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Happychappy

We need to move faster’: Climate Commission lays down challenge in final advice.
Are the people of New Zealand going to put up with being told what sort of careers or work they will be able to do, how much they can earn in business’s they have owned for years and what they can eat without interference from others well this will be the likelyhood if Rod Carr, James Shaw, Mike Joy, Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister with the help of the Labour Party and Green Party are working towards.
Let’s face it climate change does exist just not in the form that many activists would have you think and if they get their way on these maters and it is passed into law you will have no say and many will be out of work because of it, already it has been noted that over 2,000 mechanics will lose their jobs and be out of work with many other trade more than likely facing the same scenario.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/09-06-2021/the-time-is-now-climate-commission-issues-final-advice-and-lays-down-a-challenge/
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June 10, 2021 8:00am
- pdm
  
  Happy said:
  
  `Let’s face it climate change does exist………………..’
  
  Yep – it is the weather!!!!
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:07am
  - Unity
    
    The climate has always changed. It has been much colder and much warmer long before the industrial revolution, but oh we could be so clever to change it!!. It’s to do with the solar system, not us.
    
    However all too often they put pollution in the same sentence as climate change. They have nothing to do with each and yes, we should do something about pollution where it affects our waterways, plastic in the sea etc etc. But climate change won’t help.
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:40am
    - namron
      
      It is worth thinking a bit more widely when considering considering the Climate Commissions report.
      How about the fact that there are 81 cities in the world with greater populations than NZ’s 5,000,000. [eg Tokyo with 37,400,068]
      Can the dire predictions about the results for NZ and EVERYTHING we could do, make the slightest difference!!!
      
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      June 10, 2021 12:42pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Green lunacy.
  The ODT report. This issue of what has happened to the ETS taxes arises.
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/climate-change-report-2035-deadline-electric-vehicles
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:14am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  I wished you would post about something you know about happy chappy and stop being so hysterical. Electric cars have also sorts of mechanical features and little work is done on the engines of the NZ fleet of trucks because of the high mileage produced by the modern engines.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:23am
  - Blackbob
    
    Yes, they’ll be busy working on all those electric trucks about to hit our roads,,,any day now…
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:24am
    - ronsegal
      
      And of course all of those electric aeroplanes.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:30am
      - dave_c_
        
        Looks like I will have to be ridding myself /replacing tools around the house that consume petrol.
        Chainsaw, Leaf blower, Lawnmower,
        Arseholes
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:36am
    - oldfella
      
      JibberJabber provided a great Orwell quote yesterday. A perfect description of our Labour/Greens idiots.
      “What sickens me about left-wing people, especially the intellectuals, is their utter ignorance of the way things actually happen.”
      — George Orwell, A Life in Letters
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:09am
    - notreadyet
      
      Electric trucks are a possibility but what about a maize silage gang, a 500hp chopper and 3-4 300 HP tractors working 24,7 during the season stopping only to refuel and change drivers, no time for a battery charge, and the waikato and other parts of the country hare littered with them, same for grain combined in SI.
      Oh I forgot, won’t be any cows to eat the silage, in actual fact if we expect more production from fewer vows there will be a greater need for the likes of supplementary feed with more mavhines
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:46am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Heh. That was my experience this past season as I wrote about in Rain and Newton’s Laws:
        
        The energy required to perform all these feats is also incredible; at the end of the day we refill her with hundreds of litres of diesel fuel. I’m sure Elon Musk would welcome the challenge of running this thing on batteries, but they’re going to have to be something much better than lithium-ion. Graphene batteries perhaps, packing up to 1,000Wh per kilogram compared to 180Wh of energy per kilogram for Lithium-ion.
        
        Unfortunately diesel fuel powers in at almost 13,000Wh per kilogram.
        
        As I wrote in that piece, it’s also unfortunate that our education system is increasingly struggling to produce people who understand math and physics, resulting in a population that will swoon over “batteries” as a solution to AGW.
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:03am
      - alloytoo
        
        The problem is that Batteries do not power electric cars. Power stations do.
        
        and the energy store capacity of batteries is woeful compared to liquid and gas fuels.
        
        Most small cars have a tank capacity of about 40litres (31kgs of petrol), in 1994 that 40 litres would allow me to travel about 680kms (at 120kmh) .
        
        A battery alone with that sort of range would likely weigh more than the entire ICE vehicle (1994 Fiat Uno) and it would take considerably longer than 10 mins (with toilet break) to “recharge”.
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:43am
      - grumpy
        
        There was a bloody big Marion Electric excavator working at Stockton (also in overseas mines). It dragged a bloody big High Voltage (11kV?) cable behind. That will be fun.
        
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        June 10, 2021 1:28pm
  - Happychappy
    
    So your a expert Brian , please tell us your qualifications as my post is my opinion and like you I am allowed to voice it.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:37am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Electric vehicles will very likely be the future. What’s more the batteries, if any, will not be the primary power source. They may be used to “condition” the power or as buffer to meet extra demands for hills or towing etc.
    It may be 5 years away.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:38am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      More like 25 years away.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:41am
    - Cinematic
      
      Nuclear?
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:42am
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        Nuclear power would “solve” the fossil fuel “problem” in an instant. The only argument advanced against nuclear is exactly this however. The aim is not saving the planet, the aim is seriously diminishing everyone’s standard of living, by forcing us into expensive and unreliable power sources, except the mega-wealthy of course. Covid is now the second front on the war against the middle class.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:55am
    - Biscuit
      
      Cars? Cars?
      
      This wunnerfill Labour Government is gonna commit to every town in New Zealand having its own dedicated Harbour Bridge for pedestrians and Cyclists.
      
      No Harbour?
      
      We will budget for you to get one within two years…
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:47am
      - tf78
        
        Easy solution to housing and harbour crossing is fill in the harbour and drive to your new housing development.
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:16am
    - Paulus
      
      I understand that in a serious traffic jam or inclement weather (snow) an EV runs out of power quickly, and of course has no Air Con, Wipers or Heater. And nobody can get to you to recharge your batteries. Carry your own diesel generator in the boot perhaps.
      Where in New Zealand are we going to get the electricity from as we have no more electricity anyway and no future production as the report says ?
      One final, remember it is very possible that Shaw will be a very very senior Minister in the Labour/Green Coalition Government and a very powerful voice in promulgated his stupidity.
      Can Ardern pay him and the Green’s policy off – doubtful.
      What a horrible thought.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:49am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “an EV runs out of power quickly, and of course has no Air Con, Wipers or Heater. ”
        
        ummm totally false sorry. They have all those things.
        
        BTW I know 3 couples in Christchurch with EVs. They love them and they are fine for all the running about in town. But they all have kids and they all have large SUVs that they use for road trips.
        
        EVs are great for people who never leave town or who can afford a second petrol car long road trips. This latter group is of course high income families.
        
        For people on average incomes who like to travel, an EV is simply not an attractive proposition. I had a look on Trademe this morning. You can buy a perfectly decent car about 10 years old for $8,000. That is why people are not buying EVs. Simple as that.
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:19am
      - cmm
        
        Benedict: EVs are great… while they are still massively subsidised.
        
        Wait until they get to pay road user charges like everyone else does (either directly or indirectly via fuel levies). That will change things massively.
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:57am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Wait until they get to pay road user charges like everyone else does (either directly or indirectly via fuel levies). That will change things massively”
        
        No. It won’t. An EV doing 10,000 km per year (which most of them will do around town max) would pay $14.60 per week in RUC. That is not going to change things much.
        
        https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/licensing-rego/road-user-charges/ruc-rates-and-transaction-fees/#RUC-rates-for-distance-licences-powered
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:12am
      - Than
        
        Benedict Yu, that may be what they pay currently, but it wouldn’t be enough to pay for the roads they use.
        
        Currently petrol taxes pay for the majority of road construction/maintenance, so EV users are essentially getting a free ride. But that funding model won’t be sustainable once a majority of the fleet consists of EVs.
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:01am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Benedict Yu, that may be what they pay currently, but it wouldn’t be enough to pay for the roads they use.”
        
        My figure of $14 per week for RUC for an EV at 10,000 km per year is based on the RUC that a diesel car pays now if it were driven for 10,000 km per year. Are you saying that diesel cars are currently subsidised?
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:28am
      - alloytoo
        
        @Benedict
        
        “My figure of $14 per week for RUC for an EV at 10,000 km per year is based on the RUC that a diesel car pays now if it were driven for 10,000 km per year. ”
        
        The equivalent EV weighs considerably more than the that diesel vehicle and would need to pay higher RUCs
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:46am
      - gump
        
        @alloytoo
        
        Diesel RUCs are charged at the same rate for all vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes in weight.
        
        Doesn’t matter if you’re driving a Fiat diesel hatchback or a Land Rover Defender. They both pay the same RUCs.
        
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        June 10, 2021 12:53pm
      - zulumonster
        
        Benedict – I suspect when Paulus says an EV “of course has no Air Con, Wipers or Heater” he is referring to his earlier statement that “an EV runs out of power quickly” in the cold weather.
        
        In that scenario you may well still be right – they will still have all those things … they just won’t work!
        
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        June 10, 2021 2:52pm
      - alloytoo
        
        @gump
        
        I think that average weight of diesel vehicles in that class will still be lower than average EV weights.
        
        Realistic RUC on EV’s should be higher.
        
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        June 10, 2021 4:00pm
    - Inandout
      
      Kev, make that 20 years. The great swathe of Labour voters will of necessity retain their internal combustions. The rest of us will not happily fork out untold thousands of dollars for an electric vehicle that has parts costing mega bucks, and battery minerals mined under conditions that make caged hens look well cared for. The sight of children slaving away so the virtous can display their new EVs is sickening.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:51am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Fair enough. I expect a rush when the developers release them. There may still be small batteries but even those may not be from mining but possibly created in a “chip factory”.*
        The mining of cobalt by kids does have to stop.
        
        *A California university has recently shown forms of carbon to have random movements and those have been captured as electrical energy. Their vision now is the production of small batteries for instruments using standard integrated circuit chip manufacturing processes. Gang them up, as is a common practice, and do we have a large power unit for the future?
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:57am
      - cmm
        
        “A California university has recently shown forms of carbon to have random movements and those have been captured as electrical energy. ”
        
        Teenie tiny amounts of electrical energy.
        
        This is not something that is going to scale up to Watts – let alone the 10s of kW needed to move an EV.
        
        There is a fundamental principle in nature that you can’t suck energy out of nowhere.
        
        Vibration of particles in a material is a function of temperature. The only way to remove energy from particle vibration is to slow those particles down which makes them cooler. To then deliver more energy the particles have to be warmed up again to speed them up again.
        
        No free energy. Sorry.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:04am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Battery powered trucks are quite viable, (even more so if anyone develops battery swapping). Only thing holding them back is expansion of battery production factories (all being used for cars at the moment) Tesla Semi has an 800km range using a 500kWh battery pack and is really fast and efficient up and down hills owing to very high power + braking energy recovery
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:57am
      - Lance
        
        Typical truck is 600Hp (roughly 450kW)
        So that battery pack will last for an hour or so.
        I assume the battery packs are a shit load cheaper than the Tesla Power Wall’s at $10K for 7kWh?
        
        Don’t get me wrong, I am a fan of EV’s but a bit of reality has to set in every now and then.
        Myself, I think PHEV is the next step we should be aiming at, plug in when practical, otherwise use a highly efficient internal combustion engine.
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:41am
      - cmm
        
        ” Only thing holding them back is expansion of battery production factories”
        
        …. and generating and distributing the electricity.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:05am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Long lasting LiPo battery production costs are approaching USD $50/kWh now, they last for many 1000’s of cycles. A 500kWh battery is not going to be a big cost on a truck, and in fact the energy at the wheels is less than ~NZD $0.15-0.20/kWh charging using wholesale electricity and including battery life cost vs $0.30 for diesel engine.
        
        Truck diesel engines have max power of 450-550kW but operate at closer to 100kW on flat road at 90km/hr.
        
