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Warren

Reading Barry Soper and his comment of Chris Luxon and his question to the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern yesterday has it dead right in his comment saying the opposition has to get away from asking questions on COVID-19 as Jacinda is a one trick pony and uses the pandemic to strengthen her grip on power as she has no idea on GDP or the economy.
Jacinda Ardern has used Tragedy, Death and Fear with deciet to gather votes from the vulnerable to stay in power and the Government should be using the economy and the shiftyness of this Governments deceit for the public to see.
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December 8, 2021 8:01am
- Warren
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxons-biggest-mistake-in-first-showdown-with-jacinda-ardern-barry-soper/K5ROT7TVUFXYGGBOHKKAN7BHWE/
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:05am
- pdm
  
  Yep get into GDP, Crown Accounts, Inflation – she has not got a clue once you drill down a little.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:30am
  - RoboRob
    
    Wouldn’t she just not have to answer those questions? The speaker would agree they should be addressed to the minister of finance.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:36am
  - Jack5
    
    PDM, there are more emotional issues that would appeal to voters watching, reading about the encounter …. crime, gangs, the housing bubble, the mad health reforms during a pandemic, mental health services, Maori vigilantes, the Great Water Heist.
    
    But Barely Sober and Warren are on target.
    
    Pushing the strategy of “we can do better on Covid” is the Labour-Lite end of the National Party – Bishop, Willis, Muller; and on the outside and in the media, some of their former press secretaries, and former National MPs.
    
    This strategy is as useful as the Maginot Line or Fortress Singapore were.
    
    Most people I meet assess Ardern’s Covid-19 performance as from pretty good to excellent.
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:49am
- stewmar
  
  the opposition has to get away from asking questions on COVID-19 as Jacinda is a one trick pony and uses the pandemic to strengthen her grip on power as she has no idea on GDP or the economy.
  
  Todally agree!!
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:08am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Disagree. This is her biggest weakness. Plenty of people are pissed off with this covid response. Plenty.
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:26am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      I’m very suspicious of anyone who wants to stop talking about Covid, more precisely the clear presence of a hidden agenda behind the response to it. Yes, Covid itself is a non-event, but it is being used as a pretext to overturn our lives.
      
      Labour could be destroyed on a daily basis if the unanswerable questions that are commonly asked by those of us who are awake on KB were put to them. Frankly, I couldn’t care less if Ardern doesn’t know about GDP, Crown accounts or any other issues that used to be relevant two years ago, and nobody else does either. Only geeks care about that. If Luxon and the Nats still think that waffling on about issues like, say, tax cuts and balance of payments is relevant in 2021, then they are wasting time and space. Freedom is in the balance at the moment, and they don’t seem to notice or care.
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:58am
  - coge
    
    Maybe, but the COVID thing is also Labour’s glass jaw. Demolish that and it’s game over.
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:35am
- EssenX
  
  100%
  
  It’s the one topic she knows the stats, the comparisons, and the arguments. What my strategy would be to start with a line of questioning that sounds like it’s about COVID and then switch to the things she won’t be educated on. It’s not hard either. She didn’t know the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi or GDP.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:19am
  - H. Upmann
    
    EssenX: – mind you, as there are no principles of ToW, anything she may have said would be false.
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:25am
    - Ehlana
      
      As I recall, the issue was she didn’t know what the Treaty of Waitangi said. It’s a short read, so the impression was that either she had never read it, or it wasn’t important enough for her to remember the three articles.
      
      I’d have thought not knowing those would disqualify anyone from leading the Labour Party…
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:13am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    I think you’ll find that Ardern doesn’t know any of the arguments she is using with respect to Covid policy, because there aren’t any arguments to sustain it.
    
    Predictions with respect to the unfolding of events made by several on this site, including myself, up to a year ago have all come to pass. The official narrative, arguments and the data are put to the sword daily and they rarely stand up to scrutiny.
    
    If the “opposition” are not making these same cases, it’s a huge red flag in terms of their fitness for the role. The less they protest, the more complicit they seem. I don’t think anyone can seriously say they want Labour gone over this, yet want to see National and ACT take over. I don’t see much difference.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:11am
    - Fight4NZ
      
      You actually are never going to realise that it is only you and another handful on KB that believe there is some mass conspiracy and “its all about power”, vaccine is a hoax, blah, blah, blah. The vast majority see the efforts as basically reasonable if poorly executed. But whatever floats your boat Don Quixote.
      Luxon will need to test the water in a number of areas and see where he gets cut through. Covid attacks, I suspect will be seen as more barking at passing cars, but it is the dominating topic. Not easy.
      
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      December 8, 2021 5:15pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    She knows sweet fa about covid. Her questions are pre selected. For some reason the opposition believe the same garbage. Any one of a dozen commenter on KB would tie Ardern in knots inside 5 minutes.
    
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    December 9, 2021 7:06am
- Mrs_Right
  
  She had no idea what the rate of inflation and wage growth was when questioned by Seymour yesterday. She made up some numbers that were completely wrong.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:25am
- nathie
  
  Question Time yesterday.
  
  Luxon: “Why did her government spend more than $50 billion dollars from its covid fund, before announcing any funding for extra ICU beds”?
  
  Ardern: “Mr Speaker, well I reject um that question ….. “.
  
  Ardern doesn’t directly answer the question and instead waffles on about needing money to spend on ICU nurses first (but did they? Bet they didn’t, and even if they did, they sure as hell didn’t spend $50 billion on nurses … in fact Labour didn’t want to give them a pay increase a month or so ago!
  
  So again Ardern fudges her answers (presumably Robbo provided them, judging by the way his head nods in approval), shows she doesn’t have a grasp on issues and is a poor PM …. yet the MSM yesterday were bashing Luxon for losing his place when reading his question (at one point)!
  
  Labour’s Team of 55 Million just shows where their priorities lie!
  
  Eg Newshub’s Jenna Lynch showed Ardern’s answer but not Luxon’s question …. so there was no context for their tv news viewers!
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/chris-luxon-vs-jacinda-ardern-in-first-question-time-clash/QJ2KF3RULZHOYKYRML43RTEZEY/ see video from 58 sec point.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:52am
- Philview
  
  I think there are issues with ICU beds that are still unanswered. Why are people dying at home? Why is Auckland in code red which means health system overwhelmed per criteria. ICU staff can’t get here per reports but would otherwise come.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:43am
- Lucia Maria
  
  I find it interesting that Barry Soper did not mention the effect Chris Luxon’s questions had on Jacinda Ardern, which was to become incredibly angry.
  
  Just watch here: National leader Chris Luxon takes on Jacinda Ardern in first Parliament showdown
  
  Not overwhelming the hospitals has been given as the primary reason as to why we continue to have draconian restrictions on our freedoms.
  
  YET, there has been no real effort made by the government to ensure that extra ICU beds are put in place as protection against a potential surge of patients.
  
  THEREFORE, the government is able to continue to justify draconian restrictions.
  
  Sure, Jacinda is a one-trick pony on this, but only because no one has had the balls to really challenge her. You can see from the way she answered the questions. She wasn’t sighing, and repeating her answers carefully as if talking to a dim child, she was ANGRY at being challenged.
  
  It won’t take much to burst Jacinda narrative apart, but it does take guts given how much the media and lefties howl and moan.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And she constantly needs Trevor Mallard to act as a circuit breaker/distractor when she descends into waffle-confusion mode.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:03am
    - coge
      
      Yes plenty of that term “Wouldabin” being repeated.
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:17am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Lucia Maria: “effect Chris Luxon’s questions had on Jacinda Ardern, which was to become incredibly angry.”
    
    I watched it. My take was she was just somewhat snarky. Would be good to see her lose her sh** though. If not just to see the smug condescending veneer fall off.
    
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    December 8, 2021 4:11pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      NZer In Exile, yeah, it was probably subtle. That snarkiness was restrained, intense anger to me. Could hear it in her voice and see it in her body. If the questions could be really driven home, you’d see loss of control.. it was pretty close, I think. But the questioning would have to be ramped up.
      
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      December 8, 2021 5:41pm
- Justitia
  
  Luxon and National are right at this stage to focus on the micro-economic fallout of Labour’s pandemic management. He must sheet home the point that Labour’s failure to invest in a timely way in extra hospital capacity required it to impose draconian lockdowns on Auckland and elsewhere that cost people their livelihoods (27,000 plus small business were lost) and also their lives in instances where surgery or treatments were delayed, and of course suicides. Investing in extra capacity was an act of prudence in a pandemic which could still spin out of control, but Labour failed to give priority to doing so.
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:48am
- solarsailer
  
  Is Soper really aware of what life is like outside of Wellington? I really doubt the state of the crown accounts or the reserve bank are at the forefront of most people’s minds. The rest of the world is moving on from Covid, but Ardern is refusing to let us move on to. Most of us would rather be getting back to the way things were without internal borders, passports, and all the other ineffective measures this Government imposes on us.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:12pm
Lee C

“The NZ government agreed commercial terms with a single company for vaccine supply. It is possible that vital information was withheld. The public was kept in ignorance of known risks. This has divided our society and undermined our fundamental Kiwi tolerance on the basis of not only incomplete but misleading safety data.

The government is asleep at the wheel. Knowing full well that safety trials were incomplete, the government apparently accepted information supplied by multinational commercial interests at face value. This should be a ‘never again’ moment. There are huge lessons to be learned and an apology owed to the whole population. The provisions of the NZ BIll of Rights should be given constitutional status. The vaccine mandates should be withdrawn and those affected by them compensated. The proposed vaccination of 5 -11 year olds should be stopped.”

https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/pfizer-post-authorisation-information-revealed-implications-for-public-policy/?fbclid=IwAR2VrvODOpvR8tP7ydqsnptuDG7kvyfqFqQHm4N7_B3GTAnVZf8WnhJJjHA
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December 8, 2021 8:02am
- Observer of Life
  
  Lee C: I read that a couple of days ago. Shocking revelations about the safety of what they are now demanding we all take. The whole programme should be halted until investigated fully. Especially with the large number of adverse effects that have been reported. It is quite frightening and I now regret having been jabbed with this concoction.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:55am
  - rouppe
    
    As an observer of life, have you had an adverse reaction?
    
    If you haven’t you’re not going to get one now
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:26am
    - Bigted
      
      That’s not necessarily true. In particular, you might want to read the following, especially the part on DES -Diethylstilbestrol. “DES is a devastating cautionary tale that illustrates the importance of following the precautionary principle when assessing potential long term risks from new medicines, including from Covid-19 mRNA injections.”
      
      https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/11/helen-egmont-shots-in-dark-myocarditis.html
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:05am
    - Sacha
      
      That’s a bold claim, rouppe, but everyone who has taken part in the vaccination programme (boosters included) is part of the world-wide ‘clinical trial’ group which will be ongoing for the next decade. Objectors are the ‘control group’ against whom the trial group stats will be measured.
      We do not know which adverse reactions might cause after-effects to emerge in the coming years as health statistics are accumulated and analysed.
      
      Who knows what statistics will reveal about, say, pericarditis in the young adult? Will there be a rise in incidence during the vaccination programme – and will there be any ongoing after-effects of the illness? What if the pericarditis leads to myocarditis? Will it affect a person’s ability to work, exercise, breathe? Will those people recover their good health and lead an active, long life? Or will they need constant medical support forever?
      
      Will there be any long term effects of the lives of the small children who are shortly to be subjected to the vaccine? What will be the effects on their immune systems? Of course, there may not be any, but we DO NOT KNOW. And yet we are willing to gamble that all will be well.
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:29am
    - krazykiwi
      
      No so, sadly. There is growing evidence of permanent heart damage in some people, and cardiac event rates are well above average in countries that report them regularly.
      
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      December 8, 2021 2:06pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Weirdly KK your general claims are let through without anal-grade “citations” but I get deleted for posting an actual case which can easily be googled.
        
        https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/exafl-star-in-intensive-care-after-reaction-to-covid-booster-shot/news-story/b80f494fdbb66d542186fb180facc699
        
        [yours appeared to be a very specific case whereas the KK comment was generalised. Abuse other Mods again and you’ll get a commenting holiday for Christmas – Mod]
        
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        December 8, 2021 3:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Abuse other Mods again and you’ll get a commenting holiday for Christmas”
        
        Okily Dokily. Noted. ? I should have put a smiley next to the “Karen”!! It was tongue in cheek.
        
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        December 8, 2021 4:01pm
      - Jim
        
        Yep where is the accredited press pushing this question to Bloomfield. Reported here in GB News:
        https://youtu.be/gJ8t0qQ5R4I
        
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        December 9, 2021 5:12am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      [deleted, unsubstantiated claim – Mod]
      
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      December 8, 2021 2:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ok, I’ll post a link, Karen.
        
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        December 8, 2021 3:18pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Rouppe: “have you had an adverse reaction? If you haven’t you’re not going to get one now. ”
      
      I don’t see how you can possibly know that. ALL vaccines have some people getting reactions (some life threatening). These vaccines are emergency vaccines, obviously without a relatively long track record so it would not be surprising if there were unforeseen side effects.
      
      And for the narrative gatekeepers and social posers, I’ve been double jabbed with Astra, #$ck you very much!
      
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      December 8, 2021 3:34pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        You may not be aware that like pretty much everything not useful to the maintenance of the body, the vaccine is cleared from the body within days. This is why any vaccine reaction is seen within a week or two, and this is how we can be certain he will not have a reaction now. You obviously can’t react to something that is not there.
        
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        December 8, 2021 9:52pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Rouppe: Can you guarantee that? Do you know the long term effects of this concoction? Pfizer don’t.. so how on earth do you know?
      
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      December 9, 2021 9:05am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I believe boosters will be ignored by a lot more people, other than high risk occupations, the elderly and those with comobidities. Although over 100k have been boosted to date.
    
    As soon as Omicron is proven to be less harmful than Delta the better, we are at peak Vax immunity, falling daily.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:30am
- bronny1
  
  There has to be something in that contract that prevents the gov talking about adverse reactions, about research, about treatments. It is insidious.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:05am
- Fletch
  
  Totally damning. Reinforces to me that I was right not to take the shot. This whole affair will go down in infamy. Someone is going to have to answer for this.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:43am
- Fight4NZ
  
  If you could point any specific data from the referenced report that supports any of those assertions that would be good. It would definitely help rebuff claims that this is just another case of unsubstantiated antivaxxer fear porn based on poor data interpretation leading to misdirection.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:39pm
mikenmildagain

Happy Feast of the Immaculate Conception!
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December 8, 2021 8:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  You should be more careful with words.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Could you suggest a better form of expressing goodwill for this important celebration in Catholic mythology?
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:57am
    - RightNow
      
      Not without upsetting the mods
      
      [Mod: Upset the mods at your own peril 🙂 ]
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:23am
    - NoFax
      
      Often dismissed as a day for pious old ladies I have been drawn more and more to this day and what it says about human freedom.
      
      Since Mary was conceived without original sin, when the time came for her to be bear Jesus Christ her choice was totally free. All our choices have mixed motives at best. But without sin Mary was able to freely chose the most excellent.
      
      Contrast to the last woman to freely chose (Eve) – she chose death whereas Mary chose life. For me this day speaks about something very deep in our souls about our freedom that can’t easily be expressed.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:26am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Fearporn has a long and manipulative history.
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:09am
      - John Pakes
        
        Totally free? I seem to remember that she had, under government decree, to shift from one town to another?
        Can someone correct my history if I am wrong please.
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Koran tells us that it was Adam who was tempted by the devil to eat of the Tree of Eternity.
        
        https://www.al-islam.org/al-mizan-exegesis-quran-volume-1-sayyid-muhammad-husayn-tabatabai/suratul-baqarah-verses-35-39
        
        https://quran.com/20/120-135
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:24am
      - Steve Todd
        
        What a pious load of complete and utter nonsense.
        
        Pope Pius IX put out an encyclical, to do with ‘The Immaculate Conception’, on 8 December 1854 — https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9ineff.htm — hence mikenmildagain’s comment at 8:02AM.
        
