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Reid

Dr Robert Malone (inventor of the mRNA platform) talks about mass formation psychosis. This is part of a live talk he was giving in Florida and someone recorded it and made it into this. It’s very powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INHpQL9fgto

Note there are some typos in the words, but you can hear what he is saying, but that just illustrates the home made nature of this output, it’s the content that’s important.
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December 12, 2021 8:00am
- Reid
  
  Scotland wakes up…
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/tGhJZOVwtpKB/
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:17am
- Spoff
  
  Dr. Harvey Risch, an epidemiology professor at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine’s Department of Epidemiology and Public Health, argued that by and large, what has characterized the entire virus pandemic has been a “degree of fear and people’s response to the fear.”
  
  “Overall, I’d say that we’ve had a pandemic of fear. And fear has affected almost everybody, whereas the infection has affected relatively few,” said Risch.
  
  “By and large, it’s been a very selected pandemic, and predictable. It was very distinguished between young versus old, healthy versus chronic disease people. So we quickly learned who was at risk for the pandemic and who wasn’t.
  
  “However, the fear was manufactured for everybody. And that’s what’s characterized the whole pandemic is that degree of fear and people’s response to the fear.”
  
  Dr. Risch has authored more than 300 original peer-reviewed publications and was formerly a member of the board of editors for the American Journal of Epidemiology.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXAi_ABL3pE
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:17am
- surfing
  
  Your first mistake is that Robert Malone did not invent mRNA.
  
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  December 12, 2021 5:38pm
  - dcrane
    
    the writer might mean the “RNA platform” for vaccines…
    
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    December 12, 2021 10:06pm
Benedict Yu

This is a good article. It highlights what the unvaccinated are going through with the vaccine pass system.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300475856/the-outcasts-life-as-an-unvaccinated-person-in-the-traffic-light-system

The vaccine passes are one dimension of the social divide. And probably the most visible. I commented to my partner last night that the three activities we are doing this weekend are not available to the unvaccinated. I’m not comfortable about that.

The other dimension of social division is a racial division. The government is the architect

One of the most important functions of any Government is to unite the country and promote a sense of belonging. The Taiwanese Government does that. The Australian Government does that, despite the parochial attitudes of some of the State Governments. (Just compare the mood on Australia Day compared to Waitangi Day. There is no comparison.)

This Government must go. The damage will otherwise be permanent. And I have not even touched on the other disasters. The housing catastrophe the welfare mess, the gang menace.

They are a blueprint of failure.
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December 12, 2021 8:01am
- Frank the tank
  
  It will sit on 2 things:
  
  1). The ‘son of megatron’ variant continuing to be a fizzer and Kungflu being done by mid-2022.
  2). The general state of the economy.
  
  If these turn then this government is toast. The right have finally got an alternative that can attract a broad coalition of support and a good chunk of NZ are actively looking for an alternative.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The centre-right have had an alternative for several years now, his name is David Seymour and he’s continually punched above his weight.
    
    Luxon looks like a shiny-suited corporate shill with little understanding of how politics works. I may be proven wrong and I’ll give hm the opportunity to win my vote, but “on the right” he most certainly is not.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:43am
    - mawm
      
      I haven’t heard him fighting for the rights of the unvaxxed that Jacinda has taken away?
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:48am
    - stewmar
      
      Loddenthinks
      
      You sound like a typical tall poppyer.
      
      What is possibly wrong with a successful Corporate high flyer. Luxon is eloquent. Can answer questions without procrastinating and going off the subject and seems to be an all round decent human being. More than I can say for Ardern and her hapless mob. Watch out for the next poll results.
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:54am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        stewmar: You sound like a typical generaliser. Which point do you disagree with – that he has a 100% corporate background (he has), that he is on the right (he clearly isn’t) or that David Seymour hasn’t taken a party from death’s door to a point that he has been the de facto and more legitimate Leader of the Opposition (he has)?
        
        Apologies, you don’t sound like a typical generaliser. You sound like a typical idiot.
        
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        December 12, 2021 7:45pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Seymour has shown his true colours and is nothing more than a Wellington drone, he is a stopped clock but when it came to the crunch he chose to go over and above Arderns draconian mandates and has proven he can’t be trusted.
      
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      December 12, 2021 10:12am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Lodden Seymour did his chips when he appeared in the Vax the Nation rap video. You just can;’t take him seriously now.
      He is all in on vax passports as well which makes him tainted goods.
      
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      December 12, 2021 10:39am
    - Colville
      
      Lodden.
      
      Just be pragmatic in that Luxon dosen’t need your vote and isnt there for your vote. He needs to attract the soppy 40 or 50% in the center that dont really think too much about politics and just want life to be easy.
      Its MMP and for the “right” to win its now very obvious that a two tiered attack is required. A centrist party and one with a spine!
      You decide which is which.
      
      I voted for Key the first time but went ACT when it was apparent that Key was just Helen in drag.
      
      The term from ’23 onward NEW ZEALAND can not afford to allow the Nats to continue the policies of ruin that Labour have brought in.
      
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      December 12, 2021 11:24am
      - I remember when
        
        “I voted for Key the first time but went ACT when it was apparent that Key was just Helen in drag.”
        A very common approach but apart from showing your present dislike what does change?
        
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        December 12, 2021 1:33pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yeah cheers for the advice on how to think. Got any ~~other~~ useful tips?
        
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        December 12, 2021 8:21pm
    - Sacha
      
      Describing people with derogatory names does not give me with any confidence that you might have enough of an open mind to make fair judgement of their character or abilities.
      A long time ago I did a business management course at Polytech and one statement has stayed with me ever since: the head of a business is not there to know how to make apple boxes, or even how to fill them. What he has to do is appoint someone to manage the box makers department so that they can do their job efficiently.
      Government may be bigger, but the theory is the same. Whoever is the manager, it is his/her job to facilitate the efficient working of the government and its agencies.
      We have seen the first steps of the Luxon management strategy with the appointment of his shadow cabinet.
      I will watch how Simon Bridges fares. I imagine that he will find his portfolio challenging, and if he does’t measure up, well, there is a shadow right behind him, and Luxon may well have this in mind.
      
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      December 12, 2021 11:50am
    - Jim
      
      Luxon has said many clear statements since his appointment, but his comments about “uniting all of NZ regardless of ethnicity” (I interpret as closing the ever widening bicultural rift) certainly resonated with me. Championing our shared national identity as Kiwis, is vital if we are to tackle the issues that affect (or concern) many citizens.
      If Luxon doesn’t deliver on this issue, Seymour may well pick up those disillusioned National votes again.
      
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      December 12, 2021 8:30pm
- Justitia
  
  Careful Benedict, those sound like anti-government views. We now know the Police have set up a “Scanning and Targeting Unit” to carry out surveillance on people who express “anti-government sentiments”: https://t.co/jgwuXV3Z8E.
  
  Yes, this government may have failed the country many areas but they have been masterful in tightening the noose around New Zealanders’ traditional freedoms.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:13am
  - Leofric
    
    I’m Benedict.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:11am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      To paraphrase Monty Python, “I’m Benedict and so’s my wife”.
      
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      December 13, 2021 8:15am
  - Philview
    
    Per the OIA documents the BFD comments section is under police surveillance so can assume Kiwiblog is being watched as well for anti Labour Party views.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Wow that is alarming. I hope DPF picks it up and does a post.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:30am
    - gravedodger
      
      Good morning Benedict, try https://nominister.wordpress.com/2021/12/11/to-the-doubters-the-police-state-is-well-established/
      You are welcome
      
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      December 12, 2021 10:33am
      - bronny1
        
        You’re brave. I won’t be opening my door to anyone in this day and age as I’m honestly concerned that will come bearing needles.
        
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        December 12, 2021 2:39pm
  - bronny1
    
    That is really shocking. So not only are the media parroting the single source of truth, our police are involved in hushing up non conformists who might have a different opinion.
    
    Ironic given that most of the MSM articles are opinion pieces, whether called that or not.
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:37pm
  - surfing
    
    We’d need to hear the police side as to why. I wouldn’t believe anything Slater says without first being corroborated by someone trustworthy.
    
    It wouldn’t be like he has twisted the narrative before!
    
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    December 12, 2021 5:49pm
  - Jim
    
    Chilling confirmation of politicised law enforcement…….anyone remember what democracy looked like?
    If this doesn’t send a shiver etc!
    
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    December 12, 2021 7:45pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Went to a rural airfield yesterday, the wind gently blowing. Out to a caravan on the airfield serving as a “”command post”” for the local gliding club(I am not a member, just a visitor).
  
  On arrival I was greeted with at least 2 people saying, “have you got your pass”” followed by…. you have to show it to a person in the caravan….
  
  So logic not top of their thought processes. ie open air, slight breeze, infection possibility zero etc.
  
  To be kind they were not thinking. Just bleating sheeple. Following ” the rules “.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    One of my favourite golf courses in the Manawatu has said no golf without a vax pass. Complete and utter madness. I can understand no access to the clubrooms themselves, but on an 18 hole golf course?
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And if anyone can find me an example of covid-19 being transmitted in the vicinity of a chlorinated swimming pool, I’d be interested to learn of it.
      
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      December 12, 2021 10:02am
    - G152
      
      Evidently they dont need customers
      
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      December 12, 2021 1:01pm
      - bronny1
        
        The pools don’t – the ratepayers, including the banned ones, are paying any shortfall
        
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        December 12, 2021 2:40pm
    - I remember when
      
      Never ceases to amaze me how many activities with declining membership bases participate in this type of behaviour.
      
