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Happychappy

‘Divisive Legislation’ only Maori can go fishing under level 4 legislation.
This legislation is wrong and cowardly if passed under urgency legislation by this Government and needs to be abolished as quickly as possible to stop any more racially create hate by this out of their depth Government.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/nicole-mckee-divisive-legislation-only-maori-can-go-fishing-under-level-4-health-legislation/
If Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister, Poto William’s our Police Minister and the Labour Party think this is honest and right , they are very much mistaken and the consequences could change New Zealand and New Zealander’s forever.
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August 28, 2021 8:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Happy, if you wish to know the leanings of our PM, access the linked-to page below and scroll down to the picture of Cindy and (not permitted to mention on KB) and see what’s hanging around Cindy’s neck.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/clarke-gayfords-fatherhood-lessons-what-neve-is-teaching-me/CB4MR52L4IK53NOMLCX2MW2EPY/
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:29am
  - gravedodger
    
    Of course all while avoiding involving the PM’s family in political discourse out of respect for the innocent.
    Not Kind in so many ways?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:41am
- Ruahine
  
  Perhaps this is also why ‘Maori’ are not getting vaccinated. Too busy fishing.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/126213295/associate-health-minister-disappointed-with-vaccine-uptake-among-mori-admits-system-is-racist
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:53am
  - cmm
    
    Of course the system is racist!
    
    They’ve probably spent $100M providing extra CV19 centres, education, information, incentives etc for Maori.
    
    And still they don’t come.
    
    That stupid person should just pull her head in!
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:12pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Poto Williams – another fucking oxygen thief!
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:37pm
- Ronin
  
  Genuine question:
  If I get “caught” fishing during level 4, what would happen if I told them that I’m part Maori? Which party has the burden of proof? If it’s me, what would be required to prove it?
  
  This is hypothetical, as I’m not much into fishing. Asking for a friend ?
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:17pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Indigenous genetic test passport incoming?
    
    Or just based on the vibe of a person?
    
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    August 28, 2021 5:53pm
    - Nickc2
      
      You can be whatever you like. Who was it in authority that said “if you feel you are a Maori, you can be one?”
      
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      August 28, 2021 6:38pm
      - Ronin
        
        True. If I can choose my gender, why not race? Or age for that matter…? I’m thinking I could not only go fishing, but I could collect Super as well.
        
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        August 28, 2021 7:55pm
Vory v zakone

Wayne Allyn Root declares, ‘This is the most important commentary I’ve ever written’
The communist tyrants and dictators are coming! They’re coming first for unvaccinated Americans.

…1938 Germany was not the Holocaust. It was the pre-Holocaust. It was the time before the nightmare, when the foundation was being laid to destroy the freedom, free speech, businesses and lives of millions of Jews.

First, “the papers.” Vaccine mandates and vaccine passports are just like 1938, when the Gestapo demanded papers from every German.

Republicans asked for “papers” from migrants who had broken into our country. Criminals. Democrats said, “No, that’s racism.” Republicans asked for “papers” once every two years for federal elections, to prove you have a right to vote. Democrats said, “No, that’s racism.”

Now Democrats want American citizens, not illegal aliens, not criminals, but patriots born in this country, to produce papers 24/7. We’ll need papers to enter restaurants, bars, nightclubs, concerts, casinos, conventions and hotels and to board a train, plane or bus. We’ll need papers to enter a supermarket, or we’ll starve to death.
All for the crime of being unwilling to inject an untested, rushed to production, experimental, “for emergency use only” shot into our bodies.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/welcome-1938-first-came-unvaccinated/
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August 28, 2021 8:00am
Ron Jeremy

Bad day at the office for Covinda yesterday some of the press starting to grow a pair. Wasn’t going to be questioned about the supply of vaccines . Plenty coming in October apparently . Still August though. Look at my graph we are world beaters for a day. I’ll have answers for any tricky questions on
Monday once my PR team have come up with acceptable spin.Bit late on the rescue of Afghans . Taliban not being that kind, cheers for the cash though ,can buy some new swords to chop infidels heads off with. Trying best to distance herself from blame for the situation by waving hands and saying we have taken the experts advice on everything .Article for the peeps in the herald on what Gaylord has learned from child to plicate the masses. Sickening.
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August 28, 2021 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s all good; Clarke will fish her out of the muck she’s in…
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:29am
  - kowtow
    
    Sadly the swing voter has ……..swallowed the whole thing , hook , line and sinker .
    
    ( I’ll get my coat)
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:38am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yes, but when they realise what they caught, they’ll throw it back!
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:50am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    A new ‘little dance’ is currently being choreographed for when the big release can be announced…
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:57am
  - Nutta
    
    Only if he’s Maori in L4…
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, expect Clarke to will come ashore (or out of his man cave) read and hear that his beloved had a horrible week at the hands of the media. And in a fit of picque he will take to Facebook and Twitter with a carefully spinmeister scripted piece for the media to consume and disseminate.
    
    He will express his shock that people should be so ungrateful of his beloved’s efforts. Because he knows his beloved loves the people of Aoteoroa so much that all she wants for them is kindness and could they be so ungrateful? Blah, blah, blah etc…./sarc/
    
    In truth, I hope he does, because it will just show how desperate Liebore and their supporters are becoming.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:09am
    - hullkiwi
      
      …and on cue, in the NZ Herald Clarke talking about life with 3 year old daughter, a near death experience, and what gift he is expecting from his beloved.
      
      Labour and their spinmeisters are so predictable you can guess their next move.
      
      Anything to deflect attention….
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’ll send him a 9/0 and a priest.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:14pm
  - Paulus
    
    Unless he does a runner to the Islands to fish !
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:28pm
- thirteenstars
  
  You know, there I was the other night, standing outside the dairy, in the drizzle, my mask on, waiting my turn to go inside; patient, well-behaved, like the poster boy for compliant little Kiwis everywhere, when I looked down a little and there was a women’s magazine** advertisement, big and brightly-coloured, featuring the smirky visage of the PM’s husband and the teaser that he had learned something from his daughter.
  
  And I really felt like I was in an alternative universe. Maybe this is what it’s like to live in North Korea, I thought, waiting in line for your rice ration, starving, while the overfed chubby face of Dear Leader smiles back at you from a thousand propaganda posters.
  
  My turn came but they were out of milk.
  
  **Tightly Wound Monthly, I think .
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:50am
- PhilBest
  
  HUUGE irony here:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed–study
  
  Airborne transmission of Covid-19 more widespread than previously believed – study
  
  (Old news actually)
  
  Embedded in that article is a video titled:
  “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says lockdown is starting to work and isn’t interested in debating NZ’s Covid response strategy.”
  
  Anyone else spot the irony?
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:54am
  - Ra Henare
    
    WOW, so its time to print something as tho it is a new discovery.
    
    ITS NOT.
    
    Its been known since last year that Covid is spread by aerosol. A simple google serach will show that.
    
    eg
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/risa.13500
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:13am
    - PhilBest
      
      My point exactly.
      
      This writer I think takes first prize:
      
      Roxanne Khamsi, writing in Wired, March 14, 2020:
      “They Say Coronavirus Isn’t Airborne — but It’s Definitely Borne By Air”
      
      Maurice de Hond in the Netherlands was blogging furiously about aerosols from late March 2020.
      
      Dozens of aerosol experts arranged a Zoom conference with the WHO’s experts on 6 April, 2020. Had they been listened to, the whole history could have been different.
      
      A Google Document pages long was posted by frustrated aerosols experts in August 2020 headed “FAQs on Protecting Yourself from COVID-19 Aerosol Transmission”
      
      Here is one of the top experts being interviewed on TV in October, telling the whole story
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJSPL9LQCiM
      
      It is shameful and infuriating. All the blood on hands in this pandemic, is on the hands of the officials who obstructed this knowledge all this time.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I try to avoid dystopian surveillance tube. They and similar platforms don’t deserve patronage. Most of these videos are up on alternative video sites.
        
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        August 28, 2021 5:40pm
  - nathie
    
    Also the latter shows that the PM’s thinking/understanding of the issue is a bit lacking and is clouding their strategy … which means their covid response strategy isn’t worth the paper it is written on, whenever the PM changes tack once she finally wakes up to the fact that “elimination” strategy not only isn’t going to work (she could have seen this months ago), but the international criticism is seeing her start to spin 180.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126203550/covid19-jacinda-ardern-and-the-last-lockdown
    
    So (today’s signals about changing from “elimination”) it’s all to do with preserving her international reputation … surely not?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:16am
  - Justitia
    
    Shaun Hendy recommends New Zealanders should be starved rather than risk them catching COVID:
    
    “University of Auckland Covid-19 modeller Shaun Hendy said the Government may need to look at tightening alert level-4 restrictions if the outbreak did not plateau soon.
    
    This could include shutting some supermarkets and other essential businesses.
    
    “If it doesn’t plateau over the next few days then we may need to be thinking about tightening alert level-4 restrictions. The real worry is if we continue to see spread through businesses that are operating.”
    Hendy suggested thinking about “selectively closing supermarkets”. (NZ Herald today).
    
    It’s all just a numbers game, obviously.
    
    It’s all about the numbers which expose this abject government.
    .
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:02pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      This is what happens when you get narrow-specialisation boffins making public policy recommendations without wide consultation with a wide range of other experts in dealing with pandemics. This phenomenon is actually something that Michael Yeadon (former chief science officer at Pfizer) mentioned.
      
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      August 28, 2021 6:00pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The utube of the event was a tad bad for the minders to massage.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEij6mYmBSw
  views 60,804
  Likes 529 dislikes 1100
  Luckily a minder had the comments turned off.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:13am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Which demonstrates, yet again, that pooptube is run by the same kinds of censorious far left wackos as wokeypedia and fakebook.
    
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    August 28, 2021 6:06pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Woops didn’t read properly. I mistakenly thought it said YT turned the likes/dislikes off (which they did for Biden when his stuff tanked with dislikes). In this case it would have been dear leader’s own propaganda staff blocking comments.
      
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      August 28, 2021 6:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Taking experts advice is her choice. Acting on other’s advice is her responsibility.
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:40pm
- Alwyn Poole
  
  Do we know yet why the UN person (and who they were) got flown in from Fiji but not – for example – the two child in this report today?
  
  “11 deaths in Fiji
  Two children are among 11 people who have died from Covid-19 in Fiji, reports RNZ.
  
  The Government also confirmed 205 new cases for the 24 hours to 8am on Friday.
  
  That compares with 423 cases and six deaths the previous day.
  
  Health Secretary Dr James Fong said the children’s deaths showed a new picture of how the virus is spreading in the community.
  
  “The death of a child is always terrible and sadly Covid-19 does not discriminate. Whilst we know children are at significantly lower risk of suffering severe Covid, unfortunately as we continue to see the virus spread in our community, we will see children being infected and some tragically dying from the virus.
  
  “This is why I cannot reinforce enough that while Covid-19 vaccines are critically important, we must all continue to practise other Covid safety measures if we want to see a drop in cases in our community.
  
  “This means wearing a mask properly, keeping a physical distance from others outside our household, washing our hands regularly and avoiding crowds.
  
  “Without these measures and high levels of vaccination coverage, we can expect to see Covid continue to spread in our communities and find those who are most vulnerable.”
  
  Unfortunately, Dr Fong said the situation in the Western Division was getting worse.
  
  He said they were seeing an intensifying outbreak in the west.
  
  He said while there was drop in infections in the past 24 hours, they were concerned at the location of these cases.
  
  “We are now managing outbreaks in multiple locations across Fiji, including in some remote areas with limited healthcare infrastructure.” – RNZ
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:24pm
peterwn

I posted this to Facebook in response to a contributor thinking that power companies are not building sufficient ‘green’ generation:
All five ‘gentailers’ have generation projects in the pipeline to meet any future increasing demand and will commence construction when the time seems appropriate. However the industry does not have access to the perfect crystal ball which predicts short and longer term demand, ‘dry’ years (as at present), wind not blowing as anticipated and sun not shining as anticipated. The unpredictability of the Aluminium Smelter future adds to forecasting woes. The major generators would readily build more if they knew they were going to get a return on the investment, but if they ‘overbuild’ the regulatory agencies will stop them getting this return. The Government could make this hefty expenditure (think Lake Onslow but other projects would be needed too) but this moves the risk to the taxpayer which means indirectly subsidised power. Anyone looking at this in depth recognises the need for cheap backstop generation to support mainstream generation to cover adverse circumstances. Even people who live ‘off grid’ will generally support their solar and wind generation with a petrol or diesel driven generator. Anyway such people probably use solid fuel (!) or LPG for cooking, heating and hot water and need to run the generator to do the washing or run larger handyman tools.
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August 28, 2021 8:04am
Souvlaki

Ardern & Faafoi have blood on their hands…no matter which way you spin it!
Imagine the uproar in the press if it were John Key who treacherously deserted those who for years assisted our troops in SUCH a callous and cavalier fashion!
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August 28, 2021 8:06am
- Scott
  
  Souvlaki – far from me to defend this government, but all of the allies were totally left high and dry when the Biden administration abruptly pulled out their troops and closed their bases and left behind all their equipment. Great Britain was left high and dry and are frantically trying to get out their people. Australia sent in their SAS to try and get out their people. Even American former Green Berets have tried to go in and get out Americans who have been left behind.
  
  I know from personal contacts that the New Zealand army is very concerned about the fate of Afghan interpreters and others who help them. What more can be done by New Zealand without the umbrella of American military might is unclear?
  
  In this case I would say the blood is on the hands of Joe Biden and his incompetent leaders and his incompetent military generals. Who pulls out the military people first? Who doesn’t inform their allies of what they are going to do? Who deliberately leaves behind millions of dollars of precious military equipment including Black Hawk helicopters that will now be used against them and also fall into the hands of their enemies. I am sure that China and Iran would like to look at the military equipment and reverse engineer it.
  
  Who relies on the Taliban to guarantee their security? Well the Americans did and 100 Afghans have died and 13 of their own troops.
  
  No, Joe Biden is at fault. He must be the weakest and most incompetent American president ever.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Nope. There was plenty of evidence that the Taliban was advancing across Afghanistan and meeting little resistance at least two weeks before Kabul fell. Instead the Government, in particular Ardern, Mahuta, Henare and Faafoi had plenty of time to plan for the evacuation of New Zealanders and those aligned to us.
    
    But no, they sat on the hands, and as the Taliban reached Kabul Ardern didn’t see the need to convene an urgent Cabinet meeting to initiate a rescue mission. By the time Cabinet finally met, Kabul had fallen, and by the time the C130 finally headed off three days later, our response was too little, too late. The fate of those left behind rests fairly and squarely with the New Zealand Government.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:35am
    - Nickc2
      
      Unfortunately Tony, that won’t be reported by our MSM.
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:39am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Totally agree Tony, “Reading between the lines “was essential for a Safe evacuation.
      Looking highly like in excess of 200+ left to the mercy of the Taliban.
      Putting politics aside, it is looking highly unlikely they will get out after being sent to the Airport.
      
      Waiting for Governments response.
      
      Can only think if they had “better” relations with Oz things might of been better.
      Oz got all there citizens out before the bombing.
      
      And then you see this “hit piece”, From Stuff.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/126199362/thanks-for-bringing-us-closer-together-scomo
      
      ANZAC relations have been taken over by political ideals.
      
      Well done Ozzies in getting everyone out.
      NZ Government, Still waiting for your reply?
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:53am
      - Ra Henare
        
        I dont know about you but it seems the newspapers have given up on Letters to the editor and just got some hack to produce opinion pieces.
        
        I theink we should stop calling the newspapers and call them for what they are. Opinion papers.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:18am
      - Nickc2
        
        The first NZers out of Afghanistan were taken out by an Aust C-17, flown to Dubai and transferred to the NZ C-130 who thook them to …….. They arrived back in NZ on a commercial flight AFIK.
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/449718/afghanistan-airlift-nz-citizens-among-hundreds-on-australian-flights-out-of-kabul.
        The ANZAC spirit is not dead (yet).
        
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        August 28, 2021 12:38pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        I don’t want to be unkind, but when I saw Andrew Gunn’s photo in that opinion piece I immediately thought of the Hobbiton scenes in the Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit. He looks like an extra.
        
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        August 29, 2021 6:18am
    - PhilBest
      
      The US State Department is pointing out that they have been issuing warnings to “GET OUT NOW” for months.
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:55am
    - Drone
      
      But he Taliban are indigenous..
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Nursing home grade, what else can we expect?
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:52pm
Tricati

Saw this post on Facebook from Chris Bishop, and have no doubt, the issue raised won’t see the light of day in our MSM
‘The government allocated $62 billion for a COVID Response Fund. Did they spend this on contact tracing, testing capacity, and extra ICU capacity? That would have been sensible.
Instead, it was used as a slush fund. Here’s a list of some of the things the money went on.
Arts grants: $374,000,000 (e.g., $17 million for art therapy clinics)
Flood protection in the Far North: $12,500,000
Cameras on fishing boats: $26,600,000
“Regional digital connectivity”: $50,000,000
Horse racing: $52,500,000
“Public Interest” Journalism: $55,000,000
Internet modems for students: $87,000,000
Affordable housing projects: $100,000,000
“Transformative energy” projects: $155,000,000
Various large-scale construction projects: $180,000,000
Construction of one building at the University of Auckland: $200,000,000
“Climate resilience” projects: $210,000,000
School lunches: $515,800,000 (yes, half a billion dollars)
“Jobs for Nature”: $1,219,000,000’

I can now understand why the fund is so low and Robbo is looking to borrow more money.
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August 28, 2021 8:06am
- Prince
  
  Bishop does an outstanding job pointing out the incompetence of this Govt. His tweets inevitably draw a swarm of nasty ad hominem attacks from Jacindarites, but that just indicates how effective he is.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:32am
  - gump
    
    Chris Bishop just got demoted with the National caucus. His political clock is ticking.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300393586/national-party-reshuffle-judith-collins-strips-chris-bishop-of-key-portfolio
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:08am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      You’re falling for the Govt-bribed MSM spin, Gump. Responding to COVID is a full time job; better that subsidiary portfolios are handed to others.
      
