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fernglas

This road block thing. What a good chuckle to wake up to. Your responsible cop says this:

“Hill said police were committing to no unreasonable delays at the border checkpoints into Northland, but could not define what was unreasonable.

He said going by modelling, police hoped to finish a single car’s ‘stop and check’ in under a minute, but it could go up to three minutes if people did not have the correct documentation or evidence.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018824539/police-explain-how-holiday-covid-19-checkpoints-will-work

The only figure I could find for traffic figures going North at Christmas was for 2008, which put it at 13,500 per day, so if say 6,000 of those are stopped at Uretiti on Boxing Day and take a minute (haha) to check, it will be New Year’s Eve before the last of them gets to Whangarei.
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December 15, 2021 8:00am
- I remember when
  
  I guess Hill’s thinking aligned with the thinking of those in the queue and their relative position.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:08am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    Ok……..let me see if I’ve got this straight. When leaving Auckland heading north you go through the official police checkpoint to check you’re vaxxed, then once entering Northland you get stopped again at a TTBC iwi checkpoint to once again prove that you’ve been vaccinated. Is this correct?
    If so, why do we need to prove we are vaxxed twice?
    It seems to me that this is all about politics and nothing to do with health…….//
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:41am
    - graham
      
      I hadn’t heard that you had to go through an additional TTBC iwi checkpoint, but if so I would guess it’s more about TTBC trying to intimidate people into turning back.
      
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      December 15, 2021 10:54am
    - tf78
      
      Frank, that’s simple, you’ll spend so long in the cue your vaccine will have worn off.
      
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      December 15, 2021 11:34am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Why go at all, why go where you are not wanted.
  
  Let them wallow in their own shit.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:11am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I am sorry for the Northland businesses, I won’t bother going fishing up there this year.
    
    The businesses and all others affected by this loss if livelihood need to get over and throw shit at NZ’s biggest racist, he is responsible for this calamity along with NZ’s second biggest racist, his mother.
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:50am
    - RiP NZ
      
      Ardern enabled it though Gnome – her government passed the law under urgency to allow the blocks because they were sht scared of what Maori would do otherwise.
      Pathetic ‘leadership’
      I too have cancelled a week up North.
      
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      December 15, 2021 9:45am
      - Harriet
        
        How do you say ‘Palestine’ in Maori ?
        
        I mean they will now be the first to get a maori health system, right?
        
        The government should’ve blocked off Wellington instead, as at least they’d have lots of tunnels to show for it. 😎
        
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        December 15, 2021 10:49am
      - Leofric
        
        Me too. I was going up in October but that was canceled when the lockdown deepened. Now I just can’t be bothered.
        
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        December 15, 2021 6:50pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        RIP: Ditto. A week cancelled for 4 people. Sad for Northland businesses. Well done Cindy & Co.
        
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        December 15, 2021 8:38pm
    - tf78
      
      Paulus, do you think the Northland businesses will go broke and bail from Northland, leaving it open for a Hone takeover. By the way, let’s start calling him Hone Hatfield. The guy is a fraud.
      
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      December 15, 2021 11:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        John Hatfield
        
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        December 15, 2021 2:14pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Just in to remind you of Ardern_see the cartoon: “The Four Horsewomen of the Apocalyse”
      
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      December 15, 2021 12:20pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        https://www.infowars.com/
        
        Political cartoons segment.
        
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        December 15, 2021 12:21pm
    - Nickc2
      
      One should question how one nutter can hold Northland to ransom under this Govt.
      Honestly, you’d expect someone in this Govt to whisper in Cindy’s ear the damage she’s causing to Northland’s economy due to her self-interest in maintaining the Maori Party on side. I doubt they would walk anyway. They may jump up and down, bare their bums, wave some sticks, poke their tongues out and shout some unintelligible words, but they know where their best interests are and that’s with Labour.
      Sometimes, you have to cede a little to gain a lot.
      
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      December 15, 2021 12:41pm
- Raphael
  
  I remember living around Thames where there was a single lane bridge into the Coromandel…..13km long queues at holiday peaks. A number of enterprising young folk took to going up and down the queue selling soft drinks and ice creams.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:18am
  - [email protected]
    
    And porta-loos?
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:35am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Happy days!
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:42am
  - Ed Snack
    
    There was a way around that choke point though, and at peak queue times it was a lot quicker to go further South first rather than wait for a couple of hours, even though it isn’t a short trip to Paeroa.
    
    Interesting old bridge though, not really a problem except at the holiday rush times. I seem to recall there being an accident on the bridge at one time, blocked it for hours. But again, people just went around via Paeroa and back up highway 26.
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:15am
- Scott
  
  fernglas – there certainly are practical difficulties administering the checkpoints.
  The concern I have is the whole scheme revives tribalism. Hone Hariwira now controls his tribal territory and will decide who comes in to that territory. That’s tribalism. He has the authority over a territory.
  
  We are one country or we are not. Who wants to go back to tribalism? Can we look forward to the return of tribal warfare in the future?
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:20am
  - alloytoo
    
    That’s a treaty breach right there.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:15am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not to worry. Nga Puhi are a fractious bunch, that’s why they haven’t concluded their Treaty settlement. Hone will be put in his place by his own people sooner or later.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:43am
    - rouppe
      
      The fact that it’s “sooner or later” and not “today” suggests “his people” aren’t against it.
      
      The whole of northland can go back to living in caves and wearing grass skirts as far as I’m concerned. Just don’t spend any of my tax dollars there
      
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      December 15, 2021 11:03am
  - Ruahine
    
    It is all part of the He Pua Pua plan. Iwi are to be given Tribal control over areas of interest. It is a document that should be read by all thinking people. Sadly however very few people will read it. Hone Harawira will have. It is working for him. He now controls who goes into Tai Tokerau and who does not.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:57am
  - namron
    
    I am wondering if the timing of these checkpoints etc was cunningly planned for the day after Parliament Question Time finished for the year!!
    One major and very damaging source of criticism shut down until Feb next year!!
    
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    December 15, 2021 12:33pm
  - Leofric
    
    It’s going to be like the King Country in the late 19th Century. Hone Country.
    
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    December 15, 2021 6:52pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Hill said police were committing to no unreasonable delays
  
  I’d prefer it if Police committed to not enforcing unreasonable laws. It’s called discretion, and they apply this routinely. So why not now?
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:31am
  - RoboRob
    
    They are using discretion. They are choosing to enforce this ‘law’ at the cost of others (by moving resources away from crime). The police commissioner is a labour ‘plant’ and the police spokespeople Labour lackies.
    
    Watched the horrible breakfast show on TV One this morning and the so called reporting on the check points was just propaganda and lies. They police went so far as to thank the volunteers for helping on the check points. Ignoring that if the police weren’t playing cover for these people they would be there illegally running the check points instead.
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:57am
- RoboRob
  
  Its only running smoothly because they knew he media would be all over this on day one. So what they are doing is letting most cars through without checking. The TV coverage this morning showed cars driving straight through the ‘check point’ in the background.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:59am
- coge
  
  “There seems to be a discrepancy with your papers..”
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:48am
I remember when

Has the selection process for the next All Black coach already started.
Is it time for ‘Razor’ to look at prospects and money making opportunities overseas.
Will it be the continuity argument again.
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December 15, 2021 8:05am
- pdm
  
  Schmidt has taken on a big job (bigger than coaching Ireland) in carrying the inept Foster.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:50am
- RoboRob
  
  The NZRU certainly doesn’t seem to like Canterbury coaches. If I was Razor I would wait to be turned down again and head for Europe / Japan with my incredibly successful super rugby record on my CV.
  
  It’s a joke when the best coach in NZ, by far, can’t even get a look in.
  
  ‘Consistency’ in the ABs coaching pool has really hurt the ABs. The slow decline continues.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:03am
- trout
  
  This looks like a rerun of the John Hart/ Grizz Wyllie debacle prior to the 1991 world cup. At that time the NZRFU tried to include John Hart as a selector as a sop to those who wanted him to replace Grizz as coach. But Hart refused and was made co-coach with disastrous results. The team divided into Auckland – Canterbury factions and failed to win the Cup. The NZRFU has blundered by reappointing Foster and once again, by employing Schmidt, is trying to cover a bad bet. Thus far the AB’s look like they would not get past a quarter final in the next WC.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:06am
- MCōs
  
  I think his pathway, if he wants to coach the ABs, is to get some international experience first.
  He coached the U20 AB for a couple of years and the Crusaders for four.
  Foster, Hansen & Henry had been around international teams for years.
  Personally I think the coach isn’t the ABs biggest problem. They lose too much talent offshore and some of their best players are getting pretty old now.
  Furthermore.
  With South Africa gone from the super competition there’s little to test themselves against who play a different style.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:17am
  - I remember when
    
    The problems will also grow with Pacific Island players now looking at leaving All Blacks earlier to play for their ‘home’ islands.
    Add this to the fact that UK/Europe will always be able to pay more for players.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:03am
    - Colville
      
      You think a player will leave a $250k salary for the Abs to play for the corrupt PI rugby administration? They couldn’t even afford boots for the world cup!
      