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      December 12, 2021 1:39pm
  - Bob
    
    Having a population where more than half have been through a education system that taught them ‘ what to think, not how to think and rationalise’; why are you surprised by the Club response to your presence.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:40am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Bob: Because golf course membership is normally for the generations that were allowed and taught to think? They should know better.
      
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      December 12, 2021 6:42pm
      - Jim
        
        Agree, but sadly they are also dominated by older generations of now fearful people, who perhaps could have benefitted from a little less good living.
        
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        December 12, 2021 7:49pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    I understand that people who sit and fly in small planes and gliders have to be vaccinated – due to the confinement issues.
    Aero Clubs have a considerable network of planes and members flying in and out from all over the place. It’s not just going to be locals turning up.
    As with many organisations these days, the requirement has been ordered from above and all Clubs will have to comply wherever they are.
    I guess the people in the caravan won’t know if you are a pilot or a customer coming for a flying lesson or a casual visitor – vaccinated or not.
    
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    December 12, 2021 10:18am
    - Weetbix3ways
      
      Once one or two of the bigger clubs implemented passes, the rest followed like sheep.
      
      Kind of a small-scale version of the country as a whole.
      
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      December 12, 2021 11:09am
  - Sacha
    
    A friend showed me a photo of two endurance horse riders – one was wearing a mask. It’s hard to imagine a healthier place to be than riding a horse on open country in the fresh air –
    But apparently it was required because the rider wasn’t vaxxed.
    Now, EndNZ has mandated: no passport, no entry.
    
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    December 12, 2021 12:31pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It is clear to me that the restrictions are primarily designed to punish the unvaccinated for our decision to exercise what should be an inalienable right to bodily autonomy. Of course these restrictions are dressed up as ‘protecting the vaccinated’ but that’s a blatant lie.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:20am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    It’s coercion pure and simple. What is really concerning is how many people except a vaccine but then need protection from people who aren’t vaccinated and nobody seems to ask the obvious question. In Ardern’s Land of the wrong white crowd logic has literally been thrown overboard.
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:52am
    - Bridgenag
      
      The blokes at bowls worry about this all the time
      
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      December 12, 2021 8:56am
      - Bridgenag
        
        forgot the //
        
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        December 12, 2021 9:12am
      - pdm
        
        Not able to go into my bowling club without a Vaccination Certificate.
        
        Club says it is:
        1. Rules of Chartered Club we are associated with.
        2. Bowls NZ directive.
        
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        December 12, 2021 5:34pm
    - emmess
      
      Make sure you wear a seatbelt, if you don’t mine won’t work
      
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      December 12, 2021 10:10am
  - rouppe
    
    It started with that “health and safety” craze.
    
    It’s not going to stop with the traffic light system
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:02am
  - Observer of Life
    
    KK: Agree totally. My youngest went with mates to a bar yesterday. She hasn’t downloaded the passport, but has a letter from the MoH proving she’s vaccinated. The bar wouldn’t let her in, even though she could prove a he’s been double vaccinated. They all left without a $ spent. It was in fact a good lesson for them all. They now realise it’s not about being vaxxed… but control.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:02am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Just received this….
      “ Japan announces that public and private sectors can not discriminate against those who refuse the experimental mRNA gene therapy injections”.
      https://rairfoundation.com/alert-japan-places-myocarditis-warning-on-vaccines-requires-informed-consent/
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Elderly friend, double vaxxed, but unable to load vax pass onto her phone had ventured down to the wharf on Monday and decided to buy a couple of fillets of tarakihi from the local fishmonger.
      She ventured inside and when the shop assistant asked to see her vax pass, she showed her little vax card with the dates of her 2 shots…
      “I can’t serve you with that”, said the assistant.
      ‘OK”, replied my friend and started to walk out…
      “but, if you give us your address, we can deliver them to you”,
      “Thanks”, said friend, “but that’s too much bother”.
      “Well”, said assistant ” if you stand at the door , we can bring you the fillets and you can pay there.”
      “Wonderful” said friend, as she got her EFTPOS card out.
      Assistant brings out wrapped-up fillets and EFTPOS machine and hands them over to friend.
      Friend swipes card through EFTPOS machine and it won’t read her card.
      Assistant says “come inside and see if the card works there”
      Friend goes inside and swipes card – all good.
      Fish purchased, Friend happy.
      
      (Following day, her grandchild successfully placed vax passport on her phone).
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:36am
      - stewmar
        
        Partner and I walked into a cafe yesterday to order lunches. The young Maori girl at the door asked to see our vacc passes which partner showed on her smart phone and walked in. Same security just looked at me as I strolled in after partner without asking to see mine. As it happens I’m double vaxxed and boostered but had left my phone in the car, go figure……..
        
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        December 12, 2021 9:59am
  - Happy1
    
    Usually the unvaxxed get a free ride on the coattails of us vaxxed but not this time. Undoubtedly the restrictions, in part, are designed to drive up the vax rate. In Auckland, where they have had the “ clear and present” danger bounce, rates are over 95%. Overall we could end up over 97%. Even Hosking was impressed. While we won’t reach herd immunity (unvaxxed children) we will reach a point where, once it gets loose, it will splutter along and peater out in most cases rather than catch fire. Of course in places like Aranui, where the cleaver people live, things might be different. Lives will be saved. The US have had 0.25% of there population die. (excess deaths) we, on the other hand, have escaped with few deaths.
    
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    December 12, 2021 10:18am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Happy1. Guess you havent read much data?
      Vaxed or unvaxed, you can still get and redistribute the Virus.
      So your point is based on a fallacy.
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:21pm
- cmm
  
  ” I’m not comfortable about that.”
  
  How uncomfortable are you with this? Uncomfortable enough to refuse to go?
  
  I am not at all suggesting what your principles should be. That is a personal matter for you.
  
  But such things will only be challenged if principled people make a stand.
  
  It heartens me that there are many principled people even if they are in a minority.
  
  One person I know who is a heavy Christian walked away from his church of 20 years because they demanded a passport, even though he is fully vaxxed and has downloaded the passport. He is still friendly with the pastor there and engages with him that it is wrong to turn people away – regardless of what the government says.
  
  It is not easy being principled and it is impractical to be fully principled.
  
  I grew up in apartheid South Africa. Many whites were uncomfortable with apartheid, but very few were sufficiently uncomfortable to not participate.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “How uncomfortable are you with this? Uncomfortable enough to refuse to go?”
    
    Not sure what you mean. Are you asking will I forgo my job, restaurants, cinemas, concerts, and travel? No I won’t. I have previously admitted as much.
    
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    December 12, 2021 10:11am
    - bronny1
      
      I get people not giving up their jobs. But seriously, a drink, a film or a concert? I honestly took you for a principled guy but seems you are all talk if you won’t give up the minutiae to stand up for what you believe in.
      
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      December 12, 2021 2:52pm
  - I remember when
    
    Have heard multiple stories of people who have downloaded the scanner on to their phones.
    They are so slow that in crowd situations it is easier just to visually verify the vaccination pass.
    
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    December 12, 2021 1:20pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      The law states that businesses only have to “sight” the vaccine passport. It does not have to be scanned.
      
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      December 12, 2021 6:48pm
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Benedict
  
  It’s especially tough for kids. 12 year olds are at next to no risk from covid and of next to no risk to anyone us.
  
  Parents are oftentimes reluctant to vaxx their kids given that risk.
  
  Yet those kids now can’t swim at the pool, go to the library, take part in sports, join clubs, go to birthday parties, be with their mates.
  
  Try being a parent in that scenario. My oldest is 10 but I fear it will be down to 5 soon.
  
  best
  
  Rodney
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It will be down to 5 years old. In about 8 weeks.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And of course the Government won’t mandate that all school kiddies must be vaxxed, but watch the pressure that will go on parents who send an unvaxxed child to school.
      
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      December 12, 2021 10:05am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “And of course the Government won’t mandate that all school kiddies must be vaxxed”
        
        Really? What is the logic of allowing unvaccinated people to attend school but disallowing them from attending cafes?
        
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        December 12, 2021 10:12am
      - cmm
        
        BY: You want logic? Really?
        
        Cindy has told us repeatedly she has awesome intuition. That’s all that is required.
        
        She believes her intuition is more important than anything else.
        
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        December 12, 2021 11:04am
  - bronny1
    
    So wtf are your ex party doing about this! I am beyond disappointed with Seymour who I was a huge advocate of until he became a vax shrill like the rest of the uninformed pollys.
    
    I know it’s not your responsibility anymore but do you know?? Is there any party that will stand up for the rights of your child?
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:48pm
- Philview
  
  I live in a city that hasn’t had a Covid case yet so all seems mighty odd. A friend has chosen not to get vaccinated and we can no longer meet for coffee etc. He doesn’t have Covid.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    My advice: Go out of your way to still connect with that friend. Takeout coffee. Walks. Bike rides if you’re into that. Meet in homes. Anything to reduce the human toll of Ardern’s narcissistic bid for a UN role.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:02am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I agree with that.
      
      I mentioned yesterday the plight of a friend of a friend. Her life was these things…
      
      Work in an office. Dedicated worker. Does not like working at home.
      
      Travel.
      
      Dining out.
      
      Her tennis club.
      
      All gone. Can you imagine what that is like? Expect mental breakdown and suicide in some people.
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sad when the control runs that deep
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:13am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Phil: Get a takeaway coffee and meet him outside somewhere. Don’t stop connecting because you can’t sit in a cafe etc.
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:38am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Well Benedict you are uncomfortable. I really feel for you!!!
  (Sorry Benedict, that is sarcasm and you probably don’t deserve it – you provide thoughtful and reasoned pieces here at Kiwiblog and I really appreciate your contributions).
  
