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mikenmildagain

Happy World Bicycle Day!
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June 3, 2021 8:01am
RichardX

We have the first losers in the President Harris sweepstakes. Plenty more to come, plus all of those who did not specify a date.

theoldbloke
I hope you feel better DPF after getting that off your chest.
You do realise of course that it wont be a Biden administration but rather a Harris administration.
Anyone who thinks Biden will last the distance is seriously delusional in my opinion.
I give him 6 months max before he is replaced/retires/whatever.
NOVEMBER 2, 2020 1:22PM

6 months from early November has been and gone.

Inandout
SB2, Jill Biden will almost certainly have made arrangements for Joe’s ‘sudden health scare’ and his quiet stepping down from office; say May this year?
As for Trump, why would Melania leave now that her husband can remove the knives from his back?

JANUARY 8, 2021 10:16AM

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curry4me
Nick2: So, another 50 days or less. Then ‘VP’ Harris will pull the 25th on him.
MARCH 25, 2021 8:28PM

50 days was up before the end of May
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June 3, 2021 8:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  You’re happy to see continued elder abuse and verbal incontinence in respect of Biden … because it renders some people’s predictions wrong?
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:42am
- RiP NZ
  
  Its all but –
  Among other priority issues Biden has appointed her lead for the border crisis he created
  He now thinks he has been president for 15 months.
  
  Batmans idol
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:45am
  - doggone7
    
    Credit to Biden then eh? He’s useless can’t do anything yet he created the border crisis?
    
    Something jingles in my memory about some previous guy spending billions on a border wall because there was a border crisis.
    Must’ve been a dream.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:19am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      It is far worse now because there is a President who actively campaigned on making it easier for them. Easier = more decide it’s worth trying.
      
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      June 3, 2021 10:13am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That wall was just about built and the border crisis ended when Biden stole the election and undid all Trump’s great work.
      Now there are endless migrant caravans (infiltrated by ISIS terrorists) being waved through the border crossings by Antifa.
      
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      June 3, 2021 10:55am
      - doggone7
        
        The wall was just about built? Trump’s great work?According to the Trump PR machine?
        
        https://www.khou.com/article/news/verify/verify-how-much-of-president-trumps-450-mile-border-wall-is-actually-a-new-barrier/285-ce164c2a-c8d7-4ded-b82b-6141b980d61b
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492
        
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        June 3, 2021 3:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Richard, have you resorted to digging up past statements as a hobby? I am sure there are more than a few on KB who now cringe at their rooting for Biden before and after the US election. Face it FGS, Biden is a media supported train wreck and sadly will succumb to dementia sooner rather than later; even the MSM can’t hide his crumbling mental state.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Are you going to make a new prediction for his demise that is more definitive that ‘sooner or later’. Or do we need to wait till Biden starts boasting about ‘passing’ a dementia test?
    “Person, woman, man, camera TV.”
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:21am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Yes ! Bingo, my card has been filled, Mikey once again mentions his favourite bit of whataboutism !
      
      Personally I have always thought that they would hang on to Biden for a minimum of 2 years by any means possible – because if Harris takes over before that she is limited to one additional term. If she takes over as POTUS even 1 days after two years since the inauguration she can serve another two full terms. The incumbent typically has a significant advantage, however it will take a heroic amount of MSM propaganda to make Harris likeable enough to get re-elected.
      
      I would say that it is beyond reasonable doubt that Biden has a serious cognitive decline issue, and only those who refuse to even examine the evidence for ideological reasons can’t see it.
      
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      June 3, 2021 10:00am
      - RichardX
        
        Ed Snack
        Yes ! Bingo, my card has been filled, Mikey once again mentions his favourite bit of whataboutism !
        
        Personally I have always thought that they would hang on to Biden for a minimum of 2 years by any means possible – because if Harris takes over before that she is limited to one additional term. If she takes over as POTUS even 1 days after two years since the inauguration she can serve another two full terms. The incumbent typically has a significant advantage, however it will take a heroic amount of MSM propaganda to make Harris likeable enough to get re-elected.
        
        I would say that it is beyond reasonable doubt that Biden has a serious cognitive decline issue, and only those who refuse to even examine the evidence for ideological reasons can’t see it.
        JUNE 3, 2021 10:00AM
        
        Maybe you really have “always thought” that but that is not what you have publicly stated.
        
        Ed Snack
        Likely enough, no. By 2022 it will be Harris that gives the speech as there’s little chance that Biden can be propped up for another year, I very much doubt he’ll even be able to read a teleprompter in 12 months.
        …..
        
        FEBRUARY 26, 2021 5:38PM
        
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        June 3, 2021 11:44am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You can hardly go on about Biden’s mental state and ignore his predecessor’s obvious intellectual and cognitive difficulties.
        For my money, both are too old and impaired for such a demanding role.
        
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        June 3, 2021 11:50am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m happy for him to dig up past statements. He’ll find me listed on this one also. Biden is a Manchurian candidate, and his intellectual fragility is being leveraged.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:22am
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      I actually think Biden is beginning to show some promise. In this clip, he accidently points out the ideological conditioning that advertising performs on us as its main function. Looks like he got the “correct” word via someone in his ear at the end though.
      
      https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1399836392839057411
      
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      June 3, 2021 10:37am
    - Jack5
      
      The Manchurian candidate was an American p.o.w. brainwashed to be a hit man for the Communists.
      
      Are you alleging Biden is a puppet with Xi the puppet master?
      
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      June 3, 2021 4:09pm
      - Mike
        
        He possibly just means it as a generic reference to someone secretly controlled by others. Possibly by, you know, the (((globalists))).
        
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        June 3, 2021 6:38pm
- Nickc2
  
  We can’t help bad luck. As is recorded in the NZ Primary School Curriculum, it is better to fail than to try. // Sarc
  As an aside, its good to see he is loading Commie Kamala up with more jobs as we speak.
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:23am
- theoldbloke
  
  Haha. I guess I should be up there with climate change activists.
  The end is nigh, fear and tremble in your boots.
  Manhattan will be under 20ft of water by 2020.
  
  Well maybe 2050? or 2100? But Climate change will kill us all.
  
  Ok, my 6 months was a bit enthusiastic”.
  
  But happy to put up $100 to say Biden will not be standing for re election.
  And President Harris will get her arse whipped.
  
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  June 3, 2021 11:35am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Sorry, downticked by mistake.
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:36pm
- Ipanema69
  
  To be fair you use a standard actuary table for the usa then joe bidens chance of dying in office is about 20.5%. The chances of a 78 year old man dying in the next year is about 4.7% and this increases with each year of age. So if you do the math for a four year term it works out to the above percentage.
  
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  June 3, 2021 12:41pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Biden hasn’t been President for 6 months; it’s disingenuous (and wrong) to start counting his presidency before he’s even started it.
  
  And Inandout’s prediction was spot on. Melania hasn’t left Trump, much to the disappointment of the twatterati and lefty trolls that lurk here. Jog on, son.
  
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  June 3, 2021 2:02pm
- curry4me
  
  RichardX: Biden is the most likely ‘president’ ever to fall to the 25th Amendment.
  
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  June 3, 2021 7:07pm
lazza

Reposted … in case you missed it from the Mental Health Thread today.

Hey DG … “David Garrett”.

I never knew.

Thank you for your brave revelations.

My Whanau has been touched (impacted) by mental illness leading to suicides.

Their saviour may? have been medication which you have so bravely borne … the awful side effects of.

“Hero” Mate.

What about another sniff (lemonade for me these days) at the Puhoi Pub sometime? No pressure.

Larry.

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June 3, 2021 8:20am
cmm

The free lunch programme is getting a remarkably balanced review in the Herald.

One view (that of Yendarra School), who declined the school lunches, is that there is no mana in getting the government feed your children.

“We don’t give out things for free as we don’t think it does anything for people’s mana.”

Instead they have provided education and guidelines helping parents (and kids) make better lunches and understand nutrition better. These kids will grow up understanding how to make a good mean on a tight budget.

The community is hugely behind this and clearly this has positive spin offs outside of school – also impacting family shopping and nutrition at home.

The second is from Clarissa Mackay , a school lunch activist. She backs up her case with research suggesting that giving out free school lunches is the way to go.

Of course, research from activists is really going to be cherry picked and anything that goes against her activism will be discounted.

She claims that the school lunches are around $5 per child and if that money is not given to the school lunch program, then $5 per child per day should be added to benefits – citing $25 per day for a family of 5 kids.

For her it is only a case of choosing out of two types of handouts. There is no long-term goal to grow people out of this dependence.

She says this also creates business opportunities in the local area. Wow. $5 per lunch is quite a biz op. It makes a nice trough for the local businesses.

She waves away concerns of this being seen as disempowering citing Uk. UK has huge problems with multi-generational dole dependence. It hardly makes her case.

I personally think the first approach is:
1) Going to have far better results as it changes the trajectory of the entire family for the better.
2) That it costs far less ($2 per lunch or so) is a relatively inconsequential, but still tangible spin off, leaving more money in the pot for better societal outcomes.
3) Does enhance mana. There is no mana in living on handouts.

I fully understand why the funding is $5 and not $2. Governments measure by spending – not outcome. “We invested $50 million feeding the most vulnerable” sounds far more impressive than $20M.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-free-lunch-debate-can-schools-tackle-hunger-and-dependency-at-the-same-time/JCAEEVSDQXJHX2M2545CV6XQBU/
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June 3, 2021 8:22am
- Keith White
  
  If parents can’t breed what they feed, should they be parents? Either tie tubes on both genders if you want to get ‘free’ money from other people who actually work for it, or adopt out. No third choice should be offered to people who want to extort our money through the sticky hands of government and bureaucrats.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:29am
  - Maxx
    
    I’d partially agree except for the forced medical and sterilization treatments – human kind has a bad history of those decisions.
    
    But as a whole it does concern me that it’s screamed “think of the children”, yet the parents who often don’t seem to put the children first or perhaps aren’t fit (or maybe ready) to be parents scream from the heavens if the state steps in to interfere – and largely society supports them.
    
    If the children are turning up to school hungry and the parents are willing or able to make the changes or take the education to change this, then wouldn’t “thinking of the children” be putting them into someone else’s care until the situation changes?
    
    As someone who wants to live in a society that values people, understands that at times things don’t go how we plan, and that people need support, I want to help people. I want our society to want to help everyone that is part of it. But being part of a society is playing by the rules, and doing what you can to support the society – however unequal that may be. I don’t even care of you end up being a net-negative contributor over your lifetime, as long as you’ve tried. But if you can’t accept that social contract why should society care about you? We’ll look after the children, but you won’t have any say in it.
    
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    June 3, 2021 8:51am
    - tf78
      
      Maxx, I’m over these bludgers using their children as human shields to protect their ‘benefit income’.
      
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      June 3, 2021 10:45am
    - Keith White
      
      Maxx, no-one is forcing the ferals to get sterilized. We’re asking that they agree to get sterilized if they want to take other people’s money.
      
      It’s often overlooked that if I take your money and give it to a third party (while holding some back for me to fill my government trough) I have directly taken from you the time that you spent, out of your finite life, when you could have been doing something better or more fun :-), the time you spent to earn that money, that I’m now giving away.
      
      As others have said, no-one begrudges a safety net for the haplessly ill, injured, widowed or orphaned; we do abhor a featherbed for lazy sloths.
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:29pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Its always concerned and troubled me that we as a society take more effort in ensuring mistreated animals are taken away from their owners than we do with mistreated children,
    
    In fact we bend over backwards to keep mistreated children with the people who are mistreating them.
    
    Maybe we should look at the Health & Safety Act that says a hazard must be removed.
    
    In this case the hazard is the people mistreating children.
    