      Would that Labour would take the same approach. The demands of COVID, Education & SSC would overwhelm a talented workaholic. Chris Hipkins even more so.
      
      Apart from anything else, you’d have thought there was a former teacher within Labour who could pick up Education.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:32am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Dead right NMTB – see my fuller response to Brian McDonald further down the page.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:49am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      He did not get demoted, his ranking is unchanged.
      Maybe the size of his Covid Recovery job demands too much of his time.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:35am
- Jack5
  
  Yes, thanks to the Taxpayers’ Union for digging out this information.
  
  I hope Bishop, who is praised for this in a post above, acknowledged the Taxpayers’ Union as his source.
  
  Or, or … did he do the spade work, and the Taxpayers’ Union didn’t thank him? I doubt it.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yep; Robertson raided the Covid fund for a host of vanity projects, not thinking that the money would be urgently needed just around the corner.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:36am
- Vory v zakone
  
  COVID-19 ISN’T A DISEASE TO LIARBOUR
  
  IT’S AN OPPORTUNITY
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:53am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  This would appear to be illegal. As Kev O’B has pointed out here from time to time, money appropriated by Parliament can only be used for the approved purpose.
  
  If the Taxpayers Union were to take the Govt to court, I’d spot them a few bucks in support.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:27am
- Happychappy
  
  I think you will find $3 billion out of Covid went to setting up this fund.
  https://kaingaora.govt.nz/news/housing-acceleration-fund-to-increase-supply-of-homes/
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:12pm
Andrei

Day 11 sigh!

🃘 🃑 🂡 🂨

🂳
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August 28, 2021 8:07am
MrTips

Last night, the MoH had to hurriedly alter their website on COVID level restrictions. At Level 1, it stated:

“You can continue to attend events and gatherings after you have been vaccinated”.

This was removed after 8:30pm as a backlash ensued from the public, asking why Level 1 demanded these sorts of restrictions and what does that say about future intentions of the govt. Are they already planning COVID passports for daily life?

And it’s been screengrabbed MoH, by many,many people.
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August 28, 2021 8:08am
- Surely Knott
  
  From HealthNavigator.org.nz
  
  “How long does protection from the Pfizer vaccine last?
  
  Data from Medsafe shows that protection from the Pfizer vaccine lasts for at least 2 months. It is expected that the vaccine will provide protection for longer than 2 months, although exactly how long for remains unknown at this stage. This is because not enough time has passed since the clinical trials started to be able to accurately answer this.
  
  As part of the conditional approval of the Pfizer vaccine, more data is to be provided as it becomes available. ”
  
  2 months protection!?!
  
  So how will a passport work. How long does the passport last for. How many times do you need to be jabbed as a teacher, nurse etc? Every two months? What do they mean by protection specifically? 2 months of protection from severe symptoms or spread or….
  
  https://www.healthnavigator.org.nz/medicines/c/comirnaty-covid-19-vaccine/
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:23pm
Greg Ettridge

This is what happens when an old man charading as a President and a laughing clown as a vice President make all the decisions.
3.15AMCONFIRMED: Taliban begun operation of taking over the whole Kabul airport, which should continue during the night Afghanistan.
4.03AM Kabul airport is now under Taliban’s control
4.54AM US and its allies are not yet going to recognize the Taliban as the authorities of Afghanistan – White House
5.19AM After August 31, the management of the Kabul airport will be transferred to Afghanistan.
Biden and Harris have no control, all they have to do is wake up and realise they relinquished it, for all the Biden supporters , this is what you voted for.
A new weak woke new world, leaderless not just in the US, but it’s spread faster than the WuHU flu throughout the democracies of the world.
We are in deep shit and no sign of clear air.
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August 28, 2021 8:08am
- artemisia
  
  Afghanistan. Yesterday HDPA interviewed Minister of Defence Peeni Henare about whether the Guardian report that none of the 38 who assisted New Zealand there, and who hold visas, have been airlifted. Minister Henare’s answer ”No that’s not true”.
  
  HDPA persisted and immediately Minster Henare started to walk that back, saying he didn’t yet know, but ”I’m confident we have”.
  
  Plus there have been hundreds of emails he said. Certainly did not sound like a Minister across his portfolio.
  
  Afghanistan is not called graveyard of empires for nothing. Not sure if being in charge of New Zealand’s Defence Force could be called an empire ….
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:13am
- Scott
  
  All of the allies were totally left high and dry when the Biden administration abruptly pulled out their troops and closed their bases and left behind all their equipment. Great Britain was left high and dry and are frantically trying to get out their people. Australia sent in their SAS to try and get out their people. Even American former Green Berets have tried to go in and get out Americans who have been left behind.
  
  I know from personal contacts that the New Zealand army is very concerned about the fate of Afghan interpreters and others who help them. What more can be done by New Zealand without the umbrella of American military might is unclear?
  
  The responsibility for this fiasco lies with Joe Biden and his incompetent leaders and his incompetent military generals. Who pulls out the military people first? Who doesn’t inform their allies of what they are going to do? Who deliberately leaves behind millions of dollars of precious military equipment including Black Hawk helicopters that will now be used against them and also fall into the hands of their enemies. I am sure that China and Iran would like to look at the military equipment and reverse engineer it.
  
  Who relies on the Taliban to guarantee their security? Well the Americans did and 100 Afghans have died and 13 of their own troops.
  
  Joe Biden is at fault. He must be the weakest and most incompetent American president ever.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:18am
- PhilBest
  
  As Mark Steyn keeps saying, if these people were working for the enemy, what would they have done differently?
  
  Billions of bucks worth of hi tech military gear abandoned to the enemy. Lists of names of everyone who was ever paid by the US military for providing assistance. 1500 Americans left to be used as hostages by the Taliban – one’s stomach clenches at the possibilities.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:24am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Even more, as well as literally tens of billions in armaments and high tech equipment the clown show of an administration left behind hundreds of millions in cash, nicely packaged up for the Taliban.
    
    If you planned to make this a complete and absolute balls up, could you have done worse ?
    
    All those who thought that voting for Biden would “bring back the adults and diplomacy”, please stand up and take a bow, you were conned HARD !
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:03am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Now the territory has been lost with few if any US military on the ground, you have to wonder why the drones haven’t taken out the Blackhawks etc. Maybe that happens at 00.01am 1 September. Even scheduled self detonation would be better than leaving these behind.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:49pm
- gravedodger
  
  President and veep making decisions, err no, they are puppets responding to darker never identified masters that include Obama along with a coterie of that former administration. Whitehouse Chief of Staff Ron Klein is the facilitator.
  Just watch the poor demented sod Joe, on the teleprompter, struggling to focus let alone comprehend the prompts, eventually he will actually read out the final words, “now just walk away”!!
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:34am
  - PhilBest
    
    https://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/call-it-8/
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:16pm
- dcrane
  
  So far the US and the west are denying the Taliban government access to the nation’s assets (those that weren’t stolen on the way out anyway).
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/us-wont-let-taliban-access-afghanistans-financial-assets-held-in-america.html
  
  So, more gang behavior by western allies. We see this already with places like Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba. They will make the people of Afghanistan suffer for having defeated the occupation. The state will be more likely to fail and foster regional disruption.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:38am
- Master Mariner
  
  Meanwhile Australia got all its own out.
  A total breakdown of the ANZAC commitments and over reliance on UN .
  Where is NZ
  From the Guardian,
  “Ali, along with a number of other Afghan workers and translators, had made a number of applications to come to New Zealand in the months leading up to Kabul’s fall. Those applications were widely reported on by New Zealand media. They were repeatedly turned down by the government. According to Stuff, immigration minister Kris Faafoi wrote to the group on 5 July to say the government was not looking to “extend” assistance to the former workers.”
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/27/total-betrayal-afghan-interpreters-shocked-as-new-zealand-ends-kabul-evacuation
  
  This should be front page news throughout NZ. The total ineptitude of the Government has put NZ’ers and Interpreters life in serious risk. Like everything with this Government refugees takes center stage and NZ’ers a low second. Much the same as NZ seafarers working abroad.
  
  Its looking highly likely this Government is going to have innocent deaths on there hands which should have been totally avoidable.
  
  NZ should not accept this ineptitude.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:14am
  - DeepBlue
    
    And to think about the enquires we had after the SAS raid, over a handful or fewer victims. Certainly not 39 or 200 or whatever this turns out to be.
    
    Hard and Early, but only after the weekend.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:55pm
- PhilBest
  
  Get the cattle prod onto the moderator this morning, please
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:38am
- emmess
  
  An analogy
  Three men decide to take a road trip from Auckland to Wellington. Let’s call them Barry, Donny and Joseph
  
  Barry starts driving and get as far a Hamilton and hands over to Donny.
  Donny drives most of the way to Palmy and then hands over to Joseph.
  On the outskirts of Wellington, Joseph falls asleep and crashes. Joesph is pulled out of the wreck and points the finger at Donny, ‘he did it, he set the GPS’.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:33am
Gravelroad

I see the Herald is running another celebrity story about Clarke Gayford and what being a father taught him. I’m not reading it.
Is there no end to the conceit and entitledness of the Ardern family?
A story bought and paid for by the Labour Party in a newspaper with no moral fibre.
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August 28, 2021 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  Grav, being a father taught me that certain contraceptives aren’t 100% effective.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:35am
- Yvette
  
  Gravelroad – A story bought and paid for by the Labour Party in a newspaper with no moral fibre.
  The Herald reprints it from the New Zealand’s Woman’s Weekly so I am unsure how they will split up the Government media handout, but may indicate the Herald is befert of positive Ardern fodder at the moment.
  
  And as he chats to the Weekly at Auckland’s Okahu Bay, with Rangitoto rising from the Hauraki Gulf behind him …
  
  And “taken as one for the team” – the least vacuous saline points seem to be –
  “I was driving Neve home from daycare recently,” says Gayford. “And out of the blue, from the back seat, came a little voice that said, ‘Dad, can you take me fishing?’ It was completely unprompted and I was like, ‘Absolutely, we can make that happen!'”
  
  The [Gayford television fishing] programme is now in its sixth season and Gayford and co-creator Mike Bhana have just released their first book, also called Fish of the Day, which takes readers to some of the world’s best fishing spots, and provides seafood recipes and cooking tips from a host of international chefs.
  So, perhaps the item’s biggest takeaway information: a book is coming
  
  And, last sentence – When asked what his own dream Father’s Day experience might be, he can’t help but laugh. “Wow,” he says. “My dream Father’s Day gig would be for Mum to have a proper day off work!”
  
  Maybe Gayford doesn’t know what Mum does for work – well, the rest of us do wonder at times
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:24am
  - Jack5
    
    Shameful!
    
    While the State threatens freedom of speech, the country’s biggest newspaper sucks up to Big Sister with a panegyric about the Consort, Prince Fisherman.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:54am
- marcw
  
  What do you expect when the 4th estate become the 5th column.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:03am
krazykiwi

Israeli paper shows natural immunity significantly more protective than Pfizer. The evidence in support of this assertion has been building for months.

So why is there not more being done to focus on treatment protocols?
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August 28, 2021 8:13am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yeah kk, is the Plandemic™ narrative starting to fall apart? That Israeli Study says the vaxx is no longer as effective.
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ends-debate-israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:16am
  - PhilBest
    
    Possibly no one person is as up to date and well informed and authoritative as Dr Peter McCullough
    
    Full video here:
    
    https://odysee.com/@voicesforfreedom:6/Dr-Peter-McCullough
    
    There is also a shorter shareable here:
    
    https://odysee.com/@voicesforfreedom:6/Peter-McCullough-advice-to-NZ-govt:d
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:58am
    - Ra Henare
      
      It seems that his employer and others dont agree with you re Peter McCulloch.
      
      I prefer Dr John Cambell
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzXHnUViro
      
      Initially I watch his presentation to Texas Senate.
      Then I started doing some digging. Now I am not so sure.
      
      No denying his enthusiasm and dedication.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:26am
      - PhilBest
        
        There is such a gulf between what the two sides top experts are saying, one side has to be knowingly lying. So which side most potentially has “an agenda”? Which side is being leveraged by the MSM, is always a warning sign. The use of coercion and fear on those who have specialist knowledge, like Doctors, should be unnecessary to protect actual truth.
        
        Besides being straight-out coerced, many of them have too much to lose if they were delicensed; the massive increase in mortgage and rental burdens has probably been something the elites have been rubbing their hands in glee about; and a classic coping strategy is to out blinkers on rather than look into things. Because then you can plead ignorance one day, and “just following orders”.
        
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        August 28, 2021 4:22pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Speaking of Plandemic™ ‘Circle Back’ Jen Psaki, from her very own WH Podium of Truth, uttered the phrase
    
    “Global Plandemic” ?
    
    Via Freudian slip Jen said the quiet part out loud. ?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:01am
  - Yvette
    
    krazykiwi and Vory v zakone
    
    What this article does not seem to mention is that this proposition, that the anti-body’s of a natural infection may better protect you than a vaccination, is that an obvious condition for this to be true, is that one needs to survive the initial natural full-on infection.
    A full vaccination is supposed to reduce the severity of the disease if you contract it, and presumably therefore heighten your chances (and particularly those of the elderly) of not dying from an pre-existing respiratory condition or other comorbidity, whereas an unprepared-for straight-on infection may do for you, rendering further fighting off any second infection as “academic” – in the sense of not of practical relevance, of only theoretical interest, or not even that – since the matter could be at a dead end.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:27am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The case survival rate is 99.8% across the entire population, 99.95% for those aged less than 70, and 99.997% for children. The actual risk for an individual will be established by age, comorbidities, treatment protocol etc.
      
      Whether or vaccinated or not, the vast, vast majority of infections (where there are more infections than cases) result in a recovery. So there are lots of clinical research candidates. Have a read of the paper I linked below. There is more research appearing on this each week.
      
      A topic I’ve not found much on yet is the strength with with the immune system responds once vaccine-provided protection attenuates. Papers from 6 months ago mostly postulated that it would be business as usual, which would be optimum for public health.
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:02pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  More bullshit from you as usual.
  From the real world and concludes that “herd immunity” outcomes against variants are unknown.
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext
  Head back to your train set.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:58am
  - EssenX
    
    Is that the same Lancet that created a generation of anti-vaxxers by publishing false research?
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:43pm
- Jack5
  
  Jews are having the same debate about whether to vaccinate.
  
  This is from the Israel news agency, JTA. It’s a comment from a New York rabbi:
  
  “The threat of coronavirus is real, it’s imminent and millions of people are now standing directly in harm’s way. When lives are on the line, the Torah’s ethics do not countenance nonfeasance. Refusing to receive the vaccine is tantamount to standing idly by while another person is being assaulted. If achieving herd immunity will save lives – and there is no doubt that it will – then each of us has a responsibility to help our nation achieve that goal. To shirk that responsibility is to fall woefully short of what the Torah expects of us.”
  
  The heading on this is: Our government can’t force us to take the COVID-19 vaccine, but our morals should compel us to.
  
  https://www.jta.org/2021/02/09/opinion/our-government-cant-force-us-to-take-the-covid-19-vaccine-but-our-morals-should-compel-us-to
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here is the paper:
  
  Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
  
  SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected
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  SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected
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  This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:44am
  - EssenX
    
    Thanks for posting. I mentioned a few days ago to Benedict that, based on general principles, natural immunity would be stronger than the vaccines. The paper seems to confirm that. However, my overall view, like Yvette above it seems, is that vaccines should still be used to reduce disease severity and death. The Government must get everyone that wants a vaccine to be able to have a vaccine by 30 September. After that, we have to allow COVID in and live with it. It won’t be easy, but it will be the best hybrid path out.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:47pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      By 30 Sept? I think you’ll find that we will run out of vaccine long before then.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:18pm
      - EssenX
        
        Yes and that’s a problem for the Prime Minister to solve (or perhaps her army of comms people to “spin”). If we’re still trying to vaccinate in October or November, we’re in trouble.
        
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        August 28, 2021 2:43pm
Cinematic

So finally the lies and obfuscation of Jacinda and Bloomfield around vaccine availability are brought to light in today’s newspapers. It’s a toxic cocktail of laziness, incompetence and negligence.

They didn’t order enough. They didn’t order early enough. They have failed NZ. They should resign.
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August 28, 2021 8:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Chris Hipkins, TVNZ 17 November 2020:
  
  Hipkins told TVNZ1’s Breakfast this morning New Zealand was “very well placed” to get its hands on successful vaccines for the virus, which has so far killed more than 1.3 million people worldwide.
  
  “Without going into detail I think we’re in a very good place to ensure that as vaccines start to come to market New Zealand will be at the front of the queue to be getting vaccines,” he said.
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-zealand-front-queue-chris-hipkins-says-nation-well-placed-covid-19-vaccine-roll
  
  I was challenged by a lefty during the week who told me that Hipkins never actually said we’d be at the head of the queue, and that his words were taken out of context. I suggested she might want to consult a defamation lawyer if she was suggesting that TVNZ had knowingly manipulated a statement.
  
  Once again, the Ardern Government over-promised and under-delivered. This time however, the consequences have been severe.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:42am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    I clearly remember Hipkins saying that at time before Delta was having its impact. So what, he was deluded or bullshitting?
    While you’ve got your spin hat on Tony what happened to Nat’s unity? And why a portfolio shuffles so soon.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:18am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The policy reshuffle has been signalled for months Brian. Collins has been doing performance appraisals of everyone in caucus, and has made a few changes. I’m delighted to see Barbara Kuriger elevated to Agriculture spokeswoman, and Joseph Mooney from Southland given rural communities. Barbara connected really well with local farmers when she and Ian McKelvie had a meeting here a few months ago; conversely, we didn’t see David Bennett last year at all.
      