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        June 10, 2021 12:23pm
      - CJames
        
        No urban colonialist batteries are not nearly viable nor do they last a long time on rapid charge. The standard diesel 40 tonner uses about 30 litres/100km. That indicates the average power use is about 200kW. Now to do the 400km trips they do – Think Tauranga to Kaingaroa or Auckland to Rotorua return. That is about 7 hours running so you would need a 2000kWh power pack – Batteries don’t like being below 15% charge and are slow to charge over 80%. The 2000kW/h would be 10t of batteries by itself, probably 15 tonne with all the wiring and coolers. The coolers are essential because there is massive heat. Don’t give us the shit about these new advanced batteries, they are not here and available now. With 10 tonne of running structure, wheels, frames, motors etc, the payload of the truck is down to 15 tonnes. So you need twice as many trucks on the road for the same freight. Many of the trucks do 20 hour days with two drivers.
        When it comes to charging, it is even worse. You have to charge slowly to make the batteries last. Rapid charging kills batteries. They have to be kept cool. With a half charge, it would take 6 hrs at 200kW and need about 20kW of heat dissapated. That is why they need coolers. Now do you know what a 200kW rated extension cord looks like? You couldn’t lift it. Each cable would need its own street sized transformer – 300kVA rating. The truck park would need to be next to a major substation because of the load. You would need two trucks – one on the road, one charging. So that is four times the current number of trucks.
        And I haven’t even addressed the extra power stations needed.
        And you can’t buy a Tesla semi. Still only a fantasy, like the ute he promised.
        
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        June 10, 2021 5:15pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Maybe, maybe not Kev. There’s also hydrogen. Which will be cheaper, easier to fill (just a pump at a gas station) and go much, much further. I have a mate in Europe that just go rid of his top of the line Tesla (after 5 years of driving them) because of the difficulty finding charging stations, time spent charging and battery degradation.
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:18am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Several development teams see their work providing prime mover power for cars trucks, ships, trains and aircraft. Atomic states of hydrogen seem to be providing opportunities.
        The same sources will likely extend to off-the-grid domestic electricity supply.
        
        This work is sufficiently credible, advanced and visible to those who wish to see. The likelihood of it becoming available should be factored into long term future energy planning. Oil and coal may be left as a chemical industry feedstock resource.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:09am
      - cmm
        
        Hydrogen is cheaper??? How do you figure that out?
        
        Hydrogen can be made by cracking hydrocarbons (wasteful – more energy in just burning the hydrocarbon) or with electrolysis (wasteful – rather just use the electricity).
        
        Hydrogen is a bugger to handle and store too, Unlike LPG, hydrogen needs cryogenic storage to keep it in liquid form. In gas form it does not provide much energy per volume and needs huge pressures (over 3x the pressure in SCUBA tanks).
        
        The only viable storage mechanism are various hydrides and those are far from great.
        
        All these factors make hydrogen a bugger to work with and, therefore, also very expensive.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:18am
      - Unity
        
        I hope I’m long gone before EVs become compulsory, if they ever do. I can’t see it ending well and foresee a lot of headaches.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:45am
      - MCos
        
        My son has an electric car for going to work.
        I used it now and then.
        It’s fine.
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:33am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Here’s hydrogen at work directly catalysed out of water. It is believed that interactions with plasma changes the state of the hydrogen atom itself, not the molecule, with enormous release of energy.
        Others are working with plasma too on the fist-sized scale.
        
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        June 10, 2021 2:11pm
      - cmm
        
        Kev: Do you know how much energy is required to maintain a plasma? We’re talking thousands of degrees – huge amounts of energy.
        
        Every time a hydrogen atom escapes water it can only do so by absorbing huge amounts of energy (which is the energy it later releases when it burns).
        
        If this is happening in a plasma, then that energy is extracted from the plasma and more energy needs to be jacked in to restore the plasma.
        
        You can’t turn a blind eye to the laws of physics.
        
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        June 10, 2021 4:45pm
    - Phronesis
      
      Come on Kev, post the link to your Nigerian inventor and his magical free energy power source.
      
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      June 10, 2021 11:19am
  - Opie
    
    What do you base this on Brian? The trucks sitting in my workshop all appear to be getting worked on. Modern engines last no longer than previous variants and will generally require more expensive repairs on the way, largely due to the amount of emissions reduction systems they have.
    
    The bay of plenty alone is 30 diesel mechanics short, most workshops are booked out 2-3 weeks in advance. We need to add 1000,s of mechanics, not take them away.
    
    The common thinking is that if all trucks went electric then our workforce would be cut by 2/3rds. All that you will do is cof, suspension and brakes. Basic upkeep on the electric motor.
    
    Fortunately this is still a long way in the future as the range for an electric truck is not more than 200kms yet. Although based on prior performance, the muppets will mandate it and then wonder why it costs so much to truck food around the country…
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:48am
    - Matt Long
      
      Don’t worry they’ll deliver everything site to site with trains.
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:57am
      - Opie
        
        Based on current performance that will take a week to get your goods from Wellington to palmerston north and then you still have to collect them, once they finally decide to unload them from the diesel train!
        
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        June 10, 2021 1:45pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Actually the loss of mechanics and some other roles relating to automobiles was part of the reporting on Newstalk ZB. They way they gave the figure I presumed it was one of the estimates from the CCC report itself.
    Will be interesting to confirm, because they mainly glossed over things like cost/impacts to consumer/households in the draft version.
    In any case, can see economic harm in several directions from the main recommendations around gas and dairy.
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:03am
- Maxx
  
  There are many things that I find troubling about everything to do with the Climate Commission, but the main ones are
  – The report produced paints a stark picture of our future and appears to take a dogmatic view that the more serious outcomes are the most likely.
  – Then the report produced paints a path that relies on many things working to plan despite being larger in nature than Kiwibuild. When questioned about things not working to plan, those concerns are dismissed. An example is the requirement of new generation to meet the needs to be EV dominant. The answer touted is that industry already have generation planned so it’s not a problem, yet if we can apparently rely on industry to do this, why do we need to be told what to do?
  – The Commission and the various working groups are all comprised of like minded people so in many ways the thinking was predetermined and areas where there may be potential pitfalls to the plan are not seen.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:24am
  - nathie
    
    Why do these urban liberal elitist’s want to make the poor and low income families (and their children) worse off as they will end up paying more for cars (electric will be unafforadable), transport, goods and energy including home heating?
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The poor and the low-income battlers live in a different sphere from the urban elite.
      They hardly ever meet.
      
      Out of sight, out of mind….. except at election time.
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:01am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      The draft CCC report already stated the need, in the example of rising power prices if their plans were adopted, for Maori-Pacifica and low income households to be subsidised.
      So there you go comrades – redistribution of wealth by other means. Which is what on some level the whole Climate business seems to be about.
      Tax is love.
      
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      June 10, 2021 11:06am
      - Nickc2
        
        I would like to see the Terms of Reference that accompanied the issuing of the contract to write this report.
        It sounds to me like the report was written by Green Communist Interests with no interest whatsoever in a prosperous New Zealand leading into the future for whatever population survives after the great Maori Separatist Reset.
        
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        June 10, 2021 2:03pm
  - rouppe
    
    Delivered by a guy that looks like Karl Marx, and squints when he talks.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      and squints when he talks
      
      Rod Carr is legally blind (partially sighted) and has been so since birth.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/110369900/rod-carrs-hard-yards
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:04am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “Rod Carr is legally blind”
        So he doesn’t drive then, just like James Shaw.
        Why then, are these non-drivers in such a powerful position to influence what we do or don’t drive?
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:14am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        James Shaw apparently does have a drivers licence which he recently passed. This is an interesting profile.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/08/we-are-a-role-model-how-james-shaw-pushed-new-zealand-towards-a-zero-carbon-future
        
        The report says that “he does not enjoy driving” and his recreation is a walk in Wellington and having one beer. When questioned he could not name a single book or piece of music that he liked.
        
        This is relevant. Someone who “does not enjoy driving” is IMO more likely to dismiss the impact of his policies on average income families who rely on their affordable cars to ferry children around and to go on road trips.
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:28am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        I dare say it is his willful blindness around seeking least impacting solutions, moderation, negative effects on fellow citizens or even alternative points of view which are more concern for us and future NZers.
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:12am
      - sooty
        
        But he travels everywhere for miles and miles, with someone else driving. Crown limo, family or friends and even taxis!
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:20am
      - alwyn
        
        @Benedict.
        Re James Shaw. I imagine he would, as a Minister of the Crown want to be able to drive, After all the taxpayer supplies him with a free self drive car. He wouldn’t want to waste that.
        Of course though he doesn’t like to drive. Neither would you when the option he has, always available, is a chauffeured limousine.
        He certainly isn’t on an average income. He gets about $250,000/year plus perks after all. As for ferrying children around he doesn’t do that either. He hasn’t got any kids.
        He really doesn’t fit any of the measures of being an average family man does he? No wonder his views are a bit strange
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:21am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘and having one beer’
        
        While he’s sitting there nursing his solitary beer , I wonder if he contemplates the fact that those little bubbles are killing the planet.
        
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        June 10, 2021 12:33pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    It’s like
    When you are about to make a serious and impactful decision.
    You first write a “Pro’s” and “Con’s” list.
    Seems here they have written a “Pro’s” list and what the action plan should be.
    But forgot the “Con’s” list.
    or to think about what the consequences of these “actions” may be.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:46am
    - Maxx
      
      Absolutely. It’s well known that cognitive bias plays a strong part in any pros and cons list with issues around framing, control, and overconfidence. They’re suggested for only the most basic of decision making.
      
      I’m sure the people involved are all well meaning but I also can see that they framed their solution then asked for feedback which really was a request for affirmation and not consultation. Actually, I don’t even believe they asked for feedback.
      
      And it’s the same issue with councils – we’ve got a solution and you can have a 22% rates increase or 15%. Yet again no genuine discussion with the community on the greatest issues, and ranking those by importance and level of community impact. Just the bias’s of councillors, the loudest screamers, and whack-jobs (and yes, that’s the technical term).
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:44am
    - Ehlana
      
      There are no “cons” RW. “Cons” are only created by colonial patriarchal oppression and this government is dedicated to reducing the population of those, don’t you know.
      
      And as for consequences – to experience those, you first have to take action. Mere announcements will not do it. So going by the current record of this government, not much chance of consequences either.
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:56am
      - Maxx
        
        I apologise for being a white male who has oppressed you all of your life and the actions of my ancestors who arrived here with nothing, worked hard, were genuinely productive and created a better life for them and their families while helping to create economic prosperity for the country. How can I ever make it right?
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:37am
  - Cassandra
    
    And its report refers to Aotearoa as if that’s the name of this country. Only twice to New Zealand, about 10 times to Aotearoa. Let’s have a referendum.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Commie conditioned dreams.
    All hui no doi.
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:10am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    Maxx
    All of those points you make also apply directly to Covid.
    
    Try this exercise: substitute climate change alarmism for Covid alarmism, and a consistent picture emerges. It’s the same playbook.
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:59am
    - Maxx
      
      Totally agree and it is what is stopping us from being able to move forward. Were the actions taken in April last year necessary? Border lock down and social policies would have worked but I’m OK with the response then because there was little and mixed info to go on. And it’s in the past so we need to move forward.
      
      But the continued repetition of the fear and crying that the sky is falling makes everyone jump at ghosts. A family member recently didn’t want to meet because I had a work colleague visit from Australia , from an area where there were no outbreaks, and we’d met for lunch.
      
      Yet this same person was quite happy to go to a crowded concert and be in a crowded restaurant where i would argue there was a greater risk of infection spread, but I would also still say a risk so low it is not worth considering.
      
      Ardern and Co. despite all of their rhetoric for being kind and compassionate have created an environment of fear and segregation.
      
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      June 10, 2021 11:54am
- Tomtoddy
  
  It is a shocking and scurrilous response. Culling nearly a million cows and four million sheep for a “problem” that does not exist. Are we collectively so stupid we kill the golden goose that is keeping our economy alive?
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:26am
  - Ruawai
    
    And James Shaw on ZB this morning said reducing herd numbers won’t reduce productivity because farmers are innovative and have got higher yields per cow.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:36am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Has Shaw talked this over with any cows or their farmers?
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:39am
      - igm
        
        Shaw, Parker, and O’Connor would not be wise to attend Fed Farm meetings at the moment. Nathan Guy went to stock sales and farm shows . . . bet these worms would not have the guts.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:06am
      - Ruawai
        
        Maybe Shaw wants to move NZ to factory farming like the sort of farms on Greta’s new video.
        