    Seems to me we are a screwed up society in this respect.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:44am
- Maxx
  
  Both sides have valid points that I agree with. On the whole it should start with education and guidance and then a safety net of some sort.
  
  What happens to them once they leave school? Lunches aren’t provided then and inevitably they support the local bakery buying their lunch everyday.
  
  Education is understood to be instrumental in breaking the cycle of violence and is no different with topics such as food poverty (and poverty in general), yet Labour and many social warriors seem hell bent on “just give them xyz”.
  
  The proverb “teach a man to fish…” is apt to the situation with the caveat of “if they’re hungry, get them fed first”.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:37am
  - cmm
    
    Safety nets are fine. Turning the safety net into a hammock is not.
    
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    June 3, 2021 8:58am
    - Maxx
      
      Agree with the sentiment – I’d like everyone to contribute, play their part etc. but we’ll always have a small handful who will not do anything or amount to anything. I’d like to think I wouldn’t step over someone in the street who was dying and this is no different. We should support them, to the point where they can exist. I’m not saying it should be a lifestyle and if they can’t go on holiday, or if its a shitty life living like that, take the support that is available and get a job. Perhaps for the long term unemployed (never gonna workers) we should have some soviet style apartment blocks and cafeterias in areas where no one wants to live.
      
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      June 3, 2021 9:22am
      - crikey
        
        “ I’d like everyone to contribute, play their part etc. but we’ll always have a small handful who will not do anything or amount to anything.”
        
        The problem is we now have a very large handful and governments, over the years, have normalised their behaviour. I feel they are forever lost from the productive sector so what can we – those responsible for them ‘not doing anything or amounting to anything’ – do to limit it for future generations?
        
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        June 3, 2021 10:23am
      - Flossie
        
        I agree with your sentiments here. But I do wonder if that “small handful” is getting way bigger?
        
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        June 3, 2021 10:26am
  - namron
    
    Surely one of the basic essentials in having children is feeding them!
    Commonsense should mean that you don’t have 5 kids, then you can’t have them.
    I resent any tax I pay is spent on your stupidity.
    I wonder how many parents would have loved to have had more children, but concerns about paying for their requirements until they were independent stopped them.
    {As an ex-primary teacher for 45 years, I have supervised hundreds – even thousands of kids from 1063, eating their lunches brought from home.
    
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    June 3, 2021 11:47am
- krazykiwi
  
  I found $20 in a old coat pocket this morning. I like Yendarra’s approach so much that this is going to them. Call it a congratulatory donation.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:53am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Going through the Salvation Army clothing bins KK?
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:05am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not at all funny Brian.
      
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      June 3, 2021 9:16am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Either is claiming the population, is brain-washed and frightened because he’s butthurt over his herd immunity propaganda not being swallowed by the world.
        
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        June 3, 2021 9:36am
    - krazykiwi
      
      A re-post just for you, Brian:
      
      Mrs kk and I like to go for walks. At the top of our drive we can turn left, or right and enjoy a picturesque 45-50 minute walk together.
      
      Immediately across the road there is usually a scruffy dog hanging about. It doesn’t matter if we go left or right the dog follows, making a nuisance of itself, sniffing my crotch or, much to the amusement of mrs kk, attempting to hump my leg.
      
      Brian, you remind me of this dog.
      
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      June 3, 2021 9:25am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        Like being humped by dogs KK? Do you whistle out for him?
        
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        June 3, 2021 9:39am
- I remember when
  
  The free lunch programme can have ‘fish hooks’ other than the more obvious ones of quantity and quality.
  In England, where school supplied lunches are a feature, they have just spent varying amounts of the last year with schools being closed.
  If school lunches become a large part of the healthy child system what provisions do we have to make for extended school closures – even summer holidays.
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:22am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, by feeding other people’s kids, these kids will most probably also become taxpayer dependant for the remainder of their lives (probably just like their parents).
  Role models should initially be those in whose house kids reside. Later in life, role model acceptance may change but initially, parents should conduct themselves along the lines of being that role model and that doesn’t include depending on taxpayer handouts (wherever possible).
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:37am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Classic Horrid headline – who in their right mind believes it should be the school’s job to “tackle hunger and dependency”?
  
  I’m sure there are tens of thousands of bludgers and leftards who believes it’s the gummint’s job (via schools or the dole) to feed their kids, butI did state “in their right mind”.
  
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  June 3, 2021 2:07pm
Maxx

It’s an interesting dichotomy that Labour think that giving people more money will lift them out of poverty, that they can be trusted to do the right thing with that money, spending it wisely, and to impart any conditions or accountabilities would be unjust and inhumane.

And yet at the same time people with money can’t be trusted with money, people who run businesses cannot be trusted to do the right thing and must be regulated down to the size of the tea bag they supply, and if left unchecked the free market will destroy society with only Labour to save us from ourselves.
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June 3, 2021 8:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I see.
  People with no money can be trusted with money.
  People with money can not be trusted with money.
  
  Makes sense…
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:44am
  - lazza
    
    If a business partner or relative of mine in a JV/firm sprayed “our” money around willi nilli (like our useless Government has turned into an art form) … with the certain knowledge that the debt REPAYMENT involved would be the responsibility of … “ME” … I would be getting bloody exercised about this … Ehh? ***
    
    So why are Useless Collins, Woodhouse and ???* (West Coast NI Nats finance spokes- person-dude ) … so “limp” about this super-serious state of our Nations affairs.
    
    *** The Nats will be called into fix this cluster . though it will not have been of their making Ehh?
    
    Oh Yeah… I remember: its roll your eyes “Bailey”..
    
    See Hosking this am’s Herald.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:26am
  - Rumpole 294
    
    Oda- you missed off – to a lefty.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:29am
- doggone7
  
  Someone should forward the book to Labour. The one about giving people at the top more money because what they do with it will trickle down and lift the ones at the bottom out of poverty. Is it still in print?
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:24am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    That actually happens though. The rich person invests their money in expansion/other businesses and that creates more jobs and as the businesses grow, creating higher paid jobs, lifting people out of poverty. It’s literally what’s happened in China over the past few decades and something I have personally seen many many times locally.
    
    As opposed to Robertson’s ridiculous adherence to Keynsian Economics which requires a closed loop economy where A buys from B, B buys from C and C buys from A (i.e. late 19th century). Velocity of money arguments make no sense any more. Minimum wage/benefits go up and the money immediately goes to petrol, food and accommodation.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:24am
    - Sacha
      
      It’s what Roger Douglas called “churn”. The money goes round and round in ever reducing circles, and nothing gets added to the pot. Eventually anything that relies on imported goods becomes scarce, because exports suffer, and there are less overseas funds to pay for them.
      Who remembers petrol rationing?
      
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      June 3, 2021 11:54am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The people at the top don’t get given more money son, try and keep up. We earned it by working hard and not giving it to bludgers like you. Simples.
    
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    June 3, 2021 2:10pm
- alloytoo
  
  Labour are wrong about the former, data from the last century simply does not support that theory. It’s bunk and hogwash and has (in the opinion of many respected economists) resulted in significant social ills.
  
  As to the later, if you desire outcomes that are not likely to result from market forces, then yes regulate.
  
  Just be advised that regulation does not magically disappear those market forces.
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:51am
CaptainCompromise

Another piece of race-baiting trash from MSM

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/06/white-supremacy-very-normalised-in-new-zealand-m-ori-not-believed-when-saying-it-affects-them-professor-margaret-mutu.html

I think if you had a white person confidentially survey 100 white people and asked them “do you think white people are superior than Maori”, and then had a Maori looking person ask 100 Maori “do you think Maori are superior to white people” you would have a FAR higher percentage of Maori reply in the affirmative. Of course that is hypothetical conjecture, and holds little merit. But, so is the newshub article and that made the headline online this morning.

The argument that everything wrong with today is caused by white people because of historically dubious arguments about attitudes 3-500 years ago is no more intellectually or morally defensible than saying all Maori are disadvantaged because they’re stuck in a warrior mentality. Yet it keeps getting peddled.

I laughed when Meng Foon made a statement about this mysterious video, saying he was “disappointed that the narrative of white supremacy still persists”. Then I felt sad, because I realised it’s people like him, and the rest of the media, who are desperate to keep it alive.
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June 3, 2021 8:32am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Who would be promulgating the “narrative of white supremacy” in NZ these days?
  
  People whose jobs and power would benefit from the existence of a “threat” that they are required to suppress, I suppose.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Newshub reports activist professor Mutu who is aggrieved as usual. Birds of a feather…
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:55am
- cmm
  
  Indeed the article itself shows how brown supremacy has been normalised.
  
  A professor can make these statements with no repercussions. If anything, her position is enhanced by “speaking up”.
  
  Imagine the shoe on the other foot. How long would a white professor last saying something about brown supremacy? Fired by tea break.
  
  There is systemic bias, but not in the way that is made out by these activists.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    ….and it’s becoming more noticeable by the day across all media.
    In support of this, I witnessed TVNZ1 doing a snow job on a National political candidate last night (the one whose ex-GF objected to him publishing her sexually explicit photos on the Internet). The talking head couldn’t help himself with his smarmy attitude when reading the script. This was the longest excerpt in last night’s news. Would a Labour candidate receive the same treatment? Of course not!
    What, no bias in NZ’s MSM, gimme a break FFS.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:57am
- mandk
  
  The advocates of the “white supremacy” proposition are much the same as the advocates of the anthropogenic global warming notion.
  
  They have no real evidence for it, but it is a good way of making a living.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:44am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  I don’t think that anyone really thinks that merely being White makes you better than someone who isn’t. That would be White supremacy. There are clearly many useless and reprehensible scumbags who are members of the White race, and well adjusted non-Whites.
  
  It’s another thing entirely to say that there is clearly something about White people (as well as Northeast Asians) – be it genetic or cultural (and I think the one follows the other) – that results in a much higher proportion of Whites and Asians succeeding on a personal level as well as a societal level. Differences between races explain why Europe and the Anglosphere, as well as parts of Asia, are far more advanced and developed than Africa (particularly sub-Saharan Africa) and South America. Differences in race also explain the disproportionate number of Black sprinters and basketball players. The latter is uncontroversial, but the former is vehemently rejected out of hand.
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:58am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s always best not to read anything in the MSM, except perhaps the football scores (and even then with a degree of suspicion). I find it’s much better for the blood pressure and general equilibrium to give it a swerve. Ignoring them will make them go away sooner, too.
  
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  June 3, 2021 2:12pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  Critical Race Theory BLM
  are all CCP Programs
  
  To Divide Rule and Conquer
  
  Look at what it is doing to the USA
  
  Communism has no economic benefit
  
  So they must use Race
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:47pm
TWEEDSE

Good on Yendarra School. Teach kids and families how to cook and why and it gives them a huge step up in life and a sense of pride.

Give a man a fish etc…
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June 3, 2021 8:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep, give a man a fish and he will be back tomorrow for another one
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:55am
  - Biscuit
    
    Nah, Steve, give a man a fish and he’ll be:
    ‘If you’d just given me the money, I could have bought Mackas’
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:59am
- Ian Boag
  
  Teach him how to fish and he will sit in a boat all day drinking beer …. 🙂
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    First he has to buy a boat, outboard, fishfinder/gps, new trailer and a Dodge Ram to tow it
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      FFS Steve, that’s what welfare is for……..
      
