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krazykiwi

Here is an exemplary TDS masterpiece from The Guardian.

Nine months after the election he comprehensively lost, the spectre of Donald Trump – darkly menacing, subversive and apparently immune from prosecution – continues to cast a shadow over US democracy and America’s global standing, distorting policy and poisoning political life. How can this be? Why is this horror movie still running?

Trumpism, like other fascist variants, is a disease, a blight – a noxious far-right populist-nationalist miasma that taints and rots all it touches. Older Europeans share a folk memory of fascism. But too many Americans just don’t get it. The will to stamp out this sickness before it returns in more virulent form is alarmingly lacking.

This lyrical shock-prose continues unabated, and in a manner that suggests the author writes while engaged in some form of Astral Projection.

The TDS faithful, our very own Batman included, will be crying out in ecstasy while reaching for handfuls of fresh tissues.
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August 10, 2021 8:00am
- Muttonbird
  
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  You lost, we won. Deal with it.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:01am
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, “we” ?
    pathetic…
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:28am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Not quite the point, Mutton. The msm are the ones who simply can’t move on and ‘deal with it’.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:30am
  - Simon
    
    Lol – Mutton bird take your warp speed ro vax like a good wee fellow.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:30am
  - Littletramp
    
    You did win. You stood in the broad daylight, blatantly cheated about half of the USA population and said “what are you going to do about it!”
    May not end well.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:53am
    - Batman
      
      Still yet to see any real evidence of this blatant cheating, other than idiots thinking they can read meaningless code, or people making a buck off said idiots.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:56am
    - doggone7
      
      We see the stuff like ‘TDS’ and we see stuff like
      ‘blatantly cheated about half of the USA population.’
      
      I’d love an explanation about the ‘half.’ (I would have thought if half were cheated the whole country would have been cheated.)
      
      67% (or so) voted in the Presidential election. Trump got 46.8% of the 67%. I reckon about 32% of the eligible voters wanted him. So who is the half of the USA population blatantly cheated?
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:30pm
  - harvey wilson
    
    Muttonbird have you remembered to book a MIQ spot for Bill Cosby to speak at next years labour youth camp ?
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:35am
  - dcrane
    
    Nice Trump imitation, Mutton
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:59am
  - I remember when
    
    Power to the people.
    Oh No. Sorry it’s a bit cold so we have run out of that.
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:50pm
- Scott
  
  Unfortunately Krazy kiwi this is where journalism has gone. Serving up plates of Trump derangement to far left readers hoping they will continue to subscribe. There is no objectivity or balance anymore.
  The other factor is they need the support of rich billionaires so they mindlessly parrot the globalist agenda – Trump bad, Biden good!
  
  Biden forgets how many people live in the country he is president of? Media – move on, nothing to see here.
  Trump uses his own hotel to host a fundraiser? SHOCKING BEHAVIOUR!!
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:09am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Trump wasn’t as bad as many people said, but the refusal of the Republican party to accept the loss and move on, is only helping the Democrats.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:59am
  - tf78
    
    Nigel, they did not lose the election – it was stolen.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:43am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Nigel, not so sure about the last part of your comments. I have a long enough memory to recall a certain Hillary Clinton and the Democrats who cried foul over the 2016 election for 4 years. And Clinton is still wailing to this day. It doesn’t appear to have done them any harm having won both Congress and the Senate.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:45am
    - Batman
      
      Vino: Paul Manafort quite literally gave Russian intelligence services polling data which was used as part of a foreign campaign of disinformation.
      
      That is a fact.
      
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      August 10, 2021 12:12pm
  - dcrane
    
    The Republicans – the establishment GOP anyway – assisted in giving Trump the boot. Figures like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, and Bill Barr were playing both sides.
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:01am
- surfing
  
  Your link is broken.
  
  This sounds like an opinion from a hardcore leftie caught up in their emotions.
  
  I enjoy opinion pieces, gives you an insight into how others think.
  
  This writer has no understanding about why people voted for Trump…. probably needs to walk in their shoes a bit.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:21am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sorry –> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/08/gentleman-joe-versus-the-maga-champion-machiavelli-would-die-laughing
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:55am
- Tom Hunter
  
  … like other fascist variants ….
  
  I guess the Guardian writer is not familiar with the restrictions the US constitution places on government, especially on Administrative government, nor how those are being knowingly breached by the President and a branch of government called the CDC which has stepped far outside its boundaries in dealing with the non-eviction legislation enforcement.
  
  Authoritarianism in pure form.
  
  Then there’s the open cooperation between the Administration and private sector companies like Facebook, Twitter et al on restricting speech. That’s actually the textbook definition of Fascism, if the Guardian cared to look.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:30am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, Biden is ignoring the Supreme Court and doing what he wants anyway even though he knows it is not legal.
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:09pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    An Administrative mission creep and self-aggrandizing nomenklatura will always evolve under weak Executive leadership, where the scum, not the cream, will rise to the top.
    
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    August 11, 2021 6:01am
- WaveyDavey
  
  “Your guy’s not doing very well”
  
  “Yeah, but TRUMP!”
  
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  NZ equivalent
  
  “Your gal’s not doing very well”
  
  “Yeah but 9 YEARS”
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:43am
- Batman
  
  What faux intellectual twaddle that was! More proof the Guardian is written by people who masturbate in a mirror…
  
  The writer is correct that Trump is a neo-fascist authoritarian, though that is not surprising to anyone other than his followers.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    And Biden–a nursing home candidate puppet with ??? pulling the strings.
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:32pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Master Batman can’t help but take the bait.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:12am
  - Batman
    
    I thought I was very reasonable, unlike your weird obsession with me.
    
    Am I your Regina George?
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:13pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      What’s weird is your duplicity.
      The fact that you don’t recognise it is proof just how out of touch you are with a blog that allows you to also be a moderator.
      I don’t blame you. I blame the idiots that permit it.
      No one else has such an opportunity.
      If you had any sense of what is appropriate you would decide one way or the other. That you do not is also very telling.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:09pm
- coge
  
  There can be little doubt the US is heading for their own Brexit moment. In the coming years.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:24am
- rouppe
  
  When you look at “populist nationalist” you have to include Ardern, surely?
  
  Definitely populist. And closing borders, tossing out those with pending residency visas, denying families to join them, saying “just hire new Zealanders”, that has to be right down the nationalist end, right?
  
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  August 10, 2021 11:01am
- John Pakes
  
  But the fact remains, TDS is right, the Trump rot remains. The loser still bleats. The Republicans still huddle like sheep.
  
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  August 10, 2021 11:32am
Happychappy

New Zealand – Power ’emergency ‘ leads to outages in the Waikato.
Is this the start of the problems associated with Jacina Ardern’s captains calling the environment and will we have a prolem like ths in years to come, as we were warned this would be a problem for years to come if Labours policy was put in place.
Transpowers New Zealand GM of operations Steven Jay says demand for electricity is at a all time high.
“Insufficient Generation has been made available to meet demand and manage a secure system,” Jay said.
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“As a result, Transpower has asked the distribution Companies to reduce the load at 8.30pm , thousands of properties were affected by the outage on the Wel Networks website, just before 9.00pm Wel Networks released a statement saying power is now back on.”
“Due to insufficient Generation to meet New Zealand electricity load demands , all electricity distribution business were instructed by Transpower earlier this evening ( The National Grid Operator) to reduce the load on our network with immediate effect”.
Wel Network said this was a New Zealand- emergency we have just been authorized to restore power to affected areas.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-wide-power-emergency-leads-outages-in-waikato
I Wonder how long it will take for all those Lovies that idolize our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to get pissed off with this if it happens to often over the next couple of years.
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August 10, 2021 8:00am
- graham
  
  Up here in Rodney we were fine, but even if we had lost power we would cope. Neither my wife nor I would be particularly worried if we couldn’t watch TV for one night, and luckily we have a wood fire to keep us warm and a gas hob to cook on. 🙂 Stick THAT in your electric heatpump and electric stove.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:33am
  - Blackbob
    
    So what are you going to do when there’s no more gas and wood-fires are outlawed? This IS what they’re aiming for..
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Wood fires will be banned soon anyway.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:48am
    - Jimbob
      
      Any government that bans wood fires, would be out the next election. Not going to happen.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:49am
      - Batman
        
        Outside of rural areas and older folks, wood fires that get used a pretty few and far between these days.
        
        It would be about the same electoral impact as banning coal powered steam trains… Only the enthusiast lobby would care at this point.
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:52am
      - dcrane
        
        Would have thought that any govt that said “stay home or we’ll arrest you” without legal authority would have been kicked out next chance. Turns out I was wrong.
        
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        August 10, 2021 11:07am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        I know of a few people in the suburbs using wood fires. Was staying with a mate this weekend, and admiring the heat coming off it, and the pleasure of watching ‘Caveman TV’ with a beer in hand.
        But even if what you said WAS true, does the implication follow that impacts on rural or old people are of no great consequence?
        
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        August 10, 2021 1:19pm
      - Yabster
        
        man you constantly talk about topics that you pretend to know alot about but clearly just make it up Batty- people in Christchurch are putting in low emmission wood burners as I type – and yes that is a “wood fire”
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:05pm
  - Drone
    
    But you couldn’t charge your EV.. /s
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:57am
  - kevn
    
    @graham… Nice for you. Not everyone has the option.
    Maybe it is all the Bitcoin mining?
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:05am
  - BeaB
    
    Great you are okay. Some of us were not.
    With no warning at all, mid-evening, this posed problems and risks for oldies living alone like me and anyone with vulnerable family members.
    My gas doesn’t work without an electric starter. Like many others I went to bed where I could stay warm.
    I just hope people managed to charge their EV’s so they could get to work this morning.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:06am
    - graham
      
      Sorry if I offended you, that wasn’t my intent. My apologies. See my reply to Flossie below about what my comment was intended as.
      
      Re your gas – can’t you light it with a match? My gas hob is electric ignition, but lights just as well if I turn on the gas and light it with a match. Might be worth checking out.
      
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      August 10, 2021 1:19pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      And power cut for a very cold day and frosty evening no less….I am in Hamilton, so we weren’t cut off, but I was running the heat pump AND the gas to warm the house.
      I have been told the government is looking to ban new gas connections in a few years time, so the idea of being in a dark house without any electrically sourced heat does not appeal. Plenty of ice this morning.
      I would like to see urgent action around security of power supply; perhaps they can park the gay conversion therapy bill and find some time to unpick this issue instead?
      
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      August 10, 2021 1:24pm
  - Flossie
    
    What a mean post Graham… talk about I’m alright Jack! Unfortunately for our household we have neither gas nor wood fire, and the rules seem to dictate that we would be unlikely to get either. So anyway, you just continue on being smug up there in Rodney.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:21am
    - graham
      
      My comment was intended mostly as an observation that when the Government start banning wood fires and gas appliances because “they’re BAAAD”, they would be well advised to first make sure that we have a reliable electricity infrastructure. Not start worrying about our electricity supply AFTER they decide to start outlawing any of the alternatives and putting the entire country’s eggs in one basket.
      
      Sorry if I offended any of you, that wasn’t my intent. My apologies.
      
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      August 10, 2021 1:16pm
      - Ruawai
        
        We have wood fires and we love collecting and chopping firewood and live the warmth of a fire, much better than the whirring of a heat pump, and on the odd occasion we get home late and don’t put a fire on we have a diesel burner that heats the radiators. Also planning to get a diesel generator so socialist government won’t affect us.
        
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        August 10, 2021 8:02pm
  - John Pakes
    
    Spot on Graham. It could well be possible as well, that the whingers are share holders in the electricity companies that are putting profits ahead of infrastructure. Hark back to the USA a few weeks back when the same problem, and the same cause, hit the news.
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:36am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘It could well be possible as well’
      
      But more likely not but that doesn’t stop you having a smear.
      Still, makes a change from your Race Baiting
      lol
      
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      August 10, 2021 12:08pm
- G152
  
  First of many.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:33am
- Akitio
  
  It’s all OK the pie warmer at parliament is on an emergency generator!!!!!!!!!!
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:35am
  - Biscuit
    
    Akitio, real panic will only set in at The Beehive when the uplight at St Jacinda’s theatrette lectern won’t work…
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:41am
- Simon
  
  Greta told Transpower the winters were over. No more cold. Climate change zero carbon modelling miserable winters in NZ but death in the third world.
  
  India & China will not tolerate this fake man made climate shit. Cindy & the Gweens will force it down our throats.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:39am
- Paulus
  
  Presumably Cindy will have some other arrangements for when we have more power cuts – which happen in most winters – she will have arrangements for her Taxpayer EV car to continue charging, but tough on other EV car owners with no electricity.
  Where is all this required electricity going to come from – perhaps a cable from Australia ?
  Yea !
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:47am
- emmess
  
  South Africa, here we come
  https://businesstech.co.za/news/energy/506580/shock-load-shedding-data-for-south-africa
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:47am
  - cmm
    
    The irony is that the only reason South Africa’s power picture is as good as that (ie. not many times worse than 800+ hours of blackouts per year) is that the economy is tanking anyway – reducing the power demand.
    
    Part of the reason for that failing economy is the power situation itself. ie. less and less people want to invest in industry when there is unreliable power.
    