  But, people are losing their jobs or being forced to work from home because they are not allowed in the office. And for what? A virus that poses very, very little danger to healthy people as you yourself have posted about…
  
  Contractors, suppliers and visitors to government agencies – mandatory vaccination to come on premises (consultations on this policy or directives from heads of agency are happening in this space right now).
  
  People needlessly restricted from many places like cafes, libraries, gyms, swimming pools etc that help people relax and preserve their mental and physical health.
  
  Jacinda said it wouldn’t be made mandatory – but her government is using proxies in the Corporate and Government sectors to pressure and COERCE people to be vaccinated. Over riding a persons rights to decide on medical treatment and their rights to freedom of movement and freedom of association.
  
  If Jacinda had the courage of her convictions she would legislate mandatory vaccination – Labour have the majority and she can do this in a couple of days under urgency if she wanted to. But that would sully the ‘Be Kind’ meme no doubt….
  
  She is a mean spirited, spiteful and cowardly – so hides from doing the straight forward thing and legislate mandatory vaccination.
  
  She displays this character constantly – refusing questions from reporters offside with her and her PR management team (a legion of them), cutting off questioning citizens in her Facebook live sessions.
  
  You are uncomfortable Benedict – I am about to lose my job on top of already not being able to go to the pub or cafes with my social circle.
  
  I loathe this government but especially that lying harpy who considers herself to be above criticism or consequences…. A pox on her house and all her blindly follow her without examining her actions and the disasters that are her governments policies and actions on many fronts
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:55am
  - I remember when
    
    If you can scare enough people the government don’t need to mandate passport use, prohibit travel, prevent employment or continued employment, enforce vaccination or close schools.
    Rhythm & vines, Northland travel, NZ Motocross grand prix, employment in the Public Service, cough in public.
    The short list is of the exceptions for the unvaccinated.
    
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    December 12, 2021 1:57pm
  - bronny1
    
    1000 upticks!
    
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    December 12, 2021 3:29pm
- Jim
  
  Wholeheartedly agree, and pleased to see the journalistic angle was not to demonise these courageous principled people. This outrageous public discrimination is the responsibility of the Ardern gov, but should be a shared shame by everyone that vilifies the unvaccinated (especially children). I expect a foregone conclusion for Pfizer to receive gov approval to vaccinate 5-11 y/o next, and that’s where such divisive discrimination really fractures society, when innocent children are excluded from society and are bullied by other children.
  Of the entire Stuff article I’m unsure about Baker’s comments though, as I believe he is blatantly misinforming the public by stating that “covid is now the most common cause of death in Europe” as when compared to official stats demonstrating that ischaemic heart disease remains (significantly) the greatest cause of death.
  https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Causes_of_death_statistics
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:10am
  - bronny1
    
    Almost unbelievable that nothing will stop this including the recent Pfizer data release as discussed on the BFD today. The gov are criminally negligent, that is 100% clear and still they double down.
    
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    December 12, 2021 3:31pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Almost a good article, almost balanced which was a surprise for Stuffed. But it carries many of the usual lies regarding covid. Michael Baker lies – “While Covid is now the most common cause of death in Europe, he says…..”
  This is a patently untrue statement. Apart from the fact that the covid statistics are proven to be heavily manipulated. “Death from any cause within 28 days of a positive covid test” makes the whole thing statistical fraud. But even if the covid stats are taken at face value, it is NOT the leading cause of death in Europe. It ranks around 10th in cause of death. How can anyone publish this garbage?
  
  Of course, the article had to include the obligatory reference to the scourge of “misinformation” – “absolutely unprecedented’’ according to Baker. But as usual, no specifics about what “misinformation he refers to. Why not tell people what the misinformation is so we can all look out for it and slap it down as soon as we see it?
  
  Then further down the article Peter Gluckman spouts the other lie repeated ad nauseum. That it is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. How are so called “experts” permitted to lie openly like this? Surely there is some system of recourse to address such blatant propaganda? Writing to the editor doesn’t work, nor does writing to the Press Council. I know, I’ve tried often.
  
  There is something rotten in the state of NZ, in fact many things. Media and the political system being the two primary offenders.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:31am
- Nukuleka
  
  This morning Archbishop Paul Martin delivered a sermon at the 8am mass at St Mary’s Pro Cathedral in Christchurch on the topic of tolerance and hypocrisy. This was at a church where there were guards stationed outside checking that only those with vaccination passports could enter and preventing the unvaccinated ‘outcasts’ from participating in the mass. Yes, Archbishop, tolerance and hypocrisy. Jesus wept. The church as an agent of the state.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:57am
  - mandk
    
    Jesus would have approved //
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Never mind..
    in a couple of months he might be able to deliver a sermon based around Matthew 19:14.
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:58pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    Wow. Thank you Nukuleka.
    
    What a stunning observation.
    
    Tolerance and hypocrisy while checking vaccination passports.
    
    It would have been a great Monty Python sketch.
    
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    December 12, 2021 7:12pm
- mawm
  
  The damage being done with the vaccine pass legislation is immense and at this stage unmeasurable. It will eventually show up in the mental health statistics – the mental health that this government campaigned on.
  
  The importance of social contact especially for the aged is of the utmost importance in preventing mental decline. I am in occasional correspondence with an elderly widower who does not want to be vaccinated. He is in good health and up until now has had good social contact. He has lost that because the Halls and Libraries, and the coffee shops where he met up with friends and groups have all been closed to him. His letters show a marked change in his mood. It’s quite heartbreaking.
  
  There are enough published papers on the ineffectiveness of masks, lockdowns, and vaccine passes that this government should be aware of, and by continuing down the path that Jacinda is going demonstrates that this is not about health but about societal control and punishment of those who have not followed with out care for their wellbeing.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:15am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’ve reworded my reply to BY re the Stuffed article.
  
  The article is ok but it does still contain the same lies and propaganda that has been repeated often and never challenged by the mainstream media.
  
  Michael Baker states – “While Covid is now the most common cause of death in Europe…..”
  This is a patently untrue statement. Apart from the fact that the covid statistics are proven to be heavily manipulated. “Death from any cause within 28 days of a positive covid test” makes the whole thing statistical fraud. But even if the covid stats are taken at face value, it is NOT the leading cause of death in Europe. It ranks around 10th in cause of death. How can anyone publish this without question?
  
  Of course, the article had to include the obligatory reference to the scourge of “misinformation” – “absolutely unprecedented’’ according to Baker. But as usual, no specifics about what “misinformation he refers to. Why not tell people what the misinformation is so we can all look out for it and slap it down as soon as we see it?
  
  Then further down the article Peter Gluckman repeats the other lie that is spouted ad nauseum. That it is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.
  
  How are so called “experts” permitted make claims like this unchallenged? Surely there is some system of recourse to address such blatant propaganda? Writing to the editor doesn’t work, nor does writing to the Press Council. I know, I’ve tried often.
  
  There is something rotten in the state of NZ, in fact many things. Media and the political system being the two primary offenders.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:57am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, that is a lie, but then Baker has history of applying the same logic to flu deaths so at least he’s somewhat consistent.
    
    Back in 2019 Baker was pushing hard for flu vaccinations saying that flu deaths were under counted by a factor of 20. ie. There are 10,000 flu deaths a year in NZ – not 500.
    
    If you used a PCR test for flu, then counted every death with a positive test as a “flu death” then he is quite likely right.
    
    But is it fair to count people as CV19 deaths when the criteria are so out of whack?
    
    In USA, the CDC stats show that only 5% of CV19 deaths have no other cause listed on the death certificates. Most have 4 other comorbidities.
    
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    December 12, 2021 11:11am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      @cmm
      
      I’ve not been able to find the link to that Baker commentary, although I have seen an earlier one you posted from 2015 (?) where he and Wiles (of course) were talking up pandemics in general.
      
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      December 12, 2021 11:55am
      - cmm
        
        Here you go.
        
        Short version:
        * A quarter of NZers get flu infections every year. (The vast majority don’t “get flu”, but just a mild sniffle).
        * He expected about only 1 in 20 flu deaths were recorded correctly (ie. deaths should be counted as 10,000 – not 500).
        
        His publicist people have improved his shirt and haircut in the last 2 years.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/112942493/kiwis-underestimate-the-seriousness-of-the-flu-says-public-health-professor
        
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        December 12, 2021 2:32pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I wonder does the Otago University Infection Group being funded by GAVI and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have any bearing on the obsession with vaccinations from Baker and others?
      Or does Otago University’s close association with Klaus Schwabb’s WEF have any bearing on things?
      The contributors are listed on page 25 of this document.
      https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Reimagining_Regulation_Age_AI_2020.pdf
      
      Having one of our top universities with such strong ties, including financial, to Gates, GAVI and the WEF is disturbing. Not to mention finding out Auckland University gets funding from the Gates Foundation and the Wellcome Trust.
      Which makes it interesting that the “experts” so often cited by the media are from either Auckland or Otago university. I know, just coincidence. “Correlation is not causation” and all that.
      
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      December 13, 2021 8:33am
Captain Mainwaring

Wonder Woman on the news complaining she hasn’t been able to get a haircut for five months (and it looks it).
But she lives in Wellington, where the hairdressers have been open for ages.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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December 12, 2021 8:02am
- artemisia
  
  Worse optics to Aucklanders if there was a photo, or even a rumour. Quite sensible of the Prime Minister to avoid a firestorm.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:12am
- Frank the tank
  
  Looking more and more bedraggled and haggard each and every day. By the time 2023 she’ll resemble her master Helen.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am rarely comment on the choices people make regarding hair clothes etc. I am more concerned about the damage she does. But as the leader of the country she really needs some fashion advice. Her clothes look like they are purchased at K Mart.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Her attire looks like she has found a suitcase full of Grannies old clothes
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:27am
  - Russ the Muss
    
    That’s her brand. No accident there. Walk around wellington in the public service quarter and that’s how the Women dress and to be honest the guys as well!
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:29am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Pretty much – some of the more middle aged will colorize their hair a la Siouxie
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:13am
    - chukar
      
      R the M,
      The new hi fashion is wearing the same dowdy clothes my grandmother was forced to.
      Perhaps it is just recycling to save a $ ?
      
