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Tony Stuart

Judith Collins and Chris Bishop will release National’s Opening Up Covid plan at 10am this morning. If you want to watch it live-streamed, go here: https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS
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December 29, 2020 9:03am
PhilBest

Do Kiwibloggers remember Milo Yiannopoulos?

He is an example of just how effectively Big Tech can vaporize someone from the internet.

I picked up some startling news about him from a podcast discussion between two people who know Milo.

Milo always called himself “the dangerous faggot” – he was very publicly gay but repudiated all ideas of “intersectionality”, and was a devastating provocateur against progressive hypocrisy and self-contradiction.

The startling news is that more than a year ago he had a drastic repentance experience precipitated by the signs of the times, and foreswore his gayness, in which stand he has been maintained since. He writes and Vlogs for “Church Militant” and takes very clear ground about fundamental Christian teachings on sin, vice, repentance, forgiveness, sanctification and so on.

Who saw that coming??
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September 29, 2021 8:01am
- Scott
  
  Interesting comments Phil Best. I have been wondering what happened to Milo? It seems that now that he is not gay he has been de-platformed. He just doesn’t show up in search engines anymore.
  
  But he can be found if you look hard enough. He has thrown off gayness and decided to embrace Christianity in the form of Catholicism.
  
  He has some very unfashionable views. That men who have sex with other men and then adopt children are playacting and living a lie.
  https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/gay-adoption-is-just-one-more-lie-homosexuals-tell
  
  Of course our Prime Minister would say he is now terrible. We know this because she wants anyone who wants to go down that path, from gayness to Christianity, to be arrested. Or at least anyone who provides counselling and solace to such person to be arrested. It appears that going from gayness to Christianity is going to be a crime.
  
  However I would suggest that eventually the truth will win.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:44am
  - Yvette
    
    Scott – He just doesn’t show up in search engines anymore.
    
    At the risk of serious down-ticking–
    Milo Yiannopoulos – Google – About 603,000 results (0.40 seconds)
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:20am
    - PhilBest
      
      That’s about his old activity though, isn’t it? I gave up months ago trying to find any new stuff he might have posted.
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:32am
    - Scott
      
      Fair point Yvette.
      But I would suggest that de platforming is more subtle than that. He won’t appear in your Facebook feed so often. He won’t come up on Instagram so often. His views on things will not come up on your searches unless you specifically put in his name.
      
      The social media giants have done that for some years. People they approve of will appear in your social media a lot more than people they disapprove of.
      
      Similarly with Google, if I google Donald Trump I will get unfavourable news about him from sites like the Washington post and the New York Times. Now I never go to the New York Times and the Washington post for my news. But google will always suggest those sites in my search results.
      
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      September 29, 2021 10:24am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        Milo is very active on GAB, he may no longer be gay but he still revels in his bitchieness and is a great follow.
        
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        September 29, 2021 10:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Milo shows readily on the Brave browser with the Qwant web searcher.
      Speedy & private.
      
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      September 29, 2021 10:58am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Scott. Milo has always been Catholic and tried to rationalise his Faith with his lifestyle – he had a live in partner.
      But he came to the realisation that the homosexual lifestyle is incompatible with Christianity and chose the correct path, that of following Christ & His Church. I actually saw the interview some time back when he renounced hid lifestyle.
      He admits he still has same sex attraction, but is not acting on it as he previously was. God bless him. He’s certainly put a lot of noses out of joint.
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:56am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Scott, he was de-platformed at least 4 years ago. Someone dug up a clip of him when much younger, of him making comment about pedophillia by Catholic priests and endorsing sex with boys as young as 13 and he was pretty much cancelled. By Breitbart and most conservative groups as well. Phil is correct, he was a devastating provocateur, but not many knew where he stood on say, taxes, globalisation etc. As long as you understood this, he was great (and funny) to watch jabbing at the left leaning media who interviewed him!
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:20am
  - curry4me
    
    Scott: Thanks for the link. I’d wondered what happened to him.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:30pm
- James Stephenson
  
  I don’t think we can give Big Tech all the credit for Milo’s banishment from public view. However clumsily he was trying to articulate his own experience, saying that there was a positive side to an underage boy in a gay relationship with an older man was something that a lot of people needed no help in rejecting him for.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:44am
- Sacha
  
  I always enjoyed watching him, and was disappointed when he stopped commenting. I can’t believe that he is happy in his denial of his true self, but we all live the lives we choose.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:57am
  - Batman
    
    Or he was never really gay and is basically a performance artist troll?
    
    Who knows with that guy.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:08am
    - westernScientest
      
      Im not sure his gayness was a troll, but he is definitely a performance artist, and a troll.
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:22am
      - Batman
        
        Yeah I’m more inclined to say the gayness was real and nothing else was. Sociopathic narcissists will do things that appear very strange to the rest of us
        
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        September 29, 2021 9:26am
  - westernScientest
    
    Why assume that his true self is not the devout catholic?
    
    He did an interview with JBP about 2 years ago, which is worth watching.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:19am
  - NoFax
    
    I think you need to understand the position of the Catholic Church in regards to same sex attraction as it is more subtle than you think. For Catholics, homosexual thoughts are not sinful and neither is a person a sinner if their preference is predominately homosexual. The sin comes in what a person does with that.
    
    Sexual acts are orderly only if they occur within marriage and opened to life. All sexuality is disordered in some way as it is not always directed to the good – some more than others. Many people with same sex attraction live chaste lives and are very happy. That’s not about denying who a person is but rather choosing the good and, therefore, being free.
    
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    September 29, 2021 10:45am
    - oldfella
      
      I’m sure we all remember a National Party minister a couple of years back who was upfront in admitting he was gay, but chose to be celibate? Didn’t seem to be a problem for him or anyone else.
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:39am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes, he was well known in the Catholic community, and chose to live a chaste life.
        
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        September 29, 2021 4:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      NoFax on Catholicism: …Many people with same sex attraction live chaste lives and are very happy.
      
      If homosexuals haven’t tried homosexual sex, can they make a rational choice on whether they would be happier without it?
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:53am
      - Okahu
        
        Top question! And should we, could we extend that thought to say those prohibited drugs with less danger to society of the individual user than say alcohol?
        
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        September 29, 2021 4:59pm
      - NoFax
        
        Jack5 – I think your question is revealing as it shows our society is obsessed with sex. However, to counter your point take the example of someone getting married. He could choose woman A or woman B. Has he not made a rational choice because he never married woman B? To choose one means to exclude the other and that at times means not even trying the other. I would still see that as a rational choice.
        
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        September 29, 2021 5:42pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Correct, NoFax. The sin is not in the same-sex-attraction disposition – the sin is acting on it.
      
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      September 29, 2021 12:01pm
  - Scott
    
    Sacha that is the question? What is our true self?Is it defined by our sexuality?
    We would say that your true self is found in your relationship with God. The most important part of us is the spiritual , not the sexual.
    We come to our true self in our relationship with Christ.Milos is now home.
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:26am
- Random T Person
  
  Oh please man Milo is all about attention for Milo and preaching to others, no matter the content of the sermon.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:54pm
Warren

Haha another of Grant Roberson and Labours jokes especially when you look at the past record of making things work.
Look at housing , health, mental health, tourism and many more failures by this Government and you realize that this is just another of Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister’s catch phrase’s that has cost thousands to con the taxpayer who foots the bill .
“We need to make Vaccination Pasports work ” is the cry from Grant Robertson our Deputy PM. So just like the editorial says vaccine passports are on the horizon so deal with it Grant Robertson says Robertson has confirmed the Government wants- the passports- a actually digital or printed certificate that the holder has been Covid Vaccinated- to be available by early November.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126516256/we-need-to-make-vaccination-passports-work
This could do so much to energize the suffering avent history and hospitality venues, it holds particular promise as a no inconsiderable incentive for young people who feature in the lowest uptake of vaccines to have their jab.
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September 29, 2021 8:07am
- Paulus
  
  It is becoming obvious that we need a new Government as the current one is on runout and up to their neck in muck and cannot stop digging.
  We are the laugh of the world currently.
  How sad !
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:40am
- stroker08
  
  Every business in NZ should go on strike and refuse to pay it’s next round of tax obligations and any ensuing penalties. Let’s see the IRD prosecute tens of thousands of business at once and let this despicable sham of a government squirm under the same cashflow stress our businesses are enduring.
  Mass resistance is needed ASAP.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Good solution to the media bribery and illegitimacy now of the gulliblement.
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:03am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….COP26

No wonder James Shaw is quietly crapping himself 😀

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1442919538618552322
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September 29, 2021 8:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  One James Shaw was enough to cause embarrassment.
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:05am
- oldfella
  
  @maggie: So, what Greta’s really saying is, ‘Jacinda Ardern, blah, blah, blah.’
  Good to hear someone articulating what most of us already think.
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:42am
- rouppe
  
  Well Greta has been years of blah blah blah as well…
  
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  September 29, 2021 12:10pm
Jibber NO Jabber

The chance of dying with Covid is 0.026.
The chance of being hit by an Asteroid is 0.046.
Ditch the vaccine, buy a helmet. ? ?
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September 29, 2021 8:10am
- Master Mariner
  
  “Ditch the vaccine, buy a helmet. ”
  
  Or live in a cave which is the way we are going.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:48am
- MCos
  
  Funnily enough I was just discussing with my wife about a bloke who was hit by a meteorite right in the market where her sister has a shop.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:56am
- Keep on
  
  Without sounding like a killjoy, this is incorrect. The chance of being hit by an asteroid is roughly 1 in 250,000 or 0.0004%. The case fatality rate for COVID is much higher and changes with context. Still, please buy a helmet ?
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:59am
  - Michael Johnston
    
    Based on current NZ data, the case fatality rate of delta COVID seems to be about one in a thousand or 0.1%. So yes, much more likely than being struck by a meteorite, but hardly the black death or a threat worth sacrificing our liberty and prosperity for.
    
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    September 29, 2021 10:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The chance of being hit by an asteroid is roughly 1 in 250,000, is that what you’re asserting?
    
    Let’s do some maths – there are approximately 7.8 billion people alive right now. If each has a 1 in 250,000 chance of being hit by an asteroid, that means 31,200 people alive today will be hit by an asteroid. I call BS on that claim.
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:38am
    - Keep on
      
      Haha, well said Loddenthinks.
      
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      September 29, 2021 2:45pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      As far I’m aware, no one has been recorded as being killed by a meteorite. Although apparently a small dog was struck and killed near Cairo about a century ago.
      
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      September 29, 2021 7:04pm
kowtow

I’ve seen quite a few accounts of the fuel shortage in the UK due to “driver shortage” which of course is a Brexit consequence .

Why didn’t the petrol stations run dry months ago.

What the Media Pardy are not telling you is because it’s actually all down to the eco fascists continually blocking the M25 .

This caused some localised shortages of fuel in the south east .The Media Pardy picked that up , amplified it , set off “panic buying ” and there’s the crisis .

But the Media Party won’t report their crucial roll in the crisis , just like with Wuflu and indeed cliamte catastrophism.
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September 29, 2021 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  kowtow, this ‘Hubnut’ video of him looking for petrol in Wales is a giggle.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nJZRUgi4Mg
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:48am
- Jack5
  
  Good feature on British truck driver problem on Al Jazeera tonight.
  
  It’s not just drivers who are in short supply. British trucking firms can’t get truck mechanics. European countries are also short of truck drivers.
  
  It’s a vocational problem in the West. Young people don’t aspire to tradie-level jobs.
  
  It’s not just wages, an industry watcher said. It’s conditions. For example, regulations force drivers to park up and rest, but there are far too few places and facilities where the drivers can park for this.
  
  Media coverage has triggered panic among petrol consumers, and apparently this may soon apply to supermarket goods, whose delivery is under pressure.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:16pm
Northshoredoc

Can someone potter down to Newtown today and remove Michael Baker’s phone and computer and lock him in his office for a couple of weeks.
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September 29, 2021 8:15am
- pdm
  
  Great idea but a bit far from Hastings.
  
  I wonder if my friend (whom I have never met) Biscuit will deputise
  for me.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:43am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I’ll swim over Cook Strait and do it.
    Won’t be enough scary diesel for the ferries soon anyway.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:01am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Where did the Invisible Man leave his cloak? You can mute the sound but not the visual!
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:11am
- alex Masterley
  
  Good idea Doc, but I don’t think it would wash when I suggest to the gate-keepers at Auckland’s southern boundaries as I try to drive south that doing such is an esential service.
  
