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June 19, 2020 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Mike

Happy World Sickle Cell Day!
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June 19, 2020 8:00am
- cmm
  
  Sickle Cell Disease (SCD) is a classic example of the sorts of biological compromises that evolution finds.
  
  SCD is common in Africa. When there is nothing else going on, SCD – like any other disease – is obviously problematic and shortens life expectancy.
  
  However SCD also gives significant protection against malaria which is even more of a problem.
  
  Therefore, if you live in a malaria area then SCD actually gives you a biological win.
  
  Nature is full of these adaptations leading to regional differences in people: disease susceptibility, how tall people are, how fat/skinny, skin colour, intelligence etc etc.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That’s soooo racist. Didn’t you get the memo? all humans are exactly alike and the only thing that creates difference is what you chose to identify as.
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:55am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Be kind. Love Cindy.
      
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      June 19, 2020 9:42am
    - Crisplion
      
      All humans are alike, except that white people are fundamentally and irrevocably evil because they established the most oppressive, racist and exploitative societies in history.
      
      In contrast, before they were colonised by said evil white people, all other ethnic groups lived in perfect, idyllic societies, free of war, oppression and slavery, in which women, homosexuals and outsiders were treated with universal equality and justice.
      
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      June 19, 2020 1:35pm
    - cmm
      
      Urban: Evolution is exactly the reason we have races.
      
      We all evolved differently for different conditions.
      
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      June 19, 2020 6:34pm
- SGA
  
  And, of course, World Albatross Day
  A graphic video of the sort of exploitation these majestic birds face
  https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x43ho5j
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:08am
- MCos
  
  It’s also the birthday of Suzanne Aubert, founder of the Sisters of Compassion.
  They have run a soup kitchen on Tory St, Wellington, for more than a hundred years for those that have fallen on hard times. They stayed open right through the lockdown as numbers increased.
  Last week’s street appeal was cancelled due to the uncertainty of these troubled times so that was a bit of a financial hit.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:15am
  - Paulus
    
    A brand new primary school in Papamoa, Tauranga is about to be started in the name of Sister Suzanne Aubert – opening next year.
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:58am
  - lifesgood
    
    Wonderful people. The world needs more of them and not the shrieking haters over running the place.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:29am
Maggie Pie

GOD i hate this bloody weather!

I’m sooo……. white.
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June 19, 2020 8:01am
- cmm
  
  Have a nice warm bath: https://shop.countdown.co.nz/shop/productdetails?stockcode=332549
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:52am
  - 3-coil
    
    Helpful hint #2: take a jar of pickled onions, have a bubble bath
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:57am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Helpful hint #3: remember to remove butt-plug 😀
      
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      June 19, 2020 3:30pm
- chaos
  
  Get some fake, black tan and put it on
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:00am
Tony Stuart

Mike Hosking, at the end of his opening rant just after 6am this morning:

“We end the week with the health side in tatters, and with the economy in tatters. Conclusion; they couldn’t run a piss- up in a brewery.”

I wonder who he’s talking about…
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June 19, 2020 8:03am
- JackRabbit
  
  “…they couldn’t run a piss- up in a brewery.”
  
  Agreed but corrected:
  
  They couldn’t run a piss- up in a brewery for the general public because:
  (a) The don’t give a continental about the general public, unless there is a photo opp possibility.
  (b) They will have seized all the grog for themselves.
  (c) Will have told you that alcohol is bad for you, and needs to be eliminated, citing that between 600 and 1000 die annually in NZ from alcohol, but we don’t want to be like the USA where 80,000 die annually from alcohol. (actual stats.)
  
  Picture a dozen police cars, several armoured personnel carriers, and local gang guarding said brewery. Local gang all have bottles in their hands.
  
  David Clark is lying stretched out, near comatose, on the lawn outside, next to an empty carton, with empties all around him. And a van so heavily loaded it is low to the ground, departing with a destination of the next young Labour camp.
  
  Bloomfield is preaching on a pulpit how many New Zealanders were caught with alcohol in their homes yesterday, and keeping a running total, with Cindy preaching that the entire country will be in Lock Down until all alcohol has been eradicated.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:17am
  - bartybart
    
    well put sir
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:28am
  - yossarian
    
    “No animal shall drink alcohol… to excess”
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:19am
- G152
  
  It cant be his Cindy who he blesses with each program..
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:18am
- alex Masterley
  
  Can’t be the Australians as they still have an economy.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:20am
  - IC5000
    
    Haha you’re joking right? Clearly you don’t live in Australia.
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:24am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony Garner and Deputy Ruby lips made similar comments and even went as far as to question the good management in “eliminating Covid in NZ”. Suggesting they had good luck instead.
  
  Then the Collins/Jackson spot was a good laugh. Jackson ranted on about “give us time to get the processes right”, this was dismissed that they are meant to have processes right from the out set.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:30am
  - fernglas
    
    Shortcomings in the isolation/quarantine process have been obvious for some time. There were regular reports about mingling between guests at different stages of isolation, poor control of social distancing and lack of tests. These concerns were flatly denied by the MoH and seemed simply to be ignored. Then came the spanking from the High Court, which Bloomfield still insists imposed easing in their compassionate leave regime. It did not, it said that the regime wasn’t even following its own rules and was therefore unlawful. There followed an avalanche of grants of leave, which seem now to have been relatively unconditional and not properly managed. The problem is twofold. The first is a lack of oversight. Bloomfield himself seems chronically ignorant of key facts, and has repeatedly told reporters at news conferences that they will have to wait for information. Coupled with his wilful blindness about the true import of the High Court decision, and the MoH will have had the impression that lax supervision of isolation and leave regimes was acceptable. That failure comes from the top, and has lasted over months, not just appeared in one slip-up. The second aspect is this country’s endemic sloppiness. The “she’ll be right” mentality has pervaded the whole Covid response from the public and in particular the public service. We are where we are today by a combination of weather, geography and good luck. If this virus slips into those communities where obesity, diabetes and other health issues are prevalent, during the winter, it will be disastrous.
    We have the worst of both worlds; a policy of elimination, which will lead to our inevitable isolation, and a culture of incompetence, which will lead to a failure of that policy.
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:11am
- freethinker
  
  Tony – I can think of 62.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:32am
- Simon
  
  Also couldn’t run a piss up at a youth camp without children getting sexually assaulted.
  
  Well connected Labour offender gets some QC to bail them out. This privilege not available to same type offender from Huntly or Kaikohe. This is confused as racism.
  
  Labour are happy to exploit this confusion for their own ends as they know equality is a falsehood which the various Labour party sex offenders are walking proof.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:45am
  - Paulus
    
    The Labour pervert is still to be named – awaiting judicial decision after the election.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:00am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I think it is Mullet Muller.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:43am
Two bob

what gift did the govt give you for lockdown??? Redundancy? Hardship? financial ruin?

Maybe you should have been a criminal and you wouldve got a bunch of your community service hours wiped!!

Seriously what is wrong with this govt why do they punish the good and reward the bad?
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June 19, 2020 8:04am
- alex Masterley
  
  When did they sneak that one through? I was gobsmacked to read that.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:21am
  - Two bob
    
    march 30. guess they snuck that past bridges covid response commitee.
    
    makes you wonder what other slimey stuff they pushed throuhh under the lockdown secrecy
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder who they will vote for?
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:28am
JibberJabber

Why on Earth would anyone want to purchase a candle that smells like the bathroom door on a Tuna Boat?
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1273259685773271040
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June 19, 2020 8:04am
- JackRabbit
  
  You can tell where her mind is. Slightly better than buying a pre-election book with a horse on the cover. 😉
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:24am
artemisia

Thought people might be interested in experience with wage subsidies for our small tradie business.

Revenue fell away to about 20% of normal from start of lockdown for work already done and invoiced. People forget that not only was most on site work not able to be done or billed, but there were preschoolers and primary children to be looked after with ECEs and schools closed.

First 12 weeks paid out in 2 days. Second 6 weeks paid out same day following a promised and on time email saying it is time to apply if conditions met. Assume data matching wasn’t needed second time round if employers had not been reported. Efficiency from MSD. So well done them. They get plenty of bad press, but not this time from us.

Also worth noting that even under level 2 there were extra costs due to distancing, paperwork, sanitation, portaloos, communication with clients.

We will scrape through but only because family financial help is available. Grateful for the wage subsidies though.
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June 19, 2020 8:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’n not so happy with MSD. The second 8 weeks was declined by email to be held over to a later undefined time but the client had already completed the 12 weeks. No email reply or contact was possible and a special phone line has not been responded too. (Running out of other people’s money?)
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:16am
  - artemisia
    
    That’s not so good, Kev. Given the very fast turnaround for the extension can only assume the check MSD did was automated and there was a mismatch somewhere to be investigated.
    
    PS I meant 8 weeks for the extended not 6 weeks.
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:22am
- cmm
  
  Never forget, that was your money before they taxed it off you, but because it was been through the bureaucratic washing machine it shrank: For every $1 you got back you put in $2 and, over the next 25 years of paying back the $140bn debt you will pay back $20.
  
  Being grateful for getting money back is like being thankful when someone pushes you into the river then gives you a hand to pull you out.
  
  Still, good to see it helped you through a tough time.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:20am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Wish the border control was as efficient as the person at MSD dishing out the wage subsidies. Heard of someone who got their second one in less than 24 hours after applying.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:39pm
greenfinger

Let’s all blame it on “the system” the next time we screw big time at work. It was nobody’s fault. The system failed you. What a load of tosh she tried to serve up! More hide and spin games than transparency to me.
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June 19, 2020 8:07am
- Swifty
  
  There is no such thing as “the system.”
  
  The system is purely people and the procedures they follow.
  
  It’s a complete cop out.
  
  Try that excuse in the private sphere and see how far you’ll get….
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Wynston says this morning that it is the system – so that must be right.
    He appears now to be in charge as the other one has gone for cover as she has been told.
    The more people see of her the more upset they become to hear her pontifical lies continually.
    And the women will vote for her again in September.
    “God help us, Everyone” Tiny Tim – – Christmas Carol –
    appropriate time when the shit really hits the fan.
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:42am
  - lifesgood
    
    How many times have you heard “it was a computer error” Um, no, it was the idiot using it.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:34am
- JackRabbit
  
  The whole drama looks like shyte, smells like shyte, and feelz like shyte. Everyone talked crap, and Cindy was not able to flush the facts away, and not able to close the toilet lid to cover it up.
  
  So I think you misheard Cindy. I think she said “Blame it on the cistern.”
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:35am
- cmm
  
  Systems to not spring up in a void. They are designed.
  
  When you design a system you should consider all the characteristics of everything you design into the system – including the people involved.
  
  People are imperfect and erratic and the system should be designed to take that into account. Any system expecting perfect people is poorly designed.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:43am
- 3-coil
  
  greenfinger: don’t be too harsh – this is Labour admitting they are the government, but they still have the trainer wheels on.
  
  ”Admission” of the problem is Step 1 (in the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous), so NZ Labour have begun their journey! Hallelujah!!
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:51am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Labour have begun their journey! Hallelujah!!
    