      Pretty boring though!
      
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      December 12, 2021 10:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The guys wear Grannies old clothes? Well how ’bout that? But it is Wellywood after all
      
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      December 12, 2021 2:50pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    The Common Touch – something to wear on the arm of her shark whisperer boyfriend
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:38am
  - pdm
    
    Prior to becoming Prime Minister it was announced with great fanfare in our local paper HBToday that she shops for clothes in Op shops etc.
    
    Seems like she still does.
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:42am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Yeah. If you’re going to be a 36 year old Prime Minister of a nation then you should know how to dress with class, as Sanna Marin of Finland does, Hot Girl Rules
    
    Naturally I forgive her for clubbing until 4am and ignoring her phone as officials repeatedly contacted her to say she’d been exposed via her Foreign Minister and needed to quarantine.
    
    She said she’d left her phone at home… (wink – as if any Millennial does that)
    
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    December 12, 2021 11:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If you want to see class and style, even though not a Leader – look no further than Melania Trump
      
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      December 12, 2021 2:53pm
      - pdm
        
        Steve that Finnish lass is pretty stunning.
        
        Thankfully mrspdm does not read Kiwiblog.
        
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        December 12, 2021 5:41pm
- amospicton
  
  Too busy saving 80,000 lives Cap’n.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:16am
- Observer of Life
  
  Cap: I think her mandated rule is, if you normally live in a level 4 situation, but find yourself in a level 3 situation, you can’t access the level 3 percs.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:44am
Bridgenag

Someone needs to keep an eye on the Parliament TV channel to see the new laws being put forward. “submissions before….[date] ”
Who would know to submit?
Some look ominous and chunky.
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December 12, 2021 8:06am
- Bridgenag
  
  another busy morning mods
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:43am
cmm

I’m-the-news Hilary Barry still hamming it up for the media. Does anyone really fucking care what she thinks, what she’s doing for Christmas, what she’s wearing, etc etc etc.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/spy-hilary-barry-gives-us-a-clue-about-her-xmas-plans/RM4DZG4C576ZYKGHHBU2DCSL44/
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December 12, 2021 8:13am
- Frank the tank
  
  This is the type of shit they use to real in under 35 females. Then ever so subtly there will be ‘Brenda is awesome’ lines throughout the articles.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:16am
- Couchpotatoe
  
  Evidently you do.
  
  Meanwhile Ben & Steve are whining about Jacindas choice of clothes. Misogyny dressed up as Christmas Lamb….see what I did there.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:36am
  - dime
    
    Is it misandry when I say Trevor mallard needs to see a tailor? That dude loves an ill fitting suit.
    
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    December 12, 2021 10:04am
- pdm
  
  Hilary and Jeremy both give me the guts ache but mrspdm seems to like them and not worth an argument to change channels unless there is rugby or cricket on.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:44am
- crikey
  
  Who is Hilary Barry?
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:48am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Who cares about Hillary Barry?
    
    Not me!
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    An Ego on Steroids!
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:18am
  - I remember when
    
    Sounds like someone who has changed their birth certificate.
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:05pm
- Gravelroad
  
  This “story” is just a promo for a TV show with celebrities involved. Free advertising.
  People on TV light entertainment shows market themselves as influencers and get paid big money to kindly share their wonderful lives with the less privileged.
  It gives the ordinary workers and strugglers something to look up to.
  It’s all very “them and us” which is why Ms Ardern and her friends (including her fiancé) are so popular in the media.
  Don’t we all secretly want to be loved like Jacinda and Clarke and Hills and Matty?
  The millions who avidly watch shows such as “I’m a Celebrity Get Me out of here”, “Dancing with the Stars” (Mr Seymour) and such like suggest that we do.
  Cmm- you just have to accept that celebrities on TV are now the “go to” authorities on how to live and what to think.
  They are very important people – celebrities………
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:58am
  - Spoff
    
    Lame-stream-media is now an enclosed system.
    Invent celebrities out of PC nonentities – make up stories about their trivial PC doings and sayings to pad out the Goebbels-esque Party line – rinse and repeat.
    Sadly it even works on an old cynic like myself – I am compelled to visit Stuffed and the Ferald every day. Not for news but simply to see what new heights the inanity and propaganda has surmounted.
    
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    December 12, 2021 10:43am
  - sooty
    
    Only in their own minds!
    
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    December 12, 2021 11:35am
  - Sacha
    
    They have taken over from parents – who are grateful to have more time to focus on their own self-centred lives.
    
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    December 12, 2021 12:41pm
Nickc2

Labour’s polls must be telling them they’re not doing well. Cindy admits mistakes. Fancy that! Hopefully, the public won’t forget.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/jacinda-ardern-admits-government-could-have-handled-maori-vaccination-better.html
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December 12, 2021 8:17am
Yvette

The opening six consecutive sentences of an article headlined Jacinda Ardern admits Government could have handled Māori vaccination better –

The Prime Minister has admitted she may have taken too long to recognise that eliminating the Delta variant was impossible.
Jacinda Ardern also acknowledged the Government didn’t break down the barriers that slowed Māori vaccination.
In a candid interview, she said goodbye to a year she described as “awful”.
“Awful” was the single word Ardern needed to sum up 2021.
Aucklanders also have a word: “Lockdown”, and that’s where the Prime Minister’s hairdresser is.
“I haven’t cut my hair in five months,” Ardern says.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/jacinda-ardern-admits-government-could-have-handled-maori-vaccination-better.html

The emphasis (bold type) is mine.
But mentioning it in this context, her coiffure is also emphasised by Jacinda …
Or perhaps by an aspiring “journalist” – the fourth estate becoming the fifth column –

The $55 million Public Interest Journalism Fund will support New Zealand’s media to continue to produce stories that keep New Zealanders informed and engaged, and support a healthy democracy.
… For this fund, public interest journalism is defined as ‘journalism that contributes to a person’s ability to function as a valued and informed member of the communities in which they live and/or work’.
https://mch.govt.nz/media-sector-support/journalism-fund

And “Jacinda Ardern also acknowledged the Government didn’t break down the barriers that slowed Māori vaccination” a key (perhaps sub judice) admission, but maybe cunningly made yesterday, one day after “An urgent hearing of the Waitangi Tribunal into the government’s response to Covid-19 will wrap up today [Friday]. The case was brought by the Māori Council, which argues the vaccine rollout and rushed move to the traffic light system leaves Māori vulnerable – which they argue is a breach of the Treaty.”

So while the “slowed Maori vaccination” may come back to bite Jacinda in the bum (don’t think too much about it) and cost us tax payer funding, and that contributed by some Maori too, her arse-covering yesterday may ameliorate that backlash –
“This Waitangi Tribunal finds you were slow in Maori vaccination”
“Yes, I know – but I have already admitted that. What else?”

When will the Stardust Fairy go tits up? – and don’t think too much about that either
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December 12, 2021 8:18am
70andstilllearning

So Northland District Police have successfully demonstrated the chaos their (Iwi?) checkpoints will create with a dry run operation dishing out stickers to “locals”. Two km queues in and around rural Waipu ain’t a bad effort on a Saturday.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/457712/covid-19-checkpoint-stickers-for-northland-border-snapped-up

“Waipu resident Lynn said it was vital that residents can travel easily through the checkpoints.”

I’m glad “Lynn” can get through the checkpoints more easily, but I suspect that the police forgot to tell her it won’t get her to the checkpoint itself much quicker when they dished out the sticker.
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December 12, 2021 8:18am
- G152
  
  Dont tell them.
  Let it come as a surprise.
  Maybe they could get out the Thermete and have a cuppa with those nice gang members to wait out the queue.
  Bunnies
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:24am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Anyone travelling in Northland with that sticker on their car will be a target for robbery. I’ll be driving 500 metres down the road and ripping off the sticker ASAP.
  
  You couldn’t make this up. The police are collaborating in a scheme so the local criminals can quickly identify the tourist cars for robbery.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:34am
  - pdm
    
    Iwi say they will be checking all cars.
    
    Police say random checking.
    
    Send the vigilante Iwi home and leave the Police to it – Poto andCoster the Imposter where are you?
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:47am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      I’ve noticed the last couple of days that MSM articles are emphasizing these as “police checkpoints” :). PM PR team busy encouraging plausible deniability for the PM rather than her actually responding to more pressure from the internal Labour sub caucus!
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:33am
  - Hollyfield
    
    The stickers put on cars yesterday were for Northland people – so that people from lower Northland can pass through the checkpoint more quickly as their cars can be identified as being from Northland. They’re being told if they don’t have a sticker on their car from Wednesday they will need proof of address on them to show they are not from Auckland.
    
    Also of interest, the article in the Herald contradicts the one linked to by 70andstilllearning – the Herald says the stickers were supposed to be handed out yesterday and today, but all 2500 stickers were issued yesterday and today’s handout in Waipu has been cancelled. The much briefer article in Radio NZ says more stickers will be available today.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-traffic-chaos-at-waipu-northland-pick-up-spot-for-checkpoint-sticker/Z3RN5HN53IHSDA3QI6AQOQ2XL4/
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:51am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Lol – 2500 stickers! The Waipu/Mangawhai/Kaiwaka/Mangaturoto population is ~12,5 thousand before you even start thinking about Whangarei people who travel there and back each day providing services to the area. Current NZTA traffic density data puts movements at around 12 to 13k daily in Dec/Jan.
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:23am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        More proof that the left are hopeless with numbers
        
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        December 12, 2021 1:14pm
  - stewmar
    
    The police are collaborating in a scheme so the local criminals can quickly identify the tourist cars for robbery.
    
