutt South is to assist constituents, which I was doing.”
    
    The women should have been tested after three days, he said.
    
    “They weren’t. They should have been tested before being released. They weren’t.”*
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:18pm
- chaos
  
  Your point is what? Anyone can do that, but that doesn’t mean they will be or should be released. Hell the queen herself could ring up and say let my citizens green, but that doesn’t mean they should be. And listening to the radio interview with Todd, him and Chris believed people were being tested as they got off the plane, because that is what the communist leader claimed was happening
  
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  June 18, 2020 3:44pm
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    The point is clearly Labour trying to pin this on National.
    
    It’s being pursued by Labour bros all across social media at the moment.
    
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    June 18, 2020 4:53pm
    - chaos
      
      Yeah, trying to save an incompetent minister of health and prime minister. Shit if Chris bishop sending an email to the ministry of health is what caused these woman to not be tested, to be released, then cna Chris bishop please send an email to the queen asking for the arrest of the entire labour government of New Zealand and for every national supporter to be given a billion dollars each.
      
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      June 18, 2020 5:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        1 billion ……. I’ve got needs.
        
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        June 18, 2020 6:12pm
- barnacle bill
  
  It sure is Alex.
  
  It is always the case with National, give them enough rope, and they hang themselves.
  
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  June 18, 2020 3:53pm
  - Happychappy
    
    No one does dirty Politics than Labour you only have to go back to Mike William’s and Pete Hodgson sent to Australia to dig dirt on John Key and last year when Grant Robertson and Jacinda Ardern with the help of Winston and the Treasury boss tried to blame National over their own incompetence allowing people to upload budget information. So again we have Labour shooting themselves in the foot again through there own incompetence.
    
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    June 18, 2020 6:37pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  This line bought to you by the busy little beavers of Fraser house.
  How dare an MP lobby for constituents!! But do tell us Alex, why is it that Chris is the Machiavellian Devil responsible for this prison break when it is the MOH (with Labor bosses) who signed off on it
  
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  June 18, 2020 3:58pm
- Nookin
  
  Corruption, Alex? Are you saying that Bishop sought some sort of payment or favour for doing this? Can you provide the link?
  
  Are you suggesting that he prevailed upon MoH to grant leave without precautions (testing, etc). If so then surely you will be able to provide the link because you could bet your bottom dollar that Clark would have made thousands of photocopies and would have been dropping them from the rooftops.
  You may not find naïveté charming any more. You might find that others are even less tolerant of bigotry.
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:10pm
- rangitoto
  
  Bishop was doing his job ya muppet.
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:17pm
- alloytoo
  
  Why?
  
  Is Chris Bishop Minister of Health?
  (we should be so lucky)
  
  Anybody can lobby for anything they like and it’s the Ministry’s responsibility to follow their protocols.
  
  (Unless the lobbying is addressed to the PM and written in crayon, in which case it’s just a Captain’s call)
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Scraping the barrel now ya muppet.
  
  ardern did a wee dance last weekend, what’s she doing today … asking for a friend.
  
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  June 18, 2020 6:14pm
Swifty

I urge everyone to listen to this brief interview on poverty from someone who is clearly racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljC8AyPTZt8

What he’s saying is this poverty issue being peddled by the left is a chimera. A farce.

I’d put my money on him being a white supremacist.
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June 18, 2020 3:34pm
chaos

The best time to commit a crime, when labour are in government

* The Justice select committee has grilled the Corrections Minister after offenders had thousands of community service hours wiped during lockdown.

During Covid-19, the government made changes to sentencing laws, which meant probation officers could shorten an offender’s community work sentence by up to a third.

The select committee today heard up to 130,000 hours of community service was credited over lockdown.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/government-erases-thousands-of-hours-of-community-service.html
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June 18, 2020 4:24pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve just swithched the radio from Ryan Bridge Drive and back to HDPA on 1ZB.
There’s nothing worse than listening to some gay guy trying to push his sexuality down other peoples throats.
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June 18, 2020 4:33pm
- chaos
  
  Sure there is, listening to our communist leader
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    100 upticks
    
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    June 18, 2020 5:50pm
- Batman
  
  Sorry to hear that he’s calling for you to become a lesbian Maggie, thoughts and prayers.
  
