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mandk

School in Napier shuts out kids for two days, so gangsters can have funeral for one of their low life confederates.

And Maori wonder why they are the bottom of the heap.
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May 29, 2021 8:03am
- Gravelroad
  
  According to news report, a lot of the children/whanau were related to the deceased.
  That being the case, most of them would have been absent from school anyway whilst attending the 2-4 day tangi somewhere else.
  Whether it is appropriate for a public school to host a gathering of this kind is another matter.
  Will look forward to the spin from the Min of Ed – no doubt scripted by the parliamentary Labour Party propaganda section.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:47am
  - crikey
    
    Presumably the school will be required to remain open for an extra two days to meet their obligation of being open for a specified number of half-day in the calendar year.
    
    What’s the likelihood the Ministry of Education won’t enforce that?
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Media News Reports you mention have probably been written by Spin Doctors in the PM’s office so I wouldn’t give them any oxygen. They’ve had a couple of days to come up with such garbage.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:06pm
    - BeeJay
      
      Downtick by mistake! Fingers too fat ?
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:03pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    the question should be, then why was this not held at the local Marae
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:14pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Probably hadn’t been painted yet
      
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      May 30, 2021 6:34am
  - Prince
    
    179 pupils. How many were related ?
    
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    May 29, 2021 1:33pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I assume the Children’s commissioner was the Chief Guest and Maramaramarama was the MC??
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:25am
- pdm
  
  Said school is actually just outside of Flaxmere – some distance from Napier.
  
  Still I agree with what you say.
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:06pm
artemisia

Steven Joyce in the Herald today. Paywalled but the headline says it all:

Council spending – a bottomless pit in desperate need of a plug

Not just about Wellington, but the capital does get a special mention, and not in a good way.

In some other parts of the country, notably Wellington, the need for investment in water infrastructure has been ignored for decades. I’ve personally seen papers going back 10 years about the list of projects required in Wellington, as successive councils used any excuse to try and get central government to subsidise their negligence, rather than rein in their spending in other areas. Over that time Wellington has spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars on nice-to-have above-ground projects in preference to tackling this crucial issue.

Negligence. Yet we keep voting them in. There must be fiscal conservatives out there who could or would stand with a support structure behind them.
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May 29, 2021 8:04am
- Bob
  
  Yet we keep voting them in…
  
  WE !!!
  no, you or they vote them in.
  I certainly don’t.
  Nearly all the councils in NZ, certainly the Urban councils are Labour dominated, that is why the infrastructure is failing, there is now forward planning and the administrative inefficiency ..(PRODUCTIVITY) .. so poor.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:11am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Until the gutless National party decides to take local body elections seriously, the councils will be dominated by the socialists aka Labour and the commies aka Toxic Greens.
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:26am
  - MCos
    
    You’re free to stand. If your rhetoric on this forum is anything to go by you should top the polling with ease.
    BTW
    At the time of the last local body election in my ward of Manukau three candidates stood for two places. Two were Labour PI and the other bloke was a Communist pakeha. (There is a distinction!) The two Labour people picked up around 19,000 votes each & the Communist 5000.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:46pm
- Southtop2
  
  I will say it again:
  1. Once the 2002 Local Government Act was passed by Auntie Helen it opened the door to fanciful projects rather than what the Councils are there for.
  Quite a clever piece of legislation as it shifts a large amount of taxation away from central government.
  Key & Co should have repealed this crap and ensured that councils focus on roads, rubbish, water and some amenities not other crap like cycle ways and climate change.
  With this legislation in place it doesn’t matter whether you have one or 10 councils in a region they will continue on the current path i.e. nothing can be done until someone has the kahunas to repeal this crap.
  2. I believe that the Higher Salaries Commission determines the pay for Council CEOs (happy to be corrected). However if this is the case it incentivises CEOs to expand their empires, more staff, more responsibilities more pay.
  3. What the councillors are paid incentivises muppets to stand – too low
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:03pm
mikenmildagain

Happy International Day of United Nations Peacekeepers!
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May 29, 2021 8:09am
- lilman
  
  Go F#@k yourself,regards, Rwanda.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:23am
  - rouppe
    
    And Bosnia
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:09am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Also, Sarajevo
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:22am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Hey didn’t you get the world’s greatest international humanitarian civil rights lawyer to prosecute the hell out of those despicable Rwandan war criminals?
    
    Oh, that’s right…
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:08pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Haiti says same, and can we have a bit of media; assistance to manage the Cholera you brought in as well ?
    
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    May 29, 2021 6:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Will they keep the peace here? China warns Aus.
  https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-warns-australias-military-weak-will-be-first-hit-any-war-western-alliance
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:52am
  - Don Beckett
    
    China has been doing a lot of sabre rattling recently, and is particularly belligerent toward Australia. They cannot be trusted – we should be taking steps to decrease our reliance on them as a trading partner, and keep them out of our universities & businesses, and stop selling our land to them.
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:59am
- snowy
  
  You support rapists mikey?
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:57am
- oldfella
  
  Mike, are they really worth celebrating?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_by_UN_peacekeepers
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Interesting that the comments in reply are uniformly critical of UN peacekeeping. Typical of the Kiwiblog concentration on anything negative and dismissal of the greater good.
  
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  May 29, 2021 4:19pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    What greater good???
    List please, since the Korean War, positive results from any UN military action and peace keeping.
    
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    May 29, 2021 5:00pm
    - Mike
      
      Really? You want me to list the dozens of successful UN missions?
      
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      May 29, 2021 5:30pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Please do !
        
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        May 29, 2021 6:10pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Yes…
        But I doubt you can name a handful
        That didn’t include
        Sexual misconduct
        Criminal behaviour
        Inaction in the face of violence
        Failure to deploy peace keepers in the face war and the prevention of war.
        
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        May 29, 2021 6:23pm
  - ngatimozart
    
    A lot of people don’t understand the restrictions that UN peacekeeping forces operate under because they are formallyandprecisely detailed in their Rules Of Engagement. In some places they are unarmed and regardless of whether tthe peacekeepers are armed or not, it is quite a dangerous mission, more dangerous than participating in open combat. They do not have heavy weapons, air or naval support, or an armoured division behind them, supporting them, yet they may be facing armoured forces supported by artillery and air support, against which they have no defence. That’s why I hold those personnel who participate in peacekeeping missions in the highest respect. How many here would have the guts to do that job? Very few I think. All of the NZDF personnel who go on UN peacekeeping deployments are volunteers.
    
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    May 29, 2021 7:36pm
Paulus Gnome

Sorta misses the zap when no posts are up at 8.15 indicating all is well with world, everyone having a lie in, or some are asleep at the wheel over than the government.
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May 29, 2021 8:16am
RockyJ

Announcing the winners of the Kiwiblog Commenter of the Year Award.
The judges have to say this year there have been a record number of outstanding contributors.

Runners up are:
Maggie Pie
David Garrett
Steve Otto(North Shore)
Benedict Yu

Before we announce the winners we need to recognise the Troll Cup winners who are:
Brian McDonald and Mikenmildagain! Keep it up boys, we love the humour.

And, the award for the most creative nom de plume goes to…. ta dah…
Fidel Cashflow. Yay.

Finally, the co-winners of the prestigious Kelvin Davis award for commenting excellence goes to…. (drum roll)
Tony Stuart and Maggy Wassilieff!!!

Thank you to all who took part. If you didn’t get a mention never mind, this is 2021 and we are all winners!
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May 29, 2021 8:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You’re far too kind Rocky 😀
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:03am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Yes, he is Tony, same comments day after day saying who should resign and what the next meeting will achieve are boring.
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:48am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No one is forcing you to read them Brian. If they trigger you that much, just scroll on by 😀
      
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      May 29, 2021 11:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dear RockyJ,
  I can confirm your appointment to a Directorship of Maggles Enterprises, Kaiti Mall.
  Your cheque is in the post.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Ah, sending the cheques with the certainty that the bank wont honour them. That is Island Bay girl smarts ?
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      My formative years were in Castlecliff…
      There wasn’t too much I needed to pick up from the IB Mafiosa… though the IB Labour Party members were good friends.
      
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      May 29, 2021 10:53am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Ah, Castlecliff. We lived in Cornfoot Street for nine years before our most recent move, went to church there, and I have played many rounds at Castlecliff Golf Club.
        
