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lastmanstanding

Time for these Packer woman and the Maori Party to move on and get over matters from the 19th Century.

If the [deleted by Mod] want to play that game then lets talk about the Morioris and the genocide that Maori committed against these people.

Maybe the [deleted by Mod] should face a retrospective case in the International Courts of Justice over that matter.
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December 4, 2019 9:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Moderators: is the term ‘Hori’ offensive?
  
  [Mod: DPF has confirmed yes. Note for all]
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:47am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Wow, how times have changed. In my younger days (1960’s & 70’s) my Maori mates used to call themselves “Hori”. It’s simply the Maori name for George.
    This world is getting so precious – I’m probably going to pop my clogs in the next 15 years or so – I think I will enjoy leaving because if this keeps up, you won’t even be allowed to fart.
    I remember the line from the rock musical, Hair. “Stop the world, I want to get off”.
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:26am
    - Ehlana
      
      I don’t think lastmanstanding was talking about people called George somehow.
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:29pm
    - Paulie_
      
      As a person of Dutch descent I object to your appropriation of the venerable footware of our ancestors
      
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      December 4, 2020 1:44pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Oh, Don, you really are an anachronism, aren’t you?
      
      Even back in those halcyon days of your youth / young manhood, it was wrong to refer to Māori as “horis”. The fact that Māori back then accepted, even used, such a term when referring to themselves, just shows us all how (unintentionally) racist our society was.
      
      PS. You are about 78 years of age. I’m trucking along just a few years behind you.
      
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      December 4, 2020 5:37pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Steve, I call bullshit on your comment. Even today – the Bay of Plenty Rugby team call themselves ‘Hori BOP’ – same as they did in the 1950’s.
        Sorry Steve, you have joined the Woke intelligentsia who can’t stand anything that happened before the 1980’s that was considered normal.
        
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        December 4, 2020 7:27pm
      - Swifty
        
        Settle down boys – here, have some “Puha and Pakeha”:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CltZG7Cw0eo
        
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        December 4, 2020 7:37pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thanks, Don. I’m happy to leave it that.
        
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        December 4, 2020 7:45pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    DPF is trying to be woke.
    Shame really.
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Going woke are we?
    My old man was nicknamed ‘Hori’ in the old days because his name was George.
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:47am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Likewise my uncle.
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:23pm
      - chukar
        
        I suppose the famous book by Ian Idriess “,Horrie the Wog Dog “ has been burned long since.
        It was a really great war story!
        
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        December 4, 2020 6:35pm
  - flash2846
    
    Narc!
    
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    December 4, 2020 12:21pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Or as my gran used to say…. “hark hark the lark” 😀
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:55pm
Tony Stuart

Thank goodness it’s Friday! It’s been a bastard of a week, but I guess that just typifies 2020.
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December 4, 2020 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is the same bitch causing it too
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, you married her…
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trapped Mike – I am not married, unless a knowall like you knows something I don’t
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:33pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Mike needs his fantasies as his reality sucks.
        
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        December 4, 2020 6:19pm
  - IC5000
    
    Only another 6 more years to go.
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      In your dreams. UN is calling her
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:35pm
      - Paulus
        
        UN problem re her – she is not good enough and they would not like being lectured to – they have more than enough – perhaps UN somewhere in Africa !
        She would soon sort out any rebellion.
        
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        December 4, 2020 1:58pm
      - Inandout
        
        Steve, no fishing on the Hudson River and NY is not a good place to bring up a kid.
        
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        December 4, 2020 5:35pm
      - Robert
        
        Won’t be a UN when Trump goes back in as he will now.
        
        OHHH all the fools will say he won’t but they clearly do not keep up with the info flow.
        
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        December 4, 2020 8:50pm
Nukuleka

Multiple people who have sworn affidavits that they witnessed voting irregularities in the 2020 USA Presidential elections have received threats of violence and even death. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP!
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December 4, 2020 8:04am
- IC5000
  
  Noice reversal. Straight after Trumpists threaten electoral official in Georgia a new myth arises……
  
  Do you ever get sick of playing the victim?
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:10am
  - Nukuleka
    
    ‘Noice reversal’. Dear Lord. What are you on, IC5000?
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It’s just a leftist attempt at ‘humour’ Epic fail
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:36pm
- Paulie_
  
  If the authorities admitted to a few irregularities I might have faith in them. But their blanket denial of any wrongdoing at all just confirms my suspicion that the fraud is serious and widespread
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:47pm
- Juliet2554
  
  well they have videos of the fraud in Georgia today. Guess they didnt realise there were cameras in the counting rooms. OOPs
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:32pm
  - Robert
    
    Yep and there may well be more that no one other than the Trump team knew about.
    ain’t it fun watching the Biden crew put themselves in jail
    That has to be where those people in Georgia are going surely.
    
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    December 4, 2020 8:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

there is no climate “crisis” or “emergency.”
However, as Orwell noted, the language of fear and panic is one of the main instruments of political control.
https://lawliberty.org/sustainable-newspeak-by-2050/
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December 4, 2020 8:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I expect that in the next 6 months there will be an announcement that the importation of petrol powered vehicles will be banned from 2030. That will be preceded by escalating taxes (they will be called “climate emergency charges”) on petrol vehicles and subsidies for EVs.
  
  As a result, lower and middle income people will hang on to their cars longer. By the late 2020s, society will be divided into increasingly impoverished people driving old bangers and the elite in high end Audi EVs.
  
  I am still hopeful. People value freedom. I think she will over reach and there will be a backlash. But if I am wrong, I guess that is democracy. I know I won’t be staying here as part of the experiment.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:22am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Sheeple who voted for Labour will be happy to pay extra charges for petrol vehicles.
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:51am
- Jimbob
  
  Agree, any body with a basic knowledge of science knows this is all political. It originally was high jacked by the left as anti capitalism, now it is totally out of control.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:30am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    @ Jimbob
    
    It’s a cult. Cults are the norm in societies.
    
    Jonestown is the End Game.
    
    Let’s call it the ‘Jacindatown’ cult of self-destruction.
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:36am
    - oob
      
      How about Cindygrad instead? Less culty but more reflective of the political.
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:27am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and Biden may still win, but how to be certain?
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:51am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    Please keep the faith. Trump will succeed. He did last time and he was prepared for all this.
    
