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Happychappy

Road Crisis : No money for new roads after 2030 unless system gets shake up.
Fuel taxes need to go but we have got to find better ways to pay.
News last week that the Government has been looking at phasing out fuel taxes in favour of other ways of charging for road use has been welcomed but the Government is staring down the barrel of a Transport Infrastructure Crisis if it doesn’t start planning for new ways of funding Transport now.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287265/fuel-taxes-need-to-go–but-weve-got-to-find-better-ways-to-pay
Really why wasn’t this being worked on before Jacinda Ardern our Celebrity Prime Minister decided to make her Captains call on closing our gas and oil fields and Climate change, this is just another example of the Labour Party that throw millions at lesser problems and leave the hard stuff to whoever wins the next Election.
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April 28, 2021 8:00am
- tf78
  
  Happy : Wait for it 3-2-1, let’s increase car registration fees.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:41am
  - Bullion
    
    Just do something like they do with diesel.
    
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    April 28, 2021 12:52pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  A good example of why Parliament needs to be in control of authorising all expenditure made from Public Monies. Now a transport fund is involved in climate change and scratching it’s head about future business.
  
  This govt is like a headless chook, all movement without sense.
  They can’t do anything wise as they do not understand the advice on offer and only use sycophants, including departmental staff who don’t upset them so much.
  
  I have never known such an incompetent Gulliblement.
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:27am
  - Ehlana
    
    At least a headless chook means chicken for dinner…
    
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    April 28, 2021 11:20am
    - kowtow
      
      nah with this lot it means a bad case of campolybacter and the shits.
      
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      April 28, 2021 1:28pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      If only we could harvest them.
      
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      April 28, 2021 2:39pm
- all true
  
  Just keep voting in the Show Pony including her cronies.
  That will be a clear way to become a communistic country.
  Well done!!!!
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:12pm
- Liberty
  
  What a load of Twaddle.
  The pinkos are manufacturing another crises.
  Granted fuel taxes will plummet as the vehicle fleet is converted
  To E Cars.
  A very simple solution. Impose a road or fuel levy on ECars. They
  Should already be paying a levy to use the roads.
  Currently they are treated as little green Gods.
  A privileged few. Who suck of the State tit by not paying the true cost of using the state highways.
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:30pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yup. E cars are largely owned by the relatively wealthy; petrol & diesel cars are owned across the wealth spectrum. Which means that road usage by wealthy E car owners is subsidised in part by poor, petrol car owners.
    
    “Steals from the poor, gives to the rich, what a *tch…”
    
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    April 28, 2021 12:48pm
- Bullion
  
  None of the current oil and gas fields were closed and neither were current exploration permits cancelled.
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:51pm
  - kowtow
    
    Doesn’t matter . The lesson to the industry was “we don’t want you , fuck off ”
    
    There’ll be no new exploration. And we’ll become even more dependant on imports , supply lines through hostile waters , etc in what is a changing geo political reality .
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:32pm
  - CommanderC
    
    New exploration permits were cancelled, so made it uneconomic to bring an offshore drilling rig down to explore in current exploration permits.
    
    Also, even if you discovered something in a new exploration permit, the risk that you would be denied a production license would rise to 50% in a Labour-Green government.
    
    Labour-Green has made it clear they don’t like:
    * oil and gas
    * coal mining
    * Marsden Point oil refinery
    * Glenbrook steel mill
    * Methanex
    * Bluff aluminium smelter
    
    But they do want Guaranteed Minimum Income where all New Zealanders receive a basic salary “from the government”….
    
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    April 28, 2021 3:52pm
    - Bullion
      
      They didn’t cancel anything, just stopped issuing permits. There are permits that last 50 years still active
      
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      April 28, 2021 6:28pm
Maggie's partner

In recent months, it has become apparent to me that there is simply no point in opposing the Labour government. Apart from those of us in echo chambers like Kiwiblog, nobody’s listening.

The media are too busy rebranding us as Aotearoa.
Public figures are too busy virtue signalling their wokeness, for fear of cancellation.
Bankers and economists are too busy justifying why the economy is fine, despite record levels of debt which are only serviceable at low interest rates, or the spectre of rising inflation.
Ordinary folk are too busy working hard to make a living in the post covid economy.
Bewitched former National voters who misguidedly switched to Labour are too busy justifying what they now realise was a foolish move.

In the meantime, the racial separation of the nation is growing at an exponential rate.
The destructuring of our society is almost complete.
Incompetence is either ignored or celebrated. Accountability is inevitably mitigated by circumstances.
The phantom crises which were the clarion call of a Labour party seeking election have become all too real under their stewardship.

And all for a hug or a hijab.
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April 28, 2021 8:01am
- RockyJ
  
  I feel for you Maggie’s Partner. Had dinner with my millennial children in the weekend and I was surprised, and pleased, to note that their woke attitudes have completely turned around.
  They are as aware and concerned about Labour’s push to implement Apartheid as I am. Despite the conspiracy of the MSM to suppress this, and the National party being absent, the message is sinking in
  As an aside, having said National is absent, I have personal experience in confronting the Maori sovereignty issue face to face and found it a bruising experience I have not much stomach to repeat.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:44am
  - JerJer
    
    Unfortunately for the whitey woke activists and the few maori that care about their own language, the reality is for them, that currently maori would be the third or fourth language in terms of the population that speak it (remembering only a small percentage of the 15% of the population that are maori speak or even care about it). Chinese and Hindu are already ahead most probably on a population basis as are a few computer languages I would suspect.
    
    All of this seperatist nonsense is just going to result in resentment from the rest of the population and further embedd maori on the bottom rung of the ladder as the Chinese and Indian immigrants move on on up.
    
    Chinese and Indians arrive here from the real world, where life is actually tough going, and people really don’t just get hand outs and hugs to get ahead. They have no time for complaining about what someone did to their fathers fathers father that is directly responsible for them being in the situation they now find themselves in which is everyone elses fault.
    
    The longer this goes on, the worse the outcome will be for the instigators of this continual complaining and pointless activism.
    
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    April 28, 2021 12:01pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Which is why I’ve pretty much sold up and moved everything possible offshore, beyond the reach of this government.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:51am
  - Aunty
    
    She will find it and she will tax it. Remember, tax is love, comrade.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:21am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Fortunately I’m a tax resident of another country
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:10am
      - Miritu
        
        Wavey – paying tax at a lower rate than NZ will not help you. IRD will tax you at NZ rates, and then allow you to deduct any foreign tax paid. Re property capital gains, the same rules would apply as here i.e a gradual move toward full capital gains tax.
        
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        April 28, 2021 3:45pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Not when it’s set up as company/corporation tax
        
        And many jurisdictions don’t share income information with the NZ IRD – they actually believe in privacy for their citizens too
        
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        April 28, 2021 8:01pm
  - Raniera
    
    That’s great news, WaveyDavey. Hopefully, your plans to leave New Zealand (permanently), for Costa Rica, Malta, Slovenia, or wherever, are also well advanced.
    
    Please tell us they are.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:34am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Very much so. Thanks for asking.
      
      Properties already purchased in the UK and Aus still looking for one in the Med but Covid’s made that a little difficult
      
      Still keeping a place in NZ with my partner to ensure NZ Super eligibility for us both though
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:13am
      - Raniera
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Glad to hear it.
        
        I’m not surprised to see you admit that you’re just another lousy, right-wing, user/exploiter.
        
        The sooner you’re out of here, the better.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:25am
      - Rich Prick
        
        If you are looking for a bargain, apartment projects stalled by the GFC in the Andalusia region are back on stream and in over supply. You can get a decent two bed close to, if not on the Med for under €250k, Marbella excepted.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:26am
      - Miritu
        
        As long as you remain a tax resident of NZ you’ll be liable for NZ tax on worldwide income, regardless of tax residency anywhere else. Double tax agreements may relieve you of paying tax twice on the same income. You need to leave NZ permanently & break ties to become “non-resident” &
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:52am
      - Raniera
        
        Ha, ha, ha. You’re a funny guy, Rich Prick — not.
        
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        April 28, 2021 11:06am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Davey, on the same note as Rich Prick, there’s a lovely little seaside town in south west Portugal called Luz that is worth a look.
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:45pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Oh dear Raniera
        
        Your poverty of ambition is not my problem, responsibility of concern
        
        Clearly sucks to be you
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:54pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Miritu – Income yep. Well if it (a) can be tracked and (b) I’ll be paying tax at a much lower rate than will apply in NZ so I’ll be paying the requisite tax in the appropriate jurisdiction so NZ IRD doesn’t get a look-in
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:56pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @RP – cheers for that, I will have a look.
        
        TBH Almeria was already looking promising 🙂
        
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        April 28, 2021 2:00pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Why would he need to leave when you can’t thieve anything else from him.
      Picking your government like you would pick a service provider is a smart move and it’s not his fault that you are stuck with Telecom.
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:14am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Laughably Raniera, I think you will find it’s the left wing supporters who are the users and exploiters. I’d suggest that Davey will just be collecting back via Super some of what he paid in taxes. Taxes that also support all the benny’s in NZ.
      Did you know that over 50% of NZ’rs pay no net tax? ie: they receive more from the Government than they pay in tax? Straight from Cindy’s tax working group. So I’d slow up on the “user and exploiter” nonsense.
      
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      April 28, 2021 1:39pm
    - CommanderC
      
      I think it means he could move to a country where he still pays 25-30% tax
      
      But there the money is used to improve the country for the vast majority of the population or lift people up for the bottom 10% of citizens.
      
      Instead of like NZ where taxpayers’ money is used to fund the lifestyle of 10% of the population who spend the day smoking dope (paid by taxpayers), going to the gym (paid by taxpayers), lounging at home watching movies (paid by taxpayers), f***ing different partners to get more taxpayer handouts (paid by taxpayers), and psychologically and physically abusing the children or step-children they are supposedly to be looking after (paid by taxpayers).
      
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      April 28, 2021 4:01pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Bingo!
        
