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mikenmildagain

Happy World Soil Day!
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December 5, 2021 8:00am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Does this signify that you’ve sharted again?
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:14pm
  - Mike
    
    Sorry it couldn’t be ‘Blood and Soil’ Day for you.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:53pm
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Well, that would have a whole other set of – rather painful and messy– implications, wouldn’t it. The mind boggles.
      
      But seriously, every day is blood and soil day for me. Any nation is fundamentally based on this concept. Good for the shrubs and the roses, too.
      
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      December 5, 2021 4:56pm
dcrane

A recent medRxiv preprint from Germany reports an extremely low risk from covid in children:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.30.21267048v1

The report found that children aged 5-11 without comorbidities had an ICU admission rate of 0.2 per 10,000. So only 1 in 50,000 cases went to ICU. Zero case fatalities were observed.

Also, a new large survey from Hong Kong, in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, showed the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis in children, following the Pfizer vaccine (Comirnarty), to be as high as 1 in 2700, depending on sex and age. Myocarditis is a serious problem.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab989/6445179

Where are the data that support mass-vaccination of children, especially now that we know that these vaccines cannot eliminate the virus entirely (because they are too “leaky”)? This policy is being carried along by other forces…maybe bureaucratic inertia, I don’t know.

The vaccines should be available for parents who decide the risk is worth it for their kids (some of whom are much more vulnerable than others), but nobody should be forced to give their kids these incompletely tested treatments. How can we stop the insanity of mass vaccination of children?
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December 5, 2021 8:01am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Adults are afraid.
  
  They’ll do anything to anyone to be a little less afraid.
  
  Don’t give in to fear.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:25am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Fear like
    “ risk of myocarditis/pericarditis in children ”
    “ as high as 1 in 2700”
    “ Myocarditis is a serious problem”
    “ vaccines cannot eliminate the virus entirely”
    “policy is being carried along by other forces”
    “ forced to give their kids”
    “ incompletely tested treatments”
    “ stop the insanity of mass vaccination of children”
    All in the space of 5 short paragraphs. So who did you say is peddling fear porn.
    Nothing like blatant self-contradiction to show the baselessness of an argument.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:36am
    - dcrane
      
      I’ll grant you the last few lines are my emotional opinion. But the first lines are right from the science (and I can give you citations for the statement about the leaky vaccines not being able to eliminate the virus). Do you have more information to offer that would change the conclusion?
      
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      December 5, 2021 12:56pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Show me one medical treatment that is 100% and then you will have got to the starting line.
        
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        December 5, 2021 10:48pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Just watch a recent, Jacinda meet the people, in Whanaganui. No questions possible except by accredited members of the Press Gallery. Nga Puhi had their own concurrent street meeting alongside–tribal war is afoot.
  I haven’ seen Ardern for a while. She really now is at kindy level, mouth gestures and all. That is a Prime Minister?
  
  When govts have gone rogue previously through operating to secret agenda against the people the people have dealt with them. Are we in a similar position now to that the French once were?
  
  We have been stuffed in a box with a powerless Gov General, an Opposition which is not allowed to be reported, a Police Commissioner who is blind to his duties and us expected to take this insult to humanity as though we are already in the foreseen WEF matrix.
  
  Where is the report of the gigantic demo yesterday in Cranmer Square in Christchurch?
  
  Unless Luxon leads now we will have to do so. Join with Seymour and escort Ardern our of govt. If necessary call a halt to Parliament.
  NZ must be salvaged from the treasonous Ardern wreck in conjunction with Mahuta and the WEF.
  Our children will then be safe.
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:59am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    That report here:
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/300470475/hundreds-gather-in-christchurch-to-protest-pandemic-and-govt-controls
    Hidden right inside the “Pravda” or Stuff.com as the non-deluded call it.
    I guess the market, ie 90 %, are failing to give a shit any more, novelty of the circus worn off.
    
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    December 5, 2021 1:18pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It didn’t make to the ODT.
      
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      December 5, 2021 3:35pm
    - dcrane
      
      At least there is an article. Typical of the NZ media, though, it’s done to send the message that the protestors are weirdos. Three pics – one with a guy in one of those weird V masks, a second with a guy with a poster disclaiming Communistic control, and a third of a person with a giant crucified Jesus.
      
      Here in Auckland the longest-lasting article I saw on the Herald website about this weekend’s march consisted of angry social media complaints by a businessman.
      
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      December 5, 2021 4:56pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Walks like a duck, talks like a duck. Are weirdos.
        
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        December 5, 2021 10:49pm
    - bronny1
      
      Hundreds aye. More like 10000.
      
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      December 5, 2021 8:23pm
  - dcrane
    
    I see little hope from National or from Luxon…best he seems willing to do is call for “green for Auckland”, a stance that implicitly accepts most of the government’s covid approach.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:28pm
    - Harriet
      
      Just for now.
      
      Covid control is all that Labour has as everything else with regards to government is out of control.
      
      That’s why Cindy and Dan are keeping covid front and center by mandate and press release while Morrison and NSW do the opposite.
      
      Luxon will speak plain English on the economy.
      
      In both senses of the word.
      
      It’s stability that kiwis are familiar with.
      
      And it serves other purposes as well.
      
      Get off the Covid topic and they have lost all control. Ignore Covid.
      
      Luxon can then get his pen out while they get the wedding piss out.
      
      It’s only photo ops and communications that they have left. 😎
      
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      December 5, 2021 3:08pm
      - dcrane
        
        These people got away with the outrage of the second August lockdown – with NZ facing Delta as if it was March 2020 all over again, and the country no better prepared after 17 months – with hardly a whimper of protest from the media OR National. I certainly hope you’re right but it’s not obvious to me they won’t be able to keep the covid control mantra running in the media. It only needs to last until early 2023 then they can call an early election right?
        
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        December 5, 2021 5:16pm
    - yobi
      
      Sadly the majority of New Zealand believe in the covid scare mongering. If opposition parties go against what the majority believe in, they will still be the opposition in 2023. Currently Christopher Luxons National party is the lesser of two evils.
      
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      December 5, 2021 6:05pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Even more sadly the antivaxxers believe in even more ludicrous scaremongering. I know hard to believe that their basic premise is more scared of the cure than the disease???
        
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        December 5, 2021 10:55pm
- alloytoo
  
  What provisions lurk in our government’s contract with Pfizer regarding pediatric vaccines?
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:33pm
  - dcrane
    
    It’s an unbelievable outrage that the citizens of so many ostensibly democratic nations allow these agreements to be kept secret.
    
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    December 5, 2021 5:18pm
  - bronny1
    
    And treatment drugs!
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:25pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  It’s over when you say it’s over.
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:53pm
Benedict Yu

This person is not acting in the interests of New Zealand. Simply nobody she runs into in other countries will know what she is on about.

https://7news.com.au/politics/foreign-aid/mahutas-nz-foreign-policy-takes-flight-c-4587707

“The time has come to ensure a more inclusive approach to indigenous issues being a feature of foreign policy,” she said.

She named those up, including “manaaki”, or reciprocity, “whanaunga”, or shared humanity, and “kaitiaki”, or caring for future generations.
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December 5, 2021 8:03am
- CJames
  
  I suspect that other countries now just treat New Zealand as a joke. They regard we are just a noisy teenager, humoured but ignored.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:07am
  - MCōs
    
    I know that other countries don’t care about NZ unless they want us to bolster the numbers to put pressure on some perceived foreign threat.
    We of course go along if we think there’s something in it for us.
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:39am
  - fernglas
    
    “suspect” and “now”? Other countries have always seen NZ as a joke. It’s only now that NZers have woken up enough to share the laugh.
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:40am
  - dcrane
    
    Which other countries? This wokeness cult is taking over the governments of even major nations.
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:47am
    - curry4me
      
      dcrane: Yes, alot of them are dominated by the Woking Dead.
      
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      December 5, 2021 11:04am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      WEF partners
      https://www.weforum.org/whitepapers/reimagining-regulation-for-the-age-of-ai-new-zealand-pilot-project
      
      And a NZ pop up:
      https://www.digital.govt.nz/blog/reimagining-regulation-in-the-age-of-artificial-intelligence/
      
      The first says we are pioneering a project with the WEF.
      This has been underway since 2019!
      
      Deceit they name is Ardern.
      
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      December 5, 2021 12:09pm
      - Spoff
        
        “In 2018, the New Zealand government committed to a 2-year programme to investigate the requirements for a new and improved approach to digital identity.”
        https://www.digital.govt.nz/digital-government/programmes-and-projects/digital-identity-programme/digital-identity-system/
        
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        December 5, 2021 12:33pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The AI project is beyond digital identity, ID2020 stuff financed by Gates etc.
        
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        December 5, 2021 3:40pm
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      The US’s foreign policy now seems to consist mostly in spreading diversity, inclusion and LGBTQI ideology. China and Russia are very happy with this state of affairs.
      
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      December 5, 2021 12:21pm
      - dcrane
        
        Well, maybe in some ways. But not all. The US uses woke messaging as part of its color revolutions.
        
        https://www.revolver.news/2021/11/declassified-military-report-exposes-hidden-links-between-wokeness-and-the-regime/
        
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        December 5, 2021 5:20pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Now?
    
    I hate to break it to you but the real world has always seen NZ as an attention-seeking puppy
    
    Nice scenery, nice place to holiday, used to be a nice retirement option… but a serious country? Nah
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:59am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yep, we are close to moving on to the drunk uncle who lives alone and has just made an inappropriate comment about one of the children and someone has been sent to see where his hat and coat is while dialing for a cab.
    
    We are talking ourselves out of the room.
    
    They are not us . . .
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:22am
  - Justitia
    
    Since the nuclear ships ban we have been regarded in the West as just another NGO. I know from first-hand experience the abolition of our air-combat wing by Clark made us a laughing-stock in SE Asia. Mahuta’s ravings build on this rich heritage of Labour’s diplomacy.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:33am
- westernScientest
  
  I dont think any of them meet with her anyway, never opened the airport doors. Have you seen any photos or transcripts or anything from her in the middle east, or even Canada?
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:09am
- cmm
  
  Until the evil white people turned up, the Maori were having lots of discussions with other indigenous folk.
  
  They’d waka over to the Eskimos and Africans and discuss taniwhas etc.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:10am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    They had extensive discussions with the indigenous people of Great Britain. So much so they traded, invited them in and became British subjects.
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:35am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Immigration to NZ wasn’t compulsory Benedict, if you are citizen it doesn’t mean you have to stay here.
    
