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mikenmildagain

Happy World Radio Day!
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February 13, 2021 8:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  So don’t become some background noise
  A backdrop for the girls and boys
  Who just don’t know, or just don’t care
  And just complain when you’re not there
  
  You had your time, you had the power
  You’ve yet to have your finest hour
  Radio (radio)
  
  All we hear is radio ga ga
  Radio goo goo
  Radio ga ga
  All we hear is radio ga ga
  Radio blah blah
  Radio, what’s new?
  Radio, someone still loves you
  
  (Roger Taylor)
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:41am
Caine9

What is it with Stuff? Their editorial policy of daily attacking European New Zealanders and presenting every minority or indigenous population as victims every day serves what purpose?
They are achieving new heights of unbalance, clearly have an agenda hidden behind academics with a particular set of opinions and yet plead poverty wanting donations.
Oh please, just fuck off
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February 13, 2021 8:08am
- Nickc2
  
  Well, Chris Faafii has just paid them another retainer so expect more of it. With Govt. (taxpayer) handouts in return for spinning the Govt. line, there is no requirement to publish the truth or alternative opinion in order to gain readers and advertisers.
  If you must read that ridiculous rag, it’s not going to get any better so get used to it.
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Under what authority is Fa’afoi bribing the media. $50M, there, $55M here are they now fully paid up members of the Labour Party?
    
    Where is the Auditor General in this? How can HM Opposition have any say or presentation to the people when the media take up arms against them? The State Owned media are among the worst! They surely have a duty to be neutral and be seen to be that way–I find them unwatchable.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:06pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree Kevin. I just heard on the radio that Faafoi has stated that TV1 will become advertisement free and Govt. funded. It was also reported his reason for this was to enable better journalism without having to rely on advertisers for funding.
      
      It looks like he is staying with the plot as first discovered when Claire Curran was having clandestine meetings with her best friend in the media and had to forfeit the Minister of Broadcasting portfolio because she did a Cindy and lied about it.
      
      Frankly, I see this as the start of Govt. takeover and control of all media. It will be Cindy’s way of delivering Communist doctrine to the masses.
      
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      February 13, 2021 2:01pm
      - Bob
        
        The Department of Propaganda coming to your airwaves soon.
        Weekly ‘Broadcast to Schools’ programmes to aid learning. First programme will be NZ History.
        Watch for the funding carefully camouflaged in the 2021 Budget.
        
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        February 13, 2021 3:42pm
      - oldfella
        
        Nick, think that TV1 commercial free story might have been speculation, not a statement of intent from Faafoi.
        
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        February 13, 2021 3:48pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Where’s the govts mandate for this? I’m fed up with govt propaganda.
        
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        February 13, 2021 5:21pm
  - Scooter
    
    I bet the tourism industry would have liked the 50 mill and the other 50 last year.
    
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    February 13, 2021 8:01pm
- G152
  
  The media are currently seeing just how far they can push a racist agenda.
  All paid for by taxpayers
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:00am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  This Stuff disease has spread to their community newspapers. Their coverage of the militia who died in 1864 and are commemorated at Leamington was disgraceful. I wonder if they have different stories for different parts of the country.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:10am
  - lifesgood
    
    So true. How do I stop them putting this disgusting rag in my letterbox. Unfortunately The Central Leader is not classified as junk mail, even though it should be.
    
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    February 13, 2021 1:01pm
- pdm
  
  Where is Stuff’s coverage of the despicable Mallard referring Chris Bishop to the Privileges Committee – I haven’t seen anything.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:22am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    More nastiness from Parliamnet’s nastiest guy. He dishonours the office of Speaker.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:34pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Feeling guilty, huh?
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:40am
  - Swifty
    
    Martin unwittingly reveals the whole purpose to Stuff’s exercise – even thought none of us were present at the events described and why Maori against Maori atrocities will not be mentioned.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:26pm
- Paulus
  
  What do you want for a Dollar ?
  
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  February 13, 2021 1:53pm
kowtow

Sean Plunket should be getting support from his colleagues in the fourth estste .

Here he gets damned with faint praise. A piece by van Beynon .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/124222812/should-we-care-about-sean-plunkets-departure-from-talk-radio
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February 13, 2021 8:15am
- doublehappy
  
  Anyone calling the radical left zealot, John Cambell “lovable” does not deserve listening to. All the article said was I agree with what they did to John Banks and Sean Plunket. Typical Stuff rubbish.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:04am
Maggie Pie

GROUPTHINK ?

Ricardo provides a ‘fulsome response’ in his FB post, to queries about his trip back home and subsequent return to Aotearoa New Zealand, with his partner.

Fellow traveler ‘GENE’ comments:
“We’re all human, MP’s included, well most MP’s, maybe not Judith Collins……..”

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1359398595925975040
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February 13, 2021 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  “gene” could easily be a ‘journalist’ with the centre right ( pull the other one) publication the Granny . All they seem to do is pull down Collins , holding the opposition to account , is the new media pardy principle . See todays audrey young .
  
  Not to mention their cartoon showing Seymour as a clown , in the context of the Rawiti circus . Unbelievable.
  
  The world turned upside down.
  
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  February 13, 2021 8:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The word ‘fulsome’ is often misused. Many think it is a fancy way to say ‘full’, but it really means excessively exagerrated.
  
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  February 13, 2021 8:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pretty sure Maggie had her finger on that pulse.
    
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    February 13, 2021 10:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    exagerrated
    
    And any clues as to what that word means?
    
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    February 13, 2021 11:40am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      milky: “I apologise for that abberation…”
      
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      February 13, 2021 11:23pm
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Its “fool some”.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, that Mexican needs to be pulled into line for what is essentially a put down of a female. If Judith had said the same about Ricardo she would have been accused of: genderism, racism, homophobia, anti same sex coupling, (add your own).
  
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  February 13, 2021 8:40am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Senor Menendez March and Ms Ardern simply can’t lose – in his case, anyone who genuinely critiques him will always be a privileged, racist homophobe; in her’s, any criticism is immediately termed misogynistic
    
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    February 13, 2021 11:30am
    - Swifty
      
      Martin Williams was on here the other day implying exactly that.
      
      Any criticism whatsoever of the MP for Tijuana, or any non-white MP is automatically racist.
      
      He never explained why, of course.
      
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      February 13, 2021 12:29pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I can’t bring myself to read it. This guy is going to be a never ending source of fuckery for the next three years. Hat tip Amy Winehouse. RIP.
  
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  February 13, 2021 8:56am
- artemisia
  
  “Fulsome’ of course has two meanings. Which one is referred to here?
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:11am
  - doublehappy
    
    Could do with a second helping?
    
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    February 13, 2021 10:09am
- Saks
  
  When you read the replies you start to understand why this country is in the state it is.
  
  Full of brainless muppets
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:17am
  - tf78
    
    Saks, the lift seems to stop at the first floor with most of the twitter dwellers.
    
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    February 13, 2021 10:12am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Try get them to do something. They took on the pay, but where’s their performance? Talk fests don’t count. We need proper action.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:09pm
  - The Feed
    
    The naivety is breathtaking.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:44pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “fulsome
  
  adjective
  1.
  complimentary or flattering to an excessive degree.
  “the press are embarrassingly fulsome in their appreciation””
  
  I’m not making it up. At first I thought Marxist Dicky had no idea what it meant, but I now think he does. Fulsome in that he’s excessively complimentary, flattering and smug about his actions and motives, and the example used perfectly sums up the media’s response.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:49am
G152

Its not what you know its who you know and give your vote to
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February 13, 2021 8:23am
- Nickc2
  
  I feel a Tui’s Billboard coming on.
  
  NO CORRUPTION IN NZ? YEAH, RIGHT!
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:02am
krazykiwi

Lockdowns are a Self~Fulfilling Prophecy.