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        May 29, 2021 11:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’m flattered ??
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:12am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    You’re actually one on the list that can be objective and not waving the same old flags and obsessions every day. I’m not sure but you might even take a day off now and then.
    Without a doubt, possibly the most Government experienced and informed commentator on here would be Wayne Mapp.
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wow, how about that?
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:14am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    How about this Steve:
    https://medium.com/politically-speaking/arizonas-recount-has-located-serious-discrepancies-e8da14994a27
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Thanks – co winner of the Troll Cup
      
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      May 29, 2021 11:13am
- artemisia
  
  Personally a big fan of Maggie and Maggy. Though I have this vague notion that Maggie Pie is actually building a persona for the next Great New Zealand novel. Put me down for a copy.
  
  Couple of others whose opinions I appreciate – Pharmachick and peterwn.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:35am
  - Pharmachick
    
    ! Thanks, very unexpected.
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You know your stuff. Thanks for the email about suxamethonium
      
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      May 29, 2021 1:43pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Anytime – you know how to find me if you want.
        A
        
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        May 29, 2021 1:50pm
    - artemisia
      
      Shouldn’t be unexpected. Don’t you know you are a KB gem?
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:25pm
  - EssenX
    
    Agreed. pharmachick should have her own blog in her own right. cmm also posts some good technical stuff from time to time.
    
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    May 29, 2021 1:04pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      I have no time for my own Blog, Super grateful for DPF providing me a place to rant/vent/opine.
      
      For those of you that know what timezone I’m in (PST) you’ll probably note I post mostly later in the afternoons/evenings – also to align with NZT. But I’m usually still working, 9-5 doesn’t work with what I do.
      
      Really you guys, I’ve been convinced I’m kinda ranting into the wind on this blog (I think Ive been here on-and-off since ~2009). You r collective kindness has made my week. Thank you.
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:08pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  RockyJ bro – I am so happy you didn’t select me as the worst commentator of Kiwiblog.
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:29am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Rigged!
  
  Suspect RockyJ has been bought and paid for like the New Zealand media.
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who paid? //
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:49pm
    - Thought Criminal
      
      It’s taxpayers usually isn’t it?
      
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      May 29, 2021 3:46pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Blast, I voted for SCS for troll of the year !
  
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  May 29, 2021 6:10pm
Scott

Something you’ll never hear from the mainstream media is the corruption of Joe Biden. Basically the way it works is that bribes to Joe Biden are not paid to him directly but were paid to his son Hunter Biden.
New source material has revealed that Hunter Biden was paid $1 million to sit on the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma. Hunter Biden had no energy experience and no experience in the Ukraine and does not speak Ukrainian. Why was he paid far more than any other person at Burisma? The answer is to gain political favour with his father Joe Biden who was the VP at the time and was responsible for the United States relationship with the Ukraine.

People may say well this is not illegal. But it is certainly corrupt. Hunter Biden has problems with drugs, is someone who appears to have had no real career and would have difficulty holding down a job stacking shelves in a supermarket. For him to be paid $1 million to sit on the board of a Ukrainian energy company is pretty naked political corruption. And that is how Joe Biden has operated for many years and presumably still operates today?

The sad thing is you will never hear the mainstream media call him out on it. The guardians of democracy are asleep at the wheel. Worse than that they were actively colluding to hide this corruption so that he would be elected and Donald Trump, a man who they hate, would be defeated. It’s hard to know who is more corrupt? Joe Biden or the mainstream media?

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/05/burisma-revisited.php
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May 29, 2021 8:25am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Butt Hunter!!!
  Seriously, was there anything about Hunter Biden that wasn’t known to voters at the last election (at which he wasn’t a candidate, btw)?
  In other US political news, I see senate republicans have managed to stave off an independent commission to inquire into the capitol hill insurrection.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:09am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    Freudian slip there.
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:25am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    Yes, what about Hunter? The guy is just trying to get by in a crazy world. I wish people would just let him be. He’s a lovely man, just like Pops.
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9627185/Hunter-Biden-bragged-smoked-crack-late-DC-Mayor-Marion-Barry-recorded-call.html
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:41am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Mikey, why this obsession with Hunter not being the candidate ? Have you never heard of the concept of a “bagman” ?
    
    The the commission to investigate Jan 6 was almost a far as possible from being independent in concept. Just another propaganda effort with specific political aims.
    
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    May 29, 2021 6:15pm
    - Batman
      
      It was the same model as the 9/11 commission.
      
      Equal representation, equal subpoena power, no major decisions without bipartisan support.
      
      The real issue for the GQP is that such a commission would actually find out what happened and the links between the criminal murderers and elected officials who egged them on for months.
      
      Amusingly, there will now probably be a long winded committee in the House that will make not pull it’s punches in the name of comity.
      
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      May 29, 2021 6:39pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        The final vote Friday was 54-35, but Republicans withheld the votes necessary to bring the bill up for debate. Just six GOP senators joined with the Democrats, leaving the measure short of the 60 votes needed to proceed.
        1 absentee (GOP)
        6 GOP voted for
        29 Dems voted for
        so
        10 Dems vote against
        44 GOP vote against
        Means this genuinely bi partizan
        Probably the first Bi Partizan vote in several years.
        
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        May 29, 2021 7:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Yesterday’s editorial in the UK Daily Telegraph , in relation to Facebook bias re their change of stance on the virus story and favouring the CCP ;
  
  “during the US Presidential election when the NY Post published allegations against Hunter Biden Facebook tinkered with its algorithms to suppress the availability of the story. Initially ,Twitter banned its users from being able to share the piece altogether.”
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:11pm
septic skeptic

The chairwoman of a school board condemns Simeon Brown’s comments as “ignorant and to an extent racist.” I will ignore the racist angle. I suspect she means ignorant of Maori culture. Which would appear to prioritize fairwelling a much respected gang leader over the education of their children, even those not related to said gang member.
This cultural attitude could partially explain why Maori perform so poorly at school on average. It certainly wouldn’t happen at a Chinese school!
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May 29, 2021 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ve been to a number of tangihanga, and I’ve never seen the kind of behaviour as was reported of this one. Those I have attended have been orderly, and full of mana and aroha.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:06am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    These days that would be considered the patronising view of a coloniser Tony.
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:01am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It probably would Brian. But I’ve always been warmly received and treated with respect which I have reciprocated. I’m by no means an expert on marae protocol, but I try my hardest.
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:38pm
- Bob
  
  This cultural attitude…
  explains exactly why some elements of Maori are at the bottom of the heap, and will stay there until Maori leadership shows some leadership, and instils a sense of motivation toward the future of their children/grandchildren of their tribal elders.
  I know of many successful Maori, but they don’t support the tribal marxist line of the Labour and Maori parties of NZ
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:15am
- surfing
  
  These days, accusations of racism are treated as evidence of racism.
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:42am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “a much respected gang leader” is an oxymoron, ironically describing an actual moron. Well played, sir.
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:14pm
peterwn

Excellent editorial in the Samoa Observer last week “The Attorney-General’s fall from grace”. See:
https://asiapacificreport.nz/2021/05/28/samoa-observer-the-attorney-generals-fall-from-grace/
NZ mainstream media could well learn a thing or two from the Samoa Observer about independent journalism.
Meanwhile the new PM continues to play a cool game while the ‘caretaker’ PM, his Attorney General and others are just looking more and more silly.
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May 29, 2021 8:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fa’asmaoa will win. Samoa is not a democracy. The paramount chiefly title holders will settle this matter. The Supreme Court does not over rule them.
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:04am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yep. The Matai will be the choosers.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:08pm
- MCos
  
  One thing I learnt from my time in Thailand was everything isn’t always as it seems.
  Everyone has their own facts.
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:14am
Tauhei Notts

I have seen two items in this morning’s paper which seem to show our government’s rat cunning.
1. There will be a tv show tomorrow that will graphically display the ineptitude of our government. Get Steve Braunias to ridicule it, before it is aired.
2. David Seymour’s popularity is rising. Get Emmerson to do a cartoon taking the piss out if him in a manner that used to be sort of thing one saw in capping magazines.
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May 29, 2021 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  $100 million buys a lot of “journalism”.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:24am
JibberJabber

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/guest-column-by-karl-du-fresne-we-re-all-in-the-same-waka

If this were truly a racist country, those “Maori” activists with distinctly European features and Anglo-Saxon surnames – testimony to a high degree of historical intimacy between Maori and Pakeha – would not be here. They exist because somewhere in their past, Maori and European partners were attracted to each other and procreated on equal and willing terms. That hardly seems indicative of a racist society.