    If you read the media… and go mad as a result… perhaps you were crazy to start with to read the lying main stream media. Own goal.
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:40am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Biden has won. Please move on.
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:51am
    - Sigmund Freud
      
      lol
      
      Last election it was Clinton has won. Please move on.
      
      We saw what really happened.
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:09am
    - Don Beckett
      
      There’s no winner until the Electoral college announce on Dec. 14th.
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:29am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have a look at the CCTV camera’s output during the counting. They were forgotten about.
      That’s Georgia gone.
      There is more.
      Another election is imperative.
      
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      December 4, 2020 1:14pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    He absolutely isnt going to win. The evidence of fraud is huge. Listen to the hearings in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania & Michigan. They are all on youtube.
    
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    December 4, 2020 2:34pm
- oob
  
  Indeed.
  
  Check out the controlled languages Basic English which the BBC considered adopting for broadcasts in the 1930s and 40s, and its successor Special English comprising 1,500 words used by the U.S. for worldwide propaganda broadcasts since the 1950s.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:53am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s fascinating. Thank you.
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:41am
    - oob
      
      You’re welcome, Milky. And I agree, it is fascinating.
      
      As you’re probably aware or have surmised, Orwell’s newspeak is a criticism of the former. He was at the BBC while it was gaining prominence.
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:41am
  - tf78
    
    Is 15oo words all their tiny brains can handle?
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:32am
- yossarian
  
  I firmly believe that soon every govt dept will have to state as part of their policy ‘in accordance with the Climate Change Emergency’ just as they do with ‘following the principles of the treaty of Waitangi’
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:25am
Maggie Pie

Should we really expect ‘honesty’ from Television Game Show Hosts?

“It’s time to bring back THE CHASER!
He’s been backstage reading the answers”

#RIGGED
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December 4, 2020 8:10am
Yvette

Debbie Ngarewa-Packer [Maori Party, maiden speech] began her speech calling the past decisions and actions of Parliament “unforgivable”.
“I stand here as a descendant of a people who survived a holocaust, a genocide, sponsored by this House and Members of Parliament whose portraits still hang from the walls,” she said.
“Members of this Parliament who sought our extermination and created legislation to achieve it.
“They confiscated all our whenua, imprisoned us without trial and murdered and raped our women and children and deliberately engineered our displacement for generations [1]

It begs the question of course, While the New Zealand Parliament (to my knowledge) has not confessed to Maori genocide, why is Debbie Ngarewa-Packer joining the institution she must so despise?

I am still intrigued as to what “hate speech legislation” the Government may introduce, compared to Debbie Ngarewa-Packer utterances, but supposedly after the March 15 mosque massacres, where it seems no “hate speech was involved” – that was how Tarrant pulled it off, from abutsole secrecy and low profile – a hideous atrocity – but no hate speech, apart from perhaps a derogatory remark on an obscure website, “stop crap posting, for real action”, directed at his supposed contemporaries rather than any ethnic group.

Hate speech
Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: several comments; Tarrant: nil.

(How can Rawiri Waititi be photographed in Parliament, presenting above shoulder level a greenstone weapon culturally preserved for cracking open skulls) [1]

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/m-ori-party-promise-provide-unapologetic-voice-in-parliament
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December 4, 2020 8:14am
- mikenmildagain
  
  How can Rawiri Waititi be photographed in Parliament, presenting above shoulder level a greenstone weapon culturally preserved for cracking open skulls
  
  Indeed. And why, in this day and age, should a bludgeon be installed ceremonially in the chamber?
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The more skulls dealt to the higher the mana of the object.
    
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    December 4, 2020 1:16pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  The irony of course is that she is from Taranaki. The one area of NZ where there are Iwis that are actually guilty of genocide.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:47am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And the Crown has apologised to Taranaki Iwi
    (on a number of occasions)
    
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2015/0115/14.0/DLM6684840.html
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/crown-formalises-apology-parihaka-invasion-land-taken-people-were-captive
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-apologises-for-the-taranaki-wars/TT557RJ4DTKTIE3FK6TNY4YYEY/
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:16am
    - Jack5
      
      But Taranaki iwi have never apologised for the genocide committed in the Chatham Islands.
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:00pm
- Nickc2
  
  Where is our gutless speaker? Among other obvious discretions, he should have ordered that idiot to remove his hat when inside any Govt. building.
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:50pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Mallards always duck.
    
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    December 4, 2020 6:21pm
I remember when

Air Travel: Question to James Shaw last night.
“If you had to pay for your own air travel would you fly less often?”
James Shaw: Long pause…………..”UM.”
A very emphatic UM.
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December 4, 2020 8:18am
- MCos
  
  It’s part of his salary package/job description to get out around the the countryside & find out the lay of the land.
  BTW
  The centre of government is Wellington because of its central location because MPs have always been expected to travel out into the far reaches of the country & back.
  The train/ferry was a long trip back then and it would be now without air travel.
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:46am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “….expected to travel out into the far reaches of the country & back.”
    To minister to their constituency…How does a list MP have a constituency?
    
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    December 4, 2020 12:36pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  He sold his soul for a coin of silver. What do you expect? He is in politics to enjoy the baubles of power.
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:52am
Positan

With New Zealand’s total land mass (which includes some 600 Pacific islands) being a microscopic 1/600th of the world’s total land mass, any belief held or imagined by our political “leaders” that we, as a country, can take any sort of effective or remotely meaningful “action” to combat climate “crisis” / “emergency” is so absurd and utterly fatuous as to raise a far more important question: Are these silly and completely unrealistic people at all suitable to represent the country’s best interests if they are MPs?
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December 4, 2020 8:19am
mikenmildagain

Hey, hey it’s Saint Barbara’s Day.
She’s the patron saint of armourers, architects, artillerymen, firemen, mathematicians, miners, tunnellers, lightning, chemical engineers, prisoners, and the Russian Missile Strategic Forces. So pray to her if you wish Jesus to intercede on behalf of Russian ballistic missiles.
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December 4, 2020 8:20am
- 453mm
  
  Maybe Saint Barbie can organise a missile to convert Pike River into an open cast and save us a whole lot of time and $tax.
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:13pm
- Nickc2
  
  She certainly got around a bit. Did she really have to do so much to get beatified?
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:56pm
Simon

CCP calls Australians poor white trash and requires them to submit.

