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Maggie Pie

Word of the day……

RETROMINGENCY
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February 25, 2021 8:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A hose may need to be fitted in human use.
  Problems of gender, physical or imagined may arise too. What are the gender fluid to do?
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:09am
- doublehappy
  
  An animal that urinates backward. To save everyone from looking it up. Example; Racoon.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:14am
- oldfella
  
  Had to look that up, Maggie. I must admit I thought it was a word for left-wing politicians who ‘talk out of their a*se’ (most of them).
  You learn something new every day on KB.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yep – had to look it up myself. It was part of the very wordy description in the Vet’s invoice for the Bladder Op they did on Gladys.
    Need to justify the cost somehow I guess 🙁
    
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    February 25, 2021 11:21am
- hookerphil
  
  Don’t annoy a cow while milking or you may get a visual demonstration.
  
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  February 25, 2021 2:54pm
Tony Stuart

That narrative from Labour that the growth of gangs has been driven by the 501’s returning from Australia; guess what, it’s not true:

The Government has consistently pointed the finger at Australia, saying deportees are fueling the gang boom.

“It’s exacerbated by the deportation that the Australian Government has undertaken,” said Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. “It most certainly contributed to what we’re seeing in New Zealand now. Absolutely.”

But Newshub can reveal that is not the case.

Of the 2500 new gang members in the last three years, only 41 are deportees from Australia. That makes up just 1.7 percent of the new recruits.

“The Prime Minister seems to like blaming Australia for our problems, but in this case the data does not support her position,” says ACT leader David Seymour. “This gang growth under her Government is 98 percent homegrown.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/australian-deportees-make-up-minuscule-amount-of-new-zealand-s-gang-explosion.html

Is anyone truly surprised that the Government is either ill-informed, or deliberately misleading us?
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February 25, 2021 8:06am
- redeye
  
  I’m surprised she could say ‘exacerbated’ correctly.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:22am
  - namron
    
    I agree, “redeye,” if she can’t handle been [bin] –
    “exacerbated” is going to be far too hard and would need hours of practice!
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    She meant to say exacerdated . . .
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:51am
    - Don Beckett
      
      No, she was trying to say she is ‘exasperated’. 😉
      
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      February 25, 2021 11:51am
  - Harriet
    
    As someone here yesterday said:
    
    ” NZ Labour always thinks it is elected to govern Australia.” 😎
    
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    February 25, 2021 10:23am
  - oldfella
    
    redeye, everyone knows it’s actually pronounced ‘eggsazebaded’ – look it up in the new Ayoteearowan ‘How To Speak Like Glorious Leader’ little red handbook.
    
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    February 25, 2021 10:23am
    - David George
      
      Some great examples of Jacindish.
      A couple of weeks ago she came up with “Jepradise”
      
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      February 25, 2021 11:54am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No, “jepradise” has been in her vocabulary all along; like “poverdy”, “absoludely” and “bin”.
        
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        February 25, 2021 11:56am
      - pdm
        
        Inv – Covid must really brass her off because she cannot say she has bin anywhere.
        
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        February 25, 2021 12:32pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Tony Stuart @ 11:56AM
        
        Yes, you are correct, Tony.
        
        I simply don’t understand why someone close to the prime minister — someone she trusts — perhaps her partner, or her “Chief of Staff”, or her “Senior Political Advisor”, doesn’t just say to her, when he or she is alone with her, “Um, prime minister, it’s actually ‘jeopardise’”.
        
        Over the last three years, snippets of the prime minister’s comments will have appeared on News broadcasts in countries like Australia and the UK. What must people in those, and no doubt other, countries think when they hear her say “jepradise”? It’s embarrassing.
        
        As for “poverdy”, “absoludely” and “bin”, I suspect there’s no solution. This is not an “accent” thing, like Southlanders rolling their end-of-word ‘r’s.
        
        Unlike the later-career/-life Winston Peters, the prime minister has clearly chosen to continue to slur certain words, by pronouncing ‘t’s as ‘d’s. Again, I don’t understand why someone has not taken her aside and explained to her that she loses support — that is yet to be expressed, to her detriment — every time she expresses herself in such a casual, and yes, even common, manner.
        
        It’s all very annoying, and so unnecessary!
        
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        February 25, 2021 2:11pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Long may she continue.
        
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        February 25, 2021 2:25pm
      - tui47
        
        The absolute worst one is “Idaly”. I’m surprised no one has ever pulled her up on that one.
        
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        February 25, 2021 8:51pm
- peterwn
  
  Jacinda no doubt finds it resonates well when preaching kindness. There has always been some Aussie bashing, so she may as well exploit the situation.Probably worth 2 – 3% of votes.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:38am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    While killing the goodwill with our ANZAC buddies.
    
    We need Australia more than they need us . . .
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:54am
- Maxx
  
  Ardern will be along to refute those blatant lies any moment now as she does everytime someone tries to use facts.
  
  She clearly learned a lot from Winston…
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:30am
- Ruahine
  
  Absolutely!!
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:32am
  - oldfella
    
    No, Ruahine, the word is ‘absoludely’.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:59pm
- Homas
  
  It’s a shame that failure to denounce gangs as the criminal scum they are doesn’t seem to get a look-in as a contributing factor.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:16am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The baleful influence of ex Aus deportees on NZ gang membership is unlikely to be strictly linear.
  
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  February 25, 2021 12:29pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The gangs I see increasingly in my city and around NZ are the home-grown ones. Mongrel Mob is pretty visible in the Waikato and Bay of Plenty.
  Yet to see a Comanchero.
  The gangs are almost exclusively Polynesian from my casual observation too.
  So yeah, overall I can believe it is BS.
  Growth within the existing neighbourhoods is what is happening.
  
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  February 25, 2021 12:59pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s excusable Tony, she’s just a rookie Minister, much like Damien O’Connor.
  
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  February 25, 2021 4:46pm
Happychappy

After nearly four years in power the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern still plays the blame game for everything that goes wrong particularly when she has her back against the wall she reverts to it’s the previous Governments fault , by underfunding and neglect with Ministry’s like Health ,Housing ,Law and Order and Immigration and all having the problems now still nearly four years later.
Now the latest touch is about gangs and again it has been blamed on the previous Government by Jacinda Ardern and the Labour Party by saying its gang members deported from Australia that are responsible.
Now new figures out have have shown gangs membership has in creased by 46%, 5300 members in 2017 to 7800 2021up by 2500 and those deported just minor % . So it will be interesting to hear the Prime Ministers response as her lies and deceit will be hard to justify over the latest figures.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/australian-deportees-make-up-minuscule-amount-of-new-zealand-s-gang-explosion.html
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February 25, 2021 8:06am
- Gravelroad
  
  The only thing that will put the brakes on the Prime Minister’s roller-coaster of kindness is if the Covid19 mass vaccination programme takes the virus fear right out of the game.
  Many people don’t care about gangs, housing, poverdy, money printing, education, race issues, wokedom etc so long as Ms Ardern continues to save them from Cooooviiiid.
  This virus has been absolute gold for the government because nothing else matters.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:14am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Covid won’t end unless we end it through mass disobedience. Auckland has gone back to level 1 for one reason: that the people themselves decided to act normally. Ardern had zero choice, because, if she hadn’t done so, her authority, legitimacy and credibility would be gone. Now it looks like she gave the OK and made it happen. This is false. I am heartened that people have stopped listening to every syllable she utters, and the government’s hold is weakening.
    
    People need to understand that our lives as we once knew them are over, unless we act accordingly as free agents. If not, we are looking at vaccinations until the end of time. This is meant to be the new, never ending War on Terror.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:55am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I so wish you were right but I’m not certain it’s the case. I’ve detected a lot of murmurings and outright opinions being voiced by Aucklanders that they should go back to Level 2 or even 3 after the latest Papatoetoe cases.
      
      When you’ve got the populace asking to be locked up again for their own safety, you’ve pretty much won the contest.
      
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      February 25, 2021 4:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Speaker is getting very tetchy:

SPEAKER: Order! [Interruption] Order! No, no. The Minister’s not going to answer it. The member didn’t sit down when I called him to order. The question’s finished. The member may have a further supplementary if he wants one.

Hon Paul Goldsmith: Mr Speaker, I was looking the other way. How can I have seen?

SPEAKER: Well, I don’t think anyone for a long time has accused me of having a quiet voice. As I stood up, the member looked away. I considered that deliberate, and if he didn’t hear me that’s his problem. Further supplementary, Paul Goldsmith.

Hon Paul Goldsmith: Well, point of order, Mr Speaker. I’d like to know how I’m supposed to judge whether you’ve stood up when I’m looking the other way.

SPEAKER: By using your ears. Question No. 4—

Hon Paul Goldsmith: Point of order.

SPEAKER: No. Question No. 4, Ginny Andersen.

Q3: Education
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20210223_20210224_36
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February 25, 2021 8:08am
- G152
  
  When the insane are running the asylum.
  How many more strikes Mallard has to make before he is ‘dechaired” ?????
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Mallard will remain as Speaker until it becomes untenable for Ardern to keep him there. But have you ever tried to separate a dog and a tasty, meaty bone? That’s the challenge Ardern has, as she cannot demand he stands down. He was appointed by the Parliament, not by her.
    
    The only way she can actually get rid of Mallard if he refuses to leave of his own accord is to allow National to proceed with the No Confidence motion, then require her caucus to either support it or abstain.
    
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    February 25, 2021 8:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What makes you think the PM wants to change Speakers?
      
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      February 25, 2021 9:20am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Why would she?
        It’s a sweet, mutually advantageous deal.
        I don’t much care about Mallard’s performance as speaker in the house. He’s there in a security and protection role for Ms Ardern and her colleagues – end of story – or that part of the story.
        However, the way Mallard has been shielded and not called to account over the way he destroyed the alleged rapist leaves a stain on the Labour leadership and undermines both Mallard’s and Ms Ardern’s credibility and character.
        There should be consequences.
        But, clinging on to the power and status at any cost overrides decent behaviour apparently.
        
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        February 25, 2021 11:05am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Clearly, at the moment, she doesn’t. But one day she’ll wake up and think
        
        “You know, having a bloke a Speaker who wrongly called someone a rapist isn’t a good look. And he knew within 24 hours he was wrong, but took a year to apologise, and cost my government shitloads of money. Maybe National has a point…”
        
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        February 25, 2021 12:01pm
      - MCos
        
        I would suggest the continuing scrap between the Speaker and National suits Labour just fine, for now.
        Yesterday it was a handy distraction from the housing questioning that wasn’t looking too good for Megan Woods.
        