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An important study in Frontiers in Public Health on the data delivered by 160 countries has found no correlation between death rate and stringency of lockdown measures[1].

Another study showed no significant benefits of stay-at-home order and business closure on epidemic case growth[2].
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Analyses indicate that at least a third, and possibly more than half, of the observed excess mortality may be caused by the applied measures[3][4]. Measure-based mortality will proceed and may even accelerate if the fear-mongering stays and no end to the nightmare is presented to a now chronically overloaded population.
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February 13, 2021 8:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  In our county of Solothurn in Switzerland, 2,662 deaths have been reported for 2020[5], among which 219 were attributed to covid-19 and of these 211 were living in nursing homes[6]. Median age of covid-19 death in Switzerland is 86 years old[7], and the rate of significant premorbidities is very high (97% with at least one premorbidity).
  
  Switzerland, in spite of a clear-cut “second wave”, has experienced no excess mortality for ages below 65, and even for 70 and above, a correction for the increasing size of this old age group shows no excess mortality for 2020[4], and a lower mortality in 2020 than in 2012, 2013 and 20156. Finally, for the whole swiss population, the total death rate per 100,000 inhabitants was the same in 2003 and even higher in 2000[8].
  
  Where do we find, here and around the world, any motivation and necessity to limit the professional and social activities of a whole population for now almost a year?
  
  Should we have locked populations in the past during former flu epidemics? Obviously no.
  
  It’s an informative article written by a Swiss MD
  
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  February 13, 2021 8:48am
  - rouppe
    
    That’ll be why in a pandemic my cousin can go from Switzerland to the Maldives for some r&r
    
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    February 13, 2021 11:14am
- kowtow
  
  kk
  
  I’ve read that Japan and Canada don’t have compulsory MIQ type regimes for incomers , but allow self isolation at home .
  
  I wonder how that is working for them . Nothing in our media about it , only stories advocating the severest of measures and constant covid fear porn.
  
  Thank you for your contributions to date , way better than anything our Ministry of Truth pumps out.
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:43am
krazykiwi

I see the MSM’s obedient subservience has been rewarded with more taxpayer money. The all-powerful state can continue to tell us what to think, and how to live.
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February 13, 2021 9:07am
- Saks
  
  krazykiwi in top form today…. keep it coming!
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:15am
  - oldfella
    
    Saks, I think krazykiwi must be on a Berocca infusion. I heard some MP reckons it’s really good. 😉
    
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    February 13, 2021 10:30am
    - Saks
      
      They are just hopeless huh.
      
      I have decided that when it comes to the current lot, MP stands for Mup-Pet.
      
      Most couldn’t even hold down a minimum wage job, yet we let them pay themselves multi 100k salaries.
      
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      February 13, 2021 1:01pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  And who intelligent, educated and informed voters should vote for
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We all need to be programmed for the next Election
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No, kk..
  it is so we can have better journalism.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/taxpayers-to-pay-55m-for-better-journalism
  
  I fear you haven’t been listening carefully enough to our New Order Masters and Mistresses.
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    What is this ‘New Order’ of which you speak?
    
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    February 13, 2021 9:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      “jacindamania” I think covers it.
      
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      February 13, 2021 10:05am
    - tf78
      
      mike – the New Order comes along with the Great Reset and Build Back Better. Unfortunately for Labour they haven’t been able to ‘build’ anything so that one won’t count.
      
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      February 13, 2021 10:14am
      - pdm
        
        tf78 – doesn’t building fear of covid count?
        
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        February 13, 2021 1:35pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Its the minds they are after, Not tangeable things like roads, Bridges etc.
        Get with the program otherwise we will disassociate you on Social media,
        
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        February 13, 2021 4:03pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      The new order is the govt paymasters of the media – used to be they worked for the public, but in last few years they have started working for the govt.
      
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      February 13, 2021 10:53am
    - Ruahine
      
      The NEW ORDER .
      
      A total of $300m has been given to media and broadcasting this year. NZ on Air has had $190m alone. NZ on Air Board includes Linda Clark, Gayford’s lawyer and Ardern’s personal debate coach.
      
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      February 13, 2021 11:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why gracious me…don’t you keep up with the news?
      As predicted by our Host 9 years ago…
      
      It is the 7th Labour Government of NZ
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-farrar-the-seventh-labour-government/PVWH6T6GP633FSERT63ITS2BSA/
      
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      February 13, 2021 11:49am
Maggie Pie

Stuff’s Martin van Beynen reports “…..nobody cares about Sean Plunket leaving MagicTalk”
– unlike the public support shown towards “….the lovely John Campbell when his show was axed”.

Well butter my butt and book a room at the Pullman.
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February 13, 2021 9:26am
- Gravelroad
  
  I have a family member who works in/with machinery in a large, rural-based workplace.
  She and many of her colleagues listen regularly to daytime radio – that being Magic talk.
  But no more.
  When Banks and Plunkett were moved on, they decided to boycott Magic talk.
  But of course, nobody cares about what the likes of them in productive-based industry think, eh.
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The next radio survey will be interesting. If Magic Talk drops in the ratings, as seems likely, watch advertisers vote with their budgets.
    
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    February 13, 2021 9:50am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Probably be a foregone case of statistics being used by the station owners to prove anything…
      
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      February 13, 2021 10:50am
    - Ruawai
      
      Ironically it is the advertisers who asked for the removal of 2 popular hosts on Magic Talk who will take their money to another station when no one is listening to Magic Talk because of boring hosts.
      
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      February 13, 2021 10:57am
- crikey
  
  “…..nobody cares about Sean Plunket leaving MagicTalk”
  Well I certainly do care, in my support of freedom of speech.
  Nobody? Unsupported hyperbole from van Beynen.
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:29am
  - lifesgood
    
    Hey, crikey, he’s calling you a nobody. That’s offensive.
    
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    February 13, 2021 1:07pm
- jon
  
  Ah John Campbell the one from Campbell Live who would never ask the hard or obvious questions when covering a story from South Auckland..way to P.C. to do that!
  
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  February 13, 2021 1:08pm
lastmanstanding

The Chairman of the Central Planning Committee smiled. Comrade Ardern had been a excellent recruit. Her command and control of the peasants had been a lesson to the Provincial and District Governors.
Mind you Comrade Clark had been a good instructor. The promise of the top job at the UN had helped. Useful idiot. Didnt she know that a womans place is four paces behind her husband.

And as for Australia. The President has decided after the Transition it will form part of the Southern Province. It will be governed from the renamed Eastern Islands by a Committee of Maori people.
The President has decided Comrade Davidson will be an excellent Chairman.
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February 13, 2021 9:27am
- Paulus
  
  Do you really think that Ardern will get a top job at the UN – stop dreaming there is nothing Senior enough that she is capable of considering compared to controlling New Zealand ?
  Her mentality is only suitable to control the lemmings here.
  
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  February 13, 2021 2:01pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Paulus:
    “Do you really think that Ardern will get a top job at the UN – “
    Why shouldn’t she?
    All you have to be is well connected and have a celebrity endorsed international profile.
    Capability doesn’t come into it.
    Plenty of people here voted for her because of magazine covers, media adulation and left wing credentials promoted by unions and academics.
    She had no policies – just a few announcements and handwringing about poverty, inequality and the need to divide society here.
    What more would you need for a top job at the UN?
    
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    February 13, 2021 5:09pm
Nukuleka

Like him or- as most of us KBloggers- loathe him Winston Peters provided a hand break on the more dangerous policies of the last government. Now that he is gone there is no one to block the excesses of a government determined to introduce divisive race based policies and to drive us further apart rather than unify us as one nation. I see no desire on the part of National of even ACT to step up to the mark. I am beginning to despair. Muriel Newman: can’t you get back into the political fray again rather than just speaking good sense from the sidelines!
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February 13, 2021 9:35am
- Chris2
  
  Your post completely overlooks that it was Peters that put Ardern into Government in the first place. The country is in the state it is now ONLY because Peters chose Labour, so please don’t go on about him being some type of sorely missed handbrake now.
  