“Free Trade” so long as NZ submits.

Anyone here who prattles about Free Trade and China is a Quisling.
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December 4, 2020 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear,
  that is a nasty name to throw at our Prime Minister
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-signs-upgrade-to-free-trade-deal-with-china.html
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:03am
Maggie Pie

And if you do nothing else today – WATCH THIS!!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1334351957113311233

#STOLEN
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December 4, 2020 8:23am
- flash2846
  
  Once again the corrupt, dishonest, left wing so called “fact checkers” have disputed the claims. Even with such overwhelming proof.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:28am
  - Juliet2554
    
    Yes the tech companies have their time coming for them. Suppressing freedom of speech.
    
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    December 4, 2020 2:36pm
  - curry4me
    
    flash2846: ‘Fact Check’ = Dem Check.
    
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    December 4, 2020 4:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, has twitter not blocked Trump yet? The search for anything other than ‘I Love Biden’ is getting more difficult.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:31am
- Scott
  
  Thanks Maggie. The other interesting thing to me is that this post from Donald Trump on his Twitter account is moderated by Twitter who have posted under it “this election claim is disputed!”
  
  Joe Biden and his team get no moderation. Donald Trump and his team have been moderated over 250 times by Twitter.
  
  The big tech companies are just brazen in their desire to elect Joe Biden and bring down Donald Trump. Congress needs to act to remove their protective legislation so they can be sued for this egregious behaviour.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It might just be possible that ‘Joe Biden and his team’ are not posting disputed claims…
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Biden is about to find out he lives in a constitutional society under law.
      It’s on the cards a state of emergency will be called and fresh elections on paper required.
      
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      December 4, 2020 1:23pm
  - IC5000
    
    > Joe Biden and his team get no moderation.
    
    That’s what happens when you don’t lie. Do you think Trump has it in him to tell the truth? Even his own sister thinks he’s a liar
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:12am
    - Mrs_Right
      
      How can you live in this day and age and be so naive about politicians? lol
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:52am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Actually, all through the debates, Biden kept bringing up disputed arguments against Trump (like Russia, Ukraine, Calling war dead losers etc). He wasn’t fact checked on those unproven statements (to my knowledge).
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fact checkers only censor the right. Left get free reign
        
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        December 4, 2020 12:56pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      IC5k: Is that you, Batman?
      
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      December 4, 2020 6:22pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  I find it impossible to know whether the level of fraud is significant enough or not to change the current outcome but I do know that the voting and counting process in the US is a total shambles. How have they let it deteriorate into such chaos where fraud can be perpetrated?
  
  The USA, the socalled bastion of freedom and free enterprise is mired in ‘process’ generally rather than ‘outcomes’. They have lost their way burdened by regulation and political corruption. There is really no future for them. They are withering away.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:45am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Exactly, you can believe what you want whether fraud was committed but the indisputable fact is that their system has so many holes in it that it wouldn’t be hard to commit fraud which is completely unprovable afterwards.
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:53am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    How have they let it deteriorate into such chaos where fraud can be perpetrated?
    Especially after the shambles of 2000.
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The voting outcome now has to be seen as deliberate. Crims sometimes make silly mistakes like forgetting about the CCTV cameras in a Georgia counting place.
    Fraud, as fraud, may be hard to prove as that requires proof of intent but the stench of the operation must be quenched if the elections are to be seen to be fair.
    
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    December 4, 2020 1:29pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You could apply the same logic to NZ under our current regime and arrive at the same conclusion.
    
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    December 4, 2020 2:02pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    I recommend checking out the hearings on youtube over the weekend. They have been in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania & Michigan. Lots of affidavits & video evidence. It is undeniable
    
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    December 4, 2020 2:38pm
- SB2
  
  And if you do nothing else today – WATCH THIS!!
  
  https://twitter.com/Phillyguy60/status/1334352033357443072/photo/1
  
  # DELUDED.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:48am
  - Don Beckett
    
    A great self-analysis there, SB2
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    DELUDED – yes you are
    
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    December 4, 2020 12:57pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The Internet never forgets!
  
  Interesting that Sleepy Joe’s son currently sits on the board of ‘SmartMatic’
  
  https://twitter.com/AwakenedOutlaw/status/1334413339858886656
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:53am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Do they have voting machines with software setting “Weighted race features” per their manual where result allocations can be set?
    
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    December 4, 2020 1:35pm
mandk

Waiting list for state housing now 21,425.

Nearly 50 percent higher than a year ago, 300 percent higher than when National were in office, and the rate of increase is accelerating.

Why aren’t the MSM screaming blue murder about this?
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December 4, 2020 8:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m totally over this ‘climate emergency’.
  Why can’t we have:
  . A homelessness emergency.
  . A child poverty emergency.
  . A crime emergency.
  . A house price emergency.
  At least these are things that it’s theoretically possible to do something about.
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:01am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I’m sure the government will have a “conversation” about all of the above. Please don’t hold your breath for anything actually being done though.
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:39am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    At least these are things that it’s theoretically possible to do something about.
    Agree
    Solutions are simple
    LOWER Taxes to all…if you’re going to borrow billions anyway, at least you give economic growth a chance to catch up with the debt.
    Repeal the RMA immediately….reintroduce regulation, piecemeal when required.
    Reduce draconian regulation…of which an example would be “work safe” ( a misnomer if I’ve ever heard one).
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:57am
  - NoCash
    
    Hold fire… I have a nature calling emergency to attend to right now…
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:18am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Taking or giving the piss?
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:38pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Can’t seem to find the emergency housing benefit numbers…but seem to remember.
  2014- 2017…..average 4000 recipients
  2019…..around 18000 recipients
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:11am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Why? I can give you “50 million” reasons.
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:55am
- curry4me
  
  mandk: Because Cindybucks; and the threat of same not materializing if they are ‘naughty’.
  
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  December 4, 2020 5:01pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  MSM be bought and paid for.
  
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  December 4, 2020 6:23pm
Yvette

“By unanimously voting to declare a climate emergency we are signalling the … intention to put climate change at the front and centre of our decision making”

Jacinda Ardern? No, Mayor Phil Goff – as Auckland Council declares a climate emergency June 11, 2019 – 540 days ago.