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      December 15, 2021 11:39am
  - trout
    
    @MCos ‘Josef Schmidt is a New Zealand-born rugby union coach, who was the head coach of Ireland from 2013–2019. In six years under his leadership, Ireland won three Six Nations Championships, including a Grand Slam in 2018. Ireland were ranked number 1 in the World Rugby Rankings for the first time in their history in 2019, and recorded their first-ever wins over his home nation of New Zealand. ‘ (Wiki)
    
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    December 15, 2021 2:58pm
Warren

It was only a matter of time before Transport Minister Michael Wood and Labour rolled out their Prime Minister’s
Number one tool to help decieve the public when things are going wrong and that is the blame game as its always someone else is fault never their own.
Transmission Gully is a botched National Party PPP and we are now experiencing costs cries Michael Wood.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/127274853/transmission-gully-publicprivate-partnership-contract-was-wrong-call-transport-minister-says
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December 15, 2021 8:07am
- G152
  
  All the delays are under Woods ministry
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:26am
- mandk
  
  At least the thing is being built, and is near completion.
  
  Where is the Auckland light rail? Ardern promised it would be open by 2021, but her useless team hasn’t even decided the route yet.
  
  It will probably be at least five years late.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:30am
  - Paulus
    
    It is bullshit as it will never happen – will take far too long to get to the Airport which is its intention.
    Look at the Sydney fiasco.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:29am
  - septic skeptic
    
    It should be pretty damn nice once it’s finished though, with all those fuel surcharge dollars building up in the kitty. Unless some bastard has pilfered them!
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:31am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “At least the thing is being built, and is near completion.”
    
    It is only at that point because National started it and got it past the point of no return.
    The stupid Auckland light rail will never happen.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:37am
- peterwn
  
  Why, then, did not Labour send in Heather Simpson to bang heads together and sort it out? If it was a direct Government project the prospective completion date would have been at least 2030.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If National wasn’t in power 2008-2017 Transmission Gully would never have been built.
  Neither would the Kapiti Expressway.
  Labour hates roads and that’s why they’re bogging it down in bureaucracy.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:33am
  - igm
    
    Remember spineless Goff organising a march to stop the Paraparaumu by-pass. Like Goff, Wood is all piss and wind.
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:38am
    - Paulus
      
      Wood is the Union’s man remember.
      
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      December 15, 2021 9:29am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Paulus – Wood is also a practising Anglican, and that’s absolutely fine. Interesting though that he doesn’t seem to have received the same scrutiny about his faith that Christopher Luxon did, even when Luxon entered Parliament as a lowly Opposition backbencher!
      
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      December 15, 2021 10:02am
      - curry4me
        
        Tony Stuart: Christians are only bad if they’re from National, or ACT. /sarc
        
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        December 15, 2021 12:31pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Add the new CHCH moterways to that list, sat forever under Labour and than implemented under National. Massively successful in improving traffic flow, reducing travel time and emisions. Massive economic benefit to CHCH and Rolleston.
    
    When Labour came in they cancelled (delayed) the planned and authorised new CHCH roading that was about to take place.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:06am
    - Leofric
      
      The motorway through to Rolleston, one or two flaws notwithstanding, is a gigantic improvement on the previous route south. A successful project for once. Labour would have completely fucked it up.
      
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      December 15, 2021 6:56pm
- Tricati
  
  Just heard Wood on with Mike Yardley and started the ‘its all Nationals fault’ crap but got nowhere.
  The problem is the PPP is probably fine, but has been piss poorly managed under Labour for four years as no one within their ranks has any big business experience and they have relied on shinny arse bureaucrats to run the contract.
  Its just typical of their incompetence to deliver anything other than a large economic deficit.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:36am
- nathie
  
  Remember during 2020 when the borders shut and the Labour Government wouldn’t allow critical TG project workers/planners/specialists back into the country? There were reports then that this will cause delays (and I bet they still haven’t been allowed back in – over to Labour to “refute” that).
  
  Perhaps Labour need to look into the mirror as to who the culprits really are.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:39am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Under National, The Kapiti Expressway was planned, designed and built on time, and under budget, due to a PPP.
  
  The model works well, when it’s properly driven and managed, which Transmission Gully has not been.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:47am
  - SoloView
    
    slightlyrightly – was the Kapiti Expressway a PPP or a tendered contract process which Fletchers won?
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:05am
  - rouppe
    
    Though the kapiti expressway then endured years of roadworks to fix up poor base engineering
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:09am
- Nickc2
  
  If the contract was botched by National, it doesn’t take four years to renegotiate and finish the project, unless you don’t know what you are doing. I suspect the latter is the reason for delays.
  BTW, wasn’t Julie-anne Genta Associate Minister of Transport at the time? Perhaps she was involved in Contract Renegotiations given how much she hates roads.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:49am
- Rich Prick
  
  What a fuckwit. It takes a lot to earn that epitaph from me, but these Labour creatures earn their points pretty quickly.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:08am
- coge
  
  Labour is trying to front foot this, “boo hoo it’s all National’s fault” Well, after six long years of neglect, once again it’s reaffirmed Labour fails in all large infrastructure projects.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:46am
  - rouppe
    
    Six years of slumber, mate.
    Five years of failure
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:13am
- John Pakes
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  And they are right. Gerry wandered into a dumb contract with a dumb price.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Really?
    Citation needed
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:43am
Mr_Blobby

Traffic in Auckland is starting to build up.

Maybe we should have another lockdown to clear the congestion.

Welcome to another day of lockdown, I mean freedom with permission from the government, tyranny.

Brought to you by the most inept incompetent communist control freaks.
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December 15, 2021 8:09am
NeverMindTheBollocks

23 degrees in Wellington. See how much they like Aucklanders. Even laid on familiar weather for them.
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December 15, 2021 8:10am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I come from Wellington. I suggest you get in with the WD-40 on all the moving parts of the pool cover and convertible top once finishing with the chicken counting because with Wellington weather, it can be a long time between drinks . . .
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:54am
- greybeard
  
  Yes: it is now 24.7c at Waikanae Beach.
  At 10:08am.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:09am
Homas

Law of the land bringing you down? Pesky regulations harshing your buzz?

I’ve been contemplating the current situation, along with a bit of history, and have come to the conclusion that the best approach is to just ignore anything doesn’t suit me 100% to the utmost extent possible, and generally go about my business as I see fit.

Who knows, give it forty or fifty years, some dipshit Prime Minister could end up playing dress-ups and issuing an apology for all I know. Stranger things have happened.
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December 15, 2021 8:14am
Yvette

At 7:00am Host David Farrar posted Jacinda’s lockdown
This should destroy the myth that the Government is simply following the scientific advice. The scientific advice was that many regions should be green, and some of the red regions should be orange – plus that the Auckland boundary should have gone by now.
It was Jacinda’s personal decision to over-ride the advice and keep restrictions going for longer than deemed necessary.

We wonder why businessmen of Auckland, who have tragically lost their businesses because of the lockdown and in particular its apparently wrongful extension, don’t bring a class claim – or whatever the correct legal term is – against the ‘Crown’ and Ardern in particular.

Even joining with perhaps South Island tourist businesses, that have been so badly compromised, because the South Island, until very recently, had no covid cases but was held at a higher level that appears not for scientific health reason but political, so the ‘We Are Sort of Us’ sloganeer did not create too bigger elective gap between the Mainland and Auckland (to the disaffection of Auckland, whence the next Election will be won or lost).

Sue Them, Her! – for wrongfully applying the COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020, Version as at 4 December 2021.

The Government has already confessed to several instances of ignoring actual medical advice. So, by what legal or populous mandate? The last Election may have been proclaimed a “Covid Election” but measures like “Vaccine Passes” were not mentioned then, nor splitting the nation from one end to the other by their use.

Perhaps Winston could find a lawyer who will do it pro bono “free, for the public good” – the spin-off spin could be spectacular. Winston’s resurrection could happen here :o)
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December 15, 2021 8:15am
- Yvette
  
  Oops! – vast mistake
  Disclaimer: We disavow any admiration, support or positive belief in Winston!
  I mean the maroon is intending to take his superannuation claim to the Supreme Court, even – the claim which will shortly qualify for superannuation itself, and apart from the initial glitch that there was an irregularity at all (and after Metiria’s fraud, his action were saintly) but it seems no “private detail” was ever released that Winston did not either pubically confirm or enlarge on, except the “legal” difference of $63.57 between the actual figure of $17,936.43 rather than the $18,000 that media guessed he’d need to pay back because the relationship status box on his application form had been left blank, by him or an agent under his behest.
  
  The only greater stuppage is an MMP system that allows people to vote for such a man, that after all the other votes for anyone else are collated and announced, one man (who claims, but can not prove others, his closest colleagues to be involved) can them decide what to do with all those votes alloted to him, regardless of their intent, and crown which party he chooses to be Government.
  Which may make some people very angry, but also complissate. Sorry, for seeming at all – um, sad or even a little slightish um, nasty :o)
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/winston-peters-fact-check-18000-repayment-amount-demonstrably-false-in-2017/A45KXDPXKC7DT7M2QBXY6T657E/
  
  (And I apologise to anyone who up-ticked the comment above, before we added this, but that indeed is the deception we allude to in describing MMP – the result you get after everyone has voted and has the general results, including Winston, before he has his final ‘vote’ – with hundreds of thousands of yours who voted for him )
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:57am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    “Maroon” – like it! Would be even better if we could maroon him somewhere distant.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:08pm
Rusty

Heard a spokesman for Rotorua tourism say on the news they need Aucklanders to spend their money there.

Whats the motel situation like down there — are half them still been taken by people needing emergency accommodations or are anti-social people still roaming around the city hassling visitors?

That’s what I noticed last year.
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December 15, 2021 8:25am
- Rich Prick
  
  Yes. I wouldn’t park my car anywhere on Fenton Street, let alone dodge the gangs and mental health cases and actually stay there for a night or two. The only thing distinguishing it from SF’s Tenderloin is the lack of gunfire and the perfume of urine in the air.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:18am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    What he said. Fenton is a no go now. Only place we really go is shopping and Eat Streat. Council have doubled the number of “guardians” recently.
    
