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General Debate 22 May 2021

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Tony Stuart

Just when us over-65’s had resigned ourselves to the only thing we got from the Budget being a free Covid jab, even that’s in doubt now. This, from Michael Morrah of Newshub:

The 1.7 million New Zealanders at high risk of getting very sick or dying from COVID19 should know by now when they can expect to be vaccinated – but most of them don’t.

They’re those over 65 or with underlying health conditions – known to the Ministry of Health as Group 3.

Originally the Ministry said they’d be vaccinated in May. Then it became “late May”. And now late May is here, they’re refusing to say when it will happen.

And if you think you can just ask your DHB, think again. I’ve asked every DHB in the country when their Group 3 jabs will begin. Most of them refused to say – directing me back to the Ministry.

But the Ministry’s not telling. It did say Group 3 vaccinations will be underway this month or in June “as planned”. June has never been part of the plan. To get more information, I was told to go through the cumbersome and time-consuming Official Information Act process.

Eventually, I was given clarity about why it was so difficult to get basic information. The answer: The Ministry doesn’t have the information. “We’re actively working with all DHBs to finalise the same information you’re seeking,” a spokesperson said.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/opinion-the-high-risk-group-that-should-know-when-they-re-getting-vaccinated-but-don-t-and-neither-does-the-health-ministry.html

The Ministry of Health is becoming increasingly dysfunctional, and it’s hard to have any confidence in the MoH’s ability to get major health issues sorted. But the ultimate responsibility rests with Covid Recovery Minister Chris Hipkins and Health Minister Andrew Little.

Hipkins must be regretting the day last year when he said New Zealand was at the “head of the queue” for Covid-19 vaccinations. He’s since tried to justify that statementby saying he meant at the head of the queue to negotiate purchases of vaccines, but if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale.

The truth of the matter is far more simple. Not only is New Zealand not at the head of the queue, but Hipkins, Little and the MoH wallahs don’t even know where the queue is! In the meantime, we owe Mike Morrah another debt of gratitude for being the only person in the media asking hard questions of this government in regard to Covid-19.
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December 22, 2020 8:15am
- Nickc2
  
  But the situation will be vastly improved when the Maori Health Agency kicks in, //
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:30am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I can hardly wait!
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:42am
  - Prince
    
    Surely Maori are higher risk so they will veto any vax for pakeha until Maori have theirs.
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:25am
- Greg Ettridge
  
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  “The 1.7 million New Zealanders at high risk of getting very sick or dying from COVID19 “
  One death in 8 months.
  It is a wonder Michael leaves his home at all, he obviously is a very risk adverse person.
  Sensationalism at its best.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You don’t seem to understand the purpose of vaccination.
    
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    May 22, 2021 8:40am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    I really do think the governments inability to deliver this experimental drug is a bonus.
    Interesting fact revealed this week 72 % in aged care in Australia have had second dose.
    Rest of the population, VIC, NSW,WA are hovering around 10%, rest of the states don’t report it.
    I know a dozen people that had first jab, one has had second.
    The public have quickly woken up that the cure is far worse than the virus.
    I may have a jab when there are some factual concrete stats on this experiment.
    I don’t have the flu jab, the one year I got it, I got the flu, so think it’s pointless.
    I am vaccinated for everything else with proven peer reviewed vaccines.
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:09am
    - kevn
      
      @Greg E… Exactly. But the fear factor has lots of people ring fenced.
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:31am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        When I went for my first shot didn’t see any fearful people at all. They must have been hanging out on KB.
        
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        May 22, 2021 10:35am
      - Apropos of the Wet Snow
        
        Brian, welcome to the largest drug trial in history. You are truly a member of the vanguard of experimental medicine.
        
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        May 22, 2021 11:54am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        @ Brian McDonald.
        
        That slightly awkward moment when a serial killer refers to his “first shot”.
        
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        May 22, 2021 1:27pm
    - Cinematic
      
      Seems sensible.
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Best to not be part of the research on something untested
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:44am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Even less so when Fauci & Gates are smiling about the money they bring.
        
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        May 22, 2021 10:32am
    - MCos
      
      We don’t live in Australia. Apart from that they all seem to be grizzling over there too.
      https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/17/abject-failure-only-834-out-of-23000-australian-disability-care-residents-vaccinated
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:50am
    - rouppe
      
      Well, I’ve had both covid shots in April, and got the influenza jab on Wednesday.
      
      I’m not glowing in the night.
      I’m not feeling sick.
      I don’t have any aches or pains.
      I don’t have voices in my head telling me Jacinda is great.
      
      Pfizer made the covid injection. They have one purpose and that is to make money. If they fuck it up their share price will crash and they’ll go under. So no, I don’t think Pfizer is in any collusion with mysterious government forces.
      
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      May 22, 2021 10:42am
      - Batman
        
        Thanks for this rouppe. It’s good to hear from actual people who’ve had their shot rather than the radio silence we usually get due to the low numbers of people who’ve had it
        
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        May 22, 2021 11:19am
      - Cinematic
        
        There’s no rush to have this vaccine unless you’re in a high risk group or it’s demanded of you for your employment. Let time do it’s work, every day confidence in the vaccines safety increases as the guinea pigs join the experiment and data is collected without much in the way of adverse reactions. I’m happy to let that play out for as long as possible.
        
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        May 22, 2021 11:33am
      - Apropos of the Wet Snow
        
        It was only a month ago. Drug trials typically last years before they are considered safe enough. Let us know in a year or two.
        
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        May 22, 2021 1:03pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        “Pfizer made the covid injection. They have one purpose and that is to make money. If they fuck it up their share price will crash and they’ll go under. So no, I don’t think Pfizer is in any collusion with mysterious government forces”
        
        I could not have put it any better myself rouppe. Thank you. I have had my first shot (Pfizer)… not even a sore arm. We’re administering 60K doses a day in BC. One of my grad students got hers this evening about half an hour ago, she was texting us all [with joy].
        
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        May 22, 2021 1:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They gave you saline to make you feel good about being vaccinated with salt.
        This Govt LIES! Did you not know that?
        
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        May 22, 2021 4:07pm
      - curry4me
        
        rouppe: Nailed it. I’m having the vaccination whenever, and I don’t care if it’s 99% horse pee.
        
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        May 22, 2021 4:36pm
      - rouppe
        
        @cinematic. I wasn’t in a rush. I was at work and they got a call saying there were 20 doses going to waste, available to anyone who wanted it.
        
        From my perspective I want to travel sooner rather than later. A covid inoculation is likely to be a prerequisite. So I took the opportunity
        
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        May 23, 2021 11:42am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I don’t have the flu jab, the one year I got it, I got the flu, so think it’s pointless.”
      
      Were you actually diagnosed by a doctor who told you that you had influenza? Almost every day in winter I encounter people telling me they have “the flu” 90 percent of them have colds.
      
      As for the vaccine, they are not experimental, they are safe, they will prevent millions of deaths and countless more who would end up in hospital on oxygen.
      
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      May 22, 2021 11:34am
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yah, we have a saying in scientific research:
        “The plural of ‘anecdote’ is not ‘data’ “
        
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        May 22, 2021 2:06pm
    - lifesgood
      
      You cannot get the flu from the flu jab, full stop. The tiny bit of virus in an injection is not live. Doctors tell people this over and over but they steadfastly refuse to believe it. You would have already had the flu virus in your body before you got the flu jab.
      
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      May 22, 2021 11:47am
      - [email protected]
        
        Or picked it up at the doctor’s office while getting the flu jab.
        
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        May 22, 2021 12:39pm
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      it’s funny how the talk of herd immunity has all but gone from cinday, hipkiss,Bloomfield et al. herd immunity is the main objective in mass vaccine programs, to achieve this we need 90 or 95% jabbed. whoops, maybe the idiots realized that under 12s (who won’t be jabbed) account for 25% of the population.
      
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      May 22, 2021 7:31pm
  - DenisPurdy
    
    Do you want New Zealand to stay closed off to the rest of the world forever?
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:54am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      No but I’ve never given into blackmail
      
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      May 22, 2021 10:21am
      - rouppe
        
        How many times have you been blackmailed?
        
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        May 22, 2021 10:43am
      - sooty
        
        Every bloody election, mate!
        