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  September 29, 2021 10:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Some of Neil Ferguson’s spaghetti Fortran coding could help with his feeding.
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:08am
Master Mariner

A perfect storm in Asia and Europe regarding Energy security.

China has a serious shortage of Coal mainly due to Lack of Australian Coal and Factory reduced operations and then UK and Europe with shortage of Gas etc.

https://gcaptain.com/container-shippings-latest-shock-blackouts-in-china/
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-European-Energy-Crisis-Is-About-To-Go-Global.html

Along with increasing Freight rates world wide.
https://fbx.freightos.com/

Oil prices are predicted by OPEC to further increase due to lack of under investment.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/OPEC-Sees-Global-Oil-Demand-Growing-Until-2035.html

Question, How is NZ energy security Panning out ?
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September 29, 2021 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  New Zealand is different. Petroleum is evil. We are going to run the country on 100 percent renewable energy. We don’t need to worry about petrol and gas and coal. Apparantly.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:22am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Hi BY, Yes it really makes my mind Boggle.
    
    No “transition” into Gas to Really reduce Co2, All “smoke and Mirrors” along with Micky Mouse announcements.
    
    Trying to understand ETS and put in the “too hard basket” as far as Im concerned. Does’nt appear to be reducing Co2 anytime soon.
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:34am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      ETS just another investment option for those with some loose cash hanging around. Got nothing to do with Co2 reduction the way it’s being applied.
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:16am
  - Blackbob
    
    We have Unicorns, so all good.
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:37am
    - Sacha
      
      And I’ve got a couple of horses – just need a cart and I’ll be all set.
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:02am
      - hullkiwi
        
        …and push…
        
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        September 30, 2021 8:19pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Those unicorns fart rainbows, so even better…
      
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      September 29, 2021 10:23am
  - Yvette
    
    Benedict Yu – We are going to run the country on 100 percent renewable energy.
    
    32.6 more Benmores
    … if New Zealand’s complete fossil fuel consuming vehicle fleet converts to electric will require 32.6 more dams with the output of Benmore, while just one dam on the Westcoast has been declined, despite up-coming “energy darling”, hydrogen, will also be made using electricity, although the rest of the world produces it from natural gas, which Taranaki has under their feet …
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:40am
    - RoboRob
      
      We need to do two things.
      1: sort the RMA so that (hydro) power stations can be built again.
      2: Build nuclear power in the North Island (because its close to demand and the south has the majority of the hydro)
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:04am
      - Jack5
        
        It isn’t just the RMA that inhibits new hydro power stations.
        
        Unlike Norway, which exports hydro power, NZ doesn’t have anywhere near enough big valleys that can be used for dam-controlled storage.
        
        That’s what the “Lake Onslow” pumped hydro storage plan for Otago is about, and that would be a gamble.
        
        Nuclear power is the obvious answer for Auckland, though. Just don’t build it above any of the 53 volcanoes that Auckland city sits on.
        
        Lake Onslow:
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/massive-hydro-storage-plan-at-central-otago-lake-to-be-reassessed/QM3PLTXTXCC7ALCXWYDWWI4USY/
        
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        September 29, 2021 11:38am
  - Paulus
    
    A big Coal ship from Indonesia appears to be in Tauranga at present.
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:41am
    - westernScientest
      
      only one?
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:25am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    No Benedict, we are not going to run the country on renewable energy. We are going to run it on air and the smug self importance of the Labour and Green Parties.
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:49am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Certainly an inexhaustible supply
      
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      September 29, 2021 7:06pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Poms are trying to do that too. Oh dear, no fuel!
    Meanwhile researchers are announcing almost daily new energy opportunities.
    Electricity (electron flow) seems to be the future.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:07am
    - PhilBest
      
      I see a classic “unintended consequences” connection between energy policy that has driven prices up, and Covid impact.
      
      This is that rest homes keep their indoors cosy because they don’t want the oldies getting a chill. Somewhere in the balance of ventilation and heating, the more expensive that heating is, the more that ventilation will be sacrificed.
      
      The below is relevant reading
      
      https://www.maurice.nl/2020/08/05/strong-evidence-of-the-effect-of-ventilation-on-the-spread-of-covid-19-in-nursing-home/
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:38am
  - david
    
    Yep, unicorn farts are definitely the way of the future. Have you ever smelled one ? No? Well, that just goes to show how pure they are.
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:30am
- KiWombat
  
  We are already in trouble, whenever dad comes home from work and puts the Tesla on charge, you will see Huntly power station having to shovel in more coal just to keep the lights on !
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:24am
  - Flossie
    
    Or, heaven forbid, we could wonder what will happen when Mum comes home from work and plugs in her car!
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:01am
- G152
  
  Just maybe the Chinese economic war with Aussie wasn’t their best idea ????
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:29am
  - NoCash
    
    Well… the US definitely doesn’t mind the fallout between China and Australia, as China has imported 4 times more coal from the US in 2021 compared to 2020.
    
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    September 29, 2021 12:18pm
    - [email protected]
      
      Aljazeera says China’s uptake of coal from the USA is up 7 fold. Don’t know the time span however. China also buying coal from S. Africa causing shortages in Europe so Europe is buying from Australia! I appears that the Chinese boycotting Australian coal ended up not hurting Australia.
      
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      September 29, 2021 1:54pm
- Master Mariner
  
  If Anyones is interested about the severe under investment in Oil and Gas then look here ( Put to 5 years).
  https://oilprice.com/rig-count
  
  The real shortage in the Industry is actually skilled people to operate due to “Cold Stacking” and “Decommissioning” of Rigs.
  
  Much the same way , why I’m against Decommissioning Marsden Point in NZ and NZ Oil and Gas Industry.
  Once the skills are gone then impossible to retrain again without large expense in Time and Costs.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Delays leave gaps in supply. Cashflow in business feeds owners and staff. Stuffing up operations by not ensuring supplies further affects tax flows t00. Only a soundly managed market driven economy can provide for a secure future.
    
    It’s a pity Jacinda did not own a fishnchipper, not just work in one. She would have had a much greater understanding of how many businesses struggle to survive and many employees actually get paid more than the owners.
    Has MBIE turned into a bunch of waiata chanters and put economic admin in the too hard basket?
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:22am
- Nickc2
  
  Could this be the crisis that tips Cindy over the edge? I hope so.
  Open up Huntly Coal, rescind the anti Oil and Gas legislation and open up Marsden Point for refining again whilst preserving all petroleum storage facilities ASAP before the proverbial hits the fan.
  That’ll make James Shaw burn his Bible and head for the nearest Brothel.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:47am
  - RoboRob
    
    All would make sense but unfortunately too late now. Our best bet would be to move to Nuclear ASAP. It is the silver bullet for climate change (that the Greens / Media / activists all conveniently ignore. It would also give us stable and cheap baseline power.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:01am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It’s not big nuclear either where the action is. There are big planners but they have been overtaken by other active workers world wide. Curious affects have been discovered with the hydrogen atom re-arranging its structure with the release of a significant quantity of energy.
      
      That is presently being captured three ways, all yielding electricity as potential output. I expect new homes to be fitted with 2oKw small power plants within 10 years. They may not need refuelling. Larger units are close to market release for cars.
      Oil will still be needed as a feedstock for chemical production.
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:43am
    - Nickc2
      
      Nuclear – LET’S DO THAT!
      
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      September 29, 2021 2:58pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I enjoy the way that New Zealand politicians tie themselves in knots over petrol prices. Increasing petrol prices would be the easiest way to reduce transport emissions. But they know they can’t do it because despite what people saying about caring about climate change, when it comes to them personally, really they don’t. At least that’s what I conclude based on the record sales of large SUVs and Ford Rangers just now.
    
    So instead the Government taxes people and does “stuff” to address climate change. It would be much easier to tax them less and make them pay more for petrol.
    
    A nightmare political storm in New Zealand – COVID going wild and $3 per litre petrol. See how “be kind” copes with that. 🙂
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:05am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Petrol prices are self knotting. Most of the charge is for TAX.
      Adding to that always irritates.
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:44am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      A point I’ve been making for years, together with the even nastier point that it’s actually rich pricks like me who care about poorer people, since all this shit won’t affect me much ($20/litre means emptier roads for me 🙂 ) but will screw them into the ground in places like South Auckland.
      
      Amazing how many Middle Class rich pricks I know who push this stuff and proudly vote Green or trumpet Labour’s stand on AGW reduction. Their fellow Greenies and Labourites without their assets and income have no idea they’re about to be screwed.
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:48am
- RoboRob
  
  Lol, thanks for the info. The media are reporting the power shut downs in China as intentionally planned to help combat climate change. Makes much more sense when you realise they are running out of coal.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:59am
  - NoCash
    
    Definitely not for reducing emissions. On the other hand though, exporting inflation due to the sky rocketing commodities prices, which have been driven by the relentless money printing of the world reserve currency.
    
    Laugh all you want now, we’re all going to suffer.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:59am
  - notreadyet
    
    I understand they are shutting down a lot of pollution around the main cities in and areas where the winter games are being held next year in an effort to clear the air and look good in front of world media
    
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    September 29, 2021 10:45am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The container rates are through the roof. 60 ships anchored off Long Beach and others parked in various anchorages or drifting off shore.
  
  120 ships off the Major PRC Ports. MSC buying up box boats as fast as they can and short to medium term charters US$100k pd.
  
  Baltic Dry Index UP and a shortage of Handy sized bulkers.
  
  Tanker market down but tankers being scrapped so the rates will increase,
  
  Cruise sector en le merde as the French would say!!!
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Fear factor is in full swing…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/coronavirus-judith-collins-urges-govt-to-adopt-national-s-covid-plan-admits-it-could-result-in-deaths.html

Newshub is quick off the mark to ascribe deaths to National’s Plan to open up the country.

Folks seem to have forgotten last year’s Covid deaths when Ardern’s Government was slow to issue PPPE gear and test/isolate incoming folk from countries where the virus was rampant.
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September 29, 2021 8:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Drives me nuts. Of course people will die from COVID. How are you going to stop it?
  
  This is in a country where we deliberately decide to not fund drugs that are funded in most OECD countries, hence making some people die who could be saved.
  
  New Zealanders have gone mad.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:26am
  - Blackbob
    
    Nobody ever dies, what are you on?….
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:39am
  - PhilBest
    
    And the poorer we make ourselves with economic Hara-Kiri, the shorter the list will get in future, of druags and treatments we DO fund.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:40am
  - Frank the tank
    
    But we already knew that.
    
    Years from now New Zimbabwe will be the focus in a number of PHD studies into modern day propaganda application.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  As of 9:09 am the announcement is still scheduled for 10am.
  Newshub, a govt subsidised fauxnews channel, is making it up again.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:11am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    will Tova get the first question, the bookies want me to pay them. Tova is pay me, you old fool.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:22am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Link headline.
  “Coronavirus: Judith Collins urges Govt to adopt National’s COVID plan, admits it could result in deaths”
  Can’t see anything in the article that points out that speakers at the Podium in the last week odd have inferred that their new “sustainable management” strategy could have same outcome. Think wording has been along lines of “minimise ” unacceptable outcomes.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:29am
Tony Stuart

Barry Soper’s not going to be getting an invitation to the First Wedding next year:

This Government is running out of fingers to plug the holes in the dyke.

Observe the body language of the Prime Minister and it’s obvious to me at least the pressure she’s under. She was fidgeting with her face mask to such an extent in Parliament’s debating chamber yesterday that the audio had static.

It’s as though the stable door’s been ripped off its hinges and the horse is nowhere in sight. Everyone’s being caught by surprise, with the Government being about as transparent as a brick wall.

Take the past 24 hours for example.

No doubt reeling from the latest One News-Colmar Brunton opinion poll, where Labour’s
ratings have shed 10 per cent in less than a year, even though it remains on a relatively respectable 43 per cent, it won’t be happy.

The Covid cushion is losing its stuffing. Lockdowns usually sees the party getting a sympathetic bump in the polls from a frightened, insecure public. But with one death in 1185 cases in the current outbreak, it isn’t creating the climate of fear that they’ve relied on.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-barry-soper-labour-looks-rattled-and-pms-under-pressure/B7PTZL6XVH6ZQD4UGDIBMG5KPY/

It’s not just the PM in the firing line; both Kris Faafoi and Nanaia Mahuta cop a Soper serve. And Soper points out that we only found out that Damian O’Connor headed overseas on a trade mission yesterday when the news of his trip was tweeted by the United States’ charge d’affaires Kevin Covert (what an ironic name, given our own government’s boasts of transparency!).