      As for Bishop apparently being “demoted”, Collins called this week for Education to be taken off Hipkins because the workload of that and Covid was too much. She’s put her reshuffle where her mouth is, and given Bishop one sole focus. Given the amount of National policy on Covid Labour has appropriated and implemented, I think that’s an excellent move! Let’s not forget that Covid is the single most expensive event in New Zealand’s history, and as such, it deserves a Minister focused on nothing else.
      
      Ardern’s problem of course is that there’s such a void of talent in Labour’s ranks that she can’t just take Education of Hipkins without there being someone capable to taking it on.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:46am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Right on…
        
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        August 28, 2021 1:10pm
      - Paulus
        
        Kuriger comes from a large Farming family and is/has been a Farmer herself so knows what she is talking about.
        
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        August 28, 2021 1:36pm
    - EssenX
      
      Before Delta there were already worrying variants in South Africa, UK, South America. Your post merely shows how naive and shortsighted Hipkins and co were. This is confirmed by the recent news that Panpac had tried to work with MBIE to create standards to enable certified businesses to work at Level 4, but MBIE didn’t believe we’d ever have another Level 4!
      
      Furthermore, supply isn’t the only issue. The way the entire vaccination system has been set up was destined to be slow even if we had supply. For example, one issue is how the MOH deemed GP practices incapable of delivering vaccines even though Foundation practices met 140/165 COVID vaccination standards (yes, 165 standards to deliver a jab!). These are the same practices that deliver a range of vaccinations, but all of sudden can’t deliver COVID vaccinations. Talk to the GP College about what they think about the MOH and the Government’s vaccine rollout.
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:54pm
- Jack5
  
  What’s going on with ventilator numbers?
  
  In March and July of last year, Nikki Mandow was writing of urgent moves by the Government to make ventilators in this country.
  
  Stephen Tindall, Rob Fyfe, and Sam Morgan talked of making a ventilator developed by Christchurch anaesthetist John Hyndman and his friend Ivan Batistich.
  
  Earlier, we even had a Kiwiblog poster (was it CMM?) talking of organising engineering types to make ventilators.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/03/19/1089022/businesses-ardern-move-fast-on-medical-ventilators
  
  AND
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/two-cents-worth/story/2018753408/the-little-ventilator-that-could-during-covid
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:14am
  - PhilBest
    
    The rest of the world stopped talking about ventilators a year ago. Have our officials not read anything about this pandemic since around February 2020???? By late March it was understood that ventilator treatment itself was actually topping a high proportion of the patients
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:17pm
  - cmm
    
    It might have been me.
    
    I kicked off a ventilator project but was thwarted by lack of responses from the people that would need to allow us to import components etc. during a lockdown. I didn’t get any responses from MPs (including my own – Brownlie – leading to me making 2 yellow ticks in the 2020 election instead of my customary one yellow, one blue).
    
    I then canned the effort when:
    A) It was shown that ventilators were not helping and were, in fact being over used and often killing more than they cured.
    B) NZ already had a massive ventilator order (few million bucks) in place. I don’t know if those have arrived yet – should have since that was well over a year ago.
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:03pm
slightlyrighty

The Anti-Right, Pro-Left bias of the MSM is stunning, and could not be better encapsulated by Tom Scott’s latest cartoon.

This is some musing on a potential reaction from Mike Hosking on the laughable proposition that our PM has discovered a cure for cancer.

Our PM can’t cure Child Poverty, Housing Hyperinflation or in fact any of the other things she has highlighted at all.

If she cured cancer, I’m sure that Hosking would share my view that it’s a miracle that she has managed to achieve anything at all!
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August 28, 2021 8:22am
- Biscuit
  
  slightlyrighty, Jacinda HAS (using OUR money, mind) managed to cure Tom’s fears that he mightn’t ‘earn’ enough with his wokist, leftist cartoons to keep his cat fed…
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:14am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  She’s acheived 2 election wins after coming in as a “ring in” for the job when Little stepped aside. Can you or Mike match that?
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:20am
  - Ra Henare
    
    She achieved one election win and one anointment by Winston.
    There fixed it for you.
    
    Ring in? She was deputy leader of labour. Or did you forget that bit
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:30am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Brian. While Labour formed the government after the 2017 election, I can hardly call it a win. The party that got the most votes was National. The winner was Winston, the beneficiary was Labour, and the Loser was the NZ Public.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:06pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I remember when political cartoonists made their names by speaking truth to power.
  
  I wonder whether Tom Scott ever goes through his cartoons from the 1970s & 1980s, & compares & contrasts them to his recent output.
  
  If you don’t Tom, I’ll save you the bother. 1970s Tom is an order of magnitude superior to 2020s Tom.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:41am
  - oldfella
    
    Tom would be well served checking out Garrick Tremain. A real political cartoonist.
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:39pm
kiwikidsnz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/126213295/associate-health-minister-disappointed-with-vaccine-uptake-among-mori-admits-system-is-racist

Well, they would say that wouldn’t they.
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August 28, 2021 8:23am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  …”Dr Jansen also took issue with a ‘‘colour-blind’’ booking system that was at odds with good outcomes for Māori because it defaulted to ‘‘mainstream Pākehā settings’’.
  
  ‘‘Māori and Pacific people have found it much harder to engage with text messages to tell them to go to a booking app, so that hasn’t worked well for us.””…
  
  Hmmm, brown people don’t know how to use Text or Smart Phones or websites.
  Who knew?
  The racism of low expectations is strongest with Brown-advocates speaking to the media.
  I would be embarrassed to be considered some sort of child-like helpless imbecile – based on my genetics, but Hey! That’s how you fight racism.
  With MORE racism.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:51am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    And your experience is?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:21am
    - EssenX
      
      I have many criticisms for the MOH and the Government. But my experience is that they have tried very hard to prioritise Maori and Pasifika. I have seen, first hand, clinics in South Auckland dedicated early in the vaccination rollout to target these demographics via booking or walk-in. Some people have turned up and good on them. Others haven’t. Many have likened their early delivery to being guinea pigs before Pakeha get it. Now they’re complaining they’re running behind. You can’t have it both ways. At some point, these groups need to take personal responsibility.
      
      1 more thing from personal experience: the Samoan and Tongan communities, at least, are extremely well connected on social media as a means to stay in touch with their vast diaspora. This idea that they don’t know how to read text messages is demeaning. The real issue is vaccine hesitancy. One famous Pasifika doctor recently lamented that people always contact him when they have a minor headache, but now there’s COVID they’re contacting the Church Minister on what on do…
      
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      August 28, 2021 1:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Dr Jansen comes from a solid, well off pakeha family, who has lately embraced a small strand of his wakapapa. There’s no zealot like the recent convert.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:43am
    - Jack5
      
      The NZ medical register lists as a GP, Rawiri McKree Jansen. The register notes a previous name: David Mark Jansen.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:14pm
- you reap what you sow
  
  Maybe they are taking advice from billy Te Kahika.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:52am
- Nutta
  
  Labour arising charge of the health system and have been for four years.
  
  If they’re running a racist system, and their own Associate Minister claims they are, then they have no choice but to resign immediately.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:07am
- you reap what you sow
  
  Bruce Cottrell writes that the issue is that the Ardern government lacks urgency. That’s true. But the real issue is how come half NZ voting population believe the propaganda.
  
  Watch https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/fox-and-the-big-lie:-how-the-network-promoted/13510238
  
  To see how news outlets now behave.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:33am
- slightlyrighty
  
  At some point you have to take responsibility for your own outcomes.
  
  I look forward to the day that those minorities who deem themselves to be repressed, actually realise this!
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:08pm
cmm

Oh shit, everything is going to hell…

Time to fire the feelz cannons

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/clarke-gayfords-fatherhood-lessons-what-neve-is-teaching-me/CB4MR52L4IK53NOMLCX2MW2EPY/
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August 28, 2021 8:24am
- PhilBest
  
  Trouble is around 50% of the voting population falls for this kind of stuff.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Pass. That vacuous piffle will not be good for my mental health!
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    I tried. I really tried, but couldn’t get past the picture.
    
    Still, they will have logged my IP address so they will know I’m a Good Guy.
    
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    August 28, 2021 8:45am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    You’re right on that one KK.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:23am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yeah, lockdown just doesn’t have that novel excitement factor to it this time around
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:32am
- MrTips
  
  How do woman’s weekly writers sleep at night? Or are they robots who don’t question what went wrong in their life?
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:41am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Their job is to produce shit that helps sell the Mag.
    They are not moral crusaders
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:31am
  - sooty
    
    Elderly spinsters, with a dozen cats?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:33am
- I remember when
  
  Clarke Gayford’s fatherhood lessons:
  ‘What Neve is teaching me.’
  Obviously Jacinda is going to come out of lockdown a more knowledgeable PM.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:42am
- Nickc2
  
  Meanwhile, the Western World burns, the Taliban are now the victors.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are those live crayfish on the floor? Toys.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:22am
kevn

@Gravel… Classic distraction. Tiresome and predictable. Low grade.
Must think NZer’s are stupid.
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August 28, 2021 8:25am
- you reap what you sow
  
  There were 49% who voted for this lot; so they are ☹️
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:15am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Only on KB would such an article get mentioned or even be read. The sad tragics.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:24am
I remember when

The Dominion:
NZ needs investigative journalism, not more ‘reckons’.
(reckons) Jenny Nicholls
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August 28, 2021 8:25am
- sooty
  
  It is a shame, we have none left!
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:35am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I have less of a problem with Opinion pieces when they are labeled as such. I have a bigger problem with Opinion pieces masquerading as news reporting.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:45am
KevO'Brien

Thanks for the Taxpayers’ Union for the following details.
The abuse of the Vote Item for C-19 must amount to misfeasance in public office.

Below are some examples of how the money was actually spent. Judge for yourself whether this spending really has anything to do with COVID-19.

Flood protection in the Far North: $12,500,000
Cameras on fishing boats: $26,600,000
“Regional digital connectivity”: $50,000,000
Horse racing: $52,500,000
“Public Interest” Journalism: $55,000,000
Internet modems for students: $87,000,000 (even Mike Hosking’s kid got one)
Affordable housing projects: $100,000,000
“Transformative energy” projects: $155,000,000
Various large-scale construction projects: $180,000,000
Construction of one building at the University of Auckland: $200,000,000
“Climate resilience” projects: $210,000,000
Arts grants: $374,000,000 (e.g. $17 million for art therapy clinics)
School lunches: $515,800,000 (yes, half a billion dollars)
“Jobs for Nature”: $1,219,000,000 (e.g. the infamous wallaby-culling job creation scheme, which cost $200,000 per low-paying job created)

Parliament gained sovereignty over taxation spending through the Magna Carta. That has become embedded in the laws of New Zealand too. The ruler of the realm does not have the right to seize property at will and do as they please with it. (Taxes)

Ardern does not have any understanding that she is not Boss Absolute. King Charles I, who tried to take back the surrendered power, had his head removed to teach succeeding monarchs their place relative to their subjects.

We badly need a way of bringing this amateur govt to account.
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August 28, 2021 8:28am
- Cinematic
  
  Absolutely, in Jacinda’s mind she is a Ruler. Not interested in mere leadership. Below her station.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:33am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That’s supposed to be the GG’s job but she’s clearly part of the problem.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:33am
  - gravedodger
    
    The Queens Rep in NZ is not as involved in actual government as Her Majesty is in UK with regular audiences for “her” Prime Minister where constraint appears to have been exerted at times but nothing is ever revealed.
    So long as The Monarchy is central to our somewhat rehashed Westminster system, possibly a step to at least a semblance of a check on absolute power so enthusiastically assumed by ‘citizen’ Ardern.
    That cake is now quite stale?
    
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    August 28, 2021 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    Has a GG ever done that?
    
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    August 28, 2021 8:51am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Yes, the Australian GG did it to Gough Whitlam.
      
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      August 28, 2021 8:57am
      - cmm
        
        I mean in NZ.
        Since the GG gets selected by the PM, it’s basically like a person on trial choosing their own judge.
        
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        August 28, 2021 9:05am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Dame Patsy was sworn in in Sept. 2016 on the recommendation of Sir John Key so it’s not quite what you say cmm.
        
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        August 28, 2021 9:13am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Dame Patsy only has 1 week left as GG.
        (Her term Finishes on 6 Sept 2021)
        
        GG_designate Dame Cindy Kiro isn’t from a Legal background… but interestingly enough, has a Certificate in Epidemiology!
        
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        August 28, 2021 9:27am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yes, Dame Patsy only has a week left. Her biggest mistake was allowing Winnie to appoint the coalition of losers when National was the most popular party by far.
        
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        August 28, 2021 9:49am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Just to be clear there is no way the Governor General had grounds for dismissing the current government.
        
        On Cindy Kiro, I thought that a crazy appointment. I looked her up. She is an unremarkable academic. Can’t even remember in what now. Surely the PM could have been given a list of highly achieving New Zealanders to choose from.
        
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        August 28, 2021 10:08am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Captain Mainwaring @ 9:49AM
        
        Her biggest mistake was allowing Winnie to appoint the coalition of losers […].
        
        What utter nonsense.
        
        Once Jacinda Ardern demonstrated to Dame Patsy that she enjoyed the confidence of parliament, she (Dame Patsy) was obliged to swear in the Labour-led government. Had she taken it upon herself to act politically, i.e., outside her remit, and declined to do so, a “constitutional crisis” would have ensued.
        
        There are a number of examples in Europe over the last one hundred or more years (under various PR/List electoral systems) where the [prime minister] has been provided by a party that did not receive the most votes — a recent example being in Sweden (although it was very close); the Reinfeldt (Moderate Party) government following the 2010 election.
        
        Besides, if Winston Peters had set aside his anger with National / had swallowed his pride, how long do you think that (unstable) government would have lasted? There would have been an early / snap election in 2018 or 2019, for sure, with Labour sweeping to power.
        
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        August 28, 2021 10:52am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Captain,
        
        There is no way a GG can refuse to appoint a government which has a majority in the House. Whether you like it or not, Labour, NZF and the Greens were a majority of the MP’s in 2017.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:27am
  - Prince
    
    No, it is the Auditor General’s job to run a rule over Govt spending…
    ‘The Auditor-General acts as a watchdog over the government’s and councils’ spending. To do that it must be independent, so the Auditor-General reports to the whole of Parliament and not to the Government. Our independence from the Government of the day is protected by law.’
    Not sure how they view the spending detailed above as appropriate, but at least it is in the public domain. The rest is up to voters.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The problem is the PM and team appear to be delinquent. The Courts will not intervene. The GG could on the grounds that HM Executive Council have trashed their oath of office of loyalty to HM. I don’t expect for one moment the Queen would approve the decisions bout expenditure outside the authority of the Parliament. To be loyal their standard of conduct must meet HM’s. Muslim prayer in Parliament would disqualify too. The PM does not own the show. Even her tiki is low grade-an insult really to Maori.
      
      The Auditor General may be able to prevent certain expenditure outside the Vote but that would be a dog fight in the making.
      
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      August 28, 2021 1:25pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Muslim prayer in Parliament would disqualify too.
        
        So you keep telling us, Kev, but this, too, is nonsense. Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the very same, Abrahamic, god.
        
        Answer this one, Kev. Had Tarrant come instead to Wellington, and attacked the synagogue in Webb Street, and a rabbi (or rabbis, and close associates) had been invited to give a prayer session in parliament, would you have objected to that the way you object to the imans having been present in parliament? If not, why not?
        
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        August 28, 2021 2:09pm
      - doggone7
        
        They appear to be delinquent to anyone who simply doesn’t want them there. That doesn’t count though.
        
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        August 28, 2021 2:26pm
      - Adroit
        
        Steve Todd,
        
        This is fundamentally untrue. The Christians do not worhsip the same God as Muslims and Jews. There is an argument that Jews and Muslims may worship the same God, but as Christians believe in the Holy Trinity Doctrine, and the others do not, they are quite different.
        
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        August 28, 2021 3:05pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Adroit: That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m no religious scholar, but just because Christians have added two more ‘elements’ to their worship, does not mean the ‘Christian’ god is different to the one Jews and Muslims worship.
        
        Conclusion: much more information required.
        
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        August 28, 2021 3:25pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the very same, Abrahamic, god.
        So you may say.
        I strongly disagree.
        
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        August 28, 2021 7:02pm
    - Nickc2
      
      The Auditor-General is appointed by our Governor-General on recommendation of the House of Representatives.
      The House of Representatives is a democratic body consisting of representatives known as members of parliament (MPs). What could possibly go wrong? Doesn’t Labour hold the majority in the house?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controller_and_Auditor-General_of_New_Zealand
      
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      August 28, 2021 1:45pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Kev-
  You get what you pay for.
  In the case of the Labour Party, it was last year’s general election.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:40am
- all true
  
  The only way to bring these clowns to account, protest, protest, protest so many times that they are eventually surrendering.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That does not seem to be the New Zealand way.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:14pm
    - Nickc2
      
      That’s not quite right Benedict. Dame Whina Cooper of Te Rārawa led a protest march to Parliament whereby she was successful in gaining 40,000 Hectares of land in the Hokianga under the guise of Maori Land Rights.
      A Kids protest to Parliament was also the trigger Cindy needed to close down the Oil and Gas industries in NZ.
      Unions have also had numerous successes throughout NZ history via protest movements and marches.
      
      The downtick is not mine Benedict.
      Protests do work in NZ but to a large extent, success depends on age, affiliation(s) and skin colour.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:00pm
- artemisia
  
  In other news, renters will be inadvertently and indirectly contributing to revenue as landlords increase rents to recover as many of the extra costs imposed by government as they can. Until supply is in the ballpark of demand.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:48am
- Nickc2
  
  No mention of donations to the Mongrel Mob Kev.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:10am
- amospicton
  
  $374m for arts grants – seriously? Sounds like hand outs for the luvvie Labour supporters to me.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Quite so. I’d like to see a detailed audit of that spend. I expect its simply sycophancy reward payments.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:34am
- beadgame
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Kev – you have really lost the plot with reference to violent beheading as a way to address your unhappiness. NZ is better than this. For those that have up ticked Kev’s comment – please think about whether you really do endorse this type of provocation??
  And David – do you really want a site where majority of your followers support this type of suggestion?
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:24am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Not sure that was a suggestion, but I do agree it is an irrelevant observation and problematic.
    I had already upticked for the posting of the Taxpayer Union data, and missed that unnecessary hyperbole tacked on about chopping off rulers heads.
    Really a point for the mods to consider.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:56am
  - hookerphil
    
    In case others cannot be bothered to scroll upwards here is part of the posting referred to.
    
    beadgame – rubbish. I own one of your downticks.
    