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  February 13, 2021 9:59am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Of course you are correct Chris2. I guess I was making the observation about the actual workings of the last government and certainly was not intending to write some sort of panegyric to the old rogue. You cannot disclaim the fact that, were he still to be a member of that government in 2021, he would never have allowed Mahuta to introduce her legislation to outlaw petitions on Maori wards.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:48pm
- doublehappy
  
  Well said Nukuleka, very logical thinking. I would like to see Murial, Tax Payers Union, Rate Payers, Barnett, Brash and Hide, and other like-minded people to form a group. I would contribute to help publish the real facts, make real critiques of government policies, and inform the general public what is happening in NZ.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:23am
- kowtow
  
  Hand brake ? Sorry but that’s nonsense . He put her on the throne and annointed her .If he hadn’t she’d never have been in office for covid , and covid gave her the absolute majority.
  
  Peters is the culprit , his personal spite and hatred for the Nats has put us here.
  
  No credit due at all to a vain and dangerous man .
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:39am
- Swifty
  
  “Like him or- as most of us KBloggers- loathe him Winston Peters provided a hand break on the more dangerous policies of the last government.”
  
  But at what cost, my dear Nukuleka?
  
  What more corruption of our nation’s political system would he have demanded as his price?
  
  What would the PGF have been renegotiated to? $5Bn? $7Bn? $10Bn?
  
  “…a government determined to introduce divisive race based policies and to drive us further apart rather than unify us as one nation.”
  
  Very well put.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:51am
MCos

There’s an interesting article in Politico about Nikki Haley, her inevitable candidacy for President in 2024 and her relationship with Donald Trump.

“She took a breath. “Fast forward, I’m watching the television the morning of the 6th and I see Don Junior get up there,” she said, reciting the president’s son’s calls to action against Republican leaders, closing her eyes as if reimagining the scene. “And then I hear the president get up there and go off on Pence. I literally was so triggered, I had to turn it off. I mean, Jon [Lerner] texted me something and I said, ‘I can’t. I can’t watch it. I can’t watch it,’ because I felt the same thing. Somebody is going to hear that, and bad things will happen.”

I asked Haley whether she has spoken to Trump since January 6. She shook her head.

“When I tell you I’m angry, it’s an understatement,” Haley hissed, leaning forward as she spoke. “Mike has been nothing but loyal to that man. He’s been nothing but a good friend of that man. … I am so disappointed in the fact that [despite] the loyalty and friendship he had with Mike Pence, that he would do that to him. Like, I’m disgusted by it.” “

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/magazine-nikki-haleys-choice/
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February 13, 2021 9:42am
- Tall Man
  
  Don’t care, Trump is yesterday’s man, time to let it go.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:07am
  - Don Beckett
    
    True enough, until he pops up again sometime soon. 🙂
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:11pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It can’t be let go. The allegation of the blatant theft of the election still lurks and the Dems are hiding behind the military in Washington still because of it. They know what they did and it is haunting them. The game is afoot.
    
    Did China really launch a cyber attack on election night that transferred millions of votes to Biden? Massive logs show the foreign attackers with details of time, place, right down to the actual physical computer “mac” address. The same full details of the relevant strikes against the USA computers are also given showing the votes claimed to be transferred to Biden by each strike to each computer . Thousands of lines, one for each attack. This needs rebuttal or an answer.
    The data is supposed to have come from an operation set up by USA Security in anticipation. USA Operatives reportedly used the method themselves in external operations. The voting machines have obliging features built in to encourage the desired election outcome.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:29pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Possibly but why waste energy on the subject.
      
      We have enough here in NZ to occupy our outrage 😉
      
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      February 13, 2021 2:15pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The USA has been one of our models–what an example. Next the economic consequences which will impact us too.
        
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        February 13, 2021 5:24pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Yep. Now understand why the Spaceforce was made the 18th member of the Intelligence Community…
      #thebestisyettocome
      
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      February 14, 2021 4:29am
- doublehappy
  
  Compared to what many Democrats said to incite BLM and Antifa to riot, burn, kill and cause havoc in the months preceding the election, you need a good imagination if you think Don Junior and Don himself said anything to cause an insurrection.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:31am
- Inandout
  
  mCos, anyone who has lived in the business world will immediately see Trump as a ‘deals’ man. Politicians are attuned to smooth talkers and promise people of the Obama type. Trump was one out of the box and despite his brashness he did achieve good things for the US, as Nikki did admit if you had c&p’d it.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:49am
  - MCos
    
    Don’t tell me; tell Nikki Haley.
    
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    February 13, 2021 8:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Trump was clearly poor at managing relationships and keeping loyalty. To an extent that’s a symptom of being rich – surrounded by yes men he is unprepared to deal with people with backbone.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:57am
Jack5

Is this the height of apology demands?

A Stuff article about brutality more than a century ago against the indigenous people of Patagonia by settlers, some of whom had been in, or had come from New Zealand, raises the possibility of an apology by New Zealand, then concedes there is no “clear cut case” for one.

Charlie Mitchell writes in the article:

There is no evidence the New Zealand government supported, condoned, or even knew about the events in Tierra Del Fuego.
It makes the matter of rectification unclear: There was no clear-cut case for an apology by the Crown, given the crimes were committed by private individuals.

FFS Charlie, we aren’t responsible for Patagonia.

Charlie summons up comment from one of our Kiwiblog posters: Scott Hamilton, a sociologist, and sometimes a resident of the cancel culture camp (he wanted the name of an Akaroa restaurant changed from that of a Pacific pirate).

Scott is a popular figure on the Woke Left. The Leftist blog, The Spinoff, has described Scott as “the author of two great modern works of sociology and place.”

Scott has fairly sharp views on colonialism’s effect on Maori, and with his interest across the whole Pacific would be likely source of a quote on the evils of colonialism.

From Twitter December 10, Scott Hamilton:

The great English poet Geoffrey Hill, for example, called the devastation caused by the War of the Roses a ‘Holocaust’. Holocaust seems a reasonable description for the devastation – invasion, land theft, steep demographic decline – Maori suffered in the 19th C.

In another Tweet Hamilton defended the idea that genocide of Maori was attempted in New Zealand.
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February 13, 2021 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  We never hear about what I’ll call the internal colonialism of Maori migrations.
  
  Once the country filled up and the various tribes started bumping into each other it was all in , until the Crown arrived and stopped it .
  
  Where’s the credit to British colonialism that literally saved Maoris from one and other?
  
  “Te Rauparaha’s victory was swift and complete, for the invaders were not expected. The chief Rerewaka and the people of Kaikoura were expecting a visit from some of their southern friends, and when they awoke in the morning in question, seeing a fleet of canoes on the beach, they took them for their friends. They were, however, soon undeceived, for the visitors fell upon the unarmed people and made great slaughter. The pa was quickly taken. About one thousand of the Kai Tahu were killed and many more captured. The chief Rerewaka was one of the captives. The pa was plundered, the Ngati Toa feasted upon the dead, and the remaining captives were taken to Kapiti. Rerewaka was tortured and put to death.”
  
  http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-PybMaor-t1-body-d5.html
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:31am
  - oldfella
    
    Kowtow, that description definitely won’t make the new NZ History curriculum. ‘Feasted upon the dead’? ‘Tortured and put to death’?
    Makes them sound like… savages!
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:23pm
    - yossarian
      
      Dare I say it… “Stone age savages”
      
      Fact, many of those slaughtered would have been hacked to death with green stone mere.
      