    The South African government (ANC) sabotaged the power provider (Eskom), but forcing Eskom to but completely unsuitable power stations from a company owned by the ANC top brass. They are then forcing the country down an unreasonable path of solar panels and wind – without building other generation to back it up.
    
    South Africa is the major power provider to the whole of Southern Africa, so these power problems have a crippling effect on the whole of Southern Africa (the only other generation of note is Cahora Bassa dam in Mozambique which generates 2GW – about half what a single coal station outputs).
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:48am
- cmm
  
  We can expect this to increase.
  
  The forced movement towards photovoltaic (solar panels) and wind increases network fragility.
  
  The forced move towards EVs will increase peak demand.
  
  PV and wind are only partial generation solutions because they need to have an equal amount of dispatchable generation built to back them up (ie. generation that is available on demand) – coal, gas, nuke…
  
  The only way to sort this out would be for the decision makers to feel the pain.
  
  Here’s what I proposes. Whenever the power gets cut deliberately, the first household to lose power is the PM’s, followed by all her ministers, followed by everyone that owns an EV.
  
  PV can work in places like California where one of the major demands is air conditioning. ie. when the sun is shining and it is hot, the PVs are working. However it is a very broken concept the way things are in NZ: we use ours for winter heating – when the sun doesn’t shine.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:48am
  - surfing
    
    This is exactly the case, although Jacinda didn’t say we would end up with blackouts when they banned gas exploration.
    
    Isn’t hiding facts the same as lying?
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:22am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Yep. California has already blazed this particular trail as has, regrettably, Texas.
    
    As you say, it is going to become more frequent in the years ahead if they keep pushing along this low- resilience path for grid power.
    
    Unsustainable is another word that applies here.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:40am
    - Batman
      
      Texas’ problems mainly stem from going to a zero-regulation libertarian experiment. Which has utterly failed.
      
      Even committed free market folks know you have to have a minimal level of basic regulation.
      
      Nor does it help that they went full state independence which leaves them entirely alone for supply.
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/21/us/texas-electricity-ercot-blackouts.html?smid=url-share
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:37am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      As I pointed out here, Et tu Texas?:
      
      This subsidized wind and solar power have, as planned, pushed reliable thermal operators out of business or prevented new generation from being built as operators can’t make money in the market. This reduced the capacity margin. In 2009, coal-fired plants generated nearly 37 percent of the state’s electricity (now 18%) while wind provided about 6 percent (now 23). In the same period, Texas energy consumption rose by 20 percent.
      
      Moreover, the supposed “free market” folk controlling the Texas grid are well aware of the impact but, hemmed in as they are, it’s tough to challenge it:
      
      To lessen the price increases from “unreliables” governments try to get away with as few reliable power plants online as they can get away with. TX is no exception. The Public Utilities Commission of TX has called their grid’s margin for error (“reserve margin”) “very scary.”
      
      We’ll see if that event changes things in Teaxs. For certain they won’t be going for the California model of super-regulated, decidedly not free-market electrical generation and distribution, which delivers such brownouts and blackouts on a regular basis nowadays.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:02am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Batteries are getting cheap, CATL are touting a long life sodium battery that can drop storage to about NZ$50/kWh in a few years, which will make home storage for PV cheap (~$1000 per day of storage). That will make going off grid attractive for a lot of people – particularly when confronted with extortionate $8k grid connection fees as I was by Vector a few days ago. For new builds spending $30k on PV+batteries to go off grid will be the most economic choice in another 5-10 years (batteries being the current weakest link).
    
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    August 10, 2021 4:14pm
    - cmm
      
      You’d need to size the system for your highest demand (probably winter), worst case cloud (probably two weeks) and shortest days of sunshine (winter again). Then remember the battery charge/discharge efficiency is only about 80%. All up you’d want about 375kWh of batteries. At the prices you give that’s about $19k of batteries.
      
      A spend of $30k PV+$20k batteries = $50k would still leave you with a limited system. eg. maybe not being able to run all your desired loads at once.
      
      If you then need to replace that lot every 20 years (probably more often for the batteries), then that’s going to cost you $3k or more per year (amortised).
      
      Still lots has to happen to make that work.
      
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      August 10, 2021 5:50pm
      - [email protected]
        
        Possibly add a diesel generator for about $5000 for those odd moments when there s not enough sunshine.
        
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        August 10, 2021 6:57pm
- alloytoo
  
  Perhaps time to invest in a couple of UPS’s
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:57am
  - TWEEDSE
    
    Only problem is it is well known law of physics that when you finally need to use the UPS, the battery will be old and you get about 10 sec of power before it shuts down 🙂
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:30am
- rockape
  
  Maybe we need to ban charging of evs when their is a shortage. After all greenies can bike to work anyway.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:00am
  - NoCash
    
    Nah, I’m going to get a green diesel generator to charge my green EV.
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:48pm
- Bullion
  
  If you look on trademe you see many people selling cryptocurrency mining rigs, one I saw consumes, with a conservative estimate, close to 10 households use of power. I do wonder how many people are wasting electricity (keeping prices high and resulting in more coal being burned) speculating on cryptocurrencies.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:18am
  - Batman
    
    crypto bros are basically fucking the world’s energy supply and boosting emissions.
    
    Fuck crypto, to be honest.
    
    https://www.ft.com/content/1aecb2db-8f61-427c-a413-3b929291c8ac
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:29am
    - cmm
      
      On this one I agree with you Batty.
      
      Crypto generates absolutely no value and “mining” it is a waste of resources.
      
      Sure, people can make money from it, but in doing so they have generated zero value for society.
      
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      August 10, 2021 5:54pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  So how the hell are the Government going to power all the EVs?
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:26am
  - tf78
    
    How can they have their zoom meetings with no power.
    
    I read in the states they don’t recommend charging electric vehicles over night as they are turning out to be quite severe fire hazards. Quite a few houses have burnt to the ground. They’re also not allowed in underground carparks.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:50am
- Nickc2
  
  It’ll be great for the 2nd hand EV industry (heaps of used ones for sale). I hope all the luvvies get up and find their EVs haven’t charged.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:28am
  - cmm
    
    Do your homework if you buy a second hand EV.
    
    An EV battery is good for about 80,000 to 100,000km. After that it is likely to expire pretty quickly and need replacing.
    
    If you’ve bought one with 70,000 km on the clock then you’re likely to be up for a $10k battery purchase in a year or so.
    
    Once you amortise the cost of a battery into the mix, things get expensive. Just the cost of the battery life costs you around $10 per 100km. That’s more expensive than running a car.
    
    What’s going to happen when beneficiaries satart buying EVs to replace their people movers with 3 space-saver tyres? I guess the taxpayer will be funding battery purchases through MSD hardship grants.
    
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    August 10, 2021 6:02pm
- Peter Lane
  
  I see in the Herald that an energy analyst said that “cold snaps like these are becoming more common”.
  I may be a bit simple but I thought we were all in the advanced stages of frying to death.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Solar cycle 25 is the weakest in 200 years. This suggests another ‘Maunder Minimum’ could be on the way.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:50am
    - cmm
      
      The impact of solar cycles is huge.
      
      Any change in solar radiation (ie. heat from the sun) is inconsequential compared to other changes.
      
      By far the biggest is the changes in atmospheric ionisation and chemistry which impact a whole raft of factors such as cloud formation and the way water is broken down in the atmosphere. One of the biggies is changes in the ozone which changes a whole lot of other factors – including how methane is broken down.
      
      Compared to the impact of solar cycles to our human impact is like comparing tidal changes to the waves caused by a kid in a paddling pool.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:32am
    - Jimbob
      
      We will have thirty years of this, it’s going to be a volatile time. This coming northern hemisphere winter is going to be brutal due to La Nina as well as a weak solar cycle.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:57am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Also of consideration is the weakening of the Magnetic fields as well as changing/moving. You dont see this in the “models” proposed.
      
      The thing to watch as far as NZ and Hydro power is concerned is when the Weather system changes to El Nino ( Droughts) for Western Pacific ( NZ).
      If we cant keep up now with Power generation then sure wont when changes to El Nino.
      
      Simple Meteorology and not Word Soup sprouted by NIWA and Climate change “Scientists”.
      
      Fuel Security is of the utmost Importance in my mind for the immediate future and seems lost on all and sundry.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:04am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Repeat after me: warm is climate, cold is weather.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:33am
- Philview
  
  2 days ago we were told by media it has been the warmest winter in our history so a bit strange that power usage has hit a record level.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:49am
- kloyd0306
  
  In back-to-back ZB news items:
  
  Brown outs due to cold snap and insufficient energy production, followed by the latest fear report by the IPCC suggesting that a Red Alert is overdue.
  
  The latter’s answer is more EVs.
  
  You can’t make this stuff up………
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:16am
- Lance
  
  The gummit bans any and all new hydro, fucks up the gas supply by driving the rigs off shore (no more exploration and the gas fields are now unstable), coal is frowned upon and the chances of new fossil fuel generation permits are less than zero and now increased demand for electricity with a rising population and the push for EV’s.
  All the while absolutely NOBODY willing to pay for demand side management technology.
  A perfect recipe for blackouts… and it’s only going to get worse.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:37am
- coge
  
  In the back of every climate doomist’s mind, is a steadfast belief the planet is warming. Fast! Therefore, as everyone knows, cold winters will soon be a thing of the past. So no need for logical forward planning with the power grid. Only a recalcitrant denier would make such a demand!
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:55am
Captain Mainwaring

This is it folks, the beginning of our energy future under the Socialists.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126020059/national-demand-for-electricity-reaches-alltime-high-cities-plunged-into-darkness-to-reduce-load

Get used to this being a regular occurrence which will only get worse as electric cars gain market share.

Disclaimer: I didn’t vote for the incompetent bastards.
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August 10, 2021 8:01am
- Muttonbird
  
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  The missing generation capacity. Wouldn’t new facilities have been planned, funded and consented up to 10 years ago, under the John Keys government?
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:04am
  - bartybart
    
    what a complete knob you are
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:24am
  - Yabster
    
    socialist never take responsibility huh Mutton…
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:24am
  - krazykiwi
    
    OMG, that didn’t take long. It’s John Key’s fault! Benedict was right.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:31am
  - Hedgehog
    
    If it wasn’t for Ardern’s “captains call” on oil and gas we wouldn’t be in this pickle.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    Muttonhead: to an extent you are right, there is a lag time to build generation. 10 years or so to get a power station going (more if the taniwha gets in the way).
    
    But we’re only seeing the very thin end of the wedge. So far one outage to a small part of the country.
    
    The shortages we face in 2025-2030 will be far worse and will be caused by the current mob fiercely resisting building thermal generation.
    
    The huge push for electrifying everything – including EVs – is not being balanced with an increase in generation. That is going to cause far more problems down the road. If EVs are to replace 20% of vehicles in the next 10 years then we’re going to need massive generation builds and opening up more gas and coal fields.
    
    Bottom line is that PRiNZess will not build power stations (or gas and cola) on her watch. It goes completely against the brand she is building for #CinD4UN!.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:02am
    - Muttonbird
      
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      We are told the market provides. The market is clearly not providing. All the easy money in energy is in retail, you can see it with their flashy marketing campaigns.
      
      This is the problem with capitalism, money eventually shies away from the hard stuff.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:10am
      - Lance
        
        Remind us again who banned all the new hydro schemes Muttonbird?
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:40am
      - cmm
        
        Mutton: Shooting yourself in the foot…
        
        The problem is really with generation and the grid. The grid is owned by Transpower – aka ECNZ aka a state owned enterprise.
        Generation is mixed, but it is far from an open market. It does not help when the commie scum say they will nationalise generation (then don’t). This makes investors very skittish.
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:55am
      - kloyd0306
        
        I have the perfect protest for Muttonhead.
        
        Don’t buy ANYTHING. No meat products, no milk products and no vegetable products.
        
        That will work!
        
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        August 10, 2021 11:24am
    - coge
      
      Where does money come from? Where does our food come from? And where does electricity come from? One day, if we’re lucky enough, Labour will begin to ponder such questions.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:58am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Meridian has been trying to build new hydro generation on the Waitaki river since Clark was PM. The RMA makes it too hard and both Labour and National are to blame for that.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:26am
    - Muttonbird
      
      Genuine question, where? There’s already eight on that river.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:43am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Aqua
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:35am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Thank you. Hard to know what the lower Waitaki would look like if that had gone ahead.
        
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        August 10, 2021 11:06am
    - Hedgehog
      
      In fairness to National, they have always been in a coalition to govern, and tried to change the RMA, but were always unable to get the numbers. Unlike Labour who have a majority and can do what they like.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:45am
      - GJM
        
        Not quite. John Key bowed down to the Maori party and Dunne. They had the option of doin git with ACT if they had wanted to. The truth is, it’t high in the polling results for a party that governs by polling so it wasn’t a priority.
        
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        August 11, 2021 3:51pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Muttonhead, the problem has been coming since the Clyde High dam was commissioned. Since then, successive govts (Labour (supported by the Greens & that fool Shaw) and National) have allowed 4 thermal power stations to be decommissioned and gutted, had mass immigration (NZ’s population is now 5 mill as opposed to 4mill in 1992), and then allowed a half baked market based system to not plan for future generation. Then add to it the dumb call to replace gas generation with coal, and hope wind farms and solar farms will sprout with all the generation needed and you have the causes of NZ’s electricity dilemma.
    