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        February 25, 2021 1:08pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      Thanks to Winstone in 2017 and fearful uniformed voters in 2020, we are stuck with Mallard for the foreseeable future.
      
      With such a large majority Labour can and will continue to give us the middle finger.
      
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      February 25, 2021 2:14pm
- Wired-one
  
  Mallard is a disgrace.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:43am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Chris Bishop again tried to have National’s No Confidence motion debated yesterday, but was again shut down by Labour MP’s. National will keep on with this, because it keeps Mallard’s appalling behaviour in the media, and even if there is never a vote of no confidence, Mallard’s tenure as Speaker is tainted.
  
  The Speaker was dreadful again yesterday, and Goldsmith, possibly the most mild-mannered man in Parliament, and Bridges, were dead right to walk out.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:49am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes I too hope they keep raising the no confidence motion. As you say it keeps it in the news.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:31am
  - Maxx
    
    Mallard has surely got to be thinking about when the best time is to step down and retire. Surely he can’t think that when Labour gets kicked out he’ll still get a knighthood?
    
    Sure it’s the thing that is done, but so is being an (mostly) impartial Speaker and it’s plain for everyone to see he doesn’t believe in that.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mallard took to Goldsmith because Chris Hipkins was floundering… having to admit that he doesn’t know what limits of absence will be tolerated for school truancies.
    
    Are children expected attend school 100% of the time, or is it ok if they only turn up every now and again?
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:45am
- Bobba Fret
  
  It is scary how Mallard once in, believes he is untouchable and can do whatever the hell he likes with no consequences. He knows he’s in the wrong, knows he’s a useless speaker, knows he’s biased but simply doesn’t care and like the school yard bully says “whatcha going do about it………nothing!”
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:29am
Yvette

The Government has been considerably on the back foot over housing, in particular this week, after it was revealed its home ownership scheme announced in 2019 has housed just 12 families as of January.
It’s a $400 million scheme and Housing Minister Megan Woods has been flailing around trying to defend it – not helped by a fancy social media video where she claimed to be proud of how it was transforming lives. – newsroom

Didn’t Phil Twyford actually achieve a greater number of houses with Kiwibuild, but for his failure was stood down and replaced by Megan Woods, who has seemingly delivered 3% (about one 33rd) of houses delivered by Twyford.

Is Jacinda Ardern struggling that much with spinning child poverty into anything at all positive, to see that her housing policies are not headed in the right direction?

The number of KiwiBuild homes built to date stood at 393 at the end of March, equating to roughly 19 homes built each month since the scheme began in June 2018.

At that rate it would take 436 years to complete the 99,607 houses that remain from the 100,000 target.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300021781/kiwibuild-will-take-more-than-400-years-to-reach-original-target
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February 25, 2021 8:10am
- Bobba Fret
  
  National and the media (yeah right!) should be all over this disgrace!
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:33am
- Maxx
  
  What are you talking about? I heard Ardern lifted 4 children out of poverty just this week and plopped them straight back down where she found them once the journos had left and the cameras were off.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:36am
- sooty
  
  Bring back Phill Twyford!!!
  Who would have thought!
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:07am
lazza

Latest household affordability survey results (today 25/02/2020 … Demographia Sept quarter 2020) … their Income to median House price ratio, ranks Melbourne at 9.7, Toronto at 9.9 and Auckland at 10.0.

This places these three cities as those with “the” most unaffordable housing at respectively 87th, 88th and 89th out of a scale of 92 cities in the survey.

Larry Mitchell

Finance & Policy Analyst (Local Government)
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February 25, 2021 8:14am
- Simon
  
  Auckland at 10? Lol – its higher than that for an actual “house” given all the blocks of shitty $700k tiny apartments that are built.
  
  Labour / National neolib garbage.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:04am
- Maxx
  
  When they talked about being the most transformational Government ever, I really didn’t expect this.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:37am
lazza

Apropos FA.

Best KB (IMHO) … pithy comment … in a long time:

Word Association “2” :

Mahuta-Minister of Foreign Affairs-cognitive dissonance.

“Geez Wayne”.

Who voted for this shower?
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February 25, 2021 8:19am
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying ZB talkback host Tim Beverage ripped Ricardo a new one last night 😀
Accused him of having zero integrity or credibility, branded him a fraud and a liar who was prepared to lie on official documents. Suggested he needs to be turfed out of parliament immediately.

Would be hard to disagree with any of that.

https://twitter.com/StraightArrowNZ/status/1364437611666755585
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February 25, 2021 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  For an MP that has made such a big splash and who is a darling of the Media Pardy , there’s an awful lot we don’t actually know about him and in fact that we’re actively not being told .
  
  If he were from old settler stock from the Old Country , Presbyterian ,farming ,whatever our media Pack would be all over him with snide ,sneering, not so subtle innuendo but as he’s “other” , well not so much……
  
  …..and that way he gets to stay in parliament ,while others would have been gonski .
  
  Media cowards , agents of change , but certainly not holding power to account.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:28am
  - pdm
    
    As far as the media are concerned he has several attractive attributes:
    
    Gay
    Spainish double barrelled name
    Immigrant
    Partner (is/was) living outside New Zealand
    
    Being a few – imagine how popular he would be if he had a wooden leg as well.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:00am
  - Ruawai
    
    Just being gay and Mexican shouldn’t get you a get out of jail free card.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And nothing in his background to indicate that he is a poor Mexican mestizo immigrant….. though that is the image he has tried to portray.
    
    I must admit I find it amusing that folks in the Greens are so desperate to talk up their underprivileged backgrounds that they resort to fanciful tales.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:55am
    - oldfella
      
      Maggy, has anyone in the media even fronted James Shaw or Marama for a comment? National and ACT should be smashing the Greens, and their Labour buddies with this scandal.
      
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      February 25, 2021 10:40am
  - oldfella
    
    kowtow, noticed neither of the 6pm tv news bulletins last night mentioned this new development in the Ricardo scandal. And it is a scandal.
    Agree that if this had been a National or ACT politician… yep, all we know how that works.
    
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    February 25, 2021 10:37am
  - Scooter
    
    I don’t know how employment matters work in NZ Parliament (unlike in the real world) but I would have thought his bosses would want to know the date he would return to NZ from his holiday. Seems very relaxed workplace where you can have over a months holiday after just started working and not even know when he would be back.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:33pm
- Flossie
  
  This fellow epitomises everything that is wrong with MMP. How do we get rid of totally unsuitable people without removing the entire party? Although getting rid of the entire Green party would be okay with me even though they do have some relevance (not much though).
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:36am
  - Ruawai
    
    Who is next on the list if he goes?
    
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    February 25, 2021 11:10am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Steve Abel (New Lynn)
      
      https://www.greens.org.nz/green_party_unveils_its_candidate_list_for_the_2020_election
      
      Thankfully the Greens need to lose almost their entire caucus before Luke Wijohn gets a call-up!
      
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      February 25, 2021 12:04pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    Agreed. The party vote has overwhelmed the electorate vote.
    
    The former, we have no say in who makes the list.
    
    The latter has been severely diminished.
    
    Thank you Jim Bolger. What a wanker.
    
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    February 25, 2021 2:19pm
- SB2
  
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  From this report there is no evidence that Ricardo Menendez did anything wrong or abused the system,
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/437095/green-mp-ricardo-menendez-march-applied-for-emergency-miq-spot-twice
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:00am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I guess we shouldn’t be surprised you’re defending him Stephie. But he DID do something wrong; he high-tailed it to Mexico in mid-December without having booked a place in MIQ for his return trip.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:06pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You missed that this is just part of a usual cycle of summer visits to Mexico, that there is a pandemic going on and travel is not advised. that there are limited spots in MIQ for people who have still not been able to return since 2019, that he applied for an emergency spot of the grounds that his & boyfriends return was grounds of ‘national security’.
    If you are a Green party supporter, then it might be noted that he is not in parliament doing his job when he should.
    There is also a climate emergency going on, in addition to the pandemic.
    Air travel is bad, M’kay?
    
    You missed all that?
    Sloooow clap for you.
    Clap. Clap. Clap.
    
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    February 25, 2021 1:25pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    Stupid Boy squared is prone to defending the indefensible.
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hope you caught that SB2?
    
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    February 25, 2021 4:22pm
- Master Mariner
  
  I’d like to read his written reply when filling out both exemptions as too why he qualifies.
  I’m sure be interesting reading on his application form/s.
  Can anyone request this?
  
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  February 25, 2021 12:02pm
I remember when

Glacier businesses seek $35 million in aid to stay afloat. RNZ
Businesses near Franz Josef and Fox glaziers have issued plea for government support.
Recent survey of 103 business found 16 closed, nearly 62% of jobs lost and most operating on 20% of normal capacity. A quarter of the population has left.
No wonder Stuart Nash’s hair is going grey.
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February 25, 2021 8:22am
- Nickc2
  
  It doesn’t make sense to me to throw $35m at an industry (tourism) to keep it afloat when there is no tourism for the foreseeable future and may never be. Surely, those affected should look at an alternate industry. I realize it’s a brutal way of looking at things but that’s what happens in the real world. As an analogy, if Henry Ford kept throwing money at his Model A production line when there was no demand for them, he would not be remembered for the success he was.
  DIVERSIFY.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:24am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Fully agree,
    The world has changed and kicking the can down the road does’nt help.
    Face the facts.
    The world will not be the same with everyone securing/protecting there own assets, read Strategic assets. Meanwhile we aim for Utopia and green deals.
    We really need to start by gutting education sector and having a new education mandate.
    Appalled at billions down the gurglur and nothing to show for it.
    Time to face the brave new world.
    What natural resources we had we are closing down, Oil and Gas as one example.
    Supply chains are smashed and getting worse each and every day.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:16pm
  - doublehappy
    
    Well said Nickc2, no business should be run by charity money, especially when not given, but forcibly taken from the taxpayers. Local tourists will not even start to fill the gap left by Covid. Temporary relief yes, but long term it is not sensible.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:29pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  All those people smack of self employed, people with some idea, drive, an awareness of self responsibility. Not really Nash’s voting demographic I would say.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:01am
- RightFirstTime
  
  Nashy (as Mark Mitchell likes to call him on the weekly segment with Hosking) must have been dying his hair for the past few years. I doubt he could have gone that grey over the Christmas break. I didn’t recognise him at first when I saw him in the House. At least he is now being upfront and honest which is not an attribute easily found in the other members of the Labour government.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:20pm
  - Clyde
    
    He looks old and haggard. And useless.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:06pm
- DeepBlue
  
  $20m is for a cycleway south of Okarito. With the way Ngai Tahu rununga are flexing their muscles it will be an age before that one has approval and consent. A very slow way to get $20m to where it is needed.
  