    At our expense.
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:47am
- backster
  
  The most satisfactory outcomes to enquiries of this nature are achieved when the tea lady finally admits that she was completely to blame for the fiasco..After consideration it is then generally agreed that she is far too valuable an employee to lose and no sanction is necessary.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:11am
krazykiwi

England rugby fans could soon be banned from singing ‘Swing Low, Sweet Chariot’ at international matches because of its origins as an anthem for American slaves.
The Rugby Football Union (RFU) announced on Thursday that it was conducting a review into the ‘historical context’ of the song over concerns it is inappropriate.
A well-placed source said: “One option after consultations is to stop this being sung at matches.”

First they came for Sweet Chariot. Next they came for Waltzing Matilda.
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June 19, 2020 8:14am
- Fletch
  
  Don’t anyone tell them that the melody for ‘Amazing Grace’ is based on a song slaves used to sing…
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:57am
- calendar girl
  
  …. and next they came for “Pōkarekare ana”?
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    They can have it!
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:59am
- 3-coil
  
  krazy: tip of the iceberg!
  
  But let’s clean up our own house first. It is wrong on so many levels for the All Blacks to continue doing their “kamate” haka. It was written by Aotearoa’s greatest slaver of all time Te Rauparaha. NZRU have got to “woke” up and ban this ditty glorifying one of the nation’s ugliest historical characters. Our national representative rugby team performing a war chant composed by a cannibal slaver does not represent us!
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:13am
  - septic skeptic
    
    And what a out the name of the national team and colour of their strip?
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:28am
  - Gravelroad
    
    But, but, Te Rauparaha has got a most impressive memorial statue in Otaki.
    Surely if he was a cannibal slaver that statue should be removed or “cleansed”?
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:15pm
- Two bob
  
  #Banthehakaaswell
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:29am
  - oldfella
    
    No, don’t ban it, but to avoid cultural appropriation, only those All Blacks with proven Maori ancestry should perform it. While this is happening pre-match, any white boys in the team should take a knee as a public apology for being born the wrong colour.
    And of course white spectators in the crowd should sing only the English words in the anthem.
    Not sure if we should restrict Maori spectators to only singing the Maori version. Don’t want to be called a racist.
    Maybe we just ask them to decide their own destiny on this and do whatever they want.
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    We should ban the Maori All Blacks as well. They are a racially selected team and Maoris took slaves as well. Does that count? No, this is NZ after all and we only cherry-pick what is important to us.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:03am
- chaos
  
  Friend in the uk told me last night her local football team has to wear black lives matter on their shorts, which she is pissed off about because they aren’t allowed to wear the “highly political“ poppy on them.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:03am
  - kowtow
    
    Simple answer is any fan to boycott said teams etc.
    
    I know what I’ve decided with all these “woke” , anti western values organisations.
    
    Anti western as they don’t believe in individual rights and freedoms but instead in group racial identity politics and coercive action and we all know where that takes us.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:22am
Tomtoddy

It has all been said of this Government. Incompetent, hopeless, ignorant, inexperienced, juvenile, arrogant and more.

What the last few weeks has revealed to us is that Coalition Ministers have no idea how to handle their departmental relationships and responsibilities.

On the very first day a new Minister gets the one opportunity to establish a professional and effective relationship with their departmental heads. It is a potentially tricky and sometimes utterly unproductive relationship because the incoming Minister is either too inept or too incapable.

What we saw was a Prime Minister so focused on her preening for a sycophantic media that she allowed an unhealthy relationship to develop with a departmental head. It was apparent that she was determined to bump the person who should have been appearing and send him back to Dunedin because he was also too inexpert to handle the job or the relationship. That there was no readiness to handle a pandemic shows us that Clark had not asked the right questions of his department on that fateful day one in the job. He seems utterly out of touch, childishly happy in his ignorance. A totally dysfunctional relationship.

Ardern, by ingratiating herself into all aspects of the Covid19 management, also set herself up for a fall. As they say the higher you go the harder you fall. There is a vast difference between taking responsibility in a crisis and taking over the departmental roles. Having taken the reins off Bloomfield for tasks that were correctly his she must now wear an undue proportion of the responsibility for the department’s miserable failures.

No amount of bluster and cattiness and trying to include us in the “team of 5 million” will excuse her from getting one of the most basic requirements of a Minister wrong. Yes Minister was more a documentary that a comedy. Expect the next series to be filmed here.
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June 19, 2020 8:21am
- alex Masterley
  
  The Prime Minister was fronting everything during Covid lock down. It is only right and proper that she should front when things are going wrong. But she is no-where to be seen.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:33am
  - amospicton
    
    Open, transparent, leadership, kindness. Tui ad anyone???
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:19am
  - Nermal
    
    Old Ministry of Works adage:
    
    “Success has a thousand fathers
    Failure’s an orphan”
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:21pm
- Durden
  
  Didn’t she boast “I have been making Captain’s calls all the way through” during a presser. An honourable Captain would do the hnourable thing. Not blame every other person.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:27am
  - Sacha
    
    Do the honourable thing?
    Like walk the plank?
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:17am
    - lifesgood
      
      Don’t worry she’ll go down with the ship.
      
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      June 19, 2020 11:38am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Ardern ducking for cover now and sending out the henchmen to any of the unpleasant news conferences.
  
  Certainly has egg on her face now in the world media as well for this quarantine balls up being exposed. She shouldn’t have got her PR department to send out so early those advertorial press releases parading as editorial to the likes of Financial times/Guardian/Daily Mail etc.
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:43pm
Tony Stuart

Accountability seems to be a foreign concept to the Ardern-led Government. Even Winston Peters this morning said on Newstalk ZB that the buck for this weeks stuff-ups stops with whoever down the chain made the decisions.

Peters is wrong; he’s been drinking the Ardern “No Witchhunts” Koolaid. They would both do well to reflect on the words of my favourite leadership teacher, John C Maxwell:

A leader can give up anything – except final responsibility.

John C. Maxwell

President Harry S Truman had a motto on his desk; The Buck Stops Here. Our leaders would do well to follow suit.
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June 19, 2020 8:22am
- JackRabbit
  
  “The Horse stops here!”
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:29am
  - Two bob
    
    nah winstons building new fancy tracks so she can keep on running
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:42am
- greybeard
  
  Winston Peters is a narcissistic hypocrite.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:30am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Winston Peters is a narcissistic critter, who needs to recalled to rock he crawled out from.
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:38am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The only one more narcissistic than Peters is Jones, who’s behaviour in Parliament yesterday when his boss was answering questions was nothing short of deplorable.
      
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      June 19, 2020 10:40am
      - oldfella
        
        What did he do?
        
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        June 19, 2020 10:52am
- igm
  
  The only “Buck” these POS know anything about is that of taxpayers. Not one of them has a dollar that has not been derived from either taxpayers/ratepayers/unionists. Not one of them has been successful in private employment, business, or anything of substance . . . they are therefore leeches
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yep, I remember Bill English’s line at National’s official campaign opening in 2017 that New Zealanders don’t want to be an ATM for a Labour government.
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:15am
Maggie Pie

Feeling any safer now that they’ve removed ‘Uncle Ben’s Rice’
from the shelves?
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June 19, 2020 8:29am
- cas
  
  We had some last night just as a statement. I will have to check out our local shops ( rural) to see if the edict has reached here.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:39am
- alex Masterley
  
  I acquired several boxes of Uncle Bens over lock down.
  It is good stuff.
  We have enough to last the next decade i think.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:53am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, and Rice Risotto is not as good as it used to be. They add in all this hard, wild rice in it now as well which is hard to chew…
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:59am
- rockape
  
  Can my nephews and nieces still call me Uncle Tom ?
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:56am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Of course they can. You are their uncle and presumably your name actually is Tom.
    
    I did not previously understand that black Americans used to be called “Uncle this” and “Aunt that” on the grounds that they weren’t worthy of the respect of being addressed as Mr this or Miss/Mrs that in the way that a white person would be addressed.
    
    Now that I have understood that, I agree that the form of address, used to a black person who is not actually the brother or a close friend of your parent’s, is not appropriate and shouldn’t be used these days.
    
    In other words, I have adjusted my thinking in response to new information. What do you do?
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:38am
    - David George
      
      Or, if he existed at all, he could have actually been Uncle Ben, quite likely if there were nieces and nephews.
      I wouldn’t be so quick to “adjust my thinking”, it’s probably some imaginary offence from some dripping wet wokelet.
      
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      June 19, 2020 11:45am
    - Komata
      
      Albert R@1038
      
      Concerning ‘Uncle Tom’; this (although from Wiki) might be of interest in respect of its origins
      
      Likewise, ‘Aunt Jemima’, and again from Wiki.
      
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      June 19, 2020 12:21pm
    - David George
      
      Perhaps, if they changed the image to a European, you’d be able relax. A sort of Colonel Sanders type Uncle Ben; would that be OK.
      Apparently you can get fired for posting “All Lives Matter” and the happy monkey on cocoa pops is pure racist evil so maybe not. The white Uncle Ben stealing the black Uncle Ben’s job could be “problematic”. I don’t know but I’m sure we’ll find out.
      
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      June 19, 2020 12:26pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      It is associated with a book called “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”. Which is not nice.
      
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      June 19, 2020 2:24pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Uncle Ben’s rice is grown in Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas. There is no way it would be banned if it came from China.
  
  What about Chinese “Brown” Rice and “Black” rice?
  
  Should Labour be banned from using Red in its branding. After all Red is a colour associated with communism and oppression.
  
  To paraphrase Billy Connolly, are we looking forward to a beige future?
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:57am
  - oldfella
    
    Red also describes the skin colour of American Indians, or First Nations, or whatever the current descriptions is.
    So for someone to appropriate that colour for anything else is … racist, racist, I say! Stop now, grovel, and apologise on bended knee!
    (See, this game can be played by anyone.
    Fun, eh?!)
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:35am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The people are called American Indians.
      
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      June 20, 2020 12:46am
  - IC5000
    
    I had a look on the back of my packet which is one one of those 90 second microwave flavoured ones and it said made in the Uk. Really bizarre.
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:36am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I hope you were taking it from the cupboard to throw in the bin. Vile concoction – par-boiled rice in handy sachets.
      
      Get a kilogram of basmati, jasmine, wild or brown rice, whatever you prefer. Costs a couple of bucks tops.
      
      Rinse a cup-full first, then boil for exactly 10 minutes, strain and leave to steam under the lid for a few minutes, then fluff up with a fork before serving. Magnificent it is, and costs next to nothing. You stay up all night cooking rice, a bloke comes round in the morning and gives you a fiver.
      
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      June 20, 2020 12:51am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Should Labour be banned from using Red in its branding. After all Red is a colour associated with communism and oppression.”
    
    Red is also the colour used to describe North American Indians. It’s definitely offensive.
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:43am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Next they will want to eradicate “Indian” motorcycles, because “riding an Indian” suggests racism and slavery.
      
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      June 19, 2020 10:52am
- Inandout
  
  I understand the SJW are scanning supermarket shelves and trawling the internet for any hint of ‘racism’ in a product name. Could one company just stand their ground instead of crumbling?
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:12am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “Could one company just stand their ground instead of crumbling.”
    
