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Happychappy

Well isn’t it funny when it gets close to the budget annoucements and you have MP’s like Andrew Little making calls about , $400million wholes in Phamac, so let’s face the have known the problem for years now and Andrew Little when Leader of the opposition crowed and blustered about National underfunding it then.
Now all we have heard for three and a half years now from Labour the Government is 9 years of neglect and lack of investment and they have poured billions of dollars into fixing it without notable results. I could name plenty of instances of wasted taxpayers money but I will mention one and that is what all the working groups you have funded and ignored, in total more than one hundred at considerable cost to the taxpayers and then rejected their advice, that alone would probably pay for the $ 400 million need by Pharmac.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/pharmac-s-budget-hole-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars-deep.html
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April 30, 2021 8:00am
- notreadyet
  
  Over $50 mill on pike river that we all knew was going nowhere
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:15am
  - Aunty
    
    Very good point. How many New Zealanders are currently dying from colorectal cancer for a lack of funding of modern cancer drugs that show good activity against this tumour type because $50 million was wasted by Labour on Pike River?
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:45am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Too many.
      
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      April 30, 2021 12:09pm
    - Nickc2
      
      As intermated by Sepuloni, it’s not in Labour’s DNA to keep records of where and how much taxpayer money is spent. To them, it’s just another bottomless pit of stuff Robertson grabs off the printer.
      
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      April 30, 2021 12:40pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Ah, the Pike River Gold mine. It kept laying million dollar golden eggs. Too bad the goose died.
    
    Oh well, Auckland Light Rail will be the next new Gravy Train.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:31am
    - Paulus
      
      I would like to know how much money the families of the Pike River Mine disaster actually received.
      How many millions ?
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:28pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        A drop in the bucket.
        
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        April 30, 2021 5:56pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Happy, they literally have billions, as they have printed it! Ask ACC how some of the balances owed by Government have magically appeared.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:18am
- KiWombat
  
  Has anybody noticed that the debtclock has disappeared ?
  
  I think they must have run out of zero’s !
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

In 1987 the 4th Labour Government disbanded the New Zealand Forest Service and sold off our forest assets.

Yesterday the 6th Labour government renamed NZ Forestry as Te Uru Rākau – New Zealand Forest Service.
https://www.mpi.govt.nz/forestry/about-te-uru-rakau/our-story-structure-people/
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April 30, 2021 8:08am
- Happychappy
  
  Maggie they need to create jobs for all those unemployed they don’t know about so hence the urgency to to make look good without doing anything major.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Funding and grants to encourage planting = more money down the drain.
  All hui, no dui
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:18am
- Tomtoddy
  
  They will be good – they will have a spatial intelligence team.
  
  Someone suggested the Cabinet is a “spatial intelligence team” – a lot of space where intelligence should have been.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Appalling.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:07am
- Yabster
  
  is this a tactic so no one knows what Government department is responsible for what? woke bullshot at its f%$king best- was there anything wrong NZTA or NZ Forestry
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:15am
- Sacha
  
  I wonder if there is method behind the madness: when nothing improves for the Maori citizens of this country, this Government will claim to have had no input, and the situation is not its fault, but they WILL make more changes for the better.
  In other words, the problems are being sidelined . . . .
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:01am
  - Keith White
    
    You are entirely neglecting the rogue gravitational forces acting on objects on Northland couches. It’s not Shane’s nephs’ fault they can’t get up and do forestry or other work – it’s the force of gravity.
    
    /sarc
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:06pm
- Jack5
  
  Why not “NZ Forestry” when in the English language, and “Te Uru Rākau” when in the Maori language?
  
  Equal rights for English speakers!
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:14am
- SB2
  
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  MW, and National in the 1990s re established them and bought sold assets back?
  
  Yeah right!
  
  And you get a yellow highlight. For what?
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:28am
  - Antoine
    
    I reckon I can get a yellow highlight for telling you to eff off. Pitch in chaps!
    
    A.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:38am
- wreck1080
  
  I will have to move to australia where they still speak english.
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:38am
Bobba Fret

On Hoskins this morning, he was saying the government have no idea how much money has been paid to moteliers to repair damages. And all Sepuloni could say about it was “That’s not ideal”!!!
FFS, talk about the understatement of the year. It’s very easy spending other peoples money and not even accounting for it.
And Audrey Young rated Sepuloni a 7/10!!!!!
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April 30, 2021 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  His name is Hosking, not Hoskins.
  Pay attention.
  And Audrey Young is clearly clueless.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:32am
  - Maxx
    
    You misspelled “paid off”
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:00am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Sorry my auto correct….I’m not the best typist.
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:48pm
- Swifty
  
  What would Sepuloni have said if it was National?
  
  I bet it wouldn’t have been “That’s not ideal…”
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why isn’t there a Vote Item for such?
  Is all expenditure now covered by a global $100,000,000 item?
  That’s not allowing Parliament to exercise its sovereignty with sole authority over the spending of money taken from taxes or borrowing against future taxes.
  A majority is not a mandate for a gobblment to re-write the constitution.
  This govt has exceeded it term by default.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:12am
  - Nickc2
    
    Now Robertson has taken over the role of Governor of the Reserve Bank, it doesn’t matter because he will wite off our $100Bn debt.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:25am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The quick way to Venezuela.
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Kev, why do you persist in demonstrating your ignorance of government processes?
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:57pm
kowtow

Creepy Joe told the world he’d travelled 17000 with Xi .
He’s been previously fact checked on that , but he’s repeated the lie .
What else is he lying about ?
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April 30, 2021 8:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  I’m more interested in Tim Scott’s rebuttal. Is he warming up for 2024?
  
  Imagine the left struggling to attack the GOP on racial lines if their presidential pick is black.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:02am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Or if the GOP selected a non white woman like Nikki Haley or Candace Owens.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:33am
  - redflagged
    
    Candice Owens. They wouldn’t know what to do. A person that can think for themselves that also happens to be a woman, and has dark skin. The left would freak that she doesn’t claim to be a victim.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    GOP will select Trump to Make America Great Again, Again. Ivanka or one of the Fredos to be his VP candidate.
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:56pm
mikenmildagain

Happy International Jazz Day!
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April 30, 2021 8:22am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So a guy and his wife are sitting one holiday at the beach having breakfast and she asks “Jim, if I died would you get married again?”
Jim takes affront at this and says “What a horrible thing to ask Margaret on this beautiful morning. I don’t want to hear anything more of it!”
For the next three days of holiday, Margaret persists and eventually wears him down “Jim, would you get married again if I died?”
Jim relents “Well, actually, yes I would”
So Margaret continues “Well, would you sell the house?”
Jim replies “No, why would I do that? I need somewhere to live”
“What about our bed. Would you sell that?”
“No, he says ” I have to sleep on something!”
“But what about my golf clubs, you wouldn’t let this other woman touch them would you?”
Jim replies “No, of course not. She’s left handed……”
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April 30, 2021 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  A motorist was clocked exceeding the speed limit by a motorcycle cop , who went after him lights flashing, siren blaring.
  
  The motorist tried to give him the slip and avoided stopping for a while despite a number of chances to safely pull in .
  
  Eventually he did stop and the Cop came up to his window and said ” Look it’s been a long day, my shift is nearly over , I’ve already issued my quota of tickets , so if you can give me a reasonable excuse for not stopping , I’ll let you off with a verbal warning”
  
  The motorist replied ” My wife ran off with a traffic cop a couple of weeks ago , I thought it was you trying to return her”
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:32am
Maggie Pie

Ricardo tweets his latest concern…..
“NZ’s immigration system discriminates against disabled people”

As one wag replied…..
“You got in didn’t you”

😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1387625036316483588
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April 30, 2021 8:23am
- RockyJ
  
  Then he says “Our treatment of temporary migrants is so bad we treat them like second class citizens”. How should we treat them, like first class citizens? Must be a second language thing.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:51am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    How is that even controversial? In almost any country, migrants are treated as second class citizens, and so they should be. This is analogous to how you probably favour your own family over your neighbour’s.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:16am
    - Batman
      
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      That’s a weak justification for xenophobia if ever I saw one!
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:25am
      - Keith White
        
        Well, seeing as how you’re an expert on weak justifications, B-M, we better listen to you.
        
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        April 30, 2021 1:08pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        That’s not xenophobia. It’s is rational discrimination, and honest people recognise that they do this every day.
        
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        April 30, 2021 2:55pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        That is pitiful Batman.
        Strawmanning xenophobia rather than acknowledging that there is a difference between visa holder, residents and citizens.
        even with those distinctions, NZ is a soft touch, when many countries dont extend any such rights to us in return.
        
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        April 30, 2021 7:52pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Its a contradiction in terms – migrants are not citizens; an oxymoron like Menedez-March.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:41am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I think it’s more of an entitled douchebag thing
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:03am
- Maxx
  
  The immigration system is supposed to be geared towards those that can be of value to NZ. If you’re going to be a burden why would the country want or need you. If you only have one leg the system doesn’t care if you are (for example) a psychiatrist which is a profession on the skills shortage list.
  
  I would rather have a rock in this guy’s place in parliament. At least a rock could be useful
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    As my partner said, “When was the last time you saw a member of the Sinaloa Cartel getting round in a wheelchair?”
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:32am
    - sooty
      
      Yep, a rock could stop the door hitting you in the arse!
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:47am
    - fernglas
      
      “When was the last time you saw a member of the Sinaloa Cartel getting round in a wheelchair?”
      
      Have you forgotten Hector from “Breaking Bad” already??? Shame.
      
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      April 30, 2021 12:11pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        Ding, ding!
        
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        April 30, 2021 2:04pm
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  If immigrants come here from another land to become “New Zealanders,” then, once they are here, why on earth do they continue to advocate for and identify with non-New Zealanders as opposed to their fellow New Zealanders? The answer is obvious: because they don’t see themselves as New Zealanders, despite the “they are us” bullshit. They shouldn’t give a toss about immigrants.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:11am
  - Batman
    
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    More bullshit from you.
    
    There’s no reason why people can’t embrace all sides of their identity.
    
    It’s stupid to expect people to move here and become walk-short wearing, meat and three vege eating, rugby and beer fans. There will always be a cultural blend.
    
