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Mike

Happy 90th birthday to Clint Eastwood!
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May 31, 2020 8:00am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, they don’t make ‘em like him anymore! Definitely one of yesterday’s men, huh…
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:05am
- Fletch
  
  Go ahead… Make my (birth) day….
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:17am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Have you seen the remake of Six Brides and a Husband for Seven Brothers Mike? It’s very good…
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:18am
  - Mike
    
    I’m waiting till it’s remade as Seven Life Partners of Various Genders for Seven Life Partners also of Various Genders.
    
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    May 31, 2020 9:49am
    - Biscuit
      
      Mike, Jacinda’s Mob have banned that film being made until 2060.
      
      That’s how long they’ll need to finish enough Kiwibuild houses for the 14 individuals involved to live in…
      
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      May 31, 2020 10:44am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Speaking of Kiwibuild, I see Megan Woods was skiting that one bloke who has purchased an apartment in the Monark development doesn’t mind waiting until 2022 to move in. He’d written to her to tell her that.
        
        I wonder which ministerial office said chap works in, or if in fact it was a Labour MP!
        
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        May 31, 2020 10:49am
- Swifty
  
  PERGE SCELUS MIHI DIEM PERFICIAS
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:21am
  - Swifty
    
    *Proceed varlet and let the day be rendered perfect for my benefit.
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:37am
  - Komata
    
    Swifty@1021
    
    And the best of the day to you too Sir, may you quickly recover from your most unfortunate affliction…
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:30am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGl-4gByV4
  Best piece ever.
  The “empty chair speech”
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:23am
  - Mike
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/04/clint-eastwood-explains-and-regrets-his-speech-to-an-empty-chair/
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:37am
- David Farrar
  
  And to my father (who is not Clint Eastwood but did turn 90 this weekend!)
  
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  May 31, 2020 5:35pm
Than

Two observations about the protests and riots following the death of George Floyd.

Observation one – a lot of the calls for the four officers to be charged have a disturbing feel of a lynch mob. No matter how damning the evidence seems, they are still entitled to due process.

Observation two – it seems extremely likely there will be a surge of COVID-19 cases in cities which have seen protests. A lot of the crowds seem pretty tightly packed. I don’t know how widespread masks are, but regardless they aren’t perfect protection.
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May 31, 2020 8:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  Agree with observation one. Not so convinced about observation two. Transmission outdoors is very low, something like 5% of indoors. Deaths in the <75 age range are rare, and almost always for people with existing health conditions that are unlikely to see them participating in riotous demonstrations.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:06am
- thirteenstars
  
  And they are getting that due process. But the process can be swift without compromising anyone’s rights.
  
  The very important thing to keep in mind is given the clear evidence, no regular citizen would have been allowed to remain uncharged for as a long as this cop did. Can you seriously imagine yourself on video for 12 minutes with your knee on a man’s neck as he begged for his life and then died, and the police not immediately taking you into custody and laying a charge?
  
  No.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:04am
  - stewmar
    
    “ Can you seriously imagine yourself on video for 12 minutes with your knee on a man’s neck as he begged for his life and then died, and the police not immediately taking you into custody and laying a charge?”
    
    Part of due process is determining cause of death. A coroner must determine that after an autopsy has Ben carried out. In Mr Floyd’s case it would appear Cathay cause of death was not strangulation or asphyxiation. The said cop should not have been charged until cause of death was determined
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:41pm
    - Batman
      
      No reasonable person would claim that being pinned down like that didn’t contribute in some way to his death.
      
      So there is still a case to answer regarding his behaviour, even if not a murder case perhaps.
      
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      May 31, 2020 1:32pm
    - rouppe
      
      Coroners don’t report what the cause of death was not. They report the cause of death.
      
      I’ve seen the medical examiners report that says he had hypertensive heart disease and coronary artery disease. “Both diseases combined with being restrained by the police, plus any potential intoxicants may have contributed to his death”.
      
      If that was your relative, would you believe that? Ask someone in your household weighing no less than 90kg to put their full weight into a knee on your neck and see if there is no chance of either your breathing or carotid blood supply being cut off.
      
      Look forward to your report
      
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      May 31, 2020 2:01pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Exactly. The man’s medical status is not the issue. Healthy or diseased the level of restraint he was exposed to was unconscionable. He was cuffed and on the ground. He was no threat in that position, or indeed even if standing. Yet the cop felt the need to do what he did for a very long period of time, and his colleagues stood by and watched. They too should be charged with accessory.
        
        What can his possible defence be? Not that he was in danger. Then what? That a *healthy* person would not have died?
        
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        May 31, 2020 2:49pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      The said cop should not have been charged until cause of death was determined[.]
      
      The cop has been charged with Murder 3, which, I understand (without bothering to research it), is roughly equivalent to manslaughter.
      
      George Floyd was perfectly fine when the cops baled him up. Then he was dead. The charge, laid when it was, was entirely appropriate.
      
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      June 1, 2020 10:15am
- giltee
  
  3rd observation. The riots are not just about the death of George Floyd. They’re being fuelled by those with other motives. One is those who want to see Trump gone and I believe are using this to whip up racial riots. The other is white supremacists using this to build anger against protesting black Americans
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:35am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I don’t think there’s any evidence at all that “White supremacist” are involved, that’s just the narrative that those organising these riots are trying to push – for political reasons.
    
    This is a well organised strategy to agitate the black community and to push back against the inroads Trump has been making in that area. Well planned, just waiting for the appropriate trigger. And the Democrats are a party to it, why, they’re even trying to accuse the Russians of being involved !
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:01am
    - Batman
      
      Ed you really are reaching to suggest it’s the Democrats who are pushing this violence.
      
      Here is Billy Barr, not wasting a crisis, pointing out that it’s the extremists and anarchists etc who are doing this. Plus the man smashing windows unrelated to the protests, which is tweaking the radar of law enforcement
      
      https://youtu.be/vubnbUj6A58
      
      And by the way, if you think the Russians aren’t still undertaking psy-ops against the US across multiple fields of play, you need to read wider my friend
      
      https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/30/2020-election-interference-russian-coronavirus-disinformation/
      
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      May 31, 2020 12:42pm
- Paulus
  
  There is very little”due process” in the USA and has not been for a long time.
  Usually it is the dollar that counts.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:01am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Bullshit. If the US has little due process than we have none.
    
    Back up your claim.
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:35pm
- Vallager
  
  What the cop did was, without question, stupidly bad. But, and it is a big but, surely by the same token, every time a black person commits a crime against a white one, Americans should take to the streets, riot, wave White Lives Matter banners and, of course, blame Donald Trump.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:21am
  - Nickc2
    
    The case involving George Floyd is not as straight forward as it would appear.
    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/05/autopsy-on-george-floyd-no-physical-findings-that-support-a-diagnosis-of-traumatic-asphyxia-or-stran.html
    In addition, a woman has come forward and stated that Floyd and the Police Officer worked together as bouncers at a club she owned.
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:31pm
    - Batman
      
      I’d wait for the independent report from the examiner hired by the family. The local authorities haven’t exactly been reliable through this cock up.
      
