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Happychappy

About 2,000 kiwis late on second Covid -19 vaccine Jab; 5,700 doses waisted about 95 per cent of kiwis are getting their Pfizer Vaccine Jab within five weeks of the first dose. That means 42,771 people who have had two doses as of Tuesday last week about 2,000 of them had their second Jab more than two weeks after the recommended time to receive it.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-about-2000-kiwis-late-on-second-vaccine-jab-5700-doses-wasted/YWLMR27IDPBMYDEGJRMSTY5AOE/
Labour obviously can’t even do the simple things right so it really doesn’t look good for those next on the list as the amount of those in the waiting queue will have doubled and god knows how many vaccines will be waisted when that starts to get underway.
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April 26, 2021 8:00am
- Souvlaki
  
  I’m dubious about this data. The rollout is in fact shambolic….they lost my ” registration” after my 1st jab( I had to chase it up)…other colleagues have had emails to say” we note you missed your second dose”…when IN FACT it had been given already!
  The above is true…their record keeping software is a mess!!!??
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:45am
  - sooty
    
    Is the supply chain hiccuping, or people don’t want the second jab?
    
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    April 26, 2021 9:35am
  - Prince
    
    Sounds like the dog of a Covid App that the DOH developed rather than ask the S/W experts in the evil private sector.
    
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    April 26, 2021 10:32am
- pdm
  
  If it is to be done properly it should be done through GP pactices
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:53am
  - Sacha
    
    GP’s don’t have the time/staff/space to run a vax programme.
    (I have to wait 3 weeks for a non-urgent, but required appointment.)
    But surely it would be simple to organise clinics?
    Find a disused space close to local shopping/industry.
    Signpost it.
    Train your vax givers to give the vax.
    Appoint a receptionist to tick off everyone who passes through, and give them a card with the next appointment date/time.
    And sort out the darned software/apps –
    
    I live in a small town. I suspect that we are low on the priority scale, due to our location/rural population and generally healthy environment, but surely there could be a well publicised clinic run from one of the empty shops, or a caravan for the few days that would be needed?
    
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    April 27, 2021 1:09pm
- Lance
  
  Also the annual (non Covid) flu jab is a clusterfuck this year.
  There is NO vaccines unless you are over 65 with no date in sight for when it might be available.
  This time last year our local doctor had vaccinated everyone in his practice that wanted it.
  
  Well done Labour, another colossal balls up.
  
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  April 26, 2021 2:16pm
mikenmildagain

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Happy World Intellectual Property Day!
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April 26, 2021 8:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Surprised to hear you celebrate that, Mikey. Would have picked you more as a man to lambaste Big Pharma for not sharing their COVID vaccine IP.
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:49am
- virtualmark
  
  Was that your idea to have a World Intellectual Property Day? Or have you stolen it from someone else?
  
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  April 26, 2021 1:07pm
JibberJabber

10,000 years of Welfare…
https://twitter.com/damienmgrant/status/1386183674467536898
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April 26, 2021 8:15am
RockyJ

Dear KB commenters. Please give me your feedback…
This September 12 it will be the 40th anniversary of the riot at Eden Park in protest at the Springbok tour. Now, I’m not suggesting a riot but who here would be prepared to march (again in my case) as a repeat peaceful protest against the evil of Apartheid?
Bearing in mind that this time we would be protesting against Apartheid being implemented in New Zealand.
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April 26, 2021 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Another moron who doesn’t understand the meaning of apartheid…
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:37am
  - pdm
    
    Mikey it is being enacted slowly but surely by the Labour government you voted for in New Zealand.
    
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    April 26, 2021 8:57am
  - RockyJ
    
    Wow. You sure got triggered Mikey. Isn’t it state imposed discrimination on the basis of race? Unless you can offer another definition that proves me wrong?
    
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    April 26, 2021 8:58am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Enlighten us?
    
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    April 26, 2021 9:08am
    - KiWombat
      
      noun: apartheid
      (in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.
      segregation on grounds other than race.
      “gender apartheid”
      
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      April 26, 2021 9:14am
      - oldfella
        
        And segregation on health gr0unds in NZ will now be known as ApartHealth. /s
        
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        April 26, 2021 10:27am
      - igm
        
        Highlights the actual moron perfectly.
        
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        April 26, 2021 11:05am
      - Gazza the Giant
        
        Sounds like Labours new health system
        
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        April 26, 2021 11:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure. Apartheid was a system of rule by a racial minority that imposed draconian restrictions on the human rights of the majority population, including ineligibility to vote and a host of regulations about where people could live and work.
      Nothing like that has ever happened here, or is likely to happen.
      Using the term ‘apartheid’ in New Zealand is nonsensical.
      
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      April 26, 2021 9:22am
      - Jack5
        
        “Apartheid” in Afrikaans means “apartness”, and that was the basis of the South African political policy: separate systems for separate races.
        