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        May 22, 2021 4:13pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Sensationalism, you say? I think you need to look up the definition of that word – Morrah’s piece is accurate, timely and informative. If only news of this government’s continuous stuff-ups was “sensational” – sadly it’s only too commonplace.
    
    By the way it’s “risk averse” not “adverse”.
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:38am
- RockyJ
  
  The Ministry website said vaccines would be available “from” May, not “in” May. Devious use of words. “From” could be May 2022.
  I would be interested to know who makes the decision on which countries get allocated vaccine? I wouldn’t mind betting our own government threw us under the bus on that one.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:32am
  - KiWombat
    
    More likely May 2023 Rocky, election year !
    
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    May 22, 2021 8:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You got it! They are as cunning as a shithouse rat
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:45am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Did it confuse you? Maybe you should let them know.
    
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    May 22, 2021 10:37am
    - RockyJ
      
      Not confused at all. I realised they were bullshitting
      
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      May 22, 2021 5:55pm
  - Prince
    
    ‘From’ replaced ‘in’ last month.
    The political power of a preposition.
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:29am
- Inandout
  
  Tony, I would imagine a fair percentage of the elderly risk group will develop much more serious diseases in the meantime, and sadly some will die. That is how mortality works.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:33am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    600 die with the flu each year.
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:12am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I though Covid cured the flu? //
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:46am
    - redflagged
      
      2000 with pneumonia and other respiratory infections/issues as well using the latest stats from 2017
      
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      May 22, 2021 10:36am
- Sacha
  
  It’s This Government’s policy: keep the population distracted by creating uncertainty about their personal health, and they won’t be too concerned about the mischief (to put it kindly) that the Government itself is creating.
  It worked perfectly for the election, so why jettison a good tactic, eh?
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:40am
  - kowtow
    
    In respect of this kung Flu , I don’t think this govt actually had / have a policy .
    
    It’s all been done on the fly , triggered by a panicky phone call from a mysterious overseas “friend”.
    
    In today’s Herald she has the gall to say any decisions will be data driven , that’s bullshit.
    
    Meanwhile papers’ cartoons (stuff/herald) continue their attacks on Collins .
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:56am
    - sooty
      
      Sister, overseas!
      
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      May 22, 2021 12:45pm
  - oldfella
    
    Sacha, or keep the population distracted with weddings, and wedding dresses, and guest lists.
    That works as well. /s
    
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    May 22, 2021 10:07am
    - sooty
      
      Who is going or more importantly, who’s not!
      
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      May 22, 2021 12:46pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Sacha – couldn’t agree more.
    Mind you, I thought the feeble no-names In Parliament shouting out about how proud they are to be socialists was laughable.
    They are supposed to be our country’s governance reps and as such, should be able to behave with some dignity.
    Will look out for some red “Socialist Pride” pedestrian crossings in Wellington shortly.
    
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    May 22, 2021 10:17am
    - tf78
      
      Gravelroad, late in the day I know, but discussing that topic, isn’t this where our GG should step in and take the reins. This is not appropriate behaviour by representatives acting for New Zealand.
      
      Patsy Redy can not take Jacinda’s side in this as Jacinda is complicit in acting against the Crown in my opinion. There was a name for these actions once upon a time, begins with a “T”.
      
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      May 22, 2021 7:59pm
- pdm
  
  `Hipkins must be regretting the day last year when he said New Zealand was at the “head of the queue” for Covid-19 vaccinations. ‘
  
  Hipkins does not regret anything – he has no conscience or integrity.
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:10am
  - yossarian
    
    I dunno, yes the few in the public remind him of it all the time. No one in the media does.
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘I think it is possible to exist in Politics without lying’
    Oh wait, it was Jaspinda who said that
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:48am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Yes it was the Master of Muppets that said that
      
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      May 22, 2021 10:17am
      - sooty
        
        The clown car driver!
        
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        May 22, 2021 12:47pm
- cmm
  
  Because most 65+ year olds are parents and grandparents and will put benefits to their kids/grandkids ahead of their own.
  
  The best thing anyone can do for CV19 (and their health in general) is to not be obese.
  
  Sure a few people really do have the excuse of “their glands”, but the vast majority of obese people have the ability to fix it.
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:32am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Plans change so you can always be 10% ahead of the plan.
  
  You stupid little boy.
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:35am
- Happy1
  
  The decision back in January to go 100% Pfizer will delay things as we won’t use the Oxford jab which is doing the heavy lifting in Aussie. I think the decision was both ballsie and right. We will end up better off with a higher number vaccinated due to lower vaccine hesitancy and a much higher efficacy ( 95% to 82%) will mean more protection. There is talk of deliveries of 500,000 a week in July. If that happens and the vaccine is used at that rate, not that confident, no one is going to remember our slow start.
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They cannot build houses and now you expect them to be masters of the speedy jab? It will take 18 mths planning for a basic queuing program, choice of coding libraries etc and a further 18mths to roll out a draft for testing…
    
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    May 22, 2021 10:37am
    - rouppe
      
      They couldn’t deliver last year’s influenza vaccine either
      
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      May 22, 2021 10:46am
      - sooty
        
        That’s asumming you turn up for the jab!
        If you don’t it throws everything into disarray!
        Then they will be spinning in ever decreasing circles!
        
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        May 22, 2021 12:51pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Michael Morrah needs to get out more. I was contacted by text to make an appointment. I waited 2 weeks after having a flu shot, made contact by phone and was able to get an appointment for the next day at 1pm to avoid clashing with any unknown work commitments that might have arrived.
  I had been asked to choose which centre suited me and decided on Mt Wellington, arrived 10 minutes early, parking was well organised and things went without a glitch.
  So sorry Tony, nothing to moan about and I would have been happy to wait longer if required. It was relatively easy to pick the essential workers, the health compromised and those over 65.
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:32am
  - Happychappy
    
    Absolute bullshit Brian McDonald I’m over seventy with a serious respiratory problems and have rung to find out when my wife and myself will be vaccinated and was told that there would be no appointments made until some time in June so don’t come with your lies here to make a point.
    
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    May 22, 2021 10:45am
    - Paulus
      
      Us too -both over 80, me with a number of medical points from T2 Diabetes to Heart Disease (with full stents for 15 years) and other minors.
      Had Flu vaccs in April.
      Cannot get a date for Covid Vacc yet but told July probably.
      That I should live so long !
      
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      May 22, 2021 1:43pm
    - JohnStanton
      
      You are the one spreading the bullshit Happychappy. Read my post below that was sent in earlier. I have been contacted by the authorities to take my jab, appointments have been set and will be met. Same story from the six people who dined with me last night, all made appointments and have had/getting the jab. I am also over seventy with serious lung problems. I think you must have dialed the wrong number.
      
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      May 23, 2021 8:22am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Well you’re lucky Brian. My GP’s surgery, which is one of the larger practices in Whanganui, has only just received enough flu vaccine to cover all the over-65’s and chronically ill, so all going well, I’ll get my flu jab next week. Then it’s a wait of at least two weeks for the Covid jab, but my GP’s nurse and her colleagues are completely in the dark as to what’s happening here.
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:28am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I’m in Lower Hutt and my doctor’s surgery has no idea if they’ll be doing the jabbing. Their phone message says don’t even think about it until July.
      In saying that, I know a few people who’ve already received their first jab, but only because they initiated the process.
      
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      May 22, 2021 12:18pm
      - sooty
        
        Shit, Brian. You have work. Privileged or what.
        
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        May 22, 2021 12:53pm
    - Paulus
      
      From RNZ news this morning we were told that from formal investigation with all the DHB’s have referred any question re Vaccs to Dept of Health.
      They do not know what is happening in Socialist Paradise.
      
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      May 22, 2021 1:47pm
    - JohnStanton
      
      Hell, come to Rotorua, I had my flu jab two weeks back. Nurse was very good and brought me right up to date with what happened next with Covid, like wait two weeks and make an appointment etc etc. Covid jab happens tomorrow. Your practice may be large but there is some real incompetence there.
      