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    December 5, 2021 9:05am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “if you are citizen…”
      
      What does that mean? ? ? ?
      
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      December 5, 2021 9:10am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Leftwing Friedan slip Ben. Bryan must have seen your surname and put 1 and 1 together and got 37.
        
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        December 5, 2021 9:40am
      - Thought Criminal
        
        You are not a nice person Brian Mcdonald.
        
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        December 5, 2021 10:27am
    - Russ the Muss
      
      Bryser every single human on this little outcrop of islands are immigrants. So if we were kicking people off based on your logic , you would be the first to go champ.
      
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      December 5, 2021 9:25am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      I’d prefer to keep Benedict and send Brian off to North Korea. Or maybe Libya. He’d fit right in.
      
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      December 5, 2021 10:44am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not sure that Brian is able to travel out of NZ.
        
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        December 5, 2021 11:54am
    - Its only I
      
      Is that you twyford?
      
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      December 5, 2021 11:36am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    You can waka off anytime you like cmm, like many other immigrants you just moan and bleat after breaking your frightened arse to get here.
    
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    December 5, 2021 9:07am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Do you understand what will happen to New Zealand if the criminals and welfare folk encourage employers and investors to leave the country?
      
      Anyway why am I bothering to engage with you? What are you even here for? You say stupid things. And your grammar is terrible.
      
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      December 5, 2021 9:13am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        You’re engaging with me to defend why you don’t stop bleating about New Zealanders or even why you are in NZ. I’m here (in NZ) because I was born here. I and many other NZers resist people that come here and moan in fact there are many names attached to such people and their moaning. I’m sorry that I’m not a perfect Asian here to enlighten the masses with disdainful and racist comments. You need to get out more often Benedict and reveal your personality to real people in person I’m sure you’d be welcomed. Try the Marae in Ngaruawahia on the way north or make an appointment to speak to Hone up north.
        
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        December 5, 2021 9:38am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Lol. Brian’s response just sums up 30% of New Zimbabwe.
        
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        December 5, 2021 9:42am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Do you mean this guy? The one that would not let his children marry white people? God knows what he thinks of Chinese people.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/syspages/–headline–.html
        
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        December 5, 2021 9:58am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        A new low Brian, even for you, one step away from Prince Phillip and this slitty eyes comment. Prince Phillip was funny, you are too but in a totally different way . . .
        
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        December 5, 2021 11:27am
    - Harriet
      
      Soft as Socialist Brian.
      
      1) Turning ladies toilets into wellness rooms for the mentally ill.
      
      2) Addicted to Brown Heroin – the very expensive Maori vote.
      
      3) Talks to and treats women like it’s her daughter – a young and clueless child.
      
      4) There’s no quality anywhere behind her face – for 400ft.
      
      It’s all coming down Brian – unstable as.
      
      It’s hardcore time Brian.
      
      Aussie said so. 😎
      
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      December 5, 2021 9:45am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        Powderpuffs at 10 metres Harriet?
        Sorry, not an expert on public toilets. The local one shows a female figure in a dress, with the one next to it showing a male figure. So I guess there are no rooms available for Daphnes/Davids and they are not big enough for a psychiatrist’s couch either.
        Using Aussie public toilets must be like heaven for you.
        
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        December 5, 2021 11:12am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Benedict and people like him are very welcome in NZ IMHO. They add much to the fabric of our society.
      Not like certain other groups.
      
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      December 5, 2021 9:59am
      - jgw739
        
        Most people would rather productive foreigners here then home grown criminals, except for Brian.
        
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        December 5, 2021 10:16am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        @ jgw, Brian knows all about home grown criminals.
        
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        December 5, 2021 2:01pm
      - Media hater
        
        ..and whatever group Brian claims to represent, he is the lowest of the low anyway
        
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        December 5, 2021 2:30pm
      - bronny1
        
        Be nice if we could get rid of a loser who contributes little to society for every Benedict we bring in!
        
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        December 5, 2021 8:29pm
    - Taieri
      
      Brian McDonald
      I’m here (in NZ) because I was born here.
      ———-
      
      You didn’t have much of a choice in this matter then, did you?
      
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      December 5, 2021 8:27pm
  - I remember when
    
    Yes. They had some ‘mere’ interactions.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:01pm
- Harriet
  
  “…..“The time has come to ensure a more inclusive approach to indigenous issues being a feature of foreign policy,”… caring for future generations….”
  
  Won’t be taken seriously by any foreign government —- as if they make deals where the minority who is ‘already questionable’ and is only decreasing, more so exponentially with immigration, should have a BIG say in the future. And where the majority are increasingly against it.
  
  New Zealand Government and it’s Subsidiary. That’s how it is looking at the moment. Racist as. 😎
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:52am
- Yvette
  
  Benedict Yu
  So “manaaki”, or reciprocity, “whanaunga”, or shared humanity, and “kaitiaki”, or caring for future generations are not new concepts, or particularly Maori, but the “caring of ~~future~~ past generations”, as are whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga something that Christ may have espoused, and wise persons eons before him.
  So Mahuta says nothing new that more mature cultures have not known before, except her utterances may seem unique as distinguished in fact by the patterned chin below the mouth from which these wisdoms come. Perhaps, although Maori, she is graced by appearing to be Inuit.
  
  • There is a dichotomy where Labour can laud: values like whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga – the power of being connected to each other, having an ethic of care, respect in the way we progress, and taking care of things for ourselves and our mokopuna [Climate Change Commission Report, 2021] – and, at the same time, proclaim : Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated [Kelvin Davis, 2017] and now … the least vaccinated.
  
  • “There is a battle of two wolves inside each of us. One wolf is evil–it represents anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, lies, inferiority and ego. The other wolf is good–it represents joy, peace, love, hope humility, kindness, empathy and truth. The wolf that wins is the one you feed.” – Cherokee proverb – a nation, which as “indigenous”, may not have a waka hourua Great Migration tradition to escape [homeland] famine, over-population, and warfare
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:05am
  - graham
    
    A very good point. We are constantly told how Maori care for the land and its resources, how they nurture the natural taonga and are connected to the land, how whanau is at the heart of their culture and their ancestors are revered while their tamariki are raised in traditional Maori culture … the implication is that Maori are just so much BETTER than everyone else because of their culture and values and beliefs.
    
    So how is it that in reality, they can’t be bothered to get off the couch and get vaccinated “for the whanau”? Do these much-lauded values not extend that far?
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:03am
  - Its only I
    
    Yvette, I have been reading posts on this site for some time but only just joined a few days ago.
    A bonus for doing so is being able to compliment you on your skill assembling your posts.
    I don’t mean to take anything away from your conversation but the initial visual aspect of your posts is positively dominant.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:49am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Pantheism is very binding for the past and present and rocks, animals, Pleiades as ancestral spirit hangout etc.
    
    Unchristian. Best to keep well clear.
    Undesirable spiritual forces have a much greater presence and power than most are aware of.
    Maori activists are trying to bring these to us.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:22pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  The big question here that our fu$kin useless media need to ask is what does this mean? Cliches, bumper sticker slogans and maori proverbs are just that. Manaaki, equality, sustainable, they are all meaningless. What is Mahuta actually doing different? I’d argue nothing. At least in the open. It’s all feel good rubbish which diplomats accross the world will see as the domestic politics and BS that it is. That class of people rightly have contempt for politicians and no doubt the world of diplomacy continues no matter what that waste of space says in speeches that no one’s listens to.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:29am
- graham
  
  The policy is again based in Maori values …
  
  This is one example of an attitude that is prevalent within the Government, within various local bodies, and perpetuated by the media – that Maori have these “values” and “ideals” which are vastly superior to those of Pakeha or that Pakeha do not have. Much is made of “manaaki” for example – as if non-Maori have no concept of the idea of taking care of people, or showing respect to others.
  
  Unfortunately, the more the media continue to push the idea that Maori values are superior or somehow better to mine, just “because they are Maori”, the more it turns me off them altogether.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:36am
  - Media hater
    
    The Maori values we hear about are just made up in order to hustle a dollar. Probably by whitey academics as much as anybody.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:32pm
- coolas
  
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  Mr Yu.
  Why do you mock Mahuta’s references to tikanga?
  
  Her … “vision of the Pacific is through the prism of Polynesia”, understandably so given constitutional ties to Cook Islands, Nieu and Tokelua, and strong people-to-people links with Tonga and Samoa.
  
  Those countries’ cultures have much more in common with tikanga Māori than a Western worldview.
  
  Seems common sense to me to communicate with our Pacific neighbours in a common language.
  
  I suspect your dismissal of Mahuta has more to do with your beat up of all things Māori, and the fact she’s a woman with moko.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:48am
  - pdm
    
    `I suspect your dismissal of Mahuta has more to do with your beat up of all things Māori, and the fact she’s a woman with moko.’
    
    You could not be further from the truth Coolas. Most of us here probably have many Maori friends as we have gone through life and have great respect for them.
    
    It is the ones pushing a divisive agenda abetted by a few pakeha people who have jumped on a bandwagon because they are agitators and stirrers that we have problems with.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:10am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Hi coolas. It seems to me that you are pretty naive about the workings of Tongan and Samoan socities- or else are being wilfully deceitful. The Samoans and Tongans I know have little time for faux Maori ‘spirituality’ and have far more regard for Western values. Having taught in both cultures I can assure you that overwhelmingly, Samoan and Tongan parents value education, Christian values and the rule of law.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Some have seen the light:
    The Constitution of Samoa says
    “Samoa is Founded on God” Fa’avae ile Atua Samoa.
    That has as its background the Cross of Christ.
    
    Beware these old Polynesian spirit entities.
    Biblicly we co-exist here on Earth with Satan and the massive number of his followers he took with him from Heaven. Every nation has their share of them.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:28pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      Ok
      
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      December 5, 2021 11:02pm
- Leofric
  
  I still don’t get how those high-falutin’ concepts (which sound so much more profound when given maori monikers) relate to Stone Age cannibals busy destroying themselves through internecine warfare; and the environment around them.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:50am
- Paulus
  
  Who is up who I would like to know in English !
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Jacinda has already signed Mahuta up as part of the WEF program for NZ.
  We need a treason trial.
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:01pm
- rjay
  
  Mahuta came back from a foreign trip and was unavailable for meetings because she was “ill”. A foreign minister who can not cope with travel is a concern.
  
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  December 5, 2021 3:20pm
  - sooty
    
    Caught covid overseas and isolating at home.
    
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    December 5, 2021 6:39pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      I’ll probably get this deleted… but she could do with losing some weight. That would help her general health and stamina. And Mods.. I’m not being rude. Just honest!!!
      
