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NeverMindTheBollocks

I see Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted & faces 65 years in gaol. A few thoughts:
* Clearly guilty of creepy behaviour
* Some 16 year old girls know exactly what they were doing
* Those former 16 year old girls have now strengthened their claim on Epstein’s estate
* Where were their parents in all of this?
* 65 years is just ridiculous
* Americans are always happy to bash foreigners with their legal system (which is why I am ambivalent about Kim Dot Com being sent to face American justice)

The saddest thing is that Ghislaine loved Epstein and once she got too old for his taste, could only show it by procuring young girls for him.

In NZ, Ghislaine would be surrounded by feminists proclaiming her to be a victim of toxic masculinity. So, there is that.
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December 31, 2021 8:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  There’s a meme doing the rounds this morning of a loved-up Epstein and Maxwell snuggled up on the deck of a cabin with the words:
  
  Love is – finishing each other’s sentences…
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:13am
  - Biscuit
    
    Tony, that’s not just ‘a cabin’:
    
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/newlyreleased-pics-show-ghislaine-maxwell-and-jeffrey-epstein-in-queens-cabin/news-story/1269c639d1b5e82a58165c1bf133c7e6
    
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    December 31, 2021 8:18am
    - hullkiwi
      
      It is a cabin in the Sandringham Estate. They were there at the invitation of Prince Andrew, not the Queen or the Royal family.
      
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      December 31, 2021 11:05am
      - Biscuit
        
        Balmoral, actually, hullkiwi. In Scotland. Sandringham is in England.
        
        And Randy Andy didn’t mention his plans at that time to his Mum?
        
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        December 31, 2021 11:17am
  - [email protected]
    
    Took a few seconds to calculate – brilliant!
    
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    December 31, 2021 8:24am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Joking aside, there’s a feeling that Ghislaine is on the receiving end of American justice deprived of Jeffrey Epstein.
    
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    December 31, 2021 8:27am
    - Nickc2
      
      Of course she is.
      Will there be a feature film or a series? Maybe both but with no notables playing themselves.
      Didn’t Nancy Pelosi pay a visit to the island? I wouldn’t dare question the purpose of the visit.
      
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      December 31, 2021 8:36am
      - hullkiwi
        
        No, just an expensive appeal process. The outcome will be judges doing cartwheels with the law, so that the “justice” sought by the media, the public mob, publicly elected District attorneys and other politicians is applied, while trashing the law and due process.
        
        This charade will play out so the woke mob can all feel happy about themselves. And in the process Maxwell becomes the true victim because the one arm of government that should remain beyond the public mob will bow to the sentiment of the mob.
        
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        December 31, 2021 11:13am
      - Papalazarou
        
        Maybe Epstein had a few friends who were biddy fiddlers?
        
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        December 31, 2021 5:16pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Suicide, for some, is a form of escape from justice.
      
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      December 31, 2021 8:40am
      - rouppe
        
        More a form of avoiding facing reality when you haven’t had to for so long
        
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        December 31, 2021 9:42am
      - Paulus
        
        It is suggested that she will commit suicide by cutting her throat with her fingernails.
        Hilary will be happy if she did.
        
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        December 31, 2021 9:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s why Killary continues to do it??
        
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        December 31, 2021 10:07am
      - Ed Snack
        
        On the same day, we hear that all the files and related data in the Maxwell case are to be permanently sealed, and the two guards who “forgot” to check on Epstein will have all charges against them dropped.
        
        It must be good to have that level of influence so that as a child molestor you can get all the evidence against you suppressed, and officially suppressed what’s more. Makes one all the more certain that Epstein definitely did not kill himself.
        
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        December 31, 2021 4:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I thought they started grooming girls as young as 14?
  Looks to me like she is going to get what she deserves.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    Agreed. Normally people here complain judges aren’t giving proper sentences , and when they do……
    
    What I find inneresting is the whole Media Pardy ‘outrage’ OTT coverage of this when for the last 60 years the same Media Pardy has been in the vanguard of the attack on ancien regime values that have ushered in an era of “anything goes”.
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:26am
  - curry4me
    
    All_on_Red: Ghislane Maxwell didn’t kill herself. And, the records are sealed. So the ‘beautiful people’no longer have to search for countries that don’t have etradition arrangements with the USA.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:00pm
- dime
  
  “Some 16 year old girls know exactly what they were doing”
  
  Some of those Children knew exactly what they were doing.
  