    So, play your petty game, it sure will not give you any power. Because you haven’t got a solution.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:27am
    - Lance
      
      Renewables without nationwide ‘demand side’ is all but impossible above 10% if you want a stable grid.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:41am
  - john1234
    
    The Nats did try to ease the RMA restrictions which would have allowed new generators to be built. But neither Labour, the Greens nor, inexplicably, Peter Dunne would have a bar of it.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:43am
    - Jimbob
      
      Don’t mention Dunne, the RMA would be fixed by now, but that twat blocked it.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:01am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      For a big project like a major power station the RMA would not be a problem. It would inevitably be called in by the Minister with a 12 month fast track consenting process driven by a presiding officer, usually a retired High Court Judge.
      
      That is how all the big motorways have been done and in fact most of the windfarms.
      
      My understanding is the Project Aqua was not seen by Meridian as sufficiently profitable.
      
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      August 10, 2021 4:42pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Interesting that after a long absence, Muttonbird has re-appeared on Kiwiblog.
    
    I guess this means that, even aside from the polls, there is a sense on the Left that things are sliding away from them. Time for nutters like Muttonbird to get back in the blog comment game.
    
    Don’t know why there’d be a concern though. It’s not as anything for the Left went backward under John Key’s reign, aside from 49% of one SOE power company being sold.
    
    So it shall be for the next National-led government. Mutton can take more time off.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:46am
    - septic skeptic
      
      JK did not have a ACT MPs for a third of his caucus. If that eventuates there could be meaningful change.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:04am
    - rockape
      
      You did get an income tax reduction. Plus debt was reduced in the post financial crisis.
      
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      August 10, 2021 2:20pm
- Ruawai
  
  Also all rentals now have heat pumps rather than using fires or gas for heating, so even higher loading on power.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:05am
  - Paulus
    
    All very well for rentals to all have heat pumps but they cannot afford to run them anyway.
    And it can only get worse with this so called government.
    
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    August 10, 2021 1:55pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Nor did I, but far too many residents of New Zimbabwe clearly did.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:08am
  - pdm
    
    Inv -New Zimbabwe or New Venezuela?
    
    Or South Africa of the 60’s and 70’s.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:21am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Nah it’s Zimbabwe for sure – money printing, Redistribution of assets back to ethnic populations, egomaniac leader in power, corrupt institutions.
      
      Jacinda Mugabe has a ring to it.
      
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      August 10, 2021 8:56am
    - alloytoo
      
      I don’t remember the 70’s being too bad.
      
      2008 onward….however
      
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      August 10, 2021 8:59am
    - cmm
      
      The power was fantastic in South Africa from the 1960s through to about 2000. Now not so much with regular load shedding meaning that people will often be without power for up to 8 hours a day.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:04am
    - hullkiwi
      
      pdm, SA has had load shedding/sharing since before it hosted the 2010 Football World Cup. SA needs new generation capacity, but it can’t afford it.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  The good news about this stuff is that eco-ambivalence exists while there’s no personal cost. Once people start experiencing inconvenience or hardship they start to fight back.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:09am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  https://www.transpower.co.nz/power-system-live-data
  note the wind generation and the Gen insufficient in recent notices.
  It is a joke, how can a country with so many power resources live with a third world power supply regime.
  It is a joke, actions have consequences.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:11am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    See at 0815 this morning they have switched on the last resort diesel / oil generation. So if you are charging your EV this morning you are literally charging it with diesel.
    
    I don’t have complete information on the education of Ministers in this government but IIRC they are heavily weighted to politics and history. I doubt that the PM is aware of basic absolute truths of energy and thermodynamics. Same the Minister of Energy. And yet they are making these critical decisions about New Zealand energy security.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:29am
    - SJ Actual
      
      and 300+ tons of coal per hour at Huntly
      
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      August 10, 2021 8:36am
    - cmm
      
      The diesel generation is open cycle gas turbines (OCGTs). These are basically jet engines that spin and make electricity rather than spin a big fan to move a plane.
      
      They are extremely expensive to run (both fuel and maintenance). They are, however very handy for quickly tweaking the generation profile because they can be started and stopped quickly. Hydro can fill that function too, so OCGTs are less valuable in NZ. Running OCGTs as base generation is pretty much emergency only.
      
      I worked in power generation in the 1980s in South Afrrica. Scheduling generation is a bit like a big game of Tetris – fitting the different blocks of generation together. We considered having to run the OCGTs losing that game and it was very infrequently that we did that. Now South Africa runs their OCGTs a lot of the time trying to stave off load shedding.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:19am
    - Bob
      
      I am not aware of any govt ministers who would appear to have a grasp of Real recorded History, in any form!
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:53am
  - cmm
    
    Peak demand is the biggest problem.
    
    One of the things they need to do to reduce peak demand is to manage the growing EV fleet better:
    1) No fast charging. Ban them. Fast chargers use about the same amount of power as 60 households.
    2) All EVs only to be charged through internet controlled chargers so that they can be turned off and scheduled remotely. This means they will take longer to charge and may, sometimes, not be recharged overnight.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:10am
    - hullkiwi
      
      cmm, with the switch to EVs there in lies a massive problem for NZ. There are circa 4mill vehicles in NZ, if these are only charged at night the off peak models are out the window, electricity prices will go up and there are no real plans to meet current demand loads. It is a mess that only governments lead by unqualified amateurs can create.
      
      Long may Megan search for answers, but she can’t blame her captain, or can she?
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:28am
- Cinematic
  
  Does Jacinda absolutely refute the power outages? Will voters get really pissed off having no electricity? Me thinks yes to both.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now, that’s just misinformashun.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:27am
  - Frank the tank
    
    It’s ‘refude’. Remember our glorious leader can’t pronounce ‘t’ properly.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:57am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    But you have to cut our beloved Leader some slack. She has said that controlling the Team of 5 Million in 2021 is really, really, really, really hard.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:37am
- Southern Raider
  
  Completely agree. The University politicians and Captains calls will come home to roost and unfortunately will take years of rolling power cuts before it can be resolved.
  
  Immediate issue is power prices. Already spiking and will continue to grow and hit consumers due to lack of capacity
  
  Can’t generate more capacity as fuel sources banned and new dam projects halted by ministers
  
  At the same time adding more load through concerting homes off wood burners, no new gas connections, gas conversions when new appliances built and then of course electric car subsidies
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:14am
  - Flossie
    
    It wouldn’t matter how much extra they charge for power it won’t mean more is available
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:24am
- Tomtoddy
  
  It is beginning to look like a nightmare of huge proportions. Full hydro lakes, if that ever happens, wont fix the problem. The Greens have stopped any new hydro – Mokihinui, Lower Waitaki, etc.
  
  We can squeeze a bit more geothermal but far too little to cover the gap. Onslow if ever it was built will not always deliver. It is clearly uneconomic. Huntly is to close. Then its wind and solar and we are stuffed.
  
  More people die of cold than heat and this government is going to have blood on its hands plus a broken economy.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:15am
  - krazykiwi
    
    More people die of cold than heat
    
    Globally there are approximately 20 extreme cold deaths for every extreme heat death. Humans have known this since the caves – just look at population distribution by latitude.
    
    Eco-fascists are determined to return civilization to those caves, believing humans are a blight on Gaia’s realm.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:57am
  - Frank the tank
    
    LOL. What happens if the Cook Straight Cable breaks and what planning is there for a replacement/additional capacity.
    
    It makes the planning on a second Harbour crossing look like it was developed out of Singapore.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:59am
    - grumpy
      
      “What happens if the Cook Straight Cable breaks and what planning is there for a replacement/additional capacity.”
      
      Easy, just borrow an atomic submarine or warship from the US Navy and hook it up to the Auckland reticulation network…..problem solved!
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:31am
    - Jack5
      
      What happens when the Cook Strait cable breaks?
      
      Or the 600km Alpine Fault parallel to the power line north ruptures at magnitude 8? That’s due in the next few decades.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:53am
  - Nickc2
    
    Forget Wind and Solar, they are inefficient and cant operate without subsidies. Subsidies only add to the price of an inefficient product.
    If we don’t get off our arses and banish Green ideologies, we are fucked because the need for Electricity is increased with every appliance/tool/EV/industry we create. In short, burying our heads in the sand won’t resolve the situation. The demand for electricity isn’t going to diminish. It’s going to be the exact opposite and very expensive.
    We need to immediately start Planning, Building and setting to work a reliable, efficient and effective solution and IMO, that solution can only be Nuclear. If we stand back and wait for an alternate solution, it’ll be too late.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:09am
- Ruahine
  
  Experts have all the answers. We are burning coal because there have been no new Hydro Stations allowed to be built anymore. Bit like Auckland and its lack of water storage.
  https://www.greens.org.nz/ending-huntly-coal-key-step-towards-renewable-target
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:15am
- MCos
  
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  As of right now there are very few electric cars so that wasn’t the cause of last night’s blackouts.
  From what I understand lake levels are low and the wind didn’t blow.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    From what I understand lake levels are low
    
    Incorrect.
    
    Lake levels on 1 August 2021 were 103% of average for the time of year. Inflows in both Islands remain strong, with well above average mid-week peaks.
    
    New Zealand and South Island storage are both in the Normal range.
    
    https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/security-supply-and-ercs
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:35am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Burn Cossy. This is all on the Captain’s call. LOL.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:00am
    - MCos
      
      So the guy from Oil & Gas I heard on the radio this morning was wrong?
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:26am
      - grumpy
        
        Yes. Problem with sending hydro to North Island is the constraints above Wellington. More generation is needed in the top of the North Island.
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:33am
      - Jack5
        
        One of the safer new nuclear power-generation plants would be ideal – safely south of the 53 volcanoes Auckland City sits on.
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:55am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He sure was wrong..
        Check what the Hon Dr Megan Woods has just told Parliament in her Ministerial Statement this afternoon:
        
        as the member will also be aware, that issue has resolved and the South Island hydro system is now at around 103 percent of historical capacity for this time of the year.
        
        https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20210810_20210810_12
        
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        August 10, 2021 4:17pm
      - sooty
        
        If the lakes are full, why isn’t Ak water lakes?
        
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        August 10, 2021 7:12pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes of course electric cars were not the cause of last night’s blackouts. That is not the point. It is that if the government wants all EVs and an end to coal and gas it will need to massively increase base load electricity generation in New Zealand. Is there a plan or is it all waffle, head bobbling and waving arms?
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:36am
    - Tall Man
      
      Silly boy, “head bobbling” generates votes and with lots of votes why on earth would you want electricity?
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:15am
  - graham
    
    So if we can’t cope when we have “very few electric cars”, how on earth WILL we cope when “the way of the future” is the predominant mode of transport?
    
    Add to that the electric buses that Auckland Council is planning to bring forward in the budget, and electric trains, and electric light rail … the future isn’t looking quite so bright.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:37am
    - Batman
      
      Failure to see how free markets will cater to future demand is nobody’s problem but your own, good sir.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:50am
      - Tall Man
        
        Definitely, especially as private enterprise has such a major stake in power generation and supply within NZ ………
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:12am
      - graham
        
        So the free markets can’t cope with current demand, but you’re confident that they will be able to cope with future demand – which is going to increase significantly – with no problems?
        
        I admire your optimism, good sir …
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:18am
      - Lance
        
        A bit difficult when the free market are forbidden from building hydro schemes and thermal generation plants.
        But hey… continue to use the ‘free market’ as the whipping boy for the lefts gross incompetence.
        You know, like how the gummit stuck a huge dollop of new taxes on fuel and then ran an enquiry into the dirty thieving fuel companies causing the price of petrol to rise.
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:50am
      - Batman
        
        I’m not using it as a whipping boy at all. I’m advocating for it.
        
        Can you point me to this ban you’ve mentioned twice now? Because while hydro schemes are tricky to consent they are not banned.
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:55am
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123658280/matiri-hydro-scheme-officially-opens-near-murchison
        
        However, the little buggers won’t cut it. We need a couple of large projects in the North Island and while not banned, they may as well be due to the complexities of getting such a project across the line.
        
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        August 10, 2021 11:06am
      - Lance
        
        @Batman
        Mokihinui Hydro
        Waitaha River Scheme
        Waimakariri
        
        etc
        
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        August 10, 2021 11:18am
      - Batman
        
        Lance that isn’t a ban. That’s three projects that didn’t get through.
        
        Whether they should is a different question.
        
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        August 10, 2021 12:19pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Some of us think ahead about future consequences and not just hope and pray like your party does.
    
    Yes low electric cars at the moment but forecast to grow exponentially at the same time everyone needs to convert gas heating and gas cooking to electricity
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:00am
  - alloytoo
    
    The wind typically blows less at night, sun doesn’t shine either (at least we don’t get any)
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:02am
    - Tall Man
      
      “(at least we don’t get any)”
      
      Cut your bloody trees down then ……. 😉
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:07am
- alex Masterley
  
  Cutting back the generation capacity at Huntly works well doesn’t it.
  And solar works just as well at night as do wind turbines when there is no breeze.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    I reckon we should add capacity to Huntly and burn rubbish.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:03am
    - Jack5
      
      Huntly sits on a coalfield, and a coalfield that contains considerable amounts of coal-seam gas.
      