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      December 5, 2021 11:23pm
- Fight4NZ
  
  You believe that there are no other countries in the world where colonial power marginalises the indigenous population? Eg Taiwan colonised by Han Chinese.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:58pm
Bridgenag

From the Daily Telegraph……………Well worth reading.
”60,000 SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS SIGN GREAT BARRINGTON DECLARATION AGAINST MASS MRNA JABS One the original co-signers was Dr. Simon Thornley an epidemiologist and biostatistician at the University of Auckland.
The declaration calls for politicians to implement policies that will allow communities to reach herd immunity, which is the point at which the rate of new infections is stable. The drive for mass mRNA vaccination makes achieving herd immunity impossible.”

……and another one not on MSM
“Thousands of protesters have gathered today outside the Governor-General’s Auckland residence on Mountain Road in Epsom.
Protesters are demanding the Governor-General, Dame Cindy Kiro, remove the government from office and call fresh elections. Constitutionally, as the Queen’s representative in New Zealand, Kiro has this power, but by convention it’s never exercised.
At one point the crowd could be heard chanting ‘You serve us!’
The Mountain Road protest has become a daily fixture in Auckland with people gathering from 11am to 1pm each day to protest. Today’s crowd was the biggest yet, as a sea of people filled one of Auckland’s most exclusive streets.”
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December 5, 2021 8:04am
- Alan1930
  
  https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/09/herd-immunity-letter-signed-fake-experts-dr-johnny-bananas-covid
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:39pm
Chuck Bird

For those with premium.

Heather du Plessis-Allan: Tough start for Chris Luxon

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/heather-du-plessis-allan-tough-start-for-chris-luxon/Y2Q4DJJL6WBYV7JIRGMQURWCOA/
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December 5, 2021 8:08am
- gorse
  
  Paywalled
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:16am
- Jade Warrior
  
  It is a tough job, and judging by what’s on the Stuff and NZ Herald websites this morning, it’s not getting any easier – two more dumb anti-Luxon/National cartoons, Tracy Watkins in Stuff takes another pot shot at Luxon’s religious beliefs as well as the fact that he dared take a Mercedes to drive him to Parliament, and more feminist bleating from Alison Mau about Judith Collins.
  
  This must be the only country in the world where the media take the opposition to task for merely doing their jobs.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:20am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Remember all that incessant repetition of the “comrades” video that the MSM dined out on when Ardern took over from Little?
    No, that didn’t get much coverage at all.
    Next change of government they should sell and defund current media and offer Sky Australia and Fox the sweet deals for any government propaganda spending.
    
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    December 5, 2021 10:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      I couldn’t see Jacinda’s Comrades audience, was it the MSM?
      
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      December 5, 2021 11:23am
    - artemisia
      
      No more millions in koha and the currently subsidised media will quietly wither anyway. Media abhors a vacuum and smart media will be quick to scoop up the abandoned advertising revenue.
      
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      December 5, 2021 2:57pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    It’s all good. These idiots have over played their hand and middle NZ can see nd will continue to see what’s happening. I’m enjoying seeing these half assess expose themselves and take away any doubt as to where they all stand. We knew how bias and u derailing they were, and now even lovely Jennifer from Fendalton will be agreeing with her husband that the media are not looking after their interests. This is a good thing, especially this far from the election. I’m enjoying the spectacle and the worse they get, the more unhinged and extreme, the better for Luxon. This Labour govt is declining as we speak. And good riddance, utu will be sweet.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:19am
    - Prince
      
      I agree. People recall the pass given by the self-appointed protector of the me-too movement, Mau, for Labour’s youth camp sex attack scandal and cover-up.
      To have her attack Collins mow just reveals her as Labour first, women a distant last.
      
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      December 5, 2021 1:14pm
  - I remember when
    
    Time to remember the old wrestling saying –
    All publicity is good publicity.
    The only bad publicity is no publicity.
    
    There may be some exceptions in politics, but if it’s not bad news it’s better than no news.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:16pm
  - bronny1
    
    And yet they fail to take the gov to task for NOT doing their jobs!???
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:32pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      True. Govt is a shambles.
      But too many dumbass freak show distractions provided by antivaxxers. If only they would FO, then simple minded media could focus on the failures that come through thick and fast. Luxon would waltz in.
      
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      December 5, 2021 11:14pm
- mandk
  
  Can you share the gist?
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:32am
- dcrane
  
  Or those with the patience to wade through the “View Page Source” text…
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:48am
- pdm
  
  Would like to see the rest of it Chuck – but sh is right with the first sentence.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:14am
Lee C

I suspect we will rightly remain an international joke for as long as we are run by clowns.
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December 5, 2021 8:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Was New Zealand ever taken seriously in international affairs?
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:19am
  - MCōs
    
    Not particularly, but we have little of use to anyone except a number in a column.
    We’re in the middle of nowhere, of no strategy value to anyone.
    Our most well known international personality right now isn’t Lorde, or Ed Hillary, Jacinda Ardern, but Ajaz Patel!
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:20pm
Chuck Bird

It came from the lab and the CCP allowed it to get to the West.

Tucker Carlson: What Really Happened in Wuhan (EXCLUSIVE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U8OcBWI47w
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December 5, 2021 8:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Get to the important news: Did Tucker Carlson really write a letter to support a college application for Hunter Biden’s son?
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:22am
  - virtualmark
    
    Mike, I don’t think that’s what happened.
    
    I understood the emails show that Tucker asked Hunter to write a letter to Georgetown in support of Tucker’s son’s application, the Hunter did write the letter, and that Tucker was very grateful and spoke warmly towards Hunter for helping.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:04am
  - Reid
    
    Yes Mike. That’s much more important than the laptop from hell, isn’t it.
    
    https://www.amazon.com/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-President/dp/163758105X
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:07am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, was Jacinda once a committed socialist? You could dig into heaps of people’s pasts and vomit up the details if it suits you.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:08am
    - bronny1
      
      Once?
      
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      December 5, 2021 8:34pm
- The Other Enoch
  
  The book is well worth the read. It cobbles together information that is out there in the public domain and assembles it in, roughy, chronological order. A Jolly good read. Salient observations:
  * The Aussies lead the world in identifying the possibility of a leak
  * It did come from a lab leak
  * It did originate from CCP/PLA supported experiments
  The USA were funding it and knew all about it
  * The CCP and the USA administration both went to extraordinary lengths to cover it up but both for different reasons
  * There were no pangolins in the Wuhan wet market
  * The WHO is definitely in the thrall of the CCP, as are a number of universities around the world
  * Trump, for all of his faults, was onto the source of the virus very early on in the piece but because it was Trump who identified the source the CCP were able to manipulate the western MSM with ease and turn the narrative against Trump thus shifting the focus away from themselves.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:06am
Yvette

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To be literary – Night gathers, and now my watch begins.
Having apparently re-written the school history curriculum it seems now the next step is being undertaken – getting rid of anything that opposes that re-written curriculum.

Educators say publishers’ books anti-Māori, hateful and untrue
– Te Aniwa Hurihanganui, Māori Affairs Correspondent

Educators have described books by Wellington-based company Tross Publishing as anti-Māori, hateful and untrue.

English literature tutor Brittany Rose was browsing through her local Paper Plus when she stumbled upon a row of books from the company on shelves.

“There were about four or five of them on the shelf together and there was something about the imagery and the wording around particularly the Treaty of Waitangi that raised a few red flags for me, so I looked closer and it was disgusting.”

The books were filled with pages warning of the dangers of a so-called greedy, tribal elite.
And descriptions of Māori as violent savages who were saved by colonisation.

“It just struck me as incredibly insensitive, ill-informed and damaging. It’s potentially harmful to propagate views that are anti-Maori. That’s not at all what we should be having on shelves of our bookstores,” Rose said.
Colonisation devastated Māori, claiming land and lives.
University of Auckland Senior Māori studies lecturer, Dr Daniel Hikuroa, was equally disgusted.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/04/educators-say-publishers-books-anti-maori-hateful-and-untrue/
__________

The Corruption of New Zealand Democracy
A Treaty Industry Overvie – by John Robinson
Published – New Zealand, 1 September 2011

Blurb – Maori society was in disarray in the early nineteenth century. While slavery in the deep south of the USA was terrible, in New Zealand it was brutal, with unexpected death and cannibalism a constant threat. There was mass killing.

In the years following the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, British forces imposed peace, bringing an end to intertribal warfare, torture, slavery and cannibalism. The Maori population steadily recovered from the ravages of the terrible past. That was a great achievement, to be celebrated. The way ahead could then be based on common identity and equality. The outcome for Maori was not catastrophe but demographic recovery. It is shown here that the decrease of population after 1840 was entirely a consequence of the initial abnormal population distribution, with a lack of young and a shortage of women, as well as continuing female infanticide. However, the rewriting of history in support of separatist claims is demanded of ‘scholars’. The repetition of causes for grievance then increases racial tensions while turning attention away from the worsening economic and social conditions of so many ordinary Maori.

This book explores that background and outlines some of the consequences of the insistence on grievance, with a people becoming ever more divided. Racial privileges based on the accidents of history are now part of New Zealand law and are dividing a nation that was built on the worthy aspiration of one law for all . The continuing division of the land and writing of new law in back room deals, from which the public are excluded (as described here), is corrupting our once proud democracy.
__________

On May 10, 1933, university students burn upwards of 25,000 “un-German” books in Berlin’s Opera Square. Some 40,000 people gather to hear Joseph Goebbels deliver a fiery [sic] address: “No to decadence and moral corruption!”
As part of an effort to align German arts and culture with Nazi ideas (Gleichschaltung), university students in college towns across Germany burned thousands of books they considered to be “un-German,” heralding an era of state censorship and cultural control.

The photo accompanying the 1 News article shows about six books – so is above comments a little over-stated?
Some Germans in 1933 probably though the same …
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December 5, 2021 8:12am
- oldfella
  
  Yvette, I think local libraries should immediately pull any books by John Robinson – or similar hateful authors – off their shelves, and burn all copies. Along with those offensive Dr Seuss titles, and all the Harry Potter books because J.K. Rowling is a hateful TERF (a feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women’s rights).
  Yep, we could have quite a bonfire just from those books alone.
  (Do I need to add //s?)
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You forgot Enid Blyton’s books…
    and Herge’s Tintin books
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/15/tintin-racism-sweden-row
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:02pm
Benedict Yu

I have been reporting that my “vaccine pass” keeps disappearing from my phone. I gave up.