  Fixed it for ya.
  
  Ghislaine is a disgusting creature.
  
  How many young girls/ children went missing at that island?
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:30am
  - ByGolly
    
    None?
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:06am
- mawm
  
  Many high-powered men used the young women procured by Epstein and Maxwell. Their names will forever remain hidden as judge seals Maxwell’s little black book. Two tiered justice in the US.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:55am
- Allan
  
  This site has an interesting take on this matter.
  https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/12/30/ghislaines-jury-falls-for-the-coverup/
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:08am
  - CJames
    
    I think that can be filed under ongoing conspiracy theories rather than sensible analysis.
    
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    December 31, 2021 1:19pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Prince Andrew will be shitting himself. One of the girls has taken a civil case against him. He tried to avoid service but a UK High Court Judge ruled service to one of his flunckies was service.
  Mumm wont be able to protect him from the Courts.
  In addition Trump and Bill Clinton are in the firing line having been guest of Epstein.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:40am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Nope, all the records are sealed, Clinton is quite safe, although he was a guest on the “Lolita express” flights at least 26 times. Trump will probably be attacked because he once took a flight on a smaller aircraft with Epstein in the 1990’s from Florida to NY after Trumps aircraft needed servicing, and has no known visits to St James island or any of Epstein’s other residences. If Trump was connected in anyway to anything in the Maxwell trial it would have been deliberately leaked by now, so pretty clearly there’s nothing of substance.
    
    That’s what politicised justice does for you, ensures that the well connected guilty never get to face justice.
    
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    December 31, 2021 4:39pm
- David Garrett
  
  NeverMind: No no and No.
  
  I’m sure my very smart daughter “knew what was doing” well before 16. That is totally irrelevant. Young people are protected by laws such as the age of consent to protect them from themselves.
  
  65 years is certainly a very long time…but then I much prefer the Yank policy of imposing a cumulative sentence for each conviction over the “freebees” one gets here. You do know that if someone kidnapped a woman, gave her a serious hiding, and then raped her several times, his sentence here would be for the “totality of the offending” i.e far less that a sentence for each crime?
  
  I know of no evidence that Americans “like to bash foreigners”; just yesterday I was watching a doco on an American serial killer who is serving 197 years plus two life sentences for his crimes. Such sentences are not uncommon in the land of the (not so) free. You don’t have to be a foreigner to get one.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:53am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I don’t buy the nonsense teenagers are not responsible for their own decisions. It’s a gross copout and why we have infantile 30 somethings.
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Some of the young teenagers may have had awareness of the services they would be rendering, but I’m pretty sure none of them would have had much knowledge of the real value attached to their pretty young bodies.
      
      Epstein and his cronies weren’t providing nubile bodies to rich old men for nothing.
      
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      December 31, 2021 12:04pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Judging by the millions reportedly gone their way they have found out now, Maggy.
        
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        December 31, 2021 12:49pm
- Philview
  
  In the ideal world she will now spill the beans on who did what. Bring the whole corrupt house of cards down. She was an accomplice to providing a service of young girls to the rich and powerful.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:46am
  - Ed Snack
    
    If those who care think she is about to spill any beans, I have little doubt that there would be a rather sad but successful suicide attempt by Ghislaine, and by sheer chance the cameras in her cell and leading to her cell would just happen to be on the blink.
    
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    December 31, 2021 4:42pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  In New Zealand it would have been maximum 12 Months Home Detention.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:19am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    and the state would pay compensation….
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:58pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Maxwell’s conviction tidily allows us all to restrict ourselves to seeing only the tip of the iceberg while forgetting about what massive ugliness the waters really conceal. There will be a many, many relieved associates of Maxwell and Epstein at the moment.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:40am
  - lifesgood
    
    What Maxwell did was pure evil and there is no excuse for it…ever…but one thing I have noticed is that in all the photos of her with Epstein she is the one who looks in love, he looks pretty indifferent. I think she was obsessed with him. He had some sort of hold over her.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:16pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      Read Fail by John Preston
      
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      December 31, 2021 1:22pm
    - fisho
      
      Agreed. Have you watched the Netflix series Serpent? Along similar lines, charismatic psychopath has others who have fallen under their spell do much of their dirty work for them.
      She needs to take responsibility for her actions, but what about the many hundreds of people, men/women/couples who enabled this by partaking in activities with these young ladies?
      I am not supportive of her going down if no one else does. Truth be told, she’ll ‘commit suicide’ well before she has the opportunity to sing like a canary.
      