    Parliament gained sovereignty over taxation spending through the Magna Carta. That has become embedded in the laws of New Zealand too. The ruler of the realm does not have the right to seize property at will and do as they please with it. (Taxes)
    
    Ardern does not have any understanding that she is not Boss Absolute. King Charles I, who tried to take back the surrendered power, had his head removed to teach succeeding monarchs their place relative to their subjects.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:04am
    - Nickc2
      
      ‘The ruler of the realm does not have the right to seize property at will’
      BUT, BUT, BUT, isn’t that what 3 Waters is all about?
      Ratepayer’s own the sewer lines and plant in their shires IMO. Now, along comes Mahuta and is going to take all this and give it to a bunch of people selected by her to manage and maintain whilst ratepayers will have to pay this bunch of appointees for doing so.
      How does that work FFS?
      NOTE, I haven’t mentioned the financial windfall to Maori out of all this crap.
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:15pm
  - Nutta
    
    Are you suggesting that beheading was not extreme enough?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:10am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Hanging, drawing & quartering was not long out of use.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s an important fact of history demonstrating the power of the Parliament over the ruler. We haven’t needed to remind anyone publicly until Jacinda who believedly claims to possess the sovereignty above Parliament. That is a sock in the eye for our constitution.
    
    As for me being unhappy, sorry, I’m frisky really. I’ve plenty to keep me busy this lock down. Now if I was 40 years younger I’d probably be forming the Magenta Party as an adjunct to National and extinguishing greens.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:37pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Tell that too the Taliban. Not to cut heads off that is.
    Meaningless drivel.
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:17pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Remember when we were all appalled by Shane Jones having a $3B slush fund. Who knew that Winnie could be so unambitious.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:48am
I remember when

Delta, Death. Death, Delta.
Full page Delta Alert Level 4 Advertisement.
Is now the time to mention that we have had 890 cases since the last death.
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August 28, 2021 8:32am
- PhilBest
  
  This is beautifully done
  
  https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/08/27/hello-hello-yes-id-like-to-speak-to-the-disinformation-czar-please/
  
  The graphs say it all
  
  Hello, disinformation czar, I want to report someone called Ashley Bloomfield….
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:40am
  - GTRandRB
    
    How many times has the data been manipulated to garner a spiked graph that most people on msm wouldn’t even question? Its laughable that they are now pointing at obscure countries to justify their actions – soon, however, there won’t be anymore! The simple BFD write up is gold!
    
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    August 29, 2021 6:32pm
cmm

The health sector is being incredibly poorly run and is ill prepared for handling a pandemic – even though they’ve now had 20 months notice.

Primarily basic stuff:
* Staff shortages.
* Training on, and fitting of masks.
* Procurement of PPE.
* Ensuring they have the right ancillary equipment (syringes with the correct needles).
* Procurement of vaccines.
* A useless contact tracing system.

Yet we’re told everything is “gold standard” etc so their spin is pretty good.

None of these are really medical problems requiring medical skills. They are logistical problems. A competent factory manager could get this right.

Yet who do we have running it?
* A minister with no clue at all and has the anti-Midas touch.
* An associate minister who has medical training but is now an activist and has no recent contact with patients (but still remembers how to pose with a stethoscope for credibility).

The more worrying thing is that they’re proposing even more centralization and even more input by activists and troughers with the Maorification.

I think it’s a case of: If you think this is bad, wait for a pandemic response in 1930s.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/exclusive-auckland-hospital-nurses-told-to-wear-unfitted-n95-masks-because-of-backlog/D6IO2M43JS6WKTCHTMGQ3PSDB4/
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August 28, 2021 8:41am
- MrTips
  
  Yup, and it certainly doesn’t help when the top graduate from his 1921 public health course, one Michel Baker, goes on and on in the media about outdated public lockdown and masks. I don’t think Baker has seen a live patient in years.
  
  Not ONCE has he or Hendy or Wiles stuck up for docs and nurses on the frontline and demanded increased staff and resources. So Bloomers can sit there and just bask in Cindy’s aroma, safe from scrutiny.
  
  Appalling.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:55am
- Yvette
  
  Cmm – You missed
  • vaccination of all frontline medical staff, and
  • the numbers of ICU beds have been reduced from 358 beds in July last year to 284 today [1]
  
  With six Ministers of Health – Ardern, Bloomfield, Hipkins, Robertson, Little and Ayesha Verrall – the system should be running well.
  Or maybe the number of ministers is the problem.
  
  However I was discharged from a major hospital last week after a six day stay and found the care totally unquestionably excellent – even the food was fine, bar warm rather than hot, due to multi-floor delivery time – but on two of those days I heard nurses say the hospital was in “code red”, and on asking what is “code red”, I was told “more patients than staff”.
  
  [1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-needs-a-new-story-on-covid Also gives Peter Dunne’s opinion as to why “The Government’s first focus throughout the pandemic has been political choreography, not the public health response, [but] stand by for a change in narrative”
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:04am
dcrane

Article today in Stuff titled “Concerns ‘Extraordinary’ upswing in demand vaccines [sic] could see NZ run out”

Ah, I see, the pace of the vaccine rollout has been controlled by demand. I.e., it’s all us “vaccine deniers” who are to blame for the slow pace.

Nice try. Us 50+ were first invited only a week or two before the latest outbreak.
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August 28, 2021 8:43am
- Prince
  
  Ardern is weaving a very tangled web.
  ‘Your vaccine rolllout is too slow’ – No, look at the last two days. Records. We are on track at this rate. Include bookings and we’re at a very high percentage if you take the population as those 50 and over.
  ‘Well then you’ll run out of vaccine’. No, only if you take the last two days. We’ll slow down. Now, umm, Tova ?
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:45am
- marcw
  
  The 50+ were invited to book nearly a month before even the Group 3 cohort program is completed. Just as a political “looking good” statement. Then many Group 3 with a “confirmed” appointment had theirs cancelled without consultation or explanation. Maybe ‘Stuff’ could connect the dots …
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:24am
krazykiwi

We will shortly hear lots more about ‘social distancing’ from our rulers.

There is no such thing.

It is anti-social distancing, and it predicated on the notion that instead of each of us being vibrant, valuable humans we are really just disease vectors.
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August 28, 2021 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fuck this Govt. Today I can not go and see my Grand Daughter on her 19th Birthday. Fuck you Ardern, Election will be payback time
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:53am
  - Blackbob
    
    Lots of people are feeling the same way for various reasons that are similar to this outcome.
    
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    August 28, 2021 8:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Best I could do for her is FB video – not the same
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:06am
  - Nickc2
    
    Get used to it Steve, you’ve got at least another 17 days to go. Yes, we know who to thank and how.
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:00am
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO…. Have you noticed at Pulpit of Truth time, you never see the (paid for) assembled media.
    I’m guessing it is an elite, known by name clearly, small group of sycophants with pre approved questions. Pure theatre.
    Once there used to be a roving camera showing people asking the questions.
    Tell me I’m wrong.
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That group has scripted questions – and Jaspinda has scripted answers. You are not wrong
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:49am
  - kowtow
    
    Sorry , but until the majority , who still seem to hold to the idea that Ardern has saved us from the plague , wake up we’ll be in shit for ages .
    
    The only reason the rest of the country will go to L3 instead of 2 or indeed 1 is to mollify her voters in Auckland .
    
    Cabinet still has its eyes very much on the polls and not on the science.
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve known my husband for 50 years and in that time I have never heard him use foul, nasty language against females … (he has used it against cars that don’t work, Windows-10, etc…), but in the last few days, I have had to request that he tones down the invective he is uttering when our Dear PM appears on TV.
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:36am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Nothing wrong with righteous anger. Even Jesus exhibited that 😉
      
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      August 28, 2021 9:51am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Your husband sounds like a good Kiwi bloke, Maggy. 🙂
      
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      August 28, 2021 9:58am
    - emmess
      
      Maggy, switch off the TV
      Go to the TVNZ Youtube channel and click on the daily propaganda stream and immediately downvote it and close the page https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8npUFFuguYE
      
      His mood will improve in no time
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:14am
      - curry4me
        
        emess: Done, thanks for the tip.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:15am
      - JB.49
        
        Worked for me
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hahaha..
        
        I think I’ll start sending him out for takeaways around 6pm next week.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:39am
      - emmess
        
        Lucky you
        If only Jacinda would be kind enough to give us back that little bit of freedom, up here.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:54am
      - alex Masterley
        
        what a good idea that is.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:56am
    - lifesgood
      
      You’ve got a good man there, Maggy.
      
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      August 28, 2021 3:11pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    My mums funeral and the daughters 30th today.
    
    I can’t watch the party propaganda lectures.
    
    But I still see people wearing face nappies when driving alone, people wearing face nappies and crossing the street when they come across us walking without them.
    
    How did it come to this a nation of scared sheeple afraid of their own shadow’s.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cross the street with them, then watch them go back.
      Really pisses them off – sheeple
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:52am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Sorry for your loss Blobby
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:59am
    - curry4me
      
      Mr_Blobby: It’s the result of 80 years of socialism, and relatavism. Sorry about your mum’s death.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:18am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Condolences Mr_Blobby. Tough losing a parent. I hope your day goes as well as possible.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:28am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      My mother’s funeral took place during a previous lockdown. My only piece of advice is to ignore the no-more-than-10 attendees rule, at least for close family. It’s therapeutic for all involved, & if questioned, just challenge the Police to arrest you at your own mother’s funeral. Won’t happen.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:56am
  - Happy1
    
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    No one is asking you to fix bayonet and walk slowly towards the enemy trenches. You are just being asked to stay home.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:16am
    - kowtow
      
      You are being told to give up living life as it should be.
      
      They fixed bayonet and attacked those trenches to defend a way of life , not to surrender it.
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You are just being ordered to stay home.
      Fixed it
      
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      August 28, 2021 10:54am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      It has been asked, why we can go to the supermarket but cant attend a funeral.
      Or why we crowd into supermarkets, but cant go to a butcher.
      That we arent advancing into artillery fire is true, but a stupid point to make.
      To pretend that this is not a repeated cycle of sacrifice, cost being in terms of aspects other than limbs and blood, is kind of willfully blind.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      is that all?
      
      For some folks it is not all:
      
      They are having to tend to sick folk without adequate staffing/help
      
      They are having to attend to special needs family members without any respite
      
      They are having to discard their crops which can’t be sold at markets
      
      They are laying off staff as business can’t operate economically under lockdowns
      
      They are eating a poor diet… because their nearest supermarket has closed and they can’t afford the prices of milk and vege at a local dairy.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:12am
      - artemisia
        
        Then there are the essential workers who have to stay home to look after children. And in the case of daycare pay the fees anyway. (Stiff fees for our preschooler.)
        
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        August 28, 2021 12:05pm
    - PhilBest
      
      If you gave me a choice that involved catching Covid to do my bit, I’d choose that. If enough of the population were well informed enough to just make this choice, all the other imposed “sacrifices” would be unnecessary
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:44am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Phil: I’m with you. I just want to get in with life. So give me C19 and MOVE ON!!!
        
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        August 28, 2021 3:50pm
  - curry4me
    
    Steve Otto (North Shore) That’s a pity. My cousin can’t go to her friend’s house for a birthday sleep over.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:11am
  - dcrane
    
    Re: Steve Otto “Election will be payback time”.
    
    In the US, I have little doubt that the cheating and obfuscation from the 2020 election will be easily eclipsed by 2022 and 2024, as the establishment strives to hold onto its power despite its horrific failures and corruption. We had better watch out here in NZ for policies ostensibly justified by the pandemic and “domestic extremism” that can be exploited to prevent the deplorables from seizing power again.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:20am
    - marcw
      
      Even in NZ I am beginning to have doubts about the Electoral Commission’s impartiality. Look at what we have seen in recent years:
      1. Polls open while electioneering is still in force
      2. Postal voting extended unnecessarily to even those who can vote in person
      3. Registering on the day
      4. Overseas votes to people who are not intending to return
      5. Generalised fraud in Party spending
      6. MSM 5th column
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:34am
      - PhilBest
        
        Apparently people who voted for Billy TK say their numbers HAVE to be much larger than what the official tally showed. Just talking among their own circles about how many did vote for him.
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:46am
      - miltonF
        
        7. Only needing a name and date of birth at the voting booth. No formal identification.
        
        I might try to vote on behalf of all my friends and family next time, purely as an experiment. The media may be interested in my results.
        
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        August 28, 2021 1:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump will have a few tricks up his sleeve. He got caught out in 2020. The swamp is much bigger than he estimated. If there was nothing wrong, why are the Dems fighting tooth and nail to stop the audits?
      Far from over
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:03pm
      - dcrane
        
        Call me too cynical, but I feel little hope for the audits because I assume that even in red states, the political establishment retains control over them. And the GOP establishment was in on the game of showing Trump the door.
        
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        August 28, 2021 12:22pm
      - artemisia
        
        The Maricopa County audit report was due next week, but has been delayed due to some of the audit group getting covid. Meantime the Board of Supervisors has been told to deliver up subpoenaed routers or state funding will be put on hold.
        
        Getting close to this particular end game.
        
        Meanwhile there was the strange case of the California guy passed out in his car and found to have more than 300 addressed Newsom recall ballots in the car. Along with umm other things.
        
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        August 28, 2021 1:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        dcrane. Wait until 2022. Quite a few RINOs will be on their arse. Friends in Alaska say Murkowski is toast
        
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        August 28, 2021 1:52pm
      - dcrane
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore) On 2022 we can always hope, yes, but fgs Ocasio-Cortez beat bigwig D esatblishment Crowley and look how that turned out for the anti-establishment ppl on the left. Non-RINOs who get elected will be under massive corrupting pressure (e.g., full pension in 5 years) the moment they’re in the door. Real power will only come the hard way i.e., direct action by the people to resist/strike/etc., and to some degree by local politics.
        
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        August 28, 2021 2:10pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Here’s an interesting thought, and I’ll use Auckland Central by way of example.
      
      In the 2020 election, 967 votes, being 7.65% of Chloe Swarbricks’s count came from overseas special votes.
      
      Based on current legislation and an expectation that few of the total ~67k overseas voters will be able to return to NZ, these people will be ineligible to vote in the 2023 election.
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:28pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Watch [f] or a rule change because ‘it’s not our fault we couldn’t get home’ argument.
        
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        August 28, 2021 12:50pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Hush. Don’t be giving the Left any ideas.
        
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        August 28, 2021 2:35pm
- cmm
  
  Social distancing was based on a model developed by some school kids. It is based on the “large droplet” theory that CV19 is transmitted by large droplets and not aerosols, so if you stay far away the droplets fall on the ground.
  
  Of course this is bullshit.
  
  That anti-social behaviour is made many times worse through wearing masks. We’re programmed to look for faces. Seeing faces builds trust, empathy etc (Sidebar: One of the reasons Muslim societies are low trust/low empathy is due to hiding faces). Seeing faces is important to wellbeing (counters depression, loneliness, suicide etc).
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:59am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yes I say again and again, the contact, droplets etc is to provide a pretext for tyranny. If we can cope with this pandemic by opening our windows and turning fans on, because the problem is aerosol buildup indoors, and by spending time outdoors, that is the last thing the powers-that-be want us to know.
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:05am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    I am so over all this covid nonsense.
    
    How did it get so out of control.
    
    How will history judge this level of stupidly.
    
    My guess is how the communist created a fake pandemic to seize control.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:14am
    - cmm
      
      History will not judge anything because history will be airbrushed and groomed before being fed to the kids and made into movies.
      
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      August 28, 2021 3:19pm
- PhilBest
  
  I am aghast at how profoundly anti the science of immunology all this really is, the more I learn. Immune Deficit alone is going to have worse consequences than Covid could have. People NEED contact otherwise they will literally become “immuno compromised”. I can’t help suspecting this is all part of the plan, as other diseases come roaring back into an Immune-Deficit population where there has been prolonged lockdowns, this will become the pretext for “a new abnormal” of trying to cope with it by means of permanent contactless existence.
  
  The dystopian novel that is closest to this kind of future is Michael Frayn: “A Very Private Life”. The very private life, lived in virtual reality, is what all human beings live “because disease”.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:01am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes Phil, a point I made several months ago.
    So to offset the immune deficiency I am taking Zinc & Vit.D3 daily, along with the 2000mg. of Vit.C that I have been taking for years.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:51pm
    - PhilBest
      
      It’s not just the vitamins etc, it is the absence of “challenges” to the immune system for a prolonged time
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:20pm
      - GTRandRB
        
        …similar to the RSV outbreak we have recently witnessed. Wait until travel starts again – and even the good ole flu will nab a few (many) more victims. Imagine if they tested people for the flu with the PCR method – would be another pandemic!!!
        
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        August 29, 2021 6:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

US Military is fucked. This should not have happened. Keep on saying, Leopards do not change their spots, Leopards will fucking kill you.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-slams-biden-for-handing-taliban-list-of-names-of-americans-afghan-allies/?
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August 28, 2021 8:51am
- PhilBest
  
  It was bad enough when it became obvious that police forces leadership in western countries had become stacked by progressive white ants. Say it ain’t possible for even the US military to succumb.
  
  As Mark Steyn keeps saying, if these people were working for the enemy, what would they have done differently? Not just Biden, the generals appointed by him or Obama. They are busily purging the military of people who have too much patriotism because that is dangerous, you know, “whiteness” or something.
  
