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Happychappy

I wonder what our Prime Minister’s plan is now after hearing the news the Oxford AstraZeneca Covid vaccine shot has less effectiveness against the South African variant-Study.
News Zealand has a pre purchase agreement to vaccinate 3.5 million people with the Astrazeneca vaccines part of the mass vaccination campaign due to start in mid year and has also ordered 750,000 Pfizer domestic vaccinate with the first batch due by the end of March.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/02/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-shot-less-effective-against-south-african-variant-study.html
So has Jacinda Ardern our wonderful Prime Minister got a plan B or will she and our Health Minister with the Health Director declare this revelation false.
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February 8, 2021 8:00am
- redflagged
  
  I’m guessing they just have an agreement to buy them. But have they actually bought any vaccines yet?
  
  We were told we were at the front of the queue, but in reality we weren’t even lining up in the queue yet for those and we are still in the supermarket carpark waiting for someone to decide if we should go and buy something.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:47am
  - RalphT
    
    In fact in the car park finding that all the spaces have been taken,and wondering what on earth to do next.
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:11am
    - backster
      
      Nothing that an expert advisory group of cronies and appropriate Maori and diversity representatives can’t sort out over a lengthy time period to ensure they are appropriately rewarded.
      
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      February 8, 2021 10:33am
      - pdm
        
        backster – you omitted.
        
        At great cost.
        
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        February 8, 2021 11:34am
  - Happychappy
    
    So why did they say they used money out of the COVID-19 fund to purchase vaccines.
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:43am
- Tall Man
  
  She’ll “refute that”.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:56am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I’d love to see a reporter call her on this, just saying she “refutes” something is not refuting it, they need to press her on that statement.
    Something, of course, she knows full well and that they won’t.
    The problem is what passes for reporters in this country is dismal, none of them have the intellectual capacity to think on their feet and put this charlatan on the spot.
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:45am
    - Bob
      
      One doesn’t need ‘the ability to think on ones feet’ when you are given approved questions to ask!
      
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      February 8, 2021 12:17pm
    - oldfella
      
      JJ: just think of NZ *journalists* as:
      LABOUR PARTY OPERATIVES WITH BYLINES.
      Explains everything.
      
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      February 8, 2021 12:56pm
- KiwiSapper
  
  C’mon………..It will be the customary pouty face, head nod accompanied by the stock phrase, “I refute that.”
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:23am
  - oldfella
    
    Every time I see her move her head I get a flash back to those garishly-painted clown heads I used to see at carnival sideshows.
    If you managed to time it right when you rolled a ping pong ball into the clown’s open mouth, you walked away with a pathetic little prize.
    I’m sure it’s the same clown head, it’s just that with this particular sideshow the prizes are smaller.
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:40am
    - Paulus
      
      I did not vote for Her or the Labour Party – did you ?
      If so you have got what we deserve !
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:42pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  “Jacindar saved us from certain death and she single handed stopped Covid-19 in our country. Why do we need any vaccine?” – Aunty Judy shouting across the fence….
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:37am
  - Harriet
    
    Because winter will soon be upon us and the vaccine has cough mixture in it and globalists like Kamala and Jacinda think it’s better to do it this way from now on, everyone will think it’s warmer than it really is so they won’t use as much energy to keep warm, so clearly the benefits of the vaccine are mainly for those who aren’t born yet. Lockdowns, lockouts and train less and car less days all help too. Boomers are gonna die in increasingly large numbers anyway from now on , and the cough mixture will ease their choking. It’s cheaper to keep them at home. Robbo said. 😎
    
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    February 8, 2021 5:27pm
- Scooter
  
  Also Italy will not give it to over 55 Yr olds. Can’t be that safe then?
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:50am
- Happychappy
  
  Here is the Governments plan on vaccines and strategies.
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/science-and-technology/science-and-innovation/international-opportunities/covid-19-vaccine-strategy/
  Very interesting reading.
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:35am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Interesting reading ?
    Interesting in thats its lacking all critical information.
    Wheres the Plan?
    I still cant see one.
    If you do then please let me know.
    
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    February 8, 2021 9:45pm
- virtualmark
  
  This sort of possibility is why NZ has pre-purchased four different vaccines … because the odds are that are at least one of them will be suitable for each use case.
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:21pm
- MCos
  
  Any vaccine has to be approved by Medsafe & that one hasn’t.
  
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  February 8, 2021 2:00pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    What happened to Pharmac ?
    
    I Know, lets politicise this and take control cause we know better.
    
    Yeah Right.
    
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    February 8, 2021 9:46pm
Cobolt24

Meanwhile at Massey university…
https://preview.redd.it/cnssayfvgzf61.png?width=558&auto=webp&s=1e32de3bdc736cb799c3fd76538c22af7e8a5c5b
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February 8, 2021 8:07am
- Cobolt24
  
  Come on mods! I posted this at 8:07am and it’s still not approved.
  
  [Maybe it’s because I can’t be ar..sd clicking on your random link to check it’s suitability. Better things to do on my holiday time. Mod.]
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:52am
- Ruahine
  
  It takes a lot to look so good.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:28am
- kowtow
  
  At least she can display her expertise in her subject matter.
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:36am
pdm

Waitangi Day -take two.

Mondayising public holidays is bloody stupid.
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February 8, 2021 8:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I assume you refuse to accept the Monday holidays for Labour Day and Queen’s Birthday as well.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:53am
  - rouppe
    
    Queen’s Birthday isn’t Monday-ised.
    
    It is always the first Monday of June
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:10am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      I hope you realised Milkmaid is a Labour voter??
      
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      February 8, 2021 10:39am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So you would not object to Waitangi Day being the first Monday in February – it’s just the form of Monday-izing you have a problem with?
      
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      February 8, 2021 11:01am
    - C-Town
      
      Why don’t we Friday-is some holidays instead of Monday-ising them? Some people have to work on the weekends and usually don’t work Mondays so they miss out on Monday-ised holidays.
      
      Also Friday-Used holidays are better because its like having two Saturdays, whereas Mondayised holidays are like having two Sundays.
      
      I think that if a holiday falls on a Saturday, then take the Friday off, and if it falls on a Sunday then take the Monday off. Or just don’t take any extra days off.
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:33pm
  - pdm
    
    Labour day too is not mondayised.
    
    It is days like Waitangi , and ANZAC – both are fixed dates and should stay as one day only.
    
    Only woke lefties like Mikey would want different.
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:38am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Only woke lefties like Mikey would want different.
      
