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Happychappy

Dispite throwing billions of dollars at problems when in Government’s of the past you would have thought Labour would have learnt from previous failures, but no they promised substantial investment and tried to ridicule the previous Government by lies and deciet with all they have left us with is nine years of neglect.
Wait times for Youth Mental Health Services balloon out under Labour dispite hugh investment.
Wait times for children and teenagers trying to access Mental Health Care has increased by two weeks since Labour became the Government in 2017 dispite billion-dollar promise to fix the ailing sector.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300271651/wait-times-for-youth-mental-health-services-balloon-out-under-labour-despite-huge-investment
You would have thought Labour could have learnt from mistakes made by previous Labour Governments that money doesn’t fix all evils ,but learning from previous mistakes helps and until the recognize that the problems won’t go away no mater how much you invest.
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April 8, 2021 8:00am
- pdm
  
  Happy – ideology over rules common sense every day of the week with socialists.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:29am
- redeye
  
  Stuff must have already burned through their share of the $50 million. Today’s online has the following headline
  
  “Women’s health ‘held together by fax machine’ as Ardern Govt fails to fund modern HPV testing”
  
  Very damaging, especially in the wake of the tragic Kiri Allen diagnosis.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300271227/womens-health-held-together-by-fax-machine-as-ardern-govt-fails-to-fund-modern-hpv-testing
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:50am
- cmm
  
  Yes, they have learned.
  
  They have learned that explaining and measuring outcomes are both hard and alsways put them in a bad light.
  
  So, instead, they measure spending. “We spent $500M more than National on X” looks good to the sort of people that vote for Labour (ie. generally those that take more out of the system than they put into the system).
  
  If it works for them then why do you consider it a mistake?
  
  PS: You’re already falling into their trap by using their word “invest” – not the real word “spend”.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:19am
- fisho
  
  They know and they don’t give a damn about your logic. The main thing they want to do is take money off the people they hate, if that means crappy outcomes if doesn’t bother them one iota. They’re solely interested in increasing the population’s reliance on the State.
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:23am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Look I am getting married! Do you want to give me suggestions for my wedding dress? – Sheeple in unison Awwwwwww….
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:09pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    That ‘s nice you are getting married SCS.
    Is it going to be a civil ceremony or Church?
    Do you have any little children attending for the photos?
    Anyone famous invited?
    I suggest you contact Hills Barry for advice on your outfit.
    If it is to be a winter wedding, please seriously consider using merino WOOL for the frock.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Young people in Christchurch now are having to pay for private zoom consultations with psychiatrists in Auckland.
  
  Mental health services gone awol.
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:12pm
[email protected]

Jacinda Ardern goes to a primary school to talk to the kids to get a little PR. After her talk she offers question time. One little boy puts up his hand and Jacinda asks him his name.

“Colin,” responds the little boy.

“And what is your question, Colin?”

“I have 3 questions. First, why does New Zealand not support its’ partners asking hard questions of China? Second, why are you distancing yourself from the Mental Health Report? And third, how come only one third of the promised Covid 19 vaccines have been administered?”

Just then, the bell rings for recess. Jacinda Ardern informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess.

When they resume Jacinda says, “OK, where were we? Oh, that’s right question time. Who has a question?” Another little boy puts up his hand. Jacinda points him out and asks him his name.

“Graham! ,” he responds.

“And what is your question, Graham?”

“I have 5 questions. First, why does New Zealand not support its’ partners asking hard questions of China? Second, why are you distancing yourself from the Mental Health Report? And third, how come only one third of the promised Covid 19 vaccines have been administered? Fourth, why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early? And fifth, what the heck happened to Colin?”
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April 8, 2021 8:01am
- Bill Felt
  
  answer to the fourth question: PPTA
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:34am
- redeye
  
  Colin’s been sent for reeducation.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You win the Internet for today
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:17am
- David Garrett
  
  info: Superb Sir…I endorse that as the comment of the day (at least thus far)
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:40am
  - [email protected]
    
    Hi David,
    
    Thanks. I have to admit it is not original – I stole it but modified it for our use in New Zealand.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:45am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Sharing is caring.
      
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      April 8, 2021 12:42pm
    - Biscuit
      
      I’ve given you an unoriginal uptick, info!
      
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      April 8, 2021 4:07pm
mikenmildagain

It’s the feast day of Saint Walter of Pontoise. His magic may be invoked to counter job-related stress, so bear that in mind if you are having a tough day.
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April 8, 2021 8:02am
- washo
  
  I looked him up. He tried hard his whole life to avoid job related stress, or maybe just the job. Thanks for the rabbit hole.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  MM’s daily dose of cynical anti christian trolling.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:29am
- NoFax
  
  There is no magic in the Church. It is the left that think their words change reality.
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Prayer = magic
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:29pm
    - NoFax
      
      “prayer = magic” no that is simply nonsense. But since it is comment from mikenmildagain I should not be surprised. Maybe read some decent theology rather than something you saw in a movie. I shouldn’t have even enaged someone as disingenuous as yourself.
      
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      April 8, 2021 3:17pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Bunkum. How can an antique dead “saint” have any religious authority?
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:15pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I find your lack of faith distrurbing.
    
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    April 8, 2021 4:28pm
I remember when

‘Use of covid tracer app won’t be compulsory for Australians, MOH clarifies.
So if an Australian with covid arrives here it could be very difficult to trace their daily movements.
They will be asked to download and use app but it won’t be enforced.
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April 8, 2021 8:10am
- MCos
  
  Apart from anything else it’s impossible to enforce and from my observation the locals, who are just as likely to be infected by the bug as any visitor, are not queueing up to scan the code.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:31am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Seems legit. What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:36am
- Nickc2
  
  A well-thought-through policy. How many focus groups and consultants did it take to come up with this?
  Remember, Aust Tourists get free medical care for essential stuff when in NZ. Taxpayers shafted again in more ways than one.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:49am
  - rockape
    
    Same works in aus. I got malaria there couldn’t have had better service and free. I was Nz resident at that time.
    
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    April 8, 2021 5:15pm
  - sooty
    
    Kiwis get emergency treatment in aust.
    Just flash your passport, but not covered like our ACC over there.
    
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    April 8, 2021 5:27pm
- NoFax
  
  It isn’t compulsory for those living in NZ either. I have never downloaded and, therefore, used it. It appears it is only the truly afraid or the wokesters that are still using it.
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:13am
  - MCos
    
    You obviously don’t understand the concept.
    If you become infected it would facilitate tracking possible contacts at locations you have recorded as having visited.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:08pm
    - NoFax
      
      I perfectly understand the concpet MCos – but given the very low use I suspect most people are in the same boat as myself. Masks, social distancing, tracer apps, lockdowns – all theater with no scientific basis.
      
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      April 8, 2021 3:19pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Are you not part of the team of 5 million? Queen Cindy won’t appreciate that bro.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:10pm
    - NoFax
      
      No – I am not part of the team.
      
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      April 8, 2021 3:19pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Let’s go back 5 steps and ask how likely it will be that an Australian will come into the country with covid.
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:24am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    very much possible.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I would expect the visiting Australians to use the app just as enthusiastically as New Zealanders use it.
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:08am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yeah right. Only Cindy’s slaves use that app.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    Understand Aussie visitors not obliged to use our app – which is different from all Aussie ones for each state.
    
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    April 8, 2021 3:12pm
    - Batman
      
      It isn’t mandatory for NZers either so no issue there really
      
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      April 8, 2021 6:06pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Unless you envisage MoH officials following each Australian everywhere they go 24/7 while they are here, it would be completely impossible to monitor, let alone enforce, a compulsory requirement for them to use the tracer app while they are here.
  
  Why should they be treated differently from those of us already here, though?
  They are no more likely to be carrying the covids than we are.
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:12am
- theoldbloke
  
  Of course they wont be compulsory. The track and trace is a joke.
  
  I am not a fan of podcasts, I much prefer to read.
  However a friend strongly suggested I listen to this.
  
  A real bloke, with real experience on the Current medical situation in NZ. Yep a Kiwi and shock horror. From a poor family etc etc etc.
  A medical professor with two PHds etc, Submarine Officer from a stint in the Navy and trained in LEADERSHIP!
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/the-leighton-smith-podcast/leighton-smith-podcast-episode-105-april-7th-2021/
  
  Reinforces the fact that(altho he is too polite to say). That the current DG of Health is an abysmal failure(except in being a celebrity)
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:41pm
peterwn

So industrialists are all concerned that electricity spot prices have gone high and are cutting production. Inflows into hydro lakes are down so there is less water than usual to generate electricity, so spot prices have gone up. This is precisely what is supposed to happen, so I cannot see what all the fuss is about. These industrialists are big boys so should be managing their affairs better than that and should have proper contracts in place for much of their electricity requirements. They need to realise that running Huntly is much more expensive than running a hydro station.
Spot prices are like the medieval rack where the industrialist or knave is stretched until they reduce consumption or confess respectively.
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April 8, 2021 8:11am
- cmm
  
  The problem with spot pricing is that it can change rapidly by a huge amount. Ten times increases in prices are reasonably common.
  
  Nor is it really so much about hydro vs coal. Spot pricing is a way to cut back on overall demand.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:24am
  - peterwn
    
    Exactly. I mentioned the hydro v coal bit because this shows the spot price reflects the cost of the last dispatched generation which would be the most expensive. If Genesis did not have three ‘Rankine’ machines (ie old fashioned steam turbines) available for use, then the spot price would climb even higher. AFAIK the fourth ‘Rankine’ unit is a ‘boneyard’ for spare parts so is now unusable.
    If there is no more generation to dispatch then if demand is ‘inelastic’ the spot price would head towards infinity. Some regulatory authorities in USA etc have imposed spot price ‘caps’ to try and protect consumers against sky high spot prices, but this really defeats the purpose of spot prices.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:15am
    - cmm
      
      Quite.
      