    In the Police press release that I read this morning, the stickers are being given out to identify who the locals are so that they can get through the checkpoints with minimal delay. Govt covid website.
    
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    December 12, 2021 10:07am
- cmm
  
  So how do these stickers actually work?
  
  Are they just one sticker or do they change them? It seems it would be easy to fake the stickers or peel them off and give or sell them.
  
  I doubt they’d be able to organise a complicated system (eg. different coloured stickers) so I expect it really is just theatre – something that can be faked or bypassed with almost zero effort.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:36am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are the stickers lawful? If they are effectively passes, under what legislation are they authorised?
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Legislation? C’mon Kev. Aspiring dictators and their appointed sub-tyrants don’t need pesky legislation. Diktats what these cool kids go for.
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:41am
    - pdm
      
      Who paid for printing the stickers.
      
      Oh I know – taxpayers of course.
      
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      December 12, 2021 8:48am
      - kevn
        
        @pdm… I wonder what the stickers maori slogan will look like? There will be one.
        
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        December 12, 2021 9:30am
      - sooty
        
        Certainly not hones border control.
        
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        December 12, 2021 11:40am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The reason those European lamp posts have that cross bar at the top is somewhere to hang one’s autocrat at the end of their tenure . . .
      
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      December 12, 2021 9:21am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    KevO – what’s the “law” got to do with this? Under TL Red conditions it says I can travel anywhere I damn well like without harassment – well, that’s what I thought it said!!!!!
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:38am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I doubt it.
      There is a general principal of statutory interpretation that the law is read so as not to trample on the people’s toes. Any doubt is theirs not the States.
      
      Where they already have explicit rights such as the BOR those take superiority. International treaties may over ride domestic law changes. There is a natural hierarchy of the application of law without which it’s essentially anarchy. Changes may be possible but they need agreement and a very clear statement of intent.
      
      Law drafters are very conscious of these matters and would generally remind a Minster when they approached the boundaries.
      
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      December 12, 2021 12:46pm
- kowtow
  
  Now the gurnermunt is operating two types of internal passports .
  
  Do we need reminding what type of regimes use internal passports to control their subjects.
  
  Papeiren , schnell !
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:04am
- Bridgenag
  
  What are the stickers all about? Could I have 10 people going North in a stickered car then?
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:39pm
Yvette

‘Fighting to reclaim our language’: Māori names [for children] enjoy surge in popularity
More parents in New Zealand are giving their babies indigenous [first immigrants] names to foster links with their ancestry and culture
by Eva Corlett in Wellington – but in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/11/fighting-to-reclaim-our-language-maori-names-enjoy-surge-in-popularity

… Nine-month-old Ruataupare Te Ropuhina Florence Whiley-Whaipooti will grow up speaking the names of her ancestors. She will learn she comes from a line of strong Ngāti Porou women, and that her ancestor, who was a staunch tribal leader, is her name-sake. She will grow to understand that her Māori name links her to whenua (land), her whakapapa (genealogy) and her Māoritanga (culture).
… Whaipooti was named after her grandmother’s anglicised name Julia. “It was an intentional decision to give me the English name by my parents at the time because New Zealand has been pretty bad at pronouncing our names, and suppressing Māori culture and identity.”

The “suppression” bit is dropped into this article a few times – to add the mantra that Maori (although brilliant scientists), by lowest social statistics and cultural suppression have been mentally colonised a second time – but, while people supposedly are Maori if they feel Maori, the Māori Language Commission seems, in their turn, a bit more “pakeha-like” oppressive –

To be included in the data, at least one parent must be Māori and the name must fit the Māori Language Commission orthography. There must be at least 10 children given the same name within a year for it to be logged. Many Māori names will not be captured, including Ruataupare’s, either because there are under 10 registrations of the one name, or the name is not yet listed as an approved Māori name.
I had to look up “orthography” – the conventional spelling system of a language.
But “10 registrations of the one name” – why ten or eight or four. A name is Maori or not, surely?
“What’s your name, little one?”
“Doesn’t matter, it’s not approved yet. We live in a country that actively oppresses Māori culture”

And then –
In 2011, 1.5% of names registered were Māori. While overall, the percentage of Māori names is still small – 2.6% of all names in the country registered in 2020 – the actual figures are believed to be higher.
– which figures, in relation to the 16.5% population portion that Maori are, may indicate the dilution of that percentage as more Maori marry into the majority percentage?
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- Paulus Gnome
  
  Maori; bypassed the wheel, a written language and metallurgy to concentrate on ‘science’ . . .
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:24am
- lifesgood
  
  What a handle. Poor kid.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:26am
Yvette

‘Fighting to reclaim our language’: Māori names [for children] enjoy surge in popularity
More parents in New Zealand are giving their babies indigenous [first immigrants] names to foster links with their ancestry and culture
by Eva Corlett in Wellington – but in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/11/fighting-to-reclaim-our-language-maori-names-enjoy-surge-in-popularity

… Nine-month-old Ruataupare Te Ropuhina Florence Whiley-Whaipooti will grow up speaking the names of her ancestors. She will learn she comes from a line of strong Ngāti Porou women, and that her ancestor, who was a staunch tribal leader, is her name-sake. She will grow to understand that her Māori name links her to whenua (land), her whakapapa (genealogy) and her Māoritanga (culture).
… Whaipooti was named after her grandmother’s anglicised name Julia. “It was an intentional decision to give me the English name by my parents at the time because New Zealand has been pretty bad at pronouncing our names, and suppressing Māori culture and identity.”

The “suppression” bit is dropped into this article a few times – to add the mantra that Maori (although brilliant scientists), by lowest social statistics and cultural suppression have been mentally colonised a second time – but, while people supposedly are Maori if they feel Maori, the Māori Language Commission seems, in their turn, a bit more “pakeha-like” oppressive –

To be included in the data, at least one parent must be Māori and the name must fit the Māori Language Commission orthography. There must be at least 10 children given the same name within a year for it to be logged. Many Māori names will not be captured, including Ruataupare’s, either because there are under 10 registrations of the one name, or the name is not yet listed as an approved Māori name.
I had to look up “orthography” – the conventional spelling system of a language.
But “10 registrations of the one name’ – why ten, not eight or four?
“What’s your name, little one?”
“Doesn’t matter, it’s not approved yet. We live in a country that actively oppresses Māori culture”

And then –
In 2011, 1.5% of names registered were Māori. While overall, the percentage of Māori names is still small – 2.6% of all names in the country registered in 2020 – the actual figures are believed to be higher.
– which figures, in relation to the 16.5% population portion that Maori are, may indicate the dilution of that percentage as more Maori marry into the majority percentage?
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December 12, 2021 8:24am
- Stellaboxer
  
  The boutique “progressive” left only have the love affair with Maori because there aren’t enough Muslims in NZ to fawn over. Yet.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori names may be an invocation also to Maori spirits. Don’t use that language without knowing what is is all about. The push by activists now is full on including their pagan deities.
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:01pm
krazykiwi

This research and subsequent analysis by eugyppius may help us better understand why Covid-19 is less harmful to children, and more so to the elderly, and how these vaccines my be giving immune system ‘tunnel vision’.

Original Antigenic Sin is a Real and Very Serious Reason to Stop Vaccinating Everyone .

This is not a casual read. I needed to read it several times to piece the thinking together.
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December 12, 2021 8:28am
- cmm
  
  C’mon just get your booster.
  And if that doesn’t work then here’s a booster for your booster.
  And…
  
  Frankly I do not find this at all surprising. The “vaccine” is a one trick pony – only operating on the spike protein and are thus easier to evade. “Real” vaccines, and natural immunity, attack on many fronts (often 20 or more that are known + probably many more that are unknown). These are far harder to evade.
  
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  December 12, 2021 8:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s an excellent article from a great author. People need to read it and understand what Original Antigenic Sin is. It is a thing and it looks very much like it is happening right now.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:26am
  - Sacha
    
    And Dr Been (google) is of the opinion that Omicron will prove to be the last weak spasm of the pandemic.
    Bring it on!
    
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    December 12, 2021 12:49pm
    - cmm
      
      That is almost a universal opinion and is backed by stats.
      
      What is more contentious is whether the vaccine helps at all against Omicron. Hospitalisation rations in South Africa suggest that the vaccine does not work or is, at best, far less effective on Omicron than it was on Delta and previous.
      
      Even Pfizer are saying that two jabs are ineffective against Omicron and adding a booster still won’t get you there.
      
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      December 12, 2021 2:36pm
JimBobJoe

Covid and Fat…..

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-coronavirus-aim-fat-cells.html

The elephant in the room has been obesity with regards to the dangers of Covid 19 SARS2…. seems researchers are finding something interesting related to how the virus causes damage in fat.

Note: its initial research and not published/peer reviewed material. But interesting nevertheless…
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December 12, 2021 8:31am
KevO'Brien

Background on Ardern as a selected Young Leader of the Great Reset. Evidence of treason?

https://www.infowars.com/posts/young-leaders-of-great-reset-doom/
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December 12, 2021 8:38am
- tf78
  
  KevO – I would add AOC, Megan Markle and Bojo’s Mrs to that list as well.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Not going to be an end point to this vaccine program’
  Commie Ardern
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just put it on FB – flagged already. The fact checkers did not have time to even watch it
    
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    December 12, 2021 9:58am
- mawm
  
  I don’t know why Schwab likes to hide behind his “Fourth Industrial Revolution” and should just admit it’s about creating the Fourth Reich.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:35am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Even more important see the company she’s among from about 48 secs in.
  
