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krazykiwi

Ardern’s Mob: Government advisory group says borders can open in 2022 without forgoing elimination strategy

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Head of Oxford Vaccine Group: Delta variant renders herd immunity from Covid ‘mythical’

Reaching herd immunity is “not a possibility” with the current Delta variant, the head of the Oxford Vaccine Group has said. Giving evidence to MPs on Tuesday, Prof Sir Andrew Pollard said the fact that vaccines did not stop the spread of Covid meant reaching the threshold for overall immunity in the population was “mythical”.

“The problem with this virus is [it is] not measles. If 95% of people were vaccinated against measles, the virus cannot transmit in the population,” he told the all-party parliamentary group (APPG) on coronavirus. “The Delta variant will still infect people who have been vaccinated. And that does mean that anyone who’s still unvaccinated at some point will meet the virus … and we don’t have anything that will [completely] stop that transmission.”

Ardern’s government claims to “follow the science”.

This is patently false.

They follow the polls.

Liars and charlatans, all of them.
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August 11, 2021 8:00am
- Simon
  
  Herd immunity must be achieved by transmitting the virus
  
  Þórólfur Guðnason is the epidemiologist of Iceland
  The epidemiologist believes that it is now necessary to try to achieve herd immunity to the coronary virus by letting it continue, but to try to prevent serious illness by protecting vulnerable groups. He says the goal at this point may not be to eradicate the virus from society.
  
  One and a half months after the abolition of all domestic operations, a record number of people have been diagnosed infected in recent weeks, despite the fact that the majority of the population has been vaccinated.
  
  Þórólfur Guðnason said in Sprengisandur in Bylgjan this morning that it is disappointing that herd immunity has not been achieved with vaccination. He says that only one other way is able to achieve herd immunity, to allow the virus to spread throughout the community.
  
  https://www.visir.is/g/20212140884d/na-thurfi-hjardonaemi-med-thvi-ad-lata-veiruna-ganga
  
  Ro vax the vulnerable, have the meds available for treatment, (we all know they work), isolate the vulnerable and open up. The vax has a shelf life – need to open up quickly and the boosters ready for the olds.
  
  Ro vax passports also are medically redundant. The ro can still be carried and passed on by those who have been vaxxed. Got a ro vaxx passport? So what.
  
  Zero covid ignores all other health, economic & personal freedom considerations and ultimately relies upon the army patrolling the streets. Look at those zero covid creeps in Wellington they will have the military option ready.
  
  The other thing is the incompetent scum in Wellington will know the above. Including National. To be dishonest about what is happening in ro vaxxed countries is as anti-science as you can get.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:09am
  - krazykiwi
    
    We have two root problems:
    
    1. The government has spent 18 months deliberately terrifying (and lying to) the population about the impact of infections.
    
    2. The government can’t change tack without admitting they got it wrong.
    
    Point 2 is the differentiator between strong and weak leadership.
    
    Strong leadership fronts up, and says the situational knowledge has changed, and therefore we must change our approach. Weak leadership, of the type Ardern exhibits in spades, is to double down and line, spin and obfuscate.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:27am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      And to throw anyone in their sights under the bus – KFC worker (following MoH advice), security workers, business, farmers, their own ministry staff to name but a few.
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:49am
      - sooty
        
        Don’t forget the port workers they threw off the wharf!
        
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        August 11, 2021 10:47am
    - cmm
      
      And that is also exactly why energy issues will not be addressed either.
      
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      August 11, 2021 11:01am
    - Jimbob
      
      KK and Simon are spot on. ?
      
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      August 11, 2021 12:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Spin? That is why I call her ‘Jaspinda’
      
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      August 11, 2021 5:26pm
  - gravedodger
    
    I am left understanding that the Vaccine (it is not it is a treatment that enables a degree of assistance to a human dealing with infections) will assist many threatened Pts in avoiding threats to life and ICU admissions. It is zero about “elimination”, “extinction”, it may produce a degree of allowing it to acceptably run its course as many other virus do in time.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes see my separate comment. I’m beyond angry.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Staggering isn’t it? To commit New Zealanders to indefinite managed isolation, and to maintain their Zero Covid™ elimination strategy is utterly bereft of science. I’m really at a loss.
    
    National, ACT: Time to call this government on their lies and imperviousness to scientific truth. Now would be good.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:22am
    - mandk
      
      No need to be at a loss, kk.
      
      The reason why the Ardern gov’t is doing this is obvious.
      
      Keeping fear of COVID front and centre of the minds of the populace is the only weapon Ardern & Co have.
      
      They have been absolutely fucking useless (technical term) at virtually everything else they have tried.
      
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      August 11, 2021 8:28am
      - Nickc2
        
        Methinks Covid-19 is the scam to replace MM Climate Change. People are more easily managed when scared and dependant on their Govts for leadership and direction.
        
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        August 11, 2021 9:45am
    - Clownworld
      
      The problem with National and Act is they are complicit in the same narrative. “Get the vaccine or else.”
      
      The continual relentless push for the vaccine and the level of bile and hatred spewed against those who legitimately ask good questions makes one wonder whatever happened to logic, reasoned debate, thoughtful consideration and patience when dealing with complex issues.
      
      Some questions that need attention.
      
      1) Where is the scientific proof of the isolated virus?
      2) Which scientific studies prove lockdowns, curfews, anti-social distancing, masks eliminate or reduce viral spread work? And to what extent?
      3) Why do big tech censor so much?
      
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      August 11, 2021 10:36am
      - Sede Vacante
        
        If nothing else, leaving aside competing and conflicting graphs and data that one may present, the fact that a good faith debate will not be entered into and critics are dismissed and shunned tells you without a shadow of a doubt that an agenda is being implemented, one which is not being made explicit. Moreover, whenever the official line changes – which is very often – it is changed in unison across all institutions and jurisdictions.
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:20pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      Good luck hoping that the Nats will do anything. They have become spineless, Luxon being a prime example. If he is the next leader, they have no chance. He’s another Muller.
      Judith is a one-woman show and has a spine but is not being allowed to reveal it by the likes of DPF, another disaster.
      
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      August 11, 2021 11:43am
- hullkiwi
  
  Krazykiwi, without stating the blindingly obvious, the release of Skeggs report last night was a piece of political sidestepping the bad press.
  
  It is a report that tells us, what most of us have always expected regarding foreign travel, vaccines and MIQ, so it is no surprise.
  
  But what it has done, has moved Megan’s problem of Monday off the front pages of most of the newspapers. Or as we say, “look over there, a squirrel!”
  
  This is why government is awash with spinmeisters. Clearly, Ardern learnt her politics well in London, when the 9/11 event was used by the Transport Secretary’s PR advisor (Jo Moore) to bury bad news.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:16am
  - redeye
    
    You are correct hullkiwi. The article essentially says so.
    
    The Strategic Covid-19 Public Health Advisory Group, led by Professor Sir David Skegg, has been delivering its advice to the Government since early June, with the report released to media on Wednesday. The group’s report consists of three letters of advice sent to the government on June 10, June 24 and July 27.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:28am
  - Nickc2
    
    A famous person (Churchill or Lincoln I think) once said “any politician who can’t make capital out of a catastrophe doesn’t deserve to be a politician”.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:54am
    - Happy1
      
      “Never trust a google search” Abe Lincoln
      
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      August 11, 2021 1:43pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Oh you are so right hull – and it’s us taxpayers paying for all her spin people costly a small fortune. This government should all be done for treason
    
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    August 11, 2021 1:36pm
  - Sacha
    
    But we can see the government now for what it is.
    We are not fooled by it any longer – hence the spines quietly stiffening through the country.
    And I think that the Groundswell folks are the outward sign –
    
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    August 11, 2021 2:28pm
- R
  
  Iceland’s chief epidemiologist recently suggested that herd immunity was a myth. That is no surprise given that Iceland is possibly the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, yet is seeing more Covid cases than when nobody was vaccinated.
  
  The trouble is, some people simply don’t like the truth.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:17am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    It is only the new WHO definition that is impossible to achieve, Taiwan at 2% vaccination level will be an interesting test case.
    Big pharma are laughing all the way to the bank.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:25am
  - kevn
    
    @r… So. Herd immunity seems to be working in Sweden.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:30am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      They are talking about herd immunity through vaccination rather than actually having Covid.
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:47am
      - Jack5
        
        Sweden has reached zero new cases per day of Covid-19, but there is debate within the country on whether it is safe from emerging new variants. (See link below.)
        
        Latest Covid-19 figures:
        
        Iceland:
        New cases 56.
        Total cases to date: 8,956.
        Total cases per “million” population: 26,059
        Total deaths: 30.
        Deaths per “million”:87
        
        Sweden:
        New cases: 0
        Total cases to date:1,106,821
        Total cases per million of population: 108,845
        Total deaths: 14,621
        Total deaths per million: 1,438
        
        New Zealand:
        New cases: 12
        Total cases to date: 2,902
        Total cases were million: 580
        Total deaths: 26
        Deaths per million: 5
        
        Experts debate whether Sweden has reached “herd immunity”:
        
        https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210714/e2809cHerd-immunitye2809d-not-responsible-for-Swedene28099s-control-of-COVID-19-say-researchers.aspx
        
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        August 11, 2021 10:49am
      - Sede Vacante
        
        Ah, yes. “New variants” are the gifts that keep giving, aren’t they. What’s more, their supply will never run out.
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re poster R’s reference to Iceland vaccination:
        
        At August 6 (last Friday), 74.8 per cent of people in Iceland had been fully vaccinated and 80.6 per cent had been fully vaccinated or partly vaccinated.
        
        It’s worth noting as well that on June 26 Iceland lifted all domestic Covid-19 restrictions and on July 1 lifted some restrictions at the borders, such as stopping tests of vaccinated passengers upon arrival.
        
        An official said Iceland didn’t have the manpower to test everyone arriving in the country.
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:47pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Ironically that is most true of NZ’s ministry of truth (both the govt and mainstream media branches)
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:51am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The goal posts for so called science keep changing.
  Back in June 2020 the WHO definition of immunity.
  “the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.”
  