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  June 18, 2020 4:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Been there done that Bats – ain’t what it’s cracked up to be 😛
    
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    June 18, 2020 5:08pm
    - chaos
      
      You did bats? So that’s how covid got into nz
      
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      June 18, 2020 5:14pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/inside-business/121874277/dunedins-captain-cook-pub-renamed-dive

I would have renamed it “The James”.
Or “The Kook”.
Or “The Jimmy Cook”.

How sad that it only takes a couple of ideologically-driven idiots with the support of the MSM to screw-up the lives and living of ordinary people in NZ.
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June 18, 2020 4:51pm
- lifesgood
  
  Well it is a Dive so an appropriate name. Captain Cook is too good for it.
  
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  June 18, 2020 7:57pm
lifesgood

I heard Kathryn Ryan interview someone from E Tu union today. He was introduced and thanked at the end as Savage, not Mr Savage, not John or Bill or any other first name Savage…just Savage. Wtf! Why aren’t the protesters after him.
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June 18, 2020 5:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ummm, he’s savage 😉
  
  They only go for soft targets.
  
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  June 18, 2020 6:07pm
oldfella

Just when you thought the world couldn’t get any weirder… the new taste sensations being wheeled out by Marks & Spencer.
How about strawberry-infused clotted cream, Marmite peanut butter, or chocolate cream cheese?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-8433221/Dare-bite-new-Frankenspreads.html
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June 18, 2020 5:23pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  O.M.G .thanks oldy!
  just wisked up a quik bach of the crunvhy peanut butter and marmite – I’M IN HEAVEN.
  Fab with my VM gold medal pinot 😛
  
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  June 18, 2020 5:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In Alaska, toast with butter is amazing. They do not like it, but we bring our own, Baa
  
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  June 18, 2020 5:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    fuck toast with butter and MARMITE!!
    
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    June 18, 2020 6:00pm
    - Mike
      
      That’s an odd kink. Do you eat the toast afterwards?
      
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      June 18, 2020 7:18pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “It’s toast, Jim, but not as we know it…”
    
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    June 18, 2020 6:29pm
chaos

Bloody hell, how the fuck do you give someone an exemption to go visit people that should be being protected.

* A recently returned overseas traveller had the potential to enter Christchurch Hospital with staff unaware they had not completed a 14-day quarantine period.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121870315/quarantined-person-had-potential-to-enter-christchurch-hospital-without-staff-knowing
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June 18, 2020 6:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So if you send a request for help/advice to your local MP you can now assume that the matter might get splashed all around Parliament and the Media by other MPs.
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June 18, 2020 6:29pm
- chaos
  
  Yes because the communist party leading this country has never and can never take any responsibility for their gross negligence and constant fuck ups.
  
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  June 18, 2020 6:33pm
- nasska
  
  That’s probably what the Mad Queen meant when she promised ‘open government’.
  
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  June 18, 2020 6:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Yes, when said Labour MPs consider it to their advantage.
  
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  June 18, 2020 6:45pm
- Swifty
  
  Hang on, didn’t lefties pillory Paula Bennett for supposedly doing this?
  
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  June 18, 2020 6:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  I wonder what records have been kept concerning those who “reported” others during lockdown for being naughty seat candidates.
  
  Perhaps they are now being perused by SIS to see who they support politically and if they can be extorted in some way …… after all, we’re now open and transparent 🙂
  
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  June 18, 2020 7:06pm
Rob2

Just thought many of you would be interested in this pic remender of high speed travel up and down the country.

https://www.facebook.com/SteveTheMaoriDaniel/photos/a.438195996263113/3098606413555378/?type=3&eid=ARDnNpHcNK7yrDC4GFJy-UV-wnJ9ErWPPyyqie6MgpVG3gTNDfPPiIix_URUfVd6GFoTrtZp7PNfduYK&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARApjSH2BPG3xvPDUrx7Btb2HZeucC1d89MTmF1TCb7h1OWN9xlO6FEa5APbeWnac4dBRGbFpOy2aj15Maym2VxJcB344gjrUgM_WemFWLx307BJbXzKdnlgVxGHQSaBN9lBUQOxxBIQDwtS_NmqFZpb4Kr_vVbKaPtbVK4kcQ_C-8zOBN3IJkQP-3mJO609CrDggSpMZG82JEkYDfH6wlMrwq9hZe23F6_O39PV1yzBg5gY5bzs_YUODgR8Z2mKKPo11Et3NTacet6nwpzKuRXmSUXG_l5G1EyarCN88TUkmDCOSsCVxKac268beNNUkSenIA-0DjTIQQZK_mPoEeEDIPXd3858P61pAbUyGGrqKcvqV_oMdEE&__tn__=EHH-R

😆 😆
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June 18, 2020 6:33pm
- Jack5
  
  Hi Rob: a Kiwiblog poster gave me a tip about long cross-links recently.
  