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        April 28, 2021 7:59pm
- NoCash
  
  Have you spoken with the girls at tennis for their insightful views? ;-p
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:53am
  - Maggie's partner
    
    you’d have to ask my partner, I have nothing to do with that nest of scurrilous harridans
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:07am
  - RockyJ
    
    Would love to know
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:26am
- Keith White
  
  I still think it is worth pushing back politely and firmly on an individual level with other individuals and small groups – local MPs and council members, professional associations (I have attended my first ever General Meetings for my profession’s national association in the last 3 years – not cheap to do…), speaking at parliamentary Select Committee hearings, and so forth. If enough of us do it the voices while ignored are still heard. While it may not result in any changes, it’s what I can do so I do it.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:44am
  - doublehappy
    
    Thanks.
    
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    April 28, 2021 11:06am
- raven
  
  Maggie’s partner, I completely agree. It’s disheartening watching the 6pm news now, bunch of woke puppets trying to scare us with Covid. I watched it for the first time in weeks last night, and won’t again for a while. Wokeness and removal of targets is everywhere and nothing gets achieved and the cycle continues.
  
  I’ve decided to work on my own plans and goals for financial freedom and not succumb to mediocrity.
  
  Stuff them. I’m the person walking the opposite way to the COVID arrows in the supermarket isles, the person bypassing the QR code scanning queues of sheep and the person not sucked into the vacuous spin of Jacinda. I’m glad that in this forum at least, I’m not alone.
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:52am
- Bullion
  
  Our debt is not that bad, its like 30 odd % of GDP which compared to other countries is really good (UK 80 odd %, US is over 100%, Japan 200%) and was just under 60% in the early 90s.
  
  The cultural stuff, things change – I don’t think the media are ahead of the public just what most are at ease with.
  
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  April 28, 2021 1:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    The new gold standard .
    
    We’re not the shittest.
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:33pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  “Bewitched former National voters who misguidedly switched to Labour are too busy justifying what they now realise was a foolish move.”
  Another mind reader.
  
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  April 28, 2021 1:27pm
- [email protected]
  
  National might be playing the long game. Watching Labour slowly self-destruct and not wanting to do anything to stop them doing so.
  
  When your enemy is digging themselves into a hole, it is not wise to show them how to stop.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:02pm
Don Beckett

The manufacturing of a mas psychosis – the march of totalitarianism – will things ever return?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdzW-S8MwbI
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April 28, 2021 8:02am
- softail 1450
  
  Don Beckett, Excellent, thanks for that.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  Some people will believe anything and accept interference and constrictions in their lives – often because of who demands it.
  Ms Jacinda Ardern has captured that market to an alarming extent.
  One day the people will wake up from their complacent slumbers and start some realistic,honest assessment of our current and future situations, instead of relying on the comforting advice of one “kind” person.
  Hopefully it won’t be too late.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:18am
- Maggie Pie
  
  The Rape of the Mind.
  Should have a warning – ‘Disturbing Images’
  All a bit early for me 🙁
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:19am
- tf78
  
  Don, I tried to email that video and the postmaster rejected it – what does that tell you.
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:04am
  - SB2
    
    Try Copy and Paste the You Tube into your email.
    
    Simple really and will help you not to feed your paranoia.
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:27am
    - tf78
      
      SB – I sent it from my mobile no problem.
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:49am
    - Don Beckett
      
      “Simple really and will help you not to feed your paranoia”
      
      Stupid boy SB2.
      
      He fails to see that the video is made for people like him – but as the video says, he is too comfortable in his submission to notice that he has a problem.
      
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      April 28, 2021 11:33am
- cha
  
  So many academies of ideas, so much clap-trap.
  
  https://academyofideas.org.uk/about-the-academy-of-ideas/
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:05pm
Observer of Life

I asked this question in GD last week, but it appeared to vanish.
Does anyone know anything about a closed High Court session in AKL last August, apparently involving our Jethro?
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April 28, 2021 8:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Common knowledge at the Tennis Club.
  But my lips are sealed.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:44am
  - Maggie's partner
    
    True
    
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    April 28, 2021 8:51am
  - Observer of Life
    
    MP: Possession? Dealing? Or….
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:11am
- Albert_Ross
  
  If they do, they have no business reporting it here and if they do I hope the mods are ready with a ton of bricks
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:11am
  - Keith White
    
    A_R: It’s hardly irrelevant to sound governance if a partner of someone senior in Government is susceptible to blackmail.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:45am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      The session was closed. The people who took the decision to make it so know more about the facts of the case than any of us here.
      
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      April 28, 2021 12:24pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    A-R: Bollocks. Why not report it here? I’ve note mentioned HIS real name. Incredible if this is true, why should HE be given a privilege you and I would not have received? Just because he’s aligned with ‘she who must be obeyed’!!!
    
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    April 28, 2021 12:19pm
Tony Stuart

Tova O’Brien is at it again:

Newshub has been leaked an abridged, sanitised version of National’s election review, which was sent to party members on Tuesday night. It’s an 18-page hodgepodge of recommendations from both the election review and a separate review led by former National Party leader Jim McLay into the party’s structure and governance.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/national-party-election-review-revealed-unrelenting-focus-m-ori-representation-calling-out-bad-behaviour-and-the-merv-rules.html

Leaked, Tova? Your own story spells it out; an email “was sent to party members on Tuesday night”. It landed in my inbox at 6.01pm last night, and in the inboxes of every member of the party. It’s hardly Top Secret stuff.

But here’s a thought; do you think it’s possible that a member of the Newshub political team has joined the National Party, paying the low minimum fee? What a way to get “confidential” information from a political party, that you can then dress up as a leak!
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April 28, 2021 8:13am
- tf78
  
  Tony, I received mine yesterday. Leak my foot! Click bait, click bait, click bait – shock horror.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:27am
- chukar
  
  Where ,oh where is there a focus on all New Zealand,their health wealth and productivity?
  Not even mentioned.All about themselves ,the party and getting elected!
  A report that apparently does not care about core values,freedom and one NZ.
  
  National you are an absolute disgrace
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:29am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It’s not a report on future policy Chukar. It’s a wrap of the clusterf*ck that was the 2020 election campaign, and you can be sure that not every party member accepts every one of the recommendations.
    
    The upcoming round of Regional conferences is going to be very interesting indeed, because rank and file party members will have the opportunity to be heard. I’m off to the LNI conference in Napier in ten days, and I am sure there will be some robust debate.
    
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    April 28, 2021 8:42am
    - kowtow
      
      It’s as simple as “Go Woke , Go Broke”
      
      If the Nats go woke , they’ll be dog tucker . Might take a while but there’s change in the air .
      
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      April 28, 2021 9:10am
    - rockape
      
      Even Judith doesnt. especially re Maori privilege on boards candidates etc. Judith interview “We have to understand that we either have a country built on a separate system for Māori versus every other New Zealander, or we have a system that is based on equality and on bringing opportunity through to every New Zealander, irrespective of face.”
      “We will not stand for a separatist New Zealand. We will stand for a New Zealand where everyone gets equal opportunity, and we’re able to help everyone to come through to the best of their ability and their own self-determination.”
      
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      April 28, 2021 2:23pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      National are between a rock and a hard place Tony and could be for a long time. It’s a very hard situation. A lot of people have welcomed the health reforms but Judith is immediately against them. You, a loyalist, are now talking about dissent in the party without realising that is part of the problem. Meanwhile, the National’s pet Act is taking National for a walk instead of the other way around.
      Talk about copping a curveball when the history is clear Labour lost power when they lost the Maori vote, it was the same for National 9 years later. I think the National hierarchy has finally understood that but the question is how do they sell it to people like you that it is a time for a change.
      Mathew Hooten wrote a couple of weeks ago that a lot of National’s policy is on the hoof, and not researched thoroughly. Getting that right would be a good start. Take note of Labour being settled under a single leader while there’s no certainty about Judith at times. Fixing that would be a good start by there being confidence in Judith. And who better to talk about health reforms in National than Shane Reti and why not delay critical comments until seeing which way the dust settled with broad public opinion and comment?
      As I’ve written before JK was the master at taking over good Labour ideas, Jacinda does the same in a slightly different way with a loyal team behind her.
      
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      April 28, 2021 2:27pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Do you seriously think that having intelligent thoughts and well crafted policies to promote New New Zealanders’ health, wealth and productivity is what will win the election?
    
    On the contrary. If National do have any of the above, they would do better to keep it all well hidden until after they’ve got into Government. It’s unfortunate that what you have to say to be successful during an election, is so completely at odds with what you have to do to be successful after it; but that’s the reality.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:17am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Agree Albert – worked well for the Labour Party who spent their nine long years in Opposition doing absolutely nothing except opening the pay cheque and going on trips and meetings of various kinds – no policy development much at all.
      That’s why they had to spend those $millions on working groups to tell them what to do after the election.
      National- is this your plan also?
      
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      April 28, 2021 1:01pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Please be kind to Tova, Tony. After all, she’s a girl…
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:48am
  - softail 1450
    
    Suze, that’s been disputed on many blogs.
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:36am
- Bob
  
  Just another example of Tova’s accurate reporting of political events.
  Why ‘research’ when you can ‘cherry pick’ for effect.
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:32pm
cmm

These women that partner with gangsters have very strange brains. Look at this one that was the partner of the murdered Dan Hawkins.

“Coleman told Stuff she wanted to know why someone would viciously attack the “cuddly teddy bear” her daughter thought of as a father. “

How many cuddly teddy bears have mob tattoos on their faces?

“Coleman said the man she knew was kind, caring, passionate and genuine”

“At the time of his death, Hawkins was on electronically monitored bail for alleged family violence-related offending against Coleman.” … so just a cuddly teddy bear that likes to put in the bash.

“Although he was a former Aotearoa Mongrel Mob gang associate, Hawkins had no associations with criminals at the time of his death, Coleman said.” C’mon pull the other one. Someone with a facial tattoo is not loosely associated with a gang.

These sob stories are ridiculous attempts to normalise the gangster lifestyle. How can Stuff have the gall to run stories like this while still putting up blame pieces about domestic violence etc?