      Solid Energy was working on harnessing this gas, when it went belly up, largely because of a dive in world coal prices.
      
      Solid Energy was exporting amounts of coal. Now we are importing it for Huntly thermal power generation.
      
      We’ve turned into a country of Green-Commie hobbits.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:01am
    - Tall Man
      
      We could start with all the labour party policy pamphlets from the 2020 election ….. Oh wait …..
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:08am
    - Matt Long
      
      Or better burn the rubbish closer to it source in Auckland instead of choking SH1 carting it to the Dome For landfill.
      Although I guess you could argue Huntly is close to the center of the Golden Triangle, so rail freight waste from Tauranga, Hamilton and Auckland to Huntly to generate power. At last a freight option worthy of rail.
      
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      August 10, 2021 3:22pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Burning rubbish is not efficient, it doesn’t burn hot enough to be useful for generating commercial/industrial quantities of steam in a timely/sustainable manner.
        
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        August 10, 2021 7:16pm
      - sooty
        
        Wasn’t Mercer power station going to burn rubbish?
        
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        August 10, 2021 7:16pm
- Matt Long
  
  Also https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/widespread-power-outage-in-the-middle-of-winter-thousands-affected/LVKE32TOWMPVTPE76HM7P4U4G4/ Note that “the surge in demand could not be forecast”?!!! Given that most of New Zealand is now dependent on electricity for heating perhaps the people that could not forecast this should be in different occupations. I’m guessing that when fuel shortages hit in the next few years that will also not have been able to be forecast.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:18am
  - Matt Long
    
    No doubt it would be a great comfort to those who lost their power and home heating in this episode to know that in most of the country smug Electric Vehicle owners were able to keep saving the planet by charging their EVs without interruption.
    If you don’t like that situation sign my petition https://www.change.org/NoUteTaxtoBurnCoal
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:22am
    - [email protected]
      
      Hi ML.
      
      I’m an EV owner but far from smug. When we purchased our EV six years ago there were no power shortages.
      
      The power outages were during peak demand time from 7 PM To 9 PM. Most EV charging occurs after 11 PM when the rates drop to a out 1/3 of normal due to lack of demand.
      
      Last night did not charge at all because we had plenty of sunlight during the day and charged from our solar array.
      
      Please don’t blame EV owners for a problem caused by lack of infrastructure investment by power companies.
      
      BTW it takes power to refine petrol and diesel.
      
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      August 10, 2021 8:59am
      - Matt Long
        
        Really no slight sense of satisfaction that you use the road for free?
        
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        August 10, 2021 3:25pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        So your EV is six years old, and that’s assuming you bought it new.
        So sometime in the next 4 to 7 years you’ll have to replace the battery which will cost twice as much as the car’s worth by then.
        Have you budgeted for this?
        
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        August 10, 2021 9:17pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is not just electric cars. The Climate Change Commission wants to shut down coal and gas fired industrial and commercial operations and convert them to electricity. Milk drying, hospitals, food processing…
  
  When the lights go out don’t expect the Minister to go oops. They will blame transpower, John Key, whatever. The solution will be a new centralised Department of Electricity with a Maori name. It will be in charge of rationing electricity to achieve a just transition to a zero carbon future.
  
  Is my scenario satire? No not at all.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:18am
  - Matt Long
    
    In Fonterra’s case milk dryers are being powered by burning biomass instead of coal, so won’t impact electricity use too much I hope.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:20am
    - grumpy
      
      In many cases electricity is a by-product of burning biomass………
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Q: What did the socialists of the world use for lighting before they had candles?
  A: Electricity.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:52am
- RoboRob
  
  Labour has known this was coming since day one. Meghan Woods, the then minister of energy, did a speech on it in her opening address. She spoke about the need to increase generation by a percentage (8?) every year. That was immediately followed by ditching gas and pushing more people to electricity.
  
  Since then labour has done absolutely nothing to improve the situation, instead relying on the coal fired emergency backup at Huntly to offset the increased demand. This is why we now burn more coal then ever before. The National party, Act and media have done NZ a massive disservice by not bringing this issue to the fore.
  
  Now it is all to late. The RMA remains in place and even without it new generation of the scale required (I’m guessing at least one large hydro, if that is even possible) will take 10-15 years. In the meantime NZ will have to get used to massive power price rises and brown outs. Thanks Labour, National and Act.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:59am
  - RoboRob
    
    It has just come to my attention that Megan Woods is still the energy minister.
    
    She should be gone by tomorrow. I suspect JA might even do it. After the recent poll drop, she will be wanting to minimise the damage from this obvious disaster. If cycle ways and Ute taxes were bad, just think what brownouts will do to Labours numbers.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:06am
  - marcw
    
    There have been a couple of extensions to our geothermal generation recently, but of course these projects were consented during the Key Government years.
    
    Ironically, one of the geographical areas that has had excess rainfall for some time was denied a consent for a new hydro project not long ago, and continues to be supplied with virtually all their electrical energy supply by draining it from the rest of the country – this is of course Westland.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:22am
- Bullion
  
  I have seen an idea or proposal to use people’s cars as a way of storing energy for the grid. Cars get topped up with low load, and then feed back into the grid with high load
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:23am
  - rangitoto
    
    Sorry you can’t drive to work this morning . The grid has drained your EV battery.
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:28am
- Isobar
  
  You guys realise the last time this happened was 10 years ago right during the middle of John Keys government.
  
  Point is, we as a country have a broken market. If left to the generators they are simply not going to build more generation because it would mean less profits, they are incentivised at the moment to keep the market close to shortage which keeps the spot prices high.
  
  You also cannot click your fingers and build more generation overnight – it literally takes a decade or more. So even if we started today any decent power station would not come online until after 2030. Yes Labour probably should have got in and started work on this in 2017, but even if they did we wouldnt see any benefits of this right now.
  
  Before the market reforms NZ had the 4th lowest power price in the OECD and we built sufficient generation capacity. Since then its all gone downhill.
  
  Clearly there is market failure here and the whole system needs to be binned and re-written.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:26am
Tomtoddy

Interesting spat between Troy Bowker and Sir Ian Taylor about our history. Bowker suggests Taylor is “sucking up to the left Maori loving agenda”, and added, “Stuff is a far left extreme publication essentially surviving on being nice to Labour and the Greens in exchange for subsidies.”

Taylor claims, “If we are going to have a debate about naming rights let’s do it fully informed about the amazing feat of the Pacific Voyagers who named the whenua where they settled.”

That’s all very fine but Taylor cannot get his “facts” right. He stated that Maori set out to come down here at the time the Egyptians were building the pyramids. What??? The pyramids were built over 4,500 years ago and even the earliest date for Kupe and co is 1200 AD . Many suggest it was even later than that.

Taylor then suggests that they (these early arrivals) called the place Aotearoa. That is simply wrong and cannot be substantiated.

Thereby lies much of the problem. The woke lefties simply alter the ‘facts’ to suit their evil agenda.
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- krazykiwi
  
  “Stuff is a far left extreme publication essentially surviving on being nice to Labour and the Greens in exchange for subsidies.”
  
  Well, that’s a bullseye!
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:06am
- Bullion
  
  That lines up with Polynesians setting out to colonise the Pacific, NZ being the last, or just about the last, place they colonised
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:30am
  - Jack5
    
    …Polynesians setting out to colonise the Pacific …
    
    Or, and more likely, overpopulation continually forced them to sea seeking new home territory.
    
    Ian Taylor, who has a Maori mother, is a bright fellow who came out of the TV industry. He has said that he harnessed technical skills of what he has called “bright white guys” to create great video products that he envisages. That is, Taylor is a skilled and successful technology entrepreneur.
    
    Taylor has described how he feels as a white-looking Maori (his words) being regarded as “not really a Maori”.
    
    This and developing video products for America’s Cup racing, seem to have fuelled his drive to get Polynesians recognition for their ocean voyaging.
    
    As Taylor says in the article linked to below:
    
    When our Maori ancestors designed vessels and navigation systems that saw them navigate, conquer and settle the biggest ocean on the planet – 1000 years before any other humans even dared: I’m pretty sure no one would ever have said to them.
    
    “Aaah but you’re not really Maori!”
    
    https://www.thatsus.co.nz/ian-taylor
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:26am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    He put it really poorly then, because they didn’t ‘set out’ for here at that time.
    Also, the Pacific people called the Polynesians are best thought of as originating FROM Polynesia. Their ancestors have common genetic links into Micronesia, and even Melanesia, and of course the eastern part of Asia: Taiwan – but even the Taiwanese tribal people are diverse in terms of origins.
    So worth considering the Rhetorical question ‘where do Polynesians come from?’
    In a similar way, the Maori themselves originate (culturally) from NZ: their ancestors didn’t step off the canoe/waka as Maori with curvilinear moko and greenstone (although I have seen documentaries show exactly that!).
    This is about as meaningful as saying that Julius Caesar landing in Britain means a link/lineage to those with Roman ancestry or cultural linkage to pre-Saxon English through to Captain Cook, and in the span of history……therefore, the ‘white’ peoples here “set out for NZ” at the time of the Roman invasion.
    Or should we push that back to Phoenician tin traders?
    i.e. There was no fore-knowledge at all of where history would end up thousands of years later.
    The world only grew larger to people over time.
    
    To labour the point; people making ceramics in Taiwan 3,000 years ago were not in the act of ‘setting out to NZ’, so linkage back to the time of ancient dynasties like Egypt is contriving awful hard to give Maori a enormous historical span.
    To call the exploration of the Pacific as simply ‘Maori’ is rather dumbing it down, even if it makes someone swell with racial-based pride.
    Sir Ian=Poor thesis, needs more work.
    
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    August 10, 2021 3:02pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I think he is talking about the ancestors of the Polynesians first leaving Taiwan.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:31am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    Don’t forget their Melanesian ancestors
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2019/01/18/primitive-tribesmen-complain-about-technologically-superior-invaders/
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:13am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Aotearoa was a name dreamed up by a Pom civil servant in around the 1870s.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Probably explains why the current crop of civil servants are so enamoured with it.
    
    Never sure where the term “civil servant” emanated from as currently they are neither civil nor acting in our best interests.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:00am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Civil Servant — Pom, for what we once called Public Servants. The latter seem to have disappeared under a cloud of uselessness and sycophancy.
      (Apologies to any remaining faithful ones serving well.)
      
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      August 10, 2021 12:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  The other issue that is conveniently overlooked is how many of the “great navigators” sailed away never to arrive or return …..
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:01am
  - virtualmark
    
    Quite a few European navigators of the same era had the same experience …
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      Not my point.
      
      “Great” scientific navigators would have no problems would they?
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:10am
      - Batman
        
        He’s got you there TM. Nobody was that shit hot so trying to tear down one side just makes you look foolish.
        
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        August 10, 2021 12:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Again batman, not my point but hey, if it gives you chance to try to be smartarse, who am I to complain.
        
        My point was that the “Great Migration” never really happened as such. There were no armadas of canoes with horses and families and great pots of taro and yams.
        
        Over many years many boats went awandering for a variety of reasons and over quite a few hundred years a small population built up and maybe, just maybe some of those went back but over time different groups arrived, settled and continued their society in whatever form they desired.
        
        Again, over time they grew and as usual, decided to explore a bit around here and found a few of the “each others” and either decided to befriend or destroy.
        
        So we are “feed” a line that supposedly supports the theory that maori were the great navigators to support the “maori science” waffle whereas the reality is vastly different.
        
        The myth of the “great migration” only tells one small part of the story but I’ll leave to those interested to go find the rest. Remember, the life expectancy of maori before the Euros arrived was 28 – 30 years. Hardly a great society divorced from the realities of life throughout the undeveloped world at the time and look at what the Chinese were up to in the 1400’s…..
        
        https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/08/eac.html
        
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        August 10, 2021 1:19pm
      - Batman
        
        Dude you’ve literally just described a great migration over time.
        
        Cheers.
        
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        August 10, 2021 1:46pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “My point was that the “Great Migration” never really happened as such.”
        
        As such means as portrayed by certain figures.
        
        A great migration that loses way more than it saves can hardly be labeled “great”.
        
        Being evicted from your island at the point of a spear isn’t really “migrating” in the accepted sense of the word.
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:07pm
Scott

The conversion therapy ban appears to be even worse than we imagined. It seems that parents cannot counsel their 12 year old who questions their sexual identity. They could be put in jail for 3 years for confirming to little Johny that he is in fact a boy!
https://familyfirst.org.nz/2021/08/09/media-release-obviously-we-want-to-criminalise-parents-bill-advocate/

The bill also appears to favour homosexuality. You can’t counsel a person who has homosexual attractions but wants to have a heterosexual life. But you can counsel the other way. You can affirm a person who has been married for decades to someone of the opposite sex but now has homosexual attractions.