    You mean like a bread company with crumbly loafs?
    Nah man, if you call it a loaf you insult the unemployed who are too lazy to work and just “loaf” around.
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:32pm
oldpark

There we go . “Miss Auntie Cindy Ardern” control freak and too sweet to be wholesome who not so long ago had the “Trust” of Five Million NZs virtually in the palm of her hand over the handling of the Coronavirus Lockdown . Even though a bit late and massive destruction to NZs economy turning it into ashes and destroying many jobs and businesses.NZs give her a fair go.Sadly not mutual .
It has always been a matter of “Trust” for the Five Million NZs. Once they heard about the Coronavirus Quarantine fiasco “Trust” in Miss Auntie Cindy Ardern control freak took a huge hit .
She according to her the breach of the Coronavirus Quarantine was the “System” . Blaming the “System” as one very astute person said on his morning show . She is the “System” hook line and sinker .
Yes the Five Million NZs realised they had believed too long after they heard lie after lie on the attempt by Miss Auntie Cindy Ardern control freak to explain away the complete incompetence of the virus testing rules with her in charge of the Coronavirus Quarantine, confidence and “Trust” in her by the stated Five Million NZs has almost overnight evaporated. Yes the General Election is on September 19 2020 .
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June 19, 2020 8:34am
I remember when

Labour “We are not responsible!”
NZ First “We are not responsible”
Greens “We are not responsible”
And the cock crowed for a third time
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June 19, 2020 8:38am
greenfinger

Geeweez! Did Winnie not get the memo from the Princess? Everyone did their job. The SYSTEM DIDN’T DO IT JOB. It’s on the scrip, Winnie.
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June 19, 2020 8:43am
- 3-coil
  
  Taihoa greenfinger! You are too impatient.
  
  We don’t quite have the “gold standard” system yet, but we have now achieved the “David Clark standard” system so we can celebrate small milestones on our journey. Edit: I’m not sure where the “Saint Jacinda standard” system sits in the hierarchy, but I’m sure we’ll be there before the election.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:28am
Maggie Pie

There’s a girl at work i’ve always felt a bit sorry for. A really hard worker and knows her stuff. She’s got three kids under 7 at home and hooked up with some bludging loser that’s been on a sickness benefit since the day they met.
She describes Jacinda “….as being like a lioness that protects her pride”

Go figure.
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June 19, 2020 8:47am
- cmm
  
  Yeah just like “we are not responsible” Ardern, I suppose she’s not responsible for her fertility and sex partner choices either.
  
  I can feel my wallet getting lighter so I suppose it must be my fault.
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:58am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “It wasn’t my fault. My emotions made me do it.”
    
    Just like hardened crims that deny responsibility for a burglary, claiming “my hands did it”.
    
    Or the lady that bludgeoned her husband to death with a rolling pin. “Your honour, it was accidental. I was cleaning my rolling pin and it accidentally went off.”
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  MP, she supposedly has a brain, and as I have heard all my life time, ‘you make your bed, you lie in it’.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear…
  
  What happens to older lion cubs when Mummy lion gets a new litter?
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:24am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    They’ll get physically and mentally damaged because in that new ‘partner’s’ mind they are SOCKs. Such a sadly familiar outcome.
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:37am
    - Pharmachick
      
      I believe that Cactus coined that one … it’s apt.
      
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      June 19, 2020 2:59pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  No sympathy for this loser. She deserves it.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:47am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Lionesses aren’t very good at protecting their prides. When the old males are replaced (as happens every few years) the cubs are all killed by the new males
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:18am
  - Batman
    
    Aren’t the males around 30% bigger than the females?
    
    I dunno if I’d win a fighter with someone 30% bigger than me…
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:32am
Yvette

Newshub has learned Air Commodore Darryn ‘Digby’ Webb, who was recently appointed to manage the border, isn’t so new after all. […]
Therefore Webb was already in charge when the two women with COVID-19 were allowed to leave quarantine under a compassionate exemption.

Ardern, growing up as a Mormon, and also through observation since, should know that a mistruth or lie often is not so much as what you wrongly tell someone but equally wrongly do not tell them.
The above is an example.

Another example is the Opening address to United Nations Climate Action Summit, 24 September, 2019 –
Ardern : We aim to plant one billion trees by 2028 – 150 million are already in the ground.

In fact 149.39 million trees were planted in the period Ardern referred to, so close.

But only 24.68 million were Shane Jones / Government funded, the rest being Forestry New Zealand – so 124.7 million were Forestry planted – and with a 95% replanting rate (from Cabinet papers) – that means Forestry harvested (cut down) 131.28 million trees elsewhere on their land, leaving 18.11 million of the near 150 million Ardern claimed to the United Nations. So reducing Shane’s miserable total of 24.68 million, by 6.57 million.

One needs to be aware Ardern seems to be untruthful – not only in some things she says, but also by what she doesn’t.
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June 19, 2020 8:53am
- JackRabbit
  
  “…should know” is water off a ducks back to her.
  
  She rejected the whole Mormon thing because it conflicted with her feelings about Socialism and LGTBQIX.
  
  In fact she rejects anything that requires her to be accountable to a higher power or authority, or in fact accountability of any kind.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:39am
  - Akarak
    
    LGTBQIX. Sounds like a new cereal from Sanitarium.
    
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    June 19, 2020 5:17pm
rockape

There is a World of difference between wanting something to be done, or wishing something will get done, and giving orders to ensure it is done and done to the standard you want. Maybe that’s why the PM has brought the Airforce in. They understand such things , slack arsed ministers don’t.
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June 19, 2020 8:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  This bunch of slack arsed ministers don’t.
  There fixed it.
  or, looking back
  Labour govt. slack arsed ministers don’t.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:01am
kwkiwigirl

Stuff finally opened up a Covid article for commenting last night. Wonder why, they aren’t opening up many articles these days for commenting.

Anyway the comments are 90% anger at Cindy and the team for royally screwing everyone over with the porous border and the platitudes she’s been serving up the NZ public over what a good job her side of the bargain is doing. Nb this article has been rapidly moved off the headlines page. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121877847/the-law-is-clear-border-testing-is-enforceable-so-why-did-new-zealands-quarantine-system-break-down#comments
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June 19, 2020 8:59am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Some sheeple are trying to pin it on Bishop and Woodhouse.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:51am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I haven’t done a scientific count, but I am afraid I did not get the impression that 90% of the comments were anger at the Government. A high proportion defend Cindy on the grounds that it wasn’t her fault but the officials’, or harp on about Chris Bishop or National’s call to open the borders. It made for depressing reading I thought
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:24am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Stuff must have a way of selectively moderating the comments and slanting them one way or the other. Last night the first hundred comments were definitely spewing about Cindy. Then they closed the comments at 100 odd comments. And somehow this morning the comment count is up to 150 with more pro Cindy comments.
    
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    June 19, 2020 2:08pm
I remember when

CFovid-19 border botch not a “witch hunt’ PM Jacinda Ardern says.
If the peaked hat fits wear it!
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June 19, 2020 9:00am
kwkiwigirl

Noticed aussie have pulled back on their keenness to open borders with NZ. Reports coming out from officials Over there that it could be next year now. They probably had second thoughts with the revelations of the keystone cops we have on border patrol here and thought ‘thank goodness we found out about’. As the NZ public are finding out.
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June 19, 2020 9:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I just think logistically it is too hard this year. The states are still at loggerheads.
  
  Canberra airport is lobbying for flights between Wellington and Canberra. Never going to happen. Some people would use them as a last resort but not enough to make them profitable. Because after arriving in Canberra you need to get where you want to go, which in 99% of passengers is not Canberra. So that means more flights and more expense. A “bubble” is only going to work if it is (minimum) Sydney and Melbourne to Auckland.
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:37am
  - cmm
    
    Wellington to Canberra is designed for bureaucrats.
    
    Why can’t they just use Skype and Zoom?
    
    I’m currently doing a workshop on using some new electronic components. Just a few clicks and we’re going. No need to fly halfway around the world, book and pay for hotels and spend two days travelling.
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:10am
  - SGA
    
    They probably had second thoughts with the revelations of the keystone cops we have on border patrol here and thought ‘thank goodness we found out about
    
    As Ben Yu points out, it probably has much more to do with the problems and arguments that they are having opening their own state borders at the moment.
    Just for comparison, Aus has had 100+ new cases in the last week, so they aren’t going to be getting too holier than thou.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:13am
Fletch

Awful to see the story about the cop being prosecuted for the murder of Brooks last night. The story (from the U.S) basically had the Prosecutor putting his case via the media with a board of talking points, video, etc, with no chance of a defence. The whole case should be thrown out.

Not even mentioned was the fact that Brooks was on probation for 4 crimes including cruelty to children, and that he probably would have gone back to jail if arrested. Or the fact that the cops tried to resuscitate Brooks via CPR and can be heard on video saying, “come on Mr Brooks, breathe!”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431801/Rayshard-Brooks-probation-faced-going-prison-charged-DUI.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8429013/Fired-officer-shot-Rayshard-Brooks-dead-begged-father-four-stay-alive-gave-CPR.html

As it is, it was trial-via-media…
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June 19, 2020 9:02am
- Albert_Ross
  
  The charges against Brooks are not relevant. No amount of criminal wrongdoing, no matter how vile, makes it all right for a policeman to kill anybody.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:27am
  - Jules99
    
    Not relevant in a court of law but relevant in the court of media which presents him as an innocent man going about his business, murdered by a cop for no reason at all.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:09am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Your implication is that there exist circumstances in which it is all right for cops to murder people. There do not.
      
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      June 19, 2020 11:49am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Of course they shouldn’t “murder” people, in this case it’s pretty clear that they did not and were quite within their rights to open fire.
        
        Stop heaping up straw men to defend, you are being misleading at best.
        
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        June 19, 2020 9:17pm
    - Fletch
      
      WHat do you mean, no reason at all? They guy pummeled the cops to the ground, stole a taser, tried to use it on them. What is hypocritical is the the prosecutor is saying that Brooks “never presented himself as a threat” and “never displayed any aggressive behavior”, yet two weeks ago referred to a taser as a “deadly weapon under Georgia law”.
      
      https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1273378926744739842
      
      I guess it all depends on the circumstances, which liberals use an excuse to suit themselves.
      
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      June 19, 2020 12:55pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      But the fact that he assaulted the officers physically, stole their Taser and used it, twice, at the officers are extremely relevant. He even described the Taser as a deadly weapon in a recent pronouncement. So he’s going to have a problem alleging that firing a deadly weapon (his words) at police does not justify self defence.
      
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      June 19, 2020 9:14pm
  - calendar girl
    
    In self-defence, as a last option?
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:13am
  - Nickc2
    
    Tell that story to white cops who put their lives on the line each day to protect others (black, white and whatever).
    There is always a sob story about some black criminal being killed by a white cop and the criminal’s wife, children and others things are the subject of the sob brigade media.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:12pm
  - Nermal
    
    Self defence?
    
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    June 19, 2020 8:28pm
- secondcumming
  
  Watched a few minutes of that sickly woke liberal *Chris Cuomo* on CNN last night. He asked whether shooting victim *Rayshard Brooks* deserved to die?
  
  Given the guys criminal rap sheet, surely the better question to ask was, *Did he deserve to live* 😎
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Cuomo also posed a question as to why should the protesters remain “peaceful” . No shit.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:35am
  - Ed Snack
    
    It’s not the “rap sheet”, it’s that he made the awful mistake of assaulting the two officers and firing a deadly weapon at them. That’s what got him shot.
    