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        June 10, 2021 1:29pm
      - Ehlana
        
        Kev, I understand the cows refused to meet with him. Something about being deeply opposed to increasing their productivity when they don’t see that happening among the humans.
        
        The response of the sheep was reputedly unrepeatable.
        
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        June 10, 2021 1:36pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Shaw is a wanker of the first order IMO. But, you can hardly blame him with all those dopey shielas in his party. They’re enough to put any male off sex.
        
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        June 10, 2021 1:45pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I can see it now.
      Cows with udders so big and full of milk, that they can’t walk to the milking shed.
      What could possibly be wrong with that?
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:49am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        or
        Milked so often , they might as well stay in the milking shed and have the feed brought to them?
        
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        June 10, 2021 8:50am
      - Jack5
        
        The Greens are Utopians, socialist Utopians, barking mad Utopians.
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:49am
    - GJM
      
      As a farmer, believe me, if we could economically increase production with fewer cows, we would do so.
      One way into load up the synthetic fertilizer and bought in feed like PKE. Very environmentally friendly…
      Maybe, as an expert he would like to detail exactly how this is going to be achieved, with all details and numbers.
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:04am
      - oldfella
        
        No, GJM, they don’t do ‘numbers’. This mob is more into ‘aspirational’ goals.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:02am
      - igm
        
        Imagine the little wimp in a herringbone getting a squirt of fresh new season’s grass . . . he would run home to mummy.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:08am
    - Nickc2
      
      Tell im ese dreamin Jonsey.
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:48am
    - Maxx
      
      If there is so much believe that farmers are innovative enough to magically produce higher yields or replace income, surely they are innovative enough to reduce methane emissions?
      
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      June 10, 2021 12:14pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Probably. Well so far we’ve been collectively stupid enough to keep supporting a Government which is on a mission to destroy our country.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:45am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Unfortunately, Tom T half + of NZ voters are(stupid), keen on sleepwalking into a Holomodor driven by the Green Party fantasy and facilitated by Ardern, of destroying the country to save it.
    The Green dream of having us all freeze to death in the dark whilst starving.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:09am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    James and Jacinda, the Australian farmers best friend, keep it going, the future is looking very rosy across the ditch.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:29am
  - Liberty
    
    Anti farming Labour and its green lick-spitals have an agenda to close down heartland New Zealand. Exterminating cows and sheep is just a start
    Under the pretext it is reducing the mythical Methane problem.
    When there is technology available that would achieve the same result .
    
    “Australian researchers working for a New Zealand stock and station company are developing a genetically engineered grass to reduce the amount of methane given off by livestock such as cows.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/403743/Biotech-grass-developed-to-reduce-methane
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:09am
    - Ehlana
      
      As long as it’s not genetically modified grass. GMO is evil, this I know, for the Greens have told me so.
      
      Genetically engineered is different right? Or is grass not classified as an organism?
      
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      June 10, 2021 1:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We can’t have GE/GM grass in NZ. (or any GM crops)
        
        Our poor Agronomists have to send their super GM ryegrass over to the USA if they want to do any research on the plants.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/105433107/us-trials-bring-gm-ryegrass-a-step-closer
        
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        June 10, 2021 7:04pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    100% this.
    The one positive story out of Covid was dairy & global milk prices.
    We all want diversification of our economy, but it is an oft-stated fact that NZ dairy has the lowest carbon footprint dairy worldwide. (50% lower than most).
    I would be thinking we should be increasing production and telling all the climate alarmists overseas to drink NZ milk.
    we have a genuine angle here, since all other milk is doing greater harm to the planet 😉
    Yet these people are fanatics with only 1 goal in mind, which is preventing some apocalypse.
    No price to too great for YOU to pay.
    
    Anthropogenic Climate change is a modern social panic and millenary movement in one.
    All this sacrifice is worth as much to me as making an offering of a fatted calf to the flying spaghetti monster.
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:21am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Let’s hope they start with Auckland’s stinking smoke blowing Diesel Bus fleet!
  Have you ever found yourself stuck behind one of these mobile health hazards? I always just pull off to the side and wait for a few other cars to overtake so they can suck in the fumes. Disgusting things.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:26am
  - Ruawai
    
    In Pukekohe you could just cancel all bus services and the zero people catching them won’t mind and then less carbon emitted. Not sure how long AT plan to run these services of buses with no passengers in the hope people will start using them, must be well over 5 years now.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:38am
    - TWEEDSE
      
      It is the same up here in Whenuapai. Empty busses all day long. Belching out diesel particulates and causing cues of cars stuck behind the slow moving road slugs. Oh and you can include higher road maintenance due to the increase in heavy vehicles on the road.
      
      And what is Auckland Councils answer, keep running empty busses and declare a climate emergency.
      
      Auckland Council are a pack of dangerous fools.
      
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      June 10, 2021 1:53pm
  - igm
    
    That stink in a diesel is the result of incompetent or lack of servicing, especially filters.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:41am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    You must be the lady with red hair seen frequently parking on shop pavements in Otahuhu wearing a snorkel and a colourful lei Maggie and getting red lipstick over the KFC bones. How quaint.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:42am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Holy shit! I hope you haven’t got me in your sights Brian 🙁
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:44am
      - Biscuit
        
        I’ve not met either of Brian or Maggie but, boy, that sounds like an impending Date From Hell!
        
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        June 10, 2021 8:49am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        Not really into fa’afafines old dear.
        
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        June 10, 2021 8:50am
      - JibberJabber
        
        ↑↑ Bigot! ↑↑
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:11am
      - David Garrett
        
        Maggie: You are aware of the type of “sights” Brian Ronald McDonald likes to look through I presume?
        
        And you are female (albeit probably a little too mature for Ol’ Brian) so you need to tread carefully…
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:43am
      - cmm
        
        Don’t worry Maggy – he’s a crap shot.
        He’ll miss you and hit the person standing next to you.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:21am
      - cmm
        
        Sorry – Maggie, not Maggy
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    do what you like, it’s your rates.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:51am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Be careful for what you wish for. Yes, the CCC is on that too.
    https://www.transport.govt.nz/area-of-interest/environment-and-climate-change/public-transport-decarbonisation/
    
    Electrifying buses came with a price tag of nearly 2 billion $$ spread over a few years from memory.
    A EV bus is around $750,000 apparently.
    
    No money for nurses said Cindy (and blamed the pandemic), but at least we are focusing on the things that count!
    Mostly empty buses, but new & EV!
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:31am
    - Ruawai
      
      Someone needs to run some figures on how many people would need to walk, cycle, catch buses and trains to make a difference to congestion on roads.
      
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      June 10, 2021 1:08pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Cindy said the other day that the Govt will be contributing its fleet of EVs to the 2nd Hand EV Industry. Big deal. Who wants a clapped-out Govt EV that will require a new battery as a minimum.
      Eff em, I’d rather buy another 2nd Hand Diesel SUV.
      
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      June 10, 2021 2:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Paris Agreement clearly stated that each country was to achieve lower CO2 emissions in a manner that “does not threaten food production”.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1910/S00153/paris-agreement-on-climate-change-threats-to-food-security.htm
  
  If NZ reduces its Milk and meat production, some other countries will take up the slack.
  
  We’ll end up with a buggered economy and the World will gain an increase in atmospheric CO2 and CH4 levels as countries like USA, India, China, Russia, Brazil, Germany, France etc will carry on producing Milk and meat in a less efficient manner than NZ.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:28am
  - Dougal10
    
    Yip the world will cut down rain forrests to grow the food while we plant bloody pine trees all over current food producing land to avoid paying domestic green house gas taxes.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:34am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      True Dougal. We then send the trees to China who use them for boxing and burn them sending the CO2 back into the atmosphere. More madness.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:46am
    - Bullion
      
      That’s not how it works. They cut down forests to create pasture for animals or plant food which they then feed to animals. Raising animals to eat is very, very inefficient.
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:27am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The best thing to do would be to let the ETS do its job. There is no need for all this draconian regulation. I would also like to see the details of the Commission’s economic modelling.
  
  As for cars, people will switch to more fuel efficient and electric vehicles as it makes economic sense. 80 percent of car sales in New Zealand are for second hand cars of 20,000 dollars or less. 60 percent are less than 10 000 dollars.
  
  The Commission’s proposals will price some people out of car ownership.
  
  On to unintended consequences. If petrol car imports are banned after 2030 the prices of such cars already here will rise. Simple supply and demand. By 2040 the roads will be full of inefficient 20 and 30 year old cars. Or is the government planning to ban the registration of a petrol car by say 2040? Because that will be the only way to get them off the road. Otherwise I guarantee that many New Zealanders in 2035 will be driving 20 year old corollas. Not EVs. But that will make the government angry.
  
  Interesting anecdote. When Cuba could not import cars, the fleet became frozen as it was in 1959. Well maintained cars that were decades old increased in value considerably. In the early 2000s some limited ownership of residental real estate was allowed. However people quickly realised that it made no sense. It was more profitable to rent your house and invest in cars. True story. Maybe that will be New Zealand after 2035 ?
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:36am
  - GJM
    
    Talking to a friend this morning. A mutual acquaintance has just traded in his mint 2 year old Hilux on a car. He got $5kmore than he paid for it new 2 years ago! This is due to the shortage of uses at present. This is a taste of what is to come.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:09am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Indeed. It would appear though that nobody at the Commission, or the Ministry for the Environment, truly understands how emissions trading works. One expects such ignorance of Government ministers, but to find it in what are supposed to be official experts is deeply concerning.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    You’re too rational expecting to see their workings.
    
    The Commission are not rational, nor have they considered the Govt. There will be a horrendous shift in used car prices. The less well off who need a car for work won’t be able to afford it, so no work and onto the benefit?
    
    Ardern will love the implications of the mess proposed to be created for the people she claims to represent. If only she had discernment.
    Has Twyford been re-engaged as an adviser?
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:23am
    - Maxx
      
      The commission didn’t consider anything they didn’t want to or that would call into question their assumptions.
      
      And Ardern only cares about the optics of here and now. Evidence of that is the constant drive to control the media. And if she had foresight she wouldn’t have (as the Minister) waitied for child poverty to increase before throwing more money at it. And she would also understand that making a statement and having a frowny face doesn’t fix a problem either.
      
      And in many ways that’s great as it means this is unlikely to go through in any meaningful way and will likely end up in the same basket as the CTG. This would impact the lifestyle of too many people who are influential to the party.
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:52am
  - Maxx
    
    But that doesn’t include any social engineering? How will they all be able to point out how wrong we are unless they dictate how we change?
    
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    June 10, 2021 12:17pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  It so exists Labour Planted a TREE
  they did I have not seen it I do not know where it is
  but I did hear
  
  LABOUR PLANTED A TREE
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:25am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Are you on crack ???
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:58am
    - sooty
      
      Well they would, seen as they don’t have Jonesy to show the way!
      
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      June 10, 2021 11:25am
    - ABS4EVA
      
      Are you missing your Hit now the AUS
      Federal Police Hit your GANGS ha ha ha
      
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      June 10, 2021 12:30pm
- oldfella
  
  According to the Economic Time of India: “India, Australia, China, Russia pushing ‘massive’ coal expansion”
  https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/coal/india-australia-china-russia-pushing-massive-coal-expansion/83248723
  Nah, not us bro. I’m with Cindy on this one. It’s our ‘nuclear moment’ dontcha know?
  Gotta ruin the NZ economy to save us all.
  
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  June 10, 2021 12:39pm
  - oldfella
    
    And we are contributing a whopping 0.1% of global emissions, so we obviously have to do something or the planet will die, I tell you, die!
    
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    June 10, 2021 12:55pm
- Justitia
  
  Are we really meant to take seriously a report whose authors denied access sought via the OIA to the assumptions and data behind it and which contains not even a rudimentary cost-benefit analysis? Pure Stalinism.
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:05pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I think the objective of these reports is for us to ignore them. This one exists to quietly create, and get into the public record a supposedly scientific artefact that can later be used as a justification for illogically-driven policy.
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:16pm
krazykiwi

While CDC cooks the books and all manner of elites push vaccine passports and the only way forward, below the MSM radar there are a growing number of countries, states and other authorities using a range of protocols for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19. I have been drilling into the use of Ivermectin, and anti-parasite drug that is post-patent, and has been administered to 3.9 billion people since the mind 1970s. Some interesting links:

❖ Only one state in Mexico has promoted the use of Ivermectin. In July 2020, Chiapas state officials went door-to-door making Ivermectin available for prophylaxis and treatment. Here is Mexico’s cumulative Covid-19 mortality by state.