      Coal is more expensive than hydro, but still a lot cheaper than OCGT.
      
      The real bugger is having spikes in demand rather than base demand and spot pricing can help to flatten that out.
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:00pm
      - peterwn
        
        OCGT has low capital costs, but high running costs. So it has its place as ‘last resort’ generation. Hence the merit order for dispatching generation is:
        1. nuclear / geothermal/ solar/ wind.
        2. hydro.
        3. pumped storage output / battery / hydrogen (these rely on the electricity being generated in the first place).
        4. combined cycle (including gas turbine where there is strong demand for heat such as Fonterra factories or hospitals etc).
        5. coal /oil /gas fired steam turbine (eg Huntly Rankine units).
        6. OCGT (open cycle gas turbine) using gas or liquid fuel.
        7. Diesel.
        
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        April 8, 2021 3:53pm
artemisia

Five low income Hamilton households will soon be following the Finance Minister’s advice and ‘looking elsewhere’. Probably looking hard at the social housing waiting list.

Finance Minister says – oh dear, how sad, never mind, not my problem.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/terminally-ill-woman-winz-families-asked-to-vacate-homes-by-hamilton-landlord-after-government-crackdown-on-property-investors.html
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April 8, 2021 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  The Media narrative there is “scum landlord” , ‘uncaring gubmint’.
  
  But , but , but the Media Pardy has made millions ( in turnover , not profits) by hyping and advertising the property bubble and was responsible for anointing this govt that’s so ‘uncaring”.
  
  Media Pardy win win.
  The rest of us ; not so much.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:35am
  - MCos
    
    The property owner has a number of houses that she quite obviously can sell any time she likes, putting her tenants out on the street.
    A bit harsh, but that’s the way of the world.
    However.
    It’s a bit disingenuous to put the blame on a tax change that is years away.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:26pm
    - peterwn
      
      But she needs to get in fairly quick. The Government is going to have to ‘do something’ about displaced tenants and an obvious move is to further increase security of tenure. If a landlord is not prepared to continue under the new tax regime, she needs to sell up sooner rather than later.
      Anyway what she is doing is just what Jacinda and Robbo want. They have been complaining about property investors buying up properties at the expense of first home buyers. She has played ball with them (since first home buyers have a chance to buy her five properties) and now she is being pilloried. Left wingers and MSM are going to have to make up their minds on this one.
      
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      April 8, 2021 1:29pm
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      No its not – its smart thinking, ensuring she sells up before the changes have a real impact and whilst property prices are still high. And as she notes, if we believe this is the last change this bunch of misfits will make to rental laws, we have a lot of disappointment coming.
      
      Robertson can wash his hands all he likes, just as Cindy has over the mental health (lack of) accountability. Me, I still remember her crocodile tears pre election over “the state of mental health” and what she would do. Shes done nothing, other than rule over a department that sets out to hide the truth.
      
      Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the most transparent government in NZ history.
      
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      April 8, 2021 1:38pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “I’m not working a full-time job just to pay tax – I’m sorry,” Goodwin told Newshub.
  
  Well said, that young lady, as both she and the tenants place the blame squarely (and correctly) at the feet of Robertson and his fellow imbeciles.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:45am
  - Ian Boag
    
    It sort of looks like these were structured the “normal” way – 40% equity, 60% loan – gives income of about zero (the desired result). Property looks after itself (no cash input) while owner waits for untaxed capital gain which is enhanced by the leverage of borrowed money.
    
    I have no problems with this – it is what it is – but any (other) kind of investment (than rental residential) where you borrow $1.50 for every $1 input has associated risks.
    
    Anyway if she sold two properties and reshuffled the debt – 60% equity and 40% loan – she would have three properties that looked after themselves with no tax to pay. Capital gain would not be as spectacular, but ….
    
    And the tax happens in four years time anyway … so the rent will be going up in anticipation of changes expected over the next few years. All fair enough I guess.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:39pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Just working the sums backwards ….
      
      Loss of interest deductibility will cost her $25k. So if her tax rate is 33%, her interest bill is about $75k. At an interest rate of 3% that means her borrowings are about $2m give or take a bit. At 60% LVR that makes her total portfolio worth about $3m. Sounds about right for five rentals – give or take a bit.
      
      It is hard to imagine that the annual cap gain on this lot (normal 5-6% per year growth) would be much less than $150k.
      
      Basically the rules are changing over the next few years and now – if she just wants to have an investment that “washes its face” – she is a bit overgeared. She can deleverage a bit to make it happen or raise the rent by $150/week on each rental. She might as well do that now as later – why would you delay?
      
      Go figure. Not complicated.
      
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      December 8, 2020 3:09pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Agreed that that is the rational capitalist choice.
      
      But it’s also a massive distortion to our national capital allocation. A broad-based capital gains tax, set at a relatively low level like 15% or so, and offset with reductions in income tax, would help our economy. Politicians won’t touch that third rail, but the economics of it are simple.
      
      That said, as fewer and fewer property owners capture more and more gain at the expense of ever larger numbers of renters then the political pressure is going to increase.
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:31pm
      - peterwn
        
        I would go along with CGT as long as the inflation component of the gain is nor taxed, and as long as gains are not subject to tax (currently gains on USA and other foreign shares, gold, bitcoin and anything else where IRD thinks there was an intention to purchase for resale).
        
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        April 8, 2021 3:58pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    I havent read anywhere what the capital gain is that this woman is sitting on. OF course its a good time to sell. Peak property prices and before the brightline test is extended.
    
    I always wonder how journos dig this stuff up.
    
    Did the son or the landlord tip off the journo.??
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:54pm
    - MCos
      
      The journo doesn’t ‘dig this stuff up’. Someone initiated the contact, to be sure. Seeing as the article was slanted in favour of the property owner I would suggest she certainly had her say when given the opportunity.
      
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      April 8, 2021 1:34pm
    - peterwn
      
      That capital gain is beside the point. She is doing exactly what Jacinda and Robbo want people in her situation to do – sell up and get out. She cannot be criticised for selling up, which ever way it is looked at.
      
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      April 8, 2021 4:03pm
PeeJay

Overheard a conversation yesterday between a two staff members, man and woman, in the mitre 10 garden area. The woman notes that someone hadn’t done something they were supposed to – guy responds with a ‘well he was too definitive wasn’t he’. Brilliant! Couldn’t stop myself letting out a little chuckle. Woman then laughs and says ‘You have to wonder how long it’ll be before some scumbag is up in court and uses too definitive as an excuse?’. Again I laughed!

Well done Grant – your lies and pathetic excuse are now a real world meme!
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April 8, 2021 8:17am
Maggy Wassilieff

Mental Health services in NZ are crashing
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300271651/wait-times-for-youth-mental-health-services-balloon-out-under-labour-despite-huge-investment

How Andrew Little can believe that his Government is making good progress is laughable.
He admits that the Min of Health doesn’t have good data on wait times.

IT systems across the DHBs and the Ministry of Health are not adequately linked up, so the Ministry does not carry out its own collection of data,” Little said.

And with such lousy IT services how will the Min of Health be able to measure the success or otherwise of its $1.9Bn investment in Mental Health?
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April 8, 2021 8:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘how will the Min of Health be able to measure the success or otherwise of its $1.9Bn investment in Mental Health’
  
  Feelz.
  
  Do you have another government performance related question? I am here to help . . . .
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:27am
- Swifty
  
  A teenage relative of mine, in Auckland, waits months in between mental health appointments – she had another ‘self-harm’ episode this week on Tuesday afternoon and they can fit her in, as an emergency case, in about 10 days time.
  
  Not good enough.
  
  Are we at the stage now to be able to voice the statement that this government stuffs up everything it touches?
  
  Does anyone know any key performance measures that have actually improved under Labour and the Greens?
  
  Are there any?
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    The one that matters:
    
    #CinD4UN!’s chances are getting better, especially now she’s shown her colours to China.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:53pm
- Hacked-Off
  
  Well it did not seem to be a problem under National to do so, so what changed. Is it the Government of the system? Personally I think it is the Government and the ‘IT data collection system interoperability problems’ are just an excuse not to release the appalling results unleashed by their own incompetence.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:32am
- Janabelle
  
  It’s not just Mental Health services that have long wait times, it’s right across the health sector. Cardiologist wants me to have angiogram [stents need looking at] and the wait time at Waitakere Health is 4 to 6 months, got letter from them other day apologizing for longer than usual waiting time and included useful tips if my symptoms worsen – very helpful
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:09am
  - cmm
    
    A lot of these backlogs were created by shutting down hospital services during the lockdown.
    
    Services get triaged and anyone considered lower risk will be pushed out significantly.
    
    I got bumped 4 months waiting for a treadmill test which takes less than half an hour and doesn’t need specialists (other than 3 minutes to review afterwards).. When I finally caught up with the cardiologist he was chewing his arm off in anger over the way things had been handled.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:57pm
    - Ehlana
      
      And why did we shut down hospital services? Did we not trust the hospitals to manage their own workloads (defer people if increasing covid cases made it necessary, but otherwise carry on as normal)? Or did we think the cancers, etc. would stop growing during lockdown?
      
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      April 8, 2021 4:54pm
      - sooty
        
        We have one public, one private hospital here.
        They both shut down to handle their share of the 80,000 deaths, that rolled in the door.
        Could have kept one open and working.
        
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        April 8, 2021 5:41pm
  - Paulus
    
    A few short years ago I got angiogram done in 48 hours at Tauranga (delayed due to weekend until Monday morning)
    First Class hospital in every respect but have had no reason recently to use.
    
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    April 8, 2021 3:18pm
- cmm
  
  They count the spending as the success, not the actual outcomes.
  
  They don’t need any linked-up IT/monitoring systems for that.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:26am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yep, and it means you don’t have to worry about pesky targets either – you can’t manage what you don’t measure.
    