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      December 31, 2021 1:57pm
- Aunty
  
  And interestingly a number of those charges would not stand in New Zealand or much of Europe where the age of consent is 16 or lower. Which is the reason why I find it bizarre that our media refers to Epstein as a pedophile when many of his victims were at the age of consent in New Zealand. My comments only address the age of the girls involved here, and not any maters of coercion or the involvement of money, or those who were only 14 0r 15 at the time.
  
  By the way, I don’t think we have the age of consent wrong in NZ, but I think that many of the States in the US do (17 and 18).
  
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  December 31, 2021 12:02pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Totally agree, Aunty.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:50pm
  - Jules99
    
    Stories are told of Epstein and his friends trafficking 8-year-olds. The court case could be a cover-up for worse crimes. Most people aren’t too upset about 16-year-olds, but under 13 is different. I think, in due course, evidence will emerge of under 10-year-olds. There is underground evidence not presented by the prosecution who, incidentally, is James Comey’s daughter.
    
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    December 31, 2021 1:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It varies between states, from 16 to 18. Raised from 10 to 12 early in the twentieth century.
    Personally, I have no hesitation describing Epstein as a pedophile when he was a rich, powerful man in his fifties having sex with vulnerable teenagers.
    
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    December 31, 2021 2:55pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      That is common usage but technically incorrect. I think ephebophilia is the correct technical term for Epstein’s behaviour, sexual interest in mid to late adolescents. Paedophilia is technically pre-pubertal sexual interest.
      
      Prince Andrew has a possible partial defence (legal defence) in that the girl he is accused of having sex with was at least 16 at the time and if the acts occurred on Little St James the age of consent in that territory is I think 16. Not going to work for any acts committed in the USA, but if he is formally charged I wouldn’t doubt that his lawyers would try it on.
      
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      December 31, 2021 7:38pm
Yvette

What is happening apart from Covid
⬥ Willie Jackson unleashes on Māori MPs
Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson has taken a swing at National’s Simon Bridges and ACT’s David Seymour, saying they’re a “total waste of bloody time’’ when it comes to advocating for their own Māori people …
“Seymour is a classic example of absolutely being Māori, like Simon Bridges is, but neither of them ever advocate Māori positions, so they’re a total waste of bloody time,’’ Jackson told Newsroom.
Simon Bridges told Parliament the bill said to him he was “not good enough to win a vote of a non-Māori”, adding “well, I am good enough”. Photo: Lynn Grieveson
“They just happen to have Māori whakapapa – I’m not denying that – but they’ll never advocate Māori positions or kaupapa.’’
Jackson says any person of Māori descent who runs for council and talks about the Treaty of Waitangi or “espouses a real pro-Māori perspective’’ has no chance because “mainstream voters don’t want to hear it’’.
“If you get up and talk like Simon Bridges you get on council … because no one would know he has a drop of Māori blood in him,’’ he says.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jackson-unleashes-on-maori-mps

⬥ “When you see it, you know it,” said Jacinda Ardern of hate speech. But even the Minister of Justice has had trouble articulating just what might draw prosecution under Labour’s proposed hate speech legislation.
https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/new-opinion-39/

“I see it, and I know it” – Yvette
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December 31, 2021 8:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  If you don’t agree with Willie then you’re not a real Maori.
  
  Got it.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Willie is only a two bob Maori anyway. Nanaia is twenty shillings in the pound and a lot more dangerous.
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:13am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Nanaia may indeed be “twenty shillings to the pound” in terms of her rat cunning, but the pound was dropped in 1967; she’s almost 55 years out of date!
      
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      December 31, 2021 9:51am
  - Unity
    
    I read somewhere that Willie had had his DNA taken and there was no ‘Maori’ in him!! Was this just fake news? If not, he would have been so disappointed.
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:40am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      He identifies as Maori, there fixed it.
      
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      December 31, 2021 11:22am
      - Nickc2
        
        Willie can and will be anything you’re short of. IMO, he’s a Parliamentary Chameleon.
        Front on, he’s in awe of Dear Leader whilst behind her back, he’d do some stabbing to become the next Dear Leader.
        