  Billions of bucks worth of hi tech military gear abandoned to the enemy. Lists of names of everyone who was ever paid by the US military for providing assistance. 1500 Americans left to be used as hostages by the Taliban – one’s stomach clenches at the possibilities.
  
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  August 28, 2021 8:56am
- H. Upmann
  
  Has any American politician started a Biden impeachment process yet?
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Marjorie Taylor- Greene
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:56am
- cmm
  
  In this case, the leopard is Joe Biden. He has made a 40+ year career of making life hard for the military to operate effectively (and thus safely).
  
  Of course the Taliban is a bit of a leopard too!
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:08am
- Rich Prick
  
  And Biden is busy finding the owners’ manuals for all the kit left behind to send over to his bearded friends.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:12am
  - kowtow
    
    And the Brits left behind lists of all sorts in their Embassy .
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And Humvee extended warranties
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:36am
    - oldfella
      
      Steve, I hope the Humvees are electric. The Taliban is on record as wanting to help battle climate change, so I can’t see them being happy with a gift of gas-guzzling vehicles. /s
      
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      August 28, 2021 9:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Better ask Greta, she will know
        
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        August 28, 2021 10:57am
      - PhilBest
        
        I’m reluctantly impressed at the sense of humor and “playfulness” exhibited by the Taleban spokespeople. There is a very odd disconnect between their stone age theocratic goals, and their worldly-wise ability to take the piss out of western journos
        
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        August 28, 2021 11:50am
- curry4me
  
  Steve Otto(North Shore) Doing that fits the definition of treason. Viz, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:22am
Ron Jeremy

Bad day at the office for Covinda yesterday some of the press starting to grow a pair. Wasn’t going to be questioned about the supply of vaccines . Plenty coming in October apparently . Still August though. Look at my graph we are world beaters for a day. I’ll have answers for any tricky questions on
Monday once my PR team have come up with acceptable spin.Bit late on the rescue of Afghans . Taliban not being that kind, cheers for the cash though ,can buy some new swords to chop infidels heads off with. Trying best to distance herself from blame for the situation by waving hands and saying we have taken the experts advice on everything .Article for the peeps in the herald on what Clarke has learned from child to plicate the masses. Sickening.
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August 28, 2021 8:59am
igm

Well Labour voters, how do you like funding crap like this?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/clarke-gayfords-fatherhood-lessons-what-neve-is-teaching-me/CB4MR52L4IK53NOMLCX2MW2EPY/
Saw the headline, but no way would I open it, may think I like seeing our taxes paying for this Ardern-driven shit.
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August 28, 2021 9:06am
CAKE FACE1

I see the clown Bomber is saying we should stop all flights, and become Fortress NZ 100%. This is the mentality of the lickspittle left – they want to cower from the real world, forever.

If the government succeed in beating this outbreak of Covid, I suspect they will double down.

The government will try to hold the fortress until the next election. Even Oz will be endemic by this point, so little Aotearoans will be alone on their isolated island, patiently hiding under their beds.

Of course, our economy will be in free fall – we will be racing towards Third World status. Socialists are weird because they never consider consequences, such as what will happen to the economy.

NZ has never been in more trouble. I’m not sure I see an easy way out of this…
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August 28, 2021 9:08am
- Stu2
  
  Our medicines come in by air
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:58am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Yes, odd how Bradbury can be correct on freedoms of speech, or the issues of retarded far-left wokery – but then cant understand the false dichotomy between “economy and life”:
  The economy IS life; it is GP appointments, DHB funding, production of housing, incomes that lift people from poverty.
  He does suggest he is from the anarchist school of leftism IIRC, so oddly he rails against certain restrictions but then loves them on the other hand; closed shops, long lists of DON’Ts and redistribution of wealth by central committee.
  He might need to consider these inconsistencies.
  
  He also was saying how 1,000 deaths from Delta, based on a recent model, is something no politician could accept.
  Well – 300-500 deaths from flu a year, so if you just manage the Corona virus instead of people – then we will be out the back of this ‘panic’ pretty quickly, and I would say we go with that.
  We are already looking at 3rd calendar year to maybe be opening up, so we have sunk enough cost to change tack IMO.
  Long over Covid.
  Took is seriously in the first half of 2020, but long since realised it is panic that we are catering to, rather than general health of the nation with ALL factors considered.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The way out is what has always been on the cards..
  
  When NZ businesses start going belly-up, the smart boys from overseas move in and buy up the business/farm/industry at a give-away price.
  
  Clever Kiwis fly the coop; the sheep remain and provide labour for their new masters.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:18am
  - Bluegrass
    
    The sheep shorn.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:50pm
- DeepBlue
  
  (Metaphorical) boat people heading to Australia, from Aotearoa any day soon.
  The doctors, nurses, teaches, police, tradies on board will be welcomed whole heartedly.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:08pm
Greg Ettridge

Diplomacy 2021 style
Want someone to go away you get twitter to disappear them.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/UKinAfghanistan
Obviously the Afghans didn’t break the rules, twitter just decided they no longer exist.
I am sure that will stop the “brothers” as the Canadian Minister refers to them as, from being medieval a***holes.
I feel so much safer with twitter making all these hard decisions for me, just hoping they don’t get hold of Telegram.
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August 28, 2021 9:12am
kowtow

Still no news on how this thing made it out of MIQ .

Nothing on how the super deadly hyper spready Indian variant hasn’t decimated Coromandel.

Where’s the Media Pardy on holding power to account ?
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August 28, 2021 9:20am
lastmanstanding

Police checkpoints. What next.Escapees shot in sight. Getting more and more like Germany.
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August 28, 2021 9:26am
- kowtow
  
  Not really a “team” if they need to enforce compliance like this is it?
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:28am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  More like a Australia, the politicians here have decided that rubber bullets fired at peoples faces are perfectly acceptable except for half a dozen brave defectors from the chosen narrative.
  I guess our next step is live rounds.
  Great to see the NSW jab target was reached, and the prize is picnic for 5 vaccinated for 1 hour in just over a fortnight.
  The regional towns that have never had a case must be over the moon with a freedom that is going to be given back to them.
  At this rate, all freedoms taken should be restored within 20 years.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:41am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Have the politicians and police forgothen the lessons of the spring box rugby tour.
    
    You can never have enough uniforms.
    
    This nonsense won’t end until the people stand up and say enough.
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:08am
- emmess
  
  Former East Germany, I take it you mean
  Don’t forget cheating at women’s sport at the Olympics
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:17am
- Prince
  
  Keep hearing from Jacindaites how lucky we are, compared to the terrible life in the UK.
  Yep, seems they are in awful strife over there. Here’s a look at a recent County T20 game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GiSTfA0M-I
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:55am
  - Ruahine
    
    Those people are out of Control.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:53pm
    - Prince
      
      Perhaps we could be kind and send over some of our Police to sort them out, Kiwi syle.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=500ZuPauPX8
      
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      August 28, 2021 3:12pm
Nickc2

I can only hope that when Biden, Harris and the rest of the Dems get the arse in the US there is a trickle-down effect here and the adults cease power by any means possible. The sooner it happens, the better.
We in NZ cannot survive our current Govt’s incompetence. Life as we knew it is fast vanishing and it’s not due to Covid alone.
What really pisses me off is our level of debt and our laid-back attitude towards it.
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August 28, 2021 9:26am
- dcrane
  
  I’m really worried that the fix will be in for both the 2022 and 2024 elections. Tactics from 2020 will be improved and widely deployed.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Is that what the Labour Propaganda Leaflets being illegally delivered are all about?
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:44pm
    - Paulus
      
      Nobody actually cares about Labour propaganda delivery when ever they want.
      Normal corrupt practice with no consequences.
      
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      August 28, 2021 1:49pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Blondes be ‘Casual Friday’ 😀

https://twitter.com/ConvenientCop/status/1431121783701139462
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August 28, 2021 9:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Love it!
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:38am
- dcrane
  
  Off-duty cop, apparently.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUUifzlZLx8
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:31am
  - Nickc2
    
    Who cares? Job done!
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:45pm
  - [email protected]
    
    Quick thinking gutsy lady. Not many people would be able to shoot someone.
    
    I thought that police would have put more than one bullet into the perp.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:36pm
ecco

Why is that article on NZH about Gayford being a father not behind a paywall like every right wing political piece?

Is it a paid Labour Party advertorial or was it nzh editor’s call to keep it free so as to keep access to the labour media fund?
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August 28, 2021 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Propaganda
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Good question. Try getting Jess to ask the PM when next she is paying homage to dear leader at the Podium of Truth. Good luck with that.
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:48pm
lastmanstanding

We could have Mark Mitchell and David Shearer contesting the Auckland Mayoralty. Lets hope Mark can break the Socialists stranglehold and get the City moving and I do mean moving again. Auckland has suffered abysmal governance for the last decade and more.
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August 28, 2021 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is a lot of dead wood in the Council – been there for years
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:40am
  - ABS4EVA
    
    I once rented my house to a council senior accountant her husband kept trying to burn wet wood (they told me to ff off ) when I told them to season it (burning wet unseasoned timber can cause cancer)
    
    She has cancer
    
    I got rid of them raised the rent until they moved out
    
    Their brats scribbled on every surface
    
    Worst tenants in the world scum of the earth
    
    They own now ha ha ha ha ha I would love to see
    what their brats are doing to “their house” now
    
    Dead wood that is an understatement
    
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    August 28, 2021 9:54am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      You got issues girlfriend – mocking someone for having cancer and believing you know the cause of it.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:26am
      - ABS4EVA
        
        I did not cause the cancer BRO
        and I don’t know if that is/was the CAUSE
        
        They would not even cover their FN firewood
        burning wet wood causes all sorts of NASTIES
        I pointed that out and got told to F off
        
        That was my responsibility
        
        Also they were so full of C R A P
        the Cancer was probably a lie
        
        I will be honest I DON”T CARE
        
        Jesus my next lot of tenants could not use
        the HEAT PUMP Properly
        
        I spent week repainting every surface
        I taught my kids to read and write at 3 in that house
        
        While I was removing these scum bags brats
        scribble
        
        My Daughter was presenting in New York
        and making people cry Tears of Joy
        
        I feel sorry for their kids
        
        Parents were too Busy Property developing
        off the corner of their COUNCIL DESKS
        
        to show any interest in them
        
        They and you ARE DISGUSTING
        
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        August 28, 2021 4:22pm
      - ABS4EVA
        
        Brian
        
        Cry to someone else
        
        You season wood for at least a year
        to get twice the heat out of it
        
        With so few toxins it is safe
        
        No one burns unseasoned wood at my property
        I have a moisture detector
        
        They can use a Wood burner but under STRICT conditions
        
        … [deleted]
        
        I know the games you and all
        THE JACINDA RENTERS PLAY
        
        Property Manager has a moisture detector
        Wood Burner is pad locked
        
        CAPICHE
        
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        August 28, 2021 4:33pm
    - curry4me
      
      ABS4EVA: There are several ways to find good tenants. Ask at whatever, church, temple, or social club you go to. Or ask a uni friend to put up a notice in Mandarin at uni asking for tenants.
      
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      August 28, 2021 11:31am
      - ABS4EVA
        
        I have ok Tenants now (thanks)
        Took 10 years
        
        People sh*t on land lords and their houses
        but they are sure happy to stay a long time
        
        Last lot could not use Fire
        European Cave People could
        
        Present lot could not use Electricity
        
        Were trying to put 2 heaters on the heat pump
        Circuit?
        
        Heat pump takes the joint to 32 degrees?
        
        Installed a new switch board 5k so they
        can’t burn the joint down and…..
        
        Blame the Landlord
        
        Probably Cindy Voters u know
        a bit slow
        
        The stories I can tell you
        
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        August 28, 2021 4:27pm
- Nickc2
  
  David Shearer? Is there no end to the troughing trends of these Labour bastards?
  Wasn’t he supposed to be somewhere in the Middle East saving Muslims from themselves whilst getting rich himself?
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:53am
- Paulus
  
  Very difficult as almost all the Councillors are Labour appointments and would stop Mitchell from doing anything once elected – why do you think the recent Mayors are Labour appointments.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:03am
- PeeJay
  
  Th politicians are the tip of the iceberg.
  
  The real issue, as anyone who has worked in local or central government can tell you, is the bureaucracy. Sure the politicians being crap doesn’t help, but they aren’t the biggest problem.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:10am
  - Bluegrass
    
    It is not so much the politicians (part of the Legislative branch of government) but the Executive branch.
    
    Under weak Executive leadership the administrative branch will always engage in mission creep and empire building, attracting folk with mindsets more interested in Machiavellian intrigue; to them, actually serving the tax-paying citizen is a quaint notion.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:43pm
Nickc2

WASHINGTON, D.C.—President Biden today reassured citizens that he did not violate America’s longstanding ban on negotiating with terrorists, because he just said ‘yes’ to whatever they asked for.
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-assures-he-did-not-negotiate-with-terrorists-because-he-simply-gave-them-whatever-they-asked-for?utm_source=jeeng
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August 28, 2021 9:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

When NZ Labour has lost the support/trust of Chris Trotter, you can tell the Party has strayed a long way from its founding principles.

Any failure to uphold the equal application of the laws, on the grounds that a separate Māori justice system will soon replace the long-established principle of “one law for all”, will be taken as proof that this government intends to change profoundly the constitutional and judicial arrangements of the New Zealand state.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-labour-must-uphold-the-rule-of-law
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August 28, 2021 9:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  Unfortunately I doubt there is any stopping them.
  The insidious creep of “be kind” , “here’s some money”, “shut up or you will be cancelled” has ensured a compliant population in the hands of opportunists.
  The politics of race, fear and envy have ruined New Zealand and still people seem to be loving it.
  
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  August 28, 2021 9:59am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Some people. Not enough to secure a parliamentary majority if an election were held tomorrow I reckon
    
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    August 28, 2021 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  Strong stuff . Worth the read.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:20am
- Taieri
  
  Since the demise of the traditional working class and its replacement by the helots of the new “service” economy the old-style socialists such as Chris Trotter have been consigned to the dustbin of history and so their opinions and support are no longer relevant. The New Left is all about the victimhood and identity, be it “racial”, “gender” based and whatever else they can come up with.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yikes… I hadn’t come across Helots before.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helots
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:26am
    - Nickc2
      
      Spata? I was always under the impression Spata (as in Helot) was a Greek Spitoon as pronounced by a Greek with a hair lip.
      Geez, my education (such as it was) has let me down again. Bugger!
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:57pm
graham

Our household is quite old-fashioned in some ways, and so yes we watch the 6 pm news – namely, One News. But I find that I’m watching it less and less these days, because it is not meeting my needs to be informed clearly.

Last night I tried to follow it, but I’m afraid I just tuned out after about 10 to 15 minutes. Simon Dallow, bless him, just went overboard on using Maori words which I don’t understand. And yes, Batman, I could follow your previous advice, “You could just look them up”. Unfortunately, by the time I’ve done that I’ve lost a couple of minutes, they’ve moved onto the next story and I’ve lost the thread of what they were talking about anyway.

Put simply, I cannot fully follow the story and gain the full context of what they are saying when I don’t understand some of the words, and have to take a moment to process others when the Maori and English versions are run together as one. I hear “Live from ParemataParliament …” and I have a momentary confusion as I have to process that. No idea how older people cope.

If One News want to continue throwing in random Maori words, fine. If it makes some people happy then good for them, and I hope the people who find such things important will reward them by actually watching the news. But I’m afraid my purpose in watching the news is to keep up on the important issues of the day, and if One News is not going to serve that purpose then I’ll have to find another source that does. It’s not as if we’re starved for choice.
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August 28, 2021 9:51am
- wilderbeast
  
  Absolutely
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:41am
- Prince
  
  Well I took the trouble of looking up ‘Motu’ when I was told it going to be wet across the Motu tomorrow.
  
  Motu
  noun
  1.
  a member of a Melanesian people of Papua New Guinea inhabiting the area around Port Moresby.
  2.
  the language of the Motu, the base of a pidgin known as Hiri Motu or (formerly) Police Motu, widely used as a lingua franca for administrative purposes.
  adjective
  relating to the Motu or their language.
  
  Why are we getting weather forecasts for Papua New Guinea ?
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:02am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Bit slow princess. Sort of obvious:
    motu. A land mass, especially one smaller than a continent, entirely surrounded by water. A land mass, especially one smaller than a continent, entirely surrounded by water. To sever. Similar phrases in dictionary Maori English
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We’ve been through this before, Brian.
      
      NZ is not made up of one motu… so when Ashley Bloomfield talked about Covid-19 in the same sentence as motu last week … was he referring to just the North Island or the entire country?
      
      And when the weather report refers to heavy rain in the motu, we folks on the East Coast/ Bay of Plenty immediately think of events in the Motu catchment.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/memory-of-childrens-deaths-in-bay-of-plentys-flooded-motu-river-kept-alive-by-tribe/VVG6YGMUHKTL6HA4X2CMUL57XY/
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:32pm
  - dcrane
    
    quite mind-boggling, really, using words most of the populace doesn’t understand when supposedly making life-critical pandemic annoucements.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:40am
- Paulus
  
  I thought Paremata was on the way to Kapiti past Porirua – was when I lived there once.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:05am
  - graham
    
    Yep. I imagine most Kiwis would think either of Paremata out past Porirua, or Parramatta in Sydney.
    
    And that’s before you get to the Maori leader from Taranaki in the 1800s (buried in Foxton) or Paramata Lodge near Hokitika.
    
    I realise that TVNZ will have been given instructions from on high – “you WILL use as many Maori words in your programs as possible in order to ‘normalise’ the language” – but really, I don’t think it’s working.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:19pm
    - calendar girl
      
      We, the citizens of this country, are entitled to decide which language(s) we choose to use to communicate with other people here.
      
      If we can’t make ourselves clear, we will soon change our language of speech to something that they can understand. Otherwise, little or no effective communication will occur.
      