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      May 23, 2021 8:27am
  - Prince
    
    Are you…
    a) Over 70′
    b) Maori
    c) On the ‘front line’
    d) An active Labour party member
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:31am
  - MCos
    
    I had a flu jab a couple of weeks ago, my wife yesterday & we are both booked for a covid in a couple of weeks.
    BTW
    Nobody contacted me so I thought I’d be proactive and contact them.
    Also BTW
    We have both been contacted and sent bowel cancer testing paraphernalia; plus my wife is regularly contacted re smear and mammogram tests.
    We have no problems with the local DHB.
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:37pm
- JohnStanton
  
  My experience has been way different to that of Mike Morrah.. A month back I got a notice through manage my health to say that the Covid jab was available to me. I am 77 with COPD so yelled yippee. Rang the 0800 number, was given an appointment time and will have my jab next week. Simple as.
  I think that Mike Morrah is on talk back radio? That straight away puts real doubt on his reporting.
  
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  May 22, 2021 12:21pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Michael Morrah seems to be the only journalist in NZ who actually asks tough questions of this government.
  
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  May 22, 2021 3:15pm
Happychappy

This from the same Three Newshub that has fornicated over the so called brilliance and lies from Labours Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson on their feeble attempts and promises to fix the Housing Crisis.
Newshub- Reid Research Poll shows Kiwis don’t think Government is doing enough to fix Housing Crisis and want prices to fall .
Well this crisis has been happening for the last ten years and Labour went to the public before the 2017 elections promising to fix it and build 100,000 thousand houses in ten years so your years of disappointment says nothing of your cry to Labour to fix the problem.
This was criminal for National according to you Newshub in 2017 but now it’s just a problem that you want the Government to fix and your backing of Labours catch phrase nine years of neglect and investment from National the previous Government and what has happen the same problem with housing and the housing market has quadrupled and not even a thousand houses have been built from the 2017 promises.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/newshub-reid-research-poll-shows-kiwis-don-t-think-government-is-doing-enough-to-fix-housing-crisis-and-want-prices-to-fall.html
When this Labour backed Party by our NZ Media take their blinkers off and fact check their own stories they might want to apologize to the NZ public for not holding this Labour led Government to account and look at how this incompetence Political Party has hoodwinked the voter to keep Labour in power.
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May 22, 2021 8:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Everything Labour touches turns to shit, 100% guaranteed
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:19am
  - oc35
    
    Generally shit to start with
    
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    May 22, 2021 8:31am
    - 3-coil
      
      oc35 (8:31) – yes you’re right, NZLabour members do seem to have a predilection with matters anal.
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:56am
    - redflagged
      
      Two wrongs don’t make a right or a meaningful argument/free pass, let alone solution.
      
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      May 22, 2021 10:41am
  - JibberJabber
    
    The absolute definition of Anti-Midas, the NZ Labour Party and its cartoon minions the NZ Green Party.
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:02am
  - JohnStanton
    
    Bollocks
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    53% still think she is wonnerful !
    and Robertson is cuddely too .
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:49pm
- artemisia
  
  Increases in social and emergency housing numbers are an indicator of what is happening in the wider rental market. Usually numbers are up in the hundreds, and some recent months social housing waiting list numbers up more than a thou. In a month. That has to be a scandal.
  
  Either means private rental numbers or vacancies are dropping, or landlords are much more risk averse. Or both.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Anecdotal I know, but of my multi-property owning mates, every one has net disposed properties over the last three years, and only sold to owner occupiers. This means there are fewer room available for rent as I understand rented homes have higher average occupancy than do owner occupied homes.
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  The media never apologises until they are caught out – BBC Bashir/Princess Diana 15 YEARS later.
  Our are no different other than there are many more of them now to fake everything.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:53am
  - sooty
    
    See he retired just before that report came out.
    Must have got an advance copy!
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:57pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Bloody Journalists, they remind me of Quality Assurance people, they breed among themselves.
      
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      May 22, 2021 2:14pm
- doggone7
  
  Who’s going to apologise to the NZ public for not holding a previous Government to account for not acknowledging there was an ever growing housing crisis?
  
  And that to keep themselves in power they hoodwinked that public, (many happy to be hoodwinked) that they had a “Compressive Housing Plan” which was great for a situation that wasn’t a ‘housing crisis.’
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:12am
  - redflagged
    
    Well not the current lot, they just blame others.
    
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    May 22, 2021 10:46am
mikenmildagain

Happy International Day for Biological Diversity!
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May 22, 2021 8:01am
RockyJ

Here is my pick for how He Puapua will play out.
Jacinda and her acolytes detest conflict. That is why words like “partnership” and “collaboration” resonate with them. That is why they cannot stand up to their Maori caucus or Maori activists.
Faced with the rising tide of outcry to the He Puapua travesty their approach is to downplay it (wheeling in Michael Cullen and that old trout Dame Anne Salmon to tell us it’s not so bad) and to quietly withdraw it.
The cover up is already happening. Government websites like the Internal Affairs on the Three Waters plan are taking down the pages that refer to it. No new initiatives to implement it will happen this term. The ones that have been launched, like the Health reforms, will run their course and fail.
The hope is that by the next election it will be forgotten. In the house Jacinda will continue to wriggle and avoid answering questions on He Puapua.
The Maori caucus will explode in frustration. The edifice will self destruct. I have seen this happen before where I live when progressive liberals and Maori “collaborate”. It ends in tears.
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May 22, 2021 8:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  We can but hope Rocky. Meanwhile, I hope Judith Collins resists media and political pressure to back off on the He Puapua issue. She has another speech this weekend to the Central North Island regional conference.
  
  I hope she also gives mention to the large number of Labour MP’s who declared themselves proudly to be socialists the other night.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Please make sure we get your breathless update on Judith’s latest brilliant address to the faithful.
    
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    May 22, 2021 8:34am
    - David George
      
      You can get the updates free in your email MM. Just sign up here: https://www.national.org.nz/updates
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:40am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yes indeed Tony, and some help from her putative colleagues in National would be a help too !.
    Read this from todays Spectator:
    https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/05/the-fight-for-new-zealand-is-now-underway/
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:44am
- redeye
  
  It looks like woke may come to the rescue (snigger). Or in other words the perpetually offended have become offended by themselves.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/125163200/ka-kite-covid-television-ad-trivialises-mori-traditions-iwi-group-says
  Also mentioned in this article was the cost. 800k to Clemenger BBDO. This government has fixed any poverty that existed in the advertising community. So that’s one.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:35am
  - The Scunner Campbell
    
    Looks like the Spanish Flu is still causing angst among Maori today.
    “This is a national campaign – you would think Māori would play a critical role in it, particularly the largest immunisation programme in our history, [and] when you think about the devastating impact of the Spanish flu on Māori … those hurts are still felt today.”
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:18am
  - kowtow
    
    From the article.
    
    ‘sacred Māori traditions, like the hongi and haka.’
    
    Spare me .
    
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    May 22, 2021 10:16am
  - DeepBlue
    
    The most alarming part of the article is:
    
    ‘In response to these concerns, the Ministry of Health recently committed $3m to a Māori Covid-19 vaccination communications fund to create more iwi-centric communications.’
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:13pm
- yossarian
  
  Don’t you think that Ihuamato had He Puapua fingerprints all over it?
  
  Mate it’s already happening
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:51am
  - DeepBlue
    
    The money for Maori Housing in the budget could well go to building Maori housing on this land.
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:15pm
    - sooty
      
      The ones Fletchers were going to give to elders.
      
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      May 22, 2021 1:00pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Why? Why aren’t they building houses for Chinese, Indians, Europeans, Islanders and Africans with the same money? All the money came from the NZ Taxpayer FFS.
      THIS IS BLATANT RACISM.
      
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      May 22, 2021 2:00pm
- redflagged
  
  Would collude rather than collaborate be a better word for the covert implementation of He Puapua?
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    Call it what you like, it’s racism personified, pure and simple.
    
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    May 22, 2021 2:04pm
    - jon
      
      Nick2..its just like the racist action of the Horizon Regional council in the Manawatu in sending survey forms for the creation of Maori wards on the council only to those on the Maori electoral roll. Non Maori electors if in fact they knew of the proposal were left to make contact with the council to make their own views known. Clearly the council headed by a woman with Green sympathies set out to achieve the result they wanted. Hardly democratic and none of the councillors deserve to be reelected next year. A disgrace.
      