      And yet, both Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day were ‘Monday-ised’ by the Key government in 2013!
      
      (See https://www.employment.govt.nz/#gref / Public holiday notes.)
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:07pm
      - pdm
        
        `And yet, both Waitangi Day and ANZAC Day were ‘Monday-ised’ by the Key government in 2013!’
        
        John Key and his 2008 Government were elected with a mandate to repeal the excesses of the Clark/Cullen government. Unfortunatey throughout his time as PMl he chose the Labour lite path with more excesses – mandayisation of public holidays being but one example.
        
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        February 8, 2021 1:44pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        It was actually a private members bill by David Clarke. I actually agree with the policy change. IIRC DPF blogged in support of the change at the time.
        
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        February 8, 2021 2:25pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I actually agree with the policy change.
        
        Me, too.
        
        (I wonder if the intention is, that Matariki be Friday-ised — beyond 2022?)
        
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        February 8, 2021 6:33pm
    - Flossie
      
      Labour weekend is closest monday to 20 October isn’t it?
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:43pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Labour Day (not weekend) is celebrated on the fourth Monday in October. This year, it is 25 October.
        
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        February 8, 2021 6:47pm
- MCos
  
  Sundayize Saturdays plus annual leave, sick leave, all public holidays and then delete all the Sundays.
  Don’t go home at all.
  While we’re at it get rid of smoko breaks, lunch breaks, pay days, office shouts, secret Santa
  No retirement age work, work, work
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:32am
  - IC5000
    
    Have you ever thought of standing as an ACT candidate?
    
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    February 8, 2021 12:48pm
- artemisia
  
  Wellington libraries – closed Saturday and Monday. Not sure that was the intention of Mondayising. Just ratepayers money though so all good.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

My old boss reflects:

“I could not understand why anyone would see putting your head between two other men’s buttocks as being the high point of New Zealand culture. I was staggered by it. But I never said that, of course – I just buried those thoughts.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/new-zealand-men-dont-have-to-be-stuck-in-roles-that-risk-harm-to-themselves-and-others
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February 8, 2021 8:26am
- cmm
  
  Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:09am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    50% Sheeple are currently in that position.
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:40am
- kowtow
  
  Weird article . Even has the mark of the newly minted Red Guard in the Cultural Revolution , self criticism ……
  
  “But both of us had been guilty of forms of everyday sexism – although one of us admits to more than the other, possibly because he’s older.”
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:21am
  - Harriet
    
    They are going ‘Full Victorian’ and trying to shut down all debate around sexuality, other than what the media, health and education say. They don’t want you to ever mention coitus again.
    
    In other words you are to believe that if you are ‘informing’ someone about a sexual matter you are in fact ‘transforming’ someone. They call that ‘change therapy’ – and want to make it illegal.
    
    We call it getting rid of free speech by communists. 😎
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:00am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      It’s weird amalgam of ultra-prudishness and hyper-sexualisation, just one of the many inherent contradictions to be found in the dominant liberal consensus.
      
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      February 8, 2021 12:46pm
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, now women are doing it, would your old boss have the same opinion, or find the female version kinda … sexy?
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now that you ask…
    I can’t help but notice that the 2 images selected to go with the Women in Rugby entry in Te Ara prominently display rear ends…
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/40045/women-playing-mens-rugby-team
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/40046/farah-palmer
    
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    February 8, 2021 12:58pm
New Zealander

Matthew Tukaki was recently announced as chairperson of the Oranga Tamariki (Ministry of Children) Ministerial Advisory Board.

Over the past few days he has launched abusive and bullying tirades against several current and former Members of Parliament. I encourage you all to take a look for yourselves.

Mr Tukaki states that he is a “suicide prevention advocate”, yet publicly stoops to immature and possibly drunken name-calling and mud-slinging at public officials.

This is not the type of person who should be guiding how we manage our most vulnerable children.

Minister Kelvin Davis should immediately remove Matthew Tukaki from the advisory board.
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February 8, 2021 8:39am
- redflagged
  
  Minister Kelvin Davis should immediately remove Matthew Tukaki from the advisory board.
  
  That’s not going to happen, Tukaki is a cog in Labour and Maori politics. Just look at his twitter.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Do you have links to these “abusive and bullying tirades against several current and former Members of Parliament” and “immature and possibly drunken name-calling and mud-slinging at public officials”?
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:16am
  - New Zealander
    
    Take a look on his public Facebook page.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/218999628306045/posts/1497973777075284/
    
    https://www.facebook.com/218999628306045/posts/1499469446925717/
    
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    February 8, 2021 12:54pm
- oldfella
  
  NZer, I’m sure if Mr Tukaki was white, he’d be gone in a heartbeat. There must be something else at play. Hmm.
  
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  February 8, 2021 12:03pm
- giltee
  
  Oh yes but he’s the right ethnicity so it doesn’t matter
  
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  February 8, 2021 12:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are you sure you have correctly identified the person who has been making abusive and bullying tirades?
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:10pm
  - New Zealander
    
    Yes.
    
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    February 8, 2021 1:25pm
- kloyd0306
  
  It happens constantly:
  
  All the new Maori names for government departments have to be translated – into English!
  
  This renaming program is a huge waste of taxpayers’ money because it is a huge fail.
  
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  February 8, 2021 2:08pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Are mods taking a leaf out of Facebook’s, Twitter’s and Google’s censorship leanings?
  
  Why was my post deleted?
  
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  February 8, 2021 6:08pm
Swifty

Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race.

We have become saturated in it.

Check this lead article on Stuff today:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/our-truth/123894902/our-truth-t-mtou-pono-migrants-of-colour-seen-as-forever-foreigners

Look at all the sweeping claims and assertions put up about what NZers think, or thought, over time. About what we supposedly felt about our Chinese or Indian, or other ‘non-white’ fellow community members.

“They’re not one of us”, “they always will be foreigners..” etc etc.

What disgraceful slurs on the good people of NZ. Not once in my 55 years living in NZ have I ever held those views or anything like them. The idea that my Chinese or Indian childhood mates were ‘not one of us’, or any ‘less’ of a New Zealander, was abhorrent then as it is now.

And just by the way if I went to live in rural China or India or Japan or Korea do we really not think that there would not be an element within those countries who would regard me as a foreigner? Not ‘one of us?’ You’d be a mug to think that – so it is not a ‘white’ thing it is, I maintain, hard-wired into us through evolution – suspicion of the ‘other’.

I really think we’ve reached a point in this country where our preoccupation with race has become unhealthy as is the attempt to make me be responsible and feel guilty for things I did not do or views I have never held.

