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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Play school TV1 breakfast had Campbell gushing over Helen Clark this morning.
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December 13, 2020 10:17am
- MCos
  
  You watch a programme because you think it is Play School?
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I watch it because the speaker of the house insists on it
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:21pm
- jon
  
  No one does gushing like Campbell..YUK.. the guy makes me want to vomit!!
  
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  May 13, 2021 12:55pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Jon: Ditto. I cannot bring myself to watch that channel now. ?
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That’s why I buggered off to work. He was quite sickening. Part of my original comment has been delete – too strong for the mods.
      
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      May 13, 2021 5:54pm
- amospicton
  
  Yes it was sickening. She was clearly enjoying it too – not much chance she was going to call him a “little creep” with all that fawning going on.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And he is a little creep
    
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    May 13, 2021 5:55pm
Happychappy

Why would the Government care about this as they don’t want people in prisons
Unless they are white and Labour supporters and other Parties step up and do the job that they draw large Salaries to do.
Packed room for public meeting on crime and harassment in Wellington our Capital.
Banning patch gang members, increasing the brightness of lights, bringing back volunteer monitoring of CCTV Camera’s have been mooted as solutions to improve safty in Wellingtonsays National List MP Nicola Willis who hosted the Public Meeting.
There has been a increased reporting of sexual abuse and a string of serious assaults including a fatal assault outside Te Papa earlier this year.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/packed-room-for-public-meeting-on-crime-and-harassment-in-wellington/2WXOT7Y6DFUL5VWWX4VQOG65GE/
This is not only happening in Wellington it is happening all over New Zealand and with this Government being soft on crime with policy that cares for the Wellbeing of criminals instead of the safety of Taxpapers you will hear a lot more stories from Cities and Towns all over New Zealand as it won’t get any better will this bunch of idiots lead by our Celebrity Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern continue their quest to lower prison numbers and give criminals the right to do what they want.
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May 13, 2021 8:00am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I’m not confident that you understand what ‘complex needs’ are (especially if they’re created by oppressive colonialism)
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:36am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    The “complex needs” you talk about are just a construct.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:34am
    - David Garrett
      
      Blobby: Umm…she’s taking the piss mate. We all know what “complex needs” are a euphemism for.
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:21am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Occasionally I wish more people got my drift.
        
        It’s just fantastic that KB is such an open hui where we all engage in robust korero though…
        
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        May 13, 2021 10:46am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      AAAHHH…thats it….we’re living in the Matrix.
      
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      May 13, 2021 11:03am
  - Nickc2
    
    Complex needs are what some people are born with (disabilities etc). Others adopt the term for getting things others don’t get. It’s rather like kids, they try things on, we all did. Some throw a tanty and get picked up and cuddled and given a sweet or biscuit previously denied them. Then, they adopt that Complex Need behavior as a means of getting whatever they want.
    I’m sick and tired of hearing about people living in taxpayer-funded Motel Units as being of Complex Need. Yea, they know if they are of a certain colour, scream loudly enough and have a big enough following (kids), they will be given a gratus Motel Unit until the taxpayer builds and settles said person in a State-Owned house.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If you don’t stop mixing up pidgin Maori with English you won’t get Cinders Golliwog prize for straight talking.
    
    Maori lost rights to old customs including, killing each other, when they ceded sovereignty to the British Crown. It cannot be colonialism in any form when they had to change their ways. Perhaps we should have charged more for taking on that burden of care and providing a future which they could not provide themselves. On balance they haven’t done too badly out of it with massive tax free state handouts from generation to generation.
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:32pm
    - [email protected]
      
      Stop Kev!
      
      As a 73 year old still working full time and paying taxes you are depressing me.
      
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      May 13, 2021 5:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Same for me at 69 soon. I look at my Tax return each year and think ‘what did I get out of all of the Tax paid in the last 54 years’
        Then there is GST, GST on Rates, GST all over the place – and the soon to come Capital Gains.
        Soon the bastards will tax a second/fifth hand car on TradeMe
        
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        May 13, 2021 6:23pm
- Democracy
  
  The prime minister has made it very clear, that we have all misunderstood gangs, a soft approach is thereby expected with love, tolerance, & inclusiveness, while they are kicking the Sh*t out of you.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:25am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    I am waiting for Minister of Police to sing Kumbaya to the gangs:
    
    Kumbaya my Gang, kumbaya
    Kumbaya my Gang, kumbaya
    Kumbaya my Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbaya
    Labour’s singing Gang, kumbaya
    Cindy’s singing Gang, kumbaya
    Chicken Little’s singing Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbayah
    Maramrama’s crying Gang, kumbaya
    Megan Pie Wood’s crying Gang, kumbaya
    Chippie’s crying Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbaya
    Judith’s praying Gang, kumbaya
    Knifing Simon’s praying Gang, kumbaya
    Mullet Muller’s praying Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbaya
    Oh Gang, kumbaya
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:38pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  “Packed room for public meeting on crime and harassment in Wellington” – yeah right Happychappy bro. These are the same sheeple who vote en masse for Robber, Eagle that never soars, Ginni the waste Anderson and Chippie. Move on will ya?
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:58am
Scott

Powerline provides a useful summary of the violence happening in Israel at the moment.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/05/the-news-from-israel.php

More than 1000 rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza since the violence began recently. Unfortunately the Biden administration has emboldened Iran which is funding Hamas and the weaponry being used against Israel. Last year the Trump administration were instrumental in getting signed peace agreements between Israel and Arab states. That has all changed with the Biden administration. Trump might put out mean tweets but in my mind that is a small price to pay for peace in the Middle East.

Also on Powerline this morning they note Donald Trump is permanently banned from Twitter apparently for “inciting violence” at the January 6 demonstrations. However given the selective nature of big tech it is no surprise to find out that the Ayatollah Khomeini has a live Twitter account where he encourages attacks on Israel. It is an amazing thing when an American company can ban the previous president from its platform while embracing a sworn enemy of America. That is the crazy, dare I say treasonous, nature of our modern Western elite. They hate their own country while supporting their enemies.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/05/twitter-has-banned-trump-but-permits-celebration-of-attacks-on-israel.php

As is often the case, former Pres Trump is right on point describing the situation – “under Biden, the world is getting more violent and more unstable because Biden’s weakness and lack of support for Israel is leading to new attacks on our allies.”
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May 13, 2021 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  The Bolt report showed a senior Hamas fellow urging Arabs to behead Jews.
  200 of the 1000 Hamas rockets fell short and killed a number of Gazans.
  The housing dispute that’s the alleged source of this latest outbreak is a rent dispute that’s going through the courts , but oh dear some people really want trouble and the Media Party won’t ever tell us the full and unbiased facts or contexts .
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:24am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    The housing dispute that’s the alleged source of this latest outbreak is a rent dispute that’s going through the courts.
    
    Landlords causing trouble again?
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:12am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Idiot Martin making stuff up again?
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:40am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Not quite Martin. Just as it usually is, tenants who because they have rented or squatted for some time, come to believe they have some sort of ownership right to the property. Luckily, both in Israel and NZ, it doesn’t work like that.
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:59am
      - Paulus
        
        But in Andrew Little’s world we are now being told we should consider that renting is similar to sovereignty.
        
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        May 13, 2021 1:37pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    The housing “dispute” was settled in court 40 or 50 years ago kowtow. The current owners actually owned the property in dispute under Ottoman law. The Israeli courts ruled that the tenants had “protected leasehold rights” but had no ownership rights. The leases have now expired. The Arabs involved could have been given title by the Jordanians when they illegally occupied the area in 1948, by the Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Property. And if the JCEP had given title, the Israeli court would have upheld the Arab claim. But they didn’t, and the court could not. Long and short, the property is owned by Jews, and has been since Ottoman times.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:49am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Scary stuff. NZ could be heading down this route if we go ahead with the treaty partnership co-governance.
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:26am
      - Nickc2
        
        There is an old proverb that says (as modified): “What’s mine is mine and what’s yours can also be mine when I want it.
        This has been applied to Bastion Point, Ihumatao and Shelly Bay so far.
        No doubt there will be more to follow now He Puapua is being implemented under urgency and with minimal consultation (Maori Health Agency, Marae Justice and Maori Wards).
        
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        May 13, 2021 12:46pm
- Keith White
  
  …but the dead turtle was buried with due honors and ceremony and at a full trough well dipped into by Te Papa staff; so what else really matters? /sarc.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not sarc when it is true
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:15am
- All_on_Red
  
  Of course Anti Semite Race Baiting Grifters Golhriz and Marama are out there in ‘solidarity’ with Hamas.
  After a long days politicking they probably go home to relax watching their favourite heart warming scenes at the Concentration Camp in Schindler’s List
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  May 13, 2021 8:44am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    … Anti Semite Race Baiting Grifters Golhriz and Marama…
    
    I’d like people to stop using the term “Anti-Semite” in the context of the modern world. When Jews were the only Semitic people in Europe and were getting screwed over by the locals, the term was appropriate.
    
    But the fact is that for three decades or more now the Left have run one of their usual successful propaganda lines of re-defining a word, implying or explicitly saying that being an antisemite means you could also be hating Arabs, Assyrians and so forth, which the anti-Israeli Left obviously are not. It’s a nice bit of obfuscation and deflection.
    
    Just avoid the late 19th century scientific term crafted by the Germans and call Golhriz, Omar, and the rest of them by what the Germans of the day used to describe such everyday hatred, Judenhass.
    
    Jew haters pure and simple.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:25pm
    - curry4me
      
      Tom Hunter: Thanks, I learned a new German word. I’ll start using it where applicable.
      
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      May 13, 2021 7:38pm
- Simon
  
  Yep Biden Admin gave concessions to Iran back in February and now the rockets rain on Israel.
  
  Trump was the peace president as claimed. He knew how to deal with pond scum Mullahs and lefties alike.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Reason for Israeli and Gaza situation is that Iran and Russia are now testing Biden to see if he is awake, and what he is going to be told to do.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:40pm
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 17.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this week’s episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, MSM, Wall Street, $oros, ANTIFA, BLM, and Burisma.
Will Joe Manchin remember he’s a Democrat when he’s with ‘Dr’ Jill? Will Sleepy Joe remember where, and what he is? Will that depend on how well the teleprompter works? Will gas hit $4 a gallon? Will Liz Cheney make it official, and put a D after her name? Will she go to Mar A Lago? Will Ohio be the last red state to tighten up it’s voting laws? Will people become nostalgic for Jimmy Carter? Will hot pants, and flares make a comeback? Will Hilary be VP if Sleepy Joe is removed under the 25th?
Will 100 GOP law makers really form a new party? Will Cheney lead it? Will Pierre Delecto, and Susan Collins join? Will anyone care? Will the logo be a rhinoceros? Will the price of gas drop this week? Did US aid pay for Hamas rockets? Would they have got more if they’d used Bitcoin? Will Ghislane Maxwells favorite song be Staying Alive? Will she? Will Bill Clinton visit?
Stay tuned folks!
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May 13, 2021 8:03am
- Keith White
  
  Hot pants, OK. Even flares. But may the Prime Principle save us from a repeat of the horror that was culottes!
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:48am
  - curry4me
    
    Keith White: Or the Sans Culottes.
    
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    May 13, 2021 7:39pm
CaptainCompromise

LONG READ

Colonialism casts long, negative shadows, so we are told, and problems in most countries today are caused by European colonialism.

Surely then there should at least be a correlation between colonised countries and un-colonised countries and their level of human development. Take a look at the following information, a range of countries nearby each other and their HDI:

Pacific:

Samoa – 0.715
Tonga – 0.725
Fiji – 0.743
American Samoa – 0.827
Hawaii – 0.940
New Zealand – 0.931

Eastern Africa:

Ethiopia – 0.485
Congo, DR – 0.480
Kenya – 0.601
Egypt 0.707
Rwanda 0.543
Eritrea – 0.459
Djibouti – 0.524

Middle East

Iraq – 0.674
Palestine – 0.708
Israel – 0.919
UAE – 0.890
Saudi Arabia – 0.854
Iran – 0.783
Oman – 0.813
Afghanistan – 0.511
Bahrain – 0.852
Qatar – 0.848
Yemen – 0.470
Lebanon – 0.744

South Asia

India – 0.645
Afghanistan- 0.511
Pakistan – 0.557
Nepal – 0.602
Sri Lanka – 0.782
Bangladesh – 0.632
Mauritius – 0.804

South East Asia

Vietnam – 0.704
Cambodia – 0.594
Laos – 0.613
Thailand – 0.777
Malaysia – 0.810
Singapore – 0.938
Brunei – 0.838
Hong Kong – 0.949

West Africa

Sierra Leone – 0.452
Liberia – 0.480
Nigeria – 0.539
Ivory Coast – 0.538
Guinea – 0.477
Morocco – 0.683
Black Americans in USA – 0.838 (source: The Atlantic)

Now I understand HDI isn’t perfect, but I could do the same with GDP, life expectancy, et al and it paints a similar picture. In each category, at least one country was never colonised by Europeans. South Asia there are actually two, in the Middle East there are three. Can you tell from this information which countries were not colonised?