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      May 22, 2021 8:50pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Well jon, as said by Dame Tariana Turia, ‘democracy doesn’t work in NZ because the majority get what they want’. You can’t beat that rationale for achieving minority rule.
        
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        May 23, 2021 8:05am
JibberJabber

https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/05/the-fight-for-new-zealand-is-now-underway/

it has been well described as ‘a masterpiece of deceit’

Incredibly, some former politicians are simply shaking their heads at Jacinda’s supposed ‘naïveté’. This manipulative politician, adept at projecting compassion and well-being, flashing her famous smiles, and talking at great length —while managing to say almost nothing relevant in response to questioning — is dodging accountability by switching to vigorous and indignant Hollywooding, claiming she hasn’t read the document.

Who actually believes her, given that while she claims the report hasn’t found its way to the Cabinet table, and refuses to state her view on its recommendations, her ministers are already implementing some of its communications? Her current ploy is to brush off criticism of this pernicious, fundamentally racist document by accusing its critics of ‘playing politics’. So much for her promise of transparent government.
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May 22, 2021 8:18am
- Cinematic
  
  It’s an extraordinary dose of bad luck that has elevated such a feeble thinker to the rank of PM. Maybe only trumped by the truly dreadful ascent of the most cognitively sluggish Deputy PM in this country’s history.
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:46am
  - Souvlaki
    
    It sure is bad luck ! It reminds me of Peter Sellers last film
    “Being There “…Chauncy the gardener ,a simpleton ends up in the Whitehouse…..similar plot here in a way…unfortunately ours is reality instead of satire !
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:17pm
    - RockyJ
      
      Yes and at the end when Peter Sellers walks on water. Well that will be how our Jacinda exits.
      
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      May 22, 2021 9:05pm
  - jon
    
    The feeble and scared SHEEPLE put her there!!
    
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    May 22, 2021 9:01pm
- Yvette
  
  Adern points out that Key endorsed the Declaration, which lead to He Puapua but when Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples was flown secretly to New York for a speech to the United Nations signing New Zealand up to a declaration on indigenous rights, Sharples said –
  
  8. In moving to support the Declaration, New Zealand both affirms those rights and reaffirms the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system. Those existing frameworks, while they will continue to evolve in accordance with New Zealand’s domestic circumstances, define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the aspirational elements of the Declaration.
  
  9. In particular, where the Declaration sets out aspirations for rights to and restitution of traditionally held land and resources, New Zealand has, through its well-established processes for resolving Treaty claims, developed its own distinct approach.
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3599153/NZ-does-U-turn-on-rights-charter
  
  Basically – New Zealand will stick with the Treaty of Waitangi
  
  Instead of attempting to involve John Key, at a point where New Zealand was the last remaining UN country to agree to acknowledging the Declaration, Ardern needs sill to explain why at the same time –
  
  Labour strongly opposed the declaration, fearing it was too sweeping and labelling it incompatible with New Zealand’s constitutional and legal arrangements and Treaty settlement policy.
  It also feared the creation of two classes of citizenship and said the declaration would give indigenous people veto rights over laws made by Parliament.
  
  What does Ardern believe has changed for her to now disagree with the views of Helen Clark, her mentor?
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:12am
  - oldfella
    
    Now, Yvette, let’s turn to our new, He Poo Poo improved, history curriculum.
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/cartoon-of-the-day-19
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:01am
  - oldfella
    
    Yvette, Don Brash has some thoughts on this apartheid-by-stealth effort from Labour.
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/cartoon-of-the-day-19
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:11am
  - JackRabbit
    
    What does Ardern believe has changed for her to now disagree with the views of Helen Clark, her mentor?
    
    Arrogance.
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:21am
    - lifesgood
      
      But, but, but, I thought Helen Clarke was the PM and Jacinda is just the (not so) pretty face fronting for her. Prove me wrong someone. After all Jacinda cannot answer any simple questions and is totally uninformed. That blooming Heather whatsherface will be dabbling away there too with her steaming witches pot, I’m sure.
      
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      May 22, 2021 12:12pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        lifesgood,
        
        Unfortunately, left leaning motives evolve out of darkness and ignorance, including ignorance of the self. Left leaning are typified by many negative traits, not the least of which is the ego.
        
        When left leaning create a dark protege, they help the protege’s ego develop, after all that intensifies the value of the protege.
        
        But like creating a monster in the lab and giving it life, and trying to make more potent than its creator, the monster eventually sees its creator as weak, and less than itself.
        
        That leads to arrogance and trying to do it “better” than its progenitor. Since a self entitled ego is the main attribute of the monster, it gets out of hand, and in many cases turning on it or shunning its master.
        
        The outcome leads to a self centred leader in Jacinda, or the grotesque little Rumple Stiltsken we see in Greta – A self centred arrogant brat who believes her programming, and who stamps her feet for all the world to see when she does not get her own (indoctrinated) way.
        
        Both exhibit contorted facial expressions and twitches when confronted with points of view that conflict with their hard wired programming. And neither can hold a rational unscripted conversation as the replies and obfuscation responses have not yet been programmed, scripted or rehearsed.
        
        They are literal living automatons, trapped in their own self created hell.
        
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        May 22, 2021 12:48pm
Chris2

The blistering criticism of the BBC concealing for 25 years, the lies, fake documents and hidden agenda of its journalist Martin Bashir regarding the Diana interview makes for fascinating reading and it made me wonder if anyone in the New Zealand media ought to be thinking about their own conduct and how they seek to impose their own narrative on the public.

Are you listening Tova O’Brien?

It’s your legacy, your life-long reputation that you are risking.
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May 22, 2021 8:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I find it a bit difficult to feel sorry for a publicity hungry person ‘tricked’ into an interview where she went on to make sensational claims guaranteed to make her even more famous.
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:46am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I had no time for the tedious bint, but playing devils advocate; Was she trying to raise her profile as a defensive measure against the BBC’s manufactured threat?
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Takes a heck of a long time for the lyre birds to come home to roost though.
  
  But Lord Dyson’s report suggests the corporation’s values and principles were parked to protect its corporate reputation.
  
  The BBC used its press office to deflect difficult questions and stands accused of hostility to staff who sought to blow the whistle on Martin Bashir’s lies.
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57200207
  
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  May 22, 2021 8:59am
- Nickc2
  
  She destroyed any favourable reputation she may have had years ago.
  As for the rest of our notorious journo’s, they would trade their grannies for a snippet of scandal to defame the National and Act parties IMO.
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:20am
- cmm
  
  They’re driven by the rush of power. It’s an addiction.
  
  Like druggies, they do not think past the next hit.
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:25am
- Prince
  
  I’d like to see the full phone question transcript from the latest Newhub poll. It seems someone deliberately structured the questions to get certain results. Is there any way a person can get that info ?
  
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  May 22, 2021 11:41am
  - alloytoo
    
    Ask Tova
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:43pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Check out this. Beyond appalling. Wouldn’t be surprised if it happens here.
  https://youtu.be/2n_A3A_eL-Y
  
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  May 22, 2021 12:05pm
- MCos
  
  Too much fuss is made over the royal family & the British upper classes in general.
  They’re an ordinary, moderately intelligent, gaggle of fawned over troughers.
  Much is made of the Queen opening and shutting stuff and all the rest.
  What do all her kids do except intimidate lesser creatures and live in gilded cages and provide copy for the newspapers?
  We have a Governor General, which is basically a retirement job for some worthy citizen. The sky wouldn’t fall if she cleared her diary and went to Noosa for a month’s holiday.
  
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  May 22, 2021 2:47pm
JibberJabber

Brick Suit.

If a vegan cross-fit enthusiast gets the vaccine, which do they tell you about first?

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May 22, 2021 8:41am
Monique Watson

Hipkins and Ardern weren’t at the head of the queue for Kiwis. Von Der Leyen was at the head of the queue when she got 1.8 billion more doses for the EU to their contract extension in May and that after Brussels stuffed it with AstraZeneca. Why Ardern can’t negotiate a paltry dosage coverage for five million we’ll never know because the agreements are confidential and we seem not to have journalists asking questions.
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May 22, 2021 8:43am
- RockyJ
  
  Absolutely! Did our own government throw us under the bus by saying “ we don’t need it yet”?
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:09pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Yep @RockyJ Fuck knows how New Zealand sucked the rationale for this up. I can’t even go on Facebook anymore and look at my leftie Kiwi friends who bought it, the [ Mod – not on KB ] but the official lie was: “We don’t need it while other countries are dying”! WTF?
    There are so many holes in that argument/smokescreen you could drive a semi truck through it.
    