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    April 8, 2021 9:52am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes you are right, look how successful that Pike River thing was!!!
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:07am
    - cmm
      
      It’s looking like Pike River is going to be even more successful – more money is going to be spent on it.
      
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      April 8, 2021 1:51pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  By taxing rich pricks more.
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:12pm
rockape

I had a evening g&t session with my wife and in-laws last night. For back ground 3 of the 4 were in their mid seventies. The subject of hate came up. All 3 of us were poms from deprived parts of the uk . Me Glasgow and my wife and her parents from Hull.
The talk was generally around hate in its various forms and we agreed we have never in the past witnessed what we see now. The sad thing is most of it is manufactured. Yes in my Glasgow days Rangers supporters and Celtic supporters didn’t get on when drunk or at a match but the rest of the time they worked shoulder to shoulder.
Now look at little old NZ. The manufactured hate is amazing and getting worse. Maori are required to hate the white colonialists: women are required to hate men for being likely to be rapists; lesbians hate men in frocks; tenants hate landlords and anyone who owns a house; workers hate their rich prick bosses who give them jobs; the poor hate the rich; and the parties on the left hate everyone who votes for parties on the right.
My worry is how this ends and I am just pleased to know that at 74 I am unlikely to be around for the anarchy that will sometime engulf us. It’s not just an NZ problem but it certainly is obvious here. So much hate, so small a country, bit sad really.
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April 8, 2021 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s the divide and conquer strategy being run by our “concerned” social justice warriors/aka middle-class elites.
  
  It’s a strategy that has worked well all through history.
  
  Not so long ago our fathers fought for a different strategy where folks could live as one people and be subject to the same laws as each other.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nsYWEPPCS0
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:46am
  - Mike
    
    That’s quite a rosy view of why folks went to war.
    
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    April 8, 2021 9:54am
  - SB2
    
    MW, what makes you think that the dour, glowing nostalgic past is so different today?
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Still stalking me, SB2?
      
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      April 8, 2021 12:31pm
  - Bob
    
    Not so long ago our fathers fought for…..
    hasn’t the white colonial past got a lot to answer for; fancy believing that life would be so much better if we were all allowed to make our own decisions !!
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:19am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Exactly.
    Also “Take away the common enemy and all you get is Chaos” through perceived disparities and hidden agendas.
    
    The trouble with all this is it only works if YOU believe in it and for some it is the easy solution unfortunately.
    
    Preying on the unconscious Bias that is ever present if at times dormant.
    
    Basically a sign of weakness and disillusionment and preyed upon by this Government.
    
    They are the ones with Mental Health issues that propose this form of propaganda.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:36am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Look at the USA. The left have been creating divisions for a few decades now, and the whole nation is polarised. The left lie, support looters & rioters and blame the right – particularly Trump.
    That’s where we are headed within 10 years. I’m 79 next month, and I’ll work to try to offset this outcome, but I’ll probably die in the process.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Do you date this decline back to any particular events, Don?
      Introduction of oral contraception?
      Civil Rights Act?
      Vietnam War?
      Roe vs Wade?
      Watergate?
      
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      April 8, 2021 11:34am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The rise of google and the consequent abandonment of neutrality by media in favour of partisan propagandising as they chased clicks – with inevitable ramping up of mistrust and division .
        
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        April 8, 2021 12:12pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        The introduction of the welfare state (Johnsons war on Poverty).
        It marked the end of personal responsibility.
        
        I am not against catering for those who fall thru the cracks and HELPS them back up.
        
        But just dishing out money without a requirement for responsibility turns people in to welfare slaves(lookup the stats on those reliant on and staying on welfare)
        
        Work and a sense of self worth are a great way to address welfare-ism. That means stopping most of the lefts government interference in everyone’s lives.
        
        Increasing minimum wages does not solve the problem.
        Controls on housing do not work.
        I am sure everyone reading this can think of many examples where government interference is a negative not a positive in solving problems.
        
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        April 8, 2021 1:06pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh, the dropping of the fairness doctrine and the rise of Fox News?
        
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        April 8, 2021 1:30pm
      - MCos
        
        Google rose to power after WTC bombing.
        In NZ the Rob Muldoon was probably the most divisive force in our society and the exact moment was the Dancing Cossack campaign ad when he labeled the government as communists. Very effectively too!
        Curiously his administration proved to be more socialist than the one it replaced or any since, by far.
        I would suggest because MMP has given minor parties, which tend to be more intense, seats in parliament, the main two parties have come closer together.
        We don’t have violent political protests as some other countries do.
        
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        April 8, 2021 2:08pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Facebook, cellphones, boiled chocolate fish, melanin, vaping, Windows 10, Fauci, Irish dancing, Amazon, Clorox, PayPal…
        
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        April 8, 2021 2:29pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @oldbloke
        
        I think you missed your century. Life in the late 1800’s pretty much lined up with what you endorse.
        
        Conditions that eventually spawned things like unions and basic welfare and stuff in reaction to the policies you espouse.
        
        stopping most of the lefts government interference
        
        Yep. Start with the big ones. Bye bye pensions ….
        
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        April 8, 2021 2:47pm
  - rockape
    
    I did the same , Northern Ireland, Cyprus keeping Turks and Greek apart. Missed Bosnia by a hairsbreadth . so people still fighting to keep haters apart.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:18pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Am hearing ya Rockape.
  But, am thinking a lot of this hate is politically motivated by activists and enabled by a generally lazy and soft media.
  In real life, especially out of the “look at me, I’m special’ circles in many of our big urban areas, life goes on.
  People get up every morning and go to work as normal and enjoy other activities in the weekend.
  It is the politicians and their media (especially on Twitter and similar) who are driving the hate in an effort to cling on to power and manipulate the people.
  Out here most of us don’t buy into it.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:47am
  - rockape
    
    Much of it came from unions because uniting in hatred of foreigners stealing jobs. Or bosses abusing workers was their only power. It’s spread into so many aspects of life sadly. Got a cause, learn to hate and encourage others to hat3 as well.
    
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    April 8, 2021 9:57am
- tf78
  
  rockape, sorry to add to your misery but Muriel Newman’s newsletter of today will make you feel very, very worried.
  [email protected]
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:02am
- surfing
  
  Listen to the Joe Rogan podcast and the same is happening in the US. The left/right used to be tolerant of each other.
  
  But now people genuinely believe their lives are going to disintegrate if the other side wins. Entirely false, but social media drives this wedge between the political divides.
  
  World didn’t fall apart under Obama, or Trump, nor will it under Biden. Unless people think themselves into it.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:07am
- kowtow
  
  Neo Marxism .
  
  The commies realsied they couln’t destroy the west ( capitalism) through classical class warfare , so they’ve switched the front to the social/cultural ; that’s why identity politics have come to the fore.
  
  Every time a sportsman ‘takes a knee’ , every time a weather girl uses Maori instead of English place names , every time your bank , govt , power provider throws you a Kia Ora , they are engaging in the new “united Front ” , if they do so knowingly they are out to steal your unearned/ undeserved wealth , if they do it uncritically , they are part of Lenin’s useful idiots.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:42am
  - SB2
    
    Like you one of Trump’s useful idiots?
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  Throw into that fruit salad how much of the hate can be sheeted home to a Govt’s actions, policies and failures in this country?
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:59am
- alloytoo
  
  Who do white males get to hate?
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:19am
  - rockape
    
    Themselves apparently!
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:19pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    White males are meant to become self loathing and hate themselves . . .
    
    I am a white bene elder and rather than hate myself, I just work on the ‘whuk ’em’ principle . . .
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:42pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Themselves. I believe there are courses for white folks to get in touch with their inner monster/self-hate. In some places, attendance is even compulsory.
    
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    April 8, 2021 2:15pm
- Paulus
  
  I am in my 83 year and am saddened by what you say.
  It is probable that I will not be around to vote her out but expect that her wonder women will give her an overwhelming tick again- wish I could vote by proxy.
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:01am
Maggie Pie

Ricardo calls Police Dogs ‘attack dogs’ and asks if they’re racist.

My partner was wondering if they’re partial to Mexican?

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1379748086445174785
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April 8, 2021 8:28am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  This knob is so single dimensional. He has one mode of attack – “phobic”. Be it racist, sexist, anti-queer, its all he has.
  
  I thought gay people had better imaginations than that?
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:37am
- Ehlana
  
  Yes, but what do Police dogs call Ricardo?
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:23am
  - Ed Snack
    
    They call him “rough”.
    
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    April 8, 2021 11:32am
  - Nickc2
    
    A Mexican Appetizer?
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:16pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Still trying to work out how hes in the country still.
  
  As for me 3 months over contract keeping supply lines open as an Key Worker.
  
  Please sign this petition if you believe seafarers are key workers
  
  https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-ardern-nz-govt-allow-kiwi-seafarers-priority-access-to-miq-rooms?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=custom_url&recruited_by_id=eb0ebaa0-963b-11eb-99a5-99ff07864b1e
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:26am
  - Ehlana
    
    Happily signed up. Still can’t believe this is actually an issue. We’re an island nation, for goodness sake. How do they think stuff gets here?
    
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    April 8, 2021 11:56am
  - oldfella
    
    Happy to sign it, MM. I have a good friend with a merchant and RNZN background and he tells me similar stories.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:11pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thanks Ladies and Gents. Been an ongoing saga for 6 months now with not following International conventions.
    
    Complaints laid against NZ with International Maritime Organisation and International Labour Organisation which are asking NZ to clarify having ratified.
    
    OIA requests to MBIE, MOH, Mfat, Maritime NZ, and all Government ministers including most MP’s. Complaint investigating currently with Ombudsman ( Finally).
    
    FWIW there are 100’s in same predicament working abroad as Seafarers. We are all in the same Boat ( pun intended).
    