There is no correlation between colonisation in the past and HDI today. What this tells us is that it is not colonisation that determines the current success of a nation, despite the fact many horrible things may have happened during colonial periods, nor is it racism. Rather it is access to resources, level of corruption, culture, stability of government, freedom of the economy, war, ethnic or religious tension and similar factors that determine the current success of the nation.
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May 13, 2021 8:04am
- Nickc2
  
  What is HDI (Human Development ??) Please define what it is, how it’s defined and what the implications are.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:19am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    Human development index, see reply to Kev
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:26am
- Paulus
  
  What is HDI please ?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What is HD1? Meaningless numbers?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:22am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    HDI is a mathematical formula that is a function of life expectancy, access to education and GNI per capita. Don’t ask me how it works, it’s just a good baseline to start with because data is almost universally available for nations and states, and often available for smaller groups.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:25am
  - MCos
    
    Human development index
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:28am
- CaptainCompromise
  
  HDI is essentially a basic measure of how high the material quality of life is in a given population. The closer to 1 the value is the higher the quality of life is. It takes into consideration life expectancy, access to education and GNI per capita. It’s used almost universally to compare the development of countries.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:27am
  - Nickc2
    
    TKS, got it now.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:48am
    - Jack5
      
      IF you go to the web site below you can get the really long read: 412 pages of the United Nations Human Development Report 2020, which centres on the Human Development Index. It includes HDI figures for countries such as China and Zimbabwe.
      
      To me, it’s a crock. This is from the foreword:
      
      “Humans have achieved incredible things, but we have taken the Earth to the brink. Climate change, rupturing inequalities, record numbers of people forced from their homes by conflict and crisis—these are the results of societies that value what they measure instead of measuring what they value.”
      
      The link:
      
      http://hdr.undp.org/en/2020-report
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:48am
      - Nickc2
        
        Thanks, the report lost me at CLIMATE CRISIS.
        
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        May 13, 2021 10:29am
      - CaptainCompromise
        
        I agree it’s flawed, but it is consistant between countries as a general measure, and it’s used by the same people who argue colonialism causes today’s problems so I think it’s a good place to start even if I don’t agree with the background to it.
        
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        May 13, 2021 11:56am
  - MCos
    
    What would you rather have: a healthy lifestyle, multiple PhDs, live to a hundred in wheelchair or be like Keith Richard?
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s only valid for humanoids. Meaningless geometric mean from the UN which brought us equally meaningless climate change projections for a chaotic system.
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:44pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      1. The weather is chaotic but the system has boundaries. Example: summer is warmer than winter.
      
      2. “Climate” in the scientific sense is a statistical concept.
      
      Thousands of thermometers show Earth is warming at a time in the cycle it would normally be cooling. The cause is more CO2 and other non-condensible GHGs in the atmosphere. Irrefutable.
      
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      May 13, 2021 6:35pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Captain Compromise, do you have HDI breakdowns within NZ?
  
  We’d all expect the range to show Pakeha to be way above 0.931 and Maori to be way less. The question is ‘how much less?’. E. G. Tonga less. The other questions are ‘how different is HDI for Tongans in NZ? And dare I ask ‘What about the 100,000 Maori living in Australia?
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:54am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    Great question, no I don’t.
    
    20 years ago it was estimated that it was about 0.1 lower than the national average, just below 0.8. One could argue this is a result of colonialism.
    
    But. It’s also much higher than just about anywhere else in the world at the time, higher than any other country that was not colonised by Europeans. And we can tell from the rest of the data that it is other factors such that influence HDI rather than colonisation. Merely being proportionally less well off than a different demographic in the same society doesn’t mean colonialism is to blame.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Dead right DeepBlue! Statistics, Statistics and more effing lies. Whoever compiles the statistics will get the result they set out to achieve. A bit like computer modeling realy.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:37am
    - CaptainCompromise
      
      True, but you’d have to agree, Prima facie that the statistics don’t paint an obvious picture that colonialism in the past = damnation and the origin of all misery today.
      
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      May 13, 2021 11:54am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yea, I’ll buy that.
        
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        May 13, 2021 1:20pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  “There is no correlation between colonisation in the past and HDI today. ”
  
  Not so sure about that. The ones formerly controlled by Britain are generally ahead. The former French (or Belgian) ones are the worst.
  
  Also, don’t forget Haiti which has been independent for 200 years, more than long enough to undo the damage from colonisation and forge ahead as a beacon of hope for the world. But is actually the worst place to live in the Caribbean.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:15am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    Actually you do make a good point, certain colonisers do seem to have on average different outcomes. But when DR Congo, arguably the worlds worst colony by the worlds worst colonisers (the Belgians) is near as makes no difference the same score as Ethiopia (never colonised) it’s clear that the coloniser itself is still of little consequence in the overall situation today.
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:50am
Nukuleka

Continue to ask the tough questions about separatism in this country, Judith, and get Shane Reti to ask a few in Maori now and then. The more hakas and insults that the clowns in the Maori Party perform in Parliament the more the kiwi public will get to see just what separatism is going to look like. Ugly.
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May 13, 2021 8:04am
- plc
  
  I agree….Judith should continue to go hard on this….and perhaps Simon can include a chapter in his next book.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    The book comment was childish and pathetic but not unexpected.
    
    However, you are right about Judith maintaining pressure.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:27am
- JibberJabber
  
  The race-baiting continues with insane rhetoric from the unelected low IQ munters in the Green Party,
  https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1392373978472325121
  
  Ghahraman fears banning high-risk convicts from owning guns will unfairly target Māori
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gharaman should care more about the victims of the Maori Gangs… maori women, maori children, and shop-keepers of Asian and Middle-Eastern backgrounds.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:30am
    - hullkiwi
      
      ……and in case you didn’t know, the gangs, and all their behaviour is all a result of colonisation, land theft and oppression….
      
      And there we were thinking they were just criminsls, but the good professor has put us right…(refer link below).
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/441935/gangs-in-nz-talking-to-those-ready-to-embark-on-that-path-is-important
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Gun toting Maori are a fair target.
    Gang associated crime seems to be accelerating with the Police going into retirement at the mention of “Maori”.
    A partnership?–more like a wrecking ball.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:33am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Having you been listening Kev? It’s apartheid.
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:07am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Got your gun back yet, B Ronald McDonald?
        
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        May 13, 2021 9:28am
  - kowtow
    
    So she’s saying all gangsters are Maoris , well that’s a bit of racism right there.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:46am
    - Jack5
      
      Golriz is ethnic Iranian, and Iran’s name means land of the Aryans. White gangs will have her face on their T-shirts when they cotton on.
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:51am
  - Maxx
    
    How is it racist to not want to have separate race based systems? Perhaps I should ask the UN?
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:46am
  - Prince
    
    This is appalling, racist profiling by Ghahraman, suggesting Maori are over-represented in the ‘high-risk convicts who own guns’ group.
    It’s time we put an end to this vicious, racist labelling of Tangata Whenua by the Green party.
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:41am
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      May 13, 2021 1:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You haven’t been following our Dear PM; it’s not separatism, it’s partnership.
  
  But at least Rawiri Waititi has told us he’s not interested in our form of democracy.
  “To me, that is where Māori would be able to gain huge traction in this democracy, because we are a minority, and democracy is run by the majority rules, and we are never ever going to be able to participate freely in that particular process.”
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/smooth-sailing-or-a-windy-road-for-electoral-reform
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:21am
  - Paulus
    
    I hear more and more in the so called media about Maori Partnership with everything and everybody.
    It never was and never will be a Partnership with anybody.
    Usual Labour smokescreen.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:25am
    - Nickc2
      
      Partnership is not mentioned in the TOW, Maori or English translations. Who doesn’t get that FFS.
      
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      May 13, 2021 8:44am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Don’t put any money on that.
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:09am
  - yossarian
    
    So are left handed people…dominated by those evil right handers!!!!!
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:51am
  - Swifty
    
    “….and we are never ever going to be able to participate freely in that particular process….”
    
    Why not?
    
    Plenty of Maori have done so and are doing so, in ever greater numbers – both as voters and as candidates, locally and nationally.
    
    Why isn’t this guy challenged repeatedly and strongly over what he is saying?
    
    Oh, and by the way, he doesn’t speak for Maori – far from it.
    
    Just as I don’t and can’t speak for all Pakeha. The idea that I could is preposterous.
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:56am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Maybe he thinks like Joe Biden and Willie Jackson. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them “ain’t black” or isn’t a real maori.
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:37am
      - Swifty
        
        Yep
        
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        May 13, 2021 11:04am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Maori are seriously divided among themselves. The tribes had separate origins and are effectively separate nations. They coalesce to take over among each other. The presumed guy with the terribly marked face is just another wannabe among many. Mr Speaker Mallard won’t tolerate him dancing and shouting in Parliament.
      
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      May 13, 2021 12:56pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I’m with you on that Kev but with a couple of reservations. Why didn’t Mallard have the Clark of the House of Reps throw the prick out when he failed to leave and started jumping up and down on the spot? Also, why doesn’t Mallard make him remove that stupid hat in the House of Reps?
        Neither can be too difficult but perhaps there’s not a desire on the part of Mallard to do either.
        
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        May 13, 2021 1:08pm
      - virtualmark
        
        That hat is some first-class cultural appropriation …
        
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        May 13, 2021 2:36pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Funny how Labour has its own definitions of words, which are typically the exact opposite of what the word really means.
    
    Partnership Schools or Charter Schools?
    Partnership or Separatism?
    
    Stewardship or Abdication?
    Government or Socialism?
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:56am
- Yabster
  
  yep- our Parliament is a shambles… how angry does Cindy look -classic.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125108556/mori-partys-rwiri-waititi-ejected-from-house-for-haka-protest-against-nationals-racist-propaganda
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:22am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Explaining it to the race-based racist like he’s a 4 year-old, which in terms of intellectual ability, he pretty much is.
    
    Complete muppet, aided and abetted by the green idiots. People voted for this. Not me.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:40pm
- EssenX
  
  I was listening to Red Radio this morning where Dann really tried to pin down Reti on a position that may find himself and or the National Party in hot water (he failed). What was interesting, however, were some one of the listener comments that separate authorities were racist by definition and that racist/racism claims were being used to shut down genuine questions elsewhere. I think Collins, who I thought wouldn’t be going anywhere fast, might start to get some traction in the polls?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Dann again is losing so he resorts to Grandstanding like his Scots morning partner who is getting more frustrating so reverts to rudeness.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:49pm
- Ehlana
  
  Judith has also upset Jane Kelsey: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/jane-kelsey-cynics-clutching-at-straw-men-over-indigenous-rights-report/TD233TB7ZYZIXQDOEQNYQT6AX4/
  
  Only I don’t see how it can be a straw man (an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument). As I understand it, the Maori Health Agency veto over health spending for non-Maori New Zealanders is her opponents real argument.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:28am
  - RockyJ
    
    Hidden behind a paywall so I can’t read it. I cancelled my Herald subscription because of the bias. I am confident I am not missing much, except only to realise what idiots our msm are
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:53am
    - septic skeptic
      
      It appears to me that the Herald figure right wingers can afford to pay, but that lefties get free news. Because that is doing gods work and the government pays enough to get pro Labour articles on the free section.
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:44am
    - Bob
      
      not missing much….
      The crossword is becoming easier, due to the lower intellect who still subscribe on a daily basis.
      
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      May 13, 2021 3:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That old Marxist war-horse still being rolled out by media for comment?
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:39am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That’s how you know you’re doing the right thing, if Kelsey opposes it. The more virulently she opposes it the better is the angle you’re coming from.
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:57am
- Simon
  
  50% of Maori women bashed and sexually assaulted.
  Meanwhile Maori MP’s are cosplaying in Parliament. Sounds about right.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:04am
  - Prince
    
    Perhaps Maori men are prone to an inability to verbalise their thoughts and present an argument, hence need to physically abuse those who question them, via physical attacks, haka etc.
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:45am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It’s genetic.
      
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      May 13, 2021 12:58pm
    - Paulus
      
      Now called the Vegas affect.
      A repeat of Warriors syndrome.
      
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      May 13, 2021 1:51pm
- coge
  
  This whole charade appears to be highly charged sexism. And those politicians participating in it, are too stupid to realize it.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:04am
Tony Stuart

Did you know that DoC has an electric-powered Mitsubishi Outlander 4WD that is used by staff on Stewart Island.

The vehicle is charged by the Stewart Island Electrical Supply Authority (SIESA) electricity grid, which is responsible for the generation and supply of electricity to consumers on Stewart Island.

But here’s the kicker; SIESA’s network is powered by five diesel generators at a central power station! Could you make stuff like this up?
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May 13, 2021 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Meanwhile in Victoria they have introduced a $3000 EV subsidy.
  
  https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/3000-electric-car-subsidy-unveiled-in-australia
  
  Well that’s a problem. Because about 70 percent of Victoria’s electricity is produced by lignite or ‘brown coal’ which is notable for its extremely high greenhouse emissions. Far exceeding petroleum. So if someone switches from, say, an efficient hybrid car returning 5 litres / 100 km, to an EV powered by brown coal, they will substantially increase their carbon footprint.?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:20am
  - Keith White
    
    There you go again with your confounded facts and logic, sez every Greenie evah…
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:33am
  - [email protected]
    
    According to an article published in the journal Nature Sustainability, a group of researchers from the Netherlands and England, found that EVs charged by coal fueled power stations still produce fewer emission overall than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles.
    