❖ Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases. Also refer Joint Statement on Widespread Use of Ivermectin in India for Prevention and Early Treatment from The Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy and The Frontline Covid Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) Alliance

❖ Studies showing the improvements as a result of using Ivermectin: Prophylaxis (100% [14 studies]), Early treatment (95.7% [23 studies]), Late Treatment (90.5% [21 studies])

Given that Pfizer and or Moderna both admit that their clinical testing does not include establishment of reduced transmission, why are other prophylaxis/treatment protocols being ignored by authorities? Why are they pushing to ‘vaccinate’ every human?
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June 10, 2021 8:02am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Yawn.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:04am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Not bad getting 35 downticks for 1 word. Could be a record.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:43am
    - Biscuit
      
      Erm, Brian, you should see the record numbers of Upticks you often get when you post ZERO words.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:50am
    - Cassandra
      
      Do take it personally, Brian.
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:06am
    - JackRabbit
      
      A broken record.
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:32am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Tell that to the people that could have easily be given these cheap drugs.
    You and Fauci seem about as sinister as each other in your approach to this fiasco.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:33am
    - MCos
      
      When things are looking grim & your uptick count is in the doldrums you can always put the boot into old Anthony Fauci.
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:03am
- JackRabbit
  
  Ivermectin, Doxycycline, Hydroxychloroquine, are three main drugs being used. Along with fresh air and sunshine. Most doctors in NZ that give a shit and can read, actually know about this. Most except the ingrained doctors pushing the drug company products, and who are hard core Labour or Green voters, can’t think or read, and who toe the narrative. This includes Ashley Bloomfield.
  
  Anti-Parasitical drugs work because they stop the virus replication.
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:31am
  - MCos
    
    Fresh air & sunshine.
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Any comments on the use of black seed oil (black cumin seed nigella sativa) which is widely used throughout the Muslim world?
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:31am
  - alloytoo
    
    I blame Trump, if he had simply said that he thought these drugs were ineffective, than the world would be rolling them out quicker than you can say “Vaccinate”
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:03am
Maggie Pie

“Political Correctness is something fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and promoted by a sick mainstream press, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end”

– Pres. Harry S. Truman.
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June 10, 2021 8:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  You can’t polish a turd. Even the myth busters couldn’t when they tried.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But you can roll it in glitter 😀
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:32am
    - MCos
      
      There’s a petition before parliament to ban glitter.
      Now I understand why.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:38am
- MCos
  
  Maybe so, but
  
  “Men are like linoleum floors. Lay ’em right and you can walk all over them for thirty years.”
  Betsy Salkind
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:23am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😛
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:32am
- Mike
  
  ‘Most of the quotes one reads on the internet are invented’
  – Abraham Lincoln
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:29am
Tony Stuart

Why is the Reserve Bank, supposedly politically neutral, using social media to endorse a government policy?

https://twitter.com/LobbyNewZealand/status/1402702901017923584
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June 10, 2021 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This was an interesting read.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125394008/working-holiday-visas-extended-immigration-reset-delayed
  
  The government is big on “resets” and grand reform announcements. However they are also big on contradictory policy settings and terrible delivery.
  
  The government wants to “reset” immigration to reduce the reliance on migrant workers in low skill jobs. This is a good idea in principle. However to execute the policy would require other changes, expecially to the welfare system. The government has just increased benefits and has drastically reduced the requirement for the unemployed to show they are seeking work.
  
  There are solutions to these problems but I just cannot see them being executed. So what could happen?
  
  Most likely. Lobbying will result in the changes being diluted or quietly abandoned.
  
  Least likely but possible. The government will press ahead with its reset at pace. The supply of workers will fall. Wages will increase as employers try to attract the scarce competent dairy milkers, vineyard workers etc. This will make internationally tradeable businesses like dairy less competitive. Businesses like restaurants will pass on the cost increases but those that are marginal already will close.
  
  Rationing migrant labour will also see a switch to automation where that is possible. There are big advances coming in horticulture with robotic picking machines.
  
  Essentially the roosters are coming home to roost as New Zealanders say. Yes it is kind of crazy that a majority of petrol stations in the country are staffed by young Indian people. But fixing it will be more difficult than the government believes.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Sorry I intended that to be a new comment. Not a reply to Tony.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:39am
  - Dougal10
    
    You must live in a fancy part of the country if your petrol stations have staff . Or are you talking about the convienence store attached to a few of them.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:41am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I am talking about the Indian guy at the counter of the petrol station. I say to him “pump number 3” and he says “that is $87.50 thanks”. And he says “Would you like a Mars Bar 2 for 1 offer.” and I say “No thanks”.
      
      What did you think I was referring to?
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:32am
      - David Garrett
        
        Benedict: Yes…isn’t that fucking upselling irritating?
        
        When I use manned stations – as someone has noted they are increasingly rare – I say very clearly “Pump 7…Just the diesel please”. These poor sods are so programmed that despite my saying “Just the diesel” invariably the next question is “would you like a coffee?” I am progressively less tolerant with such responses
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:50am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yep, its not just Petrol Stations. I went into a Menswear Shop the other day and honestly, it was like they had their hands in my pockets before I had stepped over the threshold.
        It’s like this in many countries overseas but you don’t expect such behavior in your own country.
        
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        June 10, 2021 9:56am
      - Dougal10
        
        I haven’t not just paid at the pump for at least 3 years so not sure what happens inside the shop anymore.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:06am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @BY and DG: the minimum wage workers are just doing what they’re trained to do, which is to push whatever impulse buy the company is promoting. They’re directly rewarded if they achieve a certain number of sales, or if their outlet sells the most in the region, and so on.
        
        Plenty of people do buy them, I let it wash over me and say No thanks.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:18am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        It’s easy to say ‘no thanks’, and the more people who choose the overpriced coffee and snacks, the less I will have to pay for petrol.
        
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        June 10, 2021 10:19am
      - MCos
        
        I say to those guys, if they’re Indian
        G’day, mate, #5.
        Watching the cricket next week?
        Which side do you support?
        You what! You’re in NZ now.
        We have laugh, I pay the money and I’m on my way.
        
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        June 10, 2021 2:30pm
  - Local Miller
    
    An unemployment will increase as those business that can move to automation. An unintended consequence: They move to automation because they can’t get enough workers, but this makes some of the workers they have redundant.
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:01am
- Frank the tank
  
  Beetroot is anything but a political animal.
  
  He knows who butters his bread……
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:21am
  - Flossie
    
    Sorry…am I missing something? Who’s beetroot?
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:43pm
    - LauraNorda
      
      She’s the Policeman’s girlfriend.
      
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      June 10, 2021 2:49pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Serious departure from its vital independence. They have gone stark staring nuts. Their $100 billion credit creation was the worst move ever undertaken in its history. Now they are wasting money on Maorification and consultants.
  
  Spare us, please.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:23am
- MrTips
  
  Because Tony, as I’ve indicated before, in 2017 the RB was forced to sign up to the network for greening financial systems: https://www.ngfs.net/en/about-us/governance/origin-and-purpose
  
  The public was not told as Gracinda want this on the downlow.
  
  Now the RB having been forced by Gracinda to do this, must follow every dictate of an offshore committee chaired by China and that includes public statements.
  
  It needs more sunlight – perhaps at a Monday morning conf call with Tova?? Yeah right….
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:31am
- Bullion
  
  Accepting Climate Change is politically neutral. The Climate Change Commission is politically neutral, just like the Reserve Bank, an independent Government agency.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:38am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    So like the Treasury or other departments, the government can just ignore the advice when it doesn’t suit them?
    While they have been caught out doing that before, if only it were so on this occasion.
    
    This is Cindy’s ‘nuclear moment’.
    I expect rather a lot will find a favourable response. These guys don’t really see ‘unintended consequences’ even on more patently obvious changes they make.
    
    And just how independent (or diverse of thought) some of these appointees in various commissions really are remains to be seen.
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    Surely that’s got to be Tui’s billboard stuff!
    YEA, RIGHT!
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:49pm
KevO'Brien

The social cost of carbon may be positive. It has brought greening. Drop that and we drop global food production. Perhaps we will need less with the lesser classes being compelled to walk or cycle and cows being fitted with gas absorbers. Are they going to cap volcanoes too?

Models are tilted to green enforcement–where’s the reason?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/09/social-cost-of-carbon/
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June 10, 2021 8:20am
- G152
  
  Cant wait to see the reduced crops when its all done by electric tractors.
  And the great numbers of electric trucks moving produce, livestock and doing all of 100 Km before having to recharge
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:32am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I was also surprised by their electric planes recommendations. I doubt there are electric planes in the next 30 years that can shift the pax of an A320. Did they talk to aviation experts or is it just fantasy?
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:42am
    - Cassandra
      
      Fantasy. Cloud cuckoo land. Even in this time of great tech advances, electric planes are like that opening scene in Star Wars………..
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:09am
    - Nickc2
      
      It was nothing more than a bum pluck wish. However, we will prepare for it by not importing any other aircraft than electric.
      BTW, if we are so struck with electric aircraft, why did the RNZAF recently purchase jet and jet-prop-driven aircraft? Oh, that’s right, they haven’t been delivered yet and orders can be canceled.
      
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      June 10, 2021 10:06am
Mike

Happy World Art Nouveau Day!
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June 10, 2021 8:21am
krazykiwi

“Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.”
― Marie Curie, The first woman to win a Nobel Prize (Chemistry)
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June 10, 2021 8:21am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Says the guy who won’t post under his name for fear of being known as Covid conspirator.
  Bathing in the shine of someone else’s achievements again KK. When you grew up did you feel that you wanted to be a 5ft 1in physicist but mummy said you had to be a boy?
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:30am
  - Dougal10
    
    WTF
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:43am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Brian, you really are a negative pain-in-the-arse. You must have a terrible life.
      
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      June 10, 2021 11:09am
      - David Garrett
        
        Don B: He’s fucking lucky to have a life at all…If he’d shot that poor young girl 30 years before he did he would be long dead and gone.
        
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        June 10, 2021 12:26pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Posting under your name hasn’t added any gravitas or extra meaning to your posts. I’ve no interest in the name of posters but I do take an interest in the content of posts.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:46am
    - igm
      
      Some people have no shame by posting their name in public.
      
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      June 10, 2021 8:58am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Shame isn’t a factor, clearly.
        I don’t think Brian’s reputation could be lowered any further by being an arsehole on KB when he has ended 2 human lives & was convicted of both crimes.
        He seems to relish that he posts under his own name as he draws a lot of attention to it as a point of difference.
        Very odd, but as above; no reputation worth protecting I suppose.
        Perhaps a pathology of superiority and contempt for others makes it easier to become a double murderer.
        Presume some state employed psychologists have already attempted a poke inside his head within the context of him being detained at Her Majesty’s pleasure.
        
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        June 10, 2021 12:08pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Fuzzy: McDonald is – or at least has been – very litigious….so be very careful what you say about him…For example “two time/double killer” is accurate, and therefore could never found a defamation action; “two time murderer” is incorrect; as someone else upthread has observed, his first killing was “only” manslaughter.
        
        Believe it or not the above distinction is very important; back in the day some KILLER recovered damages from Helen Clark when she incorrectly referred to him as a murderer whereas his crime – or at least what he was convicted of – was manslaughter.
        
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        June 10, 2021 1:24pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    So, do you think your “achievements” are worthy of basking in? Is that why you post under your real name?
    
    Us on the right suffer real threats from psychos on the Left for our (entirely reasonable) views. I learnt pretty quickly that even saying something as innocuous and fact based as “I don’t like Jacinda” will get you absolutely hounded and attacked on social media. It’s just not worth it.
    
    But youcan do truly evil things and still feel comfortable posting under your real name. Must be nice.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:53am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Brian, it’s a poignant quote from a famous scientist. Even you must be able to see that, surely?
    
    As for posting, I’ve used krazykiwi for 10 years and I’m less likely than ever to use my real name given that you, a convicted murderer, seem to have taken a dislike to me.
    