My partner assured me that it was just me. ?. This morning she says “Damn it, my pass has disappeared”.

Seriously everything this government touches turns to crap. They set the pass up to be integrated (in Android phones) with Google Pay. It is a digital wallet. I don’t use it. And I am damn sure that Aunty in Ahipara doesn’t use it.

The damn thing should have been a stable, stand alone and tested app.

Maybe Google Pay is like “WTF is this? DELETE.”
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December 5, 2021 8:13am
- Nickc2
  
  Save it as wallpaper. That works for me.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:18am
- westernScientest
  
  haha maybe it breaches some of googles data sharing standards or something. If you really want to use it, print it out, or go to a pharmacy and have them print it out for you.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:21am
- Mike H S
  
  It has happened twice to me and my wife as well. Eventually got it back but more time wasted.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:21am
- septic skeptic
  
  Same problem here.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:23am
  - oldfella
    
    Same problem for me. Maybe they were so convinced they could eliminate the virus, they tried the same thing with the passport.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:04am
- MarkF
  
  Mine too BY 3 times now. Thought it was because I hadn’t installed Google Pay, but the home screen icon keeps disappearing. Still in Google Pay but not on home screen. Just take a screenshot of the pass and save that a lot less hassle.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes that’s what I did. But don’t assume that all folk know how to do that.
    
    It is just not good enough.
    
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    December 5, 2021 9:17am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Stamp your feet, Benedict, it works in the kindergartens.
      
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      December 5, 2021 11:15am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Don’t shoot the messenger ?
        
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        December 5, 2021 11:32am
      - sooty
        
        What do you expect,Twyford and his mates designed it!
        
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        December 5, 2021 6:44pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Come on Brian, this really is a fail. Disappeared from my wife’s iPhone too.
        
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        December 5, 2021 11:26pm
  - Leofric
    
    I gave up and made a screenshot which is attached to my Home screen as a note. Or, at least my kids did it for me. If I required assistance from tech savvy teens, I imagine Aunty in Ahipara is going to get a little frustrated.
    
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    December 5, 2021 9:53am
- john
  
  She has screen saved it for me into my phone gallery. Now a simple process of producing it after similar issues yesterday.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:01am
- Spoff
  
  Probably synchronised with your protection.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:40am
- Spam
  
  My parent’s are stressed because they can’t get it on their phone. They flew before the new system came into force, and are now worried they won’t be allowed on the plane home without the pass.
  
  They open the .PDF and it opens in word on their table, which for whatever reason doesn’t render the .PDF properly and it comes up with the name, DOB and QR code sections all blank.
  
  They actually upgraded their phone specifically to get this stupid pass, and can’t get it to work. They asked for a hard copy before they left, but it didn’t arrive in time.
  
  Pretty difficult for me to help them via email & text when they’re not particularly tech savvy.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:16am
- BananaLlama
  
  Seriously everything this government touches turns to crap
  
  Reverse midas touch.
  The whole thing should be very simple using a QR code and asking the vendor to authenticate, it wouldn’t need much testing and should run well enough. Maybe someone messed up the signing certificates?
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:46am
- virtualmark
  
  Is this just an Android problem? The Apple wallet has been reliable.
  
  (Ducks).
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:07am
- Alan1930
  
  You should have done it right the first time by buying an iPhone.
  
  Zero issues with mine.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:45pm
kowtow

The Media Pardy making a huge deal of the freedom marchers ruining Christmas and the big shopping day , funny how they’re responsible for such ruination but the Media’s Darling Ardern and her gurnermunters are not held to the same level of odium for much greater nationwide , generational ruination.
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December 5, 2021 8:16am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  It’s a little like building a poorly constructed dam, and then blaming the ensuing damage solely on the escaping wall of water.
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:35pm
krazykiwi

Keep an eye out for media dismissal of increased cardiac related illness and death. I’ve been alerted to two so far. Apparently these increases are down to Post Pandemic Stress Disorder (ffs), or cold weather (riiiight). Cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra seem to think not.
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December 5, 2021 8:19am
- dcrane
  
  Yes Steve Kirsch flagged this yesterday from the UK press:
  
  “Up to 300,000 people facing heart-related illnesses due to post-pandemic stress disorder, warn physicians”
  
  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/post-pandemic-stress-disorder-heart-conditions-covid-london-physicians-b969436.html
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:50am
- R
  
  A very sad tribute to someone who didn’t want to be vaccinated.
  
  https://www.harveyfuneral.com/obituary/jessica-wilson
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:58am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    https://youtu.be/2XvZHNt27PM
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:44pm
- Scott
  
  As I posted on Thursday, my 21 year old son was sick in bed, feeling terrible after the second shot of the vaccine on Tuesday. He was a little better on Friday and much better on Saturday and today he is drumming in the church worship band.
  
  But I was really worried about him. If a healthy 21 year old gets Covid it usually is nothing much at all. But he had to have the vaccine to participate in New Zealand society and have any sort of normal life. I don’t think that’s right?
  
  We shouldn’t be forced to have a vaccine that when we are 21 we don’t even need.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:19am
  - dcrane
    
    And to make things worse, world trends suggest we’ll be required to do this to ourselves at least every six months! It’s heading for every 3 months in the UK.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:58pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      No one is going to force me to have it. Some of my family members are quietly trying to give me a hard time about it, but NO.
      If they keep it up, they will have a solid lecture from a very pissed off Don. 🙂
      
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      December 5, 2021 5:53pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Typical of a KK link when googled, the dear Dr is described as a quack with 30 day plans to lose weight – send your money now.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:49am
  - Harriet
    
    The dear Drug Dealer is described as a quack with 30 day plans to lose drug addiction – sent your tax money in.
    
    Regards, JA.
    
    Loser. 😎
    
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    December 5, 2021 9:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I suggest you critique the evidence.
    
    I doubt you have devoted 100 hours to reading the emerging evidence about adverse cardiac events. It is an uncommon but very serious about adverse event.
    
    If you can provide a cited critique I would be happy to read it.
    
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    December 5, 2021 10:01am
    - Mike
      
      I suppose it is possible that the crank doctor has some valid data and observations, Benedict. Seeing you seem to wanr to admit that possibility, perhaps you could put in the 100 hours and report back.
      
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      December 5, 2021 10:42am
  - dcrane
    
    Google’s algos appear heavily weighted to show you sites with establishment narratives, including on source credibility. Wikipedia is a joke now when the topic is an issue or person involved in a sensitive narrative. Try adding anything to a page pertaining to, say, the OPCW chemical weapons whistleblower scandal, and a busybody named “Philip Cross” who is active 16 hours a day, every day, will begin reverting your edits immediately. Even a peripheral figure like Jimmy Dore, a mere comedian who often presents populist-left takes, finds that he can’t add positive facts about his own history, let alone remove smears and distortions, from his Wikipedia entry. We should not trust what is found on those sites.
    
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    December 5, 2021 10:46am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Anyone who deviates even slightly from the accepted political narrative is “far-right” according to the people whose time is spent curating Wikipedia pages for propaganda purposes.
      
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      December 5, 2021 12:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  After both jabs I had chest pain. Hosp 3 times, 2nd time diagnosed with pneumonia. However, the pain is not where the xray shows the congestion, it is on the other side. No myocarditis/pericarditis. No heart issues.
  So is the pain caused by the two vaccines? Doctors said no, but did not rule it out. Read between the lines. My left arm is still sore after the 1st vax on Oct 6th. 2nd vax site is fine. I would like the truth.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:50am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Don’t worry Steve, your symptoms are just a conspiracy theory. Move along.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You forgot the ///
      Tell me when you get unexplained chest pain, and who is doing the explaining.
      I like my job too ……..
      
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      December 5, 2021 3:04pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        I have had arm pain in the jab arm now lasting well over a month. And also had very minor heart palpitations and joint pain in hips. Doctor said yeah some weird things happen. Get second jab.
        Anyways. I don’t want to die being shot in my driveway an end up a covid death statistic so yeah maybe i should get it to protect me.
        
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        December 5, 2021 5:09pm
- Alan1930
  
  My guess is that a few read the rubbish you post and died laughing.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:46pm
Nickc2

DON’T MENTION THE CRICKET
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December 5, 2021 8:21am
- RalphT
  
  Cricket, what cricket?
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:33am
- Paulus
  
  Except the Bowling – by an Indian born superb bowl.
  The Indians will want to repatriate him.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:38am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’ll pay that!
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:03am
- Mike
  
  I mentioned the cricket, but I think I got away with it.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    +1 for the Faulty Towers (Visiting Germans) episode.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:52pm
Maggie Pie

Royal College of Midwives considers changing the word ‘mother’ to ‘Post-Natal Person’ after calls from vocal minority of transgenders to rewrite the law.
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December 5, 2021 8:22am
- [email protected]
  
  Wrong link or deleted.
  
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  December 5, 2021 8:31am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Here we go….lets try this one 😀
    
    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/03/tide-finally-turning-radical-trans-activism/
    
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    December 5, 2021 10:47am
G152

Saw some ivory tower pundit screaming about a set of books on sale.
Beware,
The cult of book burning still exists.
We have freedom of expression just so long as those who lord it over us agree with that expression.
And if they REALLY want to ban racist material the answer lies within
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December 5, 2021 8:24am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Twitter bezzie Prof Anne-Marie Brady, prepared to call out the Ardern government for their close links to the CCP…… labelling it as SHAMEFUL!!

https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1466983101855191042

Would be interesting to hear the Member-for-Botany’s stance on this same topic.
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December 5, 2021 8:40am
- Leofric
  
  But… but… I thought it was John Key’s government that was deep in the sack with Friend Xi. Have I not been keeping up?
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:54am
- Harriet
  
  Yep it is shameful as NZ is conflating half it’s economy with one single sporting matter – tennis, and one individual.
  
  That’s not a moral position – it’s trading in human misery.
  
  It’s a rules based order — trade is trade, human rights are human rights. And it is human rights that have unquestionable precedence.
  
  NZ with Chinese Characteristics; Selling people out. 😎
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:13am
Souvlaki

Sensible article from Damien Grant, as usual. Come on Paula…reconsider!?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300469483/auckland-needs-a-new-mayor–and-you-may-know-just-the-person?cid=app-android
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December 5, 2021 8:45am
- Mike H S
  
  Well you have got Leo Molloy running already so the last thing we should do is split the right vote. IMHO Leo Molloy will stir things up far more that Paula B.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:00am
- Colville
  
  Having Paula up against Leo Molloy would mean they both lose.
  