      Yeah they worked at the same club as young men, then the cop went on to have multiple complaints against him for brutality.
      
      Much more water to go under the bridge before we get a properly clear picture.
      
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      May 31, 2020 12:48pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Don’t get me wrong Batman, I’m not saying who killed him or how he died, but an independent report from the examiner hired by the family is hardly independent.
        No matter what’s in the coroner’s report or the independent examiner’s report, its not going to satisfy all sides of the fiasco and it’s certainly not going to restore looting damage.
        
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        May 31, 2020 1:23pm
      - Batman
        
        I agree there, but a second report is still useful.
        
        And it doesn’t help what is now happening, where random old white guys are turning up and having a go a shooting people WITH A FUCKING CROSSBOW.
        
        https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104?s=09
        
        I think we’ll be keeping our borders shut to the US for a while, they are really showing signs of a serious collapse thanks to a poisoned and partisan media environment, and a President who is completely out of his depth to manage this stuff.
        
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        May 31, 2020 1:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Amazing the morons who don’t understand how Federalism works eh.
        
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        May 31, 2020 2:01pm
      - alwyn
        
        @Batman. 1.30pm.
        Shooting people with a crossbow?
        What is so odd about that? Don’t you remember when the Napier MP Geoff Braybrooke once claimed during Parliamentary debate that he had shot Viet Cong with a crossbow while serving in Vietnam?
        It didn’t seem to bother him very much when it was pointed out that he had been there as a Medic and his equipment for the task didn’t include such an item.
        
        @Nickc2.
        Not independent? How can you possibly say that? The next thing that you will be telling us is that the Labour Party investigations into sexual misbehavior by someone at their Young Labour camp, and by someone in their Parliamentary Office, which the investigations found never happened were not squeaky clean and shouldn’t have been accepted by their leader, St Cindy.
        
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        May 31, 2020 5:32pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      So what? Murder is murder. If you can make a case for Floyd dying peacefully in his sleep then you and and I are going to go into the bridge-selling business.
      
      I’ll find the punters and look after the money – you obviously can convince people of anything!
      
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      May 31, 2020 11:12pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    False equivalence, since black males are arrested and killed at rates between 3 and 5 X higher than white males (depending on your source of statistics).
    
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    May 31, 2020 4:05pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  We saw carefully edited footage, now the facts emerge–not strangled:https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/medical-examiner-no-traumatic-asphyxiation-strangulation-floyd-death/
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:31pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Calls for the officers to be charged are calls for justice, not for lynching. The evidence is damning and is verifiable. They’ll get due process, such as it is in America.
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:42pm
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Lot of calls for actions against the officers that don’t involve going through due process too. It does have a lynch mob mentality to it especially when there was calls to burn down the place he was arrested at.
    
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    May 31, 2020 1:08pm
Than

And on a completely unrelated note, congratulations to SpaceX for a historic achievement! An amazing sight to watch.
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May 31, 2020 8:02am
- SpencerArnold
  
  Have a go at docking yourself!
  
  https://iss-sim.spacex.com/
  
  (I did it with the Blue Danube playing in 8 bit audio, upvote if you know what I am talking about)
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:43am
  - Biscuit
    
    Upticked for the ‘2001’ reference, SA, but it seems I have about as much skill at docking as my now 30-plus-year-old boy used to have at urinating into, rather than around, a toilet bowl!
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:47am
Paulus Gnome

Excellent piece by Dr. Muriel Newman from earlier in the week.

https://www.nzcpr.com/democracy-under-threat/

Apologies if this has already been aired, a good read all the same
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May 31, 2020 8:07am
- Souvlaki
  
  If National is truely serious about winning the election, they could do so by honing in and doing something concrete to arrest this .
  Unchecked….this is likely to end in racial violence.
  We cannot have thugs running rings around the police and being given preferential medical treatment on race!
  Get on the case Muller!
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:47am
- KevO'Brien
  
  An excellent piece indeed.
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:31pm
edward_l

The guy with the umbrella usually starts the action and walks off, leaving everyone else to get arrested. The flash bang at CNN HQ, the first door at the Target. The pattern goes on in these riots. Makes me think they are partially orchestrated.
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May 31, 2020 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  Of course they are.
  
  As are the riots in HK.
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:57am
- kevn
  
  @ed… Professional global anarchists. Soros plaything puppets.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Soros
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:21am
- igm
  
  Look at the activists, mainly being muslim, black, and latino.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:56am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Appears to be evidence, that 50% of the crowd may be from out of town.
  I wonder if the numbers go like this:
  50% local, peaceful, demonstrators
  50% out of towners, rioting and looting
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Busloads being bought in, antifa.
    This has been going to happen for some time. The killing of George Floyd by a bad cop was just a trigger
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some are wearing earpieces to communicate. Some are tuned into the Police, bodyguard and Security channels. Americans call them ‘earwigs’
      
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      May 31, 2020 12:37pm
    - igm
      
      Similar to the imbeciles demonstrsting against TPP a while ago in NZ. Nothing but left-wing vermin trying to besmirch hard-working succesful right.
      
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      June 1, 2020 8:43am
- Ed Snack
  
  Partially …?
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:02am
artemisia

New Zealand Superannuation – good article in Stuff yesterday from Rob Stock. Traverses lots of ideas and options, some of which might be policies heading into the election. Ideas include – raising eligibility age of course, increasing resident requirement, tax the rich, pay by growing the economy.

Greens – interested in exploring ways to allow flexibility in the age a person may receive New Zealand Superannuation. Probably code for earlier access based on race.

Last but not least, academics from the Retirement Policy Research Centre are united in their call for more research. Now there’s a surprise.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121653487/pension-plans-politicians-and-policy-wonks-propose-changes-to-nz-super
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May 31, 2020 8:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  National Super relies on stable Government naturally growing the economy. That doesn’t envisage strangulation by socialist takeover. There is only one solution. A well run show ill provide.
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:38pm
- Nickc2
  
  According to an article written by Mr Murial Newman, Maoris and Pacific Islanders want their pensions at age 50 and non Maori or PIs at age 70.
  https://www.nzcpr.com/democracy-under-threat/#more-32240
  A very interesting article and extremely relevant to the upcoming election.
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:48pm
Jacinda is not a Princess, she's a very naughty girl

It’s a wet Sunday in Auckland.

I am locked up at home shivering in my shoes in fear of coronavirus-19.

When will Beloved Leader tell us it’s safe to go out and vote for her?

Jacinda saved my life. I owe her everything!

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May 31, 2020 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Start a riot, that will get you outside, and apparently makes you Covid resistant.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:02am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  I don’t know about owing her everything, but after we have gratefully voted her back into office, we will soon owe the IRD a whole lot more.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:19am
- Fletch
  
  Have you seen the series of posters of Jacinda that artists have put up around the country? Almost like communist propaganda posters. And it doesn’t much look like her anyway…
  
  https://www.facebook.com/nztaxpayers/posts/2709767405793929
  
  As the NZ Taxpayers Union points out –
  
  For the sake of transparency, election advertisements are legally required to carry a ‘promoter statement’ stating who is responsible. These posters don’t.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:22am
  - pdm
    
    `And it doesn’t much look like her anyway…’
    
    Did you ever see an election poster of Helen Clark that looked like her.
    
