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Warren

Runaway house prices cannot continue –
Ardern.
Well after four years in power and using housing to discredit National and promising to build 100,000 houses over ten years with Kiwibuild only to break that promise and less than 1,000 house built and housing crisis in full swing because of Labours blatant lies, the situation has got worse.
So it seems the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern still needs to con the New Zealand Public a problem made by others and wants to see housing prices fall back from record heights next year.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/housing-crisis-runaway-prices-cannot-continue-ardern.html
This after her party and the media took swipes at portraying the newly elected National Leader as greedy and making lots of money out of the seven property’s he has in his housing portfolio, the funny thing about this greed that Chris Luxon has supposedly committed is that Jacinda Ardern also made over $600,000
in extra valuation on her investment from the purchase of her house also.
But as usual the Prime Minister gets a free pass and is not held to account by our bought and paid for media.
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December 11, 2021 8:00am
- Taieri
  
  Can’t understand what are you complaining about? The important thing is that NZ is finally going to be smoke free. And non-binary folks will get their birth certificates sorted out.
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:46am
  - Fishing in the dark
    
    yes, we are going to be be smoke free and the same time they pushing to legalise smoking dope and encourage smokers to change-over to vaping and still drinking alcohol like fish.
    Well done!!!!
    
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    December 11, 2021 11:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They are all going gungho now on nicotine laced vape. I’ve got a young son in that state.
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:12pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Smoke-Free? Another Govt imposed tax-take black hole! How’s that black hole going to be filled?
    Oh, that’s right, legalisation of marijuana will take its place.
    Another well-thought-through disaster Chloe Swarbrick. /sarc
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:28pm
Ra Henare

Another hit piece from Stuff?

An opinion piece by Donna Lee Biddle
Journalist and winner of Bruce Jesson Merit Award 2014 (investigative journalism)
Who seems to have thrown her investigative Journalism skills out of the window in favour of bashing accepted medical opinion.

Maybe she has joined Doctor Jacinda and her cabinet of health professionals? Can only think about vaccines.

I suspect her Aunty in Murapara is better served by her GP than the snide remarks from her journalist Niece.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/127232772/battling-covid-with-vitamin-d-mouthwash-and-a-dose-of-stupidity
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December 11, 2021 8:01am
- Sacha
  
  Donna Lee Biddle clearly knows next-to-nothing about the human immune system. Her ridicule of Aunty and GP shows her ignorance, which is Prime Ministerial level.
  The Olds clearly know their Vit D and Zinc from their Vaxxes, and will probably sail through the advancing wave of seasonal colds and flu with nothing more than a sniffle.
  All strength to them!
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:26am
- bronny1
  
  What a disgrace. Media spreading misinformation. Why wouldn’t you take vit D and Zinc, they are proven to help as can be seen in many peer reviewed studies.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:34am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Seriously?
    
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    December 11, 2021 7:47pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    MSM full of misinformation but less now
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300465994/popular-journalist-and-staunch-antivaxxer-dies-of-covid19
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:31pm
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  Murupara has a challenging enviroment in winter, cold, wet, damp, an enviroment condusive to respiratory illnesses.
  This combined with the towns poor health statistics means it is likely that someone in this town will contract Covid and may die from it.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:08am
Mr_Blobby

Silly question of the day.

Is there any evidence from anywhere in the world that shows vaccine passports actually work?

Welcome to another day of lockdown tyranny
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December 11, 2021 8:03am
- Mrs_Right
  
  I popped into Westfield Albany yesterday. I was expecting security/staff to be scanning vaccine passes at the entrance to the mall or at least shops. Nobody was scanning anything! The only thing they expect you to do is scan in with the tracer app.
  
  Am I missing something?
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:46am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Vaccine passes aren’t required in retail. Only hospitality and close contact businesses like hair dressers and beauty salons. Plus required for outdoor gatherings of up to 100 people, or gatherings in your home – no mention of indoor shopping in malls of any number of people. https://covid19.govt.nz/assets/COVID-19-Protection-Framework/COVID-19-Protection-Framework-traffic-lights-summary-table.pdf
    
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    December 11, 2021 11:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Always remember, this is nothing to do with health. Nothing. This is the foundation of your social credit system. Astonished to find out (h/t Spoff) that the WEF is currently running an experiment in NZ. I don’t remember that on RNZ?
  Who authorised this and for what purpose?
  
  “Reimagining Regulation for the Age of AI:
  New Zealand Pilot Project”
  
  “To this end, the World Economic Forum is
  spearheading a multistakeholder, evidence based policy project in partnership with the
  Government of New Zealand. The project aims at
  co-designing actionable governance frameworks
  for AI regulation. It is structured around three focus
  areas: 1) obtaining of a social licence for the use
  of AI through an inclusive national conversation;”
  
  What national conversation????
  
  https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Reimagining_Regulation_Age_AI_2020.pdf
  
  Conspiracy theories just keep coming. Astonishing.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Re the above link. If you go to the “contributors” section of the document there are a handful of NZ contributors. NONE are democratically elected representatives of the population. Who authorised this? What is the goal? What happened to democracy?
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And I can’t see any representation from folks in the PRC.
      
      For Goodness sake, doesn’t the WEF and the NZ Government know where the leading lights in A.I. work?
      
      https://hbr.org/2021/02/is-china-emerging-as-the-global-leader-in-ai
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:36am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Look at the composition of the WEF membership.
        Musk is already producing and trialling chips. Gates has posited an ID system based on it including a machine readable super shot.
        
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        December 11, 2021 12:22pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Yes, an important contributing factor in our good fortune to be at the leading edge of this game changing future tech.
        
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        December 11, 2021 7:53pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s not a conspiracy when the head of the WEF writes a book about it. He seems to have signed up Ardern too as an agent. Treason on her part?
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:24pm
    - mawm
      
      The other day I questioned where her loyalty lies. At the moment it does not appear to be the citizens of New Zealand.
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:54pm
- alloytoo
  
  No health benefit as far as I can tell, but I laminated mine, so that might limit it’s effectiveness.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:53am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  You Jaffas voted for it. What is your MP [deleted] Chloe doing bro?? Has she spoken a single word in support of businesses that are suffering?
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:57am
- TS Child
  
  Can’t see any health reason why it would work. Can see plenty of political reasons. However on an individual level, it’s made me reassess what actually matters to me in the community… gym yes, cafes less than I thought – a pass to get in makes me feel unwelcome and focuses my mind on things that are unpleasant, so yay for picnics. I’m loving people who put vaccine passport required in their shop windows – transparency matters and I think displaying a sign shows integrity. And I can decide from outside whether or not what they have to offer is a reasonable exchange for my privacy. The sad thing is I know these people are just following the rules laid down by government, or maybe trying to create safe spaces. But the only voice we have right now is via our credit cards ..
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:11am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    May also be that it encourages support of their business by over 90% of the population.
    
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    December 11, 2021 7:57pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      No, it’s cowardly subservience. Grow a spine.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:55pm
- Mummy
  
  Maybe not quite on point but St Ash has recently said on TV twice that there is zero chance of catching the pestilence in a supermarket. I take it from that that no one has been contact traced and connected to one?
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:23pm
- Jim
  
  It’ll come in handy soon for Build Back Better Robbo and Orr’s CBDC (cashless) introduction, to verify each individual citizen to facilitate the social credit function.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:33pm
Benedict Yu

It is pathetic that the Government even bothers showing up to the Waitangi Tribunal.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300474965/work-under-way-to-prioritise-mori-children-in-paediatric-vaccine-rollout-waitangi-tribunal-hears

So we are now going to throw more money at vaccinating Maori children?

Honestly there is no problem here. Maori over 65 have very high vaccination rates. It is Maori 20 to 34 who have low vaccination rates.

And here is another thing. In Northland, 81 percent of eligible Maori have had one dose. Sure lower than average, but by international standards, that is pretty darn good. The issue is that only 69 percent have had the second dose. It is not about the Crown and racism. It is just damn laziness.

In the Bay of Plenty the figures are 82 percent and 67 percent.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

Maybe the Pak n Save vouchers ran out by the second shots.

Anyway there is no mention of this in the Waitangi Tribunal. And apparantly the solution to lazy Maori adults is to vaccinate their 5 year olds.
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December 11, 2021 8:06am
- Cinematic
  
  This will reduce the overall % of vaccinated Maori. Besides I doubt many paediatricians will be recommending the vaccine given it’s pretty useless and unnecessary (unless underlying health issues).
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are wrong about that. Any paediatrician in New Zealand who advised a parent to not vaccinate their kids would be front page news and would face sanctions. You must be remembering the “free speech New Zealand”. You are in Aotearoa now pal. ?
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:00am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  No medical professional should be administering any treatment unless they are absolutely sure that the patient has consented.
  
  If they suspect that the person has been coerced in any way, then they should not be administering any treatment.
  
  Vouchers, food, coffee, cash, free taxis, mandates are all forms of coercion.
  
  Our medical profession should be ashamed of their complicity, first do not harm.
  
  I was only following orders is not a valid defense.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:17am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Crikey how quick conspiracies run. Have you never given blood and been given a cup of tea?
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:55am
    - mawm
      
      Losing 800ml of one’s blood volume is not inconsequential. Although most of that volume gets made up with fluid from the other compartments it still has to be replaced. The cup of tea has a therapeutic benefit.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:16am
      - Harriet
        
        Both are acts of charity, one being of serious importance, and the other out of severe gratitude.
        
        Brian Mcdonald didn’t know one could eat at Mcdonald’s – and donate change to Mcdonald’s House?
        
        Ignorant or cheap bastard. Or liar. 😎
        
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        December 11, 2021 6:02pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Brilliant comparison. You must be a doctor.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:31am
    - Sacha
      
      The cup of tea is given as a precaution to activity after donating blood. The fluid is to help replace the volume just removed from your system, not as a bribe.
      And isn’t blood donation voluntary?
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:33am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Yep, voluntary, just like all vaccines.
        
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        December 11, 2021 8:02pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Never given blood without consent though, and the “cup of tea” was an optional extra you clown.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Around 470ml of blood is taken from an adult during a blood donation. Having a cup of tea helps your body with fluid replacement…which your body needs as it restores your blood volume back to its original condition over a period of hours.
      
      I don’t need a $50 food voucher… neither does my husband…but we were both offered one after our 2nd covid vax.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:57am
    - Cassandra
      
      You are a real idiot, Brian. Giving blood is doing the community a favour – having the vax is, mostly, doing yourself a favour. And when did a cuppa equal $100?
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:58am
      - John Pakes
        
        Being vaxxed against Covid IS doing the community a favour
        
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        December 11, 2021 12:06pm
    - John Pakes
      
      Cup of Tea? Heavens, way back in the past it was a little Brandy! Medicinal, of course.
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:03pm
    - rouppe
      
      What an asinine comparison.
      
      The cup of tea is more about having you sit down for awhile after the donation than anything else
      
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      December 11, 2021 7:07pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    I strongly agree about medical procedures without consent, and I look forward to seeing you make the point with equal fervour next time the suggestion comes up, as it regularly does round here, that women should be required to have contraceptive implants or even undergo sterilization as a condition of receiving benefits.
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:36pm
    - alloytoo
      
      It’s a suggestion, they could always get a job?
      
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      December 11, 2021 3:15pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Oh Ben, you just don’t understand the deep felt impacts of colonization and institutional racism, do you honey…
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t know about that. My grandparents had a hard time with the Japanese. And it ended with a lot of dead people rather than a Treaty.
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Many NZers seem unaware of how nasty and how long Japanese colonisation of Taiwan, Korea and even Manchuria was.
      
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      December 11, 2021 11:01am
      - tui47
        
        The younger ones don’t have a clue. I tell them the story of what an uncle in the NZ Army saw when he arrived at a village in the Philippines after the Japanese had just been through during WW2. They are more concerned about the offence that Uncle committed by hating the Japanese for the rest of his life rather than the act committed by the Japanese against the nuns, the priest and the villagers.
        