    Rotorua has become a dumping ground for anyone who cant get a home in the North Island, and it really shows.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:05am
    - Paulus
      
      Thought I heard that 37 Motels in Rotorua had Government contracts to house families.
      One family apparently has 11 of those Motels.
      Believed to be non indigenous.
      
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      December 15, 2021 1:33pm
krazykiwi

The Pandemicists Must Be Stopped: –

The pandemicists are truly dangerous, and they will grind human civilisation into the dust unless we find some way of putting all of them out of work. They aren’t going to save anybody from the next pandemic; in the event it happens, they’ll just take advantage of the opportunity to expand their ranks still further and make all of our lives worse. And should novel viruses prove slow to materialise in the post-Corona era, they’ll get up to other tricks. Tricks like new and enhanced histrionics over every seasonal influenza outbreak. Tricks like the intentional release of more engineered viral pathogens to keep the grant funding flowing. Tricks like constant lunatic mass vaccination schemes against ever milder viruses. Still other tricks I haven’t considered. The pandemicists have to go.
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December 15, 2021 8:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Another outstanding post from Eugyppius.
  
  “Corona has vastly expanded the ranks of pandemic planners and public health botherers. Unless something is done, these people will destroy all of society in their radical pursuit of a few viruses.”
  
  This is Baker, Wiles, Plank, Hendy and their equivalents overseas. These people MUST be stopped.
  
  https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-pandemicists-must-be-stopped
  
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  December 15, 2021 2:36pm
- Fight4NZ
  
  Wish I could see the future like you and your friends.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:41pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Opening your eyes is always a good start. Try it. You might like it.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:18pm
JibberJabber

A pandemic of Government logic…

https://twitter.com/Randomitable/status/1470817223619002368/photo/1
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December 15, 2021 8:27am
Spoff

Thought-provoking article by Dr. Paul Alexander who holds a doctorate in evidence-based medicine and research methods from Canada’s McMaster University, a masters in evidence-based medicine from Oxford University, and a masters in epidemiology from the University of Toronto – former Assistant Professor at McMaster University in evidence-based medicine and research methodology and Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche , PhD (Virology, University of Hohenheim, Germany – formerly Senior Program Officer for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA).
“Countries which have implemented mass vaccination programs have created the conditions as excellent breeding grounds for more infectious variants. These countries will exhibit a high level of hospitality to Omicron and its peers.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/fully-vaccinated-are-a-major-source-of-covid-virus-transmission-virologist-former-hhs-advisor/
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December 15, 2021 8:27am
- mawm
  
  And the response will be ‘vaccine harder”!
  
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  December 15, 2021 1:37pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    To a Trump man and and renowned antivaxxer? Zero response of course.
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:56pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Original Antigenic Sin as predicted.
  
  https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/original-antigenic-sin-is-a-real
  
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  December 15, 2021 2:47pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Not sure what point you are trying to support with this? It finds non-covid coronavirus disease or vaccination does not help covid immune response, covid disease or vaccination does. Good.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:00pm
Tony Stuart

Just when you thought the world had gone completely mad, Scottish Police have gone even further:

Police Scotland say they will record rapes by offenders with a penis as carried out by a woman if they identify as female, regardless of whether they’ve legally changed gender.

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1470577660569047040

Give me strength!
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December 15, 2021 8:29am
- RalphT
  
  Sounds like someone in Police Scotland has had a wee too many nips of whisky
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:56am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Imaging when they start releasing offender descriptions: “Police are seeking a woman, 1.9m, 110kg balding with a heavy beard”
  
  They lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.
  -Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:57am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    “Police are seeking a woman, 1.9m, 110kg balding with a heavy beard, and a penis”
    
    Fixed it for you!
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:04am
- RightNow
  
  And thus ends the all rapists are men narrative
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:21am
- Raphael
  
  and the twitter left are having a canary at JK Rowling for being ticked off about this.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:28am
- oldfella
  
  Tony, what a complete ‘cock up’.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:45am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Perfectly logical absurdity
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:10pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Does this government have ANY idea what is happening to the billions in cash it’s been dishing out?

Asking for a friend.
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December 15, 2021 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why do you need to ask these pesky questions, maggie pie?
  
  The Ministry could not demonstrate that it
  received value for money.
  The Ministry did not manage the cost
  https://oag.parliament.nz/2021/inquiry-emergency-housing/docs/summary-emergency-housing.pdf
  
  Don’t you trust this government?
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No.
    
    To be clear, no.
    
    Do you have a supplementary question?
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t you trust this government?
    
    In a word, NO!!!
    
    Lying, conniving, incompetent bastards.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:16am
- Tricati
  
  Maggie – NO
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:39am
- Yvette
  
  Maggie Pie, please tell your Friend, “No – they have no fucking idea.
  No more than – although it seems on a miserly minimal scale now compared to “covid” expenditure – the regular $200 – 600 million that is annually spent in preserving and promoting the demise of te reo Maori, with no one, apparently, knowing exactly how much, or where the hell it ever goes.”
  Be prepared, too, to needing to comfort your Friend after this revelation.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:10am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Oh they know where it goes, only they really don’t want to have to say where.
    
    And a good chunk gets recycled into flash SUV’s, Harley Davidsons, and Real Estate.
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:27am
  - Leofric
    
    There is a rapacious, grasping maori elite that could help Maggie answer her friend’s question. Could… but I think it unlikely they would.
    
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    December 15, 2021 7:02pm
- Biscuit
  
  Tell me about it, Maggie.
  
  A just-conducted poll in this household had 100% support in favour of the proposition that I was easily the male on the premises most deserving of having at least one wad of cash thrown his way.
  
  Yet every time I check the back door for my courier-delivered cut of Grant’s borrowed billions I see nowt…
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:30am
- Nickc2
  
  We won’t know until we see the number of votes they have purchased in the next election.
  Rest assured, those who benefit financially from this Govt sure as hell won’t vote National or ACT in the next election.
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:10pm
  - sooty
    
    Or will they just purchase some Dominion voting machines?
    
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    December 15, 2021 12:42pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I can assure you that none has come my way. I’m a net taxpayer whose firm took, then repaid the initial wage subsidy.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,
the Police have to vet the Northland Iwi roadblock chaps.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/upset-hone-harawira-claims-police-vetted-iwi-led-checkpoint-group-members.html

Congratulations to David Seymour for really screwing Our Dear PM down by clarifying just who will be in charge of every legal roadblock.
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December 15, 2021 8:30am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “Our people, over the last 18-20 months, have included bus drivers, gang members, doctors, lawyers, mothers, teachers – all sorts of people. Now, all of a sudden at the last minute, it got dropped on us that everyone had to be vetted.”
  
  Guess Hone only read the bit of the amended Covid 19 Response Act 2020 that said ”
  community patroller” – me think his local mana has taken a bit of a hit over night given that and only the odd vehicle being pulled over at Urititi.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:03am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    And how many times since these checkpoints were announced have some of us banged on about vetting for those collecting our personal details?
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:21am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      lost count WD – but maybe someone’s been reading this site and got the message 🙂
      
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      December 15, 2021 9:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Nope, it’s Seymour.
        
        If ACT hammers also Three Waters, the nonsense at the Royal Society of NZ, Woke crap in schools, the State corruption of the news media, it will get Parliamentary seats.
        
        We need ACT to put fire into a new Centre-Right government.
        
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        December 15, 2021 9:45am
- graham
  
  Harawira said, however, “we’ve had to stand down about half of our people” from helping to provide that protection following the vetting process.
  
  “That’s really killed us,” he told Morning Report on Wednesday.
  
  Err … so if you’ve had to stand down “about half of our people”, one has to ask, what particular issues did vetting identify that meant they were unsuitable for being on roadblocks?
  
  And on a related issue, I really think the power is going to Hone’s head. His latest suggestion is to just reschedule Christmas.
  
  “Why don’t we move Christmas for Northland to February 25 and then hopefully we’ll have borders open for everybody?”
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/covid-19-hone-harawira-calls-for-northland-s-christmas-to-be-moved-to-february-25.html
  
  Sure. Just completely mess up what is arguably the biggest holiday in the country, where everybody gets together with family and friends.
  
  What a moron.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:19am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    The Uritit queue’s shrinking graham – way less than the current normal Wairau Valley mess – this has turned out a complete bust for Hone and his mob.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:51am
    - GJM
      
      Is that because a lot of Jaffas are not going north unless they have to? I know a few that have no plans any more to go norht and are having holidays elsewhere this year – including me.
      A bit rough for the shop keepers up there, but meh, they know who to blame and it is not the Jaffas who can see they aren’t wanted.
      
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      December 15, 2021 2:31pm
  - Leofric
    
    I’m suddenly reminded of something I read somewhere a long time ago, about an Iranian minister in the postwar period claiming that the government should only have to pay for single pipe systems – they could carry water to homes during the day and carry the waste away at night. After all, nobody uses water at night.
    
    Hone-style thinking.
    
    I suppose this would also be 3 Waters under Nanaia Mahuta.
    
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    December 15, 2021 7:08pm
- David Garrett
  
  Harawira said, however, “we’ve had to stand down about half of our people” from helping to provide that protection following the vetting process.
  
  Nice of Hone the Racist to confirm that half of “his people” planning to man his illegal checkpoints were gang members or at least people with a criminal record.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I imagine there were some right charmers amongst Hone’s thugs.
    