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    May 22, 2021 2:33pm
Paulus

Tova will be well overseas when she is caught out.
Like all of our media ladies they live for the day in hope they not get being found out and being unable to lie their way out.
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May 22, 2021 8:57am
- Nickc2
  
  Referring to Tova as a lady……FFS, that’s a big stretch of the truth!
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:49am
  - lifesgood
    
    It really bugs me when the cops call someone they have arrested a gentleman. Why can’t they just say man? A crook, no matter how rich or famous is no gentleman.
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:07pm
Jack5

Song of the day, Kiwibloggers …
https://youtu.be/A6c6eUeoa9Q

The words may be easier to follow in this version from Ireland:

https://youtu.be/CxbTGbEvy84

And a bonus joke from Willie: Marijuana won’t kill you – unless a bale of it falls on you.
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May 22, 2021 9:33am
Apropos of the Wet Snow

This story is so emblematic and symptomatic of the parlous state of the nation that no commentary is necessary. A solo mother who believes she is male who has been unemployed for 6 years and has a 2 year old daughter; and a solo mother of six (from 5 months to 16 years). I will acknowledge the gratitude expressed by the latter, but at what point do they recognise that the situation they are in is self-inflicted?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/budget-2021-solo-parents-react-after-government-33billion-welfare-injection/SIZGGCKHPSIL2WMGSIRPYB3N5Q/
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May 22, 2021 9:57am
WaveyDavey

Interesting volte-face on the horizon

“The idea that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a laboratory, and then escaped accidentally…

Yet this possibility was dismissed quite forcefully and from the beginning of the outbreak by prominent virologists.

Now that same lab-leak hypothesis appears to be on the verge of acceptance as the most likely.”

https://unherd.com/2021/05/how-scientists-sacrificed-scepticism/
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May 22, 2021 10:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  Fauci’s grubby little hands are all over this. His actions to covertly fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan are highly likely to be the root cause if this outbreak.
  
  But before the ban went into effect, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) funded some gain-of-function research which, through an intermediary nonprofit and subcontracting arrangement, came to be conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The moratorium was lifted during the Trump administration, apparently at the urging of Anthony Fauci, and a 2019 renewal of the 2014 research grant did include gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses. SARS-CoV-2 exhibits biological signatures consistent with the plan of research laid out in the grant.
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:43pm
Maggie Pie

My mum always used to say…. you can judge the real character of a person by the way they treat animals. I’ve always thort Robbo looked like a nasty fat little shit.

Did you see where the SPCA were turned down in their request for extra budget funding, as this gubmint said they didn’t consider the vital animal welfare inspectorate as… “being a necessary priority”

SPCA boss Andrea Midgen said it was a bitter pill to swallow and it’s simply not good enuff.
Couldn’t agree more. I know where we’d rather see our tax dollars go.
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May 22, 2021 10:09am
- Ruahine
  
  All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others.
  All beneficiaries are equal but some beneficiaries are more equal than others.
  
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  May 22, 2021 11:03am
- jon
  
  Good comment Maggie..i only donate to RSPCA now. As for Robertson YUK!!!
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:17pm
WaveyDavey

Oh look another new tax that isn’t a tax but a “levy”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
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May 22, 2021 10:09am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A levy by a govt is a tax.
  Deceit by a Minister of Finance is unforgivable.
  
  Don’t let Pooh Bah get near unemployment insurance. He can barely spoon custard out of a bowl. He may see this as a new play-toy Fund which he can milk on demand. Public Monies are not his.
  
  NZ already has a reasonably efficient system for job losses and income. Highly paid executives and others have private insurance available without the State messing it up.
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:56am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Robertson is a disgrace. It’s amazing how much time and effort this government expends coming up with new ways to incentivise people not to work.
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:57am
I remember when

Now that the Government have decided to legislate for a Maori Health Authority, can we expect legislation to identify who is a Maori.
How are we going to demonstrate improvements in Maori Health if there is no clear of showing who is, in fact, a Maori.
Do we continue to allow self identification by way of the Census, with no way of knowing for certain whether a person who dies has done this.
Do we continue to use numbers that it is impossible to guarantee are truly representative of the actual situation.
What is the margin of error
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May 22, 2021 10:13am
- greybeard
  
  As I asked a couple of weeks ago on this blog:
  “Just what is a “maori” ?
  If I have 31 bottles of water and mix them with one bottle of wine, do I end up with wine or do I end up with water ?
  Could anyone justify calling the mix “wine” ?
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:42am
- Gulag1917
  
  1/16th will qualify people for help eg student grants.
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:46am
  - Prince
    
    How do you prove the 1/16 ?
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:46am
    - Inandout
      
      Prince, DNA is fairly accurate.
      
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      May 22, 2021 2:26pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori are going to have to be identified by a tatoo showing their ethnic percentage makeup.
  Any new rights are going to have to be limited to their proven ethnic %.
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:59am
  - Gulag1917
    
    1/68th?
    
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    May 22, 2021 11:55am
    - tf78
      
      Gulag, I know a few does that count me in.
      
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      May 22, 2021 1:25pm
  - Paulus
    
    Hear that H2 following the rejection of her and Roche’s paper last December is not entirely enamored with her one time Junior Princess.
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:58pm
- Steve Todd
  
  […], can we expect legislation to identify who is a Maori[?]
  
  Relax, Irw (and greybeard). We already have such legislation.
  
  “Maori” is defined in section 3(1) of the Electoral Act 1993—
  
  Maori means a person of the Maori race of New Zealand; and includes any descendant of such a person[.]
  
  The water/wine mix most certainly is not wine — it is wine-flavoured water — but human beings are not wine, or various mixes thereof; they’re people.
  
  Consequently, a person with 1/32nd Māori blood in them is “a person of the Maori race”, regardless of whether or not he or she chooses to identify as such.
  
  It’s no different to the definition of an Aboriginal or Indigenous person, as—
  
  ‘a person who is a descendant of an indigenous inhabitant of Australia’, or a member or a person ‘of the Aboriginal race of Australia’. (See paragraph 36.13, here: https://www.alrc.gov.au/publication/essentially-yours-the-protection-of-human-genetic-information-in-australia-alrc-report-96/36-kinship-and-identity/legal-definitions-of-aboriginality/#:~:text=These%20statutes%20have%20generally%20defined,the%20Aboriginal%20race%20of%20Australia‘.)
  
  All sorted, to everyone’s satisfaction.
  
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  May 22, 2021 11:57am
  - JackRabbit
    
    So if a New Zealander is 1/32 Maori, 1/16th French, 1/8 Scottish, 1/4 Danish and the rest English, he or she is a Maori?
    
    And that Maori 1/32 excuses all manner of impoverishment, unlawfulness and prejudice that he or she should be given special privileges?
    
    At that rate, anyone that has ever has sex with a Maori should be entitled as well, as it it appears colonisation syndrome spreads like a disease. /sarc
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:16pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It’s not fair without the fractions.
      
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      May 22, 2021 1:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        Steve Todd points out:
        
        Consequently, a person with 1/32nd Maori blood in them is “a person of the Maori race”, regardless of whether or not he or she chooses to identify as such.
        
        And can get priority entry to university medical school.
        
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        May 22, 2021 1:59pm
  - tf78
    
    Steve, that person is very much of ‘other ethnicities’ as well, why do they choose the most ‘rewarding’ one I wonder.
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:27pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      tf78, that was a highly racist comment, so this is just a courtesy response: Because they live in New Zealand — not elsewhere — where Māori are the tangata whenua, and where their ancestors signed the Treaty of Waitangi.
      
      And because they’re entitled to benefits such as “priority entry to [a] university medical school”, because successive governments conferred such entitlements on them.
      
      Many Māori have English, Scottish, Irish, Croatian, etc., blood in them. How do you propose they take advantage of any one or more of those ethnicities, over their Māori ethnicity?
      
      Are there scholarships, or other beneficial entitlements for people who can demonstrate they have English, Scottish, Irish, Croatian, etc., blood in them? I haven’t heard of any.
      