Soper has also pointed out the word’s out that the PM is heading overseas later in the year; will she have to go into a lottery for an MIQ spot like the thousands on Kiwis stranded overseas by her government’s policies? Don’t be silly…
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September 29, 2021 8:27am
- Blackbob
  
  Ah! that explains the upcoming “Isolate at home” experiment later this year.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You might very well think that, but I couldn’t possibly comment!
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And what a pointless little experiment that will prove to be… completely unrepresentative of most folks’ living/housing circumstances.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/126509413/home-isolation-pilot-for-business-travellers-warrants-high-quality-enforcement
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:14am
    - cmm
      
      Now that the terrorist bloke has been shot there are 20 more cops with surveillance skills available.
      
      Maybe they will park a cop outside 150 houses.
      
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      September 29, 2021 10:15am
    - marcw
      
      Remember the experiment when covid vaccination was being centrally planned – all vaccinators had to undergo a special training course, including a “cultural sensitivity” component? Control, control, control. Even if you were a qualified nurse or Doctor, this was still a requirement. What has happened to all this waste of time and money now? The mantra has changed to “vaccination is imperative” and all health professionals are suddenly qualified.
      
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      September 29, 2021 10:26am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Will Mike get an invite, on Hosking this morning
  Happy to take questions
  Tova, Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova ,Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova,
  Tova, Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova ,Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova,
  Tova, Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova ,Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova,
  Tova, Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova ,Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova,
  Tova, Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova ,Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova,
  Tova, Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova ,Jessica, Tova, Jessica, Tova,
  To give Jacinda her dues, she doesn’t need a piece of paper like sleepy Joe to know who is asking the prepared questions.
  I guess these two names are fried in her brain after repeating them hundreds of times.
  I am so happy these people are the most open government ever.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Our dear PM could save time and run the 2 names together….
    Je’ova
    or Tossa
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:16am
    - Flossie
      
      Particularly loving your second option!
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:50am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I think Mike and Katie were struck from the invitation list some time ago.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:17am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Noticed that in the last week or two the RE-WRAP’s co-host (Glen) has been trying to provide balance(?) to Mike’s cutting comments. Not working for me. Sarc’ s not short and sharp enough like one contributor’s comments on this blog.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:45am
- Sacha
  
  ” with one death in 1185 cases in the current outbreak”
  And how many of those 1185 had any symptoms whatsoever?
  And a positive PCR whizz test is quite likely false.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:09am
RockyJ

People who describe Jacinda Ardern and her government as Communists are wrong. In reality they are Nazis.
Both Communists and Nazis believed in centralised state control. But whereas Communism is the dictatorship of the proletariat, Nazism is the dictatorship of a race.
Mahuta’s push to implement Three Waters over widespread opposition will lead to the central state using force to assert its authority over the people. This is just the beginning. As public resistance builds the focus of Maori caucus discussions will be “how to deal with the pakeha problem”. I suspect that the Maori caucus holds the real power.
Don’t forget that Hitler used democracy to attain power.
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September 29, 2021 8:28am
- Blackbob
  
  Communism and Nazi/Fascism are two sides of the same coin, the methods and end result is always the same.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:43am
  - PhilBest
    
    Hitler summed it up himself: “why nationalize the means of production when you can nationalize the people themselves”?
    
    It is one of the most absurd and dishonest things in politics, that people of the Left claim fascism is “the opposite to them” rather than just slightly differing in mere academic details from Communism, and actually featuring considerable overlap with all common features of socialist governments everywhere.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:45am
- pdm
  
  Rocky J
  
  Can they not be Communists and Nazi.
  They act like both.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:54am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Communists – International Socialists
    Nazis – National Socialists.
    
    Given that Jacinda & Co are intent on isolating us from the world to be the perfect Covid-free (investment-free, tourist-free…) “paradise”, I’d say that makes them the latter.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:29am
  - PhilBest
    
    Fascists let people own stuff and keep income and profits. On strict sufferance, they can take anything any time.
    
    Communist governments explicitly own all property and capital and direct how it is to be used.
    
    That’s pretty much the difference. They are both totalitarian.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:47am
- BAM
  
  Absolutely, they’re fascists.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:04am
- Raphael
  
  People also forget that the Nazi were also Socialists.
  And that Hitler had views that are very much in line with the modern Leftists (Gun control, veganism etc.)
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:12am
  - RockyJ
    
    OMG. The similarities are truly scary. And didn’t Hitler do a little dance when France surrendered? Just like Jacinda did a little dance when she thought we had “eliminated” Covid last year!
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:19am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      And didn’t Hitler do a little dance when France surrendered?
      
      No, he didn’t. That was some clever film editing by a propaganda unit in England.
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:51am
      - Jack5
        
        Hitler when France fell …
        
        The historian, Ian Kershaw, says Hitler first, with two old war comrades, visited Flanders, where he had fought in World War 1.
        
        Then on 28 June, 1940, Hitler paid his only visit to Paris. It lasted three hours from 5.30 am, and he was accompanied by Albert Speer and Hermann Giesler, both architects, and a sculptor, Arnor Breker.
        
        They toured the Paris Opera, visited the Madeleine Church, and looked at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, the Eiffel Tower, Napoleon’s Tomb, the Pantheon, and the church of Sacre Coeur.
        
        Kershaw notes that Speer reported that Hitler told him after the visit: “When we’re finished in Berlin, Paris will be only a shadow.”
        
        Regarding Raphael’s point: Hitler also tried to limit tobacco smoking. He banned smoking on trams, buses, and trains, and limited soldiers’ cigarette rations.
        
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        September 29, 2021 2:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Jacinda=commie; Mahuta=Maori warrior.
  
  Mahuta has tricked the PM and is now on her way to retaking control over water and land to which Maori claim spiritual attachment.
  This could lead to war among the Maori Tribes for shares (if they havn’t already been divvied up.)
  
  Pakeha are going to have to demand our money back for treaty “settlements”.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:19am
  - Paulus
    
    And taking over the new Health Authorities by making Mahuta’s sister Head of the Maori Heath Service which has overall control of both sections.
    Caveat Emptor.
    
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    September 29, 2021 1:38pm
- dime
  
  Are you saying Winston played the Kurt von Schleicher part?
  
  Best i not make a joke about this all ending with a grenade in a bunker.
  
  I think Labour get turfed in 2023.. the question is – will the next govt roll back all of their crap? If ACT get 15%, I say yes.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:51am
- Clyde
  
  RockyJ, don’t suspect that the maori caucus holds the real power – its a fact. We are already a long long way down the road to apartheid.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:14pm
dime

Herald Headline:

“Expert says ‘very resistant’ tail puts level 2 in Auckland next week in doubt”

Allow me to translate

“”expert” very resistant to covid ending and him having to go back to obscurity”
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September 29, 2021 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  dime, the economic and mental destruction of lockdowns are glaringly obvious. If only governments could be sued for causing this much harm to humans.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:52am
- Libertarians are right
  
  By “very resistant tail” they’re actually saying “criminal gangs and overstayers who refuse to do the right thing”.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:00am
  - dime
    
    What if we gave each gang $3 million? Say its for a community program to get people vaccinated? We never audit or check the work..
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:10am
Benedict Yu

That scientist with the pink hair is madly posting every criticism she can find of John Key’s Herald opinion piece on COVID.

https://twitter.com/SiouxsieW?s=09

She is hopelessly compromised as a scientist because of her blatant political bias. I would not believe a word she says.
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September 29, 2021 8:31am
- doggone7
  
  Pink hair does that. I don’t believe anything a bald person says.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:38am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Big question is who is paying for her hair dye?
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:15am
    - Jack5
      
      Oh dear …
      
      The name Siouxsie seems to be based on the name of the Sioux group of North American indigenous tribes.
      
      But what does the word “Sioux” mean? The web site linked to below it comes from the word Nadowessioux, meaning “little snakes”. That name was bestowed on the Sioux group of tribes by their rivals, the Ojibwe.
      
      Fur traders – white colonists – shortened this to “Sioux”.
      
      https://askinglot.com/what-does-the-sioux-name-mean
      
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      September 29, 2021 2:35pm
- Tricati
  
  Along with Hendy, these ‘Experts’ have been selected on their political ideology, not their Covid related knowledge or experience, and only to promote the governments will.
  When you have to attack someone else’s opinion, without promoting a cogent alternative, then you have lost the debate – Both Hendy & Wiles have lost, both their credibility and self respect.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:41am
  - Ruahine
    
    However. I guess they have kept the money.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:28am
  - PhilBest
    
    Baker, Wilson, Town and others have accepted that Covid spread is mostly by aerosols. This is the most crucial point in this whole pandemic, even though so many people don’t even know it.
    
    The WHO’s most destructive mistake was maintaining for months that it was all about contact, droplets and surfaces. They have only grudgingly accepted “a role for aerosols” in spite of all the major medical and scientific journals now saying that aerosols is the scientific orthodoxy. And they have deliberately not emphasized this in advice that is followed slavishly by their puppet public health officials in nations all around the world. It is necessary for each nation’s officials to work this out for themselves and start acting actually in the interests of their nation’s citizens.
    
    I understand that Bloomfield, Hendy and Wiles are still dug deep into the contact, droplets and surfaces “orthodoxy”, for whatever reason.
    
    Actually this “blunder” is so serious that it makes the WHO responsible for most of the deaths and the collateral damage of untargeted policies like lockdowns. That the responsible people are still in their jobs at all, is even worse than Big Finance’s top player never incurring any costs at all for their role in 2007.
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:55am
  - cmm
    
    Both she and Hendy spouted bullshit in support of Maori folklore being “science”.
    
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    September 29, 2021 10:08am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Hendy is an arse (other 4-letter words beginning with c are available)
    
    His originally modelled death toll of 80,000 (remember that?) equated to 1.6% of the NZ population
    
    Now remembering that his “tweaked model” was based on Neil Ferguson’s long-since discredited Imperial College model* we should take a look at what the IC model predicted
    
    And that was, drum-roll if you please, 500,000 deaths.
    
    So let’s get this right:
    
    In the UK, a country with a worse climate than NZ, much greater poverty than in NZ thanks to immigrant communities, a much more densely packed population than NZ, a much, much higher number of multi-generational households than NZ… Their doom-monger-in-chief was predicting 500,000 deaths in a population of 67 million (0.75% of the population)
    
    Yet somehow our [No need for personal abuse. Mod] of a modeller was predicting a death toll of more than twice that of the UK
    
    The UK has in fact had 134,000 Covid deaths (0.2%), so for Hendy to be correct NZ would have to see 8 times the death rate that the UK has – including all those nursing home deaths back in March/April 2020 and those prior to the existence of vaccines
    
    Now NZ has missed those early deaths, the second wave and the Christmas wave that the UK experienced, again all prior to vaccine availability.
    
    But let’s go back to Hendy’s 7,000 deaths. That represents a death rate of 0.14% which is 70% of that of the UK’s overall total, but… that doesn’t factor in the arrival of vaccines and the pre-vaccine deaths which represent over 90% of the total number of UK Covid deaths. So post-vaccination existence deaths are c13,000, or about twice Hendy’s magic numbers, in a population 14 times that of NZ
    
    Crudely put, to follow Hendy’s spurious and always incorrect predictions NZ would be looking at somewhere around 1,000 deaths
    
    *a model so bad that it couldn’t reliably reproduce consistent outputs from the same data and also gave differing outputs depending upon which cpu was being used to run it)
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:39am
- Taieri
  
  She has to do something. If only in lieu of scientific achievements…
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:53am
  - doggone7
    
    Compared to the the scientific achievements of the mass in places like this? Whose efforts are unquestionably in the loo?
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:18am
- Inandout
  
  BY, this article discusses hair dye entering the user’s brain.
  https://lifespa.com/hair-products-seep-brain/
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:55am
- pdm
  
  I have always thought she was a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic so nothing has changed then.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:55am
- James Stephenson
  
  Shall we run a sweepstake on what her Labour list position is next election?
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:59am
- RoboRob
  
  The same goes with Hendy. His major pre covid achievement was a paper promoting the idea that Island countries can deal with pandemics by closing the borders and isolating themselves!
  Anyone think he would ever advise against lockdowns?
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:06am
  - Paulus
    
    No list seat for Hendy – he is a male.
    