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        December 31, 2021 11:55am
- pdm
  
  Willie Jackson head Organ Grinder for the (so called) Labour Maori Caucus and number one puller of Nanaia Mahuta’s strings in all portfolios.
  
  That man never gives up or misses an opportunity to put his knife into someones back.
  
  This is a warning to all Labour MP’s when the polls drop further and Jacksons re-election prospects become almost zilch.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t under-rate Wily Willie Jackson.
    
    His takeover of Radio New Zealand was a skilful coup. He had it merged into the State-supported Maori tribal network of 20 radio stations.
    
    Radio New Zealand, with State television, became the vanguard of the Maorification drive.
    
    The one mis-step was trying to turn Concert Radio into a youth channel for Maori and Pacific Island New Zealanders. The intelligentsia arm of Labour, including Helen Clark, put the kibosh on that bridge too far.
    
    Wily Willie mesmerised National into inaction while his Radio NZ coup pushed the broadcaster further Left.
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:07am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t forget, there’s a massive deflection being orchestrated here. IMO, he’s only come out from under his rock because he’s been tasked with taking the heat off Dear Leader over her importation and distribution of Omnicron fuck up.
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:59am
- rouppe
  
  Advocating positions that benefit all IS advocating for Maori
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:44am
Tomtoddy

New Years Honours.

Can you imagine getting a call from some bureaucrat in Wellington to say you have won a prestigious award about to be announced in the New Years Honours. Wow, you think. That’s pretty cool. You meekly ask, “what is this acknowledgement for?” “Oh, we are making up the quota. We are short of people in your disadvantaged minority, so we pulled your name out of a hat”.

Is it just me or does that seem to be the way the honour’s system works now?
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December 31, 2021 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  True
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:03am
- dime
  
  yeah a bit strange. i skimmed the herald article.
  
  they seem very proud that the green leaders dad is included and 20 or so PI’s. i guess after leaving them out of almost everything, labour is trying to show them some love.
  
  personally, i think not making their kids lose a year of schooling shows more love than a few titles, but what the fuck do i know
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:31am
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Tomtoddy…
  
  These awards are all politically correct these days – and so this year we get three new Dames and three new Knights.
  
  [Listed, too, did you notice?, in that order: females ahead of males.]
  
  And, tonight, the TV News will bring us the usual banal interviews with the ‘humbled’ honourees in which we’ll be told ‘this honour is really for my sport/colleagues/ethnicity’ and that ‘everyone should keep calling me Shirley’…
  
  I mentioned to my partner that, one again, sniff, I have been overlooked for a gong (well-deserved, in my modest opinion) for services to being a white, law-abiding, cat-patting, taxpaying citizen…
  
  But then I thought that if Jass had wanted to honour such a worthy soul it’d be more likely that she’d elevate the Speaker of our Parliament to Lord Trev status…
  
  I think Jass wasted an opportunity this year, anyway. Why not make Awards to groups like, oh, the supermarket workers or the vaccinators or even ‘The team of 5 Million’?
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    How about you make yourself a nice-looking participation certificate, frame it, and hang it on your wall to remind you of your own worthiness?
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:11am
    - Biscuit
      
      mike, I’ll be magnanimous here and presume you are extracting the urine here much as my original post was.
      
      Happy New Year to you and yours…
      
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      December 31, 2021 11:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Perhaps “Dame” comes before “Knight” in the alphabet…
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Ladies before gentlemen?
      
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      December 31, 2021 11:50am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        That too. Happy New Year mikenmild 😀
        
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        December 31, 2021 2:28pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And to you, Tony.
        
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        December 31, 2021 2:56pm
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit would that make Mallard – Lord Despicable Trevor Mallard?
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:58am
- Clownworld
  
  NZ and honours….
  
  NZ stopped being honourable when it divided NZers into two groups.
  
  Medical unscientific “non-mandatory” tribes.
  
  We are us. 5million captives.
  
  We are us (the conformists and blinding knee-bowing marxist fascists sole source of truth) and “them”.
  Them being the minority of less than human scum masquerading as free thinking non-conformists with a different opinion on a few current topics. Them is those who will be the new yellow starred scapegoats for all spreading viral events.
  
  NZ stopped being honourable when the media censor “facts” and only report what they are paid to report.
  
  NZ lost honour when we create an evil unfair MIQ and don’t allow their own people back into NZ. Yet make exceptions for the elite, rich , artistic and the govts own henchmen.
  