    Of course, we are aware that cultural blend is exactly what you dislike so much.
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:16am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Sheesh Batman, for pretty much the first time, something that instead of trolling, is sensible! I am with you on this.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:16am
    - Local Miller
      
      Talking as an immigrant… There is cultural blend where you “embrace all sides of (your) their identity” and there is “continue(ing) to advocate for and identify with non-New Zealanders as opposed to their fellow New Zealanders”
      I have blended our cultures, taking the best of my home country and thrown out all the crap I came here to escape. I also know a fair number of other immigrants from different countries who have done the same, and see them selves as New Zealanders who just weren’t born here. Similarly my kids all see themselves as Kiwis and we all use NZ Passports exclusively having given up our rights to use the passport from our country of birth.
      I’m NEVER treated as a second class citizen, but I know other immigrants who are, and the reason is they have one foot in NZ and one in their country of birth. You simply can’t be loyal to two countries, if someone came here to escape some awful country with terrible law/culture then have the respect for your new home to throw out the crap and embrace the good stuff, or maybe they should re-evaluate their choices.
      There is nothing about xenophobia in this, and throwing the word out is just a way of squashing dissent, like homophobia or racist. Being accepted in NZ is about accepting you are now a Kiwi, and if you can’t do that you’ll never be accepted.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:26am
      - Batman
        
        I disagree that you can just cast aside your affinity for another country.
        
        Hell, look at all the Poms who emigrated here and still support their football teams and moan about how much better the UK is/was.
        
        I think for some, the “loyalty to two countries” thing is a subtle dig at a certain type of people they don’t like
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:08pm
      - rockape
        
        Especially when much of the suppression you faced was because or a religion you still adhere to.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:33pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Batman@12:08PM
        I am a dual citizen, NZ/Aust (born in NZ) and I support the All Blacks and anyone who plays the Wallabies. That’s not divided loyalty IMO.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:47pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Generations of settlers in NZ continued to refer to England as ‘home’.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:54pm
      - RockyJ
        
        So how come when NZ plays India in cricket the Indians in the crowd all cheer for India? I find myself slightly annoyed about that. Aren’t they now kiwis?
        
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        April 30, 2021 2:04pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      People migrate to NZ for a reason, Batman. Principally because it’s better than where they came from. Why would you want to move here & then try to turn it into the place you left?
      
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      May 1, 2021 7:44am
kowtow

Both stuffed and the Ferald’s cartoons have anti Judith Collins cartoons today .

The Fourth Estate claim to hold a special place in liberal democracies as they have a duty to hold power to account.

Isn’t it great how they interpret that as holding the opposition to account , in order to to keep the Government in power.
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April 30, 2021 8:25am
- JibberJabber
  
  The Fourth Estate no longer exists, it evolved into the Fifth Column, even long before the Labour “government” of Jacinda Ardern decided to pay them for preferential treatment.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:47am
- igm
  
  $105,000,000 buys a sympathetic media . . . talk about theft from taxpayers.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:53am
  - dcrane
    
    I heard about 55 million of that…just curious where the other sums are being spent?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-earmarks-55-million-to-support-public-interest-journalism-with-new-media-fund/5UU3XEUYEQ2422SKPKJR4JQZ2M/
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:30am
    - doublehappy
      
      Thats the second bribe.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:52am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Clearly nothing the failure Government does is ever worthy of a cartoon.
  Bought media much?
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:12am
- septic skeptic
  
  Will National remember this and have the guts to defund and sell off all media? All will they increase funding and hope to get a better result next time they are in opposition?
  Personally I would say this to the media – if this bias and shadow banning continues for another 6 months, then if and when we win another election we will sell all state media, remove all funding and cancel all the bullshit feeldgood advertising done by govt departments
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:41am
  - david
    
    The outcome of such a threat would be a reaction of such negative bullshit against the opposition such as you have never seen before.
    Best just quietly resolve to get elected and enjoy dishing the revenge in a cold and complete manner such that there would be no resurrection or raising from the ashes.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:13am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Seriously, how would that be worse than the status quo? Where the media do most of what you fear but still keep up the presence of neutrality.
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:15pm
  - doublehappy
    
    Well said.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:53am
- Paulus
  
  Lord Emmerson is probably the worse culprit who calls himself a cartoonist
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:28am
lastmanstanding

IMHO its a case of when not if China takes military action to take control of Taiwan. Some questions.

1. Does the Government have a policy and a plan on how they will react.

2. Do NZ businesses who trade with China have a plan.

If not then we are unprepared for a forseeable event and will all suffer the consequences.
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April 30, 2021 8:25am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Our government’s response would really depend on the response of the US.
  NZ businesses should be wary of becoming too reliant on trade with China:
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2021/04/29/economic-coercion/
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:28am
  - Simon
    
    “Our government’s response would really depend on the response of the US”
    
    US is in decline. The recent fake election showed this. NZ’s response long term would be better aligned with Japan.
    
    At some point soon any business or political figure who is pro CCP is a quisling. Thinking of that fucking awful visit to China by Simon Bridges a few years ago. That should not happen in the future.
    
    Anyone who promotes trade with China – to the exclusion of trade with the rest of Asia is already owned by the CCP.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:03am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The US is in decline?
      They still have by far the strongest military in the world, and just because they are presently being led by a dead man walking demonstrates that it is their political process which is on life support.
      Things will change – the US is too resilient for them not to.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:48am
  - Maxx
    
    Labours response would be one to say nothing and do the opposite of what our security partners do.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:07am
- Frank the tank
  
  You misunderstand the military hardware:
  a). Taiwan has
  b). The US has in the general area
  c), The threat this has to China’s economic wellbeing.
  
  Sea based invasions are almost always characterized by significant casualties. Something China won’t want. The Taiwanese will fight to the last person with advanced western military hardware. Significant US military assistance is only days away from Guam, South Korea and Japan. This would include B2 bombers and nuclear Subs that could hit mainland Chinese military targets without detection at ease. In short you would also have to target US bases in Guam, South Korea and Japan at the same time. Therefore you also go to war with Japan, Korea the US and probably by extension the balance of SE Asia and the West (LOL Little Aotearoa would probably be the exception)
  
  Then you have the trade implications – you think Chinese goods would get anywhere near Europe, North America, East Asia and their allies…..That would fuck the Chinese and world economy overnight.
  
  I’m guessing it won’t happen in our lifetime and if it does it will be non violent. China, unlike Russia plays a long game. They’ll wait till the West/Taiwan can’t resist. They aren’t stupid and they won’t risk WW3 over Taiwan.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:52am
  - Colville
    
    Lets face it these days you dont need to have the gear within 5000 miles of the target for it to be effective.
    Look at what Nato did in Bosinia back in ’95.
    
    But also think about what it would do to China trade if the USA parked a couple of nuclear powered subs off the coast and told the world that any in coming ship will be disabled. Game over.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:31am
    - Jack5
      
      If Taiwan put up a fight it would be a difficult amphibious battle for China even without US intervention.
      
      Taiwan has 280 fighter jets, 1160 tanks, 26 frigates and destroyers, four submarines, and 1.6 million people in its military reserve.
      
      https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.php?country_id=taiwan
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:51am
    - NoCash
      
      Are you suggesting a unilateral blockade before an invasion? The elites in the US won’t allow that to happen as it would simply mean a big stock market crash… so yeah game over.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:15am
  - Keith White
    
    I’d have thought the Taiwanese Plan B is to say something like “Nice Three Gorges Dam you have there. Pity if something should happen to it.” And if someone in Taiwan’s military should see Taipei flattened, tens or even hundreds of thousands of casualties, and his/her entire home island stomped under the Xiboot, that someone might take some unilateral action accordingly…
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:13pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The plan is to create a one party socialist nirvana.
  
  Hate speech laws to reinforce that the only truth is the truth they tell us.
  
  Managed isolation re education camps, so we can all be one big happy family equally poor and by decree happy.
  
  Be kind.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:04am
  - Ruawai
    
    Natioanl and Act need to keep reinforcing these new Hate Speech laws are anti free speech laws not hate speech laws.
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:06am
    - Unity
      
      David Seymour is doing a good job in this direction. I’m impressed by him. Let’s hope National catch on quickly and join him in condemning these anti free speech laws.
      
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      April 30, 2021 12:05pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        National spend all their energy positioning themselves to the right of Labour no matter how far left Labour have just lurched. That’s where the ‘centre’ is. That where power can be gained, never mind the Overton window.
        
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  - JackRabbit
    
    Hate speech, is communication motivated by, well, hate.
    
    Labour hate free speech, free enterprise, landlords, farmers, rich people, plastic bags, oil and gas, red meat, heterosexuals, monogamy….. etc.
    
    Socialism and Communion are based on Envy, Greed, and Hate. Everything that comes out of the mouths of the Three Stooges, Ardern, Robertson and Little, is motivated by hate, and is therefore hate speech. I’m looking forward to them locking themselves up. Forever.
    
    The hate speech law is a farce.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:38am
- Tomtoddy
  
  China will not “invade” Taiwan nor take any military action against them. It does not need to. It will wear them down gradually, year after year as it did in HK. They are not concerned about how long it takes – they play a long game.
  
  One of the first things I learned on going to China over 40 years ago was an expression they have – “the long eye”. It is self explanatory and is applied in politics, business and life in general. A particular play may last generations.
  
  We are such an “I want it and I want it now” society, impatient, lacking strategic cunning we have little appreciation of how China operates.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Taiwan is a province of China. Like our Maori Chinese have long memories about land rights.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:16am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Taiwan was a province of the Republic of China Kev. It now IS the Republic of China.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:12am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Tell that to the Chinese. In an earlier war some soldiers escaped there. That doesn’t make it theirs.
      The fight is still not finished.
      
      We are mere bystanders.
      
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      April 30, 2021 3:02pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    What’s this “our Maori” you keep referring to, Kev? Māori don’t belong to anyone, least of all “us” (whoever “us” is).
    
    It’s high time you updated your 50s/60s language.
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:12pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I’ve got a Maori son in law. Maori are subgroup of our population.
      