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        December 11, 2021 1:29pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not to mention the hard time the indigenous Taiwanese had when mainland Chinese turned up
      
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      December 11, 2021 5:54pm
- bronny1
  
  Just a reminder that plenty of people have made an informed decision (or at least a decision) not to have the vax. Writing that off as lazy is unfair. Sure that may be the case for some or even many but not all.
  
  I violently disagree with the use of inducements as at some point concern becomes coercion.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:32am
  - mawm
    
    And I strongly disagree with having my civil and human rights removed by a government that does not have my wellbeing at heart.
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Have you considered the younger Maori may not consider themselves any longer to be under tribal control. It’s been 180 years since that “treaty” and there has been a lot of intermingling and Maori moving to town away from the pa.
  Those pushing the Waitangi barrow are the present political warrior remnant with bigger taiaha than brains. They are smart though as they know how to sneak up on Pakeha and steal back lands they seek.
  Vaccines are a distraction in this theatre of Mahuta and mob.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    The government is not turning up this year because of the dreaded chinese flue!
    Oh thank you china! You have done what no one else has managed to achieve!
    Shutdown the grievance industry!
    Wonder what this government will give them to make up for it?
    Vouchers for KFC, instead of the bacon she cooks?
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The grievance industry has moved to parliament.
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:26pm
  - rouppe
    
    Speaking of mahuta what going on with this.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/foreign-affairs-minister-nanaia-mahuta-announces-indigenous-peoples-trade-arrangement/MLCISAKJHOVXUCO5UN7NTLIAEM/
    
    Very light on detail. Will it mean more tax advantage for Maori? No tariffs if the product has a Maori source?
    
    What? It smells. Very badly.
    
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    December 11, 2021 7:13pm
- CaptainCompromise
  
  So the argument goes that the crown is racist because it’s less effective at coercing Maori to get a voluntary procedure, than the population? They’re either claiming Maori aren’t wise enough to make their own decision or that Maori need more crown control. Seems a bit racist.
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:01am
- ByGolly
  
  It is not laziness Benedict.
  
  They do not want the fucking vaccine.
  
  How hard is that to understand?
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:02pm
Yvette

It will be interesting to see the conclusions of the current Waitangi Tribunal deliberations.

Will the Tribunal, which only Maori may bring a case before, find that Maori, with the self-attached baggage of colonial after-shock (still, since nearer two centuries ago – roughly 181 years, and six generations) have lagged behind in vaccination, with Hone Harawira concentrating a establishing illegal road blocks [1] and the Police helping him do that, rather than ensuing all Hone’s vulnerable Maori are vaccinated, while those frontline workers who have been jabbed back in February so fully resistent to covid some time April, are now about three months overdue for a booster, but that is disguised by Vaccination Passes that carry an expiry date determined by its arbitrary time of their Internet download rather than anything to do with the medical date of their last injection (+two weeks for maximum efficacy)?

And day by day now, media. which Ardern announced to the world yesterday, receive Government funding to keep stories coming during the covid pandemic, actually now slowly expose the fact Ardern in her medically justified measures restrictive of the population, has not always entirely followed the country’s top medical advice. And the National Opposition has been complicit, since they have spent so long staring their own belly button, they haven’t really told the nation what is going on.

And that soon, because everyone has fucked around so much, including the general population which is starting to look like they are the equivalent of Germany’s ordinary citizens in their slowly boiled frog (sorry, France) situation of the 1930’s, so sooner perhaps now than later, covid will actually take over and a lot of this, including the Waitangi Tribunal deliberations will become academic, so likely not that interesting after all, and Brian Tamaki, sitting in prison, will be the only one happy?

There – I’m sorry: just describing another load of merde from the Government that is characterised by endless bloody words, aspirations and slogans, but almost total non-delivery of anything.
• A mental health report that resulted in nine sub-committees to consider how to implement any of it.
• harking back a bit: illegal intervention in stopping Fletchers construction (which they would have done themselves – because any two sticks they put together any day would likely have been burnt down that night), illegal purchase of the land, now bogged down in a Maori decision making process to determine who will make decisions.
• and just sealed any from view, so to speak, the promised consideration of Pike River re-entry of the mine itself, to be made when the roof-fall was reached and its content examined – rock or crushed coal – but vastly self-conflicted Little determined not to take any recommendation to Cabinet when teams were only one seventh of the way up the drift.

All this shit, and I “critique” it but offer no solutions. As always.
So why not call out Ardern every time illegal decisions are made.
Starting with road blocks.
Write to Luxon and point out the difference between Coster and Cahill and demand Ardern clarify it. Luxon need not take a side, just say that both cannot be right.

Do it, before such incitement is cited as “hate speech” – remember, politics is “reluctantly” included in it.

[1] Police Commissioner Andrew Coster has repeatedly told MPs the checkpoints operating across the country are legal because police are present and operating them.
However Police Association president Chris Cahill suggests that under COVID-19 Public Health Response Order that any road block other than on the Auckland boundary is illegal.
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December 11, 2021 8:07am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I don’t know where your info comes from Yvette but recently when picking up a script from the chemist I noticed a sign that said they were doing booster shots. I asked if I needed to book and was told no, but just to come in on the day which is in the latter part of this month. But maybe it was all a trick.
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:53am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Q: Isn’t the booster the same concoction as the first 2 jabs? Therefore it was made for Alpha not Delta. So why are we taking it? Especially considering Omnicron is close to hitting our shores, so from what I’m seeing, it will sort the whole pandemic out. Who needs a booster?
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:02pm
Bridgenag

Sent to me

Decline and fall of NZ

https://app.spectator.com.au/2021/12/decline-and-fall-of-new-zealand/pugpig_index.html
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December 11, 2021 8:07am
Benedict Yu

I hope the pay was worth it. ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127245863/covid19-man-receives-up-to-10-vaccines-in-one-day
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December 11, 2021 8:08am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Nothing to see here, the vaccine is safe, right.
  
  2, 3, 4, 5, shots no problem.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:22am
  - Okahu
    
    Well, many here might think a bottle of wine is sufficiently worthwhile to overlook any statistically proven detriments and take onboard. Fewer I imagine would take on 10.
    
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    December 11, 2021 3:59pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    I have seen numerous single anecdotes used to extrapolate ludicrous antivaxx arguments here. So what happens if this guy walks away without an issue? This may not even be the first time he’s done this.
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:26pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Give us your best “antivax” story. Go on. Entertain us with your wit and wisdom.
      
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      December 11, 2021 11:06pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        So many …. umm?
        Well there’s the one where the guy took who knows how many shots without a single side effect, doesn’t that make the antivaxxers look silly!
        Or this one
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300465994/popular-journalist-and-staunch-antivaxxer-dies-of-covid19
        
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        December 12, 2021 6:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The NZ system is so secure//
  How many others are doing it and not getting caught?
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:27am
  - sooty
    
    They should have waited a bit longer as the prizes are going to get bigger as the jabbing numbers drop off the chart!
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:54am
- bronny1
  
  I wonder how widespread this is. Might explain some of the 90% figure which doesn’t reflect what I see around me.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:35am
- Steve Todd
  
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  We certainly have our fair share of stupid people in this country, Benedict. Here is a case in point: https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/127232772/battling-covid-with-vitamin-d-mouthwash-and-a-dose-of-stupidity.
  
  Sadly, there are a number of Kiwibloggers (who are ostensibly intelligent, educated people) who would agree with what Dr Bernard Conlon is doing.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:54am
  - Don Beckett
    
    This is just a hit job on Bernie Conlon (who I know). It is recognised medical practice to up Vit. D & zinc, because they help the body fight viruses.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:26am
    - Spoff
      
      Yes, that hit piece reeks of spin applied to what any responsible, sensible GP would recommend.
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:37am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      […] Bernie Conlon (who I know).
      
      Of course you do, Don. In fact, I was thinking of you while reading the article: Bay of Plenty; Vit D and zinc; the name Bernard. Pretty obvious really.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:06am
  - Reid
    
    “Sadly, there are a number of Kiwibloggers (who are ostensibly intelligent, educated people) who would agree with what Dr Bernard Conlon is doing.”
    
    That’s because he’s correct. Let me explain.
    
    It’s critical to have your Vitamin D levels at optimum levels when you get covid. That means you have to prepare for it. It’s not a cure for covid, that’s propaganda you’re listening to suggesting it is, but it’s a critical aspect of prepping your immune system to properly respond to it. This is standard medical science learned in med school 101, it’s not mysterious quackery, in any way. So last week I asked my GP since I was getting a blood test anyway, to give me a read on my Vit D levels while we were at it. He looked it up in his system and got back to me explaining the medsafe advice was it’s an extremely expensive test and it doesn’t do anything anyway. And he just passed it onto me like that. I decided not to argue about it but isn’t that strange, since this is elementary standard medical knowledge and one of the first things the govt should have done if it really wanted to prepare the population for the covid pandemic was to get our vitamin D levels up to speed in any way it could. But it didn’t, instead it makes it difficult to find out what they are and it pretends they don’t matter.
    
    Here’s a doctor (a nurse educator who’s a PhD) explaining how it works and why it’s critical for covid.
    
    https://rumble.com/vos6pd-dr.-john-campbell-vitamin-d-and-immunity-3-9-2020.html
    
    The article also references zinc. Having appropriate zinc levels before you get covid is also necessary but you also need to be taking a zinc ionophore like HCQ or Querceti to make it work. Basically the zinc ionophore allows the zinc to get into a cell infected with the virus and the zinc stops it replicating. The ionophore is the gun and zinc is the bullet, think of it like that. Again, plenty of references on how it works, will leave you to find them.
    
    I won’t bother explaining all the things you need to take to make sure your immune system is tip top prior to catching covid, you can easily find them if you want to. The point is, govts and the medical community keep pretending covid is untreatable but for the vaccine, which is bollocks easily disprovable in a heartbeat by anyone with common sense, an interweb connection and an open mind. But if you don’t have all three of those things, by all means believe the govt lies, but don’t expect the rest of us to be so gullible.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:33am
    - Dr John
      
      Back in 2012, Ian Wishart [where is he now?] wrote a book “Vitamin D. Is this the miracle vitamin?”
      An excellent read penned well before covid 19 was even a glimmer in our PMs eye.
      
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      December 11, 2021 11:29am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I note the reluctance now for tests being ordered by GP’s. I was going to ask for one but now I’ll get my extras without their help.
      
      Have our docs had their independence clipped by the govt controlling the payments to them and considering their test costs?
      That has killed real medicine in the USA where the insurance payers dictate the outcomes.
      
      NZ is not the USA.
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:41pm
  - Homas
    
    Very astute of you Steve.
    
    Now do the countless thousands of obese folk who have steadfastly refused to address the primary COVID comorbidity over the last year and a half plus.
    
    Perhaps you could lavish some of that judgement of yours upon the public figures who’ve actually gone so far as to promote the whole fat acceptance schtick throughout (no shame in that “quarantine fifteen” apparently).
    
    Let me know what you come up with, won’t you?
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:58am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I take vitamin D daily. Because there is evidence, you know, actual data, that shows that vitamin D deficiency is a risk factor for covid disease.
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:08am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Thanks for your response, Benedict.
      
      You will be pleased to know that I eat plenty of foods that are high in Vitamin D and zinc, as a matter of course. I also get plenty of Vitamin D from the sun (particularly during my regular walks).
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:32am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Then why participate in a hit job on a doctor who knows his stuff and advises his patients to do what you say you are already doing ? Note that Maori, because their skin is averagely darker, generates less Vitamin D per time in the sun than those less melanin endowed. That does protect them from other Sun mediated effects (sunburn for example and it’s attendant possible long term ramifications), but also means that maintaining a good Vitamin D level might be more difficult without supplementation or at least a suitable diet.
        