    Of course he didn’t want to go along with them as being drunk in a car would be a probation violation and he would have been recalled to prison. That was another mistake, and at some point, it has to be said that he was the author of his own misfortune.
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:25pm
- Two bob
  
  Scary times for those cops when politics and mob justice are most likely going to determine your outcome.
  
  in that state tasers are listed as a deadly weapon and the dude fired the cops own weapon at him. imo thats justification for his response.
  
  the guy that died was literaly 1 or 2 seconds away from not dying had he let the officers finish cuffing him, he made his choice and paid for it with his life.
  
  who would want to be a cop, this will likely cause more police incidents as good cops wont risk murder charges and backlash for doing their job and just quit leaving only undesirables the only ones willing to be cops.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:33am
- Batman
  
  As usual Fletch, you conveniently forget to mention the facts of the shooting, in order to portray the man as a criminal and somehow deserving of being murdered.
  
  At the time the shots were fired, he was 18 feet away and was shot in the back.
  
  The taser he grabbed was empty and therefore useless, something the officer would have known.
  
  When shooting Brooks in the back, the officer said “I got him”.
  
  After we was shot, they didn’t administer medical assistance for 2m30s or so. During that time, the officer kicked Brooks while he was on the ground.
  
  Regardless of Brooks’ background, this was police brutality and murder. How can the police be credible in the community and defendable by the right when they keep doing dumb shit like this?
  
  Unless of course, the person defending it is the type who considers the murder of Black folks by Police to be acceptable.
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:17am
  - [moderated]
    
    As usual Fletch, you conveniently forget to mention the facts of the shooting…
    
    Watch the video, some of your self-righteous BS will quickly evaporate.
    
    Regardless of Brooks’ background, this was police brutality and murder.
    
    Who needs the judicial system when we have Batman, the moderator, to judge everyone and everything.
    
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    June 19, 2020 2:10pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Bull, watch the video, he turns and fires at the cop pursuing him after he has already assaulted and fired the taser. And it doesn’t matter if they Taser was “empty” he presented a deadly weapon to a police officer and made as if to fire it.
    
    Under those conditions the police officer is perfectly justified in firing, and despite being charged – which is being done by a racist piece of shit of a DA – the officer has a slam dunk defence.
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:28pm
    - Batman
      
      Well the attorney general and the courts will determine that..
      
      You can hold onto your racially fuelled view of you want to.
      
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      June 20, 2020 12:19am
- kowtow
  
  It’s also trial by Democrat . This is a political trial and charges would never have been brought against those two cops except for the death of G Floydd.
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:19pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The guy bringing the murder charge is a black guy who just happens to be running for office. A convenient death?
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:05pm
    - Two bob
      
      not just running for office but fighting to stay, hes unpopular and unlikely to get elected and now… cue the mob popularity if he gives them what they want.
      
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      June 19, 2020 4:53pm
- Nermal
  
  This is what happens when prosecutors are elected politicians
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The ones doing the accusing are the ones doing the doing
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June 19, 2020 9:09am
Miritu

Big Tech censorship moving to next level. “First they came for…….”. Andrew Torba puts this across well in latest newsletter:
https://news.gab.com/2020/06/18/big-tech-tyranny-is-here/
Melanie Phillips on the culture war against the West:
https://www.melaniephillips.com/unmistakeable-echoes-culture-war-west/
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June 19, 2020 9:09am
Fletch

It’s funny how Nancy Pelosi is pushing to have Confederate statues removed on Capitol Hill, when the Confederates were all Democrats who started the Civil War because they refused to give up their slaves. Also ironic in that Pelosi’s father oversaw the dedication of the Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee Monument while serving as Baltimore’s mayor in 1948.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/11/nancy-pelosi-silent-on-own-father-who-oversaw-dedication-of-confederate-statue/
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June 19, 2020 9:11am
- IC5000
  
  It’s funny how political parties can change over the course of 170 years isn’t it.
  
  Look at how one of the National party’s principles was to oppose communism now they’re in bed with the chicoms and think nothing of having an MP who was a member of its intelligence apparatus and lied about it.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:41am
  - Mike
    
    I always chuckle at the Democrats=Confederates line.
    What happened when the Democratic Party embraced civil rights in the 1960s? Well, some democratic senators were so upset that they became republicans!
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:17am
    - Fletch
      
      Mike, I will tell you what happened. When the Civil Rights bill came up in 1964, Democrats filibustered it for 57 days until it was watered down some. And the Democrat senators who became Republican after 1964? A grand total of three – Thurmond, Helms, and Godwin. The rest remained Democrat for life.
      But yes, more are switching these days, like Elbert Lee Guillory, because they can see how racist and bad the Democrats really are.
      
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      June 19, 2020 1:11pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Tell me Mike, was the Majority of electors voting for the 1960’s civil rights Act Republican or Democrat ?
      
      The act of trying to pretend that the KKK and the Jim Crow laws weren’t the invention of the Democrats always makes me laugh.
      
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      June 19, 2020 9:51pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    IC
    I upticked you!
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:50pm
    - IC5000
      
      Just don’t make it a habit.
      
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      June 19, 2020 2:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So did I. What is the matter with me?
      
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      June 19, 2020 5:36pm
      - IC5000
        
        You’re sober that’s why. Best nip down to the bottle shop for a medicinal single malt to remedy the situation.
        
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        June 19, 2020 6:05pm
- Batman
  
  Even weirder that the Democrats did civil rights legislation and that made all the racists sad.
  
  The Republicans needed a new voter base in order to win post-60s and so they courted those voters via the Southern Strategy.
  
  So who’s got all the racist Confederate losers (because they did lose) now? Oh why it’s the Grand Old Party, which has abandoned Lincoln.
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:21am
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, Civil Rights bill of 1964 was passed by a Democrat president, but only after being filibustered by Democrats for 57 days, and it passed due to the intervention of Republican Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen who was the hero of the day.
    
    On this day in 1964, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), the Republican Leader in the U.S. Senate, condemned the Democrats’ 57-day filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Leading the Democrats in their opposition to civil rights for African-Americans was Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV). Byrd, who got into politics as a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan, spoke against the bill for fourteen straight hours. Democrats still call Robert Byrd “the conscience of the Senate.”
    
    In his speech, Senator Dirksen called on the Democrats to end their filibuster and accept racial equality.
    
    For the full details of the Dems racist history, check out the book Wrong On Race, by Bruce Bartlett, which details everything they did, laws they imposed to put roadblocks in the way of African Americans the whole way.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:18pm
    - Batman
      
      That’s exactly what I was alluding to, the dixie-crats as they were known, were against it and then left the Democratic party. The Republican party welcomed them and their voters in order to win elections.
      
      To pretend as if the modern democratic party is the racist option is just your usual bad faith and disingenuous argument.
      
      Clearly you’re a bit touchy about all the racists being Republicans these days. Harden up, Fletch old boy.
      
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      June 19, 2020 1:48pm
      - Fletch
        
        Batman, as I said above – all but 3 of the Dixiecrats went back to the Democrat party and stayed there for life. And most of their seats remained Democrat for decades. When people talk about the Democrats “switching parties” it’s funny how they can’t name any (apart from those 3 – Thurmond, Helms, and Godwin).
        
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        June 19, 2020 1:51pm
      - Mike
        
        Cool Fletch. Now explain how the ‘southern strategy’ was not at all racist.
        
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        June 19, 2020 2:21pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Bit of an inversion there Batman, the real racists are the Democrats. Have you listened to Biden lately (if you can make out what he’s saying that is).
        
        Democrats practise that old strategy, keep them poor, keep them dumb, and keep them on the reservation with glee. And then label as “Uncle Tom” or whatever anyone black who wants to actually think for themselves.
        
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        June 19, 2020 9:54pm
      - Batman
        
        Haha sure thing Ed, you keep plugging that view that gets the GOP 4% or so of the African American vote.
        
        Meanwhile, other people are talking about the positive, and it gets them 12% ahead….
        
        https://youtu.be/s-OXgFlV2CE
        
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        June 20, 2020 12:18am
Maggie Pie

Has anyone seen Ashley Bloomfield without his glasses?

Asking for a friend.
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June 19, 2020 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  MP, Kat on the ‘Gutfeld Show’ once took her glasses off and I understood why she keeps them on. In her case they made her look sexy…..
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:17am
- JackRabbit
  
  Glasses or not, it won’t fix his Myopic attitude or that of the Labour party.
  
  “Myopic is an adjective meaning shortsighted in every sense. Whether you need glasses or a new attitude, if you can’t see the forest for the trees, you’re myopic.
  
  Myopic began as a description of the condition that made people squint and was easily cured with a pair of pink cat-eye glasses, but it came to include people or plans with a lack of foresight.
  
  Although it’s good to live in the moment, it’s not a compliment to be called myopic — a myopic party host might have festive decorations but no food for hungry guests, and myopic students have no interest in anything beyond what’s on the test. ”
  
  Or plans to eradicate Covid-19 but no plans to rescue the economic fallout of lock down.
  
  Or no interest in anything beyond themselves or the next election!
  
  https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/myopic
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:23am
- Fletch
  
  https://edc2.healthtap.com/ht-staging/user_answer/reference_image/4633/large/Cross_eyed.jpeg
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:36am
- Scooter
  
  No but he looks like he can do with a good feed. Him and JA suit each other.
  
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  June 19, 2020 6:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Everyone sleeping easy at night now that Ron Mark is in charge of the system?
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June 19, 2020 9:21am
- JackRabbit
  
  If it includes placing Cindy and Co under house arrest until their stinking thinking and communist attitudes and plans are eradicated, I’ll sleep like a baby.
  
  There is a veil of “nothing to look forward to” sweeping the country among older people. We are still in mental lock down since the crazy clowns took control. We need to take back the night!
  
  from 2016: “US sociologist Robert Bartholomew, who is teaching in New Zealand, told lehighvalleylive.com he believed the surge of phantom clown sightings was a reflection of the fears and uncertainties in American society. “I think they are part of a greater moral panic about the fear of strangers in an increasingly urban, impersonal and unpredictable world. Phantom clowns are essentially the bogeyman in a different cultural guise.””
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/16/clowns-scary-black-lives-matter-arizona-halloween
  
  Cindy is a symbol of all that is wrong with the world. Just like Hitler, she is made possible and given emotional power by what has bubbled up from our collective unconscious. Which is why she, like Hitler, has an enormous Ego.
  
  Vote her out!
  
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  June 19, 2020 9:32am
Left Right and Centre

Labour are letting in covid-19 via Auckland airport.
Which one is the bigger threat to NZ?
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June 19, 2020 9:25am
Durden

With the new case of the Pakistani guy following on from the two UK travelers, it seems obvious and sensible to modify the quarantine and testing requirements for people arriving into NZ.

It should be mandatory to have a Covid test BEFORE getting on a plane at start of journey. Travel allowed only if result negative. That way all the co-passengers on various flights en-route can also be protected. This of course means that NZ must also offer testing for people wanting to travel outwards. Simple logic to put checks at the top of the cliff rather than ambulances at the bottom.

Added benefit is contact tracing requirements become a bit less onerous when weird cases that slip that check cases are found.