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      April 30, 2021 3:05pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Your explanation is meaningless nonsense.
        
        Such paternalistic expressions went out many decades ago. Time to bring yourself up to speed.
        
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        April 30, 2021 5:21pm
- Nickc2
  
  Apropos of Andrew Bolt last night?
  However, it’s a point well worth making given this Govt is not into planning, let alone keeping us peasants informed of their intentions.
  The big end of town will be hemorrhaging due to a lack of information on which to base their decisions to go or stay before the shit hits the fan.
  If I was still in business, I would be making plans to head to Aust. I would rather go down fighting than let the Chinese confiscate everything I had worked for.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Why worry about China confiscate everything you have worked for Ardern will have done that already so no worry.
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:36pm
    - Nickc2
      
      TKS. Point taken.
      
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      April 30, 2021 2:20pm
- oldfella
  
  Lastman, the govt’s plan is for Mahuta’s taniwha to talk to China’s dragon. They’ll soon sort it out.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:58am
- NoCash
  
  @lastmanstanding
  A genuine question for you.
  
  Why do you think China will invade Taiwan as a matter of when, not if; what is your rationale behind this thinking?
  
  I’m interested to know as it seems this thinking is quite common among the general public. Is that because this notion has been put forth by some commentators, officials / politicians in the West ? Does the general public aware of the long history in that part of the world, the implications of various scenarios?
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:45am
Ehlana

From today’s Herald: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mongrel-mob-members-using-reformed-life-of-crime-for-a-better-future/WNXTWZKI4L5FFFMOZMEN4VP32Y/.
It’s always good to hear of a gang member wanting to turn their life around and help others do the same. But this bit I found curious: “It’s been two years since he left jail — his longest stint of freedom since becoming an adult —… He has made his first mortgage payment on his first house with help from his mum, and also bought a motorbike and car with his own wages.”

Two years is the longest time he’s been out of jail as an adult, he has five children and he is working as a social worker, yet he has managed to save the deposit for a house, as well as buying a motorbike and a car.

I look forward to article on how he managed that.
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April 30, 2021 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  There’s a big item in todays Ferald about the $ 1 billion the gubmint has seized from alleged criminals under the Criminal Proceeds Recovery Act .
  
  One of the names mentioned is William Yan/Bill Liu .
  
  Now that was a very strange case. Surrendered voluntarily to China paid a big fine , split with NZ and then returned here .
  
  Lots of friends in what President Trump would call “the swamp”.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:38am
  - Jack5
    
    This from the Herald nearly three years ago:
    
    He [William Yan] was granted citizenship in 2008 by Shane Jones, then a Minister in the Labour government, against the advice of Internal Affairs who believed Yan did not meet the “good character” requirements.
    
    This was because Yan had two identities, was wanted for arrest in China and was under investigation by Immigration New Zealand.
    
    But Jones, now a candidate for New Zealand First in the upcoming election, granted citizenship anyway on humanitarian grounds.
    
    This led to accusations of political bias as Yan had forged links with a number of MPs, particularly in Labour, who lobbied in support of his citizenship bid.
    
    The link between NZ politicians and political parties and China needs a thorough airing.
    
    The Herald article:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/william-yan-aka-bill-liu-to-keep-nz-citizenship-despite-money-laundering-conviction/YMYXI6UP6MG6UTYBNQO2SLRGJE/
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:24am
- kevn
  
  @Ehlana… Insurance for all those goodies, another obstacle for those with a criminal history. Banks insist on insurance.
  Sired 5 children, I wonder how many mothers?
  The whole story doesn’t add up does it.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:21am
- cmm
  
  Well he certainly has his priorities sorted:
  
  Mum pays for the house, he pays for the toys.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:38am
- DeepBlue
  
  The title is ‘Not every gang member is a criminal’. Let’s disect that: Almost all gang members are criminals; or, at any point in time some gang members are not actively involved in crime; or, crime can pay for a deposit on a house.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:52am
- Ruawai
  
  He must have a good business model!!
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Early days of Covid, Trump says ‘maybe this goes away with heat and light’
CNN reports ‘Trump just told everyone to set themselves on fire!’
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April 30, 2021 8:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  No, no, no – he just told everyone to stick fluorescent tubes in their rear ends.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:42am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Try this: Biden wants the Yanks to eat meatless, a.k. a. bugs.
    Bill Gates is now the largest farm land owner in the USA. He has been advocating producing these for some time. A controlled population is a market.
    https://100percentfedup.com/joe-bidens-far-left-climate-plan-seeks-to-limit-americans-to-4-lbs-of-beef-per-year/
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:22am
    - Batman
      
      Kev you’re a few days behind, this lie has been proven to be utter bullshit, despite the best efforts of conservative media and idiots on Twitter wanting retweets to wish it into reality.
      
      “Fact check: Biden climate plan doesn’t require US to stop eating meat” https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7385050002
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:23am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It was the variety of meat. Gates want to sell: Biden wants to follow. Is he on commission too?
        
        As for fact checkers…their frequent bias shows.
        
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        April 30, 2021 10:53am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        I didn’t realise kev was catching up so much.
        
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        April 30, 2021 11:25am
      - Batman
        
        Kev there is no wriggle room. It’s bullshit and you are trying to explain it away by hair splitting more rubbish about Gates.
        
        There are outside groups who say we should eat less red meat, given the European and US farming methods are extremely grain heavy and thus resource intensive. But those groups are not the Biden Admin which has no such plan.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You work for CNN, don’t you?
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:25am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What he really said was :
      “Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light,” and:
      “Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.”
      And no one present wanted to challenge President Man-Baby.
      
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      April 30, 2021 9:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        As usual you do not tell the whole truth.
        Trump was asking questions to a medical person.
        We are wise to your constant deflections Mike.
        
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        April 30, 2021 11:18am
      - Interested Party
        
        If you watched the whole presentation, the scientists before him were speaking about investigations into ultraviolet light killing the virus – he was just asking a general clarifying question on possibilities. So he didn’t ask it in specific scientific terms, guess what he’s not a scientist, he’s Trump
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:15pm
      - Batman
        
        Steve those questions were so stupid that about 50% of the world’s population cringed and then darkly laughed at it.
        
        The only people who defended it were the MAGAns
        
        You really need to let Trump take an L from time to time.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Batman, the World ‘cringed’ because the ‘fake news’ (read CNN, MSNBC) told them to
        
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        April 30, 2021 2:00pm
    - Keith White
      
      C’mon man! Steve, he don’t *work*… 🙂
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:17pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Burn, Mike. Keith is correct
        
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        April 30, 2021 3:26pm
- Simon
  
  While most of the focus was on the discussion of how CNN distorted the news about Donald Trump and also COVID-19, the key point of alarm should have been the discussion of what the next distortion campaign is going to be all about.
  
  With a Veritas secret recording device rolling, CNN Director Charlie Chester explained how the spin occurs:
  
  Any reporter on CNN — what they’re actually doing is they’re telling the person what to say… It’s always like leading them in a direction before they even open their mouths. The only people that we [CNN] will let on the air, for the most part, are people that have a proven track record of taking the bait.
  
  He added, “COVID? Gangbusters with ratings, right? Which is why we [CNN] constantly have the [COVID] death toll on the side.”
  
  Chester said Jeff Zucker – the network’s president –- would call the CNN newsroom during live TV segments and order the staff to keep COVID death tolls on the screen to capture viewers’ attention.
  
  Chester: “Pandemic-like story that we’ll beat to death, but that one’s got longevity. You know what I mean? Like there’s a definitive ending to the pandemic. It’ll taper off to a point that it’s not a problem anymore. Climate change can take years, so they’ll [CNN will] probably be able to milk that quite a bit.”
  
  Veritas Journalist: “So, climate change overload.”
  
  Chester: “Be prepared, it’s coming. Climate change is going to be the next COVID thing for CNN.”
  
  https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2021/04/after-covid-19-lockdowns-next-globalist.html
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:07am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/1eALqTEM_04/

Rudy Guiliani Raided by FBI.

Rudy Giuliani’s NYC apartment gets RAIDED by the FBI as the DOJ investigates the Ukraine. The U.S. Postal Service admits that it SPIES on American Citizen’s social media posts via the iCop program. Nick Fuentes is put on the No Fly list and banned from multiple services. Democrats are politically persecuting conservatives.
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April 30, 2021 8:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I prefer the Washington Post headline:
  
  Giuliani’s long quest to put himself in legal jeopardy appears to have paid off
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/28/giulianis-long-quest-put-himself-legal-jeopardy-appears-have-paid-off/
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Gates two prong attack–against Trump and USA.
  
  https://www.rt.com/usa/522309-florida-gmo-mosquitoes-gates/
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Russian propaganda says what?
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:47am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Months before its Cayman Islands contract fell through, the company announced a partnership with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to produce similar “friendly” and “self-limiting” mosquitoes, this time for the Anopheles species, which spread malaria. Since then, Oxitec has raked in just shy of $8.5 million from Gates, according to the foundation’s financial records, receiving more than $1.2 million so far in 2021 alone. It is unclear whether any of those funds were devoted to the Florida Keys plan.
      
      There is more…
      
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      April 30, 2021 3:17pm
- Fletch
  
  The power of the White House has been abused before. FDR used it to go after Andrew Mellon and Huey Long. It was also used against Randolph Hearst and conservative newspaper publisher Frank Gannett. The Roosevelt’s also targeted Moses ‘Moe’ Annenberg from the Philadelphia Inquirer.
  
  Of course, Obama used the IRS against Tea Party and other Conservative groups. Obama also spied on the AP and its reporters.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:34am
  - Batman
    
    And Trump used the DoJ as a pet agency to cover up his associates grubby dealings, and then the IRS to hide his taxes.
    
    Let’s not forget Nixon too.
    
    But please, go on…
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:20am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Who ran the coup on Nov 3?
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:55am
      - Batman
        
        I think you mean Jan 6, silly child.
        
        Your perpetuation of the fraud delusion will age terribly.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:30pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        You’ll see a lot more in due course.
        
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        April 30, 2021 3:12pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq-u9McT6Cg

Biden’s Cold War With Putin is Giving Russia the Stature that it Lost After the Dissolution of USSR.