        Sounds like very good advice to me, and does indeed show this laughable joke of a government up for its possibly deliberate intent to make people as vulnerable as possible to Covid.
        
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        December 11, 2021 11:23am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Then why participate in a hit job […].
        
        It wasn’t a hit job simply because Ra, Don and you say so. This guy is, in effect, causing his patients not to be vaccinated unless, in his opinion, they have been “adequately informed and given free choice”.
        
        As for Māori generating “less Vitamin D per time in the sun […] means that maintaining a good Vitamin D level might be more difficult without supplementation or at least a suitable diet” — that is nothing more than your opinion.
        
        You have no basis to suggest that Conlon’s patients might not have a diet that provides Vitamin D and zinc (for example, fish(!), eggs, mushrooms) in sufficient quantities, or don’t spend sufficient time in the Bay of Plenty sun, or to imply that that is the reason he is recommending supplements, rather than effectively denying them the COVID-19 vaccine.
        
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        December 11, 2021 12:18pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        There is plenty of research validating that Vit D via the skin pathway is mediated by skin pigmentation.
        A small sampler:
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27016471/
        
        It does raise the issue of equity among the population. That could be attended to at the prescribing level of GP’s.
        
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        December 11, 2021 12:48pm
    - mawm
      
      There is an inverse relationship between Vit D levels and mortality from Covid.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You’ve just demonstrated your membership to the club of stupid people in this country. Those are well recognised strategies for helping your immune system deal with any infection.
    Maybe check the facts before commenting.
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:39am
  - Sacha
    
    Steve Todd – here’s the thing: Every one has an immune system which responds to challenges to the body’s health. If you are healthy and have a good diet, your immune system will cope pretty well and fight off minor infections like the coronaviruses.
    Unfortunately, many people in NZ have poor diets, and don’t get out in the sun as much as they could, and so the essential aids to a healthy immune system are lacking in their bodies. Dr Conlon is probably doing the best that he can – he knows his community, and the fickleness of human nature. His people are not the sort who dash off to the Doc every week, and many are not the sort to take advice about vitamin supplements.
    FYI:
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplt
    
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    December 11, 2021 11:13am
    - Steve Todd
      
      A remote / low income area GP who (along with his GP wife) chooses not to be vaccinated is probably not “doing the best that he can” for his patients. He is making it very difficult for them to get vaccinated (most of whom would no doubt happily be so if he was able to administer the required doses).
      
      Other commenters have previously told us to watch out for next winter. I just hope Dr Conlon does not have cause to rue his stance.
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:59pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Next winter the vaccinated may be envying the unvaccinated. If so the Doc will be correct. The heavy load of contrary info on both sides is disturbing.
        
        I dropped out because of the apparent push by Pharma for profits above all else. Finding Fauci and others promoting products which they had a financial interest in and closing down access to other safe proven medications does not speak of honesty.
        
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        December 11, 2021 6:18pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      They are exactly the community that cannot afford expensively Vit D and Zn laced piss. The vaccine is free.
      In the highly probable event that there micronutrient levels are at perfectly good levels then highly probable the vaccine will provoke a good immune response and vastly improve their body’s Covid readiness.
      
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      December 11, 2021 8:45pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You’re dreaming. Wait till next July. But of course it will be the assholes who didn’t follow Jacinda’s script. Yeah nah.
        
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        December 11, 2021 11:11pm
- judith8409121
  
  thanks Benedict – do you have his number? i have an order i want to place
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If a leader needs mandates to get people to comply with science, then either the leader is fake or the science is fake
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December 11, 2021 8:09am
- mandk
  
  It could be both and.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:12am
- pdm
  
  SO – given the people she and her cohorts take advice from, Wiles, Hendy, Baker, Jackson.
  
  And given those whose advice she rejects, Saint Ashley.
  
  There is no doubt about it – she , Chippy and Robbo are all incompetent flakes.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:37am
- Fight4NZ
  
  You’ve just demonstrated your membership to the club of stupid people in this country. Those are well recognised strategies for helping your immune system deal with any infection.
  Maybe check the facts before commenting.
  
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  December 12, 2021 6:38am
yossarian

“Unlimited power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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December 11, 2021 8:09am
CJames

Maybe the answer is to not allow any non-Maori children aged 5-11 be vaccinated until 90% of Maori children in that age group had been. That should satisfy a whole lot of people.
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December 11, 2021 8:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The lowest rates of Maori vaccination are in the 20 to 34 age group. If they are not going to get vaccinated, they are even less likely to vaccinate their kids.
  
  Vaccination rates for Maori 5 to 11 year olds will top out at less than 50 percent. Then there will be more manufactured outrage.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:19am
  - CJames
    
    Benedict Do I need to put a sarc tag on my post?
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nope, he knows
      
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      December 11, 2021 8:35am
      - sooty
        
        Wonder what prize the parents will get to bring their kids in for the jab?
        
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        December 11, 2021 8:57am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I did pick it up.
    
    BTW there is no equivalence of sarcasm in Chinese. People can be made fun of. But if someone said one thing but meant another regularly, it would not go down well. The other thing is that when English speakers use sarcasm orally there is frequently a changed intonation in their voice. That does not happen in Chinese. So a Chinese person with English as a second language would not pick up sarcasm in a conversation, unless they had lived in an English speaking country for many years.
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:41am
    - CausticAcrostic
      
      And who says English isn’t a tonal language. We just have different types of tone. And stresses on particular syllables and pauses also convey a world of meaning that must completely go over second language speakers’heads, at least for a long while.
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:19am
      - Jack5
        
        Caustic, languages can use tone without being tonal languages.
        
        Rising tone at the end of a sentence is an example of this use in English. It’s overused in the views of many, and is even parodied.
        
        Here’s a reasonable summary from the web site Babbel: ” For a language to be considered tonal, a word’s meaning has to be affected by the tone.”
        
        This is done with the four tones of Mandarin Chinese. People argue about how many tones there are in Cantonese – six or nine.
        
        For a comparison of tonal languages, pitch-accent languages, and pitch-accent languages:
        
        https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/tonal-languages
        
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        December 11, 2021 12:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      The tones used in Chinese, most notably to Western ears, Cantonese, would indeed make it harder for Chinese to pick up sarcasm or other shades of meaning in fluctuations in English-language voices.
      
      Benedict, how do deaf Chinese speakers cope? Is there a Chinese sign language? If so, is it based on written (and simplified) Chinese?
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:20am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Notwithstanding my reply to your first comment of the morning, unfortunately many of today’s snowflake petal generation in aotearoa simply don’t get – or refuse to get – irony & sarcasm…
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:56am
    - Bluegrass
      
      Sarcasm: maybe not in the Chinese dialects per se, structurally, intonation-wise.
      
      But it’s a bit like saying the Americans lack a sense of irony. Wrong.
      
      The Chinese do sarcasm. Trust me. I’ve worked with them in international JV’s [oil and gas]. In mainland China.
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:22pm
  - igm
    
    They may be awaiting handouts for compliance . . . taxpayers will get hit again!
    Following MSM no doubt.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:36am
- KevO'Brien
  
  No under 11 yr olds should be vaccinated until its proven safe and necessary for that cohort.
  Being a genetic modifier can they prove in advance that fertility is not being compromised?
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:53pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Of all the ridiculous claims genetic modifier is possibly the most definitively anti-fact.
    Then you want to be taken seriously when wittering on about vitamins?
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:52pm
iMP

So more classes of people in Team 5 Mill

Vaxxed v Non-vaxxed
Homeowners v Renters
Access to Baccy (pre-08ers) v Banned Baccys

Unity and kindness ala Ardern Aotearoa
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December 11, 2021 8:12am
- iMP
  
  Actually, despite the social engineering over reach, and the political arrogance of this move, banning tobacco for post-2008 Millennials, gives us all a greater benefit in the long term. But i could never vote for that kind of Nanny State determinalism; in the end, it’s always personal choice not State intervention over an entire generation. That is a bit scary.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    As usual, the government will create more problems.
    
    Smoking rates in teens are already very low. But they seem to be taking up vaping in alarming numbers.
    
    Stop focusing on bans. It just hands money to the gangs.
    
    Honestly the whole thing will be a fail. Everything else, literally, that the Government attempts to fix fails. Why would this be any different?
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:24am
    - artemisia
      
      So in 20 or 30 or 40 years time, the ciggie pass with QR code and DOB will have to be presented to buy any. The world will be ROFL. And it has already started.
      
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      December 11, 2021 8:57am
  - Cinematic
    
    We have a government determined to insert themselves into everything whilst achieving nothing.
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    ” banning tobacco for post-2008 Millennials, gives us all a greater benefit in the long term”
    
    Could you elaborate?
    
    I detest smoking, but I acknowledge that some people think it is cool and will smoke.
    
    We’ve had a tobacco buying age of 18 since forever and yet heaps of 14 year olds smoke. Clearly legislation does not prevent access.
    
    The legislation might have a better chance of working if it made it illegal to supply smokes to anybody that is underage. But unless you are prepared to lock up Aunty for buying smokes for her one-year-younger friend then forget it.
    
    Prohibitions do not work. They just drive revenue into the hands of the gangs and make the gangs into the good guys. Who’s going to dob in the guy who sells them smokes?
    
    Nope. This is “feel good” legislation. They have done something. They can pat themselves on the back – even if it will achieve nothing.
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:31am
    - bronny1
      
      Sorry meant to uptick!
      
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      December 11, 2021 8:37am
Lee C

I am afraid.
I am afraid for a nation that has been deliberately frightened into compliance.
I am afraid of our constitutional protections being stripped away.
I am afraid of the consequences of a sychophantic media on the minds of our children.
I am afraid of hive-mentality hiujacking our every decison.
I am afraid of the impact that fear and discrimination will have on my children.
I am afraid that otherwise rational people have surrendered their physical, emotional and personal autonomy to the vagaries of a leadership which has an endless appetite for narcissistic self-gratification.
I am afraid that our nation will be onits knees economically for the forseeable future – long after the vanities of the moment and the actors of the day have departed.

These are fears that inform my views about the current situation – in my view, these are rational and evidenced causes for fear.

Others are afraid of different things.

What is the essential difference between us? And why are some people so hell-bent of turning us against each other?

Follow the mnoey, is my advice.
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December 11, 2021 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I wonder if Jaspinda and her beehive flakes ever read this blog and just ignore it, or does she just not give a fuck?
  Maybe she does read some of the intelligent comments and does the exact opposite?
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some Beehive folks might read this blog, but not Our Dear PM.
    She has important things to do.
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Her political advisors will scan the posts but I doubt they read GD.
    
    Maybe David Seymour reads it. “Get hold of that Benedict Yu guy. He has some ideas” ?
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:50am
- cmm
  
  Keep your eye on what matters: #CinD4UN!
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:23am
  - tf78
    
    cmm – google the monstrous statue/beast thing the UN have just planted outside their New York Head Quarters. If that’s not a warning of what’s going on, nothing is. (Sorry I can’t put up a link but it comes up easily).
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  A friend was telling me yesterday that he knows a woman who is not vaccinated. She was the only person in her work team who was unvaccinated. She has now been told to work at home. Apparently she is very sociable and is now at home in a deep depression.
  
  Despite their shortcomings, I would advise any adult to be vaccinated. Regular readers here are aware of that. But people have freedom of choice. What had happened to this woman is just wrong.
  
  We are going to see an increase in mental health problems and sadly some suicides. It sounds like the woman in question was a good worker, and who got a lot of her life satisfaction from her work and work friends.
  
  This is just wrong.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:32am
  - Don Beckett
    
    It’s already happened Ben. Suicides are up 150% in the past 18 months.
    ( Fortunately, they are not recorded as Covid deaths // )
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:42am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      Hi Don. Where did you get the numbers? I looked for them the other day and couldnt fine them. Vital info for the ongoing debate. Cheers.
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:03am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The figures were published a few months ago, mainly in relation to youth suicide – can’t remember the source – sorry.
        