  They then quietly changed it
  “a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.”
  So they literally handed herd immunity to big pharma on a plate.
  They now have their new WHO herd immunity in Israel into the third jab and dozens are testing positive.
  It is a fact if you catch this bad version of the flu, you have immunity. The Who have removed this to jab these people to put them back to the ability to be infectious again.
  You couldn’t make this shit up.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The pro-vaxx (and the ‘get an annual booster’) mob have been quick to dismiss Antibody-dependent Enhancement (ADE) in respect of the current vaccines.
    
    This is something I’m investigating as, and this is purely anecdotal, most of the people I know who get regular flu shots get the flu, and most of those I know who don’t get flu shots don’t get the flu. Is this ADE at work?
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:40am
    - Opie
      
      Krazy – I totally agree with this. Every year my wife gets the flu shot and within a couple of weeks gets a heavy cold or flu (call it what you will) that no one else in our household gets… she then gets it another 3 or 4 times during the winter. I barely get one winter bug these days and have never and will never get a flu shot.
      
      This year, after me showing her the yearly statistics of her illness vs flu shot she decided not to get one. You guessed it, not a sniffle to be seen!
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:27am
      - cmm
        
        “a heavy cold or flu (call it what you will)”
        
        Cmon. A heavy cold is not flu. Flu (influenza) is a specific set of diseases. It is incorrect to call a heavy cold a flu. This is not just a taste issue.
        
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        August 11, 2021 10:59am
      - Batman
        
        And following CMM:
        
        “This year, after me showing her the yearly statistics of her illness vs flu shot she decided not to get one. You guessed it, not a sniffle to be seen!”
        
        This is most likely coincidental given the reduced spread of seasonal influenza due to reduced global travel, quarantine measures, and mask wearing in spaces which transmit the flu most easily – buses, trains, confined spaces.
        
        It also may be something unique to your wife, and that she is just really susceptible to colds, which as cmm says, are not influenza.
        
        And also, anecdata and all that.
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:18pm
      - cmm
        
        Batty, the two major factors probably are:
        1) Everyone is far more sensitised to coughing/sneezing, so sick people are rather staying home than going to work etc.
        2) Hand washing.
        
        Wearing masks is only beneficial if people are actually coughing and sneezing. If they’re staying at home it’s pointless.
        
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        August 11, 2021 1:32pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        I have the opposite experience. I regularly get the flu jab, and some few years back for some reason I missed out (on holiday when the work jab was scheduled I think) and not only actually had the flu but also the worst series of colds I can recall.
        
        So anecdote, not a replacement for real data.
        
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        August 11, 2021 11:33pm
    - zulumonster
      
      “this is purely anecdotal, most of the people I know who get regular flu shots get the flu, and most of those I know who don’t get flu shots don’t get the flu.”
      Sounds weird – I almost always get the flu jab. The only year I didn’t get it I got 2 different strains of flu. That’s good enough for me, but each to their own.
      And I suspect many people who think they have had the flu actually haven’t. It can be pretty severe and some folk think a bad cold is the flu.
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:43am
      - zulumonster
        
        And I am not sure why my employer (a large organisation) and many others in NZ, would arrange for and cover the cost of annual flu vaccinations for all staff if the empirical evidence did not support them doing so. They will not be offering the jabs out of the goodness of their hearts …
        
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        August 11, 2021 10:53am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, what is commonly called “the flu” is pretty much never the flu but is a bad cold.
        
        But still the anecdote still stands: people get flu jabs and then get bad colds.
        
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        August 11, 2021 10:56am
      - krazykiwi
        
        zulumonster, You speak of rational actions. Yet we are increasingly living in a world were feeling trump rationality. In the case of employers, many will be offering jabs because they fear the backlash from not offering them. Efficacy will have little to do with it.
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:17pm
      - cmm
        
        zulu: “And I am not sure why my employer (a large organisation) and many others in NZ, would arrange for and cover the cost of annual flu vaccinations for all staff if the empirical evidence did not support them doing so.”
        
        Often it is to be seen to be doing the right thing, but even if there is a small payback it still helps.
        
        If a person gets flu (real flu, not a cold), then they’re going to be off work for at least a week. What’s the cost of losing a worker for a week? Probably a few thousand bucks. Cost of a flu shot is maybe $20. Therefore even if it has a 1% payback it is a win.
        
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        August 11, 2021 1:36pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Partner, kids and I get the flu shot every year. Have done for 10+ years now. None of us have had the flu since 2001 odd. I know, that’s 20 years. Long story why we started getting the shot.
        
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        August 11, 2021 5:27pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    A question from my friend
    Does the down ticker have shares in Big Pharma?
    They would be much better to invest in the local drug dealer, he will more likely show much more integrity.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:43am
- RockyJ
  
  What will happen when NZ reaches peak vaccination? Given that it now appears that being vaccinated means that you can still catch the virus, you just won’t get as sick.
  At the point we have vaccinated all who are willing, maybe 70% of the population, the government is then faced with the decision to open up the country and allow Covid in. Like the UK has done. Alternately to keep us locked up forever on the zero Covid strategy.
  My bet is the latter- keep us locked up until magic or whatever.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    “you can still catch the virus, you just won’t get as sick”
    
    You may be right but if you are highly vulnerable nothing will save you and for the rest, there are plenty of alternatives for both treatment and avoidance.
    
    If you are vulnerable and are scared, lock yourself away, just don’t ask me to do the same please.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:58am
    - sooty
      
      RockyJ, will the magic required be winning the next election?
      
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      August 11, 2021 10:53am
    - Observer of Life
      
      TM: Agree. Tired of us all being expected to lock away because of a few vulnerable. In fact it’s those that are vulnerable who appear to think we should all suffer for them. Over it.
      
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      August 11, 2021 5:30pm
  - Sede Vacante
    
    “Given that it now appears that being vaccinated means that you can still catch the virus, you just won’t get as sick.”
    
    The language is very important. “Being vaccinated” means that you have an immune response and so are protected from infection and illness. In contrast, simply having a shot in your arm is not the same as “being vaccinated.” Because people who have had their shots are still getting sick, it is clear that they are not vaccinated at all.
    
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    August 11, 2021 12:30pm
- Paulus
  
  No, not liars and charlatans – can’t be because Cindy our great leader is much more clever than the experts.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:39am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Liars and charlatans, all of them.
  
  “The rules are simple: They lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” – Elena Gorokhova
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:41am
- ABS4EVA
  
  All Left Wing Government are going to Continue
  to use COVID cynically for a POWER GRAB
  and POWER Trip.
  
  They are warming up FOR WORSE
  FAR Worse.
  
  These people are so deranged they think the Public
  Sector can still exist FINANCIALLY without the Private Sector being Taxed.
  
  They think if they destroy private business
  confiscate all private wealth they will still have solid tax base to tax for Donations to organisations like the Mongrel Mob
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:13am
Happychappy

Someone has to start holding this Government to account with the decisions they have made with results and failure of policy becoming a regular occurence.
The blame game by this Government is pathetic as it is the first form of rebuttal use for everything that goes wrong, with the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern the main culprit. It’s never her fault it’s alway others even though the latest problem was through a ‘Captains call ‘ made by herself the Prime Minister in closing down our gas fields around New Zealand.
Remember how she threw the young Lass who in the Prime Ministers view caused the breakout of some cases of Covid- 19 a few months ago that then was proved wrong and the Health Ministry was at fault, well no opology for the way the Prime Minister tried to crucify her and even though it was proved no attempt to except the blame.Then we have the latest saga on the 85 maritime worker who have not been vaccinated and with that we find out that many on the front line have still not been vaccinated, but again it is still not our Prime Minister’s fault it’s someone else’s.
It’s despicable that Jacinda Ardern the Green Leaders and the media find more time to criticize Judith Collins and National over their view on policy that is badly written and Irresponsible on the chance that law abiding citizens could be jailed for caring about their children who they are responsible for not the Government.
Labour needs to look at their own mistakes and start taking responsibility themselves over the problem that this Country found themselves in on Monday the 9th of August.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/judith-collins-calls-for-megan-woods-resignation-after-thousands-lose-power.html
Look again at the change of mind by our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern when the media tell her policy is hurting her image in the polls do about turn in Mental Health Policy and gift Mike Kings Gumboot Foundation $600 thousand.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/mike-king-gives-jacinda-ardern-rare-praise-after-gumboot-friday-handed-600-000-in-funding.amp.html
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August 11, 2021 8:00am
- Tricati
  
  Don’t hold your breath Happy, as there’s enough ammo around to sink the Bismark, but our bought MSM just won’t hold the government to account. If National or ACT speak out, the MSM spin it to make them look bad like Conversion Therapy debate over making parents liable for prosecution. Like you, I despair at the direction this country is going
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:42am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The headline should be: “Mike King shames Ardern into backing down and making a small donation to Gumboot Friday in a desperate attempt to deflect attention away from electricity debacle and plunging polls”.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:25am
KevO'Brien

Lockdowns again? If it’s good enough for the USA will it be revisited here?
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/08/10/tyranny-comes-to-america-cdc-proposes-concentration-camps-as-a-covid-measure/
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August 11, 2021 8:02am
- Frank the tank
  
  Wait till 2022. I think you’ll find a red wave crashing over suburbia will fundamentally change the landscape.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:28am
  - dcrane
    
    This assumes anything like normal elections ever happen again.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:59am
    - Clownworld
      
      Elections long ago became a simple tool for the globalists to win-win no matter which political party puppet won.
      
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      August 11, 2021 10:47am
      - Batman
        
        Clownworld is an apt name for this line of thinking.
        
        As for Frank’s red wave, is that like the 2018 ans 2020 red waves which it turned out to be outgoing tides?
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:25pm
- Batman
  
  Man, that Paul guy with his made-up institute is even nuttier than I expected.
  
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  August 11, 2021 12:23pm
Aunty

“Avoid investing in those countries with a high level of socialism or government regulation of business. Business growth depends on a strong free-enterprise system.”

“Socialism includes government ownership or extensive regulation of business. One of its
worst characteristics is that it empowers one small group of human beings to regulate the
interests of the majority.”