  NZ lost honour when villifying their own medical people who didn’t have choice of a vaccine and worked at frontline before vaccines were available. Now when there is a free choice of a vaccine , choose not to they are no longer heroes but villans?
  
  NZ lost honour when people were refused care due to free choice. When they lost their career and jobs to free choice.
  
  NZ needs to ( all 5 million of us) admit we fell headlong into an evil trap and simply say no more.
  
  This society is now a trap for whatever whims politicans have for NZ’s future. Shame on us the next generation will inherit debt, stupidity and evil.
  
  What were we drinking?
  What were we thinking?
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:05am
- MCōs
  
  Who did you have in mind?
  Lisa Carrington?
  Te Aitanga-a-Māhaki and Ngāti Porou
  Also NZ’s most successful Olympian.
  Sophie Pascoe, who has won eleven gold medals at the Paralympics?
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Hamish Bond has got to be up there?
    
    Oh, silly me, white and male which should have given him a 10 in the disability scoring . . .
    
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    December 31, 2021 1:12pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Only made a MNZM so far. More honours doubtless to come.
      
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      December 31, 2021 2:58pm
- Unity
  
  I reckon that’s true. I said to my partner today that one of these days we could be up for an Honour as they must surely be running out of deserving people.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:42am
- The Housekeeper
  
  The real heroes are the ones who politely decline. That’s a list I would actually be interested in.
  
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  December 31, 2021 2:04pm
Nukuleka

Mmmm… NZ Honours…..Marama Davidson’s dad….
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December 31, 2021 8:03am
mikenmildagain

I might have missed Kiwibloggers’ tributes to Desmond Tutu after the Nobel laureate’s death on Boxing Day.
He will surely be remembered as one of the great moral voices of the late 20th century. A man who saw the desperate need to end a system of government based on racial oppression, but also saw the need for reconciliation in the aftermath of that regime’s inevitable fall.
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December 31, 2021 8:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m with you on this one, Mikey. Unlike many heroes of black liberation, he appears not to have feet of clay.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:16am
- Jack5
  
  Someone did accuse Bishop Tutu of hating Jews, but it was pointed out that was false, though he was a bit pro-Palestinian.
  
  Nevertheless Milky, and please don’t let your modesty deny this: you also would be one of the great moral voices — of Kiwiblog.?
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:34am
- Cassandra
  
  Apart from his anti semitism. Although his dentist was Dr Cohen.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:41am
  - Romney
    
    Such an out-dated term. Try ‘Critical Semite Theory.’
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:30am
- David George
  
  Perhaps because of the hate he peddled, his hypocracy?
  Melanie Phillips: There was, however, another side to Tutu — a shocking side. And just as one should respect the dead and pay tribute to their achievements, it is also incumbent upon us to tell the truth about that person if that truth is important enough, however distasteful this may be. And it undoubtedly is that important.
  
  It’s not merely that Tutu demonised Israel with libellous falsehoods. Worse still, he explicitly and repeatedly demonised the Jewish people. His occasional claims that he identified with the Jews and his acknowledgement that they had been allies in the great fight against South African apartheid generally morphed into his grotesque and incomprehensible accusation that the Jews of Israel had done to the Palestinian Arabs what the apartheid regime had done to the black population of South Africa.
  
  He minimised the suffering of those murdered in the Holocaust, asserting that “the gas chambers” made for “a neater death” than did Apartheid. In other words, the Palestinians, who in his incorrect view are the victims of “Israeli Apartheid,” have suffered more than the victims of the Nazi Holocaust. He complained of “the Jewish Monopoly of the Holocaust,” and demanded that its victims must “forgive the Nazis for the Holocaust,” while refusing to forgive the “Jewish people” for “persecute[ing] others”.
  When confronted with his double standard against Jews, he justified it on phoney theological grounds: “Whether Jews like it or not, they are a peculiar people. They can’t ever hope to be judged by the same standards which are used for other people”. There is a name for non-Jews who hold Jews to a double standard: It is called antisemitism.
  
  Tutu acknowledged having been frequently accused of being antisemitic, to which he has offered two responses: “Tough luck;” and “my dentist’s name is Dr. Cohen”.
  
  Thus the “apartheid” libel against Israel, a commonplace today in so-called “progressive” circles. It is, of course, mind-blowing that Tutu, of all people, could hold that Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East and where all its citizens patently enjoy equal civic and religious rights, practised apartheid.
  