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      June 3, 2021 1:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes, I have seen what WINZ will pay for, just so an unemployable guy can go fish to feed his family
        
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        June 3, 2021 2:26pm
- Rumpole 294
  
  Sounds like Yendarra school is not infested with lefties, common sense still exists -yeah!
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:32am
Happychappy

This doesn’t excuse Jake Bezzant for the germ he is or what he has done but can someone please tell me which is the worst crime , Jacinda Arderns help to cover up a sexual assault when Darren Hughes was found chasing a naked lad down a street in Hamilton, or covering up a sexual assault that a senior staff member out of her office committed after promising those that were effected she would get Justce for them .
There will be a lot of publicity over this a the law maybe does need changing but it’s a bit rich for Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister to seek political points and shows just what a hypocrite she is
National need to upgrade the system on how candidates are selected because this is not just aimed at Bezzant its aimed at National and their integrity.
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June 3, 2021 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Neither is acceptable HC, and neither should be tolerated. And the Darren Hughes allegation you refer to took place in Wellington, not Hamilton.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:51am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yup. Suburb of Hataitai, in/around the home of former Labour MP Anette King
    
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    June 3, 2021 8:57am
  - alwyn
    
    And it was more than 10 years ago when Phil Goff was Labour Party leader and Jacinda was Jacinda Who?
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Elected president of the International Union of Socialist Youth 2008
      
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      June 3, 2021 9:47am
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        Most of us have probably seen the “Comrade Jacinda” video on YouTube. However, I noticed the other day that there seems to be (at least) two different instances. Please note that, in the second clip hereunder, Ardern is conspicuously dressed as something approaching a dominatrix.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeUfEDLIwCI&t=14s
        
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        June 3, 2021 11:03am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Fidel Cashflow,
        Repugnant isn’t it? A total train wreck ,mad as a meataxe
        
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        June 3, 2021 12:09pm
      - alwyn
        
        It must have been terribly important.
        Now tell me -Without using Google.
        
        When did that organisation start.
        Is it still in existence.
        Give me the name of the President before Ardern.
        Give me the President after Ardern.
        Failed them all did you?
        
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        June 3, 2021 2:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ alwyn.
        No google? How about duckduckgo?
        Really I would have to go back to the library, but those books have prob been removed and burnt
        
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        June 3, 2021 3:37pm
  - SGA
    
    And the Darren Hughes allegation you refer to took place in Wellington, not Hamilton.
    
    And Ardern would have been a first term MP at the time (?), so I’m not sure that blaming her for a cover up really fits, and the cover up wasn’t much of one given it was all through the media and led to Hughes’ resignation.
    
    Apart from all that, a well-balanced, impartial post by Happychappy 🙂
    
    But I agree with Tony S, it’s not acceptable no matter the political persuasion of the person.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:18am
- Chuck Bird
  
  A big difference is that no National MP will have anything to do with Jake Bezzant but Ardern is still friends with Dirty Daren Hughes.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:57am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    If Bezzant was a Labour MP, Jacinda would probably say she still has confidence in him and keep him on.
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “probably” …. surely you jest?
      
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      June 3, 2021 1:30pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Dead cert, and this would never have been released by the NZ media.
        He may have been a naughty boy, so what? Seem like his ex is not squeaky clean and maybe even vindictive.
        Disregard that last bit – unreliable news source – Kiwiblog ///
        
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        June 3, 2021 3:41pm
- pdm
  
  Has Peter Goodfellow offered his resignation as President and from the Board yet?
  
  Thought not.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:04am
  - jv
    
    National will go nowhere until Goodfellow Goner.
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:55pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Couldn’t. Agree. More.
      
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      June 3, 2021 2:15pm
- rangitoto
  
  Bezzant is accused of some stuff. Could be just a wrathful ex.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:33am
  - pdm
    
    Could be more than one accuser from what I see Rangitoto.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:50am
    - Paulus
      
      I though it was one accuser and friend ?
      
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      June 3, 2021 4:29pm
Alan Wilkinson

Spent yesterday afternoon at Spark Stadium for Auckland Uni graduation ceremony session for Faculty of Arts and remainder of Science left over from the morning session.

The graduates were 75% female and at least 50% Asian or Pacific Islanders. I guess that is where our future school teachers are coming from.

What is happening to the boys? Something is seriously awry in education.
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June 3, 2021 8:41am
- cmm
  
  You’d be mad to go teaching if you’re male. Show any competence or swim against the tide in any way and you’re quickly going to find yourself under attack.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:49am
  - MCos
    
    Is that right?
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:16am
    - Tall Man
      
      Pointless question and stupid to boot.
      
      You know damn well that male teachers are frowned upon, especially in the primary sector.
      
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      June 3, 2021 1:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What about the ones that identify as female?
        What about the drag ones?
        
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        June 3, 2021 3:52pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yep. Males seem to be looked at with suspicion, eg, possible abusers etc. What is ironic is that in the last few decades it is female teachers abusing their positions to have sex with male minors etc.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And female minors
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:53pm
- TWEEDSE
  
  I think the boys are smart enough to realise 4 years of uni is 4 years wasted. Uni is a giant business built around fooling kids into debt to profit the uni.
  
  I learnt a huge amount in my careers by working and learning at the same time.
  
  Unless you want to be a pink haired loudmouth, get out in the world, experience it, learn every day and enjoy the time you have.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:01am
  - graham
    
    Surely that depends very much on what you want to do with your life.
    
    If you want to work as an engineer or a medical professional, for example, then it’s hardly a waste.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:13am
    - TWEEDSE
      
      That’s true Graham but both those career’s have clear goals and, certainly in medicine, it is combined practical and theory at the same time.
      
      Going to uni for the sake of it and doing an arts degree just benefits the uni business. It also spits out the student with a sense of entitlement to a job. And a debt.
      
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      June 3, 2021 9:43am
    - cmm
      
      Correct, but most people at university are not pursing those degrees. They’re just doing a BA in parties.
      
      Increasingly even technical university education (sciences, computer science, engineering) is going down the lav and all you need it for is to have a piece of paper to wave about.
      
      You can already get a far better computer science education on youtube than you can get at university.
      
      If you really want to do courses etc, then hit https://www.coursera.org/ and do courses with multiple universities worldwide at low cost: at your own place, at your own pace, while you work. $400 will give you all you can eat access for a year.
      
      Work full time, study after hours is the ultimate combination.
      
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      June 3, 2021 12:17pm
  - RockyJ
    
    Both Graham and Tweedse make good points. In my travels around the many mid-sized successful businesses in NZ it impressed me how many were owned and actively managed by blokes with trade qualifications. The average turnover would have been around $10 million pa. Many of them employed university graduates in middle management roles
    
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    June 3, 2021 11:00am
- doggone7
  
  What is happening to the boys? Becoming builders, fruit pickers, and working on fishing boats?
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:07pm
Gulag1917

Good news.
Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the formation of the Russian Federation, The Gulag Archipelago has been officially published, and it has been included in the high school program in Russia as mandatory reading since 2009.
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June 3, 2021 8:42am
- oldfella
  
  Meanwhile. Gulag, it’s illegal for us to possess, or read, the Tarrant manifesto because we’re too intellectually immature to handle it.
  I assume Cindy read it before she made her captain’s call for the rest of the team of 5 million 5 year olds (which is how she treats us).
  Now, where’s that library copy of Mein Kampf?
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:51am
  - cmm
    
    Yes, she said she read it so that we don’t have to.
    
    Of course if she doesn’t show us a video I am included not to believe her.
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m not sure tarrant wrote it in crayon so I’m inclined to call ardern a liar on this statement.
      
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      June 3, 2021 1:25pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I think it’s in the same video that shows her getting a COVID-19 vaccine jab.
      
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      June 3, 2021 2:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mein Kampf?
    Had to give it back. It was on loan from Crim dot Crim.
    What’s that? Her own book? No way she would buy it unless you paid for it
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:57pm
Bobba Fret

It’s going to be a long 2 years and 4 months for this bloke who still cant be named if he’s complaining after just 6 nights.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/six-nights-behind-bars-prominent-businessman-asks-court-of-appeal-for-bail-after-initial-bid-dismissed/XEXXYGC2LHPCIWQHV3BOUC75GI/
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June 3, 2021 8:43am
Kiwi_in_Paris

The pressure on Fauci continues:

https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/229

https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/230

Let’s hope it all falls down like a house of cards.
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June 3, 2021 8:45am
- krazykiwi
  
  Nope. I call low quality fake on this on.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Hmmm, actually. It’s looking more genuine. Seems 3000+ pages of Facui’s emails have been hacked and published
    
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    June 3, 2021 11:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He ignored what Killary told him – thought he was smarter, having Chinese backup ….
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:59pm
    - Kiwi_in_Paris
      
      Freedom of information requests actually.
      
      My old boss used to have saying, “These are for walking, this is for thinking!!” pointing to his feet, and head.
      
      He never said it to me though.
      
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      June 3, 2021 6:32pm
- oldfella
  
  Fauci’s new book is definitely in trouble after the release of those emails. Will the mighty tumble?
  https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/06/02/and-just-like-that-dr-faucis-book-has-been-pulled-from-presales-n390371 Here’s an overview of the Fauci email scandal that could bring him down.
  https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/06/02/and-just-like-that-dr-faucis-book-has-been-pulled-from-presales-n390371
  
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  June 3, 2021 11:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The book (not read, and unlikely) is just a diversion away from the implementation of Socialism into America.
    Fucking media
    
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    June 3, 2021 4:02pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Where’s Dr Brix? Have the emails between her and Fauci been exposed? Did they conspire to control the American population even though they knew masks and lockdowns didn’t work?
  
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  June 3, 2021 6:25pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    *Dr Birx.
    Just like Fauci, she is TOAST ?
    
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    June 3, 2021 7:14pm
cmm

What’s this big obsession with bucket lists? Write your sob story about your bucket list and hope donations flood in?

After a life of crime and drugs this woman should be grateful she’s getting emergency housing, medical services and benefits from the society she has deliberately harmed.

Instead she seems to feel entitled to expect more hand outs for a preposterously grandiose “bucket list”.

Sorry lady, maybe time to wind in those entitled feelings a bit and set a simpler “bucket list”. Isn’t it enough to go for a walk on the beach?

Sorry too about your illness, but just remember your lifestyle has, and continues, to contribute to that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125318569/homeless-woman-with-terminal-illness-dealt-blow-in-bid-to-complete-bucket-list
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June 3, 2021 8:46am
- kowtow
  
  Why the hospital waiting lists are so long .
  
  Three heart surgeries ( when she’s huge and presumably can make an effort to dump some fat ) and she ‘s “eating a famously large ice-cream in Waipapa”
  
  Why we pay so much tax.
  
  Buys a shit van and ” the Ministry of Social Development helped her pay $715 to fix.”
  
  Why our Media are so shit .
  
  Where’s this “Stuart ” Island the journo speaks of. This from the idiots who’d call one racist for dropping a macron……
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:12am
- oldgolfer
  
  Trust Stuff to find her. And that outfit reckons staff will get some sort of staff bonus. A ship of fools.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

Black Dad says no Critical Race Theory for his daughter..
https://www.newsweek.com/robby-starbuck-kory-yeshua-critical-race-theory-tiktok-video-1596749
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June 3, 2021 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Kids don’t see others by their colour
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:52am
  - RockyJ
    
    They sure will after experiencing the NZ education system. The brown kids will hate the white kids and the white kids will hate themselves.
    
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    June 3, 2021 11:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is exactly what they are being taught.
      
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      June 3, 2021 12:11pm
slightlyrighty

IN the last few years, one organisation has spent 750 Million buying up housing stock in New Zealand.

In doing so, it is competing directly with First Home Buyers, simultaneously forcing them out of purchasing these homes, and driving up the price of homes nationwide.

Backed with limitless funds, this organisation is wreaking havoc in the residential property marketplace.