Sir John Templeton
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August 11, 2021 8:03am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Jacinda Kate Laurell Ardern is your classic socialist.
  I don’t believe she will get her way with NZ, I believe there are enough thinkers to see through her devious future for her family of 5 million.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Not sure I can agree – she and the fat Controller have the money – remember the motto “Follow the Money” and that is what they will do.
    The media do it continuously but will need a lot more before the election.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:42am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I admire your optimism.
    Tho’ I suspect it’s going to get worse before it gets better, human nature is to repeat/ignore the mistakes of the past.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:45am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Be interested to know how many people actually acquiesce to being part of the “Team of 5 million”. I don’t, so that’s 4,999,999 at best. Doesn’t roll off the tongue so well I guess
    
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    August 11, 2021 1:02pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Aunty, bravo. It is always refreshing to read comments from you on which we thoroughly agree.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:30am
- crikey
  
  Two quotes from Winston Churchill:
  
  “ The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”
  
  “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:06am
- Critical Thinker
  
  “Failure is a big part of a free market’s success. People fail to live up to their potential, or to carry out all their good intentions, in all kinds of economic and political systems. Capitalism makes them pay a price for their failures, while socialism, feudalism, fascism and other systems enable personal failures, especially by those at the top, to be ignored.”
  
  “The economic disasters of socialism and communism come from assuming a blanket superiority of those who want to run a whole economy.”
  
  -Thomas Sowell
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:44am
Flossie

Last night on 7 Sharp a group of young kids was asked their preference for the name of this country. Result…mainly Aotearoa, with a couple adding New Zealand after that name.
What colour were these kids? Almost all, if not all of them, were brown.
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August 11, 2021 8:05am
- G152
  
  Just think how long it took for our fake news to put that ‘item’ together.
  Seeing that the Aotearoa name was coined by a European translating the National Anthem I am amused
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:44am
- Yabster
  
  yep – the socialist wokesters are playing the long game- get the kids at school then it just becomes the norm.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  How many kids did they interview to get the five(?) they showed giving the preferred answer?
  
  What about going to a private school somewhere with the same question, would the outcome be the same?
  
  Where is the option for New Zealand Aotearoa?
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:44am
- alloytoo
  
  People still watch 7 Sharp?
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:57am
- amospicton
  
  They were given a quick ‘history lesson’ by the reporter first. Guess which way that slanted?
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:41am
  - Sacha
    
    New Zealand is sometimes affectionately called ‘Aotearoa – the Land of the Long White Cloud’,
    but the Official Name is New Zealand.
    And that’s that.
    
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    August 11, 2021 2:43pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The poll of several thousands run on Newshub recently had the support for ‘NZ’ at >80%, so why should the public be interested with the thoughts of a few kids interviewed?
  Hardly a representative sample size, putting aside selection bias – and they are not of any consequence until voting age in any case.
  If I wanted to know the best type of Pokemon, then I might be interested in what kids think.
  There is always a chance they grow out of their childish fancies by the time they grow up.
  
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  August 11, 2021 11:02am
Tony Stuart

Question of the Day – how many prospects can the Mongrel Mob recruit for $2.75 million?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gangs-offer-prospects-up-to-20000-to-join-former-mongrel-mob-member/5EVYVMQDTJC6SVKPEEEEUAIZTQ/
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August 11, 2021 8:06am
- pdm
  
  Just wondering if they take on 75 year old pale stale males. I only want the $20,000 not a Harley.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, it’s tempting..
    I think you should shop around:
    Gang loyalties aren’t as permanent as they used to be, with ‘prospects’ today looking at what gangs are offering before committing to one.
    
    Go and tell the local lads that you’ve had a better offer from the Mobsters, and what can they offer.
    
    I’ve noticed that our local mobsters quite like having a steady, reliable old chap to house their stash.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:25am
    - pdm
      
      Maggie I have some inside running. I lived in Waipawa for 20 years and mrspdm grew up there so the icons of the CHB Mongrel Mob – the infamous Sonny Smith, his mate `Bungeye’ Renata and others are well known to me.
      
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      August 11, 2021 10:01am
      - sooty
        
        Did you know that Harley Davidson make mobility scooters? A three wheel bike, so they are harder to fall over. Even with a reverse gear!
        
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        August 11, 2021 11:02am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I want one! Best I put my name on the waiting list now 😀
        
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        August 11, 2021 11:14am
  - gravedodger
    
    Yes keep on with the Mobility strategy pdm much safer.
    Had to move on from my Harley when I needed assistance from a sheila to stand it up after a little oopsy 15 years ago.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:54am
- MCos
  
  He didn’t say which gangs; just ‘modern gangs’.
  From what I’ve heard the people targeted are the deportees from Australia who have no connections here and are offered accommodation, money etc.
  by the gangs who are basically Australian.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:10am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Also, when they are so flush with cash – why are we paying them handsomely to put a few of their members through any meth-programme?
  The scum can look after themselves, on their own coin.
  
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  August 11, 2021 11:05am
Frank the tank

What a surprise….. All those suburbia moms who thought the Blairite would let them go on a holiday to the GC once they have had the Kungflu jab all are going to get a dose of Realpolitik today.

This is the madness that YOU voted for. At this rate an entire generation of young people won’t get to experience international travel and experience. What will this do to the mental health of an increasingly fragile youth?
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August 11, 2021 8:06am
- Sacha
  
  I guess they will survive. But some of us remember when overseas travel was the adventure of a lifetime, and couldn’t wait until we left school and get a job so that we could travel to foreign countries with our parent’s blessing, despite their misgivings.
  Just think, if the kids didn’t send a postcard, or learn how to hack telephone boxes, their parents assumed that no new was good news, and that they were still alive – somewhere.
  No wonder they are ‘increasingly fragile’ – nowadays they have instant global communication with their phones, and don’t have to rely on their own wits at all.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  At this rate an entire generation of young people won’t get to experience international travel and experience.
  
  yes, it is like a return to the 1950s…when only the children of the very privileged made it out of NZ for some O.E. or specialist education.
  
  I suspect another cohort of tertiary graduates is going to be rather upset by the end of this year, when they realise that the only options in front of them are
  further study or a low-paying salary in lock-down land.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:34am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Well we’ve told the kids to go travelling, NOW. A good 2 years away and then worry about how you can navigate any MIQ home. Meanwhile, they have a life, experience other countries, (potentially) get work experience in their fields and hopefully they meet a lovely partner and decide not to return to their home country, which is rapidly becoming a banana republic. Why stay..
    (Disclaimer: they’re vaccinated).
    
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    August 11, 2021 5:42pm
KevO'Brien

Don’t forget the coming climate catastrophe:
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/08/ipcc-taps-into-global-witchcraft-stop-fires-storms-and-floods-with-solar-panels-and-windmills/
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August 11, 2021 8:06am
- I remember when
  
  ‘Your car exhaust causes fires.’
  I do remember that every summer the Railways were a moving ‘arson’ provider.
  Dry grass, sparks from engines and carriage brake boxes many years before I heard the words ‘climate’ and ‘change’ combined.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    I do remember when owners of cars with catalytic converters were advised not to park in areas of long dry grass.
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:00am
Benedict Yu

As I predicted the elimination strategy is to be permanent

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126029412/covid19-elimination-strategy-still-key-as-hospitals-could-be-overwhelmed-once-border-opens

I have read this article four times and I find the logic impossible to fathom. It is actually saying that we will need border restrictions and lockdowns indefinitely.

“Skegg also called for a review of the health system’s capacity to cope in the event of an inevitable outbreak, and for elimination to be re-named with a te reo Māori name.”

Of course. The elimination strategy will have a Maori name.

And it gets worse…

“…. travel should be at first restricted to vaccinated Kiwis going overseas from New Zealand for short trips, and should begin with shorter stays in managed isolation.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126031427/covid19-nz-government-advisory-group-says-borders-can-open-in-2022-without-forgoing-elimination-strategy

So there you have it. If you are not vaccinated you will be prohibited from leaving New Zealand. And you can go on a “short trip” and stay for a shorter time in managed isolation on return. You know the managed isolation where demand exceeds supply by a factor of 10.

Effectively we are kicked up despite being fully vaccinated. The lucky few who can get a managed isolation slot can go on a short trip.

I am beyond angry about this. Many people in New Zealand and around the world will be in despair. Oh but the elimination strategy will have a Maori name. Brilliant.
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August 11, 2021 8:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Apologies for typos.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:10am
- Ultima
  
  At this rate, North Korea is looking like a freedom paradise.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    North Korea, at least the lights stay on. There aren’t many but they do stay on. Just sayin’ Megan, Cindy . . .
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:49am
    - Batman
      
      Paulus, the lights don’t stay on in North Korea, just to state the obvious.
      
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      August 11, 2021 12:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    My daughter and son-in-law and lobbying hard for Mrs kk and I to move to the UK. The chances of being part of grandchildren’s lives are currently looking pretty remote otherwise.
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:14am
- Scott
  
  There are some facts we need to understand. Covid is never going away. Unless we draw up the bridge and remain a hermit kingdom we will sooner or later, like the UK, have to learn to live with covid.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    we will sooner or later, like the UK, have to learn to live with covid.
    
    Indeed…and then we can discover if the last 2, 3, or even 4 years being isolated has been of any use, or has left many of us vulnerable to ever nastier strains of Covid-19.
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:38am
    - Ed Snack
      
      There is at least some chance that better vaccines will be developed, Novavax for example has one that is non-mRNA.
      
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      August 12, 2021 9:06pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Some of us have been banging on about this for months.
  
  There seems even some here that expected a grown up, rational approach to re-opening (little) Aotearoa.
  
  This was always the way the Blairite was going to go. This is the only thing she is capable of – Locking us up. One trick Ponys continue to perform until the public has had enough. We are not at that zenith yet – it’s coming though like our shipments out of China and North America…….
  
  Have a think what this decision is going to have on people’s desire to get a jab……when there is no point – why bother.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    What about a rational approach to opening New Zealand, Frank.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:34am
    - Frank the tank
      
      That place doesn’t exist anymore – it’s gone the same way as Rhodesia.
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:53am
      - Harriet
        
        Rhodesia ’74 on youtube is an eye opener — it goes for about 4 mins and the music that accompanies it is some ’70’s British jingle.
        
        Most people in South auckland today are living in worse conditions, and what’s worse is that they are accepting of that! 😎
        
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        August 11, 2021 10:19am
- Tricati
  
  Benedict, I admire your fortitude to read it 4 times. I read it once and got pissed off. Being sarcastic, I thought maybe giving it a Maori name meant it met the criteria for Maori science, and as we now now, its the only science we need to observe.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:29am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Elimination is like those blue chinese non medical masks, we are told these protect us from virus.
  Simple answer to this is, can you smell a fart through underpants.
  These masks are 100 % non effective on a virus.
  Lets eliminate the common flu, it just all scuttlebug that is spread to keep the sheep thinking they have the answers.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
    They are not masks.
    