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-020-0488-7
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:42am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Thanks for that – it is behind a pay wall so I can’t read it. I would like to see the analysis comparing the total carbon footprint of an efficient hybrid vehicle vs an EV that is charged from a brown coal generation network.
      
      At the very least , the Victorian Government should have done this analysis and released it along with the policy announcement. If they did I cannot find it.
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:49am
      - rangitoto
        
        Yep. Mercedes claim that their formula 1 race car hybrid engine has an overall thermal efficiency of better than 50%. That beats any coal fired power station. Not sure how well normal road car hybrids do.
        
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        May 13, 2021 12:39pm
- rangitoto
  
  The rest of them are powered by imported coal from Indonesia. I prefer the diesel powered one.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:23am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, from a coal-burning power station that sits on or beside a coalfield, yet is importing coal 7000km from Indonesia.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony, why is that not surprising?
  
  But here is another reality for the Greens, there is nothing Green about a person moving from a to b, even if they are walking. Because all humans emit greenhouse gas irrespective of what activity we are doing.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:30am
  - Keith White
    
    All Greens should immediately shut off all their devices, trash their vehicles, sell their houses, and live in a cave off roots and leaves and berries… otherwise they are part of the problem.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:20am
- peterwn
  
  In the 1970’s the possibility of installing a submarine power cable to the Stewart Island was looked at but the cost was completely off the wall.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I wonder if they’ve ever considered wind power generation. After all, it’s a natural resource they have no shortage of!
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:52am
    - DeepBlue
      
      They did recently. Might have been a PGF project or something. Trouble is they didn’t get agreement with the landowner.
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:04am
      - sooty
        
        Who, DOC?
        
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        May 13, 2021 1:15pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        Sooty, Here is the announcement of the $3M, but I’m sure this never happened.
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/403869/renewable-energy-government-to-give-stewart-island-3m-for-wind-turbines
        
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        May 13, 2021 6:29pm
JibberJabber

The New York Times,

“There is not a single documented Covid infection anywhere in the world from casual outdoor interactions, such as walking past someone on a street or eating at a nearby table”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoor-covid-transmission-cdc-number.html

This isn’t just a gotcha math issue. It is an example of how the C.D.C. is struggling to communicate effectively, and leaving many people confused about what’s truly risky. C.D.C. officials have placed such a high priority on caution that many Americans are bewildered by the agency’s long list of recommendations
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May 13, 2021 8:08am
- Inandout
  
  JJ, while watching the actors on Coro St continually masking and de-masking. I am amazed how they walk the streets covered then take the mask off while inside a small shop or cafe. I guess they loosely follow the rules but display the ridiculous at times.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Fauci CDC may be hiding something:
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/exclusive-evidence-dr-fauci-funding-chinas-peoples-liberation-army-virus-research-used-biological-warfare/
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:35am
Benedict Yu

Looks like the Golden Globes movie awards are dead. Broadcasters have pulled out. Previous award winners are returning their awards.

Why? Well it appears that the main reason is about diversity. The outfit that runs the awards is the Hollywood Foreign Press Association. And someone complained it was not diverse enough. Not enough “people of colour”. And no Taiwanese foreign correspondents at all. ? So this has developed into a firestorm and it looks like the awards will be no more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/05/10/heres-why-nbc-wont-air-the-golden-globes-next-year/

I’m not interested in the awards. I’m telling the story because it shows what can happen if a bunch of people decide you should be ‘cancelled’.
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May 13, 2021 8:08am
- MCos
  
  You forgot to mention the bribery
  “The network responded to reporting in the Los Angeles Times in February, which detailed a series of ethical issues at the HFPA including “substantial payments” the association made to its members that could be in conflict with Internal Revenue Service guidelines, as well as potential conflicts of interest that include members accepting payments or gifts from producers or studios in exchange for their support.”
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I was aware. If there is illegal behaviour that is a matter for the police. Not Tom Cruise.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:51am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Ricky Gervais actually told us this a few years back.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:53am
    - plc
      
      UK National Treasure
      
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      May 13, 2021 12:04pm
- Inandout
  
  B Y, and Ellen De Generous has finally seen the light and is finishing up after many years of (to me) mush. All the US late night hosts must be wondering when they will get the chop also because their wokeness has become nauseous. One who may have seen the light is Bill Maher, but alas maybe too late. Seems Trump hating actually kept these shows alive, but now they are sinking.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:43am
- hullkiwi
  
  Benedict, there are some strange bits of.logic coming out of this piece. Like:
  1. You cannot be foreign unless you are of an ethnicity other than white. Following this definition, do all Caucasians qualify automatically for US citizenship, because they are not foreign?
  
  2. When is or isn’t Taiwan a recognised state?
  
  This could only happen in the world of the woke!
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:04am
- tf78
  
  Benedict, I wrote to Mighty Ape yesterday and told them to stop listening to all the
  “Karen’s” and start listening to their loyal customers. I am awaiting a response.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:17am
- Im Right
  
  What surprises me…well not really surprise, more annoyed, is that the black population in USA is approx 12-13% but they seem to want 50% or more of the bloody awards/nominations. Also if a black director produces a black cast movie about slavery/civil rights and its NOT in the mix for an award then the whole system is racist, and it is forbidden for any non black critic to mention it in anything but glowing references….USA is in such a lefty woke vicelike grip at the moment its easier to just hand the awards to anyone nominated thats not white! irrespective if acting is shit, movie is rubbish just as long as nothing white related gets an award….the award ceremony circuit is now meaningless as its not about talent but wokeness.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:51am
  - Paulus
    
    Similar percentage population ratio like Maori in New Zealand but the New Zealand expectancy figures need to be reviewed.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:54pm
lazza

Our totally suspect and failing Ministry of Health has possibly been involved in what can only be termed corrupt and politically motivated malpractice

My point is:

“And what would the missing data-points have revealed to illuminate and inform the question(s) asked?. I refer to Minister Little’s apology to the house over missing data-points in his answer to a politically charged question”

If the questions-answers were (say) critical to making a case one way or the other, then their deliberate! omission/editing is a grave and inappropriate action

… Yes?
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May 13, 2021 8:10am
- DeepBlue
  
  I think Dr Reti will be working through the implications of the missing data.
  
  It is interesting that no-one is even talking about what the missing data is. Suicide, waiting lists, mental health admissions, cancer deaths?
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:10am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “….his answer to a politically charged question”
  
  Yes, that’s the first thing they do when a sensible question is asked that they either don’t know the answer to, or would prefer not to respond – it’s “politically charged”.
  
  The second thing they do (although climbing up the table fast) is to accuse the question and the questioner of being raaaaacist.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:38pm
Frank the tank

Go Judith.

I was beginning to lose hope however her courage to stand up and take the fight to the woke separatist movement is a sure sign there is a pulse. It has also:

a). Put National back in the news
b). Shut down leadership rumors/Toxic.

This has legs that she can ride all the way to the election and the Blairite knows it.
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May 13, 2021 8:10am
- RockyJ
  
  Agree. She is being very measured and calm in her choice of words. This is working for her. At some stage she may choose to say “racism” or “apartheid” but in the meantime the opposition can keep using these words. Thereby they make a mockery of themselves
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:27am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I thought the somewhat sturdy, level headed, non shouty, non arm waving, upright and measured tone Judith has adopted over the past year lacked drama and enough media appeal.
    
    Now it is all the shouty, arm waving, foot, stamping opponents that are looking foolish.
    
    When the crash happens calm, measured and experienced is who you turn to. Judith has clearly been playing a long game.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:15am
- Paulus
  
  National Party Leadership is a made up media scam in order that the usual left wing media can claim they are important – eh Tova !
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:28am
- EssenX
  
  If they are clever, they will weave woke/political correctness concerns into this. For example, you can’t discuss He Puapua politely without someone saying you’re racist. At the same time, they need to use their ethnic MPs to mobilise their communities that those groups, who are not necessarily privileged themselves, will be worse off if there are major constitutional changes.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:28am
  - Paulus
    
    She will not discuss it !
    Her laws are indefensible.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:56pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Better still, she has two more speeches over the next two weekends to the Mainland and Central NI regional conferences. Her speeches over the last two weeks have been a team effort, with Dr Shane Reti very much involved in their drafting.
  
  So far, she has used that platform really well. There will also be an opportunity for her to make a significant speech after Grant Muldoon delivers the Budget next Thursday. That Labour MP’s in the General Debate all attacked Collins for her recent speeches and questions in the House suggest they know she has struck a chord with voters.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:34am
kowtow

Dunedin refugee advocate Zhian Eli has called on the Dunedin City Council for funding to build housing for refugees.
At the moment in Dunedin there are five former refugee families living in motels as there was no housing for them .

This as the Ardern govt resumes refugee intake and as the Greens call for a larger intake.

Could you make stuff like this up?

Source . ODT 13.5.21
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May 13, 2021 8:15am
- Scott
  
  Quite right kowtow. Here in Masterton people are living in cars and many are being paid to live in motels. House prices are way up and rental accommodation is incredibly hard to come by.
  
  Our local mayor, in her wisdom, is totally keen to have 100 refugee families come to Masterton as soon as possible. Where will they put them?
  
  Does anyone think, we can’t even house our own people? Surely it’s unwise to bring in more people from overseas?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:28am
  - lifesgood
    
    ” keen to have 100 refugee families” What he really means is that he is keen to be seen as woke and wonderful. Of course he is not keen, who could be when you can’t house your own. Pfft!
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:34am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The refugee quota is 1500 per year, people not families. These people have been through hell and we can and should help. It is a tiny number really.
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:03am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Some deserve compassion, but many of those who came to Europe passed through so many safe countries that they are economic migrants, shopping for a better deal. Not all even came from warzones, when they came from Bangladesh and pretended to be Aghans, or came from sub-saharan Africa. Then there is the issue of queue jumpers in the Pacific, and those that employ people smugglers.
    
    I was amazed to hear that MIQ was opening space for 400 international students, but that the moment it opens up we also allocated 100 for refugees.
    No thanks.
    Not actually needed at the best of times.
    We need pragmatism in our recovery from government responses to Covid, rather than virtue signalling.
    House our own people first. And grow the economy so we can support infrastructure development.
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:37pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Careful Fuzzysnuggleduck, you’ll be cancelled for making too much sense.
      
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      May 13, 2021 1:30pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If you think 1,500 is the total number that will come in under a quota of 1,500 then I have several lovely bridges to sell you.
    
    1,500 is just the start of the exercise, with refugees able to sponsor other family members to come in as well.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:51pm
lazza

“HDI:” Huh?

Always better to explain three letter acronyms as not everybody can be assumed to know … Ehh?

The data-argument is meaningless … without “knowing”.
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May 13, 2021 8:15am
- cmm
  
  If you’d typed HDI into google it would:
  A) Have been less effort.
  B) Given you an answer.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:02am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    Might have been an oversight on my part but I thought that the majority of people here would be familiar with either 1). HDI, or 2). Google.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:53am
Maggie Pie

Put this in your diary….

Jacinda on 1ZB tomorrow with Kerry Woodham 9 -noon.

Will be taking calls.

(Don’t mention….. The Wedding!!)
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May 13, 2021 8:16am
- Nickc2
  
  Kerre and/or her Producer will be working overtime on their DUMP buttons unless the session is restricted to invited callers only.
  I’m picking conversations will be channeled towards the Marriage of the millennia and its associated trappings with a bit of kindy kid stuff thrown in.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Actually, McIvor has been pretty direct about the PM and Labour of late. Ardern may come to regret keeping this particular engagement.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:08am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Kerri is your archetypical middle voter. She comes across very well and personally I hope she is allowed to stick to her guns with regards to the Blairite.
      
      It will all depend on the specifics ZB have agreed to with the PM’s minders – don’t hold your breath.
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:24am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I hope Hoskin calls in with a question . . .
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:04am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Now there’s an idea 😀
        
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        May 13, 2021 10:59am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Who or what is Hoskin?
        
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        May 13, 2021 2:55pm
  - Flossie
    
    When is Ms Ardern, and the media in general, going to get the message that her private life is of no interest to the general populace.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Alas Flossie, the Gizzy Herald was beside itself .. talking of the nuptials of “Our Clarke and Jacinda”
      
      https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/frontpage-featured/20210510/gizzy-wedding-for-our-clarke-and-jacinda/
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:37am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Flossing, you, myself and only a few thousand may not be interested, but unfortunately SCS’s sheeple live in expectation for media reveals about Jax’s upcoming nuptials. Sad, I know, but we just have work hard at ignoring the bs that it is.
      
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      May 13, 2021 11:31am
    - Paulus
      
      All questions have to be vetted in advance as usual – except when confronted by Hoskin which is why she ran away.
      