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      February 13, 2021 1:35pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Greenstone mere were pretty uncommon..
        folks more likely to have been speared or clubbed with end of a taiaha.
        
        Whale bone mere and greywacke patu also used.
        https://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/56751
        
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        February 13, 2021 4:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, Kowtow, be careful. It seems to be offensive to say pre-Cook Maori were still using stone tools, let alone talk about their carnivorous cuisine!
      
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      February 13, 2021 1:42pm
  - Ruahine
    
    That account will have to be rewritten a.s.a.p.
    
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    February 13, 2021 2:25pm
- BAM
  
  Why do you read this shit.
  Are you a masochist?
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:34am
  - Harriet
    
    Not in recent times and that’s due to reading and learning from shit like this, unlike some who still go about clubbing people.
    
    When again was the last time a whitey stole maori land anyway, or the government hung one, or someone illegally shot one? 😎
    
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    February 13, 2021 8:21pm
- Swifty
  
  Not having been present at the events of which you speak (and if I was I would have done my utmost to prevent them), I can only look objectively at what else was happening around the same place at around the same time and conclude this sort of activity, repugnant as it is to our modern tastes, was quite widespread. Common even. Somewhat banal, some might say. Especially as this had been going on in Aotearoa for centuries before Europeans arrived.
  
  I mean, Te Rauparaha was determined to wipe out all who opposed him, Ngapuhi’s raids of invasion, murder and enslavement were legendary, the holocaust perpetuated on the Moriori on the Chathams fits the bill, among many, many other similar events.
  
  I am at a genuine loss as to know why Stuff, the august organ that it is, seems determined to highlight the misdeeds of only one side in this orgy of violence, enslavement and even cannibalism going on at this time.
  
  Perhaps there is something I am missing here. Or perhaps not, and Stuff will be along very shortly with piece after piece after piece, month after month, of Maori misdeeds; doing everything they can to saturate modern Maori in the disgraceful murderous, rapine and genocidal excesses of their forebears.
  
  You know, for balance.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:40am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Battle of Towton, just outside York is considered to be te bloodiest battle on English Soil. Most of the Lancastrian side were killed.
  
  The bloodiest war in British History when the number of people killed as a % of the population is the English Civil War.
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:02am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    More English died in one day at Towton than 455 years later on the notorious first day of the Somme.
    
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    February 13, 2021 1:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Scott Hamilton also provides interesting and challenging comments here on Kiwiblog.
  The Stuff piece on Tierra del Fuego (not Patagonia as such) was very interesting. I had no idea that new Zealanders went over there and introduced modern sheep farming (and enthusiastically participated in genocide).
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:02am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I understood, from my history lessons at college, that it was the Welsh who introduced sheep farming to Argentina – in the Patagonia region. First time I ever heard about New Zealanders being involved.
    It it woke bullshit ??
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      Here’s a video about British settlement of southern Argentina and southern Chile. It even suggests that the southern part of these countries at one stage could have become a British dependency.
      
      https://youtu.be/y0T09vf41ew
      
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      February 13, 2021 1:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        Wasn’t just English, Scots, Welsh, Irish, and a handful of New Zealanders and Australians …
        
        Butch Cassidy, the Sundance Kid, and Etta Place, on the run from America, bought a farm in Patagonia, and lived there until they got bored and when back to robbery in Bolivia.
        
        That was the end of the trail for them.
        
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        February 13, 2021 1:59pm
    - Mike
      
      You don’t believe Cameron existed?
      
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      February 13, 2021 1:48pm
      - john
        
        The Cameron family were still in Argentina around 1990 as we as a group stayed with them at Estancia Maori in the Mar de Plata region. It was a farming tour and we had a couple of days with them. Got the full history from there back through to NZ.
        
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        February 13, 2021 7:40pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’m sure there were regular runs by sailing ship from Dunedin to Tierra del Fuego across the roaring 40’s and below. With a cargo of man-eating sheep (fed up with a grass only diet) it would have been tricky. Great compensation though battling the terrible elements with only a modest chance of getting there and even less of getting home.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:40pm
  - Swifty
    
    I agree, I welcome Scott’s contributions here.
    
    On all matters of human affairs let’s go in the direction where the evidence takes us. This is a challenging and difficult task at times, but I urge us all to do it.
    
    Let’s all seek the truth, at all times.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      Of course, DPF runs this as a free-speech haven.
      
      Usually Scott Hamilton often pops up and participates when his name crops up in a thread.
      
      Are you there, Scott?
      
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      February 13, 2021 1:50pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Not well-appreciated is that Tainui responded to a call to protect Auckland from a Ngapuhi attack. And were later rewarded by being told their lands were being taken, starting with those in Manukau.
      Governer Grey in an upcoming doco is described as an opiate addict who was finally seen by Tainui as tricky or 2 faced. Less trustworthy than its enemy Ngapuhi it prevails.
      Scott’s reasoning re holocaust was no doubt fed by women being raped, mothers and babies being shot after the abandonment of Pa built at Rangiririri. One such woman who escaped, Wikitoria, was renamed to reflect the horror she had seen and she survived.
      Added to that would be the killing of Maori women and children in an area agreed to be for non-combatants, some were burnt alive in a Church by the troops after seeing some of those that left before them were shot.
      The dope addled Grey seems easy to have avoided Auckland being attacked from the North and South because of differences between the tribes, and also from behind when marching South to join the gunships with their own cannon ready to bombard the Maori fortifications at Rangiriri.
      Those comforted by the results of tribal war in the past to overlook the treachery and savagery of the British have missed the bus, again. Including the fact, it was British ships that took the Taranaki tribes to the Chathams.
      The doco is very clear that the Wars are not over and never were, just restyled for survival over a much longer game.
      This will I suppose be part of the new history that is taught, the history “whitewashed,” and perhaps symbolised by the memorial at Rangiriri where all the British killed by soldiers are buried individually with names recorded while dead Maori are buried in a single grave.
      No wonder that Hamilton’s statute of Naval Captain Hamilton was recently removed.
      
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      February 13, 2021 2:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        Amid the statements in Brian McDonald’s 2.11 rant, he repeats again:
        
        “… it was British ships that took the Taranaki tribes to the Chathams.”
        
        There’s no way you can blame the British for the Chathams genocide.
        
        This was before the Treaty of Waitangi. You have a small sailing ship, a Sydney-based merchant vessel, the Rodney, that trades with Maori. Two war parties want to go to the Chathams. They seize the Rodney and it takes them the Chathams.
        
        Intimidation of the captain by the Maori included taking the first mate hostage during which he was injured, and, according to the captain, sacrifice of dogs and of a girl.
        
        You read about it here:
        
        http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document/Volume_1_1892/Volume_1,_No._3,_1892/The_occupation_of_the_Chatham_Islands_by_the_Maoris_in_1835%3A_Part_II_-_The_migration_of_Ngatiawa_to_Chatham_Island,_by_A._Shand,_p154-163/p1
        
        When Brian McDonald takes offence at Maori war dead being buried in a mass grave while the British dead were buried in individual graves, he might ponder that in some of the land wars, British and colonial dead were eaten.
        
        Von Tempsky was one of 20 colonial troops whose bodies were given a mass cremation.
        
        Not much different from a mass grave, B. McD.
        
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        February 13, 2021 2:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s an interesting e-book/thesis on Grey and his activities in NZ, South Australia and South Africa… written by Bernard Cadogan.
        
        https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/stout-centre/research-units/towru/publications/A-Terrible-and-Fatal-Man-Sir-George-Grey.pdf
        
        Cadogan is an advisor to Tūheitia Paki, the Maori king.
        He has been an advisor to quite a few other folk on the NZ political scene.
        http://www.egeria.co.nz/about/
        
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        February 13, 2021 2:53pm
      - Tall Man
        
        For many the sins of the past are never forgotten or forgiven.
        