Jacinda appears to be the 1801st entity, council or country to declare such an emergency.
Not really gone hard or gone early with this either.
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December 4, 2020 8:27am
- Ehlana
  
  Once upon a time it nuclear weapon free zones. My high school was one – voted on the year before I arrived, but they didn’t put the sign up until all the people who had voted for it left.
  Wonder what happened to all those signs?
  
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  December 4, 2020 12:39pm
Jimbob

Even I can answer many of the questions, it just takes plenty of research. This is their job, they get to know what subjects are going to asked.
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December 4, 2020 8:27am
emmess

Today’s response to CJ Southern and the other fraud deniers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBwW0FpMeE
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December 4, 2020 8:28am
Simon

Turn on the Rudy hearing in Georgia You see the video just played? Republicans were told to leave ballot counting at 10:25 and at midnight “workers” came back, pulled a SUITCASE out from under table (stacked with ballots) and started scanning. Busted on camera. Holy heck.

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1334567088657211394

WATCH: Video footage from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1334573392180211716

True or not? Shouldnt take too long to clear up. That is if the Dems / left want the truth known.
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December 4, 2020 8:29am
- Fletch
  
  It’s made Sky News Australia now.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/posts/10157865220016728
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:13pm
- Juliet2554
  
  When is NZ media going to tell the truth or will they keep repeating what partisan CNN says?
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:39pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Juliet, you should not mention the NZ media and truth in the same sentence. The NZ media are incapable 0f classifying the concept.
    
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    December 4, 2020 8:16pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    CNN [snigger] President Zucker, Mr Potato Head, is taking it in the pooper from the Veritas exposure of the propaganda that he made his underlings spread.
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:14pm
mark15

I’ve got some tenaciously fast wallpaper to remove.
There’s a thing called a ‘papertiger’ that knurls the surface,hopefully enough to let the steamer do it’s work,but I’ve already scored it with a knife to no avail.
Trouble is ,the top wallpaper stripped off very easily,but the wallpaper underneath that(the one I’m trying to strip) was painted over and used as a base layer.
I may buy a rotary sander too and have at it.
So that’s my weekend planned…
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December 4, 2020 8:32am
- Random T Person
  
  Jesus that’s depressing. I’ll be wringing the living daylights out of my YZ250X on the dunes and tracks around Thornton near Whakatane. Watch out for noise and blue smoke!
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:03am
- Sacha
  
  mark 15: Try carefully scoring the painted layer and then painting the scoring with boiling/very hot water. I found that the steamer didn’t work very well with the paint The water will get in and soften the glue, but it may take a while and repeated applications before you can peel it off. I did this in a doer-upper and it worked well. I did have to use a liner layer , and the slightly textured wallpaper that I used covered any surface irregularities. It is better if there are slight colour variations, too, as reflecting light can enhance any lumps and bumps.
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:28am
- Local Miller
  
  Well not what you normally see on the General Debate. Assuming it’s a dry wall, you may find it more cost effective over all to just remove the gib and redo it. If you sand it and damage the paper cover on the gib board, you are going to spend a lot of time and money skimming it to get it flat again. My son’s an expert gib stopper, and he did our renovations for us, 2 houses one about 50 years old, so I’ve been where you are.
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:32am
  - 453mm
    
    Yep. What Mr Miller said.
    
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    December 4, 2020 1:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Same when I did my bathroom. Vinyl wallpaper, the vinyl came off but the backing stayed. Near impossible to remove. All I did was pull off all the vinyl, sanded the backing, 2 coats of sealer then 2 coats of paint. Came out fantastic
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:04pm
- Nickc2
  
  You could apply the same logic to NZ under our current regime and arrive at the same conclusion.
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  Once wallpaper has been painted, it’s probably best to strip off the gib-board and replace it (speaking from experience).
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:21pm
Benedict Yu

On both my phone and laptop I have blocked stuff, nzherald and RNZ websites. I realised that with stuff I was often checking it out of habit and it was rarely a happy experience. I think I will be better off. The last straw was the stuff “apology to Maori”.
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December 4, 2020 8:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  What is your source for NZ news now, then?
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:45am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    None. I am only reading international news sites.
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:07am
    - Random T Person
      
      I hate to say it Benedict, and though I am to some degree doing similar, but we need to stay on top of whatever’s happening anyway. As ole Sam Clemens said, if you don’t read the news you are uninformed, if you do read the news, you are misinformed!
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:41am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Oh well it is making me calmer so far. If there is a giant earthquake I’ll tune back in.
        
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        December 4, 2020 7:19pm
    - MCos
      
      If you think the local news outlets are biased how can you abide the foreign ones?
      According to Trump they’re all shite & if he thinks they’re marvelous then they are shite.
      
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      December 4, 2020 12:36pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        There is plenty of variety out there all with their own biases.
        
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        December 4, 2020 1:39pm
- G152
  
  When it comes to apologies I cant wait for the apology to the extinct Maoriori peoples of the Chatham Island for the rape, murder and cannibalism they were subjected to…
  Sadly, neither can those long lost people
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:45am
- Miritu
  
  Better late than never.
  It surprises me how many still follow these fake news outlets despite the years and years of distortion and lies
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:47am
- Juliet2554
  
  Good. I did the following thing about a month ago. Sick of it.
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

oh dear…

Taika Waititi taking $$$ from Coca Cola
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/12/nz-dental-association-slams-taika-waititi-for-directing-coke-christmas-advertisement.html
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December 4, 2020 8:42am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, I am sure te treaty covers this.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:50am
  - Jack5
    
    Taika Waititi is notorious for having said, “New Zealand is racist as fuck”. He needs to look at Coca-Cola’s origin.
    
    Waititi doesn’t seem to know that Coca-Cola was invented by a Confederate veteran, John Stith Pemberton.
    
    A lieutenant-colonel in the Confederate cavalry, Pemberton suffered a sabre wound in April 1865, during the Battle of Columbus.
    
    Subsequent, continuing pain led to morphine addiction. To break this he experimented with painkillers and toxins until he developed the recipe that later was adapted to make Coca-Cola. Pemberton sold the rights before his death.
    
    Coca-Cola’s headquarters are still in the old Confederate city of Atlanta.
    
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    December 4, 2020 12:19pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      So?
      