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    December 15, 2021 1:17pm
Julie

The power of the PMs fear porn was shown to me last night. I live in a small North Ak town with very high vaccination rates. I was talking to an otherwise intelligent friend about family coming to stay now borders are open. She said one of her children was not coming because they had a 10 year who could not be vaccinated yet. I asked if that child had any medical issues, but no. I was amazed that she agreed it was too dangerous for that grandchild to visit her- she lives on a lifestyle block out of town, all family are fully vaccinated! She was not impressed when I said that child had more chance of dying or being injured in a car crash on the way to visit her.
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December 15, 2021 8:32am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Might I suggest “Statistics for dummies” as an xmas gift for her (and another million lockdown supporters)
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:20am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Despite your friend not being impressed, your efforts will not be in vain.
  
  Anyone who believes as your friend does has been hypnotised. This means that the power of another’s voice, the hypnosis can be reduced.
  
  Keep talking to your friend in a non-confrontational way and ask questions. That way you can find out what their primary fears are.
  
  All of us who are not hypnotised need to keep speaking to those that are.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:38am
  - mawm
    
    It will not get through. I just will not; the fear is too great.
    “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled” – allegedly Mark Twain.
    
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    December 15, 2021 1:46pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      True, but it’s still important to try, even if it’s just to reduce the fear a little bit. A calming voice will help.
      
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      December 15, 2021 6:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trouble is those hypnotised are jammed on one frequency – Jaspinda’s one
    
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    December 15, 2021 2:42pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Do you have someone close to you afflicted in this way?
      
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      December 15, 2021 6:48pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Probably be even less impressed when told it was more likely that the 10 year old would die from the vaccine than from Covid.
  
  I don’t get why people want to injure and harm children deliberately in order to provide no extra protection for the extreme elderly.
  
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  December 15, 2021 11:30am
- cjn
  
  Although to be fair, the family might be quite happy to give meeting the mother and mother-in-law a miss this year.. Hard to say.
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:38pm
cmm

Angry Andy Little said when the shit hits the fan they will send us pulse oximeters (like they did/do in the UK) for people to self monitor O2 levels at home.

If just 1% of people need these then that’s 50,000 pulse oximeters and 100,000 AAA cells. Has he ordered them yet or was it just bluster? If he has ordered them are they in NZ yet?

If you think there might be a need for a pulse oximeter in your future then I recommend not relying on the government and getting your own.
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December 15, 2021 8:34am
- [email protected]
  
  About $6.00 on AliExpress.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:41am
  - septic skeptic
    
    That’s about the same price you pay for a high end gaming PC from AliExpress ?
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:56am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, but a warning…
    
    I’m a bit of a pulse oximeter nerd and have a small collection here and have bought two different kinds from different vendors at aliexpress.
    
    Both worked fine and were accurate, and gave the same results as a $90+ job bought in NZ. But one broke very easily (on about the 5th use).
    
    When I stripped it there was a broken wire due to the wires being too short when it was built and snapping off at the hinge.
    
    No worries for me: fired up the soldering iron, added longer wires, but for most people that’s not an option.
    
    So if you do go the Aliexpress route then I suggest buying at least two – different models from different vendors. You’ll still be saving $80 over one you buy at a pharmacy. And if they both work, you have a back up – never a bad situation to be in.
    
    I would also avoid units under USD5 or so because these might be defective units being dumped.
    
    Here’s the one that broke and I would recommend avoiding it:
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003152068778.html
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:19am
- Tomtoddy
  
  I contacted Covid and within 3 or 4 days received a package that included an oximeter – quite an expensive one, brand new. I also got a heap of masks, PPE gowns (useless), anti-bacterial wipes, hand wash, and all free.
  
  I love this govt’s kindness.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:45am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Did you sell any of the gear?
    
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    December 15, 2021 5:09pm
- Nickc2
  
  Smoke signals from the Bee Hive are telling me they were on the same Purchase Order as the ICU Beds and Nurses.
  TKS Andy.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:50am
- kevn
  
  @cmm… Who remembers the laptops and modems being dished out last year? A hipkins edict.
  I wonder what happened to the many, many surplus items?
  In the same shed as the especially useless stab proof vests ordered years ago by police.
  
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  December 15, 2021 11:02am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Gone via TradeMe
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:17pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yup, we got a couple of oximeters a month ago. We already had the vitamin C, D, and the zinc. Still trying to source ivermectin. Any clues gratefully accepted.
  
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  December 15, 2021 2:56pm
  - mawm
    
    It will get stopped by customs. Any prescription medication requires a Drs prescription accompanying it to get through. Ivermectin is available in NZ but now requires a “special” public health Drs prescription, which will only be given for scabies and certain intestinal parasites. This is how Jacinda has cut off supply and interfered in the Dr-patient relationship.
    
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    December 15, 2021 4:57pm
    - tf78
      
      mawm, isn’t it also prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis?!
      
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      December 15, 2021 6:39pm
Tomtoddy

Dr Dennis Wesselbaum, a senior lecturer in the Department of Economics at the University of Otago has ripped into the govt over the proposed social unemployment insurance. Its worth a read.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dennis-wesselbaum-the-governments-next-great-blunder-social-unemployment-insurance/2C4ZLMVMWKQ3SXDQ3HCST7OV3Y/
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December 15, 2021 8:40am
- Paulus
  
  Amazing Dr Wesselbaum still has a job – he can expect the DCM shortly.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What about the SSIT (Social Security Income Tax) embedded in the income tax scales of 7.5%. ?
  This old chestnut surfaces periodically when the Govt or insurers want to set up another special fund to milk the taxpayers.
  Grant, Pooh Bah, must be feeling he is short of your money again.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:59am
- NoFax
  
  I would be more impressed with social unemployment insurance if it was to replace the unemployment benefit. Rather, the government is adding another tax onto people who if they wanted could get unemployment insurance.
  
  I have chosen to self insure and have money set aside if I were to lose my job.
  
  Rather, than the reform we need for Welfare it is another addition.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Who picks up the pieces when self insurance fails?
    Our present scheme works to provide a modest income for all but the upper levels of society. It’s modest in cost compared to an insurance scheme and separate accounts.
    How much bene’s get is redetermined from time to time so it it not a free for all.
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:49am
cmm

Two weeks ago Megan Woods was crowing about the 150MW solar farm that would power 30,000 houses in Christchurch.

Since her announcement there’s been almost exclusively cloudy weather with perhaps 10 hours of solid sunshine.

So approx 10 hours in the last two weeks those 30,000 households would have had power. The rest of the time it’s probably not even enough to run the pie warmers.
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December 15, 2021 8:48am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Even on cloudy days PV delivers about 10% of direct sunlight power.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:59am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yeah but thats on 3,000 households, not 30,000.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yer, but Labour do not comprehend numbers. Roving decimal point and all that shit
      
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      December 15, 2021 2:48pm
  - MCōs
    
    According to these people who sel the systems they produce 25%-45% electricity on cloudy days.
    Interestingly once the temperature gets over 25deg efficiency goes down.
    I should imagine if you installed a system on your roof in Wellington it would pay to write your name and address on each panel.
    https://www.lgenergy.co.nz/faq/buying-a-solar-system/what-happens-with-my-solar-system-at-night-in-cloudy-weather-or-during-rain
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:36am
    - cmm
      
      It depends on the amount of cloud in a “cloudy day”. Right now in Chch (thick cloud and rain) I would very much doubt 10%.
      
      … and of course 0 at night.
      
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      December 15, 2021 10:23am
      - RoboRob
        
        Yup, I’m in CHCH and I guarantee my solar is doing f all today 🙂
        
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        December 15, 2021 10:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Get out at night and shine a torch on it ……….
        
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        December 15, 2021 2:49pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Isn’t efficiency degraded when the Panels get dirty so don’t they need constant cleaning?
      Where do we put them when they are junked
      Aren’t they Toxic?
      Thx
      
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      December 15, 2021 11:49am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        We have them, we’re fully off grid. Wash them with warm soapy water at the end of winter and again at the end of autumn. Adds a couple of % to the efficiency. Panels last 30 years or more. Hopefully they have figured out a way to recycle them better when ours need replaced. But the pleasure of not depending on others for our power (or water) makes it all worthwhile.
        
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        December 15, 2021 3:03pm
      - cmm
        
        Clan. When you have a minute, tell us about your setup.
        
        Do you have batteries too? Are you powering everything off leccy or using gas etc for heating and cooking?
        
        There’s a panel recycling problem in California because the incentives have made it worthwhile for people to upgrade their 10 year old panels even though they’ve got at least another 10-15 years of life left in them. Nobody wants the old ones so they’re going in the landfill.
        
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        December 15, 2021 3:42pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s been similarly dull and wet in the Whanganui area too cmm. It’s also been unseasonable calm, so I don’t imagine the wind farm at Waipipi on the coast between Waverley and Patea has been churning out a lot of power.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:59am
  - RoboRob
    
    That’s the problem with most of these ‘green’ energy sources. They are great additional sources of energy but you still need a guaranteed minimum supply for when the weather don’t comply.
    
    You normally end up building much more generation than you need to avoid brown / black outs. Of if you are Labour you don’t and just have the black outs 🙂
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:12am
    - MCōs
      
      You’re just guessing.
      I have friend in Raumati with solar panels. Cost a few bob to install, but he thinks it’s marvelous.
      He’s an accountant so I think he figured it all out on his slide rule to see if it was going to save money & add value to his house. That was before property values went crazy.
      
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      December 15, 2021 9:45am
      - RoboRob
        
        Not sure if you replied to the right post. My post is about national generation not house hold solar panels.
        
        FYI I have solar too 🙂
        
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        December 15, 2021 10:55am
      - cmm
        
        MCos you’re entirely missing RoboRob’s point, but first let’s talk about your accountant mate.
        