I reserve special contempt though for the comment of Dr David Tokiharu Mayeda – “But ancestors of Pākehā migrants brought with them a level of power, enabling them to change the systems in Aotearoa to focus on economy and profit. This meant other migrant groups were working within the confines of systems created by European settlers.”

He says it like this is a bad thing? Immigrants to NZ enjoy one of the best countries in the world; prosperous, generous, follows the rule of law, great public institutions, largely corruption-free, power changes hands peacefully, largely conflict free, freedom of speech etc etc etc – but because these are ‘European’ systems they deserve spitting on? Or that other systems will bring better results?

Finally, I notice that Dr David Tokiharu Mayeda does his spitting while occupying his taxpayer-funded University position. A well-padded beneficiary of a ‘European system’ if I’ve ever seen one. Better if he went out and learnt plumbing or how to fix cars. You know, actually do something useful for a change.
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February 8, 2021 8:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Totally agree. New Zealand was not going to stay undiscovered. Maori got the absolute best case scenario.
  
  The second best scenario would have been the French. Today New Zealand would be like New Caledonia. A greatly reduced Maori population with zero support and no Treaty. It would have been “Congratulations you are French”.
  
  Third best scenario would have been disorganised occupation by a number of countries. Think PNG today.
  
  Worst case scenario. The Spanish. All Maori would have been killed.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:38am
  - Swifty
    
    Yep – good points Benedict.
    
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    February 8, 2021 9:58am
  - rouppe
    
    Errr every other country colonised by the French is pretty poor. Vietnam, Algeria, Senegal, Ivory Coast… Who’d want to live there now.
    
    New Caledonia is so nice because it is still controlled by the French, and everyone there abides by one, French, law
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:18am
    - Ruahine
      
      Rouppe.
      
      Not so sure about Vietnam. You are right about the others though.
      
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      February 8, 2021 11:39am
  - MCos
    
    Some countries were never colonized.
    Thailand/Siam is one of them. It’s been invaded by whatever Burma was called at the time, but kicked the bastards out.
    NZ was settled by those who came to be known as Maori. Pre treaty the British may have considered it a colony, but most people didn’t know what a colony was.
    Anyone can stick a flag in the ground and say they claim the land or whatever. All you buggers better read up about property law.
    NZ never even came close to being a French, Spanish, German, Japanese colony so there’s no point in waving that big stick.
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:01am
    - kowtow
      
      From te ara.
      
      ‘In the meantime, and in order that he might reinforce his prior British claim by an act of Government in the district, Hobson dispatched HMS Britomart with two Magistrates to Akaroa. Lavaud followed leisurely and arrived five days later than the Britomart. ‘
      
      Flags , Acts and magistrates do matter. And the Frogs were close to making NZ ( or at least part of it) a colony , but not nearly close enough.
      
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/akaroa-french-settlement-at
      
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      February 8, 2021 11:33am
      - MCos
        
        Further on
        “In this connection it must be admitted that the “race to Akaroa” between the Britomart and the Aube for the possession of the South Island is, as McLintock says, “nothing more than a particularly tenacious legend of the period” which has no basis in fact.”
        
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        February 8, 2021 1:17pm
    - Cobolt24
      
      What if the British never came? You’d think it’d sit untouched by the outside world in perpetuity like North Sentinel Island?
      
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      February 8, 2021 11:34am
      - MCos
        
        “What if the British never came?”
        
        Well, they did come didn’t they, but if they hadn’t I, for one, wouldn’t be here either.
        
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        February 8, 2021 1:06pm
    - kowtow
      
      Mcos
      
      He’s talking specifically about the myth o f the race , there was no race as the Froggy capt took a leisurely sail to Akaroa . He’s not saying “it didn’t happen” .it did happen , the Frogs were on the way to colonise Akaroa.
      
      Please read the authors intent , not your own bias.
      
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      February 8, 2021 6:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Did they interview any “White” immigrants?
  
  To his dying day (and beyond) my father was referred to as a scot, a scotsman, scottish, a Jock..even though he had lived in the country for 50+ years and served in the NZ Forces.
  
  The F-in-law was always referred to as “the German” at his P.N. work-place. My husband is frequently asked how long he has lived in NZ (born & bred in P.N.).
  Crikey, I’ve even had trolls on this blog querying how long I have lived in NZ.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:46am
  - Swifty
    
    Indeed Maggy.
    
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    February 8, 2021 9:55am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “This meant other migrant groups were working within the confines of systems created by European settlers”
  
  Until perhaps as late as even the early 2000s, apart from the odd Chinese, there were effectively no non-European settlers to New Zealand. This was deliberate policy dating from our inception and was based empirically on the comparative states of affairs in, say, Africa versus Europe. Our forebears correctly did not want anyone from stock who had not demonstrated any inclination or ability to build and sustain a modern society. It may well have been a racist policy, but it had the desired effect: we transferred our Europeanness to what was an undeveloped land mass, and duly became an advanced nation in no time.
  
  We used to know that race is real meaning that real differences between races exist and therefore altering the racial balance in a territory will have tangible negative effects. The same view of immigration was held in the the US. This myth that it was “always a nation of immigrants” is true to some extent (certainly, post late 18th century when the US actually became a nation one could emigrate to), but until the 1960s, they did not take effectively any people from non-European countries.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What about Indian settlers?
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:38am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      No Indians settled NZ as far as I am aware. Lots of them have since immigrated to enjoy the benefits flowing from settlement by predominantly Europeans, but like the other late-comers, the party of nationhood was already in full swing and in excellent working order when they turned up.
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:12pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        They were there in Wellington when I was at primary school. The families were well settled and entrepreneurial.
        
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        February 8, 2021 7:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The first Indians arrived and settled in NZ in the 2nd decade of the 19th Century… between 1810-1820.
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/indians/page-2
        
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        February 8, 2021 7:17pm
  - IC5000
    
    Forgetting of course that the Italians and Irish were not seen as ‘white’ until the 1960 in the US.
    
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    February 8, 2021 12:53pm
    - kowtow
      
      Rubbish.
      
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      February 8, 2021 6:59pm
- Cobolt24
  
  The stuff story yesterday about the execution of a murderer was ridiculous too. They claimed Maori had no concept of and not agreed to ‘European justice’ and execution for a heinous crime was a foreign concept. Despite, the tribal warfare, slaving and cannibalism and so on.
  