Of course it’s the absolute right of anyone of part-Maori descent to identify as Maori if they so choose, and to take pride in that side of their heritage; no one should deny them that, and to my knowledge no one wants to. But when they exploit that point of difference to procure political advantage over their fellow citizens, despite sharing the same stain of European ancestry, I think we’re entitled to be sceptical.

Promoting racial harmony doesn’t get the same level of Government funding as the Governments preferred divisive race-baiting I’m guessing.
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May 29, 2021 8:33am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Inter-racial procreation means racism can’t be real?
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:11am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Of course, that’s not what du Fresne is saying, but by all means Mikey put words in his mouth, we all know that’s the leftist munters argument du jour when you don’t have an argument.
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:24am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It’s one thing mikenmild is an expert at.
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:41pm
- lilman
  
  Really?
  
  The amount of times I have heard from workmates,people I have met through acquaintances and friends that this bloody takeover and separatism is “making me racist”
  
  Divided? We have never been more and I cant say I disagree.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:31am
Suze Wainwright

Simeon Brown really needs to get perspective and display some aroha.

Apparently only six gang members were arrested at that Mongrel Mob tangi at the school the other day and the truly supportive school board chairwoman says things only started to get nasty when other gang members from around the country turned up later on…

At least Hipkins is demonstrating some true Labour leadership mettle by referring any concerned citizens to the Ministry of Education
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May 29, 2021 8:34am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  To be fair, the poor school board chairwoman doesn’t want repercussions from any statements made by her
  
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  May 29, 2021 9:07am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    No doubt that’s the case, but I think you’re being too generous. Leadership and good governance require courage as well as common sense, and this is an extraordinary (though unsurprising) lack of leadership as well as common sense.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:28pm
Yvette

A couple of articles outline the first steps to establish the new Maori Health Authority: a steering group to provide advice to the Transition Unit on governance arrangements and initial appointments to an interim board to oversee the establishment of the Māori Health Authority.

So that is the appointment of six persons of brilliance and excellence in Maori Health to appoint another seemingly so far un-named number of persons, with hopefully even more brilliance and excellence in Maori Health, to an interim board to oversee the establishment of the Māori Health Authority.

One media report speaks of steering group chairperson Tā Mason Durie, with great respect –
“Tā Mason is a pillar of the New Zealand health system and brings tremendous experience and mana to this crucial role. The place of the Māori Health Authority in the future health system is important not only for Māori, but for all New Zealanders. Tā Mason’s appointment is a significant step in the reform programme as we seek to deliver better outcomes for all, in partnership,” Andrew Little said.
“He has spent his life working at the forefront of hauora Māori innovation – and so it is right that he help us ensure that the Māori Health Authority continues to be transformative,” Peeni Henare said.
“The Authority will give Māori a voice and influence in how our system needs to perform better for Maori.
“I can’t think of anyone who is better qualified or has greater mana in this area than Tā Mason.

But can Tā Mason appoint himself, or his six member steering group appoint him, to the governance board or would that actually be wise as apparently it is an interim board?

And is this starting to smell a bit like the mental health working group which developed a report that then saw nine working groups appointed to implement that report?
Ask Mike King where that got us.
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May 29, 2021 8:39am
- Nickc2
  
  Let’s kick this so-called Maori Health Authority (MHA) in the guts before it even gets started. Its not needed and it’s a waste of taxpayer’s money, not to mention the them and us society it will create.
  If we are to have separatism cemented into NZ society, this MHA will only serve as the catalyst for more such Authorities to be established. I smell the creation of a Maori Water Authority on the horizon already.
  LET’S STOP THIS FOLLY NOW.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:29am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Let it fail.
    
    Another public reminder of Labour’s waste and inability to deliver anything but big talk.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:27pm
    - Nickc2
      
      IMO, it won’t be gazetted as a failure until there have been squillions of taxpayers’ dollars defrauded from the Authority. If you thought the TOW Car Industry was rort, you haven’t seen anything yet.
      
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      May 29, 2021 12:34pm
      - Thought Criminal
        
        Completely agree. And anyone who dares question it will be branded a racist and hounded by the thought police (press) for offending people like Judith Collins was this week.
        
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        May 29, 2021 2:21pm
- I remember when
  
  “- and so it is right that he help us ensure that the Maori Health Authority continues to be transformative,” Peeni Henare said.
  If it hasn’t been established how can it ‘continue’ to be transformative.
  How has it been transformative to date.
  
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  May 29, 2021 2:38pm
  - Nickc2
    
    These are the types of fuckwits this Govt will put in charge and pay them heaps. Wake up NZ FFS!
    
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    May 29, 2021 9:25pm
- Paulus
  
  No doubt the very rich leading Lawyer Donna Hall will be appointed to the Board.
  What she is married to Mason ?
  well I never did.
  
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  May 29, 2021 2:51pm
kowtow

Dunedin City Council has deplatformed the Speak Up for Women NZ event planned for 17 June at the City library .

That’s fascism.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/activists-unhappy-about-meeting
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May 29, 2021 8:46am
- oldfella
  
  Kowtow, the same group/event which Christchurch Libraries cancelled and which drew a strong response from Judith Collins.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125265969/christchurch-libraries-refuse-to-host-controversial-group
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:24am
- I remember when
  
  Sex self-indentification used to get you into trouble when I went to school.
  
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  May 29, 2021 2:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Whitehouse stopping investigation into Covid origin, why? Biden covering up for China?
https://rumble.com/vhoym3-tucker-carlson-exposes-media-who-are-now-frantically-covering-up-their-lies.html?
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May 29, 2021 8:53am
- tf78
  
  Steve, a cover up for Flip Flop Fauci more like.
  
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  May 29, 2021 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fauci is involved in funding the Wuhan Lab
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:16am
- rouppe
  
  Peter Williams and Sean Plunkett ought to set up a channel like that here…
  
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  May 29, 2021 9:16am
  - MCos
    
    They’d be dog tucker.
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Leighton doing guest gigs and cover for when Sean falls over . . .
    
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    May 29, 2021 1:04pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Oh, and Hoskins to ensure the leftie heads well and truly explode . . .
      
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      May 29, 2021 1:06pm
      - MCos
        
        Why would he leave what is probably the best paid job in NZ journalism to work with that bunch of aging pensioners?
        Australia has five times NZ’s population plus a far more boisterous political landscape and Rupert Murdoch.
        
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        May 29, 2021 4:14pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      And Chris Lynch, formerly Newstalk ZB’s morning host in Christchurch is now free as well.
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:43pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Cover up also for Fauci & Co? Fauci gets royalties from patents on the “vaccines” he mandates. Corrupt?
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:09am
  - RichardX
    
    KevO’Brien
    Cover up also for Fauci & Co? Fauci gets royalties from patents on the “vaccines” he mandates. Corrupt?
    MAY 29, 2021 11:09AM
    
    That is the second time you have made that accusation.
    
    KevO’Brien
    Ask Fauci and others who get royalties from your jabs.
    Independent advice?
    MAY 28, 2021 11:11AM
    
    I can’t find a credible source for your claim that Fauci receives royalties from covid vaccinations.
    
    Can you please provide a citation?
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:06pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There’s a lot out there. This is not the primary one I was referring too, which was more detailed, but close at hand.
      https://drleonardcoldwell.com/2020/04/20/anthony-fauci-is-a-fraud/
      
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      May 29, 2021 4:59pm
      - RichardX
        
        I asked for credible evidence. Those are just unsubstantiated claims.
        
        Dishonest?
        
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        May 29, 2021 5:56pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  You mean commies covering for Commies
  Biden is one creepy Deranged Wanker
  much like his supporters
  a Bunch of Commo Creeps
  
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  May 29, 2021 4:48pm
Happychappy

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/mike-king-furious-at-clowns-at-ministry-of-health-for-incompetent-handling-of-1-9b-mental-health-investment.html
Well we hear all this rhetoric and abuse that Jacinda Ardern used over Judith Collins call on separatism in this country with msm help and yet all we ge is different Maori Languages being used by Government departments to further muddy the already hard to understand quotes coming from those that are obviously told this is a directive from those leading the Governments narritive.
“Mana Ake” so in the terms of meaning what does these words mean in the next paragraph.
Over the next year we are designing similar services in five more areas around the country, this is part of the Government’s commitment to roll out Mana Ake across the Country.
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May 29, 2021 9:00am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yes, but Ms Ardern doesn’t call it separatism, she calls it partnership…
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:52am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    She can call it what she likes in her ignorance, pride and foolishness.
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:28am
  - oldfella
    
    Suze, and she doesn’t call a delay a delay, either.
    I think we all need to be more careful, and kinder, with the words we use. /s
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:28am
  - Nickc2
    
    Ardern is full of shit! There is no mention of ‘partnership’ or anything like it in the TOW, English or Maori translations. The closest it ever to to being a so-called partnership was when that Labour Party fool Geoffrey Palmer decided it would serve as a sop to Maori at the time.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:18pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why don’t they commit harikiri instead?
  Maori is different between the tribes. There is NO Maori nation as such but groups who arrived at different times and places unknown to each other and likely personally hostile.
  