        Sounds like the road New Zealand is on.
        
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        April 26, 2021 8:06pm
    - Hacked-Off
      
      Thought Criminal, I think RockyJ is referring to the He Puapua or Vision 2040 report that came out of the Department of Maori Development. I have read this rubbish but unfortunately the plan is already unfolding.
      
      Here are the highlights: Vision 2040 posit Maori Separatism from the Crown but where the Crown realm (that is non-Maori) generally speak Te Reo, accept the Maori Worldview and have to navigate complex New Zealand and Iwi laws and customs. Vision 2040 also recommends a 50/50 split of the assets (where Maori also get the Foreshore and Seabed, and rights over water) and where Maori have a decisive voice. The Treaty Settlements are still ongoing as a separate issue (and probably a permanent fixture), the Crown to fund the Maori parallel institutions but has no oversight irrespective of how the money is spent and where the non-Maori taxpayer is seen as a mulich cow for Maori. This will be controlled by an Aristocratic Rentier Iwi Elite not accountable to New Zealand Law or the Government. This is all done in the name of Equity – which popped up last election, and riddles Vision 2040.
      
      The only way I see this occurring is for NZ to become a illiberal one-party apartheid state, which Labour is in the process of starting. See the Hate Speech and Social Media Censorship Bills going through Parliament now.
      
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      April 26, 2021 10:45am
    - SB2
      
      Public toilets for Blacks on the right and the same for whites on the left.
      
      The same for Public parks or beaches etc reserved exclusively for either whites or blacks
      
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      April 26, 2021 11:15am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    So a word that describes this definition might be what mike?
    “…..policy that governed relations between New Zealand’s white majority and Maori minority and sanctioned racial segregation and political and economic discrimination against white…..”
    
    (britannica definition of apartheid rephrased )
    
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    April 26, 2021 9:21am
  - softail 1450
    
    MMA, If your Lefty contrary downticking position on KB ever becomes to much to bear just let Me know and I’ll stand in for you for a week ,7 days of babbling lefty crap can’t be to hard, you’ve been doing it for years.
    
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    April 26, 2021 9:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I understand the meaning of it.
    
    A Maori health authority.
    
    Government departments refusing to accept job applications from non Maori candidates.
    
    I can go on.
    
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    April 26, 2021 9:41am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Apartheid was wrong in SA and it is wrong in NZ.
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:08am
  - redflagged
    
    I agree. I don’t understand why Labour are trying to bring it back between Maori and then everyone else.
    
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    April 26, 2021 11:44am
  - Paulus
    
    But it is slowly happening in Aotearoa, once called New Zealand.
    How can it be stopped from growing incrementally ?
    
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    April 26, 2021 1:28pm
- yossarian
  
  It is ironic that those who protested against South Africa due to the restriction of a group being unable to cast a vote are completely silent towards countries where ‘no one’ gets to vote.
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:17am
- Souvlaki
  
  Count me (& my family)in !
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:39am
- Keith White
  
  I marched in the anti-apartheid protests then and I intend to march (OK then, amble / stagger / limp) in the anti-apartheid protests now. However something tells me that the media will really, really hate our marching guts this time around compared to the last time BTAJT and BHDPA (i.e. the era Before Tova/Audrey/Jack Tame and Before Heather-Du).
  
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  April 26, 2021 10:14am
- EssenX
  
  It’s an interesting question and something I remembered given the recent publicity about Uighur genocide. Many New Zealanders have long held pride in the positions NZ has taken against things like apartheid. The historic Labour Party often had members who led these positions. Today’s Labour Party led by Ardern is too scared to speak up. Why is that? Was the the social media campaign against Bridges run out of China?
  
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  April 26, 2021 1:02pm
Diogenes

I’d like to share a little story about building a house that some may find interesting, and possibly instructive. (Spoiler alert: there’s a happy ending.)

By way of background, I am not a builder. I worked 50 years or so in various forms of media, including newspapers, radio, tv, and graphic design. In our late-30s, my wife and I became keen on having our own house. Although lacking experience, I hoped to do much of the work myself, coming from a long line of DIYers and craftsmen. This was dictated to a great degree by lack of finance. Having worked 10 years on little income (two years with Volunteer Service Abroad, and eight years with a missionary radio organisation), we had a grand total of $5,000 savings. We approached Canterbury Savings Bank for a mortgage, but were turned down for too little deposit, while the Housing Corp declined on the grounds I was now earning too much, having secured a well-paid job with Radio NZ. Through a friendly contact, we went back to the CSB, who this time agreed, taking a lien on the house as security. However, independently my wife and I began to feel very uncomfortable about this, and after prayer felt that God was telling us to go ahead and build without a mortgage, and rely on Him for what we needed. So we cancelled the application, and with a gulp went and explained to our architect. To our surprise, he told us he had built his first house much the same way. He designed what was basically a two-storeyed box that a DIYer might cope with, with a concrete wall foundation and piles. We were also substantially helped by the land being owned by a couple who were members of a community to which we belonged, and they generously offered it on a peppercorn leasehold, with right of purchase in the future.