Why have we not heard anything from the MSM about this? Simple. Its the Labour Government.
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June 3, 2021 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  750M is only 750 houses. Well short of the constant re-adjusted target
  
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  June 3, 2021 4:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

White Privilege is a “theme” for NZ teaching resources…
but, hey, it’s not in the curriculum.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/associate-education-minister-jan-tinetti-insists-white-privilege-is-theme-of-teaching-resources-not-part-of-curriculum.html
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June 3, 2021 8:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Jan Tinetti is dancing on the head of a pin. The fact that the construct of “white privilege” is being taught to teachers as part of the Te Hurihanganui programme, developed under the auspices of the Ministry of Education and promoted on MoE’s website is enough to cause concern.
  
  https://www.education.govt.nz/our-work/overall-strategies-and-policies/te-hurihanganui/
  
  And here is what Te Hurihanganui aims to achieve:
  
  Te Hurihanganui Pou
  Together, through the principles of Te Hurihanganui we will:
  
  Strengthen kaupapa Māori to support a cultural shift in the education system – Strengthening kaupapa Māori means recognising the validity and legitimacy of Māori language, culture, philosophy and principles. It means thinking critically and developing a critique of non-Māori constructions and definitions of Māori and affirming the importance of Māori self-definitions and self-valuations.
  Build critical consciousness to support a structural shift in the education system – Building critical consciousness means reflecting critically on the imbalance of power and resources in society, and taking anti-oppressive action to do something about it for the better. It means recognising white privilege, understanding racism, inequity faced by Māori and disrupting that status quo to strengthen equity.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Do you object to teaching about white privilege, or simply refuse to accept that it exists at all?
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:04am
    - DeepBlue
      
      I object to children being made to atone for any action (true or not) of their forebears or their forebears skin color.
      
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      June 3, 2021 9:44am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Apart from its obvious racism it is counter-productive for its pupils who will grow up to fail with a cast iron excuse. However they will certainly be in line to collect another one of the useless jobs it creates while the boffins scratch their heads over the national decline in productivity.
      
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      June 3, 2021 10:03am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How is it ‘racist’ to point out that some races have enjoyed systemic privileges?
        
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        June 3, 2021 10:48am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Mike – because they are ASSUMED systemic privileges on the basis of race.
        
        Just because some Maori are criminals who benefit from crime doesn’t mean all Maori are.
        
        Same thing here – some white people have benefitted from their race (as racists do exist) but that doesn’t mean all of us have. The fact that many at the top were for years white males doesn’t actually mean all us other white males actually benefitted from it more than Maori did.
        
        That’s where the racism comes from. “White Privilege” assumes all whites have the same advantages in life. We don’t.
        
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        June 3, 2021 11:46am
      - graham
        
        Why concentrate on white privilege only, mikenmildagain?
        
        Let’s teach about white passing privilege, male privilege, heterosexual privilege, cisgender privilege, able-bodied privilege, passport privilege, non-immigrant privilege, right-handed privilege …
        
        How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?
        
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        June 3, 2021 11:49am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Because it assumes those privileges derive from their race rather than their culture.
        
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        June 3, 2021 12:18pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Mike, this is an ideology being imported from overseas.
        In NZ, the drive for ‘equity’ (i.e. enforced statistical equality, regardless of the differences between individuals) ironically creates a measurable non-white privilege.
        
        The prioritisation of Maori and Pacifica for health (this was known before the announced separate health authority), affirmative action and quotas in the employment section based on race, the availability of scholarships based on race….
        
        I reject white privilege as iron-truth, and would only suggest it is taught (if at all) as sociological THEORY.
        Margeret Mutu for instance is in a far more privileged position than many white people as she denounces the ‘white supremacist system’ from her very real position of power.
        
        White privilege is a weak idea, taken a gospel and not up for debate. Yet it is a very limited hypothesis. More of a built-in excuse for those that want to embrace perpetual victimhood and a sense of grievance based on skin tone.
        
        Mike- is there a sliding scale, like a painters colour guide which you can put up to a persons skin, and tell me what % of privilege versus oppression a person has?
        Is a 15/16th Pakeha with a drop of Maori blood the oppressor or still the victim?
        What about a person who is 50% European & Maori ancestry?
        When does white privilege start to count in which direction as an irrestiable force?
        Or is it how they CHOOSE to feel.
        
        LOL, I remember a dickhead coming up to a mate of mine years ago and saying “You stole our land!” and my mate said back, “Sorry, I dont have your land”.
        I should put my hands in my pockets and start shovelling my privilege out for the dickheads: Here you go, take my privilege. As much as you can carry!
        
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        June 3, 2021 1:05pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Overt racial advantage (i.e. getting jobs/money/spots because of your race) in this country is far more likely to go to Maori.
      
      The White privilege argument is generally speaking broken down into a whole bunch of incredibly racist assumptions:
      Having 2 active parents is privilege.
      Going to uni is privilege.
      Having family wealth is privilege (but having access to Maori scholarships which is basically family wealth isn’t)
      Having parents who don’t assault you is privilege.
      Being able to do math and english is privilege.
      Understanding the value of hard work is privilege.
      Having parents that feed you is privilege.
      Seeing someone of the same colour as you on TV is privilege.
      Going to a hairdresser and they know how to do your hair is privilege.
      etc, etc, etc.
      
      The assumption behind “white privilege” is that all white people have all of these little privileges whereas Maori are inferior and do not. It is an evil lie that works to undermine the self reliance of Maori and force them to rely on others (whether it’s the Government or their tribal elite).
      
      It should not be taught anywhere. EVER.
      
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      June 3, 2021 10:40am
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      mike, give us an example of White privilege. If it is allegedly pervasive, you should have no difficulty.
      
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      June 3, 2021 11:17am
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        mike, given that you apparently can’t give me any examples, I think today we can confidently say that New Zealand can be officially declared White privilege-free! This must be a great relief to you, yes?
        
        However, very worryingly, I have recently pointed out in another comment section today that Maori get privileged access to 2nd year law, due only to their race, when their scores aren’t good enough. What do you say mate: you and me, hand-in-hand against the very real scourge that is Maori privilege. Let’s do it, I’m pumped!
        
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        June 3, 2021 5:11pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Tell us all about your privilege Mike. You can probably borrow some whips and chains from Bezzant’s ex to use in atonement of your sins.
      
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      June 3, 2021 12:07pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      As Jordan Peterson states – accurately:
      
      “The idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that is more racist than that. It’s absolutely abhorrent.”
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:13pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      When we’ve all learned about white privilege, real and imaginary, and our consciousness has been built, how many more Maori tradies, entrepreneurs, scientists, engineers, small business owners etc will there be? How many fewer beaten children, prisoners, gangsters?
      
      I don’t know the answers to those questions and I suspect the prophets of CRT and white privilege don’t know either, but they have faith – the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen – which I don’t.
      
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      June 3, 2021 6:36pm
  - Cinematic
    
    This is criminal. Encouraging a theme of pointing the finger of blame instead of opening young minds to a world of opportunity and aspiration. It’s sick actually.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:22am
    - RockyJ
      
      Cinematic, agree it is sick. The purpose is not to develop the kids but to open the door for acceptance by the next generation of a complete Maori takeover. Together with the depressing climate change curriculum no wonder youth suicide is rising
      
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      June 3, 2021 11:06am
      - Jack5
        
        Meanwhile, is this a kangaroo court to subdue the police into Woke inertia?
        
        A panel/research group/panel will investigate alleged bias towards Maori in the police force. This while the country reels from surging gang violence and murders.
        
        It’s a Woke, disproportionately Maori panel. It even includes the country’s Mr Multiculturism, Paul Spoonley.
        
        The chairman is Kim Workman, prison reformer now described as criminal justice advocate.
        
        The group, a project of Waikato University and Workman, is supported by the Police Commissioner, Andrew Coster.
        
        The Commissioner says the project focuses on identifying “whether, where, and to what extent bias existed at a system level in the police’s operating environment.”
        
        Coster said the project will look into:
        
        -Who police stop and speak to and how they engage with them;
        
        – Decision making around when and why the use of force is justified;
        
        – Decision making around when charges against a person are deemed necessary.
        
        Members of the project:
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/443982/fair-policing-and-racial-bias-sir-kim-workman-to-lead-panel
        
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        June 3, 2021 5:44pm
  - Yvette
    
    Tony Stuart – Te Hurihanganui
    A new name was also needed to reflect the transformative nature required of the work and locate this initiative within the wider Education Work programme. After lengthy discussions, Kingi Kiriona (Ngāti Ruanui, Ngāti Kahungunu and Ngāti Apa) gifted the name Te Hurihanganui, providing the following explanation:
    … it is said that Ranginui (the Sky Father) and Papatūānuku (the Earth Mother) were separated by their son Tāne Mahuta and his brothers. Such was the grief of both parents following the separation, and as an act of aroha, the children elected to turn their mother face down to avoid one parent seeing the sadness and despair of the other. This act became known as ‘Te Hurihanganui’, the great change or turning point, from which mankind evolved into Te Ao Mārama (the World of Light).
    https://poutamapounamu.org.nz/news/2020/what-is-te-hurihanganui
    
    Anyone walking right around the equator of a round world, with their head following a circle or circumference about six feet further from the earth’s centre than their feet, should find their head travels about 30 metres more than their feet. But the body does not stretch in walking any great distance – a circumstance indicating parallel travel of both points, or occurring only on a flat surface.
    This flat earth proof could only be surpassed by Maori believing the earth has been turned through 180 degrees to be upside down, in answer to vast parental dysfunction.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:01am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      …their head travels about 30 metres more than their feet.
      
      Not quite.
      
      6ft ~ 1.829m
      Circumference = 2 times pi times radius
      2 * pi * 1.83 ~ 11.5m
      
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      June 3, 2021 6:59pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    All they all going to be trained in the use of mere too for settling disputes?
    
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    June 3, 2021 11:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    Do they also have “black bullying” as a theme to explain the rise of assaults perpetrated by non whites leading to a disproportionate number of non whites charged, convicted and imprisoned for violent crimes?
    
    As a youngster growing up with maori I can certainly attest to the fact that we whites who were in the minority were certainly a target not to be missed.
    
    How about we practice inclusiveness for all and ignore minor DNA differences in our makeup?
    
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    June 3, 2021 1:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Something doesn’t stack up….

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2106/S00022/govts-denials-about-white-privilege-dont-stack-up.htm
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June 3, 2021 8:51am
- Keith White
  
  …But the BS / lying about it is Piling Higher and Deeper out there in Politicstan.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:04am
- KevO'Brien
  
  “Associate Education Minister Jan Tinetti says that programmes like Te Hurihanganui are needed because ‘systemic racism’ in the education system is keeping Māori at the bottom of the heap.
  
  This is an import of the US disease. Maori may see themselves with taiaha and mere like Hone Heke cutting down flag poles and people but those days have gone. Those people were going to as well as utu took out more than half their known society. They had to escape from their band of wild bros or become dinner for them.
  
  If they have lesser privileges now it is because they do not have the degree of nous of others and put each other down still. They are a highly stratified society and only the top level have permission to succeed. It is regarded as very ill mannered to be seen to out shine a higher social standing better. They cannot blame their retention of social standing and achievement on anyone but themselves. As for trying to pick us off they are looking in the wrong direction.
  
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  June 3, 2021 11:42am
Maggie Pie

Grant Robinson saying this morning ” ……the government is tilting the housing market towards the first home buyer”.
LOL!!

While this vid of a house auction is described as an ‘Aussie piss-take’, it’s exactly what you would expect in say somewhere like Mt Roskill….

https://reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/niaw7m/aussie_pisstake_on_your_average_house_auction_and/
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June 3, 2021 8:52am
- Tony Stuart
  
  How much is the purchase on the open market by Kaianga Ora of homes to the value of $75 million “tilting the housing market towards the first home buyer”?
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    Was this before or after Phill Twyfords disastrous Kiwi Build?
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:28am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Tony I only wish it was a mere $75 million, but I’m afraid you left a zero off.
    