  Their lingo is basically frozen. It was OK for use around 1840 in the pa or for kumara planting. But what use is it now in the 21st century? We have to lend it so many words that it is nonsense. To teach it to children is like trying to teach a strange dialect version of English with the wrong grammar too.
  
  As for posters appearing in doctors waiting rooms they are a joke in ignorance. Why weren’t the words of the former elders accepted? They knew Te Reo had its place on the Marae where genealogies and cultural matters were considered, but outside it’s practically useless. Have you read the latest Harry Potter in Te Reo or been to a chem lecture or read a physics text in Te Reo?
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:27am
Inandout

Mayor Lightfoot has now decided white reporters be sidelined.
https://www.foxnews.com/us
In NZ our PM is safe as she has purchased our news media.
Scroll down to story.
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May 29, 2021 9:03am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  I wonder what the Mayor’s White wife thinks about her partner’s anti-White hatred. Maybe it spices up their home life.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:31am
Nukuleka

The Voyager Media awards confirm what most of us already knew about the agenda driving journalism in the msm. Stuff’s article about its successes in these awards by promoting progressive causes is frankly sick-making. Nothing to do with accuracy, fairness and objectivity. All about ‘improving’ NZ society by using the media as a propaganda tool for a left wing agenda.
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May 29, 2021 9:16am
Greg Ettridge

Puppet on a string.
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May 29, 2021 9:24am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  It’s worse than that: there’s clearly someone’s hand up his fundament making his lips move. On a positive note, at least the media are grilling him like they did his predecessor.
  
  https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/1398005456543653890
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:32am
Sacha

I listened on the radio this morning to hear what Kim Hill had on her programme for us, only to hear what seemed to be a high-pitched and somewhat hysterical tirade from a fill-in presenter.
It was in Maori (delivered by someone with a distinctly European name), and followed by a what seemed a well structured summary of the morning’s items, all of which seemed to be about matters Maori.
I turned it off.
I wondered who would actually be listening? Would they be listeners of many years (like me), or Maori, or public servant types who have a particular interest in the topics presented?
I miss the informative programmes, the discussions, and the eclectic music selections of what used to be the National Programme.
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May 29, 2021 9:34am
- Clyde
  
  I also turned on the radio to see what Kim Hill was bringing forth. I also turned it off after listening to what I thought must have been East Polynesian Radio for a couple of minutes. If RNZ is supposed to be a communicator, why do they impose the biggest barrier possible in that goal – by speaking in a language that bugger all people in New Zealand understand – or WANT to understand?
  
  And no sense in remonstrating with RNZ – its Board has been stacked by Willy Jackson. Control the media and you control the narrative.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:17am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Well for their sake I hope the person delivering the tirade wasn’t Pakha!
  
  I recently had the occasion to attend a cultural event where the person delivering all matters Maori was actually a Pakeha wahine fluent in Te Reo and all aspects Te Ao. In fact she clearly knew more Te Reo and Te Ao than any of the Maori present.
  
  Let me tell you my friends, that did not go down well with the indigenous present (stfu was frequently heard under the breaths of many present).
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:59am
- cas
  
  Ditto re the off switch. Jim Mora on Sunday morning is good and not biased
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

9.45am and GD is closed for the day
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May 29, 2021 9:44am
Swifty

Young bloke hunting in Fiordland captures a once in a lifetime event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXt5nJqVFo

A one in a million…..

NB: A wapiti cow experiences a fatal but natural event.
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May 29, 2021 9:45am
- Colville
  
  Sad but not that rare. Beautiful country tho.
  
  and the cameraman wasnt carrying a knife ? FFS.
  
  I have seen footage of two stags playing, one gives the other a nudge and he goes over a cliff and splat.
  
  The survivor looked like he shrugged his shoulders afterward…funny as fu*k. like ohhhh well!
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:18am
  - Swifty
    
    Yeah, I’m sure is happens regularly – but I was meaning rare in that he was there and able to capture it.
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:59am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Be careful out there, trampers. That could have been a human…
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:12am
cmm

I can’t be the only one to be outraged by the state funeral held for the Mob gang member in Hawkes Bay.

It’s not just running others off the road, but their blatant power play in other areas too.

They had the local school shut down to hold the funeral there. I wonder how that BoT meeting went. No doubt everyone was in absolute agreement and they all voted yes – or knew they’d face the consequences.

Now MoE are saying that was perfectly fine and they are working with the BoT to make sure the kids don’t lose any school time.

Excuse me, but what about the misuse of taxpayer assets to hold funerals for criminals?

Now the Mob are holding petitions to censure Simeon Brown. That’s pretty bold and only shows how entitled these criminals are.

The cops are collecting footage of the traffic offenses. I doubt that will do much.

We are now really at a stage where the gangs are running a multi-faceted campaign. Not only do they threaten people at a low level, but also have tie and suit wearing advocates pushing their case with government agencies of all types.

It’s no longer just standing over a few civilians for a box of smokes. Now we have them standing over all aspects of society – including the police.
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May 29, 2021 9:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are we to expect all publicly funded schools to be able to close for a few days while pupils grieve the death of a parent?
  
  Because it is not an uncommon event during a school year.
  
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  May 29, 2021 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    I wonder how much “Gee, you’ve got a nice school there. There’s been a lot of arson in the last few years. I hope it doesn’t happen here.” went on? It no longer has to be that blatant – just say “our members won’t like it and they are upset at the moment so …”.
    
    Apart, of course, from personal threats to BoT members.
    
    According to Lou Hutchinson (their PR advisor), the BoT consulted with the Ministry of Health (perhaps she meant the MoE), but no doubt they didn’t want to get labelled racist and didn’t want to inflame the Mob.
    
    When we have government ministries (MoE, police) pandering to gangsters we’ve given up.
    
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    May 29, 2021 9:59am
    - Unity
      
      They are becoming more and more emboldened these days. From where I’m sitting it looks as though are just giving the establishment the fingers and proving that they hold all the strings. We appear to be too frightened to oppose them and it’s going to get worse if we don’t stand up to them and do what’s necessary to stop this arrogant self-entitled behaviour.
      
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      May 29, 2021 12:41pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    And what should be the reaction of the Ministry of Education to that school hosting the funeral of a gangster? Swift and brutal. But no. Katrina Casey is a highly paid executive at the Ministry of Education. She is frequently in the news defending the dying school system. BTW her title is “Deputy Sectary Sector Enablement and Support”. FFS.
    
    Anyway this is what she said about the school closing to host a gangster funeral.
    
    “We understand that the kura’s Board made the decision to assist because of a whānau connection that the man had – and we’re confident that the kura is ensuring that the wellbeing of its ākonga and its wider community is its priority.”
    
    This woman is a symbol for a dying system. Honestly if National every wins again the incoming minister should state publicly that he has no confidence in the senior leadership of the Ministry of Education and that he won’t work with them.
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:06am
  - Bob
    
    Naturally Maggie,
    We are an equal opportunities country, a team of 5 million…remember!
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:19am
    - oldfella
      
      Yep, Bob, and in this team of 5 Million, 16.7% of Maori are now equal to 83.3% of the rest of us.
      Or that’s the way it seems to be going. /s
      
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      May 29, 2021 11:38am
      - Bob
        
        Certainly Oldfella…
        this is an example of the NEW DISTRIBUTATIVE maths to be introduced to our schools under the pending revised education curriculum
        
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        May 29, 2021 1:01pm
  - backster
    
    And is it racist if the school refuses to close because the deceased is a white New Zealander?
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:24pm
- kowtow
  
  The $tuff article on the school closure was very soft . No talk of what the organised crime syndicate known as the Mongrel Mob get up to in terms of initiations or income streams.
  