Here’s a hint ladies: If you want to significantly reduce your chance of being a domestic violence victim then find a good man. Don’t serve it up so gangsters and violent thugs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124957534/second-tragedy-for-christchurch-woman-whose-partner-was-stabbed-to-death
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April 28, 2021 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  These women who keep going back to homicidal maniacs have a mental illness. They think nothing can ever change.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness?wprov=sfla1
  
  A friend told me about a family member in Christchurch. She got bashed by her gang boyfriend. Face all smashed up. She was found by a Housing New Zealand worker doing the rounds. Anyway the guy went to prison for a couple of years and before long she was visiting him in prison. Then on release she hooked up with him again. And got bashed again. Apparantly she got help, changed her name and moved far away.
  
  Once young people reach about 14 they would really benefit from education about partner choice. Choosing the wrong partner has huge consequences, especially if there are children involved.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  Years and years ago I did the court reporting for our local newspaper.
  At the time, bikie gangs were causing trouble in many areas of our fair country.
  One court case was to do with an assault among gang members involving two young ladies.
  One girl was an associate of the guys who rode British sourced motor bikes.
  The other with those who had the more recently introduced Japanese made bikes.
  The magistrate was having difficulty getting to the bottom of what had happened with this girl assaults girl stoush and getting frustrated with their inability to give a credible account.
  Finally he asked one of these teenagers “exactly why did you attack this girl?”
  The eventual answer was that it was because the other girl was a “Ricie” (as in rice).
  That’s all it took. One’s beloved had a British bike, the other a Japanese one – gotta fight for it.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:34am
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: Some years ago I had a conversation with a police sergeant who had worked in Tokoroa for some time. He told me he saw some gang moll he knew quite well on the street, and in the course of casual conversation, asked after her gang member partner.
  
  She said she had left him, and when the cop asked why, she said “Oh, he doesn’t love me any more because he stopped giving me the bash when I needed it.”
  
  That’s one fucked up young woman.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:08am
RockyJ

Way to go National! Newshub reports you are going to focus more on Maori and embed the Treaty of Waitangi into your constitution.
How thick are you? Don’t you understand the NZ electorate is sick of pandering to Maori? Don’t you understand that just as you will never outspend Socialists in the same way you will never out-woke them?
It would have been a good thing to aim to make your team more representative of NZ’s current racial mix. But when are you going to make a stand on one of the biggest threats to our society coming down at us, namely the Labour government’s current push to implement apartheid via He Puapua.
Wake up National and stand up for what is the right thing, and stop aping the wet dreams of the woke progressive liberals.
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April 28, 2021 8:14am
- Souvlaki
  
  It is difficult to come to any other rational conclusion than the Nats have irrevocably lost the plot!
  The old saying ” common sense is very uncommon” springs to mind.
  We dont NEED another bloody Labour Party FFS…NZ is fucked!?
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Totally agree. I just could not vote National ever again. They need a new young leader. They need to clear out the dead wood like Brownlee and bloody Nick Smith. That new leader needs to give a major speech, declaring that we are one nation.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:34am
  - EssenX
    
    I have no idea why Brownlee and Smith hung on after the last election. Thank you for your service, but you lost your electorate seats so take the hint, move on, and give an opportunity for someone new with some energy to start getting some experience and exposure in Parliament well before the next election. The right likes to laugh at troughers, but there are certainly some big ones in National.
    
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    April 28, 2021 8:57am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Quite so. Yes, Brownlee has significant institutional knowledge, but Chris Bishop has already proved to be a very capable Shadow Leader of the House. And frankly, I can’t see Nick Smith ever holding a significant portfolio in a future National government, and having been in Parliament for more than thirty years, it’s time for him to move on.
      
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      April 28, 2021 9:26am
      - DeepBlue
        
        There is a time for everything. Some time 2021 will be fine. National need to refresh their list and candidates as a higher priority.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:00am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Why, when Mallard hates him so? Nick is a fine repository of the knowledge of how Parliament is intended to function.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:38am
      - Bullion
        
        If Bishop comes in, he’s not going to be your ultra conservative ‘white knight’ and is probably more liberal socially than a lot of National (and the Catholic crew)
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:06pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        National need to refresh their list and candidates as a higher priority.
        
        @ DeepBlue – the problem for National is that they lost so many sitting MP’s last time around that only two of the next ten from the 2020 List have not been MP’s before, Nancy Lu (#26) and Dale Stephens (#29). Harete Hipango (#21) is the next MP on the list to be eligible to fill a vacancy, followed in quick succession by Jonathan Young, Tim McIndoe, Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi and Paulo Garcia. Whether any or all of those would turn down the list placing is anyone’s bet; I know McIndoe has moved on, and I’ve heard Young isn’t really interested in returning to Wellington, but we won’t know for sure until there are resignations, and the Electoral Commission contacts them to offer them a seat in the House.
        
        The next really new blood on the List is Katie Nimon from Napier, who was ranked at #45 last year
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:59pm
  - kowtow
    
    One nation , under Mao.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      We already have a Chief Cat.
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We are no longer one Nation: Ardern’s lot has gone a long way in splitting it. Further activity will see an internal race-war among the tribes.
    
    The cuddly got the Govt they deserved. Parliament has been taken over so Cinders now taxes in her own right.
    
    Land rights have been secured too so long as you are a Maori activist and occupy whatever you desire.
    
    If only we a French solution.
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:37am
- igm
  
  Makes Act more attractive by the day, even my grandchildren have turned to them . . . anything but leeching Labour!
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:38am
- Paulus
  
  Maori for 16% of the population now play an exponentially increasing part of our society.
  For example the Tauranga Council Commissioners have decided virtually to no longer have votes for Councillors – they are appointing three Maori out of four new ones to the principle committees which are currently Maori dominated anyway.
  Of course none of the fine people have been elected but appointed.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:40am
  - I remember when
    
    It isn’t the 16% of the population that play an exponentially increasing part of our society.
    Most of the 16% continue to live life as usual without having any influence.
    It’s the percentage of Maori that are in privileged positions.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:33am
    - RockyJ
      
      Agree. The enemy here is not Maori in general but more often their cowardly white woke enablers.
      
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      April 28, 2021 9:53am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Are the enemy the “useful idiots”?
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:41am
      - Jack5
        
        A reminder, the Tauranga City Council commissioners:
        
        – Former National list MP Anne Tolley, chairwoman;
        
        – Bill Wasley, former Tauranga council executive;
        
        – Stephen Selwood, founding chief executive of Infrastructure NZ;
        
        – Shadrach Rolleston, with a background in the public service and experience of Treaty claims negotiation.
        
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        April 28, 2021 3:08pm
      - RockyJ
        
        KevO’Brien, the expression “useful idiots” is particularly apt for environmentalists who ally with Maori activists. They use Maori leverage on things like coastal claim rights to agitate for conservation gains. They surrender sovereignty to gain protection for nature. The Maori activists exploit their naivety to gain sovereignty plus customary harvesting rights.
        They are easily bullied by the Maoris. It’s pathetic.
        
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        April 28, 2021 4:31pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I think the party hierarchy is going to be surprised at the depth of feeling grassroots members of the party have on these issues.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:44am
  - BAM
    
    Why are they so disconnected from the membership?
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:00am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Because Labour says so.
      The reality is vastly different and this present lot are going to get their full legal rejection quicker then they imagine.
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:43am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    For example, the question “Do you agree that The Treaty should be added to the Party’s Constitution, in the Vision and Values section?” will be up for debate. It’s by no means a given that the membership will agree.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:32am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Well IMO it should. National should have a policy to review and repeal. The current co-governance agenda is not what the Brits signed up to at Waitangi.
      
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      April 28, 2021 11:47am
      - rockape
        
        We have to understand that we either have a country built on a separate system for Māori versus every other New Zealander, or we have a system that is based on equality and on bringing opportunity through to every New Zealander, irrespective of face.”
        “We will not stand for a separatist New Zealand. We will stand for a New Zealand where everyone gets equal opportunity, and we’re able to help everyone to come through to the best of their ability and their own self-determination.” Judith Collins
        
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        April 28, 2021 2:25pm
- Yabster
  
  not a word from National re He Puapua- disgrace- at least they have said the would reverse the Maori Health Board. ACT are looking good.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:54am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    National are giving ACT a huge opportunity to outpoll them in 2023.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:10am
    - igm
      
      Get rid of Goodfellow and give that chap Bayly some breathing space; not Mitchell, even though he is a bloody good chap he does not have that extra bit like Bayly.
      
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      April 28, 2021 9:24am
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree. I sometimes listen to Mitchell vs Nash on the Hosking show and Mitchell doesn’t even get a word in, let alone something meaningful and vote grabbing. Nash talks a load of crap but at least he is talking the talk.
        
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        April 28, 2021 2:38pm
    - Philview
      
      ACT’s calling for a debate and resolution on China’s genocide is a very clever ploy. While it appears to be going nowhere it already has Labour and National ducking for cover. I am a National voter and want the party to show some ideological spine. I can see ACT being the main opposition party soon.
      
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      April 28, 2021 9:30am
      - EssenX
        
        100%
        
        I really want this to be voted on. It’s going to put a lot of pressure on both Labour and National, and could give Act the opportunity to continue to shine as the principled party.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:31am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I think people need to understand that National is facing an unprecedented shadowbanning from NZs corrupt media, paid for by Ardern using taxpayers money.
    
    From Facebook and Twitter this morning, unfortunately, these are the only censorship-free platforms available to them atm.
    
    Judith Collins
    1 hr ·
    National opposes the Government’s proposed Māori Health Authority and the veto powers it will have over the rest of the health system.
    The Government says it has a te Tiriti obligation to segregate healthcare, dividing us into Māori and everyone else. As far as we’re concerned, segregation was an appalling idea last century and it remains an appalling idea.
    Before Labour rushes down this path, they need to pause and consider where segregated systems will lead us. A separate education system or justice system?
    Labour needs to be honest with Kiwis about how they are interpreting the Treaty and how far they intend to take ‘co-governance’. We can argue the language and meaning of the Treaty, but the Prime Minister and her Government should at least be open and transparent about how they are approaching it.
    The Government’s Cabinet Paper reveals the Māori Health Authority will also have the power to veto any decision made by Health NZ. What does the Government hope to achieve by separating our healthcare along racial lines and then placing the power of veto in the hands of one race-based institution?
    Equality is a core value of the National Party and we will not budge on our position that every New Zealander, no matter their race, should have access to the same rights and opportunities including access to healthcare.
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:30am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I don’t want Maori messing with my or my family’s health.
      