So let’s sum up. Homosexuality – affirm at all times, you can’t leave it! Heterosexuality, ok but homosexuality is better.
Love your children? That’s OK but big government knows best and you put a foot wrong by affirming Mary is a girl then 3 years in jail for you.
Who thinks we have lost our minds?
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- graham
  
  Scott, when you have Planned Parenthood in America writing that:
  
  Many people know that they’re trans from a very young age — even as young as age 3
  
  I think your last question must be rhetorical, surely?
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:44am
- emmess
  
  Not we, but they have
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:51am
- TripeWryter
  
  I have taken a closer interest in this bill than I might have because earlier this year a much-loved young relative – 16 – told her parents that she wanted to be a boy.
  She had realised that all her life she’d felt she was in the wrong body; that she should have been a boy.
  As an uncle who has known her all life I naturally followed her path with interest.
  One thing that stood out was she was ‘different’ from other girls. She didn’t seem to identify with them and seemed more comfortable with males.
  I could go on.
  I suppose that when she told me I wasn’t surprised.
  Her parents are supportive. Her father says he would rather have a happy son than an unhappy daughter.
  So I’m more interested in this than otherwise I might.
  Although her parents are supportive they have been careful to urge caution; she is still young; think carefully before you do anything irrevocable that you might regret later; we get only one body, one life before we check out.
  Parliament needs to make sure that parents will not be criminalised for being parents. It’s parents’ job in the bringing up of their children to prepare them for their adulthood.
  That surely must include being cautious, expressing caution, urging careful thought as their offspring stand on the edge of the nest before spreading their wings and leaping off the edge.
  Parents should be able to do their job without the fear of Constable Plod knocking on their door.
  The other thing about this bill is that it’s a distraction.
  How often does ‘conversion therapy’ happen? When was the last time?
  Back in the 90s a woman arrived into our church having fled from another, rather extremist ‘Christian’ church.
  She had thought she might be gay. They prayed (I’d say even preyed) over her.
  They left her fucked in the head.
  Nobody in our church was concerned about her possible gayness.
  She was with us for a couple of years, met a guy in another part of the country, our marriage celebrant presided over her wedding, and they went away.
  I thought that what the people in the other church had done to her was cruel and unchristian.
  Having said that, though, that while our MPs spend time and effort on banning this ‘therapy’ more children sink deeper into ‘poverdee’.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:43am
  - marcw
    
    This is student politics in action, where our ‘leaders’ are truly out of their depth. They know no other pathway, especially in actually running a Country.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:48am
- Bullion
  
  Seems weird that someone would suppress their same sex attractions to be hetero, unless it was because of parental / societal pressure to be hetero. Kid should be told that they can choose to love who ever and their parents and peers will continue to love and support them.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:07am
  - Batman
    
    Given this is Scott’s opinion based on propaganda from the prehistoric family lobby, I don’t think any of it can be relied upon as factual.
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:23pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are the hospitals too going to drop their testing for chromosomal typing for gender?
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:04pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Tony Stuart, any words of wisdom from the National Party non-event over the weekend?
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August 10, 2021 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I don’t know CM; I wasn’t at the “non-event”. I was however at the National Party conference in Manukau, which was the biggest conference attendance for a decade, and one of the biggest post-election conferences for many, many years.
  
  It’s a shame that the media has chosen to focus on the spat between David Carter and Peter Goodfellow. At the end of the day they were the only two realistic candidates for the presidency, and Carter’s reaction to not being elected might be construed as proof that he wasn’t the right person to lead the board.
  
  With DPF’s approval, I’m hoping to have a guest post today or tomorrow where I will talk about one policy session in particular, which brought tears to the eyes of this cynical old fart. But that stuff doesn’t sell newspapers or generate clicks like blood on the floor does, even if there was no blood on the floor!
  
  For me, the conference was excellent, and with so many delegates in attendance from Southland to Northland, the grassroots party organisation is in great heart. I also got to meet a few people who confused me for the Tony Stuart who regularly comments here, and it’s always great to put faces to names.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:21am
  - pdm
    
    Inv I am happy to put a guest post for you at No Minister as well. I think you have my email.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:25am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Thanks pdm. Among the people I met was The Veteran!
      
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      August 10, 2021 8:31am
      - pdm
        
        You are ahead of me Inv – we have exchanged emails but never met. In fact Gravedodger is the only other blogger at No Minister that I have met – we had a beer in the mid 2000’s when he was visiting family in Hawkes Bay.
        
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        August 10, 2021 8:56am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Chris Trotter has a different perspective
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/08/10/frail-and-confused-national-succumbs-to-political-alzheimers/
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:27am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Did Mr Trotter attend this meeting?
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        No need, tova told him all the important bits …….
        
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        August 10, 2021 9:57am
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        It’s not the people who were there that need to be convinced to vote National
        
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        August 10, 2021 10:20am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Thanks Tony, I knew I could rely on you for a balanced report and I look forward to your guest post.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:34am
  - BeaB
    
    Agree about Carter. I was disappointed in him. What a childish way to react to a defeat. We are better without prima donnas like him.
    The media hate Goodfellow which makes me more inclined to back him.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:12am
    - Bob
      
      That the Media hate Goodfellow, just reinforces the fact that He, and National are prepared to do the responsible thing for the future of the country; much more than can be said for our MEDIA activities and propaganda.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:03am
  - john
    
    Thanks Tony
    Cam Bagrie was blunt and sobering on the financial future.
    The health session was practical and pragmatic.
    The mental health session had me leaving my seat and hiding around the corner. I will still be there to pick up the pieces as a paramedic but we have all done too much particularly in our rural communities.
    
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    August 10, 2021 9:56am
    - Jack5
      
      It would be good to hear what National would do for the mental health system. It’s in dire shape.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:31am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Carter has shown his unsuitability.
    Don’t trust the media.
    
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    August 10, 2021 1:06pm
SJ Actual

Last night’s rolling power outages are a disgrace.

Jacinda will be busy working out how it could have been better communicated. What we need is a goernment that will get busy working out how to fix it.
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August 10, 2021 8:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Where’s Megan Woods this morning? Why hasn’t she been all over the media reassuring us that this was just a blip? And will there be a rolling power blackout in Thorndon around 2pm this afternoon, preventing National and Act from holding the Government to account?
  
  So many questions…
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:27am
  - Ehlana
    
    You mean like the way it was safe to hold the Labour Party campaign launch but just a few days later it became unsafe to hold the National Party launch?
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:40am
    - Bob
      
      Ehlana…
      you’re not suggesting that there was any ideological subterfuge in the announcement of the Covid lock down prior to the proposed National Party Campaign Launch, are you?
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:06am
  - G152
    
    [this kind of attack on public figures has long been out of bounds, keep it classier – Mod]
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Megan Woods is organising her spin doctors…She hasn’t a clue and they need to order the bus to throw someone under.
    
    Energy Minister Megan Woods will be meeting with Transpower and the Electricity Authority this morning for a please explain.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018807568/renewable-energy-can-t-cope-with-power-demand-lobby-group
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:42am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Question, why wasn’t Woods in the loop yesterday when Transpower knew what was coming?
      
      Talk about being deaf as a minister to no surprises!
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:48am
    - Bob
      
      There are a lot of empty buses roaming the streets of Auckland at present, any one of those would do the ‘job’!
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:07am
  - Biscuit
    
    Megan is busy, Tony.
    
    Apparently another house has been built under her watch and she neds to be at its opening…
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:46am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      More likely at the roof shout as there will be plenty of sausage rolls.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:09am
- nathie
  
  Flicked over to Morning Report on the car radio, Corrin Dann interviewing spokesman for “Oil and Gas lobby group Energy Resources Aotearoa”, who carefully explained that NZ needs a range of energy sources (eg to cover for windless days/nights etc) …. poor Corrin couldn’t seem to get his head around that having 100% Renewable Energy supply is “not a good thing” (in terms of reliability/availability etc).
  
  Sheesh, here’s the problem we have with gullible/naive/idealist lefties (politicians, activists and MSM media) …. they have to follow a pre-described course (“climate change”) and any deviation from that course (like having backup gas and coal) just does their heads in – they almost can’t process the need for having “dirty” energy because it is against everything that they believe in.
  
  Even the Muppets had more brain capacity and would “get it” compared to these lefties!
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018807568/renewable-energy-can-t-cope-with-power-demand-lobby-group
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:08am
  - MCos
    
    That Oil & Gas guy must have gone to bed a happy man last night!
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:37am
Handyman

So we are now seeing the impact of climate change POLICIES.
— The temperature has not changed. Actually it is exactly the same as 7 years ago when the last IPCC report was issued. Awkward.
— Electricity generation by reliables has reduced.
— Electricity usage has increased – even before taking into account electric cars.
— Solar makes no contribution to NZ’s peak time usage, which happens at night.
— Windmills make no contribution for seasonal peaks. That is, on cold STILL mornings.

Yet I predict we will see images of back lit steam on the news tonight but not stationary windmill rotors. The Labour government will prefer people to freeze before asking those with (subsidised) electric cars to delay plugging in until after peak time.

Unlike the future temperature, this was entirely predictable.
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August 10, 2021 8:12am
- alloytoo
  
  Apparently you can use your electric car to power your house during a blackout, how you will get to work in the morning is another issue.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:09am
  - Batman
    
    That’s the Rivian truck you raise there, which has a battery capacity of 180kw/h, while a Tesla Powerwall is 13.5kw/h and can power a house overnight.
    
    I think the truck will be okay. If the power is out and you use your car for power I hardly think you’ll be leaving all the lights on and blasting the heat + TV + showers + all the computers at the same time.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:20am
    - grumpy
      
      Maybe a call out could go to all EV users when a blackout is approaching. They all drive to the top of the closest hill (bad luck Auckland) with whatever battery power they have left and free wheel down generating electricity into the grid………..
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In the mornings the winds are usually at their lightest (before the sun heats up the land and the sea breeze begins in the early afternoon).
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The latest IPCC Report begins with bare-faced lies:
  
  “Many of the changes observed in the climate are unprecedented in thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, and some of the changes already set in motion—such as continued sea level rise—are irreversible over hundreds to thousands of years.
  
  However, strong and sustained reductions in emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases would limit climate change.”
  
  Hard to know where to start with these, let’s take it from the top:
  
  1. Man has only been observing the climate and taking measurements in the last 100 or so years. Yet these arrogant muppets say they have never been observed for hundreds of thousands of years. Well, duh!
  
  2. If the changes are already set in motion, and are irreversible, then we’re all wasting time and money dancing on the head of a pin, and we may as well stop reading there. (Trust me, that last one makes a lot of sense.)
  
  3. Strong and sustained reductions in CO2 and other greenhouse gases would limit climate change – yes they would in a parallel universe.
  
  They do make one true statement, right at the beginning. There are changes in the Earth’s climate in every region and across the whole climate system. That’s because it’a a complex beast, beyond the wit of any man (or woman) to even fathom, let alone exercise the breathtaking arrogance to believe he (or she) has the means to control it.
  
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  August 10, 2021 4:07pm
  - Nickc2
    
    TVNZ1 tonight couldn’t help themselves pushing the Labour/Green party line. However, that’s what the Govt pays them to do, isn’t it?
    
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    August 10, 2021 7:02pm
JibberJabber

Hamilton living the Greens dream, freezing to death in the Dark.
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August 10, 2021 8:16am
Critical Thinker

Covid PCR Test Discontinued

The Covid PCR test, the greatest magician to have ever existed. If you think David Copperfield making the Statue of Liberty disappear was impressive, imagine making the liberty of 7 billion people disappear. Not only that, the PCR test made 37 million flu cases vanish in a single year, and like all good magic tricks, those flu cases are about to reappear. Now that’s some top tier magic, isn’t it? ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m53tHJkIQj8
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August 10, 2021 8:17am
Maggie Pie

There are times you really do despair…..

TV3Ewes reports that associates of the ‘Washdyke 5’ are planning a memorial-event this Friday for friends killed in the horrendous car crash last weekend.
According to a post on social media, attendees have been told… to bring their ‘loudest cars’ 🙁

Honestly, why not hold something appropriate like a Candlelit Mass?
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August 10, 2021 8:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yep, and they’ll all be doing burnouts to “honour” the memories of the five young men who died. I wonder what the driver of the car will get for five counts of manslaughter…
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It won’t be manslaughter. It will be dangerous driving causing death. He will get about 4 years and be out in 2 years.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:44am
    - Happychappy
      
      He won’t even go to jail , Labour policy is to educate the young to follow there way and they use it in every tragedy that has happened under Jacinda’s watch, it’s only Murders or the dangerous that go to jail except for the rich which Jacinda Ardern and Labour can use to appease their following.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:23am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        How can Labour interfere with the Courts sentencing? The judiciary are formally separate.
        
        Have they actually accepted directions as to sentencing policy?
        
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        August 10, 2021 1:12pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    A life of misery and regret for his stupid actions.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:45am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Unlikely, he’ll most likely blame everything else but certainly not himself. He probably just thinks they were unlucky because he’s done it hundreds of times and nothing like this happened before.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:10am
    - RiP NZ
      
      Greg, that assumes he has the ability to comprehend it, and a conscious, and remote levels of EQ.
      The ‘ bring you loudest cars’ thing just demonstrates the level of stupid here.
      Sad but true, the hangers on are going to revel in their new found popularity on the socials.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’d like to think you’re right but I doubt it very much.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:54am
    - Sacha
      
      Misery? Regret?
      No. He’ll just grin and say that he was a bit of a lad back then. And have another beer with his mates.
      I wonder what the parents are thinking? Do they feel any guilt about letting their clueless young teenagers out loose on a Saturday night?
      I query the insight of those who would ‘celebrate’ their loss in such a way.
      