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      December 4, 2020 1:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        So?
        So be it.
        Don’t be a So and So, Kevin.
        
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        December 4, 2020 1:49pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Taking???
  Looks like he EARNED it to me.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:52am
- Tarquin North
  
  I think poor old Rob needs to harden up a bit, getting a real job instead of being a professional woke whinger wouldn’t do him any harm either.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:57am
- Frank the tank
  
  Don’t you love it when the cancel culture guns are turned onto one of Woke’s high priests.
  
  Sanctimonious Prick.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  Bit of a dilemma there for our Wokists .
  
  Who to support , the Health Taliban or the local kid made good .
  
  Me , I’m with Coca Cola all the way .
  
  “Things go better with Coca Cola” and capitalism.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:03am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    This speech says it all.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMI_26oljqs
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:52am
- RJ
  
  I love the coke Christmas adverts, always the best on tv.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:33am
- Rocky Jnr
  
  Yep, as bad as Anika Moa endorsing Maccas
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:06am
- Random T Person
  
  I’m in a similar position, I loaded up on Coke shares a few months ago and now I’m getting a dividend 😀
  
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  December 4, 2020 11:41am
RW Capitalist

The govt. and complicit media appear unable to look back at 2019 and see what this incompetent govt. had “achieved”.
It’s all Covid covid covid
Now they are repeating themselves and saying “we’ll get it right THIS TIME”
Reminds me of another country that tried to reset the clock to year zero.
Cambodia, Khmer rouge?
How’d that turn out?
Maybe not the literal “killing fields”
maybe the Fields of dead jobs.
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December 4, 2020 8:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is National relevant?
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/a-political-party-out-of-step-and-out-of-time
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December 4, 2020 9:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Peter Dunne is past it.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:18am
  - MCos
    
    So are the Nats right now.
    No better illustrated by the John Key & Goodfellow getting all the attention at their conference.
    Even Joyce & Brash get regularly publicity.
    
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    December 4, 2020 12:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Interesting read Maggs. I didn’t actually see the Eritrean guys maiden speech, but I see where it says “…he got a standing ovation from both sides of the house”.
  My partner reckons they’re all virtue signalers – every bloody one of them.
  
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  December 4, 2020 9:43am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    My partner reckons they’re all virtue signalers – every bloody one of them.
    BUT “politician”, SOUNDS like a much nicer word.
    Maybe a new entry in the Collins thesaurus…
    Politician….”virtue signaler”
    Politics……..”virtue signalling”
    
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    December 4, 2020 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    it’s like a Stalin congress.
    
    The first to stop clapping got the gulag ,along with his family.
    
    Today the Media Pardy would be keeping a close watch for who didn’t stand or nor clap with the required enthusiam , and go after them as racists or something.
    
    I noticed ACT mps were making a big effort to look very earnest while listening to the two Maori Party mps call us all racists and murderers……..they knew they were on Big Brothers’ spycam.
    
    To re quote one doing the rounds
    
    A collective shiver looking for a spine .
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:03am
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: I stopped reading when I saw the name Peter Dunne.
  
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  December 4, 2020 5:08pm
bythesea

I came across this chart today – proportion of students attending school regularly.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/4208529/?utm_source=showcase&utm_campaign=visualisation/4208529

any kiwi bloggers with understanding of this – seems remarkable decline for all groups.
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December 4, 2020 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Decent article in stuff about this last week
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/123514144/marked-absent-the-attendance-freefall-in-new-zealands-schools
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:11am
  - Sacha
    
    Is 2020 the right year to make these conclusions?
    Nothing much is the same as it was back in 2019.
    
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    December 4, 2020 10:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Did you even read the article?
      Schools have experienced unprecedented interruptions in 2020. But school attendance was already plummeting well before the pandemic – and it’s a crisis educators are only just facing up to.
      
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      December 4, 2020 11:23am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        “Pay teachers what they’re worth”
        
        Seems that minimum wage would be more than appropriate remuneration for many of them.
        
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        December 4, 2020 11:39am
  - Allyson
    
    My daughter gets real pissed with me cos I wont let her be late or take unnecessary time off. Problem is the late and the absent are the new cool. Root cause here is our goal of equality of educational outcomes. She’s confused and I’m angry. Peace out Maggie
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:43am
  - Allyson
    
    My daughter gets real pissed with me cos I wont let her be late or take unnecessary time off. Problem is the late and the absent are the new cool. Root cause here is our goal of equality of educational outcomes. She’s confused and I’m angry. Peace out Maggie
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:46am
I remember when

Plastic Ocean Pollution: (ex Seafood NZ)
Professor Peter Ryan, University of Cape Town, has published research in New Scientist showing a large majority of the microfibres in the oceans are Natural Fibres like cotton, wool, flax and linen, not plastic.
His research showed only 8% of the ocean pollution was plastic.
The plastics that were coming from land to sea, he says, is better estimated at 250,000-300,000, not the 5 to 12 million tonnes often argued.
Professor Ryan states packaging washed up on Pitcairn Island from NZ’s seafood industry pre-dates 2000 – with the most recent from places like South America.
A comforting sign NZ is ahead of the curve , but a worrying sign that alternatives might be just as harmful.
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December 4, 2020 9:05am
- Ehlana
  
  Seems reasonable to assume natural fibres have been making their way into the ocean since humans first learnt to use them. Being organic material, do they simply break down like other organic material that reaches the sea (wood, for example, or for that matter, people themselves). If so, probably not a problem.
  Wonder what happens to metals?
  
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  December 4, 2020 12:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Royal Commission Report on the Chch Terrorist Attack

predetermined terms of reference,
a lack of transparency and
an inherent conflict of interest

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/03-12-2020/the-gap-at-the-heart-of-the-royal-commission-on-the-christchurch-terrorist-attacks/
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December 4, 2020 9:09am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Security camera footage of Georgia vote counters clearing out observers using the pretext of a water leak (investigations reveal this was a lie), then after they are alone start pulling out a few concealed suitcases full of ballots to put into the system unobserved. Two hours and multiple machines means that these sneaky ballots added are likely greater than margin of victory in Georgia. Recounts can’t detect fraud like this. https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334569329334083586
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December 4, 2020 9:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  According to GOP in the election in Georgia where Biden supposedly won by 12670 votes there were at least 143,835 illegal votes:
  
  2,056 felons illegally voted
  66,248 under 18 voted
  2,423 weren’t registered at all
  1,043 used a PO Box
  4,926 voted past the reg. date
  10,315 died before the election
  395 voted in two states
  15,700 moved out of state
  40,279 changed county and didn’t re-register to vote.
  