      Who’s given Cinders regal power to do as she pleases?
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:45am
- kowtow
  
  Key , the Great Messiah , opened the door for that separatism .
  
  He had lots of charisma , but not a lot of constitutional smarts .
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:12am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yes. Don Brash had the vision to see where we were heading and wanted to change tack and promote equal rights for all. It’s a great shame he never got to be PM. He would have done far more in 3 years than Key ever did in 3 terms.
    
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    April 28, 2021 11:56am
- Unity
  
  I too am sick and tired of everything to do with Maori. There aren’t any Maori today – only people with part in their make-up. It’s long overdue to do away with everything to do with race and start treating us all as New Zealanders. Dividing us racially is not going to end well. However, too many people are remaining silent so this is not helping to get us all on the same footing.
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:50am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Rocky I think your entire post should have been inserted as the Executive Summary at the front of this report. You’ve captured precisely what National needs to do, and what’s wrong with them at present. Very well said sir.
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:54pm
Simon

Those concerns were echoed by assistant Māori Commissioner for Children Glenis Philip-Barbara.
Philip-Barbara (Ngāti Uepōhatu and Ngāti Porou) said Aotearoa was teetering on the brink of a generation raised in motels, and New Zealanders could not accept that as being okay.

While she applauded the government’s efforts to combat child poverty, she said they needed to act urgently in dealing with children living in emergency accommodation.

She said Māori were overrepresented on the housing waitlist and the effects would be felt for generations to come.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018791400/motel-generation-feared-as-emergency-housing-need-continues

So the gubermint has to step in. What about all these billion dollar Iwis? Iwi now have the economic and political resources to solve the maori housing waitlists. Why don’t maori themselves take the initiative?

Big maori Iwi leaders don’t wait for the gubermint. Start spending your own money on solving a major maori social issue – which takes the pressure off the whole problem which is oh so important.

Maori are in partnership with the Crown apparently. This is a racket works one way though. Professional Maori are in partnership with the Crown otherwise the likes of Glenis Philip-Barbara wouldnt be crying to the gubermint for them to think of the maori children.
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April 28, 2021 8:20am
- cmm
  
  “Aotearoa was teetering on the brink of a generation raised in motels, and New Zealanders could not accept that as being okay. ”
  
  So, like always, Aotearoa is broken but it is New Zealand’s duty to fix it.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:41am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Well said cmm
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:06am
  - Keith White
    
    …and pay for it.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:47am
  - RockyJ
    
    Brilliant cmm. I would like to use that “Aotearoa is broken but it’s New Zealand’s duty to fix it”
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:50am
    - cmm
      
      Whatever floats your boat.
      
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      April 28, 2021 12:11pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Even the most dedicated know it is a step too far to print: Nga Aotearoa or Aotearoans.
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Below is a link to the Treaty of Waitangi. Please find me any reference to the words Aotearoa and Partnership. Whilst you are at it, see if you can find anything that says or suggests non-Maori shall provide accommodation for Maori.
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/treaty/read-the-treaty/english-text
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:28am
  - cmm
    
    It will be in the Maori text and because Maori is not a written language the words should not be pegged down to have one meaning.
    
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    April 28, 2021 11:29am
    - Observer of Life
      
      CMM: It’s definitely NOT in the Maori text.
      
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      April 28, 2021 12:13pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yep, and anyway “that’s not what we meant at the time.”
      
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      April 28, 2021 12:56pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Please provide the e-mail address of anyone who was there at the time in order that I can track this missing ingredient of the law down.
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:27pm
    - Nickc2
      
      The Maori text is on the next page. You won’t find any mention of Aotearoa.
      
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      April 28, 2021 2:19pm
- Unity
  
  There should be no Partnership between Maori and the Crown. Where in the Treaty does it say this? Nowhere!! When the Treaty was signed we were still being administered from NSW.
  
  The Treaty is NOT our founding document. Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter/Letters Patent is our true founding document. It annexed us from NSW on 16 November 1840 and was enacted on 3 May 1841, giving us our first Governor, legal and justice system, one law, flat etc. So many people do not know this and it has been suppressed by successive Governments.
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    You are quite correct Unity. I don’t believe you will find that fact included in our school’s ‘NEW’ NZ History Curriculum.
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:47pm
  - Unity
    
    Error – I should have said flag, not ‘flat’, on second to last line.
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:17pm
Mike

Happy Workers Memorial Day!
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April 28, 2021 8:22am
- Tall Man
  
  You need to be dead to be memorialised …….. How fucking “happy” is that?
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:47am
Maggie Pie

If Australia goes to war with China – whose side are we on?
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April 28, 2021 8:24am
- CherryCat
  
  The Taniwha’s?
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:19am
  - CommanderC
    
    lolol
    
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    April 28, 2021 4:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Drag all your old Hippy stuff out of your wardrobe Maggie, it may come in useful. Cindy, Nania and Marama will be leading a peace march somewhere.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:43pm
Wayne Mapp

India must have a much higher Covid rate than is being publicly reported. Around 30,000 people die in India every day. Covid is reportedly killing about 3,000 per day, which would be a 10% increase in overall deaths. But what we are seeing appears to be much more than a 10% increase, or else they would not be resorting to desperate measures around cremations.

India accepts that it is under reporting covid. Anecdotally that must be true. A significant percentage of arrivals into New Zealand tested positive for covid, up to 10% on some flights.

I would not be surprised if the real covid infection rate is 3 time the official count, and deaths similarly much higher.

Australia has just closed the borders to India, just as NZ is reopening them. The reasons for the NZ closure a couple of weeks ago have got much worse. The government needs to extend the closure for at least another 2 weeks.
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April 28, 2021 8:25am
- Maggie's partner
  
  My partner just reminded me of Rowan Atkinson’s great line. “I have nothing against Indian immigrants, but now that we have got all their recipes……..”
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Their accent is so much easier to copy too…
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:48am
- cmm
  
  Clearly the infection rate is likely much higher, but that does not necessarily mean the death rate is much higher.
  
  Many, perhaps most, of those that test positive on the flights will be asymptomatic and will never develop serious symptoms.
  
  I suppose it all comes down to how you count the death rate. If someone dies and tests positive do you count that as a CV19 death?
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:46am
  - Tall Man
    
    How come we get Indian Kiwis returning home with a positive covid test yet none get hospitalised or medically treated yet they die from “covid” in India?
    
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    April 28, 2021 8:49am
    - cmm
      
      It’s all in the numbers because India has such a massive population.
      
      If, say, 1% of people that get infected die and 10% get infected (ie. 1000 per million), then that’s 1.2million deaths.
      
      So far India have had a relatively low death rate (according to official numbers) around 200,000 or about 160 per million. That’s not even a tenth of the UK numbers (1900 per million).
      
      They also have a lower median age than Europe/West which shifts things in their favour.
      
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      April 28, 2021 11:41am
    - Paulus
      
      It is reported that many wealthy Indians – and there are many – are chartering aircraft to get them and their families out of India.
      Hope we can monitor all aircraft correctly.
      
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      April 28, 2021 1:50pm
  - Cinematic
    
    The COVID positive returnees must be putting quite a strain on Auckland’s health system right? Nope. Not at all. Zero.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:02am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Quite a good perspective on the situation in India here, like always things are not as simple as the media would like you to believe. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/27/the-truth-about-the-covid-crisis-in-india/
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:09am
      - kowtow
        
        Excellent articles.
        
        https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/2021/04/indias-current-covid-crisis-in-context/
        
        I wonder why govts such as ours and Joe Biden’s now virtue signalling aid , didn’t bother over the everyday crisis there of a child dying every two minutes of diahrea and pneumonia.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:36am
      - SB2
        
        Can we safely say it’s OK to resume flights from India?
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:39am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No, we can’t. Given the Government’s risk-averse stance towards Covid-19, this is a very questionable decision.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:46am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    According to you and KK cmm both India and Sweden should have herd immunity by now?
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:49pm
    - cmm
      
      Why? It takes a huge infection rate for herd immunity to come about.
      
      THis CV19 stuff will, effectively, die out just like the Spanish Flu did. Spanish Flu was many times worse.
      
      And, like Spanish Flu, it will not go away completely but just lurk in the background.
      
      But people like you are probably incapable of understanding that.
      
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      April 28, 2021 6:52pm
- Cinematic
  
  Why do you think the COVID deaths would be a 10% increase in overall deaths?
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:47am
  - fernglas
    
    27,000 per week usually, plus 3,000.
    
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    April 28, 2021 8:57am
    - Cinematic
      
      Not great at math?
      
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      April 28, 2021 9:03am
      - AJL
        
        So its an 11.11% increase is what you are saying?
        
        That’s close enough to 10% that there really isn’t reason to quibble.
        The mathematics is fine- for casual conversation we don’t have to get things perfect.
        
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        April 28, 2021 10:10am
  - cmm
    
    The worst day so far in India has recorded 3000 deaths from CV19.
    
    Big friggin deal.
    
    India has a HUGE population. About 50,000 die of all causes an average day in India. If 3000 of those have SARS-COV-2 infections at the time so what? Hardly a game changer.
    
    If they have to normally burn/bury 50,000 corpses a day (worse at some times of the year when sickness prevails), then 53,000 is hardly going to be a problem.
    
    The problems are due to CV19 responses screwing up the supply chain – not due to the actual deaths themselves.
    
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    April 28, 2021 6:59pm
- I remember when
  
  What you say could be true but the 10% of cases on flights without deaths, once they get to NZ, doesn’t support your argument.
  India at present still has very low deaths per million and Asian countries have relatively low death number from covid.
  There is a need for in depth reporting without the fear factor.
  The rules are still the same – take care if you are 60+.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    Other factors ;
    
    Indian cities are notoriously polluted so their lungs are going to be shot to hell .
    