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      August 10, 2021 10:49am
    - backster
      
      True or false will be worth a discount of 40%.
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:04am
  - Joely Doe
    
    Likely to be ‘Careless Driving Causing Injury or Death’
    I would be surprised to see more than 11 months Home Detention, given his age (time off) and prospects for rehabilitation (time off).
    Also has to live with the fact he killed his friends (time off), attend a Restorative Justice meeting (time off), probably be a Cultural report (time off) and submissions from family/employer (time off).
    Realistically, we (taxpayers) will probably owe him…
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:52am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s times like this that Darwinian evolution is proved correct.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:01am
- Matt Long
  
  Like the drunk driver who smashed his passenger on a tree opposite our boundary. Beer bottle memorial, regular road party remembrance sessions with bottles tossed over the fence, an inability to equate actions with consequences.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:29am
- Tricati
  
  I do have sympathies for the families involved, but to promote similar behavior to recognize the event is indicative of the age of those involved. This is the same age group currently taking legal action at the High Court for the right to vote. I really despair at times as to where our country is heading.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:48am
  - Paulus
    
    I am very elderly, and considered to have some wisdom.
    That cannot have been achieved by not having been foolish when younger.
    
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    August 10, 2021 2:13pm
Ehlana

“Following strong uptake from the 60-plus and 55-plus age groups, COVID-19 vaccine bookings for New Zealanders over 50 are being brought forward to Friday 13 August, earlier than planned, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said yesterday.” Does anyone else find this strange?

I would expect “strong uptake” to mean more people than expected have booked vaccinations, which would push back the dates when you could book in the next group of people, delaying the rollout to them.

So how does it happen that more people wanting to be vaccinated means less time is needed to vaccinate them?
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August 10, 2021 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Instead of the over-50’s, how about Hipkins get out and get all port workers, border workers and other people in contact with possible Covid carriers vaccinated?
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:36am
  - Ehlana
    
    Which is another thing I don’t understand.
    Group 1: Border and managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) workers
    
    I thought the Ports were at the border. I think it was the whole land of New Zealand on one side and the sea on the other thing that fooled me. Or does the government consider that the sea border is our nautical limit and that the port workers, 200 nm away from it, are therefore not on the border?
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:45am
- SJ Actual
  
  I thought the same.
  But I guess all they are doing is bringing forward the date on which a booking can be made, not the date on which you can get vaccinated.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:40am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You can book right now and get your first shot this evening or tomorrow. No idea why you’d want to, but you can.
    
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    August 10, 2021 4:13pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes as usual it makes no sense.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:45am
Scooter

Will the idiot driver be charged with anything, manslaughter would be a start and would maybe send a message to others.
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August 10, 2021 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Police have already referred to speed and alcohol as being factors. That, plus the young fella travelling in the car boot, should ensure manslaughter charges are laid.
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:35am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I doubt that meets the parameters of manslaughter. Happy to be corrected by a criminal lawyer.
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:48am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Dangerous driving causing death x 5 will be charges laid at a minimum. with driving while under the influence etc etc.
      Low hanging fruit. Easy to proove Manslaughter is more difficult to prove.
      
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      August 10, 2021 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And he only had a restricted Driver’s licence
    https://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/cars/restricted-licence/restricted-licence-conditions/
    
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    August 10, 2021 8:50am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL. There will be a sob story on this sorry individual in the coming days how he was a misunderstood and made a genuine mistake. It will come via ‘Stuffed’
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:43am
- Sacha
  
  Trouble is, Scooter, that the message doesn’t get through, so it’s a waste of time and effort. We’ve seen it time and time again –
  Yes, maybe people won’t get into the boot next Saturday night, and maybe the least drunk will drive, but that’s about it.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:54am
KevO'Brien

Yeah! Climate change day.
The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system,
and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible UNIPCC TAR-14. p 771

When are the lies going to stop to attempt to lock the world down to accomplish the NWO’s agenda?

The climate nonsense goes way back. In 1972 we were scared that we would all be frozen as icicles by 2000. Hadley Research Centre (UK) became infamous for their change of heart and their leaked emails showed a system of how to change the national weather histories to give a perception of increasing warming. NIWA were suckered and acted accordingly. However the long term UK weather records stretching back into the 1700’s have survived.

Truth has become a sparse commodity with an accelerating price. The sun gets ignored despite being the main driver of our external energy sources. It’s is notable that the art of Brueghel showing the winter fairs in Europe was echoed by fairs on the iced over Thames. The sun had a no-spots season with global cold. There are serious scientists presently measuring such things and they are expecting a return of the cold.

We need to mitigate not master. But political forces dictate otherwise. The WEF (NWO) leader Karl Schwab has it all outlined in his manifesto. The “vaccines” will be used to bring about a controlled lockdown and the Great Reset will be upon us. Our politicians will be their useful idiots to effect that with the help of the necessities of enforcing climate change protection. Hence delivering supplicants to the NWO table for care and control. In the background, their vision extends to a world population ranging as low as 300 million. Are they really friendly?

There are lunatics everywhere. It worse when they have political control and power.
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August 10, 2021 8:32am
KevO'Brien

[ Mod : You already said all that ]
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August 10, 2021 8:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Happy accidents. The editing module here is a little flakey.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:38am
Happychappy

I recieved aletter from my District Council yesterday informing me that my direct credit amount to the Waikato District Council would increase from $47 .00 per week to $61.53 in my calculations a rise in my rates of about $750.00 per year and this in Huntly New Zealand, so if we are getting rate rises like this how will the bigger Cities population come to terms with the cost of their rates.
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August 10, 2021 8:42am
- Tall Man
  
  Smaller towns have less ratepayers to cover fixed costs.
  
  Look at the size of your district council then look at another of a larger town. Hardly proportionate wouldn’t you agree?
  
  That was supposedly the idea behind Rodney’s amalgamation plan but he didn’t factor in just how ingrained troughing is within local councils in NZ.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:52am
Maggie Pie

Happened to catch National’s Simon Bridges on the news last night.

TBH, if he still has leadership aspirations, he’ll need to get a haircut 😀

https://imgflip.com/i/5j0o4u
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August 10, 2021 8:44am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s like he never watches himself on TV.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:02am
- James Stephenson
  
  With that haircut, the only thing he’ll be leading is a 90’s shoegaze band.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:11am
- BeaB
  
  Why?
  What does hairstyle have to do with anything?
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    Jacinda needs one too.
    
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    August 10, 2021 2:15pm
KevO'Brien

Has our govt signed up to break our law too?
Can such arrangements be enforceable as against the peoples interests? Being contrary to “public policy” does that operate such circumstances or is public policy whatever our rulers chose to do so contract law can be disabled?

https://basedunderground.com/2021/08/08/bombshell-leak-countries-that-buy-pfizers-vaccine-undertake-to-break-the-law/
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August 10, 2021 8:49am
Frank the tank

Random musings today:

1). Any of the feckless ones going to do a fact check on the Blairite’s claim of misinformation regarding Jimmy the Stevedore not getting the KungFlu jab. Pray to God – Morrah is on to this.

2). How about making it mandatory of all beneficiaries to have the jab and anyone relying on the state (i.e. emergency housing etc)?
Why is it the responsible ones that get compulsion whereas we let the real risk demographics dribble along in dumb denial.

3). Can we get a breakdown of the PPE used and for our own sake understand it wasn’t just hands over their noses when they entered the vessel?

4). Rolling blackouts – get used to it folks. Has any of the feckless looked into this and whether without gas and coal we can force enough power through the one cable we have to the North Island to satisfy power consumption in our main population centers?

5). The next National PM needs to make Hosking a member of the Order of New Zealanders. He is the George Orwell of modern Aotearoan (sic) times.
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August 10, 2021 8:53am
Southern Raider

Called family GP yesterday to book my son in as he’s been feeling unwell. Was told his normal doctor is constantly booked up a week in advance.

Managed to get an appointment with another today and just listening to reception take multiple calls telling patients they can’t help as no doctors available

More people will be killed by the locked borders than by COVID in NZ
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August 10, 2021 9:02am
- cmm
  
  I think you can replace the “will be” with “have been”.
  
  Last year all the hospitals were effectively shut down due to level 4. This was ridiculous since Level 4 is supposed to have only been triggered when the hospitals were overrun with CV19 cases and that never happened – not even close.
  
  While hospitals were shut down from April (or so) to July (or so), numerous people did not attend the outpatients clinics and get cancer & heart checks etc. Some of these people thus ended up missing issues that could have been sorted out if detected in time. Many of those have since died or had their lives cut short.
  
  So yes, apart from the bullshit policies that are causing medical staff to flee NZ, the health system has dropped the ball – causing multiple people to die sooner.
  
  On the flip side, just about everyone who’s life was “saved” by lock downs is probably dead by now anyway. Almost all those people would have been frail and/or ill and would likely have been in the last year or 18 months of their life anyway.
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:54pm
rjay

I see Greta has named and shamed New Zealand. Jacinda won’t be happy
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/08/greta-thunberg-enrages-kiwis-with-tweet-targeting-new-zealand-s-greenhouse-gas-emissions.html
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August 10, 2021 9:06am
- alex Masterley
  
  Greta can eff off.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:31am
- BananaLlama
  
  If New Zealand farmers feed 40 million people then what is New Zealands farming emissions per capita compared to other global producers or will Greta just refude that as well.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:34am
Maggie Pie

@jack

Lucky he didn’t tweet any misinformation about COVID.
Just saying.

https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1424703105027936263
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August 10, 2021 9:09am
Southern Raider

A solution to climate change, power black outs and a leftie windup

The new Ford 150 Lightening is promoted as being able to power an average family house for a couple of days during a blackouts, plus looks like a massive Ute
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August 10, 2021 9:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

Will the Nats put up candidates in the Māori electorates?
https://www.teaomaori.news/maori-vote-may-be-crucial-nationals-redemption
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August 10, 2021 9:17am
- cmm
  
  Wouldn’t they get more support if they just stood more firmly on abolishing Maori seats?
  
  Maori seats might have had a good reason to be there when they were introduced, but that reason no longer applied after universal male suffrage was introduced: 19 December 1879.
  
  For over 140 years we have kept this little trough open for no valid reason.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:52am
  - oldfella
    
    cmm, this is a good example of the Nats trying to be ‘Labour-lite’. At which they’re succeeding.
    It’s why I’ll again vote ACT if the Nats don’t sort themselves out before the next election.
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:23am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      oldfella, I think you and I will be supporting a party which is going to get about 20% of the votes, and effectively be National’s path to power.
      
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      August 10, 2021 12:25pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The trough has got a lot worse with Maori coalescing as a caucus and Mahuta acting as if she is an independent.
    Maori work to the spirit of Maui which means trickery is an acceptable cultural practice. It runs throughout the Pacific (and China) so deceit is advantage to be used.
    Maori activists are on the rise attempting to fill the vacuum left by the past generation. Some even want to bring back utu.
    With the admixtures of the ethnicities now the separate seats are a hindrance.
    
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    August 10, 2021 1:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s a crisis, folks

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126021361/fresh-warning-from-transpower–electricity-crisis-not-over
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August 10, 2021 9:19am
- surfing
  
  Jacinda will blame national.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:23am
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://twitter.com/JaneMorganNZ1/status/1424826360187392035
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:30am
- cmm
  
  The silly girl is says “It’s not acceptable”.
  
  Well guess what girlie, this is the obvious result of your policies.
  
  You may as well throw a stone into the sky and say it is not acceptable if it falls down again.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:19am
  - BananaLlama
    
    I absoludly refude gravidy.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:23am
  - oldfella
    
    cmm, this is the same [deleted] who made the ‘Captain’s call’ which screwed 0ur oil and gas industries. What a princess!
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:26am
- BananaLlama
  
  I refude this.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:21am
Cassandra

The climate alarmists will be out in force after the latest IPCC report. A degree warmer since 1900. Not in Twizel but then I suppose not too many Geneva based bureaucrats visit Twizel. The report is full of maybes and possiblies with a sprinkling of mights. And of course they’re absolutely right – we do not know. NZ should be a fast follower. Don’t panic, Captain Mainwaring!
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August 10, 2021 9:25am
- oldfella
  
  IPCC: If we don’t take urgent action, the world will perish in the next 10 years!
  Al Gore: I’ve been saying that for the last 30 years!
  
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  August 10, 2021 11:28am
Tall Man

Yesterday in the “National Board Elections” thread, the following was posted by mark ..

“Probably,we have had the most successful response to covid in the world”

Now what that has to do with the National Party conference elections is beyond me but I’ll respond to the childish attempt at an insult anyway.

I’ve always thought naivety was difficult to spot but absolute stupidity makes itself known immediately.

According to my numbers, 4,200,000 people have died from covid in the entire world since early last year.

Also according to my numbers 3,900,000 people died in the entire world in 2017 from respiratory disease so it looks like “covid” may have replaced “respiratory” as a cause of death.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-number-of-deaths-by-cause?country=~OWID_WRL

The only way to actually measure the impact of covid will be by measuring excess deaths which will take a year or so.