  And best of all , no room for comments , I wonder why not .
  
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  May 29, 2021 9:51am
  - sooty
    
    Because they have been told!
    
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    May 29, 2021 9:57pm
- Swifty
  
  I would like to know how many times in the past they’ve closed the school down in order to hold a tangi – do they do this routinely or was this a once off?
  
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  May 29, 2021 9:52am
  - sooty
    
    Was the use of facilities a freebie?
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not only has the Mob set up a petition to have Simeon Brown removed from his portfolios, but in a story about it on Thursday, One News actually showed the link to the petition. For me, that’s crossing a line.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:08am
  - kowtow
    
    The Nats shudda sold that lot off when they the chance .
    
    Next time ?
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:27am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The line was crossed long ago Tony, but it’s funny isn’t it?
    
    Police Hawke’s Bay area commander Inspector Lincoln Sycamore: “We want to reassure the community that we do not tolerate this type of behaviour on our roads and offenders will be held accountable.” – not racist.
    
    Hastings Mayor Sandra Hazlehurst said she had received emails from members of the Hastings community, “expressing their frustration and concern about this tangi. We want to reassure the community that we do not tolerate this type of behaviour on our roads. As a council, we are working closely with police to prevent this type of behaviour.” – not racist.
    
    National MP Simeon Brown said the gang’s procession across the region was “unacceptable”. – RACIST!
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:42pm
  - Prince
    
    I don’t see how Brown can be removed from his ‘portfolios’ – they are appointed by Collins. I understood the petition is for him to be ‘censored’ by Parliament. That would be an early Christmas present for National. Clearly positions them as the Party opposed to bullying by the Mob and other gangs.
    Bring it on. I’d be inclined to sign the petition myself to help bring this festering sore to a head.
    
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    May 29, 2021 1:48pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      He can’t be censured by Parliament for comments he made in the public domain/
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:45pm
- Clyde
  
  The Police are reported to be “combing CCTV footage” to see if any crimes were being committed. How about if the flaccid male appendage Commissioner had ensured that his staff were on hand ready to stamp out ANY of the gross behaviour? The Police stood by to “ensure that everyone was safe”. What that actually means is that we will protect the gangs above and beyond the safety of the public.
  
  Only one way to deal with feral vermin and we all know what that is.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:24am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Oh they were there alright. Right there, sitting in their cars, eating donuts and watching.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:43pm
- H. Upmann
  
  HDPA on Newstalk had a woman from (I think) MoE yesterday saying the school could open on a Saturday to make up for the days lost.
  This lunacy comes from the top.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:31am
  - I remember when
    
    So let’s see.
    How many will be participating in Saturday morning sport and how many will be at school.
    
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    May 29, 2021 3:06pm
- PeeJay
  
  The problem is that the police actually have the tools to take them, and their ‘tie and suit-wearing advocates’. The law isn’t the issue – the balls or desire to use the law is the issue. Unfortunately, the ‘long march through the institutions’ is bearing fruit. Name one bloody government department that hasn’t been captured by a leftist agenda? Maybe treasury in part (?) but not many. Think about the two organisations related to this issue. MoE and the police. The MoE, well there is probably a good argument that the entire department should be closed and rebooted – completely failing the mandate to educate kids and are now focussed relentlessly on racism, colonialism and white privilege! That will solve declining stats – mathematics is obviously racist!!!! Same issue with the police to an extent – the ‘bullshit castle’ that passes for their leadership have long lost touch with reality and are more interested in molly-coddling the mob etc than actually going after the scum. But as long as they can scare the average citizen with ‘a trip to our place’, job done.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s some stuff for S.O. (north Shore) to read then..
https://theconversation.com/twin-challenges-of-china-and-trans-tasman-migration-loom-over-scott-morrisons-new-zealand-visit-160344
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May 29, 2021 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda is doing everything she can to avoid being responsible for any fallout.
  I will read and absorb it later. Thanks
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hard to believe that our switched-on PM and Min of Education were unaware of this programme fronted by Taika Cohen/Waititi that talks of White Supremacy in our Education system

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2105/S00248/new-education-programme-teaches-white-supremacy.htm
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May 29, 2021 9:55am
- sooty
  
  Are you really sure our PM and Min of Education are switched on or just set to dim?
  
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  May 29, 2021 9:59am
  - Bob
    
    Neither have yet been connected to the ‘real world network’; hence they have no idea of the real world, along with the other 70 or so in the government
    
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    May 29, 2021 10:21am
    - oldfella
      
      Bob, perhaps they were disconnected from the grid by whoever took down the Waikato DHB?
      
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      May 29, 2021 11:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Might be switched on but nothing happening because the fuse has blown
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:29am
  - kowtow
    
    The fuse is brown.
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:53am
  - Bob
    
    my electrician friend told me recently that it is difficult to buy fuse wire now days. Perhaps we could replace them with an RCD!
    
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    May 29, 2021 1:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fuse wire will always be available for those with a short fuse.
      
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      May 29, 2021 4:07pm
- lilman
  
  The silly little girl lies ,I would say.
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:35am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  No; according to social media commentary and certain sections of the media in this nation, the only people who express dissent in aotearoa are the Taxpayers’ Union – and they’re just a pack of racist boomers…
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:46am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We really are going to have to impose a cultural upgrade tax to offset the Waitangi payouts.
    
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    May 29, 2021 11:37am
Yvette

As much as media has in the last few days reported Mike King saying – with great sadness I will be returning my NZOM Medal to Dame Patsy Reddy before she leaves office – media have equally told us that Mike King in an open letter to Prime Minister Ardern explained – I can no longer stand idly by hoping things will change and knowing they won’t.
To paraphrase Martin Luther King “for incompetence to prevail all it needs is for good people to do nothing” Yours sincerely, Mike King

And displaying either her own considerable incompetence, or that of her staff in not informing her –
In a statement to Newshub, Ardern says she doesn’t believe King has been in touch with her recently about this, but wanted to assure him and others they know the work to improve mental health in New Zealand isn’t complete yet.
“We have made good steps but know there is much more to do,” she says. [1]

And therein is the latest Government mantra which has already been used often enough to make you want to vomit every time it “comes up” –
the work isn’t complete yet – we know there is much more to do

“What do you guys think of her?” some New Zealand media back in 2017 asked Australian journalists. Their response was that “She has not been Leader Labour long enough to have yet done anything to judge her by”
They are still partly right. But that doing nothing now is very solid grounds for judgement in itself.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/mike-king-furious-at-clowns-at-ministry-of-health-for-incompetent-handling-of-1-9b-mental-health-investment.html
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May 29, 2021 9:58am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Theres probably room in ACT for Mike, Seymour should give him a call
  
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  May 29, 2021 10:47am
Swifty

Man suffers terribly after contracting Indian Covid:

https://leakedreality.com/video/11964/indian-covid
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May 29, 2021 10:35am
JibberJabber

Arderns New Zealand…
https://twitter.com/EvilArthurFleck/status/1396636192628625408
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May 29, 2021 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ain’t that the truth
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This shit in the US has to stop. These brats were never disciplined, never taught respect, and prob come from fatherless homes. The Police need to crack down hard. America is being destroyed from within.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/here-we-go-again-portland-rioters-set-fire-set-near-justice-center-attack-police-with-mortars-and-spikes/?
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May 29, 2021 10:44am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  Come on Steve. These good folks were probably simply peacefully protesting the ongoing ill-treatment of African Americans at the hands of the usual suspects. The US clearly has a problem in its midst, one that has festered away without being addressed, and I for one am glad that Biden refers so often of the pernicious influence of many of his fellow Americans. Reparations are the only answer.
  
  https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1398029800070172674
  
  https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1398337307703455750
  
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  May 29, 2021 4:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From a Facebook friend in Alaska.
The truth.
“They knew from the start this came from the Wuhan lab.
They covered it up because a crisis launched by a hostile foreign country’s government — even if due to incompetence and sloppiness rather than intent — would benefit the current president.
Who was Trump, of course.
Knowledge that China created this in the lab would have created a rally-round-the-flag effect for Trump.
And they couldn’t have that.
So they lied.
They “fortified” an election. With lies.
And media and social media defamed and censored anyone who tried to tell the truth.” – AOS warblog
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May 29, 2021 10:47am
- cmm
  
  Came from the lab is not the same as made in the lab.
  
  I’d put money on it coming from a lab (ie. escaping from the lab).
  
  I’d put money against it being made in a lab.
  