    Cooking ; how much cooking is done in enclosed spaces with charcoal ? That’ll bugger anyone long term ( and is a long standing issue in 3 rd world countries which already have massive upper respiratory illness death rates , even before the virus escaped that fridge) But the Media Pardy never mention the basic underlying health issues that have allowed the Media Party to make this Wuflu appear so deadly.
    
    Crowded , unsanitary living conditions.
    ( Untouchables manually clear shit out of middle class housing complexes) and villagers still shit everywhere .They have very few actually connected toilets in the whole country but do have ;
    
    a huge blue water navy
    a nuclear weapons programme
    a space program.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:25am
- NoCash
  
  Reported by Eric, 13.5 million cases per day based on modeling using the confirmed cases.
  https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1386933995066245120
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:02am
  - [email protected]
    
    If India has 13.5M COVID19 cases a day then India will reach herd immunity in less than three months.
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:54pm
- kowtow
  
  What we’re seeing is another Media Party induced hysteria , like with Italy , New York etc
  
  There’s no science behind this .
  
  Just imagery and emotion designed to elicit a fear response . A reaction . It’s therefor propaganda.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:16am
  - SB2
    
    “There’s no science behind this” except your pseudo science?
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:41am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Science embraces scepticism: it doesn’t embrace ideology or close mindedness.
      Many labour people would be refugees from science or reality.
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:51am
      - Bullion
        
        Yes, science embraces scepticism but not in and of itself; hypothesis, test, theory.
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:15pm
      - Jack5
        
        Bullion, in the view of the great philosopher of science, Karl Popper:
        
        A theory in the empirical sciences can never be proven, but it can be falsified, meaning that it can and should be scrutinised by decisive experiments.
        
        I guess that entails your “embrace of scepticism”.
        
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        April 28, 2021 2:58pm
  - Dougal10
    
    All these storys are published to defend the PMs position and stop talk of her being a racist.
    
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    April 28, 2021 8:17pm
- Keith White
  
  From colleagues on the ground there, a lot of people are dying from the usual killers in India – diarrheal diseases, other infectious diseases such as TB, motor vehicle accidents etc. – and the staff shortages and supply chain disruptions are preventing those people from getting the treatment they need to survive (beds, IVs, antibiotics, oxygen etc.), not just the covid sufferers.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:50am
  - kowtow
    
    I wonder how much of their staff shortages is related to the west sucking up so many of their best and brightest ?
    
    And they are the among the best .
    
    But the west sapping the third world like this leaves them very vulnerable . Fair trade it aint.
    
    Don’t get me wrong , people must be free to chose what’s best for themselves but it won’t be good for the country they leave.
    
    Maybe Greta and the Screaming Girls of Climate Fear could ponder that .
    
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    April 28, 2021 10:12am
    - cmm
      
      No, not the West “sucking them up”. Those with the opportunities are voluntarily fleeing India to live in a less crappy place.
      
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      April 28, 2021 7:02pm
- DeepBlue
  
  The problem is the Covid linked deaths are being considered across the whole massive population and country. It would make much more sense to say how many extra deaths there are in the hot spot cities where the virus appears to be overwhelming those hospitals.
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:08am
  - Keith White
    
    I suggest – but cannot access numbers to prove – that the extra deaths from flattening the curve and failing to catch up are at least as significant as the covid deaths if not outnumbering them. Why suggest that? Because if the excess mortality was entirely covid, it would be easy to see and provide proof. Note the CDC in the US adjusted their 2020 Covid deaths down by 90% a while back. Not a typo: ninety percent. Good grief.
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:00pm
- cha
  
  It could well be three times the reported rate and still be way behind Europe and the US.
  
  (12,931 in every million people in India are reported to have contracted Covid. 98,997 in every million people in the USA are also reported to have contracted Covid.)
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:19pm
  - Inandout
    
    cha, and in 2019, before the plague, India was rated thus:
    ‘India leads the world in pollution-linked deaths– followed by China and Nigeria – according to a report published on Wednesday that estimated the global impact of contaminants in the air, water and workplace’.
    India is a filthy, polluted and disease ridden country.
    
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    May 12, 2021 5:03pm
I remember when

Is the new DHB plan a win, win for the Government.
Gets rid of a system that annoys, has annoyed, most people at least some of the the time. Although the implementation of the actual process is still largely a theory at the moment.
Bask in the glory of something that looks like it could be promising.
At the same time it takes the public pressure off the real problems of lack of GPs, allied health worker numbers, community workers and waiting lists.
As there doesn’t seem to be excess capacity, this would probably reduce the maximum waiting time but have no effect on the average time.
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April 28, 2021 8:33am
- Happychappy
  
  How can you replace a system that will be run by the same Ministry with the same Health Specialists that have never changed their ways and opinion in all the time they have been tasked with the job of making it work. Leopards don’t change there spots and those on the gravy train in the Health Ministry are the same top heavy and passed their used by date and if this is to work they have to clear out all the dead wood and start again.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:31am
  - Tricati
    
    And given this is the Ministry that oversaw the measles epidemic shambles, meningitis cock-up, lack of PEP for front line covid practitioners and supposedly introduced a ‘gold standard’ tracing system that was found to be crap.
    Having this ministry, and the newly formed Maori body, our health system is in for a very troubled time, and I suspect little health improvement at the coal face but a burgeoning bureaucracy that will suck funds at an alarming rate.
    
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    April 28, 2021 11:16am
Benedict Yu

So try this quick quiz. Without using Google, how many of you can recite the “Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi”?
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April 28, 2021 8:36am
- jp_1983
  
  Partnership
  Participation
  Protection
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:54am
  - kowtow
    
    Citation required.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:26am
  - Yabster
    
    you went wrong as soon as you typed partnership- that was made up by Geoffry f*cking Palmer…
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:11pm
- RoboRob
  
  From memory, the real ones are
  
  1: Maori to cede governorship to the crown
  2: Maori to gain the rights of English citizens
  3: Maori to maintain land ownership and access to waterways etc
  
  I believe the above matches the 3 actual sections in the treaty. All the other ‘gunk’ mentioned as ‘following the principles of the treaty’ as bs added in by those looking to legitimise their actions.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:01am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Koha
  Koha
  Koha
  
  ?
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:08am
- CherryCat
  
  There are none, zip, nil , zero. Fantasy-land to talk of treaty principles. There are only Articles, three of, simple to read and understand.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:23am
- Keith White
  
  Equal rights under law as British subjects. That’s it.
  
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  April 28, 2021 1:01pm
- Nickc2
  
  Why bother, they don’t mean Bat-Shit these days and that’s for dubious political reasons.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:26pm
- CommanderC
  
  Principles are:
  
  1. British Constitutional Government in NZ
  [at that time the main constitutional rights were
  a) no taxation of income
  b) right to bear arms for all protestants]
  
  2. Slavery to be abolished. All Maori, including former slaves, to be granted the rights of British subjects.
  
  3. English common law and property rights
  
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  April 28, 2021 4:13pm
  - CommanderC
    
    Let me re-phrase 1.
    
    1. Constitutional government in New Zealand, such government to be limited as in Britain.
    
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    April 28, 2021 4:21pm
Maggie Pie

New book out for ‘School Kiddies’

Can’t see it being too popular in The Grammar Zone 😀

https://twitter.com/griff_not/status/1386800638760153088
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April 28, 2021 8:38am
- H. Upmann
  
  It looks like something straight out of a 1960’s Soviet propaganda publication. Not for G/Zone for sure.
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:27pm
Greg Ettridge

India’s mortality from covid is sitting on 1%.
Death rate is 145 per million and sits at at 115 worst in the world.
Top of list Is Hungary 2799 per million
China 4 deaths in 12 months.
All these figures are just that, figures.
Notice the death rates overall are never reported.
Only ever report what can scare the sheep.
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April 28, 2021 8:42am
- Cinematic
  
  The best science around COVID is coming out of Sweden. Yes it will harvest and yes there will be an uptick in excess deaths and yes the health system can cope. Yes there is no genuine need to imprison your citizens.
  
  I ceased paying attention to media coverage of the America’s, India etc months ago. It’s not journalism it’s sensationalism. Usually involving wonky mental gymnastics like that performed by Wayne above.
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    I’m afraid it goes beyond sensationalism , but I’ll give you that .
    
    It is propaganda .
    
    They are taking these stories and presenting them in a manner to elicit an emotion : in this case fear .
    
    Politicians have either seized upon that to control us ( see Arderns’ phone call from a friend , very science based) or by others who were fearful the Media party would destroy them for “failing to act”
    
    You have to hand it to the Swedes , they did the right thing , as best they could.
    
    They had a plan , as most western countries did , and stuck to it.Every other country with a plan simply went with the media /polls narrative and have done long term damage to their economies, health , education etc systems .
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:30am
    - Steve Todd
      
      As at now, COVID-19 deaths in Sweden number 13,968, which is 1,376 deaths per million of population. (New Zealand: 26 and 5.)
      
      Theoretically (we’ll never know for sure), if we had followed the Swedish model, our equivalent number of deaths, today, would be 6,883!!
      
      Sweden could go with their plan, because they were not in election year — their next election is likely to be in September 2022. Our government did not have that luxury.
      
      Had the Swedish model been followed, we would now be suffering under a National-ACT NZ government, trembling with abject fear as we anticipate the horrors that Paul Goldsmith would be about to impose upon us in the 20 May Budget.
      
      Thank goodness for our Jacinda, and Ashley.
      
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      April 28, 2021 10:06am
      - Bullion
        
        And its not like Sweden has had NO restrictions and individuals did not take any precautions.
        
        Sweden is experiencing a third wave of the virus and the number of patients being treated in intensive care is at the highest level since the spring of last year.
        
        “When the strain on healthcare eases and the spread of infection drops, only then will the government be ready to start lifting restrictions,” Prime Minister Stefan Lofven told a news conference. “But we are not there yet.”
        