    The amount Kainga Ora had spent buying up houses, in direct competition with first home buyers, was actually $750 million as of February this year.
    
    That bought 1,053 houses, of which 660 are in Auckland.
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:19pm
- Maxx
  
  You’ve gotta admire Grant. The guy has no shame in just saying what he wants people to believe.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

See where this transgender bullshit is going?
https://uniteamericafirst.com/women-in-prison-complain-about-transgender-women-getting-a-full-erection/?
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June 3, 2021 8:57am
- oldfella
  
  Steve, I’ll bet most of the transgender women-with-erections could lift heavier weights than most of their biological female prison mates. J4
  Could that get some kind of dispensation to try out for the women’s weight lifting events at the Olympics? /s
  
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  June 3, 2021 11:00am
dave_c_

“Covid 19 coronavirus: Ashley Bloomfield says pandemic ‘probably not even halfway through’. ”

This only confirms what I have believed all along.
Covid is a scam, and keeps on giving, for those who are creating their nirvana – NWO

How simple eh ! Wave 2, 3, 4, 5,6 – A script that can be rolled out ad-infinitum – subtle changes, subtle reduction of our freedoms. . . until it is too late.
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June 3, 2021 8:58am
- Keith White
  
  Yes. We keeping hearing about more and more positive tests all over the place – and yet we do not hear accurate figures of the conversion rates from positive tests in well people, to sick people, to people who need ICU-level care, to death. The R0 for the XiVirus at the time of writing is definitely no worse than previous global flus of higher than average morbidity and mortality but the continuing overreaction is going to rack up a body count far higher than ever before.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    My understanding is that we have had no positive cases requiring medical treatment in NZ since September 2020 in New Zealand.
    
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    June 3, 2021 1:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is a lot of bullshit, eg: India has say 1.3B people, 270000 are dying from Covid every day.
  But wait ,before Covid India had25 to 30 thousand dying every day. Covid seems to have cured influenza.
  The socialist control freaks and the media are playing you.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:38am
- Master Mariner
  
  Absolutely.
  Heres Singapore’s take on it, Makes good sense.
  
  https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/singapores-covid-19-strategy-vaccination-key-new-normal-contact-tracing-testing-also
  
  A couple of pertinent points for me.
  
  “Only when herd immunity is achieved can severe infections decrease
  Testing and contact tracing will continue to be important, as it will take a few months until most of the population is inoculated.
  
  So where does this leave us in Disney land . Is it time to really consider letting in enough infected people to control outbreaks and get herd immunity, Otherwise we will be doing this forever while i “assume” everyone else “keeps calm and carries on” around the globe.
  On another note have covid jab next week and now looks like my next tour will be India in 2 months time.
  My does’nt time fly when you having fun.
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:03am
- kowtow
  
  And each ‘wave’ brings a ‘variant’ that the media tells us is worse than its predessor.
  
  The latest from Vic is you can get it just walking past someone , it’s a “beast”.
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:24am
Tony Stuart

Two Air New Zealand employees are self-isolating after exposure to a Covid-infected traveller. Might they have been on a flight from Melbourne, by any chance?
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June 3, 2021 9:01am
- sooty
  
  Why aren’t they in quarantine?
  Is working for ANZ special?
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:30am
  - Master Mariner
    
    It appears so sooty.
    Check MOH website Air border and Marine border requirements.
    Rules for some and not others.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:05am
Maggie Pie

And great to see that this horrible creep was remanded in custody until his trial next year.

Honestly, you would have to wonder on what grounds he was allowed into NZ in the first place?
It wouldn’t have been for his…. ‘looks’ 🙁

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/125321946/man-accused-of-raping-four-women-well-known-in-football-circles
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June 3, 2021 9:04am
- Keith White
  
  He was/is of an OAE (Officially Approved Ethnicity).
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:06am
  - MCos
    
    He’s Zimbabwean.
    A lot of them in NZ.
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:51am
- MCos
  
  I wonder why your rich neighbour who was convicted of sex crimes gets name suppression and this bloke doesn’t?
  Why is he in NZ?
  A quarter of the people in NZ were born elsewhere, including my wife, my mother, my grandmother, my great grandparents.
  Everyone’s got to be somewhere.
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s no good telling me your problems Cossie.
    
    I’m hopeless with things like that 😀
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Content is in the link.
https://rumble.com/vhwt7d-kayleigh-mcenany-shares-personal-story-about-the-real-trump.html?
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June 3, 2021 9:06am
- doggone7
  
  Before I spend time looking, since it’s a woman, is it an accusation of rape or of being grabbed?
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No, it is a compliment from McEnany
    
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    June 3, 2021 9:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    Are they the only things that excite you?
    
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    June 3, 2021 1:10pm
mikenmildagain

Well done, Devon Conway.
A century on debut at Lord’s – can’t get much better than that.
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June 3, 2021 9:07am
- Brian McDonald
  
  What channel has it live Mike?
  Apparently, no fist pumps when he got there, also was revealed that he had the highest number of domestic comp runs for any debutant.
  A good settler for the Black Caps with a big battle ahead.
  
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  June 3, 2021 9:49am
  - SGA
    
    What channel has it live Mike?
    
    I tried looking for an audio feed last night both on radio and the internet, but no joy. Spark seems to have it sewn up from what I can tell.
    I’d appreciate any info too.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:16am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s on Spark Sport.
    
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    June 3, 2021 10:50am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Spark Sport has this game and next week’s, as part of their agreement with the ECB. However the World Test Championship in two weeks is an ICC fixture, and Sky TV still has the rights to ICC matches overseas.
      
      Conway was superb last night. I watched the first session in the lounge, then because my wife was away for the night took my iPhone to bed and left the stream running. I heard the first half hour of the post-lunch session, then bits and pieces as I dozed and woke up. My wife is home tonight, so I might have to go to bed with my airbuds in!
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:37pm
- oldfella
  
  Mike, how long before the South Africans ask if they can have him back?
  What a great pick up for NZ cricket. Pity he had to sit out 3 years before he qualified for a black cap.
  
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  June 3, 2021 11:04am
  - James Stephenson
    
    They never asked England for Kevin Pietersen. Hopefully Conway can avoid becoming another KP, because it got to the point that I’d rather watch England lose without him than win with him.
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:27pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      My son is actively involved with cricket in Wellington. He tells me Conway is one of the nicest blokes you could want to meet, and a world apart from Pietersen. He loves New Zealand, which he now views as home, and even though he’s 29, a long career beckons for him.
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:39pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Day 1 highlights – courtesy of the England & Wales Cricket Board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1VLZUS37-E&t=4s
  
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  June 3, 2021 5:00pm
Maxx

This Oneroof (aka NZ Herald real estate properganda page) If there was no foreign buyer ban, NZ would see $100m house sales, say agents started me thinking about the foreign buyer ban.

Starting off, I should say I’m against it. Free market, as an owner I should be able to sell (within reason) to whoever I want, etc. But assuming it’s here to stay, and using the expert analysis of Phil ‘don’t call me racist’ Twyford’s discovery that the Wong’s, Li’s, and Patel’s (it’s not racist anymore because it includes an Indian name as well), would it impact the affordability and ability of first home buyers if the was a floor placed to the value that a property could be purchased if you were a foreigner? Say $10m for residential property or 10x what the upper quartile average for the year? Maybe some other variable that accounts for region and/or land area etc.

I could only wish to have a property of this value to sell, so it wouldn’t affect or benefit me. But this would be positive for the economy, bringing in foreign capital and spending into local markets. It won’t happen under Labour though because a) it benefits the rich pricks who should donate these properties to the homeless, b) they didn’t think of it, and c) it would be going backwards on what they implemented. At least it’s almost the weekend…
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June 3, 2021 9:13am
Maggie Pie

LISTEN: ‘Whips, Chains and Brains’

If any of the group would like to follow Tarryn’s podcasts (Jake Bezzant’s EX girlfriend) you can do that here. In the first episode, she lays bare her experiences with Jake during their time together.

ENJOY 😛

https://twitter.com/benapeters/status/1399897312298639361
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June 3, 2021 9:20am
- fernglas
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:01am
I remember when

Lou Hutchinson, who handles PR for the Hamilton chapter of the Mongrel Mob.
Now there’s a job that would seem to have some long term prospects.
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June 3, 2021 9:44am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

My partner’s initial reaction when this just screened on Aljaz….

“GO MOSSAD!!”

https://aje.io/4mvmzg
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June 3, 2021 9:55am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Two pilots ejected on the ground whilst the aircraft was in the hangar. Wonder if that was Mossad
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:12am
  - kowtow
    
    How do you say ” Don’t touch that button” in Farsi?
    
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    June 3, 2021 11:31am
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: They had another fire on land too.
  
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  June 3, 2021 7:38pm
I remember when

How is the Horowhenua really doing.
Still nearly 1900 on Job Seeker benefit.
Average Long Term Unemployment figure is 1550.
Population approx 35,000.
Of these 18.3% (6100) are under 15 and 24.7% (8223) are over 65.
Unemployment rate at present 5.4%.
Dairy payment expected to reach $140m this season and highly reliant on Horticulture.
The two largest market garden operators employ about 200 workers of whom about 20 are from the islands.
Tourism is down 9.5%.
What are the future prospects when both of their major farming enterprises face considerable future ‘headwinds.’
Lake Horowhenua and nitrates to name just two.
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June 3, 2021 10:09am
- artemisia
  
  Meanwhile in Ohau, some residents are ‘stunned’ that someone wants to build a retirement village with 150 apartments.
  
  One said – “It would impinge on my view and on my enjoyment of life. It looks like a 17th century lunatic asylum.”
  
  Suggest the developer pivots to provide social housing for all those local unemployed IRW mentions.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/300312456/plans-for-threestorey-150-apartment-complex-in-rural-horowhenua-stuns-neighbours
  
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  June 3, 2021 12:55pm
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 20.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this week’s episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, MSM, Wall Street, $oros, ANTIFA, BLM, Nordstream, and Burisma.
Will ‘VP’ Harris visit the border? Does Sleepy Joe think the border is Hunter’s new flatmate? Will sitting on Sleepy Joe’s knee cure AOCs PTSD? Will liberals still support BLM after all the scandals? Will their check books snap shut? How many more BLM leaders will quit? Will black entrepreneurs be able to find lawyers and accountants? Will gas go to $8 a gallon? Will imports from Russia bring the price down? Will Sleepy Joe really press Putin on human rights? Will he press Sleepy Joe on cyber censorship? Will Seattle still have any police officers? Will there be any more flip flops from Fauci? Will China build more long range nukes? Will more buildings begin shaking? Will any fall down? Will Dorsey, and Modi exchange Diwali greetings? Will another Iranian warship mysteriously burn, and sink? Will John Cena get a job with the People’s Daily? Is it different from the WaPO, or the NYT? Are Biden, Obama, and Fauci embarrassed about funding the Wuhan lab? Can anything embarrass liberals? Who will Russian cyber attackers target next? Will the Dems win any special elections?
Will people stop leaving blue states? Will some red states issue free local license plates to new arrivals with California ones? Will crypto benefit from ‘stimulus checks’? Will Sleepy Joe drop the ‘Squad’? Does he think they’re from a high school ROTC? Which blue state will have a surge in shoplifting this week? Stay tuned folks!
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June 3, 2021 10:11am
curry4me

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html

COVID-19 ‘has NO credible natural ancestor’ and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with ‘retro-engineering’ to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats, explosive new study claims.