        In 1943, Pope Pius XII put out an encyclical ‘On the Mystical Body of Christ’, in which it is stated that the Virgin Mother of God possessed a “sinless soul”, and was “free from all sin, original or personal”. See paragraph 110 — yes, I scim-read it, to save you the bother — here: https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi.html.
        
        My point is, these papal assertions were made 1,900 years after the death of the historical figure we know as Jesus Christ, who, while he probably did live — we can’t be 100% certain of that — most certainly was not the Son of God — how could he be, when there is no such thing as ‘gods’, Abrahamic, or otherwise?
        
        Jesus Christ was not ‘immaculately’ conceived, or Mary ‘sinless’ — both of which are impossible, and therefore patent nonsense — just because these two popes said so. It is because of these two encyclicals, and the fact that untold millions of Catholics fervently accept them, that I regard the Catholic Church as nothing more than a Mary cult.
        
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        December 8, 2021 2:55pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Steve Todd: “there is no such thing as ‘gods’, Abrahamic, or otherwise.”
        
        A bold assertion. I DO like many people have reasons to doubt the religious/cult assertions about their various deities.
        
        However, it kind of seems to be an arrogant and presumptive step too far to completely eliminate the possibility of ANY kind of higher power.
        
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        December 8, 2021 3:41pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @NZer In Exile @ 3:41PM
        
        I disagree.
        
        It is the religionists who make the fantastical claim that there is a creator god, who made the universe and everything in it, and to whom we all must supplicate ourselves.
        
        I don’t have to prove my assertion that there is no creator god / higher power (which, in my view, is the logical position that any rational person would take). It is the task of religionists to prove that there is such an entity.
        
        Until they do so, I shall remain a secular humanist.
        
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        December 8, 2021 4:11pm
      - RdM
        
        “Jesus Christ was not ‘immaculately’ conceived, or Mary ‘sinless’ — both of which are impossible, and therefore patent nonsense — just because these two popes said so.”
        
        Translation errors, according to the late Sir Laurence Gardner.
        Along with many other errors and omissions.
        
        From a transcription of his “Bloodline Of The Holy Grail” lecture:
        
        http://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish2.html
        
        To facilitate the best possible trust in the Gospels, we must go back to the original Greek manuscripts with their often used Hebrew and Aramaic words and phrases. In this respect, we discover that (just as with the Nativity story) a good deal of relevant content has been misrepresented, misunderstood, mistranslated, or simply just lost in the telling. Sometimes this has happened because original words have no direct counterpart in other languages.
        
        [ … ]
        
        Another example is the concept of the Virgin Birth. English-language Gospels tell us that Jesus’s mother Mary was a ‘virgin’ and, as we understand the word, it denotes a woman with no experience of sexual union. But this was translated not from the Greek initially but from the Latin, which referred to her as being a virgo, meaning nothing more than a ‘young woman’. To have meant the same thing as ‘virgin’ does today, the Latin would have been virgo intacta – that is to say, a ‘young woman intact’.
        
        Looking back beyond the Latin text we discover that the word translated to virgo (a young woman) was the old Semitic word almah which meant the very same: a ‘young woman’, and it had no sexual connotation whatever. Had Mary actually been physically virgo intacta, the Semitic word used would have been bethulah, not almah.
        
        Start here for the introduction to the whole lecture:
        
        http://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html
        
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        December 8, 2021 4:49pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Steve Todd: “It is the religionists who make the fantastical claim that there is a creator god, who made the universe and everything in it, and to whom we all must supplicate ourselves.”
        
        Yes they do and I can’t see what valid reasons they have to assert these very prescriptive (not to mention contradictory) things. HOWEVER, none of us really know what this existence is all about (if it’s actually “about” anything). Therefore I see it is *possible* there is some higher power (apparently so far completely hidden) that we simply don’t know about.
        
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        December 8, 2021 5:22pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Okay, NZer.
        
        As I say, until some “possible” higher power “that we simply don’t know about” is revealed to us, I will continue to adhere to my secular humanism.
        
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        December 8, 2021 7:20pm
    - Jack5
      
      Milky hammers Christian mythology.
      
      Not so much other those of other religions or of indigenous peoples.
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:04am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The islamic response to those who question or ridicule their dogma tends to be rather pointed Other religions are far safer targets.
        
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        December 8, 2021 5:19pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I withdraw my comment. It’s not proper to mock the immaculate conception as indeed it was leading to the seasonal celebration of our Saviours birth as a joint divine human infant.
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:35pm
- Cassandra
  
  If Jesus was born on the 25th this seems a tad late.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:55am
  - NoFax
    
    You are confusing the Virgin Birth, the Annunciation, and the Immaculate Conception.
    
    Today marks the day that Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin. The Annunciation – 25 of March – is the day Mary was asked to bear Jesus and He was conceived without original sin and conceived as a virgin.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:20am
  - Ehlana
    
    It would be Cassandra, but this refers to a Roman Catholic belief that Mary herself had an immaculate conception (i.e. she was free of sin from conception) and had a sinless lifespan. They also celebrate the nativity (birth) of Mary and it is indeed 9 months from today, on September 8.
    The conception of Jesus is celebrated on 25 March.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:41am
    - Swifty
      
      Why would non-immaculate conception be regarded as a sin?
      
      Sorry, I don’t get it.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ah….
        we are conceived in sin….
        Psalm 51:5
        https://biblehub.com/psalms/51-5.htm
        
        Tho’, thank God, the Muslims don’t believe in Original sin.
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:09am
      - NoFax
        
        Original sin is analogous to sin and not actual sin. It means we live with the consequences of sin i.e. death and the tendency to commit sin or “trend down” without grace.
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:17am
      - Ehlana
        
        Swifty, “original sin” refers to both the first sin (when man first disobeyed God), and to the idea that because of this all of us are born tainted and with the tendency to do wrong.
        
        The immaculate conception of Mary is the idea that she was born free of this taint.
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:49am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I’m not a Catholic nor a theologian but scriptures make it plain God chose a woman whom He regarded as proper to bring forth His Child.
        
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        December 8, 2021 12:39pm
    - bythesea
      
      I have never understood the Virgin Mary worship thing of the Catholic church. Seems like idolatry to me.
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:15am
      - Fletch
        
        I know it might be difficult to understand, but we do not worship Mary. We only honor her as the mother of Christ. Mary herself prophesied: “For behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.” (Luke 1:48-49).
        
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        December 8, 2021 10:50am
      - Don Beckett
        
        She’s not worshipped – that is to God alone. She is honoured and revered as a unique woman who bore the Saviour 0f the world.
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:04am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It’s actually Noam Chomsky’s birthday today mike. Were you not in the know…?
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:27am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Well yesterday our time, but I thought you might have acknowledged it
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:29am
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127212385/why-christopher-luxons-first-question-time-was-a-success-but-also-showed-jacinda-arderns-extra-gears

That’s two articles in two days from Luke Malpass which could be described as complementary to Luxon.

One swallow doesn’t make a spring, but is the media thinking of removing it’s blinkers?
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December 8, 2021 8:02am
- curry4me
  
  slightlyrighty: No, they’re trying to give the appearance of objectivity. Maybe there are more Cindybucks in the offing.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:24am
  - artemisia
    
    More likely the quietly increasing risk of taxpayer koha drawing to a close. Not a done deal of course but no harm in a bob each way.
    
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    December 8, 2021 3:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That might be a ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ argument. Any personal dislike of media coverage is equated with media bias, but reading something considered favourable shows a lack of media bias.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:27am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    No, it’s an instance of “the exception proves the rule.” If the media were not so ideologically biased, there would be nothing to say when they behaved relatively objectively and without obvious bias.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:29am
- Raphael
  
  but is the media thinking of removing it’s blinkers?
  
  or subtly reminding the Government that the Media Appreciation Fund may be in need for a top-up soon to keep them on message.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:29am
- Simon
  
  “but is the media thinking of removing it’s blinkers?”
  
  stuff is mental illness. You are suffering from battered wife syndrome.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:32am
- gravedodger
  
  I am thinking it is a residual relief inspired by the demise of Judith Collins as a threat, that has induced a euphoric loss of reason, normal service to be resumed as soon as we have the narrative, due in ten nine eight— seconds
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:49am
- Scott
  
  slightly righty – I think Karl Du Fresne nailed it when he said that the media will only go against the Labour Party line just enough to give the appearance of objectivity. I think Luke Malpass has been given the job of slightly disagreeing with the Prime Minister from time to time.
  
  The real wonder of this labour government term has been a complete capitulation of the media to Jacinda and the government messaging on Covid. When one reads stuff and news hub today one is reminded of Pravda, the Russian Communist Party newspaper.
  The other incredibly disturbing aspect is the total messaging that is reminiscent of the George Orwell dystopian nightmare. You turn on the radio, Covid messaging, you watch the TV news, government Covid messaging, Facebook, YouTube, government Covid messaging. You even get government Covid messaging over the loudspeakers going to a toilet in the mall and while having a coffee in an airport.
  Unfortunately this government has interpreted George Orwell not as a cautionary tale but as an instruction manual.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:17am
  - Leofric
    
    Other than the dystopian ubiquitousness of it all, the thing that really twists my tits about all the Covid messaging is how it appears to assume that we’re all incredibly stupid and childlike. I find it all insulting and patronising.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:05am
- NoFax
  
  I think the media can see where things are heading – National will form the next government. Cut a deal now.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:27am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Don’t cut a deal now, cut them loose now. If the propagandists now want to switch sides, tell them to fuck off and learn to code or something. Other than functioning as a propaganda disseminator, the MSM is totally irrelevant and unnecessary in this day and age.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:35am
70andstilllearning

Psst!! – if your planning to come up thru the Northland checkpoints don’t forget to put a glass scraper in your glovebox. You’ll need it to remove the te reo “Star of David” graffiti afterwards.
‘ Tai Tokerau Border Control regional co-ordinator Rueben Taipari said the checks will be quick and easy for cars where everyone has a vaccine pass.
“If everybody in your car has the proper vaccination passports and identification that’s already been pre-organised, you just show it to the person with the technology or scanning that is there, the interviewer, they will immediately go through.
“Once it’s all done, they have a sticker that they put on your car just to say that you’ve been through there.
“It’s a great sticker saying thankyou to everybody on behalf of all of the collaborating partners that’s working on this: Tai Tokerau Border Control, NZ Police, DHB, iwi leaders, everybody involved, just to say that we’re looking forward to everyone coming home.” ‘
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018823605/northland-covid-border-checkpoints-set-for-uretiti-maungaturoto

And we’re told it’s all about “health” – seems that Bloomfield doesn’t agree!:
“Our advice was that the ‘hard or enforced’ boundary around Auckland should be removed when Auckland and the rest of the country move to the CPF (Covid Protection Framework, which is the traffic light system),” Bloomfield’s written evidence to the tribunal said.
“This is because there will be no public health justification to maintain a boundary around Auckland under the CPF. Put another way, the boundary around Auckland has served its purpose. It has been effective, alongside other public health measures, in greatly reducing the risk of the virus ‘escaping’ Auckland.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-revealed-the-public-health-advice-to-have-auckland-unshackled-by-now-and-why-jacinda-ardern-rejected-it/JEGM2JZOSTDJIZXL3UXKMYPJ4A/
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December 8, 2021 8:05am
- Julie
  
  Another reason to refuse the sticker- it will identify you as an out of towner and potentially meet hostility.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:14am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Or mark your car as ripe for breaking in to!
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:43am
  - Over Taxed Worker
    
    Or more likely get your car broken into.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:44am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Lol – except I won’t be an “out of towner”. Got to go thru AKL to do a little job that’s been deferred for the last 4 months ( not considered “essential” by the powers that be) . Only people that are likely to get close to me will be the “checkpoint” idiots.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:14am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Too many individuals with the magpie syndrome norf of da boarder. A sticker might incentivise them. Can Aucklanders ask for the same sticker when Northland residents drive down to Auckland?
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:30am
  - Diogenes
    
    So a Maori is being given the legal right to pin on me a sticker that says I am “acceptable”. Hmm, where have I heard something like that before? If the reverse was the case — ie, that I was given the right to pin a sticker on a Maori that says he’s “acceptable”, there would quite rightly be hell to pay.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:58am
  - Scooter
    
    Or they message the cuzzies in Auckland that the owners are on holiday, easy pickings
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:48pm
- G152
  
  Wow.
  Your own brand.
  To ‘prove’ you are allowed to travel through New Zealand
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:16am
- cmm
  
  So one person drives through and gets the sticker, goes back and picks up a van full…
  
  The system really is there for theatre.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:16am
  - Maxx
    
    They’ll realise this shortly and start giving all the desirable people special armbands to wear.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:20am
    - Bigted
      
      [try holocaust comparisons again and you’ll receive an exceedingly long holiday – Mod]
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:12am
      - Aquataur
        
        Just what is the issue with holocaust comparisons?
        
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        December 8, 2021 8:46pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    You got cmm – bit like the vax passport with no photo 🙂
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:22am
- alex Masterley
  
  Happily I am not going north this summer. Otherwise anyone trying to sticker my car would be told to eff off.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:17am
- k1w1
  
  Reading some anti-Auckland sentiment from the far north, there is NO WAY they are putting a sticker on my car (or bike) identifying me as an Aucklander up on a visit. Worse than rental car signs on cars in Jo’Burg.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:17am
  - graham
    
    It would be an open invitation to get your car keyed at the very least I imagine …
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:46am
    - tf78
      
      Stealing wheels is very popular up there – most inconvenient over Christmas.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:45am
  - alloytoo
    
    Bloody GP plates in Durban driving like morons.
    
    Cause they’ve never driven their car at sea level before.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  And it is going to take 300 police.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:18am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Mind you it took 5 police officers to move an unpassported disabled man with a prosthetic leg from an outdoor cafe table in Whanganui today, so… nothing surprises. Mind you they probably have heaps more cops available now we’ve been told as the leading story in the herald today, that gangs arent’ really the problem and have been unfairly blamed.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:43pm
- Rich Prick
  
  This over-reach has to be stopped.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    We need a group of lawyers to step up
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:32am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have they had the media bribe too? Once the Law Societies NZ wide would have knocked the govt off its pedestal. The Attorney General would not have let its govt proceed.
      
      The govt can be challenged in Court on procedural matters which conflict with the Bill of Rights. The Courts rightly take the line that they cannot question Parliament’s sovereign authority as to law making but they can poke around the edges as to how “laws” work together.
      
      HM through her Gov General could possibly intervene. No one previously expected a rogue incompetent govt with such a majority as to be dictators by election. We got what we voted for with MMP delivering the worst via Winston’s abberant selection.
      
      The only power of change now is the people. The Opposition could trigger a confrontation if they have the courage. Without that, horror awaits. We do need a formal constitutional mechanism to prevent this ever happening again.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:07am
    - thirteenstars
      
      That’s what a group of lawyers did with the Free Speech Union, and they are doing great work, but I wonder how many here have taken the time to part with a miniscule fraction of the massive capital gain in their property portfolios to support that organisation with a hefty and ongoing donation?
      
      https://www.fsu.nz/donate
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:11am
- curry4me
  
  70andstillstanding: Fake stickers to appear in 5,4,3,2,1.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:25am
- Philip Hart
  
  Traffic light stickers
  
  Red, already been burgled
  Orange, nothing worth stealing
  Green, fair game, full of fishing gear, wallet in glovebox
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:33am
- Yvette
  
  70andstilllearning – regarding guarding the ghetto
  Will the border patrols be equally stopping the “unvaccinated” from within the Northland “gated” safety zone from venturing out into the dangerously infected world beyond, like epicentre Auckland, and how do they (if they have escaped out) get back in?
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:37am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    You think Yvette? – look at the Northland unvaxxed distribution stats I posted in GD at 3:16 yesterday arvo. 🙂
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:28am
- Simon
  
  Protecting “their” community. Lol.
  
  The New Zealand Health Survey 2019/20 found that: around 1 in 3 adults (aged 15 years and over) were obese (30.9%) the prevalence of obesity among adults differed by ethnicity, with 63.4% of Pacific, 47.9% of Māori, 29.3% of European/Other and 15.9% of Asian adults obese.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/nz-health-statistics/health-statistics-and-data-sets/obesity-statistics
  
  Thats obese not just overweight.
  