  They’ve become worse than RNZ.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:15am
  - redflagged
    
    Fake news according to the new History Curriculum. The Musket Wars and 25% of Maori killed, enslaved and eaten by other Maori isn’t a good look for blaming everything on colonization to this day nearly 180 years later.
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Executees were often kept as a living larder until required. Waste not want not.
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:41am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Staked out on the foreshore so the incoming tide would tenderise the meat…
      Tendons severed to prevent escape…
      Tattooed and killed to order to sell/barter…
      Baby girls killed when times were tough because were worth more…
      
      Yeah, colonisation was a terrible thing
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:12pm
- GJM
  
  If those immigrants don’t want to live in the confines of a European system, the airport is still opn. Don’t come here and complain it is not like where you left.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:17am
- kowtow
  
  The unrelentingly negative and anti colonial tone of these articles is tiresome in the least but actually divisive and selective in intent .
  
  It is dishonest ,demeaning and leaves the reader no wiser , other than having been sprayed in neo Marxist pap.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:27am
- redflagged
  
  When a whole series of articles are called “Our Truth”, that’s an alarm bell for lazy personal opinion.
  
  They are usually about things that happened in their life are not my fault, it’s always someone else’s doing or they were discriminated against, not because of a bad decision (or series/life of decisions) or lack of effort.
  
  Unless it is good, then it was their doing.
  
  I’d just go on with your day. I’ve yet to see a pou tiaki article get in the top 10 most viewed, most popular or editors choice on Stuffed.co.nz ever, despite the effort and marketing they put into it. Mainly as it’s pathetic opinion with zero answers.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:33am
  - chukar
    
    Democracy is about every eligible NZ resident having similar rights.
    It is not about 13.7% of the population, based on indistinct historical views receiving preferential treatment, or enshrined privilege .
    86.3 of NZ residents whatever their history have rights too.
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:13am
    - Unity
      
      Also, Maori today are not the people who signed the Treaty. Through inter-marriage which has been happening for a very long time, they all have other ancestry which makes a mockery of the whole sorry debacle. We should all be getting on as New Zealanders and put all the other nonsense to rest. It’s fraudulent and they are actually claiming against a part of their own ancestry. Totally ridiculous and is actually creating a big injustice for the rest of us.
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:32pm
- artemisia
  
  One of my forebears came out from England in the mid 19th century and brought a flock of Romneys with him. Married local, raised a bunch of excellent farmers who also married local. Many of their offspring are quietly getting on with farming to this day. And by the way most of them are very brown National voters.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:59am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    So your forebears are responsible for founding the Mormon community in New Zealand?
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:55am
- Gravelroad
  
  When I started my first job at a small town newspaper many years ago, behind my desk was a notice board which displayed various clippings from copies of the paper dating back to the 1880’s.
  One was a classified advertisement circa 1880 which stated:
  “ Wanted: laundry workers. Nelsonians and Chinese need not apply.”
  True story.
  
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  February 8, 2021 12:37pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Dr Mayeda is semantically confused: “If you’re from a European background, you’re from a migrant community. Your ancestors may have been here for a long time but you’re still migrants.”
  
  Nope.
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:37pm
Albert_Ross

Whatever happened to the End of Life Choice Act? Is it now in force, has anybody taken advantage of it?
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February 8, 2021 8:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It does not come into effect until 12 months after the referendum results were declared.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:39am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Thanks
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:04am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Yes, on Saturday 6 November 2021, as I recall.
    
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    February 8, 2021 1:25pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Cannabis Chloe will be fuming that her referendum didn’t win…..
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Cannabis Chloe will get here soon anyway, as part of secret deal with the Greens and Ardern who has always supported it.
    Ask Mahuta, as she is good at changing established legal rules anyway on unelected Maori places on Council.
    
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    February 8, 2021 1:55pm
- Ruahine
  
  I do not believe there will a great rush of applicants.
  However. Take care Granny.
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:42am
Maggie Pie

The brilliant ‘Katie Hopkins’ gives her take on the benefits of Covid 😀

https://twitter.com/CanAditude/status/1358437285893722113
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February 8, 2021 8:47am
- Swifty
  
  See this comment below:
  
  “Trudeau used to accuse Harper of not being transparent and ran his campaign on promising to have a transparent government.
  
  Since then he’s been perhaps the most secretive Prime Minister in Canadian history.”
  
  https://twitter.com/Bret_Sears/status/1358101960017272835
  
  Just like someone else we know.
  
  Says one thing but does another.
  
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  February 8, 2021 8:56am
- planetb-media
  
  “Save” is an interesting spin on what occurred as per the article. A bit like how Mao “saved” locusts from all those sparrows. I assume this article will be well met by those who don’t like Trump. Seems like admission through projection to me, prove us wrong…
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:24am
JibberJabber

Is the worm slowly beginning to turn?

Olivia Nuzzi
@Olivianuzzi

The intent of many in the media today is to humiliate others, strip them of dignity, reveal their pathetic fallibility — all to confirm a worldview in which they are good and their perceived enemies, for reasons personal and political, are bad.
This isn’t about any one reporter. Increasingly, this behavior — long encouraged for clicks at underdog outlets — is being legitimized by mainstream institutions. We’re all worse off for it. We’re becoming an industry of vigilante bullies.

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
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I’ve been watching these trends in journalism now with disgust. It’s an abuse of the platform they have and of the profession. They never focus on real power centers: they lack the ability. So it’s all this penny-ante bullshit of petulance and censorship:
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February 8, 2021 8:50am
- JibberJabber
  
  https://twitter.com/traceyjayj/status/1358476478682263552
  They have insufficient talent or skill, and even less desire, to take on the real power centers.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:02am
Swifty

Incompetence and negligence by debt management company staff wrecks a guys life:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mistaken-identity-mans-two-year-battle-to-correct-debt-companys-botch-up/N4DQM7FGTDG6XYMZ33YH7CIO3Y/

The staff, management and owners should be prosecuted for the harm caused. Maybe a spell in the big house might motivate them to take their responsibilities more seriously.