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      May 13, 2021 2:00pm
- Yabster
  
  Questions, Why has the He Pua Pua agenda been adopted by stealth even though you continue to deny it is not policy?, why has every metric you campaigned on such as child poverty and homelessness got worse since you have been in Government?, What is you opinion on Socialism,,,,? why do you continue to push your celebrity/personal life to the media- its seems beneath the position as PM.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:44am
- tf78
  
  Maggie, what a shame we will be busy washing the dog.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:29am
  - kevn
    
    @tf… I would expect most (thinking) folk there will be busy having a cup of tea. Then avoid any MSM.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:49am
BeaB

I wonder if Jacinda and Macron have agreed on who will head the international secretariat of the Christchurch Call?
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May 13, 2021 8:18am
- Paulus
  
  Of Course we know – look at the the phone records – Cindy needs the phoney publicity she can get, and now because Sleepy Joe Biden supports the theory. Macron is in great shit like Cindy so the are trying hard enough hide their problems elsewhere led by Cindy.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:35am
JibberJabber

Margaret Thatcher

You cannot build a great nation or brotherhood of man* by spreading envy or hatred.

*or Woman ?
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May 13, 2021 8:21am
Happychappy

It seems and looks like Judith Collins is playing her cards right as Maori are taking Issue in Parliament as she ramps up pressure on Labours attempt to create separatism between races in New Zealand according to the document He Puapua leaked to the National Leader.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/policies-can-be-called-racist-but-not-mps-speaker-rules/B7YERUESBWYA477YZBT6PFU324/
It’s all about Judith Collins racial attacks proclaimed one of the Maori Party co-leaders claims.
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May 13, 2021 8:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Now why would this property company that provided emergency housing for our Government be going into receivership?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018795215/property-company-in-liquidation-after-taking-millions-in-wage-subsidies
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May 13, 2021 8:26am
- Keith White
  
  Hmmm. Took out all the income before paying any expenses?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    Trougher’s gotta do what a trougher’s gotta do.
    
    Wage subsidies are a rort.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:03am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, based in Favona Rd, Mangere.
  https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/business/silverfern-property-services-ltd
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:48am
- tf78
  
  Maggy, probably they acted like they’d won lotto and overspent on the niceties of life.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  They seem to have unwisely taken out leases on other properties expecting to continue letting them to the govt provided emergency housing people.
  The Govt stopped proving tenants but the property coy still had to pay the lease rentals. Simple commercial risk.
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:10pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLrPuYUZlxc

France-Japan Joint Training has 2 Bold Messages.

France is ready to replace the US when it comes to acting as Japan’s best friend and that would be a major jolt for Joe Biden and Xi Jinping. [The existence and high polling of the National Rally is forcing Teachers Pet rightwards.]
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May 13, 2021 8:27am
KevO'Brien

Jacinda’s favourite, Blair, rejects woke:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/12/tony-blair-saying-too-woke-is-like-lenin-saying-too-communist/
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May 13, 2021 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  Blair , one of the wokest of the woke .
  
  An utterly vile creature.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:52am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Blair is bad, but his wife served to make it more painful. She was always good at including herself when the moment called for it.
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:35am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Yes and no.
    
    He was a globalist before glolalism became sexy for the wokestream. Was helped that he followed quite possibly Britain’s worst prime minister since Chamberlain in John Major. In the end like his protégé here in (little) Aotearoa started to fail when people saw through the waffle and saw a hollow person.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:07pm
JibberJabber

Rockets dropping on Israel all a bit of a lark for Green and Labour politicians, especially Swarbrick and little Ricky.
https://twitter.com/nzeconomist/status/1392399514447728644
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May 13, 2021 8:29am
- Yabster
  
  look at that lot in the pic- radicals and incompetents- and they are our MP’s ffs.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:50am
  - Nickc2
    
    What a shower of shit that lot are!
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:19am
- kevn
  
  @jib… Losers lineup. Morally speaking.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:30am
zulumonster

Interesting article in the Herald online from 2 days ago with the headline referring to right wing extremists.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-warned-right-wing-extremists-could-use-the-covid-crisis-to-spread-hate/75F2CMXSKB4SWANJBYDSZ3PPBQ/

The article only provided one actual example of right wing extremists – in the USA – where the report referred to Islamist, right-wing and other extremists.
Then the article points to another report that specifically points to Islamist extremism in NZ – “But another report, also released under the OIA, detailed the risk profile of Islamist extremists in New Zealand” – and yet the headline had to be about right wing extremism?
Given the timing of the article and the headline, this appears to be just another example of diversion from the real (or damaging to the government) news by the tame MSM.
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May 13, 2021 8:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  I don’t believe a single word that woman says. I have no trust in her at all.
  But that doesn’t matter because the bulk of NZ citizens do and will continue to support her.
  Until the money runs out.
  And even then the media will spin it as someone else’s fault.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:12am
- kevn
  
  @zulu… It appears cindy hasn’t had ‘that jab’ either. Not recommended for wannabe preggers women I gather.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:29am
  - Ehlana
    
    kevn, if you’re talking about the Covid vaccination, the Ministry of Health includes pregnant people (any trimester) in group 3 priority for vaccination. I assume pregnant women are included in the pregnant people category.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:59am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      So you’re saying there’s another reason?
      
      I wonder what that might be.
      
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      May 13, 2021 3:19pm
Thought Criminal

If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.

Mark Twain
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May 13, 2021 8:31am
- gravedodger
  
  Wonderful thought for the day Thought Criminal.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:48am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He stole it. Classic case of nominative determinism.
    
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    May 13, 2021 3:20pm
    - Thought Criminal
      
      How do you know I stole it?
      
      Was it because I credited the author?
      
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      May 13, 2021 7:18pm
Rusty

I received a govt email for making a booking on a covid vaccine jab.
Don’t read anywhere in the email where they say its a choice if you want a jab or not.
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May 13, 2021 8:31am
- plc
  
  Well don’t have it then
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:45am
- Ehlana
  
  Maybe they just assume you know you can’t be forced to accept medical treatment? If it’s phrased as an invitation, that would imply you can decline.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:57am
  - fernglas
    
    It’s a bit like all those people who say they don’t have enough information to make an informed choice. What they really mean is that they are too lazy to be bothered looking.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:04am
    - Flossie
      
      To just say people are too lazy to find out is unfair. You can trawl the internet and find opposing positions on the safety or otherwise of covid vaccines and get all kinds of different opinions, so how do those of us with no medical training decide which piece of advice is actual fact?
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:41am
      - fernglas
        
        Trust whomever you choose to believe the most
        
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        May 13, 2021 2:59pm
  - cmm
    
    Maybe they’d rather you did not know that.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:05am
- MCos
  
  More to the point, Rusty, did the email instruct you that a vaccine, any vaccine, was compulsory?
  Of course it didn’t.
  
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  May 13, 2021 3:17pm
artemisia

Wellington City Council social housing heading for insolvency in just 2 years, so looking to taxpayers to pay up. Bigly. $400million shortfall predicted. The council’s social housing was always required to be self funding, so not topped up by ratepayers. Taxpayers are fair game though. (Though I’ll bet there are costs quietly slipped in to fudgebudgets.)

This is not a new issue. The government provided hundreds of millions 10 or so years ago to upgrade council social housing. Council to match it IIRC. They did match it, and spent it but without completing about half the work required.

Random impertinent questions.

#1. Was there a business case for the upgrades back in 2008, or indeed any social housing business cases since?

#2. Where are the post implementation reviews?

#3. Has the council any clue about managing a large housing portfolio and associated budget?
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May 13, 2021 8:31am
- mandk
  
  As far as I understand it, Councils can’t take advantage of the Income Related Rent Scheme (IRRS) run by MSD.
  
  This would mean that either their tenants can’t afford the rents, or the Councils need to charge below market rents.
  
  The latter generally means operating at a loss, which is further likely to mean the stock is not maintained adequately.
  
  It would be far better to hand over the stock to a Community Housing Trust (CHT) that can use the IRRS. I think this has been done in Auckland and Tauranga. CHTs also more able to leverage the assets to help maintain and further develop the stock.
  
  So why do Councils operate social housing?
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:19am
  - artemisia
    
    Wellington CC does charge below market rents (30% below) for low income tenants. When the council tried to obtain verification from tenants that the income they reported to rent reviews was correct there was outrage from tenants. Assume the council caved as it all went very quiet. I think this was 2019.
    
    Council tenants can qualify for Accommodation Supplement, unlike tenants on income related rents. Some tenants have been in Wellington council housing for decades. I know a couple, and they are not poor by any means.
    
    And the council recently built a new social housing complex and leased it long term to Kainga Ora so tenants there do get IRR. So Wellington CC gets low income tenants anyway.
    
    Point is the council is not managing its housing stock and tenants within budget. Why?
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:25am
    - mandk
      
      Sounds like WCC is a combination of stupid and incompetent.
      
      But, hey, what’s new?
      
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      May 13, 2021 11:37am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I have a lot of experience with WCC Property Team and can hazard a guess at answering your RIPs:
  
  1. No, don’t be silly
  2. The dog ate it, I left it on a bus, it was run over by a cyclist (pick one – any one)
  3. Thanks so much for the belly laugh. See answer 1.
  
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  May 13, 2021 3:29pm
Yvette

People who now abhor mention of Pike River, please scroll down.

Why is no mention made, in the new $8 million fan access plan, of concrete that was poured down the ‘slimline’ shaft, into a fresh air base only a couple of metres from the inner mine end of the second roof fall, and which may now block the access passage to the fan?

This morning a Families’ statement [1] points out –
“If the police borehole drilling creates a new roof collapse as it did at borehole 50, then their efforts will not uncover evidence but will instead bury that vital evidence forever,”

However expert electrician and investigator, Richard Healey, last November around the 10th anniversary of the disaster, informed media that in 2011, 350 cubic tonnes of concrete was poured into the mine, likely entombing any remains of miners who may have gathered in slimline shaft fresh air base.

Healey said – “We have the invoices for the material, 105 tonnes shipped from Australia in seven shipping containers. We have eyewitness testimony from people who put material down the shaft, the process took three days. We know that the contract which was signed to do that specified that 350 cubic metres of material would be used.” […]
Healey also said – that there is “a lot of evidence” some of the miners survived the first explosion on November 19, 2010 and they likely would have gathered at the fresh air base. If they had, their bodies may now be entombed in concrete. [2]

The invoices [3] can be found on the Internet, for materials and labour, and it does seem the work was done. “The shaft and void below it need to be filled to isolate the cracks effectively and prevent the gases escaping at the source” – document 12

However, Volume 2 of the Pike River Royal Commission Report mentions the same slimline shaft location –
173. On Wednesday 24 November the area at the bottom of the slimline shaft was scanned using a C-ALS (Cavity Auto Scanning Laser System) laser device […]
175. [despite poor images] equipment in the stub was still clearly visible, and in Mr Taylor’s opinion the lid of one of the large blue boxes [holding rescue equipment] was open. […]
176. On 17 February the crew rescanned the slimline shaft. This revealed that there had been a major roof collapse in the drift, which caused spoil to spill into the stub over the area where the three boxes were positioned, so no further evidence was obtained. [4]

A comparison between scans on November 24, just after the first explosion, but before the second, and 17 February, after all the other explosions, indicates –
1) the roof fall occurred after the 1st explosion not during it, although Richard Healey says the 1 tonne part of the main fan housing may have actually caused the roof fall and that, he says, was during the first explosion, and –
2) if a portion of the roof fall entered the stub and covered the blue boxes, how much of the concrete poured down the shaft may have spilt onto the ‘workings’ end of the roof fall, and may now partly block access to the main ventilation fan – so access to it may not be as simple as shovelling through some “well crushed coal”?

Surely a source of ignition is only part of the evidence investigators seek, and an explanation is required for a “massive amount of methane” in an area where there should have been none. Without such an explanation, how could any prosecution be successful?
Has Little sought Crown Law Office opinion on anything relating to Pike River?

On Tuesday evening a THREE news item did mentioned points already covered and presumably considered but not acted on by the Pike River Commission of Inquiry –
Commissioning and operation of the fan.
65. The main fan was first operated on 4 October 2010, but sparks came from the fan shaft at the junction with the intake stopping through which it passed. To resolve the problem Pike removed a brass bush, which formed a seal between the drive shaft and the stopping.This left a gap which Mr Sanders estimated was at least 20mm. Mr White accepted there was potential for methane-contaminated air to leak through the gap if the fan was not operating.
– Royal Commission on the Pike River Coal Mine Tragedy Volume 2 page 93
(Is the brass bush in the mine or removed to a surface workshop and perhaps sitting on a shelf?)

However, if there is in fact investigation that shows the first explosion did originate from the main fan or its parts, and someone prosecuted, the obvious defence would be that components left-out of the fan’s final assembly, or any other factor that caused static, or sparking, theoretically wasn’t supposed to be a problem, because the fan was in a “non-restricted” area of the mine, where gas levels were supposed to be negligible.

The Royal Commission report does point out that there was no ventilation manager. So does responsibility rest with the mine manager, or ventilation system designer (particularly as it seems to be the only mine fan installed underground, world-wide) or installers, since it was apparently incomplete?