    Labour are always consistent with these.
    
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    May 31, 2020 9:42am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed pdm; there’s a photo on the blog below of the “real” Helen Clark standing in front of a billboard featuring a very different version…
      
      http://guidetopolitics.blogspot.com/2011/10/creepy-billboards-are-creepy.html
      
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      May 31, 2020 10:34am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      No, thank god!
      
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      May 31, 2020 1:56pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Turn Ardern! Or at least plaster something over them.
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:12am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Are we even allowed to do that? Isn’t it graffiti? Someone should go around taking them down.
      
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      May 31, 2020 5:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Che Guevara, just missing the hat
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:33am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Appalling poster. If there are any Public Monies involved this is potential election fraud. The Auditor General should be interested as well as the Electoral Commission.
    It hasn’t taken the communists long to show their true colours.
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:42pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Ah yes, but can St Jacinda, having at last made it rain in Auckland, ensure that the water will come out of the taps?
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:04am
- MCos
  
  ‘It’s a wet Sunday in Auckland.’
  No it’s not.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:13am
- emmess
  
  It is safe to riot, though
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    At least your newly liberated 60″ plasma won’t get wet
    
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    May 31, 2020 1:38pm
- Paulus
  
  Believe she in Gizzy this weekend !
  Not raining there.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:03am
  - sooty
    
    I bet they booked a table at the local cafe after the last meal that got reported in Wellington.
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:22pm
RPP

Observing the protest/riot/looting in Minnesota nad it’s spread to other parts of the US, the possibility of it kicking off here in NZ too?
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May 31, 2020 8:18am
- Mike
  
  I very much doubt it. NZ does not have the same kinds of extreme divisions prevalent in large US cities.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:24am
  - artemisia
    
    1981 Springbok tour.
    
    IMO the reactions of the protesters were out of proportion, and suggest they were susceptible to strong leadership because of a sense of powerlessness and lack of life direction.
    
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    May 31, 2020 9:55am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Sheep?
      
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      May 31, 2020 5:12pm
  - mark15
    
    Yet.
    
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    May 31, 2020 1:08pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Factors contributing to the riots:
  – lockdown fever
  – unemployment
  – US election year
  – economic uncertainty
  – opportunistic activists from out of town
  – low levels of intelligence
  – weak leadership
  
  Riots may be partially directed by groups with an agenda.
  I can understand the motives of opportunistic locals looting “for free stuff” from stores where none of them work, but why would a mob attack a value-less target like the CNN office in Atlanta unless they were led like sheep to do so?
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    Other factors:
    – It’s Minnesota which has become a shithole like Detroit.
    – It’s warming up. This is riot time in USA. London needs to warm up a bit more.
    – They are effectively encouraged to riot by their mayors and congress critters.
    – The joys of diversity.
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:38am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Minnesota, one of the few states in the rust belt to go HRC’s way in 2016, Democrat Governor, mayor, police chief. Funny how it goes like that…
      
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      May 31, 2020 11:06am
      - cmm
        
        Knee deep in imported Muslims.
        
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        May 31, 2020 1:24pm
  - emmess
    
    Why would they attack CNN?
    I dunno – Irony
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      CNN need the publicity. Staged, funded by Soros
      
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      May 31, 2020 11:37am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They got it wrong. CNN probably helped promote the publicity in the first instance.
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:44pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    The US has had riots like this dating back to the 1960’s. I guess the first I was aware of was Watts, 1968. About 30 killed.
    
    The reasons are deep seated including legacy of slavery, civil rights, ghettos, economic deprivation, gangs, drugs, etc.
    
    They happen no matter who is the president, with the trigger typically being someone killed by the police. Then the riots spin out of control for the next week or so. You still see the damage years later.
    
    Will this latest round help Trump? Maybe. Often at the next election a conservative who is tough on law and order is elected. Think Nixon in 1968. Of course he was the change candidate, not the incumbent.
    
    I suspect Trump is in too big an electoral hole for the riots to fish him out.
    
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    May 31, 2020 2:59pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      1965.
      
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      June 1, 2020 10:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is anyone keeping track of all of the CoL’s handouts?
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2020/05/30/a-day-later-the-culture-sector-and-farmers-some-anyway-get-a-second-helping-of-public-funding/

and is it just the middle-classes (swing voters) who are receiving Jacinda and Robbo’s largesse?

It goes against everything the Prime Minister and the Finance Minister have said to us in the last few months: “He waka eke noa”. Because with this policy only some of us get to be in that waka while others get swept away and further into poverty.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/comment/2020/05/30/1203874/the-welfare-system-is-an-economic-shock
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May 31, 2020 8:19am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  They’re just looking after their rich mates…
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:28am
- RPP
  
  Bigger government. Bigger trough. Bigger handouts
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  So this woman advocates massive increases in welfare for everyone, permanently. Funded how? I know how this would end.
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:50am
  - giltee
    
    After the election there will be tax increases. Adern and Robertson said it themselves at budget time. They called it income redistribution. Here’s our leader comrade Adern in action:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:44am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Question: is it lawful to have different benefit rates for the unemployed? Isn’t citizenship about equality?
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:47pm
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So Trump was on TV raving on about the rioting in INDIANAPOLIS !
How can someone who’s such a dumbarse that he can’t tell the difference between Indianapolis and Minneapolis get to be the President of the USA?
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May 31, 2020 8:27am
- Nookin
  
  Quality of the opposition?
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:28am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Hell, even I can answer that.
  
  No credible opposition.
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Trump is President because he did not describe voters as ‘deplorables’
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:31am
- Dougal10
  
  He’s a New Yorker it’s like being a Londoner or a Sydney sider and maybe even an Aucklander .Everywhere outside their city is all the same.
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  He seems to be correct because the rioting has indeed spread to Indianapolis.
  
  https://eu.indystar.com/story/news/local/marion-county/2020/05/30/indianapolis-mayor-weighs-violence-following/5290963002/
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:42am
- Than
  
  While I’m normally the first to point out what a dimwitted racist lunatic Trump is, in this case he can probably be given the benefit of the doubt.
  
  The unrest may have started in Minneapolis, but at this point it has spread to a lot of US cities, including Indianapolis. While I doubt Trump could locate either city on a map, being generous he may have seen a report about Indianapolis immediately before going on TV.
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:46am
  - giltee
    
    Interesting for such a racist how much he’s done for African Americans but the media doesn’t report the truth.
    https://www.toledoblade.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2019/11/16/black-communities-thriving-thanks-to-president-donald-trump/stories/20191108098
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:50am
  - Ed Snack
    
    “Dim witted racist lunatic”, surely describes Biden, Clinton, or for that matter Obama better than Trump.
    
    Trump is of course a racist in the modern sense of the word – he believes in judging a person by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin. And that makes him irredeemably racist in today’s world because your skin colour is deemed to absolutely the cause of everything that happens to you. By the same standard MLK was a raving Uncle Tom racist, But there you go.
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:11am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      How do we tell Armenian from African American? How are the colour gradients set?
      