        Imagine living that way, it must be very debilitating.
        
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        February 13, 2021 3:03pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Jack5.
        I couldn’t open your link so can’t confirm its authenticity or reliability but all privateers were looking out for their own benefits and hardly likely to admit any guilt or even be pressured to do so. Sorry to pop your delusions but it’s not like they didn’t do any gun-running or trading. That was one of the currencies of the time, also transporting goods or passengers.
        Below is a link that mentions people like you Tom arguing “what about the Moriori?” Even one of your heroes, Don Brash is mentioned.
        Moriori were subject to the TOW but turned down by Maori Land Court in having their land returned.
        In your heated anonymous rant, you overlooked speaking about the atrocities perpetrated on the Tainui women and children.
        https://e-tangata.co.nz/reflections/moriori-still-setting-the-record-straight/
        
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        February 13, 2021 6:32pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Oh Lord, so much wrong with your history.
        I took part in the 150th commemorations with Iwi for events, including Rangiriri.
        …””mothers and babies being shot after the abandonment of Pa built at Rangiririri”…
        Absolute fantasy, and slander. The pa was not abandnoned. It was a line of trench, with a central redoubt, and over the Maori defenders surrendered the morning after a prolong assault the day before. This was no a living pa with ‘babies’ in it, it was a purpose built fortification.
        My Lord, you are speaking some rubbish.
        If women were shot, like is suggested by some, when swimming over the lake which flanked the defences, the note that contemporary accounts which noted women casualties in a later battle expressed regret, and said that the women in that case had their hair cut short.
        So what does a bobbing head, swimming from a battlesite look like at say, 200, 400 or 600 yards?
        Read some actual history and don’t repeat falsehoods and distortion.
        The prisoners taken at Rangiriri were eventually housed on Kawau Island, and escaped one night, and were not molested when they said they didnt intend to return.
        These are the facts. Do some research into the detail.
        
        The myth of the church burning at Rangioawhia is ludicruous, and demonstratably false. Some defended whare were burnt, but it seems likely that the defenders or the soldiers outside set the fire by muskets firing in and out. (This is why blackpowder needs special permits to hunt in Doc land, I have seen a musket spark held in a punga in the bush from a single barrel).
        There were 2 churches at Rangioawhia. The Anglican one is still there today, and in use. The Catholic mission never flourish there and it was dismantled in 1931.
        There are photos of the missing church, and even paintings after the fighting showing both churches present and troops in a redoubt (later the rural school, and now a community hall premises).
        Visit the sites, read. These are facts.
        There was even a Bishop who was unattached, but was present with the British forces, and his account he scolding returning soldiers for looted pigs, and one of the soldiers had a pieces of headgear from the Catholic church on a donkey which angered him.
        The wounded Maori were treated in the same facilities as the troops. You can see the site today, in Te Awamutu, and even graves.
        There was no good reason to remove the Captain Hamilton statue either. There is nothing in the character of the man, or they way he died, to justify the unhinged comments of a local loud-mouthed kumatua. He died leading soldiers and sailors in battle, but the Battle of Gate pa is not a story of anything more than a British defeat, and one where both sides conducted themselves with humanity – it is famous for Col. Booth having water brought to him when mortally wounded in the Maori trenches.
        A lot of the worst stories I hear these days are demonstrably false or else very dubious.
        People have a lot of emotion, and seem to lose their heads. Certain historians are playing up to this, and getting more attention than they should. Shameful.
        The true history is not ‘Goodies and Baddies’.
        Do not spread lies, invention and inflammatory myths, or pretend the hearsay you are sharing here is NZ history.
        
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        February 13, 2021 9:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s strange, Brian McD, for the link opens in my old PC.
        
        In your 6.31 post, you say of the brig the Taranaki Maori hijacked for the invasion of the Chathams: “It’s not like they didn’t do any gun-running or trading.”
        
        I’m sure they did trade with Maori. Why else would they be over from Australia before the 1840 Treaty?
        
        As for gun running: if they were doing this, and you offer no evidence of that, perhaps they had already sold any muskets they had aboard. If they had guns they might have put up a fight against the hijackers.
        
        Typically in response to me and other posters using pseudonyms, you have a dig about our anonymity.
        
        If there were as many people with the same name as me as there are people named “Brian McDonald” I wouldn’t need a pseudonym. 🙃
        
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        February 13, 2021 9:40pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Land of Fire.
    Named I believe after Magellen transited the starights named after him ( Actually East to West, Which was one hell of a feat).
    All adventurers made a fortune out of wool farming and some fascinating characters and books wriiten.
    These were modern day adventurers and made Argentina one of the richest in the World , All by working the land.
    Fascinating place, torres del payne, Ushauia, No place for fools.
    I think one such legent was a settle called Jimmy, ( really cant remember name of book, But fascinating in its insight to how tough life was).
    On another note, RMM would of lasted 2 days down there.
    Worked down there and transited some amazing places.
    
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    February 13, 2021 4:16pm
Maggie Pie

And here’s another thing. Has anyone else noticed what absolute shite so called ‘Stainless Steel’ is these days?
About a year ago we paid nearly 3 grand for a barbie to keep up at the beach – my partner has just txt to say the lid and stand thing are already showing signs of rust 🙁
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February 13, 2021 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Buy American. I have a ‘Buffalo’ from Hauland
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:04am
- Tall Man
  
  304 is very different from 316.
  
  Look closely and you will also find non stainless screws and or bolts/nuts in the BBQ and there is a spray which provide some protection, probably best not to use the stuff from the Chinese shop of which you are so fond 😉
  
  https://www.crc.co.nz/Stainless-Steel–Zinc/6895-391b8b85-09c4-48cf-8756-4d0d490fe926/
  
  No guarantees it will add to the flavour though………. nor catch fire 🙂
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    303 is similar to 304, but is free machining. Easier to work with. 316 remains the best for marine, but harder and more expensive.
    I work in the marine industry
    
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    February 13, 2021 2:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Recently I’ve seen quite a few “stainless” fittings as mandated by the building code and they are rusting within weeks of being installed.
      
      I am aware that the iron tools used leave micro deposits but the “stainless” is just crap whereas well plated galvanised products last years.
      
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      February 13, 2021 2:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just buy an LPG patio heater and watch it turn to shit. I have had 2 in 5 years. Finally went infrared electric over the spa. Sometimes too hot
        
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        February 13, 2021 2:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Galv is good, but a dirty process according to the climate change wanks. Beware of Dacromet – it is not all it is made out to be, the zinc migrates or leaches
        
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        February 13, 2021 2:39pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, I get the impression there are too many “chinks” in your stainless steel.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:17am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie,
  Questions… Is the whole thing stainless or with some normal painted metal (rust prone) parts?
  What grade stainless?
  Buy a cheapie and just bin it every year?
  cindy and the red/greens have killed LPG in the near future, go wood burner?
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:21am
- Nickc2
  
  When buying anything made of stainless steel, always ask for Grade 316 (Marine Grade) it contains high amounts of chromium and nickel.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:44am
  - virtualmark
    
    316 has the same amount of chromium and nickel as 304.
    
    But 316 adds molybdenum, which protects against chloride corrosion. Which is why 304 will still “corrode” in salt water environments.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:55pm
- Master Mariner
  
  LOL, steel aint steel.
  
  Always check the grade,
  
  Sea we have 314 Marine grade as per Class requirements.
  