  Having Leo as Mayor would be entertaining!!
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner frequents Leo’s bar…reckons he’s one ‘Magic Dude’….and would be great for Auckland if he was elected.
    
    We’ve never forgotten when he was on with HDPA last year and told Heather something to the effect of…..
    
    “His establishment attracted a clientele that knew how to act in a civilised fashion. We’re not talking about a subterranean gay bar on K Rd where people swap DNA in the middle of the night”
    
    LOL!!!
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:03am
- Ruahine
  
  Mayor has one vote. Auckland needs a different set of Councillors. It wont happen. We have a ward system.
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Serial troughers – have been for years
    
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    December 5, 2021 10:52am
  - Steve Todd
    
    […]. It wont happen. We have a ward system.
    
    And FPP.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:51am
- Cassandra
  
  Hear hear. Run, Paula, run!
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:59am
- Paulus
  
  Problem with Auckland Council is that the majority of Councillors are real Labour lefties and the Mayor only has one vote.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:40am
  - Steve Todd
    
    No, the problem with Auckland Council is that the councillors are elected by FPP in one- and two-seat wards.
    
    In other words, the Auckland Council is more or less in a state of ‘electoral stasis’, being a condition that can arise when an electorate cannot realistically change its political composition, regardless of the swing occurring in a (triennial) general election.
    
    Were the 20 councillors to be elected by STV in three wards (1 x 6; 2 x 7), electors would have a far greater chance of changing both the composition of council and the political persuasion of the dominant group on council.
    
    Unfortunately, not only does the Act setting up the Auckland Council need to be changed, to allow councillors to switch to STV, but a majority of the councillors themselves need to want to change the system by which they are elected (or have change imposed upon them by the People, in an electoral systems poll).
    
    Conclusion: even with a Labour government and a majority “lefty” council, change, if it happens, is still a long way off.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:26pm
Opie

Seems the majority of golf courses are requiring vaccine passes, even to play – can understand the clubhouse requiring as its basically a pub (not that I agree but in terms of compliance with current law). But cant understand what risk is posed by being outside in the wind and sun!

It’s not a government requirement or even a golf nz requirement, most clubs have chosen to enforce it to keep members and staff safe.

They look at me like I have 2 heads when I ask if that means you will also need a booster at 3 months and then 3 monthly after that…

Can I play if I prove a negative test? Nope. Why not i ask? Cause you could still catch or transmit it. But I dont have it see – heres my negative test, so are you saying vaccinated members might have it and pass it on to me? Why do you allow them to play then and not me, the only person with a negative test! None of this is about keeping people safe.

A nation paralyzed by fear of something made out to be something it’s not.

What’s the end game?
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December 5, 2021 8:50am
- dcrane
  
  The end game is freedoms allotted and denied by smartphone pass, mediated by fully digital currency.
  
  Doesn’t matter if there’s a global cabal directing this or not. The opportunity is here, and it will be exploited because billionaires and governments have so much to gain from it.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:51am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My local golf club is not a viable stand alone business. It is solely dependent upon the services of a huge number of unpaid volunteers, who all assist the 2.1 full time equivalent paid workers, and make it a great place.
  BUT, the mindless rules about Covid-19 are having severe effects upon the willingness and enthusiasm of that army of unpaid volunteers.
  It is essential that the mindless rules are revised so as to secure the future of a great sporting and social club.
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:55am
  - tedbear
    
    I see some golf clubs won’t allow the unvaccinated inside the clubhouse and using toilets, and some won’t even allow the unvaccinated on the course at all.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:30pm
  - bronny1
    
    I think you will find that whoever runs the club has decided the rules. Like my mums bowling club that she has now resigned from.
    
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    December 5, 2021 8:42pm
- Inandout
  
  Opie, ever thought of changing hobbies?
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:17am
- Local Miller
  
  It’s a crazy world. My son, not vaccinated, stays with two of his siblings and a friend, all vaccinated. He asked how they felt about him having some friends around for board games, some of whom may be unvaxed. 2 out of 3 said no unvaxed people in the house! Which is totally weird since one flatmate is unvaxed, and they come visit us, both unvaxed. And the other 3 are supposedly “protected”.
  He now feels unwelcome in his own house and we certainly don’t feel welcome at our kid’s houses. It’s getting so I’m thinking of telling them: No vaxed people in my house as they pose too high a risk on my wife and I.
  People have become so full of fear they are now unrational.
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:52am
  - jgw739
    
    Narrative: unvaxxed people pose a health threat to vaxxed people
    
    Reality: the opposite
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:15pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Wait till you discover the probable truth the unvaxxed are less dangerous then the vaxxed or nasal tested.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:57pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      How do we know if covid is dangerous. We have 44 deaths in NZ. The definition the MOH now has on their website is the WHO definition: ” Deceased = Includes all cases that died who were classified as an active case of COVID-19 at the time of death. In some of these cases, the underlying cause of death may have been unrelated to COVID-19.” So how many of the 44 deaths was covid even a partial cause of the death. We know one man was shot in his driveway and the tested him for covid after the fact and he was a covid death. . And why are we told that we can’t talk about the 91 vaccine deaths without a disclaimer saying it might not be the primary cause, but for over a year we were lead to believe that a covid death meant they died of covid. Hospitalisations are measured the same way. If you are in for something else and are unsymptomatic and they find covid you are a covid hospitalisation.
      
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      December 5, 2021 5:31pm
  - Scooter
    
    Do it. We need to stand up to these idiotic rules.
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:20am
- Alan1930
  
  The more who require vaccine passes the better.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Why?
    There’s no health reason why.
    
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    December 5, 2021 3:06pm
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s not them it’s the law – they are classified as a hospitality venue including the course itself – if they don’t the police/MOH can shut them down.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:44pm
  - Opie
    
    It’s not the law. Golf nz have specifically stated its not required on the course.
    
    Clubhouse yes.
    
    Any golf course preventing you access has chosen to do so.
    
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    December 5, 2021 5:52pm
Truman lodge

When Helen Clark signed the free trade deal with China to her credit she refused china wanting an EU open borders with Nz with free movement between both countries with work rights.

How would that have gone if that was in the trade deal. Would Nz have a resident population of 80 million by now. China wanted to supply 250,000 tradesmen at the time.
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December 5, 2021 8:56am
Nukuleka

Guards were stationed outside my church this morning to ensure that the unclean didn’t enter the scared space reserved only for the clean. Disgraceful that the Catholic Bishops and clergy have allowed themselves to become agents of the the State.
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December 5, 2021 9:02am
- Nukuleka
  
  Oops- interesting typing slip up in my post, but maybe ‘scared and ‘sacred’ are both appropriate!
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No slip up
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:09am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Nuku: Scarred would have worked too!!!
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:48pm
- KiwiSapper
  
  “Guards were stationed outside my church this morning to ensure that the unclean didn’t enter..”
  
  Yet another allocation of ” thirty pieces of silver ? “
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:58am
- kglm
  
  Would Jesus have turned away the unvaccinated?
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Of course not:
    Matthew 8: 1-3
    
    When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
    
    2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
    
    3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:09pm
    - Inandout
      
      Which brings us the point…is another Jesus forthcoming? There is great hole left by Christianity’s departure from ‘the message’, and this vacuum has been filled by climatists and covid terrorists. There was a time most of us dismissed churchgoers as a minor group who in the main were harmless and ridiculed at length by the likes of the BBC. As Soviet Europe showed us, Christianity can be smothered but the embers remain smouldering in the little groups. I never thought I would say this but I am convinced there is such a thing as evil intent.
      
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      December 5, 2021 1:59pm
  - Scooter
    
    No and San Francesco di Assisi cared for lepers.
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:22am
- cmm
  
  How things have changed.
  
  Not that long ago, Mother Teresa, Mother Marianne Cope and others were revered and cononised for their work with lepers, people with AIDS etc.
  
  The church has revered those those that were compassionate and looked after the underdog. Worldwide, millions of Catholic kids are fed a stream of being kind and reading little Saints’ books about those that have looked after others often risking their lives.
  
  Now the church places guards outside and capitulates to the state.
  
  How the mightly have fallen!
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:49pm
- Liberty
  
  We are doomed.
  The church is in bed with the devil.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:22pm
  - sooty
    
    Is Ja inda Ardern the devil incantate?
    
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    December 5, 2021 7:01pm
- Alan1930
  
  Nothing to do with “clean” and “unclean”.
  
  Everything to do with high-risk individuals vs low-risk individuals.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:51pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I agree. If you are over 70, have some health issues or are a real fatty, then you have high risk.
    The rest, not so much.
    In fact, the rest have quite low risk.
    Which makes a nonsense of these rules from what is a nonsense govt.
    I mean only really stupid people think this system actually works
    lol
    
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    December 5, 2021 3:04pm
Random T Person

I see Hone is protecting northland from the unvaccinated
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December 5, 2021 9:10am
- graham
  
  But who will protect us from Hone and his band of merry thugs?
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:47am
Frank the tank

[Deleted – obvious reasons. mod.]
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December 5, 2021 9:12am
Frank the tank

Is WokeCoster the worst bureaucrat ever in NZ’s history?

I challenge anyone to identify a worse one.
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December 5, 2021 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My comment was deleted. If I repeat it, mods will spit the dummy.
  My comment was correct.
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:56pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    I feel your pain. Someone is particularly salty today for some reason.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:45pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  I always thought Bruce Ferguson (CDF in the early 2000s) was the worst I had seen, but willingly concede that Coster-Rica is worse. Much worse.
  
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  December 5, 2021 3:52pm
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/south-african-government-medical-adviser-reveals-how-omicron-is-hitting-under-5s/QZFUERNNSJRLK3YF4INL2D3MUM/

Trying hard with the scare porn. I suspect this has something to do with the general health of under 5’s in shantytowns. Played golf with a saffer yesterday who won indicated it is basically a cold and been treated as such in South Africa.
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December 5, 2021 9:21am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  If you don’t understand the perils of shanty towns and the spread of disease then playing golf and jawing off won’t make any difference. 3 million cases and 89,000 deaths are some cold.
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:27am
  - I remember when
    
    Yes and only 2,245 of them since the 1st October, 2021.
    
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    December 5, 2021 12:40pm
  - cmm
    
    Brian. Please tell us how often you have visited a shanty town in South Africa and how many of the inhabitants you have spoken with.
    
    It is very common for African kids to have snot running down their faces no matter the season – especially in shanty towns and in rural areas due to both sickness and smoke from wood fires.
    
    The more formal housing that has electricity is far better. So too are those with better nutrition.
    