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    September 29, 2021 1:40pm
- Fletch
  
  A guy posted on Twitter that bright hair colors in women were a red flag and to stay away. He was excoriated, of course. But he has a point –
  
  Unnatural hair colors in woman are a warning signal to stay away,
  
  Its an example Aposematism-the phenomenon of poisonous animals in nature advertising their toxicity and lethality
  
  Animals like Poison arrow frogs, venomous snakes, they have bright colors and it lets other animals know to stay away from messing with them
  
  When you see a woman with red blue green purple rainbow hair, its a sign of mental illness and derangement
  
  You gentlemen want an obvious example of a redflag?
  
  It doesnt get more obvious than that
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:06am
Ra Henare

Innovation is happening in the Covid catastrophe.
Artificial Intelligence(AI) is starting to be deployed.

Greece has started using AI to decide who to test of those crossing the border in to Greece.

On May 14, Greece opened its borders in a safe and attainable manner.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04014-z_reference.pdf?tpcc=nleyeonai
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September 29, 2021 8:32am
- Ra Henare
  
  An easier to read reference.
  https://fortune.com/2021/09/28/ai-pandemic-lessons-eye-on-ai/
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:46am
dime

A 10 year brightline test?

I guess its a test and not a tax? lmao far out.

Heres the thing jacinda, when you keep printing money, having mortgage rates at 2%.. i can take the 39% tax hit on the 200k i make in 3 months and still be happy.

The Government intentionally inflated the housing market last year (wealth effect) but pretends its mad about it.
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September 29, 2021 8:33am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep dime, it is Government (local and central) that has caused house prices to rocket. It doesn’t matter how you cut it. And with inflation knocking on NZ’s door, there will be no relief, no matter how many obstacles Ardern and co. try and put in the way.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:57am
G152

Come on. Be fair.
Of course Cindy is going to join the lottery for a hotel room and add in her minions and fellow travellers.
Anything else would be hypocritical
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September 29, 2021 8:33am
Tomtoddy

Richard Prebble describes our Government’s actions as Muldoonism. Muldoon was a one-man band, controlled everything from his cabinet ministers to the price of bread. He used fear – the dancing cossacks. He borrowed and hoped. He threw money at all manner of projects – some absolutely useless. Ardern is a female version.

I was in a meeting with Muldoon in late 1983 along with a half a dozen others. We were trying to point out the huge problems that were mounting in rural New Zealand. Debt, inflation, 20% interest rates, falling prices for our produce, subsidies wrecking our hill country, despair and depression.

Muldoon lectured us about how he was an internationally recognised financier, leading Bretton Woods discussions, he knew what he was doing, and then he got angry and ordered us out.

A few months later he was gone. The wheel turned. And turn it will again.
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September 29, 2021 8:37am
- PhilBest
  
  I’d be keen to know where Prebble might be posting his opinions these days. He’d be a good fit with Basset Brash and Hide
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:57am
  - kevn
    
    @PhilB… Prebs was in the Herald this morning = ‘the government are the problem’.
    
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    September 29, 2021 12:34pm
    - PhilBest
      
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      September 29, 2021 3:46pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Unfortunately National does not have a Roger Douglas, or even a David Lange.
  
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  September 29, 2021 10:15am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Maybe…..You can bet you bottom dollar Key is at present pondering does he step back in the ring and get the band back together (Joyce etc).
    
    If Mitchell does put his hat in the ring for the Mayoralty then there is the perfect seat for him as well….
    
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    September 29, 2021 10:19am
    - RichardF
      
      I doubt that would happen. I’d love to see it though, the leftys would lose it!
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:23am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ah, happy days!
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Might be time to scrap the World Health Organization.

The commission, which examined about 80 cases of women and girls aged 13 to 43, identified 21 employees working for the UN global health body among perpetrators of serious abuses, including a number of rape allegations. According to the report, the abuse led to 29 pregnancies, with some of the perpetrators insisting the women have abortions. The report added that the WHO perpetrators included local and international staff.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/sep/28/humbled-and-heartbroken-who-finds-its-ebola-staff-abused-women-and-girls
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September 29, 2021 8:41am
- PhilBest
  
  Covid spread is mostly by aerosols. This is the most crucial point in this whole pandemic, even though so many people don’t even know it.
  
  The WHO’s most destructive mistake was maintaining for months that it was all about contact, droplets and surfaces. They have only grudgingly accepted “a role for aerosols” in spite of all the major medical and scientific journals now saying that aerosols is the scientific orthodoxy. And they have deliberately not emphasized this in advice that is followed slavishly by their puppet public health officials in nations all around the world. It is necessary for each nation’s officials to work this out for themselves and start acting actually in the interests of their nation’s citizens.
  
  The author of this investigative essay should win a Pulitzer, and it should be read by absolutely everyone with any interest in contributing to discussion of Covid:
  
  https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/
  
  Actually this “blunder” is so serious that it makes the WHO responsible for most of the deaths and the collateral damage of untargeted policies like lockdowns. That the responsible people are still in their jobs at all, is even worse than Big Finance’s top player never incurring any costs at all for their role in 2007.
  
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  September 29, 2021 10:00am
  - [email protected]
    
    Excellent article and riveting reading. The experiment with hundreds of guinea pics and the uv lights finally proved beyond any doubt that viri can and do spread long distances through aerosols which can be much larger than 5 microns.
    
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    September 29, 2021 12:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

3 Waters is coming….ready or not.

“As we’ve always suspected, it’s clear the Minister had no real interest in working with councils – the Three Waters plans would always be her way or the highway. No consideration has been given to alternative reform models, and the Minister is ignoring councils’ pleas for the process to be paused.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2109/S00251/mahuta-rips-up-three-waters-partnership-with-councils.htm
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September 29, 2021 8:47am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Mahuta required the intervention of the Speaker to protect her yesterday after failing to answer a question from Barbara Kuriger as to whether she would compel councils to participate in Three Waters.
  
  https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=220843
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:15am
  - Yabster
    
    Mahuta and Mallard what a bloody disgrace they are.
    
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    September 29, 2021 10:27am
    - Nickc2
      
      Certainly looks like Maori ownership of water and associated infrastructure is going to go ahead via legislation (theft by stealth).
      How the fuck did we get to this?
      IMO Mallard was definitely not impartial in his rulings during Question Time as shown in the video.
      More MMP anyone?
      
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      September 29, 2021 4:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hi Tony, is National committed to reversing Ms Mahuta’s Three Waters Reforms, absolutely & completely?
    
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    September 29, 2021 7:17pm
- Raphael
  
  my problem with this press release is how late to the party National is with it.
  Rather unusually (compared to their habit of springing major policy changes on people with no notice) this one has been brewing for some time and only now in the 11th hour is National getting vocal about it.
  
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  September 29, 2021 10:16am
Jibber NO Jabber

A shitload of rules for thee, none for me, peasants…

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/09/bridezilla-doesnt-want-her-wedding.html

Since March 2020, Jacinda Ardern has cancelled the weddings of many a New Zealand bride.

Bridezilla will not be cancelling hers.

Rumoured to be in Gisborne with rooms booked chocker between Christmas and New Year, a few hiccups have occurred. One venue is rumoured to have quite rightly not allowed Bridezilla to bring her own Chefs from Auckland. How very Auckland.

All of a sudden there will be new confidence from Labour luvvies in the efficacy of the vaccine and of contact tracing.

MIQ allocation has become a sad joke. The media lap up every allocation with sob stories of those actually needing to return to New Zealand. They did this today.

The media then revert to publishing columns from the Ninth Floor team of tame scientists and “experts” down to tea leaf readers. To appeal to the other readers who are too afraid of a sniffle by now to even contemplate the joy others may have of returning to their lives pre-Covid.
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September 29, 2021 8:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Honeymoon at Rhythm & Vines – sweet!
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:18pm
Aquataur

Latest border breach from the feral Horrid

Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Auckland cop under investigation for breaching border was driving Iwi contacts to funeral as ‘favour’

Lets see if he and his iwi mates get the name and shame that’s been dished out to the Wanaka couple or Dame Jenny Gibbs.

I’m not holding my breath
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September 29, 2021 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  In the print version it said ” so he could take family members to a funeral”
  
  ” A source has told the Herald a uniformed officer went to cross the border in an unmarked car full of family members earlier this month…….”
  
  This implies he was in uniform , driving a police car with his own family members at the time. Was he on duty , was that a proper use of govt property , was it a breach of all the rules around lockdown. Etc
  
  There’s a lot of questions to be answered in respect of this and an awful lot of questions I’d expect the Media Pardy to be posing to the powers that be on the Podium of Odium .
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t hold your breath waiting for the media to hold the government to account.
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:27am
graham

Yesterday, a new 1News Colmar Brunton poll found, to the utter surprise of – well, probably nobody – that there isn’t really a great deal of enthusiasm to change the name of New Zealand.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/aotearoa-new-zealand-name-change-debate-new-poll-shows-while-majority-in-favour-of-status-quo-there-is-support-for-change/UUFJQB3XRUVC7H3SLPVAVXQ36E/

A mere 9% of those polled want the name “Aotearoa” to replace New Zealand entirely; 31% would prefer the double-barrelled “Aotearoa New Zealand”; and 58% of people are quite happy to remain with good old New Zealand.

Of course, that won’t please the Maori Party, and I have no doubt they’ll continue with their crusade to rename the country, restore te reo Maori “to its rightful place as the first and official language of this country” (Rawiri Waititi’s words) and restore the original te reo Maori names for all towns, cities and places right across the country by 2026.

The Prime Minister claims that the Government isn’t considering an official name change, but she “had noticed Aotearoa being used more often and supported the shift”. The subtle point not mentioned in the Herald article, but which TVNZ to their credit did raise, is that “Aotearoa” is being used more often by Government departments. Who, in the current atmosphere, know which side their bread’s buttered on.
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September 29, 2021 9:03am
- JerJer
  
  So…..assuming that that 15% of the population are Maori, many being a very small percentage, and that we must include a lot of woke vote in the 9% for a name change, and come to the conclusion that there is not even 50% support amoung Maori for a name change.
  
  How interesting.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:42am
  - graham
    
    Yep. In fact when you look at the Curia poll from two weeks ago, which had Labour at 45.9%, the Greens at 9.6%, and the Maori Party at 1.2% – for a total of 56.7% – I’m pleasantly surprised that a massive 89% of people said “no way” to ditching the name New Zealand.
    
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    September 29, 2021 10:38am
    - JerJer
      
      Exactly. I see the name change petition is getting around five signatures per hour now too (during the busy time at least), and it has quietly been moved away from the front page of the Maori party site.
      
      Seems their leader huffing and puffing about a mood for change has gone very quiet (at least that is one positive).
      
      To be fair to him though. He did do what he said he would do in his manifesto, although all he has done is made a big noise and acheived nothing (except a blacklash).
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:53am
- greybeard
  
  Not just “Aotearoa”.
  I sent this letter to HDPA a couple of weeks ago, and feel it is relevant now:
  
  “I used to be proud to call myself a “Kiwi” : no longer.
  These days the word “Kiwi” is simply used as a replacement for “New Zealander”, a term becoming scarcer by the minute.
  
  Just as the country we know as “New Zealand” is becoming supplanted quite openly
  ( but still unofficially ) by the dubious “Aotearoa”, so too is “New Zealander” being ignored in favour of the more te reo-like “Kiwi”.
  
  Maybe “New Zealander” conjures up some picture of a Southern-man type, wearing country clothes, dog and horse by his side, striding over the farm or station. That would be anathema to many.
  Or maybe “New Zealander” implies that the internationally-accepted name of the country, New Zealand, will withstand any attempt to be dumped.
  
  Anyway, I am no longer a “Kiwi”, I am a “New Zealander” and mighty proud of it.
  
  I am no longer a “pakeha” as well: I refuse to be categorised by a word of obscure meaning and non-existent provenance, and which for all I know is actually some form of denigration .
  