  Some bunch of fat clowns going on about health. Clown world.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:42am
  - Julie
    
    That is far to PC a topic for anyone let alone government or health officials to bring up despite recent statistics from the US showing 40 percent of Covid dead obese regardless of age or vaccination status .
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:27am
    - Jim
      
      Renaming it the fatflu might make more of an impact and make people take personal responsibility for their own health.
      
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      December 8, 2021 8:22pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Polynesians respect obesity as denoting power, wealth and beauty. I kid you not. Chiefs daughters are fattened up to show their rank.
    
    The ancient practice likely comes from the Pacific hurricanes which can devastate an islands annual food supplies in a an hour. The ranked rulers needed to survive so extra bodily resources was very helpful. That continues to the present.
    
    It is likely that this may have become embedded genetically over time so the Maori tribal ancestors may have brought that too.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:31am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      This practice of fattening-for-disasters makes some sense in the context of pre-European civilising efforts, but is dangerously anachronistic in this contemporary world of abundant KFC, Maccas and Uber Eats.
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:48am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Northland’s smoking rate is pretty bad too. Now, if they really cared …
    
    https://tcdata.org.nz/Census%20data/Census_14.html
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:43am
  - thirteenstars
    
    NZ is one of the fattest major nations in the world. The joke’s always about fat Americans but Kiwis on average differ only by about 1.5kg on average.
    
    https://www.worlddata.info/average-bodyheight.php
    
    The data is obviously skewed by ethnicity. Maori/Pasifika or Black/Hispanic/Native Americans or Aboriginal Australians tend to be overrepresented in obesity figures. This about lifestyle and food choices, which often form a vicious circle.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:55am
    - Jack5
      
      Nine of the 10 countries with highest body mass index in the chart Thirteenstars links to are Polynesian. The tenth is Micronesian.
      
      Among flaws of the BMI are it doesn’t take account of muscle mass. Tubby folk who take up gym and modify their shape often find their BMI has risen.
      
      Here’s a criticism that the BMI is distorted by height:
      
      https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215#BMI-exaggerates-thinness-in-short-people-and-fatness-in-tall-people
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:39am
      - thirteenstars
        
        I was referring to the weight data, not the BMI.
        
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        December 8, 2021 3:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        Fair enough, Thirteen Stars.
        
        The table also shows that eight out of ten of the countries with the heaviest citizens are Polynesian states, while no Polynesian states appear in the top ten with tallest men, or tallest women.
        
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        December 8, 2021 3:37pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  What moral authority does a small handful of individuals have to block a state highway and demand the resources of the nation’s police force especially at a time of rapidly growing crime in Auckland?
  
  I know some despicable law was rushed through to make this abhorrent activity “legal” but there is no health justification, no practical gain, only abuse of our most basic rights.
  
  There needs to be a more concrete and determined fight against this evil.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:43am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Indeed, but not in NZ, where most people don’t even know a) we have a bill of rights, and b) that it’s important to protect those rights.
    
    There is a deeply dumb, anti-intellectual aspect to NZ culture that is credulous enough to accept all government action as essentially benign, so when it’s obviously malign there’s no defence possible, just a lot of mutterings about Team of Five Million, doing the right thing, and chopping the heads of those anti-social Tall Poppies.
    
    We’ve always been ripe for this kind of thing, it’s in our DNA. Come to think of it, I don’t know how we’ve managed to avoid it for so long. I guess all it took was a bad dose of the flu.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:34am
- gravedodger
  
  Will the “sticker” (Similar I am assuming to those to be banned currently adorning apples) have a star of David or similar identifying logo accompanying? asking for myself.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:32am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I would refuse the sticker. I don’t want unnecessary stickers on my car that perish over time and look like shit and then have to be scraped off and cleaned etc.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:41am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  Why don’t the checkpoints check for weapons, drugs etc as well? That would do more good for the people of the north than checking for Covid by uneducated morons.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:52am
- petenz
  
  I will be going Kerikeri to Warkworth return on the 16th.
  I will not be communicating or showing anything to anyone but a uniformed Police Officer, or a uniformed member of the Defence Force. Any other attempts at interaction will be videoed by my wife.
  What is the downside?
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:05am
  - Batman
    
    Good luck to you?
    
    Mind telling us what airport so we can avoid the inevitable queue delay and removal from private property?
    
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    December 8, 2021 2:04pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      Can you fly into Keri Keri?….will there be passport control there?
      
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      December 8, 2021 4:57pm
  - Jim
    
    Much kudos via a viral upload to Facebook
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:26pm
- Skippytony
  
  What do you think would happen if we put up a barrier 100 yards down the road and turned around any cars leaving that couldnt show evidence of full vaccination?
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:40am
- Jim
  
  I would be asking the ‘official’ to first show their own identification, photo ID and vaccine status and take either make a note, take a photograph, or better still video the entire interaction.
  
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  December 8, 2021 7:19pm
- Jim
  
  I would be asking the ‘official’ to first show their own identification, photo ID and vaccine status and either make a note, take a photograph, or better still video the entire interaction.
  
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  December 8, 2021 7:19pm
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The Media Pardy doing their seasonal hit piece on sun tan oils lack of effectiveness .

Would be nice to see them put the same effort into Kung Flu vaccines , lockdowns and mask mandates.
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December 8, 2021 8:07am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Press release by Consumer basically
  
  Easy hit
  
  https://www.consumer.org.nz/services/sunscreens/review
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:26am
- MCōs
  
  There’s been an endless stream of reports on the effectiveness of various vaccines.
  I’ve also read plenty of opinions expressed on the effectiveness of lockdowns and masks.
  
  As for the sunscreen article.
  There’s a lot of them available and it’s good to know which ones aren’t what they’re cracked up to be.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:18am
- Centrist
  
  If the government cared about public health and skin cancer they’d do something about the cost of sunscreen. For children it is probably the 2nd most used health protection behind toothpaste, yet costs a bomb and in summer should be reapplied every 2-3 hours.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:40am
  - Jim
    
    Centrist, I understand where you’re coming from regards such expenses, but two simple points:
    1. children are principally the parents financial responsibility; and,
    2. government money is OUR money taken via taxes, please don’t encourage these Labour libtard politicians to sink NZ into deeper debt.
    
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    December 8, 2021 7:23pm
mandk

@ LeeC

This is the worst part: “Knowing full well that safety trials were incomplete, the government apparently accepted information supplied by multinational commercial interests at face value.”

It implies that all those people who have been jabbed did not actually give informed consent.

Moreover, all those harmed by the jab have absolutely no come back against big pharma.

Thank you for caring, Jacinda //
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December 8, 2021 8:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My immune system has done more for me than Pfizer ever has.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:17am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I can assure you not only did I not give informed consent but I was given nothing to sign to say I had. This is sickening and our political class (all 5 parties) have blood on their hands.
  National better wake up over the break and start hammering the economic side of things soon as there will be many more businesses going under in the new year.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:17am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Yes, but the “economic side” is of course downstream of the massive state overreach. I don’t think you can address the one without first addressing the other.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:53am
  - mawm
    
    Put in a complaint to the Health and Disability Commissioner. He’s there to protect you. If there are enough complaints he’ll have to do something although he should by now be aware of the abuse of “Patients’ Rights” by the government.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:03pm
- cmm
  
  Nobody has had informed consent.
  
  To have informed consent, you’d need to have:
  * Much better disclosure of the pros and cons.
  * Zero coercion.
  * Information like antibody tests being available – not banned.
  * Proper information on risk factors: obesity, low Vit D etc. and information on how Vit D levels are extremely important.
  * Proper info on masks.
  …
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:20am
  - curry4me
    
    cmm: I wonder what the summer weather in Nuremberg is like?
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:27am
  - Simon
    
    “Vit D levels are extremely important.”
    
    Ties back to weight. If you are obese the Vit D doesnt move around the body in an efficient manner. It stays in the gut. That the same with other vitamins etc. If you are obese you can eat all the oranges you want its not going to help much.
    
    Weight is by far the most important. Coivd is an extension of issues relating to being too fat. When you look at the size of some people that go on about health around covid. Taking some fucking injection is supposed to save you by making the obese healthy. Its insane.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:49am
    - cmm
      
      My understanding is that you are at least partially correct: Vit D is stored in fat.
      
      This is historically good, especially for us whiteys. Until the 1800s, many, if not most, of us were farm labourers. During summer we ate well (storing fat) and worked outside making lots of VitD to store in that fat. During winter, farm labourers ate little and, essentially, hibernated living partially on that fat. As the fat was consumed it released the stored VitD in winter/ early spring when we need them most.
      
      Amazing how the body works!
      
      Then comes our modern lifestyle with infinite food. We no longer have these cycles and need alternative ways to control our Vit D levels.
      
      Vit D is marvelous stuff and low levels are linked to all sorts of health issues: respiratory, cardiovascular, bones, colon cancer, mental issues (especially mood/depression).
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:10am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Yes cmm as Critical Thinker explained a few months ago:
    
    “Informed consent to medical treatments, including vaccinations, is required in New Zealand. The same is true in the USA, the UK, the EU, Australia, and Canada. However, these governments, together with corrupt drug regulators, have trampled on what were once sacred rules forbidding deceptive and coercive medical treatments, instead launching a multibillion-dollar propaganda campaign of dread and mass-panic to obstruct the right to informed consent.
    
    In fact, claims of “95% effectiveness” are greatly overstated, since pharmaceutical companies and governments have skillfully utilised the extremely deceptive “Relative Risk Reduction” figures – while ignoring the genuine “Absolute Risk Reduction” value, which is less than 1%.
    
    That is when the vaccination deceit begins. This brief 3-minute video presentation below explains this. A person must provide consent to treatment before receiving any kind of medical treatment, test, or examination. This must be done with the help of a clinician’s explanation.
    
    To give informed consent you should never feel:
    A) Coerced
    B) Bribed
    C) Threatened
    
    Regardless of the treatment, whether it’s a medical examination, organ donation, or anything else, a patient’s consent is required. Medical ethics and international human rights legislation both rely heavily on the concept of consent.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR-NYrYyEls
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:05am
    - cmm
      
      Even if we accept the 95% (which I most certainly don’t), that was for the original variants.
      
      With Delta the effectiveness dropped and with Omicron it appears that it has dropped to zero effectiveness or close though we’re still waiting on quality stats there. The vax is basically obsolete.
      
      But still, the mantra continues: jab, jab, jab.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:14am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Even if the 95% claim was truthful, which, considering Pfizer’s track record is dodgy to say the least. The 95% is Relative Risk Reduction, a meaningless number unless used in conjunction with the Absolute Risk Reduction.
        The ARR for the Pfizer jab is 0.8% but that number doesn’t sell vaccines as well as 95%.
        
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        December 8, 2021 1:06pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The rules haven’t changed nor have our rights. It’s up to us to stop them. Let Mr Plod turn up at my door enquiring about my vaccine status. I expect it will be memorable for all parties.
      
      One way of stopping a Police fishing job is to require that they put all their questions in writing for referral to your counsel.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:40am
    - tf78
      
      Does crying in the doctors surgery saying you didn’t want it sound consensual to you – or was I coerced by family, friends and the doc? Reluctantly I’m off for my second today much against my better judgement.
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:27am
      - mawm
        
        The pressure is there and that is just what these leaders chosen by the Davos crowd want. They want you to give in, hence the creation of fear, so that next time you’ll do it with less resistance, and the time after, etc. Soon we’ll all be compliant sheep carrying around our social credit passes, having things taken away from us if we do not comply enough, giving in without complaint. Utopia beckons!
        
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        December 8, 2021 1:14pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It was that obvious lack of truth about the vaccines which lost my consent. With the evident public conflict about their nature and effects no informed consent was possible as I was not capable of evaluating the biologists reports. Further I was left with the distinct impression that the govt’s apparent exercise of control was not consistent with the international reports of their true nature. Their action was political not medical.
    
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    December 8, 2021 2:22pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s a cot of the Albanian contract. Apparently it is quite generic.
  These are questions being asked in the EU. There should be a link to the actual contract in the article. If not just Google “Albanian Pfizer contract”.
  https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-003956_EN.html#def1
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:50am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Here is the link to the leaked Pfizer contract with Albania. Out of my league but any legal beagles here looking for some light reading and analysis? It will be similar to NZ’s agreement no doubt.
    
    http://ti-health.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Albania-Pfizer.pdf
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:46am
    - Thumelicus
      
      Summary of the highlights.. 9.4 is my favorite, ring any bells??
      
      1.11 The government/purchaser is not allowed to share the contents of the Pfizer agreement with its citizens etc
      2 2.1 (b) Even if another drug is found to treat Covid the contract will stay in place and not change the “urgent needs for prevention of the spread of the covid-19 infection…”
      2 2.1 (c) The government/purchaser acknowledges that the product may not work as advertised due to any challenges or failures on the manufacturers or anybody else’s part
      2 2.1 (d) Even if Pfizer cannot deliver the product the government/purchaser cannot cancel the purchase (you pay in advance as per Section 3.2(a))
      2.5 Product shortages
      2.5 (a) Pfizer decides on the amount of doses the government/purchaser will receive, regardless of what the contract states, Pfizer decides how much and when it is delivered and the purchaser shall agree to this no matter what the time frame or amounts presented by Pfizer *Disclaimer – It appears that this is only in the event of a shortage, it is not known if this can be interpreted as if Pfizer may increase the dosages required of the vaccine*
      2.5 (b) The government/purchaser relinquishes any right to any law that would grant them recourse if the delivery of vaccines is not made
      2.6 You cannot return the vaccines and there are no penalties for late delivery
      3.2 The government/purchase cannot withhold any payments (or any other amount owed, for say other medication) owed to Pfizer for vaccines. *This is to close the late or no delivery loop for the vaccines*
      4.4 (a) The government/purchaser shall not be able to reject the vaccine based on any complaint received from any party
      5.5 The government/purchaser acknowledges that the efficacy and long-term side effects of the vaccine is not known and that there might be long term side effects. The government also acknowledges that the vaccine will not have serial numbers (used for tracking when things go wrong).
      6.5 (b) even if the contract is terminated or expires the following shall stay in force among other 2.1 (b-d), 2.5(b), 2.6, 4.4, 5.5, 8, 9.3, 9.4, 10
      8.1 The government/purchaser agrees to indemnify and hold Pfizer/BioNTech harmless for any damage, claims, losses penalties, fines that might arise from the use of the vaccine
      8.2 The government/purchaser must defend Pfizer if claims arise from the use of the vaccine, the government/purchaser shall pay all expenses, including attorney’s fees that may arise. Pfizer shall be allowed to take control of the defence against the claim that the government/purchaser must defend and fund on behalf of Pfizer
      8.4 All cost arising from claims against Pfizer shall be paid by the government/purchaser in quarterly instalments.
      9.3 the government/purchaser gives up the right to any immunity under any law that might put a cap on the amount of damages that might have to be paid to Pfizer (among other, if the agreement is leaked to the public it is assumed). The court will reside in New York and is granted the ability to hold the government/purchaser’s international assets if the contract is broken
      9.4 The government/purchaser must provide Pfizer liability protection by changing laws and regulations in the country to which the vaccines are administered, changes must be made in line with Pfizer’s direction.
      10. The government/purchaser shall only share this agreement with representatives that will be responsible to fulfil what has been agreed upon.
      10.4 The contract shall be kept confidential for 10 years from date it comes into force
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:13am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Wow. Cheers.
        
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        December 8, 2021 1:08pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Who would sign a contract like that?
        What does it say about the supplier party?
        It’s more like an agreement with the Mafia than a health coy.
        