I knew that if the foundations were not right, nothing else would go right, so the next stage was to find a builder prepared to work on an hourly basis, and a delightful old hand by the name of Stan put his hand up. He ordered a truck load of rimu from the West Coast – incredibly, rimu at that time (1984) was cheaper than radiata – I took three weeks annual leave, and we were off to the races.

Stan was amazing: he loaned me tools and boxing for the foundations, and gave me a quick tutorial on basic building. In the three weeks, we completed the foundations and had the framing up to the rafters. Then the money ran out, and I had to sadly tell Stan I couldn’t pay him any further, which he very graciously understood. Each week, I put as much of my salary as possible into buying materials, and with hammer in one hand and building code in the other continued on.
I had to call Stan back for advice on a particularly tricky bit of construction, but the rest was done with much help from family, friends and church folk. My insurance agent and his son turned up one day with hammers in hand and helped me nail the roof on. A little bit like the old American style of barn-raising. To save money, we used a lot of recycled materials, including a house lot of wooden-framed windows that cost a grand $800. The sewer and water trench was dug by a helpful plumber with me as his labourer, and we got permission from the lines company to lay that cable in the same trench. I ran most of the interior electric wiring myself, with advice from an electrician friend, and did likewise with the water. After 10 months, we had a lock-up shell – that is, roof on, cladding on the outside, and a lockable door. There were no interior doors (a curtain separated the bathroom from the living room) and some of the walls had no linings. There were temporary sinks in the kitchen and bathroom. There was no staircase to the upper floor; we used a ladder. My young children joyfully treated the exposed wall studs as a climbing frame. With the house in this state, we moved in.

No longer paying rent, we could put more into buying materials, but there were times we did not have funds, and yet somehow they were provided. It took around 20 years to get the house to something approaching completion. This was not helped by a bout of depression I suffered for 18 months, during which time I was in little condition to do anything. This also coincided with being made redundant by Radio NZ in one of their cost-cutting rounds, and deciding to start my own graphic design business. Depression, and NZ in the midst of a major worldwide recession, was not a good time to start a business, and I had no time or energy to do anything but survive.

However, today the house is not only finished, but has survived the two major Canterbury earthquakes with only a little cosmetic damage. We added two further bedrooms downstairs, for which I drew the plans, saving architect fees. We eventually exercised our right to purchase the land, for which we did get a small mortgage ($25,000).

There were a number of important factors that helped us succeed, and which more recent harsh laws and council butt-covering have rendered doing something like this impossible. Our dealings with the city council staff were always helpful. Our building inspector acted as though he wanted us to succeed. My plumbing and electrical work passed all inspections with no comment. More importantly, it only worked because we could move in to an uncompleted house, and finish it around us. Once upon a time, this was the Kiwi way of doing things, but it has been destroyed for no gain. And of course, it worked because we were surrounded by family and friends who believed in a loving God and that what we were doing was not crazy. (Well, sometimes they rolled their eyes, but also rolled up their sleeves.)

The restrictive building codes were brought in after the leaky homes debacles, and the consequences of allowing untreated radiata timber. Home builders such as myself were not the problem, but have suffered the backlash. In fact, I have yet to hear of a home-built house suffering any major issues, including from the earthquakes. I am not saying that reverting to pre-1990 conditions will solve New Zealand’s housing crisis, but just maybe we could make it much easier for enterprising Kiwis to rediscover a pioneering spirit that could lead to new solutions.
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April 26, 2021 8:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  A good story. Well done for having vision and determination.
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:47am
  - Diogenes
    
    It would be helpful to know from the downtickers why they don’t like the information shared. Then we could have some constructive dialogue.
    
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    April 26, 2021 9:21am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hence your pseudonym. Well done, that man.
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We all built our own homes back in the 1960’s. The Govt even published books on housing construction for the DIY. There was a shortage of homes then and a real push to get houses–no Tywfordism. The Ministry of Works of the day promoted design, economy, standards and go-getting.
  
  We collaborated with family and friends to assist one another and I have been involved in building three. We were amateurs and made their mistakes. I ordered a 4.5 cubic metre hopper and the truck filled it up with cement. I was still picking it out at 10 o’clock at night.
  
  Nevertheless the houses got built. Govt co-operated with the financiers and generously funded the DIY housing. The work we put in was our deposit. Councils accepted it too and the inspectors acted as friendly advisors in support. Those houses are still standing.
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:05am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    @KO’B 9.05
    And then everyone moved in without fences, paths, garages. When you and the neighbour had saved enough for the fence materials and a flagon, you organised a weekend to build it while the women folk provided morning tea and lunch and the kids all played together.
    At the end of the day the top was knocked off the flagon and everyone was pleased with the result.
    We didn’t build fences we built communities in those days.
    Today’s young couples have had that taken off them and are the poorer for it in so many ways.
    