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      May 22, 2021 3:05pm
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    “Maori means a person of the Maori race of New Zealand; and includes any descendant of such a person”
    
    Sorry Steve, but like many terms found in the interpretation section (not the definition section) of statutes, all this effectively tells us is that “A Maori is a Maori.” Not very helpful because it is just a tautology and tells us nothing about the essence of a thing, which is the function of a definition. All this does is beg the further question “what is the Maori race of New Zealand?”
    
    So nothing is “sorted, to everyone’s satisfaction.”
    
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    May 22, 2021 4:30pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Thanks for your response, Snowy.
      
      The Electoral Act definition is good enough as the starting point for determining the Māori Electoral Population. I see no reason why it can’t be used for Māori Health Authority purposes.
      
      But, there is more to being Māori than someone simply declaring themselves to be Māori.
      
      Some years ago now, the Ministry of Social Development commissioned a paper titled, “The Problem of Defining an Ethnic Group for Public Policy: Who is Māori and Why Does it Matter?” (See https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/journals-and-magazines/social-policy-journal/spj23/23problem-of-defining-an-ethnic-group-for-public-policy-who-is-maori-and-why-does-it-matter-p86-108.html.)
      
      One take from this paper is the Abstract.
      
      Another take is from the section titled, “Māori: A Case Study for Defining an Indigenous Population”—
      
      […], most statutes use ancestry criteria to define who is a Māori. The Māori Land Act, and numerous other statutes, define Māori as “a person of the Māori race and includes any descendant”. Only persons of Māori descent can enrol in a Māori electorate to vote for candidates to occupy Māori seats in Parliament, or lodge a claim with the Waitangi Tribunal. Ancestry is the closest concept to whakapapa (genealogy), which has customarily underpinned any claim to being Māori. As Stevenson (2004) has argued, membership in a cultural group requires a mandate for inclusion, and for Māori this is a Māori ancestor. Thus, ancestry is often treated as an objective basis for identity and serves a gatekeeping function, albeit that the process of recalling ancestry has subjective elements (Waters 1990).
      
      A third take, is from the final section, titled “Discussion”—
      
      As this paper has shown, there are several ways to define who is Māori. Statutory definitions almost always rely on descent while official statistics use self-identified ethnic affiliation. I have argued that any definition of Māori ought to include both ancestry and ethnicity. Persons of Māori descent who do not identify as Māori should not be counted as Māori for most general policy and legal purposes. They are New Zealanders of Māori ancestry, as distinct from persons who consider themselves to be culturally Māori.
      
      The Electoral Act definition could be played around with, for MHA purposes, if deemed necessary (which, to me, is doubtful), but the idea of getting into “fractions”, is ludicrous.
      
      Māori know who they are. The Right is simply trying to create a problem where none exists.
      
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      May 22, 2021 6:28pm
- Rich Prick
  
  What if we all transition to Maori? I’ve always thought I was born with the wrong skin. Hey if it’s good enough for …
  
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  May 22, 2021 2:51pm
Fletch

Did anyone see the report of Labour MP’s bragging in the House yesterday about being Socialists? It’s recorded in Hansard –

KIERAN McANULTY: Yes, I am a socialist and I’m proud of it. Yeah—there you go. [Applause] Thank you very much. Bring it on, and I’m very proud to say to the good people of the Wairarapa that they elected a proud socialist as their MP. I say to the Hon David Bennett they were very happy to elect a socialist in Hamilton East as well—and I know it hurts him. I know it hurts him, and I’d say that he may as well be a socialist, because his face is as red as a socialist, I can say that right now. Madam Speaker, I commend this bill to the House.

Others, including Angie Warren-Clark, Duncan Webb, Deborah Russell, Anna Lorck, etc also chimed in to proclaim their socialism and how it was a great thing….

eg, Angie Warren-Clark –

Oh, what a pleasure it is to speak after my colleague, my comrade, Keiran McAnulty..
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May 22, 2021 10:26am
- adamsmith1922
  
  Some thoughts in this area https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2021/05/22/the-intolerance-of-the-progressives-leading-to-oppression-unless-we-stand-up-to-them-updated-for-recent-developments-in-nz/
  
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  May 22, 2021 10:55am
  - Steve Todd
    
    adam, if I want to read your thoughts, in this or any other area, I’ll go to your blogsite. You don’t need to come to me.
    
    Stop your ‘link-whoring’!
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ha ha. Sparked by this intelligent contribution:
  
  Hon David Bennett: You’re a communist.
  
  When forced to withdraw, Bennett’s colleague contributed:
  
  Hon Scott Simpson: He’s a socialist.
  
  Which led to McAnulty’s comments. Of course, all the National Party MPs are socialists too, they just don’t embrace the concept.
  
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  May 22, 2021 11:19am
- Prince
  
  I can assure you McAnulty must have come late to socialism. His conduct at the TAB, his previous employer, was very much along capitalist lines.
  
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  May 22, 2021 11:48am
- JackRabbit
  
  They are only bragging about it because they are Chardonnay socialists who do not understand what fundamental socialism is: Theft dressed up in colourful niceties to disguise the underpinning nature of violation of the right to life, liberty and fruits of one’s labour.
  
  And those Chardonnay socialists that promote it, are nothing more than idiots who believe “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need”.
  
  And the hidden dark forces that push and inspire the Chardonnay socialists are robber barons who seek to gain by dividing and conquering. And it has been that way for eons.
  
  Chardonnay socialists are intellectually poor because they have no soul, and cannot learn from fables, mythology, and even some religious stories, that warn us of the dark predators in our history and our midst. They would not see the the mythical “snake in the garden of Eden” if it came up and offered them an apple (belonging to someone else).
  
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  May 22, 2021 12:25pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    Jack: please layoff dissing Chardonnay. It is the finest of white wines, displaying and embodying the characteristics of everything any socialist does not have.
    
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    May 22, 2021 12:43pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Chardonnay socialist: “A person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle contrary to their beliefs.”
      
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      May 22, 2021 12:59pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      OK, out of respect of your wine tastes, what about Marijuana Marxist, Fabian Fetishists, or Caviar Communists?
      
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      May 22, 2021 1:26pm
    - Paulus
      
      This year’s wine crop is going to be exceptionally good tell the Socialists.
      
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      May 22, 2021 2:01pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I have to say that while Robbo was parroting his lefty apology for a budget Duncan Webb behind him was looking even more gormless than usual.
  
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  May 22, 2021 12:48pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Many many years ago, when I was quite young, before Webb was prominent on the political scene, I had the misfortune of engaging in a political discussion with him. Actually it was more him trying to engage me than me engage him.
    
    There was no logic to his conversation, and the more I questioned his ideas, the worse he become, the more emotive and illogical he became, and the more I felt the need to remove myself, which was difficult because he appeared to not want to let me go.
    
    As I walked away, I felt like a fly that had narrowly escaped a spider and its Web. (no pun intended ;).
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:12pm
oldfella

Maggie, if Robbo is, to quote you, a ‘nasty FAT little shit’ maybe some of our tax dollars should go on some kind of stomach stapling op. Then he’s just be a nasty little shit.
That op worked for Paula, and Turia, and David Lange, and according to something you said the other day, it was why you thought Andrew Saville was off work for so long, (although I’ve heard his long and unexplained absence was more of a Tony Veitch situation).
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May 22, 2021 10:28am
- JackRabbit
  
  …maybe some of our tax dollars should go on some kind of ~~stomach~~ public wallet stapling op.
  
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  May 22, 2021 12:31pm
fightingtemeraire

Who is Maori??

With 200 years of intermarriage between Maori and immigrants there wont be many families in NZ , apart from newcomers since WW 2) who havent got some Maori blood in their vains.
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May 22, 2021 10:33am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125215769/budget-2021-the-oliver-twist-cartoon–how-jacinda-ardern-remembers-the-mother-of-all-budgets
More lies from the PM.
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May 22, 2021 10:38am
- Paulus
  
  How old was Cindy when Ruth Richardson was Finance Minister ? – still in nappies but a brilliant baby at the time.
  