        The only reasons it makes sense for your accountant mate are:
        * He does not have to produce power when the sun does not shine.
        * He’s being paid at retail electricity rates – not wholesale rates. This means he’s being subsidised by everyone around him – ie. not a sustainable business model. Ask him to do his calcs with wholesale rates then see if it still makes sense.
        
        Roborob’s main point is that PV and wind cannot provide power when you want them. Not even Cindy can demand that the sun shines or the wind blows.
        
        The technical term for that is dispatchability: how much generation can be turned on when you need it.
        
        Since PV and wind are not dispatchable generation they bring nothing to the table in terms of being able to meet peak demand. Thus if you want to add 200MW more generation and you’re adding 200MW of solar, then you also need to add 200MW of dispatchable generation too or you don’t increase your ability to service customers.
        
        NZ’s peak power demand is normally in winter somewhere between 6 and 8pm. Solar provide zero of that.
        
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        December 15, 2021 11:53am
  - rangitoto
    
    No worries, We can import plenty of coal.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:18am
- alloytoo
  
  A modular pebble bed reactor will product more than 90% rated power more than 90% of the time consistently for the lifetime of the reactor which double or more the lifetime of the solar farm. It will have much smaller environmental impact.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:53am
  - RoboRob
    
    People that believe climate change is a catastrophe / end of days phenomenon, should be pushing for the obvious solution that can be implemented right now. Nuclear power.
    However the same people hate Nuclear and so would rather the world ended. Crazy.
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Solar farms are obsolete.
  Another LENR commercial candidate underway–this time out of Japan.
  https://www.cleanplanet.co.jp/en/science/
  
  Now the principles have been established the race to the market is all on.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:03am
  - cmm
    
    K’mon Kev… Welcome to the real world where energy doesn’t come for free.
    
    What happened to the other stuff you were so sure about 6 months ago? And again 6 months before that?
    
    Did Big Oil get to them and have them eliminated?
    
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    December 15, 2021 3:47pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    What is the hydrogen being fused into? Is there any evidence of this ash (and associated radiation and or is it all hydrinos and other magic.
    
    It’s easy to do an unimpeachable incontrovertible demonstration – and a positive result would earn the researchers Billions. Ask yourself (honestly) why they’re not doing so.
    
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    December 15, 2021 5:53pm
- curry4me
  
  cmm: Oh, no!!!! Quick, crash build a coal fired power station in Wigram. Can’t have the pie warmer down for any length of time! Meanwhile, deisel generators for all.
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:46pm
- Nickc2
  
  Megan Woods’ Ph.D. is in NZ history, not common sense!
  
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  December 15, 2021 1:48pm
  - cmm
    
    I thought is was in Feminist History.
    
    I can understand her rejecting logic and all those terrible sums and such as part of the patriarchal suppression of more liberated thought.
    
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    December 15, 2021 3:49pm
- [email protected]
  
  Three years ago the wife and I decided to put a 5.3 Kw solar array on our roof. It cost $13,500 total including the inverter and inspections/ certifications.
  
  It has been the best investment we’ve ever made. The money in the bank would have returned less than 3% and been taxed. The solar array is returning us 8% untaxed and will increase the value of our property when we sell.
  
  We are “grid tied” so draw energy from the grid at night or when the sun is not supplying our needs. When the sun supplies more than we can use the electric company pays us for the excess which goes back into the grid.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:36pm
krazykiwi

A paper in theBJM – Covid-19: Children born during the pandemic score lower on cognitive tests, study finds

Children born during the pandemic score markedly lower on standard measures of verbal, motor, and overall cognitive ability, US researchers have found.

In a longitudinal study of 672 children from Rhode Island that has run since 2011, those born after the pandemic began showed results on the Mullen scales of early learning that corresponded to an average IQ score of 78, a drop of 22 points from the average of previous cohorts.

The study, which was funded by the US National Institutes of Health is awaiting peer review before publication in JAMA Pediatrics. But a preprint copy is available online.

The researchers have largely ruled out a direct effect of the virus, as mothers or children with a history of testing positive for covid-19 were excluded from the analysis. Instead, the authors say, reduced interaction with parents and less outdoor exercise are likely culprits, along with effects that occurred during pregnancy.

Other research has hinted at behavioural effects in children born during the pandemic, including a recent study from Italy

Children born in 2019 did not experience a decline in development scores during the pandemic. “Their trajectories of maturation were unaltered,” said lead author of the longitudinal study and paediatrician Sean Deoni of Brown University. “They seemed to be doing alright. It’s really affecting those born during the pandemic, whether through transference from their mother, what she’s experiencing during late term pregnancy, or during those crucial earliest months after birth.”

Bio-tyrants like Ardern are quite literally killing off the future’s of these children.
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December 15, 2021 8:48am
- Spam
  
  No, I think it’s unfair to blame lockdowns. It’s much more likely to be Climate Change.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:58am
- Lucia Maria
  
  That’s a massive drop. An IQ of 78 means borderline impaired according to this website: https://researchmaniacs.com/IQ-Score/Is-78-a-good-IQ.html
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:41am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, the scale doesn’t feel right. But the neurocognitive impacts of seeing faces masked and seeing fewer humans must have impacted brain development. These infants will be a disadvantaged cohort for their entire lives. They will be studied, and hopefully the study result will see future leaders resist the draconian NPI’s of their predecessors.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:47am
  - cmm
    
    IQ 78 is approximately the average IQ in South Africa.
    
    Let that sink in.
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:43am
    - mawm
      
      It was higher when I lived there.
      
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      December 15, 2021 2:09pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Historically tropical cultures often exhibit K-type reproductive strategies that emphasize quantity of kids over a high investment in child rearing/education. Frequently dad wasn’t much involved in child rearing. Sensible when food is easy to grow but your population is subject to frequent overpopulation leading to famine or war wiping out large numbers of people (fastest breeders win!). Puts a premium on dogged survival toughness, willingness to kill the competition and martial prowess.
      
      Colder climates tended more towards R type reproductive strategies, fewer kids with tougher year in year out survival challenges (long winters requiring planning cooperation and lots of food storage) much greater investment in building their skills. Dads historically critical to survival.
      
      Different environments lead to different evolutionary pressures that will be borne out in cultural and genetically determined differences in average behaviours and other body and brain attributes.
      
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      December 15, 2021 6:12pm
- cmm
  
  I’d put my usual bet of 50 cents and a servo pie on it being due to masks.
  
  We learn different stuff in different stages of development. During babyhood a lot of learning is around facial recognition and social cues (eg recognising facial expressions). As the baby learns what different facial expressions mean they use that to interpret the world (eg. mum is smiling so she must be happy with what is happening; mum looks frightened – danger, danger).
  
  That early use of the brain’s classification engine is early training/exercise to develop it for more complex tasks later in life.
  
  Thus masks wipe out a whole important phase of childhood development.
  
  The important bit is whether or not this is long lasting. Humans are amazingly adaptable, so I hope they can overcome this poor start off.
  
  All speculation, but I’d put my usual bet on it.
  
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  December 15, 2021 11:42am
Maggie Pie

And in case you missed it 😀

Caller to ZB tells Kerre …..
‘we should all be very scared of the un-vaxxed’

Then Kerre at her belligerent best…..
“For gods sake Janine you’re full of it! You Sad Pathetic Creature!!”

https://twitter.com/DaseinDagg/status/1470530385901604866
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December 15, 2021 8:52am
krazykiwi

The more they vaccinate, the higher the overall rate of infection.

This is now painfully clear, but ignored by the those who are supposed to protect us.
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December 15, 2021 8:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Was it ignored?
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:05am
Tony Stuart

Goodness; look what happened when the Police decided to vet the people Hone Harawira was planning to use at his roadblocks:

Former Māori Party MP Hone Harawira is upset at the police, claiming they vetted members of his iwi-led checkpoint group Tai Tokerau Border Control ahead of the Northland boundary coming into effect.
Harawira told RNZ’s Morning Report the vetting happened at the last minute, saying it “really kicked us in the ass”.

“Our people, over the last 18-20 months, have included bus drivers, gang members, doctors, lawyers, mothers, teachers – all sorts of people. Now, all of a sudden at the last minute, it got dropped on us that everyone had to be vetted.”

Tai Tokerau Border Control is assisting the police in stopping vehicles to check COVID-19 vaccine passes or proof of a negative test at Northland’s checkpoints.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/upset-hone-harawira-claims-police-vetted-iwi-led-checkpoint-group-members.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Back to the drawing board, eh Hone?
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December 15, 2021 8:56am
- Spam
  
  I have had to be vetted to help out at my daughters’ school. Get over yourself, Hone.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:59am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’ve had to be vetted for work and for Rotary. It’s just a part of life these days. What it does show however is that it’s just as well that the Police, not Tai Tokerau Border Control, control these checkpoints.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:04am
- alex Masterley
  
  Cant say that I am surprised. And it doesnt surprise that lots of the volunteers were found wanting!
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:02am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Has Tony H done his job for once Alex? – I’m almost impressed.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:27am
- Albert_Ross
  
  He is, however, quite right that the decision to require vetting should have been taken months ago.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:16am
  - alex Masterley
    
    There wasnt a process for appointing or vetting volunteers doing things at inspection points until the amending act last week which enabled the appointment of Maori Wardens, Iwi representatives etc.
    Typical government palying catch up.
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:43am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Can they catch Hone too?
      