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    April 26, 2021 11:56am
- Tall Man
  
  You still can build your own home with a bit of help.
  
  https://www.building.govt.nz/projects-and-consents/planning-a-successful-build/scope-and-design/choosing-the-right-people-for-your-type-of-building-work/owner-builder-obligations/
  
  One of my sons is doing this at the moment.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:01am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Makes the point pretty well that current regulatory compliance regime, adding 100’s of thousands to cost of building and over-engineered to provide incredibly high standards of reliability and super luxurious levels of comfort, are the real problem when it comes to insanely expensive housing – as they of course push up the cost of all other housing to match what can be built. Older regulations still produced houses that were comfortable and safe to live in for over 100 years in many cases, and represent the majority of all housing stock in NZ.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:26am
- Antoine
  
  Well done Diogenes but those days have gone. We have lost the skills and lost the can do attitude. We are now a heavily regulated society. Anyway land is too expensive for young people now, never mind a house on it.
  
  I think the spirit you describe still lives on in some other countries though.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:26am
- SB2
  
  Diogenes, so is it back to deregulation 1990s style?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/116616919/book-review-rottenomics-lifts-the-lid-on-leaky-buildings
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:27am
- GJM
  
  My late father in law built their house when they moved here in 1984. he was a master craftsman machinist and engineer from Germany, where such qualifications mean something.
  Like you, it started as a shell with sheets for walls, and with 3 daughters, it was a bit tight for space. He later doubled the size of it, roping in the boyfriend of the oldest daughter for some free labour on the roof….
  It is a solid and well built house, carefully constructed with attention to detail. I doubt he would be able to do it now, with all the red tape and cost
  
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  April 26, 2021 12:33pm
- Dr John
  
  “incredibly, rimu at that time (1984) was cheaper than radiata”
  I built a house on the West Coast in those years. total rimu framing and cladding. It was cheaper because pine had to travel by rail from Greymouth to Christchurch for ‘treating’ and then back again, while rimu was sawn right out of the bush, dried, and it was ready to go. Then, although the West Coast bush spreads further than the distance Auckland to Wellington, Helen Clark said no more milling of native trees for that purpose.
  The same woman who wouldn’t allow Pike River to be an open cast mine [as was intended] because it was just inside a park, and so the miners had to dig a long tunnel from outside the park – and we all know what happened next.
  
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  April 26, 2021 1:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Flat Earth Society has members all around the Globe
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April 26, 2021 8:25am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Yes, they are called Trumpists these days Steve.
  In many parts of Auckland returned serviceman built their own homes. I know of one built by an ex POW that is a stylish brick home over 2 stories in what was once called the “deli” style, one of his buddies was a master builder who gave him a hand on the weekends, and no doubt advising of what work to do during the week. The wife was a JP who worked for the council as did many returned servicemen.
  In fact, the Mayor was one and helpful to ex-serviceman families – they ran the Trust, the pubs, many shops, and the rugby and league clubs. They were hard-case blokes if somewhat unsettled by the war. Those that built their own homes would have been hard to stop even if short of a bit of paperwork or a nogging or 2.
  Beer bottles were a bit bigger in those times as well with bonfires a community effort in the local park and I think being in the cadets was compulsory like getting a haircut at college or copping the cane. Not too far away was a bloke called Muldoon and another Tizard who didn’t put up with too much shit either.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pity people can’t buy a sense of humour and install it
    
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    April 26, 2021 11:44am
  - Liberty
    
    Tizard who didn’t put up with too much shit either.
    The odious little man was full of it.
    
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    April 26, 2021 12:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Err Brian, there is confusion. I wondered what the hell you were on about.
    My 8.25 post was nothing to do with the KevO’Brien post at 9.05.
    It was a ‘new’ comment. Pay attention
    
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    April 26, 2021 3:15pm
- SB2
  
  With you as ist incumbent President!
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:42am
peterwn

A judge has ruled that Police ‘Formal warnings’ are unlawful. The Police sometimes issues these instead of charging an alleged offender with an offence. There seems to be no legal basis for issuing these, the Police place on their records that they have been issued and victims and others (probably including prospective employers) are informed that they have been issued. There is no process to challenge their issue except by seeking judicial review and when someone sought judicial review, the judge’s response was they are unlawful – full stop. The Police are considering an appeal.
The Police Minister has ducked for cover effectively saying it is an ‘operational matter’ and that it would be inappropriate to comment while the case is under appeal. Presumably he was briefed accordingly.
Now I agree that the specific instance is an ‘operational matter’ and the Minister cannot be seen to be interfering in this case including any appeal process. However the policy and practice in general is not an ‘operational matter’ and is a valid part of Ministerial authority and responsibility. Parliament had not specifically legislated for this. The Minister would be quite entitled to and indeed should comment on what the Government’s attitude to this should be. If the ‘formal warnings’ system is to continue, it would be far better to have it properly legislated for. If the Minister accepts the system should continue the Minister should ask the Police Commissioner to put proper safeguards in place to address the particular concerns raised by the Judge.
If I were the Minister, I would want a frank discussion with the Commissioner on this, but I would also arrange for coffee to be served.
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April 26, 2021 8:28am
- pdm
  