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      May 31, 2020 12:50pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Easy to discern significant genetic differences. African gene pool has been largely isolated from Eurasian for more than 50k years. No Neanderthal or Denosivan ancestry and a lot of other accumulated evolutionary differences too from much different pressures created by having no winters to survive.
        
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        May 31, 2020 1:32pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Most of us don’t carry around the lab equipment to attribute genotypes. We usually assign race by eyeball or listening.
        
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        May 31, 2020 2:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m sure Trump could locate both cities very easily. He has properties in both, and many other cities
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:40am
  - Nickc2
    
    So what’s your point Than?
    
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    May 31, 2020 1:07pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    ….are you perhaps related to dumber than, thicker than and stupider than?
    
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    May 31, 2020 2:43pm
- marleybob
  
  Because there is rioting in Indianapolis Homer doh
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:48am
- Old White Loser
  
  Same way that a Prime Minister who does not know which country she is in gets elected!
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Japan/China. Who was that?
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Would that PM be the same one that insists her government was elected?
    
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    May 31, 2020 1:09pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      With a short memory/aka attention span and no media to remind her.
      
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      May 31, 2020 5:30pm
- Inandout
  
  CM, it appears you may have jumped the gun here. I am slowly learning to research before I comment.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:05am
- kevn
  
  @Captn… It’s going off in California as well. You are just a bit behind the action.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:09am
- Fletch
  
  Rioting is happening around the country, including Indianapolis.
  
  https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2020/05/30/indianapolis-protests-business-leaders-call-end-violence/5291162002/
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:24am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Because the actual content of the gibberish he spouts is irrelevant to his followers?
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:25am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  You mean like what happened last night in Sweden?
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You seem to be unaware that a black man was shot and killed by an Indianapolis Metropolitan police officer a couple of weeks ago.
  https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/05/9789855/sean-reed-ahmaud-arbery-video-black-death-lynching
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:39am
- hookerphil
  
  “Officers with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department used multiple volleys of tear gas and pepper balls in attempt to disperse crowds of people, who lingered on city streets well past midnight.”
  How does someone who doesn’t bother to google “Rioting in Indianapolis” get to post in Kiwiblog and call President Trump a dumbarse?
  Hey, remove the log from your eye and you might see the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:08am
- emmess
  
  Not sure if that was what he was talking about but
  
  https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2020/05/30/indianapolis-protests-what-we-know-night-turned-violent/5290415002/
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:29am
- cmm
  
  Cp’n: While the “ground zero” is in Minneapolis it is happening elsewhere too: Indianapolis, Atlanta, LA,…
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:43am
thetiedarch

The nerd in me was very excited to get up and watch the USA launch astronauts from US soil for the first time in 9 years, and using a new vehicle!

Replay here: https://youtu.be/bIZsnKGV8TE
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May 31, 2020 8:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  after
  “The Obama administration cut NASA’s planetary-sciences budget by 20 percent in 2013, as part of a restructuring plan, contrary to the recommendations of the National Research Council.”
  Ruined health care
  ruined the economy etc etc
  Obama’s “legacy”, almost completely wiped away now (fortunately)
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:40am
- cmm
  
  Over the last two or three decades, NASA have lived up to their name:
  
  National Aeronautics and Space Administration
  
  They are an Administration, run by administrators for the benefit of administrators.
  
  Actual delivering stuff into space is work to be avoided if possible.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:47am
oldpark

They should practice what they preach . Could not help but notice with the charge in NZ these days by our Far Left Leaning so called Mainstream Media with the claim by them that there is a lack of Maori Faces in say our Parliaments Political front benches qualified or not to be there as long as some faces are Maori .
Leading the charge last week was some guy called Jack Tame from that Bastion of Political Correctness TVNZ . Could not help but notice that TV3 has a Maori face reading their news at 6.00PM well and good .Wonder why the epitome of one sided far left fake news TVNZ has two newsreaders .Yes plain to see both White . On investigating their Morning News programmes. Yes hard to find a non- whitey .
Same theme and news outlets putting the boot into the National Party for selecting the best qualified. Arn’t the so called Media Outlets doing the same thing .
Take the North Korean section NZ “toilet paper” Herald, their partners in slime the Wellington Dominion just about to be “Stuff” totally. Not forgetting Red Radio NZ .Etc !Etc!. Just how many Maori voices or Faces do we see or hear on any of the mentioned far left news outlets. Or even Universities. Not many ,to them they have the best type of people qualified for the job they are mostly whites . Maybe that has to change with the almost daily attacks on the National Party for putting in their minds, the best people for the job on their front bench .
Starting on June 2 2020 let us all start purging the Mainstream Media . Picture ,Print, Sound checking their Maori content . As well as all the flap jaws from our PC Universities with their holier than thou racial dividing comments .
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May 31, 2020 8:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As Asians make up nearly 16% of our population – similar to Maori proportion and nearly 2X Pacific Is component, we could well ask where are their voices and faces in our MSM and political parties.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:09am
  - Unity
    
    I just wish everyone would stop counting along racial lines. People should be chosen because they are the best for the job and not because of their ethnicity/colour. I actually brand the people who count as the racists. We should be colour blind.
    
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    May 31, 2020 9:24am
    - giltee
      
      On of the things my dear old mother taught me was that it doesn’t matter about a persons skin colour and it’s whats inside that matters. Sadly today in society she is totally wrong.
      
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      May 31, 2020 11:06am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No, she is right and will always be right.
        
        It is just that certain folks have realised they can make capital by playing groups of people off against each other.
        
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        May 31, 2020 12:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        However “Tall” people are superior in every way 😉
        
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        May 31, 2020 2:10pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Definitely not enough “Northeast Asian-New Zealanders” (wow! 8 syllables in that one!) on the TV fronting news and other shows.
    
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    Let’s adopt the American diversity culture! Got to have more hyphenated citizens in a country obsessed by race.
    
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    May 31, 2020 9:32am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    And Chinese have a proven higher than average intellect too–The order being Chinese, Euro, Maori.
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:54pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      One thing we can agree on: IQ scores measure how well you perform in IQ tests.
      
      Oh yes, the old IQ histogram (aka the bell curve). There are a couple of things to remember about traits that are normally distributed in a population, forming this familiar bell-shaped curve.
      
      One key point is how far out the tails of the bell curve extend. The classic illustrations of this are the IQ curves for men and women. Both curves have the same mean, but the tails for men extend further. This means that on average, men and women are likely to be equally intelligent; however there will be more exceptionally smart men and more exceptionally stupid ones.
      
      It is possible that a similar phenomenon exists with race. If so, then although a certain race might have a higher mean IQ, if the tails of the other population extend further, then the second race might throw up more genius researchers and Nobel laureates.
      
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      May 31, 2020 1:13pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  OK…National have no Maori’s in the top 10 spots.
  and Labour…for all the their shouting have ……
  …………??????……….ONE, incompetent fool ( so maybe 1/4 of a minister)…surely they could have found a competent one??
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:43am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I’d love to see a National advert with ‘Labour’s one token Maori: Kelvin Davis has achieved [crickets]’
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:58am
  - Unity
    
    Does the Maori Party have diversity in its line-up?!! If not, why not?
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:09pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Good call Unity!
      