Russia is gaining big from the Cold War 2.0 started by Biden. Indo-Pacific powers like India and Japan are poised to engage more frequently with Russia. France and Germany also don’t consider Moscow untouchable. And Putin can now eye Eastern Europe. Russia has nothing to lose and the US has everything to lose.
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April 30, 2021 8:28am
- SB2
  
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  Has Rudy received payment from Donald for his legal bills?
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:58am
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 15.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this week’s episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, MSM, Wall Street, $oros, ANTIFA, BLM, and Burisma.
Will Caitlyn Jenner become governor of California? Are Newsoms pronouns has, and been? Is there anything left to burn in Minnesota? Will that make riots ‘entirely peaceful’? Will unaccompanied minors see the VPs book before they see her? Will CNN do a full report on the Maricopa County audit? Will Donald Duck start speaking normally? Is big business a bigger threat to free speech than the government? Which state capitol will BLM storm this week. Will CNN call it an ‘insurrection’? Which state will sue the ‘administration’ next? Will ‘VP’ Harris go to the border and issue free masks? Will AOC beat her to it? Will sleepy Joe be invited to Diwali this year? Will Kamala? Don’t hold your breath. Will ‘VP’ Harris’s book hit the best seller list if more ‘undocumented residents’ get it gratis? What will John Kerry tell Iran’s foreign Minister about net week? Will goat stew be on the menu? Will NYC see more shootings next week? Will defunding the NYPD solve the problem? Maybe ‘kindness’ would work better. Is anyone surprised Sleepy Joe is doing what Republicans warned he would? Will Sleepy Joe receive communion this week? Will Dems keep the house if new election laws aren’t blocked? Stay tuned folks!
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April 30, 2021 8:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wife asked why do I whisper in the house?
I told her you never know who in the Govt is listening.
She laughed, I laughed, Alexa laughed.
Siri was silent – there is your traitor
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April 30, 2021 8:32am
- Maxx
  
  Siri knows to keep her mouth shut. Alexa orders the book. Google gives you ads on privacy (filtering out anything anti-google)
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:11am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Nothing like discussing what you are going to have for dinner, then google bangs into action with suggestions.
    Better than that was discussing Cadiz, then offered tourism I am presently banned from doing.
    Duck Duck is looking better by the day.
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Heaven forbid we use a search engine that tells the truth
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:20am
    - Maxx
      
      To be fair I don’t mind being the product when I know I’m the product.
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:25pm
Frank the tank

The demonization of Collin’s non segregationist arguments around quota and separate Maori authorities demonstrates how partisan we are becoming as a nation.

We are beginning to see the end of our post-war consensus based political approach and an alignment more so with US and European political systems. This will be one of the lasting effects of this government cycle.
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April 30, 2021 8:32am
- H. Upmann
  
  Who is Collin?
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  April 30, 2021 8:42am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Collins – typo
    
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    April 30, 2021 8:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gun buy back ends tomorrow. When is plod going to visit the gangs? What’s that? All their guns got lost in a boating incident?
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April 30, 2021 8:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Interesting that you say that Steve. Simeon Brown posted a piece from the Police News magazine yesterday, and it was absolutely mocking of Police National HQ.
  
  Among other things, the columnist wrote this:
  
  I saw one district’s briefing reminding us that gang members are whanau who experience harm themselves, and alternate resolutions and referral for support should be considered.
  
  I’m all for thinking outside the box, but somehow, I was under the impression we’ve had enough of gang members using guns to threaten the safety of communities, and were going to crack down on it. I’m not sure too many 501’s will be shaking in their boots waiting for this tough crackdown!
  
  https://twitter.com/SimeonBrownMP/status/1387603031785496576
  
  As Brown says, this response sums up what a lot of frontline officers are feeling and thinking. Labour has gone soft on crime, and soft on gangs in particular. The policing of gangs seems to be far more about appeasement than enforcement.
  
  After all, it’s not as though gun crime, especially that involving gang members, has been eliminated. The Police should not rest until all the guns have been taken from the gangs, and the only referrals gang members should be receiving should be to the Police cells and the courts.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:03am
  - Ruawai
    
    And Kelvin Davis has magically managed to reduce prison numbers by 18% with no difference in laws, wonder if a few more gang members have been released or not put in jail??
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:11am
  - Keith White
    
    The frontline police elected Cahill.
    
    The frontline police enforced the confiscation.
    
    It might be more believable that frontline police object to what’s happening if they did not play the Kapo role for their masters so assiduously.
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:20pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  It is far easier to target the most law abiding members of society.
  
  Like only ticketing people who can afford to pay.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Exactly why the speed police target the Shore and not south Auckland. We pay our bills
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:22am
Maggie Pie

Perhaps she had a lot of ‘Woman’s Day’ cover shots to do?

“I am committed to building Lite Rail from our CBD to our Airport. I’m committed to starting straight away”
-Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern (January 2020)

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1387681307375853568
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April 30, 2021 8:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  But wait; there’s more:
  
  Labour’s Ardern pledges Ak light rail link in 10 years
  5:21 pm on 6 August 2017
  
  Jacinda Ardern has pledged Labour would build light rail from downtown Auckland to the airport within a decade if it wins the September general election.
  
  In her first policy announcement and campaign rally as party leader, Ms Ardern unveiled the party’s plan to tackle Auckland’s transport woes at a rally on the city’s waterfront this afternoon.
  
  Labour already planned to build light rail to Mt Roskill and Ms Ardern said it would be complete in four years, plus a link to the airport and West Auckland within a decade, followed by a line connecting the North Shore to the CBD.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/336581/labour-s-ardern-pledges-ak-light-rail-link-in-10-years
  
  And if reading that isn’t enough, here’s video proof of Ardern’s promise. Ironically, she’s flanked by Phil Twyford, who as Transport Minister couldn’t even get the job started, and current Transport Minister Michael Wood, who, as well as having yet to do any more than Twyford did, is about to cancel a number of roading projects.
  
  Last weekend I drove the new portion of the Waikato Expressway for the first time, and it’s a fantastic piece of road. Thank goodness the past National government got this Road of National Significance underway, or it would never have been built.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:13am
  - Maxx
    
    That was just a foreboding of Labours habit of re-announcing announcements and then clarifying when they were too definite.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:16am
    - Paulus
      
      Still the Gunner Government – Gunna do this and Gunna do that.
      In the end they will do Sweet FA.
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        David Lange
        
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        April 30, 2021 3:28pm
  - Ruawai
    
    The scary thing is in this video I think Ardern and her mates believe the make believe dribble they speak.
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:14am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    National, the Expressway to the future.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:33am
    - Ruawai
      
      National should market themselves as getting roads built.
      
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      April 30, 2021 12:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Doesn’t the Lite Rail go through Ardern’s head?
  It is a stupid idea without economic justification and obvious consequential impediments to traffic flows.
  
  When you’re out of space you’re out of space.
  Auckland like Wellington just “growed”–never mind the volcanoes.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:37am
JibberJabber

Cop calls LeBron James for advice during serious assault…
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1386387619228094467
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April 30, 2021 8:39am
- tf78
  
  JJ – Due to the cop’s suspension they’ve now collected over $75k for him. It was very clever I thought.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:25am
- Libertarians are right
  
  He got suspended without pay for that.
  Seriously! It’s beginning to sound like the Cops in charge have never actually been on the street and don’t care one bit about those that are (including here).
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:09am
Yvette

Considering Government’s target to vaccinate in excess of one million of the population by the end of June, is it not time they advised us how people will be notified – mail or phone – and in particular how will they determine the group that has underlying conditions that warrant any priority .
Will DHB staff, who seem to be handling vaccinations, have access to GP and Health Centre records, and as my file (for example) is a quite thick volume and not all on computer, will someone pretend to spend any time reading any of it?
There are more than a few little mysteries with the whole vaccination plan, with no one really explaining anything that would give those intended to be vaccinated any confidence in the system.
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April 30, 2021 8:56am
- DeepBlue
  
  I think Northland is leading the strategy here. They’re behind schedule, so it’s appointments in the morning and walk-ins in the afternoon. Now border and health workers are mostly complete (//) the fastest way to roll out is to give it to all the keen people first. The 30% reluctant are going to be problematic for keeping appointments.
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:09am
- Hollyfield
  
  I received a pamphlet in my letterbox yesterday “Our Covid-19 vaccination plan”. I am happy to share all the detail with you so that you will know how and when you’ll be contacted.
  
  Groups 1 and 2 are most at risk so are vaccinated first, then group 3 and finally group 4.
  
  Groups 1 and 2 before June 2021 “will be invited by their local health provider or employer. There’s no need to call anyone. We’ll contact you.”
  
  Group 3 from May 2021 and Group 4 from July 2021 “We’ll let you know when to take action. Keep an eye out for more information. We will have a range of places where you can get vaccinated, including community clinics, marae, pop-up venues and pharmacies. We’ll let you know when these are ready in your area.”
  
  A very definite message of “don’t call us, we’ll call you”.
  
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  April 30, 2021 6:41pm
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
This escaped my attention until a couple of days ago I wonder if any Trump supporters on KB fell for his “second inauguration Mar-a-Lago Apparently a cast of thousands on fb did

Such poor , sad deluded buggers

Thousands of Trump supporters are planning a virtual “second inauguration” for President Trump on Jan. 20, the same day as President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration.

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/531186-trump-supporters-organizing-second-inauguration-for-him-online-january-20?amp
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April 30, 2021 9:02am
- Fletch
  
  America would be in a better place today if Trump were still leading. You know it’s true. Biden is going to bankrupt America. He is destroying it piece by piece.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:39am
  - Batman
    
    *cough* Trump tax cut adding $2 trillion to the deficit *cough*
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:17am
    - Local Miller
      
      Did you miss the report that this financial year the USA will spend more than double their tax take? Biden is going to blow the deficit out by about $1.7 trillion a year.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:49am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yeah, it’s all on him, now. But I can’t see any US president or congress raising taxes and cutting expenditure any time soon.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:51pm
      - Keith White
        
        The B-M is not crippled by the hobgoblin of consistency.
        