An explosive new study claims that Chinese scientists created COVID-19 in a Wuhan lab, then tried to cover their tracks by reverse-engineering versions of the virus to make it look like it evolved naturally from bats.
The paper’s authors, British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen, wrote that they have had ‘prima facie evidence of retro-engineering in China’ for a year – but were ignored by academics and major journals.
Dalgleish is a professor of oncology at St George’s University, London, and is best known for his breakthrough creating the first working ‘HIV vaccine’, to treat diagnosed patients and allow them to go off medication for months.
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June 3, 2021 10:13am
RiP NZ

Anyone still think Fauci is an expert?
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June 3, 2021 10:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Expert hoodwinker. Smart too, as he reputedly has financial interests in a lot of patents and even in viruses, which they patent so they have control over rights to use the virus to provide remedies. Neat: make virus in own lab, patent, charge pharma for virus to make vaccine.
  
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  June 3, 2021 11:49am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GizjcIiIrdI

US Publick Edermacation Shrinking.

With the lockdowns, a lot of parents got into the habit of Home Schooling.
A lot have kept it up. School Choice has surged to 71%. In the last poll, 71% of Americans didn’t agree Elvis was dead. There are several school choice options. More are sought
Across the political divide. People who move from blue states to red states vote red.
[10:56]
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June 3, 2021 10:14am
Fletch

The Biden Administration being institutionally racist against white people. It seems to be a theme now, more than ever, that white man bad.

A federal appellate court on Thursday invalidated the racial and gender preferences in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan Act as unconstitutional. The Cincinnati-based Sixth Circuit of Appeals ruled that provisions of that law, designed to grant preferences to minority-owned small-restaurant owners for COVID relief, violate the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection under the law

The specific provision struck down was part of the law’s $29 billion Restaurant Revitalization Fund grant program for small, privately owned restaurants struggling to meet payroll and rent due to the COVID crisis. The law, which was passed almost entirely by a party-line vote in March, grants priority status to restaurants that have 51% ownership or more composed of specific racial and ethnic groups as well as women. By effectively relegating struggling businesses owned by white males or ethnicities and nationalities excluded from a priority designation “to the back of the line,” the COVID relief program, ruled the court by a 2-1 decision, ran afoul of core constitutional guarantees.

[…] under SBA regulations, a person is deemed “socially and economically disadvantaged” if they are “black, Hispanic, or Native American.” They are deemed presumptively disadvantaged as “Asian Pacific Americans” only “if they have origins from Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei, Japan, China (including Hong Kong), Taiwan, Laos, Cambodia (Kampuchea), Vietnam, Korea, the Philippines, U.S. Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (Republic of Palau), Republic of the Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, Samoa, Macao, Fiji, Tonga, Kiribati, Tuvalu, or Nauru.” Meanwhile, for a person to qualify as “Subcontinent Asian Americans,” they “must have origins from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, the Maldives Islands, or Nepal.”

If a person is in one or more of those groups, they are deemed presumptively disadvantaged — and thus entitled to priority grant allocation — unless “someone comes forward” with “credible evidence to the contrary.” But if someone is not in one of those groups — not just if they are white or male but also from any of the countries excluded from the preferred designations — then they can qualify only if they “prove they have experienced racial or ethnic discrimination or cultural bias by a preponderance of the evidence,” a process filled with lengthy delay and red tape.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/appellate-court-strikes-down-racial

Just imagine having to sit down and work all that out, based on the race of an applicant? This is Joe Biden’s America.
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June 3, 2021 10:31am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  Non-Whites weren’t disadvantaged in the initial Covid relief because of their race, they received less or missed out entirely simply because they applied too late. Whites generally applied on time, so benefitted more from the Federal money. There may well have been a racial factor here, but it wasn’t a Trump admin’s governmentally mandated racial factor. However, in contrast, the Biden admin’s policy is explicitly race-based.
  
  Now, to “rectify” the above disparity of outcome, they are explicitly prioritising “socially and economically disadvantaged” groups (which for the reasons given above, missed out due to their own inaction) in terms of the current applications. In short, if you are a White male business owner, tough luck, you’ve missed out, we gave it all to Blacks and Hispanics. Ironically, this makes Whites actually systemically disadvantaged solely due to their race, whereas non-Whites had disadvantaged themselves.
  
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  June 3, 2021 12:37pm
Rusty

So some of the experts are telling us that a person can catch covid by rubbing against another persons shoulder in public.

What about your shoes– couldn’t someone catch it that way and infect countless numbers of people at your job, public places, and your home?

Is their going to be a time where we will have to wear disposable clothing and footwear as well as masks?

And 500-1000 Kiwis die every year from the common flu and our govt/ health officials don’t seem to be concerned over that!

If anyone thinks NZ wont have anymore lock downs they are being naive.

Just wait for the new excuses about covid from our govt in the near future.

*Its tricky and mutates blah.. blah..

*There’s are a new Russian, Japanese etc, strain more deadly blah..blah.

*We have taken the unprecedented step of making the covid vaccine jab compulsory and any person refusing it will be jailed blah..blah..
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June 3, 2021 10:44am
Jack5

Anyone know what’s going on with fixed-line phones? Are the telecom providers trying to confuse us?

PR types have been on TV recently talking about an end to fixed line services, yet the Commerce Commission says on its site:

Before Chorus (the line provider) can stop offering certain copper services, the Commission will develop safeguards to protect consumers, including ensuring:

– Your copper landline and internet connection CANNOT be taken away until an equivalent fibre service is readily available at NO additional cost
vulnerable consumers have an appropriate way of contacting 111 in the event of a power cut as landlines provided by a fibre connection may not work.

The capital letters are the Commission’s.

Like many or most Kiwibloggers I have cellphone, fibre broadband, and a “line” phone (through the fibre – the copper line on the pole in the street doesn’t have any users among my neighbours).

The attraction of the “line” phone for me is the cheap pricing on overseas calls.

Many people in rural or semi-rural areas still rely on copper line phones, and in cities, especially hill cities like Dunedin, there will be pockets without cellphone coverage though these folk will probably have fibre access.

The PR’s TV interviews on the topic don’t distinguish between “line” phones that use the fibre network (they still have a number they can list in the directory if they wish and call other non-cellphone numbers free of charge), and those, like some in rural areas, that are still stuck on copper lines.

Why would telecom companies stop providing “line” phone access over fibre?
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June 3, 2021 10:57am
- H. Upmann
  
  Stop panicking Jack.
  You have answered your own question – “I have cellphone, fibre broadband, and a “line” phone (through the fibre – the copper line on the pole in the street doesn’t have any users among my neighbours).”
  You use voice over internet (VOIP) on your fibre service. Your telephone is no different than the router you use to connect to the internet, it is just plugged into you fibre connection unit (ONT). So long as you have fibre you will have voice.
  “Why would telecom companies stop providing “line” phone access over fibre?” Where does it say that? The information you are reading is about the eventual closing of copper services and that is a long way off yet, particularly in rural communities.
  
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  June 3, 2021 1:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    I wasn’t confused by something I read. It was a TV interview with a telecommunications “expert”.
    
    I’m happy with my set-up, but don’t like the idea of big (on the NZ scale) companies bossing consumers.
    
    It will take some education for us oldies with fibre to stop thinking of our “line” phone and think of it as the “VOIP phone” (in contrast to the cellphone). “Fibre phone” would be easier, but I notice some technical types call it a “corded phone”.
    
    Thank you for your helpful information, H. Upmann, and you, too, Fuzzysnuggleduck. Presumably, the wireless replacement you mention is a second optional replacement for the old “line phone”: from copper to fibre OR to wireless.
    
    In Christchurch, our copper-line phone worked during the earthquake while electricity was cut and cellphones were under pressure. I understand they have their own low current power on the copper lines.
    
    My fibre router needs power, so if the power is cut, my corded phone will be out.
    
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    June 3, 2021 2:22pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Copper works during events where there is a power outage since there are batteries built into the system at points like the roadside cabinets or exchanges. Copper is not dependent on the powered network devices on the customer end such as fibre or wireless – those boxes with flashing lights and such.
      If someone has a health issue then they should look at battery options for their household as well, as this can keep powering the customer end equipment (ONT or RGW) while generators are running on the network provider end.
      Even the copper network batteries will fail after several hours potentially, but since the old cord phones on copper (not-hands free type) dont require powering; you have correctly noted that they keep working in an emergency, for a while at least.
      
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      June 3, 2021 4:47pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Some of the retail service providers (Voda and Spark for instance) are sailing close to the wind on their messaging around ‘fixed lines’ supposedly ending to try and get people to move to an (inferior) wireless service.
  If you can link to whatever comms you have from a provider which is confusing you, then I have been told the head of the Commerce Commission is interested in examples, and is not too happy about misleading information being shared
  – Any example I can pass on.
  
  Basically, it is a continuation of Teresa Gattung’s {Telecom} ‘confusion as a marketing tool’ by Retail providers who dont have the customers best interests at heart, just their maximum profit.
  
  But as you have from the Comm Comm site: you won’t ever lose your fibre land line (VOIP phone).
  Even those on old copper networks are only able to be withdrawn from the copper network if there is a fibre optic fixed cable option available to connect at no extra cost. One thing that IS happening is that where the government (National) rolled out UFB, and fibre passes the premises, that in some areas the last few people using copper may need to move onto either fixed fibre, or a Wireless option.
  Fixed fibre cable is superior to shared bandwidth on wireless networks however, so don’t let the retail service provider fool you.
  
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  June 3, 2021 1:28pm
  - marcw
    
    The retailers are simply trying to avoid paying the fixed fee Chorus charge. Using their wireless service avoids the Chorus infrastructure.
    
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    June 3, 2021 1:48pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Yes, lower price for them to offer a service/greater profit. But it depends what the customer needs, since Wireless has issues around bandwidth, peak times/lag.
      As long as they are clear around there being is difference it is fine to provide options.
      The aspect that the Comm Comm has taken an interest in is the marketing of Wireless (the more profitable option for them) and whether they are telling existing fixed cable customers (falsely) that the fixed cable network is being turned off in their area.
      
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      June 3, 2021 4:40pm
- RiP NZ
  
  Hi Jack.
  There are two discreet technology transitions / withdrawals in play – which can get mixed up in translation and understandably confusing.
  Spark are withdrawing their PSTN services – the old Neax switches which deliver Plain Old Telephone Services ( think Spot the Dog, call waiting etc.) You could still have services delivered over the Wholesale copper line ( a Chorus product) – but not a Spark Neax based one, so an IP Telephone running on ADSL for example.
  
  In parallel but at a much smaller scale, Chorus are at the very early stages of copper shutdown, issuing intent to withdraw copper wholesale service in areas with high Fibre uptake – regulated notice period of 6 months and at this point, < 1% of the network is identified.
  
  Hope that helps.
  
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  June 3, 2021 1:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    Yes, thank you RiPNZ.
    
    That is helpful.
    
    They should have interviewed you!
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:45pm
- rangitoto
  
  Fibre doesn’t work if you lose power. The old copper line phone is powered at the Telco end and is usually a lot more resilient to power cuts and carries on working after your cell phone or the local cell site batteries have gone flat. A lot of people in Christchurch learned that in the quakes.
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:20pm
MCos

Tweet of the day
https://twitter.com/sethamandel/status/1400201553017982978?s=21
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June 3, 2021 11:01am
Fletch

Oh dear. New emails show Fauci was likely up to his eyeballs in the Covid funding thing….

Emails show Dr. Anthony Fauci scrambled February 1, 2020, to determine if the United States had any potential role in funding coronavirus research “abroad.”