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  May 22, 2021 2:03pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    With a chip on her shoulder?
    
    https://glasbergen.b-cdn.net/wp-content/gallery/baby-cartoons/cheering.gif
    
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    May 22, 2021 3:02pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    No doubt, you would oppose, to this day, the Black Budget of 1958, Paulus. Why can’t Jacinda oppose the so-called “Mother of all Budgets”, of 1991. You were 20 in 1958; she was nearly five in 1991. So what?
    
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    May 22, 2021 3:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Todd. In 1991 she was 11, not 5. Born 1980, so 41 very soon. You made a mistake with numbers
      
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      May 22, 2021 4:17pm
- DeepBlue
  
  More likely she studied political cartoons during her Communications degree or saw it on the walls of the Blackball Hall.
  
  And has simply misplaced the memory. //
  
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  May 22, 2021 3:25pm
oldfella

For something really different, a preview (with videos of the songs) of the upcoming Eurovision Song Contest. Yes, it’s baaack! 🙂
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/21/the-breitbart-guide-to-the-best-and-worst-of-eurovision-2021/
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May 22, 2021 11:33am
lazza

Quote above: “Of course, all the National Party MPs are socialists too, they just don’t embrace the concept”.

What a damn stupid thing to say.

Most sane observers would categorise the Nats as Conservative-Liberal (in attitude and culture with individual responsibility to the fore) …. contrasted with Labour as Socialists (Classic def’n: keen on redistributing rather than creating wealth).

Back in your box Buddy
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May 22, 2021 11:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Please feel free to name any measure passed by a national government in the last 50 years that reversed any socialist policy.
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:28pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Tax cuts.
    
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    May 22, 2021 3:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yeah, that really rolled back to socialisation of health and education.
      
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      May 22, 2021 5:14pm
  - rouppe
    
    Tax cuts in 2009 and 2010
    
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    May 22, 2021 4:55pm
  - rouppe
    
    The introduction of health measures and targets for DHB’s, which reverse Labour’s “throw money at ’em” approach.
    
    Which Labour has now introduced again with the current budget
    
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    May 22, 2021 4:59pm
  - rouppe
    
    The 2007 changes that meant 15 to 19 year olds couldn’t go straight on to the dole they had to be in training or work.
    
    Rather than the “throw money at ’em” approach of Labour
    
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    May 22, 2021 5:06pm
oldfella

Love those Aussies. 🙂
Defence Minister Peter Dutton has ordered his department and serving military personnel to stop pursuing a “woke agenda” after Defence held morning teas where staff wore rainbow clothing to mark the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia, Interphobia and Transphobia.
Mr Dutton, who has vowed to shake up his department and refocus on its core mission, told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age he ordered Defence Force Chief Angus Campbell and Secretary Greg Moriarty on Friday to issue a note ending events with “particular clothes in celebration”.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/we-are-not-pursuing-a-woke-agenda-dutton-bans-special-morning-teas-at-defence-after-idahobit-20210521-p57u2g.html
I wonder if someone could do this to our woke cops?
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May 22, 2021 11:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  A good move, but could be executed more accurately: The military have dress uniforms that are pressed for celebrations. And no more Santa suits 🙂
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:28pm
- JackRabbit
  
  You will find that the majority of those that celebrate “…the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia, Interphobia and Transphobia.” suffer in part or full from “HeterosexualPhobia”, “MonogamyPhobia”, and “BodyAcceptancePhobia”.
  
  If you could talk to mice they would probably prefer to be born cats, and if you could talk to cats, they would probably like to be born dogs.
  
  All things come to those who wait. Maybe next lifetime you will be born into the opposite sex. In the meantime, accept the body you were born into, Grasshopper.
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:48pm
- jon
  
  Oldfella..good on Dutton..the left hate him of course..also i suspect a lot of gays arent into this woke crap and certainly think rainbow crossings are patronising crap!!
  
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  May 22, 2021 9:44pm
oldfella

Most parents already know this simple truth from observing their own kids at play.
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For decades, studies have shown that boys and girls generally prefer playing with toys typically associated with their biological sex: toy trucks for boys and dolls for girls, to give a rough example.
These results have remained remarkably stable over the past 50 years, according to a 2020 meta-analysis of research on gender differences in toy preferences.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/05/fifty-years-of-leftist-social-tinkering-fails-childrens-toy-preferences-remain-associated-with-their-biological-sex/
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May 22, 2021 12:06pm
ABS4EVA

Just Letting you know

Europeans of the Ice age were
Highly skilled and incredibly intelligent.

Otherwise they could not have survived.

Why are these 32 symbols found in caves all over Europe | Genevieve von Petzinger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJnEQCMA5Sg

Why?

That is easy they had a graphic proto alphabet
and visual system.

To Solve what problems they needed to.
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May 22, 2021 12:33pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  2 down ticks from Anti White Marxists
  
  To live in European Areas reality is you have to work like Europeans hard and smart
  
  Winter is coming
  
  if you are not prepared for it YOU WILL DIE
  
  It is long cold and BRUTAL
  
  Look at this LUNACY?
  
  Sending Refugees to Freezing Europe
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LKXXoTu-KM
  
  Did no one from the left
  tell them it is Freezing?
  
  If systems break down heating power etc
  not one or 2 people die
  
  PEOPLE DIE IN THEIR THOUSANDS
  
  European peoples methods are a response to
  the issues they face
  
  COLD and Idiots attempting to Enslave them and Failing
  
  The Slave System was developed into
  COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM
  
  now with tech they are creating
  
  THE HIGH TECH GLOBAL GULAG
  
  Only one group of people know this
  and stand in their way
  
  …..
  
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  May 22, 2021 7:19pm
Maggie Pie

And FAB to hear ‘Manic Marty’ back on ZB this arvo!

If it had of been NewsHub, they’d have put those two wokesters ‘Sigh & Fill’ on 5 days a week instead of four 🙁
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May 22, 2021 12:35pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Martin Devlin as the new Tony Veitch.
  
  Great, that’s all we need.
  
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  May 22, 2021 12:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Absolutely NO comparison!!
    Everybody knows TV was a total knob.
    One of the girls from tennis moves in the same circles as Devs…..she reckons he’s sex on a stik.
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:24pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      He’s heading down a rabbit hole. Expect worse infractions to come.
      
      A shame.
      
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      May 22, 2021 2:13pm
oldfella

Information from BOPDHB re Covid vaccine rollouts.
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Coming soon
• Those aged under 65 years with a relevant underlying health condition or disability (or carers of those with a disability), and pregnant people

I think they mean women
Bloody hell! Woke stupidity knows no limits.
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May 22, 2021 12:35pm
- Steve Todd
  
  I think they mean women[.]
  
  No, I think they mean pregnant women.
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:04pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Perhaps, and I’m trying to be generous here they are referring to the couple collectively, Afterall pregnancy is probably a good indication of a lack of social distancing.
    
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    May 22, 2021 1:52pm
  - kevn
    
    @SteveT… add, gals who might be planning to get pregnant should avoid the ‘vaccine’ as well..
    
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    May 22, 2021 2:44pm
- MCos
  
  Are you suggesting women aren’t people?
  
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  May 22, 2021 2:55pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Actually it should be ‘… or are pregnant.’
  
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  May 22, 2021 3:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Covid-19 or Not?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/coronavirus-some-probable-covid-19-nz-cases-probably-not-covid-19-at-all-study.html
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May 22, 2021 1:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Covid or not? We will never know with the current bunch of liars
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:45pm
- krazykiwi
  
  If you want it to be COVID-19, just get a high (28+) Ct count PCR kit. A perfectly healthy person who recovered from a cold last month will register as +ve.
  
  If there’s no PCR test kit handy just use a ouija board. It will be similarly accurate
  
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  May 22, 2021 1:54pm
Rusty

So Martin Bashir was indirectly responsible for princess Di’s mental decline and eventual death?

Prince Harry thinks so but William didn’t go that far.

Hadn’t Di already separated from Charles in 1992 and wasn’t it a well known fact she was having affairs just like Charles before the 95 interview?

Of course Bashir/BBC manipulated the 95 interview but to say they were kind of responsible for Di’s fate is over the top.
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May 22, 2021 1:37pm
- lifesgood
  
  Prince Harry is seriously mentally ill. He needs help but going to some sort of Californian new age quack, as he appears to be doing, won’t help him one little bit. He is becoming more and more delusional, aided and abetted by his narcissistic wife. What absolute rot to say Diana was pilloried for having a coloured man as a boyfriend. We all know where that little gem came from. It is really sad but I’ve had an absolute gutsful of him.
  