    As stated previously, If i followed MIQ recommendations under Emg 2c Voucher I would of been detained in Myanmar. It took them to 7 days to respond and was declined anyway. Definately not the place or timing to be detained.
    
    Really at a loss for words due to total Negligence by Government inactions.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:39pm
  - curry4me
    
    Master Mariner: Signed, and sent to FB.
    
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    April 8, 2021 4:02pm
kowtow

stuff reports Maoris are more victimised by crime than the rest of us.

OK , but there’s no reporting of just who is committing all this crime.

If the Media Pardy want us to trust them , then their stories must include critical information.

Pigs will fly.
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April 8, 2021 8:32am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Yes, I heard the blurb ‘Maori suffer more from crime’.
  Some expert then ended the radio segment with “we can only conclude this is because they are Maori”.
  Implication – the white supremacist system, again.
  
  However, I live in a former state house and near many current ‘Kainga Ora’ dwellings, and the reason Maori suffer more is pretty obvious.
  There is a visible MM presence about, and there are certain types who party, and lose their shit, and it is monotonously consistent who is screaming on the street at 1am “F–k you, B—itch!” and “Fuck you, C–t” rejoinders going back and forth.
  My elderly Maori neighbours have been here since the 1960s and said to me 10 years ago, ‘there is lot of trouble on the streets, and we don’t get involved’.
  And I have to think of a Maori workmate in another rough area (where police today are looking at houses where gunshots were reported in the wee hours), after they were robbed, and they say to me: {quote} “Bloody Maoris!”.
  Of course I said to them…..”Dat’s Waaaacist!” {sarc}.
  Yes, Maori do suffer more from crime. I can believe it.
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Shouldn’t the Stuffed Up report have said that Maori victimised more people by their crimes than the rest of the community? That would follow from gangs and jail stats.
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder who demanded that the Government start listening to its top Epidemiologists
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/440019/covid-19-govt-sets-up-scientist-group-to-advise-on-vaccine-rollout-border-changes

Was it Dr Verrall?

And why wasn’t this group in place one year ago?
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April 8, 2021 8:33am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Notice Prof Micheal Baker not in the group though. Wonder if he’s off the party invite list due to some of his criticisms lately.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m sure Prof Baker and Prof Nick Wilson will have lines through to Sir David Skegg.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:41pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      But is Skegg intellectually sound with integrity?
      A govt in a nest of sycophants does not function well.
      They’ve lost their executive ability. All hui–no doi.
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:41pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      True – lot of OU ac’s in the group. Could have asked Gorman to get a bit more AKL balance.
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:46pm
- Tricati
  
  I see the scare monger-er Shaun Hendy still has his nose in the trough as an ‘advisor’.
  Can’t see David Skegg or David Murdoch taking to much heed from Hendy and his crap modelling.
  
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  April 8, 2021 8:52am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Easy to alter statistics as opposed to bend Facts.
    
    There all Answered Tricati
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  I think it may have been Prof Des Gorman. What the Govt is currently doing (groups of experts etc) is pretty much along the lines of what the above-mentioned was advocating in Leighton Smith’s Podcast 105. If you haven’t heard it, here’s the link.
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/the-leighton-smith-podcast/?utm_source=edm&utm_campaign=CE-ZB-NL-EDM&utm_medium
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:15am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Should almost be a compulsory curriculum listen.
    
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    April 8, 2021 2:28pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Couldn’t agree more. I liked it, no PC, no BS, tell it like it is, warts and all.
      It certainly didn’t show the current Govt in a good light.
      I think he explained away the Govt in fancy words that clearly meant amature.
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:57pm
- NoFax
  
  Unfortunately, it has Shuan “80,00 deaths” Hendy on it as a special adviser. What a joke.
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:16am
- SB2
  
  MW , who says they wern’t and do you have a beef with epidemiologist Professor Sir David Skegg?
  
  The pre-existing Covid 19b Technical advisory,
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/about-ministry/leadership-ministry/expert-groups/covid-19-technical-advisory-group
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do You have a comprehension problem?
    
    I think you must have.
    
    If you had been reading my posts on this blog for the last year carefully.. you would have noticed that I hold NZ’s public health epidemiologists in high regard..as well as some from Hong Kong and Taiwan.
    
    But perhaps you don’t read my posts carefully and you just take each of my posts as an opportunity to place a smear against me or post some personal abuse or a nasty lie.
    
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    April 8, 2021 2:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Did you ever watch the proceedings of the Epidemic Response Committee last year, SB2?
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/history-and-buildings/special-topics/epidemic-response-committee-covid-19-2020/
    
    did you read this Kiwiblog Post?
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/04/everyones_wrong_except_the_pm.html
    
    Ardern also pushed back on comments by Epidemiologist Sir David Skegg, who said if New Zealand had reached the gold standard of contact tracing, the country would be able to come out of alert level 4 now.
    
    It has taken Jacinda and her kind government 1 year to realise that Simon Bridges was on to it long before they could admit he was right.
    
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    April 8, 2021 2:52pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Advisors are so challenging: they can talk privately to a govt but have to keep their mouths closed in public.
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:37pm
Monique Watson

Here is the California data site for Covid vaccinations.

https://covid19.ca.gov/

More transparent than NZ. I’ll post it below too.
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April 8, 2021 8:33am
igm

Is this abuse of judiciary power and ideology or what?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300271597/older-people-living-in-state-of-siege-after-brutal-home-invasion
Seems there is definite immunity for a specific group in society.
These penalties suck!
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April 8, 2021 8:36am
I remember when

Interesting letter in the Gisborne Herald about possibilty of use of ‘perpetual leasehold’ to help reduce house prices for first home buyers.
Argument being that the price of the land is such a big percentage of the price.
While there are obvious difficulties in coming up with a workable scheme, does it point to an area worth investigating.
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April 8, 2021 8:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Perpetual leasehold–> perpetual increasing rents.
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:44pm
graham

Someone messaged Kate Hawkesby around 5:52-ish this morning re the Hamilton to Auckland train.

Standing on the platform, ready to catch the train, and they counted a grand total of … six passengers. There were almost TWICE as many staff!! Eight Kiwirail staff and three Council security staff.

Of course, this is anecdotal and does beg some questions – for example, based on the time and the published timetable I assume this person was waiting at Rotokauri station (the second stop), so I wonder if it was six passengers waiting to catch the train at Rotokauri, and how many people had already got on at Frankton.

Suffice to say, I shall listen for further updates over the coming weeks with interest.
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April 8, 2021 8:40am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Cindy said patronage will pick up over time and Sheeple trust Cindy. So zip it bro.
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:15pm
- MCos
  
  Years ago I was living in Bangkok when the first Skytrain opened and later on when the Airport Link opened. In both cases it was a long time before commuters would park their cars and catch the train, but patronage slowly built up & now it’s sometimes difficult to get onto the platforms let alone into a carriage.
  I’m not suggesting the WaikatoWanderer will be standing room only in a year or two, but a few days in is way too soon to gleefully write the obituary.
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:29pm
Steve Todd

Here’s a non-believer’s view of Matt Gaetz: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2021/04/06/matt-gaetz-nobodys-even-surprised/?

Well worth reading.
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April 8, 2021 8:42am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s always hilarious watching religious fundy nut-jobs trading insults. It’s like they’re trying to outdo each other with their use of links, italics and bold – all a bit shouty for me.
  
  Arguing over who has the better imaginary friend, or even which version of the same friend has a mortgage on truth, has always seemed pretty pointless to me.
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:02am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Cassidy McGillicuddy (Captain Cassidy) is a ‘None’, having de-converted 25 years ago.
    
    Most of the bold type are links to her sources.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:33am
    - Don Beckett
      
      A load of bollocks !!
      
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      April 8, 2021 10:41am
      - Nickc2
        
        Couldn’t agree more!
        
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        April 8, 2021 10:43am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Are you a Matt Gaetz supporter, Don?
        
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        April 8, 2021 10:53am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Don probably believes Gaetz’s story that he was working to uncover the pedophiles…
        
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        April 8, 2021 11:36am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Sorry, dozing off and reported in error, my apologies
      
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      April 8, 2021 11:03pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Apology accepted, Paulus.
        
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        April 9, 2021 8:50am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Last time I was in Paris would be nearly 17 years ago.
And after reading this, probably wont be rushing back anyway 🙁
What did occur to me though, if you were to swap the city of ‘Paris’ for Auckland, and ‘Mayor Anne Hidalgo’ for our own Phil Goff…..this could very well be a local story. Just saying.

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1379338081732493315
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April 8, 2021 8:51am
- big bruv
  
  Refugees welcome here!
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    Are you advocating for Refugees in Paris or Refugees from Paris? You wouldn’t want Refugees in Paris that’s for sure.
    
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    April 8, 2021 11:52am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s what happens when all of the illegals decide to flee back to Africa in these Covid times leaving all their crap behind.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:17am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I was in Paris is 2009 and it was a shit hole then. Dog turds here there and everywhere.
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:27am
  - Nickc2
    
    I lived there in 2007 (Rue Saint-Denis) and it was a dirty smelly shit hole then. Going to work in the mornings (Cergy Prefecture) on the train, the only white guy was moi. I was advised not to look at any of the other passengers as they would slit moi throat at the drop of a hat and the Gendarmerie wouldn’t lift a finger.
    Apart from that, it wasn’t too bad. The use of someone else’s cheque-book would have been nice as its bloody expensive the live there.
    
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    April 8, 2021 12:07pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Was in Paris 18 months ago. Lived there 20 years ago for 2 years. Utterly different place, I wouldn’t bother going back. Lyon much nicer, but still some places I wouldn’t wander, even though I’m reasonably fluent and a big lad.
  