  Would this be an example of a formal warning:
  
  As a 6th former in 1963 two other 6 formers and a mate who had left school at the end of the 5th form the previous year took some flagons down to the river at Waipukurau – where we ran into the local Police Sergeant and a Constable who saw the flagons and gave us both barrels ending with this statement.
  
  `If I catch you boys drinking I will prosecutre you at the drop of a hat!!!’
  
  We took the hint and buggered off to drink said flagons on private property elsewhere.
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Another example of DIY administrative “law”.
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:07am
- Bob
  
  Another example of what is wrong with our judicial system. an activist judge who is unable to see the big picture, and read between the lines of the existing legislation.
  A warning is just that… a WARNING! I know of a few, now mature, men who as youngsters were warned by teachers, police and parents ‘not to repeat that behaviour again’.
  Turned them back onto the straight and narrow. Perhaps the judge should read the old classic PILGRIMS PROGRESS, may come out of the exercise a better judge.
  
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  April 26, 2021 10:03am
- Nickc2
  
  Whilst doing all this discussion stuff, please bring Marae Justice into the discourse and ask why and how it doesn’t constitute apartheid and don’t accept ‘it doesn’t’ as an answer.
  
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  April 26, 2021 12:20pm
- GJM
  
  The NZ application have long considered the law to be only a guide, not a requirement. Whether it be covering up planted evidence all the way to the funeral of the perpetrator, dodgy confessions from innocent people, knowingly enforcing illegal lockdowns and so on.
  
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  April 26, 2021 12:37pm
kiwikidsnz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124930038/a-judge-has-ruled-that-police-formal-warnings-are-illegal-and-akin-to-a-conviction-without-trial
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April 26, 2021 8:28am
KH

Maori Party election expenses. The story raged in the media for 24 hours then silence.
Question. Did they con the court into granting a blanket suppression order?
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April 26, 2021 8:31am
- MCos
  
  What were you expecting?
  Just about every major party plus some local body candidates are currently being investigated.
  The whole schmozzle is turning into a minor industry for a bunch of people to sort out on the one hand and on the other propose ever more complicated solutions to simplify the process for future elections.
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:24am
  - KH
    
    I expected much more. It was not a story like the other political parties.
    Within hours the Maori Party story developed into really juicey info on the real source of the money. (from government contract health and social services money???).
    But then the next day the shutters came down with a slam.
    So???
    
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    April 26, 2021 4:44pm
- Liberty
  
  It’s all part of the media slash fund deal.
  If it was National or Act it would be
  front page for weeks.
  
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  April 26, 2021 12:09pm
kowtow

Bonkers Britain.

MI6 to track carbon emitters ( imagine how woke the next 007 will be)

Warning to engineering students that Isaac Newton benefitted from slavery

Canterbury Tales to come with a warning for links to slavery

And the US has the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act , named after a drug addled home invader ……….

Comrades , the Cultural Revolution marches on
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April 26, 2021 8:35am
- Keith White
  
  Thanks for the reminder – heading out to the shed now to fire up the V8 and purge the NOS bottle on the driveway…
  
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  April 26, 2021 10:10am
- SB2
  
  “Warning to engineering students that Isaac Newton benefitted from slavery”
  
  And so did Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and other founding fathers.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The next 007 will be a female (or trans), black, socialist greenie, with anti gun agenda. She will win against the enemy with hugs and kisses. Theme music will be from a nursery rhyme
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:49am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    May be the newly minted Sir Dave Dobyn music for the next James Bond movie? That will be woke on the top.
    
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    April 26, 2021 1:56pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Buildings built to Newtonian mechanics and physics are going to have to be re-certified by AOC and her crew.
  Oh dear, where will the vectors end up?
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:53am
Swifty

Helen Clark is still worshipped and revered as a socialist comrade in Uzbekistan!

https://youtu.be/I8CyY3Vbnk4?t=101

🙂
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April 26, 2021 8:36am
- Nickc2
  
  It’s probably the same at Auckland University and the top floor of the Bee Hive.
  
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  April 26, 2021 12:28pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Has the she beast finally moved out of NZ? Why was I not informed of this good news bros?
  
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  April 26, 2021 1:56pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

$190m for a cycleway from Perone to Ngauranga. Increase of $70m since first announced.