[1] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125111240/8m-plan-to-go-further-into-pike-river-mine-to-be-reviewed
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/11/tonnes-of-concrete-poured-into-critically-important-pike-river-mine-air-feed-where-miners-could-have-gathered-engineer.html
[3] https://www.pikeriverrecovery.govt.nz/documents/document/?ID=797
[4] https://pikeriver.royalcommission.govt.nz/vwluResources/Final-Report-Vol2-Part1-only/$file/Report-Vol2-Part1-only.pdf chapter 16, page 230

Note – What is referred to above as “concrete” may be “expandable grout” or “ACS high yield foaming grout”. It is estimated about 203 cubic metres would fill the slimline shaft interior, leaving 147 cubic metres to flood the stub or fresh air base and some surrounding areas, given that roof fall from those areas had already partly encroached into the fresh air base.
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May 13, 2021 8:32am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… A very good summary as usual.
  The pommie expert is certainly pushing to continue. What is his motivation? Seem clear that option is all over.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Don’t these people know that static electricity is virtually everywhere and is an excellent source of ignition?
  Massive works in a gas producing mine are almost certain to cause an explosion. Even a miner’s helmet brushing against another fitting could be sufficient. A metal toe cap could do it or brushing a jersey. A very tiny spark, virtually unseen is enough. The mine was not a kids playground although now its a political one.
  Too much attention has been given to irrelevancies with static electricity being the most likely fire starter.
  
  Does this govt not have any sensible engineering/electrical advisers available?
  The mine should never have been built as a closed mine. That was contrary to international practice. If I can readily find this out why couldn’t they? It only takes basic know how to understand the danger warnings about static and gasses. Did politics get in the way of sense?
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:35pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Correct Kev. Often times, after driving my car, the static electricity that builds in my body from sitting on the vinyl seats is enough so that – when I stop & get out of the car and shut the door, a visible spark about 15 mm long with a small cracking sound, sometimes jumps from my finger to the metal door, and has on 2 occasions left a burn mark on the end of my finger. Fact.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:10pm
    - Swifty
      
      What happened to the old static straps which used to hang off the rear-end of cars and drag on the ground?
      
      You don’t see them anymore.
      
      I get the sparks, but not as bad as the kids for some reason, on my car and have taken to closing my door with my clothed elbow. Seems to work.
      
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      May 13, 2021 2:57pm
  - RichardX
    
    KOB; Rather than pontificate on yet another topic without actual knowledge, why don’t you research the methods used to mitigate static electricity in underground mines?
    
    Don; Your anecdote speaks more about your choice in clothing and seat covering than it does about mining.
    
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    May 13, 2021 3:35pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Why bother. I’ve looked at international practice for known gas producing coal seam mines. They are fairly common. Mitigation against static electricity may be possible but anyone who has worked with even crystal sets know you can get an electric discharge of [off] a human.
      I do have a tech background and an engineering education.
      
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      May 13, 2021 5:09pm
      - RichardX
        
        [Deleted – debate the topic and leave out the personal abuse. mod.]
        
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        May 13, 2021 7:46pm
      - RichardX
        
        KevO’Brien
        Why bother. I’ve looked at international practice for known gas producing coal seam mines. They are fairly common. Mitigation against static electricity may be possible but anyone who has worked with even crystal sets know you can get an electric discharge of [off] a human.
        I do have a tech background and an engineering education.
        MAY 13, 2021 5:09PM
        
        I’ll respond with more detail explaining how I am addressing topic.
        
        The reason to “bother” is that knowledge is worth seeking.
        When you lack knowledge on a particular topic, you should seek some before commenting as if you do have that knowledge.
        
        In some instances general knowledge, no matter how well you believe it to be justified, is insufficient to pass judgement on specific areas of specialised knowledge and practice.
        
        You appear to reject research on mitigation of static electricity in underground mines when commenting on static electricity in underground mines because you have looked at other practices for underground mines.
        I call that wilful ignorance.
        
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        May 14, 2021 6:28am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTo9rVaNd58

Michel Barnier Plans To Suspend Migration To France.

Suspending immigration was bad and ‘raycist’ when Nigel Farage was talking about it in the run up to Brexit. Then Le Pen started to surge in the polls. Teachers Pet got in on the act first. Now, it’s Barnier’s turn. Will either of them do anything if they win? Possibly. The anti immigration side have won the argument if establishment politicians are talking about restricting it.
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May 13, 2021 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  Denmark has recently tightened up , and would you believe it Sweden of all places following suit .
  
  They know something is very amiss .
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Denmark is now saying that its Syrian refugees were never meant to stay… It is now safe for them to return to Syria.
    
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90630405/denmark-is-trying-to-send-its-syrian-refugees-back
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:41am
    - Jack5
      
      Maggy, they’ll be easier to get rid of than it was for England to get rid of the Danes, as Kipling noted:
      
      http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_danegeld.htm
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:16am
    - Nickc2
      
      Perhaps Denmark has come to the realisation that these so-called refugees are a sleeping army on the move supported and cared for by countries in which they choose to be located until told to carry on with their mission.
      
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      May 13, 2021 1:52pm
Maggie Pie

Golriz was quick to retweet criticism of something Shaun Plunkett had to say recently….nothing on this from her home country as yet?

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1392547404314972165
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May 13, 2021 8:37am
- JibberJabber
  
  Take a look a the pic I posted ↑, and tell me Golriz isn’t enjoying every minute as an agent provocateur.
  It would interesting to know who, besides the NZ Taxpayer, is paying her, or is she doing it for free?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  Iran funds Hamas .
  Hamas urges Arabs to behead Jews .
  
  Where’s the outrage?
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:56am
- MCos
  
  She’s a refugee from Iran.
  The family left to get away from that sort of thing.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:59am
  - lifesgood
    
    She is NOT a refugee, her family were chancers. Look up the details of their immigration here.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:37am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Details here:
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018772797/golriz-ghahraman-finding-her-place-in-aotearoa
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:12am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Except they ultimately fled from Malaysia.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:41am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They didn’t flee..
      
      In 1990, following the end of the Iran–Iraq War, nine-year old Ghahraman and her family left Iran for Malaysia, ostensibly for a holiday.[7] From Malaysia they booked flights to Fiji, with a stopover in Auckland, where they sought political asylum and were accepted as refugees. Her parents later set up a restaurant and a gift shop in Auckland, and did not work in their earlier areas of expertise.[3]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golriz_Ghahraman
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:07am
    - Sofia
      
      Rich Prick, like Maggi points out:
      Golriz Ghahraman and her family display an interesting phenomena in that it appears they did not actually become refugees until they asked for asylum – they foresaw possible problems with the mother studying as a child psychologist but ethically opposed to “psychologists having to pledge allegiance to a religion” so refused to sit the Islamic examinations required for her to practice and never worked as such.
      The family left Iran for Malaysia, ostensibly for a holiday, booked flights to Fiji, with a stopover in Auckland, where they sought political asylum and were accepted as refugees, a factor being that other family members were already living in New Zealand (So refugee or family re-unification?)
      A major concern when they entered the country apparently was whether they carried any fruit they should not have.
      
      Does one ever stop being a refugee? Apparently this can be whether such continuing status is an advantage to your current position or reasoning you want acceptance by others.
      
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      May 13, 2021 10:39am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Some people seem to have the idea that a refugee can only ever be someone who has left a country under extreme circumstances.
        
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        May 13, 2021 2:28pm
- H. Upmann
  
  MP: on the mention of Shaun Plunkett, has he re-emerged anywhere? I miss him.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:23am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    If Newstalk got Sean Plunket on from 1 to 4 in the afternoon the advertisers would be queuing up, in droves.
    It would stick a huge object up the chutney of Magic Talk’s manager, and provide irrefutable evidence of what a dongbeater, dingbat and dickhead that manager is.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:31am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Agreed. Statler and Waldorf, the clowns currently on Newstalk afternoons are a total waste of time and an embarrassment.
      
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      May 13, 2021 11:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Shaun still follows me on Twitter and still likes to trigger the ‘lefties’ at every opportunity 😀
    
    You can follow him here if you want….
    
    https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1391274324129054721
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:23am
Maggy Wassilieff

Judith Collins and Don Brash have demonstrated that they are not racist… being happy enough to enter into mixed-race relationships and raise mixed-race children.

Seems some of the folks biffing venom at them have kept to a separatist agenda in their relationships.
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May 13, 2021 8:42am
- JibberJabber
  
  Without the racism card, they’d have to get real jobs to keep them in the style they’ve become accustomed to.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:46am
- Tall Man
  
  Yes but Maggy, are their partners “Asian enough” or “Samoan enough”………
  
  Ironical hypocrisy and the left seem to be welded together these days mingled with a modicum of unbridled hatred for those who have a different point of view.
  
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  May 13, 2021 8:55am
- Bill Felt
  
  Both Judith and Don consistently point out racist policies (eg maori seats, He Puapua).
  
  Pointing out racist policies is not being racist, those that criticise them are!
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:04am
  - MCos
    
    National are putting up candidates in the Maori seats at the next election.
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:32am
    - plc
      
      John Key pulled a ponytail
      
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      May 13, 2021 11:51am
- MCos
  
  Whether those two are racist is not negated by their being married to people from another race.
  Some of the most racist people I’ve met were expats I knew in Bangkok and some of them were married to Thais.
  BTW
  Racism doesn’t just occur between clearly different looking people. I went to a pub in Wales once, owned by an Englishman who was pouring pints behind the bar. He told me the clients spoke Welsh because they knew he couldn’t join in. I went over and talked to a bunch a locals who immediately switched to English when I told them I was a kiwi. They said they didn’t want to talk to the publican because they didn’t like the English.
  Scots don’t like the English either.
  And they have their own parliament.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:27am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/helen-clark-led-covid-19-panel-finds-crucial-shortcomings-in-world-s-pandemic-response-calls-for-new-global-system.html

So had the world followed Trump’s lead we would have avoided massive lock downs?

Had ardern not been so fixated on her March 15th “look at me” party and shut down travel from Iran, Italy, China and other so called “hot spots”, she would never have been able to establish the “podium of truth” and blunder her way to re-election in 2020…..

And we think she’s an idiot ……
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May 13, 2021 8:44am
- Keith White
  
  I note the Senior Witch’s review did not address the deliberate global export of the WuPox by the CCP on flights all over the world, while at the same time Xinnie the Pooh banned domestic travel out of Wuhan… and also did not mention Tedros blocking the announcement of a pandemic for many weeks…
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:31am
I remember when

Northern Outlook:
A Canterbury car dealership’s advertisement has been pulled down due to the mispronunciation of a te reo Maori place name.
This followed a complaint about Rangiora Toyota’s long-running radio ad to the Advertising Standards Authority.
The radio ad, which had been played on air for 5 years, included a jingle with the incorrect pronunciation at the beginning and end.
The word Rangiora was said twice more in the body of the ad, but pronounced correctly.
The ASA Complaints Board unanimously agreed the mispronunciation caused harm to the language and was likely to offend consimers.
“Te Reo Maori is an official language of New Zealand and should be pronounced correctly in a broadcast environment.”

Anyone see this decision opening up a ‘can of worms’ for plays on words.
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May 13, 2021 8:48am
- Swifty
  
  Ridiculous.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:19am
- cmm
  
  If the whole ad is in Maori then they have a point.
  But if the ad is in English then these are borrowed words and the rules of linguistics are that the borrowing language decides how to say them.
  
  What next:
  *Some travel ad gets pulled down because someone says Paris instead of Pahree?
  * Maori stop saying pirihimana when the word is “policeman”?
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Surely, what counts is what the advertiser wants. The advertiser is tailoring a sales message.
    
    If the advertiser chooses, the advertiser’s surely entitled to have the town of his business pronounced the way customers pronounce it.
    
    As pointed out when this was discussed recently on Kiwiblog, former ACT MP Heather Roy chairs the Advertising Standards Authority.
    
    Here are details of the board’s decision on Rangiora Toyota:
    
    https://www.asa.co.nz//backend/documents/2021/04/13/21061.pdf
    
    You might find this decision by the authority relevant – dismissing a complaint about the use of the word “yous” (for plural of you).
    
    https://www.asa.co.nz//backend/documents/2021/02/01/21036.pdf
    
    Here’s the authority’s complaints board:
    
    https://www.asa.co.nz/about-us/complaints-board-ascb-members/
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:03am
- graham
  
  I can’t help but chuckle when I hear something like this.
  
  Here we have a great warrior race, with their ferocious haka, who would be seen to maintain their dignity and mana in the face of colonialism, and …
  
  … oh no! Someone pronounced a placename incorrectly! I’M OFFENDED!!!
  
  Seriously, if I were a Maori man and heard that the ASA Complaints Board was worried that the mispronunciation of a place-name was going to offend me, I’d be embarrassed. To think that other people around me might look at me and think, “Better be careful to say words correctly, otherwise he’s going to get – OFFENDED”. How embarrassing would that be.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Hubby has had his name (Christian and Surname) mispronounced by NZers for his entire lifetime….somehow he has managed to Not be offended, let alone traumatised.
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:44am
    - cmm
      
      I’m hunching that there’s nothing for hubby to gain by making a big sook out of it.
      
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      May 13, 2021 11:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Before we were married, he told me that he would sometimes make bookings for travel/accommodation in the name of Williams..as it was easier than trying to cope with misspelt versions of Wassilieff… but as I was already used to spelling out my maiden surname…Mac, small d….. etc for folks, it was just as easy to spell out Wassilieff.
        
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        May 13, 2021 12:10pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  There is no official pronunciation as there is no definitive Maori. The language may vary by district of use.
  