  Pity. Used to be a wonderful restaurant in the 13th (I think from memory) called Boucherie. Literally a butchers where you chose from the carcass, the butcher did his work, handed you the cut, you wandered over to chef, discussed options and magic happened. A vegans nightmare. Loved it.
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:07am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MP, this link suggest your post is largely nonsense,
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56650305
  
  And in what way has Goff’s Auckland become a garbage heap with the possible exception of Remuera?
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:29am
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I cannot read some of nz heralds stories now.

Too many maori words I do not know.

Ideally, they’d have two articles, one in english, one in maori. This mismash is terrible.
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April 8, 2021 8:56am
- PeeJay
  
  I seemed to read someone called surfing almost alleging I was an out of date racist when I posted something very similar on GD yesterday.
  
  Must have read your reply in the wrong way yesterday and you are not a hypocrite.
  
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  April 8, 2021 3:10pm
Swifty

What an absolute dog’s breakfast of an article.

Is this really how far we’ve sunk in analysing information? What planet has Tim Hampton been living on? Has he just crawled out from under a rock?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300271526/just-being-mori-means-youre-more-likely-to-be-crime-victim–ministry-of-justice-study

“We read a lot on the media, and see it on television, about Māori as being the perpetrators of crime. This survey’s really interesting because it looks at Māori as the victims of crime.”

“The remaining difference though, the survey can’t point a finger to anything, except for the fact that they’re Māori, and again, that’s quite telling in and of itself … part of the reason why we see more victimisation appears to be that fact that just being Māori increases the likelihood of being a victim of crime.”

(It’ll be those roaming groups of Chinese, or Koreans, or the Welsh, or Scots venturing into Maori communities by the van-load and terrorising the Maori populace! 🙂 )

No, no, no.

Maori don’t experience increased crime levels because they’re Maori, per se, they experience increased crime levels because they live around other (certain) Maori.

Everywhere in the world peoples who are over-represented in committing crimes victimise their own communities more than other communities.

It is exactly the same in the States – African-Americans suffer more crime proportionate to other communities – and with the majority of the offenders being African-American.

Please don’t get me wrong – the great majority of Maori are decent, law-abiding people just like the rest of us – but within Maoridom there is a small but growing minority who fuck it up for everyone else – and with other Maori being the hardest hit.

We’ve known this for decades. I ask again, where has Tim Hampton been that he thinks this is something new he has discovered?
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April 8, 2021 9:09am
Black Propaganda

I noticed recently in the news that you can now adopt a native Kiataia dog. The Northland Regional Council in partnership with DOC and the local Iwi are administrating the adoption scheme. During the period of the round-up of the dogs for adoption, a large portion of the Western side of Northland will be closed off to the general public. Currently, there is a proposal to form a trust to be called the Kaitaia Wild Dog Trust to streamline the population control required to ensure the long-term protection of this unique breed of dog.
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April 8, 2021 9:16am
70andstilllearning

At times you really have to laugh at how the MSM try to spin the same thing:
RNZ
POLITICS COVID-195:20 am today
Covid-19: Govt sets up scientist group to advise on vaccine rollout, border changes

$TUFFED
Covid-19: Cabinet shoulder-taps experts to determine New Zealand’s ‘post-vaccination future’
Thomas Manch
05:00, Apr 08 2021
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April 8, 2021 9:16am
I remember when

MV Saviz, an Iranian ship believed to be a base for the Revolutionary Guard, anchored in the Red Sea off Yemen, has been attacked.
Iran’s Tasnim news agency, reported a limpet mine had been attached to the hull and caused the blast.
Iran’s Foreign Ministry confirmed the attack believed to have been carried out by Israeli forces.
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April 8, 2021 9:24am
- virtualmark
  
  Lots of countries looking to derail the new discussions between Iran and the JCPOA countries that are happening in Vienna right now.
  
  So maybe it was the Israelis. But maybe it was the Saudis. Or the UAE. Or the Egyptians. Or the Turks. Or …
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:35pm
Maggie Pie

CNN…

Psaki: “Some are calling for a larger package”

LOL!!!!
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April 8, 2021 9:26am
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 12.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this week’s episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, Wall Street, $oros, and Burisma.
Will Dr Jill make any more Spanish language gaffes? Who will Major bite next? Will Dr Jill carry a pooper scooper now? Or will ‘VP’ Harris do that? Will everyone need a rabies shot? Can ‘Dr Jill’ administer them? Will Major be demoted to captain? Will Jen Psaki circle forward? Is that even possible? How many US jobs will Beijing Biden outsource this week? Will his ‘administration’ provide coyotes with ladders so children can easily be put over the wall? Which states will follow Georgia, and Texas with election protection laws? Will their citizens care if the wokerati boycott them? Will Beijing Biden stop the CCP in Burma? Will ‘peoplekind’ Justin? Will Hunter remember the stripper and kid this week? Will she get alimony? Will it be enough so she can quit stripping? Will the border crisis cause a CCP virus surge?. Will the MSM blame President Trump? Will the ‘administration’ continue with catch and bus to red states? Will Beijing Biden finish President Trumps’ wall? Will the SJWs denounce it as ‘raycist’? Will they need a trip to their safe space? Will his poll rating stay submerged? Has ‘Dr Jill’ watched Pimps Up, Ho’s Down? Stay tuned folks.
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April 8, 2021 9:40am
Maggie Pie

Positive Covid cases for today: 19

15 @ Crowne Plaza (all off EK448) India?
1 @ Novotel
3 @ Jet Park

#NZPol
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April 8, 2021 9:40am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  This might sound like a question which is so obvious that everyone is avoiding the answer.
  Why are we still allowing people in from India and when will we put a stop to it?
  
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  April 8, 2021 9:47am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    It suggests that they aren’t allowed to stop the flow of third worlders, even if they wanted to. You’d think a “global pandemic” of all things, with all of the hideous expense the government’s draconian responses have racked up, would be a good reason. Clearly not.
    
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    April 8, 2021 9:56am
    - Tall Man
      
      There’s only “hideous expense” if you pay the bill ……..
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:11pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      A year or more after Winston Peters told Kiwis they should return home, how is it that a steady flow of apparent NZ citizens can still be coming back from India? Surely what’s happening is people are stupidly flying out to a high-Covid country (against Government travel advice) to see their relatives and consequently putting MIQ under pressure upon their return. If they can’t block NZ Citizens from returning, maybe they should simply stop them flying out to high risk countries. Australia does it, Australian citizens can’t fly anywhere
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Narendra: “Sorry to burst your bubble”
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:11am
  - Prince
    
    I’d be interested to know how so many are ‘NZ citizens’.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:20am
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    Captain Mainwaring, those coming from India like other countries are most likely NZ Citizens.
    
    DUH!
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:31am
  - David Garrett
    
    Capt: Excellent questions…and the answers are: 1) “all ‘kiwis’ must be treated equally no matter how they obtained their citizenship (and even if they don’t noirmally live here”; and 2) It won’t stop, even if there are more break outs from MIQ by ‘kiwis’ from India.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:56am
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      “kiwis’ from India”??
      
      Nice piece of racial/ ethnic profiling there, DG. As if kiwis have to be persil white as white.
      
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      April 8, 2021 12:11pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ashley Bloomfield was puzzled as to how folks who test negative back in their hometowns in India test positive when they arrive in NZ.
    
    He finally twigged that with all the waiting around and time taken for folks to get to Mumbai Airport… they might have picked up the virus.
    
    Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
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    April 8, 2021 11:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here’s the research paper behind this self-evident finding.
      
      That 3 passengers had positive test results on day 3 of their 14-day quarantine period indicates some of the complexities of determining the value of predeparture testing, including the modality and timing of any such testing. Although not definitive, these findings underscore the value of considering all international passengers arriving in New Zealand as being potentially infected with SARS-CoV-2, even if predeparture testing was undertaken, social distancing and spacing were followed, and personal protective equipment was used in-flight.
      
      https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4714_article
      
      Seems that 2 were already infected when they boarded the plane
      4 were infected in-flight
      and
      1 was infected in MIQ.
      
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      April 8, 2021 11:27am
      - SB2
        
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        MW, MW, a reminder to also update your Melbourne” watch”.
        
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        April 8, 2021 12:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        MW, a reminder to also update your Melbourne” watch”.
        
        What has this got to do with positive Covid cases arriving in NZ SB2?
        
        Yet another case of you stalking me.
        
        Can’t you post on a topic without getting into a personal slime-pit?
        
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        April 8, 2021 12:48pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggy: Or rather more likely, the “negative” tests were fraudulent in the first place. Perhaps you have never lived in a third world country??
      
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      April 8, 2021 11:29am
      - OTGO
        
        No I haven’t either but we’re getting there
        
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        April 8, 2021 11:42am
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        DG, do you also consider who were wearing the hijabs?
        
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        April 8, 2021 12:15pm
      - cmm
        
        Quite.
        
        A fake university degree is going to be harder to make than a fake CV19 test and those have been going on forever.
        
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        April 8, 2021 1:40pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        SB2 – Is a hijab a vaccination shot in the upper arms?
        
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        April 8, 2021 1:52pm
      - rangitoto
        
        A fake negative test result costs about 80 pounds in the UK. A lot cheaper in India.
        
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        April 8, 2021 2:22pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggy, I understand in India just about anything can be bought, even ‘clearances’.
      
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      April 8, 2021 11:32am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The virus is self revealing in the COVID test procedures. It’s set to keep out negativity. Even the WHO has had to disown it.
      
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      April 8, 2021 2:52pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Jacinda has read your post…
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300272274/covid19-temporary-ban-on-arrivals-from-india-to-curb-case-numbers-in-miq
    
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    April 8, 2021 3:38pm
- Yabster
  
  but the have all had legit covid tests before getting on the flight- yeah right
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:10am
- SB2
  
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  MP, where did you get your racial/ ethnic profile kit from? Amazon, Ebay, Alibaba etc?
  