  With Nash’s anti tourism focus I can see Glacier Country being cut off and a dead end road once the road disappears into the sea in the next large storm. It will become the premium exclusive wilderness destination as people fly in on their electric planes. No more mass drive by commoners.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:25pm
- Ehlana
  
  With all sympathy for those businesses, even when tourism does return, will they actually be sustainable? After all, the glaciers are supposed to be melting away.
  Might be a good time to support broadening the local economies or encouraging relocation?
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:39pm
pdm

Mallard – a despicable man who should be removed not only as Speaker but from Parliament as well.

He is dragging the institution into disrepute.
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February 25, 2021 8:23am
- igm
  
  Mallard, the epitome of a lifetime trougher. Another who has never earned a dollar, living a life of Riley at the expense of taxpayers . . . just a loser.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:54am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    America’s Cup at Barcelona anyone?
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:07pm
    - sooty
      
      If it’s free, he’s there or he’s selling it on trade me!
      
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      February 25, 2021 1:02pm
  - Paulus
    
    igm
    How dare you – Mallard was Teacher at Onslow College in Wellington.
    
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    February 25, 2021 1:27pm
- Swifty
  
  The pressure is getting to him, and the real Mallard is coming out.
  
  Once a bully, always a bully.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:18am
- KiWombat
  
  Parliament’s resident thug !
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:01am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Not too many of our politicians over their career get in to actual fist fights with other party members, but I believe Mallard is one of the few to be in this exclusive club.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:03pm
- Paulus
  
  pdm
  He and Ardern do not care – 52% of the voters gave them Carte Blanche to do whatever she wants and the rubber duck will agree.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:26pm
Luke Piewalker

Funny how there was no covid when the politicians were away on summer holiday.

Now Cindy is back its wall to wall covid panic again.
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February 25, 2021 8:23am
Paulus

Coster is Non Woke – Stuff says so !
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February 25, 2021 8:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And Trevor is Not a Twat – unsourced.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:00am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    More my sort of language Maggy. You never cease to surprise me, please keep it up!
    
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    February 25, 2021 10:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That is not the language I would use …
      I’m plagiarising ..
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/437078/simon-bridges-storms-out-of-parliament-in-spat-with-speaker-trevor-mallard
      
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      February 25, 2021 10:53am
- MCos
  
  Stuff didn’t say that. It was in an opinion piece by Jarrod Gilbert.
  He opines
  “Because here’s the rub; Andy Coster isn’t “woke”. He’s proven himself to this point to be intelligent and principled. Two qualities Simon Bridges is doing his best to expunge himself of.”
  Earlier in the article he explains what “woke” has come to mean
  “Bridges called Coster the ”wokester” commissioner. The politician then refused to answer journalists’ questions about examples of the supposed wokeness of New Zealand’s top cop, allowing instead for the puerile and derogatory phrase to be red meat for all of those who associate wokeness with everything wrong in the world.
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  For those people it will mean things like pandering to fringe groups and abandoning “common sense” in favour of empty “virtue signalling”. In this instance, it says more about Bridges than it does Coster.”
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:42pm
  - kowtow
    
    He went to a BLM bash at some church in Wellington .
    
    He’s woke .
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:16pm
    - MCos
      
      There’s ‘woke’ and there’s ‘woke’, just the same as there’s ‘bash’ and there’s ‘ bash’.
      
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      February 25, 2021 9:11pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Gilbert another crim-hugger, loves gangs, thinks he’s a hard nut but he’s really just a bald ginga wannabe gangsta.
    
    This is what he writes about himself on his modestly eponymous website:
    
    “Jarrod Gilbert is a sociologist and the author of Patched. He is currently writing a book on murder and he writes a bloody great blog.”
    
    Wanker
    
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    February 25, 2021 5:30pm
lazza

It would not surprise moi …with Trev (“The Duck”) daily in the house … “behaving badly” … if the House business was to descend into farce/anarchy?

ACT plus the Nats might well consider a boycott-Chamber non attendance-AWOL the House Business Committee-withholding assents etc as a valid principled tactic given TM’s refusal to resign from the Speaker role.
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February 25, 2021 8:27am
- curry4me
  
  lazza: If they all refuse to attend; would the house lack a quorum?
  
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  February 25, 2021 2:09pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Do people seriously believe that the flu has just miraculously “disappeared”? Not that it has just been re-labelled Covid?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html
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February 25, 2021 8:28am
- I remember when
  
  How many times, times, times do we have to tell people that covid-19 is NOT the flu!
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:42am
  - MCos
    
    Save your breathe. They already know.
    
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    February 25, 2021 1:47pm
- SB2
  
  kiwi in Paris, no. More a function of Covid 19 preventaivr measures where lockdowns, mask-wearing and social distancing has considerbly minimised the kind of social contacts that would otherwise spread seasonal flu.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:29am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Lockdowns, masks do nothing to alleviate the SARS Cov-2 virus.
    Social distancing is a sensible approach.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:14pm
  - I remember when
    
    So why hasn’t it stamped out covid???
    
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    February 25, 2021 2:26pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Seriously!
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:55am
- Ehlana
  
  They are different viruses. A bit like different species of animals, I guess. The main differences are that coronavirus is more infectious than flu virus and more likely to lead to serious complications and death. Not a good combination.
  
  BTW, a virus is, apparently, “a microscopic parasite that lack the capacity to thrive and reproduce outside of a host body.” (Thanks https://www.livescience.com/53272-what-is-a-virus.html). Something about the idea of a parasite inside me is not very comforting…
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:57pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yeah – just like gastric and intestinal bacteria (aid our digestion) and other nasties like tapeworms.
    Some parasitic organisms are good (symbiosis), some are bad.
    
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    February 25, 2021 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

And I see on 3Breakfast, even the manager of the Reserve Bank, Adrian Orr, is now referring to us as…. “Aotearoa New Zealand”

So how long until you know what?
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February 25, 2021 8:29am
- pdm
  
  Adrian Orr will do anything for a bit of publicity and to be on Television.
  
  Worst Reserve Bank Governor I can remember.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Within this term of government, I expect.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  ‘Aotearoa’ has been on our banknotes and passports for some years.
  I would suggested that the form ‘Aotearoa New Zealand’ will be common usage in a few years, but that the ‘New Zealand’ part will eventually drop away.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:40am
  - fernglas
    
    Shouldn’t we at least be asked if we want the name of our country changed, or is it sufficient for a bunch of hack journalists and activists to make the decision for us? Isn’t that what democracy is about, or are our leaders so concerned that we might not do what they want that they are prepared to countenance stealth?
    
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    February 25, 2021 8:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think the days of democracy which catered for the opinions of plebs has disappeared.
      
      It is stake-holder democracy now..and the plebs haven’t been invited to the table.
      
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      February 25, 2021 11:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Milky gazes into the future.
    
    Perhaps if the country’s name were changed in the long term, it would more likely to be to 新西兰
    
    That’s the simplified Chinese version of the Chinese adaptation of the name “New Zealand”.
    
    Translated to English by Google Translate it’s “Xīnxīlán”, and you can hear what that sounds like here (press the little speaker icon):
    
    https://translate.google.com/?sl=en&tl=zh-CN&text=New%20Zealand&op=translate
    
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    February 25, 2021 1:28pm
  - Southtop2
    
    So the original name for the North Island is all over some government documents.
    Time for the South Island to split, cozy up to Australia, mine and drill for some oil and let Aotearoa drift away.
    We could call it SEXIT!
    
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    February 25, 2021 1:47pm
- tf78
  
  Maggie, I did admire the way Winston Peters would never play the game and always said “Good morning” not keeeooooora or moreeeennna.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, next ‘Peeke Rahui Aotearoa’?
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:45am
- Paulus
  
  Well it is alright as I believe Orr is part Maori so it is allright.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:29pm
- MCos
  
  That’s how it’s written on the banknotes issued by the Reserve Bank signed by him or a predecessor.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:17pm
lazza

Save yuzz all the trubble …

retromingency
Pronunciation /ˌrɛtrə(ʊ)ˈmɪn(d)ʒ(ə)nsi/
NOUN
rare
Retromingent urination.

Origin
Mid 17th century; earliest use found in Thomas Browne (1605–1682), physician and author. From retro- + post-classical Latin mingere minge + -ency.

I would add “obscure” & “not in common use” … & a word no one uses/understands… & used only to show off?

Nahh … life’s too short for this sort of stuff … IM H (humble of course) … O
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February 25, 2021 8:34am
- Maggie Pie
  
  OK thnx for clarifying. My partner thought it was a reference to old porn movies.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:00am
  - sooty
    
    Would those be the ones that the Mexican jumping bean have been showing in his life as a projectionist and tissue gatherer?
    
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    February 25, 2021 10:16am
dave_c_

And no surpsies here – In the UK , as in NZ, the continued dumming down of the population:

Gavin Williamson promises pupils will get ‘granular detail’ of exam substitute plans as he prepares to unveil new system tomorrow.

The Education Secretary said he will reveal how ‘teacher judgement’ will be used to replace cancelled GCSE, A-level and AS exams
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February 25, 2021 8:35am
kowtow

The Ferald cartoonist , holding Collins to account ,again . Would be interesting if some wonk did a count up , I suspect a very strong bias against Collins and therefor in favour of those in power. The exact opposite of what they claim is the basis for their special place in a free society.

The other noteworthy Ferald item of the day is the “comment” from one Peter Davis of the Helen Clark Foundation. Pushing the World Economic Foundation barrow.

“We have the potential to transform” , I suspect he deliberately avoided calling it what the WEF calls it ;

The Great Reset.

There is a conspiracy ,and it’s coming from the unelected Global Elites.
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February 25, 2021 8:39am
- Swifty
  
  Transform what? Transform to where? Transform why?
  
  What are the specifics? Where are the numbers? Where is the evidence that this ‘transformation’ will lead us to a better place than where we’re at now?
  
  It’s all meaningless piffle at best, until these people are required to demonstrate the detail.
  
  At worst, it’s a great softening up for just more of the same – bigger and bigger government, more and more state spending, more and more control and regulations, more and more state bodies to administer and enforce those new controls and rules, less and less freedom and, of course, stated ‘transformation’ outcomes never ever achieved.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:17am
  - Don Beckett
    
    In short, an imposition of Marxism. Peter Davis is a raging Fabian Marxist, along with his ‘wife’ Helen Clark.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:18pm
    - Jack5
      
      I had to delve into what Fabians are. Apparently not Marxists, but parallel to Marxism.
      
      https://www.politicalsciencenotes.com/socialism/fabian-socialism/comparison-between-fabian-socialism-and-marxian-socialism/1183
      
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      February 25, 2021 1:42pm
- sooty
  
  That wouldn’t be the same Peter Davis that our airforce had to do a dash to rescue from LA, would it? Wonder if Helen Clark put that on her pecuniary interest statement or paid the money back?
  The husband of Helen Clark, I think that we can file that under paid politcal broadcasts!
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:23am
- SB2
  
  The Great Reset.
  