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        December 11, 2021 9:27am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        My younger brother is an Auckland-based policeman. Based on his experiences of attending suicides before and during the COVID Era, a 150% increase may well be an underestimate. He thinks they have doubled.
        
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        December 11, 2021 2:19pm
  - Lee C
    
    History will report that the true pandemic was the narcissism of those who leapt on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to gratify their own misplaced confidence in their entitlement to ‘power’.
    
    The true pandemic will be those affected by suicide, depression, cancelled operations, domestic violence, economic ruin and despondency.
    
    Simplistic thinking, that there is a ‘vaccination’ for a ‘problem’ has provided power-crazed simpletons with the ‘right’ to lord it over others.
    
    It’s simply too intoxicating a brew for them to resist.
    
    That’s teh ‘pandemic’. Whether it be the curtain-twitchers in Waimate, to the ‘influencers’ in the media, or the bloggers and cogniscenti in Wellington.
    
    The real virus is that they have found something so appealing to their egoes that they cannot see the rational shortcomings of their actions and attitudes.
    
    It is no accident that we are led by an infantilised version of a politician, serviced by an infantilsied version of a media who appeals to the most infantilised aspects of those she ‘leads’.
    
    What happened to all the grown-ups? Oh yes, they are villified and discriminated against by the fearful pack, led by the school-yard bullies.
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:49am
    - krazykiwi
      
      +10. Your focus is crisp and accurate. I read similar commentary from el gato malo this morning: crowdsourcing the secret police – how to weaponize nudges, emotional agitation, and outgroup based division into ubiquitous social control
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:21am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        An excellent website and an excellent post.
        
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        December 11, 2021 10:57am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Kind of like the Cultural revolution all over again.
      
      Wonder how long before kids “inform” on their parents as being the next natural progression?
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:31am
    - cjn
      
      Follow the money. Certainly. The Real Doctor Fauci by Bobby Kennedy would be the gold standard of this approach but there are many interesting books coming out. One that describes the actions of opportunists well is The Great Covid Panic: What Happened, Why, and What to Do Next by Frijters, Foster and Baker. They also look at the differences between the fearful and the sceptics as time passes. What with the blog and the books the unvaccinated have much to fill in the day. Pity about the job.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:36am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Gold standard in irony you mean?
        
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        December 11, 2021 9:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That is also the problem with lockdowns.
    
    I’m pretty happy in my little bubble and have enough to keep me occupied without feeling any great need to be constantly socialising….but I don’t think I’m typical.
    
    I know one of my widowed neighbours can’t go a day without needing to visit one or more of her many friends. As she is currently unable to visit her children/grandchildren in Auckland and has had 3 flights to Auckland cancelled during the pandemic, she is often desperately lonely for company.
    She’s due to fly up there on the 17th and I”m hoping her “golden ticket” doesn’t turn to brass again.
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:57am
    - Taieri
      
      I’m pretty happy in my little bubble and have enough to keep me occupied
      —————
      
      I’m in a very similar position and having spent over 40 years at sea lockdowns don’t bother me much at all, apart from affecting my autonomy in making my own decisions. But I haven’t seen my son in 2 years and it doesn’t look like I’ll be able to see him anytime soon. And this does bother me a lot.
      
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      December 11, 2021 10:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But I haven’t seen my son in 2 years and it doesn’t look like I’ll be able to see him anytime soon. And this does bother me a lot
        
        Well, I try to keep this one at bay..
        
        I haven’t seen my youngest (apart from Skype) for 2 years and 3 months.
        
        I content myself that she is happy and healthy, but it is not nice realising that there is no reason why NZ should be placing quarantine/travel restrictions on fully vaccinated healthy folks.
        
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        December 11, 2021 3:53pm
  - artemisia
    
    Maybe the government could allow segregation in the workplace, separate entrances and supply ‘crime scene do not cross tape’ free of charge. Along with perspex screens and a phone on each side. I’m sure I’ve seen all those somewhere.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:03am
  - Maxx
    
    I have to wonder where there is no clear health & safety issue, or a legislative requirement, where this would stand in a dispute. I would imagine it should be a clear case of workplace discrimination, disadvantage, even bullying, and probably many others. But in this environment I could see the courts dismissing the law with “in the current environment…”.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:08am
  - krazykiwi
    
    As tragic as suicides are, and I mean in no way to trivialise them by way of comparison, the most ghastly tsunami is that of cardiac-related excess deaths. The UK data is very concerning, and anecdotal evidence from friends in the care sector here do nothing to allay my concerns.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:27am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    She made a bad choice. No different than if she drank too much Or leaked sensitive information to a competitor or whatever. And if she thinks the vaccine is worse for her than the vaccine well….
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:01pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      …vaccine is worse for her than depression…
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:11pm
- Yvette
  
  Lee C
  I too am afraid – afraid that you may be right.
  
  PS: Would the now de-platformed (we think it is) Hollywood movie “THEY ARE US” have ever explained what “US” are – Muslim, non-Muslim; Maori, non-Maori; now vaccinated, non-vaccinated; politically corrected, not so; Woke, common sense; elite, not so much; delivering in life, just making sloganised promises; following health advise, not so much but other agendas; or soon … healthy, or covidivided.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:35am
- artemisia
  
  Smart people will protect their own households so they do well regardless of politicians doing their best to drag them down. Starting with risk assessments, then a plan. Including risk assessment and a plan to make hay while there is almost no CGT.
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:09am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Clearly, you are afraid but don’t attribute your fear to others.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:12am
  - Lee C
    
    Yes Brian that is a stellar piece of advice.
    
    Thank you.
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:40am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Brian seems to always come up with insightful pearls of wisdom. I love reading his comments.
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:38pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  This simple graph of Swiss covid deaths shows how colossally stupid the western response to covid has been. Even before vaccination covid deaths were statistically unnoticeable in under 65’s and only only show up in older population. It’s almost entirely a disease of the old.
  
  https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1469076118036783110/photo/1
  
  Older and unwell population should have taken such measures as they wished to (self isolate etc if they wanted), but otherwise we should have ignored covid (eg be like Sweden). That is more true now since vaccines are available. The risk from covid is now totally irrelevant to normal healthy (sane) people, and there is no rational excuse for maintaining lockdowns and other measures given the economic and psychological harm they are doing.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Some more proper data analysis to help understand this clown show.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/graphical-deception-and-a-smoking
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:40pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The greatest reason to continue without these lockdowns must be the damage to freedom and commerce.
    
    I can live with the risk but my local store cannot. How can Queenstown survive? If it progressively closes what will be the hit on the country. They are massive foreign exchange earners and badly needed to maintain our imports. Rotorua has virtually been wiped out as a undesirable social housing centre.
    
    The costs of lock downs must measure the social costs and other costs resulting from delaying normal health maintenance. Waiting for a scan when bowel cancer is possible is a way of shortening lives. Add to that family anxiety and the costs enlarge enormously as these ancillaries bring further exponential effects.
    
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    December 11, 2021 1:07pm
- Fight4NZ
  
  Wow, you really maxed out on fear porn.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:56pm
Cinematic

I note that Stuffed is now referring to the Wellington Phoenix Men, Wellington Phoenix Chicks, A League Men, A League Chicks etc.

Presumably to not make this distinction is racist or whatever. Thank goodness we have Stuffed to guide us all to the promised land.

Stuff app deleted 8.15am, never to return.
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December 11, 2021 8:18am
- CrazyIvan
  
  Note that that are the offficial names of the competitions (A-League Men and A-League Women) since the start of the season after the clubs took over running the leagues and combined them under one branding (the A-Leagues). So it’s not a Stuff invention but reflecting the branding of the compeition
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:22am
Dr John

I read in this morning’s Herald about a teenage finalist [with a very Maori name] in the ‘2021 Our Heroes’ award who had this to say at the Glasgow COP Virtual Signalling Show :
“Two-hundred-fifty-two years ago invading forces sent by the ancestors of this presidency arrived at my ancestors’ territories, heralding an age of violence, murder and destruction,” India Logan-Riley told world leaders in Glasgow.
“Land in my region was stolen by the British Crown in order to extract oil and suck the land of all its nutrients while seeking to displace people.
“These historic forces continue to shape my life and have brought me here.”
Oh no! Those nasty European settlers were extracting oil 250 years ago? wonder where they got it from? There ain’t much there now.
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December 11, 2021 8:18am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The NZ branch of the Clan Logan and Clan Ross and named after a country that was Colonised by the Brits.
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:47am
- Bluegrass
  
  Re his first para, clearly English is his second language, as “heralding” doesn’t normally mean ‘bringing an end to’ [an age of violence etc].
  
  But there you go…
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:59am
cmm

Under the Level system, Level 4 was reserved for when the hospital systems were being overrun. We never got anywhere near that, but were plunged straight into Level 4.

Indeed, during the whole of the L4 lockdown last year, Christchurch hospital had at maximum 2 CV19 positives in hospital. Most of the time it it was zero or 1.

And here we are again with traffic lights:
* Green: No worries.
* Orange: Community transmissions are putting pressure on the health system.
* Red: Hospitalisation rates are unsustainable (ie. people lying on the floors).

We’re nowhere near red. We might only be near orange for one or two hospital zones, but even then it is a greenish orange.

But no, immediately to red for AKL etc and orange for the rest.

They have massively jumped the gun. Are they going to make up more colours if/when the shit really does hit the fan?

This is a bloody fraudulent system.
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December 11, 2021 8:22am
- Cinematic
  
  I reckon the Labour vote will be hovering early 30’s come the end of Summer. The game’s up but that bunch of fools can’t see it.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:27am
  - artemisia
    
    Maybe losing in 2023 is the plan. Time for a jolly good rest after all the delivery over the prior 6 years. Leave the next government to be the bad parent.
    
    It would be truly karmic if the next government had Labour led by the nose by the Greens.
    
    Air NZ would be making a big profit, though will need a strategy to cover the cost of empty planes returning for more pickups. And ‘tax the rich’ isn’t going to work. Just ask France.
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:00am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Thanks for the joke. My internal sources tell me Labour is around 49% now.
    
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    December 11, 2021 11:48am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yes we haven’t had a lot of sightings of ‘internal polling numbers’ or bigfoot or Nessie in the last year have we?
      
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      December 11, 2021 12:07pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Minus 49% more like.
      
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      December 11, 2021 1:09pm
    - gorse
      
      My sources tell me they are in the 30’s now and falling.
      
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      December 11, 2021 1:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Rapid flashing red = ‘bring out your dead, bring out your dead’
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Covid dead wouldn’t require much transportation.
    
    Brain dead would require cartage for most New Zealanders
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:34am
- Nickc2
  
  But it’s serving its purpose. The majority of people are now subservient to this Govt.
  
  Let’s face it, the Govt now controls where you go, who you can meet and talk to, where you can shop, when you can have a haircut, when you must disguise yourself in public, which pubs and clubs you can frequent, how many people can gather in any area and the list goes on and on and on ……
  
  IMO, no other Govt in NZ has ever been so successful in controlling its citizens.
  
  PS: Don’t get me started on the great racial divide, health and water FFS.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:45am
- MCōs
  
  “Level 4 was reserved for when the hospital systems were being overrun.”
  Wrong
  Level 4 was to nip covid-19 in the bud in NZ and thus prevent the hospital systems being overrun.
  The first implementation of Level 4 was 25-March 2020, and that’s what happened because there was high compliance.
  The second was a few months ago and because there wasn’t the same compliance it’s still around, but vaccines and improved treatment are keeping the numbers low, thus far.
  In both cases the hospital system wasn’t overrun.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Level 4 was for when there were widespread disease outbreaks through the country and health services needed to be reprioritised.
    
    http://www.ourhealthhb.nz/assets/CORONAVIRUS/COVID_Alert-levels_v2.pdf
    
    It is doubtful if NZ has ever needed to go beyond level 2.
    