  That’s more than sufficient to put election result in serious doubt. Particularly the size of the under 18 vote which will be highly skewed towards Biden.
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:38pm
RJ

Nope no fraud here, the commies will be along soon to say nothing to see here

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334565994698862592
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December 4, 2020 9:39am
surfing

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/new-zealand-s-best-firms-a-long-way-behind-in-productivity/ar-BB1bBAfj?li=AAFtepJ

This explains our inability to provide housing infrastructure to build more houses and better government services .

Things won’t change until we start concentrating on productivity growth instead of taniwha’s.
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December 4, 2020 9:40am
SB2

Deluded he is found guilty and deluded he is pardoned ,

Newly-pardoned Mike Flynn calls for Trump to suspend the Constitution and declare martial law then order military to hold a re-run election – and claims the alternative is ‘CIVIL WAR’

Trump pardoned his former national security advisor before Thanksgiving
Flynn blasted out article by ‘We the People Convention’ calling for martial law
It called for Trump to ‘immediately declare a limited form of Martial Law’
Wants to ‘suspend the Constitution and civilian control of these federal elections’
Says only the military can be trusted to carry this out
Comes as AG Bill Barr said there was not evidence of fraud to overturn election
Trump continues to claim without evidence election was ‘rigged’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9010699/Newly-pardoned-Mike-Flynn-calls-Donald-Trump
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December 4, 2020 9:51am
- Juliet2554
  
  Yeah because AG Barr hasnt been privy to the fraud yet. You need to see the press release from Trump’s lawyers.
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:42pm
Fletch

This vaccine thing….

I’ve never been an “anti-vaxxer”. I’ve always thought people should have them, etc, but what I’ve been reading about this new covid vaccine scares me. That it’s an “mRNA” vaccine that actually alters your genes. A German scientist talked about it recently, and I’ve also seen other posts about it.

Not only that, that the side effects were so severe in some of the test volunteers that they now have to give doses of paracetamol before administering a dose.

It makes me worried….
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December 4, 2020 9:55am
- SB2
  
  But not a Trump Operation warp speed vaccine?
  
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  December 4, 2020 11:18am
- RJ
  
  This will interest you fletch
  
  https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf
  
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  December 4, 2020 12:50pm
- kowtow
  
  Media Darling Doctor/Scientist Fauci is questioning the rapid British rollout.
  
  I’d be worried too about a vaccine that’s ready in 1 year when some experts say it usually takes 10 !
  
  Bonkers Britain is so broken under Bojo the Clown they’ll experiment on a whole nation.
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:21pm
Stu2

I’ve suggested a few times that the Covid surge in the USA was going to overwhelm the hospitals

These are the Covid related hospitalisations

April 1 20.900
May 1 55,000
Jun 1 34,000
Jul 1 36,000
Aug 1 54,000
Sep 1 35,000
Oct 1 31,000
Nov 1 48,000
Nov 8 57,000
Nov 15 70,000
Nov 22 84,000
Nov 29 93,000
Nov 30 96,000
Dec 1 99,000
Dec 2 100,000

Admissions are coming from infections 2 or 3 weeks ago, so the recent increases in positive tests are going to push the patient numbers up still further. And Thanksgiving will eventually cause a surge on top of that.

It looks like they are going to struggle to cope

Source covidtracking.com
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December 4, 2020 10:07am
- SB2
  
  Of course not in the minds of Trump and his supporters and associated Covid 19 deniers who pop up on KB from time to time.
  
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  December 4, 2020 11:20am
  - RJ
    
    Who knew that you stephieboy who was the first covid denier on this blog, and who carried out some disgusting attacks against people over it was a trump supporter.
    
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    December 4, 2020 12:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

O me miserum

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/432101/disappointment-and-frustration-over-ncea-level-1-subject-changes
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December 4, 2020 10:18am
- lifesgood
  
  This is heart breaking. And so the dumbing down of NZ kids continues. My son took Latin and Classical Studies….loved them both and they have made him articulate knowledgeable and well rounded. His speciality is Science, he is now a professor in the USA. But, but, but, they will be taught Maori and revisionist history about how ghastly the white man is and that’s all that matters
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not sad to see Latin dropping off the school curriculum.
    I would have much preferred to study an Asian language at school.
    
    One of my daughters enjoyed Classics at school and majored in that subject for her undergrad degree…all without a drop of Latin!!!!
    
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    December 4, 2020 11:38am
    - Jack5
      
      It’s never been easier to learn languages by yourself Maggie. Youtube, native-speaker teachers on internet exchange sites, Skype, are better than classrooms.
      
      Latin is helpful in study of English, Maggie, and of French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian, too. Above all it can be a good introduction to conjugations, and so help with languages as different as Russian and Polish.
      
      But combining chemistry and biology into one subject, and physics being combined with earth and space science? Like axing Latin, it’s diluting the hard stuff.
      
      Hipkins in the interview hints six Maori-curriculum subjects will continue to be developed. This could be interpreted as meaning they will be be made eligible for university entrance next year.
      
      These include pangarau (mathematics), hauora (health), putaiao (science), te reo rangatira, tikanga-a-iwi (social science), hangarau (technology), and nga toi (arts).
      
      Maori takes on maths, science and technology? C’mon.
      
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      December 4, 2020 1:22pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Agree with your post but don’t agree with anything Hipkins hinted at…ye gods, what are we coming to?
        
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        December 4, 2020 2:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Latin is helpful in study of English,
        
        Learning any 2nd or 3rd language helps you
        appreciate the grammar and etymology of your first language..
        and as for parsley-viewing Froggie…I knew I was on a losing streak when I read Je suis as Jesus during a pronunciation test…
        
        (still I didn’t get a detention as I did in Latin for mispronouncing the declension of Citadel…
        https://www.latin-is-simple.com/en/vocabulary/noun/2481/)
        
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        December 4, 2020 2:54pm
    - kowtow
      
      Surely we should be preparing our children with rickshaw pulling courses and how to be good coolie ……
      
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      December 4, 2020 1:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Those days have long passed, Kowtow.
        