        The restrictions will be prolonged until mid-May and mean restaurants will have to close at 8.30 pm and that shops and malls can only let in limited numbers of customers. Sport venues and public pools will remain effectively closed to visitors.
        
        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-not-ready-lift-covid-restrictions-yet-pm-lofven-2021-04-22/
        
        Swedish police dispersed hundreds of people who had gathered in central Stockholm to protest coronavirus restrictions set by the government.
        
        Swedish authorities said today’s demonstration was illegal as it was held without permission. The rally was the first major protest against Sweden’s coronavirus restrictions.
        
        Stockholm police said on their website they decided to cut short the gathering just after it started when the number of participants exceeded the limits for public gatherings under Sweden’s pandemic laws.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-hundreds-gather-in-sweden-to-protest-new-pandemic-restrictions/KIDKZCPDEKAREMB5S2DLJHQMAE/
        
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        April 28, 2021 1:22pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        The question should be….why didnt Jacinda follow thru with her pledge to follow Taiwans example. The gold standard. Then a matter of days later do a complete reversal and announce the lockdown.!!!!
        
        And why do Kiwis keep comparing our situation to that of European countries with multiple land borders, high density living and in general poorer health…and the virus hitting during winter…
        
        Words fail me as to the ignorance of some posters…or are they just trolls?
        
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        April 28, 2021 3:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        And Taiwan has kept its economy and schools open.
        It’s economy has been far better protected than NZ’s.
        
        A water shortage affecting its big computer-chip foundries is a bigger economic problem than Covid 19.
        
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        April 28, 2021 3:25pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        As at now, COVID-19 deaths in Sweden number 13,968, which is 1,376 deaths per million of population.
        
        I followed the numbers from Sweden throughout 2020 and this was the result at the end of that year:
        
        The annual death rate for 2020 was 0.94%, compared to the average of 0.92% for the previous decade. Moreover the death toll is lower than it was in 2010-2012 and the same as 2013. I don’t recall any great wave of hysteria about those years.
        
        You’ll recall that it was predicted that Sweden was going to suffer worse than other nations because it had not gone full lockdown (true) and was instead going for “herd immunity” (false). Actually they went for “social distancing” and kept their schools, cafes and the like open.
        
        To put it bluntly, the excess deaths are just not there: the people who died with or of Covid-19 would have died of the flu or Pneumonia instead, just as they do every other year. The Swedes can be well satisfied that they didn’t crush their economy with extremist lockdowns.
        
        In the early stages of this pandemic we were informed that excess deaths were the key tell that something bad was happening. That was true for the months of April-May in much of the West. If we’re going to accept the measure of excess deaths for given months then we need to accept it for a year as well – and in the case of Sweden the excess deaths are simply not there for 2020.
        
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        April 28, 2021 5:06pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Sweden and other nordic countries fortify various staple foods with vitamin D so that there is far lower incidence of Vitimin D deficiency in their population, and so they have far lower number of Covid deaths than global average (where majority of populations are vitamin D deficient). In recent months (since they started more comprehensive testing) the Swedish CFR is only about 0.3-0.4% Iceland is about the same. most western countries are several times that level. Vitamin D supplements are a clear and cheap way to save a shit-load of lives
        
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        April 28, 2021 9:47pm
Maggie Pie

Speaking with Dev at the dairy last night.
He was saying thousands of his rich countrymen are chartering private planes to get out of the joint.

Just saying 🙁
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April 28, 2021 8:50am
- Steve Todd
  
  One thing’s for sure, Maggie. Those planes won’t be landing in Australia or New Zealand.
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Dev was also telling me that a person is dying every 4 minutes in Deli from Covid-19 and there had been a huge exodus to the UK and Dubai before the travel restrictions kicked in.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:35am
    - fernglas
      
      That would be 350 deaths from Covid per day in a city with a population of 18.68 million.
      
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      April 28, 2021 12:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      30,000 people die everyday in India.
      
      That’s about 20 every second so your point was?
      
      How come Indians infected with covid arrive in NZ and do not require any treatment while in isolation yet those same people die when they stay in India…. they say.
      
      Smart virus or gullible people, you decide Maggie.
      
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      April 28, 2021 3:34pm
  - Keith White
    
    Check out FlightTracker-style apps to see which jets of the Rich and Shameless land in Queenstown during the Covid border “control” time, cough cough.
    
    …China
    …US
    …India
    and quite some more…
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:04pm
  - Keith White
    
    Mostly to Southeast Asia and Middle East. Cashed-up passengers.
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:43pm
mikenmildagain

US private school won’t employ vaccinated teachers
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article250961279.html
Florida – need we say more?
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April 28, 2021 9:07am
Rusty

So Aust PM Scott Morrison is getting attacked by some in the lefty/anti-christian brigade over his pentecostal faith?

It seems they have taken exception to videos showing Morrison outwardly expressing his faith during a church service and even praying for Gods help for problems in Aust at the moment but according to them it is offensive looking !

Isn’t Scott Morrison entitled to practice his christian faith on a sunday away from his PM job?

Lefty socialism is not just about dismantling democracy but christianity as well.
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April 28, 2021 9:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think it is relevant for Australians to know that their prime minister believes he gets personal guidance from an imaginary friend.
  
  “I must admit I was saying to myself, ‘You know, Lord, where are you, where are you? I’d like a reminder if that’s OK,’” Morrison says.
  “And there right in front of me was the biggest picture of a soaring eagle that I could imagine and of course the verse hit me.
  “The message I got that day was, ‘Scott, you’ve got to run to not grow weary, you’ve got to walk to not grow faint, you’ve got to spread your wings like an eagle to soar like an eagle.’”
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:27am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Heh, heh, heh.
    
    I’ve said it before, Mike, and I’m saying it again now: You’re good — and funny.
    
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    April 28, 2021 11:15am
    - Tall Man
      
      In a very creepy way don’t you think?
      
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      April 28, 2021 3:30pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Tall Man!! I’m shocked! What on earth are you suggesting?
        
        In what possible way could my mate, mikenmildagain, be “creepy”?
        
        The guy’s brilliant. He’s intelligent, knowledgeable, and funny.
        
        Long may he continue to contribute his thoughts to this esteemed platform.
        
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        April 28, 2021 5:09pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Steve, be careful you don’t sneeze with that tongue in your cheek … 😉
        
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        April 28, 2021 9:20pm
  - cmm
    
    Which is really worse?
    
    A) Speaks to a benign imaginary friend.
    B) Believes in authoritarianism and communism?
    
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    April 28, 2021 11:24am
    - JibberJabber
      
      (c) bangs his head on the carpet?
      
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      April 28, 2021 12:32pm
    - Mike
      
      As if those were your only two choices…
      
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      April 28, 2021 12:37pm
  - Keith White
    
    So like a taniwha then?
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:04pm
    - Mike
      
      I’d love to read an argument for the existence of God but the nonexistence of taniwha.
      
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      April 28, 2021 5:30pm
  - NoFax
    
    If we were to divide leaders that sought higher guidance and those that don’t which group would be better?
    
    I would prefer leaders that humble themselves rather than make themselves gods and decide what is good and evil – the temptation that all atheist fall for.
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Few leave this earth without praying ……..
      
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      April 28, 2021 3:31pm
bythesea

Canadian govt sponsored lies about the ChCh shooter to smear conservative news outlet.

Interesting little story
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1386780831717502979
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April 28, 2021 9:20am
- Keith White
  
  Hope they sue her into penury.
  
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  April 28, 2021 1:05pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING…

“How far should we be prepared to go to help Indians with their crisis?”
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April 28, 2021 9:46am
- Tall Man
  
  How much does it cost to treat them here?
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:05pm
rangitoto

Interesting discussion on Magic talk about GP’s getting paid for patients registered with them even if they never go to the doctor but when the generally healthy patient does end up going to the doctor they get charged more. Who dreamed up such a weird system?
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April 28, 2021 9:47am
- Tall Man
  
  Paid a flat rate per patient and then it is in their interest to keep them healthy, proactive healthcare, what’s not to like?
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:06pm
- Ian Boag
  
  In the medical world – gummint paying GPs by capitation (patient on the books) vs fee for service – is a discussion that has been going on forever.
  
  The arguments for both are well understood and no clear (world-wide) consensus exists ….
  
  Go figure
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:18pm
- Sacha
  
  I pay $90 for my 2 yearly drivers licence ‘exam’. I’m jolly glad that I don’t have anything wrong with seaport from old age.
  I get an ‘eye’ test, and am asked silly questions about the supermarket, apparently to test my senility. The the Dr signs the form and I say ‘I’ll see you in a couple of years’ and he smiles knowingly. So far, I’m winning.
  I don’t have the ‘flu vac – I wonder if they’ll offer me the C-19?
  
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  April 28, 2021 5:47pm
ecco

It’s pathetic the way the NZ herald hides any anti government articles behind their paywall, knowing full well that Labour and Green voters are too tightwad to pay for a subscription, yet any article criticising National and the right are free to read and not hidden behind that paywall.

All of Joyce and Prebble’s excellent pieces are always hidden behind the paywall. I guess it’s the cosy little arrangement NZH have with Labour in order to gain access to the media slush fund grants but also look like they are showing views from the left and the right. ie the right leaning views are behind the paywall and the pro left wing views are all free.

I’m about to cancel my NZH sub again. Most of it’s just regurgitated Daily Mail drivel anyway.
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April 28, 2021 10:03am
- Ian Boag
  
  Joyce and Prebble write excellent articles that you would like to read. You value them so much that you are only willing to read them if they are free …
  
  ???
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:20pm
- DeepBlue
  
  I’m curious, are all the pay-walled articles included in the print edition?
  
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  April 28, 2021 5:53pm
AJL

Here’s a random Spinoff article of David Seymour’s free speech campaign.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-04-2021/a-night-of-free-speech-with-david-seymour/
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April 28, 2021 10:05am
- BananaLlama
  
  The questions (and perhaps more accurately comments) came from people who associated with the anti-lockdown group Voices for Freedom, who believe the government’s Covid response is an authoritarian power-grab. Anti-vax views were a particular focus, specifically the proposition that the Covid vaccine is being forced on the population. At one point, a visibly uncomfortable Seymour asked for a show of hands – who wanted to get back to talking about free speech, and who wanted to talk about the Covid response? It was impossible to count which got more votes
  
  Good grief. Bring back Billy TK.
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:59am
Maggie Pie

“Table 13 is throwing chairs at Table 8 again!!” 😀

https://twitter.com/Tr00peRR/status/1386616339150819333
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April 28, 2021 10:10am
kowtow

Anyone else noticed how freely the traffic flows during school holidays ?