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      August 28, 2021 4:54pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m old fashioned like you graham.
  TV3 is just one click away. I haven’t watched Government TV news for 30 years.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:10am
  - thirteenstars
    
    TV3 *is* government TV. They don’t actually have to be owned by the government to kowtow to the government.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:54am
- thirteenstars
  
  I haven’t watched the news for many years, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say, no offence to you, that the only thing One, Three and Prime News are good for is dispensing sugarcoated commentary dressed up as actual reporting for the large class of Kiwis who still believe in the notion of My Country Right or Wrong.
  
  But it’s a habit for many, and I suspect mostly for those of an older age group, timed to coincide with the post-tea dishwasher cycle.
  
  Go Cold Turkey. It frees up your early evenings amazingly well.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:14am
  - lifesgood
    
    Same here. Stopped watching the news years ago, canceled the Herald and the Listener years ago. Life is so much sweeter and I have more time for the important things in life.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:57pm
- Nutta
  
  If there was demand for Mairi language news, they’d gave their own channel… oh… wait… they do.
  
  Same with RNZ – put a 100% Maori channel up. They won’t, because it would not be viable.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I recall that this Maorification of the TV news and weather started with Maori language week last year. For that week it was OK but for some reason they kept it going.
    On who’s instructions?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:49am
    - Nickc2
      
      Well here we are, this an explanation for it from the Broadcasting Standards Authority.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/viewers-unhappy-with-use-of-te-reo-maori-in-television-bsa-declines-complaints/55CEBYEDYBJG6PTE67LK53OCW4/
      I don’t agree with a word of it, but such authorities are renowned for their arse covering techniques.
      To whoever is responsible, I’d say “it may be an official language in NZ but there is a separate TV Channel set aside for that stuff”.
      As a footnote, Signing is also an official language in NZ but so far there is no signer assigned to news and weather telecasts.
      
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      August 28, 2021 1:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    Nutta, the Maorification of Radio NZ, from the board down, began under National.
    
    While Government, it ignored Wily Willie Jackson’s coup that in practice merged it with the State subsidised chain of 20 or so tribal radio stations.
    
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    August 28, 2021 6:44pm
- PeeJay
  
  I honestly have no problem with this if it’s what the people want. I’d struggle as I frequently mangle spoken english, but if it’s what a majority want, no issues for me. I just find the increasing use of Maori ridiculous as it doesn’t seem to be filling an expressed need of the people – it seems to be a champagne socialist elite that’s driving this, and usually for their own advancement.
  
  A good example I know is an actual CE of a council in the north island – won’t mention the location. Worked for the guy several years back – very much a centre-right type. After a few years as council CE, everything he spouts has a Maori spin. Here’s the rub – I thought he’d changed. Met him recently after a few years and turns out that he’s the same centre-right individual. He just plays the part because this is how he gets ahead – he admitted as much. He know’s its all a load of crap, it’s just what’s expected of him! He’s just playing the part.
  
  I suspect the same thing happens with a few in the media – they just go along with it because they know what will happen to their careers if they don’t!
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:25am
  - dcrane
    
    The more words, sentences, and strings of sentences they decide to put into the broadcasts at RNZ, etc. the less time there is for information everyone understands. Time doesn’t grow on trees. This is performative fluff.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:42am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I’ve noticed too that Maori is a wordy language. It takes more words to say the same thing in Maori than it does in English. It’s worse when you have to add Maori to English while covering the same ground.
      
      The length of the News is fixed, so the net effect is that fewer stories are covered, in less detail. Not sure that this is a good thing.
      
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      August 28, 2021 12:06pm
  - sooty
    
    How come they don’t speak maori at the Olympics?
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:47am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Because it is not understood or adds nothing of value to 99.999999999998888% of the worlds population, right up there with Cornish, me ‘ansome . . .
      
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      August 28, 2021 3:49pm
- lifesgood
  
  Apart from woke lefties and the look at me, look at me brigade, who actually wants to learn Maori? What use is it to anyone? Poor kids have it forced down their throats at school but hopefully they will later learn a language which has far more use in the modern world.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:00pm
herb1

Joe Biden , America’s Jacinda Ardern
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August 28, 2021 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  Get it correct. Jacinda, without a brain.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:32am
  - Paulus
    
    Wrong again !~
    That supposes Jacinta has a brain – which does not appear to be true.
    She has a twisted political ideal for a brain and will live to regret it.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:07am
TWEEDSE

Anthony Fauci stated in an interview that PCR testing at or above 35 cycles gives unreplicatable results. In other words, the results cannot be used to confirm or denie covid19 infection as the amplification gives random results.

In a written statement by the NZ Ministry of Health, the ministry states the NZ PCR cycle standard is 40 cycles for testing.

So since Fauci says anything above 35 is unreplicatable, the NZ “case” numbers are meaningless using the current system of testing.

Exactly why are we locked down when the information being used is based on a faulty test?

Fauci interview
https://youtu.be/a_Vy6fgaBPE

https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/information-release/h202100070_26_jan_2021_covid-19_cycle_threshold_value_for_pcr_testing_0.pdf
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August 28, 2021 10:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  Fauci continues to lie. The official Ct threshold for unacceptable false positives is 26.
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:42am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Remember what the Democrats said about the vaccine last year ?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeicqz1twg&t=59s
    [Joe Biden Discusses The Vaccine]
    
    Have they changed their tune now!!!
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:46am
  - TWEEDSE
    
    If that is true KK at a CT of 40, New Zealand as almost all false positives.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:29pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I understood we had reduced our kit Ct count to 35. Still way, way too high.
      
      We need to stop being fixated about cases. Really unhelpful.
      
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      August 28, 2021 1:49pm
      - miltonF
        
        They won’t lower it till more people are vaxxed. That way it gives a false impression that the vaccine works. All very predictable.
        
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        August 28, 2021 3:08pm
kowtow

Scanning the papers I note they’re spinning the release to L3 as a positive . I suspect a lot of people especially in the SI see it differently .

I see too there’s an opinion piece in the Ferald by Shane Te Pou using a boxing analogy for this thing , and very strongly pro this regimes’ strategy of lock down eliminade.

No mention by the paper of his affiliations.

His final sentence is ” That’s how we’ll succeed , not by throwing in the towel as we enter the final round”

The final round is a long long way off yet .
That’s why the Swedes were right all along , they said this is a long term thing.

Anyway when we do reopen , in a year or three , this thing will still kill hundreds of sick , elderly and vulnerable , vaxxed or unvaxxed and still overwhelm the hospital system.

This shouldn’t be seen as a boxing match , it’s really a marathon , which has only just started .But our leaders have sprinted , instead of pacing themselves .
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August 28, 2021 10:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  See how the narrative is twisted by the leftie sycophants..
  
  If the virus gets away in NZ and more deaths result, it will never be because:
  1. China and the WHO did a lousy job of controlling its spread in the early days,
  2. Our Government failed to provide adequate protection for its citizens
  
  It will be our fault for letting the team down by not
  getting vaxxed, or by not signing in, or by not wearing a mask, or by not placing a teddy bear in a window.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:34am
  - cmm
    
    “letting the team down”
    
    Worse, much worse, is that we’d be letting Cindy down.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “the final round”
  
  What a deluded fool.
  
  Does he expect to ‘beat’ the virus and go back to hermit kingdom status for x more months until the next ‘outbreak’ … whereupon we can do this all again?
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:08pm
  - cmm
    
    Yes it’s a moronic statement – up there with PRiNZess’ false equivalence with measles.
    
    No doubt a virus obeys the Queensberry Rules and once it loses a round, stays down and doesn’t get up.
    
    No virus in history has been beaten except with a long lasting close to 100% effective vaccine (eg measles and polio). Coronavirus vaccines have proven time and time again to be illusive – hence the common cold.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:32pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @kowtow-
  I would add “allegedly” written by Shane Te Pou, to the story above.
  No disrespect to him, but how do we know he actually wrote the opinion piece?
  It’s an old PR trick:
  Identify a range of people in various walks of life who are well known and liked.
  Ask them to write an opinion piece about the current situation – you know, to jolly along the troops a bit.
  “But I’m not a writer”, they say.
  “Don’t worry about that. We’ll draft something up for you. Have a look at it and maybe change a few words to make it sound more like you.
  We’ll organise the publishing..
  It’ll be great to get your name out there and your supporters will get a whole new impression of your capabilities.
  Here’s $100 for you to donate to wherever .”
  
  That’s how it works, people.
  What do you think the hundreds of people in the Labour Party Comms propaganda bunkers do all day?
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Booster debate..

Will folks in NZ be demanding their 3rd shot soon?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/unethical-unnecessary-covid-19-vaccine-booster-debate-intensifies
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August 28, 2021 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  Interesting how Skegg mentioned “better vaccines” for use down the road .
  
  What does that say about the current crop?
  
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  August 28, 2021 10:06am
  - septic skeptic
    
    That they were invented before Delta.
    
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    August 28, 2021 11:14am
  - Ed Snack
    
    It says that they provide less than ideal cover, but were all that was available at such short notice.
    
    As long as the development of significantly better vaccines proceeds at speed, this was a pretty reasonable tactic to address the initial waves of the disease. Sensible strategies would be looking to transition to improved versions as soon as they can.
    
    Just a propos of Charlie Watts (seems like a good time for this), you can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, sometimes you get what you need. Short term need anyway.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:22pm
- dcrane
  
  We are so far behind. Biden and Co. are already discussing 5 monthly boosters. lol
  
  Don’t get me wrong. It may be true that many of us should get vaccinated before covid spreads widely here, but we must oppose the craze for mandates.
  
  The vaccines are not the point of the mandates, really. The vaccine is like a macguffin in a movie script, a necessary device to move the plot along. The enthusiasm for them is rooted in class-driven enthusiasm for control over the deplorables, whom the elites fear more every day. Power to silence, fire, deplatform, probably de-bank eventually. That’s what my antennae are beginning to fear.
  
  https://www.cnet.com/health/biden-says-booster-could-come-after-five-months-what-that-means-for-covid-19-vaccine-boosters/
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:49am
  - miltonF
    
    Correct. The vaccines are proven not to prevent transmission. That makes them merely tools to dehumanise people who aren’t authoritarians.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:38pm
    - dcrane
      
      Maybe this will change like so many other “facts”, but so far the vaccines do look to reduce the risk of serious disease/hospitalization/death upon contracting covid.
      
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      August 28, 2021 4:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A Marine Patriot laying the blame where it belongs – woke senior leadership from the Obama era.
Get those Navy Seals in there to fix it. Hit the elite Taliban animals hard. Robert O’Neill says he and 9 others can do this.
https://rumble.com/vlrizi-marine-commander-risks-career-to-demand-accountability-for-afghanistan.html?
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August 28, 2021 10:17am
- PeeJay
  
  Apparently he’s been relieved of duty already! Ballsy move to post knowing you are throwing your career away!
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah just heard that. The Obama appointed elite don’t like the truth. He is prob better off out rather than put up with all that woke bullshit
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:07pm
- oldfella
  
  Steve, he’s now been stood down for his comments. Not surprising.
  https://www.mediaite.com/news/marine-officer-relieved-of-duty-for-criticizing-leaders-over-afghanistan/
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:13pm
Inandout

On the subject of covid and that most annoying four times an hour woman with a voice that seems to seep through even the lowest radio volume. Well I have rediscovered my extensive CD collection and I have some great albums.
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August 28, 2021 10:24am
- Hard Cheese
  
  That woman’s voice gives me the shits, reading the Govt. Covid ads as if she were about to start a singalong for “The Wheels on the Bus”. It’s like they picked her out of the local kindy – must be a friend of Ardern’s.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:06am
  - doggone7
    
    Maybe it’s deliberate to see who would crack first and add to the Mental Health stats.
    
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    August 28, 2021 12:12pm
- greybeard
  
  To me it is the equivalent of Soviet-era propaganda messages from street-side loudspeakers.
  And the exhortation to “Unite” is straight from the Commie playbook, their mantra.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:38am
- dcrane
  
  That voice sounds so insincere. It’s like they don’t want people to believe what she says.
  
  Can the people in charge really think that addressing a person like a child gets them to behave?
  
  Or, could be it that most people really DO comply when spoken to like children?
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:53am
  - miltonF
    
    Or the vaccine is being targeted at specific groups of people. Those with child like minds, the sheeple and minorities.
    
    I can’t help but realise that the data and science on vaccines doesn’t ever match the narrative we are being told to believe. Example: narrative: vaccine is 98% effective.
    Data: Israel: most vaccinated country on earth – record deaths last week.
    
    It makes me suspect that the plan the entire time is for sheep like people to take the vaccine, and for free thinkers to not take the vaccine. Why else would the data not match the narrative?
    
    Is the plan to sterilise or reduce the sheeple population, who are a drain on society? Especially with AI on the horizon?
    
    Or is the plan to dehumanise free thinkers, remove their human rights and influence and have total communist control?
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:48pm
- Fletch
  
  I was just thinking about this over the last couple of days. It’s like one of those dystopian films where everything is falling apart and exploding and the calm robot voice is trying to tell you what to do.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “This is a Covid 19 announcement”
  Fuck off
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Next Mr Plod will be driving up and down the street with it blaring from the loudspeaker
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:57pm
ABS4EVA

If you are a lawyer in Lock down?

How about A criminal investigation of

MONGREL MOB GATE

with the view of charges and court case

then

JUSTICE
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August 28, 2021 10:28am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uXkf0jAQ7A

The Party is Over. China is Done.

It’s over guys, China is no longer an option to work, live and invest in… For a deeper dive into China’s Propaganda influence and soft power. [13:07]
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August 28, 2021 10:34am
curry4me

https://www.foxnews.com/media/james-madison-university-students-racist-training

Uni Students shred CRT.

James Madison University is under fire for pushing controversial rhetoric as part of its freshmen orientation training for student leaders.
The PowerPoint presentation and accompanying video addressed topics like social justice, identity, power and privilege, and labeled any person who fits the parameters of White, male, straight and Christian as oppressors in a detailed chart.
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August 28, 2021 10:36am
CAKE FACE1

I wanted to award one of the Stuff journalists the Labour Lickspittle of the Year Award, but there are so many deserving recipients, its a huge challenge to get it right. I’m a huge fan of watching cringing, kowtowing, ingratiating behaviour. Our glorious media keeps me satiated in the “beautiful game” of sycophant watching.

The government has paid this lot $55 million.

Who, then, has been the best value for government money, in terms of propaganda value?

Here are my top three so far:

Henry Cooke – has another level of snivelling flattery to most other contenders, but this young gun has enormous potential to improve his obsequiousness with practice. One for the future.

Master Luke Malpass – This quisling has elevated brownnosing into an art form. His consistency in delivering ingratiating fawning is noted by fans as special. Some of his slavish toadying moves have been so extreme as to become legend in the spineless hack watching community. Could be this years winner.

Chairperson Alison Mao – look, I don’t want to put words into this ladies mouth. Let’s read her application:

“They play all the old hits; you know the prime minister will talk about us, the team of five million, and kindness, and it will take her close to/more than eight minutes to announce any change in alert levels. Dr Ashley will be calm and steady and use the phrase “what I can tell you” more than once. There will be deeply furrowed brows from both.
Some don’t find these updates as strangely comforting as I do.”

It is a masterpiece in fawning, deferential and unctuous speak.

I suppose the only issue with Chairperson Mao is sometimes she goes of message, into the realm of man hating diatribes, which distract from her brownnosing the government responsibilities.

So who is your Labour Lickspittle of the Year?
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August 28, 2021 10:37am
wilderbeast

Anyone seen this?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/peter-hughes-in-response-to-kate-hawkesby/

I find this astonishing. Bloomfield has had a dream ride with the media. Critical articles are rare – but the moment we get one Hughes embarks on a passionate defence of Bloomfield and attempts to give the whole public service a free pass…has he forgotten who he and they all work for?

This will only embolden MoH. And shows things are truly dire.
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August 28, 2021 10:40am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Mrs Hoskings got put back in her box there.
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:46pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    How so? All I see is a bald assertion that she “crossed the line”. I guess, if like Hughes, you have ideology on your side reason is by the by. A quick look on the SSC website and it all makes sense. Kool aid in abundance
    
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    August 28, 2021 5:25pm
Maggie Pie

Oz may have some even bigger concerns than Helter Delta….

“Transmasculine, non-binary queer, says being misgendered is distressing”

https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1431366008132882432
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August 28, 2021 10:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Crenshaw.
https://leadpatriot.com/crenshaw-offers-the-only-advice-biden-should-listen-to-after-kubal-bombing/13266/
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August 28, 2021 11:17am
Inandout

A rather cheeky question, but anyhoo. If Christchurch had another massive earthquake next week would Jacinda rescind her level 3?
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August 28, 2021 11:23am
- Stu2
  
  Of course
  
  Four would be needed immediately, as all the ICU capacity would be in use
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:32pm
WaveyDavey

Vaccine stocks…

Anyone know what vaccine deliveries we’re expecting between now and October?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126210677/covid19-government-plans-to-stretch-out-pfizer-stock-as-delta-cases-mount

From the following page we see that there were 400,000 doses at the end of the week before last (22 Aug)

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

We also see that there were 300,000+ doses administered in the week before lockdown and c280,000 to the end of last week. A week that included a 24hr vaccination suspension and also not all vaccination stations reopened immediately

TL:DR If we went into last week with 400k vaccines left and last week set record vaccination numbers (as seems likely) and we have no substantial vaccine deliveries due until October our rollout is f*cked and we’re likely to be locked down until November at the earliest

Unsurprising that the govt is pinning its hopes on an elimination strategy
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August 28, 2021 11:32am
- MrTips
  
  bingo.
  
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  August 28, 2021 11:45am
- Nickc2
  
  Hey Jess, another question without notice for the Podium of Truth.
  Nah, won’t happen eh.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:32pm
MrTips

BREAKING – NZ Govt to announce new COVID alert Level parameters……..