  He said that if you delete everything beyond the question mark, it will still work. I tried your link here ending at the slash before the question mark and it worked.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:20pm
Swifty

Powerful, powerful stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ESlS2jrhXY

One of my favourite humans smashes some myths of multiculturalism.
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June 18, 2020 6:43pm
chaos

* A guest at the Auckland isolation hotel where two coronavirus-carrying women stayed has been moved to quarantine after developing Covid-19 symptoms.

Stuff understands the person is being moved to Jet Park Hotel near Auckland Airport from Novotel Ellerslie after developing symptoms.

Their symptoms arose several days after the departure of two women from the Ellerslie facility on Saturday before their mandatory 14-day period was up.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300037658/coronavirus-auckland-novotel-guest-has-covid-symptoms-after-pair-test-positive
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June 18, 2020 6:54pm
chaos

Jezz, you just can’t write a show like this

* A public wedding party was held in the exercise room of a quarantine hotel – and the guests had no idea.

The ballroom at the Pullman Hotel in Auckland is used during the day for its quarantined guests that may have COVID-19 to exercise in.

Pictures obtained by Newshub show a man running around it and children playing together.

But on Saturday the ballroom was closed – and rented out to a 25th wedding anniversary party.*

* Repeated attempts to get a response from the Ministry of Health and the All of Government COVID-19 response have been ignored.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/public-wedding-party-allowed-at-auckland-quarantine-hotel.html
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June 18, 2020 6:57pm
chaos

More smoke and mirrors from the liar in charge

* Newshub has learned Air Commodore Darryn ‘Digby’ Webb, who was recently appointed to manage the border, isn’t so new after all.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced Webb would take charge of protecting New Zealand’s borders on Tuesday.

However, he has actually been “responsible” for a while. A spokesman confirming, he “started four weeks ago”. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/assistant-chief-of-defence-was-already-in-charge-when-covid-19-pair-left-quarantine.html
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June 18, 2020 7:49pm
Tony Stuart

And to add to the drama, the bloke “appointed” by Jacinda Ardern yesterday to take over responsibility for quarantine facilities, has actually been in charge of quarantine facilities for the last month!!

In breaking news, it’s been revealed the military official who was yesterday announced as the new head of our border controls has in fact been in charge of isolation facilities and repatriation for at least the past month.

The Prime Minister yesterday said she was bringing in the military to resolve current border botch-ups, but Checkpoint has had confirmation tonight that Air Commodore Digby Webb has already been in that role.

Checkpoint understands he was actually in charge of the unit when the decision was made to grant a compassionate exemption to two sisters who were released from managed isolation early before they were tested for Covid-19. But the Ministry of Health signs off on compassionate exemptions, not Air Commodore Webb.

The pair later tested positive and more than 300 people are now being contact-traced.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018751285/breaking-digby-webb-already-overseeing-isolation-facilities

This revelation is a biggie, because it goes directly to the credibility of the Prime Minister, who made a big song and dance yesterday about bringing Air Commodore Webb in to run things. She told the media yesterday she had made the decision on Tuesday night, when in fact Webb was already in the job, and had been for a month.
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June 18, 2020 7:57pm
- chaos
  
  Exactly, she lied to the country. It’s no wonder Clark is safe, his leader is as bad if not worse than him.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So the lack of oversight about the 2 sisters not being tested happened on Webb’s watch.
  
  What is Ron Mark going to do now?
  Hon Mark Mitchell: Will the Minister now take responsibility for any further breaches now that he has one of his senior New Zealand Defence Force personnel in that role?
  