  But the idea that his belief was the result of intersectionality has surely got that the wrong way round. For he helped put rocket fuel behind the “apartheid” lie. As Jay Nordlinger, author of a history of the Nobel Peace Prize, wrote in 2014 about the prize’s winners:
  
  The most harmful of them is Desmond Tutu: because he is a South African hero who, for decades, has peddled the lie that Israel is an “apartheid state”. Coming from him, it is more harmful than from (the countless) others.
  
  For while he demonised and delegitimised Israel with falsehoods and distortions, he was muted in his criticism of atrocities in the developing world. After 9/11, he soft-pedalled criticism of Islamic extremism
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It really shouldn’t surprise anyone that Desmond Tutu sympathised with the Palestinian struggle for self-determination.
    And perhaps the well-known military and economic ties between the apartheid regime and Israel coloured Tutu’s views.
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:21am
    - Reid
      
      Yes. A few decades ago I worked with a South African Ph.D who’d emigrated to NZ. She used to work in SA’s nuclear program during the apartheid days and she told me that there was a secret agreement between SA and Israel to cooperate with each other on their respective programs, because none of the other nuclear nations would work with either of them, back in those days.
      
      Obviously nothing official has ever been released so who knows, but it seemed logical for that to happen given conditions at the time.
      
      But regardless of that, I don’t understand why some to most people in the conservative camp can’t bring themselves to the simple recognition of the actual and evidential treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli’s. Pretending such objective recognition is anti-semitic is antithetical to logic and common sense, yet such attitude abounds in my fellow political travellers.
      
      It’s an interesting phenomena. It’d be even more interesting to compare those conservatives who think as I do on the Israel-Palestine question with those who think as I do on the vax question, and vice-versa.
      
      I suspect there’d be quite a big venn diagram intersect on that.
      
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      December 31, 2021 10:49am
      - Philob
        
        Not just on nuclear matters. Israel and South Africa cooperated in many fields, and Desmond Tutu would have known this. Their common interest was as countries under siege. Economic and currency management was similar, but there were many detailed instances which I have now forgotten. One that comes to mind is that many “Jaffa” oranges sold in NZ were from South Africa.
        Perhaps the Israelis learned their present ingenuity at cooperation with other countries from their experience with apartheid South Africa.
        On your other point Reid, I think that most Israelis would agree that the Palestinian Arabs are oppressed – former PM Ariel Sharon certainly said so, but would argue that it is necessary so to avoid their own genocide.
        
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        December 31, 2021 3:20pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        It is possible that a flash and a gamma burst picked up by a US satellite over the far South Atlantic sometime in the 60’s was in fact a clandestine Israeli nuclear test, facilitated by the SA government.
        
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        December 31, 2021 4:47pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The pal leadership have had many opportunities to get on with becoming a civilized, independent and respectable state. By their actions they appear not to want to become that.
      
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      December 31, 2021 3:53pm
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, mike.
  
  I read this the other day – from Gyles Brandreth (a British actor, broadcaster, writer and former politician):
  
  https://www.gylesbrandreth.net/blog/2021/12/26/meeting-desmond-tutu
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Indeed.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:14am
- alloytoo
  
  My family and friends chose to recall their personal interactions with the good Bishop in private.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:27am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  And now reverse fascism has become so fashionable.
  
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  December 31, 2021 3:06pm
Than

Yesterday I tried to watch the Netflix movie ‘Don’t Look Up’. I got half-way through and gave up in disgust.

The basic premise of the movie is that scientists discover an asteroid is going to hit Earth, but people just laugh it off, ignore it, and go on about their lives. It’s supposed to be an (incredibly unsubtle and ham-fisted) analogy to climate-change. The problem is trying to claim equivalence between these two cases is just complete and utter BS.

Orbital mechanics is an extremely precise and well-tested science. A small number of equations can give you the exact position of an object in space to very high accuracy. Its predictions get proven every time a space mission reaches its destination successfully, and every time your GPS gets you where you need to go. If astronomers locate an asteroid that will hit Earth, they’ll fairly quickly be able to tell us exactly when it will hit, how massive it is, and what the impact speed will be.