  Seven tribes from different places arrived in NZ and have to be considered as separate national groups. Had any previously known each other it may have been in battle.
  They shared a mainly common Polynesian dialect with their own differences. They have never coalesced into one nation and there is no official Maori language. A Maori language is recognised but that has to include all the tribal variants. We learnt that as kids that there were differences in other parts of NZ as to how Maori was spoken.
  The present misuse of Maori will ruin it. It has a very limited vocabulary and too much borrowing has already occurred. It is ridiculous to find a transliterated English word in an English sentence. Other Pacific nations have addressed these problems by seeing that English was available for instruction and commerce and the national language for familial conversation.
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:55pm
TripeWryter

I have a soft spot for Chloe Swarbrick. One of the reasons is that before the 2017 General Election she was at a provincial airport waiting for a flight to Auckland.
So were my older sister and brother, and me.
My brother, who was to be on the same flight, engaged her in conversation because he thought a Swarbrick he knew was related to her.
He wasn’t but she was nevertheless courteous and engaging.
I can’t remember who suggested it but my brother, sister, and I talked among ourselves about getting a photo taken of the three of us.
Chloe volunteered to take one so I gave her my phone and she clicked away.
What resulted was a series of photos before my brother became unwell, and now frail, lives in a care home.
So that’s my soft spot for Chloe.
I am not a Greens supporter. I have known of far too many Green MPs who have not practised what they preached and finger-wagged at the rest of us.
Censorious, holier-than-thou, judgmental.
I didn’t support Chloe’s tireless campaigning to decriminalise the taking of illegal drugs.
Now the news tells us that she is planning a private member’s bill aimed at alcohol – to remove the normalisation and glamourisation of alcohol, she says.
I wonder if she sees the irony?
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May 13, 2021 8:54am
- Philview
  
  Chloe worked hard to win the Auckland seat can’t argue with your observations about her. I don’t have a problem with different points of view in a democracy, but it is the media bias we are seeing coupled with Labour’s secret manifesto that are really troubling.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Am sure Chloe is a one time Member as her seat has already been selected for the Labour Party- and they will pour your money into winning – believe they already fomenting.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:16pm
- H. Upmann
  
  TW: short answer – no, she will not see the irony.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:37am
- lifesgood
  
  I am pretty sure any person you met at the airport would have been happy to take your photo. There is nothing special or unique about what Chloe did. It is good you got one of your brother at that time, though.
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:39am
- kowtow
  
  ‘I wonder if she sees the irony?’
  
  To see any irony in that situation one would have to assume the people involved were rational beings .
  
  The Greens are a combination of bat shit crazy and / or Marxist , so the answer is ; it doesn’t matter , they’re nuts , so can only see their own version of reality , which is perverted and abnormal.
  
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  May 13, 2021 12:56pm
  - MCos
    
    There’s plenty of people in this world who can only see their version of reality; some of them right here on this forum.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:41pm
  - TripeWryter
    
    In other words ‘no’, Kowtow.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:05pm
oldfella

I wonder how many of Parliament’s Maori MPs are in (obviously) mixed-race relationships?
Would be interesting to find out, but not sure where to get that info, or if it’s even out there.
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May 13, 2021 9:07am
Albert_Ross

I thought the most interesting thing from yesterday’s contretemps in Parliament was the comment that indigenous rights can only be determined by indigenous people.

Well – up to a point, as they say. If my name were really Albert Ross (sorry to disappoint!) it would certainly be my right to ask to be called Al, not Bert, and to think you rude if you still called me Bert. The fact that you know other Alberts happy to be called Bert does not make it ok; the argument that you are being “fair and equitable” by calling all of us the same doesn’t hold. Thus, it’s not as simple as saying everybody should be treated the same regardless of race – that’s not fair or equitable when one race likes the said treatment and the other doesn’t.

On the other hand I’d be pushing it to demand to be called Mr Ross, let alone Dr or Lord or even Dame Albert. And I’d certainly be on dodgy ground trying to self-determine my preference that you all send me $50 per week. The rest of you definitely do get an opinion on the matter when my self-determined rights would impose actual costs on you.

Does our objection to separate, differential rights for Maori rest only on the issue of the possible costs to others, or is there more to it? (Personally I don’t think “because it’s RACIST” is in itself a full and satisfactory argument here, any more than it is when used by the whole to try to stop debate).
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May 13, 2021 9:23am
- cmm
  
  I don’t think that separatism is a good idea for anyone, but I can understand that some people might prefer some self determination based on race (I would not).
  
  That self determinism is fine if they really want it, so long as those people then live their lives and make their decisions that do not impact on other people.
  
  Cindy has said she wants “partnership”, which is probably code for Maori make decisions, but my wallet is still involved and I get no say in the matter.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:20am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yeah, basically they will pick and choose which parts of everybody else’s system they want to participate in. Like opt in for welfare payments, opt out for paying tax on tribal corporate profits.
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:14pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    We need I think to be careful with “she says abc, but what she really means is xyz”. That is a potential trap, for she might then turn round and say no, it’s “only” efg – and then we’re all suckered into buying it, or at least the media are, because it’s not as bad as xyz.
    
    Seems to me Judith and Shane Reti are getting this right by simply asking questions as to what abc actually means, in practice, avoiding as far as possible saying anything about what they think it is. The onus is on the Government, not the Opposition, to set out what it is. Jacinda can’t obfuscate indefinitely and eventually she will have to be specific in a way that will lose her support from one side or another.
    
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    May 13, 2021 1:04pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Seems to me Judith and Shane Reti are getting this right by simply asking questions as to what abc actually means
      
      Sure, those of us who follow the News/Parliament closely will get this..
      but the MSM will run with Waititi’s message that because National is low in the polls, they are race-baiting:
      e.g.
      RNZ
      Her colleague Rawiri Waititi said it wasn’t about “shutting down the National Party”.
      
      “I’m sure the National Party has many policies, as according to them, that benefit Aotearoa, but… the opposition leader has been constantly bashing Māori to gain the votes of her Pākehā constituents – and that’s all it is”.
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/442441/policies-can-be-called-racist-but-not-mps-speaker-rules
      
      The Guardian:
      Co-leader Marama Davidson said via Twitter that she applauded Waititi and co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer Ngarewa-Packer for “calling out the absolute ongoing racist comments from Judith Collins in the House just now”.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/maori-party-co-leader-ejected-parliament-racism-row-haka
      
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      May 13, 2021 1:31pm
Fletch

More information is coming out about the Coronavirus now. A very, very long piece has been written by journalist Nicholas Wade at medium.com who connects the dots to find out that the NIH in the US, through another outfit, was actually funding that research in the Wuhan lab. And it all leads to one Anthony Fauci, who is paraded on TV all the time as being the number one expert on the virus.

https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

Tucker Carlson broke this stuff down in a report he did, questioning why Fauci is not being investigated.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6253587554001#sp=show-clips

Which led to Senator Paul Rand putting these questions to Fauci himself. He vehemently denies it, but the trail is there of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MndwrOzDvo

I’d say it is beyond doubt that the US directly funded “gain of function” research in the Wuhan lab – how to manipulate virus cells to make them infectious to humans.
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May 13, 2021 9:28am
- Batman
  
  As usual Fletch, you’re utterly wrong. This is why you shouldn’t believe a word that Steve Hilton and Tucker Carlson say, certainly the Fox News legal team recommended not taking Tucker seriously at all.
  
  As usual, you’re spreading lies which are unsubstantiated and have been undone already.
  
  https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/02/09/covid-dr-anthony-fauci-did-not-fund-research-tied-creation/4450338001/
  
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  May 13, 2021 9:57am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And as usual, Batman is utterly wrong….again. Fauci funded EcoHealth (Peter Daszak) who funded the Wuhan lab in their GOF research into BCV’s. Papers published by Wuhan researchers acknowledge the funding.
    
    But he just can’t help repeating the narrative he is given. Just a thought though, why are you so keen to obfuscate the truth ?
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:29am
  - Fletch
    
    Dr Shi, from the Wuhan Institute, in her paper on the gain of function research, lists Dr Fauci and the NIAID as sponsors of her research.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX049inRUcY
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:47am
    - Batman
      
      2+2 doesn’t equal five.
      
      You’re letting yourself be used as a useful idiot, which is a bit embarassing.
      
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      May 13, 2021 12:49pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Wow – lack of self=awareness there. Blue pilled, anyone?
        
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        May 13, 2021 2:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think we should ask the pink hared one about Fauci. Her opinion would be far more reliable //
    
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    May 13, 2021 6:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Good one Fletch, I have found Tucker very level headed, nothing like the crazies on CNN. Fauci is one weird little chap with a revolving attitude.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:47am
  - RichardX
    
    Inandout
    Good one Fletch, I have found Tucker very level headed, nothing like the crazies on CNN. Fauci is one weird little chap with a revolving attitude.
    MAY 13, 2021 10:47AM
    
    “Very level headed” except of course when he isn’t.
    
    “Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”
    
    https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/McDougal-Opinion.pdf
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:22am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s the truth if you believe it…
      
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      May 13, 2021 1:03pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Fauci seems to be a one man moneymaking virus provider and vaccine machine.
    Even a hint of such makes his announcements very suspect.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The left will always attack Carlson. Why? He says things that the left want censored – the truth
    
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    May 13, 2021 6:09pm
- virtualmark
  
  Tucker Carlson is a one-man bullshit factory. I wouldn’t believe a word he says.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:46pm
Maggie Pie

Most days I take Gladys for a walk at the beautiful ‘Waiata Reserve’.
The one thing you notice, is that everyone else there is also carrying a supply of plastic bags to pick up the poo.
You can then dispose of them in the council bins dotted about the Park.

Imagine living out…. ‘West Auckland’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1392566111191719936
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May 13, 2021 9:31am
- MCos
  
  What do you mean “everyone else”?
  
  Who is this Gladys? A pitbull?
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:25pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner’s mum, silly!!
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:30pm
    - MCos
      
      Better keep those plastic bags handy in case the Head Hunters from down the road give her a fright.
      
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      May 13, 2021 3:29pm
- sooty
  
  I’m going to call my next dog Cindy.
  I will be following around to pick up her shit!
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:36pm
I remember when

NZ Carbon Farming to convert 2600ha livestock farm in North Otago into carbon farm.
A group of 120 locals had a meeting to express their misgivings about the project.
Local farmer. Jane Smith, says the Government’s billion trees policy provides a free pass for carbon farmers at a time when new rules restrict what other landowners can do.
Smith says local district and regional council politicians were shocked at the unkempt state of the forest when they visited recently.
There were no fire breaks and no apparent weed or pest control.
NZCF said in a statement: “Our trees are never harvested. Instead, they are actively managed to return, over time, to a 100% indigenous and biodiverse conservation estate.”
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May 13, 2021 9:45am
Flossie

I really despair over this them v. us (Maori v. non-Maori) carry on. I am what I hope is a great mix of both, and I do not accept one side or the other as one hundred percent correct in all matters. I would hazard a guess that there are few if any 100% Maori in NZ so if many who line up on the Maori side could just consider their other heritage now and then maybe we could all live as one people?
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May 13, 2021 9:57am
- graham
  
  Might pay for anybody who does consider themselves to be Maori to work out just how far down the track that the Maori Party has planned for them they want to go.
  
  From the Maori Party website at https://www.maoriparty.org.nz/mana_motuhake:
  
  The Māori Party has announced a policy platform that is intergenerational and will never be retreated from. The only way this nation can work is where Māori assert their right to self-management, self-determination, and self-governance over all their domains.
  
  The Māori Party will:
  
  – Commit all Māori to the Māori electoral roll by 2023.
  – Entrench all Māori electorates.
  – Establish a Māori Parliament.
  
  I wonder if that means; if you’re Maori, then you will be on the Maori electoral roll – whether you want it or not?
  
  Māori Parliament
  
  We demand a Māori Parliament, exactly the same as has been granted to the Irish, the Scots and the Welsh. Westminster did not work for the Scots or the Irish – Wellington definitely does not work for Māori. Our right to self-governance and self-determination is clear. All fiscal transfers to this Māori Parliament have been clearly identified by the Māori Party in the release of its policies. Mainstream management of matters Māori will come to an end.
  
  We might consider Rawiri Waititi to be a clown, but make no mistake – these are the official policies of the current Maori Party, and Rawiri Waititi is in a position of power at the moment.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:23am
  - kowtow
    
    The Them V Us track we are going down will lead to nothing but division and grief .
    
    Where ever it is promulgated there is trouble.
    Scotland and Wales are mild compared to N Ireland , but troubled nonthe less.
    
    The Burn Loot Murder mob destroying a once happy land in the US and where ever else their Marxist creed crops up.
    
    Jew/Arab in the levant.
    
    Shia/ sunni through out the Middle East
    
    Belgium has its Dutch and Frenchies and is very divided.
    
    Canada , with its Fr V Eng and “First nations”
    
    Spain going down the same road.
    
    Etc
    
    Is that what our political class want for us?
    
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    May 13, 2021 11:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Maori Party are relative no-bodies. They only have local clout.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:04pm
- cmm
  
  It will continue as long as there’s a trough for the troughers to feed on.
  
  I suspect that the run of the mill Maori (no matter the % of genetics) have an equal loathing of this them vs us wedge that is being driven by the throughers.
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:53am
- kevn
  
  @Flos… We should all just get on the maori roll. If a NZ citizen, should be automatic option.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Few” …… None.
  