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        April 30, 2021 1:21pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Biden won’t bankrupt America, he is not in charge of anything, including his own mind.
    Let us be in no doubt Biden definitely couldn’t run a chook raffle, he should be allowed to slip away into the background, it is embarrassing to watch.
    I thought 12 months, but I have over egged it again.
    The cackler will then really bankrupt the place.
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:44am
dave_c_

I don’t know about anyone else, but I cannot get my head around how India can truthfully publish the number of new Covid cases every day in the way they do.
I see the trend as :
Monday – 150,000 new cases
Tuesday – 190,000 new cases
Wednesday – 240,000 new cases
, , , ,
Let alone tracking the number of deaths !

It was bad enough in a tiny country like NZ to confirm xxx new cases on a daily basis, but how in hell can India achieve such a feat in so little time ?

It rather smells of premeditated ‘fixing’ of the numbers, to apply maximum frightners to the population/s
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April 30, 2021 9:02am
- I remember when
  
  Hasn’t the change for secondary roads been a rapid movement downwards from 100km to 80km.
  Is the Government pandering to the Green vote by finding a way to lower petrol sales and CO2.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:31am
  - sooty
    
    Lowering the tax take everytime too!
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I did read somewhere that before Covid, India had 27000 deaths per day. The media are fucking with the truth
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:31am
  - cmm
    
    27000 does not stack up. The number must be more like 50,000 per day.
    
    Indian population is 1.3 billion or so.
    Life expectancy in India is 69 years.
    1.3bn/69/365 = 51000 deaths per day average.
    
    Add 3000 deaths from CV19 to 51000 only adds 6% more should not break the system.
    
    If they really are dying like flies as the media is making out then the numbers are not just 3000 deaths per day.
    
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    April 30, 2021 9:48am
    - Jack5
      
      From yesterday’s edition of the English-language Times of India:
      
      “With many Covid patients in the capital [New Delhi] being forced to undergo treatment at home due to shortage of beds, many deaths are taking place oustide health facilities and [are] often being treated as non-Covid during last rites.”
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:11am
    - SB2
      
      cmm, wrong. The Indian government has been accused of hiding their Covid 19 death toll.
      
      But coming from a Covid19 denialist what the heck!
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-india-accused-of-hiding-true-infection-death-statistics/K32JRRDAJ5NDQKG5TQTF2IUWM4/
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:33am
      - cmm
        
        Which bit was wrong?
        
        You say: “The Indian government has been accused of hiding their Covid 19 death toll. ”
        
        Isn’t that pretty much exactly what I said?
        
        I said: “If they really are dying like flies as the media is making out then the numbers are not just 3000 deaths per day.”
        
        If the media reports are correct that many are dying, then the official numbers of around 3000 are way too low.
        
        If there is a background death rate of 50,000 (or even 27,000) then you’d need a massive increase to make it noticeable. You’d hardly notice a 6% or 10% increase. That would add one extra body to burn out of 10, so everyone just shift up a bit.
        
        If the funeral burning places are really massively overwhelmed then the numbers must be HUGE.
        
        Perhaps it is only a few places (eg. near hospitals) that are overwhelmed?
        
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        April 30, 2021 1:05pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      It could be that there are now many more people seeking hospital treatment, whereas most of the 51,000 simply died at home knowing there was nothing as simple as Oxygen to save them. Hence the already underfunded health system being overwhelmed by what seems a small increase in deaths. For every death there will be a lot of extremely ill and moderately ill people in the hospital queue.
      
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      April 30, 2021 10:48am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      The Phillipines has almost identical death rate per million. 155 against India’s 150
      India’s death rate is 1%. World death rate 2%
      Phillipines have nearly double the death rate in percentage of infections, the world average.
      Press will never report this as hasn’t got the fear factor.
      The figures are only as good as the countries report them, China sitting on 4 deaths in a year is almost to good to believe.
      Just more fear porn being peddled.
      Only figure that matters is total deaths which they don’t seem to lie about, it is rarely reported.
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I dunno where I read it, prob a webpage using Google. There you go, maybe it was a Mike type deflection
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        This is where I found the 27000per day:
        https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/seeing-the-invisible/yes-850-died-of-covid-recently-in-a-day-but-27000-die-every-day-in-india/
        
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        April 30, 2021 11:43am
    - septic skeptic
      
      There are many who figure that the actual covid deaths are 3x or 4x official figures. So that would imply around 20% excess deaths, and still climbing. It’s bad. But maybe no worse than Brasil over the last few weeks. Less international concern over Brazil though.
      Also interesting to note the pattern in naming viruses and mutations:
      
      Covid 19 (definitely not the Wuflu, that’s racist)
      Brazilian variant
      South African variant
      UK variant
      Californian variant
      B.1.617
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My number came from an Indian blog, which I now realise.
      Media going crazy about 3000 funeral pyres a day, but no mention of 51000 funerals a day
      
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      April 30, 2021 11:50am
      - fernglas
        
        If you have to conduct 27,000 cremations a day, and assuming that the crematoria are going fairly efficiently, 3,000 more per day is obviously going to overload them.
        
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        April 30, 2021 12:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fernglas, they burn them out in the open, a funeral pyre. I work with a NZ born Indian guy. He has shown me photos his Grandma in India sent.
        Disturbing
        
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        April 30, 2021 2:06pm
    - Happy1
      
      Cmm, the population of India in 1950 was 376,000,000. How does your novel method of working out the daily death number accommodate this? Clearly the India times number of 27000 has credibility. The given daily deaths of 3000 underestimates but how much? This time last year the daily deaths in the UK went from a normal 11,000 to 22,000. Double. Something similar is happening in India.
      
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      April 30, 2021 7:00pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “The media are fucking with the truth” yep, pretty much the definition of media in 2021. No longer the 4th estate, rather the 5th column.
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:48pm
- I remember when
  
  Hungary 2819 covid deaths per million
  Czechia 2717 covid dpm
  Bosnia & Herz 2593 covid dpm
  Bulgaria 2357 covid dpm
  When India get to 2,000,000 deaths their rate will be 1437 dpm.
  
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  April 30, 2021 9:44am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Give it time, please report back in 2 weeks, the virus is now only just moving out into new areas in India.
    
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    April 30, 2021 10:50am
  - MCos
    
    It’s glaringly obvious the official data coming out of India is woefully inadequate.
    Furthermore
    They, along with a number of Asian countries have come late to the worst of the pandemic.
    https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavirus-deaths.amp.html
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:02am
    - fernglas
      
      New Zealand hasn’t just come late, it’s still trying to remember where it put the car keys. We are India waiting to happen
      
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      April 30, 2021 12:20pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    It is hard to compare between countries as testing and reporting varies so much. Some have poor testing and many deaths go unreported. Others test widely and report any death subsequent to a +ve test as a covid death.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:36am
Jack5

Christchurch ratepayers faced with Mafia-level rates from the Christchurch City Council should note the council’s plans almost to play angel investor.

The council’s hype unit, Christchurch NZ, claims to have generated $41.5 million in GDP during 2019-2020, almost certainly an inflated guess. We’re always getting GDP guesses. Conference X will generate 5 zillion dollars, sports clash Y will bring in 7 zillion.

The council unit’s pushing for a budget of $15.9 million over the next three years. It claims about 50 businesses are in “active discussions” about moving to Christchurch. Just what the $15.9 million is destined for should be spelled out. The suspicion is it will be largely subsidies.

Christchurch has locked up its long-held investments in the Lyttelton Port Company, the local power lines provider, and Christchurch Airport (which is talking of expanding to Central Otago). Then there’s its secretive investment in a jet-engine reconditioning plant.

Christchurch compares poorly with the country’s stand-out local body investor, the Bay of Plenty Regional council, which has done so well with its controlling stake in the Stock Exchange-listed Port of Tauranga.

Is the Christchurch’s Business NZ unit run by a business wizard? The chief executive, Joanna Norris, was previously editor of the Christchurch Press newspaper, which had been falling in paid subscriptions for years. With the rest of Stuff, it’s now on a survival drip-feed from taxpayers.
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April 30, 2021 9:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Thanks for the alert.
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:24am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

Fab to see those ‘Dognappers’ who shot Lady Gaga’s dog-walker and stole her Frenchies have finally been arrested.
Charged with Attempted Murder & Armed Robbery.
Including the woman who returned them hoping for the 500k reward!

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1387858616137383938
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April 30, 2021 9:10am
thirteenstars

Free Speech Coalition latest:

“Court of Appeal decision pending

“We’ve got word from the Court of Appeal that its decision regarding our judicial review of Phil Goff’s ban of the Canadian Speakers will be released tomorrow (Friday).

“Cancel culture: Harry Potter cancelled at Wairarapa book festival

“A significant book festival has cancelled a Harry Potter quiz event due to complaints of JK Rowling being transphobic. Ironically, the same festival also features a panel discussion of cancel culture (you couldn’t make this up!)

https://www.freespeechcoalition.nz/
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April 30, 2021 9:21am
- SB2
  
  I note this piece from your link ,,
  
  David Farrar
  ✔
  @dpfdpf
  Did you know that Labour is proposing that speech crimes will carry a larger maximum sentence than rioting, assaulting a child and providing explosives to commit a crime?
  
  I think that should be” hate” speech crimes?
  
  “A significant book festival has cancelled a Harry Potter quiz event…” ???
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:39am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Hate speech crimes are speech crimes. Actually, they’re thought crimes since suppression of speech is a denial of the right to express your thoughts.
    
    The goal of all speech suppression is to suppress thought: if you don’t hear it, you won’t think it, and if you don’t think it, you won’t say it.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:14am
I remember when

If you think you are in for a crap weekend –
just be thankful you’re not a duck.
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April 30, 2021 9:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The PETA wankers will be out protesting and annoying hunters.
  Wild duck and orange sauce, it has been a long time
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:35am
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…..WATCH LIVE

Melbourne and Brisbane on Covid Alert.
Hundreds of people told to get tested urgently!!

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1387877686136098816
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April 30, 2021 9:23am
- JibberJabber
  
  You going to follow BadBenzo
  @benzo_bad s advice Maggie?
  