Even in this time of Labour profligacy, let the magnitude of those numbers sink in.
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April 26, 2021 8:56am
Thought Criminal

The woke mob will come for us all. Good summary of woke fascism.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/the-cancel-culture-mob-will-come-for-us-all/news-story/8d5f20547bd5c1c8291915f20a6ed2e8
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April 26, 2021 9:09am
- SB2
  
  We will believe when it actually happens.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:21am
KevO'Brien

Is there a sequence here? Three related posts (some long, but serious) showing the ultra-rich planning population control through virii, China’s research and the COVID vaccine peculiarities. Strange how they all popped up today.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-may-2009-meeting-of-the-good-club-billionaire-club-in-bid-to-curb-overpopulation/5742626

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/wuhan-lab-covid-19/2021/04/25/id/1018907/

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-vaccine-goal-immunity-depopulation/5731556 (Long)
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April 26, 2021 9:14am
- tf78
  
  Kev, thanks so much for those, they just confirmed the thoughts I’ve had from the get go.
  
  I remember last year Donald Trump said “It is no longer a pandemic it’s a case demic” and also to “Stop testing”.
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  April 26, 2021 11:18am
- SB2
  
  Absolute flat earth type nonsense!
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:19am
KevO'Brien

For those with a mild degree of scepticism or more:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/
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April 26, 2021 9:16am
- MCos
  
  For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
  I wasn’t much good at science at school, but I remember that little saying.
  So for every bloke like Willis Eschenbach there will be someone else who says he’s talking shite and who sounds just as convincing.
  https://blog.hotwhopper.com/2020/01/willis-eschenbach-radiates-more.html
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:35am
- RichardX
  
  A bible believing christian who links to conspiracies then invokes scepticism. I’m guessing self awareness isn’t something with which you concern yourself.
  
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  April 26, 2021 10:44am
- Tall Man
  
  You can’t take the fool out of foolish and the “true believers” will accept nothing that disputes their stupidity.
  
  They claim “the science” is settled yet won’t even look at alternative opinions.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:05am
- SB2
  
  Anthony Watt’s formal training and qualifications?
  
  Discuss!
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:17am
  - mainlander
    
    SB2’s formal training and qualifications? Discuss? Nah, don’t bother; stupid is as stupid does!
    
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    April 26, 2021 8:33pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Good read when you go right through it.
  
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  April 26, 2021 6:57pm
I remember when

Lake Onslow:
The Govt is spending $30 million on a business case to investigate a multi-billion proposal to build a massive storage lake above Roxburgh for a pumped storage scheme.
‘Minister Megan Woods said the study would provide certainty on the ‘costs, logistics and any environmental impacts’ for Lake Onslow.
“The study would provide certainty on the costs” – anyone running a book: what are the odds.
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April 26, 2021 9:18am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Worth doing. Provides a pretty decent option for maybe making a transition to all renewable electricity in NZ at similar costs to now. If only we don’t get overwhelmed by the costs of feeding Taniwhas.
  
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  April 26, 2021 5:28pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “The study would provide certainty on the costs”
  
  Perhaps the odds against could start at 100:1 base. There’s around 1.7 M voter’s out there who will go with the government telling the truth at 1:100. They’ll think they are in for another windfall off the tree.
  
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  April 26, 2021 7:12pm
fernglas

It takes a Brit to say what nobody here has the courage to think
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/zoe-strimpel-covid-restrictions-mean-australasians-have-never-looked-so-imprisoned/B5NPTJCHBC4MHQV2AFS47ZNL6U/
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April 26, 2021 9:24am
Fletch

I was listening to Tim Dower on NewsTalkZB this morning between 6:15 and 6:30 and someone TXTed in something about border closures in India vs Australia and the difference. Tim started to comment on it, and it just cut off. Like minutes of dead air punctuated by some ads and a “extra update” clip. When he came back on he said nothing about it. Something we’re not supposed to discuss?
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April 26, 2021 9:39am
- Fletch
  
  Listen at 4:42 onwards.
  
  https://weekondemand.newstalkzb.co.nz/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2021.04.26-06.15.00-S.mp3
  
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  April 26, 2021 9:45am
Benedict Yu

So from time to time the Greens get all surly when folk like me call them communists. Well Golriz Ghahraman has been promoting this suggestion on twitter.

“Permanent 3 day weekends combined with higher wages and wealth confiscation from billionaires and also cancellation of precarious work hours replaced with salaries for income certainty and livable benefit levels.”

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman?s=09

You decide.
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April 26, 2021 9:42am
- Nickc2
  
  …….and they say America’s election wasn’t rigged?
  
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  April 26, 2021 7:19pm
actista

35 years ago today –
26th April 1986 – the No.4 reactor at Chernobyl explodes, causing the Chernobyl nuclear disaster.
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April 26, 2021 9:48am
I remember when

Cost of Transmission Gully has blown out from $850 million to est. $1.25 billion, so that’s 147% of the original estimate.
As a comparison the Minimum Wage is 140% of the 2014 figure and the Starting Wage 145% of 2013 amount.
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April 26, 2021 9:58am
Benedict Yu

Just further to my comment earlier in the thread on Golriz Ghahraman…

Her only comment on Anzac Day was to retweet this…

“ANZAC Day, when we remember all the men and women who have served in our armed forces in times of war.