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        December 8, 2021 2:25pm
    - Thumelicus
      
      This contract has been in circulation since January 2021.. It was accidentally published on the Albanian government’s website.. Apparently, and I cannot confirm this, the contract is similar to the Brazilian one and some that have been seen in the EU. It is worth comparing the heavily redacted EU contract to this one, some information can be deduced from the ‘meta data’.. if two paragraphs, one redacted and one from the Albanian non-redacted, are similar in size with similar spacing pre and post etc, the contents might very well be somewhat similar. If you have access or found the EU one, please share the link so I can have a look. For anybody sneering at the thought of comparing meta data.. you have no clue how much such information is worth, the sheer volume of personal meta data shared among Facebook, google etc have built the worlds largest corporations with power to steer government, public opinion and whole societies.
      
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      December 8, 2021 2:09pm
- alphabeatrium
  
  It’s impossible to be fully informed, mRNA vaccines are too new for long-term health effects to be known, by anyone without a time machine. That’s just logic, not anti-vaccination rhetoric.
  
  It’s also extremely questionable that anyone has given full consent. I certainly didn’t feel like I was fully consenting: what pushed me over was the impending exclusion from my friends’ weddings. Not that my friends want to exclude me, but rather it’s a condition of their venues, which in turn are coercive requirements from government. Filtering up the chain, this is a very soft form of coercion, but it still seems reasonably classifiable as a form of coercion that disqualifies FULL consent among anyone who is otherwise hesitant.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:51am
  - Jim
    
    Medsafe reports an incredible 240 myocarditis cases in NZ since August (when vaccine rollout accelerated due to Delta). Yet their own safety report downplays this citing a study that demonstrated a case rate of 1 per million.
    
    https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-36.asp#analysis
    
    Helloooooo Medsafe……..the current NZ total (since Feb 21) of 270+ cases is clearly 80x (yes 80 times) higher than the cited evidenced study!
    
    Heart complaints linked to mRNA vaccines are starting to emerge, like this recent cardiologist report in the UK media
    https://youtu.be/gJ8t0qQ5R4I edia
    
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    December 9, 2021 7:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Doesn’t seem like some cops are too convinced about the need for road checkpoints in Northland.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/457448/police-union-wants-iwi-to-prove-value-of-northland-border-checkpoints
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December 8, 2021 8:09am
- mandk
  
  How dare the cops question the iwi.
  
  The cops are raaaaaacist!
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:11am
  - pdm
    
    mandk – If you are not Klueless Kelvin please give appropriate acknowledgements when quoting him. lol..
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:37am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Auckland plod want nothing of the checkpoints – that is why they are exporting new recruits from all over the country to man the checkpoints.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:58am
- alex Masterley
  
  I think the cops see the benefits of the checkpoints being outweighed by the push back they will recieve.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  Cahill’s a knob ‘ed saying iwi need to prove effectiveness.
  
  This is being done under the authority of rushed amendment to Public Health Act ( as I understand) . The fault lies entirely with the gurnermunt and any societal institutions who’re there to hold power to account ( Media pardy) etc who let this pass and continue without the most vehement of opposition.
  
  “Iwi” don’t need to prove anything and have won a huge victory in destroying the long fought for notion of equality for all before the law. Shocking.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:26am
- RoboRob
  
  Saw the Police union guy on TV this morning saying that police were not happy. He blamed the govt (which is obviously true) and absolved the police commissioner as he was just following orders.
  
  Now I’m no expert on this but I am pretty sure the law that Labour passed was to let police deputise others (IWI) to assist with covid duties. The MOH, MBIE etc have not asked for a northland border, so the police commissioner has no need to send staff and deputise IWI unless he chooses to. The police commissioner is a de facto member of the Labour party enforcing Labour policy to appease the Maori wing of the Labour party.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The checkpoints are amazingly valuable in Ngapuhi showing their tribal status. Can Ngaitahu do that?
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:43am
Lee C

These nutters are actually criticising the government: https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=61ade27baf8419060cea6699&fbclid=IwAR36stTEy0Y9-3TZl-_niTXc4vaSfKZ6FO6f-wIiHXDT5Yjtmxi8OYsw00Y
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December 8, 2021 8:09am
Tony Stuart

Once again, Dr Ardern and her Cabinet of health professionals have ignored the advice of Director-General of Health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield:

Auckland boundary restrictions should have already been lifted and the whole country, bar Auckland and Northland, should be in the orange setting, according to previously unreleased public health advice.

The Ministry of Health also initially thought some regions should start in green – though this was later revised due to the spread of Delta – despite its concerns that starting the traffic light system in early December could put vulnerable Māori at greater risk.

This warning was outlined in a ministry paper on November 24, two days after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had already announced the new system starting from December 3.

Ardern ultimately took a far more cautious stance than the ministry, with several districts outside Auckland and Northland — Taupō and Rotorua Lakes, Kawerau, Whakatane, Ōpōtiki, Gisborne, Wairoa, Rangitikei, Whanganui and Ruapehu — also in red for at least two weeks, no region in green, and movement in and out of Auckland only starting from December 15.

The public health advice is contained in director general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield’s affidavit to the Waitangi Tribunal, which this week is looking into whether the Covid-19 response and the traffic light system are consistent with Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-revealed-the-public-health-advice-to-have-auckland-unshackled-by-now-and-why-jacinda-ardern-rejected-it/JEGM2JZOSTDJIZXL3UXKMYPJ4A/

Dr Bloomfield must be wondering why he and his team bother providing expert advice, only to have Dr Ardern and her team reject it. claiming they know better.

And all credit to National leader Chris Luxon who, in light of this development among other things, is calling for the Auckland border to be opened tonight rather than next Wednesday. I expect he will receive widespread support.
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December 8, 2021 8:12am
- nathie
  
  It could also be interesting to find out whether the PM had a press conference (or one of her Ministers, if they were standing in for her), and whether she uttered those weasel words she uses where she states “following MoH advice, Cabinet has decided to …” (in other words did Labour try and spin their decision making as coming from the DG Health (sheeting “blame” elsewhere), when in fact Labour’s Cabinet made the decision)?
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Surely you’re not suggesting our beloved Prime Minister would set out to mislead us nathie…
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:00am
  - Jim
    
    I really thought we lived in a Democracy, but clearly under Jabcinda Ardern it’s an Autocracy?
    Come on Mr Luxon, get our free country back and unite all kiwis, by healing the gaping division created by the inexperienced and authoritarian Ardern (race, cultural, medical, inter regional).
    
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    December 8, 2021 7:39pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s not a government, it’s a dictatorship.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:52am
  - pdm
    
    More a Cabal I think CM.
    
    Headed by Jacinda with Robbo and Chippy pulling the strings on Covid and the (so called) Maori Caucus dictating everything else.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:08am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I thought we lived in an autonomous collective! An anarcho-syndicalist commune or something. Am i just fooling myself?
    
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    December 8, 2021 5:26pm
- Random T Person
  
  People need to STOP complying with crazy government mandates. ALL of them. They cannot enforce a damned thing if the PEOPLE don’t allow this abuse. STOP scanning, STOP completing registers, STOP wearing masks.
  But…don’t STOP for iwi checkpoints.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:52am
- RoboRob
  
  I must say I have no problem with a government ‘ignoring’ advice. A govts roll is to look at the big picture, take advice from multi sources and implement policy for the benefit of the public. Blindly following the advice of once source, even the beloved Bloomfied, is what has gotten this world into this mess.
  
  For once I agree with Bloomfield but that doesn’t mean I change my principles and say that the govt has to follow his advice to the letter.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:57am
- Frank the tank
  
  St Ash is a nervous Neville went it comes to Kungflu. If he isn’t worried then you can rest assured the risk is low.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:59am
- Ruahine
  
  So there we have it.
  Aucklanders being subjected to more bullying and bossiness from the petulant Ardern for no other reason than the enjoyment of the abuse of power and racial and political favouritism for a few.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:06am
David Garrett

Don Brash has put out a PR asking some very pertinent questions about these proposed checkpoints. While he doesn’t specifically refer to gang members, he does ask what steps have been taken to check that “criminals” are not part of the workforce.

Penny to a pound of shit some if not many of “iwi representatives” Coster signs off on will be members of a quite different iwi – or rather two – one with red badges of office, the other with blue.

I have no immediate plans to head up north, but when and if I do, I certainly won’t be showing anything to anyone – white brown or brindle – who is not wearing a police uniform.
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December 8, 2021 8:14am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  DG -someone asked me the following question last night.
  “Are they bringing in all these extra police because they can’t find enough community controllers without a criminal record?”
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It will be fun to watch. As I read the new law these appointed iwi representatives have the power to stop your car, scan your pass and ask for photo ID. It is astounding. And it was all passed under urgency.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:20am
  - David Garrett
    
    BY: I believe there will be bloodshed this summer. As I said on another thread recently it will happen like this: a few tradies who like to surf will head north to surf some of the Northland spots. They’ll pass through the legitimate checkpoint OK, but then will be stopped short of the beach by an “iwi” checkpoint…Gang thugs appointed by Hone the Racist will then demand to see their passes. Tradies will tell them to get fucked…and then it will be all on.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:24am
    - graham
      
      Yep. I suspect that Hone’s thugs on duty at the official checkpoints will be doing everything they can to intimidate EVERY Aucklander – even fully vaccinated ones – who try to travel up north, and let them know that if they continue up North, they can expect trouble.
      
      And even if you do make it through the official checkpoints, how many UNOFFICIAL checkpoints will quietly spring up? And if you look like an out-of-towner, then the further North you travel the more unpleasant I imagine your reception will become.
      
      Good to hear David Seymour call them for what they are – thugs.
      
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      December 8, 2021 8:34am
      - Jim
        
        Just video the checkpoint interaction, that will afford some security in case something untoward occurs.
        
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        December 8, 2021 7:42pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      WokeCoster said they will be monitoring this. Do you trust him?
      
      Hint – try accessing Parakiri beach.
      
      What it will do is lose Labour every electorate seat North of the Harbour Bridge in 2023.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:01am
    - artemisia
      
      Those tradies best leave someone behind in their vehicle. Believe Maggie Pie reckons a can of oven spray is useful. For the BBQ grills of course.
      
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      December 8, 2021 3:43pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    And your address and occupation
    
    May seem minor but you’ve just told some random in hi-vis where there’s an empty house and enough details to order a credit card
    
    But hey, nothing to worry about as I’m completely convinced that the iwi will have the correct data management, storage and deletion in place and the guys collecting the data will be totally trustworthy. Yeah. Right.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:34am
    - westernScientest
      
      I just need a few more details, what was your mothers madien name? and the name of your first pet was?
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:08am
      - Ruahine
        
        No. More like what is your address and are all of the family here with you on holiday.
        
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        December 8, 2021 9:52am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    You still planning on doing your Northland trip BY? – you could sure be in for seeing some comedy 🙂
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:38am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes second half February. I’ll let my 180 cm red head girlfriend deal with them 🙂 She is from the West Coast. She is plain speaker 🙂
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:27am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Lol – old man was a Coaster 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:32am
  - cmm
    
    There will quite likely be far fewer people wanting to go north and risk both delays and harassment. Passport or not, nobody likes to get the evil eye.
    
    What is normally a boom time for the traders could end up being a bit of a dud.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:44am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I had another conversation with clients yesterday in the Hospo business up north.
      Bookings are being cancelled left right and centre.
      Many are disgruntled as other areas in the country are picking up the bookings.
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:00am
- Jade Warrior
  
  What about the potential for bribery and corruption at these checkpoints? What if someone shows up at a checkpoint with no vaccine pass, but people are nonetheless able to get through if they provide a sufficient sum in koha for the iwi representatives and their whanau?
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:59am
  - westernScientest
    
    I suspect that will be required even with a pass…
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:10am
  - bronny1
    
    [deleted by Mod, racial typecasting – Mod]
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:25pm
- Jim
  
  Noting its intended to run these checkpoints 24/7! Those Iwi officials will soon realise on the first busy shift, or at dead o’clock 0300 shift that this is a reaaalllly dumb idea and will want out.
  
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  December 8, 2021 7:46pm
Benedict Yu

David Seymour: Does the Prime Minister stand by her finance Minister’s statement from the 2021 Budget speech he gave, that “Wage growth … will outpace inflation, meaning more money in Kiwis’ back pockets.”, in light of ANZ’s comment last week that real wages are now falling; and, if so, when will wages start to outpace cost increases as the Minister of Finance promised just six months ago?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Of course, it has, with wage growth being at around 3.5 percent and inflation around 2 percent…..

https://www.parliament.nz/mi/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20211207_20211207_16

What the hell?

The most recent annual inflation number is 4.9 percent.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/inflation-highest-in-over-a-decade

How can she get such important things so wrong? ???
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December 8, 2021 8:15am
- alex Masterley
  
  Benedict. She is stupid. Enough said.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    BY – such things come naturally to her.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:40am
  - Colville
    
    Far from stupid.
    She knows she can get away with the lie so why not lie?
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:38am
  - Jim
    
    All PR spin and teeth playing dollies in makebelieveworld, especially looking at the traffic light BS that will prove to complex. Ardern has clearly got no practical business acumen. Go Luxon!
    
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    December 8, 2021 7:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How can she get such important things so wrong?
  
  I refude the pwemise of thad qweschun!
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sounding more like Tweety every day while retaining the Mr Ed facade . . .
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:57am
- [email protected]
  
  She knows that inflation was high but ignores the facts and lied.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Ardern a liar – never from such an illustrious person.
    She is always right, (like my wife).
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:19am
    - Bob
      
      like my wife)…..
      such a comment could be dangerous for your health Paulus
      
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      December 8, 2021 11:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  misleading the house?
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:30am
  - tf78
    
    UC – misleading the country in more ways than one.
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:48am
- cmm
  
  “Wage growth … will outpace inflation, meaning more money in Kiwis’ back pockets.”
  
  Well that’s a bloody lie!
  
  Due to the tax burden you need a to earn an extra $1.64 to put $1 in your back pocket.
  
  If inflation is, say, 3% then a you need to be earn at least 5% more just to keep the same.
  
  For 4.9% inflation you need over 8% just to stay the same.
  
  For the ridiculous 2% number, you need to earn an extra 3.3% just to make up the difference. A 3.5% wage increase only puts 0.2% in your back pocket. At $70k per year that would be an extra $2.70 a week in your back pocket.
  
  Yeah right Robbo – an extra $2.70 a week is something to crow about!
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:33am
- Swifty
  
  And they wonder why people don’t trust them.
  
  Go ask any person running a NZ household and they would laugh at any suggestion that currently inflation is only 2%!
  
  She thinks we are idiots.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:48am
  - Jim
    
    What’s that Clark? You want more housekeeping?
    
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    December 8, 2021 7:52pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Under House rules can she be requested to return and correct her answer?
  
  Maybe Seymour should give her a spade to keep digging today.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    All members are required to correct a statement if it is incorrect.
    
    But it won’t happen. She would just waffle about inflation in some different time period.
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:28pm
- Local Miller
  
  She lies!
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:42am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ask the supermarket shoppers what their prices increases are like–2% 15%.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:49am
- david
  
  But misleading Parliament is a “hanging offence” so you must have mis-heard those numbers.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:48am
graham

Heard a couple of people make a good point on ZB this morning, re the roadblocks.

All the talk is around checking people heading up north, to protect the so-called “vulnerable communities” up there until they get the vaccination rates up. But what about checking the people heading SOUTH? As the Northland vaccination rates are so low, and Auckland’s vaccination rates are actually fairly high, will they be checking the people heading SOUTH, in order to protect us Aucklanders from the unvaccinated Northlanders?

I suspect not …
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December 8, 2021 8:16am
- RoboRob
  
  Good point although I do find it strange that the vaxed would care if non vaxed people come into contact with them. Sure un vaxed people spread the virus better but if your vaxed your not going to get realy sick right? This whole passport thing to protect the vaxed from the unvaxed is just crazy.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:08am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Everything this Government does is crazy.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:43am
    - RoboRob
      
      Not just the govt. Almost everyone I know is double vaxed (myself included) and they are really scared of being around the unvaxed. Particularly those with unvaxed children, even though we know COVID doesn’t tend to be harmfull to the young.
      