  There is a conspiracy, and it’s coming from the unelected Global Elites.
  
  Utter nonsense!
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Of course there’s no conspiracy..
    there’s nothing secret about “The Great Reset”
    
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/
    
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    February 25, 2021 1:46pm
    - tf78
      
      Megan Woods used after Kiwibuild’s lack of success.
      
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      February 25, 2021 3:51pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    SB2.
    I guess your pseudonym stands for “Selectively Braindead /squared ”
    You are gaslighting yourself – no-one else.
    
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    February 25, 2021 2:17pm
    - Swifty
      
      He denied Covid too for quite a while – said it was all hysteria and that it would never make it here, we’ve got nothing to worry about.
      
      And then Cindy changed her tune so therefore so did he.
      
      Now he lambasts Covid-deniers!
      
      He has no credibility here whatsoever.
      
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      February 25, 2021 2:52pm
mikenmildagain

As in most things, it is the salary and wage earners in the middle who carry much of the burden for everyone else.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300238241/more-than-40-of-millionaires-paying-tax-rates-lower-than-the-lowest-earners-government-data-reveals
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February 25, 2021 8:44am
- Simon
  
  Comrade you voted for this time and time again. Neolib clownshow each time. Suck it up.
  
  Trump was the only one who did something about middle class and earned income tax and they faked a election to get rid of him.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:53am
- Cinematic
  
  If you can read and understand the article it makes perfect sense. Dimwits may consider it a commentary on the fairness of NZ’s tax system but it’s not.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:14am
- Libertarians are right
  
  As in most things, this “journalist” and Treasury are being dishonest.
  A few things to note:
  
  It’s making up income (the capital gains are based on assumptions) and taxing them at the top tax rates but ignoring the fact the over 50% of the population get more back from the IRD than they pay in tax (including many in “the middle”.
  
  It’s deliberately ignoring deductible tax losses which is disgustingly dishonest.
  Say someone lost $100k then made $200k and paid $23,920 tax (23.92%) but the idiots at Treasury have said that they should ignore the loss so the tax was only at 11.96%.
  Ordinary tax payers also pay their tax consistently, spread evenly over the years.
  If my tax payer had his $100k split evenly over the two years it would be $50k per year and $7,990 tax at 15.98% (so they have effectively paid $7,940 more tax than what’s fair).
  
  Next is the nature of the “Capital Gains”:
  For the most part, this is the unrealised current value of future income which will be taxed when it’s actually made. So there’s is some seriously BS theoretical double taxation going on there.
  
  Finally, the most egregious lie:
  Imputation Credits are simply the transfer of TAX PAID by a company to an individual. By ignoring this, they are effectively claiming that that tax should be paid twice. Say someone took dividends of $1m. The tax on that is $330k. $50k is from DWT paid directly to the IRD and the other 280k is from imputation credits from tax already paid by the company. The effective tax rate on this dividend is 33% but the dishonest treasury report is treating it as 5%.
  
  Nice try Mike, but your argument is based on a number of massive lies.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:41am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Dividend imputation. We lead the world again.
    
    Us + Oz + Malta do it. 🙂
    
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    February 25, 2021 10:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Dividend imputation credits introduced by Australian Labour Government in 1987 and by an NZ Labour Government in 1989.
      
      The Seventh Day Adventists (for their food manufacturing) and big Maori tribes like Ngai Tahu registered their businesses as charities, could have passed on profit to members this way if their “charities” were liable to pay company tax.
      
      On that, it would be good to hear from anyone who has the group financial accounts of the 46 or so entities that make up the Ngai Tahu group of registered charities.
      
      The apparent ultimate overall owner of group, the Ngai Tahu Charitable Trust, does not seem to have company financial reports listed at the Companies Register, nor at the Charities Registry.
      
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      February 25, 2021 2:20pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Libertarians are right;
    Your post is deserving of more than merely an uptick. Wouldn’t be neat if financial journalists had your basic knowledge.
    
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    February 25, 2021 11:46am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Once you’ve actually valued companies/shares for sale you realise just how stupid the whole capital gains tax argument is.
      
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      February 25, 2021 1:32pm
  - David George
    
    I suspect Mike believes that Stuff is “a trusted news source” rather than the bullshit factory it really is.
    A childlike naivety that you would expect from a six year old.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:06pm
- rockape
  
  Most of the poor don’t pay tax most is returned in benefits . How much tax does someone on 60k with two kids pay after the government pays back in benefit? Answer two fifths of fuck all.
  
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  February 25, 2021 4:32pm
  - MCos
    
    For a start someone on $60,000 probably spends 15% of all their money left over after rent (hard to imagine they own a house) on gst.
    
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    February 25, 2021 9:42pm
Simon

The hate directed to the National Party on twitter is fascinating. The hate is usually directed by Ardern boot lickers. As Labour and National are virtually the same party the pathology of the haters is concerning. What crimes could these people commit if so instructed and given the means?
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February 25, 2021 8:46am
Philview

I see our corrupt Government voted through the final reading of the Maori wards bill yesterday. Everything about the deceitful way they have handled this process is disturbing. What else are they planning that they didn’t campaign on?
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February 25, 2021 8:47am
lazza

Just love that Aotearoa-NZ … and! Te Wai Pounamu-and! Te ika a Maui and! Aoraki Mt Cook and! Mt Taranaki-(Egmont-who what?) … more

Beautiful words and historical associations.

“North/South” Islands DOHH nahh.

Less fussed though about mouthfuls like Auckland – Maungasomething .

And pray tell me … what’s the harm?

How racist??? is it to resist this emerging unstoppable? trend .

Just intolerant obnoxious red neckism perhaps … a teeny bit?

What does it say about the resister?
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February 25, 2021 8:47am
- Jack5
  
  Resister? That’s a pretty Woke description, Lazza. So’s the Woke allegation that to prefer customary English names is racist. In that case preference for Maori names is also racist: it’s similarly race based.
  
  Not sure of the historical association of “Aoraki” though. Maori weren’t into mountaineering or ski-ing.
  
  There’s room for both types of names given that our country has two main languages: the world lingua franca, English; and the regional indigenous language, Maori.
  
  In English: the prosaic though usefully brief “the North Island” and “the South Island”, and in Maori Te Wai Pounamu.
  
  In English, Mount Cook, in Maori Aoraki (here, the historical associations apply to both languages).
  
  When speaking, writing, in English, use the English language names. When speaking, writing, in Maori, use the Maori names.
  
  It’s as simple as that. Like Morse and semaphore. Parallel languages.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:16pm
- tf78
  
  1azza – the good thing is I have no idea what you nor they are talking about – nor do I care.
  
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  February 25, 2021 3:56pm
fernglas

So some numptie who was told to self-isolate went to work instead, and as a result 1000 more people are going to have to self-isolate. That’s 10,000 work or school days down the toilet, and we are told to be kind? What about making an example of her instead?
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February 25, 2021 8:48am
- DeepBlue
  
  Her = they.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:30pm
KevO'Brien

Vaccine anyone? Once vaccines were micro doses of the virus which encouraged our immune systems to fortify themselves to attack the real thing. They have done a power of good, taking years of testing and proof of safety and efficacy.

By those considerations Pfizer and Moderna are not vaccines but human genome modifiers. We don’t allow genome modification in food as readily. Why should we be guinea pigs? How can anyone give informed consent to these jabs? The WHO and other have only approved the jabs for emergency use as they are plainly not tested to regular standards. So individual consent is needed for each jab. Offering an arm is sufficient for implied consent but an inadequate reply from the person administering the jab cannot provide the basis to make an informed consent.

The Govt seems to sneakily breaching it’s own health rules. What’s our redress? The USA arranged with the jab producers to free them from all liability. That cannot apply in New Zealand unless some hidden treaty has been effected. Are we being denied redress for lack of care or duty, infringement of rights or even deceit?

Too many serious reports have surfaced about the outcome of the COVID jabs to accept the PM’s smile as sufficient to give them go ahead. Even David Attenborough has been caught destroying truth.

Some observations from an excellent risk assessor, F. William Engdahl:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-not-said-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine/5729461
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February 25, 2021 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  If you have to have one ,this is it.
  
  “Saint-Herblain (France), January 28, 2021 – Valneva SE, a specialty vaccine company focused on prevention of infectious diseases with significant unmet medical need, today announced it has commenced production of its inactivated, adjuvanted COVID-19 vaccine candidate in parallel to the ongoing clinical studies, in order to optimize the timeline for potential deliveries of the vaccine. The Phase 1/2 clinical study is now fully enrolled and is expected to report initial results in April 2021.
  
  VLA2001 is currently the only inactivated vaccine candidate in clinical trials against COVID-19 in Europe. A total of 150 healthy adults aged 18 to 55 years have been recruited for the Phase 1/2 study which commenced mid December 2020[1].”
  
  https://valneva.com/press-release/valneva-commences-manufacturing-of-its-inactivated-adjuvanted-covid-19-vaccine-completes-phase-1-2-study-recruitment/
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:57am
- kevn
  
  India has banned the Pfizer vaccine.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:56am
  - Ruawai
    
    Wonder why Jacinda is avoiding getting a jab when she normally likes to be front and centre on stage for theatrics.
    
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    February 25, 2021 11:15am
  - Jack5
    
    You need to be careful in taking take India’s stance on any vaccine as a guide. Vaccination has met resistance in India since the procedure’s beginning.
    
    Here’s an Indian report of Ghandi’s stance on innoculation:
    
    In 1913, when he was still in South Africa, Gandhi expressed his strong opposition to vaccination, calling it “sacrilege”: “Vaccination seems to be a savage custom. It is one of the poisonous superstitions of our times the equal of which is not to be found even among so called primitive societies… Vaccination is a filthy remedy. Vaccine from an infected cow is introduced into our bodies; more, even vaccine from an infected human being is used… I personally feel that in taking this vaccine we are guilty of a sacrilege.”
    
    https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/covid-vaccine-opposition-history-india-7201266/
    
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    February 25, 2021 2:54pm
- cmm
  
  Human genome modifiers? Are you sure about that?
  
  All vaccines operate by triggering the immune system to generate antibodies to engage with the pathogen. Yes, that does “modify” the immune system, but that’s not modifying the genome.
  