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    December 11, 2021 3:45pm
- Yvette
  
  cmm – * Red: Hospitalisation rates are unsustainable (ie. people lying on the floors).
  
  I would just mention (again) that I spent six days, early August, in a main hospital and on two different days of those six, I heard nurses say the hospital had just gone “code red”, and when I said to one, “The curtains around the beds are not soundproof, what is code red?”, I was told “When we have more patients than the required number of staff to properly look after them.”
  There may have been some pressure of the peak of children’s respiratory illness at the time, but no covid.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Jacinda said “we are transitioning to the criteria”. She really said that. ?
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That is because we are all little children and can’t cope with change and the big nasty buggy world of Freedom without being carefully prepared for it by the KIND adults in our life.
    
    https://www.education.govt.nz/early-childhood/teaching-and-learning/transitions-in-early-learning/
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:09am
  - cmm
    
    Sounds much more scientific than “gonna get there sometime”.
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:13pm
- Maxx
  
  Also don’t forget that there is also no money for surgeries…
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:10am
- emmess
  
  I call it the Red-Light Green-Light system
  https://redlightgreenlight.games/
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  This is about politics, not the health system and certainly not about people’s health. We’ve been played and we’ve submitted to it all. That the PM could be such a bitch to a taxpayer asking a question tells us exactly what the game is.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:28am
- Brian McDonald
  
  It wouldn’t occur to you that the levels and traffic light system settings also consider other risks, with major emphasis on vaccination rates.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:29am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    It wouldn’t occur to you that the government ignored the advice of the ministry who actually consider the risks such as vaccination rates. I’d be interested in how you think the Labour cabinet know more than the Director General of health and his ministry on health matters.
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:18pm
  - cmm
    
    Nope Brian, that’s not what the Traffic Light system is supposed to be there for.
    
    The level is supposed to be set according to strict criteria for setting the levels based on levels of infection and how hospital capacity is threatened.
    
    Of course, Cindy has overruled the rules as she wants to coerce more people into vaccination and getting the Passport.
    
    The whole point of living in a parliamentary democracy is that we get to rule ourselves through parliament. What we have now is an autocracy where Cindy gets to decide based on her awesome inchewishun – ie. how her gut feels after eating a dodgy curry or if her shoes are pinching her toes.
    
    At least most royalty understand noblesse oblige – a concept foreign to Cindy.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/456303/explained-what-the-traffic-light-system-is-and-how-it-works
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:25pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Of course it’s fraudulent. The only things that matter to Labour are control, votes and other people’s money in that order. Their morals have to bend around that reality.
  
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  December 11, 2021 2:24pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu97-GODc7A

Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain, Episode 6 “Please Explain Politicians and Lies”.

This week we will be learning about what would happen if politicians were suddenly forced to tell the truth.
[2:02]
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December 11, 2021 8:23am
- Nickc2
  
  Wot? Politicians forced to tell the truth? Well, there goes Cindy riding off into the sunset!
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:17am
  - curry4me
    
    Nick2: Yes I wish there was someone here who could do similar videos.
    
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    December 11, 2021 5:40pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OxgCrtkAUc

Jinping’s diktat to his CCP colleagues.

The CCP is being openly defied by the people of China. And with one year to go before Xi Jinping seeks re-election as China’s president, these are not good signs. [6:32]
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December 11, 2021 8:23am
Chuck Bird

Very positive event yesterday in Morrinsville with Christopher Luxon speaking and meeting with the members after. The party is invigorated.
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December 11, 2021 8:23am
- pdm
  
  How many there Chuck – TV1 news said 200 I think and it looked more than that.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:39am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Definately more than 200.
    
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    December 11, 2021 11:12am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Don’t leftie hacks delight in saying that the National Party has no relevance in contemporary aotearoa…?
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:49am
  - lifesgood
    
    Suze: But heaps of relevance in New Zealand.
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:23pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    The more irrelevant for them the better
    
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    December 11, 2021 5:47pm
- curry4me
  
  Chuck Bird: I hope he comes to Christchurch for a walkabout.
  
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  December 11, 2021 5:41pm
G152

Well they are going to stop the tobacco smokers.
Good thing they legalised marijuana.
Do those clowns actually know how their well felt inanities will affect real people
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December 11, 2021 8:25am
- Ra Henare
  
  Dont let facts get in the way huh
  “”they legalised marijuana””
  yea right
  
  NO THEY DIDNT!!
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:40am
I remember when

Ardern: Omicorn ‘inevitable’ but it won’t mean more lockdowns:
Obviously the science.
Boris in the UK which has Omicorn has signalled he may introduce one, while Jacinda in New Zealand, which doesn’t have Omicorn, knows she will not.
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December 11, 2021 8:26am
- Albert_Ross
  
  So do you think she should?
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s the problem for liars, they need a very good memory to remember all the shit that came out of their mouth. Ardern has spewed enough to solve the current world fertiliser shortages in an instant.
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:50pm
Chris2

Julian Assange is now good to go for one-way trip to US justice. Are you reading this Kim Dotcom?

“Two of the country’s most senior judges have concluded there is nothing in law to stop the UK sending Julian Assange to America.

In line with previous cases, the Lord Chief Justice and Lord Justice Holroyde ruled that when the US administration gives a promise to the UK of fair and humane treatment of a detainee, its word should not be doubted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59608641
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December 11, 2021 8:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The UK has blotted its copybook. Once it was a model of justice. The treatment of Assange in Belmarsh is torture.
  
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  December 11, 2021 1:14pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The overturned decision was hung on a poor peg. The real reason to deny extradition is because Assagne was acting as a publisher and entitled to journalistic privilege. The problem for British courts is that there is no similar protection for journalists in the UK which had always had a draconian Official Secrets law.
  
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  December 11, 2021 2:30pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Was he entitled to English torture too?
    
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    December 11, 2021 6:21pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I believe the quid pro quo was that, if convicted in the US, Julian will be able to serve his sentence in Australia.
  
  So, no SuperMax for Julian. No word on whether Christmas Is is an option.
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:12pm
Paulus

Can we assume that the No Ciggy Smoking legislation will of course include Wakky Baccy of all genres ?
Sorry Swarbrick but you lost.
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December 11, 2021 8:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ardern: Omicron inevitable but it won’t mean more lockdowns.
Watch the word soup when this turns out to be another blatant lie.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/omicron-inevitable-but-it-won-t-mean-more-lockdowns-ardern/ar-AARGTxc?
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December 11, 2021 8:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If Omicron becomes dominant but only causes mild illness that is great. Why would Jacinda lock us down? Oh yes because if Omicron races through New Zealand, makes everyone off colour for a week, and provides long lasting immunity, it is game over. No more closed borders, no vaccine passes no nothing.
  
  And that is a political nightmare for Jacinda. No COVID will mean that people might finally focus on the dozens of shit fest policies that are brewing.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:48am
  - Cinematic
    
    Fancy a virus following the very well trodden path of all viruses from mildly contagious and relatively serious to very contagious and mild!!
    
    Who would have been able to predict such a thing!? Pfizer et al have made gazillions tinkering at the edges whilst nature has marched on as it always has.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:13am
  - David George
    
    Chris Trotter agrees:
    “How eagerly the Prime Minister must be awaiting medical science’s final judgement on the Omicron Variant. The worse, the better.”
    https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-smooth-performance.html
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:26am
  - amospicton
    
    I wonder how she honestly feels about the prospect of the ‘crisis’ ending? Can she spin it as a great success or does she realise it will reveal that the empress has no clothes?
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:56am
  - Ruahine
    
    Why would she Benedict?
    Because she can. That appears to be all that matters to her.
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:00am
  - Taieri
    
    Why would Jacinda lock us down?
    —————-
    
    Because she CAN!
    
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    December 11, 2021 10:07am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We must be locked down to satisfy Fauci’s 4 vacc profit share. Much more important than a mild tired day.
    
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    December 11, 2021 1:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why would she lock us down again? Not just because she can, but because she wants to regain the socialist control
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:30pm
- [email protected]
  
  Since everyone flying into New Zealand has to be fully vaccinated, the Omicron virus will have no chance of getting onto New Zealand.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:54am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    LOL (I am assuming you omitted the /S) Vaccines offer little protection from Omicron infection.
    
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    December 11, 2021 11:03am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I think the /s is definitely implied…
      
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      December 11, 2021 11:51am
Captain Mainwaring

Has anyone else heard the story that Wonder Woman has made a shitload of money out of Bitcoin?
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December 11, 2021 8:42am
- Lee C
  
  Like I say Captain.
  
  Follow the money.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  No but net worth of $30M has been heard.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:57am
- Don Beckett
  
  I heard some gossip yesterday that says that Jabinda was not wealthy when she entered parliament, but now possesses $25 mil. in her bank account.
  I’m a bit skeptical and just put it out there – but who knows? $25mil bribe from Pfiser et al is nothing compared to the hay they’re making, just out of NZ.
  Who knows?
  Remember, the difference between a conspiracy theory & the Truth is 3 – 6 months.
  
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  December 11, 2021 8:59am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    She didn’t get $25m by being on a 500K salary for four years.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:08am
    - mandk
      
      And nor did Joe Bidrn accumulate a $50 million fortune from his salary as a career long politician.
      
      US political salaries are low.
      
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      December 11, 2021 9:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      This merits IRD review as to whether the increase arises from taxable income.
      Has she been speculating?
      Is it possible that some external parties have shown their appreciation of her?
      
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      December 11, 2021 1:20pm
      - RichardX
        
        Your gullibility is astonishing.
        
        Do you believe every claim you read on the internet without being able to independently verify the claim?
        
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        December 12, 2021 12:45am
  - amospicton
    
    As you suspect Don that’s just BS. I used to work for a very wealthy family and I can tell you that the rich list is laughably wrong so this will be the same. It’s very hard to know. But there’s no way she could be worth that much.
    
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    December 11, 2021 9:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trouble commenting on this.
    4 times my text has disappeared before completion.
    Who is protecting her?
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Attempt number 5.
    She has been clever with investments in private businesses.
    She also has no idea of money, and uses a roving decimal point.
    If a fact checker opines this is false, it is probably true.
    
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    December 11, 2021 3:42pm
- Nickc2
  
  HEAR YE….HEAR YE
  
  The PM is now a Capitalist. That’ll sit well with her devotees.
  BTW, that’s Tax-Free, isn’t it?
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Speculative gains on bitcoin may not be.
    
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    December 11, 2021 1:25pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Thanks for that Kev. When the Govt comes for their Capital Gains Tax as a result of the sale of my house, I can declare it was purely a Speculative gain by timely investment (30+ years ago).
      
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      December 11, 2021 1:46pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Bitcoin is different to real estate. They have covered specifically in the “Bright Line Test”.
        
        To tax bit coin they have to show the gain arises in the production of assessable income. An isolated gain is probably outside that scope. A series of bets on bitcoin, say 6 over 6 months, suggests that a way of producing income may be underway.
        
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        December 11, 2021 6:31pm
- Matt Long
  
  It’s highly unlikely that a Company like Pfizer would grease the wheels of commerce in a way that would become public knowledge. More likely just great portfolio returns like H Clinton
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What portfolios yield such gains?
    