  If there is no clear definition of what constitutes a “maori” then how can there be a definition of someone who is not “maori”?
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:20pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Graham: “Aotearoa” is being used more often by Government departments. Who, in the current atmosphere, know which side their bread’s buttered on.
  Well, it would be nothing to do with voluntarily using Aotearoa, it will be a directive from the PM herself. She is so bloody open and transparent. NOT! ?
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:31pm
Warren

You would have thought out of all the failures Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister has been part of Kiwi Citizens or Residency should have had preferential treatment when it comes to managed isolation and quarantine facilities and that should have been the easiest to accomplish.
Instead we have people locked out of seeing family and friends for months that should never happen in a Country like ours.
“Thousands of Kiwis miss out on Coveted MIQ Spots ” is the cry.
This from a Government and Prime Minister that are supposed to be the kindest, caring and transparent Government ever.
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September 29, 2021 9:08am
Wired-one

Expect a big pushback from the left and their media today in regards to Nationals Covid-19 plan. There will be plenty of comments about National killing people and that type of thing. I guarentee it.
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September 29, 2021 9:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, it’s already started.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/coronavirus-judith-collins-urges-govt-to-adopt-national-s-covid-plan-admits-it-could-result-in-deaths.html
  
  But Ardern’s spin doctors had better be writing a good script telling folks why they are in lockdown for their 2nd Christmas, and why their loved ones can’t get back into the country.
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  View it live on Facebook at 10am.
  https://www.facebook.com/events/1239800466511132
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia Broadcasting is starting to explain why fully vaccinated folks in NSW are ending up in hospitals and dying with Covid-19

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/why-a-small-number-of-fully-vaccinated-people-have-died-of-covid/100497770
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September 29, 2021 9:23am
Yvette

Can Occam’s Razor perhaps cut through the crap?

Covid-19 modeller Rodney Jones of Wigram Capital Advisors is a fellow Government modeller and has said –
Even at 80 per cent coverage of over 5s, and assuming only baseline public health measures and limited test-trace-isolate-quarantine, the modelling carried a median estimate of 1.1 million infections, around 60,000 hospitalisations and nearly 7000 deaths – all within just a year.

… At 70 per cent coverage, the corresponding figures were 1.7 million infections, around 110,000 hospitalisations, more than 13,000 deaths, and nearly 18,000 hospital beds occupied at the peak. [1]

Considering UK data suggesting individual stays in hospital vary from 3 to 11 days, what does 60,000 hospitalisations mean? Or “around 110,000 hospitalisations … and nearly 18,000 hospital beds occupied at the peak”?

However – “In the US they’ve got hospitalisations around 100,000 … that is extraordinary. It is the hospitalisation numbers that everyone is worried about. We are actually close to overtaking the US with our vaccination rate, but we need to keep going.” – Jacinda Ardern told The AM Show, 14 September 2021 [2]

The US population is 333,435,753 and the population of New Zealand is 4,871,543 people (worldometers)

So, in an attempt to apply Occam’s Razor, given a rough ratio between the two populations, would not “In the US they’ve got hospitalisations around 100,000” – presumably at any one time – equate to about 1,461 in hospital here, if New Zealand’s covid conditions were relaxed to those in the USA?

And would deaths be far less than those hospitalised? And on the present Delta Auckland outbreak over 1,000 cases and one death, would 1,461 hospitalisations a day, see about 2 deaths, so around 730 a year? So what is the current road toll?

Valid? – surely it is, if Ardern can compare our vaccination rate to that of the US

[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-expert-calls-new-covid-19-modelling-overcooked-and-rushed/YWR7DLF67TD2LNBCOX7IHROO5Y/
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-explains-why-she-won-t-set-a-vaccination-target-to-end-lockdowns.html
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September 29, 2021 9:23am
I remember when

BBC News: This isn’t a fuel crisis, it’s a driver crisis.
“Drivers drive the economy.
They help us move goods from A to B, a key enabler of trade.
Turcks, Lorries are the backbone of the economy.”
Attention was also paid to the fact that, as in the US, re-licensing stopped during lockdown. Resulting in a backlog.
As well as the need to better support drivers in the way of more rest spaces, toilets and food.
There is a level of oil crisis however, due to the producers not expecting the level of demand that has occured.
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September 29, 2021 9:35am
- Paulus
  
  And the M25 is daily blocked by Anti Brexit people and other active troublemakers which doesn’t help.
  UK Labour would sort it out tomorrow of course,
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:45pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Democrats caught on video stuffing election ballot boxes in US 2020 election in Georgia. Evidence of huge scale vote fraud doesn’t get any clearer than this. Truethevote.org found the same activity (via cell phone ping data) in Arizona as well, though no video evidence from there released yet.

“In Georgia, 19,000 ballots were counted from a single Zuckerberg dropbox over one weekend, but surveillance shows only 24 people dropping off all of these ballots. That’s nearly 800 ballots per operative! ”

It’ll be interesting to see how DNC controlled media try to spin this.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/huge-development-georgia-democrats-got-caught-24-criminal-operatives-caught-video-stuffing-dropbox-19000-ballots-3-days-video/
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September 29, 2021 9:41am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There has been a correction to their story; 1900 not 19000. Not that it makes any difference – still large scale coordinated fraud, there were 100’s of these boxes.
  
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  September 29, 2021 10:10am
- Nickc2
  
  Trouble is, there’s no legal mechanism available to nullify the election results AFIK and install the rightful winner. In short, the Democrats have gotten away with rigging election results, flooding the US with new Democrat voters by way of illegal immigrants and bankrupting the nation.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:07pm
I remember when

Al Jazeera: Energy crunch: How high will oil prices climb:
Surging demand coupled with supply shortages has sent crude prices to a near three-year high.
Global benchmark Brent nearing $80 a barrel, its highest price since October, 2018.
Reuters: Goldman expect oil prices to hit $90 by year-end as supply tightens.
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September 29, 2021 9:44am
I remember when

Maori Vaccination rates:
When did Maori become incapable of doing anything unless special arrangements have been made.
Why are their own news media encouraging this opinion.
On the “Hui” in was made clear to Chris Hipkins that low vaccination rates were the government’s fault.
Where were the figures and facts to support this accusation. As usual there were none – everybody just know it is true.
The same with the claim that Maori are more likely to be more seriously impacted by covid.
Again, absolutely no facts are necessary – we just know that is true because it is continually stated.
Makes you wonder how many Maori get an illness, read the fact the outcome will be worse because they are Maori and …..
We can and should be getting better than information from our media.
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September 29, 2021 9:58am
cmm

Cutting edge PhD level psychological research:

Anxious children tend to grow up to become anxious adolescents and anxious adults. Wow who would have thought that!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126517196/study-identifies-childhood-traits-that-may-lead-to-anxiety-in-adulthood
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September 29, 2021 10:02am
- Taieri
  
  Anxious children tend to grow up to become anxious adolescents and anxious adults.
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  The profundity of this statement is simply astounding! What a shame there’s no Nobel Prize in psychology yet.
  
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  September 29, 2021 10:44am
  - Jack5
    
    What widespread childhood trauma caused global warming hysteria?
    
    It’s going to get worse with teachers scaring the hell out of present school kids with imminent global warming doom.
    
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    September 29, 2021 11:15am
    - Jack5
      
      Re Taieri’s comment on the Nobel Prize and Psychology.
      
      But Daniel Kahneman, an Israeli psychologist (now noted as a psychologist and economist), won the 2002 Nobel prize for economics jointly with American economist Vernon L. Smith.
      
      You can read at the link below about Kahneman’s work.
      
      An economist will probably challenge this, but didn’t Kahnman and his colleague Tversky blow away the base assumption of economic theory – that buyers decide rationally as price changes?
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kahneman
      
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      September 29, 2021 11:50am
Maggie Pie

We certainly wont be taking part in the ‘Destiny Church’ protest this weekend against lockdown restrictions.

Nevertheless, my partner decided to engage in his own form of ‘government defiance’…. in the hope of sending Jacinda a message that Remuera residents wont take things lying down either.

As soon as our lawnmower man arrives, he’s going to tell Mr Woo to lower his Masport to Level 2.

https://rnz.co.nz/news/national/452497/police-commissioner-concerned-about-interest-potential-size-of-tamaki-protest
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September 29, 2021 10:09am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3OpuMf0sHho/

The Era of Merkel is over!

The era of Angela Merkel is over! In this video, we’re going to take a look at the national elections in Germany over the weekend, we’re going to see how they exemplify precisely the kind of disaster that Merkel has been to the nation and stick with me to the very end of this video where I’ll show you precisely how the end of Merkel is nothing less than the end of the globalist modernist era in Europe. [9:48]
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September 29, 2021 10:26am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ4lsUDFedQ

The Truth about the Fuel Crisis.

To nobody’s surprise, if the wind ain’t blowing, there will be a shortage of electricity. With nowhere near enough LPG storage, it could be lights out, and no petrol. Thans ‘Green’ nut bars. [8:12]
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September 29, 2021 10:27am
- Jack5
  
  If Jacindarella hadn’t killed gas development, we would also probably be on the way to a gas export industry that would help get surging pandemic debt off the country’s back.
  
  Gas prices are up 250 per cent in Europe, and 100 per cent in America. European gas demand has been affected by factors that include less wind for power generation.
  
  Gas is proving to be a great fuel resource against weather fluctuation.
  
  https://worldmarketsdaily.com/2021/09/28/natural-gas-prices-are-another-blow-to-the-world-economy/
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Putin is laughing all the way to the Bank now that Biden has allowed Nordstream to go ahead.
    Gosh, imagine the apoplectic reactions from our resident moron TDS sufferers if Trump had done that!
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:45pm
  - Taieri
    
    There’re no known and unexplored gas fields in NZ at present, which doesn’t mean that they couldn’t be discovered. In 2004/2005 I was involved in very extensive seismic surveys off East Cape and down south around Stewart Island and Solander Islands. Nothing was found.
    
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    September 29, 2021 6:54pm
    - Jack5
      
      Taieri, overseas petroleum and gas explorers were interested and active in New Zealand, and for years explorers have decided there are chances of gas fields off the New Zealand coast
      
      There are also substantial NZ reserves of coal-seam gas. Its energy potential was demonstrated in the explosions in the Pike River disaster.
      
      A big transport company and an overseas entrepreneur did work on harnessing CSG from southern coalfields, but were discouraged by lack of support from other potential investors.
      
      Solid Energy, before it was felled by a crash in overseas export-coal prices, had begun research and exploration into harnessing the CSG in the coalfield on which the Meremere thermal power station sits.
      
      Exploring potential:
      
      https://www.nzpam.govt.nz/nz-industry/nz-petroleum/resource-potential/
      
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      September 29, 2021 9:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Our reserves of fossil fuels may prove to be extremely valuable in the future.
        
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        September 30, 2021 7:01am
I remember when

The Police Commissioner of NSW refuses to Enforce Vaccine Passport mandate.
“We will certainly be assisting restaurant owners and shops if they are refusing entry to someone – we’ll certainly respond to assist these people.
The role of the police in terms of vaccine passports, we will not be walking through restaurants, cafes and pubs checking if people are double vaccinated,” he said.
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September 29, 2021 11:07am
ecco

Has anyone seen the latest ‘expert’ pieces in Stuffed and the Ferald today saying it’s unlikely that Auckland will go out of level 3 next week due to the ‘long tail’?

Does anyone think this is just a wind up job from Ardern’s office trying to scare people into getting the vaccine or she won’t open up next week? ie still holding Akl to hostage with fear and threats.

We all know that these ‘expert’ lackies are doing Ardern’s messaging, (including the MSM)and are all basically on the government’s payroll and if they don’t toe the line then won’t get any more government consultancy work/funding. (the biggest lackie of all is old Ashley Blofield).

None of these gutless wonders would dare go out there and say the wrong message for fear of not being invited back on to government committees etc. The work is very lucrative. Ardern’s tentacles stretch far and wide using tax payer money to control the narrative. No different to what you see from living in a communist regime.

The only expert I rate is Des Gorman who has the balls to say it like he sees it.
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September 29, 2021 11:11am
- ecco
  
  My bet on if Ardern is actually going to open up Aucklanders, out of their home detention and allow them to travel, will start making noises about this on Sunday 6pm news.
  
  And there will be caveats ie you have to get a covid test before travelling, which in itself will put a handbrake on Aucklanders leaving town for the first time in 2 months. She’ll just adjust the amount of time it takes to get your covid test back to control the flow. My medical centre said they are pretty busy today with people trying to get tests since that new batch of exemptions announced last night.
  