    CV19 hardly registers on the scale of things that most people in South Africa care about:
    * They have far bigger things to worry about, like almost 50% unemployment (over 50% if you exclude Cape Town).
    * They worry about things like food due to massive inflation.
    * Their electricity supply is shot – causing a death spiral in the economy.
    * Crime is ridiculous with robbery, assault, murder and rape being rife. Over 50% of women in SA have been raped at least once.
    * AIDS, TB and malaria are far worse killers than CV19.
    
    People just do not have time to worry about something as trivial as CV19.
    
    Most of those 89,000 “deaths” have been old people with comorbidities.
    
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    December 5, 2021 1:01pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    So 89,000 have died of the Omishambles variant Brian?
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:46pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Isn’t it amazing how, just when our controllers want to implement another policy x, a purported justification for policy x presents itself, right on schedule. Miraculous, really.
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:52pm
Maggie Pie

Is this the worst case of SFNS ?

Parents unable to decide between Colin and David so call baby….. COVID.

https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/1467226002342490114
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December 5, 2021 9:40am
- Frank the tank
  
  The new Adolf? Watch this to be “banned”
  
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  December 5, 2021 9:44am
maggiemay

Commentators are wondering why Chris Luxton took the 200m trip to Beehive via Merc.
A picture paints a thousand words.
Hilarious. He got one over the media from the outset. I would post the photo of the media scrambling after the car but can’t figure out how. It’s in Tracy Watkins stuff opinion piece.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300470563/nats-leadership-is-luxon-a-game-changer
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December 5, 2021 9:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who the Hell is Chris Luxton? Is he related to John Keys and Mike Hoskins?
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:53am
judith8409121

Interesting discussion from Professor Mattias Desmet discussing how strange mass formation is when a society gets so fixated by a single thought – thoughtful and considerate discussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRo-ieBEw-8
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December 5, 2021 9:56am
- judith8409121
  
  and if you think they are talking hyperbole maybe have a look at where germany is going
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=750ASXEo4X8
  
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  December 5, 2021 10:02am
tedbear

@Brian McDonald 9.38am
As you were born in NZ, you’re equally as indigenous as anyone else born here. No matter the colour of your skin or the language you prefer.
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December 5, 2021 9:59am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I totally agree with you tedbear and have never said otherwise.
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:45am
In Vino Veritas

Labour MP David Parker, appearing with Bishop on The AM Show, said there was “nothing wrong in a moral sense” with Luxon owning seven homes, “but it does show that you know, some people are pretty privileged”.
David Parker, there’s nothing wrong with it in a moral sense, but morally its wrong. The politics of envy which we all knew were going to happen didn’t take very long to appear. I guess the difference between Luxon and Parker is that Luxon was and is successful financially. And at 60 odd, Parker….. not so much. Poor old Parks. Have a sook why don’t you mate?
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December 5, 2021 10:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some folks are very privileged..
  
  But why is the media getting uptight with someone owning a few houses in NZ?
  
  Heck, we’ve got a sometime resident in Gizzy who bought a New York Apartment for US$ 77.1 Million.
  
  https://www.afr.com/property/residential/hedge-fund-founder-buys-new-york-city-s-most-expensive-townhouse-20190610-p51w37
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:16am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Parksy is just bitter that he hitched himself to the wrong horse. The morally bankrupt and financially bankrupt ideology. The if we can’t make it, we’ll make it so you can’t. Though laughably, I get way more wealthy under Labour Governments than I do under a National ones. Go figure that. And of course, the bottom end gets more miserable and poor under Labour Governments, and then votes them back in so they can be given a bloody good walloping of more of the same. But hey-ho. As Forrest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does.
    
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    December 5, 2021 1:03pm
- Prince
  
  There’s quite a bit morally wrong with what Parker has done in the past.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:21pm
lifesgood

Have just driven around Auckland’s waterfront and had the misfortune to get behind a car doing 20ks the whole way. I couldn’t pass due to opposing traffic. The car was painted red and black and had maori tribal names around the number plate with a maori word as the number plate. There was a very long stream of traffic behind me. I got the distinct impression this car was doing it deliberately to teach arrogant whitey a lesson. All this giving in to THEIR arrogance is not going to end well. Sheeesh!
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December 5, 2021 10:31am
- Colville
  
  *555 is your friend.
  
  “the car in front of me is weaving all over the place and driving very very slow…*
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not sure that’s such a good idea. One of the girls at tennis potted a couple of hoons on *555 once. Next thing you know, her fence is graffitied with…. ‘this is maori land’.
    Cost her over 4 hundy to have it removed. But it was just more the embarrasment factor!
    
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    December 5, 2021 1:20pm
Yvette

2 – call to remove unpopular history authors from bookshops

He Puapua; Blueprint For Breaking Up New Zealand by John Robinson
Blurb –
A series of reports, by United Nations and Government agencies, have set down a path to the division by race of New Zealand. The recent He Puapua report is a warning of a ‘breaking wave’ revolution, a complete transformation to a government divided between a tribal elite and a subservient majority.

… [abridged. mod.]

Instead of nipping this nation-destroying Report in the bud by rejecting it outright and withdrawing from the Declaration, the Labour government of Jacinda Ardern is proceeding, sometimes by diktat, sometimes with fake ‘consultations’, to implement it. This is a threat to the rights and liberties of all other New Zealanders who need to understand the full implications of the Report – something that this book helps to explain.
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/he_puapua_blueprint_for_breaking_up_new_zealand_by_john_robinson
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The quiescence of New Zealanders to accept the false nostrum of Maori cultural ‘superiority’ as a panacea for globalist egalitarianism is to me astounding. The left utilise identity politics to ‘shame’ European New Zealanders into accepting the continual Treaty of Waitangi handouts and it is actually initiating tribalism and, possibly in the future, civil unrest between all other New Zealanders and Māori; not to mention between Māori tribes and Māori societal classes. – random
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Thinks: “This is an invitation to you. Learn our histories, listen to our stories, honour our knowledge and get in line or get out of the way,” Māori climate activist India Logan-Riley, at the opening of the UN Climate Summit in Glasgow representing indigenous communities.

Thinks further: But, once the myth of the Innocent But Supremely Knowledgable Savages is accepted, what is the next step of the Ardernian Agenda?
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December 5, 2021 10:40am
Fletch

Got an email from PBTech. They aren’t going to let the unvaxxed in their stores from December 6th… ?
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December 5, 2021 10:49am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I have spent plenty with them over the years and that stops today. While I am vaccinated (now) I won’t support a business that for unnecessary reasons chooses to segregate it’s customers.
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:31am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Charm: Ditto and have told them so.
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:56pm
- mandk
  
  PB Tech has nothing unique.
  
  Go woke, go broke.
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:33am
- NoFax
  
  I just emailed them back saying I won’t be shopping with them. If 20% do the same then they will feel it and change their minds.
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:37pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why should we deal with a business that appears to employee only Chinese ethnic staff? The store feels distinctly foreign.
  My experience of Chinese merchants has been (caveat emptor)squared. I bought $1m of parts one year from the same supplier and was ripped off by the supply of motherboards having fake buffer ram chips–neatly soldered and labelled but pure plastic throughout.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:11pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Kev: Try getting a resolution when there’s a problem that is caused at their end. Crickets….
    
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    December 5, 2021 11:57pm
- H. Upmann
  
  I got that email too. Now unsubscribed. No more $$$ from me.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:19pm
  - artemisia
    
    Also unsubscribed. Even though could buy online.
    
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    December 5, 2021 4:13pm
- Alan1930
  
  Excellent. Another responsible business added to an ever-increasing long list.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:55pm
  - mawm
    
    On re reading there is no sarcasm there. Undo 1 up tick.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:56pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You do realise that Vaxxed people can catch and spread Covid right?
    Unless you’re a Science Denier- oh wait.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:58pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      It’s hard for a 91 year old dotard to ‘realise’ anything these days ?
      
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      December 5, 2021 3:14pm
lazza

Luxon’s big! challenge tomorrow.

Lets hope among the devious back stabbing majority of 33 there are enough adults in the room.

A nest of vipers needs an aggressive mongoose in charge. That’s MON- goose … not merely just the GOOSE bit … OK?
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December 5, 2021 10:54am
waikatosinger

This covid ID system – where did they get the software from to run it? In my experience most government attempts to set up large computer systems from scratch take a long time and usually run over cost. So they must have bought this system as a turn key operation from somewhere. WHERE DID THEY GET IT. Is it the same software that runs the Chinese social credit system?

Helen Clark has been banging around at the UN where they dream of totalitarian world government. What has she been whispering in Jacinda’s ear?
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December 5, 2021 11:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She has been whispering ‘go hard, go fast, go early, go strong’ You don’t have to do it, just keep saying it and the brainwashed will believe
  
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  December 5, 2021 11:17am
- cmm
  
  It really doesn’t take that long to set up something like the Covid Id system.
  
  There are really three parts to it:
  * Set up the web interface: Boringly simple. Tens of thousands of people in NZ could do that in an afternoon.
  * PDF generator to generate the certificate: Again, boringly simple stuff: make a library call to sign the contents and then another library call to generate the QR code, then fewq more library calls to compose and generate the PDF.
  * Interface with the database to verify that the person has got their jabs. That’s probably the most complex part but is probably just two or three SQL database calls.
  
  Someone who knows what to do could do this all in a day.
  
  Ditto for the App.
  
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  December 5, 2021 12:23pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  WEF connections?
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:12pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNssixyocQI
Millions March – Wellington.

My name is Lewi from New Zealand and I’m a Kiwi Ubuntu Omnist Polyglot blogger with a grand heritage who has a different spin on life. I love to engage with anyone, anywhere at anytime! Because life’s too short to know one language and talk to the same people everyday. I stay hungry and humble grasping languages, countries, and connections with all beings possible. Including learning about the cultures, histories, travelling and especially trying ANY different cuisines! [7:54. I guess millions is a slight exaggeration.]
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December 5, 2021 11:06am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ6yZN4TNss

Melbourne Protests LIVE with Aussie Cossack.

It looks like there were one or two protestors in Melbourne recently. I’m sure you all saw it on Pravda 1 ‘ewes’/sarc. [4:31]
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December 5, 2021 11:06am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhxkSowZi2k

Melbourne protest Live.

This is another video of the Melbourne protest. It was extensively covered by the MSM/sarc [4:43]
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December 5, 2021 11:07am
Maggie Pie

Seriously thinking of accepting a part-time position with an Abortion Clinic.