  Our genome is DNA-based. There would be very little point in trying to use DNA to take on the SARS-COV-2 virus because is is RNA-based.
  
  So how exactly a vaccine for an RNA based virus is going to modify a DNA-based genome is beyond me.
  
  I will however concede that this is not my area of expertise.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:04am
  - rangitoto
    
    Viral DNA fragments sometimes get inserted into the host genome and there is an enzyme called reverse transcriptase, which creates DNA from an RNA template. Some viruses are able to subvert the cellular machinery to produce reverse transcriptase . Whether or not this is possible with the vaccine or if it is a problem I ‘ve no idea. Possibly as high as 8% of vertebrate genome (including human) has a viral origin.
    
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    February 25, 2021 10:29am
    - rangitoto
      
      PS. If you a accuse Cindy of being a virus, well you could be about 8% correct.
      
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      February 25, 2021 10:34am
  - tf78
    
    cmm – I’m sure Zuckerburger was caught on tape saying that very thing.
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:58pm
- Michael Rodent
  
  For a drug / vaccine to obtain FDA approval it needs to go through a four phase protocol with Phase 3 being the substantive test on humans to determine efficacy and adverse side effects. The Pfizer and Moderna documentation specifically records that the Phase 3 tests will be concluded in October / November 2022. From this it appears that all recipients of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccinations are perhaps unknowingly taking part in a yet concluded Phase 3 testing regime?
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:10am
I remember when

Special Paradise Shelduck season open for Taranaki hunters weeks Feb 27-28 and March 6-7.
Bag limit of 10 birds per hunter.
The special season is for paradise shelduck only and the aim is to disperse ducks that had massed for their annual moult.
Mallard still out of season.
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February 25, 2021 8:56am
jedmo

Maori wards bill pushed through under urgency, local government to become less representative, less democratic,
Local councils will be sticking it to their constituents with glee, I believe my local council is straining at the leash to lumber us with a Maori ward.
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February 25, 2021 9:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Maori Electoral Roll now has to go and the seats abolished. Don’t let it get worse.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:23pm
Yvette

Iwi calls Moriori ‘conquered and subjugated’ in modern-day land battle.
Attempts to hand land back to Moriori of the Chatham Islands are opening up old and painful wounds.
The iwi which invaded their home from Taranaki in 1835 say it can’t happen, because Moriori have been “conquered and subjugated”.
Moriori chose to obey their law and refused to fight back. In less than thirty years, 90 percent of the population – or 1561 people – were dead and the survivors were kept in slavery until they were freed in 1863.
Now, Ngāti Mutunga o Wharekauri is trying to block a planned transfer of 12,000 hectares of Department of Conservation (DoC) land back to Moriori, saying they have no right to have it exclusively.
The High Court has already ruled against Ngāti Mutunga’s case. It is based on an argument that the vesting of land in Moriori would infringe on its rights to the land under sections 18, 20 and 21 of the Bill of Rights Act. [1]

The above Newshub article (27/12/2018) may now be out of date and/or superseded by negotiations, but will Ngāti Mutunga o Wharekauri take any part in apologies or compensation.
I understand the Treaty is between Crown and Maori, but if the Crown offended against Moriori, what official recognition will there be that a Maori iwi, the Treaty partner, also offended to a degree that its hard to establish in comparison.

I am interested to know eventually what Māori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi refers to in saying the colonial misconception about Māori and Moriori needed to be corrected in narratives.

The arrival of European settlers in 1791 marked the start of a long journey of adversity for the Moriori people due to the threat of new diseases.

In addition, the Moriori were invaded by two iwi Māori, Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama, between 1835 and the early 1860s.A sixth of the Moriori population were murdered and those left behind were taken as slaves which caused the Moriori population to drop from 1700 to about 100. [2]

Is that not the closest any group has come to genecide in New Zealand history, and should not all parties responsible for it apologise fully?

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/12/taranaki-iwi-fights-to-keep-moriori-land-it-invaded.html
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300238527/moriori-treaty-settlement-passes-first-reading-in-parliament
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February 25, 2021 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is that not the closest any group has come to genecide in New Zealand history, and should not all parties responsible for it apologise fully?
  
  No…It is solely the fault of the Dept of Education publishing some anonymous rubbish in the 1916 School Journalsabout the Moriori.
  
  (the fact that this rubbish was partially sourced second-hand from Māori informants is best forgotten).
  https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10092/960/thesis_fulltext.pdf?sequence=1
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:46am
Maggie Pie

Twitter doesn’t want you to see this, so you should probably watch it…

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1364240937967362050

It’s pretty clear to most people that DJT won.
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February 25, 2021 9:22am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, it got Crowder suspended. But he goes to the addresses that people supposed voted from.
  
  The whole show is on YouTube
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfN93gDLwVA
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:02am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  Biden and Co. will not shut up about “democracy” this and “democracy” that. Of course, up is down and black is white now, so clearly this indicates the subversion of democracy. It’s a reasonable proposition to suggest that a country is undemocratic in proportion to the number of times the leaders tell the world that it is in fact a strong democracy. It should be self-evidently so.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:43am
  - Dougal10
    
    A bit like when a leader has to keep telling us how kind they are by way of their pr department .
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:10pm
- MCos
  
  Everyday I see about 20 videos advertised as someone ‘doesn’t want you to see this’.
  
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  February 25, 2021 2:01pm
I remember when

Just like clockwork.
We have reached the period where the financial bad news was expected to be confirmed.
The real effects of lockdown are now being revealed.
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February 25, 2021 9:29am
Maggie Pie

Magic News reporting… Police are appealing for information about a 10 year old boy that went missing from the ‘Northcote Shopping Center’ at 9:30pm last night.

Holy Mother – even I wouldn’t go there at 9:30 in the morning.

Just saying.
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February 25, 2021 9:40am
BeaB

TV3 is again on the attack against National. Last night they promised us, on the basis of ‘leaks’, that a coup was coming, not now but next year !

Firstly, someone needs to shut those gobby mouths in National.
Secondly, reporters just need to report what is happening n0w and stop trying to topple politicians.
Notice they are perfectly happy with Mallard and Menendez.
And not at all worried about 12-houses Woods and poverty-buster Ardern.
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February 25, 2021 9:49am
- Tricati
  
  TV3, and in particular, Tova O’Brian usually ramp up the ‘anti’ National Party rhetoric when the PM or government are in the crap.
  With the current focus on the recent questionable change in covid level in Auckland, housing shambles, gangs and the further failure of the PM to significantly reduce child poverty, the message has been sent to Tova to create the distractions – Time National really ramped up their response and got stuck into these issues.
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The reports of gobbly mouths in National are most likely fake.
  Trust nothing from a “journalist” or troll without them fully naming the parties and the occasion.
  Labour are past mistresses at filling the media with disinformation for diversion and to set up memes for progressive action. You never see the backgrounders showing the realities unless the media are screaming for another $50M to keep them fit and on side.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:20pm
- CBR600
  
  National are beyond saving!
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:49pm
Rusty

Notice how their has been less news coverage of covid in the USA since Biden became president?

Is covid getting better, worse, or the same in the US?

You wouldn’t know either way even CNN removed their telethon/covid figures off the screen after Biden was sworn in.
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February 25, 2021 9:51am
- Flossie
  
  No they didn’t. It’s still there.
  
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  February 25, 2021 12:01pm
Fletch

LOL, two guys stop woman on the road, get her to pull over, and she jumps out and starts accusing them of harassing her, but they point to her car…. ?

https://twitter.com/fred035schultz/status/1364514072419532801
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February 25, 2021 10:11am
oldfella

I can remember when Amnesty International was an organisation I could admire. Sadly, those days are long gone. Today, if a ‘prisoner of conscience’ is not sufficiently ‘woke’, Amnesty International will downgrade him. Charming!
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“In his fight against Putin, Alexei Navalny needs all the help he can get. The might of the Russian state is pitted against him. Having failed to kill Navalny, the Kremlin has achieved its aim, at least in the short term, of silencing him: by locking him up in prison.
Now, though, Navalny’s attempt to take on Putin has been undermined once again by an organization which should know better.
Amnesty International has announced that it will no longer refer to Navalny as ‘a prisoner of conscience’. The reason? Past comments the Russian opposition leader has made about immigrants which, the organization says, effectively amount to hate speech.”
https://spectator.us/topic/canceled-amnesty-international-undermined-alexei-navalny-fight-freedom/
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February 25, 2021 10:11am
Jack5

Look who’s defending New Zealand’s police chief, Andrew Coster from former Opposition leader Bridges, who called Coster a “wokester commissioner” and not fit for the job.

The chief cop’s White knight is Jarrod Gilbert, writing in Stuff, which describes him thus: Dr Jarrod Gilbert is the Director of Criminal Justice at the University of Canterbury.

Hardly surprising: the State’s Woke media conglomerate doesn’t want Bridges rallying the anti-Woke, and you can bet it would like to restrict any recovery of National, at present all but comatose.

In January 2015, Stuff reported the police had apologised to what it called “censored” gang researcher Gilbert after he was deemed unfit to conduct research and banned from accessing basic police data due to his gang links.

Stuff reported then:

Gilbert spent a decade researching gangs for his book, Patched: The history of gangs in New Zealand. The book was partly based on research but also on ingratiating himself with criminals.

His only association with gangs was for research and he had not done anything he could be charged for, he said.

Jarrod Gilbert is a sociologist at Canterbury University, and a frequent commenter on Radio NZ who seems to favour a Scandinavian justice-and-prison system, which he has described as a much more attractive model.

Stuff trots out Gilbert:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300238343/simon-bridges-v-andrew-coster-the-national-mp-went-too-far-in-his-attack-on-wokester-police-commissioner
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February 25, 2021 10:16am
- Jack5
  
  Footnote: I posted this before reading of Bridges’ new criticism of the police chief this morning.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:24am
- mandk
  
  If you want to know about gang life and gang culture, try reading True Red, co-authored by Tuhoe Isaac a former MM member.
  
  It pulls no punches in exposing the depravity and criminality of the gangs.
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:13am
Fletch

Anthony Fauci’s boss, Francis Collins, who is National Institutes of Health Director, praises the Trump Administration for the rapid development are deployment of the vaccine.

“The Operation Warp Speed, for which I give a great deal of credit to Secretary Azar, was a effort that many of us were not initially convinced was going to be necessary and it was thought about as a Manhattan Project,” Collins said on Sunday.

He continued, “Those words were used sometimes to describe what needed to happen in order to get all parts of the government together in an unprecedented way to test up to six vaccines in rigorous trials… so that if any of those trials happen to work, you would already have doses ready to go into arms.”