    They are compliance muzzles.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:42am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      They are what you say just fear and power, nothing else.
      you are 100% correct I have just put this proposal to Greg Hunt Minister for Health in Australia.
      If they truly want to do this scientifically, they need to do the following. Of course they won’t, but just makes them look really stupid.
      Ask him to read the following
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tZnH_YnywkHBPUiMHYiqPaut6AVRbMHq/view
      I then posed this to solve the problem.
      I believe all governments in Australia should take the following action immediately
      In order to protect the population with 99% chance of protection.
      1)Anywhere there is a mask mandate, they must wear as a minimum a SSP3 mask fitted by a medical professional.
      2)It can only be worn for 3 hours or when removed.
      3)By law it must have the expiry time written on it to enforce the law.
      4)All persons with beards must shave them off.
      5)Anyone caught wearing with less than 90% protection, the fine is $50,000
      This has to be implemented immediately, the danger in the present rules is just insane.
      6) Introduce mask fitting stations with qualified staff in all affected area’s.
      I look forward to your comments on this initiative.
      Wearing masks that are not fit for purpose, it is not an option.
      They are what you say just fear and power, nothing else.
      
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      August 11, 2021 8:50am
    - gravedodger
      
      Similar to yellow armbands with a six point star of David, wake up people!
      
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      August 11, 2021 10:15am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        How did that turn out? Remind the millennials.
        
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        August 11, 2021 11:04am
      - Batman
        
        Congratulations on joining Marjorie Taylor Green as a leading proponent of the self-Godwin school of debate.
        
        That, or a deranged view of what the holocaust was compared to mild public health measures.
        
        This crap is very offensive to those of us who had relatives tortured and murdered by authoritarian Nazi thugs.
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:34pm
- Cinematic
  
  It is fact that the vaccine does not prevent one from becoming infected and transmitting the covid. So what possible difference would the duration of a holiday or the holiday destination make? And what difference does being vaccinated or not make?
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:47am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  They can’t associate Te Reo with anything bad.
  It would be a mistake to give a hated, freedom-denying policy a Maori name.
  
  It must be an English name.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No,
    You can’t depict viruses with Maori features, but it’s OK for the ELIMINATOR to be Maori.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sort of like the “Terminator” with a tattoo …..
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:49am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Buy a place in Aus…
  
  Do your overseas trip then back to Aus for 14 days.
  
  No MiQ required
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:29pm
I remember when

I remember loving ‘trans’ when I was three.
I think it was a spelling mistake.
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August 11, 2021 8:08am
- kevn
  
  @I rem…. Like when gay = jolly and rainbow was a… rainbow.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:11am
  - Ruawai
    
    Sad for todays kids that the magical rainbow has been taken over by a sexual orientation.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:44am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  You mean like James the Red Engine and his little tender behind?
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Captain Pugwash . . .
    
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    August 11, 2021 11:09am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Sadly the whole meme about Seaman Staines and Roger the Cabinboy is a myth, a highly entertaining one, but none the less a myth.
      
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      August 12, 2021 9:27pm
I remember when

MORE Bad News:
According to Stats NZ figures, around 22,250 of those, 70 and over, we saved from covid by lockdowns have since passed away.
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August 11, 2021 8:10am
- [email protected]
  
  And they probably didn’t get to freely enjoy their last days without fear.
  
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  August 11, 2021 12:50pm
Maggie Pie

Breakfast@7:25am

Hosk asks the hard questions 😀

The country’s in a crisis. Why is Ardern spending her time opening gender-neutral toilets?

>>Twitter trending…..

https://twitter.com/BlightyUK/status/1425094492907085828
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August 11, 2021 8:22am
- Ehlana
  
  What are gender-neutral toilets? Are they the same as unisex toilets?
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you klik on the link?
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:05am
    - Ehlana
      
      Yes. It has a tweet under the name of Violet Marianne with a picture of a box of gender-neutral tampons. So perhaps not what you were intending to link to?
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:15am
      - Sacha
        
        ‘gender-neutral tampons’ ?
        What do gender-neutral male people get up to?
        The mind boggles.
        
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        August 11, 2021 9:51am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They open when the required pronouns are given.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:42am
- zulumonster
  
  “Unscented” But only before use …
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:52am
JibberJabber

The pulse of the Nation.
https://twitter.com/WotTheElf217/status/1424835960244604933

*caution language
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August 11, 2021 8:24am
- oldfella
  
  JJ, FWIW, yesterday I used one of the tamer C-words (bovine variety) in referring to our PM. The word got deleted. Fair enough.
  But now this rude Okker calls her Marama’s favourite C-word!
  I guess the mod was out getting a coffee when you posted it. 😉
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:39am
I remember when

Should the Government be in charge of covid control.
Surely the answer has to be “NO”.
For the very same reasons we have SOEs –
too easily influenced to have spontaneous reactions to polls and pressure groups.
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August 11, 2021 8:28am
Critical Thinker

Watch corrupt Democrat New York governor and senicidal mass murderer Andrew Cuomo’s harrowing resignation speech ?
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August 11, 2021 8:31am
CAKE FACE1

There are many fallacies the governments insane zero Ro policy is built upon.

One is that the economy has done very well recently, despite the closed borders and the lockdowns.

The top-line economic figures are indeed impressive, but when you look a bit closer, you realise that it’s all built on sand.

In February 2020, Government debt was approximately $60 billion. It is forecast to reach $190 billion by 2025. As a percentage of GDP, this debt increases from circa 20% to 50%. There was another $50 billion printed, or about 15% of GDP.

In total, we’ve had about 45% of GDP spending to support the economy for a couple of years.

Obviously, NZ goes bankrupt very soon if we keep borrowing and printing at anything like these levels going forward.

I think complete economic collapse is quite possible in a decade or so, if we continue on this socialist road to serfdom…
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August 11, 2021 8:40am
- Tall Man
  
  But but but housing is booming and ……. so is debt.
  
  Lefty fools, and they are ignorant fools, keep lauding this government for our “strong” economy yet they don’t have the mental capacity to look down and see the “sand” that you refer to surrounding their feet.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:45am
Greg Ettridge

It’s a much better look lurking around state of the art unisex bog’s than schools.
If Joe visits, he will want schools.
I can see his hairs prickling up now.
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August 11, 2021 8:43am
Maggie Pie

oh the HYPOCRISY!!

A bezzie calls out Marama….

https://twitter.com/JulietMosesNZ/status/1425189718048706561
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August 11, 2021 8:45am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Annie O’Brien sounds interesting, you wouldn’t be able to contain yourself presenting her to mum for her approval.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:00am
Rusty

According to the UN and WHO if global warming doesn’t kill half the worlds population in the near future then covid will finish off the rest of us.

These groups might not say it that way but that’s what they mean.

No doubt our PM and her govt are stooges for the UN/WHO who accept everything they say on these issues as the gospel.

People in NZ aren’t getting seriously sick or dropping dead of either global warming or covid but hundreds of Kiwis are dying every year from cancer, the common flu and road accidents etc,
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August 11, 2021 8:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  PM and her govt are stooges
  “Useful idiots” compliant like a dog waiting on a reward. They’ll deliver their population but likely ultimately be locked down themselves so their new rulers are not compromised.
  It’s all in the NWO book.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:47am
JibberJabber

Another from the Twitter ?

RosieB.
Jacinda says the power situation is under control. They plan to have children out on the streets selling candles and matches.
She said this will also help support their homeless families.
#littlematchgirl #twobirdswithonestone
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August 11, 2021 8:55am
- Ed Snack
  
  Reminds one of the old joke – What did the Venezuelans use for lighting before they had candles ? answer – electricity…
  
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  August 12, 2021 9:53pm
Surely Knott

The two biggest women’s right champions in the digital space seem to be being targeted will the media report on it.
1. Rachel Stewart had the police knock on her door last week during a dinner party she was hosting because they had an anonymous tipoff she was at risk of self harming?!? Surprised and in the middle of a party she asked for details of the tipster and they can not give details because of privacy etc.
2. Ani O’brien spokesperson for Speak up against women and womens advocate has had a twitter campaign started against her. There is a page set up called Ani Obrien is a Terf C*nt. And a number of prominent leftists are trying to get the phrase trending. Will the media cover this hate attack?
Just wanted to say keep up the good work ladies. I appreciate you standing up for women and women’s rights and identity and having the discussion.
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August 11, 2021 8:59am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Among the “prominent leftists” you refer to is Marama Davidson, co-leader of the Green Party and Minister for Family and Sexual Violence. Ms Davidson should have a good look at who she likes and supports on social media.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:19am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s worth noting that the purpose of the “tip” wasn’t just to annoy her. When she goes to get her guns back there will be a note on her file saying that she was a potential risk of self harming. This will probably be enough for the Police to justify stealing her guns indefinitely. Whoever the tipster was should be charged.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:24am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Screw’em both. They’ve instigated their own lynch mobs in their time
  
  They were happy enough when the law & sm was working for them in cancelling their opponents. Not so much when it’s used against them
  
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  August 11, 2021 2:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We are in a snakes and ladder nightmare…
Each time we land on a ladder to lead us out of Covid-19 land (social distancing, hand-washing, deep-cleaning, mask-wearing, lockdowns, closed borders, MIQ, Vaccinations), the Government throws a dice that lands on a snake (delays, balls-ups, false accusations, weak vaccines) that sends us back to where we were 18 months ago.
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August 11, 2021 9:01am
- Tall Man
  
  Maggy, I truly believe there is no “ladder” to lead us “out” of covid.
  
  We are just going to have to work with nature here and manage the risk as best we can by protecting the vulnerable as best we can and accepting that life is finite.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    there is no “ladder” to lead us “out” of covid.
    
    but, but…
    
    there must be…
    otherwise, why are we all following the Leader?
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      You speak for yourself, I’m disproving the “No man is an Island” song 😉
      
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      August 11, 2021 10:56am
- Happychappy
  
  Maggie it is the only way Jacinda Ardern and the lying Dr Ashley Bloomfield think Labour can retain power as their other policies keep going belly up
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:34am
- DeepBlue
  
  We locked down because our hospitals couldn’t cope. 18 months later our hospitals have not improved, in fact they are worse as staff are tired and striking.
  