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    December 11, 2021 6:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Breaking: Christmas has now been moved to January 9th because Santa will have to quarantine when he arrives
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December 11, 2021 8:45am
- sooty
  
  But wouldn’t he go into the five star MIQ, that sports people, entertainers and rich pepole use?
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:06am
- TheNecroposter
  
  Update: Santa turns radical anti-vaxxer, says screw border
  
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  December 11, 2021 2:54pm
  - TheNecroposter
    
    Update from PM: Cr*p
    
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    December 11, 2021 4:25pm
I remember when

MOH Annual Drinking-water Quality Report 2019-20:
* Supplies that met all standards for drinking-water quality increased to 78.6%.
* Supplies that complied with their duties under the Health Act 1956, having water safety plans, monitoring drinking-water and protecting drinking-water sources – 96.7%
This was a decrease of 0.5% due to a more stringent audit by assessors.

Wow. Better let the government take over. That 3.3% improvement is vitual if we are to prevent a disaster.
Incidently, Havelock North met its water safety plans it was administration oversight.
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December 11, 2021 8:47am
I remember when

Hold on – Colonialisation may not be all bad after all.
Maori approach Waitangi Tribunal (another Colonial Institution) about covid vaccinations.
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December 11, 2021 8:52am
KevO'Brien

The Min of Tourism closes down NZ :
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/prospect-year-no-tourists-devastating

Future MP’s will have to be selected on the basis of proven ability measured by wealth. (That is if there is any NZ left after this gobblement.)

Killing off our industry groups by an amateur govt is not acceptable. They have a duty to promote the development of NZ and its society. There can be no excuse for their bumbling idiocy and losses caused. The French knew that a ruler who failed the people deserved the strongest punishment. Political power is not just for the fun and personal gain of MP’s its intended for the maintenance and development of the nation through executive action.

If MP’s cannot perform that basic task they must take the consequences. The people cannot allow more, even if the MP’s solemnly believe their actions are proper. Their failure is sufficient. Not being able to perform to the required standard from the outset is a fraud on the electors.
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December 11, 2021 8:55am
- sooty
  
  They should have some kind of penalty placed on them for supping in the trough and getting so bloody fat!
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:09am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Bear in mind that fatness is a comorbidity. Covid might yet bite them in the bum.
    
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    December 11, 2021 6:18pm
Marcus Vinicius

Covid lockdowns leading to late diagnosis of cancer.

Hardly surprising but still concerning.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/coronavirus-lockdowns-leading-to-late-diagnosis-of-cancers.html
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December 11, 2021 9:02am
I remember when

Vaccine Passports in Wellington Regional Councils:
Porirua:
Required at all indoor council facilities including pools, libraries and council offices. Not at Landfill, playgrounds, parks, courts or the Splash Pad.
Wellington:
Certificates required at 75 public-facing council sites.
Parks, playgrounds, exteriors and public toilets will operate with QR code scanning and mask wearing.
Kapiti:
Passes required for all libraries, pools, community halls and venues.
Hutt City:
Vaccine passes for pools, gyms, libraries, museums and hubs.

Upper Hutt:
Vaccine passes are not required, except for visitors to the arts and event centre.

Will those rate-payers who have not been vaccinated get a rates credit for their loss of use of facilities.
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December 11, 2021 9:07am
- Fletch
  
  As I posted late yesterday, an Auckland lawyer is saying businesses should ignore the vaccine mandates around having their workers jabbed and just open up.
  
  Auckland lawyer Liz Lambert tells host Grant Edwards that employers should ignore the mandates for employees to be vaxxed and just open up. Worksafe have no power to enforce any of it and looks like they could be sued in a class action suit. Clause 9 (in whatever govt edict enforces all this) says that employers can hold onto staff if the staff are important, and no one in Govt need to be informed about it. An “order” has the status of a regulation and in no way trumps contract and employment law.
  
  Just go and open up.
  
  Listen from about 9 mins onwards.
  
  https://open.spotify.com/episode/64QOKUCOnBCp63Nofh9NIc
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Good. We need the lawyers to revolt or encourage it.
    I suspect a lot of legal thin ice.
    
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    December 11, 2021 1:29pm
Truman lodge

With the whole tobacco ban proposal why are the govt not being pushed on weed legalisation that they wanted? I always new they would contradict themselves on this.

It seems the left with their banning it is not the answer it’s about education only applies to things they like. Remember the proposed fat tax on junk food? I argued with a lefty that banning junk food will send it underground and the mongrel mob will have sugar houses to sell Donuts and pies. Bags of sweets for kids instead of weed.
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December 11, 2021 9:10am
Jack5

The seafarers who post regularly on Kiwiblog can probably elaborate on this …

Special chaos in international shipping is coming from stranded vessels flying “flags of convenience” – like that of Africa’s Sierra Leone. Crews are locked aboard ships far from home unpaid and frequently in danger of starvation.

The Wall Street Journal reports this effect of the change in international shipping since the end of World War 2, when half the world’s merchant ships flew the Union Jack.

Three countries’ flags alone today account for 40 per cent of international sea cargo: Panama, Liberia, and the Marshall Islands, but Third World countries everywhere are competing by offering less regulation and supervision, and lower costs. Landlocked Mongolia is among the latest to offer a flag of convenience to ship owners.

Since 2013, governments that signed the Maritime Labour Convention are supposed to retain insurance for ship abandonment. When they do, insurance companies usually give sailors four months wages and a ticket home.

In practice, says the Wall Street Journal, owners often stop paying their premiums as soon as they get their flags, according to the International Transport Workers’ Federation. Flag countries are then supposed to delist the ship, but in practice they often don’t.

The union says a third of nearly 400 ships flying the flag of the West African country, Togo, lack insurance, according to the ITF. Togo-registered ships are among those most likely to be abandoned.

A Panamanian-flagged cargo ship, owned in the United Arab Emirates, ran aground on a beach in Umm Al Quwain emirate, a weekend getaway spot outside Dubai, the newspaper reports.

The crew had been living aboard the abandoned ship for four years before a storm broke its anchor line and sent it adrift.
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December 11, 2021 9:11am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Jack 5
  
  50 years ago when I first went to sea there were basically 3 Flags of Convenience. 2 biggies Panama and Liberia and a smaller one Honduras.
  
  However after the late 70’s there was a proliferation of these and the biggest is now the Marshall Islands followed by Malta.
  
  However, every man and his dog got in on the act and there has been a proliferation of 2nd and 3rd grade FoCs. Togo, Mongolia, Cook Islands etc etc.
  
  This results in abandonment of ships and crews, poor working conditions etc etc.
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:53am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Mongolia? that’s pretty funny. The nearest Mongolia gets to the sea is 700km.
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:12pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Bang on Jack.
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:55am
- Reid
  
  The way it works Jack is that Admiralty Law applies when a ship is sailing in international waters. Admiralty Law aka the law of the sea, is the legal system that applies when a ship is not subject to the laws of any particular country, which it is when it enters a country’s territorial waters: i.e. normally the 100 mile limit. So when a ship enters our territorial waters, it is subject to our pollution laws, our labour laws, all our laws, until it leaves our territorial waters, at which point Admiralty Law kicks in.
  
  Admiralty Law says that the legal framework which applies to a ship in international waters is the law of the land in the country where the ship is registered. Starting to get it? It’s a racket, just like the tax haven countries are a racket.
  
  Poor countries like Liberia deliberately design their pollution laws, their labour laws, etc, to suit the needs of the international shipping companies.
  
  One of the main benefits to the shipping companies is this gives them the ability to use bunker oil. Bunker oil is the cheapest, dirtiest byproduct of the petroleum refining process and most countries round the world won’t allow it be used in their territories because of the emissions it produces. But flag of convenience country’s pollution laws do allow it to be used. But of course, only in international waters.
  
  But that alone saves ship owners billions a year, and we haven’t even discussed their labour laws.
  
  That’s why.
  
  Amazing isn’t it, the lefties haven’t caught on and started bringing it to us like they have chicken farming. Given how “urgent” the climate “crisis” is, you’d think one or two of em would. But apparently not. Wonder why /sarc.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:02am
krazykiwi

“A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves”

True, that.
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December 11, 2021 9:12am
Maggy Wassilieff

Nicole Mckee on thugs gangs.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-gun-lobbyist-mp-looking-to-wipe-out-the-gangs
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December 11, 2021 9:15am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggy, thank you for providing that link.
  I have read many pieces about Act politicians and the journalists almost always have an underhand swipe at them. This article was different.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They’ve try to belittle her…but she’s not ashamed of her skills with spinning, knitting and cross-stitch.
    
    What other top level sportswoman in NZ would have her achievements in her sporting field relegated to near the bottom of an article?
    
    Nicole McKee is not a pro-gun nut; she’s a leading expert on firearm safety and was a top-level sports shooter.
    
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    December 11, 2021 3:32pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s an article in the DP waxing lyrical about Copenhagen’s wonderful communal living & bicycles; & how much Wellington can learn & apply in its civic planning. Of course, the article overlooks topography, wind & earthquakes.

Sadly, a former Copenhagen city planner is now Wellington’s manager of city design & place planning. The blinkered views of those who hold such positions may be seen in the Let’s Get Wellington Moving & other Council initiatives. They completely overlook how the locals vote in their actions.

People want the convenience of cars & spend significant money in buying, fuelling & maintaining them. Why not give them what they want, instead of forcing on them an ideology brought from another place that has limited local relevance?
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December 11, 2021 9:17am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  As long as they are only doing it to dumb-arsed wellington voters (who deserve what they get) I don’t really mind
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:14pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You’ve obviously never been to Christchurch. Or Auckland. Or anywhere that imposes foreign ideology against the wishes of many/ most locals.
    
    Sounding familiar yet?
    
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    December 11, 2021 6:24pm
Alan Wilkinson

I don’t think journalism has ever failed this country so badly in my lifetime. This Government would not have been able to act so disastrously with better journalism and MSM.

And to put it bluntly we would not have lost so many freedoms had women not come to dominate public life in media, politics and judiciary. Jacinda is in power because of the female vote.
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December 11, 2021 9:19am
- Diogenes
  
  Talking today to a friend who has a son who has worked many years in the MSM. Says many journalists are leaving because of the way the industry is going. Glad to hear that some still have standards.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:29am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Women are the majority in NZ, 100:96 F:M and are far more left leaning than men in general (due to preferences relating to raising kids and tertiary education). This will result in ever leftwards drift and most likely eventual economic/political wrecking of NZ Venezuela style. There is probably nothing you can do about it.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:38am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Urn: Thankfully I know a lot of women who don’t fit the profile. Phew!
    
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    December 11, 2021 7:27pm
- Fletch
  
  Not to mention Helen Clark. Jacinda is only finishing the job she started.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:28am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Must tell you the Blokes at Bowls are not much better
    
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    December 11, 2021 1:07pm
- bythesea
  
  I wish the ones who are leaving would set themselves up on substack and publish themselves.
  
  Someone like Martin van Beynen (sp?) was very good. He left the Press a year or two ago I think.
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:33pm
Master Mariner

Royal Commission. I certainly hope so.

“There can be no doubt New Zealand’s handling of the pandemic justifies the same attention. It has overshadowed everything in the past two years, and no New Zealander has been untouched by it in some way.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/457653/nz-needs-a-royal-commission-into-its-covid-19-response
Will it happen ?

Regarding Seafarers is a good article from Insurers Lloyds.
https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL1139237/Shipping-urged-to-end-human-rights-abuses

FWIW my inbox is filled with Shipping casualties and Insurance claims and incidents etc.
Basically wrong people to wrong job due to COVID crew change restrictions etc. I.e You would’nt get a Green MP taking a Forklift instead of a bike of which they are familiar to Hospital without a high chance of an incident. Same rule applies to Shipping.

And Ill post again how NZ is relatively the only country “stopping” there seafarers from entering NZ.
https://www.ejiltalk.org/discriminating-against-υour-own-nationals-the-peculiar-case-of-new-zealand-seafarers/

In addition , Contrary to whats written locally, There is still no sign of supply chains easing.