Utter bastards.
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February 8, 2021 8:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stress Management Technique.
This is unbelievable and will make you smile. In case you are having a
rough day, here’s a stress management technique that has been
recommended in all the latest psychological journals. The funny thing is that it
really does work and will make you smile:
1. Picture yourself lying on your belly on a warm rock that hangs out
over a crystal clear stream.
2. Picture yourself with both your hands in the cool running water.
3. Birds are sweetly singing in the cool mountain air.
4. No one knows your secret place.
5. You are in total seclusion from that hectic place called the World.
6. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a
cascade of serenity.
7. The water is so clear you can make out the face of the Greens
Voter you are holding underwater.
See, it worked.
You’re smiling
You feel better already.
Have a great day!!
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February 8, 2021 8:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Time version of the US Election save:

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
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February 8, 2021 8:58am
- RW Capitalist
  
  This article is bragging about the fact that there was an anti Trump conspiracy (that they had previously claimed did not exist) and justifying it.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:47am
  - chiz
    
    You didn’t read the article did you. It was not an anti-Trump conspiracy – it was a bipartisan effort that involved Trump supporters.
    
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    February 8, 2021 1:05pm
JibberJabber

LoL ? Cactus,
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/02/things-that-make-you-go-hmmmmmm-alison.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed: AsianInvasion2019 (Asian Invasion 2019)

Alison Mao really knows no bounds of shame.

Apparently male talkback hosts = bad.

But look at this beauty taken a few days ago on Paul Henry’s boat Olive!

Clearly Banksie and Plunket need a boat to tame the #metoo she beast within with a few freebies and get the tick of approval. You get a big boat-bitch, gropey hug from her and best compliant luvvie behaviour then.
So what does a man have to do to get from this – to a close snuggle on his boat in your best skirt and low cut unbuttoned tied up, see through white blouse?

Asking for the centre right you are continuing to blackm….list.

The day of reckoning for these woke left wing fools is going to come large and hard.
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February 8, 2021 9:07am
- lifesgood
  
  Simon well rid.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:06am
- kowtow
  
  ”The day of reckoning for these woke left wing fools is going to come large and hard.’
  
  Hate to be the pessimist but the ‘woke left wing” have won and are on a roll , taking trophy heads all over the place across the west .
  Make no mistake the Cultural Revolution is in full flow and the so called ‘centre right” has bought it hook line and sinker and all over there’ll be many hunkering down in fear of the Red Guards coming for them.
  
  “Moderation” , is a euphemism for self censorship.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:16am
  - artemisia
    
    Agree, but what lies beneath? Suggest an increasing number of households that quietly protect their beliefs and finances. Households that are not vocal or violent, but instead quietly teach the children critical thinking and arrange finances to stay under the increasingly intrusive government radar through personal responsibility.
    
    Quietly.
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gun control explained. The bit about the gazelle is so true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaUXOOP7f0g
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February 8, 2021 9:13am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A gun is a paper weight, if that’s what you use it for.
  Steak knife is an eating utensil, until you stab someone with it.
  I read somewhere, in the USA, most gun owners have NEVER used it and many have never taken out of it’s storage place.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not in Alaska. Gun range 3 times a week in summer. Hunting in Aug/Sept. My partner was lucky to see a doe butchered and dressed on a friends property near Wasilla. She had never seen it before
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:59am
Mags

With National looking to start no confidence proceedings in the Speaker, I recall seeing an interview on RNZ where Arden was asked if she had signed off on the payment, she replied “no” laughed it off the deflected onto another topic.

However, it was later pointed out the the party leader must sign off any legal costs incurred by any MPs. So was she lying (shock horror) or did she not know what she signed off?
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February 8, 2021 9:15am
- redflagged
  
  You should ask under the official information act on fyi.org.nz and see if she did, ask for the letter, from the Prime Ministers office. Or if it was paid through parliamentary services. He had the law adjusted, so probably a loop hole in a loop hole with this as well.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:41am
- Yvette
  
  Mallard’s case was handled by Deputy Speaker Anne Tolley, then a National MP, and it was considered that because the Speaker is the Minister responsible for Parliamentary Services, the same rules should apply as for ministers.
  The process for Mallard’s legal costs was signed off by Tolley rather than Cabinet.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/he-made-a-mistake-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-continues-to-back-speaker-trevor-mallard/VOQXTV7MM6747UXGXD7B26XISY/
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:49am
- Nickc2
  
  Not knowing what she was signing? That was rather Bidenesque.
  
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  February 8, 2021 12:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Today’s weather by Stevie Nicks.
“Thunder only happens when it’s raining”
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February 8, 2021 9:17am
- gravedodger
  
  Tell that to a rural dweller who watches Lightning ignite a wild fire and no rain in sight all the way to the horizon.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:38am
- 3-coil
  
  Steve: but then Stevie didn’t take all that cocaine just to make her nose feel good either…
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:52am
Inandout

‘As many Western countries advocate for transgenderism and LGBT issues, China is moving in the polar opposite direction, doubling down on their intention to “re-masculinize” the nation’s male population.

The Communist Chinese government’s Education Ministry has issued a statement that aggressively inferred the males of the China have become too “feminine.”

The message has been met with mixed reviews with those wishing for China to join the globalist culture criticizing the statement as sexist, while those who support the Communist regime saying China’s feminized male celebrities are partly to blame’.

What, no gay ped crossings?
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February 8, 2021 9:26am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  This is why China will emerge as the dominant world power. They act only and always in their own national interest, and accordingly, they recognise that accepting, promoting and normalising deviant practices correlated to mental issues is not in their best interests.
  
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  February 8, 2021 12:18pm
- towaka
  
  Yes, one nice thing about living in China is the freedom from feminists and feminism.. no shortage of femine and strong woman though!
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:50pm
Captain Mainwaring

The David Jones building in Wellington is owned by Sir Bob Jones (no relation).
He won’t want it empty for long.
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February 8, 2021 9:33am
Maggie Pie

New Zealand Tirade Minister Damien O’Connor, (famous for once describing his caucus colleagues as a gaggle of gays and self-serving unionists), has now entered the ongoing dispute between our most important partner Australia, and American multinational technology company, Google.

Damien has advised the Morrison government that they need to show some respect and act more diplomatically towards the Tech Giant.
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February 8, 2021 9:38am
- rockape
  
  He is one of the most useless MPs and sadly is my electorate MP. He is known locally as “mirror” because when asked for help his only reply is “ I will look into it” He hasn’t helped the West Coast one bit ,in fact he has done more harm than good.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:03am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Has any Labour MP …..ever?
    How about Hipkins….all improvements under a National govt.
    any others we know about?
    
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    February 8, 2021 10:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Scomo’s words were “who’s that fucking clown?” When informed he was Cindy’s Trade Minister, Scomo replied “silly me, I should have known”.
  
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  February 8, 2021 12:49pm
Tomtoddy

Quote from the Gisborne Herald….
“Newly-appointed Cabinet minister and East Coast MP Kiri Allan says $34 million of new funding will create more than 400 jobs in ecology, restoration, trapping, pest control, fencing and project management”.