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  April 8, 2021 10:33am
  - rockape
    
    Seems the PM is banning based on ethnicity, is she a Racist?
    
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    April 8, 2021 5:31pm
I remember when

Easter Road Toll 8:
How can this be.
We have, and are, witnessing one of the great reductions of speed limits countrywide.
Every time you travel somewhere, you watch on your return journey in case limits have been lowered while you were away.
Speed has again been highlighted as a reason for many of the accidents.
Just two points.
For those grossly exceeding the speed limit – the limit is immaterial.
How many were because people were trying to make up time, because limits were reduced earlier in the journey.
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April 8, 2021 9:45am
doggone7

The other day David Farrar posted a most appropriate, human response to the news of Kiri Allen’s illness.

He began “Kia kaha Kiri.” One person replied, “I stopped reading after the first two words.”

I’m not sure if there were really ‘good old days’ but if the levels of bitterness evident are any indication there are unlikely to be good new days.
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April 8, 2021 10:02am
- doublehappy
  
  In this case I’m very happy to see Maori words used to wish someone well. This does not excuse the weather girl using words that are not wanted by most NZ people. In both cases I don’t know what they mean. The first case I appreciate it is in good intent. On the other hand the weather girl is part of this government’s stealth way of putting apatite in place in NZ.
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  There is a strong kickback now against the token use of Maori in English. Activism goes both ways.
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:56pm
- Biscuit
  
  Aw c’mon, doggone.
  
  Kia Kaha is a brilliant phrase.
  
  English has a great history of borrowing words from other languages and adopting them as its own.
  
  It’s one of the major reasons what it is flourishing worldwide and why, for example, French is stagnating…
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:19pm
Close Hen Counters

Tiny question – to travel to Australia now bubble burst, do you have to be fully vaccinated? Is that the same requirement for Australians travelling to NZ? We are still waiting to be vaccinated as front line hospital staff and must be further up the queue than others??
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April 8, 2021 10:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No, we don’t need the Covid vaccination to travel to Australia… we’ve been able to enter Australia without quarantining for months now.
  
  Do you have to have a COVID vaccine?
  No, you don’t have to have one to travel to New Zealand or to come back to Australia.
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/new-zealand-covid-quarantine-free-travel-bubble-australia/100050572
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:57pm
JimBobJoe

Firearms laws changed. Registered owners required to give up previously legal weapons.

But a constant stream of shootings are reported by the media …… Hmm did crimminals not give up their weapons? Who would have thought!

Its getting even more like the wild west out there

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hamilton-suburb-of-maeroa-woken-by-gunshots/SLWGLQHWZ6QHPLVYKQLKOSZMWI/
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April 8, 2021 10:21am
mikenmildagain

An interesting item in the Trans Tasmannewsletter today, summing up National’s performers and non-performers:

some of its MPs are standing out, while others are missing in action…
Chris Bishop is certainly making a mark, but he should be – he is the party’s Covid-19 Response spokesman…but he has also been heavily involved in one of National’s major distractions – trying to get rid of Speaker Trevor Mallard. It is not going to happen, and it is wasting a lot of National’s time and effort.
…Simeon Brown has been good on police and corrections issues…without landing any telling blows.
…the mystery has been the lack of strong output from the two handed finance team of Shadow Treasurer Andrew Bayly and Shadow Finance spokesman Michael Woodhouse. ..The fact the economy is performing much better than many anticipated isn’t giving them much ammunition, but we are hearing very little alternative finance policy.
…Louise Upston and Todd McLay have also been fairly quiet for MPs with high rankings and important responsibilities…both of them have been short on policy alternatives…Simon Bridges has been noisy and combative, but seemingly for his own ends, not the party’s, while other senior MPs…appear not to be overly interested – the likes of Gerry Brownlee, Paul Goldsmith and Nick Smith…National is not really gaining ground on Labour, and its supporters must be wondering what the party is going to do to change its fortunes, aside from waiting for voters to eventually tire of Labour’s big Government approach. At this stage there’s not much sign of it.
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April 8, 2021 10:59am
- virtualmark
  
  I’ve been watching to see if National can manage any form of opposition. Been disappointed so far. It’s basically free-hit kind of territory for any organised opposition party but the Nats have been rubbish.
  
  The #1 problem the Nats face is the Nats. We have met the enemy … and they are us.
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:38pm
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    It seems to me that they are mainly focused on who will win the game of musical chairs and be leader at the time when Ardern retires. 2023? 2026?
    
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    April 8, 2021 3:26pm
  - curry4me
    
    virtualmark: ACT is the opposition now.
    
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    April 8, 2021 4:13pm
SB2

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Time to set the historical record straight. Scott Hamilton to the rescue.

All the things Michael Bassett got wrong in his noxious article

Bassett he tells us has made a number of false claims about NZ History by cherry picking and mis representing the past through the lenses of his so called credentials suggest .

An example is his false claim that Aotearoa, was only a recent creation. We learn however that the name Aotearoa is much, much older appearing in a song Governor Grey collected emblazoned on a flag in the Auckland War Memorial Museum from the Waikato wars. There were various other ways in which the name Aotearoa was in common usage outlined by Scott Hamilton.

The irony is that in the early colonial period it was Maoris who were described as New Zealanders by early settlers . Bassett suggests that New Zealand was the preferred name of the country but in the late 19th and early 20th century it was Maoriland that was the preferred name.

There is much more but an important reminder that Scott Hamilton’s analysis presents a much more complex picture regarding how we see ourselves including the name of our country.

Worth a careful and considered read

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/06-03-2021/all-the-things-michael-bassett-got-wrong-in-his-terrible-article/
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April 8, 2021 11:06am
- Yabster
  
  Scott Hamilton views and yours don’t represent the country though do they Steffie you are a leftist, woke, socialist outlier and I wouldn’t believe a word you or he writes-Hamilton, the man who picked on a hard working business owner # Bully Stays – which is an up you to Mr Hamilton
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:15pm
- oldfella
  
  Maoriland? Isn’t that Rotorua?
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:46pm
- oldfella
  
  I notice Scott Hamilton’s ‘rebuttal’ is not open to reader feedback. Wonder why?
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:53pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Relax, oldfella, there’s no left-wing conspiracy here. The article is more than a month old.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Not every media outlet believes that their offerings are improved by screeds of unhinged comments.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:28pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Indeed. In fact, I see there is provision to ‘Sign in’ to The Spinoff. It’s quite possible that members can comment among themselves, that being one of the privileges of membership.
      
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      April 8, 2021 3:14pm
  - SB2
    
    Yabster,” Scott Hamilton views and yours don’t represent the country?”
    
    I think going be the last general election you will be remarkably suprise!
    
    You can rebutt him on his blog Reading the Maps or on the Spinoff itseff .
    
    Focus on rebutting his arguments here and now on KB.
    
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    April 8, 2021 2:37pm
    - Yabster
      
      Huh just because people voted for labour doesn’t mean they have your view point at all – you make things up to suit your agenda all the time- telling me to focus on something?- go fuck yourself steffie you’re a little twit who hides behind his keyboard – ps I see your great leader has done the right thing and stopped people coming from India – one thing I actually agree with but if you’re consistent you should be calling her racist correct?
      
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      April 8, 2021 3:01pm
Maggie Pie

And have just done a quick drive-by along Upland Road.
Police cordon remains at address and STILL calling death…. ‘unexplained’.

Why don’t they just speak to some of the girls at tennis I wonder?
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April 8, 2021 11:06am
- SB2
  
  Why should they?
  
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  April 8, 2021 12:08pm
- virtualmark
  
  Do you think one of the girls is the perp?
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why is NZ’s cervical cancer rate so high?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300271679/with-majority-of-cervical-cancers-now-preventable-we-should-already-be-halfway-to-eradicating-it–but-were-not

Have your sons/grandsons had the Gardasil vaccination?

The most serious kinds of HPV have been vaccine-preventable since 2006, when Gardasil was licensed for use in the USA, and yet to this day almost one-third of teenage Kiwi girls remain unvaccinated.

Vaccination rates are even lower among boys.
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April 8, 2021 11:10am
- Ed Snack
  
  Have to say that I didn’t know that Gardisil was effective in men, so had no idea that it was offered.
  
  I think my sons had every vaccination going but that one was definitively not one of them. It’s against HPV isn’t it ? Is it know what proportion of those cancers are essentially caused by HPV ?
  
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  April 8, 2021 11:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think most cervical cancer results from an HPV infection.
    
    HPViruses survive in penises.
    
    https://www.healthline.com/health/sexually-transmitted-diseases/hpv-in-men
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:07pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      But for the vaccine to be effective in men it would have to be a proper infection, not a temporary contamination, no ? I mean, one isn’t immune to bacteria that colonise the skin and the immune system probably has no real way to interact with such.
      
      Men of course do get HPV, catching it through close encounters that do not have to include sexual intercourse. Not normally particularly problematic in males it seems, but vaccinating men would certainly help prevent the spread.
      
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      April 8, 2021 3:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Gardasil vaccination is offered to school children in Year 8 (Form 2)….presumably before they become sexually active
        (actually its free to 9 year-olds in NZ)
        https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/immunisation/hpv-immunisation-programme
        
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        April 8, 2021 8:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oxfam in another sexual exploitation scambo

Oxfam: UK halts funding over new sexual exploitation claims

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56670162
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April 8, 2021 11:15am
zulumonster

One wonders if Sergeant Burger realises the stupidity of his comments … a woman identifies her stolen e-bike being advertised and calls police for assistance in recovering it. They suggest she go and confirm it is her bike and then contact them to assist. She does that and makes an escape with the thief in hot pursuit, all the while she is trying to get the cops on the line to help.
Turns out the thief is known to police (surprise surprise) with a manslaughter conviction. So was Sergeant Burger suggesting they needed another crime to be committed before they could intervene?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/124700925/woman-chased-through-wellington-streets-after-attempting-to-retrieve-stolen-electric-bike-advertised-on-facebook
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April 8, 2021 11:21am
- surfing
  
  I wonder about police training sometimes.
  