    Why don’t you just chill, and quit with the grudge? Failing to do that in the past has ruined lives – others and yours.
    
    Peace.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:54am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Be fair.
      
      It was only the one conviction for murder when he shot a 17yo girl in the head
      
      The stabbing to death was merely manslaughter
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:43am
    - David Garrett
      
      Krazy: McDonald’s posturing about using his own name here is particularly absurd given that for years he hid behind the pseud “Nostalgia- NZ”
      
      I still wonder what he was/is nostalgic about: perhaps the New Zealand before the Sentencing Act and three strikes where you could kill twice and still get out of jail after a ridiculously short time?
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:57am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    For someone you dismiss so readily, he seems to be living rent-free in your head. Mind you, there’s plenty of spare room, isn’t there?
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:27am
- JB.49
  
  It’s a pity she didn’t understand X-rays
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:30am
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 21.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this week’s episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, MSM, Wall Street, $oros, ANTIFA, BLM, CDC, Nordstream, globalists, ‘academia’,and Burisma.
Does Sleepy Joe think the recent red wave happened on a beach? Is life a beach for remorseful liberals? Has Hunter quit smoking blue vein? Is ‘VP’ Harris ‘raycist’ for telling latin Americans not to come? Isn’t that the bad orange man’s job? Will coyotes lose money if they heed her advice? Will she be greeted with ‘Go home’, and ‘Trump won’ signs on her next trip? Can you order Kamala cookies on Amazon yet? Is Senator Manchin still a Democrat? Will the ‘beautiful people’ from Harveywood quit donating? Will he be President Trump’s running mate in 2024? Will Governor De Santis be jealous? Will CNN still be in business? Which red state governor will sign an 1836 project law next? Will the WHO find the smoking Wuhan gun? Will the presitator help them? Will Fauci’s book get published this week? Did he brief world leaders on man made Corona viruses last year? Will the presitator send him a ‘holiday card’ this year? Will Alibaba, and Amazon have big discounts on masks? How many people will be shot in Chicago this weekend? Will replacing police with social workers fix it? Does everyone there have a bullet proof vest yet? Will Hispanic voters stay red? Which red state will sue Google net? Will more of Hunter’s texts embarrass Sleepy Joe next week? Does he remember who Hunter is? Where will Rep Boebert’s ‘VP Harris’ cardboard figure appear next? Will it figure in the next Rasmussen poll? Will Beijing Biden make China ‘pay’ for Covid? Can they use Bitcoin? Will George Floyd Square be open for traffic? Does BC still think Obama is just a race hustler from Chicago? Are ‘Ivy League’ graduates too woke to work? How many more states will tour the Arizona audit facility? Stay tuned folks.
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June 10, 2021 8:23am
- artemisia
  
  “How many more states will tour the Arizona audit facility?”
  
  They had best get a move on as the audit process has been ramped up bigly and is almost complete.
  
  Next question. When results start to be released how massive will be the tsunami of “illegal, undemocratic sham” media articles?
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:53am
  - curry4me
    
    artemesia: I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
    
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    June 10, 2021 6:29pm
Tasman Terror

Jacinda wept.
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June 10, 2021 8:24am
- sooty
  
  She does have a lot to cry about.
  Her lack of successes for a start!
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:34am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkY0IVW9m7o

The Future of Ron DeSantis and His Role in the Republican Party.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is a fan favorite among many conservatives, whether they are National Populists, Establishmentarian, or somewhere in between. I analyze if he should be the nominee in 2024, and if he would make a good President, in this Red Eagle Politics Documentary Production.
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June 10, 2021 8:25am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETQIBcXnD4

Saxony Anhalt Election Results.

AfD has done well, and the NPC media went ballistic during
Earlier elections. The establishment parties won’t let them into
government. They’ve come in a strong second place. The CDU PM is very popular.
The Free Democrats won 7 seats. The ‘Green’ party is the darling of the media.
[12:00]
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June 10, 2021 8:25am
kowtow

Karl du fresne has an excellent post on TV3 Goldie beatup.

‘Last night’s round of punishment took up six minutes of the 6pm bulletin and started with Lynch rapturously reporting that Paul Goldsmith had been thrown to the wolves – my words, not hers, although that was the tone – by his caucus colleagues over his comment that Maori, “on balance”, had benefited from colonisation.’

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/06/mistress-tovas-latest-discipline-session.html
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June 10, 2021 8:26am
- Yabster
  
  should be compulsory reading for all National party MP,s- if its Tova or Lynch just say no comment- it will really annoy them. – the rest are not alot better however.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:39am
  - Biscuit
    
    Yabster, even better wiuld be this exchngae:
    
    Tova: Good morning (National MP).
    National MP: Hello.
    Tova: What do you…
    National MP: Tova, I refute the bases behind the allegations you are going to make.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:54am
    - Yabster
      
      lol yes Cindy has it down pat frowny face- but not keen or anyone to follow her lead.
      
      Be so good in the media scrum if everytime O’Brein or Lynch asked a question the mp’s said no comment but responded to others- Toxic would blow her tiny mind.
      
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      June 10, 2021 9:29am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Yabster – from my memory of the televised corridor announcements/media scrums of the time, that’s virtually what Simon Bridges did to her when the JLR fiasco started going down. That blew her tiny mind long ago and isn’t going to be forgotten any time soon. Something along the lines of an old saying ” Hell hath no fury……”
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:04am
- Cinematic
  
  Brilliant summation. National needs to find its mojo fast.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:54am
- Nickc2
  
  It really pisses me off when Karl Du Fresne gets cancelled by our MSM for saying what I’ve been thinking.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:20am
- Loddenthinks
  
  And another just as good about the incredibly inept “vaccine rollout” from the same day.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:55am
- oldfella
  
  @kowtow: “Journalists cannot serve two masters. To the extent that they take on the task of suppressing information or biting their tongue for the sake of some political agenda, they are betraying the trust of the public and corrupting their own profession.”(Thomas Sowell, from his 2008 op-ed ‘The Media and Politics’)
  
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  June 10, 2021 12:14pm
G152

Well wave goodby to the print wing of fake news. No more cheapo reels of newsprint and with the shipping all tied up no importation of the poor quality available overseas
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June 10, 2021 8:28am
- Nickc2
  
  But, but, but, what about my fish-n-chips?
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:21am
Tony Stuart

Random impertinent question; is Climate Commission Tsar Rod Carr growing his beard to mitigate some of the emissions he generates from frequent flying? It looks like an ecosystem in its own right, and goodness only knows what wildlife resides there!
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June 10, 2021 8:31am
- alex Masterley
  
  Tony,
  The beard is impressive indeed.
  I have always felt Rod Carr is one of those really really brainy (but slightly crazy) guys who should be kept well away from the public eye.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:51am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    “Slightly crazy”??? Nah, Alex, fully crazy.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:04am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I have always felt Rod Carr is one of those really really brainy (but slightly crazy) guys who should be kept well away from the public ~~eye~~ purse.
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:56am
  - Scooter
    
    Beard looks Amish to me, maybe he’ll have us all driving buggy’s by 2035.
    
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    June 10, 2021 7:35pm
- JibberJabber
  
  He is pretty much the epitome of Orwells’ disdain,
  
  left-wing people, especially the intellectuals, is their utter ignorance of the way things actually happen.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:58am
Happychappy

Here is a great example of giving those that condemn others for racism the power to speak for Maori.
Its always others that are at fault when it comes to Maori news or debates and the two Maori Party joint Leaders are the worst at it, so really I am sick to death of these two making racial tones and then making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to Maori.
Really there is no winners in what these two preech and only one loser and that is Maori the ones that these two believe they are speaking for.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/m-ori-party-disgusted-police-commissioner-andrew-coster-didn-t-show-up-to-meeting.html
Mistakes happen in a jobs, appointments get missed and there is always another day , but again we get the racial overtones because these two need to make a Racial point.
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June 10, 2021 8:33am
- Cassandra
  
  The Commissioner told them beforehand that he would have to reschedule. It’s a beat up, as usual with these two. The tragedy is that the media give them air time.
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:14am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Only a racist sees race, and racism, everywhere they look. I guess if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
  
  One thing’s for sure, the unbelievably woke Police Commissioner, a man unworthy of the title, would doubtless have sobbed himself to sleep for fear he may have upset David Waititi and his racist partner-in-crime.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

Phil Twyford returns donation received from his mate

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ministers-donation-from-christchurch-attack-conspiracy-theorist
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June 10, 2021 8:43am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ve no time for Twyford, but he has shown more integrity than the hypocritical Greens, who have refused to return a donation from an animal abuser.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:49am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Twyford’s dishonesty seems to stem from attempts to cover his own incompetence, not any inherent bad character.
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:07am
- Paulus
  
  [Deleted – are you being smart, or just an idiot. Read the link provided. Mod.]
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:16am
Tony Stuart

Nick Smith bows out of politics this afternoon, with his valedictory speech set for 4.30pm. It should be a ripper!

Smith isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, by a long stretch. But he has been the consummate electorate MP, because he goes the extra mile for all constituents, regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum. It cost him a large sum of his own money, it cost him a prosecution, and probably contributed to his first marriage failing, but he went out on a limb for people whom he thought needed someone in their corner fighting for them.

Let’s look at his record. First elected in Tasman in 1990, which he retained in 1993, he then held the new Nelson electorate from 1996 until last October. That’s ten consecutive electorate contests won, a record that no one in the current Parliament can match. His personal popularity was generally higher than National’s.

I’m not his biggest fan, but I admire his determination to serve all the people who put him in Parliament; that’s what electorate MPs’ primary role is. He leaves Parliament under a cloud, thanks to a nonsense Parliamentary Service inquiry that was not requested by either of the people involved, and ought to have been resolved a long time ago. I just hope Speaker Mallard gives Smith the basic courtesy of delivering his valedictory without interruption or rebuke. Thanks for your years of service Nick, and enjoy the return to a life more ordinary!
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June 10, 2021 8:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  You have just defined what ALL electorate MP’s should be.
  
  Chris Hipkins
  Chris (tumbleweeds) Hipkins.
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:04am
- doggone7
  
  Smith leaves Parliament under a cloud, not thanks to a nonsense Parliamentary Service inquiry. The inquiry, whatever it was about, with whatever conclusions it came up with would have happened. Those involved would have known about it and life would’ve gone on with Smith still an MP.
  
  Smith is leaving as he did because of the intrusion of Judith Collins. Just like Iain Lees-Galloway.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:09am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Bollocks. Smith is leaving because some busybody staff member recorded an argument between Smith and another staffer, without the consent of either, then complained to the Parliamentary Service without consulting either party to the argument. In the meantime Smith and the staff member had apologised to one another, and got on with their jobs.
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Nick has my thanks and best wishes too.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:43am
- Unity
  
  Nick Smith has been an excellent constituency MP. He will be a great loss but I wish him well with his new venture. He will be very hard to replace. All the best for the future Nick.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:17am
Maggie Pie

Ewww…..

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1402445614055661579
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June 10, 2021 8:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So when your feet get sweaty, they just slide further into the shoe, instead of flicking off.
  Design genius.
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:02am
JibberJabber

Rare footage, a young Winston Peters, the start of a lifetime of addiction…
https://twitter.com/GoodNewsCorres1/status/1402705713005268994

Warning …cuteness overload ?
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June 10, 2021 8:51am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I can’t quite recall whose valedictory speech in Parliament mentioned that Winston Peters “would have been here, but he was detained by a full-length mirror.”
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:28am
  - JibberJabber
    
    David Lange, I believe ?.
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:29pm
RW Capitalist

So what happened to our 1 billion trees and value added product?
Surely paper is a value added product?
Kawerau New Zealand’s latest ghost town?
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June 10, 2021 9:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Folks stopped buying newspapers…
  
  I wonder why.
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:24am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Haven’t brought one for years. Take the Horrid for example there is better editorial content in the local “Coffee News” which is free by the way……
    
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    June 10, 2021 9:26am
    - alloytoo
      
      No need for the Herald unless you keep a caged bird or are housetraining a pup.
      
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      June 10, 2021 11:11am
      - graham
        
        Could also be used for lighting your lovely wood-burner 🙂
        
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        June 10, 2021 11:33am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The mill at Kawerau still makes a particular brand of bog-roll. I saw a sick-making advert yesterday promoting it as clean, green and made locally, employing 1,000s of kiwis etc.
  