  He may have to patent that procedure…
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Today’s kids want to start a revolution, when in reality they can’t even start a bloody lawnmower //
https://babylonbee.com/news/op-ed-what-kids-these-days-need-is-a-good-world-war?
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April 30, 2021 9:34am
- SB2
  
  “Op-Ed: What Kids These Days Need Is A Good Old-Fashioned World War”
  
  With the frontline weapon of choice, Nukes
  
  LOL!
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fuck you are stupid
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:10pm
Jack5

Сan we feel safe while judges hand out sentences like that on Renata Winiata Paorakingi Sweeney, 19, who drove around Otago with an unlicensed rifle spotlighting and killing farmers’ deer and hacking off the heads?

One of the three stags shot alone was worth $2000. He also slaughtered a hind.

Sweeney, accompanied by a younger friend, left the stags’ headless carcases.

Judge David Robinson in the Dunedin District Court sentenced Sweeney to 200 hours of community work and ordered reparation of $1000. Judge Robinson rejected the police suggestion to ban Sweeney from driving because it would “set him up to fail”.

The teenager who was with Sweeney during the poaching was sentenced in the Youth Court.

Ardern’s government is emptying jails and putting crims, often gang members, up in hotels and motels.

Ardern is creating a race-based, separatist justice system .and she has greatly tightened restrictions on law-abiding gun owners. What path is she taking us on?

The deer-killer case:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/community-work-for-teen-poacher-who-decapitated-stags-during-lockdown/DPMO7WMABHENI7DVQ46JSZJTTQ/
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April 30, 2021 9:45am
- Keith White
  
  He’s from more than one Protected Species.
  
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  April 30, 2021 1:24pm
wreck1080

Racist reporting from the NZ Herald, I noticed a trend where newspapers do not list the offenders ethnicity. I wonder why they chose to do so in this instance.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cowardly-attack-mobility-scooter-rider-knocked-out-by-robbers-in-whangarei/ZPOLZCFGQ47LQKRUIDRW7ADMXI/

“The two males are described as teenagers of Māori ethnicity, one of whom was taller and slimmer in build than the other.”

These boys should enrol into the otago medical school or become nonelected council members. Easier money than beating disabled people.
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April 30, 2021 9:50am
I remember when

Joe Biden is loving being able to change all the Trump laws and foreign policy.
Isn’t it great being able to wave the arms and scatter the financial goodwill.
No need to be too thoughtful: No consequences.
Bet he is looking forward to the next three years to see what the results are going to be.
Unarmed police, no black crime, immigrants waiting for their green card, China and Russia embracing democracy.
Reality
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April 30, 2021 10:02am
Maggie Pie

‘China’s Communists Fund Jacinda Ardern’s Labor Party’

Old news? Picked up again today in the UK 🙁

https://twitter.com/WalkerMarcus/status/1387797330749972487
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April 30, 2021 10:04am
- SB2
  
  MP , dead link. Please fix to verify its authenticity ?
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:44am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Appears to be blocked, must be a fact then.
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:59am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, seems to have vanished… spooky! /s
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who in the NZ media will ask Jaspinda about this?
  Not allowed to??
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Link still working fine for me (?)
  
  #Batz – can u check & confirm, over 😀
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:57am
  - [email protected]
    
    Me too.
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:12pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thx 4 nuttin’ Batz.
    
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    April 30, 2021 5:57pm
oldfella

I think ayoteearower might have beaten Oz to this idea. /s
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“A proposal to give First Nations culture far greater emphasis in the national curriculum and teach students that many saw settlement as invasion will test Australians’ willingness to move on from culture wars, education experts say.
A revised curriculum would also take references to Australia’s ‘Christian heritage’ out of civics in favour of terms such as secular and multi-faith, while history students would be taught that cultural touchstones such as the Anzac legend and Australia Day are contested.”
https://www.smh.com.au/education/more-first-nations-less-christian-heritage-in-curriculum-changes-20210429-p57nm4.html
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April 30, 2021 10:27am
- SB2
  
  In a nutshell, I think OZ has moved on from the bad old days of White Australia.
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:46am
  - Keith White
    
    I know, right. Monty Python nailed it.
    
    “What did the Romans oops Whites ever do for us?”
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:25pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Great Apostasy.
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:19am
Jack5

Stuff earns its Ardern subsidy today with a cartoon with both a vicious depiction of Judith Collins and a distortion of her views on Maori health.

For the vast majority of us who don’t subscribe to Stuff newspapers: it carries a tombstone with the statement “Maori die 7 years earlier than non-Maori”, counterposed with a message attributed to Collins saying the health problem is not an issue of race.

The humourless, bitter Leftist who drew the cartoon is too thick or too biased to see that you can offer alternative solutions to a racial group’s apparent health problems other than apartheid-style separate health services.
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April 30, 2021 10:28am
- redflagged
  
  The question that media and Labour aren’t asking or telling is why Maori have terrible health in general.
  
  Could it be the obesity in combination with smokes, drugs, alcohol and laziness on a greater scale?
  
  However everyone of those individuals can change any of those if they want to, regardless of race.
  
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  April 30, 2021 10:56am
  - Sacha
    
    I came to think that some Maori have a very acquiescent attitude to ill health.
    Or should I say ‘fatalistic’?
    They would listen, and agree to plans of action/treatment/medication, but it was very common to find that they had not collected the prescription, or if they had, didn’t take the meds as prescribed. Diet advice was a waste of time – they would agree that some aspect of their diet was bad for them, but then continue with it. Often they would be agreeing to being treated, but would defer to the local medical man, who would have an alternative treatment to offer.
    And they may or may not keep appointments.
    I don’t think that the proposed new Health Authority will have any better outcomes, but no doubt will find a way to blame European medicine for its failures.
    
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    April 30, 2021 6:58pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Early death from an unhealthy lifestyle is not a matter of race–it may be cultural. The ethnic groups involved have a duty to their own to adopt better practices or suffer the consequences.
  “Maori Health” won’t fix it, this is not a money or a deep cultural spiritual matter. It is also not going through a machine like in a butchery and being trimmed to size. Attitudes and will are involved. I’ve had to learn to adapt to avoid complications from diabetes and other future weight related problems which took out my father. The worst part was confronting a permanent change in lifestyle. The idea was worse than the actuality which only took a few weeks.
  Maori Health is also not a political right or a Treaty issue. Each segment of society has its own genetic clusters affecting their way forward. Public health advisers will be aware of those and its a simple citizenship right to have agencies work with at risk groups from all cultures.
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:17am
  - rockape
    
    I am a Glasweigan aged 74. The life expectancy of my kinflolk living in Glasgow (males) is 54. https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/average-healthy-life-expectancy-glasgow-19693673
    Now should Glasweigans like me get health priority or could we say thant my healthy lifestyle helped. Maybe if Maori moved to Singapore where drugs and booze are hard to come by and there is no benefit or junkfood then they would live longer.
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      Those Scots life expectancy figures are grim.
      
      Maori activists might note that having a separate health service (NHS Scotland) from England doesn’t seem to have helped.
      
      Whisky, deep-fried Mars bars, and haggis obviously don’t do a lot for health.
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:05pm
      - rockape
        
        That’s Glasgow., go to the Western Islands and it’s about 20 years more.
        
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        April 30, 2021 2:48pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s colonialism..
      
      Before the Sassenach took our lands we were a happy, peaceful lot of folk, with the exception of the bloody Campbells (English stooges); Damn MacLeods – Land grabbers – and hairy folk from the North-East.
      
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      April 30, 2021 4:16pm
- cmm
  
  Sure Maori might die 7 years earlier, but spending billions extra on Maori won’t help unless the people accept some self responsibility for their own health.
  
  The health system can only move the needle so far, the rest is up to the patient.
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:26am
  - JackRabbit
    
    And dying 7 years earlier has nothing to do with the pigmentation colour in the skin. It all has to do with what goes into the mouth, and exercise, which is preceded by attitude.
    
    Throwing them more handouts and spending money on the ambulances at the bottom of the cliff will do nothing to change attitudes. As you state, self-responsibility is the only answer. It does not require money, as healthy food and exercise has to be way cheaper than junk food, excess alcohol, smoking, etc.
    
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    April 30, 2021 11:51am
    - cmm
      
      There certainly ARE genetic factors to health and it is not just lifestyle choices. Maori might be predisposed to shorter lives.
      
      But add a layer of poor lifestyle choices and they make that much worse for themselves.
      
      Only individuals can sort these things out for themselves.
      
      I’m very tall. The cardiologist tells me that will tend to knock 5 to 10 years off my life. The only way to mitigate some of that is through lifestyle choices. I can’t pay someone else to exercise on my behalf which I sit on the couch and hoover down the chips.
      
      I can’t do some exercise on behalf of a Maori person. I can’t eat better on behalf of a Maori person. Only individuals can take care of themselves.
      
      These new Maori spend-ups will not improve Maori health. All they will do is make another broreaucracy to plunder.
      
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      April 30, 2021 12:24pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Exactly.
        
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        April 30, 2021 3:22pm
    - Keith White
      
      Men die 7 years earlier than women. Where’s the Men-Only Health Authority?
      
      /sarc (in case it’s needed).
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:26pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Why sarc? Seriously. It’s universally acknowledged that men die earlier than women, but is never considered to be worthy of remediation. Unlike just about any other inequality that you can think of.
        
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        May 1, 2021 8:04am
- zulumonster
  
  And it is never mentioned that Maori life expectancy is improving at a rate far greater than other races, and has been for some time. It just doesn’t fit the narrative …
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:10pm
  - Jack5
    
    Females live longer than males in New Zealand.
    
    If males lived longer than females Leftists would likely demand a separate health authority for females.
    
    Maori health is poorer than that of New Zealand’s non-Maori. Just forming a second, race-based health authority won’t hurry change in that.
    
    From 2011-2012 figures, Maori cancer “registrations” are 25 per cent higher than those of non-Maori, and Maori cancer death rate (for people aged more than 24) is 79 per cent higher.
    