That should not still stop the testing two times, on the day 3 and day 12 day, during quarantine after arrival in NZ. And unlike now, where it is apparently optional, these two tests must be MANDATORY.

What all this means is that our strategy of elimination requires lockdown for a long time. until vaccine is found.

This has serious consequences for the recovery of the economy which will remain seriously constrained for a while yet.
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June 19, 2020 9:33am
- MCos
  
  I think all the testing should be done here where we can call to account anyone who doesn’t perform up to standard.
  I once or twice went to a doctor in Bangkok who, with no examination whatsoever, gave me a signed certification that I was free of a list of tropical diseases.
  Another times my wife was given a form to be filled in and a list of acceptable hospitals. After she had her check up and the form had been signed and stamped we found several pages of questions remained incomplete so I did it myself.
  My point is you can require people to take tests, but an infected people in certain countries can shop around until they find someone who will sign on the dotted line for a few bob. Then NZ is potentially even worse off.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:07am
  - Durden
    
    Read my comment again. NZ still continues to require quarantine and two tests. Testing at origin just might reduce the burden of contact tracing having to account for co-travellers on various legs of journey.
    
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    June 19, 2020 2:06pm
Fletch

It looks alike a public wedding anniversary party was held in one of the Auckland quarantine hotels in the room that quarantined guests used to exercise in. No one knew, of course…..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/public-wedding-party-allowed-at-auckland-quarantine-hotel.html
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June 19, 2020 9:34am
- chaos
  
  The worst one to me is the person given an exemption from isolation to go and visit a family member in the Christchurch cardiac ward, thank god the patient informed staff before it could take place. Obviously the health department are being run by the monkey on the coco pops.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:09am
Happychappy

Not very often that we have woman pointing out Jacindas faults and even stranger before a upcoming Election.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/2020/06/19/1238761/can-ardern-dance-her-way-to-a-second-term.
I wonder if even the females of NZ have paused to look at what she does and are now thinking that theres more to Politics than photo shoots, school children and kindness, especially now that peoples livelyhood and investments like housing are on the line.
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June 19, 2020 9:37am
- Sacha
  
  @ Happychappy: Us old girls know all about soft-soaping, and we don’t fall for all that loving kindness stuff. Life can be tough, in both big and small ways, but we have weathered the years.
  A friend calls her ‘PM Cindy-doll’ – a colourless copy of PM Helen-Barbie-doll. I could see her point.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:39am
chukar

Don’t know if any of you bothered with the third reading of the new arms legislation?

But for those who didn’t,National and Act did well,in particular Nick Smith and David Seymour.

Golriz Ghahraman and Ron Mark were appalling.They deserve each other.

Marks nauseous view apparently was that it can be all tidied up next year in the proposed review. Hopefully he won’t be there to do it.
GG appeared to think all gun owners were suspect
Most of us support keeping guns off Dominion Road
or Willis street but know they are actually needed in the Tararuas or Rakaia river.
The big losers are the innocent gun owners, sportspeople and a free NZ

The winners are the predators identified in predator free NZ, plus those who don’t obey the law anyway.

Oh and if all this makes you depressed, don’t admit it because they will get your doctor to nark on you. Then take your guns.
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June 19, 2020 9:39am
- Swifty
  
  Yes, among many other things this Labour government has forced a fundamental change to my relationship with my GP and any other health agency or provider.
  
  A great pity as I’ve got an excellent relationship with my current GP and have done for some years.
  
  I am in my middle years and I know myself. The chances of me using a firearm to run amok or maliciously hurt others is NIL.
  
  Other people don’t and can’t know this though. Indeed, as we’ve repeatedly seen many on the left see all NZ firearms owners as mass-killers in waiting and hunters as savage animal-killing sub-human brutes, and who’s freedoms must be curtailed or preferably eliminated.
  
  As a result I will in no case provide to any clinician or anyone else any information that could be used subsequently by any bureaucrat, police officer or politician to take away my liberty and freedom to pursue my chosen recreation and a cultural custom my forebears have pursued for hundreds of years, and especially where their doing so would be as a result of THEIR hangups and prejudices not mine.
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:21am
  - Two bob
    
    +1
    The 1 that catches most out tho is the unexpected divorce/breakup, many good men have lost their favourite firearms because of a spitefull ex.
    
    its appalling the treatment FAL holders have been given over the last 18mnths. at least the public have settled down, when the hysteria was full swing any hunter was looked upon as a white supremacist madman that was gunna kill everyone.
    
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    June 19, 2020 5:04pm
rangitoto

Keep your vitamin D levels up to scratch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339351/Vitamin-D-deficiency-risk-factor-severe-COVID-19-men-study-finds.html

“Nearly 99 per cent of Covid-19 patients who are vitamin D deficient die, according to a terrifying study in Indonesia published overnight”
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June 19, 2020 9:45am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  People are also less likely to get covid if o negative blood group, have thalassemia or live in the Andes/Nepal ?
  
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  June 19, 2020 4:49pm
- Two bob
  
  Guys get into it and tell the missus avoid covid and have daily dose of vitamin D…
  
  dont think mine will fall for it 🙁
  
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  June 19, 2020 5:07pm
Mike

It’s not been a good week for the US president.
Two supreme court decision come down in favour of LGBTQ rights and protections for child migrants.
Excerpts from Bolton’s book show more amusing examples of the president sucking up to foreign dictators and his appalling ignorance.
And now Facebook has the temerity to take down some Trump campaign ads, just for using Nazi symbols.
Sad!
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June 19, 2020 9:58am
- IC5000
  
  Haven’t read it but revelations that he asked the Chinese communists to help him get re-elected are interesting. Hopefully DPF will do a specific post so I can see how Trumpists rationalise this treason.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:46am
  - Mike
    
    They’ll just keep pretending Trump is “tough on China”…
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:20am
    - Batman
      
      Except in private where Trump reportedly told Xi, “I miss you”
      
      Very tough and manly. I bet he says all the best words to his buddy Vlad.
      
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      June 19, 2020 11:31am
      - Mike
        
        TWXS
        
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        June 19, 2020 11:41am
      - Ed Snack
        
        God, you still on that conspiracy theory ? Refreshed your tinfoil hat lately. And why would Xi want to support Trump, he’s got Biden and his family in his pocket, why would he want to support someone who is pretty well opposed to everything Xi wants to do ?
        
        Same goes for Putin as well, he would have been far better off with Clinton as POTUS, he knows she can be bought and quite cheaply; and would also strengthen Russia economically by opposing US fracking thus boosting the number one source of Russian government income, the oils and gas industry in Russia.
        
        And would you believe Bolton, really, I mean REALLY ?
        
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        June 19, 2020 10:07pm
      - Batman
        
        Hahaha damn, Ed, you really go the extra mile. Admirable if it wasn’t so pathetic.
        
        Putin hates Clinton. Why? Because she played him like a drum.
        
        Putin likes Trump. Xi likes Trump. Un likes Trump. Why? Because they know how to play him like a drum.
        
        If Bolton’s book is rubbish, why is he being sued for classification?
        
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        June 20, 2020 12:14am
  - Two bob
    
    if it was true and had any substance the dems would have him impeached.
    
    they couldnt even sucessfully impeach even when they made up the evidence themselves to use against trump and now its backfired on the dems big time… dont know how you think a few ramblings in a bitter rivals book would fare any better.
    
    the accusations are nothing more then a smear campaign and selling point.
    
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    June 19, 2020 5:13pm
- Batman
  
  Even worse news this morning, Mike, his former favourite outlet says he’s losing by 12.
  
  National GE:
  Biden 50% (+12)
  Trump 38%
  
  FoxNews 6/13-16
  https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1273744683886411787?s=19
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:23am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Looking at Page 14 of your link it provides the Polling spread
    Which is:
    Democrat 47
    Republican 41
    Independent 13
    
    Yet in the 2016 Election the result was about R/33, D/32, I/35.
    
    So this Poll, and many many others, is not representative of the spread in the Ultimate Poll, the 2016 Election.
    You see this a lot.
    But hey, such disengenuous practice certainly fools the morons amongst us
    Hahahahahahaha
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:30pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh and on Boltons book.
      Here’s the review from the New York Times
      “The book is bloated with self-importance….exceedingly tedious and slightly unhinged…..wonkishness and warmongering can make him seem like an unlikely hybrid of Ned Flanders and Yosemite Sam”
      Lol
      
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      June 19, 2020 12:37pm
      - Mike
        
        No one is pretending that Bolton is some kind of free-speech hero, or that his own fervent political desires (bombing Iran and North Korea) are great ideas.
        This is just additional material to the many accounts of administration insiders (Tillerson, Mattis, Spencer, McMaster, Cohn, etc) that demonstrate Trump’s mendacity, stupidity, ignorance and malevolence.
        
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        June 19, 2020 12:50pm
      - IC5000
        
        Bolton is an insane warmonger however he’s not in the business of appeasing the enemies of the US to try and get re-elected.
        
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        June 19, 2020 1:49pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Bolton might be a blowhard. All signs point that way.
        
        But Bolton is not a liar. No one who knows him says he’s lying. No one he’s quoted in the book has denied what they’re alleged to have said.
        
        Trump’s Chief of Staff, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defence and now National Security Advisor have all said he’s unqualified, out of his depth, inept, a danger to America. But hey, he riles up liberals so that’s enough eh Red?
        
        Or at least it is enough if you live in St Petersburg (and I don’t mean Florida).
        
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        June 19, 2020 2:14pm
      - virtualmark
        
        While we’re on comparisons with Simpsons characters … Trump is basically a more orange version of Grandpa Simpson.
        
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        June 19, 2020 2:33pm
      - Mike
        
        That is very unfair to Abe Simpson. He actually served during wartime, and doesn’t always appear to be senile.
        
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        June 19, 2020 3:00pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Bolton made a point of saying he’d lie in order to promote what he wanted. He’s one of the least honest people in DC, and boy does he have some tough competition.
        
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        June 19, 2020 10:10pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      The 2016 election is history, AoR.
      
      Can you prove the spread in respect of the 2016 election result was D 32/R 33/I 35? (You are essentially saying that 35% of all voters at the 2016 election were registered Independents.)
      
      As I understand it, the D 47/R 41/I 13 spread is supposed to approximate the numbers of actual registered voters, nationally. (It is well known that more registered voters identify as Democrats than as Republicans.)
      
      That is why the average spread for the 12 Fox News polls on page 14 is D 47.4/R 40.9/I 11.8. There is nothing “disingenuous” about the practice at all.
      
      You are also essentially saying that all Fox News polls are biased in favour of the Democrats!
      
      It seems to me you appear to be finding it increasingly difficult to convince anyone that Trump will be re-elected.
      
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      June 19, 2020 6:09pm
- Jimmy White
  
  Not Nazi but Antifa symbols. The Red Triangle is not in the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Hate Symbols Database. Get your facts right Mikey.
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:05pm
  - Batman
    
    True, but it’s a pretty specific and subtle hint to part of the base. Even their evidence of it being an Antifa symbol is one guy making t-shirts in Spain… Which isn’t exactly a rock solid foundation to lean on.
    
    Remember, not all Trump supporters are Nazis, but all of the Nazis are Trump supporters.
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:13pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Wrong, Nazi’s a small, very small part of the US political makeup, and most of them are Democrats, as they follow the old anti-Semitic tropes more than anything else. And that’s core Democrat thinking.
      