  They must realise their inaction results in people getting frustrated and perhaps taking action themselves
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122177515/shots-fired-at-boy-racers-during-late-night-gathering-near-hamilton
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  April 8, 2021 2:05pm
Maggie Pie

Ghislaine Maxwell: “I was only following advice from Auckland Mayor”

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1379928243348910084
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April 8, 2021 11:29am
SB2

Why Scott Hamilton should be worried,

Australia news live update: Scott Morrison gives press conference amid concerns over AstraZeneca Covid vaccine and blood clots
Australian health authorities to consider EU regulator’s advice; UK decision to offer under-30s an alternative to Oxford jab could knock confidence in Australia’s vaccine rollout. Follow updates live
• Under-30s in the UK to be offered an alternative to AstraZeneca
• Podcast: what do we know about blood clots and the AZ vaccine?
• What do I need to know about the AstraZeneca vaccine?
• Australian doctors urge government to give greater certainty on vaccines
Harassment scandals could hit vaccination rates due to diminished trust in Australian government

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/apr/08/australia-news-live-international-flights-victoria-federal-parliament-scott-morrison-women-astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-coronavirus-blood-clots-pfizer-aged-care
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April 8, 2021 12:04pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Oh dear – looks like MW turned you inside out with your embarrassingly duh ScoHam yesterday 🙂 🙂
  
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  April 8, 2021 1:12pm
  - SB2
    
    Turned me inside out?
    
    Rubbish!
    
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    April 8, 2021 2:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I still can’t work out why Scott Hamilton should be worried,
  
  and I still can’t work out why I should be worried about Scott Hamilton.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/04/general_debate_07_april_2021.html#comment-2919096
  
  Do you ever proofread your posts?
  
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  April 8, 2021 1:14pm
  - cmm
    
    Maggy you should know by now:
    
    Don’t try to understand.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:33pm
    - Swifty
      
      Hamilton/Morrison – who cares?
      
      Facts don’t matter to him, nor does his credibility.
      
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      April 8, 2021 1:52pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sometimes I can’t tell who is stalking whom.
      
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      April 8, 2021 1:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s a clue:
        
        Check the time I put up a post and the time when SB2 puts up a slimy response.
        
        I start each day afresh, hoping that the trolls have disappeared under the bridge.
        
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        April 8, 2021 3:31pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think you should take the advice from 70andstilllearning below.
        If you regard some commenters as trolls, the correct response is always:
        ‘Don’t feed the troll’
        
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        April 8, 2021 4:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And perhaps mikenmildagain, you shouldn’t keep providing cover for the harassment and abuse I’m getting from SB2.
        
        As I posted above.. I’m no longer prepared to put up with SB2’s and your smears and innuendo without calling them out.
        
        Siouxsie Wiles reckons we should nip bullies in the bud…
        
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        April 8, 2021 8:23pm
  - surfing
    
    I think they are saying that Scott Morrison is intentionally trying to poison people with the AZ vaccine. It is a very tenuous argument made up of a chain of half truth’s. And, no thought as to a motive.
    
    Flat earther’s gone crazy.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:39pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Maggy and others – If you starve a weed in your path of moisture it will wither away to nothing eventually.
    If you starve a him/her/it of dt’s/ut’s /reply will it wither away to nothing as well?
    
    Just a thought.
    
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    April 8, 2021 1:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Thanks for your thought.
      
      When I have tried to ignore my abusers they countered with at least 1 year of abuse that I had mental problems
      
      Then I had SB2 writing on here that I was a racist and an alt-righter.
      
      You reckon I should just suck it up and take abuse and lies?
      
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      April 8, 2021 3:29pm
      - Biscuit
        
        I’m on your side, Maggy.
        
        Name and shame the abusers, every time.
        
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        April 8, 2021 4:23pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        I would suggest you don’t keep reminding him how much he got under your skin.
        Not to forget on your end, but consider this;
        You are feeding the troll the sweetest treats in the internet pest’s food group.
        
        I see SB2 as an contrarian with ne’er a pleasant/positive contribution to make. He sees himself as outside of KB, based on the context of his posts describing ‘KBers’. Not posting to communicate, not to share, but the joy of being a pain in the arse.
        Never a dialogue. Prefers a drive by.
        Yet I find him amusing in his own way. Probably not intentional.
        
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        April 8, 2021 4:25pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        No – I don’t think that at all. We are all entitled to our views and they should be respected without trolling. My thought was more to the …. “and others”. We really don’t , as a “peer” group need to recognise those that bait without real input. I know that that is perhaps a little idealistic given my experience but time has also told me that that the thunder of silence can be quite devastating to those who only seek attention.
        
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        April 8, 2021 4:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I believe the original intention of the trolls was to shame me into silence…and the stated aim of one of them was to destroy my “reputation”.
        The first way was to subject me to derogatory and sexual abuse…
        Then a year-long campaign about my mental status..
        
        I think SB2 is now caught up in a hopeless loop…
        He leapt into the abuse when Griff and Mikenmildagain kept calling me mad when I posted Climate links and Griff made derogatory sexual comments…
        
        It looks like SB2 can’t stop his harassment and mikenmildagain acts as his enabler every now and again..
        
        Until I’m booted off this blog by DPF, I’ll call out the abuse and smears I’m getting…as well as keep posting on topics I’m interested in.
        
        For those on KB who are bored witless by this endless bullshit… just click-on by.
        
        I’m just trying to ensure that there is a clear paper trail of the abuse and smears…
        
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        April 8, 2021 8:10pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex
        
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        April 8, 2021 10:53pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Fuzzysnuggleduck above – yes read and grin, grimace, whatever …, but the silence will always win because eventually they only react, never initiate.
      
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      April 8, 2021 7:06pm
RW Capitalist

from stuff
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300272057/live-border-worker-tests-positive-for-covid19-ashley-bloomfield-gives-update

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300271920/covid19-nearly-300000-vaccines-in-storage-but-under-half-of-trained-vaccinators-active

begs a couple of questions
1, Haven’t all the boarder workers been vaccinated? considering they were in group 1
screw up No.1
2. They said they had secured 8 million doses, but they only have 300000 ….they only have 3.8% of the total required and no mention of any further shipments.
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April 8, 2021 1:07pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Hey, interesting they have stopped arrivals from India.
  Not long ago here the comment was made that these India arrivals are citizens (I was going to, but didn’t point out that Permanent Residents are also likely).
  But I was thinking, citizens or not, might it not make sense to stop movement from the highest risk countries?
  Sure, some people have a right to return to NZ: BUT NOT JUST NOW.
  Similar to a nuanced view that we can open up to Aussie, or Pacific Islands (or Taiwan, if we get out from under Xi’s coat tails), we should consider the risk profiles of regions and be more dynamic.
  
  This might be the first thing I agree with around the Government, and them surprising me with some bloody good sense:
  “Entry into NZ from India suspended, Jacinda Ardern announces; 23 Covid-19 cases at border”
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:32pm
I remember when

This year on the 26th March the city of Kyoto saw the earliest bloom in over 1200 years and, scientists say climate change is to blame.
‘We say it’s most likely because of the impact of global warming.’
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April 8, 2021 1:22pm
- SB2
  
  It is the cherry blossoms that have unseasonably bloomed early which they say might be linked to climate change.,
  
  https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/kyoto-cherry-blossoms-early-bloom
  
  Like Auckland’s near-unprecedented drought conditions. Can’t remember anything quite like it.
  
  Can anyone else?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/stories/2018750899/beyond-reasonable-drought-new-zealand-s-climate-future
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:53pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Modern urban heat island. Cherry blossoms in kyoto bloom a week earlier than in adjacent countryside.
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Average life span of flowering cherries is less than 100 years.
  The flowering cherry cultivars in 2020s will be very different genetic stock from those growing 1200 years ago.
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3501942/
  
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  April 8, 2021 7:18pm
I remember when

Brazil has been in a covid pandemic so long I wonder where they rank on the world cases per million.
Oh, there it is number 15th at present.
Behind eleven European countries.
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April 8, 2021 1:26pm
- SB2
  
  Even so, Jair Bolsonaro should be worried,
  
  https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/brazil
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:42pm
  - SB2
    
    Oh no,
    
    Brazil ranks 2nd in terms of COVID-19 cases, death toll surpasses 275,000
    
    https://www.aninews.in/news/world/others/brazil-ranks-2nd-in-terms-of-covid-19-cases-death-toll-surpasses-27500020210313095332/
    
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    April 8, 2021 2:46pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    He doesn’t give a fuck. Get over it.
    
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    April 8, 2021 3:28pm
Monique Watson

Bwahahaha a border worker returned positive for Covid. But I thought they had been vaccinated as part of the fast and early and hard strategy or was that not the case?
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April 8, 2021 1:27pm
- Ed Snack
  
  It does appear from other reports that the vaccines are significantly short of 100% effective, so it is quite possible that a vaccinated person can indeed still catch and harbour the virus. Not sure if the vaccination reduces the potential severity of the infection.
  
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  April 8, 2021 3:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like this MIQ guard hadn’t been vaccinated.
  
  The security guard, who has been working in managed isolation for a while, is yet to receive a Covid-19 vaccine, despite being eligible to receive one from February 20.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300272160/covid19-auckland-managed-isolation-facility-worker-tests-positive-for-virus
  
  It would really put the cat amongst the pigeons if he had been fully vaccinated and still caught the virus.
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:31pm
surfing

I had ‘assumed’, that airline crew and frontline quarantine workers would have been vaccinated first.

So, why was this security guard not vaccinated?(rhetorical of course, we are used to big screw-ups)– this has the potential to trigger another lockdown.
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April 8, 2021 1:52pm
- cmm
  
  I find these abuses of statistics rather bizarre.
  