  I suggest anyone who thinks making toilet paper is clean and green should go to Kawerau, specifically to have a look at the Tarawera River upstream from the mill (pristine, bubbling and full of big fat trout), then go and look downstream. it’s almost black and stinks, everything in it is dead.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:31am
Tasman Terror

Kindness kills.
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June 10, 2021 9:12am
Surely Knott

RNZ posts on the wuhan virus lab leak theory coverup. Their low information article involves no facts about the wuhan institute or its safety protocol levels or the other issues that have been raised eg no intermediary host, lack of transparency, the first sick lab workers. Rnz’s article instead involves interviewing Siouxsie wiles who reveals she is also involved in gain of function science in her labs. (Interesting, who funds that?) . But she says the lab leak theory is unlikely but provides no reasoning or analysis. Instead she doubles down on more anti American conspiracy theories to explain away discussions on wuhan institute lab leak discussions. “ Dr Wiles says some governments may be motivated to stoke conspiratorial fires to distract from their own abysmal responses to the pandemic.”

Well, if the virus leaked from the lab, it’s likely that gain of function science would come under serious scrutiny and likely again be banned and defunded this is an interesting take from Wiles.

Rnz an embarrassment to journalism. How about some facts an d analysis not just propaganda and biased opinion. https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018798820/why-has-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-re-emerged
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June 10, 2021 9:27am
colina

This is concerning

National generally supportive of Commission’s emissions budgets
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/110779/theres-likely-be-some-cross-party-consensus-emissions-budgets-differences-will-arise
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June 10, 2021 9:27am
ABS4EVA

Big Thanks to Australian Federal Police

Helping Shut Down

NZ Organised Crime

I am falling on the floor laughing
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June 10, 2021 9:29am
ABS4EVA

Latest News from Global Times Military

It is good to see what NZ’s Favorite specially
privileged trading partner is doing

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1225886.shtml

PLA Rocket Force practices night DF-26 missile launch

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force recently conducted a series of exercises with the “aircraft carrier killer” DF-26 ballistic missile at night, and while related techniques are challenging, they can bring many advantages on the battlefield, experts said on Wednesday.

They have the Carrier KILLER missiles ready

Upgraded FC-31 top candidate for China’s next-generation carrier-based stealth fighter jet: observer

THE PLA ARE REALLY REALLY REALY
BUSY 2 ARTICLES IN A DAY

GOOD OLE WUHAN in AGAIN
in THE NEWS

You people do realise all the Intellectual property
and technology from the F_35 has been
handed to the PLA

The Chinese Navy is not only developing warships very fast, but also develops the equipment of its aviation force, as it is getting more aircraft types including fixed-wing, carrier-based early warning aircraft that would increase its comprehensive combat capabilities, Fu said.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_FC-31

In April 2009, the Wall Street Journal reported that computer spies, allegedly Chinese, had penetrated the database of the Joint Strike Fighter program and acquired terabytes of secret information.[58] AVIC is alleged to have incorporated the stolen knowledge into the J-31.[59][60][61]

In case anyone does not know or is unaware of
the PLA have been conducting cyber attacks
against Australian Government infrastructure
almost Daily during COVID
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June 10, 2021 9:42am
MCos

There’s been three cases recently where leaders voted out of office have cried foul in attempts to hang onto power while the numbers tell another story.
Trump in America, Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi in Samoa and Netanyahu in Israel.
Didn’t these people learn arithmetic at school?
Leaders in countries such as Russia, Myanmar, Belarus, Thailand take no chances. They poison, disappear, imprison, banish, rig constitutions, stuff ballots, gerrymander electorates, purge voting lists while they can
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/08/world/middleeast/netanyahu-trump-israel.html?referringSource=articleShare
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June 10, 2021 9:47am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “There’s been three cases recently….”
  
  There have been…
  
  Didn’t you learn English at school?
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:33am
  - MCos
    
    Close enough for Kiwi English.
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:02pm
- Surely Knott
  
  From @glenngreenwald today. Remember the story about Trump clearing the church goers with tear-gassed to clear them for Trumps photo – op.
  
  “At a June 2 Press Conference, then-Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) proclaimed with anger: “last night I watched as President Trump, having gassed peaceful protesters just so he could do this photo op, then he went on to teargas priests who were helping protesters in Lafayette Park.””
  
  While they’ve investigated and it wasn’t true.
  
  “The IG’s (inspector general’s) conclusion could not be clearer: the media narrative was false from start to finish. Namely, he said, “the evidence did not support a finding that the [U.S. Park Police] cleared the park on June 1, 2020, so that then President Trump could enter the park.” Instead — exactly as Hemingway’s widely-mocked-by-liberal-outlets article reported — “the evidence we reviewed showed that the USPP cleared the park to allow a contractor to safely install anti-scale fencing in response to destruction of Federal property and injury to officers that occurred on May 30 and May 31.” Crucially, “the evidence established that relevant USPP officials had made those decisions and had begun implementing the operational plan several hours before they knew of a potential Presidential visit to the park, which occurred later that day.”
  
  Oh well. Another day another media manufactured political story that wasn’t true. The end justifies the means. They got Trump out that’s what matters I guess.
  
  https://greenwald.substack.com/p/yet-another-media-tale-trump-tear
  
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  June 10, 2021 3:06pm
ABS4EVA

America Develops an Aircraft

It gets give to CHINA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement

Who DID That?
We can’t say

But it is Obvious
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June 10, 2021 9:47am
Maggie Pie

One of the gals from tennis retweets…..

‘Sithole gives birth to another 10 babies! Already has twins at home’

https://twitter.com/BBCAfrica/status/1402610268488806403
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June 10, 2021 9:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bryce Edwards tackles Andrea Vance:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-jacinda-arderns-opaque-government-by-pr/XGV7KW5CVWI4FV5UV54CKGH5FU/

Jacinda Ardern and Labour are the Collateral damage
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June 10, 2021 9:51am
Sacha

I was waiting to pick up the car last week. There was a Dominion on the chair beside me –
It reminded me of the old Truth newspaper in size but after a quick thumb through – no News, some sports results, pages of TV programmes, weather predictions, and puzzles – but absolutely no scurrilously entertaining courts reports – I put it down and played a game on my phone.
I’m not surprised that the newsprint business has died.
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June 10, 2021 9:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s still Court reports in the Gizzy Herald.
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20210512/gisborne-district-court-news-82/
  
  Some of them are so harrowing, I can’t read beyond the first few lines.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:24am
  - I remember when
    
    Did two Gisborne tourists get tested for covid in Wuhan in September/October 2019?
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’ve no idea
      
      https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/letter/20210604/knew-they-had-a-problem/
      
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      June 10, 2021 3:26pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yep, grim reading some of it for sure. Is it just coincidence, or do the names of every defendant named have a certain similarity of origin?
    
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    June 10, 2021 12:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Sacha, the divorce details in the old Truth were revealing, especially the grounds they were based on; infidelity was one.
  And the Court cases involving Scout and school masters, with intimate details.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:40am
  - oldfella
    
    I always loved Truth for Hori’s Half-Gallon Jar column. Funny, and good hearted as I recall. Yes?
    
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    June 10, 2021 12:11pm
    - G152
      
      Spent a year as assistant Machinist with Ben on Truth.
      Very very eye opening
      
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      June 10, 2021 2:26pm
  - Flossie
    
    Adultery. Co-respondent xxxx
    
    Still got the cutting of the in laws divorce notes in Truth!
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:58pm
  - Sacha
    
    My parents used to get Truth back in the 40’s, but I was forbidden to read it. They relished the divorce details, and speculated and gossiped with their friends about who did what to whom.
    Then we could buy the Yellow Press from the UK – I forget what it was called, but it had the Page 3 girl, and some fairly risqué cartoons.
    Ahhh, those were the days!
    
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    June 10, 2021 7:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    People would say they read “Truth” for its racing tips, for its good business section, or for its recipes.
    
    Yet usually if its posters weren’t about a sex story, sales would dip, even dive, that week.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:20pm
ABS4EVA

Essential Viewing for all KIWI and AUSSIES

Death of a Nation: The Timor Conspiracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0CWPVWA6bw&list=PLXBWofUjuhZ7Jt3MFzG08elzD_uGv3fBp

The Timorese Fought the Japanese with
Australian Commandos Heroically

and were REPAID By AUSTRALIA
AMERICA and BRITAIN with GENOCIDE

Then after than HUMILIATION
AUSTRALIA has confiscated EAST TIMORESE
OIL

No one pretend NZ Politicians did not know
this was going in

220,000 CATHOLICS murdered tortured raped
etc etc

If you need an Idea or a gauge for the brutality of the next Pacific War

It will be Timor on Steroids STUDY IT

America IS NOT COMING
an AUSTRALIA has not got it
that is like TIMOR will be hung out to DRY

WW2 the Heroic Story of Sparrow Force
and the Timorese resistance to the Japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9HYMoEa-Bw&t=3s

Just disgusting the way an AUstralian and NZ ally
was treated Post World War Two

The resisted the Japanese WITH NOTHING
they Fought the Japanese WITH NOTHING
until they finally got a Radio going

HOW WERE THEY REPAID?
BY OUR MODERN POLITICIANs

GENOCIDE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE

Trust me NZ and Aus are going to
REAP what they sow

No one in the Pacific takes the
USA NZ Australia Britain
Seriously

NOT ANY MORE

WHY SHOULD THEY
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June 10, 2021 10:01am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  have you been drinking this morning?
  
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  June 10, 2021 12:33pm
Yvette

Will not Ardern’s real nuclear moment in climate change, be when she realises replacement of all fossil fuels will require additional generation?

And that it does not include using surplus electricity generation, which will not exist, to in “down time” pump excess water, which may not exist, from down-stream holding ponds, which to date do not exist, back up beyond dams to be re-used multiple times.
That is perpetual motion, which in science classes in secondary school sixty years ago, I was taught does not exist. My understanding is that it still doesn’t exist.

Where is real, constant and therefore dependable, new electricity to be generated?

In its draft advice to the Government, the Climate Change Commission said – In just the next 15 years renewable electricity generation will need to increase by 47 percent.
But a brief perusal of the final report reveals little more than aspirational statements, leaving the Government to be more detailed and with some considerable urgency – if they are to met a 47% increase in the next 15 years.
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June 10, 2021 10:33am
- oldfella
  
  @Yvette: 47% increase in electricity generation in the next 15 years? They’re dreaming?
  Can’t wait for Tova and co to ask some hard questions about how they’re going to do it. You know, questions that demand detailed answers with facts and figures.
  Like they’ve provided for the new Lycra harbour bridge.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:14am
- alloytoo
  
  The only reliable way is to invest in Nuclear, that however will still leave you with a distribution problem.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:16am
Than

Stuff today has an editorial piece justifying their wokeness in using Maori. While there was so much here to criticise, this statement stood out;

Here’s the beautiful thing about inclusive language: it doesn’t exclude you.

Um, that is just factually not true. It absolutely excludes me.

I speak English. I don’t speak Maori. Any words or phrases in Maori will not be comprehensible to me, so I am excluded from that part of the conversation.
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June 10, 2021 10:36am
- Clyde
  
  Than, you are dead right. For papers, websites, radio and tv to use words that by far and away the majority of people don’t understand, don’t want to understand, gets completely in the way of COMMUNICATION. The “guidelines” surrounding the renaming of perfectly comprehensible titles such as the NZ Transport Agency or Child and Youth into an Eastern Polynesian language that less than 5% of the population understands is nothing other than paternalistic wokeness. My solution if receiving any communication that uses these words is to use Google Translate to respond in another language altogether. If they reply and say they don’t understand – maybe they’ve learned a lesson.
  
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  June 10, 2021 10:54am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Only about 1% of NZ can speak Maori well. 3-4% have some knowledge of it. I bet most stuff written for general public in Maori has readership in single digits – that even those who know Maori will probably opt for english due to denser form and greater nuance possible
    
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    June 10, 2021 12:34pm
    - Than
      
      To be fair most Kiwis would know a handful of Maori terms – iwi, hui, whanau, for example. This was one of the justifications the editorial used for their “Kia Ora, Aotearoa” title, that most New Zealanders would understand it. And sure, that’s undoubtedly true.
      