  This government has done zero to prepare for Covid in NZ.
  
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  August 11, 2021 12:22pm
Critical Thinker

Viral Video: Dr Dan Stock reveals the truth about all airborne respiratory viruses and how effective vaccines are against them ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqDO5fFR-wc
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August 11, 2021 9:06am
ABS4EVA

Break Through Cases

Think about it folks

Are the Vaccines Working

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPbvzRMLTI

Follow the Science
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August 11, 2021 9:15am
Tony Stuart

Richard Prebble prods Chris Hipkins with the toe of his shoe this morning:

The government was warned a year ago in the Simpson/Roche Report that our ports are wide open to Covid.

The Maritime Union says its members are angry that they were put at risk by going on board a ship with Covid cases. Maybe I am the first to tell the union, the country is angry that its members have put everyone at risk by willfully refusing to be vaccinated.

The Maritime Union is affiliated to the Labour Party. Is this the reason ministers have not insisted port border workers be vaccinated? This is the fourth ship with Covid in a month.

Chris Hipkins, the Covid Response Minister, has been in politics all his life. He joined the Labour party as a schoolboy. You have to be highly political not to have acted on the Simpson/Roche report. Last weekend he was even denying the MIQ booking system is a failure.

My daughter came back from the United States to nurse her sister. It took four months to get an MIQ place. She dare not make a visit back to see her family in Hawaii for fear she will not get a MIQ place to return.

We were lucky. Imagine the trauma for families where parents have been split from children.

The Minister insists New Zealanders should have travelled when he advised there were MIQ places. He has yet to explain how we get cancer to obey his MIQ timetable.

The MIQ system is a shambles. The government’s Covid policy relies on luck.

Covid is not the only crisis Hipkins is presiding over. He is the Minister of Education.

After receiving a glowing independent report saying that Charter Schools “are meeting their learners’ needs using good and innovative practices”, Hipkins abolished Charter Schools.

In their NCEA results Maori and Pacifica pupils attending Charter schools exceeded the average achievement of all students.

The Minister assured us that he was going to introduce policies to ensure pupils succeed in state schools.

Where are these policies?

Under his watch education standards across the board have fallen. Once we led the world in English and math. Now we are near the bottom of the countries that participate in education comparison testing.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/richard-prebble-chris-hipkins-is-failing-in-both-his-portfolios/CXFQL6VE3ZZFLMVSFGULVW2VA4/

There’s more, but I won’t risk the ire of the moderators by copying and pasting it; go and have a read yourself. I can tell you though; it’s not complimentary!

This raises an interesting point however. The Covid Response portfolio is huge, and with the landscape seeming to change every week, it needs a Minister who is on top of their game.

But so does Education, which is of massive importance to parents, educators and students alike. Under Hipkins, Education is at best standing still, although others may argue it’s going backwards.

Hipkins seems to be one of the more competent Ministers in Ardern’s government, although to be fair, that’s not a high bar. The question needs to be asked however; should he be relieved of one of his portfolios, so that he can do justice to the other. It’s clear that, at the moment, he isn’t doing justice to either of these important portfolios.
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August 11, 2021 9:16am
- Tall Man
  
  “Hipkins seems to be one of the more competent Ministers in Ardern’s government”
  
  Please elaborate.
  
  He has achieved nothing. Not little or not a lot but nothing.
  
  How can you use competent and hipkins in the same sentence?
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    My wife has had a few professional dealings with Hipkins in regard to Early Childhood Education. For a while she found him engaged with issues, and willing to discuss alternative solutions. More recently she has seen less of him, and trying to get an answer from his office is like trying to get blood from a stone. There’s not doubt the demands of his Covid portfolio have impacted on his performance in Education.
    
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    August 11, 2021 9:53am
    - Tall Man
      
      “engaged with issues, and willing to discuss alternative solutions”
      
      So talk but no action.
      
      Precisely my point.
      
      That is not compentence, that is politics.
      
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      August 11, 2021 10:00am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Whatever his excuses might be he is not getting the job done – there are 60+ MP’s in the Labour caucus, if he is over worked then what the hell are the rest of them there for?
      
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      August 11, 2021 3:13pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Hipkins is one of the biggest control freak bullies on the Left. He “looks” competent simply because he’s utterly non-transparent and doesn’t let any information out.
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:35am
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, achieving nothing is as competent as a Labour or Green politician gets, it’s high praise indeed and he’ll probably put it on his CV.
    
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    August 11, 2021 12:00pm
- kevn
  
  @Tony… You spoiled it in your last paragraph. hipkins competent? Hardly.
  He is just another of the dogma driven clowns rooting NZ.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:51am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I did note that “competence” in the Labour Cabinet was a pretty low bar 😀
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:34am
- mandk
  
  My impression of Hipkins has always been that he talks a lot without actually saying anything meaningful, but I guess that is a skill that most politicians need.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Remember Hipkins is not the Minister of Health, or even the associate Minister of Health, or even the Minister in Charge Of MBIE… so why aren’t these Ministers involved in looking after the Covid-19 response?
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:49am
ABS4EVA

JIM MOLAN

Is the only Voice in Australia and New Zealand

REPEATING THE OBVIOUS

He is the best Military Mind in Australia
He actually understates the Obvious imho.

His an incredibly professional Military Commander and Strategist.

He has cancer.

I encourage you to listen to every video you can of his like this one and others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv1eOUwUiNA

He was the first and only person in Australia
to point out that in the near future Australia
will need more than 1 months fuel supply.

As he states the ADF is the best it has been, but

The General Population are un prepared and unaware

Please stay informed

Australia is scrambling to UP ITS DEFENCE
CAPABILITY

and that is the correct and only action to take.
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August 11, 2021 9:22am
lifesgood

These blokes wanting to be sheilas. Do they really wish they had periods and gave birth? Are they mad? Rhetorical question, sorry.
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August 11, 2021 9:39am
- mandk
  
  Nah, these faux females know they’ll never have to risk periods and labour.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    or have painful breasts each month
    or endure endometriosis
    or require intravaginal contraception
    or require intrauterinal contraception
    or suffer a miscarriage
    or require a d&C
    or go through perimenopause and menopause
    or have a hysterectomy
    etc, etc
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:21am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I looked at that list and wondered if women, who put such a demand upon our public health system with the lengthy above mentioned gender specific ailments, are they liable to a higher income tax rate?
      I use a pseudonym as 50.4% of our country’s population will want to scratch my eyes out, for raising such a question.
      
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      August 11, 2021 11:08am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Sweetie Pie,
        most of us just put up with the hormonal crap.
        
        Apart from having the free maternal check-ups and the 1 week hospital holiday/baby (remember those) and the 3-yearly bosom squeeze and cervical inspection, I have endeavoured to keep myself very distant from the public health system.
        
        I’m hoping a large supply of opiates has been put aside for me in some little hospital cupboard, if I need them one day.
        
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        August 11, 2021 12:11pm
      - Ehlana
        
        How are they going to pay a higher income tax Tauhei? They already earn less than men, even in comparable jobs and face a higher cost of living (haircuts, makeup, period products, etc.).
        
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        August 11, 2021 1:53pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Grow your own poppies Maggy …… Job done 😉
        
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        August 11, 2021 3:02pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Women receive a lot more from government than men in health services, welfare and pensions, not to mention higher education costs (almost 50% more of them at university – leading in theory at least to higher incomes too). Would be only fair if they paid extra tax to compensate for their higher consumption of tax dollars. On the other hand men spend more on incarceration expenses.
        
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        August 11, 2021 3:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Grow your own poppies Maggy
        
        I have done so for decades…
        First flowering for the season has just started.
        
        I’m trying to get rid of singles…only saving seed from doubles
        https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/double-pink-opium-poppy-papaver.html
        
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        August 11, 2021 7:45pm
    - The Housekeeper
      
      or worry that their rape may lead to a child
      
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      August 11, 2021 12:34pm
- Harriet
  
  They just want to be looked at because they are insecure males — John Hopkins medical university got out of performing surgery on them for that very reason — post-op nearly all the ‘women’ turned up to consultations looking and acting ‘appealing’ to the doctors and mental health staff.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:48am
- kloyd0306
  
  In sports, where are the ex-women who are wanting to compete against men?
  Bit of a one-way street isn’t it?
  
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  August 11, 2021 11:50am
Maggie Pie

Amazing how quite it’s gone into the investigation of Pauline Polkinghornes ‘unexplained death’. It’s nearly 5 months ago now! Like a lot of other people around here, I still avoid walking after dark now. You just never know who might be skulking around 🙁

The house has a ‘Set Sale’ date for tomorrow at 4.
I’ll take a drive past after dinner to see if the SOLD sign has gone up.
(You can take a look thru here if u want….)

https://rwremuera.co.nz/auckland/remuera/121-upland-road-rmu31258/
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August 11, 2021 9:40am
- lifesgood
  
  Wow! You’ve got all that and you’re unhappy?
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:35am
Happychappy

How many times have you heard this over the years about Petrol especially when Labour have been the Government.
Lower petrol prices could be on the way with new rules.
But many forget how petrol prices have increased under this Government in the last three and a half years.
Just like Electricity, Supermarket prices
and the cost of living and the inflation that is about to hit New Zealander’s in the pocket all through this Governments
printing money experiments to save the planet and New Zealand from Covid-19 and saddle future Generations with a huge amount of debt.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/lower-petrol-prices-could-way-new-rules
How many policies that this Government had promised New Zealander’s like Light Rail , Housing for all, Immigration, Education and Tourism have not turned to shit under this Government and now they expect us to believe they will get Petrol prices right for New Zealander’s.
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August 11, 2021 9:51am
- Harriet
  
  When you look at Labour in totality over the last for years it has to a degree been one of a ‘command economy’ up against the reality of international free markets.
  
  And nationalization isn’t just a matter of ownership as the same results can be achieved via legislation, just look at gas drilling ‘we can’t own it so let’s just get rid of it’, charter schools gone, utes going…..
  