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  May 13, 2021 4:42pm
Cobolt24

RBNZ has become woke:
https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/news/2021/05/the-future-is-maori
https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research-and-publications/speeches/2021/speech2021-05-06

Bassett Brash and Hide has a good article on this:
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/reserve-bank-theocracy
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May 13, 2021 10:07am
- Cobolt24
  
  If the RBNZ really cared about Maori, they should think about their monetary policies and how it disproportionately affects them (and everyone)
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300223358/reserve-bank-repeatedly-warned-government-money-printing-would-lead-to-house-price-inflation
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:16am
- Rich Prick
  
  RNZ has mastered warbling on in Te Reo. Now if they would dedicate a similar amount of time broadcasting in our third official language, I’d be a satisfied customer.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:30am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Brilliant!!!
    
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    May 13, 2021 10:38am
  - Cobolt24
    
    I’m talking RBNZ not RNZ, but them too!
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:12pm
  - Bob
    
    dedicate a similar amount of time …
    to teaching presenters how to annunciate words in english; that ‘gabble’ is not an effective form of communication; that news is meant to be factual, not the personal opinion of the presenter; to present themselves on screen with a professional appearance, not some scruff image.
    
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    May 13, 2021 3:14pm
Tony Stuart

Judith Collins is taking criticism from Labour and the Maori Party in her stride, and good on her:

National leader Judith Collins is not backing down from questioning Māori co-governance proposals despite the Māori Party accusing her of racism.

“I will continue to ask questions on the constitutional nature that the Prime Minister’s clearly got some plans around, until she starts to answer those questions directly,” Collins said on Wednesday, following a heated debate in Parliament.

“I’m the leader of the Opposition. I’m not going to have my head petted and be told to sit down and be a good little girl.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/national-leader-judith-collins-not-backing-down-from-co-governance-debate-in-face-of-m-ori-party-protests.html

Judith Collins is not going to allow people like Rawiri Waititi to bully her into silence, and all power to her. But Jacinda Ardern could put an end to all this, by simply agreeing that there needs to be a wide-ranging public debate over the He Puapua report, and its possible implications for New Zealand’s future. Until she agrees to engage, Collins will continue to ask hard questions of the Prime Minister.
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May 13, 2021 10:16am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m pretty sure Judith could wipe the floor with that scruffy thug. But he’s a distraction, Cindy needs to come clean on her separatist aspirations.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:26am
- graham
  
  There are too many similarities between the He Puapua report and the Maori Party’s policies to be a coincidence, or to have been arrived at completely independently.
  
  Over the past weeks I’ve heard various people try to downplay He Puapua, minimise the suggestions of handing over DoC land to Maori, and level accusations of racism against anybody who raises concerns.
  
  But these aren’t just reports being written by very junior officials (someone suggested this on HDPA’s show last night, re the DoC proposal), these are wide-ranging proposals being made at very senior levels. He Puapua is the result of a Declaration Working Group (DWG) that was set up by the Labour-New Zealand First coalition to devise a plan and vision on just how New Zealand would meet our commitment to supporting the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. It’s about as high level as you can get.
  
  Judith Collins is absolutely right to continue in her questioning of Maori co-governance proposals. How on earth can the Maori Party accuse her of racism for asking about this? It’s their actual policy!
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:11am
  - Ruawai
    
    And now they will have seats solely for Maori on the councils they will pass whatever changes they want.
    
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    May 13, 2021 12:57pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

A number of disgruntled customers who purchased footwear from the Palmerston North store ‘Number One Shoes’, have returned them for credit after noticing a loud ‘squelching-noise’ when out walking.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300305998/man-accused-of-unlawful-sexual-acts-with-shoes-was-a-high-school-student-teacher
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May 13, 2021 10:16am
- Jack5
  
  This sole practitioner would have been happy as a butler for Imelda Marcos:
  
  https://youtu.be/QcUXtb1uQ8Q
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, buy one and get the next squelch half price.
  
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  May 13, 2021 10:39am
- kowtow
  
  Shudda kept his cobblers’ awls in the tool box.
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:12am
doggone7

Interesting story on Stuff given the well-publicised case recently about breaking name suppression.

“I’ll die in jail’: Convicted businessman appears to breach own name suppression in mass email plea.”

If I get the email and tell people about it am I breaking the suppression order?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300305655/ill-die-in-jail-convicted-businessman-appears-to-breach-own-name-suppression-in-mass-email-plea
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May 13, 2021 10:58am
- MCos
  
  Don’t know, but why is the guy continuing to fight tooth & nail to keep his name secret when he’ll give an arm & a leg to use it to garner support?
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our ineffective PM and her useless Governments:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125115979/child-poverty-report-shows-no-measurable-improvement-in-housing-conditions-hospitalisations-food-security
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May 13, 2021 11:31am
- Wired-one
  
  The minister in charge should be sacked…
  
  Most incompetent, inept, out of their depth, arrogant, government in our history.
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:57am
  - Paulus
    
    How do you spell sack ?
    and what does it mean – eg sack of potatoes (now expensive).
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Q.
Has the gun buy-back been effective?

A. Don’t know

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/442464/national-hammers-government-over-unclear-gun-buy-back-estimates
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May 13, 2021 11:34am
- graham
  
  Seems to be a bit of a trend developing here …
  
  Q. How much have we spent on motels repairing damage done by emergency housing clients?
  A. We don’t know, MSD doesn’t have that data.
  
  Q. How many of the thousands of taxpayer-funded school lunches are being left uneaten by students each week?
  A. We don’t know, nobody counts that.
  
  Q. How many guns are you expecting to be handed in?
  A. Umm …
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:44am
MCos

I see the SFO has charged people with regard to Labour Party donations dating back four years.
That pretty much leaves ACT & The Greens as the last ones standing.
Some lawyers somewhere must be making a fine living out of all this. Maybe the same people are working for the SFO in one case and against them in another; or is that unethical.
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May 13, 2021 11:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, oh dear..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300306540/six-people-charged-over-labour-party-donations
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May 13, 2021 11:37am
- plc
  
  Pfft it was 2017, move on….don’t you know Jacinda saved 80,000 lives by getting us to put teddy bears on the windowsill
  
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  May 13, 2021 11:56am
  - slernz
    
    … and she has a baby. Be kind.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:54pm
- burt
  
  Like previous times, this is nothing that a few retrospective validations covering an unspecified amount of money won’t make go away.
  
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  May 13, 2021 12:03pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

‘Knife-wielding man in Houston Supermarket shot by Police’

Here they get name suppression.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1392622176302477317
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May 13, 2021 11:51am
Bobba Fret

This one will get name suppression when they catch up with him.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shopper-pulls-knife-on-christchurch-store-attendant-over-fake-cash/LPNNH36T7VDWD2E5WK6HCXSCWU/
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May 13, 2021 12:14pm
MCos

I don’t understand
Maybe someone here can explain?
https://twitter.com/theimeu/status/1392629584458309635?s=21
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May 13, 2021 12:35pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  An international agreement gave East Jerusalem to the Palestinians who turned it down and instead tried to murder all the Jews and take all of Israel (with the help of their neighbors) – even to the extent that they moved away to neighboring countries so as not to be caught up in the ethnic cleansing. When Israel wiped the floor with the combined forces of their Middle Eastern enemies they took their land back.
  
  The Palestinians then tried claiming the land that they had previously turned down and Israel basically refused, given the attempts to murder them. “International Law” is supposedly on the Palestinian’s side but Israel were never happy about the total lack of accountability for the attempted murder of their people and still believe that land is rightly theirs, won through a land war, started by the Palestinians and their neighbors.
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Israel is systematically removing Palestinians from the occupied territories, especially East Jerusalem at present. Many Palestinians have no legal title to the properties they inhabit, despite having lived there for decades, so there are numerous legal means to dispossess them.
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:39pm
  - mandk
    
    You can play the old dispossessed peoples game forever, mma. What about the Jews who were dispossed and displace centuries/several millennia ago?
    
    Fact is, the Palestinians never had any intention of living in peace with Israel, and they have missed every opportunity to get back the West Bank.
    
    Most Palestinians would be indifferent to the slaughter of Jews and many would positively support it. And the terrorists firing hundreds of rockets at Israel daily are funded and equipped by the evil Iranian regime that has vowed to drive all the Jews into the sea and wipe Israel off the map.
    
    It’s no surprise that most of the influential Arab states no longer have any time for the Palestinians. They recognise that Israel is a force for stability and progress, while the Palestinians contribute nothing to the peace and prosoperity of the region.
    
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    May 13, 2021 2:36pm
  - MCos
    
    About forty years ago I did some house drawings for some people who were part owners of Maori land near Thames.
    They consulted all the other joint owners, everything was tickity boo & they applied for a permit, as it was called in those days, and then the nastiness began.
    It turned out that in the gold mining days people were given prospecting licenses on Maori land around there whether the owners liked it or not.
    As part of the license the prospector could build a basic hut to live in for the duration. However when the licenses lapsed succeeding generations of the mining families stayed on and replaced the huts with houses on the Maori land.
    Around the time I became involved on the sidelines the Maoris wanted their land back. They didn’t want it back so much as wanted these people off. I’m not sure what happened, but I believe my clients might have come up against some squatters who worked at the council. It didn’t effect their land, but the bad feeling against Maori land owners was transferable so got a rough time from inspectors etc.
    I wonder what would have happened if a bunch of Maoris had bowled up waving title to the land and chucked a family out of what they thought was their home?
    I’m guessing here, but I think I’d know who’d be on which side.
    
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    May 13, 2021 4:06pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons you shouldn’t get too excited MCos.
  He says it’s long been known that ‘Hamas’ fakes scenes like this and is happy to use children as human shields.
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:57pm
  - MCos
    
    Just asking the question, Maggie.
    
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    May 13, 2021 3:34pm
- mandk
  
  You can tell the footage is faked.
  
  There appears to be two blokes tying to fend off a ‘mob’ of around five or six.
  
  One of the blokes steps back, yet the other bloke somehow manages to keep the ‘mob’ at bay.
  
  Suddenly, it is all over and everything is quiet.
  
  Very poorly choreographed.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:17pm
JibberJabber

Massive 130 rocket barrage fired from Gaza. Footage is circulating on Israeli social media.

https://twitter.com/Starrlord89/status/1392572867036991490

*snackbar alert.
Jeepers, who is paying for all this and where did they get the money from?
Yeah, yeah, rhetorical question, we all know Biden has used US taxpayers’ money via his Iranian proxies to inflame this region.
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May 13, 2021 12:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why would you write such an obvious lie?
  
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  May 13, 2021 1:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe you need to ask yourself the same question
    
    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ULALGRFGI
    
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    May 13, 2021 4:35pm
- rangitoto
  
  For sure none of this happened on Donald Trump’s watch. Bring back Donald!
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:29pm
- Swifty
  
  I saw that earlier today JibberJabber and, while I’m not remotely an expert on this (or anything), that looked to me a level of rocketry I thought unavailable to Palestinians – the rocketry I’ve usually seen is single or double barrel stuff with a three or four man squad operating out of some backyard.
  
  That video looks to me like tens of rocket units all working in unison and, what, operating out of some large field or rural area, with no cover?
  
  Wouldn’t the Israeli’s have seen them assembling (by drone, plane, US satellite etc) and taken them out?
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:38pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Look at the absolute hysteria from the useless politicians and the media when Israel retaliates, imagine the spittle-flecked apoplexy if Israel was to launch a preemptive strike against the(mostly peaceful) terrorist organisation Hamas.
    
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    May 13, 2021 3:56pm
    - Swifty
      
      Oh I quite agree.
      
      Just concerned about the veracity of that footage.
      
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      May 13, 2021 4:20pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Their own words
  https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-islamic-jihad-official-ramez-al-halabi-rockets-we-use-pound-tel-aviv-our-weapons
  
  https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/28/iran-deal-biden-bailout/
  
  Biden’s $90 Billion Bailout to Tehran
  Rejoining the Iran deal could undo years of progress in the Middle East.
  
  U.S. President Joe Biden has inherited a relatively peaceful Middle East—not without its challenges—but one marked by historic peace agreements between several Arab countries and Israel after decades without movement on the recognition of Israel.
  
  Join the dots…
  
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  May 13, 2021 3:07pm
plc

Watching TV3 News last night and there was a story on ECE pay rises.

Apparently the Government is going to subsidise all private ECE worker salaries so they are the same as Kindergarten teachers salaries.

National Awards by stealth
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May 13, 2021 12:47pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not quite “all” ECE workers plc. We are involved in home-based care, and there’s no extra money coming our way. Instead, we’ll find it even harder to attract qualified teachers to work for us, when they can get better money elsewhere.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:00pm
RW Capitalist

Lets run the numbers
Bloomfield told us about a month ago
300000 vaccines in country
today he tells us 232000 vaccines administered
60000 people fully vaccinated ie 120 000 vaccines delivered to these people
112 000 with one vaccine awaiting their 2nd dose.
with 68000 doses left we don’t have enough to administer all the 2nd doses.
Hipkins a month or so ago said the next delivery was due in June.
With their “target” of 10000 per day, we have less than a week left.
Q: What happens to the rest of us?
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May 13, 2021 1:26pm
- Inandout
  
  RW, just get on with life.
  
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  May 13, 2021 3:49pm
thetiedarch

Christ Almighty. It’s going to take an age to vaccinate this country for COVID.