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      May 31, 2020 1:54pm
    - freethinker
      
      Diversity in the Maori party of “The Special People” is comprised of Thick, Thicker, Dumb Dumber or just plain Nasty.
      
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      May 31, 2020 8:24pm
  - david
    
    RWC, are you really, REALLY, for sure telling me that there is not a single competent person amongst the 7 (yes SEVEN) holders of the Maori seats?
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:54pm
  - mandk
    
    Like him or loath him (and I am in the latter camp), Willie Jackson is far smarter than Kelvin-the-ventriloquist’s-dummy -Davies.
    
    Seems, however, that Jackson is a second class Maori.
    
    Who would have thought it? Another lot of brown people with a caste system.
    
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    May 31, 2020 3:34pm
- rockape
  
  I m sure the Maori content of the media is proportional. Pity most of it is in the CRIME section.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:27am
  - stigie
    
    Put Reti in the top 10 and Willie jackson will still say that the front bench is still too white or not Maori enough !~
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:46am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Willie Jackson…..the comical Ali of the Labour Party?
      
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      May 31, 2020 1:30pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Simon will be there but it won’t be because he is technically Maori, how awful to have to be categorized.
      
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      May 31, 2020 6:12pm
- david
  
  Oldpark – some get it right. Take the Mongrel Mob for example, a true meritocracy, they choose the most capable drug pushers, rapists, thugs, marijuana growers, P cooks, gunmen and prostitute pimps. The result is predictably a monocolour workforce that everyone from Government Ministers to Police admire and watch on with awe.
  Works for some eh?
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:52am
G152

No matter what the anti Trumpists can find something to vindicate their hatred of the man.
Those riots by the way are country wide, do we have time to explain the expression country wide?
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/marion-county/2020/05/30/indianapolis-protests-mayor-police-chief-address-overnight-events/5291156002/
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May 31, 2020 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  “Countrywide” or Democrat run cities ?
  
  And in some places the “crowds” are very small but the Media party cast them as bigger than they actually are.
  
  These things are the usual suspects . The Far left , dissaffected or unemployed youth of certain ethnicities etc
  
  The rest of the country presumably have neither the time nor the inclination to burn down their own neighbourhoods or to confront the police ( who have an extremely difficult and dangerous job to do, not withstanding the very occasional OTT arrest)
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:12am
MrTips

Wow, what an unhinged rant. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/417942/opinion-uk-s-leaders-want-a-disengaged-public

But she’s right………. if she’s talking about our govt here.
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May 31, 2020 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  Wow , angry white girl with major chip on shoulder.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:35am
JibberJabber

Woke fuckwittery,
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1266530528699854849

Bailing out rioters, tough shit for the families that lost their homes and small business owners that have lost their livelihoods.
Hollywood C#*ts.

This is the real impact,
https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/1266766315911622663
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May 31, 2020 9:19am
JibberJabber

This how real citizens respond,
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1266737051757617155

An ARMY of volunteers in Minneapolis helping neighbours clean up business damage. “Bring a broom” they were told.

https://twitter.com/MattFinnFNC/status/1266780532681199622
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May 31, 2020 9:31am
Fletch

Black leaders call out Antifa and other radicals for turning peaceful protests into riots in their cities.

https://therightscoop.com/wow-black-leaders-call-out-antifa-and-other-extremists-hijacking-peaceful-protests-to-destroy-their-neighborhoods/

As always, it’s the leftie radicals who inflame things for their own agenda.
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May 31, 2020 9:32am
Tasman Terror

I may have missed it in recent days but isn`t the Greens List a breach of their rules? I thought there has to be an equality of male and females. It`s lopsided in favour of females. Is gender equality ok only for females in the Greens social justice nirvana?
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May 31, 2020 9:41am
- Mike
  
  Graeme Edgeler corrected this misconception in a thread on this topic a week or so ago.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:52am
- yossarian
  
  Four legs good,two legs better
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:27am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  4 legs good 2 legs better. Some animals are more equal than others.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:32am
- rangitoto
  
  Rules are for other people.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Gender is entirely self determined so anything goes.
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:55pm
  - Nutta
    
    No, their constitution specifies one male one female leader. Other fruit salad genders are a no-go.
    
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    May 31, 2020 5:02pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Less confused on the right than the left it would seem.
    
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    May 31, 2020 6:18pm
hullkiwi

Reports in Stuff confirming that there is some above the law and there is law for the rest of us.

Confirming that the NZ Police and Crown Law Office have indeed been politicised.

The news is that the 2 Kahurangi “trampers” will not be prosecuted for breaching lockdown rules.

I suppose it helps when you are related to 2 govt MPs, one of whom is Minister of Africilture & MP for West Coast.

What happened to Lady Justice being blind, & showing no favour? Oh silly me, for being so naive!
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May 31, 2020 9:42am
- hullkiwi
  
  Africulture should be agriculture.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:16am
  - cmm
    
    Fitting though, given the corruption.
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:50am
  - Lizziep
    
    I actually thought it was appropriate summation of the mp for the west coast. He is turning the agriculture sector of NZ into Africulture
    
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    May 31, 2020 10:57am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I thought it was very witty! Africulture here we come. Productive farming doesn’t matter, return all land to the people.
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:01am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I hope the givealittle money goes to support the rescuers not the rescued.
  
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  May 31, 2020 6:49pm
Skippytony

Wow, who could of guessed?

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20200526/despite-confiscation-new-zealand-sees-most-gun-crime-in-a-decade

Not getting a lot of attention is it?
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May 31, 2020 9:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Guess the Govt and Police are a bit embarrassed. They bought back 87 shotgun barrels. That means 87 sawn off shotguns. Who has them? The criminal gangs of course
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:50am
tui47

Ardern has been wearing loose clothing all week and looking increasingly gault. Is she pregnant again?
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May 31, 2020 9:48am
- Inandout
  
  Maybe not her, but her nanny is apparently.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I very much doubt it.
  She needs a damn good feed.
  I know it is fashionable in certain circles to be scrawny to the point of anorexia, but it really isn’t good for females to be starved.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:48am
- Steve James
  
  It’s not mine.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:57am
  - Steve Todd
    
    For which she is no doubt eternally grateful.
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:35am
- DeepBlue
  
  She’s under immense stress now: Muller burst her bubble.
  
  She thought the election was hers, but now she needs a campaign. She’s getting out of Wellington and will be seeing the real mental and economic consequences of lockdown. She is the one who has to make the decision on Level 1 as Winston has stepped aside.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The thermonuclear meltdown is getting close. The bubble has burst, nek minut she will burst
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:05pm
- seismac
  
  Winny has been out of lockdown with a big smile on his face — here comes the COL again come Sept
  MMM father of the nation !!!!!!!
  
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  May 31, 2020 2:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How come the Maori component in the Labour Party haven’t hauled Jacinda and her Min of Police over the coals with the Armed Police trial?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2020/05/revealed-armed-police-mainly-used-for-traffic-stops-not-serious-crime.html

Don’t they care? Do they even know what is going on ?