This is ‘misleading’ putting it as euphemistically as possible. Some would call it blatant lying.

There will not be 400 new jobs created. There may be new work created for existing employed but almost all the work will be done by currently employed persons. This BS needs calling out.
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February 8, 2021 9:48am
- Swifty
  
  And minus the jobs lost by taking the $34 million from NZers in the first place.
  
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  February 8, 2021 9:50am
- DeepBlue
  
  A job isn’t a job unless it is sustainably funded. If not it is charity, work for the dole, or the green economy.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:25am
- redflagged
  
  Not like this government to be misleading.
  
  All about marketing, delivery doesn’t matter to them.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:48am
Benedict Yu

This was an amazing test match. West Indies vs Bangladesh. West Indies were down and out after 4 days. They needed 395 to win in the 4th innings. Kyle Mayers, on debut made a double century. WI won by 3 wickets. Mayers was only in the team because some higher ranked players were unavailable.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-in-bdesh-2020-21-1244017/bangladesh-vs-west-indies-1st-test-1244025/match-report&ved=2ahUKEwjmjqrL0tjuAhWzzDgGHUCFCS0QFjAHegQIGRAB&usg=AOvVaw3svFCaYKKYB231uuvv5FgU
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February 8, 2021 9:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Followed that one of Cricinfo. There is some good cricket on atm, with India v England and Pakistan vs SA. The NZ Super Smash has had some very good games to watch as well.
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:07am
Maggie Pie

Anyone else catch that horrible pommie talkback host on ZB last night between 8 and midnight? What a vile disgusting individual he is. Did nothing more than abuse President Trump every chance he got.

They take Banksie off air for something a Caller said, which he had NO control over – yet let this nasty piece of work abuse ’45’ with no repercussions!
As my partner said, it shows where their heads are at 🙁
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February 8, 2021 10:13am
- doggone7
  
  It’s zb. That’s the station that gladly brings Bruce Russell and Mike Hosking to the airwaves so what do you expect?
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:57am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly right there dog. Bruce and Mike are the 2 real Aces in the hole. They’re the only reason most people listen to ZB.
    Those other poofters like ‘the 2 Dims’, ‘sigh & pill’ and even granma kerry are all such woke lefties they’re embarrassing!
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:18am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Heather is also excellent.
      
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      February 8, 2021 11:51am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        That she is. I’d hate to get on the wrong side of HDPA, she can be hard out in interviews – case in point the one last week with the Government numpty who was trying to defend the indefensible non-issuance of the 61 cruise ship visas.
        
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        February 8, 2021 1:13pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Some of the time.
        
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        February 8, 2021 1:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  They took ‘Banksie’ off air because he is a racist a-hole. Talking of Maori, for example: “If you tie a dog to a tree & kick it, it’s going to bite you”.
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:09am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You have a link to that allegation mikenmild?
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yep:
      https://www.webworm.co/p/magictalkcancer
      
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      February 8, 2021 11:58am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Other than David Farrier, who really cares what David Farrier thinks? Farrier doesn’t actually think Banks is racist (he just cannot defend his case, if he even has one) but it’s his only premise. The best approach is to take the ascribed property of being racist as a given, because when you own it, people like David Farrier are left with little to do other than crying into their key boards. Their entire strategy depends on their target becoming defensive. Words are the only weapon these people have, so negating the name-calling allows the parties to get down to debating substance. Which they hate.
        
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        February 8, 2021 1:30pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        C’mon man! It was a joke!!
        Get it? A……. J.O.K.E.
        God some people must live sad boring lives.
        You wouldn’t last 5 minutes at the tennis club.
        
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        February 8, 2021 1:30pm
      - MCos
        
        Which tennis club is this you speak of?
        
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        February 8, 2021 2:26pm
lifesgood

It seems that the fashionable thing today is to have a trans gender child. I was gob smacked yesterday when a colleague proudly told me her 15 year old son had come out as transgender. She went on to tell me that he has had all sorts of learning difficulties, etc, etc, etc. She blames his transgenderism, I’m inclined to think that he mistakenly thinks that if he changes sex he will feel better about himself. I am finding it hard to believe that the world is awash with people who think they are the wrong sex. I suspect, in years to come, there will be court cases about this. It is quite the trendy thing, isn’t it? What got me was that this woman telling me was so proud, seemed like “I’m now one of the in crowd”. If it was my child I’d feel incredibly sad for them.
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February 8, 2021 10:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When I went into teaching in the mid 1990s, folks were doping up their children with ritalin because someone had diagnosed them with them ADHD.
  
  At one school, I was told that I’d have to give a 14 year old boy his dose of ritalin at lunch-time.
  
  I told the management in no uncertain terms that I’d do nothing of the sort and that they were fools to be medicating a child without medical/nursing training.
  
  Next minute… the mother is asked to come to the school each lunchtime to deliver the dose…After a term or so, the child seemed not to require his lunchtime dose.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    I saw an ADHD expert on the Dr Phill show years ago.
    
    He stated that he had quite a few thousand kids referred to him for treatment but in his lifetime had only seen a few genuine cases.
    
    He gave an example of a test for ADHD which was when the child was throwing a tantrum because they couldn’t get something they wanted let them rant for a while then hand it to them. The genuine ADHD kid has forgotten what the issue was that started the tantrum so receiving the item will not stop the tantrum.
    
    The little shit who just used the tantrum to get their own way stops immediately.
    
    I coached junior sport for over 10 years, often more than one team at a time plus school teams and in that time met heaps of little shits but not a single genuine ADHD kid despite mums telling me numerous times that their child was “special”.
    
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    February 8, 2021 1:34pm
- jonno69
  
  When i was a kid any one known to be bent, were beaten up or at the least shunned. Now its an achievement that can be proudly displayed on their cv
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:08am
  - Bob
    
    When I was at school – 1950’s, any boy who was a bit feminine was straightened out in the playground and on the sports filed. There were very few ‘bent boys, no girls as I recall’; probably because we came from solid homes with a mother and father role model living together with us.
    The way ahead was very clear.
    
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    February 8, 2021 12:30pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    When I was a kid any one known to be bent, were beaten up or at the least shunned.
    
    Do you and your uptickers think that that was the right way to treat such people?
    
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    February 8, 2021 1:23pm
- redflagged
  
  Cut off a perfectly good arm or leg, you are mentally ill.
  