I remember the 500 [Australian] Aboriginal trackers forcibly conscripted and sent to fight in the Boer War. And because of the White Australia policy were left there and never came home.”
>>>>>>

Now there are two issues here. Firstly that this was her only contribution on Anzac Day. Enough said.

Secondly the truth of the claim.
I did some digging. It was 120 years ago so it is difficult to know. But the consensus seems to be that 50 odd were left behind. And many of these seem to have stayed voluntarily for various reasons.

She really is a piece of work. On Anzac Day nothing to say except this.
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April 26, 2021 9:59am
trout

Light at the end of the tunnel? A push back against ‘cancel culture’.
‘A new proposal in Florida would allow a student to record their college professors’ lectures in order to use the information as evidence of political bias.
According to the bill, students would be permitted to conduct “free-speech activities”, including “all forms of peaceful assembly, protests, and speeches; distributing literature; carrying signs; circulating petitions; faculty research, lectures, writings, and commentary, whether published or unpublished; and the recording and publication, including the Internet publication, of video or audio recorded in outdoor areas of campus.”
“The State Board of Education may not shield students, faculty, or staff at Florida College System institutions from free speech protected under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution,” the text of the bill adds.
The legislation specifies that the audio and video recordings are for students’ “own personal educational use, in connection with a complaint to the public institution of higher education where the recording was made, or as evidence in, or in preparation for, a criminal or civil proceeding.”
The move is aimed at protecting” intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity,” defined as the “exposure of students, faculty, and staff to, and the encouragement of their exploration of, a variety of ideological and political perspectives.”
Under the legislation, all 40 state-funded colleges in the Sunshine State would also be required to each conduct an “annual assessment of the intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity” at their individual institution.
Florida’s Board of Education would create a “objective, nonpartisan, and statistically valid survey” that considers “the extent of which competing ideas and perspectives are presented and members of the college community, including students, faculty, and staff, feel free to express their beliefs and viewpoints on campus and in the classroom.”
Beginning September 1, 2022, the results would be compiled and published annually by the Florida Board of Education.
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April 26, 2021 10:08am
tf78

Kev, it’s just the fear factor striking our poor young ones again, to drive their parents into submission. We are going to need psychiatrists not apprentices.
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April 26, 2021 10:15am
I remember when

IPCC Third Assessment Report, The Scientific Basis 14 2 2 2, p.774
‘We should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climatic states is not possible.’
Yet, at a time when there is almost universal concern at the lack of involvement in science at schools and universities, we have these ‘climate’ protests by, what the media applaud as, extremely knowledgeable young students.
Some as young as twelve are allowed to appear on TV espousing their support for the cause – naturally without any course of action suggested except stopping some activities.
No need to discuss what the alternatives are, or why they will be better.
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April 26, 2021 10:31am
Prince

So many racist and classist stories in today’s media.
How are these stories being allowed to appear ? Some ‘please explains’ coming to editors near you.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124947770/man-stabbed-to-death-at-social-housing-unit-was-on-electronically-monitored-bail
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124946407/longtime-neighbour-of-woman-found-dead-in-council-housing-says-there-are-lots-of-problems-at-the-flats
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April 26, 2021 10:40am
Maggie Pie

After watching the dreadful news coming out of Deli last night, particularly in regard to all the hospitals being unable to cope due the the lack of oxygen supplies, my partner has just headed down to Westhaven to bring home the dive bottles off his boat in preparation for when Jacinda reopens the borders to Indians returning here.

As he said, better to be prepared than sorry.
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April 26, 2021 10:56am
- SB2
  
  MP, sicko!
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:18am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yeah could’nt help thinking that all those bottles people were carrying to be refilled will be 21 percent air, Ie compressed air. Bit like a placebo effect I suppose.
  Not medical oxygen.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:30am
- rockape
  
  I hope he doesn’t dive on oxygen!
  
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  April 26, 2021 12:59pm
kowtow

As to the Media Pardy keeping us in fear of Wuflu , this time the India story.

A theme now is foreign countries coming to their aid .

Well how about India spending its hard earned taxes on hospitals and not on such nice to haves like

a nuclear arsenal
a blue water fleet

and a fricken space programme.
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April 26, 2021 11:01am
SB2

Why we should not be not all surprised ,

NZSIS counterterror focus on white supremacists found new targets quickly

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441232/nzsis-counterterror-focus-on-white
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April 26, 2021 11:16am
Maggie Pie

Latest poll on FOX has 9 out of 4 Biden voters saying they regret their decision.
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April 26, 2021 11:47am
- Biscuit
  
  With respect, Maggie, I betcha 9 out of 4 Biden voters would tell a CNN poll the exact opposite.
  