Greta and the Screaming Girls should walk to school more , too many of ’em are clearly getting Mummy and Daddy to use filthy fossil fuels in cars to get them there.

Hypocrites. ( and their enablers in the Media Party)
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April 28, 2021 10:17am
Maggie Pie

“VULGAR!” ….but at least said with a smile 😀

https://twitter.com/Mango_Press_/status/1386806470017228802
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April 28, 2021 10:42am
- SB2
  
  MP, including socialist agricultural farm subsidies, federal-state aid etc?
  
  https://www.agriculture.com/news/business/record-high-ag-subsidies-to-supply-39-of-farm-income
  
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  April 28, 2021 10:51am
I remember when

Vestiges of democracy lost in reform Janine Rankin:
‘Bay of Plenty couple Owen and Carey Hume’s daughter died after being an in-patient at Palmerston North Hospital’s mental health unit.
It was only through public meetings and order papers for the board’s main committee meetings that they found out what was being reported about her death, and were able to keep abreast of failings and attempts at improvements to services.
They said they were worried about the voice of local people being lost in the reforms.
There go the last vestiges of public reporting and accountability.’
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April 28, 2021 10:44am
Tony Stuart

Is it true that Reid Research, Newshub’s polling company, was in the field polling prior to Easter, but the poll has never been released? Surely, Newshub wouldn’t hold back a poll they didn’t like the result of…
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April 28, 2021 10:50am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Doesn’t “balanced” Tova “manage” those polls as Political Editor? So of course they wouldn’t…
  
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  April 28, 2021 11:15am
Jack5

The ideology battle warms up.

The state Senate of Idaho has passed a law banning schools from forcing students to “personally affirm, adopt, or adhere to” certain Critical Race Theory teachings.

Critical Race Theory, according to the Wikipedia listing, is:

…. an academic movement made up of civil-rights scholars and activists in the United States who seek to critically examine the law as it intersects with issues of race, and to challenge mainstream liberal approaches to racial justice. CRT examines social and cultural issues as they relate to race, law, and social and political power.

Brittanica starts its definition:

Critical Race Theory (CRT), intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and non-whites, especially African Americans.

Brittanica traces Critical Race Theory to the Critical Legal Studies movement, whose origins seem to be Marxist.

The Idaho ban:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/idaho-senate-bill-banning-critical-race-theory

Brittanica on the Critical Race Theory:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory
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April 28, 2021 10:52am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Seems quite similar to the infamous 1920s Tennessee law prohibiting the teaching of evolution.
  I doubt that the Idaho law could reduce any (largely imaginary) influence of critical race theory, as it seems highly unlikely that teachers are actually requiring pupils to “personally affirm, adopt, or adhere to” such teachings.
  Suppression of ideas will not work outside of an authoritarian environment.
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:50pm
Tricati

TS, was out with some mates last night and this came up and one of the lads said, ‘Tova will be on the tele tomorrow with a hit piece on National – Then we will know the poll isn’t good for Cindy.
Sure enough, this morning on the am show we have Tova with her ‘exclusive’ on the National Party’s review. I rang my ‘psychic’ mate to ask for this weeks lotto numbers.
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April 28, 2021 11:22am
- Jack5
  
  The secret’s in Tova’s super-high-high tech keyboard. It’s like talking with a real human. ?
  
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  April 28, 2021 1:31pm
cmm

Lucky for her she didn’t kill herself.
Unluckily for us, she’s still on the road.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/repeat-drink-driver-who-rolled-her-car-into-otago-harbour-lucky-not-to-drown/UC5MEKNYRHNM36RVTFESH3XVMI/
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April 28, 2021 11:22am
- kowtow
  
  Pity she wasn’t a member of an ethnic organised crime syndicate , the meme would be she’s really such a teddy bear trying to turn her life ’round.
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

No quotas for National.
Merit over ethnicity/Gender etc.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/judith-collins-says-it-s-absolutely-crucial-national-doesn-t-introduce-quotas-place-ethnicity-over-merit.html
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April 28, 2021 11:28am
- Jack5
  
  Collins is saying sensible things that will appeal to middle New Zealand.
  
  Sad that the media show little interest. They are eating out of Ardern’s hand.
  
  It will get worse as the State Media Monolith (State TV, State Radio, and the subsidised print survivors) is consolidated before the next election.
  
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  April 28, 2021 1:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    But they are running out of money so will need a top up again soon !
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:59pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Funny how it is that Stuff reported this story too:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287780/judith-collins-says-national-dont-believe-in-quotas-as-party-considers-measures-to-increase-diversity
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And Radio NZ:
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/441350/collins-says-her-party-won-t-stand-for-racist-separatism-new-zealand
      
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      April 28, 2021 2:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky finds crumbs under the media table. NZ’s media are Woke and Left, no question about that.
        
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        April 28, 2021 2:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Not on the front page though.
      
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      April 28, 2021 2:52pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed Jack5. In the meantime, Newstalk ZB is running a bullshit headline about Judith Collins’ feathers being ruffled by the “leak” of National’s post-election review report.
    
    Collins is on a hiding to nothing trying to articulate National’s approach, but if she were rolled, her successor would get exactly the same treatment. The MSM is hanging out for a sacrificial lamb!
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:28pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘They are eating out of Ardern’s hand’
    
    And have learned the age old lesson about biting the hand that feeds them……
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Blood quota cartoon

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/cartoon-of-the-day-8
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April 28, 2021 11:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

Compulsory for teachers to learn and use te reo

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441360/council-taking-more-rigorous-approach-with-teachers-failing-te-reo-requirement
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April 28, 2021 12:01pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  This is a very ugly cunning stunt by the stunning people in the Ministry of Education.
  They would never ever make knowledge of the Maori language compulsory.
  What they do is go around it.
  To be employed as a teacher one must be certified by the Teachers’ Registration Board.
  To renew your application to the Teachers’ Registration Board one must declare that you have studied the Maori language and customs of the Maori people. They use the term Tikanga.
  I am reminded of Sir George Grey’s comment about Ngaruawahia, circa 1863; “we will not destroy the Maori King movement; we will dig around it and it will fall by itself”.
  It will sadden me to see our education system fall.
  
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  April 28, 2021 12:36pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ardern’s strategy: full ahead towards race separatism.
    
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    April 28, 2021 1:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, after saying that, good ol’ Sir George somehow felt the need to invade the Waikato to destroy the King Movement.
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:07pm
  - Keith White
    
    The exact same* is required of all doctors practicing in NZ to be re-registered 3-yearly.
    
    *To renew your registration you must complete an online course on the Maori language and customs of the Maori people – for ‘cultural safety’.
    
    https://www.mcnz.org.nz/our-standards/current-standards/cultural-safety/
    
    …and yes of course we are told we are practicing in Aotearoa New Zealand…
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:29pm
- Paulus
  
  But Teachers, in many cases, must learn English first.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:00pm
- NoFax
  
  So the next time National wins it needs to dismantle the teachers guild. Does it have the guts to do so? I am not holding my breath.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:40pm
  - Mike
    
    How do you imagine that the government would dismantle a voluntary association?
    
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    April 28, 2021 5:38pm
    - GJM
      
      Government sets the registration requirements. Take out that requirement and ensure it is not compulsory to join the association as part of the job, and if it is, they can’t enforce the language requirements.
      
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      April 29, 2021 2:28pm
Jack5

Whoops! An earlier post wasn’t through moderation on this topic when I started writing it.

There doesn’t seem to be a delete function for posting, hence this post.
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April 28, 2021 1:12pm
Maggie Pie

All this toing & froing with the granting and lifting of ‘name suppression’ seems a bit silly. A few of the gals at tennis reckon they know who this guy is, but then all say it’s someone different!
So I’m still none the wiser…..

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1387162157062574081
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April 28, 2021 1:13pm
Jack5

Anyone know what the astonishing selection for Productivity Commission chairman, Ganesh Nana, is talking about here?

Ganesh Nana says Maori firms have” higher rates of innovation, research and development than other New Zealand firms.”

Which firms? Which industries? Which technologies?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/440884/maori-firms-score-high-in-innovation-research
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April 28, 2021 1:23pm
- rangitoto
  
  So they don’t need any tax payer assistance.
  
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  April 28, 2021 1:59pm
- rouppe
  
  Dope growing…
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:11pm
- graham
  
  Which firms? Which industries? Which technologies?
  
  Yes, I’d be fascinated to know that as well. C’mon Ganesh, back up these claims.
  
  And no, research into “Maori Science” doesn’t count.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:31pm
Libertarians are right

Because creating new Maori words for pre existing English words counts as R & D?
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April 28, 2021 1:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  English doesn’t need extra words.
  Maori don’t have borrowing rights–that’s cultural appropriation. They’re stuck at 1840.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:43pm
Benedict Yu

I just got an email from someone offering me an appointment on “30 Paengawhāwhā” ?
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April 28, 2021 2:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Used to be Āperira when I went to school.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    According to the online Maori dictionary, Paengawhāwhā is the 11th lunar month of the Maori year.
    
    Can we assume that, under Ardernism, our year system will change, too?
    
    What Maori year is 2021?
    
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    April 28, 2021 2:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      Shades of the French Revolution, and the calendar the revolutionaries introduced: 12 months of 30 days followed by a period of five or six days; each month of three 10-day “decades” instead of weeks.
      
      Lasted until 1806.
      
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      April 28, 2021 3:16pm
      - RockyJ
        
        2040 will be renamed “year zero” in the fashion of Pol Pot
        
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        April 28, 2021 4:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Good luck finding it among the brownout.
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:45pm
- cmm
  
  Getting all clever with Te Reo is hardly effective communications.
  