      Some friends just cancelled their christmas holiday as the camp ground wasn’t enforcing the vax passport.
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:30am
      - bronny1
        
        yup, just shows you the level of MISINFORMATION and FEAR being spread by the government.
        If they were properly informed and don’t have major underlying conditions, they could happily holiday anywhere without fear.
        
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        December 8, 2021 12:27pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        Really sad day……. came out of a building and a woman with dog came towards me. saw no mask, did an about turn and circled around me as if I had the plague. She had a mask on……… saw other people with masks on in cars!!!!!!!
        
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        December 8, 2021 4:00pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  That would probably be racist!
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:52am
- tf78
  
  graham, with all the coppers up north, the naughty ones will be down south robbing the houses of the holiday makers who have just handed over their info.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:51am
- Thumelicus
  
  The vaccinated Aucklanders needs protection from the unvaccinated?? Oh, wait I get it, if i don’t the panadol you will get a headache. This is some really odd medication we have here.
  
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  December 8, 2021 2:12pm
  - Jim
    
    Sadly it’s the ridiculous government dictates that will give you a headache and heartache
    
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    December 8, 2021 7:55pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/new-child-poverty-research-finds-government-s-failed-to-fully-implement-any-key-welfare-expert-advisory-group-recommendations.html

Oops. Looks like someone checked back in on something to see if there had been any progress… and this was an investigation commissioned by the current government!

I’m sure this will be refuded by the fuhrer with no evidence as to why. It’s only child poverty, not overly important I guess.

And what was up with her at question time yesterday? Everytime Luxon asked a question she said she rejected it. You cant reject a question, unless she is some sort of all powerful deity perhaps?

Regardless, the tide seems to be turning with the media, after question time they said there was a little bit of bite back in the blue team. I assume this means they ran rings around them!

What hasn’t been mentioned is Reti vs Little. Reti of course calm and knowledgeable, Little umming and ahing and basically talking nonsense.
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December 8, 2021 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  But Little is Union trained and taught so must be better than Reti.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The PM has no right to reject a question of proper political content relating to her governance or lack thereof.
  She stumbles over pride like Abbot & Costello, real clown like.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:53am
- bravefart
  
  Actually Opie I’m very glad this government has not delivered on this advice from the pressure group.
  
  Sometimes their incompetence is a blessing…
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:28am
- Bob
  
  ran rings around them!……
  National certainly did, run rings. Ardern was angry and flustered within minutes of the first question, Robertson reverted to some school boy retorts to Bridges and the scripted answers from others Lab MP’s to their patsy questions, were a struggle for their readers.
  Wednesday should be interesting!
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:50am
emmess

WTF happened to trying to reduce the prison population?

A man who allegedly locked himself in a pub toilet because he had no Covid-19 vaccine pass will be behind bars for at least a week.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-man-in-custody-for-a-week-after-pub-affray-over-vaccine-pass/2FYZHNCFQAP2ZBTLMRUZPZI7ME/
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December 8, 2021 8:19am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  not a ‘club’ member, so an ideal candidate for incarceration, to help kow any sheep looking a bit too uppity.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:29am
- Frank the tank
  
  Sounds like a ‘top’ bloke irrespective of the vaccine pass issue. Prison sounds like the best place for him.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:04am
  - emmess
    
    Good point, didnt notice that
    I bet the elites would have been all in favour of keeping him out of prison until they found out that he didn’t have a vaccine pass
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:13am
- Ruawai
  
  My son works in a small cafe and yesterday they had 2 vaccine incidents, one where a non vaccinated customer reached across the counter and grabbed the female employee asking for proof of vaccination and another where a vaccinated women yelled at my son for not scanning her pass only sighting it, she told him he would be the cause of covid spreading because he is not scanning. Have printed out info from govt website he can show her if she returns saying the pass only has to be sighted, scanning is optional.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:05am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Ordinary people should not be placed into the position of enforcing Government whims. I think in a week or two the whole vaccine pass will go the way of contact tracing, the only ones participating will be hypochondriacs and hard-core Cindy fans intent on demonstrating their commitment to the Party.
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:16am
    - John Pakes
      
      It isn’t a whim.
      The vaccine pass will not go away, it could well be with us for a long, long time.
      The thing that should go away is those people who oppose the passport and are determined to create mayhem as much as they can to suit their own needs. They are deliberately going about causing trouble. There are two such people who I know who are doing just that.
      My
      
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      December 8, 2021 4:14pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I don’t agree with Rich Prick that the vaccine pass will go away in 2 weeks.
        
        We don’t know what will happen. I see two factors at play.
        
        Firstly, the widespread use of fake passes by the unvaccinated will throw the system into disrepute. i.e nearly everyone will have a “vaccine pass”.
        
        Secondly, Omicron may spread rapidly and become endemic. Game over.
        
        Anyway, I doubt that the “vaccine pass” system we see today will remain unchanged a year from now. And two years from now it will most likely be gone.
        
        More fundamentally it is a stupid system. If Omicron gets going the vaccinated will be infecting the vaccinated 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2021 4:43pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Well, I’m currently sat in a pretty full restaurant (over 50 at my guess) where inbound customers just wave a phone to pretty nonchalant front of house staff. Not one has actually looked at a phone, never mind scanning. Cindy’s laws are not being enforced by the unwilling. Benedict, two weeks might be lean, let’s say six.
        
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        December 8, 2021 7:35pm
  - Fletch
    
    I see there was an incident at a Subway where an employee was screamed at and called a Nazi. This is going to happen more and more. These mandates have to be stopped.
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:40pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Correct! It’s not fair to have an employee put in a position via any Govt edict where they are under pressure and/or threats of violence for something neither they nor their employer had any say whatsoever in the required outcome.
      All this Covid regulation stuff has gotten completely out of hand and someone in a position of authority needs to stand back, have an analytical look at all of it and reject or retain what’s good and what’s bad.
      IMO, it would require someone completely removed from political influence (this would exclude many Judges).
      
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      December 8, 2021 3:04pm
      - emmess
        
        Question them but be nice
        There is no legal requirement for vaccine passes at fast food joints
        
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        December 8, 2021 6:37pm
    - John Pakes
      
      No, the anti brigade just need to grow up
      
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      December 8, 2021 4:09pm
      - Ruawai
        
        It is both the anti vax and the virtue signaling vaccinated labour supporters.
        
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        December 8, 2021 6:21pm
Taieri

At long last, the Opus Magnum from the Minister for Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence:

“(…)Te Aorerekura is the people’s strategy. Specialists working with families have called for a national strategy for many years and have patiently walked alongside us to get to this point.

Tangata whenua have brought mātauranga Māori and their leadership to this mahi and have pushed for a strategy that is Tiriti-based.

Through Te Aorerekura we acknowledge that we need to address the intergenerational impacts of colonisation and racism in order for us to eliminate violence.

Te Aorerekura references how the combination of colonisation, racism and sexism in Aotearoa New Zealand increases impacts associated with intergenerational trauma for wāhine Māori

Consistently over the years tangata whenua have been clear that family violence and sexual violence are not traditional. Strengthen wāhine-led, whānau-centred actions are the solution.

Futhermore Te Tiriti o Waitangi, mātauranga Māori and whānau-centred approaches are central to Te Aorerekura.(…)”

Undoubtedly, the family and sexual violence shall now be consigned to the dustbin of history…
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December 8, 2021 8:20am
- alphabeatrium
  
  The DomPost yesterday had an article that waxed lyrical about how family/sexual violence was embedded in structural racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, etc. It went on to present statistics that Māori women (sorry, wahine Māori) and homosexual people are more likely to be victimised. The thought that instantly occurred to me (that Maori women likely have Maori partners, that homosexual people probably have same-sex partners, and that therefore it is Maori and homosexual people who must logically be -doing- the disproportionate violence, which surely invalidates their racist/homophobic thesis) went unnoted.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:11am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    They carefully avoided the relevant statistics. Woke idiots.
    
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    December 8, 2021 11:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And if its got a 25 year span to run, I don’t expect I’ll be around to see if anything improves in the lives of battered and abused NZers.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:19am
- Cassandra
  
  Bulls..t. That otherwise sensible (NB benefit of the doubt) people could write this nonsense and other believe it defies belief. Wahine-led? When has this ever happened in the last 900 years? With the notable exceptions, Maori have always been led by men. That may well be their problem. As for the rest of it, gobbledygook.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:21am
- Paulus
  
  Cannot understand as cannot speak foreign language.
  Filed.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Warrior males do not tolerate women who do not do as they are told.
  Violence is endemic in some parts of NZ society.
  (Not a lifestyle which I personally support but am well aware of.)
  
  Treaty nonsense will not affect any of this and may just be a smokescreen for the secretive land and water take back attempt under way.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What does the Treaty have to do with stopping thug men beating up their partners?
  
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  December 8, 2021 5:14pm
David Garrett

Benedict: The answer is very simple – she is a barefaced liar. But then you know that already.
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December 8, 2021 8:21am
- Cinematic
  
  I don’t think she always lies. Often she’s simply no grasp of the facts. NZ’s laziest and lowest IQ PM of modern times.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:41am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Tall Man got threatened with bans for stating early on in her tenure what is now bleedingly obvious.
  
  Ardern is a liar.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:44am
Rusty

This story might not interest many on this blog but a well known American televangelist called Marcus Lamb who was anti-vaccine and preached on the dangers of taking it on his daystar network died last week of covid -19.

He was entitled to his views and he did offer alternative medicines to the vaccine but their seems to be an irony somewhere to this story.
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December 8, 2021 8:24am
- Cinematic
  
  Rusty, everyone dies eventually.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:14am
- westernScientest
  
  Ecclesiastes 7.15
  
  In my vain life I have seen everything. There is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his evildoing.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:27am
- MCōs
  
  Reminds me of a story I saw a few years ago that I’m sure everyone is familiar with.
  A photo journalist visited a guy who believed Jesus protected him from rattler bites.
  While she was there one bit him & he died right there on the living room couch.
  Incredibly the same thing had happened to his daddy.
  
  Here’s another one. Looking at the picture he might have had some comorbilities going there.
  https://abcnews.go.com/US/snake-handling-pentecostal-pastor-dies-snake-bite/story?id=22551754
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:39am
- rangitoto
  
  Mossad strike again?
  
  https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43400/irans-newest-warship-has-fallen-on-its-side-in-a-dry-dock
  
  Please delete. Posted in wrong thread.
  
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  December 8, 2021 2:05pm
Biscuit

Be kind when children who are old enough to know better tell you they still believe in Santa.

There’s anecdotal evidence out there that several adults WAY old enough to know better still believe in Jacinda’s lectures from the Podium Of Truth…
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December 8, 2021 8:24am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Who’da thunk it? Accidental injection of mRNA covid vaccine into veins causes acute myopericarditis in mice:
Can Li et al (2021) Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model, Clinical Infectious Diseases, ciab707, https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciab707

The fix is apparently easy, better injection technique (withdraw plunger and look for blood in syringe). If that can be done consistently then the vaccines may get a whole lot safer.
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December 8, 2021 8:27am
- westernScientest
  
  It has been strongly suspected for a while. I asked the nurse to aspirate when she did mine and she was happy to, a lot of others on here have had similar experiences.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:30am
  - jonno1
    
    Same for me, except the nurse had to seek permission from her supervisor as she had been instructed NOT to aspirate. She couldn’t/wouldn’t explain why.
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:01pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Although a comforting thought, I suspect that this is by no means a full explanation. It cannot explain why young males suffer these issues significantly more than females, and why the young in general suffer more from it than the elderly. If it was a “mechanical” injection issue one would expect to see the problem relatively equally in all groups.
  
  So there is more to it I suspect; there is some mechanism whereby the mRNA or indeed just the S protein escapes into the vascular system and causes the issues. Because the non-mRNA vaccines also have similar problems (for example the AZ vaccine which uses a modified Adenovirus to express the S protein), and having an infection can also cause vascular and clotting issues.
  
  But avoiding a portion and possibly the fastest acting and maybe most critical adverse reaction cannot be bad, and proper needle use instruction should indeed be mandated.
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:30am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I saw a suggestion that it might be to do with levels of body fat as well (women having an innate surplus due to a ‘couple’ of factors even when very slim/fit)
    
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    December 8, 2021 4:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Let’s hope it is a late start to winter chills and ills in 2022, because some folks will be in deep doodoo if there’s an early outbreak of flu.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2112/S00050/no-extra-icu-beds-until-june-2022.htm
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December 8, 2021 8:32am
- cmm
  
  Alternatively, let’s hope this Omicron does what it looks like it is going to do and rips through the world quickly and inconsequentially and the whole fiasco is over before winter.
  
  85% of new infections in South Africa are already the mild-mannered Omicron. USA is already 14% and Canada 10%.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Virus doing what virus does, no matter what queen Canute tries to do.
    She has to keep the covid circus going. Once she loses that she is history. It can’t come soon enough.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:57am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    Don’t worry, the Pi variant will then shoot through and Jacina will be on the case!
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:13am
    - Opie
      
      I think you will find that if that named variant arrives here it will be Megan Woods on the case, not Jacinda.
      
      Grant Robertson also fairly well experienced by the looks…
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:38am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Cinder’s will be working overtime trying to keep Omicron out – can’t have a mild-mannered variant that would destroy her only platform sweep thru the country and supplant the “tricky Delta”!
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:25am
    - cmm
      
      Good luck to her!
      
      It appears that Omicron is at least twice as infections as Delta. It will rapidly spread between MIQ inmates and from them to staff and then into the community.
      
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      December 8, 2021 10:39am
      - JackRabbit
        
        MIQ. Managed Incubation Quarters.
        
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        December 8, 2021 11:54am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, I know many of our population close their ears and eyes to the forthcoming interest rate crunch and the disastrous effects on home mortgages; the winter flu will be minor stuff. Our national debt has become horrendously large while Grant still throws money around like there is no tomorrow. Beware folks.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    We all knew Labour were going to throw the money around from day one. It is all they know how to do.
    
    Getting results is something else entirely.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:16pm
- Ruawai
  
  Father in law in hospital 2 weeks now waiting for triple heart by pass, delayed again yesterday after getting ready for the operation as not enough ICU beds due to covid patients in Hamilton Hospital. This on the same day that PM in parliament said no need for extra ICU beds as covid not filling ICU due to her excellent management. No mention of the effects on other operations for non covid conditions.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:09am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Only covid matters. The death toll accumulating from worse treatment for all the other diseases that kill >10x as many kiwis as covid could per year, as well as additional deaths and vast economic damage created by covid response are to be entirely disregarded due to political monomania and low IQ superficial understanding of need for balancing response by govt. Trashing the economy kills people over the long term (as any economist can show you)
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:26am
  - Inandout
    
    Ruawai, your case would be classed as urgent for sure but my neighbour is onto his 5th re-schedule for his hip operation. Because it involves the osteo dept of the hospital most of the nurses have been transferred to ‘more urgent’ wards. The poor bugger is obviously in great pain but he is not in a position to go private.
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:33am
  - Ruawai
    
    Just been bumped off the list for another week. Waiting in hospital already over 2 weeks, now at least another week for his triple heart bypass.
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:43pm
- Warren
  
  Maggy W : When will someone from the Health Ministry push back and say if the Money they fleeced or stole out of the COVID-19 fund had not been used for Cameras on Fishing trawlers, School Lunches, Kianga Ora Acceleration fund and plenty of other Labour Party wish list those icu beds would have been purchased and set up with the necessary in place for what is to follow in this pandemic.
  The problem that we have is nobody is pushing the message for people to understand how corrupt this Government is, their policy is fear and deceit for the stupid people to believe Labour and Jacinda Ardern are their savior.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:46am
Random T Person

I’m no fan of Cameron Slater but he is absolutely nailing it with the situation we are in today with a power-mad government forcing segregation and division upon the nation. https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/12/08/these-boots-were-made-for-stomping/
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December 8, 2021 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As with everything, content is everything. Like the author or not – it doesn’t change the content which is bang on.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:28am
Nickc2

Come the next election, don’t forget who legally empowered a self-appointed bunch of Maoris to stop people and demand they show their papers.
Also, don’t forget who made it compulsory NZers carry identification and supporting papers and make them available to Maori Malitia.
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December 8, 2021 8:43am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  .. and those who claim objections to racist laws are racist.
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Sounds like a Kelvin rejection to me?
    