    In New Zealand’s most prevalent form of the disease, skin cancer, Maori have a lower rate that White people, because brown skin provides some protection from the sun.
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    The gain in Life expectancy over the last 50 years has been spectacular for Maori
    
    https://socialreport.msd.govt.nz/content/images/figure-h1-2-RGB.png
    
    I seriously doubt that we will see such a rate of change in the future decades.
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:21pm
- Paulus
  
  The cartoonist – sic – is called Emmerson and he is and always will be a prime quality Labour jerk doing what he is told to.
  His day will come !
  
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  April 30, 2021 1:59pm
SB2

An apology to Sue Bradford that is long ,long overdue,

“Number of parents smacking children drops by half in 15 year”

There has been a significant reduction in the number of parents smacking their children, a new study has found.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441474/number-of-parents-smacking-children-drops-by-half-in-15-years
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April 30, 2021 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep, and the kids are growing up to be right little arseholes with a bad attitude to everyone
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:15pm
- cmm
  
  … and??? so what?
  
  The real problem was not light smacking. It was, and is, knocking kids around badly.
  
  How much has that reduced?
  
  Bradford was being an activist saying that there’s no difference between a smack and using a 2×4 – when there clearly is.
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bradford was buying votes – using children being naughty and not reprimanded, to buy votes. It is the way the left work
    
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    April 30, 2021 2:10pm
- septic skeptic
  
  SB, I trust you also pay homage to John Key on this one. It might have been Bradford’s bill, but it would never have passed without John Key’s support as leader of the opposition. One of JKs few major policy achievements, alongside the expansion of the Working For Families scheme and signing up to the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples.
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:55pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I think that study is pretty meaningless. “In this study, University of Otago researchers tracked participants who were parents over a 15-year period between 2002 and 2017, when they were aged between 25 and 40, and collected information about how they disciplined their children.”
  
  So some parents smacked their children when they were little, say 2-5 years old, and fewer smack them now they’re grown, say 17-20 years old. Tells you nothing, except parents smack young kids and not so much the older kids who could thump them back.
  
  Even the woman from Otago who Hosking interviewed this morning said it couldn’t be attributed to the law change.
  
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  April 30, 2021 6:55pm
doublehappy

Yesterday I had the good fortune to accompany my 2 young grandsons to MOTAT (Museum of Transport and Technology). Their young minds were greatly stimulated and educated with a good balance of things they could participate in, ride on and see the older items and how these items have developed over years. Full marks to the people running MOTAT, they are doing a great service to the people of New Zealand.
Now what spoiled it for me greatly was the writing of the descriptions that accompanied the exhibits. Someone has seen fit to add new words alongside the well known names, like wheels and the machine parts, named by the inventers in years gone by. These new words must have been invented recently, because Maori had no previous knowledge of wheels and machines. So why is this being done and only succeeding in bastardising a perfectly wonderful language that we currently understand and enjoy?
The only place I can see where the Maori language could be used in a museum on transport would be waterborne vehicles. But as there are no examples of watercraft at MOTAT, there is absolutely no reason for this second class language is added in order to barstardize a first class language.
I can’t think of the word, or a phrase, that is currently used to describe this terrible new barstardization of our language. Can anyone enlighten me?
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April 30, 2021 11:15am
- Paulus
  
  Thought you may like this – a short while ago we were with some Indian Citizen friends and one said that his son was involved at Primary school with all things Maori.
  So dad read to us from a school article in Maori and did we have a laugh, as I can assure you Te Reo in Indian dialect had us all in hysterics.
  Don’t tell Andrew Little as we would all be jailed.
  
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  April 30, 2021 2:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You already said the word. “barstardization”
  
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  April 30, 2021 2:12pm
Maggie Pie

STUFF

Dark Caucasian
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April 30, 2021 11:23am
- SB2
  
  MP, or maybe your word of choice, [Deleted – Mod]!
  
  [Mod: Use racist phrases again, and you’re in for a long holiday]
  
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  April 30, 2021 11:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    hEY – Was that you we saw yesterday SB?
    Old model bloo Corolla, heading along Dom Rd towards Mt Roskill.
    Faded bumper sticker…. ‘EAT THE RICH’
    
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    April 30, 2021 12:28pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Nah more likely he was the decrepit tiny old man in the trench coat heading down Balmoral Road towards the coffee shop in St Lukes
      
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      April 30, 2021 1:13pm
Rusty

So Joe Biden said in his opening address to congress that the insurrection (protest is a better word) on capitol hill in January was the worst threat on Americas democracy since the civil war.

Is this man for real?

Was the Japanese attack on Pearl harbour and Hitler declaring war on the USA both in 1941 or 9/11 attacks in New York not worse than this protest/riots on capitol hill ?

Everything Biden and the democrats attacked Donald Trump over i.e divisive, biased, racialist, etc, Biden and the democrats are doing themselves.
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April 30, 2021 11:45am
- Nickc2
  
  Biden is a decrepit idiot!
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:32pm
- cmm
  
  I would not say that the Pearl Harbour or declaration of WW2 were huge threats to democracy per se. Threats to the country, yes, but not their democratic processes.
  
  But definitely the suppression of democratic freedoms by the wartime government was pretty bad.
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:34pm
- Littletramp
  
  Rusty, it is real simple and nothing has changed. Trump immediately cut out all the b/s funding the politicians & elites were stealing from taxpayers via charities, sub committees, aid packages, overseas and domestic grants etc, and they hated him for it. Everything else is the propaganda spin game they dominate through owning media, big tech, Hollywood & the education system. The average American is stuffed.
  The game was up on election night at exactly 8.30pm NZ time, when they stopped vote counting in US with Trump well ahead, and in just 5 minutes worldwide betting markets went from Trump $1.45 to win to Trump $4.50 to win.
  All was confirmed when the Supreme Court showed the complicity & dived for cover. Democrats don’t need to pack the court it is already in on the big con.
  We can only watch & wonder what comes next. It won’t be pretty.
  
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  April 30, 2021 1:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Trump immediately cut out all the b/s funding the politicians & elites were stealing from taxpayers via charities
    
    Well, Trump certainly knows how to steal from charities.
    
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    April 30, 2021 2:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump cut that funding to the extent of putting the brakes on Pelosi. She was off on a junket to Brussels I think. Had a passenger list of 93? All relatives and Nancy sycophants. Booze, food, hotels all c/- taxpayer.
    Trump just said ‘you are not taking Air Force One’
    Well that just grounded her – no way would she pay to go on an airline.. Pelosi hates Trump for that, just one of the many hates she has
    
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    April 30, 2021 3:40pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How does Biden explain the cyber attacks on the voting machines on the eve of the election?
  
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  April 30, 2021 3:29pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Cyber, machines, voting. Those are big words. Biden has trouble explaining the day of the week.
    
    Biden is a Olympic swimming pool filled with dead rats.. that TDS sufferers are happily swallowing.
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:16pm
JibberJabber

Lucky she didn’t swear at him, it woulda got her 3 years in the pokey under Littles hate speech laws.
Fortunately, she was only hopped up on meth and thought he was there to steal her Weed.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/04/auckland-woman-found-guilty-of-killing-partner-gets-nine-months-home-detention.html
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April 30, 2021 11:48am
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124989385/halls-truck-driver-filmed-running-vehicle-off-the-road-in-canterbury

That idiot deserves to be run off the road. What sort of clown sets his cruise control at 90 (actually about 85) on the open road and deliberately holds everyone up for mile after mile? Notice how many cars are passing the truck while it’s ‘running him
off the road.’
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April 30, 2021 12:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does not pass the sniff test. I suspect the idiot sped up to stop the truck passing- but he did not realise the tractor/semi was towing another trailer.
  Btw, I have a Class 5 License
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:24pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Read the article, he was towing a trailer, the speed limit for towing is 90kph.
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:35pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Oh sorry, my bad, trailer tower good, truckie bad.
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:04pm
  - greybeard
    
    The truck should have been travelling at 90kph as well and therefore have had no need to (a) tailgate and (b) pass.
    
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    April 30, 2021 1:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am thinking the idiot driver has had a tyre/mag change and the cruise control/speedo needs calibrating. Still say he was being an arsehole and sped up
    
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    April 30, 2021 2:15pm
- [email protected]
  
  It is two lanes in the direction that the truck was going. After viewing the video multiple times it is obvious that the truck driver did this on purpose. He signaled so the truck driver knew there was someone on the left but pulled into the lane nevertheless. The truck driver could easily have waited till it was safe to do so.
  
  For whatever reason he almost killed some people and deserves to be prosecuted.
  
  Truck drivers are notoriously underpaid and are known to drive more hours than they should to make a decent income. Still no excuse to nearly kill other people.
  
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  April 30, 2021 7:53pm
cmm

Disgusting activist reporting from the $1 rag.

Maori student rep resigns over being paid less than others and the systematic racism at UC. Shocking racism!

You need to read through quite a few paragraphs to start getting a hint of the truth – she is committing to less work and, wow, she ends up with less pay.

Imagine her in the workforce – I demand full pay but I’ll only turn up for work one day a week!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300289241/mori-student-rep-resigns-over-unequal-pay
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April 30, 2021 12:11pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Rosa Hibbert Schooner doesnt look v Maori to me. I wonder how much non Maori blood runs in her veins???
  
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  April 30, 2021 2:11pm
- greybeard
  
  Rosa Hibbert-Schooner.
  Good old maori family name there.
  I wonder from which Hibbert-Schooner iwi she comes?
  
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  April 30, 2021 3:48pm
Batman

A special post for those who like to post obscure websites which give the headlines from their wildest dreams.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/04/28/jack-posobiec-links-russian-intelligence-backed-website

OANN and Jack Posobiec have been channeling Russian disinformation and are the leading boosters of this stuff. Lots of it ending up in more mainstream conservative outlets.

What a shame that conservative media is now a funnel for the destruction of American democracy.

For shame.
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April 30, 2021 12:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  “I’d rather be a Russian than a Democrat”
  
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  April 30, 2021 12:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  SPLC? They want to remove all whites.
  I’m just going to have to buy some nugget.
  
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  April 30, 2021 3:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  SPLC is a hard left propaganda outfit pushing racial hate. You’d be hard pressed to find a more biased source.
  