“The fact that we, in December, had not one but two vaccines that had gone through trials of at least 30,000 participants and had been judged safe and effective by a very rigorous and very public FDA process is just breathtaking that that got done in 11 months from when we first knew about this virus is at least five years faster than it’s ever been done before.”
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February 25, 2021 10:18am
- SB2
  
  Fletch, unfortunately viable Vaccines like Pifzer arrived before and its development had nothing to do with operation warp speed .
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:05am
  - Fletch
    
    That’s simply not true. Even Pfizer admits they were part of Operation Warp Speed.
    
    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/11/10/pfizer-says-it-is-participating-in-trumps-operation-warp-speed-contradicting-media-denials/
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:23pm
New Zealander

“Wokester”.

Simon Bridges is right.

Judith Collins is wrong.

How many more times do you think we will say this in 2021?

Judith was once known as “Crusher”, but of late the only thing that appears to be crushed are her conservative political instincts.

She isn’t popular, and appears to be trying to re-imagine herself as someone who can appeal to the woke media, immigrants, environmentalists, Polynesians and Maori.

The problem for National is that Bridges is also unpopular, but at least he has stuck to his guns.

Luxon is busy spending money on Facebook ads, but I haven’t seen him say anything of note in Parliament yet. I doubt we will.

National face what is going to be a very crucial, difficult three years.

I can see National falling even further in the polls in 2023 if they continue down their confused path.
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February 25, 2021 10:26am
- cmm
  
  Perhaps Bridges should just accept that the new powder-blue Nats are no longer the Nats he joined and they never will be again.
  
  Time to go join ACT if he really wants to get anywhere.
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:46am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I always thought that Judith Collins (before she became leader) should have gone and joined Act as back then it was just Seymour.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:07pm
    - doublehappy
      
      Now under her true colours, Im very glad she didn’t.
      
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      February 25, 2021 12:56pm
Fletch

That new $1.9 trillion bill that the Democrats are passing for Covid releif… only 9% of it will be used for Covid-19. The rest of it is a Pelosi and Schumer spending wish list.

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1364207515626393600

https://twitter.com/RepBradWenstrup/status/1364251393842905090
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February 25, 2021 10:29am
kowtow

stuffed cartoonist today showing I suppose it’s Simon Bridges as a clown for calling the Chief Plod a wokester.

When does the stuffed cartoonist hold any actual govt ministers to account .

Housing
Poverdy
Gang numbers
Race based legislation
Uncontrolled ,unaccounted spending
Free speech

So much material , so little lampooning.

The Media Pardy demand special status in society on the basis they they have a role to play in holding power to account , but when the power they like is in power , they attack the Opposition , relentlessly.

Not fit for purpose.
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February 25, 2021 10:46am
- Swifty
  
  I totally agree kowtow.
  
  I might have thought that, by default, 60-80% of their pieces should be levelled at the government because, you know, they’re the ones in power…..
  
  They’re the ones who need ‘holding to account’; they’re the ones who need ‘telling the truth to…’.
  
  Not in lefty-land I guess. It’s the opposition who must be attacked and lampooned 80-90% of the time.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:58am
Swifty

Remember under Key the, often daily, certainly weekly wailing, gnashing, hair-pulling, shirt-rending hysteria about Serco managing some of our prisons?

How they shouldn’t be in the game, how they were guaranteed to fail, prisoners and staff weren’t safe etc etc etc and the slightest mis-step was immediately pounced on by Labour MPs, the relevant unions, the media etc.

Well, now we have killings in Corrections institutions and not a peep from Labour, the Greens or the unions.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300238897/manawat-prison-assault-victim-bradley-king-dies-in-hospital

Where are the union reps in the papers and airwaves daily demanding action? Where are the Labour and Green MPs on the floor of Parliament demanding investigations and accountability? Where are the in-depth media investigative journalism pieces on our tv, newspapers and radio?

Nope, nothing to see here.

Like the TPPA, like the multiple education beat-ups, like the concerted campaigns by the PSA to do all they can to protect the mate’s interests – it is now clear for all to see how the Serco issue was a pure political beat-up by Labour, the unions and their media mates to gain political and economic advantage and to protect vested union interests and incumbency.

And it provides yet another example of why the NZ Labour Party giving taxpayer money to private media companies is a corrupt practice and a national scandal.

And meanwhile Bradley King’s friends and family will have to bury him, mourn his passing and live their lives without him all because Corrections failed in their duty and couldn’t keep him safe.

Kelvin Davis lead the charge against Serco. He was the head critic and he was the one demanding accountability and for heads to roll, when National was in the hot seat.

Now Bradley King is dead. Murdered in one of Kelvin Davis’ jails.

What accountability will you accept Minister? Labour? Unions?
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February 25, 2021 10:47am
- Ruahine
  
  Swifty. Agree with what you have written. It is spot on.
  This should be the playbook for Act and National but I am not seeing it.
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:05am
- mandk
  
  To answer your questions:
  None
  None
  None.
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:09am
- I remember when
  
  Double bunking when he shouldn’t have been.
  Apparently asleep when the attack happened.
  First time before courts and on remand.
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It looks like Corrections were dumped with yet another psychotic inmate…. the chap who bashed the sleeping victim.
  
  There’s also the little problem of why Bradley King was even in Jail…he was a first time offender.. on remand..facing burglary charges.
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:34am
  - Swifty
    
    Indeed Maggy.
    
    You and I have talked about this in the past – one day, maybe soon, there will be a massive class action and/or royal commission directed at the crown for the multiple, widespread and long-standing abuse, injury and death perpetrated in our prisons and over decades – and the associated human costs of this neglect and violence.
    
    And it will be the taxpayer who will end up carrying the can for successive government failings.
    
    (PS – if you know where to look anyone can find videos taken on cell-phones of violence and thuggery in our prisons. Right here in little ol’ NZ. The violence is staggering.)
    
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    February 25, 2021 11:48am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed. King was awaiting sentencing on relatively minor commercial burglary charges. I hope his bail wasn’t refused because of his ethnicity…
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fighting-for-his-life-gentle-giant-facing-minor-charges-close-to-death-after-brutal-attack-while-he-slept-in-prison-cell/CHKAZ5DTTZHA4JQ5EOX6KYVNVM/
      
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      February 25, 2021 12:18pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It was like that 40 years ago.
      
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      February 25, 2021 1:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        Far less so, in my view KevOB.
        
        Right up until the late 60s violence in our prisons (inmate on inmate) was far less frequent than it is now and particularly in the last couple of decades.
        
        Talking fairly recently with two guys who (both) did decades in various prisons including ‘D’ Block at Pare and since the 60s – they say the same.
        
        Standovers, intimidation and strong versus weak beatings were a no-no and offenders were encouraged by the old-school lags to rehabilitate themselves. Fast.
        
        That’s all gone now.
        
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        February 25, 2021 2:15pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I had detailed reports from my family about personal experience in those years. The children’s home were living prisons too. Little, if any, seems to have changed about State Care or prisons.
        
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        February 25, 2021 7:08pm
- tui47
  
  I sat beside a RNZ political journalist at lunch today. I faked reading of the Herald while I listened. He was talking to a contact about some investigative stories on Corrections they were going to do. To quote him on Kelvin: “Kelvin is a weak link”. Kelvin was apparently ‘great in Opposition” but “no good in Government”. They discussed Kelvin’s failure as Minister of Corrections to make any progress on improvements including Waikeria. Apparently Kelvin has failed to meet around 27 targets on changes he was supposed to be making within Corrections. So far he has failed and has eight months to go to meet his targets. The journalist expects him to fail. He also said that he believes there is a lot more to come on the Waikeria riot. The Journalist told his contact that there are multiple issues that they can investigate for stories. He said he will contact the Opposition to get them to ask a few questions at QT in the house.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:18pm
I remember when

Am having difficulty in understanding how the US excess deaths can be almost exactly the same as the covid death total.
If so many covid deaths occur in the 70+ age group, with a life expectancy of 78.8 and high co-morbidity, what’s going on.
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February 25, 2021 10:53am
- I remember when
  
  Incidentally I seem to remember the same result when the deaths reached 300,000.
  
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  February 25, 2021 10:54am
Maggie Pie

I like to watch ‘Question Time’ when I’m here in the afternoons.
Best show in town.
What is a real hoot, whenever Jacinda rises to answer a question, watching Robbo’s head bob up and down in unison with her mouth 😀
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February 25, 2021 11:01am
- sooty
  
  Along with having the noddys as backup for interviews!
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:20pm
I remember when

Northern Outlook: Feb 24
Oxford Bird Rescue owner Scott Bowman said 30 little owls, brought in from across Canterbury had graduated from “fledgling retraining school.”
Most suffered from loss of condition as they only get fed by parents for about a month, before having to fend for themselves.
Bug motels and decomposing logs at Rescue provide insects and a solar light helps provide night-time moths.
An owl most New Zealanders probably don’t realise exists in New Zealand.
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February 25, 2021 11:20am
- hilaryt
  
  Piece in the paper about this effort.
  
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  February 25, 2021 3:06pm
cmm

I was browsing though the library catalogue for something to read and saw a new title – something like “Being Black in a White World”

So how does that really stack up? Is it really a White World?

China has approx 1.4 billion people (pretty much all Chinese) + heaps more East Asians in the rest of Asian.
Africa has about 1.35 billion people (pretty much all Black)
India also has about 1.35 billion (almost all Indian)

So where the hell are all these Whites hiding?
Europe + UK + Russia (mostly White) 750million
North America (USA + Canada- whites only) 260m
South America (whites only) 200m
Africa, Australia, NZ – 32m
So maybe 1.25 billion whites in the world.

Yet somehow everyone else is the minority and you’re a racist for pointing this out.

Indeed, like Europe, China’s population is slumping while Africa and India are still soaring. Within the next few years it is expected that both India and Africa have overtaken China.
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February 25, 2021 11:23am
- ISeeRed
  
  200m whites in South America? That’s a new one. I hate the world “white” to describe human beings anyway. The edges between “races” are so blurred. “White” isn’t something I personally “identify” as. And surely it’s how you identify nowadays that matters, not what other people label you. Or does that only to apply to non-whites? So hard to keep up…
  
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  February 25, 2021 11:43am
  - NoFax
    
    Race is a social construct – there is no difference between the so-called races. I just wish more people saw that reality. But there are too many people making money on divisions.
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Pinks”……
    
    Depends on exposure to the sun really doesn’t it?
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:28pm
Master Mariner

Found this interesting,

Its what I have been saying previously about “rare earths” , Myanmar produces 40 % and China Controls 80 % and allocates “parcels” to other countries by WTO rules.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/technology/2021/02/biden-rushes-to-address-global-computer-chip-shortage-via-latest-executive-order.html

https://www.nbr.org/publication/chinas-control-of-rare-earth-metals/

https://www.ft.com/content/d3ed83f4-19bc-4d16-b510-415749c032c1
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/technology/2021/02/biden-rushes-to-address-global-computer-chip-shortage-via-latest-executive-order.html

As countries assess the risk of supply chain disruption, what industries would truly face a bottleneck in advancing technology if access to rare earths were restricted, and which would be more resilient?