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  February 13, 2021 4:19pm
- CJames
  
  Technically 400 grade steels can be called stainless as they are over 12% chrome. This is what many knives, exhaust pipes and the like are made from. It rusts after a while. It is magnetic while the 300 series are non magnetic. And in sea air, many 300 series including 316, can corrode, especially if attached to a different material so the salty water acts as a battery. Crevice corrosion is a real issue. You can also get corrosion near welds if not done properly.
  
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  February 13, 2021 6:41pm
Fletch

More details about the strange death of officer Brian Sicknick on Jan 6. It’s almost like reporting of his “death” was preempted by media and became a self fulfilling prophecy. It turned out after all the media reports said he had been killed during the “riot” with a fire extinguisher, he was actually home and fine according to his brother Ken who he had exchanged texts with. The next thing you know, he experiences a random “stroke”, it is reported he is dead and his body is cremated immediately, with the autopsy not allowed to be released.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/maga-blood-libel-why-are-they-hiding-the-medical-report/

Sounds like he knew something, or was the scapegoat so the headlines would read that a cop had been killed.
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February 13, 2021 10:07am
Fletch

An aide for Gov Andrew Cuomo admits they hid the data over nursing home deaths (Cuomo ordered nursing homes to take patients who were Covid-positive being released from hospitals) because they were afraid the Feds would find out.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/cuomo-aide-admits-they-hid-nursing-home-data-from-feds/

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/02/11/andrew-cuomos-aide-admits-ny-hid-covid-19-nursing-home-deaths-to-avoid-federal-investigation/
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February 13, 2021 10:11am
Maggie Pie

I see Trumpy’s lawyers are finally delivering the pain.
Good job!
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February 13, 2021 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, you refer to the recordings of Biden & Co wanting to ‘harm’ Trump? As if the demented Joe could raise a fist to 6 foot 4 Donald.
  
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  February 13, 2021 10:52am
- mikenmildagain
  
  His moronic defence lawyers probably still think they will get paid for this job, too.
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:07am
BananaLlama

Man Changed with Murder.
https://archive.fo/RlLPP
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February 13, 2021 10:43am
Suze Wainwright

10-week old Rottweiler puppy forceably abducted from a young person while out walking in Auckland. No physical description of the offender, other than them being ‘a man’ (possibly associated with others in a dark Mazda sedan).

Helpful and interesting…
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February 13, 2021 10:46am
oldfella

Chris Trotter, over at Bowalley Road, raises some serious concerns over Labour’s proposed NZ history curriculum.
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Reading between the lines of the government’s draft history curriculum the full extent of its revisionist ambitions soon become clear. Rather than the history of the colony-cum-nation-state that the world knows (pro-tem?) as New Zealand, the next generation of young New Zealanders will learn that the history of these islands actually began somewhere between a thousand and eight hundred years ago. In other words our national narrative must be understood as a Maori – not a Pakeha – story.

Indeed, the role assigned to the Pakeha in this narrative is almost entirely negative. At best, they might be described as disruptors. At worst, they will be painted as destroyers and appropriators: agents of an alien power that imposed its will unjustly on Aotearoa’s original inhabitants. If the history of this country is envisaged as a Hollywood western, then the Pakeha are wearing the black hats – they’re the baddies.
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/
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February 13, 2021 10:50am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori have been overcompensated already. Time to stop the farce. We are being set up again for more claims. Let them pay taxes properly on what they earn.
  
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  February 13, 2021 12:43pm
  - kowtow
    
    And so have the Media Pardy .
    
    There’s a news item on interest.co.nz about our decades of under investing in infrastructure .
    
    No money for poo pipes and lamp poles , so much money for Maoris and Media .
    
    No wonder there’s shit on the beaches , and it ain’t cow poo.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:50pm
- ISeeRed
  
  I have noticed a trend in Hollywood in having a racially and gender diverse band of “good guys” but mostly white men as the “bad guys”. It’s subtle programming but it’s still programming nevertheless. (I’m sure there’s a Nazi propaganda comparison to be made, but I wouldn’t want to trigger anyone.)
  
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  February 14, 2021 2:39pm
I remember when

I notice the media are starting to drip feed the bad news about the economy.
The fact that tourism is fighting for its life, not just the overseas tourists but the industry as a whole.
That the cost of the lockdown hasn’t gone away but is becoming front and central for many businesses.
The debt hasn’t gone away it has just been parked in a cul de sac for later decision making.
That many of the answers to short-term problems are going to be long-term.
Many businesses have made, or are going to make, chances the effect of which are not yet wholly known.
It wont happen… but it will happen.
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February 13, 2021 10:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Contract work has slowed, payments have slowed, jobs are teetering on the line. A Do-Nothing govt cannot shake up an economy they do not understand. Workers are still isolating and now many have changed to working from home permanently. That’s exciting for basic trade–where’s our business, we can barely pay our staff, never mind our small reward. Expect more. I’m on standby for a massive global recession. Does the Min Fin know the meaning of GDP and the significance of production yet?
  
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  February 13, 2021 12:51pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep Kicking Can down the road,
  Why the hell prop up failing businesses past 6 months.
  The world has changed and will probably never be same again.
  Let that sink in.
  Money squandered is beyond belief and Absolutely nothing to show for it.
  
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  February 13, 2021 4:24pm
oldfella

Hey, man, it’s different when the left do it…
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Biden Breaks Promise to ‘Fire People on the Spot’ if They Treat Others with Disrespect – Places Hostile, Misogynistic Deputy Press Sec on One-Week Suspension
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/biden-breaks-promise-fire-people-spot-treat-others-disrespect-places-hostile-misogynistic-deputy-press-sec-one-week-suspension/
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February 13, 2021 10:58am
- The Feed
  
  “it’s different when the left do it…”
  
  C’mon man. C’mon. It’s the thing.
  
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  February 13, 2021 1:38pm
Maggie Pie

Pancho’s boyfriend is here on a 6 month ‘Visitors Visa’.

Similar to the one granted Golriz’s bestie, Behrouz.

Just saying.
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February 13, 2021 11:00am
- Swifty
  
  Will there be claims he cannot return to Tijuana because of the Covid risk?
  
  Sending him back is inhumane?
  
  NZ has medical services unavailable in Mexico so sending him back WILL BE HIS DEATH SENTENCE!!!!!!
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:22am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yet another refugee in peril…
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:36am
- redflagged
  
  The question has now been asked to see how special this privilege is.
  
  https://fyi.org.nz/request/14670-number-of-foreign-citizens-that-entered-nz-on-a-6-month-visitor-visa-in-the-last-6-months/new
  
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  February 13, 2021 4:13pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Fantastic, ill follow. well done.
    
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    February 13, 2021 4:25pm
  - fernglas
    
    A lot of Kiwis have partners who aren’t NZ citizens or permanent residents. The 6 month visa is to enable them to apply for residency on the basis of their relationship.
    
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    February 13, 2021 4:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WHOAH! Thx RF. Never done that before. Might start.
    Will they give a clear concise answer…. or look to obfuscate?
    This whole saga still has a lot of legs I reckon.
    
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    February 13, 2021 4:59pm
I remember when

Maggie Pie @9.54am
Rust never sleeps.
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February 13, 2021 11:01am
Loddenthinks

I can’t remember what it was called, and have no wish to cause others the pain I went through, but I sort-of accidentally caught the last 5 minutes of some execrable wanker on TV last evening who wrote and presented the most unimaginable bilge regarding Governor George Grey.

Evidently the Maaaaori were organised, peaceable, friendly, generous all-round good guys, all living in harmony and love before the evil settlers and the despicable Grey arrived. Grey was a war criminal don’t cha know?