“It’s about the individuals who made the decision that thought it was acceptable to trial something with no evidence, no strategic direction, no good governance over the whole thing or even consultation with Māori.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018748598/documents-reveal-serious-lack-of-consultation-before-police-armed-response-teams-launched
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May 31, 2020 9:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/shrieking-left-winger-who-is-throwing-things-seems-to-be-expressing-disagreement?utm_content=buffer5dd29&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR1IFbA1WSUqeG6KlwStbWadmvLv5NWqx_KqzWqolxFXbms0ttC2wY-YlNI
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May 31, 2020 10:34am
- oldfella
  
  Clever site and consistently good. Some real laugh-out-loud humour for those who appreciate it. 🙂
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Triggers a few who have no sense of humour!
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:07pm
Maggie Pie

As my partner is fond of saying, “There are some doctors that make you well, there are others that make you sick.’ 😀
We were having a lie in this morning listening to the trany and heard that doctor Bryce Edwards say, “…. the problem for Todd Muller is the lack of racial diversity in the naming of his new lineup.”

What the good doctor doesn’t seem to understand, it is more likely that it is this so called ‘lack of diversity’, that will drive people back to vote National in their droves.
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May 31, 2020 10:38am
- burt
  
  Bryce is going to have a lot to say about the Maori Party.
  
  How will other parties get any airtime during their campaign when every front page is ripping the Maori party a new one for not having a front line representative of the NZ population?
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:49am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… What Edwards should really be saying there is a surplus of talent in Mullers crowd. If the missing component of diverse can step up and show talent in doing real stuff, I’m sure there would be room at the table.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:49am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Simon and Paula have to decide if they are in Parliament for themselves or for the National Party. Paula seems further along the grieving process than Simon with her positive public statements. Once one of them (or both) are reinstated to top 10 then the diversity argument is lost by Labour.
    
    Both deserve to be there on talent, it is just how Muller plays the optics. Tick, tock, about 114 days to go.
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:16pm
- Komata
  
  Maggie@1038
  
  So you employ staff then, and it was telling you what it had done on it’s day off?
  
  (Just asking)
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:08pm
- MCos
  
  The other day Amy Adams’s said that ‘everyone in our caucus could serve well in the top ten’.
  That doesn’t mean that equal weight is given to the voice of all fifty five. In fact the inference is there’s a leadership team of ten influential people.
  Maori are the original people of NZ and 16.6% identified themselves as such in the last census.
  I would suggest they should be represented in the leadership team of the most numerous party in our House of Representatives.
  Jo Hayes at #37 is Spokesperson for Maori Development
  
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  May 31, 2020 3:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I see
    So you think Maori are so useless they need special rules so they get to be in management
    That’s pretty racist.
    It’s also a dumb requirement when in fact National just had Maori as their top two.
    
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    May 31, 2020 8:58pm
Don Beckett

Today is Pentecost Sunday – when God the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles and enlightened them & gave them courage to go out to all the world & proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the salvation He offers us all. It is also the “birthday” of the Catholic & Christian Church.
A great day for humanity if you choose to make it so.
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May 31, 2020 10:41am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Uptick by me
  I am (have mentioned many times) an atheist.
  I do not believe in God….any god…..
  But I understand that me and my beliefs are safer while true men/women of faith (the faith I don’t have) are around.
  A bit twee but
  Pass stranger and be well.
  
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  May 31, 2020 10:53am
  - oldfella
    
    People of goodwill co-existing in peace. I like it, RW. God bless, brother. 🙂
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:20am
  - kevn
    
    @RW… Sounds like a Humanist mode. All good.
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:20am
  - Peter S
    
    Far from being twee, I thought it was a well expressed and well thought out comment.
    
    Happy Pentecost to all Christians.
    
    Have a great day too, everyone else.
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m in the same boat. I like people of faith as long as they don’t ram it down my throat. That does not make me satanic.
    I live by my own set of moral standards
    
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    May 31, 2020 12:10pm
    - mandk
      
      Out of interest, what if the moral standards I set myself are in conflict with your moral standards?
      
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      May 31, 2020 3:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Uptick mandk. But it prob means you are a leftie! LOL
        
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        May 31, 2020 5:00pm
      - mandk
        
        @steve otto
        
        I’m a conservative Christian.
        
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        May 31, 2020 5:49pm
      - Michael NZ
        
        When are we our brothers keeper.?
        
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        May 31, 2020 10:42pm
- kevn
  
  @Don… The Antifa anarchists in the US (and globally) need to be reminded.
  Soros is past redemption.
  
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  May 31, 2020 11:19am
  - Peter S
    
    Unless he died without it making the news, I’d have to disagree.
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:40am
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps, as a Jew, he merely believes in a different kind of redemption.
    
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    May 31, 2020 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even when he passes, he has 5 children – all commies
    
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    May 31, 2020 1:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ooohh lookie here. 3 downticks. We have 3 commie bastards on Kiwiblog
      
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      May 31, 2020 5:01pm
- MrTips
  
  Amen Don
  
  Went physically to Mass at a church this morning, first time since 25th March. Awesome.
  Made a change from watching on TV in my dressing gown…….?
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It might make some folks happy that our Top Cop has God on his side.

You get a strong sense Coster has the courage of his convictions. His palpable confidence comes from God.

His faith is tremendously important to him, he says. “It gives me a real strength and confidence to do what I believe is right.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300003371/national-portrait-andrew-coster–top-cop

But it fills me with apprehension.

I will always remember Howard Broad stating on TV that “God will not be mocked” whilst he was in charge of the Christchurch Civic Creche case.
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May 31, 2020 11:56am
- Philview
  
  I am wondering how he got past Labour vetting on Christianity. Perhaps he was the only applicant they could find with no historic scandals.
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:28pm
- fernglas
  
  Andrew Coster combines his faith with common sense, humility and a determination to do what is right. He will not be a political puppet, nor will he be some Pencian god-bothering moralist. He is a very good appointment, and would be regardless of who appointed him.
  
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  May 31, 2020 1:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Are you a Police Officer with personal insight into Coster and his appointment fernglas or are you a member of the religious congregation in which he is involved?
    Remember, ‘common sense’ is not a measurable item and thus it differs between people. In short, ‘common sense is not as common as it used to be’.
    
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    May 31, 2020 1:51pm
    - RPP
      
      This is only hearsay from inside that I’ve heard but I was told that Coster was the political pick, he wasn’t the top choice from the Police force in general
      
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      May 31, 2020 5:15pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Not from what I’ve seen. Case in point arguing grey when questioned about illegal roadblocks. Arguing black & white when questioned about police sending people home in Level 4. Falling back in grey when it was pointed out that those same cops didn’t have statutory authority. Cherry picking of the law of the worst kind I’ve ever seen.
    