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    December 8, 2021 2:15pm
Ra Henare

David & Benedict:

Your Prime Minister is a great example of Hanlons Razor in my humble opinion.

“never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
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December 8, 2021 8:47am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Cinders is not stupid, foolish with pride.
  The traps are set.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    She baited the traps herself with blatant lies!
    As they say in the classics, every dog is entitled to its day in the sun and thankfully, the sun’s gone down on Cindy’s day in the sun.
    
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    December 8, 2021 2:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Or laziness and incompetence in labours case
  
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  December 8, 2021 3:09pm
Yvette

■ New child poverty research finds Government’s failed to fully implement any key Welfare Expert Advisory Group recommendations
A progress review has found the Government has failed to fully implement any of the 42 key recommendations from the Welfare Expert Advisory Group (WEAG) in three years.
… However in the second annual review, the Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG) has found progress to be “slow, patchy and piecemeal” with 22 key recommendations minimally or partially implemented.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/new-child-poverty-research-finds-government-s-failed-to-fully-implement-any-key-welfare-expert-advisory-group-recommendations.html

■ Public servants paid over $400k almost double in year
The total cost of personnel in what’s deemed Core Crown departments has risen 35.8 percent in the last four years since the Labour Government took office.
There’s been a 21 per cent increase in the number of people earning over $100,000 compared to the year prior, rising from 15,055 to 18,301 public employees. Now 28.6 per cent of all public sector staff earn over $100,000.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/07/public-servants-paid-over-400k-almost-double-in-year/
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December 8, 2021 8:49am
- Nickc2
  
  First Point: This Govt has proven itself incapable of achieving anything it set out to accomplish. Child Poverty is but one such endeavour. In all honesty, did you expect anything different?
  
  Second Point: Very scary figures! Given the additional numbers and rampant costs to our Public Service, have you noticed any improvement in their services? I certainly haven’t and if I was in the next Govt, I would have every public servant with the exception of Military and Police (but excluding the current Police Commissioner), re-apply for their jobs where employment numbers were not to exceed 2017 levels. Those re-hired would have their wages/salaries reduced to 2017 levels (if in employment then) and adjusted upwards in line with current pension increases unless their Job Description had markedly changed.
  
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  December 8, 2021 1:51pm
Tony Stuart

Interesting column from Magic Talk’s new Drive host Lloyd Burr, which includes a fairly significant mea culpa:

OPINION: It’s been a remarkable week-long honeymoon for new National Party leader Christopher Luxon.

Who would have guessed that he would’ve turned the party’s fortunes around in such a short space of time.

It’s been just a week that he’s been sitting in the driver’s seat.

And yet in that week, he’s proved a lot of people wrong. Including me.

Wrong that he was too politically inexperienced.

Wrong that he wouldn’t be able to handle it.

Wrong that his rise to power has come too early.

The way he’s handled himself, and the criticism, and the barrage of questions about his faith, and his fortune, and his morals has surprised me.

He’s handled it like someone who’s been preparing for this job for more than a few days, or a few months.

He’s fronted, he’s answered questions, he’s been attacked for his homes and his belief that abortion is murder.

And he’s faced that criticism really well.

https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/12/lloyd-burr–christopher-luxon-has-proved-a-lot-of-people-wrong-t.html

When he was in the Press Gallery, working under Paddy Gower, Burr always came across as the stereotypical “gotcha” journalist. However time away from New Zealand, including an extended period in the UK during the worst of Covid seems to have given him a more rounded view of the world.

His points about being wrong due to Luxon’s perceived lack of political experience are interesting, and we’re seeing something similar to what happened when John Key rose to the top of the National Party. Because neither he nor Luxon were embedded in the minutiae of the political process, they were each able to take a wider view of things, which is quite refreshing.

Burr closes his piece thus:

This is a job he’s wanted for a long time, and like the Boeing 777s he used to run, he’s in this game for the long haul.

He wants to take Kiwis on a journey. A journey where they’ll get to know him. And I think they’ll like him.

He’s spot on. We held our National Party branch Christmas drinks last night. Not only was there an excellent turnout, but we had people there who haven’t been involved with National for several years. Now they’re wanting to get on board with Luxon and National. We’re finishing 2021 in very good shape!
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December 8, 2021 8:57am
- oldfella
  
  Tony, after Luxon’s great showing as new leader, Mrs Oldfella suddenly announced she now had renewed hope for the future of our country and was going to join the National Party.
  We both did that afternoon, first time either of us have belonged to any political party.
  The times they are a changin’. And for the better.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:53am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Well done Mrs and Mrs Oldfella, and welcome to the light!
    
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    December 8, 2021 3:31pm
    - oldfella
      
      Tony, we do have a ‘gay old time’, but only one of is Mrs. 🙂
      
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      December 8, 2021 5:02pm
Yvette

Government hits massive milestone in Violence Prevention and Elimination
Minister for Family and Sexual Violence Marama Davidson announced a major milestone at a hui in South Auckland today, with the launch of the national engagement process on the prevention and elimination of family and sexual violence.
“There is no room for violence in our lives – there is no place for family violence or sexual violence in our whānau at all – I have always and will always take a whanau-led approach which is why we are all gathered here ahead of discussions across the motu,” Marama Davidson said at Ngā Whare Marae.

Whoops, no – merde. That was an announcement back on May 2021.
Here is yesterday’s announcement –
Government launches strategy to eliminate family and sexual violence in Aotearoa

Te Aorerekura references how the combination of colonisation, racism and sexism in Aotearoa New Zealand increases impacts associated with intergenerational trauma for wāhine Māori – Davidson, yesterday, Launch of Te Aorerekura – the national strategy for the elimination of family violence and sexual violence

As this relates to, in many cases, “domestic” violence – what happens in private homes – how is “colonisation” and “racism” responsible factors in a home context involving usually people, families, of the same ethnicity?

Unless the “colonisation” is the second “cultural colonisation” currently occurring –
A guiding star sets a new path for the elimination of family violence and sexual violence.
*The name for the Strategy –“Te Aorerekura”- – was developed by the Tāngata Whenua Rōpū. According to Māori lore, Aorere comes from a cluster of stars that navigates humankind to gain knowledge and comprehension. Aorere is responsible for ensuring the safe journey of her whānau as they travel across the celestial skies. Aorere is intrinsically connected to whatumanawa (supreme subconscious), pūmanawa (intuition) and manawa (heart). Aorere transmits healing energy through the whatumanawa to restore balance and harmony to all aspects of a person’s toiora. Te Aorerekura weaves wairua into the fabric and foundations of the Strategy.
To be successful, the implementation of the Strategy and actions must align with the tikanga of Te Aorerekura:
• Affirm that people impacted by family violence and/or sexual violence are not alone. People are connected to and sustained by the aroha of their ancestors, whānau, and communities.
• Provide a beacon of hope to the people and communities who want and need it most. It is an enduring call to protect the inner spirit and to nurture and grow the potential inside every person.
• Provide the guiding light, energy and knowledge every person impacted by violence will need on their personal journey –

Meanwhile – Police respond to a family harm incident every four minutes, and in the year to June 2021 there were an estimated 168,000 sexual assault offences on adults.
An average 30 people are killed by family members annually [so how many are just seriously injured?]. Women and children bear the brunt, with Māori and Pasifika and the disabled disproportionately impacted.
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December 8, 2021 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think a defenceless baby, toddler, youngster needs more than a guiding light/beacon of hope/awareness that they are not alone if they are in a whanau where violence takes place.
  
  They need to be in a place free of violence and need to be kept apart from those who inflict violence.
  
  It is NOT rocket science or celestial navigation….It is basic survival knowledge.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yeah they talk a lot of bollocks and achieve nothing other than feathering the beds of their grievance industry mates. No significant decrease in number of charges for sex offences and family violence in the four years Labour have been in (while National before them managed to bring it down 40%). https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/research-data/family-violence-and-sexual-violence-research/
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:39am
- bravefart
  
  And Luxon and National “fundamentally supports” this.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-luxon-backs-violence-prevention-strategy-net-migration-50k/5BTM3YAGZPS7FTZZLFQK4VNJ74/?c_id=1&objectid=12491688
  
  If you thought National would push back against the colonialism and racism narritives, you’d be dead wrong.
  
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  December 8, 2021 1:01pm
dime

How far north do you go before you hit one of these roadblocks?

imagine having so little self worth, you decide to spend your summer standing on a highway in the sun. all for a petty power trip. sad.
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December 8, 2021 9:01am
- Cassandra
  
  Perhaps there’s some koha involved?
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:23am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    It’s well worth it from the iwi’s point of view even if there isn’t.
    They’ve just laid a claim to authority over a whole area of NZ just because they represent a plurality of the population there. A border is the first prerequisite of a state, after all.
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:49am
  - Colville
    
    You can bet the house they are not doing it for free!
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:58pm
- Julie
  
  It’s safe to go to Mangawhai and Waipu, roadblock after both.
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:40am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “…..spend your summer standing on a highway…”
  – all year round dime – they got nothing else to do – like convincing their mates to get jabbed for example!
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:58am
  - dime
    
    how about we IQ test them. lets see whats going on lol
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:25am
  - bronny1
    
    I wonder how much they are paying them? And how that gets around them losing their benefits. probably an “honorarium”.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:07pm
- kevn
  
  @dime… The only upside is that the police might snare a few ‘wanted to arrest’ types.
  Big maybe if other bros are doing the vax caper checking of course.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:09am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  You’ll be paying for it somehow. welfare, grievance industry payments, ‘Koha’ ….
  
  Common in corrupt 3rd world countries for govt empowered groups (army, police etc) to create tolling operations to enrich themselves. Labour just looking to emulate the countries they aspire to turn NZ into.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:16am
  - dime
    
    im sure we are paying.
    
    but would you do that for $1000 a week? $2000?
    
    Id need $10,000 in the hand. and even though. what a useless, soul destroying exercise
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:21pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yeah but you’ve got skills that stretch beyond sitting on the couch and operating a bong.
      
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      December 8, 2021 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

UK TRENDING

Is the tide turning?

Like most people we know, it’s hard not to agree with British MP Scott Benton’s call to bring back the ‘Death Penalty’ for cases such as these….

https://twitter.com/ScottBentonMP/status/1467836440130179082

We were discussing this very matter with friends over dinner last night. My partner was able to reel off at least 20 names of individuals, currently serving ‘life’ sentences, that he would gladly kick the stool out from under.

Just saying.
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December 8, 2021 9:02am
- Frank the tank
  
  I have a feeling when Davey boy realizes all the redneck upper middle bogans like me have come across to Act he’ll have to address issues such like this.
  
  For the record Mags i’d be happy to kick out the stool.
  
  As the Hosk. says happy days
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Good. on . you. Frankie.
    A kindred spirit.
    (Do you reside in Remmers by any chance?)
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:55am
    - Frank the tank
      
      No born and raised Shore Boy now a carpet bagger on the Coast (Hibiscus). A little uncouth for the Kings/Grammar/St Kents crowd Mags that my cousins swing around in.
      
      When I go to one of their weddings I feel like a Viking at an English Monastery……….
      
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      December 8, 2021 2:05pm
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/christopher-luxon-calls-for-auckland-border-to-be-lifted-tonight-after-previously-unreleased-public-health-advice-emerges.html

Good – you are getting it.

I suspect Luxon is a quick learner as opposed to some of his predecessors.
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December 8, 2021 9:11am
- MCōs
  
  In other news the Mayor of Queenstown, Mr Jim Boult, and the Southern DHB are scrambling to get organised in case the influx of Aucklanders next week results in covid infections down in his neck of the woods.
  Of course the 850 infected people in self isolation might be good citizens and not go to Queenstown . . .
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:09am
  - Frank the tank
    
    How are Gav Hendy’s scareporn predictions going Cozy. By my back-of-the-envelope maths we should have about 2000 odd deaths by now……
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:27pm
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/12/joe-biden-tells-vladimir-putin-united-states-would-respond-if-russia-invades-ukraine.html

Putin vs Brandon. Be like a cat playing with a half dead pigeon.
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December 8, 2021 9:13am
Yvette

Just five random issues (in no special order of potential disaster) that may be of concern in considering Little’s establishment of a Maori Health Authority –

1 – Māori data release
Whānau Ora chief executive John Tamihere says “faceless unelected bureaucrats” have been proven wrong again following its latest High Court victory of Māori vaccination data.
… The judgement also noted that some iwi didn’t want the information released. Whanganui iwi didn’t regard it necessary for data to be released in their area and shared with the applicants. The iwi said they had already made it available to local providers. [1]

2 – Northland iwi says roadblocks show importance of partnership between government, iwi.
Te Kahu o Taonui lead chair Harry Burkhardt said vaccination rates in Northland were still behind the rest of the country so working with police was a way to monitor unvaccinated manuhiri who were planning on entering. [2]
… and so far unresolved arguments contrary or pro, or with new medication becoming available, why get vaccinated at all, some wonder – and if people leaving Auckland need a pass or 72 hour negative test to do that, why draw 300 Police from the South Island to monitor Northland roadblocks – and are those road blocks going to restrain Northland unvaccinated from leaving their “gated” location as well as stopping unvaccinated entering their area?.

3 – Health outcomes. I cannot agree that outcomes must be equitable. That is an impossibility. Just as a field of athletes will not all cross the finishing line at the same time – because of variables such as age, fitness, genetic advantage, length of legs, motivation and work put into achieving the goal – nor, can citizens all achieve the same outcomes when it comes to health. The outcomes will vary according to age, diet, genetic history, fitness, substance abuse, socio-economic factors, luck and work put into achieving the goal. These plans to devote huge resources to achieving an impossible goal is money down the drain. – from a “serious” criticism.

4 – Maintaining the Treaty Train – An analysis of Maori health in the context of New Zealand’s colonial history may suggest possible explanations for inequalities in health between Maoris and non-Maoris, highlighting the role of access to health care. Two potential approaches to improving access to and quality of health care for Maoris are (1) development of a system of Maori health care provider services and (2) initiation of cultural safety education. – from a “serious” Health document

Te Aorerekura references how the combination of colonisation, racism and sexism in Aotearoa New Zealand increases impacts associated with intergenerational trauma for wāhine Māori – Davidson, yesterday, launch (announcement) of Te Aorerekura – the national strategy for the elimination of family violence and sexual violence

5 – Ihumātao – Ihumātao housing waiting on Kīngitanga appointments
The Government has made its two appointments on the Ihumātao working group but is waiting on Kīngitanga to select its representatives before any progress can be made. It’s been a year since the Crown bought the land

6 – Asians There were 707,598 people identifying as being part of the Asian ethnic group at the 2018 New Zealand census, making up 15.1% of New Zealand’s population – so actually nearing a similar percentage of population as are Maori at about 16.5 percent, but Maori also distinguished by “being here first” – as evidenced by the GREAT IMMIGRATION heritage of the ARRIVAL OF THE WAKA. But, what then of the health needs and voice of the Asians?

Sorry – that was six random issues …
“Say no more”, so to say

[1] https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/06/tamihere-concerned-over-maori-data-release-delay/
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/northland-iwi-says-roadblocks-show-importance-of-partnership-between-government-iwi.html
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December 8, 2021 9:21am
- MCōs
  
  There’s no such thing as an ‘Asian ethnic group’.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:13am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    No more or less than an ethnicity called Middle Eastern, European, or African.
    All of which are broad terms for a distinct ethnicity.
    
    There’s a place, called Asia.
    My wife is Asian.
    I particularly like south-East Asia as a destination.
    Enjoy Asian cuisine.
    People from Asia are physically distinct, compared to say, Europeans.
    You can reasonably tell when a person is of Asian ethnicity.
    etc.
    