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      December 15, 2021 10:07am
- Ehlana
  
  The only fault I find with the Police in this is that no-one should ever have been permitted to stop and “check” on their fellow New Zealanders without being vetted by the Police. And formally trained in their responsibilities and the rights of citizens.
  You know, like they do at Police College.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:23am
- graham
  
  Yep, vetting is just part of normal everyday life. I’ve had to be vetted in the past for working on NZDF IT systems, my daughter had to be vetted for a part-time job whe had some years back as swimming instructor working with children, my wife had to be vetted recently for supervising NCEA exams.
  
  And the fact that Hone is complaining about having to “stand down about half of our people”, one might think it’s a damn good job they HAVE been vetted. Half of the people Hone Harawira wanted to man roadblocks have had to be “stood down”, presumably because of issues brought to light during the vetting.
  
  And Kelvin Davis reckons it’s racist to refer to them as thugs …
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:25am
  - cmm
    
    Perhaps there was some misunderstanding: those with experience in stand over now need to stand down.
    
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    December 15, 2021 3:55pm
- cmm
  
  “Our people, over the last 18-20 months, have included bus drivers, gang members, doctors, lawyers,…”
  
  I’ll bet there were far fewer bus drivers, doctors, lawyers than gang members and that therein lies the problem: take out the gang members and other nasties and they’re down to a small fraction of what they were.
  
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  December 15, 2021 3:53pm
dime

Our libraries have meetings on “decolonising the library service” and “indiginising libraries”.

Why is it OK for these assholes to tear down my culture? when did the public get a say on that??

I dont recall the “great library of ekatahangata” or the like when my ancestors rocked up here!?!

i put a christmas movie on last night for the youngans.. cartoon thing. brand new. Santas black..

why is OK to blackwash my culture?

the only defence is “well you do it to us”.. ya know, the old two wrongs make a right thing..
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December 15, 2021 9:09am
- alex Masterley
  
  There wasnt a library service or even an indigenous library service before the arrival of the Europeans.
  So if the decolonisers want to decolonise then simply shut it down.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:45am
  - alloytoo
    
    Couldn’t the decolonisers simply not go to the library? Or a bookstore.
    
    Works for me.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:01am
    - cmm
      
      No chance of that. Most of the wokesters working in libraries ARE the decoloniser types.
      
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      December 15, 2021 3:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    Bit like what the Vandals are doing with our national book collection.
    
    Weed out scores of thousands of titles that represent Western culture to make vast space for a relatively tiny number of Maori, Pacifica, and Woke titles.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:24am
  - oldfella
    
    Alex, I thought before the Europeans arrived, Maori just downloaded e-books from their version of the Internet.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:57am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They could listen to them via the winds in the raupo.
      
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      December 15, 2021 3:52pm
Yvette

Māori co-governance talks fall victim to Covid-19
The Government’s consultation with Māori on a draft United Nations Declaration Plan hit a roadblock this year and has been pushed out by months. It moves the whole timeline closer to the 2023 election and could make Māori co-governance an election issue, writes political editor Jo Moir.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/maori-co-governance-talks-another-covid-19-victim

The rest of this article fades into a subscription wall, which I do not afford, but did we know Māori co-governance talks are – well, were – taking place?
Or when this is pointed out, will Jacinda and Willie and Nanaia will say, “We told you so when covid caused us to postpone them”

Again – and it is so tiring, and exasperating to do it – we allude to honesty, transparency and integrity, and We Are Us
– in equality, one supposes, but we aren’t.
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December 15, 2021 9:16am
- Ehlana
  
  It’s all about our response to that UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People, apparently. The one David Seymour outed the government on a while back, which seems to be, at least in Labour’s vision, a matter of establishing separate, race-based representation and administration in areas like local government, health and water.
  
  That vision seems to be that the Government and iwi leaders will sort it out and they’ll let you know later what they have decided.
  
  Aren’t you grateful for all this Government does for you?
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How many of Our Dear PM’s ministers are asleep at the wheel?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018824608/minister-believes-msd-should-have-told-her-about-paying-inflated-rents-for-emergency-accomodation

How many of Our Dear PM’s ministers have misled Parliament?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/emergency-housing-police-actively-gathering-temporary-accommodation-crime-data-despite-insisting-they-re-not.html
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December 15, 2021 9:19am
- alloytoo
  
  Asleep at the wheel? How many are licensed to drive?
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:55am
Maggie Pie

Still GAGGING from yesterdays post 🙁

In keeping with tradition, TV1 Breakfast host John Campbell presents ‘Christmas Gifts’ to both the PM & Leader-of-the-Opposition.

For Jacinda….A silver Tiara with the word BRIDE emblazoned on top, and a half- bottle of Moet Champagne.

For Christopher…..A copy Judith’s book ‘Pull No Punches’ and Simon’s book ‘National Identity’

Can’t find the link, but Campbell sits there laughing & dribbling at his own joke for about 5 minutes.
Honestly, what a sad pathetic vagina he is.

SHEESH!!
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December 15, 2021 9:22am
- Ehlana
  
  Maggie, I don’t believe he’s ever had a vagina. Please don’t lump him in with those who do.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:44am
  - Yvette
    
    And don’t call him a “dick”, because that shouldn’t become his brain until he is about twelve years of age or thirteen or so, and I am not sure he has reached that change of life yet.
    Merde, that is nasty – but he may deserve it
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:21am
  - Bob
    
    Vagina’s are respected and useful Maggie; not so much the same can be said for Campbell!
    
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    December 15, 2021 12:11pm
- mandk
  
  I think Helen Clarke was being very kind when she described him as a sanctimonious creep.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  OMG…here it is just popped up on twitter.
  
  https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1470845766864613378
  
  (I think Chris should do what Seymour has and refuse to go on the show)
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:55am
lifesgood

There has been a huge upsurge in crime in my suburb over the last few months. Where are the cops? Oh, that’s right, wasting their time manning borders. Why weren’t the forces called in to do that job and let the cops get on with catching the violent thugs and thieves infesting our streets.
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December 15, 2021 9:27am
- Bob
  
  Why weren’t the forces……
  The Forces represent discipline and resposibility; two qualities that are anathema to the Marxist Labourites.
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:09pm
Cassandra

After vetting half of Harawira’s volunteers were disqualified. What sort of vetting? “Are you a member of a criminal organization ie a gang?”. “Do you have a criminal record?”. “Are you currently being treated for drug addiction?”. “Are you currently on parole?”. Would it be that sort of vetting?
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December 15, 2021 9:30am
- westernScientest
  
  maybe they just check if the names are on their list of current arrest warrants?
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:04am
- mandk
  
  Nah, nowadays the cops only vet people for making statements critical of the government.
  
  That and other types of wrong think.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:12am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/revealed-flawed-chipseal-behind-latest-transmission-gully-delay/65ORTKE35WVBRR7IT4YZ7W7REY/

When will transmission gully open? Maybe large parts need re-surfacing? Who knows? It sounds like the rush to open for xmas may now mean that the road is screwed.
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December 15, 2021 9:32am
Tony Stuart

The Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr doesn’t just have a problem with almost all of his senior staff leaving. He’s had to tell the Finance and Expenditure Committee this morning that inflation is expected to go above 5%, and that the official cash rate will need to be hiked to above the ‘neutral rate’.

Stand by for interest rates north of 8% in 2022, which wall almost certainly lead to further business casualties, increasing unemployment and widespread mortgagee sales for those who have borrowed to the limit of their ability to pay at current interest rates. We’re in for a very hard landing.
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December 15, 2021 9:35am
- Paulus
  
  Understand that many senior Reserve Bank staff are leaving/left – presumably so they can be replaced by Robertson’s chosen people with his/Cindy’s attitudes.
  
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  December 15, 2021 9:42am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Is he talking about the negative GDP expected tomorrow? – oh dear – sh*t must be hitting the fan.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:01am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Treasury is forecasting the September quarter GDP to be as high as -7%. That’s hardly surprising given we went into L4 lockdown halfway through the quarter. Bank economists however are predicting a number between -3 and -5%.
    
    What’s a worry though is that the lockdown extended well into the December quarter, and in Auckland’s case, many businesses have only just started operating in December. If the December quarter GDP figure is also prefaced with a minus sign, then officially we are in a recession; two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. It will be Robertson’s second recession, in two years. That’s certainly in contradiction to his rose-tinted view of the economy.
    
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    December 15, 2021 10:12am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      I guess if the employment bit of this definition was met –
      “persistent high inflation combined with high unemployment and stagnant demand in a country’s economy.”
      I’d know what to call our imminent economic condition having seen it once in my life – but it doesn’t ( on paper anyway).
      
      Guess Robo might create some new economic terminology. Not bad for uni student association poli ! 🙂
      
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      December 15, 2021 10:51am
    - Bob
      
      Ah yes Stuart…. second recession, in two years. but look at this through Robo’s experienced eyes/mindset.
      He has achieved a consistent result for two years running; the only consistent achievement Labour have had in FOUR YEARS OF MISMANAGEMENT!
      
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      December 15, 2021 12:03pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Doesn’t the gobblement prefer the MBIE softer forecasts? Are there any staff left in Treasury?
      
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      December 15, 2021 3:54pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I didn’t know his staff were leaving. Just as well they have the tree-god to guide us along the path back to prosperity and 2% inflation then.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:06am
- Jack5
  
  Yep, nasty times coming.
  
  Home-mortgage foreclosures, tears, small-business failures, perhaps family farms, too.
  
  The Ardern PR Army will try to have the subsidised-or-owned news media turn public anger away from Government mismanagement and on to bankers. Or perhaps, they might offer Adrian Orr as a sacrificial penance.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The high inflation and interest rates are undoubtedly the fault of those selfish, uncaring narcissists who keep refusing to be jabbed. //
    
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    December 15, 2021 3:17pm
  - Jack5
    
    Talking of Adrian Orr, Michael Reddell on his blog looks at today’s fronting up by Orr to Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee.
    