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      June 19, 2020 10:11pm
      - Batman
        
        Righto, so the fact that 88 ads were placed is totally coincidence right?
        
        “What a detail: someone bought 88 ads with that Nazi symbol. The number is a neo-Nazi symbol for “HH” or “heil Hitler.” What a coincidence, right?” (h/t @MiriamElder) https://t.co/4K73fK9rmM
        
        https://t.co/tWqHRKPfum https://t.co/yQyGS3OCTP
        
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        June 20, 2020 12:11am
  - kowtow
    
    Buddhism next?
    
    Not to mention the US House chamber ……
    
    “Fasces
    The bronze fasces, representing a classical Roman symbol of civic authority, are located on both sides of the U.S. flag. The original Roman fasces consisted of an axe within a bundle of rods, bound together by a red strap. Over time, the fasces came to represent the ideal of American democracy: like the thin rods bound together, the small individual state achieve their strength and stability though their union under the federal government.”
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:38pm
- kowtow
  
  A wee while ago Bolton was the most hated , vile , dangerous, war mongering neo con .
  
  Now , he’s the font of all knowledge, reliable and on the cusp of saintliness……..
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:17pm
  - Batman
    
    Oh no, he’s still a military-fundy who put himself ahead of his country by not testifying in order to preserve his book deal.
    
    Which shows just how low Trump has sunk when John Bolton is prepared to reveal the true nature of the man.
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:28pm
  - IC5000
    
    Trumps set a low bar. As long as you’re not a liar and a traitor you’re coming out ahead of Trump.
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:32pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      So how does Obama fall so far behind then, oh right, a liar AND a traitor to the US. Got it.
      
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      June 19, 2020 10:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://aaregistry.org/story/nancy-green-the-original-aunt-jemima/?fbclid=IwAR1exs_O2l53xlwwcDpFUp-tItXyKlp_OFPs533koVvP6dcD4zQ5NS55ysc
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June 19, 2020 9:59am
- oldfella
  
  It’s a good story of a black woman doing well for herself, becoming enormously popular, and without selling out to anyone. Almost inspiring. Might make a movie.
  Unfortunately, when the mob comes for you…
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:08am
Maggie Pie

Goodness, just heard a couple of callers to Peter Williams talking about the 7.4 Earthquake off the coast of Gizzie. One said they even felt it in Fongarnui.

Still, can’t say they weren’t warned – Bishop Brian predicted this about 3 or 4 years ago.
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June 19, 2020 10:14am
- Sacha
  
  We felt it down in the Tararua District. It was very different to our usual shakes which sound like a truck coming down the valley in low gear, and then jerk the house in an end-to-end roll. This one was silent, and it ‘shivered’ the house and went on for a long time – somewhere, it was BIG.
  Fortunately a long way away.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:44am
  - Sacha
    
    ‘truck’ – why can’t I edit?
    
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    June 19, 2020 10:45am
Durden

Lately our Ministers and Senior Management have stopped taking responsibility for the happenings in their portfolios and their jobs. Its always someone else’s fault e.g. Reserve Bank “hack”, Covid-19 border testing etc. Its getting worse now with Winston Peters’ excuse of it is “a systems fault”

Gone are the days when some one like Minister Denis Marshall resigned after taking responsibility for the Cave Creek tragedy. He did NOT blame the designers and the builders for the deaths. In the end he knew he was responsible for the department and the systems that let it happen.

This trend also goes against the principles being applied under the Health & Safety laws making the “Person Conducting a Business or Undertaking” (i.e. lot of you and I ) responsible for all health and safety failure within their business. The law goes so far as to say the responsibility cannot be contracted out, nor insured against.

With the quarantining failures, we have the Minister, D-GH, managers on site etc all ducking their responsibilities for maintaining the health and safety of their wards–the citizens of New Zealand.

Why is it allowed to be so ?
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June 19, 2020 10:19am
- Mike
  
  Denis Marshall diluted the concept of ministerial responsibility by only resigning from the conservation portfolio, rather than from cabinet altogether. A precedent then followed by Kate Wilkinson after Pike River.
  
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  June 19, 2020 10:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Good to know. So when will a coalition minister resign, that is the point of the comment.
    
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    June 19, 2020 11:18am
    - chaos
      
      You’re in the upside down, a crap minister is apparently a good minister according to the communist leader, but it is ok, listening to people talking people that supported her are seeing her for the liar she is
      
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      June 19, 2020 12:28pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Well, Tall Man, as I said 24 hours ago at “We have a Claytons quarantine system”—
      
      “Marshall only resigned as Minister of Conservation the following December [of 1995], seven months after the tragedy, […]. He wanted to stay on so he could fix the ‘systemic’ problems in Conservation. Yeah, right.”
      
      So, after the election, perhaps?
      
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      June 19, 2020 12:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Now who reckons the Govt could run a contact-tracing system any better a second time?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/06/19/1238903/government-could-reinstate-contact-tracing-requirement

Does this Government really think folks are going to want to reveal details about where they’ve been and who they have been dealing with, if details of their health and personal circumstances are going to be splashed all over the media?
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June 19, 2020 10:28am
Maggie Pie

My partner just txt to say that even David Cunliffe has stuck his head back in.
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June 19, 2020 10:37am
rangitoto

Trouble on border.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8435033/India-says-soldiers-mutilated-beaten-death-Chinese-soldiers.html
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June 19, 2020 10:54am
Nookin

The PM was always keen to give assurances that everything would be all right (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12320552) but backs off the minute she is asked for comment on the A-G report making a mockery of her assurances.

Then, as statues and memorials are condemned around the country, our so-called minister of arts, culture and heritage says it is nothing to do with her.
A fair weather friend indeed.
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June 19, 2020 10:54am
kwkiwigirl

Watched the AM show political panel this morning. Collins on form this morning. Jackson didn’t have a leg to stand on re his party’s performance this week.

Labour are going to have to come up with some new material over ‘we are determined to fix it, and no one’s going to lose their job’. That’s the problem with everyone associated with this debacle. They all know no ones going to sack them.

BTW like the stand in lady, Ingrid Leary, over that Amanda Gillies. Much more palateable to watch and listen to first thing in the morning. TV3 should swap them out.
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June 19, 2020 11:03am
- Daphne Whitethigh
  
  Surely not the same Ingrid Leary who is standing for Labour in Taieri??
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:40pm
  - Durden
    
    Yes. Seems like it is. Did she declare her conflict of interest? The declaration if made should have been reason for her to not “host” a show. Matthew Hooton was vilified for being a panel participant on RNZ. It is ok when the lefties do it.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/labour-candidate-dunedin-south-contest-revealed
    
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    June 19, 2020 2:14pm
    - cas
      
      Doesn’t look like the same one to me????
      
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      June 19, 2020 2:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Maggie Pie

Do you think I should dig my blackboy plum and Kaffir lilies out?

and
What could I substitute for Kaffir lime leaves?
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June 19, 2020 11:03am
- Maggie Pie
  
  hiyaa Maggs – don’t know a lot about gardening as we tend to leave that stuff to our groundsman.
  But i always try and keep Kaffir lime leaves in the frige for my Red Duck Curry.
  You can substitute lime zest or even bayleaves if you run out.
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:19am
- Swifty
  
  I prefer a nice Black Doris myself.
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh.. of course..
    It’s a blackboy peach…
    I was getting so confused with the names of white-fleshed nectarines and yellow-flesh plums…
    I keep forgetting which fruit belongs to which race.
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:53pm
- Mike
  
  How about a nationwide programme to cut down all the black beech?
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Just use their botanical names instead?
  I’ve got one too–I use an oil from nigella sativa from crunched up black bits (of seeds).
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:00pm
- Scooter
  
  Are there still the black and white striped ball sweets in NZ?
  
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  June 19, 2020 8:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    yep…blackballs
    https://flowerseverywhere.co.nz/sites/default/files/product-image/flowers-everywhere-blackballs%5B1%5D.jpg
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:26pm
Maggie Pie

#BREAKING

Meghan has taken over quarantine duties from Ronnie.

LOL!!
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June 19, 2020 11:10am
- chaos
  
  There we go, we can have confidence in the process now. The process of her ability to cover things up and burry the bodies.
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:41am
- septic skeptic
  
  #STOP PRESS
  Woods has been advising the PM on border security since lockdown. ??
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The cover up specialist
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:14pm
  - chaos
    
    Thank god, don’t want to imagine her being uncovered.
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:49pm
Littletramp

If the Cook Islands think they will get a NZ travel bubble they are dreaming.
The NZ Tourism Industry would be filthy if Labour allowed Kiwis to take our money to the Cook Islands and not spend it within NZ. The reason NZ want the bubble with Australia is to get an inflow of Aussie tourism dollars.
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June 19, 2020 11:29am
- fernglas
  
  NZ and Australian tourists both spend about the same in each other’s countries, around $2.5bn, so it’s fiscally neutral if both countries’ tourists spend that at home instead
  
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  June 19, 2020 11:52am
  - DeepBlue
    
    The expectation would be many, many more Australians would visit NZ for the first time now rather that travel to other countries with the borders closed.
    
    It is more likely Australia will work this out and say why bother with NZ, as we have done the islands.
    
    But that doesn’t make for a long term solution, which must be to get money moving again and give people / businesses confidence.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:08pm
Skippytony

Now this is what you call a political ad!

https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/1273475570274308098
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June 19, 2020 11:40am
Johnboy

[mod: deleted for personal abuse of features]
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June 19, 2020 11:44am
Johnboy

Seriously folks…the wheels are starting to fall off this Winston appointed PM!
What a shit fight it’s going to be as signaled by Winnie as he moves into “preserve my 5% mode” prior to election 2020! 🙂
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June 19, 2020 11:49am
Swifty

I posted this here years ago, but it’s just come back up on my YouTube recommendations so I thought I’d give it another run, it’s that good.

Jeb Corliss – Grinding the Crack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-k

Perfectly safe for work.
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June 19, 2020 11:50am
oldfella

British actor continues to stand up to the woke mob. Good!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8435825/Laurence-Fox-insists-not-stand-silenced-BLM-protests.html
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June 19, 2020 11:51am
lifesgood

Been traveling around NZ the last week and it seems the fairy dust has really fallen off. Taxi drivers, shop assistants, cafe owners all absolutely livid about what has gone down. Trust has been lost, they know they’ve been lied to and they are angry. Trust is almost Impossible to regain. Noone unless they are a poorly educated idiot could think this govt has done a good job.
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June 19, 2020 11:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not fairy dust, it is iron pyrites – fool’s gold
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:51pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My anecdotal research tells me that Labour still have the female vote tied up good and strong. I am so dearly hoping that will change in the next three months, but Muller will have to lift his game.
  Anecdotal research is a euphemism for drinking beer and wine with a cross section of the community in a non-confrontational friendly banter.
  
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  June 19, 2020 5:19pm
  - Mike
    
    Friday night: time to get well and truly into the ‘anecdotal research’.
    
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    June 19, 2020 6:47pm
chaos

* The Australian Government has been targeted by a significant cyber attack.

Nine News is reporting that it is “of an incredible scale” and has been aimed at Government institutions and the private institutions within Australia*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12341271
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June 19, 2020 11:56am
- Durden
  
  China didn’t do it !
  