  Hon RON MARK: I’ll take responsibility for the defence of anything that the Defence Force is engaged in that is my responsibility. Right now that senior officer, highly competent, very professional, who has been seconded into that role since 31 March, whose skill and expertise have been recognised by the Prime Minister, who has expressed such confidence in him in the Defence Force and he has been promoted—yeah, if I want to take responsibility for that, I’ll do so.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20200618_20200618_12. Q9
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:08pm
Jack5

Kiwiblog poster Scott Hamilton’s campaign on the 19th century pirate Bully Hayes, which led to an Akaroa restaurant agreeing to change its name, hasn’t met full public support.

In fact, reports the Christchurch Star, in invited public suggestions for a new name, the leading suggestion is to keep the Bully Hayes name.

“The strongest suggestion that’s in the box, by a the biggest majority, is to keep the name,” restaurant owner Wayne Jones told the Star. “Also by email and Facebook it’s the strongest.”

Jones said he had been sent an article from an official Niuean web site that “actually debunks [the] majority of things people are saying. The majority of those things are not true.”
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June 18, 2020 8:04pm
- Jack5
  
  I meant to add that Jones says in the Star that rebranding the Bully Hayes restaurant is going to cost him $20,000 to $30,000.
  
  He notes that this could not have come at a worse time, given the business effects of Wuhan flu.
  
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  June 18, 2020 8:15pm
SB2

Jack 5 ,

Scott Hamilton responds .

“As a few articles in the media show, I’ve been busy arguing that Akaroa’s Bully Hayes restaurant and Bar should change its name, and was pleased to find today that the establishment’s owner, Wayne Jones, now agrees with me. Jones has rethought the name, and has issued a gracious and generous statement….

…I’ve had a few angry messages from conservative New Zealanders who seem to believe that the Pacific slave trade is a mirage created in recent years by ‘woke academics’. I don’t think the phrase ‘woke academic’ fits John Coleridge Patteson, the first Anglican bishop of Melanesia & the William Wilberforce of the Pacific. Patteson died fighting the slave trade.

Patteson ran the Melanesian mission in Auckland & later Norfolk, where young men were trained in Christianity & various trades. In the 1860s he began hearing terrible stories from them, of ‘catch catch boats’ & stolen villages. Patteson began to write & speak against the slavers.

Thanks to the Anglican church’s Project Canterbury, we can now access some of Patteson’s denunciations of slavery. They make sad reading, with their accounts of canoes run down & their passengers seized, & islanders made to sign contracts they could not read.

Patteson travelled through the Pacific collecting stories of slave raids. Imperial administrators and some his superiors in the Anglican church began to resent his detailed and withering reports.

Patteson was a brilliant linguist, who eventually learned about a dozen Melanesian languages. He became steadily more sympathetic towards the region’s indigenous cultures, & argued against missionaries’ attempts to impose Western dress & manners on them.

In 1870 Patteson was recovering in Auckland from exhaustion when he realised that a schooner called the Lulu, a boat funded by Auckland’s business elite, had arrived with 27 ni-Vanuatu slaves. Patteson began to campaign against the introduction of slavery to NZ. ..’

http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com
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June 18, 2020 9:46pm
Durden

Did anybody hear Wayne Mapp on the radio (RNZ during lunch time news) using the old excuse “I forgot”. About a defense briefing he received ? And he wants us to trust him, that his statements made to reporters that conveniently ignored facts from the (forgotten) briefing were not intentional.

Who believes him?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018757407
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July 31, 2020 3:32pm
Durden

The arrogant Lloyd Jones making snarky noises and excuses for fellow “writer” Boochani. Just in case you did not know, writers are, in the minds of other writers, very special beings in the world.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352667

Boochani lied on his visa application about his intentions and signed it. He should be deported like anyone else who did that would be. Not given refugee status.

“Cases of people seeking political asylum are heard as they arise. There is, however, a quota for refugees” . Boochani got refugee status.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/behrouz-boochani-given-refugee-status-in-new-xealand.html

He did NOT get political asylum. He queue jumped other refugees waiting in line.

Apparently it is ok for some to use tricks and stratagems to support their own type “the wit and generosity of Ngai Tahu to create a research fellowship for him”.

Oh and apparently Mr Jones knows exactly what Judith Collins knows — ” But none of this appears to make a dent for Smith or Collins – the latter leading the media on with innuendo and a wink and a nudge that she has “something” on Boochani. She does not – and grinning into a TV camera does not convince otherwise.”

Its the old elitists’ crap again.
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