If you think that “our response” is among the best in the world that says more about you than you realise and again, measurement of the quality of the response will take a year or 3 before it can be accurately assessed.

As many have pointed out, vaccination is not the magic bullet and elderly and at risk still seem to be dying vaccinated or not. “Positives” are not cases, despite what the media tells you and due to the poor testing regimes throughout the world, actual case numbers are hard to find.

Finally, I’d rather be short than stupid.
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August 10, 2021 9:39am
- Mark
  
  You may not be one but you are definitely the other .I am in Aus at the moment on a short term contract,I doubt you watch the news ,cos as we all know it is bought and paid for by the govt,so in your infinite wisdom you will not let your mind be sullied by inconvenient facts.Frankly it is a shit show,Gladys ,whom your hero Hosking held up as an exemplar of good practice has blown it big time .People are behaving absolutely stupidly ,a lot of right wingers who are not believing there is a virus one in particular has gone about for 4 days mixing ang mingling and sending his 4 kids to school.Crikey some one more dopier than you,who would have thunk it.Any how where would you rather be boyo ,pray tell.I await with bated breath .
  
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  August 10, 2021 8:34pm
WaynelSexton

Less than nothing
That’s what the Pfizer vaccine does, according to a large Pfizer-funded study
https://techstartups.com/2021/08/03/new-pfizers-funded-study-45000-patients-conducted-6-months-found-15-deaths-vaccinated-people-versus-14-deaths-unvaccinated-placebo-group/
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August 10, 2021 9:54am
Happychappy

COVID-19 Coronavirus: Ministry of Health cleared Rio de la Plata to enter Ports of Taurunga, says Maritime New Zealand.
Dispite knowing it was connected to a Australian Covid – 19 case, Maritime New Zealand says.
So the question is why did the Ministry of Health approve it with more than 85 unvaccinated Port workers boarding the ship .
This is under paywall but again we see Dr Ashley Bloomfield and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern blaming others before themselves.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-coronavirus-tauranga-port-workers-angry-over-shambolic-approach-to-rio-de-la-plata-container-ship/RNJJW5KRXNEKFJ4DGJ5CK7V77M/
I can point out several lies that have been told in the past week but the voter is still fawning over Jacinda and Ashley every day know mater what they do or say.
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August 10, 2021 10:00am
- Tall Man
  
  I very much doubt there are many fawning voters left enamoured with ardern, despite what the media try to tell you.
  
  Ask when you are out and about and you may be surprised.
  
  Now I’m not saying that National are home and hosed for 2023 as the media is still firmly focussed on portraying them as negatively as they can but, people are realising that all is not what is seems and I’m with Sir Bob on this.
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:26am
  - cmm
    
    A wedding or another sprog will get them in line again.
    
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    August 10, 2021 10:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      Hopefully not.
      
      Isn’t there a potential issue for the ovaries with the vaccination?
      
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      August 10, 2021 11:02am
- Stu2
  
  I saw one report that 80+ port workers were connected with the ship, then subsequent reports said boarded the ship
  
  Can’t see any reason for lots of port workers to board a container ship they are unloading, suspect the media has muddled this
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:32pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Perhaps not. Somebody has to undo the Twist Locks on each corner of every container (the device that locks stacked containers together). Someone also has to remove the tensioning bars that hold stacks of containers together and someone also has to disconnect refrigerated containers from electrical supply boxes. However, in saying this, I’m not sure which if any of these tasks are done by ship’s crew. ‘Master Mariner (KB poster)’ could best answer this.
    
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    August 10, 2021 1:58pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Wharfies do it. Ships are so lightly manned these days there is no way they could do it.
      
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      August 10, 2021 2:23pm
      - Nickc2
        
        TKS
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:52pm
      - Stu2
        
        If that is the case, the low vaccinaation rates among those port workers are a crime
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No power? Nuclear, or south Venezuela here we come
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August 10, 2021 10:17am
Suze Wainwright

Will the coming interest rate hikes affect womin of color disproportionately?
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August 10, 2021 10:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  So?
  How?
  Is interest selective, does it have mathematical persona?
  Are womin Ministers of the Crown, tearful because of the performance failures?
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:38pm
Maggie Pie

Blowed if I know why more people don’t install underfloor-heating.

A couple of years back, our power went out late one night in the middle of winter for about 5 hours, when a car hit a power pole in Shore Rd.

We didn’t even realise anything had happened until the next morning, when I noticed all the clocks in the kitchen were flashing 2:37am.
Yet all the floors were still warm due to the retained heat nd the whole house was still at 24 deg.

Just saying.
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August 10, 2021 10:29am
- grumpy
  
  Maybe a call out could go to all EV users when a blackout is approaching. They all drive to the top of the closest hill (bad luck Auckland) with whatever battery power they have left and free wheel down generating electricity into the grid………..
  
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  August 10, 2021 11:19am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Because it is very expensive to run and inefficient, also most people are not wealthy retired boomers that can afford $400+ a month power Bill’s and then humble brag about it.
  Maybe that’s why.
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:59pm
BeaB

I have turned mine off and halved my power bill. Far too expensive.
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August 10, 2021 10:38am
- Tall Man
  
  When someone else is paying nothing is too expensive Bea …….
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:47am
  - grumpy
    
    Mine is electric and works off the solar panels. Just a big battery really.
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      Cost to install?
      
      Time to “payback”?
      
      How many pensioners can afford to install such a system.
      
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      August 10, 2021 12:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Have you got the ‘Hydronic’ system installed BB?
  
  The Radiators are fab!
  
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  August 10, 2021 10:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    Should work really well when the power’s out 😉
    
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    August 10, 2021 11:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Hydronic????
    
    You’re not growing something in the basement, are you Maggie?
    
    Is under-the-floor heating any use in the southern part of the country? Any Kiwibloggerites down this way using it?
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:48pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Look at me, my name is Maggie. I’m considerably more wealthy than You! Ha ha ha.
    
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    August 10, 2021 1:01pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Look at me, my name is Maggie. My partner is considerably more wealthy than you! Ha ha ha.
      
      There, fixed it for you.
      
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      August 10, 2021 4:32pm
Aunty

Some Thai hospitals are starting to buckle under the strain of Delta. Like Australia and other parts of Asia, Thailand had done remarkably well in keeping Covid under control, but the Delta variant has changed the situation on the ground dramatically.

Of course, the damage to the economy there due to the collapse of the international tourism industry has been immense (~20% of the Thai economy). They don’t have the welfare system that we do, so many Thai who used to work in tourism or who relied directly or indirectly on tourism for their livelihoods are in real trouble.

Rates of poverty are through the roof, and many people are literally surviving on food parcels handed out by various charities! And forget about having money to pay for your rent, who has that when you are out of a job and your town or city is in lockdown.

https://twitter.com/BenchaMFP/status/1420750352488407047
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August 10, 2021 11:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Wow, did you see 41 people died from covid yesterday in Thailand. That’s incredible, especially when you consider Thailand averages 1600 deaths per day (Road deaths are over 12,000 pa) …….. especially when on average almost 8 people die from poor quality drinking water every day……
  
  Despite what the tourists see, Thailand is still a poor country but GDP only dropped by 6.5% ish in 2020 so 10% ish from the previous year.
  
  As an aside, ever wondered why in many western countries the death rate is increasing but in thrid world countries falling?
  
  https://knoema.com/atlas/topics/Demographics/Mortality/Crude-death-rate
  
  It could be that the bulk of the refugees are old and sick and are coming to the west before dying ….. but I don’t think so.
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:21pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  “Thailand had done remarkably well in keeping Covid under control, but the Delta variant has changed the situation on the ground dramatically.”
  
  Hmmmm, I wonder why after a whole year of no Covid in Thailand that there has now suddenly been a massive surge of it, starting on the 6th of April… I’m sure the world “authorities” will say that it is just a pure coincidence that they started mass vaccinations at that exact same time ?
  
  “The damage to the economy there due to the collapse of the international tourism industry has been immense.”
  
  “Lockdowns should not be the primary means of controlling Coronavirus. Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.” – David Nabarro, World Health Organization
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNOxl6kH4QQ&t=623s
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:33pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    re making poor people poorer, that could well be why the political elites are lockdown aficionados. poor people are desperate for help, and the elites are desperate for their votes.
    
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    August 10, 2021 1:34pm
- Aurelia
  
  Hey Aunty, Thailand could always save lives with Ivermecrin. You know like most states of India have been doing for the last 9 weeks
  
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  August 10, 2021 3:59pm
oldfella

Banned by Twitter for saying Laurel Hubbard is still a man…
Caitlyn Jenner is a man. Caitlyn Jenner did not run as an Olympian, Bruce Jenner did. He ran, set records, won awards, and only late in life decided he was a she. But he is not, even as he has altered his appearance, changed his name, and the world has retconned Caitlyn into Bruce’s life as the first woman to win all sorts of Olympic prizes in men’s events.
Elliot Page is a woman. Elliot did not appear in the movie Juno. Ellen did. Elliot did not play a pregnant teen. Ellen did. The world has retconned Elliot into the movie as if Elliot always was, but though Ellen Page has legally changed her name to a masculine name, Elliot is still a female.
Likewise, Laurel Hubbard remains a man.
https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/i-stand-by-my-tweet
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August 10, 2021 12:03pm
- Batman
  
  Breaking: Old Man Yells at Cloud.
  
  People should mind their own business and opinions rather than putting their preferences onto others.
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:07pm
  - oldfella
    
    Batty, if we all did that, it would be the end of KB. 😉
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:15pm
    - Batman
      
      Hahahaha well that’s true!
      
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      August 10, 2021 1:23pm
  - Adroit
    
    Yep, what does the collective wellbeing and sanity of our society have to do with you, oldfella? Mind your biz. s/
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:21pm
    - Batman
      
      Letting kids grow up to be their true selves is far better for them, rather than others trying to fit them into a pre-determined box defined by religion (ironically, made up stories)
      
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      August 10, 2021 1:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Oh FFS, and you accuse me of dramatics.
        
        An 8 year old doesn’t know what their favourite cereal is let alone whether they want the bits they have between their legs.
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:01pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Biological man that altered his body chemistry with drugs then sliced off his cock to pretend to be woman – true self.
        
        Mentally I’ll man with gender dysphoria, showboating to get attention – not true self.
        
        Got it.
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:07pm
      - Nickc2
        
        It’s not just religious parents that would attempt to deter their kids from gender change. Who knows, the kid may change its mind the next day and want to be a Front End Loader or even a Fire Engine. Parents are the best adjudicators of what’s good for their kids. Once kids leave home, they can be whatever they like, can’t they?
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So you’re in favour of censorship and closing down blogs ….
    
    Who’d a thought that?
    
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    August 10, 2021 12:22pm
    - Batman
      
      Oh don’t be so dramatic, it’s far too early in the day for your more creative thoughts, TM!
      
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      August 10, 2021 1:26pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Consider the nerve touched eh Batman….
        
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        August 10, 2021 2:02pm
- I remember when
  
  Hope she is going to retire as has been suggested.
  Don’t want her to become a ‘cereal’ offender.
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:37pm
oldfella

Snubbing friends to look at a phone linked to mental health issues, certain personality traits
With smartphones and social media being a constant presence in the lives of so many people, it’s safe to say most people have at some point snubbed a friend to look at their phone instead. Researchers from the University of Georgia say people generally view the act of “phubbing” as rude, yet plenty of phone users still do it. So what’s driving people to ignore the friends they’re face-to-face with in favor of staring at a digital screen? A new study finds mental health and certain personality traits play a big role in social rudeness.
https://www.studyfinds.org/snubbing-friends-mental-health/
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August 10, 2021 12:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Punch a chap in the head and kill him…

Stay home for 6 months.

No.. that’s not A JOKE!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/448851/mma-fighter-fau-vake-attack-man-sentenced-to-home-detention
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August 10, 2021 12:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  Of course it’s a joke, a sick joke perpetrated on NZ and most right thinking people of the world.
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:23pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Tell your 12yr old the garbage they have been reading on the net is not true and they don’t need puberty blockers get 5 years in the slammer.
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:28pm
- Jack5
  
  The sentence is disgraceful. Must be from a judge who lives safely in a leafy suburb, blissfully out of touch with the night violence in our cities and towns.
  
  The victim, who later died, was held tightly by another person while this thug punched him in the head three times.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/448851/mma-fighter-fau-vake-attack-man-sentenced-to-home-detention
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:41pm
- Yabster
  
  well thats a weak sentence- pathetic.
  
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  August 10, 2021 12:44pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We are now living with the threat of constant violence as this govermints mad polices on laura norder order continue to bite Maggs…
  
  Aotearoa New Zealand: The Free Range Asylum
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:26pm
- MCos
  
  While in no way expressing an opinion on the sentence the article clearly says that although punched Fau Vake he wasn’t the guy who killed him.
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, it doesn’t say that ..
    
    It states:
    Neither the Crown nor the defence contended that Folau was responsible for Fau’s death.
    
    We know that Vake delivered the first 3 punches to Fau’s head… other folks subsequently punched him in the head.
    
    Clearly the Crown and the defence can’t prove which punch was the Killer blow…but in all likelihood, each blow to the head was a step on the way to death.
    