  Of course this adds hugely to the cost for people wanting to travel of booking short notice flights, possibly having to cancel or change them. Not that Ardern cares about this, nor the plight of Air NZ through all of this. As Air NZ goes further into debt, this will be the taxpayer’s problem long term as the government owns 51% of it. Is anyone else worried about the effect of Ardern’s policies on Air New Zealand?? I am.
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s school holidays next week…
  
  The rest of NZ will be moving around the country visiting friend and rellies.
  
  Can Our dear PM really risk letting all of Auckland out to play all over the Motu?
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:35am
  - ecco
    
    Yes of course Maggy. Timed with school holidays.
    
    The good thing is that Ardern is pissing off a LOT of expat NZers and their NZ families with the lottery system some idiot devised for her. No easy way out of that one. I do feel sorry for a lot of these people. Even the MSM is running pieces on the unfairness of this system.
    
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    September 29, 2021 12:20pm
I remember when

In Australia $62.5 billion that would usually be spent on overseas travel has gone to savings and domestic spending.
Ehen they come out of lockdown, there’ll be a lot of cashed-up spenders.
There is obviously going to be a massive boost for New Zealand if their tourists come here.
Obviously a clue as to when the “Trans-Tasman bubble” will open again.
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September 29, 2021 11:25am
cmm

Oh, so the already Maorified Child Wlfare agency is not fit for purpose.

Solution: double down on the Maorification!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418466/oranga-tamariki-government-again-directs-overhaul-after-report-criticises-weak-disconnected-and-unfit-agency
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September 29, 2021 11:29am
- Prince
  
  Can anyone dare to question why the solution to child abuse and murder, which undisputedly is more prevalent in Maori, is to devolve more power to Maori ? To regulate that only Maori can look after Maori babies ?
  Or is that a question that must never be asked in 2021 ?
  
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  September 29, 2021 11:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I can only hope that each Iwi brings in well-trained caring Social workers…
    
    remember what happened when a Mental Health Care unit was put in the hands of an unqualified Maori Family?
    
    n 1988 Harawira, her daughter Hiniwhare, son Arthur and two others were found guilty of beating a Carrington Hospital patient. At the time Harawira was head of the Whare Paia Maori health unit. The jury also found Harawira guilty of a charge of threatening to kill. She was jailed for nine months.
    
    The sentencing judge said that the five had carried out a “vicious and violent” attack on the patient and that the offences were “an arrogant and frightening abuse of authority and power”.
    
    He described Harawira’s role as “outrageous”.Imposing a longer prison sentence on Harawira, the judge told her “You were in a position of authority, you ought to have prevented what occurred.”
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/titewhai-harawira-nana-or-bully/4NOMI44CMZM6AQAKTIXFJSOKJU/
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:51pm
- Cinematic
  
  It’s a tragic day for the most vulnerable in our society.
  
  Having worked on and off with CYF’s over the years they’re not perfect but do do amazing work protecting our youngest in incredibly difficult circumstances.
  
  ‘Do less uplift’ can be directly translated to ‘let more children die or be maimed or severely neglected’.
  
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  September 29, 2021 12:33pm
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    It would be fantastic if we, as a society, did not do so many uplifts because we don’t need to.
    
    It is a disaster if we did not do so many uplifts because we don’t want to.
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:11pm
G152

Just getting the local sewerage system updated so been keeping an eye on the local section. There are clever people in this world. They run a ‘torpedo’ on a tow line through the old pipes breaking them and the ‘torpedo’ drags the new replacement pipe through.
And they’ve measured how far apart the house inlets are and put them in the right place on the line.
Best thing was when they used the digger track as a winch.
As I said clever buggers …….
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September 29, 2021 11:30am
Fletch

Watch ’em squirm and try to not implicate Biden. Generals questioned on the Afghanistan debacle.

https://www.facebook.com/BlazeMedia/videos/835429387065696/

https://www.facebook.com/BlazeMedia/videos/400500581663840/
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September 29, 2021 11:31am
surfing

2015…damning report into cyfs…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/damning-report-paves-way-for-cyf-redesign/JMET2FH6HQZSDIWSLTIQFEDKGU/

2017 … after 2 years of hard work by the countries top paid maori and government social workers, and likely tens of millions of dollars, Cyfs replaced by a maori oriented “Oranga Tamariki”.

2021….Damning Oranga Tamariki review
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/damning-oranga-tamariki-review-nearly-all-child-uplifts-to-stop/VRTKBZLPAZHE53C3WLSGBQRCY4/

Entirely predictable , although oranga has come to an end more quickly than I thought it would.

Maori will never be happy until they stop abusing their children. And maori will continue to blame racist government agencies for trying to stop maori from beating their children .
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September 29, 2021 12:09pm
- cmm
  
  No, it has not come to an end. They’re just doubling down.
  
  The reason a woke organisation failed is because it is not woke enough!
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It is going to be difficult to explain if a child is repeatedly abused whilst under the care of Iwi.
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:44pm
    - cmm
      
      It hasn’t been an embarrassment so far, so why expect embarrassment to start now?
      
      Nothing has improved since the Kahui tribe abused the twins multiple times then killed them with whole family going schtum.
      
      15 years and 3 months later – no real learning.
      
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      September 29, 2021 4:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Labour waffling above getting 90% vaccinated. What is it with the left and basic math? Or are they using common core shit?
Kids under 12 not getting vaccinated. They make up 15% of the population. Even if every person over 12 was vaxed it would still only make 85%.
Is it that hard for Labour to see that? Do they need a working group?
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September 29, 2021 12:11pm
- Bob
  
  Do they need a working group…..
  No just an inoculation of intelligence across the Caucus.
  
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  September 29, 2021 12:37pm
- cmm
  
  Wiggle room: They will count 90% vaccinated when the number of vaccinated gets to 90% of the adult population (even though some of the vaccinated will actually be children).
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:16pm
Maggie Pie

My partner thought there might be some here who could be interested in this link his broker sent thru (?)

https://nytimes.com/2021/09/28/business/china-evergrande-economy.html
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September 29, 2021 12:15pm
Rusty

Brian Tamaki is planning peaceful and responsible protest marches in Auckland and Christchurch over lockdowns and mayor Goff refers to such people as being idiots.

Did Goff call the BLM protesters last year idiots especially when vaccines weren’t available like they are now?

Even if one disagrees with Brian Tamaki’s beliefs why was the BLM protests acceptable to Goff, the police, and our Govt but Tamaki’s isn’t?
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September 29, 2021 12:16pm
- kowtow
  
  Commissioner Wokester went to a church vigil at the height of the BLM hype .
  
  Somehow I don’t see him going along to one His Eminences happy clappy shindigs.
  
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  September 29, 2021 12:57pm
Cinematic

I see according to the Labour government Child, Youth and Family (can’t be bothered with the new name) are responsible for Maori abusers and murderers of infants and children.

Telling CYF’s to perform less ‘uplifts’ will result in an increased rate of child death and disability from violence and neglect.
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September 29, 2021 12:28pm
- kowtow
  
  We really do live in a depraved world when the child’s safety and welfare is not put first .
  
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  September 29, 2021 12:59pm
dime

Expect a big number today.

Covid is in the gangs and they dont do lockdowns.

Im hearing the Hubbards and the Carltons if that means anything to anyone

maybe the gangs get us out lol
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September 29, 2021 12:34pm
- dcrane
  
  Maybe they’re deliberately working to free all New Zealanders lol
  
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  September 29, 2021 12:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Not Laurel and Dick, surely? 😀
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:14pm
septic skeptic

Rumour is 45 cases and back to level 4
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September 29, 2021 12:37pm
- BAM
  
  You were on the money.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:10pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  You got the 45 cases right.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:16pm
- Surely Knott
  
  45 Cases – But where and why not given. Not a lot of detail. Is this still people in the boarding house? Essential workers bringing it home? Is it still focussed in South Auckland? Has the Hendo case resulted in an outbreak there? Where are the new places of interest? Lots of new vaxes reported. Any more serious adverse events. How may of those 45 cases were vaccinated.
  
  Names the clusters again. Even if it’s just Household Sth 1. Household West 2. Boarding house building 3. etc.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:23pm
  - dime
    
    20 people are from 2 families. not sure if thats public yet? Dime has a source thats pretty dam accurate
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:16pm
  - dcrane
    
    The fundamental error was allowing large groups to congregate even at L1 – a policy that was clearly reckless from the start (for a government claiming to want to sustain an elimination strategy). Especially massive multi-church gatherings. They knew covid was getting in now and then, since the 2nd lockdown last August. The inevitable happened, and a covid incursion quickly exploded via one of those gatherings before the govt could shut society down. And then the error was exacerbated by the growing gang problem.
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:18pm
    - cmm
      
      The fundamental error is believing you can stop a virus.
      
      18 months ago it was in China. Two months after that people on the brink of death were falling off their perches in Christchurch.
      
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      September 29, 2021 4:20pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  Can the government please provide us with a model that will estimate the damage another few weeks in level 4 will cause to Auckland businesses and the economy?!!
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:27pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    They should get Shaun Hendy to model it, that would be a good laugh!
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:53pm
- westernScientest
  
  What do people think, are Auckland going back to L4?
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:37pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    No I think there would be anarchy. If the weather is fine this weekend Mission bay will be packed with people.
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:55pm
  - NoFax
    
    I think we will still go to level 2 next week. I think the government knows it is over.
    
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    September 29, 2021 5:44pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I’m speculating now but maybe MOH recommended L4?
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:42pm
Fletch

According to an alert from my phone today, the Covid tracer app is “checking exposure keys”…
Hmmm ?
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September 29, 2021 12:48pm
In Vino Veritas

In US, bond yields on the rise, Treasuries up to 1.54. 10 of 11 sectors of S&P500 are now off, with a 2% decline after yesterdays trading. NASDAQ down 2.8%. Oil price highest it’s been in 3 years. Fed has indicated it’s growth forecast for 21 has been diminished and inflation is to be higher than forecast. House prices are up 19.7% on a year ago. Consumer confidence has slumped for the 3rd consecutive monthly decline. Slow Joe, who would have thought?
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September 29, 2021 12:52pm
- kowtow
  
  I suppose those new style Manhattan glass curtained sky scrappers have the advantage that stock brokers can’t open their windows no more.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:02pm
- westernScientest
  
  Its interesting isnt it, maybe the fear contagion is finally setting in. The DXY is still fairly high though, I am looking for it to decouple from the Tbills (yields up, dollar down), as a marker that the entire global economy is for some very rough times. It would indicate that confidence is being lost in a big way in the international reserve currency.
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:00pm
Tony Stuart

Far out; 45 new Covid cases in Auckland today, after a week at L3. That doesn’t bode well for Auckland to drop to L2 next week, and let the rest of us drop to L1.
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September 29, 2021 1:09pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  I think it’s safe to say that our days of no COVID in the community are long over. It was bound to happen.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:22pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  No wonder the PM found something better to do today !
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some folks will be hard at the spinning wheel for the rest of this week.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:32pm
- MrTips
  
  There are 1230 cases in the community outbreak
  It could easily top 1500 – who knows?
  1 has died.
  80% have recovered already
  down to 3 in ICU now
  Overall, well over 2500 cases since Jan 01, 2021 incl MIQ
  2 deaths
  ~60 hospitalisations, maybe 10 ICUs
  All this in the most vulnerable group in Sth AKL.
  
  When are people going to wake up its NOT the bloody plague on its own? Given even our 43% double vaxxed rate, the health system will be unlikely to creak under COVID19 at that rate (provided these rates are maintained)
  
  Our problem is not going to be COVID, its everything else that comes with it; RSV, flu, pneumonias, LRTIs and missed cancers/heart/surgeries. And THAT is certain.
  
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  September 29, 2021 1:38pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    People still remember the ICU wards and ventilators in Milan, or the ‘mass graves’ in New York.
    They haven’t looked at it independently across different media, thought about overseas comparisons, or even done any basic math of risk-calculation.
    They have been kept on the edge of their seats, in the pursuit of click.
    Covid fear becomes an article of faith.
    
    Some of us realised there was nuance missing long long ago in such fear-porn and omission by politicians.
    Others will never escape from Covid fear until Jacinda shouts from the podium – “…Delta is NOT Deadly! You do not have to live in fear! Live your lives! …..Drive your car, cross the road, eat sushi, visit a pub!….. You are going to be alright!”.
    
    But with so much sunk cost, keeping the fear going for as long as possible, on only very gently changing the tone, will ever allow a change without some anger and resentment against the govt and MOH.
    “Slowly, slowly, cathchee monkey” (or boil a frog).
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:45pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    in the age groups that matter 65+ vax rates will be mid to high 80’s once people get their 2nd shots, and there are bookings to bring it up to mid 70’s for 35-65 age group.
    