      But there are two flaws with this argument.
      
      Firstly, there are only a handful of Maori words you can say this about. Many inclusions of Maori in English text go far beyond that.
      
      And second, that doesn’t change the fact that inserting Maori into English text is still fundamentally exclusionary. It just alters who the excluded group is. Kiwis are included, but any other English speakers are excluded (unless they are willing to waste their time learning terms from a dead language).
      
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      June 10, 2021 1:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Why doesn’t Stuff put its (little) money where its mouth is and publish editions in the Maori language?
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:54pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Learn Maori.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:01am
  - alloytoo
    
    To what end?
    
    So I can call every thing related to transport “Wooden Canoe?”
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:19am
  - oldfella
    
    @MB, Willie Jackson admits most Maori don’t even speak it.
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/06/10/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-wasted-on-te-reo-television-programming/
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:19am
    - cmm
      
      Let’s face it – most Maori are Pakeha.
      
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      June 10, 2021 2:42pm
      - Nickc2
        
        There are NO genuine Maori in NZ. There are cross-breeds but no genuine Maori.
        
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        June 10, 2021 2:51pm
  - Than
    
    No. Fuck off.
    
    Why should I have to waste my time learning a different language to read something that is allegedly written in a language I already know? There are much more productive things I could be doing with my time. Learning Klingon, or watching paint dry for example.
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:29am
    - Keith White
      
      Than: ‘Nuanced but accurate’ 🙂
      
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      June 10, 2021 11:58am
  - rangitoto
    
    Μαθαίνω ελληνικά
    
    Μετά από αυτό τότε Βαβυλωνιακός
    
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    June 10, 2021 11:55am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Aiming to do some travel – through time?
      
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      June 10, 2021 12:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Rangitoto, learning Greek will likely be worth while.
        
        Less benefits from Babylonian, but you will be able to watch the film:
        
        https://www.alumni.cam.ac.uk/news/ancient-language-of-babylonia-is-brought-back-to-life
        
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        June 10, 2021 1:52pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Jack – so in terms of modern global times a bit like Te Reo? But I did like skyblood’s sense of humour ?
        
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        June 10, 2021 3:10pm
  - cmm
    
    When Maori people actually start to use it themselves then it will make sense.
    
    I learned isiXhosa because I wanted to talk to Xhosa people. (approx 4 million native speakers).
    I learned isiZulu to speak with Zulus. (approx 12 million native speakers).
    I learned Afrikaans to speak to Afrikaners (approx 4 million native speakers).
    
    So why would I want to learn Maori? How many people speak it on a day to day basis?
    
    Until Maori people themselves show some interest and get behind Maori, why should anyone else?
    
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    June 10, 2021 12:10pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    A dead language spoken by a handful of people, not spoken anywhere else in the world has zero utility.
    
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    June 10, 2021 12:30pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Blimey it really is getting out of hand. I caught the Tamaki Link bus yesterday. I used to enjoy a quite drive along the waterfront, now every stop is announced first in English and then in Maori. It seems that Maori like to use at least twice as many words as are needed in English. It was a bloody pain. No sooner was one stop announced then the next one was announced. it was just about non stop blah, blah, blah. On the bus there were about half a dozen elderly Europeans, none of who would know or care about Maori language. Just damned annoying.
      
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      June 10, 2021 2:29pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        Earplugs.
        Or sound cancelling headphones.
        If you know where you are going the absence of announcements wont be noticed.
        
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        June 10, 2021 3:18pm
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Ka ngotea e Martin Williams nga koati
    
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    June 10, 2021 7:26pm
- oldfella
  
  Than, bet they don’t open their comments section on that article. Might not like the feedback.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:08am
- kowtow
  
  If stuff is so enamoured by it and its so inclusive etc why the hell don’t they stop being maternalistic , tokenistic racists and just print everything exclusively in Maori , and while they’re at it as they’re so concerned about nasty evil colonialism they should sack themselves and fill all the vacancies with , Maoris .
  
  But they won’t . So they’re hypocrites.
  
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  June 10, 2021 12:28pm
  - Sacha
    
    And make their advertisers (they have some?) do the same
    
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    June 10, 2021 7:12pm
- graham
  
  Than: you have summed it up beautifully.
  
  One has to wonder – do the people who write something like that ever reread it and think to themselves, “Hang on … does that flowery little puff piece actually make sense?”
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:37pm
- Ehlana
  
  It’s really very simple. When writing in English, use good English. When writing in Maori, use good Maori. Manglish is neither good English, nor good Maori. It disrespects both languages.
  
  If you want to use both languages, give your message completely in one, then in the other. Just like they do in every other country on Earth where more than one language is in common use.
  
  I’d ask how dumb we are, but I’m afraid of the answer…
  
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  June 10, 2021 2:39pm
I remember when

Fears climate plan will hit those most financially vulnerable hardest: RNZ
So the poor will not be able to buy a new EV.
Competition will increase second hand EV prices and they will inherit battery replacement costs and reducing performance of these vehicles.
The poor will not be able to afford the rent rises caused by insulation or access to solar power.
Less animals so an increase in the price of meat.
Less fertiliser so lower production and increasing plant based diet costs.
More EVs drawing power off the grid so increasing power costs. Probably at night time when solar into the national grid is zero.
Climate scare so increasing insurance rates.
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June 10, 2021 10:42am
- rockape
  
  The other side of this is we are currently a dumping ground for cheap cars. That will continue. The Japanese won’t have a battery problem , as now they are exporting electric and hybrid cars with batteries near/the end of their useful life so it will be NZ that has the battery disposal problem. A grand green plan with a not so green endgame.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:16am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I recall seeing an 11 year old imported Prius for sale on Trade Me last week with 100k on the clock, they couldn’t give it away.
    A simple google search will tell anyone that 11years old and 100k means that is at the end of its life and anywhere from $12k to $120k to replace the worn out battery alone. ?
    
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    June 10, 2021 1:48pm
    - alloytoo
      
      And in the good old days a Toyota, even the entry level models were good for 250000kms.
      
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      June 10, 2021 2:56pm
- alloytoo
  
  All of this to “prevent” a 1.5′ increase in our coldest temperatures.
  
  I’m pretty sure I could “adapt’ to warmer winters.
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:27am
oldfella

Great moments in Soviet psychiatry, comrades!
The Journal of the American Psychoanalytic
Association just published a study likening “whiteness” to “a malignant, parasitic-like condition” for which “there is not yet a permanent cure.”
https://twitter.com/thejcoop/status/1402695511728082950
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June 10, 2021 10:51am
- Keith White
  
  And we always have the Hydrotarp Treatment for the antiproletarian recidivists!
  
  “…(the dissident poet) Brodsky was committed to a mental institution for examination, where he spent three weeks. Hospital workers pumped him with tranquilizers and repeatedly woke him during the night. He was given cold baths and wrapped in wet canvas that shrank and cut his skin while drying.”
  
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  June 10, 2021 11:24am
- Jack5
  
  Psychoanalysts aren’t psychiatrists or psychologists.
  
  Psychoanalysis is pseudo-medical practice.
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:48pm
wreck1080

Why would a business that produces noxious odours apply for a 20yr resource consent when they claim they are moving to another region in 2 years time?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/pet-food-company-ziwi-seeks-20-year-air-discharge-consent-after-complaints-of-foul-odours/NQZJ2BEVM466C57QO34UJ5NVPE/

And, I can promise, the smell is very very bad…it wafts across the sports fields at times.
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June 10, 2021 10:56am
I remember when

Boost for employers as Government unveils changes to onshore visas: Newshub
Don’t they mean the Government finally sees some sense and starts to resolve problems they made for themselves.
Isn’t it time for some headlines that truthfully portray the facts.
It isn’t a boost, it’s the correction of a situation the Government has handled poorly.
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June 10, 2021 11:12am
Maggie Pie

You know, I’ve never seen a word by the likes of James Shaw or Rod Carr, as to where the millions and millions of ARABS figure in the proposed switch to an electric car fleet.

Has anybody given any thought as to what might happen to THEM?
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June 10, 2021 11:14am
- MCos
  
  I hadn’t until you mentioned it, so I had a look on Google to see what the Saudis are up to, thinking there would be not much considering the oil they have.
  Wrong.
  It seems there’re right into electric cars, or so they so.
  
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  June 10, 2021 3:50pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A bit like we were laying on the beach at Tindalls once and I asked my partner to go back up to the house and get me a lemonade ice block.
    Cheeky bugger said… “What’s in it for me?”
    So I said, “Sand” 😛
    
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    June 10, 2021 6:34pm
oldfella

Nothing to see here. Move along.
A great reminder that it’s different when the left do it because even in this hyper-woke era, when people are sacked and banished for tweets from their teenage years, no one will care about the Hunter Biden N-word scandal.
Hey, he’s President Slow-Joe’s son, not some anonymous high-schooler, or one of Trump’s kids, so he’ll gets a pass! Guaranteed.
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/hunter-biden-n-word-daily-mail-president/
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June 10, 2021 11:30am
- Surely Knott
  
  Yip no mention of it by NZ press. Repeatedly saying the N word ok if you’re a high ranking democrat apparently. Pretty sure if Max key had said it the media would have spen to months on it.
  
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  June 10, 2021 12:43pm
- oldfella
  
  In other news regarding that Biden story…
  Experts across the nation are scratching their heads. “We just don’t get it,” said one researcher with a puzzled look on his face. “How could Hunter have ended up like this– using racist slurs and grossly inappropriate language? By all accounts, we can’t make sense of it. There are simply no major influences in his life who could have raised him to behave and talk in such bizarre and inappropriate ways!”
  https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-unsure-where-joe-bidens-son-learned-all-that-racist-language
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hunter Biden is not a politician. Trump’s children are politicians (well, the two with the highest profiles are).
  
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  June 10, 2021 2:50pm
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  Scandal? Those Hunter Biden exchanges were actually hilarious, particularly the reference to being charged “Hennessey money.”
  
  You’ve got to understand that this is not a matter of hypocrisy, because the Democrats push their so-called principles solely and exclusively as an expedient to constrain their political opponents. They aren’t going to police themselves by their own standards, or at least the standards they publicly espouse. Joe Biden himself occasionally says some “controversial” stuff, because he believes these things in private and they are often true.
  
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  June 10, 2021 2:51pm
Liberty

The recent devastation of Canterbury farms. Shows once again the true colours of Labour and its anti farming agenda. Just like the farmers in Golden Bay having to wait over 3 year to get the state highway over Takaka Hill repaired.
The Canterbury breadbasket has been given a paltry amount of assistance .
Less than speaker Mallard spent on a kids slide in the Kremlin grounds.
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June 10, 2021 11:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  serves the hippie leftie F-wits of golden bay right for voting for voting green/labour. 2017-2020 proved that the left can’t deliver, so voting for them in 2020 was patently a stupid idea.
  
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  June 10, 2021 12:27pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I’m kinda half-pie serious ?, but farmers really should go on strike, show the useless politicians that they are only 3 days away from anarchy at any given moment.
  Tho’ I guess they know that, cos’ that’s why Ardern is going after the guns of the law-abiding and not her gangs.
  
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  June 10, 2021 12:29pm
- MCos
  
  I have a nephew who is a Mid Canterbury dairy farmer. He is far enough away from the flooded rivers to be not effected by flooding.
  A year or two ago he lost his cattle to bovis m.
  The government paid him, I’m guessing here, up to a million dollars.
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:47pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The Government compulsorily locked down his farm business and slaughtered his animals, there is a Government/Industry agreement to pay compensation for this and I’m paying a levy to partially fund this. Most farming businesses that have hadm.bovis lost out big time. The Government is responsible for border security and this was part of a string of biosecurity failures.
    The current Government funding for flooded areas pays for a handful of administrative staff that help farmers access industry assistance, it’s really a pittance and should maybe better be paid by Industry. It just creates confusion with some farmers thinking there is financial help from the government.
    
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    June 10, 2021 5:52pm
oldfella

“Political Correctness is something fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and promoted by a sick mainstream press, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end”

(Supposed said by Pres. Harry S. Truman but have my doubts. Still a great quote.)
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June 10, 2021 12:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Fake quote.
  
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  June 10, 2021 2:36pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You always come across as such a sad B milkey.
    Bet you drive an old jap import?
    