        They will all be soldering smart-phone circuit boards – today’s labouring.
        
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        December 4, 2020 1:54pm
- greybeard
  
  But at least those students who can no longer study Latin have an alternative:
  Māori Performing Arts is a new subject at Level 1.
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:54am
- cmm
  
  There is nothing stopping people learning anything they want.
  
  Just stop being a slave to the school system.
  
  There are, quite literally, hundreds of online courses for just about any language or skill you choose.
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    Spot on, CMM.
    
    In language learning, apart from sites where you can speak turnabout with people learning your language, there are sites where you can hire native-speaker teachers for one-on-one Skype tuition at very reasonable prices.
    
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    December 4, 2020 1:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The curriculum is not for all. But Hipkins as Minister? He needs the classics more.
  
  I’m going to have to spend more time on this education farce. I’ve got two teenagers in their clutches at present.
  Education begins at home.
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:09pm
Bobba Fret

I get the impression Jacinda has done her job (won the election with an even larger majority than anticipated). Now announced the climate emergency (as that will look good on the CV) and is already planning her move overseas to a cushy job sometime within the next two years, as she is going to come under more and more pressure in NZ (its going to be a tough few years and Jacinda doesn’t do hard work). As I’ve said before, I cannot see her lasting this three year term. In fact I reckon she has already discussed it with Robertson which is why he is always so smug and has that stupid grin on his face, as I reckon she will pass the mantle to him to be our first openly gay PM.
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December 4, 2020 10:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yeah, nah. Were you also one of the chaps (always chaps) predicting she would not see out the last term due to stress, motherhood, move to the UN, etc, etc.
  
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  December 4, 2020 11:02am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I think she would have liked to have gone off to a UN job but Labour would have begged her to stay as they know she’s worth at least 15%.
    
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    December 4, 2020 2:45pm
- lifesgood
  
  Unfortunately we were all saying she wouldn’t last her first term and look what happened. I have no faith, sadly.
  
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  December 4, 2020 11:07am
Robert

Nothing like a good roll of video film for evidence.
Fraudsters everywhere these days.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1334573392180211716

More to come to.
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December 4, 2020 11:14am
- simpleton1
  
  A senator that does not seem to believe her “lying eyes|”
  
  For a laugh , watch the reaction of this senator, trying to debunk and so vouch for their electoral officials.
  https://streamable.com/dyzvv7
  1 minute.
  Panic stricken? fingers slammed in the drawer?
  
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  December 4, 2020 11:53am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING 😀

Adolph Hitler elected for parliament in Namibia.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1334503907029098499

(Warnung: images may still offend some people)
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December 4, 2020 11:25am
- RJ
  
  I wonder if prince Harry will dress up as him
  
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  December 4, 2020 12:44pm
RW Capitalist

Named for Hitler
Looks like Idi Amin
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December 4, 2020 11:38am
- kowtow
  
  I have a vague recollection of Amin wanting to put up a statue of Hitler. The Russians who were big suppliers of his military gear talked him out of it.
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:26pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Threats of assassination are powerful and persuasive arguments.
    
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    December 4, 2020 5:21pm
RJ

Well said and he is right this is the only way forward if Biden actually thinks he has won to go

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1334350301562802176
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December 4, 2020 1:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nobody is dying from ‘influenza’ any more. How /bout that? The flu has been deleted. Who found the cure?
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December 4, 2020 1:17pm
- cmm
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
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  December 4, 2020 1:33pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not unless it’s a posting to Directorate retrograde Contribution, South Sudan.
    
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    December 4, 2020 2:11pm
MCos

Here’s a good trick. Somebody invented a fake candidate with the same surname as one of the mainstream party contenders. Enough votes were syphoned off for the other candidate to win by 32. https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1329869768954929156?s=21
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December 4, 2020 1:36pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Or alternatively, 6,000 people did a protest vote for a third party.
  Still ridiculous though. As I said, the American system needs fixing.
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:18pm
- emmess
  
  Why is that claim about election fraud not disputed by Twitter?
  Hmmmm
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:56pm
cmm

New “research” finds that NZ’s CV19 strategy saved 200 lives…

Really?

So how did they do this amazing research?

They took our populaton: 5 million. They multiplied it by the average OECD death rate: 406 and subtract our deaths, 25 and ended up with 2005 lives “saved”.

That’s what counts as cutting edge research these days.

This in no way takes into account numerous factors. To name just a few:
* Population density
* Location (only NZ, Australia and Chile are in the Southern Hemisphere and only Australia is also an island).
* Limited use of public transport.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-32000-life-years-saved-in-nz-compared-to-oecd-new-research-finds/B5FX6HUVRLWEOHBDFJXEBEP3ZI/
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December 4, 2020 2:12pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Well its probably a lot more accurate than Shaun Hendy’s model that thought 80,000 deaths.
  
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  December 4, 2020 2:43pm
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    Wasn’t that 80,000 deaths a day on the mean streets of Auckland?
    
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    December 4, 2020 5:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  2000 saved for 100 billionish hit to economy. Bargain, ~$50million per <10 year extended life (most who die are geriatric) , only about 100x higher than Pharmac funding valuation of life.
  
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  December 4, 2020 3:06pm
- JackRabbit
  
  They can’t base it on averages, since in NZ we live in separate dwellings, and for the most part we don’t work in high rise and don’t live in high rise.
  
  No-one died visiting the seaside, which is far healthier than being cooped up like caged hens in stale shared Hotel air under Managed Incubation. Why aren’t PETA all over this? 😉
  
  Go rural and no-one takes any notice of apps or sign-in forms and surprisingly no-one got infected by Covid-19. I wonder why? Must be something in the air.
  
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  December 4, 2020 4:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Plot Against the President.
I have not watched this, but will tonight. Thought I would share the YouTube link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiwpOMwPx0A&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3X5wYqR3EMXv5uarmGr74vbGpJ0YQvcQmpObJC2xnVoyGJA_Ufbrh8E4E
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December 4, 2020 2:16pm
Jack5

So Kiwis aren’t lazy buggers after all …

Central Otago orchardists have been overwhelmed by response from New Zealanders who want to pick fruit.