I kid you not.
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December 5, 2021 11:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Don’t you like children?
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:29pm
- Alan1930
  
  “Kid you not” is generally the idea of abortion clinics …
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:59pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Keep going- you’ve almost realised the joke..
    So funny
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:56pm
Inandout

My 15 yr old granddaughter thinks this whole covid stuff is meaningless and changes like the wind. Bless her, a new generation in the making.
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December 5, 2021 11:22am
- Alan1930
  
  I wonder if she’ll think differently when her unvaccinated grandparent dies a slow and painful death from the disease?
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:01pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Probably just the same if they died of cancer.
    And who said I and O was not vaxxed?
    And what will she think if NOTHING happens to Grandad- which is also highly likely.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:55pm
  - cmm
    
    Alan you are being a twat.
    
    My double vaccinated mother died with CV19 choking up both her lungs.
    
    If the vaccine is such a bloody miracle then explain that!
    
    Somehow the narrative is very distorted:
    * Unvaccinated person dies with CV19: Tut, tut, tut, they should have been vaccinated. I bet they’re sorry now.
    * Vaccinated person dies: It isn’t perfect…
    
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    December 5, 2021 3:03pm
  - Inandout
    
    A19, I have heard first hand more than my share of people dying slow and painful deaths with cancer. You sad covid obsessed people make me sick. There is a continually looped ad on the radio urging ‘vaccine hesitant’ people to phone (7 days a week), to put their mind at rest apparently. Maybe there should be a help line for ‘vaccine obsessed’ people because it must eat at your mental stability.
    
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    December 5, 2021 5:37pm
CAKE FACE1

It is time for the Sunday sermon of CAKEFACE.

I briefly saw a Green MP being interviewed on TV, but I had to turn the sound off. This party scored 10.5% in the latest opinion poll. How? Other countries don’t have such ignorant people in their Parliament. This was followed with an interview with the Maori Party lady, but fortunately I still had the sound off.

Parliament should contain the best and brightest in the country. We have a collection of clowns, buffoons and simpletons. How did it come to this?

If you look at the US, the Democrats are about as right wing as the National Party here (maybe more so than National under Mr Luxon). Similarly, Blair and Brown (the only UK Labour Party politicians to win since the 1970s) were pretty much in the centre-right, being difficult to distinguish from Cameron, May and Johnson.

When you look across Europe, socialist parties virtually never get elected. Socialists have been shunned since the 1970s, to the point near complete oblivion. For example, in Germany, it feels like Merkel and her centre-right CDU have been in power forever…

Most of the time, almost all of the countries in Europe elect centre-right governments. If a supposed socialist government is elected (which is very, very rare), they end up being a centralist government, or their government is short-lived (it collapses in one term or less).

NZ is alone in electing socialists in the world. If we elect them for 9 – 12 years (2023 and 2026), NZ will be the only country in the world to consistently elect socialists.

If course, this will end in ruin. No wonder the foreign Lefty media (the Guardian et al) love Cindy. She stands alone, as being the only electable socialist in the world.

Why are New Zealanders doing this?

After living overseas for 24 years, I would say one reason is that our media is different from any other country in the world. Socialists get roasted overseas. Here, the centre-right gets slaughtered.

The second reason seems to be that women aged 18 – 50 in NZ don’t understand the consequences of socialism on our future economic prospects. They are shafting their children, whose prospects are being shafted, but they are ignorant of this.

Europeans, for example, know from bitter experience that socialism creates an economic wasteland, and seldom vote for it.

My view is that if Labour is elected next election, this country will no longer be worth living in. The economic and social vandalism of the government has been steadily increasing during their time in power. Crime is already escalating in a scary fashion.

The vaccine mandates are abhorrent. Not since the 1981 tour has NZ been so divided.

I think it is a shame. I’m not sure how much hope is left.

I predict that New Zealanders will flood to Australia in the tens of thousands, as soon as borders open. Oz will eventually respond by closing their borders to NZ workers. NZ to Australia will be like Mexico to the USA.

Things are bad, but they could get worse.

If Labour wins the next election, I’m out of here…
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December 5, 2021 11:26am
- Its only I
  
  Some of the problem may be that National leaders don’t close off the point they make assuming everyone is smart enough to get the point. Unfortunately that leaves room for Labours massive media team to interpret or decipher what was said in a way that reinforces any negative opinion they may be seeding amongst voters.
  Look at how Jacinda uses simple words in simple sentences for simple people. If the audience is extremely left, with the accompanying suppression of maturity, the media will help clarify with pics.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:18pm
- Cassandra
  
  Cuba usually elects a socialist government. And Nicaragua. At least our lot don’t lock up their opponents (yet). The old saying about those robbing Peter to pay Paul usually get the vote of Paul applies here. Have a look at Waatea News’ column on Luxon – a disgraceful piece of racist envy. One can only hope that the missing 400,000 (who changed to Labour last election) have come to their senses.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:48pm
- lifesgood
  
  If I had a dollar for every person who has said “If….I’m out of here” I’d be very rich. But very few ever go in the end. Mind you, I know how you feel.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:35pm
  - artemisia
    
    Both my siblings and around half my many cousins live overseas now, most in Australia. They warmly welcome relations, help with housing and jobs. EZ.
    
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    December 5, 2021 3:24pm
  - Matt Long
    
    With over half a million Kiwis living in Australia, and about a million overseas in all I guess a lot have gotten out of here.
    After Lange and Douglas the Assies used to say ” last one out turn off the lights” after this Labour majority government there may be no one left capable of keeping the lights on.
    
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    December 5, 2021 3:49pm
Justitia

Karl du Fresne discusses the challenges awaiting Chris Luxon from the Ardern clique’s deconstruction of our democracy: http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/12/competent-management-wont-be-enough-to.html.

Well worth reading.
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December 5, 2021 11:36am
- Harriet
  
  It is worth the read — “Muldoon the best socialist that Labour never had!”
  
  But he is spot on – National generally ‘manages what happens over the 3yr term’ with the view of doing so again in the next term – leaving Labour and the left to set the agenda with National responding to them.
  
  What he also points out is that National go with ‘mainstream kiwi views of the day’. And all the cultural war battles are about to come to a head…..with the direction of the country at a cross roads.
  
  So digging deeper that is why there is always leftist views being pushed loudly here, there and everywhere, every page of the newspaper, every radio news headline, every opportunity……..creating a false ‘mainstream kiwi view’…….that comes as a politically acceptable swing voting position – or else!!
  
  Luxon will stick to plain English. People will at least understand that.
  
  Feminists, Racists and Socialists be dammed. 😎
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:51pm
Maggie Pie

CNN have finally FIRED that nassty lefty Chis Cuomo.

Be hard to find another job paying 6 mill a year.

Good job.
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December 5, 2021 11:37am
- Vory v zakone
  
  He and his corrupt bro Andrew are going to open up an Italian restaurant. According to the younger Cuomo, the signature dish will be
  Linguini Al FREDO ?
  
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  December 5, 2021 3:20pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Auckland Mayor?
  
  3 Waters CEO?
  
  Pile River Recovery Manager?
  
  Cook Strait ferry worker this Christmas?
  
  Minimum wage worker in Aotearoa 2041?
  
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  December 5, 2021 4:07pm
kglm

Something interesting is happening to the Covid case numbers. They appear to be trending downwards. This is contrary to the squeals from the usual suspects when Auckland went from Level 4 to Level 3. It was going to lead to an armageddon in cases – didn’t happen. The same squeals are occurring now about Auckland going from Levels to Traffic Lights. Time will tell what difference it makes.
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December 5, 2021 11:38am
- Alan1930
  
  The only difference between levels 4 & 3 is that you can have KFC with the latter.
  
  If infection numbers don’t explode then you can thank the scanning, mask-wearing, socially distancing, responsible vaccinated 87% of the population doing the hard yards to compensate for the idiocracy of the remainder.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sigh, being vaxxed doesnt stop Covid spreading.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:53pm
  - cmm
    
    If it is not an N95 mask then its a theatre prop.
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:59pm
- bythesea
  
  yes – it is strange. I thought it would trend up.
  
  Back in March 2020, it was a bit of a fizzle too in comparison to other countries?
  
  That time I thought it was summertime, and just too much fresh air and UV in NZ, and individual housing
  
  Back into summer now, maybe it will fizzle again.
  
  Something different this time, people have reduced immunity immediately after each dose. Perhaps that was helping to drive numbers up in the preceeding months, and that effect has declined now.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:08pm
- artemisia
  
  How many test results taken since Friday have been returned? Thought so.
  
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  December 5, 2021 3:26pm
I remember when

‘Bunch of Idiots’: Anti-vax mandate protesters deal brutal blow to business owners on first busy post-lockdown shopping day:
So the business owners, many of whom have willingly excluded non-vaccinated customers, are annoyed because the non-vaccinated, and their anti-mandate supporters, have protested against their actions.
Despite the efforts of the TV reporters, and their verbal assertions, they were unable to show any illegal behaviour.
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December 5, 2021 11:45am
- Fletch
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/covid-19-anti-vax-mandate-protesters-deal-brutal-blow-to-business-owners-on-first-busy-post-lockdown-shopping-day.html
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:04pm
- Alan1930
  
  So you’re saying it’s OK to be an inconsiderate dick who puts everyone around them at greater risk so long as they don’t break the letter of the law?
  
  What an appallingly selfish attitude.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    What greater risk?
    You’re one of those Science Deniers spreading false information aren’t you.
    Next you will be telling us that the cloth masks everyone wears work!
    hahahahahahahaahaaha
    
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    December 5, 2021 2:51pm
- lifesgood
  
  And the msm made it sound like the whole day was disrupted…it was probably an hour max.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:36pm
I remember when

Is the Smart Phone another attempt to divide and rule.
How is it possible for the government to make so many mandates that require their use, disregarding the needs those without.
Aren’t ‘those without’, the part of society that left wing party’s make such a big deal out of looking after their interests.
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December 5, 2021 11:56am
- Rich Prick
  
  I saw an elderly chap with a laminated vaccine pass hanging from his neck. Quite a sad sight.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sheep totally under control
    
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    December 5, 2021 1:46pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    RP: Even sadder watching so many sheeple wonder the streets with masks on. Jesus wept…
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Jacinda has joined the Elites, the WEF, some of whom refer to themselves as Gods.
  Her interests are purely self.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:37pm
  - sooty
    
    So is she up there with Bishop Brian Tamaki?
    
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    December 5, 2021 7:20pm
- MCōs
  
  Not a lot of people don’t have smart phones.
  I suppose everything could be organised on a lowest common denominator basis.
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:45pm
- Alan1930
  
  (A) most people have them, and
  
  (B) there are no mandate that everyone use them (alternatives to scanning and vaccination status are available).
  