KB readers have exclusive access to leaked COVID alert changes that the PM is set to announce. As follows:

Level 1: You know what? We just might get away with this. We can keep arseing about and even let Woods or Mahuta on TV to announce something. Poto is a little bit too much but we can always rely on Jessica there. Pretty calm, relaxed and by large, a non-Gayford requiring level. Media compliance at optimum.

Level 2: Hmmm….what the hell happened? Probably should pull out the inoffensive looking Ashley to calm things down a bit. So long as Biden is awake, someone stupider than us can hog the media. Tell Hendy and Hilary Barry to get ready though, we may need someone else to incessantly shake their head on TV or spit drivel on Instagram. Tova looking at me funny. So is Claire.

Level 3: Ok, this is getting serious. Now Luke, Andrea & that irritating Michael Morrah are looking at me funny too. Get Grunt on the line and tell Chippy to put on a new suit – he’s up for the mud-slinging. Ashley, what the f*** is going on?

Level 4: Hide. Under no circumstances allow the bad news and my face on the same screen. And protect Ashley – he knows too much; get that McElray girl to do it with Chippy. Tell Baker to do even more media, 150 a day isn’t enough. Where the f*** are those stories about Clarke ? Helen!!!!!!
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August 28, 2021 11:44am
Parnell Gun Club

So I’m in Pak’nSave yesterday. At the checkout the operator, a middle-aged, south-east Asian lady politely asked me to step back and stand behind the line on the floor. I apologised and complied. She apologised also and remarked that they now have so many rules to follow. She went on to say that it’s like we are living under the Nazis.

Could it be that the leader of the team of five million is losing the changing room? One can hope.
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August 28, 2021 11:46am
Ra Henare

Interesting.
I was visiting my 78 yo sister when lockdown happened.
I have stayed
a) she lives by herself
b) she has early onset dementia
c) House cleaner can not come
d) Lawn/garden guys can come
e) Her offspring cant visit (they were regular visitors)
f) She is totally over the lady with teeth 🙂
g) Like most elderly ladies I know. She “”has”” to watch the news.
h) Keeps worrying about getting milk, bread etc
as nobody to take her>

So I am chauffer, house cleaner, gardener, visitor until this shemozzle is over.

How many others are suffering like my sister??
During Jacinda being kind L4 or L3

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76229784/one-in-10-elderly-kiwis-could-be-socially-isolated-age-concern-says
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August 28, 2021 11:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There will be many suffering, but the socialist Govt and Jaspinda don’t give a fuck. Power and control are all that matters
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:16pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  You’re a good person Ra.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s great that you are there with her when non-urgent cares are unavailable under Lockdown 4.
  
  In my local circle we have concerns for a friend who is showing memory loss and is recovering from a nasty fall.
  She lives alone, but a few of my ancient mates burst their bubble each day to call in and spend a bit of their day with her.
  
  Another mate has her rather immobile (stroke victim) hubby to cope with at home with no respite.
  She can only leave him for the brief few minutes it takes to walk the dog around the block.
  
  I find it very interesting that a lefty troll on this blog thinks all that is happening is that we are being asked to stay home.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/08/general_debate_28_august_2021.html#comment-3004101
  
  Shows how out-of-touch they are with ordinary folks’ lives.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:18pm
- Surely Knott
  
  You are doing a good job Ra.
  
  “How many others are suffering like my sister?”
  According to Oz mortality statistics. (Jan 2021 – May 2021) Dementia is the largest increase in serious health issues affecting mortality. 17% higher than the 2015-2019 avg. Cancer 6% higher.
  While deaths due to Pneumonia were 15% lower than 2015-2019 average. And chronic lower respitory was only 3.5% higher.
  
  So the biggest change seems to be on dementia. Yet the only health focus seems to be on covid and vaccination. I wonder if lockdown and the constant fear campaign in the media is affecting mental health particularly of our elderly. And our cancer stats.
  
  So keep up the good work your sister is lucky to have someone like you in her life
  
  (There are no stats for NZ)
  https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:35pm
- Taieri
  
  It’s turning into grotesque:
  
  “A Northland man will watch from the road as his wife of 53 years is laid to rest this morning.
  The man from Whangarei said he was “beside himself” on Saturday morning as he set up a Zoom link for family members and faced the prospect of farewelling his wife from afar.
  
  Under alert level 4 restrictions he is unable to enter the grounds as his wife is buried.”
  
  Be kind indeed…
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:57pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    This story made me so angry. My heart aches for him. You can go to the liquor store, you can go to the grocery store, but you can’t bury your wife. Come on. They should have just made the family isolate afterwards and get tested for 14 days if required. They could have found a way.
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Stones were right all along, without knowing the half of it – “what a drag it is getting old”
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:47pm
WaveyDavey

As we know, Aus is keen to send us “their” 501s

I wonder why when we’re so keen to send them our ferals

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/world/adelaide-based-kiwi-mother-addicted-to-meth-kept-children-in-home-with-faeces-on-floor-rotting-food-court-hears/

You can take the girl out of Rotorua…”
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August 28, 2021 12:19pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see the pink haired one is now threatening us with lockdown to Christmas. Which would appear to be beyond her remit.

Whenever I see someone with look-at-me hair, it makes me question their opinions; it’s as if what she has to say is insufficiently insightful or novel in its own right.
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August 28, 2021 12:24pm
- doggone7
  
  It doesn’t matter what she says because of the colour of her hair?
  Yet you’re on here saying she’s threatening us with lockdown to Christmas?
  Does what she says matter or not?
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  if Santa doesn’t come this year it is because we have been naughty boys and girls and inbetweenies.
  
  NOTHING to do with Mummy & Daddy spending all the dough on their power trip.
  
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  August 28, 2021 12:50pm
- yossarian
  
  Apparently she shuns the limelight…apparently?
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:23pm
- Peter Lane
  
  Hendy has just suggested tougher Level 4 restrictions suggesting ‘selective supermarket closures’.
  
  Words fail me for once.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:40pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    What the f is a “selective supermarket closure’?
    
    My local selectively closes between 10.00pm and 8.00am, Hendy ‘80,000 grandma’s are going to DIE and it will be your fault’ wants more closures?
    
    Why do we tolerate this self important pontificating twat?
    
    Did we not learn the first time that his pronounciations are up there with Chamberlain?
    
    Chocolate fireguard springs to mind . . .
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:09pm
- lifesgood
  
  When you are hugely over weight deflecting attention to your hair is a good ploy.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:47pm
Critical Thinker

New Zealand’s decent into the New Tyranny dystopia.

NZ police on yet another idiotic power trip ?

https://twitter.com/luke_wijohn/status/1431363811064176643
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August 28, 2021 12:38pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Bet he wasn’t a gang member. Oh no sir, wouldn’t have the balls or the mandate to do that to one of Jancinda’s team.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:07pm
- kowtow
  
  There’s no way that the filmer was “obstructing’ police by filming from a distance .
  
  If anything the cops were menacing / intimidating the filmer for filming and then abused their powers by demanding particulars .
  
  Wouldn’t it be nice if our Media Pardy took this up , seeing as how they made a hero of everyone who filmed the Fentanyl Floyd incident .
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:10pm
Tony Stuart

Once again either the Beehive or the Ministry of Health is selectively leaking information to the NZ Herald. The Herald is claiming that “more than 80” new cases of Covid will be announced at 1pm today, taking the total past 400.
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August 28, 2021 12:59pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  And when the MoH media release finally came out at 1.20pm (seriously, is it THAT difficult to be on time?), there were 82 new cases.
  
  Of more concern however is that there are now 23 people in hospital, including one in Wellington, and two people in ICU. I’m pretty sure with the Sydney Delta outbreak, there was a 10-14 day lag before the number of hospitalisations started to ramp up. That doesn’t bode especially well. A doctor friend tweeted last night that she was absolutely exhausted last night after spending the day caring for a Covid patient in one of the Auckland hospitals (I won’t say which one) and that even cases in general wards require a more intensive level of care.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:48pm
  - kowtow
    
    What we need to know is whether the patients had any pre existing conditions , age etc
    
    Context is hugely important to the full story.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:00pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Too bad. Lots are tired after a days work. Health professionals need to park the melodramatics.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:11pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Bit harsh chap. My experience with health professionals is that none of them are there for the renumeration, sort of like the teachers, police, ambulance, . . .
      
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      August 28, 2021 4:13pm
  - MrTips
    
    Tony, National need to hammer the govt and Ashley Bloomers on whether budesonide and sotrovimab feature as part of their therapy plans (see my reply to Maggy W down below). Both those drugs work, budesonide is cheap and easy. Aussie is using sotrovimab, here…….crickets.
    
    Please, please use your contacts. The public need to know about these advances.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:18pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It’s already happening Mr T; the Taxpayers Union is in dialogue with Chris Bishop.
      
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      August 28, 2021 3:26pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That’s the downside of not using any therapeutics to treat people known to have been exposed. Hitting them hard and early with all the stuff shown to have been effective in myriad trials over last year could spare between 50 and 90% of them from severe covid. Much of it is over-the-counter too.
    https://c19early.com/
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:16pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Agree. I feel manipulated. PM swore the other day that they don’t drip feed the data before 1pm. So why does it happen some days and not others? I guess cos it suits the government….
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:55pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see at least some of the New Zealanders (actually, Afghani citizens who have achieved NZ PR, an important distinction glossed over the MSM) stuck in Kabul had recently travelled there for family reasons.

I thought that we are all discouraged from unnecessary international travel in these COVID times. I support the right of the individual to make their own decisions in a matter of this type, but they need to accept the dangers that go with it. It’s not for the NZDF to put their lives at risk in consequence.
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August 28, 2021 1:03pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Four car crash in Wellington, cnr Vivian & Victoria.

Major fail, on multiple levels.
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August 28, 2021 1:10pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s a drive-in vax clinic at Sky Stadium. Bikes not allowed. Sooo unfair.
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August 28, 2021 1:12pm
- Ruawai
  
  Not allowed to walk to the vax centre at Pukekohe as everyone has to queue in their cars. Even though on the website it says which public transport to use to get there. Go figure!
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:53pm
Ian Hawthorn

Our PM just threatened us with a lockdown over Christmas. Not happening Jacinda. I’m willing to play along only until everyone has had a chance to get jabbed.
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August 28, 2021 1:14pm
wilderbeast

This from earlier today:

09:50am – Associate Health Minister Aupito William Sio told Newshub Nation he expects another rise in numbers today.

“As expected, there will be an increase in numbers today. I’ve not yet heard any reports that we’ve yet peaked. So the officials will work through to confirm those numbers and it will be announced later.”

“The numbers will be increasing as we expected. You’ll get that, the nation will receive that briefing at 1pm. I haven’t seen any reports to indicate that [the outbreak has peaked].”

I’m confused – the PM swears black and blue that the numbers get announced at 1pm, period. So what can this be other than conditioning us? I can only assume Sio when referring to “reports” means advice they are receiving from MoH?
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August 28, 2021 1:17pm
- septic skeptic
  
  “As expected”. Bullshit. They told us the lockdown was expected to have taken effect by now and that case numbers would be dropping. It looks increasingly likely that this will not be contained. The plan was to have the slowest Vax rollout in the OECD. It could well be that that plans costs a considerable number of lives over the next few months.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:25pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Yes Plank and Hendy modelling told us it would be basically sorted by now. What a bunch of muppets
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

+82, 429 positive cases.
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August 28, 2021 1:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hospital numbers increasing also…
  
  25 now in hospital
  2 in Intensive care
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/08/coronavirus-82-new-cases-takes-outbreak-to-429.html
  
  Looks like the spin doctors will be hard at work this weekend.
  
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  August 28, 2021 1:33pm
  - rockape
    
    Hospitalisation tends to occur about 8 days after infection diagnosed. ICU a bit later if needed.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:38pm
  - MrTips
    
    Could all be improved easy Maggy.
    
    Budesonide works. Two trials, STOIC and PRINCIPLE have shown it.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01744-X/fulltext
    
    Aussies have now approved sotrovimab too.
    https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/tga-approves-new-covid-19-treatment-for-use-in-australia
    
    Both work and are non-controversial. The public needs to be aware of these positive therapeutic advances.
    
    Instead, we lockdown and hide away in the corner.
    Pathetic.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:53pm
  - MCos
    
    There’s an awful lot of spinning going on right here on this forum.
    I’ve never read some much doom & gloom on Kiwiblog.
    
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    August 28, 2021 1:55pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Probably because I can’t recall a Labour government ever being in control when the sh.t hit the fan.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:24pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m not spinning..just graphing the data as it comes in.
      
      And note…I’m not such a f***wit to start a model on 4 days’ data and make a pronouncement.
      
      Neither am I likely to spin away 10 days of data based on a single data point as our PM did yesterday telling us were new cases weren’t increasing.
      
      It’s the long trend that matters…and as far as I can see, the virus is still infecting folk.
      
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      August 28, 2021 3:17pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Has your graph got any of those trendy blue dots that seem to have no relevance and stuff the visuals or have been boring and just stuck to the information being mapped?
        
        I suspect the latter, shame really because big blue irrelevant dots are sooooooo now . . .
        
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        August 28, 2021 4:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m afraid I’m still stuck in the pencil and graph paper era… but I’ve discovered an online log converter, so haven’t had to ferret out a book of log tables.
        
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        August 28, 2021 5:38pm
      - TWEEDSE
        
        Hi Maggy. We all need to keep in mind that declaring people as “infected” is based on an imperfect test. The PCR test. MOH says the standard for declaring an infection is a CT of 40. Even Fauci admits anything over 35 can give a positive or negative result. Test the same sample again and you get a different result. The PCR test also fails to differentiate between active infection and past infection.
        
        All the media stories, government spin, lockdowns, endless opinion pieces use an unreliable test from which every decision is made.
        
        We are using unreliable data, amplifying it through media and policy to the detremenent of all.
        
        Yes people can get sick and occasionally die from a Covid19 infection but the majority have no symptoms what so ever.
        
        If we let fear trump reason we are lost.
        
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        August 29, 2021 8:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Data and spin are different sides of the table. Most of the spin comes from Jaspinda sycophants – like you MCos
      
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      August 28, 2021 4:07pm
  - sooty
    
    More covid cases in NZ, than Victoria!
    It’s going swimingly, aye cindy!
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:15pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    But Maggy – our dearest PM in history assured us the other day that the daily increase wasn’t exponential.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Clearly doesn’t know how to graph total numbers of cases against time.
      (a 3rd form skill for an average child I would have thought)
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:32pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I bet they are all obese.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:43pm
- cmm
  
  Still exponential too. And so it shall remain until the second differential goes negative.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ah now you’re gonna confuse the masses…
    but if any mathematician or epidemiologist wants to explain why this isn’t exponential growth, then I’m interested to learn more.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:37pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      It’s not fashionable to accuse Bloomfield of lying. So let’s just say he was “too specific” when he said that.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:38pm
    - cmm
      
      I’d like to see their workings.
      
      Any time the increase itself is increasing then it is exponential.
      
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      August 28, 2021 2:46pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        
        That’s by Definition.
        
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        August 28, 2021 3:19pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    cmm, you must realize that Cindy uses an alternate set of mathematical laws. Just look at the graph that proves we are doing as well as Canada in vax numbers.
    
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    August 28, 2021 2:40pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was talking to a friend of his earlier who contracts as a Process Server to the courts. Has done for years. Very lucrative occupation by all accounts. Drives the latest Bentley. Has about 30 part-timers that he calls on when needed….and he was saying they’ve never been busier!
In the last month alone they handled over 500 summonses, the vast majority for the Banks. One in particular accounted for more than 60% of the Demands.
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August 28, 2021 1:26pm
- peterwn
  
  Note that process servers do not work for the courts (perhaps the odd exception) but generally work for lawyers who need to have papers served on behalf of their clients. The courts want independent evidence that such papers have been successfully served and make a statutory declaration to that effect (it has to before a JP or lawyer not involved in the case).
  Judith Collins sued Trevor Mallard several years ago and Trevor tried to play hard to get but a process server successfully flushed him out.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:27pm
  - Inandout
    
    peter, you are mostly correct but most affidavits are handled by the district court office. Lawyers are generally unavailable or reluctant to handle sworn affidavits. With regard to Maggie’s comment yes there will be an increase in mortgage foreclosures on dwellings as the ‘overcommittment’ chickens come home to roost.
    
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    August 28, 2021 5:35pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Guessing, KiwiBank?
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:37pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He did tell me not to mention it Kev….so all I will say it has a ‘W’ in it.
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They were not called ‘process servers’ in my day. Just wanks with a paper to get your arse to Court or plod could arrest.
  All seemed to drive Morris/Austin 1100’s
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:13pm
  - Inandout
    
    SO, and times have changed.
    
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    August 28, 2021 5:35pm
CAKE FACE1

I thought Cindy was supposed to do her smug dance at 1pm?

Then I hear that the 1pm propaganda show has been postponed until the news can be improved…
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August 28, 2021 1:31pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Should be better numbers on Monday. Testing stations are usually quieter over the weekend.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Indeed…
    beware of the spin….. wait until mid-week to see if the curve has started to flatten.
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:21pm
Rusty

What does peaked in relation to covid cases mean in the first place?

Why does our PM or Ashley Bloomfield never use that word “peaked” when referring to covid deaths or ICU cases?

Higher numbers of covid cases compared to a previous day doesn’t mean something serious.

Example: More cases of road accidents in a week compared to a previous week does not mean more people are dying on our roads.
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August 28, 2021 1:37pm
- septic skeptic
  
  It’s a pretty good predictor though, isn’t it. More cases now predicts more hospitalizations, ICU and deaths in a couple of weeks.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:36pm
- cmm
  
  I’d say the fair definition of “peaked” would be when the number of current cases stops rising. ie. we’ve got to the point where more people are getting better than getting sick, so our hospitals etc are over the worst.
  
  Half marks for no longer being exponential. In other words, the number of new cases from one day to the next is decreasing. With some elapsed time that will lead to the number of current cases dropping.
  
  But when the number of new cases is still increasing on a daily basis we’re still exponential.
  