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“In addition to the electronics sector, the U.S. defense industry relies heavily on rare earth elements. Industries that rely on permanent magnets are particularly vulnerable to disruptions in the supply chain. For example, as noted earlier, the batteries in electric vehicles rely on neodymium and praseodymium. These magnets are also necessary in key parts of the U.S. security industry, including missile-guidance systems and drone technology. There are no quick or easy alternatives.”

If this gets messier, I believe will. Then Kiss good by Electric Cars , Because without Rare earths then no way to manufacture at reasonable cost.

Interesting why Biden is so Vocal on Myanmar military coup.
This is why.

The Chinese have all the aces.
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February 25, 2021 11:48am
- cmm
  
  It is not clear to me that holding a 100 day review of supply chains is really rushing towards anywhere.
  
  The electronic shortages that are disrupting car manufacturing are mainly due to a chip factory burning down which cas cut supply of some chips by 20%.
  
  https://www.strata-gee.com/akm-fire-2020-was-almost-over-then-disaster-struck-again/
  
  So what happens then? Other factories re-tool to “help”. It works for them because they are getting bigger profits on the chips they are making and the chips they were making then get the short straw.
  
  Renesas is a chip manufacturer you don’t typically hear much about, but they are very commonly used in automotive. When Renesas cuts supply then cars suffer.
  
  So it’s not at all clear to me that Biden’s executive order will achieve anything other than theatre to be seen to be doing something.
  
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  February 25, 2021 12:16pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Fair enough,
    However i see it as trying to secure quota on rare earths of which they are losing control.
    
    I believe its a bigger issue than car chips. But thats my point of view.
    
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    February 25, 2021 12:38pm
- Nickc2
  
  What’s our Foreign Minister and Trade Minister got to say about this? Crickets. I seriously doubt either of them would know what Rare Earths are.
  Remember that Green idiot MP Genter wants NZ to only have EVs and Bikes as means of transport. Well I guess the shortage of Rare Earths and China’s dominance of the market of them, her love of EVs will probably come to bite her on the arse.
  
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  February 25, 2021 12:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why would China be buying shares in a mine in Greenland?
  
  https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/mining-project-rare-earths-and-uranium-greenland-close-approval
  
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  February 25, 2021 3:44pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Hey Master – Given your predicament, you may have read the following to fill in time:
  “Tom Clancy’s “FULL FORCE and EFFECT” first published around 2014 as best I can work out and written by Mark Greaney. Avail on Kindle.
  If you haven’t might be worth looking at to compare your thoughts above with.
  I don’t think you’re too far wrong based on this somewhat older fiction piece. 🙂
  
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  February 25, 2021 4:47pm
oldfella

Here’s a fun question. Why do Democrats suddenly want old Slow Joe to give up full control of nuclear weapons?
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2021/02/23/say-house-dems-calling-biden-give-full-control-nuclear-weapons/
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February 25, 2021 11:57am
- SB2
  
  There is a system process in place that prevented a crazy Trump or even an “ole Slow Joe” from ever getting their hands on the Nuclear button.
  
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  February 25, 2021 12:57pm
TripeWryter

I was mikldly surprised to learn yesterday that ‘twat’ – according to stuff, so where else, I suppose – is now a slur.

I always thought it was a variation of ‘twit’ – a foolish person.

oh, well …
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February 25, 2021 12:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  You may have been thinking of TWOT
  which stands for…..’Total Waste Of Time’
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:12pm
  - TripeWryter
    
    No, Maggie: I know the difference, and the sexual connotation with ‘twot’.
    
    I was introduced to the latter by my older sister.
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:47pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Uhh, I sincerely hope that was sarcasm… in Englishman’s English, “twat” (pronounced “twot”) refers specifically to a woman’s vagina or vulva… it used to be considered horribly, horribly vulgar. But as with many things, times change.
  
  Grandma Pharma, she from Merseyside; once heard it used in front of her by one of my cousins… Suffice it to say, was never said again; at least in front of G’ma.
  
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  February 25, 2021 3:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And yet ..
    
    “In British English the epithet denotes an obnoxious or stupid person of either sex”
    
    I did like this bit though
    
    “”Can you distinguish an utter twat from a complete prick? I think you can. An utter twat knows not what he or she does. A complete prick does.””
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:26pm
  - TripeWryter
    
    I refer you to my answer to Maggie Pie.
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:47pm
Inandout

This could lead to interesting Mid Term elections if other States join in.
https://trends.gab.com/item/6036d7dfe09bb91be52be41b
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February 25, 2021 12:02pm
oldfella

A great ‘woke’ idea, and probably coming to Ayoteearower sometime soon.
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California Bill Would Fine Stores $1,000 for Having Separate Boys and Girls Sections.
The bill doesn’t just target brick-and-mortar shops either. California-based retailers would also be required to include a page on their website that presents the aforementioned products in a gender-neutral way, with the section being titled “kids,” “unisex,” or “gender-neutral.”
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/02/24/california-bill-would-fine-stores-1000-for-having-separate-boys-and-girls-sections-n1428091
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February 25, 2021 12:05pm
- Ehlana
  
  Isn’t a kid a baby goat? Surely more insulting than Boy/Girl? Maybe just call it the Toy section.
  
  Clothing is a different matter when the clothing is cut to fit different biological shapes. And if you are not allowed to separate Boys and Girls clothing, will it be okay to have Mens and Womens?
  
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  February 25, 2021 3:19pm
oldfella

Lot of wisdom in the Bible. Take this Old Testament gem:

A wise man’s heart inclines him to the right, but a fool’s heart to the left.
–(Ecclesiastes 10:2)

Hard to argue with that. 😉
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February 25, 2021 12:14pm
Maggie Pie

It wasn’t that long ago I’d buy my mum ‘Bath Salts’ for mothers day.

Just saying.
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February 25, 2021 12:26pm
Fletch

That Hillary “fiction” thriller novel she is co-authoring –

“STATE OF TERROR follows a novice Secretary of State who has joined the administration of her rival, a president inaugurated after four years of American leadership that shrank from the world stage. A series of terrorist attacks throws the global order into disarray, and the secretary is tasked with assembling a team to unravel the deadly conspiracy, a scheme carefully designed to take advantage of an American government dangerously out of touch and out of power in the places where it counts the most.”

Looks like she is making herself the hero.

Meanwhile, for kids, the picture book of the life story of go-getter, little Joey Biden, written by his wife.

https://www.amazon.com/Joey-Story-Biden-Dr-Jill/dp/1534480536/

Seriously, who is putting out this tripe? It’s like propaganda for children.
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February 25, 2021 12:30pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

As I walked through the public sector district in Wellington the other day, I noticed the number of private vehicles pulling in to the underground car parks. Given it was first thing in the morning, undoubtedly most of them were staff, rather than visitors. I found myself wondering how many car parks are provided for head office staff, & given that Jacinda regards climate change as an existential threat, how she can justify any number higher than zero.
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February 25, 2021 12:35pm
- sooty
  
  I thought all public servants took the train or the bus, why would they need a car. They never need to leave their desk?
  
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  February 25, 2021 2:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    To be honest there is no “public sector district” in Wellington so I’m unsure what he is on about.
    
    The vast majority of public service vehicles are sign written, usually in an incomprehensible language, and are seldom provided as a perk.
    
    I know of a few that have a carpark for security reasons but the rest have the same issue with public parking as the rest of us peasants.
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:21pm
Don Beckett

You may recall our TV channels breathlessly reporting that after Tiger Woods’ accident, that President Obama and President Biden had rung him or contacted the family to pass on their good wishes.

But you never heard who beat them all to pass on his good wishes: That’s right – President Donald J Trump. First up, best dressed -except in the eyes of the biased media.
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February 25, 2021 12:59pm
- Inandout
  
  Don, old Joe doesn’t awaken until Jill shakes him, at maybe 10am. And Obama is too busy at his seaside home doing chores to do urgent stuff.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:24pm
  - Fletch
    
    Obama is too busy doing podcasts with Springsteen about the direction America is heading.
    
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    February 25, 2021 4:37pm
Jack5

Afternoon diversion A new type of world map …

The Mercator-projection world maps that have hung on school walls for decades, in the past with the British empire in red, give a distorted view of continents and countries. (Google Maps are also based on Mercator projection.) The Mercator maps inflate the size of countries by distance from the Equator.

However, because it direction properties mean these maps sill dominate marine navigations.

Because Earth is a sphere, in two dimensions it’s hard to give an accurate 2D view of its surface.

Scientific American gives as an example of Mercator distorted map showing Greenland nearly the size of Africa, when in fact Africa is 14 times as big.

The new map flattens Earth into two pancakes, side by side to overcome boundary problems. The map is the work of astrophysicists at Princeton University led by Professor J. Richart Gott.

It beats the previous most accurate 2D world map, the Winkel Tripel, developed by German cartographer Oswald Winkel in 1921. It split the Pacific Ocean in two, creating the illusion that Asia and Hawaii are farther apart than they really are.

The map background:

https://www.livescience.com/pancake-earth-flat-map.html

A brief demonstration of the new map (click the video):

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/new-2d-map-of-world-most-accurate-ever-made-and-flatearthers-are-going-to-love-it/
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February 25, 2021 1:02pm
- rangitoto
  
  If you want an equal area projection then the Mollweide projection is better.
  
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  February 25, 2021 2:38pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Interesting,
  Still does’nt get away from the fact that the earth is an “Oblique Speroid”. ie Wider at equator than distance to poles.
  
  Unfortunately no use to Maritime Navigation as Course line would have to be constantly adjusted.
  Mercator projection for aviation and maritime charts is the only way to accurately plot a course mainly due to the fact that lines of longitude and latitude form right angles.
  
  You also have polar charts and great circle charts among others.
  
  Thats why when you sail or fly you generally do great circle route ( shortest distance), unless sailing due East or West. As in sailing we follow tidal currents and flying they try and utilise jetstreams or avoid them if going Westwards.
  