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  May 29, 2021 11:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My opinion is that Covid was created and released to collapse the American economy and get Trump out of office. Trump would not be bullied by China and they did not like the way Trump acted. He is not a diplomatic politician, he is a well seasoned businessman
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:05pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      The Truth is yet to emerge – but it will.
      
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      May 29, 2021 1:53pm
    - cmm
      
      There are a few solid reasons for what I say:
      
      1) If this was supposed to be a hugely deadly virus then why isn’t it? Spanish Flu was, arguably, 300x as bad. Thus it doesn’t really pass the very-bad test.
      2) Why would they dump it in the middle of their own city where their own virus lab staff would be open to infection? Rather dump it in NYC or on an Uighur camp to trial it.
      
      Nope, the most logical conclusion is that it was just a bio-security cock up of sorts with a natural virus that was being played with in the lab.
      
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      May 29, 2021 4:37pm
      - cha
        
        Yup. And consequentially, local officials fearful of the party hierarchy kept quiet as they tried and failed to get control of the situation. By the time Xi and co found out it was too late, the cat was out of the vial. China’s very own Chernobyl.
        
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        May 29, 2021 4:54pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        It is possible that once the virus was loose by accident, that actions to ensure it spread outside China could have been taken.
        
        Could only be inferred as there will I suspect never be any official CCP confirmation.
        
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        May 29, 2021 6:42pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Probably ran large numbers of generations of the original virus that had infected the miners through humanised mice to select for infectivity rather than straight out ge. Lab workers accidentally catch it and spread it to the local community before they realise. That’s the most likely scenario imo.
    
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    May 29, 2021 1:12pm
    - I remember when
      
      How about research samples to identify earliest covid cases sent to lab.
      Poor systems and techniques resulted in staff becoming infected and then passing it on to general public.
      
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      May 29, 2021 3:23pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    cmm, we’ll probably never know for sure, but my current “best bayesian prior” is that it was created in the lab as part of a series of “Gain of Function” experiments – paid for at least in part by the US, and that it escaped from that lab via one or more infected individuals.
    
    Again, very hard to confirm, but it does seem likely that at least some of the work was done under dangerously low security (BSL-2) which makes the escape of an aerosol transmitted virus almost certain.
    
    There is a recent paper (I haven’t yet read it) that claims that certain features of the Covid-19 genome as published and available shows subtle but distinctive signs of manipulation which can only have come from laboratory work. Much of the variation/mutation may have come from serial passage through humanised mice (sort of natural, that is not directed insertion/deletion) but other parts including the critical Furin cleavage site are likely actual insertions. In fact FC sites exist in a number of more distant Corona virus relatives to Covid-19, but NONE of those use the same coding for the site.
    
    A purely natural origin could still be correct, but I suggest based on what we know, that is NOT a high likelihood.
    
    As for deliberately released, almost certainly not (but I guess possible), but it is not pure conspiracy thinking to posit that the CCP *may* have encouraged its spread beyond its own borders as a political ploy, along with specific efforts to over emphasise how deadly it was (people dropping in the streets – quite likely staged episodes for example as not observed anywhere else).
    
    Final conclusion though, Covid is around twice as deadly as “normal” flu (0.26 as against 0.12 – 0.14) but similar to “bad” flu outbreaks. Covid however has a markedly different age impact in that it is apparently LESS dangerous than flu to young fit people (under 30 or so) but significantly more dangerous to the elderly and those with specific co-morbidities. AND, there are potent and useful treatments which if applied early enough would cut the Covid rate to below that of the flu.
    
    There’s a lot we could learn if we review this “pandemic” with proper scientific reasoning, but nothing we can’t fuck up if it stays as political as it has become.
    
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    May 29, 2021 6:40pm
Tasman Terror

If a white supremacist died and his family
wanted to take over his former
high school for two days and Simeon Brown
criticised that would he be called a racist?

All bets were on a Maori wahine for our
next Governor General….. as it fits the
woke narrative.

Our last Caucasian pakeha
Governor General Sir Michael Hardie Boys
was appointed in 1996.

He will be our last.

Recently I was called a pale stale male
by a young Maori female.

That is ok these days I am told,
but I can’t call her a brown young female
as that’s ageist, racist, and sexist.

Is that a double standard?

Is Aotearoa New Zealand a better place
for all Kiwis than on Election Day in 2017?

Is it true that only Press Gallery journalists
are homeowners?

Is it true that only 2 Cabinet Ministers have
run a business?

Has there been an abundance of media
coverage about Kiri Allen’s cancer diagnosis
compared to Nikki Kaye’s diagnosis
because one is Maori, Lesbian, and left wing
and the other is Pakeha, heterosexual, and
right wing?

Are more children in poverty since Election
day 2017?

Have waiting times for elective surgery
ballooned since Election Day 2017?

Weren’t we told we’d be first in the
queue for the Covid 19 vaccine,
not lagging behind Mongolia?

Why aren’t our journalists asking such
questions?

Is it because they are tossers who
only worry about their next latte?

You decide.
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May 29, 2021 11:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The journalists have been paid to not ask such questions. Govt is as cunning as a shithouse rat
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:07pm
- Sacha
  
  Maybe some people like to keep personal health matters to themselves, particularly if they occupy prominent positions in society.
  And maybe it is in the nature of some people to share those same matters among the wider community.
  But I do not need to know.
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:39pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/i-dont-know-bigger-story-world-right-now-ivermectin-nytimes-best-selling-author. this is what journalism looks like. haven’t seen anything like this locally for 10 years.
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May 29, 2021 11:14am
- Sacha
  
  You might appreciate this video from Northland GP Damien Wojcik. He exemplifies the ethics of medicine on which all medical/nursing care is based. In this video he talks about the COVID19 pandemic.
  
  https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/data-science/an-open-video-from-nz-gp-damian-wojcik/?fbclid=IwAR0CpuALmHCNkYqR9GpudnHezz71r69m9pFj4GtW4EM-5aFW5GrI8dbvMTI
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:48pm
- Don Beckett
  
  That’s correct. Here’s a story from Mexico supporting ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment – this has been knoen for a year, but was suppressed so Big Pharma could make billions$$$ from their so called vaccines:
  
  MEXICO CITY, May 26, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — A city-wide initiative in Mexico’s bustling capital to prescribe ivermectin to COVID-19 positive patients has resulted in a 52–76 percent reduction in hospitalizations, according to research by the Mexican Digital Agency for Public Innovation (DAPI), Mexico’s Ministry of Health, and the Mexican Social Security Institute (IMSS).
  Concerned about hospital capacity in the summer of 2020, the Mexican government devised an aggressive testing regime, ramping up from 3,000 tests per day in June to around 24,000 antigen tests every day by that November, according to TrialSiteNews. Mexico City Ministry of Health head Oliva López later announced that doctors will give ivermectin and azithromycin to treat COVID-19.
  
  “The Ministry of Health has identified that there is enough evidence to use in people positive for SARS-CoV-2, even without symptoms, some drugs such as ivermectin and azithromycin,” López confirmed in a press conference.
  
  Local authorities created a home-treatment-kit, including ivermectin, for its 22 million-strong population on December 28, 2020, following a spike in cases of COVID-19.
  
  Individuals testing positive for COVID from an antigen test, and who were experiencing at least mild symptoms, began receiving one of the government’s ivermectin-based treatment kits from December 29.
  
  As part of the program of testing and early treatment, the Mexican government opened a study to track the effect that early treatment of COVID with ivermectin was having on the city’s population. Run by the Mexico Ministry of Health, DAPI, and IMSS, a phone-based monitoring program traced the health of individuals testing positive for COVID with an antigen test. The study followed two cohorts — those who received ivermectin and those who did not — and included 200,000 people, TrialSiteNews revealed.
  
  Using the data garnered from its phone-call-based monitoring system and hospital data on admissions for COVID-19, the researchers discovered a significant reduction in hospitalizations for the group administered ivermectin versus the group which was not, totaling between 52 percent and 76 percent effective at preventing hospitalization.
  
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  May 29, 2021 2:02pm
rouppe

Stuff on NZ/Aus relations:

However, a turning point occurred early in 2020. Taylor said there was now a “much stronger emphasis on values … seeing the world in terms of democracy versus authoritarian regimes”.

I wish our government valued democracy more.

There was not a lot of expertise about New Zealand within universities and think tanks across the Tasman.

“My sense is the Australian Government has been struggling to understand the New Zealand Government’s approach.”