    All these statements true and meaningful.
    Not sure what you are objecting to.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:14pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Is in my neighborhood chap . . .
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:15pm
  - bronny1
    
    that’s like saying there is no such thing as “polynesians”
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:36pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Asian is a nice way for wokesters to hide the sins of specific intersectionality enhanced ethnicities from Asia (which is in total about half the population of the planet)
    
    Rape gangs in UK were ‘Asian’, Many suicide bombers are ‘Asian’
    
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    December 8, 2021 3:15pm
lazza

The inexplicable senseless death of this innocent two year old, murdered by her parents … must not go unmourned … OK?

Prayers for her?
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December 8, 2021 9:23am
ClanMcleod

For anyone interested in the psychology of the covid event, how so many people seem to be hypnotised, so many eager to conform. This is an excellent watch regarding mass formation, how the herd operates.
Over an hour but a very good watch.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/04/watch-mass-formation-the-psychology-of-the-pandemic/
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December 8, 2021 9:32am
Yvette

ICU beds
Amongst the mini circus, created by the media it seems, over Luxon’s first “performance” as new national Leader in the ‘House’, the first Question was almost lost –
“Why did her Government spend more than $50 billion from its covid fund before announcing any funding for extra ICU beds?” Luxon asked Ardern in the House on Tuesday.

And Ardern’s response: “Well, I reject that question.” – a stock answer now being aped by several of her co-MPs.

But Ardern argued that additional ICU beds are only part of the solution. She pointed to the nearly 1400 extra nurses trained to be able to work in an ICU environment under supervision.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/national-leader-christopher-luxon-s-first-interrogation-of-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-sparks-brouhaha-in-parliament.html
“Trained” but need “supervision”?

But neither National (perhaps through lack of research) nor Labour (a clear omission could explain it) mentioned Newsroom’s reporting of Peter Dunne’s observation –

Woeful vaccination rates were one thing but when it became clear according to Ministry of Health figures that the numbers of ICU beds had been reduced from 358 beds in July last year to 284 today [August 26, 2021], there had been no increase in ICU staffing for 18 months, and the NZ Medical Association’s call a year ago for a co-ordinated national ICU strategy had been ignored, the Government’s indolence began to look scandalous.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-needs-a-new-story-on-covid

“Five ICU nurses are required per bed, so not only have we got 300 ICU or high dependency unit beds and the ability to surge to 500, we put aside funding in the Budget to ensure that we could train the staff required for the additional beds that we have.” – Ardern, Newshub, above link

So ICU beds were reduced 358 to 284, so down 74 and, presumably, releasing 370 ICU nurses (5 per bed), but now “not only have we got 300 ICU or high dependency unit beds” so up 16 from the low of 284 about three months ago, with “the ability to surge to 500” – whatever that means …

Is that why Jacinda replied “Well, I reject that question“?
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December 8, 2021 9:37am
ClanMcleod

The inventor of the Russian Sputnik vaccine Alexander Gintsburg destroying his own product.

Clearly stating that fully vaccinated spread the virus as much as those who are not.

“The mask primarily protects against those people who are not vaccinated, who do not have protective antibodies. And the wearing of masks by the vaccinated makes it possible to prevent the transmission of the pathogen from the person who is vaccinated and who does not know that he is a carrier to those people who are not vaccinated,” he said.”

https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/07/did-the-sputnik-v-inventor-just-murder-his-own-vaccine/
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December 8, 2021 9:41am
Albert_Ross

The quote does not say what you say it does. Yes, he says that vaccinated people can unknowingly catch, carry and transmit the virus. That’s not some startling new revelation, it’s well known and has been pretty much from the start. He does not say that they spread the virus as much as those who are not vaccinated. You will need to look further for evidence of that.
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December 8, 2021 10:03am
ClanMcleod

Time to do the lawns. This is outstanding evidence based analysis showing that vaccine status has zero bearing on transmission. It means vaccine passports and certificates are a completely meaningless health policy. It clearly proves they are a political tool. The concern is what is the eventual outcome of this draconian and idiotic policy?
This is not about health. You cannot and will not comply your way back to normality. This only ends when enough say NO.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-vaccines-dont-reduce-transmission?
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December 8, 2021 10:04am
- MCōs
  
  ‘This is a paid subscription’
  
  Reminds me of a bloke I read about who went from a run of the mill engineer to a multimillionaire producing authentic looking technical graphs, diagrams, equations and a YouTube presentation followed by a speaking tour proving conclusively that the WTC was destroyed by the FBI or whatever.
  Of course us fools think the Saudis dunnit.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Sorry, I’m a subscriber, I didn’t realise that particular article was in the “subscriber” section.
    
    Re the feeble smear on the author, when you do that you reveal the weakness of your position. I won’t cut and paste the whole article here, but this is one paragraph.
    
    “The more you control for different rates of testing, the harder it gets to find vaccine effectiveness against transmission, and the more you start stumbling over evidence of negative efficacy. This is why we find evidence of negative efficacy in the UK data but not (for example) in the German data. In the UK, unlike in Germany, the unvaccinated are not subject to constant testing rules. In Israel, all national airport arrivals are tested regardless of vaccination status. These numbers, widely discussed a few weeks ago, show far lower third-dose efficacy than claimed, and also indicate negative efficacy among the double vaccinated for the month of August. Because unvaccinated arrivals to Israel are quarantined and subject to additional testing, however, even these numbers are imperfect.”
    
    Try reading any of the author’s plentiful free articles and have a crack at debunking them. Give it a go, the ad hominem so enjoyed by the covid narrative supporters is very old and very boring. Try challenging the data.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:24pm
- cmm
  
  I wonder how much of this is due to the vaccine itself and how much is down to behavioural differences.
  
  When people get vaccinated they will change their behaviour because they now feel “safe” and that will undo some of the effectiveness of the vaccine (assuming it is effective).
  
  For example, I would expect that the unvaccinated are:
  * Less likely to be party people and less likely to mix with others.
  * More likely to be cautious about their interactions with others.
  
  Regardless, when assessing a person as a risk for transmitting the virus one should look at the whole person – not just their vaccination status.
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:34am
  - bronny1
    
    “more likely to prefer animals to people”
    “more likely to prefer their own company than the company of numptys”
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s all about the WEF program for global control. That requires useful idiots (PM’s) and subservient populations. Global warming lock downs are next.
  
  Read their agenda. It’s all laid out and they have become an NGO to the UN! A world elite body who want to make their remnant of you microchipped slaves. (Their eugenicists will dispatch the rest of you.)
  
  Haven’t we seen that program before from the same national group as the present leader of the WEF?
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:21am
kevn

@Clan… Poll driven decision making.
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December 8, 2021 10:05am
I remember when

Horowhenua ‘severely unaffordable.’
Horowhenua has the highest percentage of income being spent on rent in the country, with some spending half their income on it.
In Foxton the percentage is 45% and in Shannon it is 51%.
Both towns have been ‘bolt holes’ for low income renters with high beneficiary numbers and low work opportunities.
Nationally rent has increased 17% in the last three years.
In Question Time Grant Robertson suggested that the minimum wage would need to rise.
So house prices rise, rents rise, the minimum wages rises, by association the living wage rises –

inflation and strikes by unions?
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December 8, 2021 10:07am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Irw – in Robbo’s tiny mind those are all increasing the “standard of well being”
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:41am
- Swifty
  
  “ In Question Time Grant Robertson suggested that the minimum wage would need to rise.….”
  
  Locking even more young, brown and unskilled out of the job market and ensuring their dependency continues.
  
  This government seems to have just everything arse about face.
  
  Reckless. They just don’t know what they’re doing.
  
  Clueless.
  
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  December 8, 2021 12:29pm
judith8409121

More people speaking out about how disgusting this covid game is – now an Australian police sergeant discusses how far into this we have gone- time to stop it now
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/devastating-statement-by-former-nsw-police-sergeant-stephen-kelly_Ksee119AukNQb7S.html
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December 8, 2021 10:14am
- bronny1
  
  that is excellent, watched it last night. We need a few hundred of him, here.
  
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  December 8, 2021 1:40pm
I remember when

For those keeping a list of the events they won’t have to attend –
The Woodville International Grand Prix for motocross is cancelled.
Kiwiburn is cancelled, it has been taking place for 18 years.
Kiwiburn has a 10-year permit to host 2500 people at its site in Hunterville.
Has there ever been a better time to be part of the ‘Cancel Culture’ – constant success.
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December 8, 2021 10:18am
I remember when

Three women, two from Taihape and one from Ohakune, have pleaded ‘Not Guilty’ to charges they travelled to Auckland, illegally.
While many people, from other parts of New Zealand, think it should be an offence……
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December 8, 2021 10:23am
ClanMcleod

I had to share this for some light entertainment. Is it a Labour thing worldwide to come out with idiotic comments and making total tools of themselves?

UK Labour MP Zahara Sultana. (no I didn’t make the name up).
In the studio talking to Julia Hartley-Brewer.

“I feel incredibly unsafe in the chamber when Tories don’t wear masks.”

Julia Hartley Brewer – “why are you not wearing one now?”

Also Zarah Sultana: “Wahey! Here’s me at a packed MOBO (music of black origin) awards, without a mask in sight”

https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1467916425503326211?

I love how these people keep shooting themselves in the foot. If we could only get them to aim higher.
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December 8, 2021 10:24am
- MCōs
  
  Thought you were going to mow the lawns?
  
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  December 8, 2021 10:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s a small lawn. Think bonsai.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:58pm
tavita

David the answer is not simple because she is usually very careful not to bareface lie. She is master of the technique of answering a different question or making statements that are intended to be misinterpreted. The exchange went as follows
David Seymour: Does the Prime Minister stand by her finance Minister’s statement from the 2021 Budget speech he gave, that “Wage growth … will outpace inflation, meaning more money in Kiwis’ back pockets.”, in light of ANZ’s comment last week that real wages are now falling; and, if so, when will wages start to outpace cost increases as the Minister of Finance promised just six months ago?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Of course, it has, with wage growth being at around 3.5 percent and inflation around 2 percent. And at the time that the member made that statement, that was Treasury’s future forecasting as well. What we see around the world, though, in the likes of the United States and others, is that we have seen inflation increase as we’ve seen pressures on supply chain and increase in demand from consumers as our economies have recovered. We are not alone in experiencing that.

See what she said. “Of course it has, …” What has? that doesn’t make sense but it sounds good.
“…with with wage growth being at around 3.5 percent and inflation around 2 percent. And at the time …” So the 2 percent she is talking about is the inflation rate ‘at the time’. So she is justifying the finance minister’s statement at that time, not answering the question. She then goes on to justify the increase in the inflation rate. It is clever stuff – faced with a clear case of her finance minister being dead wrong, she manages to give the impression that Seymour is wrong (most people reading this as saying that wage growth at 3.5 percent was indeed higher than inflation at 2 percent) but providing a story “what we see around the world …” so if anyone pulls her up on it, she can show that she knew that inflation is now more than 2 percent. But she did not lie.
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December 8, 2021 10:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  Ok, so she has practiced deceit by omission and obfuscation
  Which is just as bad as lying
  Either way she is dishonest
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:10am
  - Swifty
    
    Exactly.
    
    They do it because the know they can get away with it. Honestly, I just don’t know why NZers tolerate this from their elected representatives. We’re paying them to mislead us.
    
    And of course it is all compounded by our news media failing to absolutely thrash her/them for it.
    
    We deserve better.
    
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    December 8, 2021 12:24pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      >50% of voters (the brain-dead portion of the population, predominantly people with vaginas who have not yet gained the wisdom of age) voted for them, so no NZers (collectively) don’t deserve better.
      
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      December 8, 2021 3:21pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Actually, it looks like she actually said “Of course (I agree with what Robbo said), it has (wage growth has kept up with inflation), with wage growth being at around 3.5 percent and inflation around 2 percent (relating to current inflation not previous estimates). And at the time that the member made that statement, that was Treasury’s future forecasting as well (a claim that Treasury got their prediction of 2% inflation correct).”
  
  The Commas (hesitation in the speech) completely change what she said and makes it make far more sense (it’s just not true).
  
  She lied. It wasn’t sophistry.
  
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  December 8, 2021 12:06pm
- cmm
  
  A statement that is intended to deceive is a LIE, no matter how many little technicalities it is wrapped up in.
  
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  December 8, 2021 1:11pm
Sean OConnor

The great law of unintended consequences kick in:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/drinks/127196374/we-need-to-pay-7-for-a-flat-white-if-cafes-are-going-to-survive-says-coffee-boss

Cafes that strictly enforce the vaccine pass are going to have a mobile clientele that can move to find a low cost coffee.

Those that “accidentally” don’t scrutinise passports closely will have a loyal %age of the population that will pay a little more. In economic terms, they face a supply curve that’s moved well to the left, and in social terms, they’ll reciprocate respect. It will be enough to save a few.

I think cafes are an egregious waste of money except as a treat anyway, but I wish the owners that have decided not to kick members of the new underclass all the best.
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December 8, 2021 10:46am
- quarterpack
  
  That seems a desperate way to connect two separate issues by someone who regards cafes as a “egregious waste of money”
  
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  December 8, 2021 4:04pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Just because they’re separate in your mind doesn’t mean they are in mine, friend. Let me explain.
    
    Cafes are immensely interesting to observe as the cafe industry is an extraordinarily competitive industry and the laws of supply and demand function very strongly and transparently in it.
    
    I think there are going to be all sorts of unintended economic side effects from the vaccine passports, but probably none will be so readily observable by the average citizen as the ones in cafes.
    
    There, happy? Am I still allowed to think that paying $4 for a 3x6mm ginger slice is a ripoff? And that fresh perc coffee is actually nicer than all but the best espresso? And that I’d rather buy really nice meat and cheese and BBQ at home? Or does that disqualify me from taking an interest?
    
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    December 8, 2021 10:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Let us see how the PM backtracks over what she said in Question time yesterday:

Q 6:DAVID SEYMOUR to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by her statement in relation to wage growth rising faster than inflation, “Of course, it has, with wage growth being at around 3.5 percent and inflation around 2 percent”; if so, does she agree with Statistics New Zealand that inflation for the year to September 2021 was 4.9 percent and wage growth was only 2.4 percent?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-8-december-2021/
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December 8, 2021 11:59am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  After watching yesterday’s Oscar nomination performance effort there is little doubt the PM and her PR team are already well into today’s practise session – no on camera off the cuff stuff here.
  A good supplementary from Seymour might however get somewhat more interesting ……
  
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  December 8, 2021 1:08pm
- cmm
  
  Pity Seymour doesn’t also raise the point that a 2.4% wage increase is only worth 1.5% after tax.
  
  4.9% inflation and a 1.5% increase needs lots of glitter to look good.
  
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  December 8, 2021 1:10pm
  - Harriet
    
    “….Pity Seymour doesn’t also raise the point that a 2.4% wage increase is only worth 1.5% after tax….4.9% inflation and a 1.5% increase needs lots of glitter…. ”
    
    And a third of the economy is more or less government, with councils on top, along with all the government contracts.
    
    There is nothing but added inflation there with all the wage demands.
    
    You have to open soon and get productivity up or face union action, low job growth and debt galore. For 2 more years.
    
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    December 8, 2021 1:39pm
    - Swifty
      
      “And a third of the economy is more or less government, with councils on top, along with all the government contracts….”
      
      Sorry, Harriet, perhaps you have not caught up with recent events.
      
      Central government spending alone for the current fiscal year is forecast to be well in excess of 50% of NZ GDP.
      
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      December 8, 2021 3:52pm
  - tavita
    
    cmm i m not sure what you are calculating. A 2.4% increase in gross income will increase your net income by 1.5% of your gross income but that is an odd comparison. If your gross increases by 2.4%, the tax you pay increases by a bit more than 2.4% due to our progressive pay scale. For a person on $30,000 per year, their take home pay would increase by 2.3%.
    
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    December 8, 2021 3:49pm
- westernScientest
  
  I dont think she knows what is going on. https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=222716
  
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  December 8, 2021 3:54pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Unsurprising, she didn’t know what GDP was after 9 years in parliament. Unbelievably ignorant.
    
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    December 8, 2021 5:33pm
jon

Hope we sight that expected Curia poll soon!!
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December 8, 2021 12:10pm
Swifty

Maggie Pie wondered the other day what the MP for Tijuana is up to recently.