    Orr’s staffing turnover features.
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2021/12/15/the-reserve-bank-appears-underwhelming/
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:14pm
- Raphael
  
  My father has a PhD in Economics. Repeating his opinion of Orr would get me permabanned.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:40am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I don’t have a doctorate in economics, but my reading of this morning’s effort by Adrian Orr suggests that there is a possibility that he is becoming reckless with the truth.
    
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    December 15, 2021 11:03am
- Over Taxed Worker
  
  Probably gone to NSW where they want to save the economy rather than shaft the next generation.
  
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  December 15, 2021 7:33pm
Jack5

A topic for our sea-going posters ..

Are choked international supply chains an indication that container ships have got too big?

Wired magazine suggests this, with about 57 container ships backed up waiting to berth at Los Angeles.

The big lines account for about 85 per cent of worl container traffic, and they have moved into ever-bigger ships.

The problem is that they cannot now be diverted to the many ports that cannot be accessed by the “mega” container ships.

I think you can usually read one article at Wired before you hit the pay wall:

https://www.wired.com/story/supply-chain-shipping-logistics/
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December 15, 2021 9:57am
- krazykiwi
  
  It would be interesting to see container clearance rates at ports – now vs then. If worker numbers have reduced as a result of vaxx mandates then this would impact vessel turnaround times, a bit like ice/snow/strikes do at airports.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:32am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Jack5
  
  The accountants and number crunchers have taken over shipping as they have many other industries.
  
  Look if we build a 13k box vessel it will cost y dollars per box to ship. Then a few years later “Let’s build an 18k box vessel and now it cost z dollars per box to ship.”
  
  Then the ports have to dig deeper and deeper channels and supply larger and larger cranes and equipment.
  
  These MEGA ships can only get into a few ports so any problem with delays means that they cannot divert to another port. They have caused this problem.
  
  Now Amazon is chartering in non container ships and modifying them and going into smaller ports and discharging their cargoes there. Cost a few dollars per box more but the cargo is delivered.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:46am
  - Jack5
    
    That’s interesting, thanks FightingTemeraire. Especially with our ports either thinkingof dredging to take bigger ships, or already having done this.
    
    Someone mentioned previously that big container ships might not be best for our exports. There’s a trade-off between freight costs and having to store product longer before shipping.
    
    Amazon looks to be on to it. Perhaps the world also needs an industrialist like Henry Kaiser, who, with others’ shipyards also using his techniques, built about 2,750 Liberty (cargo) ships in World War 2, and about 120 escort-size aircraft carriers. Would the Allies have won without all these vessels?
    
    Instead of Kaiser carriers and Liberty freighters, small Kaiser container ships?
    
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    December 15, 2021 12:21pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Jack5
      
      Problem is the manning of the ships, there arent enough seafarers and how many will stay after being stuck at sea for a long time owing to CV 19.
      
      NZ can only take up to 7k box ships and Aus not much bigger and many of these companies run on hubbing. Cargo from here to Singapore discharge then loaded on to another ship.
      
      Get to Europe and likewise. How do ports handle the amount of cargo when each ship discharges/loads 6-7 k boxes per port!!!
      
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      December 15, 2021 2:20pm
Surely Knott

Medical council suspends doctors for being antivax. (when they have simply question this new technology vax ) So we now have found that it is not your doctor who determines your treatment it is the government and the medical council.

Currently some doctors won’t see patients in person as they are too scared of covid, and some will only see vaccinated patients and they still have jobs. But the anti*this*vax doctors who were happy to go to work can’t work?!? Shouldnt patients be allowed to choose to see antithisvax doctors. They are paying after all.
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December 15, 2021 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  SK, what pussies some doctors are. The chance of a dentist catching some bug is far higher than a masked and distanced doctor. Funny, before the covid terror my doctor was anti any fashionable vaccine (eg winter flu and herpes) as he thought the body has its own defences.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:28am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Means that no doctor currently practicing can be trusted on the vax; because whatever their opinion, they have to tow the party line or lose their job.
  
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  December 15, 2021 10:45am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Read this:
  
  https://www.mcnz.org.nz/about-us/what-we-do/
  
  particularly this bit:
  Independent from Government
  The best way to protect your rights as a patient is for us to be independent from both doctors and the Government.
  
  Because we are independent and focussed on what’s best for the public, you can trust we:
  
  – put patient health and safety first
  – promote and encourage good medical practice
  – promote fairness and equality, and value diversity
  – do our job fairly and follow principles of consistency transparency and balance fairly;
  
  Reads like a Tui ad to me.
  
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  December 15, 2021 11:12am
WaveyDavey

Looks like Seymour was correct in using the word “thugs” then
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December 15, 2021 10:07am
Lee C

Forgive teh double posting but there is plenty to debate here! https://www.facebook.com/dr.zia.nix/posts/10157812366842804
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December 15, 2021 10:15am
- H. Upmann
  
  Excellent.
  Who is this guy?
  
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  December 15, 2021 2:17pm
bythesea

great cartoon image on zerohedge today:

https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/smash_and_grab-government.jpg?itok=GR2bXOkV

One for the ages.
Can anyone do a NZ version – with Cindy and Labour in the middle

The full zerohedge article is here
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/big-governments-smash-grab
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December 15, 2021 10:21am
JibberJabber

The Eagles know what’s up…
https://twitter.com/snapoff/status/1470609953228345351

Relax said the PM
We’ve a program to deceive
We can jab you any time you like
And you can never leave
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December 15, 2021 10:39am
Fletch

Awww, look at this. Anti vaxxers are “damaging Reefton” because they are stepping down from jobs they are no longer allowed to do and there is no one to man the tearooms, the ambulances, hotels etc –

The irrational attitude of anti-vaxxers is damaging Reefton’s hospitality, health services and reputation, Inangahua Community Board chairman John Bougen says. Bougen told Tuesday’s board meeting that Covid-19 vaccination statistics show Buller is the worst performing district on the West Coast, largely because of vaccine refuseniks in Inangahua.

… abridged

“It is an appalling state of affairs and I just hope and pray that at some point sense will prevail and people will go and get at least one jab so that we can get through January, and if they don’t, then Reefton will suffer.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/anti-vaxxers-are-damaging-reefton-community-board-chair-says/AZHJPLIB2M3CGMIR7HYYECFN2M/

How about putting blame where it is deserved? On the govt, not on people exercising their human right not to undergo a medical procedure they do not want to. If he asked, he would find that the unvaxxed did not want to step down from their jobs but were forced to by these mandates.
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December 15, 2021 11:02am
- graham
  
  Inangahua Community Board chairman John Bougen should be pointed to this article, where just 15 months ago people who claimed that everyone in New Zealand would HAVE to be vaccinated were labelled as “conspiracy theorists” – and the claims were “rubbished” by the Government.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-confident-enough-kiwis-will-get-covid-19-vaccine-for-herd-immunity-without-being-forced-to.html
  
  Furthermore, the Prime Minister of New Zealand, Jacinda Ardern, stated that:
  
  (a) there would be be no forced vaccinations
  (b) those who choose to opt-out won’t face any penalties at all
  
  “No, and we haven’t for any vaccination in New Zealand applied penalties in that way,” Ardern told The AM Show, after being asked if there might be tax penalties or other sanctions for refusing a COVID-19 vaccine.
  
  So are people who believed Jacinda Ardern when she spread this misinformation at fault?
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:01pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Vaccination in NZ has been largely unlawful and all the vacc teams members etc could be sued as individual informed consent has not been possible in most cases.
    
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    December 15, 2021 4:03pm
- cmm
  
  It is the worst sort of Untermenching of the people to call them “antivaxxers”.
  
  Yes, certainly there are some REAL antivaxxers and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Reefton area has more than its fair share of those, but I expect the majority of the people who are refusing the CV19 “vaccine” are not at all anti-vax but rather are opposed to the one-size-fits-all policies and the draconian coercion.
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:07pm
Maggie Pie

Is it just me…..or does anyone else find this a tad confusing?

“When introducing yourself in Maori, the thing to remember is, backwards is forwards and forwards is backwards”

– Radio Rhema.
Lessons in Te Reo. 11am Wednesdays.
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December 15, 2021 12:06pm
- cmm
  
  That explains why making progress is not really making progress…
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As Casca said to Cassius:
  “It was Greek to me”
  
  but sure seems double Dutch.
  
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  December 15, 2021 12:57pm
- Fletch
  
  Speak like Yoda, you must…
  
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  December 15, 2021 1:14pm
JibberJabber

Is Cactus Kate the only real journalist in NZ?
And she’s not even a “journalist”.
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/12/but-rockin-rod-jackson-was-all-green-on.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email

“New Zealand should probably never go to green”.

Rockin’ Rod Jackson on 3rd December was at opening night for Headquarters in Auckland. All green for GO.
I am sorry Rockin’ Rod, stop going on with your mates on Red Radio making yourself all sweetness and light that you’ve carefully and conservatively only just gone to a cafe “the other day”.

When the very day within hours that bars and restaurants were allowed to open you were a man of the people enjoying getting on the piss in a completely fully booked bar area of a restaurant.

Leo Molloy’s joint.

Hypocrite.
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December 15, 2021 12:22pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxgo1w8C18
Vaccine pass system disrupted by heavy traffic again on Tuesday.