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  June 19, 2020 2:20pm
  - chaos
    
    Cindy did it, she was looking for the file “what date do we open the boarder to nz*
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:15pm
    - Two bob
      
      More like how not to destroy economy and cause a depression.
      she didnt like that the answer was less socialism hence the attack.
      
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      June 19, 2020 5:42pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    How do you know?
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:31pm
  - oldfella
    
    ‘Trust China. China is NOT asshole’.
    Do you think the new version will catch on? 😉
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Dolly did it! 😀
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:39pm
oldfella

So Megan Woods comes off the bench again (the same women who took Kiwibuild from Twatford) and again it’s to try and fix a CoL stuff up. Which they are really good at. The stuff ups, not the fixing.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300038167/housing-minister-megan-woods-taking-on-responsibility-for-border-management
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June 19, 2020 11:57am
Jack5

Meng Foon, the Race Relations Commissioner, goes too far in encouraging school children to complain to the Commission when teachers say some something the kids think may be racist.

Foon’s praised a Lynfield School pupil for complaining about a teacher reading from, presumably a novel, the line, “… you are going to betray your own blood over a nigger…”

Bit suprising that a teacher didn’t realise pronouncing the N-word could set off a storm.

But encouraging children to complain about parents to a Government commission is reminiscent of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, where children were made heroes for denouncing their parents.

First, denounce teachers, then parents will be next.

Take your foot off the totalitarian pedal, Meng Foon, or soon you may be saddled with a nickname, Meng the Merciless. And Mengo City wouldn’t be a bad revisionist tame for Wellington, either.

Foon pours praise on class nark:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12341252

A model? ~~Meng~~ Ming the Merciless:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_the_Merciless
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June 19, 2020 12:03pm
chaos

* Two officers have been shot and another person has been hit by a fleeing car after an incident in West Auckland.

Superintendent Naila Hassan, Waitematā District Commander said the two officers had been seriously injured in the incident in Massey on Friday morning.

A member of the public was also injured after being hit by the vehicle fleeing the scene.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121882364/police-officer-injured-in-critical-incident-in-west-aucklands-massey
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June 19, 2020 12:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So how did that gun buyback go again?
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:25pm
  - chaos
    
    It went great, the gangs ere able to buy a lot more weapons, the legal biding citizens were able to get screwed ….. and saint lies a lot made international media
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:47pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      And gang leaders got made ‘essential’ during the lockdown and were invited pretty please to take tea with the BushCommish.
      
      What. The. Actual.
      
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      June 19, 2020 1:49pm
  - sooty
    
    Too early yet to know, but did they get shot with their own gun?
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Unlikely, they were unarmed.
      
      Coster removed the ART officers from traffic stops last week.
      
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      June 19, 2020 1:47pm
      - Two bob
        
        most copcars have handguns in a lockbox in the boot.
        Those with training and rural cops will have bushmaster rifles also.
        
        waiting for the media to ask how the new gunlaws would have prevented this trajedy. im sure the shooter would be licenced and would have the gun fully registered… cue tui billboard
        
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        June 19, 2020 5:49pm
I remember when

Sitting on his father’s shoulders walking through rice paddies littered with bodies left behind by brutal Khmer Rouge death squads, Hap Dan made a fateful journey to freedom and safety.
For six long years his family had lived in the shadow of death, fearful that at any moment they might be denounced and executed on the spot.
Between 1979 and 1980 the Khmer Rouge killed an estimated 2.2 million.
There were many nights since coming to Australia where he would hear dad scream out and cry in pain.
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June 19, 2020 12:05pm
Bobba Fret

Megan Woods has been brought in to fix the mess up again just like she fixed Kiwi build……..I feel better already!!!!! lol
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June 19, 2020 12:06pm
- Apteryx
  
  According to Newshub:
  “Housing Minister Megan Woods is being put in charge of the managed isolation and quarantine facilities.
  “A government spokesperson says this is a new role, and Woods is not taking the responsibility away from anyone.”
  
  So ‘no-one’ was in charge of managed isolation and quarantine facilities before? Quite an admission.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/coronavirus-megan-wood-put-in-charge-of-managed-isolation-quarantine.html
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:37pm
  - sooty
    
    Rev david clark has been bypassed yet again in his portfolio! When is she going to sack him?
    First Bloomfield, then Bush, then Ron Mark, then Web, now Megan Wood.
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:54pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “A government spokesperson says this is a new role, and Woods is not taking the responsibility away from anyone.”
    
    How can she take responsibility away from anyone as no-one was taking responsibility in the first place?
    
    So the Minister of Krispy Kremes and Custard Squares is going to “fix” this, just like she “fixed” KiwiBuild.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:37pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      It’s kinda true though. She’s not taking responsibility away from anyone – because no one previously assumed responsibility for anything and she is not assuming responsibility for anything now either.
      
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      June 19, 2020 1:53pm
chaos

Never knew they had an office there

* Air New Zealand is closing its dedicated international travel office at parliament.

An internal parliament email sent to everyone who works within parliament said the closure of the office was “effective immediately” and members of the Air New Zealand team had been redeployed.

“Air New Zealand has advised that they are unfortunately no longer able to sustain a dedicated international travel office ‘in house’ here on precinct,” the email said.

There are four buildings in Wellington that house New Zealand’s Parliament. They are Parliament House, the Parliamentary Library, the Beehive and Bowen House.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121882915/air-new-zealand-closes-parliament-base-effective-immediately
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June 19, 2020 12:08pm
- Batman
  
  Put it this way, two very helpful staff in a side office next to the IT team in Bowen House.
  
  But the impact will be pretty minimal since most offices book their own MP and staff flights online etc.
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:10pm
  - chaos
    
    That’s what surprised me that it wasn’t done online.
    
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    June 19, 2020 12:16pm
    - Batman
      
      It can be helpful to have those people there when booking more complex international itineraries.
      
      But it’s nothing that the local travel agents don’t already do for a lot of Ministerial offices.
      
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      June 19, 2020 12:30pm
kowtow

‘We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.’

Cops Lives Matter.
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June 19, 2020 12:12pm
I remember when

For those who may have had the misfortune to miss it. (X NZH)
Hilary Barry has shared photo of herself at beach to take a stand against men who ask women to “cover up”.
The Seven Sharp presenter posted a photo showing off her incredible figure and encouraging her followers to be confident in their own skin.
“This is for every Geoff who ever told a woman what to wear or what part of her body to cover up”.
“We will not be told. Not now. Not ever.”
The post racked up over 26,000 likes.
(Where have we seen that number before.)
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June 19, 2020 12:12pm
- Batman
  
  Well, what sort of self-important busy body feels they have the right to tell a woman to cover up when she’s got half of one shoulder out.
  
  This isn’t bloody Saudi.
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:31pm
  - kowtow
    
    Busty body posts swimsuit pic to boost business.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    [Mod: get that temper under control if you don’t want a holiday for abusive comments.]
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      No temper and your comment is offensive suggesting that.
      
      The term “media whore” is an acceptable phrase for someone who pushes herself/himself at every opportunity.
      
      [Mod: no it isn’t. Try us again and we’ll not have much mercy.]
      
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      June 19, 2020 8:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons not the greatest titties he’s seen.
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:24pm
  - oldfella
    
    I look forward to her visiting Saudi Arabia, wearing her swimsuit, to do to a 7 Sharp story about how brave she is and how all women should follow her example.
    She could become a kind of Greta, but for old folks.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:39pm
- Prince
  
  Strange how both presenters of our once-proud current affairs show are more interested in their private bits than what goes on away from their couch.
  
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  June 19, 2020 2:10pm
- Durden
  
  She is being purposely provocative and being a try-hardto drive ratings. A good bet the bikini picture was kept ready before she wore the off shoulder top.
  
  Absolutely no reason for reason for dressing up like that on the prime time TV when the man next to her is wearing a suit.
  
  Her inane comments are annoying .
  
  And on that topic Pippa whatever on Fair Go–does she have to talk to viewers in a cloying voice one would use when talking to a small child?
  
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  June 19, 2020 2:28pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Can’t stand Pippa. She nods like a car ledge dog.
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:45pm
I remember when

Imagine anyone having the nerve to tell someone else what to wear, not wear.
It’s a bugger being a married man!
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June 19, 2020 12:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  #MeToo 😉
  
  I don’t even need a mirror 🙂
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:43pm
- Two bob
  
  yup many married men across nz agree.
  
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  June 19, 2020 5:53pm
MT_Tinman

There is a report on Stuff main page about a young fellow having a thought-crime charge dismissed – he was apparently charged (an imprisoned) for possessing a copy of Tarrant’s video.

Stuff as usual includes a photo with the story.

The photo is of the court, a prison, the Hagley mosque?

No, they couldn’t help themselves. The photo is of the liar-in-chief looking all frowny.

$50mil buys you heaps!
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June 19, 2020 12:27pm
Maggie Pie

My partner said he’s just waiting for new Police Commissioner Andy (Cap) Costa to call a press conference, asking for tolerance and understanding.
Meanwhile, two unarmed West Auckland cops are in hospital with what are described as ‘serious gunshot wounds’.

I see the offender is still on the run. Twitter are describing him as “….a white male, mid to late 40’s, licenced firearms holder, solid family man with 3 kids all at private schools. No previous convictions.”

Oh wait……
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June 19, 2020 12:49pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  One is now dead, so there’s a murderer on the run.
  And oh, how come the bad guy had a gun when there was supposed to have been a ‘buyback’?
  That didn’t exactly work, did it?
  
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  June 19, 2020 12:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe it was just the barrel that was bought back and the gun was a sawn off 12G
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:07pm
- kowtow
  
  Coster went to a BLM vigil . Fine. But at the marches they shout F*** the cops and there’s “ACAB ” graffiti all over the shop .
  
  ACAB = All Cops are bastards. That’s “all” cops . Including him , including those that put their lives on the line , including the guy who we expect to turn up when we hear breaking windows and see someone lurking round ……
  
  PS this post is for the front line , not the Brass.
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:01pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Except – Coster’s Mild Bunch don’t come when you a citizen call them because there are strangers on your property stealing your stuff. Ask me how I know.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:47pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yer I know , that’s why I said “expect” . And we have a right to expect a timely turn out . But that has been compromised by “management” and a lack of resourcing by the pollies.
      
      I have no doubt the average cop would be much happier feeling a burglars collar than doing incessant rounds of check ups on bailees, domestic tiffs and liquor license checks……
      
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      June 19, 2020 2:26pm
- chaos
  
  I wish at times like this the media would grow some compassion. No one needs to know what the shot officer looked like on the ground as described on the herald by a witness.
  
  My deepest thanks for these two officers and to their families.
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:08pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  What a useless interview with Coster, he wouldn’t give a description of the offender or the vehicle. Couldn’t the public be on the look out then? Any only after questioning did he let us know there was 2 of them.
  
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  June 19, 2020 2:18pm
  - chaos
    
    Public help not needed, I’m guessing since they have a house cordoned off they know who it is and are about get them
    
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    June 19, 2020 2:49pm
Tony Stuart

My sincere condolences to the family and colleagues of the Police officer killed in the line of duty this morning.