  All tax and spend has to go, with small government in it’s place.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:40am
KevO'Brien

Historic day
Mike Lindell has a public Cyber Symposium starting today. The evidence of the Chinese cyber attack on the USA election is being made available.

Mike is also offering $USD 5 Million reward to anyone who can prove it wrong. Attendance was widely advertised and open to all.
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August 11, 2021 10:23am
- KevO'Brien
  
  See it here: https://lindelltv.com
  or:
  https://generaldispatch.whatfinger.com/mike-lindells-voter-fraud-cyber-symposium-live/
  
  This could be history in the making.
  
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  August 11, 2021 10:26am
  - Batman
    
    Of course, it is not and is looking like a shambles.
    
    No evidence, no proof, just more fantasy.
    
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-frantically-vows-to-stay-up-for-72-hours-straight-says-theres-no-breaks
    
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    August 11, 2021 1:15pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have you looked at the intercepted data? It has time stamps, urls and mac addresses. The parties on both side of the data interchange have been identified down to the individual computer level.
      
      It nay not be well known but many computer system components have manufacturer ID in a standard form. Imagine emails in an office this enables a way to pick out an individual PC to send a reply too.
      
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      August 11, 2021 4:03pm
Yabster

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300379943/tj-perenara-seeks-answers-after-insulting-comments-by-hurricanes-board-member

Perenara should stick to trying to be a good AB- shame he can’t pass… Mallard jumping on board- result Bowker will be gone by lunchtime- for asking “what % of Maori are you and stop pandering to the Maori left”- yep those comments and the likes of Pernara and Mallard and MSM piling on will force the Huricanes to push Bowker out I am predicting- woke cancel culture at its worst.
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August 11, 2021 10:27am
- mandk
  
  You are right about Perenara not being able to pass.
  The first fives that have to work with him are always having to pluck the ball from somewhere above chest height, and this means they are never moving at speed when they receive the ball.
  
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  August 11, 2021 11:34am
- MCos
  
  Bowker is part owner of the Hurricanes and thus entitled to his seat on the board of directors, it seems.
  BTW
  If Perenara should concentrate on improving his rugby then Bowker should stay away from Māori history.
  As it is anyone can say what they like in this country.
  
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  August 11, 2021 12:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    As it is anyone can say what they like in this country …
    
    Except Bowker? Is that what you are saying, MCos?
    
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    August 11, 2021 12:49pm
  - Batman
    
    Quite, and if Bowker wants to say idiotic stuff he should expect feedback from public figures, particularly when those public figures are key talent that the club employs.
    
    The “Perenara should be quiet” camp sound a bit too much like they prefer Maori to be seen and not heard.
    
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    August 11, 2021 1:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s not it at all and you know it.
      
      Bowker had an opinion and expressed it. Taylor had an opinion and expressed it. There are them that like and dislike both but what perenara is trying to do is to create consequences for Bowker having his opinion and expressing it.
      
      There is a difference but maybe it’s a tad too subtle for you to follow.
      
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      August 11, 2021 1:27pm
      - Batman
        
        Perenara is expressing his opinion. If that creates consequences for Bowker saying irresponsible shit then that is his problem.
        
        Maybe it’s a tad too subtle for you little man but when a race issue is raised and someone prominent at the organisation is involved because of their heritage, that makes their opinion relevant, especially when they are a key talent for the organisation.
        
        The reason some are crying about it is because they want to continue getting away with casually racist dumb shit like what Bowker said. They say it every day here with impunity because nobody cares. The stakes are a little different at a large professional rugby club where a high proportion of employees who are people of colour.
        
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        August 11, 2021 1:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        ?Batty, ? Batty ….
        
        Taylor expresses his opinion about a hot-spot topic that many of our two main races differ on.
        
        Bowker expresses his opinion on Taylor’s opinion.
        
        Perenara expresses his opinion on Bowker’s opinion
        
        Some of us on Kiwiblog express our opinions on Perenara’s opinion.
        
        Batty expresses his opinion on the opinions of some of us.
        
        My turn again:
        
        Batty plays the “racist!” shut-down, trump card: “….some are crying about it is because they want to continue getting away with casually racist dumb shit like what Bowker said.”
        
        Sorry, Batty. Race card doesn’t work any more. No longer trumps. Been Woked to death.
        
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        August 11, 2021 1:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry Batman, you shoot, you miss. Sometimes I wonder if you even load.
        
        perenara is calling for consequences for an opinion he doesn’t like.
        
        Is it racist to want a referendum or at least an adult conversation about changing our contry’s name? I don’t think so. I actually think it rather arrogant and possibly racist for people to just do so because they want it so but that’s not the issue.
        
        Consequences only seem to be called for when a brown person says there need to be consequences, maybe that’s an over simplification but 6 months for a “coward punch” seems rather weak to me.
        
        Calling for someone to be removed from the board of a sports organisation because he wants a discussion, democratically as well, about a serious issue seems rather an over reaction to me but hey, I’m only a little fellow, what do I know. We have all you highly qualified public servants sitting on your arses to sort us out don’t we?
        
        As far as “maorification” of NZ, how many karakia thingys have you been to recently and pray tell what they fuck do they have to do with performing your job?
        
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        August 11, 2021 2:54pm
      - Yabster
        
        Batty the old Racist card?- you are full of it- the socialist woke response- what was the “racist’ part of Bowkers comments exactly?
        Perenara can say what he likes- but getting offended at what Bowker said is pathetic and part of the cancel culture in NZ.
        
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        August 11, 2021 2:55pm
      - surfing
        
        I think bowkers initial comments were silly rather than racist , but, his subsequent comments on linkedin are damning of him as a person.
        
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        August 11, 2021 8:55pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Well, based on the up and down ticks it is pretty clear who we wish would would keep his stupid fascist tendency nose out of the comments a bit more frequently, Batty.
      
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      August 12, 2021 10:10pm
- Happychappy
  
  While I don’t agree with Troy Bowker’s comments, Trevor Mallard has got a cheek when he had no qualms to smear a Parliamentary worker of sexual assault and remove him from a job he had held for many years without proof that has cost the taxpayer over $ 300 thousand . Like everyone else he is only supporter and maybe than don’t give a shit on his threats.
  https://twitter.com/SpeakerTrevor/status/1424884558634262545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1424884558634262545%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newshub.co.nz%2Fhome%2Fsport%2F2021%2F08%2Fhurricanes-star-tj-perenara-blasts-team-s-part-owner-troy-bowker-for-m-ori-loving-agenda-comments.html
  Mallard is a germ always has been and always will be.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:12pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Serious question, what part don’t you agree with, too much maorification or have a referendum to change our country’s name?
    
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    August 11, 2021 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

“ABNORMAL BEHAVIOUR HAS BECOME THE NORM”

A harbinger of things to come? This is sooo spooky…

When you think of the horrific Washdyke incident on Saturday – read what happened across the ditch in Kimberly WA just one week previous 🙁

https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1425210744023384065
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August 11, 2021 10:47am
The Boss

I wish the very woke TJ Perenara would make up his mind whether he wants to play rugby or play politics. Getting tired of his antics.
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August 11, 2021 11:25am
- MCos
  
  Not so keen on free speech, eh?
  
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  August 11, 2021 12:14pm
- Cinematic
  
  Shouldn’t be in the squad. There are several
  Halfbacks that are now better. He can go full time as a politician, the AB’s will be better for it.
  
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  August 11, 2021 12:30pm
Opie

The hypocrisy of rugby in New Zealand and the left in general.

A hurricanes board member makes a remark which has apparently “under lying racist tones”. Everyone demands he resign and people saying they wont attend any more matches untill he does.

Yet they are quite happy to support the all blacks who have a current player (Sevu Reece) who assaulted his missus including dragging her down the road and a fringe player (Shannon Frizzel) who assaulted a couple outside a public bar amongst them. Both were let off due to being all blacks.

Then there is poor old Joe Wheeler who put on a japanese accent for 3 words and got suspended for a month. Yet I see ads for nz shows where people put on an American accent and that’s ok?

I’m done with rugby, and judging by the crowds I’m not the only one.
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August 11, 2021 11:30am
- Nickc2
  
  ‘let off due to being all blacks’
  I hope you have some evidence for that statement. Did the judge say that or anything resembling that?
  If not, you are trying to crucify people based on a supposition.
  
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  August 11, 2021 11:44am
  - Opie
    
    This reply is a little late but I want it on record…
    
    Nickc2 – Are you trying to defend these guys?
    
    Maybe you are one of them.
    
    Frizell slapped a woman, then punched her in the face. Her boyfriend intervened and frizell later coward punched him from behind. He then sent an instagram message to the victims friend that said ‘’F… you b…. tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f… everyone’s up f… with the wrong guy”
    
    He got offered diversion. You join the dots. If I did that I would be jailed, but I’m not a 15 test all black.
    
    Reece assaulted his missus including dragging her down a road and was “discharged without conviction, because the judge felt that would have had serious implications on the Fijian-born’s rugby career”
    
    So there you have it. It’s ok to beat the shit out of people including females, as long as you are a rugby player.
    
    As per my original comment – it really weakens the virtue signaling around the other stuff going on when this is allowed to happen and obviously supported.
    
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    August 12, 2021 8:40am
Jack5

Rugby player T.J. Perenera seems to be cashing in on his sports status (Hurricanes and All Blacks) for Maori-activist politics.

First, there was the wrist band with Ihumatao (the land occupation site) on it. He wore it at an All Blacks match. As Heather DPA noted at the time:

“… it was clearly designed for others to see because it was written upside down for him but right way up for the cameras to catch while he was doing the haka, and holding his fist to his chest during the national anthem.”

Now he has taken on a member of the Hurricanes board for criticising a statement by Dunedin part-Maori tech entrepreneur Ian Taylor about renaming New Zealand Aotearoa, and whether there should be a referendum.

Perenera seems to think that questioning whether the country’s name should be changed to Aotearoa is racist.

Perenara on Aotearoa:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-tj-perenara-calls-out-hurricanes-board-members-racist-comments-seeks-answers/TI2AD5QSYHKZNUENWDVMTOJC74/

Perenara and Ihumatao:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-nz-rugby-risks-setting-dangerous-precedent-over-tj-perenaras-wristband/
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August 11, 2021 11:31am
- Tall Man
  
  He’s another “has been” that should be consigned to history, preferably in a large and boring book seldom read by normal people.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:22pm
  - igm
    
    Shows he is no better than the average gang member. Is he looking for a handout from taxpayers like his mongrel mob bros?
    