  Look up Napiers Rules for working out long hand Maths to work these out.
  3-4 pages of Maths to get a bloody initial and final course.
  
  Of interest Loran C is making a come back due to concerns of GPS reliability.
  
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  February 25, 2021 3:43pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Never used Loran C, used Decca Navigator in Europe’
    
    Worked for Port Line and SCONZ and used somebody else’s GC courses as the ships had done the GC courses NZ to Panama many many time.
    
    No point in doing a GC on a N-S or E-W course.
    
    Used to race the apprentices doing stars. They used a calculator I used Logs. I used to win every time. Don’t ask me to do a star sight now though!!!
    
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    February 25, 2021 7:40pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Fantastic .
      Good achievement. I think Decca making come back as well.
      GC courses and limiting Latitudes.
      
      With stars its always the constellations. Once you have an eye for them then easy as not much difference next time.
      Norries tables is far better than sight reductions i found.
      
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      February 25, 2021 10:30pm
- trout
  
  I refer you to Buckminster Fullers Dymaxion Map that he developed in the sixties. Accurate representation of distances, demographic patterns, and migration routes. The work of a genius; a modern Leonardo Da Vinci.
  
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  February 25, 2021 5:43pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis has already spent in excess of 30k for private IVF treatment.

Then you come across something like this…..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124220257/drinkdriver-who-assaulted-woman-dodges-deportation-so-he-and-wife-can-have-ivf

FFS!!
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February 25, 2021 1:06pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, be kind, even though this man’s mind has been described as ‘tangled’ and probably not a good genetic start for any offspring.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:26pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  So…..if they get pregnant, then they hang around to have the baby in NZ?
  I can see this being gamed into the next generation.
  
  And as far as needing to be here to access public IVF…..is that procedure some sort of overriding human right/entitlement that means they cant just be sent packing?
  Defies logic to me. In any case, if you want the benefits of living in NZ as a guest, then don’t commit multiple crimes here.
  Commit crimes = ‘see ya later’.
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Hmmm, maybe try this first …
    
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2141985-clinic-turkey-baster-method-may-be-worth-trying-before-ivf/
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yup. Exactly right FSD. I know my partner’s mum is a bit behind the times…..she was wondering why people like this are actually being encouraged by the State to breed anyway?
    
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    February 25, 2021 3:29pm
surfing

Of the top 3 employent related stories on the NZ herald website…..

Vodafone NZ losing 200 staff,
‘Devastating blow’ as Whakatāne Mill closure looms
$2m wage spike for Auckland Museum staff riles council CEO

Private sector struggling, while council staff doing great….
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February 25, 2021 1:18pm
- nathie
  
  Is Vodafone ‘going woke and going broke’?
  
  Losing 200 staff is around 10% of their employees, that’s gutting for the staff and their morale.
  
  How many of the proposed 150 new staff will end up in their Marketing and HR sections, promoting more diversity and identity politics divisiveness?
  
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  February 25, 2021 4:24pm
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 6.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this weeks episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, Huawei, Wall Street and Burisma.
Will Beiing Biden still wonder what the hell he’s doing in the Whitehouse? Will many millions more agree with him? Will ‘climate change’ still be a thing in Texas? Will ‘alternative energy’ shares take a dive? How many 8am lids will Beijing Biden call this week? If there’s a new Iran deal, will Blinken blink first? Will it be cash or Bitcoin this time? Will the GOP split? Will McConnel, and the Lincoln Project form a conservative rump party? If president Trump can’t be buried in Arlington; will the Democrats be buried in congress in 2022? Will Governor Cuomo be remembered alongside Dr Kevorkian? Will NY Republicans join Dems in trying to end his career? Is president Trump making a list, and checking it twice? Will Beiing Biden find those mile stones? Will ‘Dr Jill’ increase his medication? Will he remember to take it? Will he help Texas? Will Texas help itself to a bigger than average slice of secession pie? Is Beiing Bidens score in Mario Kart classified? Will ‘VP’ Harris ‘believe all women’ about the allegations against Governor Cuomo? Will the WH still be on the defensive about this ‘administrations’ kids in cages?
Stay tuned folks!
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February 25, 2021 1:30pm
Suze Wainwright

Does Golriz ever ‘do environmental’ or is she purely there for human rights diversity?
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February 25, 2021 1:35pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I guess the same could be said of Ricardo – he does know how to create a rather large carbon footprint
  
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  February 25, 2021 1:39pm
mikenmildagain

A good quote about physics:

“Aristotle said a bunch of stuff that was wrong. Galileo and Newton fixed things up. Then Einstein broke everything again. Now, we’ve basically got it all worked out, except for small stuff, big stuff, hot stuff, cold stuff, fast stuff, heavy stuff, dark stuff, turbulence, and the concept of time”
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February 25, 2021 1:53pm
- rangitoto
  
  Some of Aristotle’s wrong stuff was fixed up by Aristarchus.
  
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  February 25, 2021 4:31pm
- Clyde
  
  Its amazing to me that despite time being an integral part of the space-time continuum, we don’t know what time actually is. Einstein remains as our best modern thinker in physics, but dark matter and dark energy remain dark and unknown. Incredible.
  
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  February 25, 2021 9:15pm
James Stephenson

Guptill.M is making a few armchair coaches and selectors around these part look less than perceptive…
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February 25, 2021 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

Just caught some of todays Question Time.
Must say I no longer detect anything like the ‘sexual tension’ in the Chamber that was very evident during the last term.
Maybe that’s part of the reason Nashie has stopped dyeing his hair?
Although I see he’s still doing his eyebrows 😀
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February 25, 2021 3:19pm
Andrei

I like the cut of her jib

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1364719403498164226
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February 25, 2021 3:36pm
lazza

Never let an (aging) Guptill …
go by.
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February 25, 2021 3:39pm
surfing

So much wrong with this…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/omanawa-falls-locals-want-frustrating-visitors-to-closed-falls-trespassed/ATQKPURBI6CVAI5M2QSILRSCOU/

Local maori closed omanawa falls to the public, citing deaths of a couple of people.

Our concern is the numbers of people putting themselves at risk

Their concern is white people using public land in the vicinity of them!

People die all the time in oceans and rivers — maori don’t close the sea off, or , why not Mclaren falls (where a number of people have drowned over the years).

Rules should only apply to white people ….eg, council erected walls on a local bridge adjacent to a marae to stop maori from jumping from it– local maori destroyed the walls (https://m.sunlive.co.nz/news/289-bridge-windows-smashed.html) so they could continue their risky behaviour. So, why do bans only apply to white people?

Smith said five teenage boys from Tauranga entered the falls on February 15 despite being at Covid-19 alert level 2 restrictions

As far as I know, this is completely legal at level 2!! Now they are making up new rules to suit!

Maybe maori should lodge a treaty claim so they can reclaim the falls? That is what they really wish.
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February 25, 2021 3:40pm
- greybeard
  
  Drive over the Paremata Bridge any time and there will be several maori kids ( and older ) who are jumping off in total disregard of the clearly marked signs which say
  “No Jumping off Bridge”.
  Either a case of gross entitlement or a sign of not being able to read.
  
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  February 25, 2021 6:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yeah, because signs always deter people…
    
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    February 25, 2021 7:21pm
Swifty

Jenny Shipley at the Oxford Union:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxWUpltMHI

I offer no comment.
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February 25, 2021 4:00pm
- jon
  
  Must be be pretty tough for DAME Jenny Shipley to have to bear a title which has its origins in this so called evil British Empire. Must cause her many sleepless nights.
  
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  February 25, 2021 5:30pm
- nathie
  
  Woah scary stuff! Had to stop at 1’05” (silly Dame, just about “EVERYONE” got caned for any indiscretion back in the day! Eg the generation before me at my school got caned for walking on the grass in one’s dress shoes! In my time it became detention)! Anyway what a “woke” sellout she is (yes I know it’s debating, but still)!
  
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  February 25, 2021 5:35pm
- Jack5
  
  Shameful performance by Shipley. At least she didn’t give a lecture on corporate governance.
  
  “The British Empire is a national disgrace,” said Shipley.
  
  Unlike the People”s Republic of China of her business colleagues and friends.
  
  Maybe it really is time for the National Party to fade away and leave the field to ACT.
  
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  February 25, 2021 8:50pm
  - igm
    
    Maybe National should go cap-in-hand to Bridges and say, “We fucked up big time, please get in the driver’s seat again”.
    Seems he is the only one earning his swill in the party currently.
    
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    February 26, 2021 7:45am
GazzaW

Afternoon Captain M. Do you think that Martin Guptill has maybe spent enough time off with his family?
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February 25, 2021 4:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Surgery for me tomorrow. General anesthetic. The Hospital wanted to know if I had someone to pick me up. I say yes, a Taxi. “Oh no that can’t happen what if you pass out?”
Surely a Taxi driver with two brain cells would take me straight back to the Hospital?
Anyway, my partner will be with me, so all OK.
Btw, don’t call me Shirley
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February 25, 2021 4:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  +1 for Flying High reference
  
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  February 25, 2021 5:05pm
- krazykiwi
  
  .. and best wishes for the surgery. May it be as uneventful as a Twyford idea, and as speedy as the PM’s jazz hands
  
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  February 25, 2021 5:07pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Best wishes Steve. Might even offer a prayer for you. 🙂
  
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  February 25, 2021 5:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  UBERING SteveO?
  
  https://twitter.com/wittypedia_/status/1353482434550050818
  
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  February 25, 2021 5:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    North Shore Taxis. They have been warned to be on time. They let me down last year after a pre booking, 3 hours late. School runs they said. I had a stand up with the Manager, he will not face me again
    
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    February 25, 2021 6:58pm
    - Swifty
      
      Go well young fellow.
      
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      February 25, 2021 7:44pm
jon

HEY..did i hear this right??? The Biden administration is using cages for children on the Southern border??? If true our media doesnt seem interested in reporting it. Funny that.
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February 25, 2021 5:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those would be the cages that Trump had – built by Obama.
  Shut up, be quiet, you are making sleepy joe look like a dickhead – oh and horizontal Harris
  
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  February 25, 2021 6:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The experts agree – Gun Control Works.
Hitler, Castro, Quaddafi, Stalin, Idi Amin, Moa Zedong, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il.
Who is next??? Burma? Or maybe closer to home, even Oz
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February 25, 2021 5:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The least productive people are those who hold meetings all day in the Public Sector.
Incoming wounded, take action, stress meds available for the ones still out of the basement
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February 25, 2021 6:27pm
Tauhei Notts

Human Papilloma Virus?
I wonder how much of our Vote Health dough goes to these unfortunate victims. The cost of women in our society is becoming awful
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