  So the networks in the US are hopelessly biassed.
  
  Surely you knew that before?
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:55am
- BeeJay
  
  ???? Not sure how that works!
  9 out of 4? Must be Irish!
  Maybe 4 out of 9?
  And if you believe that, you’ll believe anything!!
  
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  April 26, 2021 2:59pm
  - Prince
    
    4 Biden voters voted 9 times.
    
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    April 26, 2021 4:58pm
    - Batman
      
      So far the only legitimate case of that is a guy who tried to use his mother’s mail in ballot to vote Trump but got caught… Amazing given how bad those mail ballots apparently are
      
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      April 26, 2021 5:06pm
Brian McDonald

There is an argument about whether the warnings are susceptible to JR because they don’t have a legislative basis, that might be argued as that they are in fact effective and set out an intention by police that once in practice was done verbally.
Possibly lucky to get a Judge to hear it if it weren’t for the privacy issues where it went too far.
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April 26, 2021 11:48am
- fernglas
  
  Any administrative action is subject to judicial review, particularly if it has no legislative basis.
  
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  April 26, 2021 11:51am
redflagged

This is a bit of tongue and cheek, but you meet or hear from people like this in New Zealand, sorry Aotearoa daily, even those in power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-M2vpGsHcw
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April 26, 2021 11:55am
- CommanderC
  
  ROTFLOL
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:41pm
Happychappy

Construction yet to start for Palmerston North Hospital upgrade.
A stopgap of Palmerston North Hospital is proceeding slowly, reaching the stage of doing a development design. The $26 million project to expand surgical and related services on operating theatres that are old and too cramped was announced in January 2020 as part of $300 million Construction project yet to
start for Palmerston North Hospital upgrade.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/04/construction-yet-to-start-for-palmerston-north-hospital-upgrade.html
This is just another of Labours promises that will be ready to start going into the next Election. This is the Labour Government that keep spouting about Nationals Nine Years of Neglect but takes years to spend the money in projects costing millions that have promised before the last Election.
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April 26, 2021 12:21pm
Rusty

Goodbye to the Blues rugby franchise ever becoming a successful super rugby team again. The mighty Auckland teams of the 80’s and 90s which also reflected the early super rugby teams in 96-97 will never happen again.

No excuses this year, they had the coach and players but for some underlying reason they didn’t perform when it mattered i.e yesterday against the Crusaders.

Is the Auckland region too big and could some of the Blues players and supporters actually be confused on who the Blues franchise is really representing?
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April 26, 2021 12:53pm
- Prince
  
  Expect the usual TVNZ reporters to beat up the Blues chances next year. Easier than getting out and about the country – just pop down to Eden Park for your freebies and soft stories.
  
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  April 26, 2021 5:00pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Blues now include Northland but I find it hard to find a Blues supporter up here. Can’t understand why they still all want to travel down to the Tron when there’s a home game there. Strange!
  
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  April 26, 2021 7:23pm
Maggie Pie

I see where the Herald is reporting….”Aucklanders face 8 hours of bumper-to-bumper traffic as they return home from up North after the long weekend”. Pack of idiots!

Why don’t people do what we do? Stay home for the long weekends, then go away the following week and take that Monday off. We just about have Tindalls to ourselves…..and hardly anyone on the roads.
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April 26, 2021 1:42pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Aucklanders vote Labour. Think it over Maggie.
  
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  April 26, 2021 1:59pm
Wired-one

The Oscar’s going out of their way to make sure every single minority is represented and shown on picture at repeating intervals. From sign language, to trans men and women, the Oscar’s have definitely gone beyond woke. No one has seen any of the films nominated. But who cares in this day and age where perception and virtue signalling is more important than talent and achievement.
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April 26, 2021 1:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

See how this socialist conformity shit works?
People are being played – just like they are with Covid. Today I have seen 5 people alone in their cars, wearing fucking masks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BkzvP19v4
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April 26, 2021 2:32pm
Swifty

Roger Penrose – Why Did Our Universe Begin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypjZF6Pdrws
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April 26, 2021 3:43pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300284550/why-new-zealand-businesses-should-look-to-india-for-new-opportunities
India is one of the most corrupt countries on earth.
This man’s support for them has no doubt also been bought.
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April 26, 2021 4:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yer, read the link.https://babylonbee.com/news/that-girl-getting-stabbed-wasnt-in-danger-says-man-who-flops-anytime-anyone-gets-within-six-feet-of-him?fbclid=IwAR3s–D3AISe_o0eJSIJrzrPIRQ3ZpdQehUGIh9xMeJe_g0pofzPg1vp7EQ
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April 26, 2021 4:41pm
Maggie Pie

I suspect Ma may have had a couple ….she just txt

“someone needs to tell those fwits at watties to put tear-tabs on their sweetcorn cans”

LOL!!
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