First vaccines arrived on 15 Feb 2021 (https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/first-batch-covid-19-vaccine-arrives-nz#:~:text=The%20first%20batch%20of%20COVID,Airport%20at%209.34am%20today.)

As of today, we had 120,000 fully vaccinated people in the 3 months since then (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125119588/covid19-dr-ashley-bloomfield-giving-vaccine-update).

That’s 40,000 people per month fully vaccinated.

The population of NZ is 5,084,000 people of which approx 80% are over the age of 16 for a total of 4,064,000 people requiring the vaccine.

Assuming we aim for herd immunity, 70% of those need to be vaccinated for a total of 2,845,000 people.

If we carry on at the rate of vaccinations we’re completing now, it’ll take 71 months to achieve full vaccination for 70% of the adult population. That’s 6 years.

Unless I’ve absolutely ****** the maths, if they’re aiming to vaccinate all 70% by the end of the year, the number of people vaccinated each month needs to increase 10-fold instantly!

I can’t see this happening.
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May 13, 2021 1:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Six years! A huge failure by Ardern.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:25pm
- virtualmark
  
  The bit you’re not factoring in is the pace of deliveries.
  
  Pfizer has always said they would ramp up the rate of deliveries significantly from June onwards (I’m not sure if that’s 1 June or 30 June). Basically their US production is committed to the US market for now, but as the US vaccination programme winds down that US manufacturing capacity can switch to deliveries for other countries like us.
  
  Basically, from Feb to June is “vaccinate as many high-priority people as we can given the limited supplies we receive” and then from June-ish onwards it’s “vaccinate everyone as fast as we can”.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:52pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  using your numbers.
  2845000 by Christmas….14000 per day.
  
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  May 13, 2021 3:59pm
I remember when

Since reliable mortality data existed (c1980 onwards) Pacific mortality has been intermediary between European/Other and Maori.
This is despite, on average, a lower socioeconomic position of Pacific than Maori, and often healthier risk factor profiles.
Pacific people often have lower smoking rates.

The smoking gun!
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May 13, 2021 1:37pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/public-sector-pay-freeze-grant-robertson-deeply-regrets-causing-distress/2TP4VZVHO7SVP6UIS4A7UJNGSY/

“However he maintains the restrictions do not amount to a pay freeze, or austerity.”

Two younger nurses at my partner’s ward are resigning and moving to Australia. Grant Robertson was the tipping point.

Two examples do mean anything in isolation, I wonder how many others are doing the same.
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May 13, 2021 1:56pm
- Gravelroad
  
  But I bet these two younger nurses voted for Jacinda and would do so again next time.
  St Jacinda is Mr Robertson’s boss…….
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:23pm
- rangitoto
  
  Did they vote for Cindy?
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:26pm
- Swifty
  
  Because of higher wage and salary rates we’ve lost people to Aussie for the last 150 years – and we will continue to do so for the next 150.
  
  And, losing people to Aussie doesn’t alter the fact that those employed by the NZ government have not suffered anywhere remotely as greatly, as a result of our Covid response, as those in the private sector – and I personally think it appropriate that public sector employees shoulder a little of the burden, through wage restraint, in recognition of this fact.
  
  BTW – it is both obscene and perverse for the various public sector union howler monkeys to be screeching about ‘austerity’ – while this Labour government spends at levels unknown in NZ’s history.
  
  Truly perverse. Their rhetoric in support of their paid membership has become demented.
  
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  May 13, 2021 2:31pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The only thing Grant “Muldoon” Robertson “deeply regrets” is that public servants didn’t fall at his feet in their sincere appreciation of his magnanimous gesture to freeze their incomes for three years!
  
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  May 13, 2021 4:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Clayton’s” gesture you mean.
    
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    May 13, 2021 4:31pm
I remember when

Woman gets ominous warning to ‘make the most of the next three years’ after requesting refund from psychic: Newshub
Hilarious – unless you BELIEVE in psychics.
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May 13, 2021 2:17pm
Jack5

All on the bus for an Ardernist New Zealand?

Electric cars and bans on petrol and diesel vehicles could force everyone except the rich out of driving motor-vehicles, says the chief of the world’s fifth biggest car maker.

The warning comes from Carlos Tavares, chief executive of Stellantis, whose brands include Fiat, Chrysler, Citroen, Jeep, Dodge, Peugeot, Vauxhall, Alfa-Romeo, Maserati, and RAM.

Tavares says the rush to electric cars may make motor-vehicles too expensive for nations’ middle classes.

The Telegraph reports Tavares as saying: “I can’t imagine a democratic society where there is no freedom of mobility because it’s only for wealthy people and all the others will use public transport.”

Tavares added: “How can we protect freedom of mobility for the middle class who may not be able to afford 30,000 euros for a battery electric vehicle when today they pay half that for the same product with a conventional engine?”
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May 13, 2021 2:23pm
cmm

PriNZess to head a business delegation to Oz….

That raises a few interesting questions:
1) WTF does she know about business? Why even send her? I can’t see the Aussie business community fawning over her.
2) C’mon it’s the 2000s we don’t need to send people anywhere (esp. not to Oz) Skype/whatever will do the job.
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May 13, 2021 2:37pm
- Tall Man
  
  Come on, that’s a bit harsh …. Who else can do hugz like cindy?
  
  Of more concern, are they taking a cultural group from Whitereia for the dancing and prayers?
  
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  May 13, 2021 4:24pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  She would be eaten alive by Aussie mozzies.
  Having insulted their PM does she not expect similar treatment?
  Has she really flipped her lid thinking she is playing in an adult kindy sandpit?
  Aussie business people will not be kind.
  
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  May 13, 2021 5:37pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

WARNING, WARNING
Turned on the Parliament house debate. Please avoid for your own sanity. The green turd Richardo Wet-back is making a speach about how bad NZ immigration policy is and how it is discrimination. If only he would f**k-off……..
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May 13, 2021 3:13pm
- Swifty
  
  The MP for Tijuana appears greatly more concerned with the rights and wellbeing of citizens of other countries – than those of New Zealanders.
  
  Why is that?
  
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  May 13, 2021 4:19pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Might be because he’s not a New Zealander and never will be. Cretinous little turd that he is, and so entitled.
    
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    May 13, 2021 6:05pm
Tony Stuart

You’re not likely to hear a better speech in the NZ Parliament this year than that of Erica Stanford this afternoon:

https://vimeo.com/548702362

Erica has done a magnificent job advocating on behalf of migrants whose families have been separated, through no fault of their own. She has consistently shown up Immigration New Zealand as heartless and Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi, once the great hope of the Ardern government, as being totally out of his depth.
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May 13, 2021 4:10pm
Swifty

“Samoan Prime Minister claims to be ‘appointed by God'”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/442478/samoan-prime-minister-claims-to-be-appointed-by-god

Riiiiiiiiiiight……..
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May 13, 2021 4:13pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Biblical.
  
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  May 13, 2021 5:32pm
MCos

Jonah Lomu’s birthday
https://twitter.com/allblacks/status/1392298192201338882?s=21
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May 13, 2021 4:25pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Did you see where his niece is serving 27 years for drug importation?
  
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  May 13, 2021 4:41pm
  - Swifty
    
    Concurrent, surely, not cumulative.
    
    “Fakaosilea was jailed for 12 years and six months, to be served in addition to a sentence of 14 years, six months for admitting supplying meth and cocaine, totalling 27 years.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/125104039/jonah-lomus-niece-appeals-ninety-mile-beach-drug-haul-conviction-and-jail-term
    
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    May 13, 2021 4:54pm
    - Inandout
      
      Swifty, good old Ninety Mile Beach, such a handy dropping off point for all kinds of legal and illegal stuff. Even ciggies landed for a pittance apparently.
      
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      May 13, 2021 8:50pm
  - MCos
    
    Quite clearly nothing to do with Jonah, whose birthday it is today and who died more than five years ago.
    
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    May 13, 2021 6:31pm
Maggie Pie

And anyone else like us……
had a basinful of hearing about ‘Child Poverdy’?
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May 13, 2021 4:38pm
Fletch

But nothing to hide….
Arizona’s Maricopa County deletes entire databases days before turning over election equipment for an audit.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2021/05/12/breaking-maricopa-county-deleted-entire-databases-prior-to-turning-over-equipment-to-audit/
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May 13, 2021 4:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, nothing to see here, it was written by Time, go read how.
  
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  May 13, 2021 5:54pm
TWEEDSE

Cindy to lead business delegation to Australia.

What an absolute joke. She knows f’all about business. In fact she hates business for idealogical reasons. I have no idea who these business leaders going with her are but I wouldn’t want be seen dead with her.
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May 13, 2021 4:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Cheney is a traitor and should be treated as such.
For too long the elite have looked after themselves, and not the people. She is a RINO and needs to piss off to the Democrats.
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/liz-cheney-removed-gop-post-132347685.html
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May 13, 2021 5:37pm
- MCos
  
  I saw a video of Cheney making a speech to the Senate or somewhere.
  She sounded as conservative as can be. There’s no way she’d either want to be a Democrat or they would want her on their team.
  Your problem is she loathes Trump and refuses to go along with his and by default the more fanatical faction of his support who believe the ref got it wrong.
  BTW
  Did you see that fool who thought the Jan 6 mob looked like regular tourists.
  
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  May 13, 2021 7:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    Mcos, and Mexican illegals also ‘regular tourists’?
    
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    May 13, 2021 8:52pm
    - Batman
      
      What’s with the obsession with Mexicans?
      
      Take a look at the Jan 6 crowd, it was 99% white and very angry at the promised land that was promised by the snake oil sales man not turning up…
      
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      May 13, 2021 9:07pm
  - Batman
    
    Nice to know she’s a traitor for the crime of pointing out that reality exists.
    
    I’m just waiting for Donald to call all true believers to Mara Lago to begin the process of ascending to the MAGAland
    
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    May 13, 2021 9:17pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125105157/parents-worry-where-disabled-children-will-live-after-they-die
Jesus.
I almost cried when I read this.
I have 3 healthy children and 5 healthy grandchildren and for that I am incredibly grateful.
I can’t help thinking that all the multi-millions of dollars spent on government crap and identity crap and treaty crap would be so much better spent on these families.
There but for the grace of God go I.
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May 13, 2021 5:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is getting very difficult for folks with disabled children and young adults to find good care for them.
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/11th-hour-bid-to-stop-sale-of-disabled-centre
  
  I have an acquaintance who at age 86 is still needing to oversee the care of his 3 mentally disabled brothers-in law (ages ranging from 75-80).
  
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  May 13, 2021 7:10pm
graham

Wow … brave man … wait for the self-appointed woke brigade to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ruapehu-councillor-walks-out-of-meeting-over-karakia/U33IGLHDJG4PHQQL6OXOBZRCK4/

Doyle said he was uncomfortable with opening a public meeting with any formal system of belief, whether it was “a karakia, a Hail Mary or an Our Father”.
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May 13, 2021 5:56pm
Monique Watson

Ardern doesn’t trust that supply will meet demand despite stocks of vaccine rolling in weekly so putting on the brakes before there is an accidental undersupply. Which is one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve heard her say. Any stock manager can see the absurdity in the situation.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pm-vaccine-stocks-could-run-out-before-july-surge
This is frustrating.

As soon as the Vaccine was approved the trucks rolled out of the depot and the States were left to set up vaccine centers and we had all the queue jumping and call center waits and irritating booking software to navigate back in Feb. Now fully immunized like 30 million other Californians. NZ is taking all year to vaccinate and another to open the border. I see Ardern was trying to sell it to Business NZ today and I bet they were laughing their arses off.
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May 13, 2021 6:08pm
Swifty

burt, calling burt, come in burt…..

I’ve just heard on RNZ driving home in the car Ardern quoted by their political reporter Jane Patterson as saying, in response to parties associated with Labour being charged with electoral donation offences, “it’s concerning that there are so many people being charged; maybe it’s time to change the law…..” (paraphrased by me).

Patterson then added “may be no law changes are what’s needed – what’s needed is for people to comply with existing laws….” (my words).

FFS – when I’ve got time I’ll look up the RNZ piece – but, if true, Ardern has dropped her guard on this one and revealed her true self. Her priority is people not being charged – not people complying with the law. And such important law.

“It’s the law that’s the problem, everyone’s doing it. We need to change the law, now move on…..”
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May 13, 2021 6:10pm
- Swifty
  
  “The law is confusing….”
  
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  May 13, 2021 6:10pm
- wreck1080
  
  Lady on talkback the other day was saying how in Whakatane or TePuke (can’t recall which), mongrel mob members frequently stroll into the supermarket and just take what they want without paying. Not even trying to hide this behaviour.
  
  Given they seem to be allowed to do this (on Police advice?), we should change the law to allow theft.
  
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  May 13, 2021 7:17pm
Cobolt24

Was just listening to Mucus Slush on ZB and can’t understand how anyone finds his conversations enjoyable.
Ok, I’ll admit most of the time it’s fine but, some nights like tonight I find him completely unlistenable.
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May 13, 2021 10:02pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

If there was any doubt that this govt is completely useless, foreign minister Mahuta speaking about gaza/israel is an embarrassment. We should be thankful that she isnt face to face with world leaders….NZ credinility on World Stage is zero.
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