  One million “neoro-different” people impacted by banking limitations? 30% of us?
  
  Apparently at least 10% of us have dyslexia. Perhaps. But that will include people with all levels of dyslexia – from those that have been able to adjust and steer around it (such as myself) all the way over to those that are so impacted that they cannot use internet banking. I suspect that there are very few dyslexics who are that badly impacted and nowhere near the 10% of population mark.
  
  And piss off with this “different” bullshit. Blind people are not alternatively sighted. Dyslexia is a problem – not a difference.
  
  Differences are things that give advantages in some situations (eg. tall vs short, fat vs thin). There are no upsides to dyslexia.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124770123/one-million-neurodifferent-people-failed-by-bank-branch-closures-and-withdrawal-of-cheques-select-committee-told
  
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  April 8, 2021 3:12pm
  - cmm
    
    Sorry, this was supposed to be free standing – not a reply to surfing.
    
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    April 8, 2021 3:12pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I thought it odd too. In a country of 5 million, that is 1 in 5 of us so disadvantaged we can’t do internet banking? And yet one bank claimed it stopped cheques because 99% of their customers didn’t use them any more. Something doesn’t add up.
    I did notice the comments beneath the article included many from people pointing out todays 80 & 90 plus year olds were not that old when internet banking began, so could have learned then if they chose to.
    
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    April 8, 2021 5:09pm
mikenmildagain

Loved the headline;
‘Mother of all book deals’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/07/mike-pence-signs-seven-figure-deal-for-memoirs
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April 8, 2021 1:56pm
- Inandout
  
  m&m, you do realise Pence is a God fearing man?
  
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  April 8, 2021 5:37pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    More of a ‘Mother’-fearing man, I think.
    
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    April 8, 2021 10:50pm
Chuck Bird

Why the hell is Shaun Hendy part of this group?

Covid 19 coronavirus: New advisory group to help Government with Covid decisions

“The group’s other members are

• Dr Nikki Turner, a specialist in immunisation, primary healthcare and preventative child health.
• Professor Philip Hill, epidemiologist with expertise in infectious diseases and research.
• Dr Maia Brewerton, lead clinician at the Department of Clinical Immunology and Allergy at Auckland City Hospital.
• Professor David Murdoch, infectious diseases expert and dean of the University of Otago, Christchurch.
• Dr Ella Iosua, biostatistical expert at the University of Otago.
• Rodney Jones, special advisor.
• Shaun Hendy, special advisor.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-new-advisory-group-to-help-government-with-covid-decisions/4YQ7P4NAIA4RILDQPD3CNHENLU/
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April 8, 2021 2:15pm
- mandk
  
  Indeed you may ask.
  
  Given the background and roles of the others on the group (immunology, epidemiology, infectious diseases, biostatistics), why does it need a physicist?
  
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  April 8, 2021 2:49pm
- Frank the tank
  
  I’m assuming that is a rhetorical question. Why would a university mathematician NOT be on an WuFlu covid response group in (little) Aotearoa.
  
  Look at ‘advisory’ groups in Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Venezuela and it will all become patently clear.
  
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  April 8, 2021 3:33pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Shaun Hendy has enabled Cindy to save 80,000 people!
  
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  April 8, 2021 3:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Upset that you didn’t make the cut, Chuck?
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Expert Hendy, Jaspinda sycophant.
  Expert – X is the unknown quantity, spurt is a drip under pressure.
  I guess physics is not taught anymore ….. just ‘feelings’ …
  
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  April 8, 2021 5:04pm
70andstilllearning

Captain Mainwaring @ 9:47

Jeez -didn’t realise you were that close to the PM’s ear.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300272057/live-entry-into-nz-from-india-suspended-jacinda-ardern-announces-23-covid19-cases-at-border
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April 8, 2021 2:56pm
lifesgood

Bloody hell! 22 imported cases of covid today. 17 from India. When is this government going to get some balls and stop flights from India. This is bloody insane and I don’t want to hear all this nonsense about we can’t stop NZ citizens coming home. It is over a year now, genuine citizens are either already here or have dual citizenship. They can stay in India. If they’ve gone there on holiday that’s their problem, they need a massive fine for importing a deadly disease. Meanwhile the long suffering taxpayer continues to fund them in quarantine.
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April 8, 2021 3:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Government has suspended arrivals from India

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300272274/covid19-temporary-ban-on-arrivals-from-india-to-curb-case-numbers-in-miq

Took their time….
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April 8, 2021 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As usual, go hard, go early //
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:09pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Looking forward to Megan Woods calling Jacinda racist.
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  SB2 will be upset at the “Nice piece of racial/ ethnic profiling” by Cindy’s government.
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:37pm
- nathie
  
  Well I hope that Megan Woods doesn’t put her foot in it and call Jacinda Ardern a racist for suspending arrivals from India (like she did of Hamish Walker last year, who merely asked why so many from that country were testing positive when in MIQ facilities)!
  
  Come to think of it, if Labour (and in particular Megan Woods and therefore Jacinda Ardern etc) took Hamish Walker’s concerns more seriously last year (rather than play dirty politics) then would NZ’s MIQ and pre-testing policies be a lot more robust and safer (than it has been, until today’s announcement)?
  
  In other words did Labour compromise the NZ’s secure borders simply in order to land hits on the National Party? Sure looks like they have!
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:56pm
  - Nickc2
    
    What hypocrites! These bastards have no shame. Why wasn’t this done from the start?
    LYING CONIVING THIEVING ……
    
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    April 8, 2021 9:11pm
- greybeard
  
  If I am correct, then apart from the favoured overseas actors, sportsmen, etc etc who have been given dispensation to come to NZ ( because there are certain Govt ministers or employees who will benefit ) then the only people who should be accepted here are NZ citizens .
  
  Surely the best action to be taken is:
  
  1. Are you a NZ citizen?
  
  Yes: well come on in! Do your MIQ 2 weeks and behave yourself.
  
  No: Sorry, you don’t have a NZ passport so go back to your native country.
  
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  April 8, 2021 5:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Racist //
    Well I have no other comment, so racist is all I can think of with my room temp IQ (C) //
    
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    April 8, 2021 5:30pm
Maggie Pie

Just for a dare I have put the bin out a few times 😀
Admittedly, it was never during the day…..

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1379906829514199041
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April 8, 2021 4:11pm
- mandk
  
  The woman in the video is cheating.
  
  She’s got shoes on.
  
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  April 8, 2021 4:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  On my outdoor deck I put up a small shed and moved the BBQ, so the neighbours view would not get embarrassing for them.
  Nothing wrong with humping outside in private. Ffs, 47 sqm deck was not built to sit inside and look at a spa pool on the deck
  
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  April 8, 2021 5:14pm
mikenmildagain

Jordan Peterson seems to be a upset that a comic-book villain is espousing ideas similar to his own:
https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-red-skull-parody-captain-america-comic-1581325
Gonna need a lotta popcorn for this one…
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April 8, 2021 4:21pm
Maggie Pie

And what’s happened to billionaire American film director James Cameron’s grandiose plans for an ‘Organic Vegetable’ farm?
Friends up from the Wariarapa were telling us there’s hundreds of cows grazing there now.
More lucrative perhaps?

So much for his call to ‘curb carbon emissions’…..

Just saying.
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April 8, 2021 5:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dairy cows, or steak cows?
  
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  April 8, 2021 5:15pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just checked that with Dick…..he said “the diary variety”
    
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    April 8, 2021 5:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Anther thought. Retired dairy cows? Ready for the stuff they call ‘meat’ in NZ?
      Dead cows do not just evaporate from the property
      
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      April 8, 2021 5:36pm
- Ehlana
  
  Maybe the cows have been “rescued” from a dairy or beef farm Maggie.
  
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  April 8, 2021 5:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear..
  
  Nobody wanting to buy their organic vegies, eh?
  
  Or r have they twigged that they can’t manage 100s of hectares of pastureland without stock on it?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hollywood-director-james-camerons-enviro-farm-turns-to-dairy-cow-grazing/VJQQYXRUUJKTPOBTG7GUQCETEA/
  
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  April 8, 2021 6:26pm
greybeard

People have been saying for ages to restrict immigration from India.
Why has it taken so long for those with the ability to actually DO something to acknowledge this and prevent anyone from India coming here ?
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April 8, 2021 5:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is great thinking. LA homeless shelters to be put on beaches.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DEMOCRATS?
The people will piss and shit in the water.
My head hurts listening to these fuckhead ideas
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April 8, 2021 5:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  rising sea levels… they’ll get wet.
  
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  April 8, 2021 6:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

JHC I forgot the link, sorry.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/la-city-council-member-submits-proposal-to-add-homeless-shelters-to-local-beaches/?
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April 8, 2021 5:44pm
Inandout

Fly United at your own risk.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/606e8dd0ac521e0bd4aad037
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April 8, 2021 5:48pm
Wired-one

So you can temporarily ban kiwis from entering the country, as long as they are coming from India. Another lie Miss Ardern?
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April 8, 2021 6:06pm
Maggie Pie

We were just sitting there having a wine and watching the News.
As my partner said, we can probably expect longer delays with Uber-Eats deliveries for the next month or so.
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April 8, 2021 6:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you were enterprising.. you could set up Remmers Roti and get you Tennis gals to do a few drop-offs for you.
  
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  April 8, 2021 6:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! Just home from my shift.
    How do you think a franchise would go in Gizzie?
    Happy to discuss terms for East Coast region 😀
    
    (And hey, what about the comment below from that nasty lefty loser Daphne Blackarse. Haven’t heard from ‘it’ for months.)
    Jealous bitch.
    
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    April 9, 2021 6:53am
- Daphne Whitethigh
  
  Why don’t you just use Facebook instead of clogging up this channel?
  
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