Don’t need me to tell you again, But costs are here to stay for imported goods.
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December 11, 2021 9:19am
- Master Mariner
  
  Whoops , Royal Commission link from RNZ.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/457653/nz-needs-a-royal-commission-into-its-covid-19-response
  
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  December 11, 2021 9:21am
- Taieri
  
  And Ill post again how NZ is relatively the only country “stopping” there seafarers from entering NZ.
  https://www.ejiltalk.org/discriminating-against-υour-own-nationals-the-peculiar-case-of-new-zealand-seafarers/
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  I’ve been at the receiving end of this policy. Thanks for the link.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:30am
SpencerArnold

Interesting to note on the BFD that Cam Slater has uncovered the fact that the police are surveilling his website due to the fact that they “denigrate labour party policies and individuals” and disseminate “disinformation”. Now I know Slater can be a pain and a bit up-himself but it makes me wonder what will happen if David produces statistical figures here that do not match the governments?
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December 11, 2021 9:23am
- Swifty
  
  So under this government friendly media are given $100 million pots to sup from whereas unfriendly media are ‘surveilled and targeted’ by our police force.
  
  Got it.
  
  It will be interesting to see what coverage this item will receive from the ‘friendly’ news media organisations, if at all.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:14am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Of course, you’ve seen the proof of that?
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:43am
  - rangitoto
    
    The proof is in an OIA response.
    
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    December 11, 2021 11:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Brian, take a look at the link provided by Ruahine @ 10:24AM. The video tells the truth, it’s happening FFS.
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I was interested in Benedict Yu’s comment above that Chinese don’t do sarcasm….

I do hope they understand our ambiguity and contradiction, because the time may come when they don’t.

Ambiguity and contradiction over China have been hallmarks of New Zealand’s foreign policy throughout 2021.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/457681/geoffrey-miller-china-strategy-dominates-new-zealand-s-foreign-policy-year
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December 11, 2021 9:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes they are very good at ambiguity. And irony.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

We are now living in a Monty Python skit. The loopy left have gone full retard.
https://rumble.com/vq2oh7-42-years-ago-this-hilariously-predicted-the-insanity-of-the-modern-left.html?
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December 11, 2021 9:35am
Nickc2

An Official Information Act communication reveals that Police and their intelligence units are “scanning and targeting” political opinions, and marking people and their organisations as suspect dissidents who “warrant a visit”.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/12/11/police-admit-to-surveilling-the-bfd/

Believe it or not?
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December 11, 2021 9:35am
- Ruahine
  
  I believe it.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-JV6AMShFQ&ab_channel=TerryOpines
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:24am
- David Garrett
  
  Nickc: Shit, this is very concerning. Given that part of Slater’s “crime” is apparently opposition to Muslim immigration, I must logically conclude that I am being watched as well. I know that when the mosque attacks happened, DPF came under considerable pressure from persons unknown to me to take down my piece – published here a couple of years earlier – entitled ” A case for the immediate cessation of Muslim immigration” To David’s great credit, he refused.
  
  While I of course am of the same view as every other decent person regarding the mosque attacks, I remain firmly of the view that Muslim immigration is a grave threat to the peace and stability of our country.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:16am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    You should have a read of this then, How Civil Wars Start – France
    
    Furthermore, nobody apparently has much confidence that laïcité – the system of secularism imposed at the turn of the last century to topple the Catholic Church from its position of cultural and educational dominance – will also tame Islam.
    
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    December 11, 2021 12:06pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Me too.
    
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    December 11, 2021 1:34pm
Maggie Pie

High Court in the UK delivers Julian Assange early Xmas Present…

An ORANGE JUMPSUIT

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1469254580374577155
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December 11, 2021 9:41am
- Cassandra
  
  Only briefly, Maggie, he’ll be transported to the penal colony straight after sentence.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:05am
- sooty
  
  Can they swing by and pickup the fat crim as well!
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Dems want to silence him. Keep Hillary far away
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:38am
Rusty

At what traffic light colour/level do we no longer have to wear masks?

Can you imagine people in supermarkets or other enclosed places at the height of a steaming hot summer having to wear masks?

Its dangerous!
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December 11, 2021 9:53am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner’s mum remembers the days when people burnt their bra’s.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:44am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Only women burnt them in my day, Maggie.
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:14pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      😆 😆
      
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      December 11, 2021 4:54pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Although I do know some blokes who should be wearing them 🙂
        
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        December 11, 2021 4:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    At my first job interview for the NZ Public Service I was specifically asked if I was a feminist.
    
    I assured my all male interviewers that I would be wearing a brassiere to work each day.
    
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    December 11, 2021 3:17pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I still hate wearing a bra Maggs.
      Luckily I’ve never really needed to.
      Some guys find it a real a turn-on.
      My partner used to say dating me was fun. He got a comedian, a mental patient, and a porn-star, all in one 😛
      
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      December 11, 2021 3:34pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Assuming Maggie, that – no kids, no sag. 🙂
        
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        December 11, 2021 4:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Unlike the wicked lie that was published on this blog about the size of my mammary glands, I am not ashamed to acknowledge that my breasts are decidedly average.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/new-map-compares-breast-sizes-around-the-world/3SAZEPGVXAOO3XQZAHXFTT2MHE/
        
        (but definitely yummy…going by the years it took to wean my babes).
        
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        December 11, 2021 4:58pm
Fletch

More propaganda on the radio. I just listened to the latest news report on NewstalkZB and they were talking up the govt’s purchase of antiviral drugs from Pfizer, due next month, while poo-pooing Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. They had a quote from Chief Science Advisor at the MOH, a Dr Town who said that ivermectin wasn’t very effective which is why they aren’t using it, plus it can have “some very nasty side effects”. Really? Since when? Every drug has side effects but Ivermectin is one of the safest treatments out there. Much safer than the Pfizer vaccine, for sure. Oh, and he also said hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work at all.

Again, this is total propaganda. We in NZ are being denied a cheap, safe, effective drug because it suits the govt to have it that way. It’s probably part of the deal they made with Pfizer, not to promote any other treatment.
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December 11, 2021 10:04am
Prince

1) Labour Govt pours borrowed money into the economy throughout 2020/2021.
2) Average house price increases over $200,000 2021 to 2020.
3) Ardern wants house prices to decrease in 2022.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/457683/ardern-wants-runaway-increases-in-house-price-growth-to-stop-in-2022
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyL9cdXqXtE
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December 11, 2021 10:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern and Labour are hopeless at economics.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:40am
chukar

Last week Parliament unanimously passed a bill allowing birth certificates gender to be “ adjustable “ to fit whatever the person desired.
On the face of it a user friendly out come.
But there are a number of reasons it was wrong.
(1)The fact remains that at the almost absolute majority of births nature has equipped the child for one particular gender.
(2) The reality is that at birth in the first hours of life no child has any idea of what they will feel post puberty.
(3)This should not be a choice for parents or carers.
(4) A birth certificate should just reflect the condition at the time of birth.
If later in life a person wishes to change gender,a new certificate could be issued, with their life history and recording the date of gender change.
The issue now is that Government has passed a law that is not based on truth or facts.
That is bad law.
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December 11, 2021 10:10am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It renders your birth certificate and all forms of identification meaningless re sex. This is a bizarre consequence for everyone to placate a minute minority.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:18am
- Bob
  
  Communist governments do not pas laws based on truth or fact. There is only one criteria…IDEOLGY
  
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  December 11, 2021 2:59pm
Reid

Was just last night re-watching this classic vid of Jordan Peterson utterly destroying his feminist interlocutor. It was done before he got that disease, and it shows him at his most penetrating and brilliant.

Posted for all his fans on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYQpge1W5s
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December 11, 2021 10:26am
Maggie Pie

It’s amazing the number of people you come across these days who obviously underwent a personality-bypass at birth.
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December 11, 2021 10:34am
Monique Watson

Anyone else checked out the latest adverse events reports from Medsafe: Pfizer vaccine: https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-37.asp

And yet the government persists in taking away freedoms and punishing people for not getting vaccinated.
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December 11, 2021 10:35am
- mandk
  
  I took a look, and it left me wondering if there could be a host of people who have undiagnosed myocarditis and pericarditis.
  
  Would they necessarily know?
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you were otherwise healthy and developed pericarditis, you sure know something is wrong.
    
    A classic symptom is that you have chest pain (or heaviness) when lying down and this symptom is relieved if you sit up, lean forward.
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:10pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, 117 vaccine deaths.
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:08pm
Opie

Saw an article on stuff saying how Fiji is proof that vaccination works and how they prevented 4-5000 deaths as predicted by “experts”. No mention of vacc rates In the article to back this up.

Looking at the cases graph it shows a tall peak similar to most other countries (including here) with a delta wave pre summer dropping down to nothing now.

The so called magic rate of vaccination? 62%. No more restrictions, just getting on with it.

Looks to me more like the virus doing what the virus does, seasonal waves of increased transmission and reduced fatality rates.

Who would have thought it.
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December 11, 2021 10:38am
- NoFax
  
  Auckland is almost 90% double dosed and we are at so called “red light”. None of these make sense.
  
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  December 11, 2021 3:34pm
kevn

@Maggie… plus the folk with a declining IQ post c19. The ones driving with masks on, riding bicycles with masks on, walking in isolated areas with masks on. With a holier than thou look.
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December 11, 2021 10:46am
- NoFax
  
  I saw a couple driving with masks on – both masks below their noses.
  
  It’s almost surrealist performance theater.
  
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  December 11, 2021 3:35pm
Jade Warrior

Oh please, this is just ridiculous. The Dear Leader speaks! And of course it’s not paywalled either. Doesn’t the NZ Herald realise how stupid they look in their abject sycophancy? Are they really that reliant on public funding from the public interest journalism fund?

Warning: you may have difficulty keeping your breakfast/lunch down if you click on this link:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jacinda-ardern-on-christmas-covid-vaccines-and-movies-die-hard-home-alone-and-love-actually/TDZHYPP2PBZ7YBIVJPIQYQCOHQ/

Yippie ki-yay everyone! Enjoy your weekend. ?
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December 11, 2021 10:53am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The title sufficed as it does for most Herald articles.
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:21am
- Nickc2
  
  1.5 minutes was enough for me!!!
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:21am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Better than me. 20 seconds. ?
    
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    December 11, 2021 8:57pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not a Bad Santa fan. No surprises there.
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:32pm
Maggie Pie

‘The key reason Auckland was kept for suxh a prolonged period at Alert levels 3 & 4 was because of the slow rate of vaccination uptake by Maori’

– Jack Lame 1ZB
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December 11, 2021 11:25am
Chuck Bird

Does anyone know for sure if Eli Epiha had a first strike warning before the murder?
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December 11, 2021 11:39am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

This is very worrying….

Reuters reporting that hackers have taken down Brazil’s MOH platform containing all vaccination data and health information of Brazilians.

Could it happen here? 🙁
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December 11, 2021 11:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A working group is investigating on how it was done
  
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  December 11, 2021 11:45am
Fletch

Facebook admits in court that its “fact checks” are mere opinion so they cannot be sued over them..

In its response to Stossel’s defamation claim, Facebook responds on Page 2, Line 8 in the court document (download it below) that Facebook cannot be sued for defamation (which is making a false and harmful assertion) because its ‘fact checks’ are mere statements of opinion rather than factual assertions.

Opinions are not subject to defamation claims, while false assertions of fact can be subject to defamation.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/12/09/bombshell-in-court-filing-facebook-admits-fact-checks-are-nothing-more-than-opinion/

The court document – https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Facebook-admits-its-fact-check-is-opinion-page-2.pdf

One wonders how they can assert that a “fact check” (the operative word being fact) is now just their opinion.
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December 11, 2021 12:05pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Looks a losing argument unless there were no facts checked in which case the fact check was merely political fraud.
  