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/06/02/emails-show-anthony-fauci-scrambled-at-beginning-of-pandemic-to-determine-potential-u-s-role-in-funding-coronavirus-research-abroad/
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June 3, 2021 11:11am
oldfella

Maggie, if you haven’t seen it, keep an eye out for the outstanding Israeli series ‘Fauda’ on Netflix.
Tough, gritty, and a must-watch once you get hooked into it.
Even the left New York Times loved it, as did Rotten Tomatoes.
Series 4 is now in production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fauda
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June 3, 2021 11:14am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Does it have sub-titles?
  It’s just I tend to miss most of the action while I’m reading them.
  
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  June 3, 2021 12:52pm
  - oldfella
    
    Maggie, agree about subtitles. Good news is that with ‘Fauda’ English dialogue can be selected as an option.
    The only catch is when the Israeli actors are speaking Hebrew (most of the dialogue) it’s dubbed into English. But when anyone is speaking in Arabic, it’s subtitled.
    It makes sense when you see it done.
    
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    June 3, 2021 5:41pm
oldfella

Karl du Fresne asks a great question in his latest post: Can we now expect Chloe Swarbrick to vote against the “Safe Areas” Bill?
http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/06/can-we-now-expect-chloe-swarbrick-to.html
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June 3, 2021 11:16am
Juliet2554

Fauci is in a whole lot of trouble!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9645787/Emails-Fauci-warned-COVID-engineered-start-pandemic.html

How long until he is arrested?
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June 3, 2021 11:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fauci has immunity from arrest.
  
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  June 3, 2021 11:51am
  - Juliet2554
    
    absolutely does not. He is their scapegoat
    
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    June 3, 2021 2:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Right after investigations are completed into Hilary Clinton’s emails, Benghazi, the death of Vince Foster, and Uranium One…
  
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  June 3, 2021 12:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    For a man who is so keen to criticise “whataboutism” you sure use it a lot.
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:55pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    Russia Gate/ Obama Gate. Election Fraud. I know.
    
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    June 3, 2021 2:50pm
krazykiwi

@Jack5, we had a conversation yesterday about Ivermectin. Have a look at this: Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 56 studies.

❶ 97% of 37 early treatment and prophylaxis studies report positive effects (95% of all 56 studies). 26 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation.

❷ Random effects meta-analysis with pooled effects using the most serious outcome reported shows 78% and 85% improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.22 [0.12-0.39] and 0.15 [0.09-0.25]). Results are similar after exclusion based sensitivity analysis: 80% and 87% (RR 0.20 [0.14-0.28] and 0.13 [0.07-0.25]), and after restriction to 31 peer-reviewed studies: 80% and 88% (RR 0.20 [0.12-0.34] and 0.12 [0.05-0.30]).

❸ 81% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.19 [0.07-0.54] and 0.04 [0.00-0.58]). Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, ventilation, hospitalization, cases, and viral clearance.

❹100% of the 17 Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs) for early treatment and prophylaxis report positive effects, with an estimated improvement of 73% and 83% respectively (RR 0.27 [0.18-0.41] and 0.17 [0.05-0.61]), and 93% of all 28 RCTs.
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June 3, 2021 11:52am
- Ruawai
  
  Can you buy this drug without a prescription?
  
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  June 3, 2021 1:36pm
KevO'Brien

There’s more, now they are ganging up on meat producers. The Top Dogs know what is best for you:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/bill-gates-jeff-bezos-google-want-you-to-eat-lab-grown-meat/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=677fa3a5-ec22-4dc2-89eb-db4c38c6eb0d
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June 3, 2021 11:53am
- JackRabbit
  
  And humans become incubation chambers for whatever “finds its way” into the lab grown meat.
  
  Gates’ Microsoft can’t stop security breaches on any Cloud products. The last Polio vaccine he funded created more cases of Polio than the Polio virus it was designed to cure – according to WHO. And now you would trust him with an artificial construct you put in your body?
  
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  June 3, 2021 12:19pm
  - kevn
    
    @JackR… Indeed. Strange that Bill Gates is the biggest farm/landowner in the USA, but is pushing lab grown meat.
    I think he is a dangerous critter.
    
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    June 3, 2021 12:44pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…

Strange isn’t it, whenever they release Bodycam footage of a knife-wielding crim yelling to a pursuing cop, “Shoot me! Shoot me!” …..how they never say “Thank you” when he does.

https://youtu.be/3sEUmCpJC-o
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June 3, 2021 11:55am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Interesting to note both the police officers were black, and the offender was white.
  Justified shooting IMO, in the USA context “Ask, Tell, Make” law enforcement context at least.
  However, if reversed races then could still have a social media meltdown regardless. The police only tried to use the taser once, and he could have waited for backup, didn’t need to shoot/no immediate threat, etc. etc.
  In NZ they would keep talking and talking until the offender got sleepy.
  Kind of think that unless you drop your weapon in a heartbeat then the consequences are 100% on you.
  
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  June 3, 2021 1:38pm
JackRabbit

Dr Ashley Bloomfield now knows what many doctors and some of us have known for a long time

That Covd-19 , as a virus that can be airborne and pickup up by air currents, and live outside of the body for some time, is capable of infecting people that share the same air.

While it was not possible to conclude with certainty what had happened, it found Case A (a cleaner) and the index case were most likely linked via aerosol transmission in a hallway.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300323860/covid19-aerosol-transmission-considered-most-likely-cause-of-two-earlier-auckland-miq-breaches

Who would have thought that an infectious virus capable of entering moving air might infect someone else that breathes that air.

Seriously? Did they really think that because they labelled a hotel “Managed Isolation Quarantine” that the laws of nature would automatically bend to provide viral isolation even when they failed to so?

Even when the volatile nature of the virus demanded daily pulpit sermons telling us how transmissible, sneaky, cunning and adaptable Covid-19 was?

Did Ashley think those daily sermons were actually political broadcasts for Jacinda disguised as Covid-19 broadcasts and that Covid-19 did not present the transmissible risk they were telling us it was? And now Ashley is aware that that Covid-19 IS as transmissible as he said it was?

I understand a number of Doctors and specialists tried to point out the weakness of MIQ being in shared air hotels, but the powers that be didn’t want to know.
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June 3, 2021 12:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “but the powers that be didn’t want to know”
  
  Because this isn’t about truth. It’s about perception manipulated for personal gain.
  
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  June 3, 2021 12:46pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

David Garrett triggered by ‘NewsCom’ tweet…..

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1400243331733417985

😀
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June 3, 2021 12:42pm
graham

Say it with me – the most open and transparent Government ever.

New Zealand in talks to take in asylum seekers from Australia under longstanding offer

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-in-talks-to-take-in-asylum-seekers-from-australia-under-longstanding-offer/IDGSBNNMYCNVFYZHUJLCKFLOSQ/

New Zealand is in talks to receive asylum seekers held in limbo in Australia after they have received medical treatment.

So which of our ministers has held a media conference about this? Might it even have been our beloved Prime Minister herself?

Ah … no.

Australian Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews confirmed on Wednesday she was working with her New Zealand counterparts to resettle asylum seekers who had been medically evacuated to Australia.

It is understood they would come to New Zealand under the longstanding offer to resettle 150 refugees a year.

But the New Zealand Government is continuing to stay tight-lipped on any agreement – a spokesman only acknowledging: “New Zealand’s offer to resettle refugees subject to Australia’s regional processing arrangements still stands.”
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June 3, 2021 12:45pm
- septic skeptic
  
  John Key will be ever so pleased, it was his idea originally.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:56pm
oldfella

I’m so relieved that someone as unbiased as Meng Foon is convinced that He Puapua is okay and we have nothing to fear. Phew. That’s so good to know.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/03-06-2021/nothing-to-fear-why-the-human-rights-commission-is-backing-he-puapua/
Now I guess we can get back to worrying about the really important stuff, like will it rain on Cindy’s wedding day?
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June 3, 2021 12:46pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  As a former Gisborne Mayor you can guarantee he believes he can arrange good weather.
  
  I really wish these muppets would allow us to think for ourselves. Many of us do, of course, but many more have become – entirely due to fear – a mixture of compliant and complicit.
  
  There are others though, that not only purposefully use legislation to promote divisive, separatist legislation for which they have no mandate. It was not campaigned on to any degree within 1,000 kms of what they now propose.
  
  Such wide-ranging and damaging legislation cannot be rushed through as part of the most radical political agenda in our lifetimes. It is but a matter of time before the first “hate speech” prosecution is before the courts.
  
  Labour have realised they’ll never ever have a better chance to implement their radical agenda than when they have an absolute majority. It’s now or never, they won’t be able to govern alone for several cycles, and she’ll be at the UN by then. Maybe even the first female Secretary General?
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:12pm
oldfella

Is this what they mean by the Indian Variant?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/bride-dies-of-heart-attack-at-her-wedding-in-india-so-groom-marries-sister-instead/MITTWJ5GLA2K4I2HT4ACGDTEOI/
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June 3, 2021 12:54pm
- MCos
  
  An Indian friend of mine in Wellington had his bride organised for him in India by his family. He went over there, but came back with her sister.
  His parents had been in NZ for about thirty years, but his mum couldn’t speak English. All their mates were fellow Indians.
  It was the same for the expats I knew in Bangkok. Most of their mates were also expats.
  
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  June 3, 2021 5:07pm
Nickc2

Everything you wanted to know about the Alphabet People but was afraid to ask.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/06/now-boys-and-girls-the-guide-for-us-schools-journalists-police-etc-on-why-youre-not-boys-or-girls.html
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June 3, 2021 1:04pm
Maggie Pie

There’s a joke about two Chinamen meeting in the street….

“How are you?”

“I can’t complain”

https://twitter.com/rthk_enews/status/1399892127178366977
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June 3, 2021 1:31pm
- Keith White
  
  When I was working in Singapore a common saying was – “Yes! we have freedom of speech. We just don’t always have freedom after speech.”
  
  Far, far worse in mainland China and Hong Kong…
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:36pm
cmm

While this guy deserves to get the book thrown at him for riding his bike at around 200kph on our roads, I think charging him with manslaughter is a step too far.

They were out riding together playing cat and mouse games and his mate lost control and killed himself.

His mate that killed himself by entering a corner at an estimated 240kph chose the action for himself. The accused might have egged him on a bit, but it was the victim’s own choices that lead to the death.

To me this smacks of “he made me do it” which has never really been an acceptable standard.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/invercargill-motorcyclist-who-drove-at-192kmh-before-fatal-crash-avoids-jail/2HNX2JK557Z7CNUHXCLDXIKUYI/
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June 3, 2021 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum txt….

Bill and Melinda go to a Marriage Counsellor.

Counsellor: “Mrs Gates. How would you describe your love life?”

Melinda: “Micro and soft”

LOL!!!
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June 3, 2021 2:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

THE GEORGIA RESULTS ARE ABOUT TO BE UNCERTIFIED!
TDS ones can go to the basement so you don’t get triggered.
https://threepercenternation.com/2021/06/02/the-georgia-results-are-about-to-be-uncertified/?
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June 3, 2021 2:30pm
- Juliet2554
  
  I didnt know that. I thought they were still fighting for a forensic audit? Pennsylvania forensic audit will be next.
  
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  June 3, 2021 2:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Depends if you watch CNN or other fake news or not.
    Includes play school TV1 network news.
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  TRUMP WON!.
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:24pm
  - Mike
    
    Has Q advised a new date for the faithful to believe Trump will be restored to office?
    
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    June 3, 2021 4:26pm
    - Batman
      
      Well Mike Lindell’s Qpolooza is coming up and he seems to have plenty of theories. He’s even got a jumbotron appearance from Trump lined up.
      