No shit. They’re not the only ones.

New Zealand’s approach to China resembled that of some South East Asian nations, he said – Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta’s speech to the New Zealand China Council last month was comparable to speeches given by Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

“The Australian Government could probably learn a bit from looking at speeches like that.”

The thing is that South East Asia is at china’s back door. They have to be careful, especially when they see china’s influence on Vietnam, Cambodia and others in the region.
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May 29, 2021 11:17am
trout

@cmm ‘show me the money’
From the Daily Telegraph:
(Reprinted in the Herald -whole article is worth a read)
‘The paper turned down by Nature Medicine was written by Professor Angus Dalgleish, foundation professor of oncology in the Institute of Infection and Immunity at St Georges, University of London, and Birger Sorensen, one of the world’s leading vaccine designers.
It included a research review highlighting how Chinese scientists had spent more than a decade conducting “gain of function” experiments to make bat viruses more deadly to humans, so they could get a head start on emerging diseases.
They pointed to inserts in the coronavirus genome that appeared to be evidence of this activity.’
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May 29, 2021 11:39am
- Pharmachick
  
  Something like 99% of papers get turned down by Nature Medicine. Also, Nat Med publishes few reviews.
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:24pm
- cmm
  
  Much has been made of this “gain of function” research.
  
  Sure, that could be the purpose of their research, but that is not to say they reached it.
  
  For all the fear mongering out there SARS-Cov-2 is not really that bad compared to Spanish flu, Asian flu etc.
  
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  May 29, 2021 4:41pm
  - [email protected]
    
    Does anyone know if the viral lab in Wuhan was doing “gain of function” studies on the Spanish flu or the Asian flu back then?
    
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    May 29, 2021 6:03pm
alloytoo

I have decided to embrace wokeness and my intersectional identity.

Henceforth my person pronoun will be “Sir”
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May 29, 2021 11:45am
- oldfella
  
  Okay, alloytoo, I’m upgrading mine to ‘Your Lordship’.
  Fun game, eh?
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:01pm
- MCos
  
  My name is Sir alloytoo, how do you do.
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Congratulations, Sir
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:09pm
- Pharmachick
  
  That’s one of the names specifically barred from being registered on a NZ birth certificate (for now).
  
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  May 29, 2021 12:26pm
  - MCos
    
    Personally I’m pleased enough my parents didn’t burden me with one of those trendy names going round at the time like Rocky or Dweezil or Leroy.
    
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    May 29, 2021 12:53pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Ha ha ha ha – for egregious naming behaviour see: Elon Musk.
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:15pm
- alloytoo
  
  Personal pronoun as a substitute for “Him/His”, “she/Hers”
  
  So in instead of saying: “I will hand him his coffee.”
  
  You would say “I will hand sir, Sir’s coffee.”
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  You may refer to me as ‘his ultimate supremacy’
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:23pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    That’s too long – maybe it could be shortened to ‘hus’ – or maybe ‘hussy’ 😉
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:12pm
oldfella

Don Brash: SUBMISSION ON THE PROPOSED SCHOOL HISTORY CURRICULUM
‘The proposed History curriculum is so bad that it is hard to know where to start…’
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/submission-on-the-proposed-school-history-curriculum
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May 29, 2021 12:46pm
WaveyDavey

Today’s reported gang incident from BoP

“This morning at 3.45am one of my car club members was getting ready to leave for work when he was approached in his driveway by a armed patched gang member, he then had a gun pointed at him, strangely enough he didn’t take the car but took food from the freezer, took a weed eater & life jackets & ran. It’s a bit of a long shot but if anyone in the opal drive area saw anything that could help identify this guy to the police that would be awesome…”
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May 29, 2021 1:08pm
- kevn
  
  @Wavey… Papamoa?
  
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  May 29, 2021 5:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Top Science Journals playing politics …

“Some scientific journals absolutely refused to publish anything that disagreed with the Chinese view. I put Nature at the front of the queue, Nature has been absolutely outrageous in the way they have co-operated with the Chinese narrative.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-uk-us-jointly-probe-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/XOXZMHEHMACA7EEE3A3KQVULQA/

WHO would have thunk it?
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May 29, 2021 1:23pm
- Pharmachick
  
  I dunno Maggy, whilst there’s way more politics in science than most people think (especially at that level), similar to my comment above; >99% of things submitted to Nature get bounced. It’s too easy to blame politics/biased reviews/not “sexy” enough rather than just, not good enough at this time for this journal. *COI statement: I have been bounced from Nature once, and have never published in it. But we might have something “Science” worthy in a year or so if my collaborator’s lab ever stops obsessing on COVID (we need their CryoEM expertise).
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I was the Editor of the NZ J Botany for a few years (yonks ago).
    
    I met a couple of disenchanted authors who believed that the DSIR Journals were biased against them/or their views…
    
    For a time back in the 1980s a group of NZ zoologists held tight to a belief known as panbiogeography.
    
    They finally got a special edition of the NZJ. Zoology to publish some papers in 2012.
    
    http://www.lincolnecology.org.nz/?p=65
    
    I knew a few of these folks… they didn’t seem to have much/any Genetics/biochemistry in their background.
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:27pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Maggy,
      
      that link is gold. Ta.
      
      “they didn’t seem to have much/any Genetics/biochemistry in their background.”
      
      Very kind, I think the phrase you were looking for is “devoid of”.
      
      Also, for the record, thanks for being an Editor of a journal – comes with no $ (not even c often) and a shedload of “extra” work. Kudos. We were always taught that the DSIR Journals were excellent, if local, content.
      
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      May 29, 2021 2:40pm
- MrTips
  
  Nature has been woke and unreliable for years. I and many colleagues I know do not hold it, Science and PNAS in the same regard as we used to, for they publish far too many politically oriented papers.
  
  Further, many VC funders have told me they don’t hold Nature papers in high esteem anymore. One even told me their operation calculated 50% of Nature papers are irreproducible. This offends many snotty nosed “high flying” intellectuals and scientists, but they don’t care – biotech requires the truth to be viable.
  
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  May 29, 2021 1:43pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Hey Mr T, long time now hear.
    
    Oh LOL… PNAS 50% irreproducible B/S and 25% “somebody sponsored this” (still… I know that practice was supposed to have gone by-the-by but…). I had the impression that Science was still doing better than average, but I’ll take your word for it.
    
    And thanks for the confirmation BTW, yes I’m an academic (as you know), but also work with and consult for [two different things] Pharma/Biotech. If my lab’s data wasn’t reproducible, or my advice was off base (well more so than most “advice”) I’d be ditched in a hot second, and quite rightly so.
    
    Reproducibility has always a bit of a problem at the cutting edge – for obvious reasons, but IMHO has become a massive issue in the last, oh I dunno, 12-15 years maybe? What do you think? I think we plumbed a new low with that terrible Science paper (incidentally rejected from Nature, Cell and others) with the so-called pluripotent adult stem cells “made” by a post doc dipping them in acid… I think that was c. 2010, they called it STAP (cannot recall what the acronym was).
    
    And with that I have commented FAR too much on KB today. Thanks everyone for your patience (and kind words).
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:27pm
    - Muzza M
      
      Hi Pharmachick
      Just out of interest, was your first qualification obtained in NZ. CIT or Otago University. I graduated BPharm Otago 1986. 30 years on the register. I taught at CIT for four years 1987 to 1991 when they closed us down.
      Thanks
      Murray
      
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      May 29, 2021 10:29pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        NZ, U AKL BSc Pharmacology, May 1998 (in those days only one graduateon ceremony in the town hall a year). I’m not a pharmacist, but I currently work in a Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, and teach science, midwifery, pharmacy students and do some teaching for med students too.
        
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        May 30, 2021 2:36pm
MrTips

There is a certain irony in this. If China were truly influential or even part running NZ, we would be more prosperous, better behaved socially and govt would be more efficient. One would almost be tempted to let them do it if it didn’t come with price tag of loss of freedom and thought.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125010133/can-the-rift-be-healed-beneath-the-tension-in-the-new-zealandaustralia-relationship
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May 29, 2021 1:38pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/1gKtLhyKJdM/

BLM Founder Quits.

The co-founder of Black Lives Matter resigns as Support for BLM collapses! In this video, we’re going to look at the embarrassing scandal that precipitated this founder’s resignation, how such scandals have utterly soiled BLM’s reputation, and why polls are finding that whites, in particular, are abandoning their support for BLM in droves. [13:36]
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May 29, 2021 1:53pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  She got the money she came for.
  