    NZ vax rates are nearly as good as we will ever be. If an opening date of 4-6 weeks time was announced it would scare a few stragglers into getting jabbed, and beyond that we will never have a better time to open – it would take years for this useless govt to sort out ICU capacity (which they have incredibly managed to actually decrease since start of pandemic).
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:46pm
  - mandk
    
    Correction: None has died, although an extremely old lady with several co-morbidities died with COVID.
    
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    September 29, 2021 3:53pm
I remember when

One thousand ($1000-00) dollars to self-isolate at home.
Obviously the Government is running out of money.
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September 29, 2021 1:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Govt NEVER had any money. What they had is you money – which is now your debt
  
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  September 29, 2021 3:51pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    A 4 year govt has added 40 years worth of debt, so far.
    
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    September 29, 2021 7:33pm
Bluegrass

On a positive note slightly off piste – I take cargo ship voyages as a passenger. Usually thru my German agent [see link below] – and have done so every year for decades.

But Covid has stopped that for the last 18 months. No pax.

My agent has now said I can start again around Feb next year. So am now booking my favorite little tramp ship for 6 weeks starting May, fingers crossed.

If you like the sea but not crowds as on a cruise ship, you should try it.

I usually go on German ships as I speak German, but English is the lingua franca on board all cargo ships, so no sweat. Not sure about Maori, tho…

https://www.zylmann.de/en/reiseangebot/freighter-travel/liste_aller_reisen/1.html?no_cache=1

Gute reise.

PS there is a Kiwi agent who also does freighter travel.
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September 29, 2021 1:19pm
- hilaryt
  
  A little more info would be cool please Bluegrass. I recall a distant aunt taking trips on the Achille Lauro out of Lyttelton in the 60s…always came back with tins of caviar.
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:15pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Years ago I worked my passage from NZ to the US on a German ship. No pay but otherwise all found. Fantastic trip.
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:29pm
BananaLlama

Pharaoh, let my people go!
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September 29, 2021 1:24pm
- Fletch
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvdfNnYOECs
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Look who is accused of lighting scrub fires in California.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/27/second-californian-academic-arrested-accused-of-starting-wild-fires/
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September 29, 2021 1:36pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, looks like a Twitterphile, plenty of those in academia.
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:07pm
- cmm
  
  Sometimes the environment needs a bit of a help to prove climate change.
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Auckland is back to where it was on 23 Aug….5 weeks ago!
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September 29, 2021 1:44pm
- Stu2
  
  Seems there are segments of the community who are easy targets of a contagious virus due to the way they behave, even in lockdown
  
  This feels like whac-a-mole
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:12pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Marginalism
    
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    September 29, 2021 6:43pm
westernScientest

A question for Kiwiblog. What is a surveillance testing code? is it what people get when they are randomly tested either as essential workers or crossing the border, or does it mean they were at a place of interest?

The reason is this statement from Hipkins/Bloomfield:
“At least half of the unlinked cases used a surveillance testing code.”
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September 29, 2021 1:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think it means that when you scan the QR, they know where you are in real time right now.
  Did the Govt say they would not do this? and only trace those who had been at places of ‘interest?’
  Welcome to the digitised 1930s Germany
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:00pm
I remember when

So 33 close or household contacts in today’s cases.
Just a few questions –
* Was the person/s they are ‘household contacts’ of still in the house.
* If the household contacts is now in MIQ, how long is it since they were in ‘household contact.’
* How long is it since the original case tested positive.
* What percentage of the total cases to date are ‘household contact’ cases.
* How many cases in the last two weeks have not been Maori or Pacific Islanders.
By talking about large families and gangs Dr Ashley suggested many might be.
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September 29, 2021 1:50pm
- surfing
  
  They’re not really telling us the extent of community transmission.
  
  ‘Unlinked’ cases means little, only that they haven’t discovered the link yet.
  
  How many people are catching this at the supermarket/fast food outlet/or stores & businesses operating at level 3? Government is very cagey … these numbers will eventually come out!
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Cagey” come on surfing. They are as cunning as a shithouse rat.
    ‘Cagey’ my left tit
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:02pm
  - cmm
    
    “How many people are catching this at the supermarket/fast food outlet/or stores & businesses operating at level 3”. Incredibly few.
    
    When they go interview the people, do you really think they are going to get the truth?
    
    Bloke will say he’s been at home and safe in his bubble when really he’s been over boozing at his mates, visiting the girlfriend or out dealing.
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:30pm
    - surfing
      
      Ha ha, i mean that too… .outside the house.
      
      It feels like game over to me.
      
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      September 29, 2021 6:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Now Clarke Gayford has entered the political fray

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/clarke-gayford-lashes-back-at-sir-john-key-for-name-slinging-in-covid-19-criticism-of-government.html
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September 29, 2021 2:32pm
- I remember when
  
  Doesn’t take much to nark Clarke.
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Hard and fast’ is something he has got wrong …
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:04pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  [Deleted and you can have a week off. Mod]
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:41pm
- surfing
  
  Mr. Gayford should have instructed the PM to get the vaccines sooner.
  
  Front of the queue. Ha!
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:44pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  If I understand New Zealand convention, politicians don’t go after each other’s families. But if those family members wade into politics, it is a different matter entirely.
  
  AFAIK about this guy’s background, if he was not the partner of the PM he would be a nobody.
  
  What I do know is that if John Key, Steven Joyce, and Bill English had been in charge since the start of the pandemic, we would not be in this mess. Of course they would have made mistakes. But they would have learned and adjusted course. There would have been a lightening fast vaccine roll out, a bug ramp up in ICU capacity and a sane approach to border controls and quarantine.
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:46pm
  - kowtow
    
    He drives a sponsored ute and flies to exotic places that most ordinary New Zealanders couldn’t afford to get to , to kill fish to amuse people who are easily amused watching a shit fishing show.
    
    He is a somebody , but not much of anything.
    
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    September 29, 2021 2:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Electric Ute soon – maybe not -Toyota said no.
      But Jaspinda was in ‘negotiations’ you know.
      With Jethro
      
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      September 29, 2021 4:07pm
  - Inandout
    
    BY, Key’s family got heaps of shit from the media, the same pricks who are now employed under a government ‘support’ scheme. So no, maybe pollies don’t bag others’ families, their media lapdogs do it for them.
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:12pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Gayford is the NZ equivalent of the Monty Python Lumberjacks – He has been known to wear womens underwear.
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:14pm
    - oldfella
      
      Alex, or is Jethro just a big girl’s blouse?
      
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      September 29, 2021 5:18pm
    - Nickc2
      
      What, on his head?
      
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      September 29, 2021 5:19pm
  - Taieri
    
    AFAIK about this guy’s background, if he was not the partner of the PM he would be a nobody.
    ——————-
    
    Does being the PM’s partner make him a somebody?
    
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    September 29, 2021 6:59pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Absolutely Benedict. Mr Gayford has put himself in a situation where he’s going to get plenty of negative attention for attacking John Key’s proposals. Best he doesn’t go whingeing to the media when that happens, because he brought it on himself. Prime Ministerial spouses should be seen and not heard.
    
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    September 29, 2021 7:47pm
- kowtow
  
  “Because our future and so many lives depend on it, and for selfish reasons I have a 3yr old who needs to see more of her mum.”
  
  Wow , here was me thinking we’d all been warned to keep the children out of it and he jumps in donkey deep .
  
  Well Mum is preventing ten of thousands of us from seeing our children , matey.
  
  Get stuffed.
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:46pm
  - lifesgood
    
    What sort of a woman has to hide behind the trousers of a man? Pathetic!
    
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    September 29, 2021 3:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And here’s a woman with triplets on the way and her hubby can’t visit her…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300418135/covid19-dad-expecting-triplets-denied-travel-exemption-to-enter-auckland-for-birth
    
    Thanks for nothing!
    
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    September 29, 2021 3:54pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggy, what is the matter with the modern kiwi guy? I would crawl over broken glass to see my pregnant wife, even by donning an orderly’s garb.
      
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      September 29, 2021 4:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He’s got to look after their toddler at their home in Rotorua whilst his pregnant wife is confined to hospital in Auckland.
        
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        September 29, 2021 7:58pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have a grand daughter I have seen twice in 2 years. So Mr Gayford you have no idea.
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:01pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I have grandchildren I haven’t seen for more than 2 years and who knows when I’ll see then again. I feel miserable about it, they are growing up.
      
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      September 29, 2021 4:29pm
      - Taieri
        
        I have a son, whom I haven’t seen since late October 2019. Don’t expect to see him anytime soon, unless Her Grace allows it.
        
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        September 29, 2021 7:01pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      My brother and his wife went over the the Gold Coast in early August to see their grandson for the first time. They’d been there three days when the bubbler suddenly closed, and they had to get out quick smart or they’d still be over there.
      
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      September 29, 2021 7:49pm
  - BeaB
    
    In the days when we first heard she was pregnant and weren’t allowed to question whether she could do two jobs properly, we were assured that of course she could. As a working mum myself for years I know either the job or the kid suffers.
    Jacinda knew that too. No good bleating now. I didn’t hear Lady Key whining about having to bring up two kids mainly on her own. Or Mrs Bolger, Mrs Muldoon, Mrs Kirk etc etc.
    Just shut up and be a good dad. Not hard on $10000 a week.
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:37pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Mrs Bolger had 8 kids. Eat that, Jethro!
      
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      September 29, 2021 7:32pm
    - tf78
      
      BeaB – he can’t be that busy babysitting as he is about to launch a new TV show “Moving House” – I wonder which grant is paying for that! Those two have no shame.
      
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      September 29, 2021 7:49pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts those tweets were written by someone in the PM’s comms department. But having inserted himself into the fray, Gayford better not complain if people respond.
  
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  September 29, 2021 3:48pm
  - Marcus Vinicius
    
    Gayford appears to be ‘going hard and going early’.
    
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    September 29, 2021 3:58pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      I wish he would just go.
      
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      September 29, 2021 4:55pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Does that now make Gayford fair-game on KB?
    
    [No. Mod]
    
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    September 29, 2021 4:08pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Spoil Sport!
      
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      September 29, 2021 5:25pm
- NoFax
  
  I would prefer if family of politicians stay out of politics – we should know or care who the partners of politicians are.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:52pm
  - tf78
    
    NoFax – look what Boris’s wife has caused in the UK.
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:06pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  At least Cindy’s female support base will be under no illusions that she has a big, strong man behind her…
  
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  September 29, 2021 6:46pm
lifesgood

Anyone else smell a gigantic big rat? Is it not a coincidence that the very day National produces a plan to get out of lockdowns the covid cases sky rocket. What I’d like to know is how are these figures verified, by whom and if anyone, anyone at all, even bothers to check whether they are accurate. I for one think we are being deceived on a massive scale.
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September 29, 2021 2:37pm
- westernScientest
  
  I would say it was a coincidence, we are at 7 days auc going to level 3, sounds about right that we would start to see an uptick from about now.
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:53pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Just a few more PCR replications could do it.
  
  Have all those tested given their individual informed consent as required by the WHO?
  Do the tests exceed the 25X limit?
  NZ could be easily led up the garden path by unknown test manipulators. So much deceit has been evident to date we should expect real transparency and integrity to be shown.
  
  Is the Covid Passport linked in any way with the WEF schemes?
  
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  September 29, 2021 3:49pm
  - Taieri
    
    Do the tests exceed the 25X limit?
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    Yes. The cycle threshold in NZ is 40.
    
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    September 29, 2021 7:03pm
    - tf78
      
      Taieri, I thought they were designed for 28X – so it’s a total con job.
      
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      September 29, 2021 8:08pm
surfing

My personal prediction was for large increases in covid cases , 2 weeks from Auckland dropping into level 3.

The authorities are screwed, unless they have the resolve to go back to level 4 and I’m not sure they do.
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September 29, 2021 2:43pm
- Stu2
  
  I thought 14 days was a bit short for level 3, as cases that came about through the relaxation would turn up late in the 14 days.
  
  Did they say if any of what is happening now came from opened up workplaces?
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:58pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  They could cordon off infected suburbs at level4 and leave rest at 3. Otherwise they are tacitly admitting they are letting it rip.
  
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  September 29, 2021 2:58pm
  - Stu2
    
    Could you still get to auckland airport if cordons were in place?
    