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  December 12, 2021 12:58pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In 2020 Labour campaigned solely on Covid issues. Having secured an absolute majority, Jacinda has proceeded to act like an absolute monarch. Her government has rammed through Act after Act for which she has no democratic mandate. It’s this behaviour that undermines trust in our institutions.
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December 12, 2021 8:41am
- yossarian
  
  Sorry for posting twice in two days, but this explains it beautifully,
  
  “Unlimited power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty. ” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
  
  A. She has unlimited power thanks to over 50% majority
  B. She has major shortfalls in her ability to complete anything or foresee any unintended consequences.
  C. She is cruel. Her behaviour towards travel exemptions for sickness and funerals, her punching down to workers and a cruel MIQ lottery system is pure evidence of her real spirit.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:12am
- jon
  
  This Govt is what you get when the electorate were stupid enough to give them majority govt last October and thus the unbridled power that comes with it!
  
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  December 12, 2021 11:20am
NeverMindTheBollocks

One of the lead articles in Stuff states that Maori are disproportionately obese vis a vis the general population, which is a breach of the Treaty.

I’ve got to stop reading this Stuff.
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December 12, 2021 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was at the New Brighton hot pools on Friday. There were about 30 Maori kids from somewhere having a session at the pools. They were all pretty well behaved and had a good time. Aged betwen about 9 and 14.
  
  What was alarming is how many of them were very over weight. The organisers had set up a table for afternoon tea. I walked past as I was heading back to the changing room. Table was packed with processed food, potato crisps, and sugary drinks.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:03am
- Yvette
  
  NeverMindTheBollocks, the atircle i believe you refer to, in a photo caption says –
  
  Associate Health Minister Aupito William Sio, minister responsible for obesity, says a range of options for reducing the amount of salt and sugar in drinks are being considered.
  
  So it is the fault of Aupito William Sio – he is minister responsible for obesity :o)
  
  And – Māori rangatahi up to the age of 14 are nearly twice as likely, and Pasifika more than three times as likely, to be obese than European or Pākeha children.
  With this in mind, Samoan boxer turned health advocate David Letele says it’s “a disgrace” junk food was used to incentivise vaccine uptake. KFC gave out free popcorn chicken, and McDonald’s handed out burgers at some stores.
  
  If the virus doesn’t kill you or render you hospitalised and seriously ill, KFCovid will
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:10am
- emmess
  
  Oh but the won’t tell you that diet has anything to do with how you will be impacted (from pre-moronic variant) Covid
  That would be body shaming
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What has the treaty go to do with Maori physical stature? They are what they eat. If genetics drive their obesity that is their problem. Pakeha could only fixed that by compulsory diets for them.
  Stupid activists.
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:06pm
NoFax

Looks like the media is starting to turn on the government. Story on Newshub stating that the government only sought advice one month after Delta hit NZ and then didn’t follow that advice https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/government-only-sought-advice-on-covid-19-vaccine-passes-a-month-after-delta-outbreak.html

The advice was that the vaccine passports shouldn’t have involved hospitality – only big events.

The last paragraph shows the change in the media:

“And despite countries all over the world already rolling them out, it proves once again the Government wasn’t prepared for Delta”
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December 12, 2021 8:46am
- curry4me
  
  NoFax: If every article was pro-government, it’d give the game away. Such articles are also bargaining chips. If the Cindybucks stop, the support might stop too. The MSM management aren’t entirely stupid.
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:41am
surfing

So now the government has breached treaty of waitangi obligations by allowing fat maori to exist…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/127227803/govts-studious-neglect-of-obesity-leaves-us-among-worst-in-oecd–nutrition-experts

You wouldn’t read about it, except you did.
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December 12, 2021 8:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Look at the rest of the Pacific and see if the other Polynesians are more light weight.
  My experience was you could tell a chiefly family member at sight from their rotundity.
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:11pm
NK

https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/12/11/police-admit-to-surveilling-the-bfd/.

One of the most shameful and abhorrent things I have read in a while, and believe me, this government has done some shameful and abhorrent things recently.
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December 12, 2021 8:53am
- Bridgenag
  
  Really is shocking
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:09am
- Ruahine
  
  A news outlet being ‘investigated’ for telling the truth.
  I wonder how many other news outlets in New Zealand have been investigated for telling the truth?
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:58am
- MCōs
  
  Mr Slater would complain if even the police were ignoring him these days.
  Now that Ms Collins has exited the stage they’re about all he’s got left, apart from sneaking round in the undergrowth taking photos of women bathing.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You might be interested in Bomber Bradbury’s opinion:
    
    You have no idea how much it pains me to write anything in support of Cameron fucking Slater, but the revelation yesterday that he is under Police surveillance for ‘anti-Government’ views is such a cluster fuck of stupid it gives me a brain aneurysm!
    
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/12/12/for-christs-sake-nz-police-why-are-you-giving-slater-a-cross-why-there-must-be-an-investigation/
    
    Forget for a moment that it’s Slater who is being surveilled by the Police, and imagine National was the government, and it emerged that The Standard was being investigated by the Police’s Scanning and Targeting Team. There’d be a wave of outrage, and justifiably so. It’s not the role of the Police to investigate people who have and express political opinions.
    
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    December 12, 2021 1:44pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Fair play to Bradbury, there’s no love lost between him and Slater, but I think the points he makes in that post are salient.
      
      Also, this may be an unpopular utterance, but Martyn correctly points out that SIS and the Plod have form for this with surveilling the left e.g. infiltrating the anti-1080 and other green movements. IIRC Plod were additionally despicable re: stopping people coming/going from an assisted dying meeting a few years ago. Politicization of police and SIS is utter crap, no matter whether it’s left or right, its just wrong.
      
      And if you’re reading this you absolute plonkers: JUST STOP IT! NZ is a modern democracy and saying shitty things is not a crime (<– note "saying shitty things" is not incitement to violence, which even in the US has a phenomenally high bar).
      
      Anyway what would I know? As a Kiwi based in Canada, its not like I've been deprived of my right to return to NZ, right to vote (it will be for the next election b/c of the MIQ debacle) or anything else is it? (/sarc)
      
      FWIW Mr Pharma and I have decided to become Canadian citizens (he will be dual UK/Canada, I will have three NZ/UK/Canada) because Canada has protected us and looked after us in this pandemic. They gave its vaccines early, and for free, with boosters starting next week (Mr Pharma a bit older than me). They gave kids vaccines early. And of all the people I know that got the virus only two died [both elderly parents of colleagues]. Meanwhile NZ made me effectively stateless for EFF YOU NZ government – we're at a point in our lives where we could have come back and seriously contributed in senior positions once Mr Pharma finishes his current position in 2024. Not effing happening now. And we'll endow scholarships and professorships in Canada and/or UK.
      
      sorry all /rant over (its been a bit stressful)
      
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      December 12, 2021 4:20pm
Truman lodge

As a vaccinated but non participating person in society in regards to the certificate, I find it absolutely bizarre that anyone who has been exposed self isolates. Only double jabbed can enter a gym. If one person has it then everyone there has to isolate. You have to be jabbed to work in a bar, one person has it the whole business self isolates. What’s the frigging point. We could have 500, 000 double jabbed having to self isolate next year dispite having no symptoms.

And does this new normal include wearing masks permanently? Keep your mask on but if you have a beer in your hand it’s safe to take it off..
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December 12, 2021 8:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  Masks are state propaganda that the wearers unwittingly peal. Regardless of the nuances of the individual’s beliefs, a mask telegraphs that all wearers are uniformly terrified of the virus and subservient to state diktats in respect of interventions.
  
  This is masterful stuff, and the psyops/nudge unit monsters must be overjoyed at the control they’ve been able to exert over so many, for so long.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Dear PM has had an awful year.

In a candid interview, she said goodbye to a year she described as “awful”.

I do hope the rest of you haven’t had an awful year.

I’ve had a fairly quiet year, but definitely not awful.
Our Dear PM is cautiously optimistic about her 2022..
well, that’s just ducky..

but I wonder if she gives a thought about how other folks have found life under her lockdowns and delayed actions this year.
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December 12, 2021 8:59am
- Bridgenag
  
  When is the wedding?
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:08am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    When she finds a venue in Gizzy that will have her.
    
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    December 12, 2021 8:58pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, perhaps Jacinda’s ‘annus awfulus’?
  
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  December 12, 2021 9:32am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Horribilus
    
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    December 12, 2021 5:13pm
- crikey
  
  Whether some people realise it or not, everyone has has an awful year with Ardern as Prime Minister.
  
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  December 12, 2021 10:02am
Hugh Jarse

I presume David will be OIA’ ing the Police to ascertain whether this blog is also under surveillance ?. Amazing, the government causes anger and tension and sometimes unwise comments because of a number of its policies, then gets the Police to surveil those getting angry at their policies which makes people angrier !, a true self licking ice cream.
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December 12, 2021 9:04am
- Observer of Life
  
  HughJ: “ a true self licking ice cream”. Love it.. ?
  
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  December 12, 2021 7:08pm
Justitia

Andrea Vance attempts a nasty hatchet job on Chris Luxon on behalf of the regime, equating opposition to abortion with a belief in “forced birth”: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127234357/luxons-views-speak-volumes-about-his-attitude-to-women.