  In a small country like NZ we need to be very careful how we look at numbers. Small numbers make for a lot of noise. One day with numbers less than the previous day could just be natural variance. It needs a bit longer to make any definitive statement.
  
  That is what made the earlier statements by Hendy so irresponsible. He should have just said “we don’t know”, then shut up. Instead, he opened his mouth, frightened a lot of people and made an arse of himself too.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That is what made the earlier statements by Hendy so irresponsible.
    
    Neighbour told Hubby that the Lockdown would soon be over because Professor Hendy had said we could expect new numbers to start falling as Lockdown was now operating.
    
    Hubby went ballistic and told neighbour what he thought of Prof Hendy’s modelling abilities…
    
    I then reminded Hubby that Prof Hendy was an old boy of his High School and a fellow Physics graduate of Massey Uni.
    
    Didn’t appease his disgust ….
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:30pm
CAKE FACE1

Elimination was always an insane strategy.

Now, everyone wants to dump it, but to do so without losing face.

The answer, it seems, is to claim that Delta is like a new virus. Dr Raymond Bloomfield made this bogus claim!

We’ve had Alpha (UK), Beta (South Africa), Gamma (Brazil) and now Delta (India).

The infectiousness of each strain has been increasing, but everyone always knew this would happen – natural selection would predict this path.

Yet Dr Bloomfield was blindsided by this?

Our “experts” have been the worst in the world. Why is this? Allow me to explain.

Baker, Wiles, Hendy, Wilson – these people are socialists first, and fake scientists second.

Basically, they are pushing a socialist ideology, irrespective of what the science says.

They are all climate fanatics. They want to see everyone digging the fields with their bare hands.

After the Elimination Fantasy is abandoned or it collapses, they all need to be fired.
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August 28, 2021 1:57pm
- cmm
  
  Exactly right. Anyone with the most basic understanding of biology knew:
  1) There was never going to just be one wave.
  2) Dodging a wave just makes the next one bigger.
  
  In virus evolution, future sucessful strains tend to be more infectious (ie. better at replicating), but also tend to to be less deadly.
  
  Note: I said successful strains. There would have been million of other mutations which were less infectious and thus died out quickly without replicating.
  
  This all comes down to the fitness function. The fittest virus is one that spreads well (ie. making more of itself) while not compromising its life support systems (ie. people to infect). Kill people is bad business for a virus.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:44pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    The Swedes ensured that the Alpha version of Ro passed nice and slowly through their entire population, so their ICU’s were never overwhelmed.
    
    I think that there is good chance that our hospitals are going to be overwhelmed.
    
    What is incredible is that over the past 18 months the government has spent a stimulus package of over 50% of GDP – and actually managed to reduce the number of available ICU’s.
    
    I can’t help wondering how it is possible to be this incompetent?
    
    No wonder they want to kick the can down the road for as long as they can.
    
    I’ve got this horrible feeling that when this virus is finally endemic in NZ, it will have caused more health damage to us, than most other countries in the world. This is partly because our government has been so smug (little dance et al). Also, our population is in a terribly unhealthy state.
    
    I actually think that we will also have end up having the worst economic impact of the virus in the world. Everyone else is finished, and we are just starting. Dragging it out like this is economically ruinous.
    
    Finally, when the dust has settled, we’ll have suffered the worst impact on our freedoms in the world. Our lockdowns have been the most strict.
    
    Overall, our handling of this crisis couldn’t have been worse.
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pink terror, bending over digging the fields.
  OK, 200 L drum of mind bleach – who is buying and we will set the market price
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe Biden is not just licking Taliban boots, he is giving the boot a full on blowjob
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August 28, 2021 1:59pm
- MCos
  
  Doing plenty of spinning there, Steve
  The Secretary of State of the previous geriatric president was in Qatar after Trump lost the election paving the way for the Teliban to take over Afghanistan.
  Those web sites you get your “news” from would have forgotten about that.
  https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/pompeo-meets-afghan-taliban-negotiators-qatar
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:13pm
  - Inandout
    
    MCos, imagine for one moment Biden speaking for an hour without squinting into a monitor. Of course you can’t, Joe is hopeless, come on admit it.
    
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    August 28, 2021 5:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Batman
    
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    August 29, 2021 8:17am
Opie

I see today the pink haired muppet is threatening everyone that if we drop down alert levels too early we could be in lockdown for xmas.

That’s 4 months away, she should be imprisoned for attempting to terrify.

Yet more evidence that this whole thing is scripted.

Give the peasants level 3 but keep them scared so they know who is in control
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August 28, 2021 2:06pm
- septic skeptic
  
  She is as usual talking through her ass. Even if we “eliminade” this outbreak there is no reason to suppose there won’t be a further MIQ failure later on that leads to another lockdown over Xmas.
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:33pm
- doggone7
  
  “Pink haired muppet’?
  You reckon we should stipulate what colour hair people should have? Maybe certain colours for certain occupations. Or coded for income?
  
  Such a move of course would fit the narrative that we have the most dictatorial, fascist government in the history of the world which some seem to have vaccinated themselves with. Hair colour by dictate.
  
  It wouldn’t be part of some Total Control agenda though. It would simply be to avoid numbers being discombobulated by some woman looking different than most.
  All the crap we see about the horror of schools indoctrinating kids to all be the same yet someone comes along with pink hair and it’s major flip out time. What the hell’s that about?
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:42pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Here’s a Pink-Haired Fraggle snap quiz for you;
    
    Which of the following does she have expertise in
    
    a) Vaccinology
    b) Virology
    c) Acute infection
    d) Epidemiology
    e) Statistical modelling
    f) Outbreak control
    g) Hand hygiene
    h) None of the above
    
    BTW she calls herself the “pink-haired science lady” She specifically chooses to trade on that physical description so she (and you) can eat it
    
    https://unidirectory.auckland.ac.nz/profile/s-wiles
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:10pm
    - doggone7
      
      The answer could be none of them. Which would put her at the level of the online experts in places like this.
      
      I think she picked up a science textbook at some stage which would put her ahead of us online experts.
      
      Oops, just checked the link. Yeah, she studied medical microbiology at the University of Edinburgh, followed by a PhD in microbiology at the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology in Oxford.
      
      Blah blah, we all still know more than her.
      
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      August 28, 2021 5:19pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        So we agree then
        
        No expertise in the subjects upon which she is invited to comment
        
        Psst… Covid isn’t a bacterium, luminescent or otherwise, in case you hadn’t noticed
        
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        August 28, 2021 5:59pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        we all still know more than her
        
        State your qualifications then …
        
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        August 28, 2021 6:24pm
      - Taieri
        
        Followed by distinguished professorship at Te Whare Matauranga where, together with professor Hendy, she’s one of the most prominent scholars.
        
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        August 28, 2021 8:10pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I think pink haired muppet is a pretty good description. If you said “Doctor” people might conclude she is a qualified virologist or epidemiologist (she’s a microbiologist). And if you said Siouxsie they might think she was North American Indian. No, on balance pink haired muppet is likely to cause the least confusion.
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:21pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe she had a bad english teacher, as well as other teachers
      
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      August 28, 2021 4:22pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    There wouldn’t be any comment about her hair if she wasn’t so stupid. And let’s face it, when you dye your hair pink you’re searching for attention of any kind. So ya know….
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Love your hair wilderbeast //
      
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      August 28, 2021 4:24pm
  - Opie
    
    Let’s not over think this.
    
    She has pink hair. That’s a fact.
    
    She is a fucken muppet.
    
    If I died my hair pink, got fat and started talking rubbish about a subject in which I am not qualified or experienced in, I would expect to be called a muppet as well.
    
    The terror is working though, lots of people out walking wearing masks today. Mostly just over the mouth though so they can prove their allegiance but not actual cause any discomfort.
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:05pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      If you started (anonymously) sounding off on a subject and you can’t/won’t explain why people should believe you … other than what you have seen on the internet.
      
      Siouxie has her flaws, but we know who she is. Opie on KB not so much …
      
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      August 28, 2021 6:28pm
- wilderbeast
  
  She’s as mad as a snake and should turn on her heels back to where she came from.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:02pm
ABS4EVA

What do Labour Party Supporters DO

Seriously Can we ask?

I mean apart from living off the Tax payer
and what they are told

What else?

All these Nurses Cops Counsellors
Unionised Industries

ARE YOU HAVING FUN YET

Have you figured out when the People
who RUN Honest Businesses can no longer

WHO PAYS YOUR WAGES?

CCP DEBT?

Don’t worry PETALS
SHE SIGNED UP FOR IT
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August 28, 2021 2:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If 12 days ago someone told me to deposit $1 into their special bank and today I could withdraw $429, then I’d have figured they had some magic money machine that could double your money every 2 and a bit days.
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August 28, 2021 2:28pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Oh dear – nice, but appaling that we have dropped as a population to such a level of cynercism
  
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  August 28, 2021 2:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

4 years ago Trump warned about Afghanistan withdrawal. Biden did what he did out of pure hate – directed by Obama of course. Let’s hear the excuses from the left ….
https://rumble.com/vlrm6s-flashback-4-years-ago-trump-warned-against-exactly-what-biden-is-doing.html?
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August 28, 2021 2:32pm
cmm

I really, really, hope that she can turn her life around, but meth addicts – or any addicts for that matter – don’t have much chance of keeping themselves on the straight and narrow.

As much as we’d like otherwise, a “vow” from an addict isn’t worth much.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/adelaide-based-kiwi-mother-addicted-to-meth-kept-children-in-home-with-faeces-on-floor-rotting-food-court-hears/XSU5A4ZB7PJ2UTD4ZJVZL2EDXY/
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August 28, 2021 2:35pm
Southern Raider

We need to stop giving these COVID “experts” oxygen

Shaun Hendry is now calling for effectively Level 5 lockdown claiming we need to significantly tighten Level 4 including closing more supermarkets
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August 28, 2021 2:49pm
- Cinematic
  
  Lockdown is all they have. It’s inevitable that restrictions will be increased. I did a double red wine shop today in preparation.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:10pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Agree the whole “expert” narrative has been carefully captured by the risk averse, controlling left. Why have people like Des Gorman been sidelined? And why have economists been completely kicked to touch? Honestly it seems to me that Hendy, Skegg and Baker are myopic and out to lunch. Anyone who attempts to run a cost benefit argument or to quantify the economic cost is written off as a covid denier and non believer. The complete absence of an economic debate is a disgrace and reflects government control and the acquiescence and ignorance of the msm.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:11pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Yep. Hands up those that think that pushing everyone through only a few supermarkets and therefore even longer queues will stop the spread.
  Next will be a further crackdown on outdoor exercise, notwithstanding that fresh air and sunlight are prophylactic.
  This is starting to look like desperation.
  Personally, having been vaxxed, a mild breakthrough infection could be just what I need to boost long term immunity. But the planned slow vax rollout means that a great many who want the shots haven’t even had one dose yet.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:14pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Ah – so starve us to death so the virus doesn’t have live bodies to transfer to and replicate. Good thinking frm Hendy.//
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:15pm
  - Cinematic
    
    I get the logic but can’t see it doing well with the focus groups.
    
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    August 28, 2021 3:26pm
- Scooter
  
  Is this the same idiot who forecasted 80,000 deaths with no lockdown? So now let’s close some supermarkets so more people are forced to cram into others. It’s almost like they want more infected.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:16pm
- Stu2
  
  Bizarre isn’t it – how can concentrating shoppers reduce the spread. It would mean more trips to the supermarket as the shelves would empty faster
  
  And how many have been infected in supermarkets post lockdown – none ?
  
  The info today didn’t seem to say what these cases were. Mainly household infections? Any mystery cases?
  
  The second “Jet Park” will be filling fast, what next?
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:20pm
  - Ruawai
    
    Don’t think Shaun Hendy uses a lot of logic just scare tactics.
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:45pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Shaun Hendy is an idiot. But unfortunately where Jacinda is concerned, a useful one. Did he not predict 80,000 deaths in NZ last year
  
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  August 28, 2021 5:06pm
Maggie Pie

Went up to NW just before……

completely out of the ‘Massimo’s Cherry Bocconcini’.

In fact no stock whatsoever of their Italian Cheeses to be seen.

FFS!! 🙁
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August 28, 2021 3:11pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Moet is also in short supply, together with English Stilton.
  
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  August 28, 2021 3:19pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Life is getting tough, Maggie!
    
    :: Hides his Bries and Stiltons…::
    
    Running low on bum-wiper stuff, though, so if Lockdown lasts till Christmas, I will swap my Moet (two bottles) for a few rolls…
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m afraid to say this is what we may have to look forward to for at least a few more weeks 🙁
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:59pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… One day I go to Countdown, no toilet paper, 2 days later, truckloads of bum fodder but not an egg in the place.
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:14pm
Inandout

https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/operating-at-alert-levels/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EC_August_28_2021_COVID_business_travel_special_edition&utm_content=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.business.govt.nz%2Fcovid-19%2Foperating-at-alert-levels%2F

A wet dream composition for a bureaucrat.
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August 28, 2021 3:17pm
Ian Hawthorn

It is stupid for whole country to use just one government approved and selected vaccine when there are multiple effective vaccines available. This creates a single point of failure. It would have been a much better strategy to use a variety of vaccines so that if some variant gets around one the whole population is not vulnerable.
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August 28, 2021 3:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You came up with that now in August 2021 when we all knew 18 months ago?
  Wow, wot a scollar.
  Fuck me, the simple takes a long time to be exposed
  
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  August 28, 2021 4:32pm
  - marcw
    
    Yes we all know you are a genius rocket brain surgeon who is always right Steve – maybe 18 months ago there were NO vaccines though. No need for the abuse eh.
    
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    August 28, 2021 4:55pm
Kiwi

Not sure if this has already been posted.

Hugh Perrett: Open Letter to the PM –
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/08/hugh-perrett-open-letter-to-prime.html
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August 28, 2021 4:06pm
- wilderbeast
  
  I saw it a day or two back. In my estimation quite a backlash is brewing
  
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  August 28, 2021 5:03pm
- kevn
  
  @Kiwi… He should added the poisoned chalice of 3 Waters, being foisted onto ill prepared councils already deep into other compliance issues.
  
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  August 28, 2021 5:05pm
kevn

No Teddy bears in windows this lockdown round.
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August 28, 2021 4:18pm
lazza

On Minister Michael Wood Chris Trotter opines …

“Instead Wood chose to present himself as the inconsistent and mealy-mouthed champion of, well, God knows what.”

Here is a deeply unpopular Labour Party stooge promoted beyond his modest levels of (in)competence displaying his arrogance and hubris.

Who voted for this creep?
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August 28, 2021 4:37pm
- kevn
  
  @Iazza… I remember this smarmy michael woods on the Covid committee chaired by Bridges last year. Added nothing but smart alec comments. Git.
  
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  August 28, 2021 5:07pm
- doggone7
  
  He was against Parmjeet Parmar. You surely didn’t expect her to beat him did you?
  
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  August 28, 2021 5:12pm
Tasman Terror

Notice how mormon and moron are similar words?

We need to stop being so neve.
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August 28, 2021 4:37pm
- The Boss
  
  Referring to the one from Moronsville, TT?
  
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  August 28, 2021 7:30pm
Biscuit

Can someone please go sit with Rugby Australia coach/complainer in chief Dave Rennie and pat his head soothingly.

It seems the bastards who run New Zealand Rugby have gone and made ANOTHER decision without consulting His Highness first:

‘New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has announced a major partnership with Altrad to become the Official Front of Jersey sponsor to the All Blacks and Black Ferns from 2022.
Altrad, a world leader in the provision of industrial services and the manufacturing of equipment for the construction markets, has agreed to a six-year partnership which also includes NZR’s four other Teams in Black – the All Blacks Sevens, Black Ferns Sevens, Māori All Blacks and the New Zealand U20s.

The length of the partnership is testament to Altrad’s enduring passion for rugby which includes its ownership of Montpellier Hérault Rugby Club (MHR) and being the Major Sponsor of the French National Rugby Teams. Altrad sees its partnership with NZR as an opportunity to make a positive impact across both rugby and society on a global scale.’
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August 28, 2021 4:42pm
- doggone7
  
  A lot of noise is coming out of Rugby Australia. Two simple reasons, 25-33 and 22-57.
  
  A pity the All Blacks went to sleep and let the scores get so close.
  
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  August 28, 2021 5:09pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Would it be better if they said “the ABs always beat us, so we can’t be bothered playing them” ….. ?
    
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    August 28, 2021 6:33pm
Ruawai

If they close supermarkets will they issue us with a state food pack each week? They could utilise My Food Bag and their share price would go up.
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August 28, 2021 4:42pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Another reason I will not be getting it:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot

[Mod. Warning – Lots of pop-ups on this link.]
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August 28, 2021 5:54pm
- Muttonbird
  
  You’ve had Covid previously?
  
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  August 28, 2021 6:30pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING….

Just watched Police Commissar Andy Coster on 1EWES saying…..
“How proud he is of his Front Line staff, pulling over hundreds of Superannuitants and young families on Auckland’s Tamaki Drive, checking to see where they’re heading and if they have Face Masks”.

Sez… “So far, more than 500 Infringement Notices have been issued. This has already replenished at least 5% of the $2.5 million given to the Mongrel Mob”.
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August 28, 2021 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally, the MSM reports someone who understands what is happening with the increasing covid-numbers

Covid-19 modeller Rodney Jones, economist and data expert from Wigram Capital Advisors, said he did not see why we would expect fewer cases in the coming days.

“We are still in the midst of a classic Delta outbreak, [one which is] unfolding faster than in Australian states,” he said.

You hope the curve will flatten, but so far we haven’t had one day of lower cases. Each day has brought more.”

Based on Jones’ firm’s modelling while the R value is now below 2, it remains “well above” 1.

He said the rate of transmission, from 11 new cases on the 21st to 82 on the 28th was exponential.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300393669/covid19-end-is-not-in-sight-as-delta-outbreak-case-numbers-continue-to-grow
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