  So why are you spreading false and misleading information again?
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:11pm
Its only I

I folded the cutout vax pass in half and fixed a caricature of the PM as a smiling donkey in the clear space above the lower text on the rear then laminated it. So far it’s made anyone checking the thing smile and defuse an awkward situation.
So if your like me and dodging any business who have the option of going vax pass free but choose to check anyway then when you have no choice it’s nice to at least get a laugh.
Childish I know but whatever keeps me sane.
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December 5, 2021 12:03pm
- Alan1930
  
  As the owner of such a business, I thank you.
  
  The fewer dickheads we get through the door the better.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:13pm
  - bronny1
    
    Can you tell us what business so we can make sure to avoid it….win-win.
    
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    December 5, 2021 9:17pm
Sofia

3
Today author John Robinson, tomorrow Paul Moon …

One of New Zealand’s best-selling and most-respected historians, Professor Paul Moon, was last night [October 20, 2017] acknowledged for his contributions as a researcher, academic and teacher. The AUT Excellence Awards recognise and celebrate excellence in the university’s community. Professor Moon was awarded the top accolade – the AUT University Medal – for sustained and exceptional academic achievement. – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8lzsioTZI0

This Horrid Practice – Paul Moon
‘Though stronger evidence of this horrid practice prevailing among the inhabitants of this coast will scarcely be required, we have still stronger to give.’ – Captain James Cook This Horrid Practice uncovers an unexplored taboo of New Zealand history – the widespread practice of cannibalism in pre-European Maori society. Until now, many historians have tried to avoid it and many Maori have considered it a subject best kept quiet about in public.

Paul Moon brings together an impressive array of sources from a variety of disciplines to produce this frequently contentious but always stimulating exploration of how and why Maori ate other human beings, and why the practice shuddered to a halt just a few decades after the arrival of Europeans in New Zealand.

The book includes a comprehensive survey of cannibalism practices among traditional Maori, carefully assessing the evidence and concluding it was widespread. Other chapters look at how explorers and missionaries saw the practice; the role of missionaries and Christianity in its end; and, in the final chapter, why there has been so much denial on the subject and why some academics still deny that it ever happened.

This Horrid Practice promises to be one of the leading works of New Zealand history published in 2008. It is a highly original work that every New Zealand history enthusiast will want to own and read.

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Paul Moon
Dr Paul Moon is Professor of History at the Faculty of Maori Development, Auckland University of Technology, where he has taught since 1993. He has a Bachelor of Arts degree, a Master of Philosophy degree, a Master of Arts degree, and a Doctor of Philosophy. In 2003, he was elected a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society at University College, London.
Moon is widely recognised for his study of the Treaty of Waitangi and the early period of Crown rule in New Zealand. Among his many published works, he has produced major biographies of political and Maori figures – including Governors William Hobson and Robert FitzRoy, and the Ngapuhi chief, Hone Heke – a trilogy of books covering New Zealand history from the 1820s to the 1840s, an examination of Maori cannibalism and a general history of New Zealand in the twentieth century.
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December 5, 2021 12:10pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Some activists are promoting a return to full Maori tikanga for NZ, utu included.
  
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  December 5, 2021 6:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And some commenters at Kiwiblog keep coming up with nonsense about removing the government,
    
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    December 5, 2021 7:19pm
Reid

A lot of studies indicate your vitamin D levels is a really critical component of getting yourself in the best possible position to fight off a covid infection if you get it. This applies to both vaxed and unvaxed people, and all age groups.

It’s by no means the only thing you need to do, but it’s a very important component of prudent preparation in these covid times.

This is a great vid explaining vitamin D and how it works in your body and how it helps with fighting covid. You need to condition your body for it, if you only start doing it when you get infected, you’re taking a big risk.

https://opentheword.org/2020/12/30/video-vitamin-d-and-covid/
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December 5, 2021 12:10pm
- cmm
  
  Yup and the neat thing about Vit D is that:
  * It works for any variant of CV19.
  * It works for a whole host of other diseases and infections, even mental health and colon cancer.
  
  Almost all of the health negative health factors linked to Maori are also linked to Vit D.
  
  While everyone should look after their Vit D levels, it is especially darked skinned people that need to take care.
  
  That this is not known by a large % of the population is gross negligence.
  
  I’ll wager that, come Omicron, Vit D levels will have far more bearing on outcome than getting vaccinated.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:55pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Mention the Vit D uptake is partly dependent on skin colour and one gets accused of racism.
    
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    December 5, 2021 6:28pm
- cmm
  
  PS: This is nothing new. It has been known for at least 50 years.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:56pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes. It’s verging on criminal this hasn’t been one of the first responses from the govt – if necessary issue vitamin packs to everyone, if you can’t afford to buy your own.
    
    But then, there are lots of obvious things like that which they could have done and still could do to mitigate this crisis, and they did nothing and they’re still doing nothing but engender fear of a disease with an IFR of 0.25%.
    
    Have a look at the vid in my GD post yesterday on mass formation psychosis, if you don’t yet but want to understand why they’re acting like that, along with most other govts around the world who are doing the same things. It’s not an NZ thing, this covid thing, just like it’s not a Jacinda thing. It’s not going to change when Luxon gets in. People need to understand that.
    
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    December 5, 2021 3:24pm
oc35

Andrew Campbell interview .. compare his analysis of Conservative performance with Labour’s here

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-kingdom/world-leaders-see-johnson-as-a-bit-of-a-joke/video/6d254f3e0f94c41d1e2a7537960a71b9
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December 5, 2021 12:33pm
oldfella

Tech guru Ian Taylor gets stuck into Cindy and co for all the tech missteps this govt has made in its Covid response. (NZH, and not behind a firewall)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sir-ian-taylor-all-the-tech-missteps-in-the-governments-covid-response/Z5Q2L23VRS2LQNV77BOZC3E65M/
Note how many hard questions Ian asks. The kind our MSM should be asking, but somehow never does.
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December 5, 2021 12:37pm
- fernglas
  
  That’s because Ian understands what he is talking about, and isn’t beholden to the Government for his next pay cheque.
  
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  December 5, 2021 7:56pm
mawm

This is a disturbing video by Neil Oliver – Brute force is ultimately at the end of government compulsory vaccinations.
https://youtu.be/8P7t-2Vt85Y
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December 5, 2021 12:41pm
Fletch

Again, I have to shake my head over this passport scheme. It is totally illogical. If a person can still be infected and pass on the virus – vaccinated or not – then really, what is the point? The whole scheme is a waste of time and money. I can keep saying this until I am blue in the face but it won’t stop stop the government being stupid.

If all businesses just refused to take part in the scheme could the government do anything? Not really. They couldn’t close everyone down.

Meanwhile, the NZ virology “experts” have gotten together with a rapper to make a “vaccine rap” music video that SKY News in Australia is describing as “atrocious”. It has Souxsie whatshername and other scientists in it, and yeh it’s BAD.

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/new-zealand-covid19-rap-nothing-short-of-atrocious/video/7e1f78c1a4dbb90750f09a425fd88fd6
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December 5, 2021 12:54pm
- cmm
  
  It is theatre. Just like wearing the mask.
  
  When Omicron arrives then getting the Holy Water will be theatre too.
  
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  December 5, 2021 2:48pm
- quarterpack
  
  Not that hard to understand….a vaccinated person can still pass on the virus, just like a person wearing their seatbelt can still die in a car crash.
  Yes and if all businesses refused to take part in the vaccine pass scheme it would collapse, the same would happen to the tax if they all refused to file their returns. So shake your head no longer!
  
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  December 5, 2021 5:20pm
Maggie Pie

One benefit of the Biden ‘presidency’…..it’s helping a lot of people realise what an oarsum President Donald Trump was.

https://twitter.com/ChristisGod1111/status/1467203471975895043

(the comments are deadly 😀 )
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December 5, 2021 12:56pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  AND couldn’t resist posting this either 😀 😀 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/BubbleCovfefe/status/1467209903202787334
  
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  December 5, 2021 1:29pm
Inthe09

I’ve been to ~20 odd retail and food locations around Auckland since Friday and yet to be asked for my vaccine pass. At most I’ve been asked to sign in (~20%) – I take a photo with my phone to keep them happy. Who would of thought, retail wanting punters through the door over acting as the Governments police force. Good job.
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December 5, 2021 1:26pm
- [email protected]
  
  Same here in Whangarei. No signs or requests to see your vaccine passport at the places the wife visited today. Sanity at last.
  
  Someone said that it only takes 3-1/2 percent of the population to ignore the rules before the rules become unenforceable. I’m guessing that means that at that point there are not enough willing police officers to enforce the laws.
  
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  December 5, 2021 7:28pm
Surely Knott

Local Mountain Bike park can’t let you in without a vax pass, but you can go to the botanic gardens because it’s a public facility, as long as you don’t eat at the cafe. So went to another trail network where you don’t pay and dont’ need a vax pass. Where is the consistency. You can walk around outside in public with your fellow citizens but if it’s a private business you can’t go.
You can have friends to your house for an outside bbq but you can’t sit at an outside table with those same friends at a restaurant. It’s not the protestors that are ruining local business – it’s the government.
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December 5, 2021 3:59pm
Reid

Who else thinks DPF should give Dr. Guy Hatchett the opportunity to do a guest post?

https://www.viewspot.co.nz/post/jacinda-ardern-science-and-covid-mandates?fbclid=IwAR2gwcpCr8RbgtAbOxKm9GI838U-hE12ZXYHvtQ9GYH-D9xhGNLAUZl9B9c
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December 5, 2021 4:34pm
Maggie Pie

Just waiting for the Pork Belly to crackle and thinking to myself….

STILL nothing heard about the ‘unexplained death’ of Dr Polkinghorne’s wife Pauline 🙁

….AND no word either on the condition of the 8 poor people who were stabbed in the Lynnmall Countdown by the ISIS INSPIRED TERRORIST.

Welcome to Ardern’s ‘Free Range Asylum’ and the most transparent government ever.

There were others but I can smell something….better go
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December 5, 2021 7:37pm
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  Sorry Maggie Pie, but police investigations aren’t usually designed around enlivening bored Remuera housewives’ gossip sessions.
  
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  December 5, 2021 7:59pm
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  I would suggest the condition of the 8 poor people who were stabbed in the Lynnmall Countdown is best kept private
  That particular crime probably attracted the attention of all sorts of creepy people.
  
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