It was supposed to be presented in a comic style but there was nothing funny about it, and not in the way the wanker that got funding for this intended. I’m mulling over a complaint to the BSA – I know it’ll be rejected but it might tie them up for 5 minutes so we’ll see.
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February 13, 2021 11:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, Grey’s plan to invade and conquer the Waikato lands under a false pretext would probably qualify as a war crime under modern definitions, but we would probably be better to consider him by 19th century standards – even in his own time he was a controversial figure.
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Would you have done any better? Would you like tikanga Maori restored along with utu?
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:54pm
- oldfella
  
  He was probably reading from the new NZ history curriculum. (I’ve already linked today to Chris Trotter’s excellent take on that project.
  Still waiting for moderation last time I looked. )
  Basically, a summary of Ayoteearowan history will come down to:
  “Brown man real good, bro. White fulla all shit, eh?”
  There’s an A+ right there for any student.
  
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  February 13, 2021 11:54am
  - lifesgood
    
    When my son was at Uni he told me the easiest way to get good marks in his anthropology papers was to write women with a capital W, men with a small m, maori with a capital M and pakeha with a small p. That pretty much sums up the state of our universities. He got his degree.
    
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    February 13, 2021 1:15pm
Jack5

The diversity campaign reaches boardrooms …

Republicans are fighting a move by Nasdaq, the No. 2 stock exchange in the United States, to require the 3,000 or so companies listed on it to include women, racial minorities and LGBT individuals on their boards.

The Wall Street Journal reports the 12 Republicans on the Senate’s Banking Committee have called on the Securities and Exchange Commission A(SEC) to reject Nasdaq’s proposal

The senators praised companies for efforts to “recruiting, promoting, and maintaining diverse talent,” but they said in a statement:

”“However, it is not the role of Nasdaq…to act as an arbitrator of social policy or force a prescriptive one-size-fits-all solution upon markets and investors.”

The senators argued that board members should be chosen on merit and ability to improve corporate performance, and that choosing them based on a “narrowly-defined concept of diversity” could undermine that goal.

Under Nasdaq’s proposal, listed companies would have to have at least one woman on their boards, in addition to a director who is a racial minority or one who self-identifies as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or queer. Companies that filed to meet the standard would have to justify their position.

In a review last year, Nasdaq found that more than three-quarters of its companies wouldn’t have met the proposed requirements.

Nasdaq’s rival, the New York Stock Exchange, ithe world’s largest stock exchange, hasn’t proposed rules on board diversity.
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February 13, 2021 11:25am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Promoting someone based on their gender is sexist.
  Promoting someone based on their race is racist.
  Seeking to achieve equality of outcome will lead down a very dark path.
  
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  February 13, 2021 1:22pm
oldfella

Yahoo looks at the stoush between the Aussie government and Big Tech.
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In Australia, regulators have zeroed-in on the firms’ online advertising dominance and the impact that has on struggling news media.
According to Australia’s competition watchdog, for every $100 spent on online advertising, Google captures $53, Facebook takes $28 and the rest is shared out among others.
To level the playing field, Australia wants Google and Facebook to pay for using expensive-to-produce news content in their searches and feeds.
https://news.yahoo.com/why-world-watching-australias-big-062053270.html
I’m sure Cindy could find the money to bail out our media if they fell on hard times. And to keep them sweet. Fifty million would be a good start.
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February 13, 2021 11:36am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/124204845/christchurch-council-spends-nearly-30000-undoing-councillors-unapproved-trench

This is the perfect example of the stupidity, ideology and incompetence of local government.
Not the elected members but the brainwashed idiots on the staff.
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February 13, 2021 11:46am
oldfella

Next time you think China is being ‘careless’ with the truth, remember that their young people are being taught by oddballs like this man, and his views are not as fringy as you might expect.
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Professor Huang Heqing of Zhejiang University, one of the most eminent schools in China, is teaching his students that all of Western history is a hoax and that everything, from the pyramids to Shakespeare to the Mona Lisa, are modern fakes meant to belittle China.
https://notthebee.com/article/professor-at-distinguished-chinese-university-claims-all-of-western-civilization-including-the-pyramids-were-faked-to-weaken-the-glory-of-china
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February 13, 2021 12:01pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls at tennis was warning there are a number of ‘scam emails’ doing the rounds from a very rich Nigerian Prince, proposing marriage to a what he describes as…. ‘a fuller-figured woman’

That should arouse suspicion for a start.
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February 13, 2021 12:24pm
- oldfella
  
  A fuller-figured woman? Fuller than what? This ‘hot’ babe?
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10879747/woman-32st-marry-man-encourages-eat-10000-calories/
  
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  February 13, 2021 12:47pm
Don Beckett

It obviously cuts out your chances Maggie . 😉
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February 13, 2021 12:40pm
BAM

Who else thinks Maggie Pie is actually Morrissey Breen?
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February 13, 2021 1:14pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  If you’re sad tomorrow about being alone on Valentine’s Day, just remember…..nobody gives a fcuk about you on the other days of the year either.
  
  LOL!!
  
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  February 13, 2021 3:00pm
Surely Knott

Who will be put in the social media stocks for wrong think today? It’s a teacher who sent a 5g, deep state email to his colleagues, now on the cover of RNZ. Gasp. According to wikipedia, “The deep state is a conspiracy theory which suggests that collusion and cronyism exist within the U.S. political system….” Well that obviously can’t be true.
His email said, ” “many people are trying to curb freedom of speech” and “I believe that a time is coming when teachers might lose their jobs over these issues”.” Prescient. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/436315/ministry-of-education-moves-against-covid-19-conspiracy-email-sent-by-teacher?fbclid=IwAR02Z3HFlJzDZ3j4VvBkNFUL_oTIMTrfQP1ODpuH_nf1kM3LahJuzUFSimA
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February 13, 2021 2:10pm
Maggie Pie

And have you noticed that it’s always men shaped like a collapsed sponge, that comment on women’s looks?

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1360322703761227780
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February 13, 2021 2:39pm
- oldfella
  
  Collapsed sponge? I resemble that insult. 😉
  
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  February 13, 2021 3:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Who are the real troublemakers in the US?
https://rumble.com/vdsggj-trump-lawyers-play-montage-that-leaves-impeachment-dems-stunned-silent.html?
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February 13, 2021 3:02pm
- Mike
  
  Stunned? Stunned by the incompetence of Trump’s defence lawyers perhaps.
  
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  February 13, 2021 3:47pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep. As one commentator said, the Democrats have nothing. They are making it up as they go along.
  
  Perhaps the most central issue is there was no hearing in the House, no witnesses or evidence presented, and no record of the case from which to work. Essentially, the House Managers are scrambling all over the place and are making this up as they go along presenting a case based on feelings, anonymous sources, and articles from clearly biased news outlets that reflect inaccuracies. Moreover, they neglect the timeline in that the attack on the Capitol was actually transpiring as President Donald Trump was still on the stage giving his speech.
  
  The House Managers continue to pull things out of the hat which aren’t true and are at odds with their stated theory of the case.
  
  House Managers cases is akin to a house of cards described in the movie “My Cousin Vinny.” Their ‘evidence’ includes citing media articles that are unreliable and trial by innuendo and conjecture versus the actual facts. They’ve failed to establish anything about Trump’s direction or involvement.
  
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  February 13, 2021 5:50pm
70andstilllearning

Geez – why can’t all you boaties around AKL/NS set up a weather station or two near the coast?. At least then the rest of us plebs around the country could take a guess as to whether AC races have a chance of starting as time approaches on a race day?
Mind you, Bream Bay would be a pretty good area to run this sort of operation : ) as an alternative.
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February 13, 2021 3:24pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yeah there is a group of individual weather enthusiests and you can log on to there data.
  
  Sorry unsure of site as still at sea. But should be easy to find.
  Good site actually and have a look.
  I always use windyweather.com
  Check them out , free.
  