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  April 30, 2021 4:44pm
Philview

The structures of separatism and co-governance are being implemented every day.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/124990089/waitangi-tribunal-says-oranga-tamariki-in-breach-of-treaty-government-needs-to-step-back-from-intruding-into-mori-communities
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April 30, 2021 1:03pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I fear that this separatism has reached critical mass and short of revolution there is now no way back to a society where everyone had equal rights under the law.
  
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  April 30, 2021 2:48pm
  - Batman
    
    Apparently to some toddlers, equal rights looks unfair.
    
    You still have the same rights as the other children in the playground, you just have to share the toys with them, okay?
    
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    April 30, 2021 3:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No Batman. Every toddler needs their own toy supplied by the Govt (taxpayer)
      Bit like a trophy when you come last – such is today’s woke wankers
      
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      April 30, 2021 3:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dirty tricks by the Democrats on the 2nd Amendment over ruled by Judges. Unconstitutional. The Dems wanted to make owning guns and getting a license so expensive that nobody wanted to own a gun.
Failed.
https://thegoptimes.com/massive-2nd-amendment-win-judges-ruling-on-unconstitutional-tactics-by-the-democrats/?
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April 30, 2021 1:43pm
Maggie Pie

Julie Anne calls for cycle-lanes and walking-tracks to be included in construction of Transmission Gully.
Says cuts to funding during ‘climate emergency’ is outrageous!

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1387914359389622277
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April 30, 2021 1:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Captain Mainwaring calls for Julie Anne to go back to America and leave us alone.
  
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  April 30, 2021 2:00pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree Captain. Jump on your straw broom Julie Anne and Foxtrot Oscar!
    
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    April 30, 2021 2:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Bit harsh there Captain…..she’s from Canada 😀
    
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    April 30, 2021 2:10pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My understanding is she is from California, but born in Rochester, Minnesota. Unless the Google machine tells lies.
      Anyway, she is mad, NZ does not need her. On ya bike Genter
      
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      April 30, 2021 2:21pm
Happychappy

Grant Robertson and Jacinda Ardern can lie to the world and our MSM here except it without saying a whimper.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/grant-robertson-tells-the-world-kiwis-understood-why-other-nations-needed-covid-19-vaccines-first.html
Robertson tells the world that Kiwis understand why other Countries need Covd-19 vaccines First. What a lot of hogwash and blatant lies from this most so called transparent Government in NZ.
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April 30, 2021 2:16pm
- DeepBlue
  
  It is where we end that counts, but since we have started, the end should come a soon as we can. So aiming for say Q3 would be better than the end of 2021. If the government don’t want to open the borders till next year then there is no hurry.
  
  Note that Robertson says everyone who wants a vaccine will get one this year. That seems a change in brief from sufficient for herd immunity in the population. Seems they know there will be a long tail with this.
  
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  April 30, 2021 4:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden has a drive by rally in Georgia today. Not seeing much other that Biden raving incoherently.
This clown could not fill a school classroom with supporters in 2020.
Trump had a vehicle rally that stretched for 96 MILES!
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April 30, 2021 2:32pm
- Batman
  
  Steve you seem hung up and a little overly keen to keep on bringing up the irresponsible behaviour of Trump and his supporters during a pandemic which has likely killed tens of thousands of Republicans and Trump supporters through disbelief of scientific advice.
  
  3:30pm is definitely cold drink time ?
  
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  April 30, 2021 3:31pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    You’re right on the money, Batman.
    
    Those crazy evangelicals / Trumpelstiltskins would rather die than get the jab.
    
    Read this, Kiwibloggers, and weep: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2021/04/denial-unto-death-conservatives-covid-vaccine-refusal/?
    
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    April 30, 2021 3:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Steve Todd. Many say they will have the vaccine because they have ‘researched’ it.
      The dumb fucks don’t realise they ARE the research
      
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      April 30, 2021 4:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Batman, Trump did not put sick people in elderly rest homes.
    Explain who did – please.
    Explain why two hospital ships were not even used in New York?
    I know the answer – severe TDS, but you will never admit that. Please continue about the rest home stuff, I will wait
    
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    April 30, 2021 3:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cold drink yes, Batman. Stella thanks. Then a spa, then back in the kitchen. My turn to do the Fri eggburgers – meat patty, egg, red onion, avocado, cheese, cole slaw, lettuce, garlic, maybe some saffron?
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:37pm
70andstilllearning

FFS
Clearly time Stuff re branded. NzLabPravda being my call but other options welcome.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300289650/covid19-air-nz-reports-bubble-breach-as-rarotonga-traveller-connects-direct-to-perth
How the hell has a left leaning news source been fed this information when the only entities that should know are:

1) ANZ( a majority owned govt company)
2) Some govt departments ( Immigration obviously but also probably MOH as well)
3) Possibly a Minister(s) PR department.

Cooks bubble has been a contention with the PM for some time. I hope whoever the individual is, is on a Diplomatic Passport – that might be embarrassing. 🙂
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April 30, 2021 3:34pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  At 14:42, 20 minutes after Stuff published, the flight was still 3 hrs out from Perth. ( flightaware)
  
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  April 30, 2021 3:40pm
- DeepBlue
  
  So it’s not just National leaking.
  
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  April 30, 2021 4:08pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Original article could disappear shortly ??
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:23pm
- MCos
  
  News of that breach appeared on the NZ Herald a few minutes earlier than Stuff.
  It’s called transparency.
  BTW
  ANZ is an Australian owned bank.
  AirNZ is majority owned by the NZ Govt, which is probably just as well otherwise whoever did own it might have drastically cut back services last year even more than it was.
  
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  April 30, 2021 5:42pm
Ruawai

Here is a novel idea, if they set up these schools as wanted by the school principals they could maybe call them Charter Schools.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/04/nz-principals-federation-calls-on-govt-to-introduce-alternatives-for-very-complex-troubled-students.html
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April 30, 2021 3:44pm
- MCos
  
  On the one hand the National Party is not in favour of the Maori Health Authority, labeling it separatism.
  On the other they were in favour of Charter Schools a number of which were setup by Maori Trusts to aid struggling students.
  
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  April 30, 2021 5:26pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    Not the same thing at all.
    The equivalent would be a Maori Ministry of Education, and a separate non-Maori Ministry of Education.
    Charter schools are more like alternative or private health facilities, which exist alongside the state run hospitals.
    
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    April 30, 2021 7:09pm
  - Keith White
    
    Primary Diagnosis: False Equivalence.
    Secondary Diagnosis: Straw Man Syndrome.
    
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    April 30, 2021 7:24pm
DeepBlue

How much of a threat are the Maori caucus and the Maori Party to Jacinda? There seems to be plenty of Maori gains over and above working group recommendations and Labour Party manifesto: Council Wards, Separate Health, extra push for Te Reo, Education Histories. There is more behind all these initiatives than Jacinda finding a new desire to assist Maori, by Maori. Could this be the true reason why Labour retained the Waka Jumping law?
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April 30, 2021 4:05pm
- Philview
  
  The Maori Party last election wanted a separate Maori Parliament and $20 billion a year to pay for it. Imagine if they are kingmaker next time.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yeah ok, I stole this.
The pandemic did nor wreck the NZ economy.
The pandemic did not mentally destroy kids.
The pandemic did not close down schools.
The pandemic RESPONSE did all those things.
Convince yourself “we had no choice” and you know it is a fucking LIE!!!! and you know it you socialist wankers
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April 30, 2021 4:12pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Keep it civil Steve – the majority don’t have ( insert noun).
  
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  April 30, 2021 4:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Noun?’ trying to get me in trouble?
    Batman you can debate with – some of the other secret mods you get no explanation
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:45pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Actually protecting self for reasons you seemed to have discerned.
      ?
      
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      April 30, 2021 4:53pm
  - Keith White
    
    We’re being guided by B-M in regards civility.
    
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    April 30, 2021 4:57pm
- MCos
  
  Consider yourself lucky your alternate choice, whatever it might have been, wasn’t put to the test.
  
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  April 30, 2021 5:06pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    You poor begger MCos
    
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    April 30, 2021 5:41pm
greybeard

This morning ( 1am ) I heard the NewstalkZB news.
( Don’t ask, I am getting on a bit ).
There was an item related to roads.
In it there were two references to “Waka Kotahi” but NO mention of “NZ” or “NZTA”.
It was as if the English language equivalent did not exist. This is just surreptitious and bloody underhand. Anyone unfamiliar with NZ terminology would not have a clue about “waka kotahi”.
And quite frankly, they would be bloody lucky.
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April 30, 2021 4:49pm
- graham
  
  Yes, this is something I have noticed. The name “Waka Kotahi” is most definitely being pushed hard, if not to replace NZTA then at the very least to relegate it to second-class. And while I generally don’t have much time for conspiracy theories (no, really!), it’s pretty obvious that the various media outlets – web-based, TV, radio, and print – have been very clearly instructed to use “Waka Kotahi” as the main name, or the ONLY name.
  
  Many of the articles I read now tend to use both names once at the beginning (basically acknowledging that many people are not at all familiar with what the hell “Waka Kotahi” actually IS), and from then on only “Waka Kotahi” is used. One article in the local rag recently did just this – both names were used once, right at the start, and from then on only “Waka Kotahi” was used, for something like twelve occurrences as I recall. Another article didn’t mention NZTA once.
  
  And of course, the logo has been changed to reflect this. Less than two years ago the logo used to have “NZ Transport Agency” in big type, followed by “Waka Kotahi” underneath and in smaller type. Now it has been reversed – “Waka Kotahi” is presented as the main name in large type, with “NZ Transport Agency” underneath in smaller type.
  
  I recently saw a comment that “naming and renaming should have the aim of clarity and recognition.” Does anybody really think “Waka Kotahi” has achieved this?
  
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  April 30, 2021 5:17pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/04/junk_maths_from_nzta.html#comment-2931292
    I thought I clarified that yesterday 🙂
    
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    April 30, 2021 6:03pm
- Philview
  
  Gone are the days of any advance warning on name changes.
  
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  April 30, 2021 8:50pm
Maggie Pie

I’m starting to worry about Kim’s well being.

That Kanye is looking a bit funny to me about their divorce.

Just saying 🙁
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