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    May 31, 2020 7:49pm
oldfella

An interesting UK insight into how the term ‘China is asshole’ is an understatement, something we’re just starting to realise here in NZ. They won’t change their ways simply by us, or the rest of the world, hoping it will happen if we place nice. We’ve tried that, and it’s failed. We really do need to uncouple from this regime in every way possible.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372687/Ex-MP-Norman-Baker-argues-hit-against-China-contempt-way-life.html
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May 31, 2020 11:56am
Maggie Pie

I’ve always been hopeless at ‘cryptic crosswords’.
Does anyone know who Judith is talking about in this tweet?

https://twitter.com/JudithCollinsMP/status/1266474111783456769
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May 31, 2020 11:56am
- DeepBlue
  
  Tamate? Robbo?
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:10pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Does Tamati have clout?
    
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    May 31, 2020 7:00pm
- MrTips
  
  Maggie. You can’t be that blond surely. Either Tamati or Robbo got the shits because she was the lead on the Gay Marriage Bill.
  
  And as I’ve said before and many know, homosexual men and woman DO NOT get on under normal circumstances. The LGBT unity is a crock.
  
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  May 31, 2020 12:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Look, I hear what your saying there Mr Tips, but to be honest, that’s the same two my partner suggested. So really, we’re none wiser as to who exactly Judith was fingering.
    
    And before you start on the ‘blonde jokes’, just check Todd’s new front bench…..Amy, Nicky, Judith, and Paul. I rest my case 😀
    
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    May 31, 2020 2:02pm
    - MrTips
      
      Lol. It’s Robbo. Tamati wasn’t in Parliament til 2017.
      
      Robbo and Louisa have been frenemies for years. No secret.
      
      And I’m sure Debbie Harry is jealous of you ?
      
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      May 31, 2020 2:55pm
- The Boss
  
  The fat controller
  
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  May 31, 2020 3:17pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The Queen of Parliment
    
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    May 31, 2020 4:56pm
Yvette

The National entire front bench is now Pākehā.
National leader Todd Muller is defending the lack of Māori MPs on the party’s frontbench, saying the party makes decisions based “on merit” rather than ethnicity.

I am disappointed Muller didn’t point to the merit – or in fact, the lack of it – in Labour’s Maori cactus now that they hold ALL seven special Maori seats, but despite that they stood by and watched the demise of partnership schools – or in the case of pakeha union championing Willie Jackson seemingly encouraged it. The schools were an aspect of Maori education seen by many (although having some problems) as being a success and taonga (treasure) of Maori, and indeed as such, are now subject of an appeal before the Waitangi Tribunal calling for their restoration.
Nowhere, in fact, do I think a cost in millions or whatever has ever been being given for running partnership schools – and that would be very interesting in the context that no one seems to have an annual total for promoting Maori language, te reo, with estimates ranging between $200 million and $600 million a year, but in the last Budget another $109 million is thrown at it.

A disparaging theory seems to be that Kelvin Davis is Deputy Labour Leader as a token appointment and appears this is born out in the number of times he isn’t used to deputise for Ardern.

Ihumatao is another point of contention where Labour’s Maori caucus has been utterly ineffective while expected to have a view.

In fact New Zealand First’s electoral promise of a referendum on Maori seats appears to have evaporated perhaps because the Labour incumbents have proved how ineffective they are, and as NZ First’s own member, Shane Jones, demonstrates National’s argument of “on merit”.
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May 31, 2020 12:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  There will be plenty of time for Muller to criticise. To have commented first thing about Labour’s incompetent MP’s and their ethnic background may have caused too great an explosion. Many are real duds.
  
  MMP has no requirement as to quality. List MP’s get a free ride but voters expect they are up to the job as executives of the nation. If not, what are they doing there?
  
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  May 31, 2020 1:13pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    MMP has no requirement as to quality.
    
    Neither does FPP.
    
    Only with STV can voters choose candidates both within and between the parties – and from among independent candidates – to ensure the best people, in the collective opinion of those voting, are elected.
    
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    May 31, 2020 2:25pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      FPP meant voters got the yes-no on any particular candidate. Voters are collectively canny and know when someone is not up to the expectations needed for executive office. Having good feelingz or being colourful was not sufficient. Their own personal policies don’t count either. Voters viewed candidates in the flesh not as names on lists. Testing for any candidate.
      
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      May 31, 2020 2:41pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        That’s an idealised view of FPP, Kev – how you think it should operate. Overwhelmingly, people voted the party, regardless of the quality of the candidate. (Let’s face it, if the Nats put up a donkey in Whanganui, Tony Stuart would vote for it.)
        
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        May 31, 2020 3:00pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I was a candidate in the distant past and know the scrutiny by the community. There were rare poor candidates who were replaced before voting day. Candidates then were much more visible and interactive in their electorates and could easily turn away voters. If you had a single issue that had to be subsidiary to the policies of the Party.
    
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    May 31, 2020 6:03pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Warming seats?
    
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    May 31, 2020 7:03pm
- Cactus Kate
  
  Yvette I think that’s a typo. I have never formed with a Labour Maori.
  
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  May 31, 2020 9:13pm
- artemisia
  
  Partnership schools funding summary here –
  
  https://education.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Ministry/Initiatives/Partnership-schools/StatePartnershipSchoolsFunding.pdf
  
  PS ‘Maori cactus’ would be more appropriate if there was any hint of sharp. Still funny though.
  
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  June 1, 2020 8:26am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The answer to the question “Why do you need an AR15 with 30 round magazines?” is on every New channel today.
Police being told by Democrat Mayors and Governors not to use their weapons of tear gas.
This can only escalate as antifa do as they please
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May 31, 2020 12:29pm
oldfella

A ‘let’s mock Muller’ story on Stuffed. Must be a day or so since their last hit job on him, so this is almost overdue. More high class opinion from the news organisation that was recently sold for $1.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300024155/todd-muller-confirms-himself-as-a-middle-manager-promoted-several-rungs-above-his-level-of-competence
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May 31, 2020 12:37pm
- fernglas
  
  At least he got as far as middle management.
  
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  May 31, 2020 1:05pm
- greybeard
  
  BUT ! To compensate, there was a paean to the new Police Commissioner. He sounds like Saint-material.
  
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  May 31, 2020 3:54pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300024155/todd-muller-confirms-himself-as-a-middle-manager-promoted-several-rungs-above-his-level-of-competence
Bwuhahahaha welcome to the world of burning Bridges, Mr Muller!
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May 31, 2020 12:42pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Who is Damien Grant? Never heard of the fellow, assuming of course he identifies as a fellow.
  
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  May 31, 2020 2:09pm
  - MCos
    
    He ain’t no admirer of the current government.
    
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    May 31, 2020 2:49pm
  - bruceavon
    
    He is a right wing commentator. A libertarian, doesn’t like welfare, regulation. I think I read he believes the solution to covid 19 is to let the businesses fail and then the world will emerge from the capitalist ashes. mind you he is a liquidator so that would suit him. I like him. Don’t always agree with him but you need voices that are from the further right in the mix. May have had something to do with ACT at some point.
    
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    May 31, 2020 2:58pm
  - MrTips
    
    He’s a liquidator with a chequered past, to which he freely admits and to his credit has tackled head on. He’s not a kook at all imo. Suspect more right wing than left.
    