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  May 29, 2021 6:39pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVRqlCyvfmg

Facebook Insider Morgan Kahmann joins Tucker Carlson to discuss leaked ‘Vaccine Hesitancy’ documents.

Wow! Lies, and hypocrisy from FB. Who’d have thunk it? [4:08]
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May 29, 2021 1:54pm
MrTips

Scary stuff. This would however offer useful alternatives for law enforcement sans explosives?
https://www.rt.com/news/525111-libya-killer-drone-attack/
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May 29, 2021 1:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sen Rand Paul grills Fauci on Wuhan Lab funding. Fauci lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIyMnVWYrwk
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May 29, 2021 1:56pm
- Pharmachick
  
  This is where you and I diverge Steve O… Tony Fauci is a prince of a man, an amazing scientist, a great administrator and a public servant in the true sense of the word.
  
  My fondest hope is that the new Scripps mRNA vaccine that just *sailed* through a Phase I clinical trial for HIV/AIDS likewise completes the Phase II/III trial with efficacy and safety. (When I read the Phase I report, I cried. But then its not like I did a whole PhD on preventing maternal/fetal HIV transmission or anything). Then maybe Tony can finally retire, fulfilled and happy; his life’s work done.
  
  Aside: I think DG is about to turn up and spank me for over use of parentheses in the last few weeks.
  
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  May 29, 2021 2:04pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    PS SteveO I am NOT yourvdownticker, you know I hardly ever do that.
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why is Fauci continuously flip flopping? Controlled by China maybe?
    
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    May 29, 2021 2:43pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Pharmachick, he has lied repeatedly about funding the GOF research in Wuhan though, and he has definitely been involved in allowing that funding to slip around the fairly strict rules against such funding.
    
    The exception i the ban is based on “national security interests”, and one has to really wonder what pressing Nat Sec interests were served by having research on making viruses more lethal in a Chinese laboratory with links to the Chinese military (kind of unfair maybe, all such facilities in China have such links and probably, many in the US have links to the US military).
    
    I do think his conflicts of interest in being involved with the funding that quite likely triggered the whole pandemic (jury is out, I know, but the possibility is very real) has distorted his thinking and led him to give relatively poor advice.
    
    And be interested on your comments re this transcription: https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/DrMcCulloughC19OutpatientTreatmnt.html
    
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    May 29, 2021 6:58pm
graham

I have just listened to the bit on Newstalk ZB that H. Upmann referred to earlier (https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/05/general_debate_29_may_2021.html#comment-2948056), where Heather Du Plessis-Allen had a woman on from the MoE talking about the school which closed for a gang members’ tangi.

When this woman said that the school could open on a Saturday to make up for the days lost, I noted that Heather reacted exactly as I would have. She actually laughed out loud at this woman’s ridiculous statement.

I also noticed that the woman said the school was closed for four and a half days – I thought it was reported as two days. This gets worse and worse.
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May 29, 2021 2:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can imagine the teachers/kaiako will be pleased to learn that they have to come back to teach on a Saturday…. or have they just had a couple of days’ unpaid leave docked from their salary?
  
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  May 29, 2021 3:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    Why didn’t they just have the tangi on the weekend instead?
    
    Problem solved.
    
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    May 29, 2021 3:27pm
    - fernglas
      
      They did. It was 4 days long so rolled into Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday was cleaning up day.
      
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      May 29, 2021 5:55pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks fernglas.
        
        FFS.
        
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        May 29, 2021 6:53pm
- MCos
  
  We were driving out in the back of beyond somewhere once and stopped for some reason that escapes me now.
  A woman came walking down the road from a nearby country school & we got talking. Turned out she was English and as part of the deal to score a job in NZ was required to work where she was told for an initial period of time.
  So here she was & couldn’t wait to move on.
  She said alongside the school were stockyards and whenever all the local cockies turned up for a sale the school had to close for the duration due to the disruption.
  I’m not familiar enough will these things to know how often this might occur, but school being suspended for local culture sometimes flys under the radar.
  
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  May 29, 2021 3:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well done MCos. Watch out for the knocks from those on your side who do not get your satire.
    But well done.
    
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    May 29, 2021 4:16pm
    - MCos
      
      No satire involved.
      I’ll explain.
      Some people are getting fired up because kids at some primary lost a couple of days school. (As if they care)
      I’m suggesting there’s other school closures you never even hear about.
      And then of course, in the good old days, some parents took their kids out of school for family holidays overseas when the fares were cheaper.
      
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      May 29, 2021 6:52pm
Tony Stuart

Rod Emmerson’s cartoon in the Herald today portraying David Shearer as a goat is not his best piece of work. Using the “f@#king goat” girl to score political points is pretty low-rent IMHO.

https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1398437365396295686
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May 29, 2021 2:49pm
cha

Surprising Repugs declined to support an investigation that could reveal Antifa’s role in sparking the insurrection fake news blamed on Trump supporters.
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May 29, 2021 3:00pm
- Mike
  
  It’s almost as if they feared an open inquiry would point the finger in an inconvenient direction.
  
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  May 29, 2021 6:06pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Maybe because the proposed investigation would specifically NOT do that, nor question Nancy Pelosi why she went against advice and refused to have additional security present.
  
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  May 29, 2021 6:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So when will the media ask Pelosi’ why?’
    
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    May 30, 2021 8:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

ACT’s submission on the NZ History Curriculum

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/actnz/pages/3398/attachments/original/1621984465/ACT_New_Zealand_submission_on_Aotearoa_New_Zealand%E2%80%99s_Histories_in_the_New_Zealand_Curriculum_FINAL.pdf?1621984465
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May 29, 2021 3:05pm
Inandout

Why bother threatening Joe, just wait around until he drops off.
https://news.yahoo.com/man-charged-threatening-kill-president-110625146.html
Trump was death threatened by all manner of people from Hollywood actors to Democrats.
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May 29, 2021 3:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Newshub Poll

Is NZ too cosy with China?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/have-your-say-is-new-zealand-too-cosy-with-china.html

Running at 75%: 25% at the moment
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May 29, 2021 3:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden Train – full steam ahead with the ‘cancel culture’ Scroll past those with TDS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw-UUh-_JPM
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May 29, 2021 3:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Some folks are slow learners..
Another arrest for threatening to kill one of our MPs

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300319952/man-arrested-after-alleged-threats-against-mp-simeon-brown

It would be good to see some senior members of our Government speaking out against the threats this MP is receiving.
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May 29, 2021 5:21pm
- fernglas
  
  It shows how emboldened gang apologists or members are becoming if they feel able to threaten death to MP’s who are doing their job. That mentality is being enabled by people like the fools who allowed the school to be shut down for a Mongrel Mob tangi and then seemed surprised that the guests misbehaved. To then cast criticism of the decision as racist is pathetic deflection.
  If you run a kura in Flaxmere, you know the Mob, you know their ethos and to give them any support at all is just pandering to a thuggish criminal organisation whose influence in Te Ao Maori is disproportionately malevolent and destructive.
  
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  May 29, 2021 6:04pm
- greybeard
  
  It would be good to see a photo of this person, and his name.
  We have Simeon Brown’s details, why not those of the person who threatened him ?
  
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  May 29, 2021 6:08pm
Happychappy

Tova O’Brien screws stories out of Jamie Lee Ross in 2019 which resulted in him being expelled from the National Party and a vendetta from Tova O’Brien and many other Journalists from the media to stir hatred and wind the public up against Simon Bridges to remove him from opposition leader , has resulted in the Three News political leading Journalist landing second place in the Political Voyager- award.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2021/05/newshub-takes-out-voyager-media-awards-for-best-coverage-of-major-event-best-reporting-social-issues.html
It’s funny how sexual exploitation is mistaken for Journalism.
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May 29, 2021 5:32pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  2 more words to add
  PETER……DUNNE
  
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  May 29, 2021 6:48pm
RW Capitalist

I see one TV1 they are listing all the things that Australia did to us.
In the questioning of our friendship.
But no mention of Chris Hipkins interference if Australian politics, with regard to the citizenship problems they were having.
He got involved on behalf of the Australian Labor party.
1. prior to the 2017 election
2. Prior to him being in Govt. and therefore illegal to be embroiled in foreign affairs of state.
This is where the mistrust by Australia toward us started.
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May 29, 2021 6:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So when will the media ask Pelosi’ why?’
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- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ignore-wrong place
  
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