Summerfruit NZ chief executive Richard Palmer:

“There’s just been skyrocketing applications and growers are a bit overwhelmed.

“It is about sheer capacity as the numbers [of applications] ramp up.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/horticulture/admission-interest-kiwis-overwhelming-orchards
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December 4, 2020 2:25pm
- cmm
  
  Hmmm Interesting…
  
  “Stakeholders and the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) had funded a fulltime labour market co-ordinator to help deal with applications and place workers in suitable jobs but the number of applications did not necessarily translate into a suitable workforce.”
  
  Why do they need a Labour Coordinator? Surely hiring Kiwis should be a whole lot easier than dealing with all the paperwork to bring in foreign workers? If anything it should be way easier and less work if they’re using local workers.
  
  “The Government has further sweetened the deal for Kiwi seasonal workers on orchards and vineyards, offering up to $200 per week accommodation allowance, payments for wet weather equivalent to the minimum wage, and an incentive payment of $1000.”
  
  Aah yes, lashings of gravy…. Takes a lot to get the cuzzy off the couch.
  
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  December 4, 2020 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

Just driving home from NW. Heard some cheapskate dick on talkback saying “… if he took a woman to a ‘fancy’ restaurant for a first date, he’d expect her to pay half”

What a loser!! Probably from Mt Roskill.
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December 4, 2020 2:35pm
- Nickc2
  
  Go to South Auckland, she would probably be pregnant and you would be expected to pay for her and all her kids.
  
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  December 4, 2020 8:20pm
Fletch

Dad tries to censor James Blunt song playing in car for daughter, but it seems it is wayyy too late for that 😆

https://twitter.com/JamesBlunt/status/1333722552842260481
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December 4, 2020 2:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If you are bored you could call the National Organisation of Women and ask to speak to the man in charge.
That should keep you un bored for a while today
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December 4, 2020 2:37pm
Juliet2554

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

Like Trump didnt see in advance that there would be international interference in the election.
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December 4, 2020 2:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So they stop counting votes, but when 4 alone get suitcases of ballots they count again? Nothing to see here – be quiet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=keANzinHWUA&fbclid=IwAR2Q7rCWQ9VvnIDVMb5e5mK2KYh5BXM4ElFpf67kUKqX2UxWlKlU5HXUORc&app=desktop
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December 4, 2020 2:55pm
- SB2
  
  Much prefer the word of AG William Barr than some half baked cable so called news servuce.
  
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  December 4, 2020 3:30pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Yeah, no point watching the video and questioning what happened. So is AG William Barr a baker who fully cooks his cables?
    
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    December 4, 2020 4:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fuck, you been watching play school TV1 News again?
    
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    December 4, 2020 5:17pm
  - Inandout
    
    SB2, Barr last week was your enemy. Flip.
    
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    December 4, 2020 5:52pm
- RJ
  
  Ah Steve you can have video footage of fake counterfeit ballots being driven across the Mexican boarder into Arizona, which they have, and the commies still won’t believe you. They just want their Chinese owned family in the White House.
  
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  December 4, 2020 4:24pm
- emmess
  
  Boom!
  
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  December 4, 2020 7:14pm
cmm

Don’t have the time to focus on fixing leaking water pipes, but we can put on an awesome display of plastic penguins.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/christchurch-life/300173245/trail-of-brightlycoloured-giant-penguins-goes-on-display-in-christchurch
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December 4, 2020 2:55pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300175001/ports-of-auckland-fined-over-half-a-million-dollars-over-crane-driver-death
Can someone on this blog please tell me who or what will get the $540,000 ?
Where does it go ?
Where do any of these fines go? And why ?
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December 4, 2020 4:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It goes out of your wallet and bank account. After that it is payed to the Auckland City Council who own Ports of Auckland.
  Creative accounting – and you pay. Fines by stealth
  
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  December 4, 2020 5:24pm
- trout
  
  I am confused. A Port straddle driver is killed when his machine crashes. He ignored his tip alarm (which automatically applies brakes) – (he often did this because he was keen to get his box numbers up and receive a bonus). At the time of the crash he was using a mobile phone, and was not wearing his seat belt. But the Port accepts full responsibility for the accident and pays a fine and reparation. Perhaps the bonus system was a bad idea but there seems to be trend toward blaming employers when their employees do not follow basic safety procedures. Pike River would be a precedent.
  
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  December 4, 2020 5:29pm
RJ

National aren’t responsible for what people who fail to get into parliament do or say.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/12/national-s-upper-harbour-candidate-jake-bezzant-under-fire-for-endorsing-racism-about-green-mps-golriz-ghahraman-ricardo-menendez-march.html
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December 4, 2020 4:33pm
Bobba Fret

Nido in receivership!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/magsons-trading-as-nido-hits-receivership-further-trouble-for-giant-homeware-store/CESA32PKQYCIPJVMMJ4QHBYPHI/
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December 4, 2020 4:34pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35XhJe1gg0A

Barnier TRIGGERS No Deal Brexit Planning.

All the Fourth Reich ambassadors have been contacted by Barnier
To say that a no deal Brexit is imminent. The various members
have different demands. The EU misjudged the UKs position.
They hoped the UK would extend the deadline. They assumed
BoJo would fold. They thought the UK could be content with
being a non-member member. They were wrong. That only
worked with Theresa May. The SNP want to rejoin as an EU
member, whilst still in the UK. The EU don’t want to know.
They see an isolated Scotland as being as useful as a
chocolate tea pot.
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December 4, 2020 4:43pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/02/australia-joins-india-boycott-china-movement/

Australia Joins India in Boycott China Movement.

Australian lawmakers and businesses called for a boycott of Chinese goods this week after Beijing hiked trade tariffs on a number of Australian products.
A falsified image published by the Chinese Foreign Ministry depicting an Australian soldier beheading an Afghan child also generated outrage among Australians.
Sam Kennard, the CEO of Australian Self Storage company Kennards’, urged Australian businesses to eliminate Chinese suppliers on Wednesday, News.com.au reported. Count me in!
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December 4, 2020 4:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Scrooge McDuck.
https://babylonbee.com/news/capitalism-has-failed-us-mark-ruffalo-shouts-from-atop-massive-mountain-of-cash?
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December 4, 2020 5:39pm
sooty

It’s not their money after all!
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