Labour are clearly rattled about Luxon’s moderation and appeal across gender boundaries, knowing they are heavily dependent on the female vote.

They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel here. No doubt we can expect journalism standards to plunge even lower in the New Year.
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December 12, 2021 9:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Ms Vance has most definitely jumped the shark with this morning’s column; it’s an absolute shocker.
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:46pm
  - Swifty
    
    Of all the major and important issues facing NZ today, like this:
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300469297/brawls-and-police-raids-living-next-door-to-members-of-rival-gangs
    
    What does Vance choose to cover today? Oh, thats’s right, another hit piece on the opposition leader.
    
    Yep, that’s really holding the government to account. That’s really ‘speaking truth to power’.
    
    Sarc.
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    Abortion legislation is a conscience vote rather than a party one.
    
    The issue ends with whether and how Botany electorate voters rate Luxon’s views on abortion.
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:21pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  No comments permitted as usual with Stuff’s propaganda pieces
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:37pm
blue collar

SURELY NOT
The vax pass 6 month timing where most are due in June ….
wouldn’t be planned for a green light feels good fest , tied in with our first matariki holiday would it ?
Surely not , not from this pack of virtue signalling whack jobs , surely they wouldn’t delay freedom for 6 months to add ooomph to a Maori themed holiday would they ?
Personally I think they want emergency power to do what they like til the next election , so will milk it til then chasing shadows ,
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December 12, 2021 9:29am
Maggie Pie

Just had to share this with the group 😀 😀 😀

We went shopping in Ponsonby yesterday, and I happened to find a Homeware boutique selling ‘Adult’ Xmas Crackers.

My partner, being the way he is, couldn’t WAIT to get one out of the box last night and pull it with me.
Anyway, out fell a pink paper hat in the shape of a penis, a keychain with a miniature plastic butt-plug attached, and of course a little ditty….

‘”Explain this to the kids. The birds and the bees…the bees and the birds…the bees and the bees…the birds that used to be bees…the bees that used to be birds…the birds that look like bees….plus bees that look like birds but still have a stinger”

Well we got a larf out of it anyway 😛
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December 12, 2021 9:31am
Reid

Great interview from American Thought Leaders with Dr Harvey Risch, who is Yale epidemiologist. If you watch Fox he’s been on Laura Ingram’s show many times over the last few years. This is very, very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXAi_ABL3pE
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December 12, 2021 9:33am
- Bridgenag
  
  Really good. Long but worth while
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:55pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    awaiting
    
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    December 12, 2021 5:24pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Great vid. If you compare truth factors you would get the following:
  
  – Podium of Truth + Bloomfield + Pink Haired truth factor : 0.02
  
  – Dr Harvey Risch video truth factor : 1.00
  
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  December 12, 2021 6:42pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmbUJxYJuDE

Thousands of freedom loving citizens gathered in Hagley Park and marched to Riccarton Mall. They didn’t
March through it. No fires, or torched cars, and no piles of garbage left behind. No arrests, and no violence. I was there.
[11:16]
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December 12, 2021 9:44am
curry4me

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10298535/Pennsylvania-Supreme-Court-rules-schools-force-states-schoolchildren-remain-masked.html

Penn Supreme Court Anti-Mask Mandate Ruling.

A statewide mask mandate for Pennsylvania schoolchildren was thrown out by the state Supreme Court on Friday, raising the prospect that at least some students may soon be allowed to attend classes without a face covering.
The justices announced their decision to invalidate Democratic Governor Tom Wolf’s statewide mandate for masks inside K-12 school buildings and child care facilities.
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December 12, 2021 9:44am
Fletch

Shocking. Leaked govt agreements with Pfizer from around the world show that Pfizer is bullying and blackmailing governments to the extent that if Pfizer is ever sued, it is the governments of those countries who must defend Pfizer in court using government assets as collateral.

Basically, Pfizer can infringe on any company’s intellectual property with impunity. If they are ever sued, it is governments that must defend them in court and pay any damages using government assets as collateral –

Number one, Pfizer has the right to silence governments. It has forced countries to not talk about the deals they strike for shots. Number two, Pfizer controls the donations of its shots, not the country that buys them. Pfizer will decide where the shots go. Number three, Pfizer has secured an intellectual property waiver for itself. And this clause is particularly disturbing. If Pfizer is accused of intellectual property theft, governments will pay not the company. Number four, if there are disputes, private arbitrators and not public courts will decide on them. Number five, Pfizer can go after state assets to secure its compensation. And number six, Pfizer calls the shots on all key decisions. It decides delivery timelines and more. […]

For example, in U.S. courts, these assets could include foreign bank accounts, foreign investments, and foreign commercial property, including the assets of state-owned enterprises like airlines and oil companies.

https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/ (contains links to the agreements).

https://www.drewberquist.com/2021/12/exposed-confidential-documents-show-pfizers-jab-blackmail-of-governments-around-the-world-video/

This is vaccine terrorism.
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December 12, 2021 10:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Love to look at those contracts. The only party who has any rights is Pfizer. They may fail under common law as they are so shockingly one sided that consent cannot be inferred even from them being signed. The Court jurisdiction is elsewhere too.
  Not a contract at all in the normal sense.
  Mafioso shakes fist at NZ Gulliblement.
  
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  December 12, 2021 4:16pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yep. There are links to 9 of the contracts at my first link. Some have been redacted, some not. I expect that New Zealand’s won’t be much different.
    
    https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/
    
    It does explain though why the govt is anti any other treatment. Or of things you can do to keep yourself healthy at home. Any talk of that is quickly cut off. Or of adverse effects. It’s probably in the contract that none of that can be mentioned.
    Someone is going to have to answer for all of this. These people need to be in the dock in a modern Nuremberg trial.
    
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    December 12, 2021 4:49pm
dime

Labours polling must be bad bad.

Time to trot her out with the best possible picture of her they can take.

Time to tell her how hard it’s been for her. Living like royalty. Visiting Auckland on her private jet etc

I know her core audience of young girls love this shit.. But the rest of us just get enraged.

Im ready for greasy grant to take over and bomb.

It will be fun when the media spend a year calling us homophobes
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December 12, 2021 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  downtick was me – accidently
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:29pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Gosh I thought I had made it with the big guns with a 2 downtick troll! Silly me
    
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    December 12, 2021 1:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She visited Auckland in her private jet, then went to Whenuapai, got back on the jet and returned to Wellywood.
  ‘The jet was returning to it’s home base’ Well, home base is Whenuapai – another lie.
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:31pm
ClanMcleod

krazykiwi posted a great link above regarding Original Antigenic Sin. You would do well to read it. Here is another excellent article on the same subject.

“if you get vaxxed first, then get sick, you never develop the full panoply of responses. other studies have shown this issue around the development of nucleocapsid antibodies (which tend to be a source of sterilizing immunity, unlike S protein antibodies).

but this does not happen if you get sick first, then vaxxed. because you already learned those things.

this shows that the vaxx is blocking the learning. and now we have clinical outcome data to show it.”

It is looking more and more like this is now happening.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/graphical-deception-and-a-smoking
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December 12, 2021 10:30am
- cmm
  
  This is something that I speculated about approx a month ago, so it is interesting to see some evidence emerging. It will be interesting to see how further studies go.
  
  Assuming it is true, what this really means is that – for most- getting a natural infection is a very good deal – far better than being vaccinated.
  
  Consider someone like me – reasonable health aged 59. I’d rather get CV19 now and get a whole lot of natural immunity that will serve me better for my 60s, 70s and onwards. It’s an investment in future health – like the immunity the Russian flu of 1889/90 seems to gave given to the older people in the Spanish Flu of 1918/19.
  
  Of course it is entirely a different cost-benefit outcome if you’re into your 70s or have compromised health. Then it makes far more sense to be thinking shorter term and thinking about your need for more immediate protection. The vaccine makes much more sense. I’d be vaccinated if I was in such a group.
  
  It is looking more and more like young, healthy people have been sold down the river by all the coercive methods used to get them vaccinated when they are not getting a real benefit – and maybe are even getting a disadvantage in the long term.
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Exactly..
    
    Young folks are having their futures (immunity, fitness, education, social interactions, mental health) compromised (by lockdowns and leaky vaccines) for the sake of old folks and those with severe comorbidities.
    
    It doesn’t make sense.
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:47pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      @cnn.
      I have been saying for months that I would rather get the china ‘flu & gain immunity that way rather than being subject to gene therapy, even tho’ I am 79, but in pretty good health & fir for my age.
      I’m noticing with some alarm the almost daily revelations about that adverse reactions to the ‘jab’and am therefore very comfortable with my choice, even though I am “Unclean” – the modern version of “yellow armband Juden”.
      My so-in-law who is a pharmasist & has tried to get me to take the ‘jab’ which he administers, because – ” you might catch Covid & die – & think how that will affect the grandchildren”.
      I say, we all die sometime, I have a strong Catholic faith, and therefore have no fear of death – I have had a good life – so bring it on; if it is my time to die,( according to the Will of God) then so be it.
      
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      December 12, 2021 5:29pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Given that death comes to all of us, Don, I, too, have no fear of death. Indeed, whether we have a faith, or, as in my case, no faith whatsoever, it is irrational to fear death. So, your “strong Catholic faith” most definitely does not (as you smugly imply, whether you realise it, or not) accord you, and those like you, some sort of superior position in that regard.
        
        When you say you don’t fear death, because of your “strong Catholic faith”, and that if your death (of COVID-19, or by any other cause) is the will of god “then so be it”, what you’re really saying, is that you believe there is life after death, which you will enjoy. That, of course, is patent nonsense.
        