      Maybe it’ll be like Marjorie’s speech over the weekend where they all chanted “we love Trump!” Which is not at all creepy…
      
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      June 3, 2021 5:57pm
nathie

So, if your children are for example (full or part) Indian, Samoan, Tongan, or Chinese New Zealander’s …. then the Labour Party of Aotearoa do not want your kids to learn a second language option.

Labour have killed of National’s/Paul Goldsmith’s members’ bill that would have allowed for up to 10 optional languages to be taught.

Note the outright lies and spin from Labour, the Ministry of (Aotearoa) Education and their supporters – they deceitfully claim that:

They were concerned that the bill might undermine the status of te reo Māori because schools would be able to choose a priority language that was not te reo Māori,”

However if one reads the article National were not suggesting anything like that, the article states:

The bill … would enable the Minister of Education to set a priority list of 10 languages, which schools would be forced to pick from and then offer as subjects. The priority list would have to include te reo Māori and New Zealand Sign Language.

So Labour & the Ministry of Education lied – National were ensuring that te reo Maori (and Sign Language) would have to be included in the list of 10 optional languages.

So in conclusion, Labour continue to be in collusion with Maori separatists, radicals and “brown” supremacists, denying other people’s cultures and languages (that reflect modern NZ society) in order to enforce their Maori supremacy outlook.

Bet you the rest of the MSM won’t even mention any of this (i.e. tv and radio). They will be too chicken to ask Ardern (or will unquestionably and uncritically accept her spin if they do).

It’s amazing to think Labour can be polling so high, as here is yet another example of how Labour “looks down” on people (and thus many of their own supporters) that are more open to other cultures and languages.

I hope these other cultures take note that Labour does not actually care for them, but simply use them to gain power!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300324163/government-kills-off-second-language-education-bill-after-worries-it-would-breach-treaty-of-waitangi
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June 3, 2021 2:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chur, e hoa.
  Ten are coy
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Eish
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:25pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Any law that says our children have to learn a dead, stone-age language should be resisted with all possible resources. Likewise, any law that prevents schools from offering lessons in any of the many vibrant, living, useful languages should equally be resisted at all costs.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:28pm
Yabster

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300324163/government-kills-off-second-language-education-bill-after-worries-it-would-breach-treaty-of-waitangi

this bit is especially good:
“Numerous organisations commented on how the bill could affect the teaching and learning of te reo Māori. They were concerned that the bill might undermine the status of te reo Māori because schools would be able to choose a priority language that was not te reo Māori,” the majority wrote.

God forbid people get to choose… democracy goes bye bye…
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June 3, 2021 2:40pm
- cmm
  
  If you have to learn a second language, do it at home. Get out library books etc, watch videos and find online resources.
  
  In 10 years you might even have to do the same if you want to learn English.
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:10pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING

Just heard them say the Jury have retired to consider the verdict on the 3 Hawera cops charged with manslaughter, after a man died in the cells.

As my partner said when he first heard of the charges…”FFS!”
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June 3, 2021 2:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  NOT GUILTY 😀
  
  Who’s idea was it it put them all through this shite in the first place?
  
  The whole place has become a ‘sick joke’ for the guys & gals that put on the uniform.
  
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  June 3, 2021 5:16pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    My sister-in-law was on the jury. They really had to work hard to stretch the “deliberations” out to 3 hours.
    
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    June 3, 2021 8:23pm
Jack5

Radio NZ’s web site got it right when it described a Maori knowledge authority interviewed on last Saturday’s morning radio show.

It described Matua Rereata Makiha as a renowned Maori astrologer and a leading authority on the Maori lunar calendar.

Makiha talked about the need for Maori knowledge to be taught in schools. He said he spent eight years learning the knowledge.

He believes tohunga should keep their place as guides, protecting and overseeing the teaching. He opposes the Ministry of Education developing their own curriculum using the knowledge. “Because they’ll always get it wrong.”

His approach would include computer learning of Maori knowledge.

Navigation would be one of the first Maori subjects.
Here’s Makiha:

“One of the sad things, of course, is that we grew up with the Ministry of Education teaching us the history of Scott and Amundsen making it to the South Pole – or nearly to the South Pole, not realising that over 1000 years before that our tupuna [ancestor] Tangiia… had actually sailed to the South Pole and had gone back to report to his elders that there was no land to the south, but what they came across were islands of white coral floating in the sea that was cold to the touch …

“We were never told those stories, even though they pre-date Scott and Amundsen by over 1000 years, and that’s the sad part about allowing the Ministry of Education to lead these discussions. ”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018797494/rereata-makiha-recapturing-ancient-knowledge-a-language-on-how-to-understand-the-world
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June 3, 2021 2:56pm
- cmm
  
  “not realising that over 1000 years before that our tupuna [ancestor] Tangiia… had actually sailed to the South Pole”
  
  Bloody hell. Amazing effort of seamanship. The South Pole is approx 2,800 m above sea level.
  
  Does anyone know if they also managed to sail to to the top of Mount Cook?
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That would be Maunga Aoraki thankyou; and the evidence of sailing there is being manufactured as we speak
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:29pm
- Ehlana
  
  I thought Antarctica did have land and it was the Arctic that didn’t?
  
  Sounds like the ancestor sailed far enough south to encounter icebergs, then (wisely) turned round and came home.
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All those rocks float on the ice
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Further, if the Artic melted, sea levels would not get higher. It is called ‘displacement’ but so is lack of knowledge in a climate wanker’s brain
    
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    June 3, 2021 3:32pm
    - cha
      
      And the billions of tonnes contained in ice sheets above sea level?
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Seen it. Ice shelves in Alaska.
        Also seen the lies told about Exit Glacier in Seward, Alaska – been twice.
        Exiting way before the industrial revolution, but hey, that is what we don’t publish
        
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        June 3, 2021 4:23pm
    - Keith White
      
      I do wonder if towards the end of their sad and useless lives, all crims, most pols, all welfare kings and queens, the entire species of race-baiters and serial troughers, and sundry others of their thieving ilk, actually look inside themselves and realize their innate loathesomeness and the wastes they made of their lives – and the other lives they helped to ruin.
      
      In the ICU and ER some do utter such sentiments.
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:52pm
      - Keith White
        
        Ah BM, ticking in I see…
        
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        June 3, 2021 6:13pm
    - Jack5
      
      A part-Maori was indeed the first New Zaelander to see Antarctica – but then he became an Aussie.
      
      This is from the Government’s history site:
      
      Tuati – first NZer to view Antarctica
      
      Tuati was probably the first New Zealander to view the coast of Antarctica, in 1840. He was part of the United States Exploring Expedition, which explored the southern oceans between 1838 and 1842. The expedition, led by Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, notably provided the first evidence that Antarctica was a continent.
      
      Tuati, also referred to by his European name, John Sac, was the son of whaler and sealer Captain William Stewart (after whom Stewart Island is named), and his Ngapuhi wife. He arrived in the United States on board a whaling ship in the mid-1830s, joining Wilkes’ expedition in 1838.
      
      Tuati worked as a seaman but also accompanied Wilkes as his interpreter when the expedition stopped in French Polynesia. Wilkes wrote of ‘Tuatti’ in his detailed narrative of the expedition, Narrative of the United States Exploring Expedition, commenting that he ‘was an excellent sailor, a very good fellow’.
      
      Tuati left the expedition in the Hawaiian Islands in October 1840, on the expiration of his term of enlistment. He subsequently migrated to Australia with his father and younger brother.
      
      The web site also notes:
      
      Hui Te Rangiora
      
      Maori tradition suggests that a Polynesian chief by the name of Hui Te Rangiora may have been the first person to see Antarctica. He is said to have encountered the icebergs of Antarctica in 650 AD during a voyage south of New Zealand.
      
      Nothing there about sailing to the pole.
      
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      June 3, 2021 3:58pm
      - cmm
        
        But it’s Makiha’s truth. Everyone is entitled to their own truth and it is racist to say otherwise.
        
        If he saw icebergs that’s not quite the same as seeing Antarctica. A few years ago icebergs were seen off Dunners. Going south to the sub-Antarctic islands would make them far more common.
        
        Auckland Island is only 500km from Shaddytown and there’s another 2000 km to go before hitting Antarctica.
        
        Hence it’s quite a big ask to believe that he really got to Antarctica – let alone the South Pole.
        
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        June 3, 2021 4:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @CCM,
        many years ago Radio Hauraki reported an iceberg coming into Auckland Harbour. This was during a fuel shortage, but many drove to see it. Even as far away as Hamilton.
        Kevin Black got the stupid bastards a beauty on April 1
        
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        June 3, 2021 4:44pm
- rangitoto
  
  Actually Maori lost the ocean going navigation knowledge of their ancestors. It was retained in the Polynesian Islands to the North.
  
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  June 3, 2021 3:51pm
cha

“I think will be the hottest ticket in social media, it’s going to completely redefine the game”

– Jason Miller

Aww…

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-blog-page-shuts-down-month-after-launch-2021-06-02/
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June 3, 2021 3:52pm
- Mike
  
  Ha ha.
  Perhaps he could start an alternative to Twitter. Could be as successful as Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump University, etc, etc.
  
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  June 3, 2021 4:31pm
  - Keith White
    
    So Mike-O, what major power were you successfully voted to be the President of? With BM as your VP no doubt.
    
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    June 3, 2021 6:12pm
    - Mike
      
      I’ve never been defeated by Joe Biden, either.
      
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      June 3, 2021 6:35pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Don’t stand, don’t fail.
        
        Still makes you a loser IMHO.
        
        After all, you’re a billionaire aren’t you ……..
        
        Two accounts with Kiwiblog …… winner winner chicken dinner ……
        
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        June 3, 2021 10:59pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  29 days. Sounds like “Done in 30”?
  
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  June 3, 2021 5:31pm
lifesgood

People are crowing on the internet that Jacinda is letting those notorious mana Island queue jumpers into NZ. Is this true?
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June 3, 2021 8:01pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Maybe this was the quid pro quo for joining Oz in the denouncement of China.
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:43pm
- graham
  
  It would appear to be so, as I wrote a little way up the page:
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/06/general_debate_03_june_2021.html/comment-page-1#comment-2951053
  
  But our most Open and Transparent Government ever ™ seems reluctant to talk about it – this news has actually come from the Australian Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews!
  
  While a spokesman for the New Zealand Government merely says “Our offer still stands.”
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  She’s trying ……
  
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  June 3, 2021 10:36pm
Loddenthinks

Well you could have knocked me down with a feather! The Herald actually publishing an opinion piece denouncing the IOC’s ridiculous decision to allow Mr L Hubbard to compete in weightlifting at the Olympics.

Lorraine correctly (and bravely, in the current climate of woke hysteria) points out some obvious and incontrovertible facts, such as “Now we have suddenly this whole issue of men who identify as women wanting to be included in the women’s category, and I find that very concerning and it seems that there’s a possibility of derailing the very thing that we fought for because men have considerable advantage across the board.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/tokyo-olympics-kiwi-medallist-lorraine-moller-says-inclusion-of-transgender-athletes-at-games-derails-womens-sport/UJZMLCP56LQILO7JX2SANUEIVE/
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June 3, 2021 8:03pm
- graham
  
  Thanks for drawing attention to that Loddenthinks.
  
  As you rightly say, people have to be pretty brave to speak out against this issue in the current climate, but they are starting to. Lorraine Moller joins Anna Van Bellinghen, who would be competing against Laurel Hubbard.
  
  The article mentions a petition which is organised by Save Women’s Sport – I urge people to visit their website and sign.
  
  https://www.savewomenssport.com/
  
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  June 3, 2021 8:40pm
greybeard

Our South African Black Caps are going great guns !
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