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  February 13, 2021 4:35pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Ta MM – use SM and a few others and appreciate new option but trying to convince a few a bit south of where I live to install some real time. Given population sea use I’m a little surprised at the the lack of open source but it is a 150′ ish k south so maybe shouldn’t be too surprised : ) .
    
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    February 13, 2021 5:41pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Here it is Mate.
      
      This what you are after. real time.
      
      https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap
      
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      February 13, 2021 9:39pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Coastguard have weather stations. I think they are available on line.
  Also predictwind.com, which i use, may give you access to weather stations around the Hauraki Gulf.
  
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  February 13, 2021 6:53pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Thanks alex for another option to look at for AC. CG unit that I used to be active with has one a bit northwest of above area I referred, I was just really surprised how few greater AKL /gulf eastern coastal WS’s appeared on the MetS map when I took a quick look mid afternoon to see if the NE’ster was coming in and racing might actually be a possibility, particularly given the number of people down there having boats that use the inner gulf.
    
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    February 13, 2021 9:23pm
Cobolt24

Our new analysis of U.S. surface temperatures: after adjustment for urbanization, U.S. warming trend is cut in half (using a mostly independent dataset).

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2021/02/urban-heat-island-effects-on-u-s-temperature-trends-1973-2020-ushcn-vs-hourly-weather-stations
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February 13, 2021 3:26pm
oldfella

Kamala [ Mod : generally you can expect that an attempt to start a “discussion” with us will be binned. Take it up with DPF if unhappy or you can always voice your complaint on another blog ]
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February 13, 2021 3:33pm
Master Mariner

Myanmar Update.
We new they had released Prisoners to disrupt demonstrations 10 days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-2vF1C14Ik

Now heres the thing and a challenge for New Foreign Affairs Minister.
Singapore is the biggest Investor in Myanmar followed by China.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/jade-and-rubies-how-myanmars-military-amassed-its-fortune

What statement is she going to make as sanctions from US leaves Singapore announcing nothing.
Apart from banning all military support ( SFA) from NZ but made a big splash on world News.

This will require an announcement from PM , Which Im sure will be missing in action be my guess.
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February 13, 2021 3:53pm
Maggie Pie

Just switched on the telly to watch the AC.
Was hoping to catch a glimpse of my partner out there among the other spectator boats.

You’d have to wonder why TV1 never had the likes of Chris Dixon and Brad Butterfield in the commentary team – instead of wasting time crossing to that Maori guy doing silly jokes.

I mean, honestly……
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February 13, 2021 3:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  two ex cricket players who are experts at 2021 sailing //
  
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  February 13, 2021 4:02pm
  - redflagged
    
    Most carefully pronounced and special emphasis word of the entire competition.
    
    Waitematā
    
    I wonder why.
    
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    February 13, 2021 4:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Paid to say so. Ten are coy
      
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      February 13, 2021 5:10pm
      - Swifty
        
        Tin a cocoa.
        
        Tin a coffee.
        
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        February 13, 2021 6:43pm
- mister nui
  
  I mean, honestly…..
  
  Worse than that [ Mod : Nope. Calm down. Family and travel advice a bit pointless ]
  
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  February 13, 2021 4:08pm
- Swifty
  
  Brad Butterworth:
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/10/america-s-cup-2021-luna-rossa-tactician-brad-butterworth-urges-auckland-mayor-phil-goff-to-fix-stouth-with-team-nz.html
  
  Paul Butterfield:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3LEhfbKCSc
  
  (Butterfield: voice, harp.)
  
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  February 13, 2021 4:19pm
- Fletch
  
  Who joked about swimmers in the water being eaten by sharks. They all had a good laugh about it….
  
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  February 13, 2021 5:48pm
Maggie Pie

See why people like me aren’t interested in the silly ACup?

The race was over before it even f…ing started!!

Honestly
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February 13, 2021 5:04pm
Don Beckett

Prada did very well today – obviously learned & gained from there racing in the semis.
Ben Ainsley has work to do, & probably suffering from lack of sailing over the past 2 weeks – they’ve gotta find some pace – Spittle was all over them.
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February 13, 2021 5:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Jimmy’s a WINNER Donald.
  That’s why so many people hate him 😀
  
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  February 13, 2021 6:00pm
Jack5

Mmmm…

Green list MP Golriz Ghahraman seems to be the face of the challenge to Air New Zealand for doing business with the Saudi military.

Ghahraman is an ethnic-Iranian New Zealander. The Greens say she came to the country as a refugee.

Iran and Saudi-Arabia are the two players behind the war in Yemen.

On State TV tonight, in a brief interview with Ghahraman, the issue of Air NZ doing business with the Turkish military was also raised, and Turkey’s activities in war-torn Syria were mentioned.

Turkey and Iran are rivals in Syria, as the link below shows.

What is going on? Is Air New Zealand being hammered for doing business with countries with which we aren’t at war? If Turkey and Saudi Arabia, why not question trade with Iran, too?

New Zealand is a tiny trading nation that lives by its exports. If a minor and radical political party is able to wind up our State-fed media on this, where will trading bans be advocated next? Are the Melon Greens going to attack NZ trade with the United States? With Australia? With China?

In the meantime, if Saudi Arabia and Turkey are targets, why not Iran, too?
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February 13, 2021 6:21pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Jack5:
  
  Golriz Ghahraman said this on Twitter:
  
  What Air NZ appears to have done goes well beyond corporate ethics- it was aiding and abetting serious international humanitarian crimes. I’m calling for an independent investigation, beyond the company’s internal processes, that includes individual criminal accountability.
  
  I guess this Golriz Ghahraman, who professes to be concerned about international humanitarian crimes and individual criminal accountability, isn’t the same Golriz Ghahraman as this one: Golriz Ghahraman explains smiling photo with convicted genocide perpetrator.
  
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  February 13, 2021 8:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops! I left a link off my 6.21 post, sorry.
    
    The following article outlines rivalry between Turkey and Iran, most recently evident in the Caucasus with Turkey giving Azerbaijan gas transmission to Europe priority over transmission of Iranian gas.
    
    https://www.mei.edu/publications/iran-and-turkey-power-dynamics-south-caucasus
    
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    February 13, 2021 9:31pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yeah of real interest to me as well.
  
  in my mind she is guilty by association. The association is NZ government by being Major share holder.
  Reading the Code of Conduct and there definately is a case for “Due Dilligence”.
  I think evryone is missing the important bits,
  Namely.
  NZ Government has a high moral ground in regards to conflicts and war zones and is a signatory to ICCPR ?
  Greens and Labour ( Im sure as well) have some loopy mission statements as to what they stand for.
  Are they not guilty by being in power. Own goal?
  FWIW Iran support the Houthi rebels mainly because of there natural enemies the Saudis.
  So, How can a “refugee” from Iran born in 80’s ( Already under Ayotolla since 1980 become a Refugee, Was her family siding with the Shah who got disposed off in 1979? And still living there before escaping? In which case you think she would have some anti Muslim sentiments running deep in her family?
  The issue I believe is the “perception” of dealing ill reputable governments in wars. You can through in Saudi and Turkey amongst most of Middlle East.
  Food and armaments are too different things.
  Like i said if you make a hand granade handle but didnt know it was for a granade, Then are you complicit.
  Yes you are. No defense.
  It boils down to anti corruption, Business ethics,Bribery,Political contributions,Keeping of records, sanctions. engaging an agent /consultant.
  
  All these are on any multi national business that wishes to operate internationally. This is what is “Audited” for any international corporation to work over seas.
  Any alarm bells in the above list? Sure is.
  
  Who is custodian of these Policies?
  Question in my mind NZ as major shareholder which minister is responsible for there actions? Robinson?
  Sorry for rambling, but there must be a more astute person on here who can explain it more accurately than me.
  I think this may have further implications for Air NZ internationally than people realise.
  Your thoughts?
  
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