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    May 31, 2020 3:01pm
- Harriet
  
  The next term of government is not about Muller working with Peter’s or Seymore – it’s about Muller working with Scott Morrison.
  
  China, US, Corona virus & tourism are the hurdles for the next 3yrs, and that puts Australia well in the picture.
  
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  May 31, 2020 3:17pm
Benedict Yu

And the media reaches new depths of bias.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300024155/todd-muller-confirms-himself-as-a-middle-manager-promoted-several-rungs-above-his-level-of-competence
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May 31, 2020 1:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And from the above link (x3)
  
  BREAKING NEWS from Damian Grant
  
  The media, if there is such a thing, leans left. Neither uniformly nor consistently but a conservative politician is going to face greater hostility than a Labour one.
  
  GOSH, that is a revelation
  
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  May 31, 2020 2:03pm
- bruceavon
  
  Really? Everything is biased if it criticises National on here. But you forget Damien Grant is right wing. a libertarian whose policies on most things is far to the right of National. Has written numerous pieces attacking the government.
  
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  May 31, 2020 2:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But you forget Damien Grant is right wing.
    
    I didn’t have any idea of his politics or his dodgy past…
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/damien-grant-opens-about-his-time-prison-ck-215975
    
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    May 31, 2020 5:33pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Holding the government to account? Someone has to.
    
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    May 31, 2020 7:07pm
- burt
  
  <sarcasm>It’s almost like the media have been paid to publish the government talking points.</sarcasm>
  
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  May 31, 2020 2:18pm
fernglas

“Seventy-six percent of people were still concerned about catching the virus, down from about 80 percent over the last three weeks.”
Have we heard our PM reassuring those people that if they catch the virus, it is most unlikely that they will have any serious problems with it, that unless they are over 80 with co-morbidities they will not die, and that in many cases they will have no symptoms at all? No, because they are using people’s fear to ensure their compliance. It’s a power trip fuelled by a moral panic. It is utterly irresponsible to keep people in unjustified fear in order to get them to do your bidding.
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May 31, 2020 1:55pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It is utterly irresponsible to keep people in unjustified fear…
  It’s tyrannical and unlawful.
  ☑️☑️Evict the Fearmongers☑️☑️
  
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  May 31, 2020 2:45pm
MH

Some of these American rioters are not keeping enough social distancing from or between themselves

could those 3D printers be made to make rubber bullets out of worn out tyres, just asking for a friend in the export sector.
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May 31, 2020 2:21pm
TWEEDSE

In the news JAG is distributing a $1M election bribe to women.

“We know women, and organisations that support women, have been affected by Covid-19. This new money will ensure funding for groups that support women and women’s rights.”

And there I was thinking help should be based on individuals. But hey, never miss an opportunity in a crisis to divide people.
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May 31, 2020 2:22pm
- sooty
  
  Well that’ll fix the period poverty!
  
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  May 31, 2020 5:24pm
Komata

fernglass@1355

Re: ‘It is utterly irresponsible to keep people in unjustified fear in order to get them to do your bidding’.

No, that is EXACTLY why you keep them in fear, and be under no illusion, Cindy, good and attentive Communist that she is, is enjoying the experience immensely and making the most of it.

It’s the POWER y’ know…
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May 31, 2020 2:45pm
kevn

@Kev…. Classic ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ in play.
“Thank you for saving 80,000 lives”
F.O.
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May 31, 2020 2:49pm
JibberJabber

Andy on Twitter, ……..LoL

Congratulations to the Astronauts that left Earth today. Good choice
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May 31, 2020 3:07pm
MrTips

You heard it here first.

The last remaining officially active COVID19 patient has been cleared in Auckland.

It is not being announced now as Jacinda wants to have a major media fanfare and adoration event either Tues or Wed.

“We are free, thanks to me” is likely the current running theme.
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May 31, 2020 3:34pm
- oldfella
  
  From Cindy’s upcoming speech: “You’re free at last, free at last, thank ME you’re free at last.”
  
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  May 31, 2020 4:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now the ‘real’ fake News starts. Play school TV1 first???
  
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  May 31, 2020 5:05pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Tamati knows how to talk to children and about the weather.
    
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    May 31, 2020 7:17pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/121560527/retreat-from-sea-among-options-as-thamescoromandel-plans-for-coastal–change

Is it not possible to use satellite-GPS to determine if seas are rising or land is sinking ? I am sure land DOES sink, we are after all on the edge of a tectonic plate which is trying to get under another tectonic plate.
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May 31, 2020 3:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Let’s hope Wellington remains bug-free.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/121681820/avatar-crew-touch-down-in-wellington-in-historic-flight-from-la
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May 31, 2020 4:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wellington has always had bugs. State Sector employees, worse than locusts in Pakistan.
  Could not resist
  
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  May 31, 2020 5:21pm
- wilderbeast
  
  I’m disgusted. One rule for the trendy Wellington set and another for every other Kiwi business that actually employs locals
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:00pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/121681820/avatar-crew-touch-down-in-wellington-in-historic-flight-from-la

Looks like American money talks as far as some government ministers are concerned..
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May 31, 2020 4:05pm
- Gravelroad
  
  It will be interesting to see how this is spun by the lefties in the media and on the celebrity circuits.
  But, of course, as we all know here in NZ, some people are more special than others, so they won’t even try to justify it.
  Too bad about illness, funerals and weddings and family stuff – “Oh, look over there! A film star ? “
  
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  May 31, 2020 4:20pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    God knows I need entertainment.
    
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    May 31, 2020 7:19pm
- sooty
  
  Better they ain’t importing CCP Virus!
  Will it cost someones PM ship if it does!
  LA does gave alot of it!
  
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  May 31, 2020 5:20pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/121667079/drought-weather-drives-roads-to-shrink-in-rural-waikato

This is being attributed to “Climate change”.
What absolute garbage.
It is simply a drier period of the year than last year.
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May 31, 2020 6:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will it cost someones PM ship if it does!

Nope,
because out of the woodwork will crawl an expert who will tell us that the virus was lurking undetected down by the Wellington Waterfront.
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May 31, 2020 6:41pm
- wilderbeast
  
  And it doesn’t hurt that Cameron is a paid up darling of the environmental left – running down the traditional Kiwi rural sector whilst he pushes his “anti-meat” agenda, which extends to insisting that catered in lunches on the film set are vegan.
  
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  May 31, 2020 8:38pm
wilderbeast

I’ve been a supporter of the economic benefits of the film sector in Wellington over the years but I’m massively unimpressed by the exceptions made for James Cameron and his hangers on arriving in from LA today. It just wreeks of the lefts adoration of the film sector and the “Wellington scene”. Jobs for foreigners etc when this government has snubbed its nose at Kiwi jobs for the last 10 weeks, was forced to let go a few myself, yet exceptions are being made for the trendy set. Disgusting. Fair enough if this government was thinking outside the square for the rest of us, but they plainly haven’t been. Different rules for the trendy set and the rest of us. So much for Labour being the party of the people – not that I believed that to start with
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May 31, 2020 7:44pm
sooty

Will the mad queen be inviting the stars only around for tea and scones after quarantine!
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