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    August 11, 2021 1:54pm
- Batman
  
  Another fan of indigenous people being seen and not heard huh?
  
  They show their true colours so easily at times like this.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe Google indigenous and see what the real definition is.
    
    It certainly doesn’t cover people that “migrate” or is there a new “public service” definition that over rules common sense.
    
    The way quite a few “departments” are operating it would seem that common sense has long departed. Maybe they should remove the first question on the job application form
    
    “Are you an idiot: If no then please leave this application on the table and fuck off” ……
    
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    August 11, 2021 2:58pm
  - Yabster
    
    Deal another card Batty you’re very tedious… nothing to do with his colour -but keep banging on about it….- its to do with his point of view (socialist woketard like yourself)- but you prefer the bs racist slant don’t you?- I am sure you can find a % somewhere……
    
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    August 11, 2021 3:01pm
WaynelSexton

Boomer fairytale
https://gab.com/m/posts/106733656336473362
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August 11, 2021 11:53am
Maggie Pie

Just speaking with Ma.
She was saying nearly everyone at Village is absolutely filthy on Winston these days. They put the blame entirely on him for saddling the country with ‘some silly young kid’ as Prime Minister.
No matter whether Winnie tries to make a comeback or not, none of them would EVER vote for him again.
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August 11, 2021 11:56am
- Tall Man
  
  They are not alone.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:20pm
JibberJabber

I gotta say I am enjoying Martyn/Martin Bradburys’ tweets lately,

Martyn Bradbury

Aug 10
Jesus wept – why isn’t there an emergency meeting happening to ask why the bloody National Grid is teetering on collapse?

My Schadenfreude at seeing a lefty trying to cope with what they wished for, is off the scale…?
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August 11, 2021 11:56am
- cmm
  
  No we don’t need more top level meetings.
  
  What we need is for Cindy to STFU and do what she knows best: wrapping chips.
  And Woods should go back to writing a post doc on feminist history.
  
  They should get the hell out of the energy sector and leave it to people that understand it.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:27pm
krazykiwi

Lockdown = Stay at Home and Die

Hundreds of people may be dying from heart problems at home each week, figures suggest, amid fears that many are continuing to suffer from the NHS backlog caused by the pandemic response.

The latest death data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that, for the week ending July 30 in England, there were 1,029 more deaths than normal but only 389 of those were from Covid [kk: The same outcome I reported for Canada].

The figures also show there were 748 excess deaths in private homes during the same period – a 33.4 per cent increase on the five-year average. It suggests the majority of excess deaths are now happening at home rather than in hospitals or care homes.
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August 11, 2021 12:25pm
- cmm
  
  Yup. Huge negative consequences:
  * Mental anguish up.
  * Stress levels up.
  * Stress eating up.
  * Obesity up
  * Exposure to the outside and sunshine down.
  * Health and exercise down.
  * Cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc up.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:24pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    This is our weak leaders kicking the mortality can down the road.
    
    Doesn’t matter if the contingent death toll is 10x after their parliamentary stint is finished … that will be someone else’s problem.
    
    The unthinking masses don’t understand.
    
    The bought-off media don’t ask the questions.
    
    So they get away with it.
    
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    August 11, 2021 1:53pm
Wired-one

All these articles on no travel until 2023 etc. Seriously give everyone the opportunity to get fully vaccinated as soon as possible and get the hell out of the way. There should be no restrictions whatsoever on fully vaccinated people.
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August 11, 2021 12:28pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Vaccinated people have the same viral loads as unvaccinated people, so your still a danger to the vulnerable.
  Now put your mask back on….
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/covid-breakthrough-infections-and-fully-vaccinated-people-what-you-need-to-know/ar-AAMvQdI
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:14pm
  - Wired-one
    
    Oh so we just never open up incase someone vulnerable gets Covid-19 passed on to them? That’s a ridiculous argument, Covid-19 is going nowhere, we need to learn to live with it. I’m not going to be all scared and frightened whilst living in a cave, so those of us who do feel safer.
    
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    August 11, 2021 3:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  Now let’s see.
  
  Covid variant delts, the worst kind catchable by looking at it, infects the crew of a ship that 85 port workers interact with. Only 11 are vaccinated at some level yet we have the results of the covid test and we find ……… wait for it ……. drum roll would be nice ……… Zero cross infection. How can that be, you can catch delta just by walking past someone infected in the street …….
  
  Is it possible that a positive test does not mean that you have covid …… I mean … is being asymptomatic mean you’re still sick with covid in silly cindy’s eyes … or are there others as silly?
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:19pm
  - Sacha
    
    The PCR test identifies vestiges of molecular structures. It does not conclusively identify COVID19 and gives false positives.
    If the cycles used in the test are lowered, these remnants are not identified and the number of positive test results becomes smaller. . . . .
    
    https://www.dailyveracity.com/2021/07/27/the-cdc-is-abandoning-the-pcr-test/
    
    https://spectator.com.au/2021/05/how-accurate-are-pcr-tests/
    
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    August 11, 2021 3:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “the number of positive test results becomes smaller. . . . .”
      
      And less scary
      
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      August 11, 2021 5:36pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Seems to me like the government never want to open up NZ and relinquish their power. The left are now all saying even vaccinated people can catch the virus and pass it on. But so what if they do? If everyone is vaccinated then symptoms should be far less.
  
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  August 11, 2021 4:16pm
  - Wired-one
    
    You’re onto it. But looking at many of the comments here, many on the right are happy with this nonsense too. Vaccine should equal freedom, not just a little less restrictive.
    
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    August 11, 2021 4:50pm
ABS4EVA

Fining you way to Prosperity

The States that have been the biggest Failure
Have issued the most fines

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-03/coronavirus-covid19-public-health-breach-fines-money-revenue/12498310

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/26/victoria-police-issue-almost-20000-fines-for-covid-19-breaches-during-pandemic

Society is in for a LONG HAUL with this thing
declaring War on people whose cooperation you need LONG TERM is short sighted

So everyone who can be fined has been fined

So what next? jail terms

So everyone who can be jailed has been jailed
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August 11, 2021 12:32pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  ABS4eva,
  Thank you for bringing that link to our attention.
  If I was in Melbourne I would stop and think at that huge war memorial on the road to St Kilda. And I would ask, why did they go to fight fascism.
  All those Victorian police poncing about in their high viz jackets; they should be wearing brown shirts.
  That story there about the blokes who ordered a huge feed of KFC at 1.30 a.m. Eating greasy chicken at that time of the morning is ridiculous, but to accrue AUD26,000 in fines for silliness is crazy. But it is still within the law to vote for the Greens, which in my humble opinion is the most crazy thing a person can do.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:46pm
Nickc2

WHO SAID ALICE IN WONDERLAND WAS FICTIONAL?
Alice followed the white rabbit down the tunnel and found herself in a very strange place where there was a fancy dress party in progress and lots of noise. She asked the rabbit what’s the name of this strange place.
“Aotearoa”, he replied.
“I have never heard of that,” she said to him.
“Some man came up with the name to assist in giving Maori a history.”
Just then a man started to stamp his feet and roll his eyes and poked out his tongue shouting and waving a stick.
“I think he is having an epileptic fit,” said Alice.
“That is the Mad Hatter”, replied the rabbit, “he always behaves like that if he can’t get his own way.”
“Golly,” said Alice, “I would be sent to my room for behaving like that.”
“Who is that lady with the big smile handing out all those piles of money?”
“That is the Queen of Hearts, she will give you some too, if you ask.”
“Golly,” Alice said again. “won’t she run out if that’s the case?”
“No, she will print more.” The rabbit replied.
“I keep seeing a smiling cat which disappears just when I want to see it better.”
“That is the ghost of Winston, enjoying the chaos he caused.”
“Who is the woman in the feather cloak, my friend Greta would be so upset to see how many birds were killed to make that.”
“Shhh,” said the rabbit, “she likes to think she is a conservationist! Don’t say anything Alice or you will be punished for hate speech.” “What? exclaimed Alice “for speaking the truth?
“And I can’t say anything because I am a white rabbit, and will be accused of racism.”
“I have never heard such nonsense,” replied Alice, “colour makes life interesting and attractive, it is bad behaviour which is intolerable.”
“It is because of perceived past wrongs,” mumbled the rabbit.
“More nonsense,” said Alice, “what is past is just that, past! Not a thing you can do to change it. Just get on with things. I don’t like Aotearoa, Rabbit, I want to go back to New Zealand, where everyone was happy before I heard of all this sick thinking.”
“I will come with you Alice, I don’t see why I should apologise for being white any more.”
“Quite right,” said Alice, “that mad queen will run out of money soon, then Aotearoa will become Blunderland!”
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August 11, 2021 12:32pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…

Green Party demand portrait of ‘Sir Winston Churchill’ be removed from gallery wall opposite their offices…. and replaced with one of Mexican President ‘Lozaro Cardenas del Rio’.

National leader Judith Collins is absolutely furious!!

https://twitter.com/JudithCollinsMP/status/1425216308669423618
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August 11, 2021 12:57pm
- jon
  
  This is what we get with our obsession with having diversity in representation in Parliament and the minority view prevails with the removal of the portrait of the 20th century greatest leader Sir Winston Churchill. Shameful!
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:36pm
  - MCos
    
    It’s not being ‘removed’ it’s being ‘relocated’ elsewhere in the public area of parliament.
    
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    August 11, 2021 4:56pm
- mandk
  
  The Green scum are demonstrating with this that they don’t value real anti-fascism. They just favour posturing and pretend anti-fascism, like BLM and Antifa.
  
  Simeon Brown’s response, quoted in the updated article, is great. He’s going from strength to strength, and is one of the best opposition MPs around.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:44pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    Churchill believed the British Empire promoted and maintained the welfare of those who lived in the colonies; he insisted that “our responsibility to the native races remains a real one”.
    
    I’d hardly call him a fascist/racist aside from maybe his comments on India.
    Imperialist maybe, but for his perceived advancement for everyone in those colonies, pretty much class, education and culture rather than race.
    Edit: he also didn’t enact any racist policies that I know of.
    