  Cut off your penis, ahh all good. Here is a badge and an excuse for everything that will ever happen in your life regardless of your decisions.
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:51am
- alloytoo
  
  Gender dysphoria has sweet bugger all to do with learning ability or the lack.
  
  It can lead to depression and substance abuse later in life.
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:14pm
  - lifesgood
    
    It’s a mental illness that should be treated
    
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    February 8, 2021 7:16pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Absolutely it needs to addressed, in private with health care professionals, friends and family.
      
      Not Social Media.
      
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      February 8, 2021 11:23pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/w5EGBRLEYQ0/

Space Race. Beiing Biden v Elon Musk.

It is inevitable that one state or another will weaponize space, and because of the remoteness of, say, a major space station or a lunar colony, it will not be possible to ensure that weapons are not illicitly made, providing a limitless second strike capacity and the inevitability of either a preemptive major war (likely nuclear) or total subjugation by whatever state has first significantly made progress on the issue.
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February 8, 2021 10:14am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/02/06/italy-populist-salvini-may-be-back-in-government-as-part-of-technocratic-regime/
Salvini Could be Back.
The populist 5-Star Movement and the right-wing League both signaled support for a Draghi-led government, saying they were ready to put aside bitter rivalries for the good of the country and increasing the potential for a broad-based government of national unity.
Draghi, 73, the former president of the European Central Bank completed a first round of talks with political parties this week. Another round is expected early next week on potential Cabinet ministers and a synthesis from Draghi of his vision for the new government. He also is expected to meet with unions, business lobbies and other members of civil society.
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February 8, 2021 10:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Latest Guardian piece on our diverse Parliament that is “toxic” but changing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/08/diversity-dilemma-worlds-most-inclusive-parliament-still-faces-battle-for-change-new-zealand

and who is the hero of the piece?
Why none other than bully-boy Trevor Mallard.

Absolutely no mention of the fact that Mallard falsely accused a Parliamentary staffer of rape and has cost taxpayers $330,000… at least… for his malicious blunder.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/432651/trevor-mallard-s-legal-dispute-cost-more-than-330-000-national-reveals
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February 8, 2021 10:16am
- Swifty
  
  Black is white.
  
  Up is down.
  
  Left is right.
  
  War is peace.
  
  Mallard is not one of the biggest bullies we’ve seen in our Parliament in the last 30 years.
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Who bullies better than him?
    
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    February 8, 2021 12:57pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Whoosh……..
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:28pm
- Bevan
  
  Did it mention his homophobia (calling Chris Finlayson Tinkerbell) or when he made fun of someone with mental health issues (telling Nick Smith to ‘take his pills’)?
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Or calling members of the Exclusive Brethren “chinless scarf-wearers”, or suggesting he’d like to insert a Heineken bottle into the rectum of the head of the IRB?
    
    Mallard was always Parliament’s bully-boy, and was totally unsuited to the role of Speaker.
    
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    February 8, 2021 11:54am
    - Nickc2
      
      Unsuited for anything more likely. A school teacher by legitimate occupation sez it all really.
      
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      February 8, 2021 12:30pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Truly a nasty piece of work. [Deleted – don’t bring MP’s family into the discussions. Mod.]
      
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      February 8, 2021 12:39pm
    - calendar girl
      
      A poor choice of speaker given his less-than-conciliatory background.
      
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      February 8, 2021 1:38pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘While the face of New Zealand’s parliament is changing, its rules and norms are drawn from the experiences of white men’
  
  Here we go again . But if the reporterette doesn’t like that our Westminster form of govt is “drawn from the experiences of white men ” , perhaps she could suggest an alternative .
  
  A theocracy ala Iran , a Soviet ala Cuba , an absolute monarchy , a tribal council of elders, or just pure anarchy ………..
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:45am
RW Capitalist

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/news/dams-new-zealand/
http://www.windenergy.org.nz/wind-energy/nz-success
In 1993, New Zealand’s first wind farm….
A Floodplain Management Plan (FMP) is currently being developed for the Waiwhetu Stream. This project began in 2004, and a lot of work was put in prior to the Waiwhetu Project starting. This project was put on hold during the Waiwhetu Remediation and Widening and Deepening Project, but commenced again in August 2010, with the additional benefit of having addressed some of the flooding that occured in 2004, approximately a 40 year return period event.
“Put on hold” by the Clark govt. withdrawing govt. funding
https://www.stats.govt.nz/indicators/river-water-quality-clarity-and-turbidity
Measured data for 10-year trends (2008–17) showed that most sites had “likely” or “very likely” trends for clarity (82% of sites) and turbidity (80% of sites). The remainder of sites did not have trends that were able to be determined.

Of the sites that had trends that could be determined:

Most monitoring sites showed improvements (declines) in clarity (66 percent of sites).
Overall, for turbidity the proportion of sites with improving and worsening trends was about the same.
The urban land cover class had the greatest proportion of sites with improving trends for both turbidity (84 percent of sites).
All improvements and developments of renewable energy…..under NATIONAL
what do we need the greens for?
with Labours generational incompetence and laziness….what do we need them for?
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February 8, 2021 10:25am
doggone7

Did Mallard “accuse someone of rape” or on hearing of some behaviour, describe it as sounding like rape to him?
And deciding our pockets taking a $$$ hit was preferable to a long drawn out media spectacle in a debate on semantics?
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February 8, 2021 11:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  If I remember correctly, he made a comment along the lines of “The rapist has left the building”. He also said earlier, when the report was released, “We’re talking about serious sexual assault. Well that, for me, that’s rape,”
  
  That’s a pretty direct accusation, by anyone’s standards.
  
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  February 8, 2021 11:13am
doggone7

In other words what I said in then first sentence?

Does “We’re talking about serious sexual assault. Well that, for me, that’s rape,”mean on hearing of some behaviour, he described it as sounding like rape to him?

Accepting what we know is from media reporting. Of course in that frame saying “along the lines of “The rapist has left the building” can easily be taken and turned into him definitively saying exactly those words.
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February 8, 2021 11:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Trevor Mallard has accepted that he falsely accused a parliamentary staffer of rape.
  He has apologised to the man.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/trevor-mallard-apologises-for-accusing-parliamentary-staffer-of-rape/EO7VZ74CHYC5S3C42RTPDRJW5Y/
  
  If Mallard didn’t understand what rape means, then it clearly indicates Labour appoints thickos to high office.
  