        When you’re dead, you’re dead, which is why all of us (including you) hope to live as long as possible; to live out our natural lives, because we all know that this is it, that this life is all we have, and are going to have. To think, or believe, otherwise, is also irrational.
        
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        December 12, 2021 7:29pm
kevn

@Clan… Be great to get Bloomfields spin on this data.
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December 12, 2021 10:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pfizer warns a 4th booster shot may be needed for those who have not died yet //
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December 12, 2021 10:43am
- mawm
  
  Sheesh! I’m only just triply unvaxxed, can’t they at least wait a while before I have to be quadruply unvaxxed. I am really struggling to keep up.
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:24pm
Diogenes

I had a revealing chat this morning with a friendly local bank manager. He says there are strong indications that the government will move to eliminate cash. I have read some US commentators saying that it is immanent there. I know our Reserve Bank man, Adrian Orr, has said it will not happen in NZ, and it’s easy to pass this off as conspiracy theory (especially in the American context), but when a sober NZ banker says the same thing, that is scary. And we know how much we can trust definitive statements from on high.
But if this should come to pass, the implications are very scary, and I am sure that many with better understandings of these things can point out the salient issues. The big one is that the government will have total control over our finances. The little ones are how will the small things of society survive, like the kids pocket money, my weekly table tennis game which asks for a $5 entrance (in cash), the sports club sausage sizzle outside Bunnings, etc. Perhaps it’s time to take out shares in an Eftpos company.
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December 12, 2021 11:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Govt eliminate my cash on a daily basis
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:33pm
- cmm
  
  Killing off physical cash is a good way to turn it all into funny money – just bits in a bank and intangible numbers.
  
  It strikes me that getting rid of cash is problematic for when there are times when computers and internet do not work. This is particularly true in shaky old NZ. What then?
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:25pm
  - Weetbix3ways
    
    Maybe we can use the same method as with our amazing vaccine passes:
    Just show a picture of our money!
    
    In all seriousness, though. It fits with everything else they are doing. It’s coming, the only question is when.
    
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    December 12, 2021 3:57pm
- mawm
  
  There goes another conspiracy theory. If Orr says it’s not going to happen you know it is.
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:27pm
Maggie Pie

Comment wins the internet 😀

‘Should have gone to Specsavers’

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1469733732827512843
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December 12, 2021 11:45am
Hollyfield

Very sad reading this: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-as-aucklanders-prepare-to-leave-the-city-im-fighting-my-fears-to-enter/SXK7TYRCDYEGMQVVX4MGJPYUCM/

“I am choosing to enter a city where cases number into the thousands. I’m double vaxxed, wear a mask and am a relentless hand-washer – but still, there’s an anxiety …..”

53 new cases in Auckland yesterday, most recover within a week or 2 at the most, so fewer than 1000 people out of 1.5m – that makes around 0.07% of Auckland might have covid, many will be at home while sick so the vast majority of people you might pass in the street won’t have covid. (On Friday it was reported the MoH doesn’t have the admin staff/time to remove people who have recovered from the list of active cases, so I’ve worked out a rough number for myself.)

92% of Aucklanders are fully vaccinated, and 95% have had one dose.

While anybody can get any infectious illness from any person, anywhere, at any time, the chance of her getting covid in the 2 days she is in Auckland is so small, that the fear she (and many others) feel is out of all proportion to the risk.
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December 12, 2021 12:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  See what the commie Govt has done? Totally consumed with fear porn. Totally brainwashed sheep.
  Vote Labour, your type always do
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hollyfield, that was not directed at you. It was for the person that suffers from ADS Auckland Derangement Syndrome
    
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    December 12, 2021 5:26pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Not sad, horrific. These are the birdbrain airheads keeping Jacinda on track with her control freakery. And being amplified by the media.
  
  They deserve condemnation not sympathy.
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:29pm
Fletch

Metservice tweet –

We’ve just issued a ⛈ Severe Thunderstorm Watch ⛈ for parts of Te Ika-a-Māui, from 11am to midnight today.

Wait, for where?
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December 12, 2021 12:40pm
- Cinematic
  
  Issuing warnings that require an interpreter is negligent.
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As a boatie I don’t bother with Metservice anymore. It used to be good but got infiltrated with woke wankers.
    I just look at Rangitoto Island. If I can see it, it is going to rain. If I can’t see it, it is raining
    
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    December 12, 2021 2:10pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Up here in Russell Metservice is next to useless. Accuweather is better. When we lived in Devonport the “now casting” stations were useful guides.
      
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      December 12, 2021 2:24pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s not English.
    What was Maui doing with fish, was he getting them for Cinders old shop?
    
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    December 12, 2021 4:22pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yup. One fish is $5.50 thankyou.
      Here is $10 and 50 cents. $5 change please.
      Huh?? wtf are you on about?
      And so it goes on……
      
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      December 12, 2021 5:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It must be a suburb of that Outta Roa place
  
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  December 12, 2021 1:36pm
- graham
  
  Virtue signaling garbage.
  
  If they’re not going to even bother to put in the English name that everybody understands then it’s literally pointless. Whoever wrote that may as well resign now, given their job is presumably to COMMUNICATE the warning in an intelligible manner – and they’ve failed.
  
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  December 12, 2021 4:10pm
- chukar
  
  Sounds like somewhere in Hawaii?
  Oops
  
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  December 12, 2021 4:28pm
Hugh Jarse

Try again with this comment, sorry for any duplications. I presume David will be OIA’ ing the Police to ascertain whether this blog is also under surveillance ?. Amazing, the government causes anger and tension and sometimes unwise comments because of a number of its policies, then gets the Police to surveil those getting angry at their policies which makes people angrier !, a true self licking ice cream.
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December 12, 2021 12:42pm
I remember when

I sit patiently waiting to see some research that allows a scientifically acceptable assessment of the dangers of catching covid in an outdoors location.
Are governments, mandating lockdowns, not interested in this knowledge so that it can be used when deciding activity guidelines.
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December 12, 2021 1:27pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The risk of catching a Covid virus as it passes you by at 50 knots in the average Wellington breeze is infinitesimal. One can envisage other summer outdoor pursuits with higher risks.
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:19pm
Maggie Pie

And here we were thinking the ‘Member-for-Tijuana’ and his partner, were probably sunning themselves in Acapulco for the last three months.
No such luck. Here he is, demanding the gubmint ‘wipe all debt owed by Maori bene’s to the MSD….and start over again!’

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1469034742775353347

Don’t know if he speaks the lingo or not, but remember this from my Spanish classes…..

“Limosnero y con garrote” (beggars can’t be choosers)

Just saying.
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December 12, 2021 1:48pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s where Ricky Ricardo is wrong (again).
  
  The debt isn’t to MSD, the debt is to their fellow citizens who have helped the beneficiaries out with extras when they’ve needed a hand.
  
  Entirely appropriate to require repayment as circumstances allow.
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:11pm
- fernglas
  
  Debt owed by all beneficiaries, Maggie Pie, not just Maori.
  Should have gone to Specsavers?
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Goodness,
  that seems a rather blunt, in-your-face translation.
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:41pm
  - kevn
    
    @Maggy… Yes, seems the mex couldn’t step up in politics in his home country, so had to settle for being an NZ pollie.
    Beggars can’t be choosers.
    
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    December 12, 2021 3:15pm
    - sooty
      
      The MP for Tijuana, could be there for all we know with an internet connection you could be any were these days. You might have to watch parliament tv to see if he’s were he’s meant to be?
      
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      December 12, 2021 7:23pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What about Pakeha bene’s?
  Why should the govt wipe off anyone’s debt to WINZ? Bene’s get a fair go, it’s the taxpayers who lose out.
  
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  December 12, 2021 4:26pm
Rusty

Saw an interview on Fox news recently with a person representing Pfizer.

Fox interviewer asked this man “Isn’t it immoral to make 85 billion dollars out of Pfizer?

His answer “We have saved countries trillions of dollars through Pfizer”

Tells you the mindset of these people.
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December 12, 2021 2:10pm
NZer In Exile

So called “Democratic” Socialists (like the wondrous Jacinda) claim they want to create a Scandinavia like state. How did that work out for Venezuela?

Here’s a former citizen of Venezuela explaining.

https://www.prageru.com/video/they-say-scandinavia-but-they-mean-venezuela
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- NZer In Exile
  
  Also related: Is Denmark Socialist?
  
  https://www.prageru.com/video/is-denmark-socialist
  
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  December 12, 2021 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

Ma tweets….

The symptoms of the virus are mild for most people.
The symptoms of fascism are severe.
For everyone.
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December 12, 2021 3:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ma should tweet to the PM.
  Maybe the PM is banned like Donald Trump????
  
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  December 12, 2021 4:02pm
Captain Mainwaring

Greens call for imported animal feed to be phased out.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/greens-call-for-imported-animal-feed-to-be-phased-out/ar-AARIPWP?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Captain Mainwaring calls for Greens to be phased out.
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December 12, 2021 5:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Greens are not going to be able to feed themselves. But what about their pussies? the male ones even?
  
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  December 12, 2021 5:41pm
Jack5

Oh dear! Jacinda Ardern isn’t among the world’s 21 most influential women of 2021. At least according to the Financial Times, whose list I read reprinted in the Australian Financial Review.

The most influential woman is Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, director-general of the World Trade Organisation, the newspaper says. It ranks second Lina Khan, chairwoman of America’s Federal Trade Commission, and third, Mary Bara, chairwoman and chief executive of General Motors.

Politicians on the list include US Congresswomen Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney, and Tsai Ing-wen, President of Taiwan.
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December 12, 2021 5:50pm
- krazykiwi
  
  If only they had widened the criteria to include vapid narcissists she would have topped the charts. Alas.
  
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