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  May 22, 2021 2:37pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Who was that coloured man? She wasn’t exactly a pillar of virtue IMO.
    
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    May 22, 2021 2:56pm
  - greybeard
    
    I know this may seem a bit far-fetched, but this whole business involving Harry and Meghan seems to be contrived, and if so may have a purpose.
    
    Harry as a 12-year old suffered the violent , sudden and tragic loss of his mother , the fantastically popular Princess Diana. A mighty sad event for anyone, of any age.
    
    He then had to endure years of speculation regarding her relationship with Charles, and her reported relationships with other men , especially the one who is reputed to be his actual father, James Hewitt.
    
    The worst thing he and his brother William had to endure were the rumours regarding the possible involvement of the senior members of the Royal Family in the calculated death of his mother, due to her relationship with Middle Eastern Islamic tycoons of doubtful character.
    
    What if Harry decided to exact revenge for this in a most apposite way: before this happened probably the most infamous event regarding the Royal Family was the abdication of King Edward VIII when he chose Wallis Simpson over the Monarchy.
    For love.
    
    Wallis Simpson, divorced more than once, American, high-society profile.
    Meghan Markle: divorced, part-Black American, film-star celebrity.
    Harry gets his revenge and Meghan gets a lifetime of publicity.
    
    Too much of a coincidence for me.
    
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    May 22, 2021 4:14pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Meghan Markle: divorced, part-Black American, film-star celebrity.
      Harry gets his revenge and Meghan gets a lifetime of publicity.
      
      Oh, dear! What a load of nonsense.
      
      Keep interviewing your typewriter, greybeard.
      
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      May 22, 2021 6:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The BBC has known of Bashir’s fraud for 25 years.
  Quite a few folks have lost their jobs trying to find out why the BBC played cover-up all this time.
  
  https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/victims-of-bbc-smear-campaign-demand-more-than-generic-apology-over-diana-interview-scandal-20210521-p57u5e.html
  
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  May 22, 2021 3:38pm
- rouppe
  
  Weeeellll…
  
  If you’re constantly fed lies, and are being driven down the road of paranoia, and then a “trusted institution” puts “evidence” in front of you that amplifies that, I think you can put some blame on that institution…
  
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  May 22, 2021 4:45pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125205643/grant-robertsons-budget-aimed-squarely-at-middle-new-zealand

Such a load of nonsense.
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May 22, 2021 1:51pm
- kowtow
  
  yer , if Luke malpas thinks that’s a middle class budget , then he’s either a complete and utter dick head or he’s singing for his supper.
  
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  May 22, 2021 2:52pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Prince Harry has revealed that baby Archie’s first words were…”Grandma Diana”

AND

Hazza has told the Daily Mail, that Meghan never killed herself…..”because she told him she didn’t want him to lose another woman in his life”

Honestly…you couldn’t make this sh*t up.
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May 22, 2021 4:12pm
- lifesgood
  
  It’s hilarious, isn’t it? What a load of baloney. Does anyone believe they were Archie’s first words? Seriously? All babies babble mum mum mum or dad dad dad to start with. Babies cannot say Grandma. And she never, ever, thought of killing herself, she’s too much of a narcissist for that. You are right, it is sh*t.
  
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  May 22, 2021 4:40pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… harry has turned into something else. Media puppet maybe? Someone is pulling his strings…
  I always thought William and harry would have been fun to have a beer with.
  Now, William yes, harry, nah.
  
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  May 22, 2021 5:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Death of America. Make of it what you like. Where does NZ stand today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxBfABd7Zi0
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May 22, 2021 4:54pm
- [email protected]
  
  Hi Steve,
  
  Thank you for that educational link. I really learned something important.
  
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  May 22, 2021 7:13pm
- MCos
  
  The US is a Federal Constitution Republic.
  NZ is a Constitution Monachy.
  Both countries are Liberal Democracies.
  
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  May 22, 2021 11:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something different. My Partner is 23% coconut according to a DNA test (adopted). Pacific Island but she loves the term ‘coconut’
She also loves the Hula.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKkv830Uato
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May 22, 2021 5:18pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-forgotten-children-of-maui-lane-wilcken/book/9781492768685.html
  
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  May 22, 2021 7:38pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sport/125218604/black-ferns-sevens-down-australia-at-eden-park-to-go-21-up
Just imagine how much better the Black Ferns would be if they had some actual women in the team.
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May 22, 2021 6:20pm
graham

Good old Stuff, pointless virtue-signalling.

I refuse to log onto their website – I simply cannot see the point of having to Google some Maori term to understand an article, when they could quite simply just print the English interpretation next to it; and I object to essentially being lectured constantly about how I’m racist and so were my ancestors – but we receive the local rag “Rodney Times” which is published by Stuff.

So I’m flicking through it, and see an article headed “Roaming stoats hit tieke population”. Huh? What on earth is a tieke, I wonder?

So I’ve had to quickly scan through the article – not actually reading it or comprehending it – without knowing what on earth it’s actually talking about, before FINALLY discovering what a “tieke” actually is (it’s what you and I know as the North Island saddleback), and then – with that vital piece of information, which is necessary to get an idea of the context – I would have to start from the beginning of the article again in order to actually understand it. Which I can’t be bothered doing, so the article will remain undigested.

Why do they do this? It’s pointless. It makes no sense. Stuff could easily have printed the translation right at the beginning of the article – to give readers this vital context – and then continued to use the word “tieke” throughout the article if they wished. Why wait until half-way through?

Why do this, when publishing an article in the local community newspaper where, I foolishly assumed, the primary purpose is to INFORM readers? If people see an article that they really don’t know what it’s about, then it seems to me that Stuff have failed Journalism 101 which I figured was to INFORM and COMMUNICATE.

It’s just virtue-signalling, plain and simple. Providing a translation right at the beginning would be simple, and probably encourage people to read the entire article. But by insisting on using only the word “tieke” for the first half of the article, it puts people off.
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May 22, 2021 8:44pm
Nostradamus

Pharmachick:

I don’t know if you’re reading this thread in your timezone, but if you are, I’d appreciate your professional opinion on this article:

Queensland researchers and a US team have developed an antiviral therapy that has killed off the COVID-19 viral load in infected mice by 99.9 per cent.
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They used a “next-generation” viral approach using gene-silencing RNA technology to attack the virus genome directly, which stops the virus spreading.

“It causes the genome to be destroyed and the virus can’t grow anymore — so we inject the nanoparticles and they go and find the virus and destroy it just like a heat-seeking missile,” Professor McMillan said. “This is the first time we have been able to package this up as a particle, send it through the blood stream to attack the virus. It travels to the lungs and it will actually enter all the lung cells, but only in the lung cells with the virus will it destroy — normal cells are completely unharmed by this treatment.”

Is this a promising development, or is it too early to say?
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May 22, 2021 8:53pm
ABS4EVA

The British testing their Nuke on Australians
and New Zealanders like Guinea PIGS

Atomic Confessions

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x33qsaj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GuQMeOMowQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nuclear_tests_at_Maralinga

Three tests were conducted in this series: Tadje (0.93 kilotons of TNT (3.9 TJ), Biak 5.67 kilotons of TNT (23.7 TJ) and Taranaki 26.6 kilotons of TNT (111 TJ). The first two were conducted from towers, while the last was suspended from balloons.

Taranaki 26.6 kilotons from a Baloon
was so the Fall out could
REACH TARANAKI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nuclear_tests_at_Maralinga#Taranaki

Maybe Prince Harry and Meghan markle can come
Down Under with Oprah and clean up the MESS

The Body Snatching after the tests to test human bones is the best bit

The body snatchers
Sydney Morning Herald
June 9, 2001

Evidence that thousands of dead babies were used to measure fallout from nuclear tests makes chilling reading, Deborah Smith reports.

https://www.foe.org.au/anti-nuclear/issues/oz/britbombs/bs#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20nuclear%20safety,was%20also%20done%20in%20Australia.

With Friends like the Brits
Who needs Enemies
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