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    September 29, 2021 3:29pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yes, but only those with exemptions will be admitted to the terminal.
      
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      September 29, 2021 3:49pm
- PeeJay
  
  Onto it Surfing. I had a similar thought myself but wasn’t sure if they’d just squeak through and beat it – marginal call I thought and could go either way but the L3 decision was a huge gamble and obviously a response to their focus groups – because it obviously wasn’t a health-based decision to change levels!
  
  I was beginning to think, until around the weekend that maybe their luck had held this time and they’d managed to hold back the tide, just, but I’m beginning to suspect their luck has run out.
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:01pm
  - tf78
    
    PeeJay, over this whole Lockdown episode we have had only one poor 91 year old die. A few in ICU and a few in hospital. The whole thing is a mass charade to cover their wanton control of the people. They don’t care about our health for one minute, they just want everyone feeling hopeless, vulnerable and businesses crashing. People are dying but not from Covid. Shame on each and everyone of them, they will be punished in the end.
    
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    September 29, 2021 8:14pm
mandk

In case you haven’t seen it, this is hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGzeDurfuF8

The comments are also very funny, the best one being: ‘Research shows this kind of stupid is correlated with climate change’
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September 29, 2021 3:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief..
The Government is going to charge folks $1000 to self-isolate in their own homes!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300418677/covid19-selfisolation-trial-will-cost-participants-1000
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September 29, 2021 4:06pm
- cmm
  
  Of course the government workers will be paid by the state so no worry there.
  
  Jimmy Shaw and his 14 dwarfs are in clover.
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:35pm
- tavita
  
  Oh and you are not allowed to be with family. They have to all move out and stay in a hotel.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:25pm
Tasman Terror

Shaun Hendy predicted 80,000 deaths from Covid 19 if we didn’t close the borders last year.

Last week “Covid modelling expert” the same Shaun Hendy (LOL) predicted 8,000 deaths if we opened up at 75 per cent vaccination.

I have decided to become a Covid modeling expert. All you have to do is think of a number and add or subtract zeros depending on what the Prime Muppet wants you to spout.

The only problem is zeros aren’t heroes.
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September 29, 2021 4:16pm
Warren

Does this sound like a Prime Minister and Government in control, well I very much doubt it with two of the Heralds most Senior Journalists a frustrated Senior MP reverting to utter bullshit over the 45 new cases today and the Prime Minister partner attacking John Key to defend his mate and Girlfriend for his comments yesterday.
Barry Soper: ‘weasel words ‘- Labour rattled and the PM’s under huge pressure.
Clare Trevett: MIQ Debacle makes mincemeat of PM’s promise.
Hipkins on todays high COVID-19 numbers, ‘we’re still aiming to run this into the ground’.
Self isolation trial will cost participants
$1,000 ‘ was there a single idea’s.
Clarke Gayford lashes back at Sir John Key for name slinging in Covid – criticism of Government.
One NewsPoll reveals what Kiwis think about changing New Zealands namely Aotearoa.
Let’s hope that Jacinda Ardern’s lies and inability to see others point of view without trying to slag them off with the help of our politically corrupt media is about to change after so much warranted criticism today.
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September 29, 2021 4:19pm
- Gravelroad
  
  If Ms Ardern wants history to view her as a strong world leader, rather than just some “once upon a time” political celebrity, she really needs to tell her boyf to pull his head in.
  He is undermining her career at the moment with his frequent stepping in to defend and deflect.
  Not to mention the “look at me” aspect of his wannabe utterances.
  No capable woman in this day and age should need some man to be running defence in public for her.
  
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  September 29, 2021 6:15pm
- ecco
  
  Ferald has also run a story on how nz has slipped from 1st to 38th in most desirable place to live during covid crisis. If you sort the lockdown hardship column from first to last we are coming first in that ranking. Ahead of even China and Malaysia. I guess Ardern would see that as a ‘win’ in her worldview.
  
  Unfortunately they decided not to open the article up for comments. The moderators at Ferald must be shattered there doing that job. The bulk of the comments are absolutely hammering the inept performance of Ardern and co.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-new-zealand-slips-from-1st-to-38th-place-in-the-world-to-live-during-pandemic/PXOAP6OAG2HI3NWPTRWPAGFIGM/
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:53pm
jon

Gayford’s outburst proves Cindy is rattled. Watching her in Question Time yesterday she appeared somewhat unsettled which i put down to the realisation that her government is terminal.
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September 29, 2021 4:30pm
- hilaryt
  
  Fancy themselves as the local Ginge/Whinge twosome package deal…
  
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  September 29, 2021 6:50pm
krazykiwi

Here is a picture of a group of teacher union members in the UK, meeting to affirm their position that going back to school without facemasks and social distancing is unsafe.. and they won’t be doing it.

Notice anything?
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September 29, 2021 4:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Male teachers don’t give up their chair to their female colleagues.
  
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  September 29, 2021 4:42pm
- cmm
  
  Ah, a Union meeting – fighting for THEIR rights (screw the kids).
  
  Where do they get those bucket-size wine gasses from? After a few of those I can see why teachers need the day off in front of the telly and it might be unsafe to wobble down the school corridors.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:23pm
- NoFax
  
  I noticed 4 masks and very cozy seating arrangements.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:55pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  The one up front has mastered turning water into wine…?
  
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  September 29, 2021 6:52pm
- tf78
  
  Only one mask to be seen was my impression.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:18pm
BeaB

All public servants should be docked 25% of their pay as an incentive to get this sorted.
No incentive now when they can sit on their bums at home on full pay.
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September 29, 2021 4:40pm
WaveyDavey

In other “well that’s a huge surprise” news

Auckland police inspector at centre of alleged border ‘favour’ breach is top iwi liaison officer

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-police-inspector-at-centre-of-alleged-border-favour-breach-is-top-iwi-liaison-officer/U6Q7DL7PB5HO5TJ4A2SXLEOICE/
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September 29, 2021 4:59pm
- cmm
  
  It could be worse… he could have been traveling with gang members…. It will be pretty hard to fix if that’s what happened.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:28pm
- tf78
  
  Who cares – he’s doing the right thing for his family, we should all follow his lead and do the same.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

uh oh…

NZ now 2 years without influenza…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-is-still-flu-free-heres-the-problem-with-that/MMHFMFUXHIN7Y32NGH4TISOIA4/
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September 29, 2021 5:01pm
- Cinematic
  
  Ticking ICU bomb. That’s where the excess is going to come from.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:06pm
- cmm
  
  One thing they don’t pick up is that all the isolation and hand sanitising etc would have severely reduced flu transmission.
  
  This has slowed down the harvesting effect, leaving a bumper crop for sometime soon.
  
  Odd wording: “found that influenza strains were continuing to perish globally”. Nope the document did not say “perished”, the document says “suppressed”. Very different. It is very unlikely that these strains have died out (what perished means) but are instead dormant waiting to kick in again as soon as they get a chance.
  
  200,000 flu cases in NZ a year? That’s a lot when you consider that those will be diagnosed cases – a very different thing to cases detected with PCR testing. With something more sensitive like PCR testing there would probably be 5x to 10x the number of cases.
  
  We use numbers for comparative purposes and most people reading these numbers will be using them as a benchmark for CV19.
  
  When the numbers are gathered by completely different methods (eg. diagnosis vs PCR testing) then the resulting comparison is disinformation – a lie.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:40pm
Inthe09

Hipkins – “Nationals plan is COVID by Christmas”

Ah, and what’s Labours, COIVD by Christmas, but with lockdowns?

Surely we are days, weeks at best, before this thing gets out of Auckland, then what’s their plan?

As for level 3 in Auckland – I went to get the car a WOF today, plenty of people standing around waiting – one lady commented “How long do you think it’ll take them to realise we’re not interested in their rules anymore”
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September 29, 2021 5:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Yer but Labour have given us the Second Coming of Covid , and Covid till Christmas and beyond.
  
  They need to be careful about being such smart arses.
  
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  September 29, 2021 5:43pm
dcrane

Quite clear now that the so-called “insurrection” was driven by the FBI – a psyop perpetrated against the American public.

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1443019511582633996
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September 29, 2021 5:07pm
Tasman Terror

[Deleted and you can have a week off as well. Mods]
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September 29, 2021 5:28pm
kowtow

Delta doing the rounds of a number of gangs .

Pity it isn’t as deadly as the fear mongers have led us to believe it is.
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September 29, 2021 5:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Interesting, when you consider that fatness is a comorbidity. Ever seen a skinny gang member?
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:36pm
NoFax

If it wasn’t for the alliteration do you think we would have called “Delta” deadly? At over 1100 cases and no deaths, doesn’t look that deadly to me.

I am not counting a 90+ woman on her last legs as a Covid death – that’s just plain nonsense.
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September 29, 2021 5:58pm
Aquataur

Now that our ‘first man’ Clarke Gayford has come out swinging at John Key, I hope that the media now see him as fair game.

Politician’s family have generally been off limits but if they want to enter the political fray, why should they expect a ‘hand’s off’ treatment
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September 29, 2021 6:03pm
- ecco
  
  John Key’s kids were never off limits with the gutter MSM here when he was PM. Almost think it made him step down mid term because of it. It would have been a contributing factor anyway.
  
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  September 29, 2021 7:03pm
- PeeJay
  
  You’d need a fair an impartial media for that to be the case!
  
  Key had to put up with all sorts of intrusion into his family’s private life – remember the hounding of his kids? Collins’ husband had a bit last year and even David Garret could tell you about the doorstop crap he had to go through.
  
  I personally don’t want to hear about the partners / family of politicians. It’s not relevant, and the fluffy women’s mags are the perfect place for that crap.
  
  This is just more proof, if ever it was needed, that the MSM have seriously crossed the impartial line.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:14pm
PeeJay

National’s Covid plan must be scaring the PM’s media team as it looks like it’s been buried on their favourite left wing blog site, otherwise known as Stuff!

They really should come with a disclaimer like most electoral adverts – this newspaper has been authorised by Jacinda Ardern!

Obviously getting a bit worried that this might force them to, well, you know, actually do something!
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September 29, 2021 6:52pm
PeeJay

Was thinking about the numbers today.

Now obviously nobody knows where this is going to go – today’s numbers could be an outlier or they could be the start of a surge following the change to L3 in Auckland. Just too early to tell but the next few days should be interesting.

Let’s suppose for a second that its the start of a surge. What then? L3 is obviously not doing it’s job but would Ardern have the guts to throw Auckland back into L4? The L3 decision was clearly a political decision – I suspect it was driven by focus groups and the message was clear – enough. Would she really be bold enough to go back to L4? Would Auckland meekly comply anyway or would the non-compliance ramp up?

This is a government that secured a massive majority based on the perception on Covid that ‘we’ve got this’. What happens to Labour, and Ardern’s popularity when it turn out that, no they haven’t got this, and they have just been bloody lucky all along? What happens then?

Expect to see the MSM in overdrive over the next few days – Collins and Seymour better be ready for the crap thats about to flow their way!
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September 29, 2021 8:07pm
- Cinematic
  
  I don’t think L4 is tenable. Auckland is on its knees. This is gonna get very interesting.
  
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  September 29, 2021 8:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, as Summer comes on, folks are not going to remain in small bubbles.
    
    There’s thousands of young teens having to sit exams in 7 weeks time (NCEA).
    
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    September 29, 2021 9:55pm
- Inthe09
  
  A good chunk of Auckland isn’t complying with level 3 restrictions, let alone going back to level 4.
  
  It’s all starting to unravel isn’t it –
  Case numbers up
  Compliance down
  Vaccine numbers stalling
  Kids missing more and more school
  God forbid even some negative stories in the press
  
  The Governments used fear as a strategy with the underlying message – do what we say and we’ll keep you safe “one death is one to many”. That works until the threat moves from theoretical to real – from ‘oh COVIDs in Auckland, not here’ to ‘it’s in my street’. How safe do you feel then? And how hollow do the Governments promises sound?
  
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  September 29, 2021 9:36pm
Russ the Muss

The government has no good options politically, therefore must take the least regrets approach. I would pivot and effectively take up keys plan, whilst saying it was always there’s, give it straight to us that our posture has changed, It’s now endemic and u must get vaccinated or the risk is on u. This is the only way out. Given their arrogance and perceived popularity combined with Cindy’s talking ability, she and her comrades in the TV media could pull it off!
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