  What arseholes.
  
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  April 28, 2021 7:06pm
Master Mariner

More lies from MOH.

About passenger from Perth.
Heres the truth.

This was a returning Merchant mariner
He did nothing Illegal
Just wanting to get home to his Family
Traveller from Perth arrived in NZ despite lockdown
It was revealed yesterday that a New Zealander was able to board a plane in Perth while the Western Australian city was in lockdown, and then fly to Auckland via Sydney even though transtasman flights from that state were meant to be on hold.
Bloomfield said the man who boarded a plane in Perth while the city was in lockdown was still being investigated.
“Any person who enters NZ who is ineligible for quarantine free travel is required to isolate for 14 days.”
A fine up to $4000 or six months’ jail is the penalty for breaching the Air Border order, he said.
The risk from the person’s travel to New Zealand was “low”, and he had not attended any of the locations of interest in Perth.
The Covid-19 response relied on people following the rules, he said.
Verrall said the bubble with Perth had just been reopened, the risk was low from the traveller, and he “was detected”.
Bloomfield added that the system picked up about 70 people who were prevented from travelling to New Zealand.
He said the person was now in a managed isolation facility.
Earlier today Immigration NZ manager Peter Elms said the breach was found during routine passenger checks after the man arrived in New Zealand on Monday.
The passenger is now self-isolating in Northland.
“He had left the airport by the time we realised that that was a passenger that had come from Perth and was ineligible,” Elms told RNZ.
The ministry said the public health safety risk was assessed as low.
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April 28, 2021 2:11pm
Maggie Pie

Paid a visit to ‘Venice Beach’ during the mid 90’s.
It was certainly quite quirky then – looks even more exciting now 🙁

https://twitter.com/BoardwalkVenice/status/1382347335397642240
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April 28, 2021 2:28pm
- Keith White
  
  The authorities have cleaned it up hugely in recent weeks after a judge ordered them to. Some of the videos by the German (guy) in Venice (Beach) (that’s what he calls himself) late last year were simply awful especially if you had memories of skating and / or surfing there in the 80s and 90s…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KsOIVdjDU
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwT8lKHMISs
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:33pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Looking at some of the other vids tweeted in the last day or so….. it don’t seem like anyone gives a flying fox about the judges order.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    April 28, 2021 3:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  Watch carefully, that’s NZ’s tomorrow … or rotovegas now 😉
  
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  April 28, 2021 2:44pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3fnaNh0HM

Audit of 2.1 Million Ballots Begins in Maricopa County.

An audit of ballots in Maricopa County has started. It is viewable online.
Dems tried to stall it in court. But they failed due to not having the $1,000,000 bond the judge asked for.
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April 28, 2021 2:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPdDCvazzFA
Welsh Parliament Election: Could Labour Win the Welsh Senedd? – TLDR News.

On May 6th the people of Wales will cast ballots in the Welsh Parliamentary election. The representives they select will not only impact how Wales handles issues from health to education but also the countries attitude towards the rest of the Union. So in this video we explain the election and what outcome we’re expecting.
[I’m glad my paternal ancestors left Wales in the 1850s.]
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April 28, 2021 2:41pm
cmm

Cops ask for more warning about these protests so they have time to tune their guitars.

FFS cops, these people are committing multiple crimes and by standing by while they do it you are encouraging them and are complicit.

Crimes Act:

66Parties to offences

(1) Every one is a party to and guilty of an offence who—
(a) actually commits the offence; or
(b) does or omits an act for the purpose of aiding any person to commit the offence; or
(c) abets any person in the commission of the offence; or
(d) incites, counsels, or procures any person to commit the offence.

(2) Where 2 or more persons form a common intention to prosecute any unlawful purpose, and to assist each other therein, each of them is a party to every offence committed by any one of them in the prosecution of the common purpose if the commission of that offence was known to be a probable consequence of the prosecution of the common purpose.

Cops commit numerous offences by:
1b) Failing to act.
1b) Assists protestors by providing health and safety services and by guarding them.
1c) incites through failing to act and thereby emboldening the criminals to commit their crimes.

I suppose that most of these wallies are unemployed or non-net taxpayers so all us net taxpayers subsidise them and thus provide them resources to commit their crimes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/300287792/coal-train-delayed-in-dunedin-by-extinction-rebellion-protesters
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April 28, 2021 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…

It’s reported ‘The National Party’ have come under pressure from the CCP not to allow a Parliamentary Debate on the Uyghur Genocide…….WTF??

https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1387230616588980224
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April 28, 2021 3:19pm
- Keith White
  
  “It’s ChinaRules, Jake.”
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:22pm
- MCos
  
  You seem surprised?
  Having said that, it would be interesting to know who made the approach to the Nats from within the CCP that this hasn’t been more publicly acknowledged.
  
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  April 28, 2021 4:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I recall seeing a pic of Simon sitting on a couch with Prez Xi once.
    Wouldn’t mind betting he’s still the point of contact (?)
    
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    April 28, 2021 4:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  Well it’s on twatter so it must be true ….
  
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  April 28, 2021 9:27pm
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package

So much for Labour’s infrastructure packege.
Yet another failure.
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April 28, 2021 3:25pm
- skyblue
  
  They couldn’t find enough shovels to stick in the ground.
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:33pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Yep, Kiwibuild mk II. Never saw that coming.
  
  I wonder what grandiose announcement the gullible voter will fall for in 2023.
  
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  April 28, 2021 3:44pm
Happychappy

Wood may cancel Roads, u-turning on Government pledge.
Are Labour about to pull the plug and axe promised roads, as costs mount in promised 12 billion Infrastructure package.
The Governments flagship infrastructure programme the most expensive in modern history is in danger of collapse with Transport Minister Michael Wood now refusing to say whether all 22 projects as promised nearly a year ago will actually be built in the way they were announced.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
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April 28, 2021 4:18pm
Don Beckett

The manufacturing of psychosis & previous implementation.
This is the forerunner to the article/video I posted above. It is equally as compelling.
I will repost it tomorrow morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFie-UCFV_s
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April 28, 2021 5:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh boy. Have all of the lefties/socialists/commies gone to Mum’s basement? Play school TV1 news is finished, so they must have.
I suspect the Labour Party is now a ‘cult’ infested with Jaspinda sycophants.

https://bongino.com/actress-rose-mcgowan-democrats-are-in-a-deep-cult/?
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April 28, 2021 6:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Government has today appointed a “Minister for Announcements.”
This announcement was announced at an announcement hosted by the Acting Minister for the Announcement of the Minister for Announcements, Chris Hipkins, while he was IDed on his way into the Upper Hutt Cossie Club.
Hipkins said: “For too long, Ministers have had to make individual announcements about their own announcements. National’s nine years of neglect almost certainly caused this crisis. It is time to centralise announcements to improve efficiency. Centralising always works.”
The Minister of Announcements will be Megan Woods on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, and Chris Hipkins for Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Ramadan. However, for any really good news, announcements will be made by Jacinda Ardern and the country’s first man, Dr Ashley Bloomfield.
When asked about the actual results of all the announcements over previous years, Hipkins snapped back: “Don’t change the subject. This has nothing to do with outcomes.”
Gallery journalists described the Minister’s aggressive response as “like being savaged by a vegan lemur.”
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April 28, 2021 6:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

6 sexes, according to deranged Democrat. I wonder which flavour he/it is?
https://rumble.com/vg6lrr-texas-democrat-tells-lawmakers-there-are-actually-6-biological-sexes.html?
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April 28, 2021 6:45pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Someone is muddling up genetic mistakes with reproductive normality.
  https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/
  
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  April 28, 2021 6:52pm
- [email protected]
  
  Thanks for the link. 100 % agree that there only two sexes and a number of variants. The chromosomes don’t lie.
  
  BTW I recognize that room in the video. That’s the Rayburn building in Washington DC.
  
  I testified before a congressional committee on copyright law (BV engineering vs UCLA) there. The set of seats behind the congressional members are reserved for their personal attorneys (presumably to keep them from saying something bad).
  
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  April 28, 2021 7:51pm
Happychappy

What a bunch of crooked arsoles we have in this Government is when they can go out and outbid those First home buyers looking to get into their own house, this heartless and supposedly caring Government couldn’t lower themselves any further by shitting on the very same people they should be looking after.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/government-buys-hundreds-of-houses-in-direct-competition-with-first-home-buyers.html
This is just another embarrassing chapter from a Labour Party that only cares for themselves and know that most people that vote them are there for the handouts and will never be a first home buyer.
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April 28, 2021 7:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder how many are sitting empty.
  
  Seems the Education Dept has bought a house hereabouts, but it’s had windows boarded up for months now.
  
  State housing provider Kāinga Ora says it’s no longer a state house, but was sold to the Ministry of Education last year for $180,000.
  
  The Ministry of Education says the house isn’t suitable for tenants and is boarded up, because the windows have been removed.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300274056/housing-pressure-surging-in-gisborne-with-many-still-on-the-street
  
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  April 28, 2021 7:27pm
70andstilllearning

7:15 at night and the m word hasn’t been used across all comments today. How nicely refreshing everyone.
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April 28, 2021 7:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Tonight TVOne news ran a story about National being warned for not declaring an election donation… no mention of the Maori Party being referred to the Serious Fraud Office.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124974834/police-refer-mori-party-to-serious-fraud-office-over-328000-in-undeclared-donations
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April 28, 2021 7:32pm
- graham
  
  Yes, that occurred to me also … and by coincidence, look what has just turned up (timestamp is 06:48 PM, to be fair to One News):
  
  Maori Party donations referred to Serious Fraud Office
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/maori-party-donations-referred-to-serious-fraud-office/PWOJJVKHMYL5HBBOHSFMC4TACI/
  
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  April 28, 2021 8:35pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m sure the decision to send the matter to the SFO was made before 5pm.
    
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    April 28, 2021 9:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And the Stuff story was dated after 7pm. Probably a conspiracy between the police and news media, huh?
      
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      April 29, 2021 6:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Par for the course. Not that I ever watch State TV.
  
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