South Koreans experienced disruptions again today… in the country’s digital vaccine pass system just the second day the system was in force despite the addition of more servers to handle heavy traffic. The KDCA said today that when the service is disrupted, businesses and their customers will not face fines… for not being able to follow the rules. From this week, proof of vaccination or a negative test result is required to get into most public facilities, including restaurants. Meanwhile, plans are in the works for public clinics to send staff to schools in Seoul… starting next week… to administer vaccines to those who want them… to stop the virus spreading among students; more than two thousand of whom have tested positive in the past week. [0:40.]
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December 15, 2021 12:23pm
- MCōs
  
  South Korea?
  
  That’s not even in our hemisphere.
  
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  December 15, 2021 5:54pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUI-B7q9EU
Today they will betray us!
MPs will commence their proceeding in the House of Commons after 12:30 this afternoon. Where they build a bonfire of English freedoms and set light to them.
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December 15, 2021 12:24pm
- MCōs
  
  What do you mean ‘us’?
  
  Whatever goes on in the House of Commons is their look out, not ours.
  Even if they declare a republic QEII is still our Head of State.
  
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  December 15, 2021 5:49pm
nathie

Good grief, I just heard Labour Govt Minister Damian O’Connor defend the CCP on ZB’s The Country!

In essence he was asked why little ol’ NZ has to make “climate change” sacrifices to its economy when the CCP marches with their economy building efforts paying no regard to such matters … and basically O’Connor defended their (lack of) effort!

Then he more or less denies there is an issue with farm to carbon/tree conversion … and gets called out by ZB’s hosts for that and other nonsense!

Wait till the interview/audio goes on-line, should be a hoot!
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December 15, 2021 12:44pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Apparently JA had an hour long conversation with their leader recently. Would love to know what was discussed.
  
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  December 15, 2021 1:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So would Xi
    
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    December 15, 2021 3:19pm
Fletch

All 3 Auckland DHBs reach 90% vaccination rate on the day the borders open.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/14/all-three-auckland-dhbs-reach-90-per-cent-vaccination-rate/

Quite a coincidence, eh? ?
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December 15, 2021 1:13pm
- Batman
  
  Well the date was set based on estimates of when Auckland would reach 90, so they’ve got a bit lucky and it happens to be the same day.
  
  Or, the govt is useless and only just managed to do it on the day and not ahead of time!
  
  Pick your answer of choice haha.
  
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  December 15, 2021 1:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So the manufactured data fitted the pre determined model result again? Good job!
    
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    December 15, 2021 3:21pm
- Paulus
  
  90% of the three Auckland DHBs and Medically Registered only – what about the considerable numbers of unregistered people including overstayers.
  Have seen comment at over 140,000 unregistered.
  So cannot be 90% – 90% 0f 90%= 81%.
  
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  December 15, 2021 1:51pm
- MCōs
  
  So Mark Mitchell owes Stuart Nash a case of wine.
  
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  December 15, 2021 5:41pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The only reason we hit 90%, eh
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Fabulous..
  Our Dear PM can announce her success in Parliament.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300478813/jacinda-ardern-says-country-has-hit-90-per-cent-fully-vaccinated-and-bloody-deserves-a-holiday-in-final-speech-of-the-year
  
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  December 15, 2021 7:04pm
Cinematic

Today NSW freed itself almost entirely of covid restrictions. At a substantially lower vaccinated rate than Auckland.

Never forget this government stole our freedom without medical cause and withheld it for far longer than necessary. Evil.
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December 15, 2021 1:20pm
- MCōs
  
  NSW also has has about ten times the infection rate of NZ.
  They are taking a different approach.
  
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  December 15, 2021 5:39pm
  - tf78
    
    MCos – it’s called the grown up’s approach.
    
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    December 15, 2021 8:30pm
Its only I

So the police issued northland checkpoint stickers to taxis?

Oh dear.

That’s just funny.

Probably why everytime I see the PM on TV all I hear is a Beavis and Butt-Head skit and turn off. Mentioning who the gummy one reminds me of would be rude though wouldn’t it?
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December 15, 2021 1:33pm
I remember when

Newshub: Government spending is more [than] the tax intake and inflation will continue to grow:
Lovely picture of Nash, Robertson and Jacinda, with Jacinda having a beaming smile.
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December 15, 2021 1:46pm
I remember when

AP News: 30, June, 2021:
“Nearly all Covid deaths in US are now among the unvaccinated.”
“This story was first published on June 24, 2021.
It was updated on 29th June, 2021, to correct the number of hospital admission to more than 107,000, not 853,000, and the percentage of hospitalized who have been vaccinated to 1.1%, not 0.1%.”
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December 15, 2021 1:50pm
I remember when

Fifteen New Cases in Eltham to be added to case figures tomorrow.
Just when the Bowl of Brooklands looked like it might be one of the few entertainment holdouts.
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December 15, 2021 2:01pm
- sooty
  
  Will womad be canned?
  
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  December 15, 2021 6:17pm
Yvette

Newshub headline –
‘Kicked us in the ass’: Harawira says last-minute police decision to vet checkpoint members means half stood down

alternate headline (so far unused) –
Half of Harawira chosen bus drivers, gang members, doctors, lawyers, mothers vetted by Police as unsuitable.

And this one is shorter, and gives more accurate information – no one was kicked in the arse. But perhaps should have been
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December 15, 2021 2:26pm
shogun

Something doesn’t line up here.

I have been tracking data provided by the ministry of health press releases.

As of December 15, there are a reported 6,861 active cases in the community, 6,459 of which are in Auckland.

Tracking the cases reported over the 28 days Nov 18 – Dec 15, there have been a recorded 3831 cases in NZ, 3252 of which were in Auckland.

Acknowledging the stated definition of recovered is people who had the virus, where at least 10 days have passed since their symptoms started and they have not had symptoms for 72 hours, and they have been cleared by the health professional responsible for their monitoring,” how is it possible that active case counts have not stayed consistent with reported cases over the last 28 days?

I have just raised this with the Ministry of Health via email. I await their response.
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December 15, 2021 3:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This Fauci is donkey deep in corruption. Fact checkers in overdrive.
https://redrightdaily.com/tucker-glenn-beck-politifact-video/
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December 15, 2021 3:25pm
Prince

The ‘diverse’ cartoon team on Stuff is at it again today attacking Nick Smith.
I’m not sharing the link as it’s disgusting – think that statue that a mad Greenie had all over the media a few years ago.
Imagine the outrage if Stuff published a cartoon of Ardern as a dominatrix dealing to NZ in a lock up.
Or Robertson holding a debt-sized dildo to be inserted into NZ youth.
Or Mahuta squatting, about to release 3 Waters of her own over ratepayers.

The possibilities are endless, but you won’t see any cartoon critical of their pay-masters on Stuff.
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December 15, 2021 3:41pm
- Its only I
  
  Mental health issues manifest themselves in all sorts of ways, even allowing for a lefties propensity to prolong adolescence for as long as possible this seems extreme.
  Its a sad cry for help.
  
  The interesting thing about Stuff is they seem to be absolutely incapable of slowing their preferred parties slide in the polls no matter how much dirty politics they indulge in.
  In fact stuff is so formulaic we have a running bet in the office on who, of about 4 stuff journalists, will write the sat/Sunday click bait anti national BS and at what comment numbers stuff will shut it down especially if stuffs 5 or so Labour trolls cant keep up with the growing hate for this gov.
  
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  December 15, 2021 4:16pm
Warren

Who is Grant Robertson trying to kid when talking about how our economy is performing and how our unemployment rate will drop to 3.1%.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/grant-robertsons-6b-christmas-present/ZLZOUH23C6OCLTKXADEDWUZZWM/
It’s time The Government and Treasury gave our population the correct figure not what they expect because it’s not them that are being loaded with debt that future generations will have to pay back.
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December 15, 2021 4:12pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  How the economy can be booming when:
  
  Our largest earner of Forex, the Tourism industry, is on its knees and 72k workers are out of work.
  
  When 2/3rds of our foreign students are not here
  
  When our largest city has been closed for 3 months
  
  Our horticulture industry is crying out for workers
  
  And Grunter is telling us all is A OK!!!
  
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  December 15, 2021 7:31pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Because he’s not been out of Wellington recently?
    
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    December 15, 2021 9:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe has colonoscopy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMXaykYmF0
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December 15, 2021 4:26pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, I watced a doco on how an ailing King George V was given two fatal injections by a doctor who apparently wanted the death to make the morning papers.
  Just saying.
  
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  December 15, 2021 5:06pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    This has been around for years. I can Believe it though.
    
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    December 15, 2021 7:27pm
Maggie Pie

Just opened the oven to baste the honey & soy Duck.
Saw this recipe and couldn’t help but think how many residents of Wuhan went to the Wet-Market this morning to get a few Bats.

https://grouprecipes.com/52476/bat-soup.html
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December 15, 2021 5:11pm
Ed Snack

An interesting read of a study. Inline with other items I’ve read. Brief summary is that by studying all cause mortality and vaccination data, the conclusion is that the vaccination risks outweigh the benefits for children, young adults, and people with a prior infection of Covid. Also concludes that the VAERS system in the US records around 5% of actual vaccine adverse events.

Finishes by recommending that further study is urgently warranted, something that I could not disagree with except to note that it is unlikely to happen as the results are simply too inconvenient for many.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_risk
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December 15, 2021 5:19pm
fernglas

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/14/omicron-less-severe-covid-delta-variant-two-vaccine-jabs-give/
It’s behind a paywall, but in essence, it reports a South African study which shows that the rate of admission to ICU of hospitalised Omicron patients is about 5%, that the rate of hospitalisation is about 30% less, and of 178,000 Omicron cases, no-one (that’s not one person) died.
But Baker and Plank want the borders to remain closed.
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  fernglas, if they don’t have a ‘pandemic’ they’ve got nothing.
  
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