Now’s not the time to get political, but it is a sad irony that this has occurred less than 24 hours after Parliament passed new gun legislation.
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June 19, 2020 1:07pm
- Steve Todd
  
  I was just about to put up an amusing story when I saw your comment – which I endorse – Tony. It would have slotted in immediately under yours. I’ll now leave it till later in the afternoon.
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:13pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Tony, I was myself about the sad irony of today’s incident.
  Will we get an expresion of regret from Ms Rakete or any of the Green party. Somehow I doubt it.
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:14pm
- Mike
  
  Now’s not the time to get political
  
  I’m glad you realised that, even as you went on to make a political point…
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:17pm
  - chaos
    
    You cant help yourself can you
    
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    June 19, 2020 3:10pm
    - Mike
      
      Clearly Tony could not.
      
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      June 19, 2020 6:49pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Indeed. RIP the gent who lost his life in the line of duty, and condolences to his family and colleagues.
  
  Simultaneously, Cahill and his mob have bleated and blustered for the last year that taking guns off the lawabiding would make NZ safer. Sadly, as we told them over and over again: doing that – and passing the second tranche of threatlaws yesterday – can’t and didn’t do anything to prevent this. Not that St Cindy and Aggro Gnashi and Strawboss Cahill will change their arrant tryanny over the lawabiding.
  
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  June 19, 2020 1:44pm
  - Batman
    
    Is it confirmed as a man?
    
    Could be a woman.
    
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    June 19, 2020 1:50pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Exactly right there Batsie!
      Did you catch ‘Police 10/7’ last night?
      There was a young woman cop dressed in fatigues and driving a muffty car, shown pulling over a couple of very large Maori gentlemen all by herself.
      It took about 10 minutes for male back-up to arrive, all she could do was keep talking and smiling.
      
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      June 19, 2020 2:02pm
      - MCos
        
        So what are you saying?
        Women aren’t up to the job?
        
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        June 19, 2020 3:27pm
    - chaos
      
      Yes a man
      
      “ Police Minister Stuart Nash said the officer who died was a man who “dedicated his career to keeping us safe”.
      
      “Over 10,000 men and woman have lost a valued colleagues,” he said.
      
      “What an absolute tragedy. What can you say,” Nash said.”
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12341272
      
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      June 19, 2020 3:44pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I do not disagree with you.
  
  But…, yes, there’s a what-about-but coming up.
  
  Jacinda ad her crew did not hesitate at all in politicizing Tarrant’s massacre and blaming everybody who possessed a FAL for it.
  
  Should we be acting differently? Karma always trumps dogma, sooner or later…
  
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  June 19, 2020 3:57pm
secondcumming

Anyone else like to take on the job as an unarmed Beat Cop in West Auckland, if the salary was say the same as the *Watercare CEO*? 😎
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June 19, 2020 1:40pm
I remember when

Apr 16 2019 Tattoos
May 31 2019 Cleavage
Jan 23 2020 Clothes. I’ll wear what I like.
Feb 4 2020 Jeremy jokes about J.Los half time show
Jun 18 2020 Off Shoulder clothes
Is it about the shaming or about Seven Sharp ratings.
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June 19, 2020 2:12pm
Bobba Fret

Police Lives Matter.
My condolences to the family of the policeman. Lets hope they capture these two thugs quickly.
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June 19, 2020 2:16pm
- chaos
  
  Police are outside a house telling the occupants to come out, so hopefully they have them now
  
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  June 19, 2020 2:54pm
- lifesgood
  
  Accidental downtick, should be an up.
  
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  June 19, 2020 3:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jeeez.. Has this Government no sense of decency or empathy?

Just began to listen to Megan Woods at her Press Conference…
One introductory sentence acknowledging the killing of a serving police officer, then straight into a spiel of introduction for Air Commodore Webb…
I couldn’t listen to any more.
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June 19, 2020 2:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We call him Digby 😛
  
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  June 19, 2020 2:28pm
  - Fletch
    
    Dan Dare’s faithful batman…
    
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    June 19, 2020 4:45pm
    - Komata
      
      Fletch@1645
      
      Your age, Sir, is showing 🙂 (And so is mine).
      
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      June 19, 2020 5:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    Not Sir Digby? Sir Digby C. Caesar?
    
    https://youtu.be/qU8942jUvas
    
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    June 19, 2020 5:20pm
- chaos
  
  I dont know, I kind of think the politicians should do what they’re there to do and leave today’s shooting to the pm and police minister to comment on and give their thanks and condolances
  
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  June 19, 2020 3:06pm
- lifesgood
  
  When Megan Woods is put up to lead this God almighty shambles you know the Col has no answers to the problem. I give up.
  
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  June 19, 2020 3:39pm
Philview

Is it a coincidence that we have just had a couple of weeks of the media, leftwing activists and some MPs trying to inflame divisions in New Zealand and linking the NZ Police to the problems in the US.
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June 19, 2020 2:26pm
surfing

“Health authorities in Tauranga have moved to plug a “weakness” in the country’s maritime border protections which they fear could let Covid-19 slip through.

Crews on foreign ships are allowed to take shore leave – without being tested for Covid-19 – as long as they have served a period of 14 days’ isolation. That can include time spent at sea.
”

This is crazy, if covid is spreading through a ship, you could still have crew members coming down with it at the end of 14 days at sea….then they are allowed off the ship to wander around town looking for free wifi.
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June 19, 2020 2:35pm
- [email protected]
  
  If the ship had 10 crew then it would be theoretically possible for at least one crew member to be infected even after 140 days at sea. Not very likely, but possible.
  
  The crew members should get tested and be cleared before being allowed ashore. Cheaper than putting them into isolation in a $500 a night hotel.
  
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  June 19, 2020 6:30pm
MCos

From what I can ascertain today’s fatality is the thirty second of a police officer in their line of duty since the late eighteen hundreds, including four in the one well known incident on the West Coast in 1941.
The last one was Senior Constable Len Snee in 2009 who was shot by Jan Molenaar in Napier while executing a search warrant.
Our police are far from the cowboys we see on TV in other countries and in today’s incident they were carrying out a routine operation, according to the Police Commissioner. It wasn’t a shoot out in the middle of the street.
So, the bad news just keeps on coming, but this is different and someone’s family, maybe kids for all I know, won’t see their man again.
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June 19, 2020 2:36pm
surfing

It irritates me how stuff close off the comments section when they talk about the governments mishandling of immigration and covid.
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June 19, 2020 2:53pm
- bruceavon
  
  I am surprised they opened it at all, they barely do anymore. I was told by someone who worked there it was because the comments were too negative. I notice they didn’t publish my comment. I did make fun of the two Covid women. but that comments section is all but gone.
  
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  June 19, 2020 4:46pm
  - Miritu
    
    Get the free Dissenter browser which allows comments on any site which cannot be removed
    https://dissenter.com
    
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    June 19, 2020 7:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler, OAN. What experts got wrong about Covid 19.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd6L4-vSQDw
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June 19, 2020 3:02pm
Mike

So Facebook removed Trump campaign ads featuring an alleged Nazi symbol.
Now it turns out that there were 88 such ads, all beginning with a 14-word sentence.
’14’ is a coded reference to a popular alt-right slogan: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
’88’ is a neo-Nazi code for Heil Hitler.
Probably all just a big coincidence.
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June 19, 2020 3:33pm
- chaos
  
  Not really, the upside triangle is yield sign, to go along with the other roaring signs used in the adverts.. and for people who want to know what those 14 words were in the ads they were
  
  “ Dangerous MOBS of far-left groups are running through our streets and causing absolute mayhem. ”
  
  Nothing coded in that. Just idiots look for things in everything.
  
  Better pull all those red yield signs down, the precious are being idiots again
  
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  June 19, 2020 4:47pm
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, apparently the Nazi symbol was a red triangle. I’ve never heard of anything like that before, and I bet no one else has either.
  Conspiracy much?
  
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  June 19, 2020 5:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Love your comedy Mike
  
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  June 19, 2020 5:27pm
- MrTips
  
  In another remarkable coincidence, 14 is the IQ of people who post such dribble.
  
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  June 19, 2020 6:30pm
chaos

To the person who has gone into the thread on the killed officer and down ticked every comment you are scum, I’d hope the moderators could see who you are and kick your pathetic ass out of here.
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June 19, 2020 3:37pm
RW Capitalist

Looking back over the past 3yrs, could someone tell me which govt. departments have had a beneficial outcome for New Zealanders?
I’ll start you thinking
Health……..more money spent for less out comes (even taking out Covid19)
Welfare….more money spent but still 3x as many receiving food assistance than 3 years ago
…….
Maybe it’s me, but the only thing that seems common to ALL Govt. departments is:
……more money spent….
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June 19, 2020 3:44pm
- cmm
  
  Well it is how they score themselves:
  
  “We gave $50million more to xxx”
  
  This is why they end up spending many millions on complete bullshit like period poverdee.
  
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  June 19, 2020 6:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Uncle Dons.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0pykzf3w6t7k5w/uncle%20dons%20syrup.jpg?dl=0
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June 19, 2020 3:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This syrup is GREAT! Everyone knows this syrup is GREAT! It’s the GREATEST syrup ever! Nobody makes Syrup this great! Buy Trump MAGA syrup and make America and Syrup GREAT again!!!! Thanks
  
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  June 19, 2020 3:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I piss you downtickers off right? Good.
    For you – no brain = no pain. Carry on corksoakers
    
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    June 19, 2020 6:33pm
    - RichardX
      
      You appear to be easily triggered
      
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      June 19, 2020 6:36pm
      - Mike
        
        Typical snowflake…
        
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        June 19, 2020 6:51pm
- Jules99
  
  I would certainly put some of that in my trolley!
  
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  June 19, 2020 5:13pm
  - Mike
    
    Will it be as successful as Trump Steaks, or Trump Vodka, that’s what we need to know.
    
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    June 19, 2020 6:56pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121883632/gloriavale-leader-howard-temple-investigated-for-assaulting-woman

These disgusting, perverted manipulative morons should be [Deleted – Mod]
They are the embodiment of the evil which they purport to decry to their simpleton followers.

[Mod – that crosses the line]
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June 19, 2020 6:33pm
- Mike
  
  Imagine that – fundie cult leader commits crime…
  
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  June 19, 2020 6:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    Leader of a Large Charitable Organization admits to assaulting young mother, No charges pending.
    
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    June 19, 2020 9:38pm
- chaos
  
  And he was cleared because he had the legal right to remove a trespasser from the property…..
  
  Interesting to read you comment that they should be deleted by the mod ?. Not sure I’ve seen an episode of Batman where he’s taken down the religious loony tunes.
  
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  June 19, 2020 7:09pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Will Cindy ever be able to pronounce the word women correctly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9DWBcBhIUk
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June 19, 2020 10:37pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Cindy reflects on the good old days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaESzRNMVeI
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June 19, 2020 11:19pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

2025 country population predictions by military site, absolutely amazing, and NZ does not escape:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=Zlu21LnvD-s&feature=emb_logo
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June 20, 2020 1:43am
Nickc2

Couple in their 20s the latest two cases of Covid-19. Oh shit, here we go again. Stock up for Level 4 again. Thanks Cindy and Ash. You have both done us proud. NOT!
Talk about the Muppet Show, we have it all in NZ’s Parliament.
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