Well here he is, doing what he has done for the last four years, in between month-long Xmas trips home, seemingly spending all his time campaigning to extract even more money from the pockets of NZ families for the benefit of people who are not even NZ citizens – no doubt solely in order to burnish his social justice credentials and holy warrior status: at everyone else’s expense mind you.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300472836/renewed-hope-for-migrant-fighting-to-change-the-ableist-system

What about justice for hard-working NZ families?
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December 8, 2021 12:45pm
CAKE FACE1

Cindy is desperately trying to drag out the Rona for as long as she can.

The meedja should call her out on this, but alas, they are Labour lickspittles.

Cindy will only change policy if the polls change, such that she is behind.

When is the next big poll out?

Fingers crossed…
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December 8, 2021 12:50pm
MCōs

Ajaz Patel writes about his cricketing life in India & NZ.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/457246/ajaz-patel-the-boy-from-mumbai
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December 8, 2021 12:53pm
fernglas

A great NZ success. Trofinetide, a drug discovered by Auckland University’s Dame Margaret Brimble, and developed by the ASX listed company Neuren, has successfully completed phase 3 trials in the US as a treatment for Rett Syndrome, a rare genetic neurological and developmental disorder that affects the way the brain develops, causing a progressive loss of motor skills and speech. This disorder primarily affects girls. The drug looks as if it has the potential to be used across the autism spectrum and could become a huge money-spinner as well as a treatment for hitherto untreatable neurological disorders.
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December 8, 2021 12:54pm
- John Pakes
  
  I have a close relation who is a sufferer of Rhetts fernglass, can you provide any link to info?
  
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  December 8, 2021 4:06pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Quick – get some over to parliament house – Jacinda is getting tongue tied because her brain isn’t functioning due to anxiety.
    
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    December 8, 2021 7:39pm
Maggie Pie

FOX WATERS WORLD….

Putin’s first words to Sleepy Joe….

“You’ll need to unmute your mic Mr President”

😀 😀 😀
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December 8, 2021 12:56pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Then said, “actually don’t bother Joe…….” lol
  
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  December 8, 2021 2:01pm
surfing

What do you do in one of New Zealands fastest growing cities to reduce rubbish and waste?

You close one of the transfer stations of course.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/taurangas-te-maunga-transfer-station-traffic-doubles-sparks-road-safety-fears/4IN33SNZE2M5PPMI4RAMD3B3KE/

Tauranga is just shit these days… took me 1 hour ten minutes to drive from the mount to 13th ave in Tauranga the other day (approx 9km). The traffic wasn’t abnormal either. Minor roadworks destroys our little city of 100k people..
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December 8, 2021 1:17pm
Taieri

Wonderful news from the Minister of the Economic and Regional Development:

“New Zealand has secured a four year deal to bring the new high-tech global sailing competition SailGP to our shores.”

Among the benefits of this exciting opportunity:

“SailGP has a strong environmental focus and its emphasis on diversity and inclusivity through its Women’s Pathway Program align strongly with our priorities. We look forward to working with organisers to finalise contractual arrangements to bring these events to life,”

No mention of the Rainbow Community involvement though. Do I sense a bit of neglect and discrimination here?…

The Minister for Pacific People has also been working extremely hard:

“A new fund will support the empowerment of Pacific Aotearoa to live safely under New Zealand’s COVID-19 Protection Framework(…)”

“In November, Cabinet agreed on $2 million in funding for the Ministry for Pacific Peoples to support outreach into the Pacific Community. This will underpin their safe transition to the COVID-19 Protection Framework.”

“This investment will ensure the shift to the COVID-19 Protection Framework is well communicated and understood by our Pacific communities.”

“From now until June 2022, MPP will engage with our communities throughout Aotearoa supporting an educational empowerment approach to Pacific peoples. I want them to have the confidence and independence to navigate safely their movements under the new framework in the languages the different Pacific nations understand,”

Translation anyone, as Google Translate doesn’t seem to be able to handle this one…
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December 8, 2021 1:27pm
greybeard

I see that Sharon Murdoch’s venom and hatred continues unabated.
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December 8, 2021 1:28pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Anyone that lists their previous career as a “pooper scooper” has a lifetime of hate built up……..
  
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  December 8, 2021 2:07pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Judging by the quality of cartoons she serves up, some might say she never changed careers.
    
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    December 8, 2021 8:40pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, when personal hatred of another is allowed to encroach on their job – maybe time for the employer to call it a day and try someone else.
  Are cartoons supposed to be funny?
  Or just an opportunity to publicly vilify someone you don’t like and get paid for it?
  
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  December 8, 2021 2:15pm
cmm

Well that lady who neglected her husband to death got 5 years and 7 months.

The lawyer asked for 50% discount due to remorse (that she didn’t show). I suppose he has to do his job.

Out in 2?
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December 8, 2021 1:35pm
- Harriet
  
  I couldn’t believe what I read on Stuff about a young woman who killed a girl while driving, over the limit, texting, speeding, and on the wrong side of the road — 5 months home detention and a $20k bill.
  
  And another who has been caught TWICE driving disqualified after having killed someone while driving unlicensed, she has also got next to nothing for every time she has appeared before court.
  
  No one involved is showing any real authority, just hopeful for the most part that ‘this time it get’s through’. And that’s for the accused and their peers.
  
  And that is while you get fined for going over the speed limit 4ks or so – on a highway or motorway without distraction.
  
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  December 8, 2021 1:49pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I see a lot of women in SUVs texting while driving. I’m not sure what that’s all about. I even saw one (around 50 years old with expensive big hair do) driving at 110kmph (that’s the speed limit on some outer highways in Victoria) with the mobile held with both hands resting on top of the steering wheel, texting with both thumbs. I’d love to see people like that lose their licence for a very long time and get jail time.
    
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    December 8, 2021 5:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Women can mostly avoid doing serious jail time by getting themselves pregnant after arrest.
  
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  December 8, 2021 4:18pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Apparently there is a large uptick in women getting preggers on US battle ships shortly after the ships are about to be deployed into war zones.
    
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    December 8, 2021 5:53pm
ClanMcleod

Joe Rogan talking to Jordan Peterson. Asking how did we get to such an insane position. Peterson explains, encroach right to the point where they protest. then stop. wait. allow acculturation.

then do it again. and again. and again. One day you wake up and you’re 5 miles away from where you started and wondering how the fuck did that happen.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/world-domination-by-increments/comments
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December 8, 2021 2:03pm
- BananaLlama
  
  The problem is that Politcians on the right are gutless and wont move the window of debate in their direction from the left.
  They should stand behind the right of self defense for example but they just melt away and cower from a hostile media.
  
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  December 8, 2021 2:44pm
rangitoto

Mossad strike again?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43400/irans-newest-warship-has-fallen-on-its-side-in-a-dry-dock
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December 8, 2021 2:08pm
- sooty
  
  HHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA.
  
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  December 8, 2021 3:18pm
- alex Masterley
  
  It was an accident, honestly…
  
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  December 8, 2021 3:58pm
- Colville
  
  So much easier than it randomly blowing up at sea…
  
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  December 8, 2021 4:23pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Several things could have happened.
  
  1 They started flooding the DD and the tanks were not in the same condition as when the ship entered. ie some were empty that should be full and vice versa. This effected the trim and stability and as she gained bouyancy she slipped off the blocks.
  
  2 If she was a new vessel someone had blundered in calculating the stability and trim.
  
  3 They took the shores out too early!!!
  
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  December 8, 2021 4:46pm
Its only I

When or if there is an enquiry into the NZ covid response who initiates it normally?

I’m hoping there is some separation from gov. and whoever gets to assemble the team of investigators gets to follow all the money trails.
I hate to think NZ journalism has a money trail back to their prefered party in gov rather than just their own personal red lens political leaning.
I’m not sure if its just me but it seems some
major news sites must be so financially secure with their political leaning they don’t even pretend to be honest about it anymore.
I know one site has had staff leave to work directly for the Labour media swamp so maybe that explains how the sites comment trolls are so accurately coordinated with Labour media releases flooding comments sections with pro Labour propaganda under opposition party articles.
Let’s hope whoever gets the job to look into it has a free hand….yeah sure they will.
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December 8, 2021 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets….

#69. Sweet & Sour Beef Flaps.

‘Earlier this year, the CSIS reported that the CCP were looking to bribe or blackmail politicians. The same report said some operations rely on flattery, money, and even romantic entanglements’

https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1468181004892483588

Could we ever see something like this happen here?
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December 8, 2021 2:58pm
Bridgenag

Sent to me

From a member of the health team : Extra payment is being given for Maori and Pasifika vaccinations through NHI numbers. Government paid for popcorn, thick shakes and ice cream sundaes with DJ and big screen movies plus $100 Pak n Save vouchers from 4 pm – 8 pm at Airport Drive through. So much for the attack on obesity…

And someone from St Heliers had a chance meeting today with a person (Mr X) who contracts to the police and in his role has almost daily contact with them.

He resides in St Heliers/Glendowie and he disclosed some information which you will not read in the daily newspaper:
· There is a growing presence of the Comancheros bikey gang (often referred to as the 501’s after the Australian Deportation Act) in the Eastern suburbs of Auckland .
· Some time ago they purchased a property in The Rise (off Springcombe Rd) reputedly for circa $7m which is one of their eastern bases.
· They are having an increasingly threatening presence in the area as have been instances of certain break ins (dairies and liquor outlets etc)
· Mr X recently had a recent verbal altercation with three gang members and was rewarded with a brick through his home window.
· Mr X showed me his missing top teeth the result of a previous assault in Glen Innes
· Its reported that on Sunday afternoon members of the gang rode their bikes three abreast up and down Tamaki Drive and around Achilles Point for a considerable time.
· There were apparently a large number of bikes involved causing considerable nuisance, noise and road safety issues
· The entire length of Tamaki Dr on Saturday and Sunday afternoons is fast becoming an unruly “playground” for a certain sector of society that have no respect for the law or normal society standards or behaviour.
· Parking on boat ramps and the adjacent beaches (Kohi/St Heliers etc) is now the norm and the authorities are simply turning a blind eye.
· Mr X was also aware that a certain spate of break ins in Omaha (of all places) has been traced to the above gang
· Apparently they are eyeing Morton’s as their local watering hole which will not be good for the St Heliers business area
A couple of Sundays ago I approach a couple of police officers who were attending a beach/sea incident at the eastern end of St Heliers beach and asked them (when they were about to leave) to drop by the boat ramp and speak to the owners of 10 vehicles illegally parked on the ramp/beach. They agreed to do this but sadly I watched them drive off and go straight up St Heliers Bay Road.

So much for policing and law and order.

Community leaders need to urgently step up and take control of a frightening situation that is rapidly deteriorating .
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December 8, 2021 3:47pm
- Inandout
  
  Bridge, what surprises me is that they are actually hanging around some of the most expensive real estate in NZ. The occupiers of these properties are top shelf people with huge influence over government measures around law and order in their patch. Now if these gangs are rolling in drug money they can easily outbid buyers along this stretch of Tamaki Drive and copy what US Mafia did when they went ‘respectable’….buy legal.
  
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  December 8, 2021 4:36pm
cmm

Poor old Jussie’s learning the hard way…

If you want the job done right then hire a couple of
white guys.
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December 8, 2021 4:03pm
NZer In Exile

I listened to this podcast yesterday. Many excellent nuggets therein. This is heavy duty listening but excellent for understanding the current woke insanity and how we got here.

New Discourses: A Brief History of Identity Marxism – Dr James Lindsay.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1iPs5TJVFjQXmejVVPiBlC

https://www.stitcher.com/show/new-discourses/episode/a-brief-history-of-identity-marxism-88697681

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-brief-history-of-identity-marxism/id1499880546?i=1000543656161
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December 8, 2021 4:24pm
graham

I see Rueben Taipari of the MADE-UP “Tai Tokerau Border Control” is upset at his workers being labelled “thugs.”

Would he prefer “vigilantes”?
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December 8, 2021 4:35pm
Fletch

The unvaxxed could be sitting on a gold mine! ?

Dudes Who (Maybe) Think Their Unvaxxed Sperm Will Soon Be Worth A Fortune Have Turned It Into A Cryptocurrency

https://uproxx.com/viral/unvaxxed-sperm-cryptocurrency-new-bitcoin/
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December 8, 2021 4:37pm
slightlyrighty

Ardern was rattled in the house today….

So Rattled that she accidentally put on Grant Robertsons Facemask by mistake!
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December 8, 2021 4:38pm
- Inandout
  
  slight, that will be the end of Aderns.
  
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  December 8, 2021 5:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  ooooooh!
  She might catch his bugs.
  
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  December 8, 2021 5:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry, no comment. I will get banned. But you can think about why.
    There is no banning on thinking YET
    
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    December 8, 2021 9:20pm
Maggie Pie

ZB @4:30

Wasn’t sure if I heard this right or not?

‘Aotearoa New Zealand now has more than EIGHTEEN THOUSAND Public Servants earning more than $100k per year’.

Tell me that ain’t so…..
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December 8, 2021 4:40pm
- surfing
  
  Heard wrong, it was actually Auckland Council 🙂
  
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  December 8, 2021 5:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I know it’s easy to knock Len Brown…but at least we got a LARF.
    
    gOOF…not so much 🙁
    
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    December 8, 2021 5:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Bev was knocking Len. Goof was knocking someone?
      Never///
      
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      December 8, 2021 9:24pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The number of Civil Servants has jumped by 30% under Labour.
  
  Any wonder house prices in Wellington have gone through the roof!
  
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  December 8, 2021 5:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Absolutely appalling. And that is without counting all the ‘journalists’ now in the pay of the government.
    
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    December 8, 2021 5:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear Police,
You are about 40 years late to the party.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/127221615/criminal-charges-filed-against-former-lake-alice-staff-member
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December 8, 2021 4:41pm
Benedict Yu

Good example of how the media and business owners remain confused about the traffic light rules.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/127197973/wellingtons-elements-cafe-pivots-to-permanent-takeaway-model-but-insists-it-is-not-about-vaccination

“Slaughter was planning to reopen for seated dining once Wellington was at green, when proof of vaccination is no longer required.”

NO. Under “GREEN” a vaccine pass is still required to dine at a cafe.

“Hospitality venues, such as cafes, bars, restaurants and nightclubs, can open at Green with no restrictions if they follow My Vaccine Pass requirements.”

https://covid19.govt.nz/traffic-lights/life-at-green/hospitality-venues-at-green/

It is mind boggling how a cafe owner can take such a major decision in ignorance of the rules. And a journalist doing the story does not point out that she is mistaken.
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December 8, 2021 5:25pm
- Fletch
  
  The whole scheme is unsupportable. There’s no logic behind it.
  
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  December 8, 2021 6:17pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/300472781/live-ashes-australia-vs-england-day-one-of-the-first-test-in-brisbane
How dismal! We should lend England the use of Ross Taylor to improve their batting……………
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December 8, 2021 6:06pm
Fletch

It looks like both hosts from Seven Sharp have been to the tanning salon….
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December 8, 2021 6:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Taming Salon maybe?
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Willie Jackson reckons that the Act Party are Right-wing fascists.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/maori-development-minister-willie-jackson-kicked-out-of-parliament-for-right-wing-fascist-comment/OIZQJ3QM42VSM3GSSLE7YLLIYY/

Perhaps he needs to pay attention to some of the repressive legislation his Government has recently instituted.
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December 8, 2021 7:39pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Willie Jackson is just another NPC (non-Player-Character in video game parlayance) mouthing meaningless biscuit barrel grievance phrases on queue for media without any sign of actual cogitation going on.
  
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  December 8, 2021 8:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Willie Jackson does not have a mirror.
  Mirror is a terrible white privilege invention made to oppress MOARI
  
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  December 8, 2021 9:14pm
[email protected]

Last week the wife and I could go out and enjoy a meal together here in Whangarei. Today, because of the new traffic light system, we can’t.

What happened? Auckland gets more freedoms and Nothland gets less! We have fewer Covid cases than Auckland.
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