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  February 8, 2021 12:47pm
mikenmildagain

RIP George Schulz. A good profile here – AP via Stuff:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300224433/ronald-reagans-longtime-secretary-of-state-george-p-shultz-dies-aged-100
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February 8, 2021 12:30pm
jon

With Dame Patsy finishing her term as Governor General in late August and an annoucement of her successor due soon it is interesting to speculate on who that person will be. One thing for sure he or she will have to tick all the WOKE boxes so that narrows the field considerably. Maybe some readers on here may have some thoughts on the matter???
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February 8, 2021 12:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Georgina Beyer.
  
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  February 8, 2021 6:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Richie McCaw.
  
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  February 8, 2021 6:20pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Taika Waititi.
  
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  February 8, 2021 6:20pm
- greybeard
  
  Brown. Rugby player. Female. Lesbian. Labour Party supporter.
  
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  February 8, 2021 6:59pm
- MCos
  
  Sean Plunket’s at a loose end.
  
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  February 8, 2021 8:28pm
Maggie Pie

A good client of my partners bought another car off him this weekend. That brings the total he’s got in his garage now to seven!

It sounded to me like he might have picked up a dose of car owner virus.
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February 8, 2021 12:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, in the absence of an apostrophe one could fleetiingly imagine you had multiple ‘partners’, much like the chap has multiple cars.
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:40pm
  - greybeard
    
    “A good client of my partner” is the correct statement.
    
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    February 8, 2021 6:57pm
    - greybeard
      
      Even more accurate:
      ” A good imaginary client of my imaginary partner” is the correct statement.
      
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      February 8, 2021 7:11pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Sounds like a Bowerbird.
  
  Better watch your mate.
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi broke her own rule and don’t want to pay the fine. There is a word for that – what is it again??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSipydROEDg
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February 8, 2021 1:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Steve, that Pelosi woman is rotten to the core. It is people like this video maker who will save the US from Dem Nazism.
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:45pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Smart?
  
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  February 8, 2021 1:49pm
Inandout

What a bunch of cretins some of those Dems are.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/602062e05db3705aa0a9829c
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February 8, 2021 1:51pm
Master Mariner

Finally some coverage in Media on our plight.

Seafarers and MIQ system.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/holiday-breakfast/audio/nathan-schumacher-seafarers-say-overloaded-miq-system-treats-them-unfairly/

As for me I’m off shore Myanmar and how the hell do I get a spot at short notice?
Best estimates there are in excess off 100 seafarers like myself working keeping supply lines running.

Have a listen
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February 8, 2021 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

NZH BREAKING NEWS!!

‘Shark seen swimming in water off Waiheke Island’

LOL 😀
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February 8, 2021 3:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZH never been off Chelsea and Soldiers Bay I guess
  
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  February 8, 2021 4:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Downticker try walking in 1M of water there. The little bastards bite your legs and won’t let go until they get a nose bash. No teeth but angry dogfish
    
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    February 8, 2021 4:32pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You could borrow my partners cut down 308 if ya want?
      
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      February 8, 2021 5:02pm
Swifty

Rick Stein’s latest (Rick Stein’s Cornwall) is up on YouTube. Quite surprised actually because it only aired on the BBC in Jan.

Here’s Part 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG7s-G-r5Ic&t=10s

I love the bloke.

Get into it – it’s the full series by the looks.
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February 8, 2021 4:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Uh oh… Air NZ aiding Saudi war crimes

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-air-nz-has-been-secretly-helping-saudi-arabian-military-despite-its-role-in-yemen-humanitarian-crisis
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February 8, 2021 6:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Grant Robertson Knows nothing….
  https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/s_45/4546a3b2704cde4470054894bb13a2c1.jpeg
  
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  February 8, 2021 6:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Seems unlikely that the share-holding minister would know about it.
    Disgusting that Air NZ seems to have no mechanisms to stop it taking on work for such clients.
    
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    February 8, 2021 6:25pm
- Master Mariner
  
  This is potential minefield if true.
  
  Out of all countries I have worked in Saudi is the shittiest of them all.
  A most despicable country and interbred to boot.
  
  As hard as i tried , I could not find any thing I liked about the place , in fact the complete opposite.
  If any one wants to find the extreme differences between Christianity and Wahabism Muslim, Then look no further than here.
  
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  February 8, 2021 8:38pm
RW Capitalist

My wife has been in the hospital since Friday mid day.
She is very ill, Pulmonary Hypertension and chronic heart failure….had it for 2 years so lately hospital visits are more regular…told she is dying…just when.
This NOT the story
Today the community clinical nurse came to the house.
1. Why didn’t the hospital tell her, saving her a wasted visit?
We talked for a minute, as I had been told that they were on a skeleton staff every weekend.
I asked why, as this is their busiest time.
She said…”To save money, they don’t want to pay the extra salary”.
If true, this decision comes from the very top.
More BS service from the Labour govt….
Back to the Clark/ King health service.
Waiting lists and cancer treatment in Australia.
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February 8, 2021 6:33pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Sorry to hear this .
  Sincerely wish you and your wife the best.
  Nows probably the time to have some faith in the system if at all possible, More so for your wife,
  Best wishes
  
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  February 8, 2021 8:31pm
Tauhei Notts

Will Sean Plunket be on air tomorrow?
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February 8, 2021 8:25pm
- sooty
  
  If he’s not he will still get paid!
  
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  February 8, 2021 10:11pm
Master Mariner

Interesting if true.
i will say again Air NZ has been winging it without any repercussions.
Does the CEO actually have a clue.
How complicit is NZ government by association. A lot by all accounts if true.
How bad will this effect NZ and its perception overseas?
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-air-nz-has-been-secretly-helping-saudi-arabian-military-despite-its-role-in-yemen-humanitarian-crisis
I have written the other day about how Air NZ has been dislocated for a better word from reality in regards to COVID since day one.
Any thoughts?
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February 8, 2021 8:28pm
BananaLlama

So you are not required to wear a mask while waiting at a bus stop. You can wait at a bus stop with a group of people for more than fifteen minutes and you are still not required to wear a muzzle. Sometimes Public transport arrives at five minute intervals, fifteen minute intervals, half an hour or an hour it varies according to the time of day (obviously).
You are considered at risk of catching Covid if you are within close proximity for fifteen minutes or longer.
So muzzling commuters on public transport is somewhat pointless depending on the time of day and the wait time.
Not sure why they are continuing to enforce this practice?
Feel bad for the bus drivers being forced to wear something that looks like it belong on a movie set from Aliens all day.
Maybe commonsense would be just enforcing muzzles during peak time or am i missing something here?.
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