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    August 11, 2021 8:09pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  I’m not so sure that Sir Winston would be too concerned about being moved from outside the Greens’ offices. Imagine having to put up with their BO, umbrushed teeth and vegan flatulence every day. Yuck.
  
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  August 12, 2021 10:59am
cmm

Hipkins is saying be prepared for more level 4.

Crazy.

Level 4 is supposed to be there for when the hospital system is overloaded and we need to shut down services to stuff the hospitals full of CV19 patents. We have never been anywhere near that. We should never have been above Level 1 or Level 2.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-minister-chris-hipkins-dr-ashley-bloomfield-give-latest-on-vaccination-rollout/LUTMFWE2PX265RQNLVKVO3I5A4/
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August 11, 2021 1:19pm
- septic skeptic
  
  The level system has evolved to be more pro-active. Waiting until Covid was rampant before unleashing the level 4 measures was not sensible, and has rightly been changed.
  
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  August 11, 2021 1:28pm
  - marcw
    
    Tell us when “Covid was rampant” here ss? Yet how many weeks Level 4 lockdown has the country been subjected to already. cmm is right, the government’s reaction to Covid in NZ is illogical, chaotic, panicked, and totally destructive. It is typical of a management who are out of their depth and without a clue.
    
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    August 11, 2021 1:59pm
    - mandk
      
      Not sure that I agree that the gov’t is without a clue.
      
      Ardern’s crew knows that COVID-19 is the best thing that happened to them, politically, so they will milk it for all it’s worth.
      
      And they know that their record on delivering anything else is simply dismal.
      
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      August 11, 2021 2:26pm
    - CAKE FACE1
      
      Please, no more lockdowns!!!
      
      We must learn to live with the Ro…
      
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      August 11, 2021 2:35pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      I did not say covid was rampant here at any point. Initially, the level system8ndicated that we would move to level 4 only when hospitals were imminent danger of being overwhelmed. In other words, closethe bar door only after the horse had bolted.
      Also, don’t assume that by agreeing than the level system has been modified for good reasons that means that I think the government has handled the covid response well.
      
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      August 11, 2021 2:46pm
    - cmm
      
      The definitions use in the level system are pretty reasonable IMHO.
      
      For example Level 4 is for when sustained and intensive community transmission is happening with widespread outbreaks. Action: lockdowns, shut down hospital services and reprioritise for CV19.
      
      Based on the defined levels, we never made it out of Level 2 (maybe L3 for a week or two worst case), but we got treated with L4 lockdowns.
      
      https://covid19.govt.nz/assets/resources/tables/COVID-19-alert-levels-summary.pdf
      
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      August 11, 2021 5:44pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        We would have had ongoing local transmission, similar to most overseas countries. Deaths and hospitalizations lag infections by about two weeks, so the hospitals would be over run for about a month at a time before level 4 reduced hospitalization. That would have resulted in large umber of premature deaths (plus long covid). Way less than 80,000 dead though.
        If we had gone that way, would we have spent more or less time in various lockdowns? Who knows, but my guess is more.
        
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        August 11, 2021 6:44pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    unleashing the level 4 measures
    
    So you support net detrimental consequences to society? Because that’s what the preponderance of evidence now shows.
    
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    August 11, 2021 2:50pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      I gave no opinion on the merits of lockdown. I simply noted that very early on it was apparent that waiting until the virus was circulating freely and hospitals were overwhelmed before going to full lockdown was inferior to locking down early and eliminating local transmission.
      
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      August 11, 2021 6:35pm
kevn

hipkins in threatening mode now…
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August 11, 2021 2:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  Reminds me of
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33wSxyw39LA
  
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  August 11, 2021 5:45pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Here’s Joe….and he’s carrying the ‘Nuclear Football’ 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/Brick_Suit/status/1425171364843966464
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August 11, 2021 2:53pm
Muttonbird

Leader of the opposition, David Seymour, is demanding Coronavirus be allowed into New Zealand in early 2022, revives “plan B”. Minor party leader, Judith Collins, isn’t sure:

(The) ACT leader…wants border restrictions to begin easing at the start of next year, even if rates of vaccination aren’t high enough.

“If we can’t have risk proportional safe reopening, with antigen testing, rapid testing, with good contact tracing and isolation – if all of that requires vaccination and if vaccination doesn’t work then we’re isolated forever, so clearly we have to have a plan B from vaccination being the endgame. And if we’re not prepared to do it at the start of next year, then when are we prepared to do it?”

Just imagine if these clowns had been anywhere near power when the pandemic struck. We’d have bodies in the streets.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/448957/act-leader-wants-border-restrictions-eased-at-start-of-2022
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August 11, 2021 3:28pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  [deleted for unreasonable abuse of another poster’s character and motivations. Repeat it and you’ll receive a holiday – Mod]
  
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  August 11, 2021 4:14pm
- rangitoto
  
  The current strategy is just delaying the inevitable.
  
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  August 11, 2021 4:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  Oh dear … another silly post. Another quiet day at the standard or are you just not getting the affirmation you so desperately need?
  
  Did you not see how many “bodies” over the age of 70 we have had in the past year?
  
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  August 11, 2021 5:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  We’d have bodies in the streets.
  
  What a moronic statement. Exemplary unfalsifiable science, paraded to demonstrate one’s vast ignorance.
  
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  August 11, 2021 6:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This Covid control shit is starting to fuck me off. I want to go to Hawaii. No masks there, just a negative test within 72 hours. When I return I get ripped off paying for MIQ. Why can I not stay in my own freehold home and wear an ankle monitor with a 100 meter geofence?
What’s that? No ankle bracelets coz all the crims they let out are using them? Only in NZ ffs
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August 11, 2021 5:31pm
- Muttonbird
  
  I want to go to Hawaii.
  
  First World problems.
  
  I think the idea is that in a pandemic the privileged should not be getting favourable treatment over the rest.
  
  I guess it’s the one time you can’t buy your way out of something. Shrug.
  
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  August 11, 2021 5:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Get fucked. I am 69 and semi retired. I would like to enjoy what I have WORKED for without commies telling me what to do, then ripping me off.
    In your ear Muttonburger
    
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    August 11, 2021 6:00pm
    - Mark
      
      Christ I am so glad I do not have to listen to your ill informed fallacious racist monologues in your smoko room.69 and still carrying on like a dumb as gobshit oik.
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Use the scroll on your mouse
        
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        August 12, 2021 5:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Funny how we were raised not to be peer pressured into taking experimental drugs; and now we are being peer pressured into taking experimental drugs.
How does that work???
Wait, I know, fucking socialist control freaks
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August 11, 2021 6:03pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Well there’s no way you going to Hawaii without getting vaccinated.
  
  Scared of needles, are you?
  
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  August 11, 2021 6:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Scared of control freak commies like you and what you may do. Go read the Nuremberg Code and you may understand, but I doubt it
    
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    August 12, 2021 7:52am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126039594/fisheries-boat-forced-to-take-evasive-action-twice-by-pua-poachers
300 crayfish over 2 days?
Customary rights?
Stealing from someone else’s pots?
What a joke: crush their boat, publish their photos and details.
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August 11, 2021 6:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Owners of the crayfish pots he raided? Did I read that right?
  
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  August 11, 2021 7:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    ….pleaded guilty to a charge of operating a ship?
    
    Did I read THAT right? LOL!!!!!
    
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    August 11, 2021 7:09pm
    - sooty
      
      How come they still have that boat!
      Oh that’s right, they’re special!
      
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      August 11, 2021 9:00pm
- [email protected]
  
  The wife and I were going to do a cray dive off our sailboat just South of Horseshoe Bay Last year. We anchored our boat and were waiting to make sure that the anchor was going to hold when a group of “local divers” showed up. They were dragging two floating nets behind them and vacuuming up everything they could see into the two large nets.
  
  We didn’t even bother to get into the water knowing that it was a watste of time to try to gather anything for dinner.
  
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  August 11, 2021 7:54pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300380633/dismiss-the-debate-jacinda-ardern-says-she-doesnt-care-about-winston-churchill-painting-spat#comments

It isn’t in the scheme of things a massive issue, but it does continue a trend of the lefts cancel culture. First a painting, then the statues and so on.
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August 11, 2021 7:55pm
- marcw
  
  She has also said she doesn’t care what people call the country either – amazing for someone who is our Prime Minister. If she doesn’t care, why do we bother being patriotic.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s not as if the Greens have anything much to do whilst in Parliament…so why not do a bit of interior decorating to fill in the day.
  
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  August 11, 2021 8:59pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ardern cares, and would have helped nudge this. One of her heros, Obama, spent his first few minutes in the Oval office ordering that a bronze bust of Churchill, a state gift from UK to USA, was to be packed up … and sent back. Not just stored. Sent back. The painting is Ardern’s “Barack, look at me!!!” moment.
  
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  August 11, 2021 9:31pm
  - cha
    
    Cool story, bro…
    /
    The 69-year-old Conservative MP exclusively told Express.co.uk: “No he didn’t get rid of it. When Obama became president, the then British ambassador had lent George Bush this head of my grandfather from the embassy for his period in
    
    “And when he went, the ambassador wrote and said, ‘Can we have the head back, for the embassy?’
    
    https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/904934/White-House-Winston-Churchill-bust-Donald-Trump-Barack-Obama-Darkest-Hour-Nicholas-Soames
    
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    August 11, 2021 10:57pm
surfing

Troy Bowker is showing his true colours now. Didn’t like him back in uni, and still don’t today.

Anyone seen his latest comments? It doesn’t appear to have been quoted by media as yet, probably just a matter of time.

It crossed my mind as to whether he is going through some kind of mental health episode, but probably not, just speaking his true thoughts.
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August 11, 2021 8:41pm
cha

Only the best experts.

OAN is notable for a January 27 interview with one Edward Solomon, who claimed he was a mathematician who had found evidence that an algorithm had rigged the election.

Yet according to the lawsuit, Solomon was anything but a mathematician. He does not appear to have earned a degree in mathematics, bachelor’s or otherwise, and he seems to be employed as an installer for a swing set company. What’s more, in 2018, he pleaded guilty to a felony charge of “criminal sale of a controlled substance” and was incarcerated for over seven months.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/dominion-voting-files-scorching-1-7b-defamation-lawsuits-against-newsmax-oan/
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PO Box 12270, Thorndon, Wellington 6144

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