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    June 10, 2021 3:01pm
    - SB2
      
      And you allegedly a German import
      
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      June 10, 2021 3:11pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s not my fault that you believe any old rubbish you read on the internet or hear at the table-tennis club.
      
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      June 10, 2021 3:53pm
    - MCos
      
      What’s the difference between a Japanese Import and a car imported from Japan?
      The answer is of course that while both are made in Japan the former’s first owner was Japanese while the previous owners of the latter could be anyone.
      
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      June 10, 2021 3:59pm
Gravelroad

Way to go Paula Bennett!
Now, as a previously loyal Nat Party voter, I would like to see the real story behind the slimy deposing of Simon Bridges.
This Muller dude sounds like a real winner /.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125395719/paula-bennett-talks-of-incredibly-tough-treatment-from-todd-muller-after-he-won-national-party-leadership
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June 10, 2021 12:18pm
ABS4EVA

Someone tell me how Afghanistan
helped NZ or AUS
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June 10, 2021 12:29pm
- Jack5
  
  Camel drivers from Afghanistan were a big help in Australia’s deserts in the days of trucks, cars and planes.
  
  They helped colourful language in Australia, too, giving rise to this saying:
  
  I’m thirsty enough to drink a whisky through an Afghan camel-driver’s jockstrap.
  
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  June 10, 2021 8:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    Edit: … in before the days of trucks, cars, and planes.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:38pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING TWITTER…..

OneEwes advocates for return of the Death Penalty.
Can show irrefutable proof that it prevents recidivism.

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1402694369975496704
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June 10, 2021 12:40pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Is there a problem?
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:37pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    NOPE. Read the story and it reminded me about that weirdo Jessie Kempson who murdered Grace Millane. Someone like that piece of sh*t will back on the street one day soon 🙁
    
    And I’ll never forget bestie Jo Pert who was murdered close to where we live! We’re still keeping her killer Tevita Filo housed and fed in hospital.
    
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    June 10, 2021 2:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Have you thought of moving to a safer, more desirable neighbourhood?
      
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      June 10, 2021 3:54pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        gAWD – know what you mean milkey!!
        There’s still no word on the ‘unexplained death’ in Upland Rd yet either 🙁
        Thank goodness my partners got a B endorsement.
        
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        June 10, 2021 4:48pm
- SB2
  
  You might be disappointed to know hanging drawing and quartering was abolished in 1870 too.
  
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  June 10, 2021 3:15pm
  - Jack5
    
    A good thing, too.
    
    Just about as bad was securing rebels over the barrel of a cannon then firing it, as after the Great Stephiestani Mutiny of 1857.
    
    https://www.rediff.com/news/special/the-forgotten-brutality-of-the-1857-mutiny/20170814.htm
    
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    June 10, 2021 5:46pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      That is a truly terrifying re-telling of the actual event Jack.
      
      I will be a lot more wary in future when I go up to the dairy and talk to Raj.
      
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      June 10, 2021 7:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You and the rest of your woke ‘downtickling’ ilk are the very reason this country is in the state its in!
    
    A free range asylum!!
    
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    June 10, 2021 5:48pm
oldfella

Don’t try and tell me global warming isn’t a huge issue. And it’s getting worse!
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-set-for-coldest-day-in-25-years-while-orange-blanketed-in-snow-20210610-p57zq8.html
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June 10, 2021 12:45pm
- SB2
  
  Extreme weather events like the cold snap in NSW are in inextricibaly linked to climate change,
  
  https://www.edf.org/climate/climate-change-and-extreme-weather
  
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  June 10, 2021 3:21pm
  - Nickc2
    
    BOLLOX Stephie. I have seen photographs of snow on the North Shore of Sydney (Chatswood to be precise) complete with trams bought to a halt because of it. It’s nothing new, it’s all to do with the proximity of Earth to the Sun thus a natural occurrence. All the gifted taxpayer money in the world isn’t going to change natural phenomena.
    These photographs are on display in the Orchard Tavern, Chatswood NSW.
    
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    June 10, 2021 8:03pm
Tony Stuart

Mike King has just lobbed a social media hand grenade right at the Prime Minister, and it’s fair to say he’s held nothing back:

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159568741497990&set=a.10150345823277990
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June 10, 2021 12:58pm
- oldfella
  
  @Tony, Jacinda will just say that she refudes what Mike’s saying. End of story. Nothing to see here. Move along.
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:08pm
- Keith White
  
  I read that Tony, thank you for the link as I do not ‘do’ Fecesbook, and I think he’s actually been very polite and restrained, as have the majority of his commenters.
  
  If I were her (never happen) I’d be ashamed to show my face in public after that serve, until I’d at least taken the equivalent amount of money my Govt has urinated away on Ihumatao and Pike River and a Maori Apartheid Authority and so forth, and funded Mental Health and Pharmac to the same level… with the same speed…
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The MSM wouldn’t dare run with these stories.
  Desperately sad.
  
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  June 10, 2021 6:41pm
ABS4EVA

Hey Do you Think JACINDA
has got on the phone to AUS

To Thank them for shutting down NZ GANGS?
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June 10, 2021 1:04pm
Maggie Pie

The 6 most WOKE words ever spoken on radio…

“Sigh and Fill are up next”
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June 10, 2021 1:21pm
- Keith White
  
  Maggie: surely, they are competing with “kindest and most transparent government ever”…
  
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  June 10, 2021 1:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly Keith… everyone I know who’s ever heard them tells me they need a sick bag!
    The old one’s leaving at the end of the month thank goodness. Although I heard HDPA say SHE will be having him on. We can only assume he’s got something on Bazza, or she feels sorry for him.
    
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    June 10, 2021 2:14pm
tedbear

To James Shaw..”If you remove fossil fuels from the assembly line to manufacture electric cars, aeroplanes, solar panels and wind turbines to name just a few, electric cars, aeroplanes, solar panels or wind turbines cannot be made.”
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June 10, 2021 1:39pm
- kevn
  
  @ted… Indeed, the dogma is so strong they are blinkered.
  ‘Dumbclucks’ as they used to say.
  
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  June 10, 2021 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Here’s something we probably wont see on ‘Master Chef’.

What on earth would you have with it anyway?

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1402796674905522176
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June 10, 2021 1:49pm
ABS4EVA

THE LEFT LABOUR THE SOCIALISTS AND COMMUNISTS IN AUSTRALIA

IN VICTORIA AUSTRALIA

THE COMMUNIST POLICE STATE

HAVE FFFFFFED UP

QUARANTINE AGAIN

YET AGAIN THESE MORONS
THE SAME MORONS WHO SIGNED
BELT AND ROADS

CAN NOT RUN A SIMPLE QUARANTINE PROGRAM

THEY CAN LIE
THEY CAN TALK OUT THEIR BACKSIDES
THEY CAN PUT PEOPLE IN LOCK DOWN
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN

BUT THEY CAN NOT RUN A SIMPLE
QUARANTINE PROGRAM

YET EVERY OTHER STATE IN AUS

CAN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia
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June 10, 2021 2:29pm
MCos

If anyone is interested in the covid-19 vaccination process we went to a get our first shot in Mt Wellington this morning.
We had an appointment for eleven, but that was only a bit of a rough guide. There were a lot of people there & by the time we were out again 90min had gone by.
Several people lined you up, took your temp, gave you forms to fill in, entered the info in a database, and sent you off to a waiting room where we were about 40th in line. Ten minutes later we were at the top of the queue, had our jab and waited 20min before heading off.
I suspect a lot of people had just wandered in off the street. Nobody was turned away.
So there you go. Don’t sit there grizzling – bowl up and try your luck. Pays to be of a certain age.
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June 10, 2021 2:50pm
- tedbear
  
  I got my flu jab this morning at the local chemist.
  No appt required, no queue, temp taking not required, no forms to fill in, just gave my name and my doctor.
  In and out in ten minutes.
  
  What details did you have to give on all the forms?
  
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  June 10, 2021 3:47pm
  - MCos
    
    Name, address, doctor, birthday, phone, email & health number. It was basically a concent form plus a means of contact to get us back for dose #2.
    As it happens the Health Dept has all that stuff anyway.
    I have the Manage My Health app, which means. I can back check vaccines, prescriptions, tests and other stuff over the last ten years.
    I suppose one day some bastard may pinch all that and find out my most intimate secrets!
    
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    June 10, 2021 4:20pm
    - MCos
      
      That would be ‘consent’ form
      
      I did two because my wife struggles with writing her long and complicated names in English characters.
      
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      June 10, 2021 4:32pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      most intimate secrets!
      They may find out you vote Labour.
      Manage My Health seems to be quite slack atm.
      The free healthcare is not what it is cracked up to be. These days turned into vote buying, DHBs are getting hit hard with Govt not funding due to lack of money.
      My active monitoring for prostate cancer is now 4 months behind, the active bit is not being actioned by the DHB.
      
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      June 10, 2021 6:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Prob his GST number, IRD number, landline and cellphone number, email address, car rego, fuel card discount number, many card numbers so they do know where you have been – but you are encouraged to scan the QR code. FUCK OFF!!
    But we are here from the Govt to HELP you!!!!!
    
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    June 10, 2021 6:27pm
- Keith White
  
  Interested to hear what the warnings were on the consent form and / or were these supplemented in the verbal consent.
  
  Thinking how I have to do both before say doing an epidural… where consent can take sometimes 15-20 minutes when a patient and / or companion / support person / partner have lots of questions…
  
  I assume that agreeing to get an experimental cell modification jab approved only for emergency use and with Medsafe approval still depending on ?59 questions being answered by late July, would have to have a consent form many pages long.
  
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  June 10, 2021 4:53pm
  - Keith White
    
    Up past your bedtime I see BM 🙂
    
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    June 10, 2021 7:26pm
kevn

@Ted… Flu jab and covid jab. Two different animals.
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June 10, 2021 4:34pm
- Keith White
  
  kevn: yes indeed. The usual flu jab is made by e.g. GlaxoSmithKilne choosing a vaccine strain, then isolating the causative virus and then injecting it into chicken eggs where it grows for a few days before it’s removed from the eggs*, killed, and put in a syringe for the jab (*why people with egg allergies are cautioned about getting the flu vaccine.)
  
  The Pfizer mRNA cell modification jab uses a synthetic strand of mRNA (they did use fetal cell lines in testing—to check for potential side effects or damage to cells) whereas the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines used the old fetal cell lines to develop and create the vaccine itself, as well as in lab testing.
  
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  June 10, 2021 4:59pm
ABS4EVA

MELBOURNES LOCK DOWN
IS BASED ON A LABOUR LIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NA4pwyq7dU

Police in Victoria ‘crossed a very dangerous and scary line’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMafqAwDaQw

Victoria Australia UNDER LABOUR
has less freedom than HONG KONG

A legitimate Journalist
Known to be critical of LABOUR

Gets a VISIT From the POLICE at 8:30pm

If that is not INTIMIDATION

WHAT IS

THAT IS THE LABOUR BRAND

Toilet WATER
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June 10, 2021 6:16pm
ABS4EVA

[Deleted – if you wish to make your points: Lose the CAPITALS, and brevity is your friend. Mod.]
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June 10, 2021 8:10pm
- Biscuit
  
  (Not my face, Mod, not my pretty face!)
  
  [We appreciate the humour but we don’t want to inflame anything – Mod]
  
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  June 10, 2021 9:29pm
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    Sweet, Mod!
    
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    June 10, 2021 10:06pm
ABS4EVA

Ok here we go let’s give Credit where credit is due

to help the once most liveable city in the world
recover from their “management”

Australian Labour are

Giving the Melbourne CBD a shoot up DEN.
That is right a shoot up room is all
AUS labour can come up with to stimulate
and revitalise a once vibrant city

Only a ‘spectacularly incompetent government’ would ‘turn the CBD into a drug den’: Panahi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1hb-tKX4ic

Labour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122332994/election-2020-meet-daniel-andrews-labours-biggest-electoral-asset

Yet, behind Jacinda Ardern, Andrews is perhaps unwittingly the biggest political asset for New Zealand Labour in this general election.

He probably doesn’t realise what a huge favour his Government’s Covid cock-ups have done Ardern.

Kumbaya

have a nice lock down

Let’s see what global Time Military gives us in the morning shall we Nukes or Landing craft.
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