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    August 10, 2021 2:25pm
    - MCos
      
      If the Crown had considered Folau had contributed to Fau Vake’s death he would have been charged with manslaughter.
      Someone else has been charged with manslaughter. From what I understand he hit Vake who then fell to the ground and smacked his head on the concrete causing his death a week later.
      
      Folau was convicted of “assaulting with intent to injure”.
      I would suggest hundreds of people in our fair land are assaulted every night in such a manner without death resulting.
      
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      August 10, 2021 4:15pm
      - Jack5
        
        …hundreds of people in our fair land are assaulted every night in such a manner without death resulting …
        
        That’s drivel, MCos. Hundreds assaulted with intent to injure every night in NZ?
        
        You must live in the same leafy suburb as the judge, and think the rest of us aren’t entitled to law and order.
        
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        August 10, 2021 4:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        A hit to the head can cause quite different damage than a hit to other parts of your body.
        
        Swelling and bruising of the brain is often not noticeable in the first minutes after a ~~king-hit,~~ coward-punch but over a period of 24 hours, the brain can start swelling and/or bleeding.
        That’s the reason some folks are calling for a change to our assault laws to recognize the seriousness of a punch to the head.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/442871/renewed-calls-for-coward-s-punch-law-change-after-pro-fighter-attacked
        
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        August 10, 2021 6:42pm
  - Yabster
    
    he contributed as much as the rest- get your socialist blinkers off ffs
    
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    August 10, 2021 3:19pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80VwZKAGo4w

Japan to place missiles in Ishigaki islet to protect Taiwan!

As per reports, Japan’s defense ministry is planning to deploy missile units on an island 300 kilometers or around 185 miles off the coast of Taiwan. The objective is to counter China’s growing naval presence in the area and defend against a potential Chinese attack. The Japan News on Aug 3, reported that Tokyo intends to deploy Ground Self-Defense Force (GSDF) missile units on the island of Ishigaki, which is only 306 km from Taoyuan Taiwan International Airport. [8:23.]
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August 10, 2021 12:28pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Interesting.
  Ishigaki is not far from Kadena AFB on Okinawa so coverage from that AFB will overlap.
  
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  August 10, 2021 2:33pm
curry4me

https://trendingpolitics.com/former-trump-lawyer-jenna-ellis-joins-chorus-calling-on-gop-to-talk-up-biden-impeachment-for-multiple-offenses/

Biden Impeachment Efforts.

Jenna Ellis, a former attorney for the 2020 campaign of then-President Donald Trump, has become the latest leading conservative to call on Republicans to push for impeaching President Joe Biden for “multiple” constitutional cases of abuse.
In comments to Newsmax TV on Saturday, Ellis pointed to Biden’s border policies, which including allowing tens of thousands of migrants into the country illegally, including many testing positive for COVID, while ignoring a Supreme Court order barring eviction moratoriums as reasons why Republicans should begin talking about impeachment even though they are currently in the minority in Congress.
Biden’s immigration policies are particularly egregious, Ellis said.
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August 10, 2021 12:29pm
- MCos
  
  Jenna Ellis resigned from the Republican Party a month ago. Why should they listen to her?
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:51pm
Critical Thinker

“We thought we detected COVID, but it turns out it was just a load of shit!” ?

CCP Stooge Daniel Andrews Locked Down Regional Victoria for 4 Days Over Wangaratta Sewage Test Misinformation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbtL1ju_oMY
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August 10, 2021 12:55pm
lifesgood

16 people on the Tamaki Link bus. 8 wearing masks. Two fingered salute, Jacinda
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August 10, 2021 1:02pm
cmm

A few days later another ridiculous teen crash in South Island

This time it is 7 in a wee car (inc 1 in the boot). Restricted driver etc etc.

“The mentality of this person is beyond comprehension,” Snr Sgt Dinnissen said.

“There is no reason whatsoever that you should be sticking six people in a car when it’s fit for four.”

Ummm, just the woman? She didn’t put them in the car, they GOT IN by themselves. They are all complicit in this, but, as the driver she will cop the most of the blame.

Same with the kids who died on the week end. They are all at fault. Stop the bullshit crying for sweet innocent kids. They did dumb stuff and should accept the consequences.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/woman-in-boot-of-car-injured-in-dunedin-crash/AHC3CPUCY5NEW4BRGBSS53PPHM/
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August 10, 2021 1:04pm
- Ehlana
  
  cmm, the kids in the car have accepted the consequences. They have died.
  
  They made dumb choices, but so do many people, over the course of their lives, through ignorance, weakness or deliberately. Most of us are lucky enough to get away with it. They were not.
  
  It is not bullshit to cry for them. Their families and friends have suffered a shocking loss and need to mourn them. Their lives were not only their last poor choice – there were other times too and those who mourn will naturally want to recall and share those memories.
  
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  August 10, 2021 4:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    Are we confusing two car accidents here?
    
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    August 10, 2021 4:39pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I can recall ordering a taxi for 6 pax in Bangkok. Driver turned up in a Corolla. We fitted in. Probably safer than 3 tuktuks. We all do some dumb things and usually get away with 5hem.
  
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  August 10, 2021 9:20pm
I remember when

TY 3 ‘The Project’: Helen Petousis-Harris:
The blurb before the programme was that she would settle any conspiracy theories.
Question one asked about the ‘ever changing’ recommended time between Jab one and two.
“We are still learning as we go.”
On dangers associated with catching covid after being immunised.
“Information from the US gives us great confidence.”
So we are happy to accept favourable data from the States about dangers of infections after immunisation.
However, we have to do our own research about timing between injections.
As we have no covid (other than in MIQ) in New Zealand how are we going to do that.
Anyone told they would be in touch to test them for the generation of antibodies?
Perhaps the time between jabs depends on research into how much vaccine is in New Zealand.
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August 10, 2021 1:13pm
lifesgood

Now 28 on the Tamaki link. Still only 8 with masks. What a farce.
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August 10, 2021 1:14pm
I remember when

“Extremely bad taste’: Kiwis enraged at Greta Thunberg over her tweet targeting NZ’s greenhouse gas emissions.”
There was one good outcome from the tweet.
On the 12 o’clock TV News Jacinda told the truth.
As a food producing nation we have some real difficulties when reducing emissions.
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August 10, 2021 1:26pm
Rusty

So lets get this right, two vaccine jabs in your arm wont prevent a person getting covid but only reduces the chances of getting the virus?

Meaning annually for the next couple of years or 10 years or the rest of your life 1-2 vaccine jabs will be required to sort of prevent you catching covid or the new variant strains that are bound to arise.

And the anti-vaxers or people who don’t like needles stuck in their arms will be treated like outcasts in society or ridiculed or at worst put in detention type areas away from the normal people — think I’m joking?
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August 10, 2021 1:31pm
Prince

Deborah Russell (Labour MP, yeah who knew), has a ‘don’t you know who I am’ moment.

Dr Deborah Russell MP ?
@BeeFaerie
Hey, @FlyAirNZ, the flight from Auckland touched down at 3pm then we sat on the tarmac for 15 minutes and at 3.40pm the luggage still hasn’t made it to the belt. Stuff happens but… is there a reason?

Air NZ, obviously following Labour MP’s, grovels in response…
Air New Zealand✈️ @FlyAirNZ
Replying to @BeeFaerie
Kia ora Deborah, we’re sorry to hear that your bags still haven’t come through yet ? Are you able to DM us your flight details? We’ll see if we can follow up with our Airport team for you. ^DS

All animals are equal, but…
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August 10, 2021 1:33pm
- Batman
  
  You know this is possible for anyone who writes a reasonable request on twitter right?
  
  I’ve done it dozens of times and got results from everyone from my power company to Air NZ itself. And I’m obviously a nobody.
  
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  August 10, 2021 1:42pm
- hilaryt
  
  This MP didn’t bother to respond to my civil email after she protested against Speak Up For Women with Foster et al. She believes trans men are women so I don’t take her PhD seriously. Sadly she occupies a well-paid spot in Parliament…for now.
  
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  August 10, 2021 3:06pm
I remember when

The UK Government Office for Gas and Electricity Markets is allowing suppliers to raise prices by 153 pounds per year from October.
This means millions of Great British homes face their highest energy bills in a decade.
The hike will coincide with ending of the job support furlough scheme and the temporary 20 pounds per week boost to benefits.
Real Time Power Mix GB:
36.1% Gas, 18.7% Nuclear, 18.5% Wind, 17.1% Imports, 9.2% Biomass, .3% Hydro.
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August 10, 2021 2:07pm
wilderbeast

What money Dr Ashley Dolittle, I mean Bloomfield, to be stand for Labour at the next election or one after?
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August 10, 2021 2:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  And take a huge drop in salary? I think not.
  
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  August 10, 2021 3:28pm
krazykiwi

Are Ardern and Bloomfield listening?

Britain needs to STOP counting Covid infections as pandemic phase slowly fizzles out or numbers will remain ‘high for our lifetimes’, expert warns
– Professor Paul Hunter said the virus behind Covid will never be eradicated
– Instead, it will become endemic and circulate for generations, he claimed
– Scientists believe the virus will eventually morph into one that causes a cold
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Professor Paul Hunter, an infectious disease expert at the University of East Anglia, warned the numbers — which reflect the number of people testing positive every day — will ‘remain high for our lifetimes’.

He suggested the UK should start to care only about hospitalisation figures, which will peter out to ‘very low numbers’ in the next stage of the epidemic.
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August 10, 2021 2:33pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Very interesting! Makes eminent sense too, though it’s hard to swim against the tide of fearful believers. At our work Xmas party I casually remarked that it was likely to be with us forever, much like the flu, and a lockdown regime would eventually have to give way to something approaching acceptance of risk. Well golly gee, I was accused of all sorts of crimes, including the worst of all: I was accused in shrill tones of being a “covid denier!”…despite it being implicit in my argument that covid exists. But hey….
  
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  August 10, 2021 3:25pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Covid has become a new religion for many. The basic tenets of impending damnation, obedience to the orthodoxy bringing redemption for the sinful, and violent damning of the heretics are all there.
    
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    August 10, 2021 3:42pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    BTW, even the Covid lockdown shill Professor Neil Ferguson said this week: “Yes, my prediction was off . . . we’ll learn to live with Covid”
    
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    August 10, 2021 3:47pm
- Stu2
  
  Infections are still very relevant here, just look at the 356 cases in NSW today and their hospitalisation, ICU and death numbers. And they are a touch ahead of us in vaccinations
  
  The UK has a vaccination rate over three times ours (58% fully vaccinated, 11% partially vaccinated on Aug 7). We won’t be there for months
  
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  August 10, 2021 3:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Are Ardern and Bloomfield listening?”
  Nope, they do not listen, they do the telling
  
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  August 10, 2021 5:08pm
Bobba Fret

It’s already Tuesday and there has not been an armed response incident yet this week………wait……
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/one-seriously-hurt-in-south-auckland-shooting-roads-closed-armed-police-responding/EVC4N2SCNE7NTZW44LVLCHLFSE/
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August 10, 2021 2:55pm
lazza

Who gives a shite … about US politics.

Have we not got enough to occupy ourselves back here in “Aotearoa” … “NZ” for the uninitiated.
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August 10, 2021 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We don’t have politics in NZ, we have blaming, duck shoving, incompetent limousine liberals who do not know what they are doing, and who think they own us.
  You know – important people //
  
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  August 10, 2021 5:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun. Obama’s party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdo8EUk98o
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August 10, 2021 5:31pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

From JoNova:
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/08/tuesday-open-thread-68-2/#comments

This is horrifying if true. Govt pushing (almost to the point of compelling many) vaccination on people that have had the disease when it lowers their protection and also threatens their life.

“FDA Review of Efficacy and Safety of Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine Emergency Use Authorization Request

https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download

Look at page 25 – 2 dose data and page 30 – 1 dose data.

In the FDA’s own approval review using PFizer testing data they clearly were aware that:

Natural immunity had 7.1% better efficacy (compared to 2 dose vaccine) and 17.9% better efficacy(compared to 1 dose vaccine). Despite knowing this it was full steam ahead.”
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August 10, 2021 5:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Words of wisdom, but the leftie trolls will say “Steve posted another weird link”
1. how many businesses shut down or went under in the last 18 months, but NO Govt departments folded?
2. Dentists closed down but abortion clinics stay open.
Go for it, there is more.
You stupid stupid people, this is NOT about your health.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DO37UOdhlCjG/?
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August 10, 2021 6:16pm
CAKE FACE1

“Aotearoa” is hurtling towards Third World status at an alarming rates.

A couple more election wins for the socialists will ensure that the latest power cuts aren’t a one-off.

To win consistently, the left just needs to get out all of their troughers and welfare dependents to turn up and vote socialist.

The average person doesn’t seem to realise how much danger “Aotearoa” is currently in?
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August 10, 2021 6:20pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  One of the girls from tennis fave sayings…
  Socialism is economic steroids.
  Amazing short term results.
  Long term devastation and addiction.
  
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  August 10, 2021 6:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Must be you know who ….. 2009 speech
    
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    August 10, 2021 6:56pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Nice to have a day on KB GD with minimal COVID & Trump
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August 10, 2021 8:29pm
ABS4EVA

Is it just the Mongrel Mob who get a Back Hander
or is it every other bunch of scum.

Who get hard working Tax payers money
from the Scum bags.
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