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  December 11, 2021 12:57pm
- NoFax
  
  I’m sure the US has an equivalent section 9 of the Fair Trading Act. No business may engage in “misleading or deceptive conduct”. Calling “opinion checkers” “fact checkers” seems very clear deceptive conduct. What Facebook is saying is that they don’t want an opinion on its site and lying saying it’s about facts. A $100 billion fine might be in order.
  
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  December 11, 2021 3:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yet another assault on the English language
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:36pm
- alloytoo
  
  Didn’t NYT try this with Project Veritas, as I recall it didn’t go down well.
  
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  December 11, 2021 10:19pm
Bridgenag

What happened to Doomfield? He has gone back to the gubbermint rhetoric……….Did he get get a pay rise? Looked very happy in the 3 seconds I allow myself on MSM. Back in the fold with Cindy and Hippie loving him again…//
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December 11, 2021 12:05pm
RW Capitalist

Got my “Vaccine Passport”, against my will.
Not so I could get a haircut, go to a sit down restaurant.
But because one of my key customers (an international corporation) , demanded it, to allow access to their site.
The lunacy is rampant.
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December 11, 2021 12:20pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  BTW did anyone else notice, the vaccine pass has an expiry date…mines 1/6/22.
  Kept that quiet, didn’t they.
  
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  December 11, 2021 4:59pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yeah, that’s a bugger
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:37pm
Maggie Pie

And something else that REALLY gets our f**ing goat….

new immigrants talking in their own language 🙁

CASE IN POINT –

https://twitter.com/BehrouzBoochani/status/1469270417592311813
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December 11, 2021 12:45pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Look like he has won Lotto/NZ.
  
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  December 11, 2021 2:15pm
- Bluegrass
  
  I don’t do any social media such as Twitter, so therefore I couldn’t read the link and thus I don’t quite get your context here – but I assume you are being flippant.
  
  I say this because my wife’s parents were WW2 refugees from Eastern Europe and were allocated to a country town here in the States where refugees were initially treated as pariahs.
  
  Which I guess one can understand as locals often don’t like strangers, let alone foreigners – especially back then.
  
  And if she, as a little primary school kid, spoke Polish in the bus or the local shops to her then non-English-speaking mother, she was often abused by the locals.
  
  To quote you – just saying.
  
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  December 11, 2021 2:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I sort of hear what you’re saying Bluegrass.
    It’s just you’re talking about things that happened long before most people were even born.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    December 11, 2021 2:53pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Please – enough of the facile sophistry. I’m talking about your comment “And something else that REALLY gets our f**ing goat….new immigrants talking in their own language”.
      
      You made that comment today,dear lady. That comment presumably applies right now – not about things which happened long ago.
      
      You sort of tried to hit the ball over the net – but you got aced.
      
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      December 11, 2021 4:06pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Goodness. No need for abuse 🙁
        (Refer my earlier comment above @10.34 am.)
        
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        December 11, 2021 5:12pm
      - Bluegrass
        
        To MP – Abuse? You deflected and I called you out on it.
        
        You might want to get some medical attention for your glass jaw.
        
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        December 12, 2021 11:34am
- MCōs
  
  Whitey in foreign countries are called ‘ex-Pat’ amongst each other although they are really immigrants.
  I never met any that had any intention of using the local language in conversation with non locals or with locals if if they could possibly avoid it.
  Furthermore.
  New arrivals knew far more than the locals what was wrong with their country.
  
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  December 11, 2021 3:46pm
lifesgood

Things I don’t understand 1. why you are required to both scan in AND show your vax cert? 2. Why are the vaccinated terrified of the unvaccinated, shouldn’t it be the other way round? 3. Why are we still having to put up with Cinderella and her band of useless outcasts? 4. Why do the moronic insist on wearing masks when out in the fresh air?5. Why are so many NZers complying with these ridiculous rules and regulations? Note: I have never scanned but have shown my vax cert in order to get a haircut and a coffee.
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December 11, 2021 12:54pm
Maggie Pie

TBH, I’ve got no sympathy whatsoever with the Anti-Waxxers.
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December 11, 2021 1:23pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wax should not be applied too hot.
  
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  December 11, 2021 1:38pm
Tauhei Notts

Cactus Kate reports that the Waitangi Tribunal have advised that Maori children will have priority when the Covid-19 vaccine is available to young children.
Well,,, we have four grand children aged under six; two of them will be able access vaccines next year. The other two will have to wait until 2023.
Why?
The two who live near Marsden Point, the parents of whom have a Ph.D. and an M.Sc., have a one sixteenth touch of the tar brush. The two who live near Warkworth don’t.
If you think that is fair, then I hope all your cabbages rot.
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December 11, 2021 2:17pm
- surfing
  
  Its the same with university degrees.
  
  Rich white parents are using the sun coloured skin advantage to get their kids of lessor intelligence (even not much intelligence at all) to queue jump the smarter harder working kids.
  
  I know, because some in my family are doing this. I’m sure my sister married a maori fellah for the huge advantages she now gets for her kid. She has gone full on woke since, accuses everyone of being a racist and so on.
  
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  December 11, 2021 2:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Time to wind the Waitangi Tribunal up.
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:34pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I hope my cabbages do rot, though not for the same reason. Definitely missable vegetables.
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This guy is an Alaskan posing as a Texan.
https://www.fastrope.com/how-to-think-like-a-texan/
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December 11, 2021 2:17pm
Diogenes

An inciteful overview of where western democracies stand in relation to governance and freedom, and how we are being carried along.
https://spectator.com.au/2021/12/did-we-learn-anything-from-2021/
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December 11, 2021 2:29pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Insightful surely.
  
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  December 11, 2021 7:25pm
Fletch

R.I.P Michael Nesmith from The Monkeys, aged 78. This is a solo hit of his that I remember from when I was a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sACAJt1SIEY
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December 11, 2021 2:41pm
- Swifty
  
  Joanne:
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q5CiOTrRJBw
  
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  December 11, 2021 3:08pm
Maggie Pie

Just back from a quick shopping trip over to Ponsonby.
We needed to get some new linen for the beach.
Outside air-temp was showing 34. My partner stayed in the car.
OK, maybe it’s just him, but he said you wouldn’t believe how many guys he saw walking around the place that actually looked a bit like this horrible creep…..

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1469453165951135748
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December 11, 2021 3:23pm
- rangitoto
  
  Careful Maggie. You could be reported to the SPCA.
  
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  December 11, 2021 3:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    See wot u mean rangi 😀
    It’s a wonder he wasn’t drowned at birth.
    
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    December 11, 2021 4:05pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  You saw people whose appearance didn’t suit your exquisite tastes of so you’re comparing them to murderers?
  
  Nice!
  
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  December 11, 2021 4:08pm
NZer In Exile

Smoking is pointless and dumb. The companies that sell this crap have known for too long that they are selling a life-shortening and horrible-death inducing product. They’ve had a very very long time to understand of the writing on the wall. F#ck’em.

As for the clown show’s implementation? Dumb, as usual. Unintended consequences not thought through, as usual.
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December 11, 2021 4:21pm
lazza

I did not make this up …

“If you travel regularly on SH1, Uretiti or SH12 Maungaturoto – (so called “Locals”) … where our checkpoints will be – come see us with your vehicle and we will put a sticker on it. One sticker per vehicle – sorry no takeaways for friends or whanau!”

Any integrity of this system? … I don’t think so.

Mail orders of “stickers” good enough to be waved through for Aucklanders travelling North will be printed/delivered/pre Xmas … for a fee.
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December 11, 2021 4:49pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Photoshopping the pic as you post …
  
  (Just because the cops already ran out of their print run of course.)
  
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  December 11, 2021 7:30pm
Over Taxed Worker

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-traffic-chaos-at-waipu-northland-pick-up-spot-for-checkpoint-sticker/Z3RN5HN53IHSDA3QI6AQOQ2XL4/

Why is no-one surprised!
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December 11, 2021 4:49pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The lunacy takes off.
  
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  December 11, 2021 7:19pm
Sparrow

You can add another facemask warrior to the list. Live in rural area on gravel road. Drove past a new home and nearly crashed from laughing. Presumably the owner driving his new ride on with a facemask. It was a beautiful windless day no humans for some distance. Possibly worried the tui’s had Covid 19
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December 11, 2021 4:53pm
Maggie Pie

Someone on ‘Telegram’ offering Northland-Car-Stickers @ $50 +p&p (Bitcoin only)
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December 11, 2021 5:02pm
- Harriet
  
  Has anyone created bitcoin for the dole yet?
  
  ‘ManaFromHeaven’ for the dole.
  
  ‘HoDough’ for the DPB.
  
  ‘Sickas’ for the sickness.
  
  ‘Buggered’ – for the aged pension.
  
  ‘NowSimpleAs’ – for student loans.
  
  Tax could be called GovLoot.
  
  or something similar sounds good for these departmental times.
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:30pm
CAKE FACE1

I hope that everyone reading this comment is, right at this moment, hiding under their bed.

I understand that we have spent the best part of two years hiding under our beds to date, but you should know that there is a nasty flu out there.

How long should you continue to hide under your bed for?

It is difficult to be certain, but the best current estimate is that you should continue to cower under your bed for the rest of life. This is described by Cindy as representing “an abundance of caution”.

The quite reasonable argument here is that Rona will never magically disappear. There will always be new variants, that resist our vaccines. As such, safety dictates that a lifetime of hiding under the bed is the optimal strategy.

Thank you for reading this safety announcement.

If you are not currently cowering under your bed, please return there.
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December 11, 2021 5:14pm
kevn

Let’s ALL go up north for the holidays… Testing the new ‘system’. Bring your own food, drink and loo paper.
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December 11, 2021 5:30pm
- Harriet
  
  Up in the Northern Territory?
  
  Don’t go feeding that crocodile!
  
  Dump your rubbish on the border.
  
  y’know….old cars, dead dogs, maccas, coke cans ……
  
  Just go collect it off the cousins. 😎
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:15pm
Bobba Fret

So I hear on One News, some clown has had 10 doses in one day of the vaccine! They have advised him to seek medical help as they are unsure of the effect of this!
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December 11, 2021 6:09pm
- DeepBlue
  
  He might earn a lot of money from Pfizer as a human test case.
  
  His identity will remain a secret, just in case he catches Covid.
  
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  December 11, 2021 6:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He will be well prepared for variant Ω, if it appears in the next few months.
  
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  December 11, 2021 7:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I know a lot of girls from tennis have been quietly hoarding Lemsip sachets.
    
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    December 11, 2021 7:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Maggie Pie was on the money yesterday.
(https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/12/general_debate_10_december_2021.html#comment-3082634)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300475970/senior-taliban-spokesman-a-former-new-zealand-resident

Read it here first on KB.
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December 11, 2021 7:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  WOW Maggz! Just WOW!!
  
  Out & Out plagiarism by $1tuff.
  
  Wonder if they’ll run with my GD post today @3:23pm?
  The one about all those undesirables roaming around Ponsonby 🙁
  
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  December 11, 2021 7:35pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  No comment from him on the NZ staff the Taliban have been killing then?
  
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  December 11, 2021 7:36pm
rouppe

I see, when asked about the annual Christmas gift exchange with hosking, Ardern says “she hasn’t had an approach from him”.

Excuse me? She withdrew from interviews. She refused to talk to him. And HE has to make the approach?

What a twat.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jacinda-ardern-on-christmas-covid-vaccines-and-movies-die-hard-home-alone-and-love-actually/TDZHYPP2PBZ7YBIVJPIQYQCOHQ/
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December 11, 2021 7:23pm
fernglas

Good morning NZ from the other side of the world. I see you have 3 people in ICU with Covid. That’s about 1% of your ICU beds occupied by Covid patients, but you have to get permission from other NZ’ers to be allowed to move around your own country? And they give your car a sticker if you are vaccinated? Hilarious. This Spanish guy explains it to a TV presenter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tThfgO4sWks
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December 11, 2021 8:10pm
greybeard

England will recover and win the Ashes series.
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