In comparison the uncertainty around climate-change is huge. Yes there is broad consensus that human emissions are heating the planet. But beyond that basic premise things rapidly get extremely hazy. Exactly how much different gases contribute, how much heating will happen for different levels of emissions, how quickly temperatures will rise, the exact consequences of different levels of heating… the uncertainty bars around each level are huge.

However one thing is fairly certain about climate change – it is not going to be an extinction level event. With the exception of a few runaway “tipping point” scenarios (generally considered extremely unlikely) human civilization could continue to exist even if we end up with relatively high (2.5 – 3 degree C) levels of warming. Yes we would have more extreme weather events, ecological shifts, and sea level changes. Yes, the potential damage could be huge, and lives would be lost. But the effect would not be anything near an extinction-level asteroid impact, a multi-thousand megaton explosion which would kill every single human being (and 99% of all plant and animal species) on the planet in a relatively short time.

Trying to equate these two situations is so absurd it should be laughable. In comparing these completely incomparable scenarios, the creators of this movie have unintentionally said far more about the modern climate-activism movement than they have about the debate on climate-change. They have only demonstrated what a hysterical doomsday-cult it has become.
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December 31, 2021 8:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  Current warming trend is around 1C per century so none of the extreme things like ice massively melting, sea level rise accelerating, more extreme weather etc are going to happen.
  Climate activism is a religious movement
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:36am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Climate activism is communism in a green suit.
    
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    December 31, 2021 3:08pm
- Cassandra
  
  Unsubtle and hamfisted need, but quite entertaining. Watch the second half too.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:44am
- emmess
  
  Yes, dumb movie but moderately entertaining.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You have misread the purpose of satire. The film does not attempt to pretend that a comet strike is *just like* climate change.
  A satire deliberately exaggerates a scenario to draw out a view of human nature. And the view of human nature presented in Don’t Look Up is not completely unfounded.
  To misread the situation so completely, I can only imagine that you would have hated Dr Strangelove on the grounds that no American general could be so paranoid about fluoride in the water that he would engineer a nuclear war.
  I found the film to be entertaining, although from daily perusal of Kiwiblog I need no reminder that many folks will routinely decry any expertise which happens to conflict with their personal interests or prejudices.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:56am
  - Than
    
    I guess you’re right mikenmildagain, I am misreading one of the purposes of satire. It frequently gets abused to state total bullshit, with a “just kidding” (“but I’m not really”) undertone.
    
    I’ll be skipping the rest of this piece of propaganda deceitfully termed entertainment thanks.
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:50am
  - Cassandra
    
    Good comment, mike, apart from the unnecessary jab at the end. You can’t help yourself, can you?
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:52am
  - rouppe
    
    Climate change modeller and expertise is an oxymoron
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:54am
  - Jack5
    
    Milky’s (8.56 post) … … from daily perusal of Kiwiblog I need no reminder that many folks will routinely … blah, blah, blah.
    
    The main definition of to peruse is to examine or study with great care.
    
    Milky, is your purported nochalance the cover of a conspiracy theorist seeking hidden signals or meanings in Kiwblog posts?
    
    What are you looking for, Milky? A Kiwiblog Code along the lines of the Da Vinci Code or the Torah Code?
    
    Happy perusing for 2022!
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:58am
    - Jack5
      
      Edit: it is of course, Milky’s purported noncholance that is notable.
      
      Apologies for the typo.
      
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      December 31, 2021 11:11am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Perhaps I used ‘perusal’ inelegantly, when ‘reading’ would have sufficed. Some comments require more reading than others, though.
        
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        December 31, 2021 11:55am
  - emmess
    
    Also, why is the populist right captivated by the tech billionaire in the movie?
    That is a total inversion of reality.
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I don’t think that is material to the story. I think the idea of a billionaire donor with an inside track to the political leader would work equally well no matter what brand of politics the story ascribes to said leader.
      
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      December 31, 2021 11:57am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I shouldn’t you would need Kiwiblog to tell that Mikey, a mirror should be enough.
    
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    December 31, 2021 4:48pm
- rouppe
  
  The key takeaway from that movie is that true science is a model that could be tested, repeatedly tested, all coming up with the same answer, that proves to be true.
  
  Unlike climate change models. None of which have proved true, or have come up with the same answer.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:53am
- NZer In Exile
  
  It’s 38C where I am right now. I flick a switch and my AC is powered by that wonderful fossil fuel energy.
  
  “With the exception of a few runaway “tipping point” scenarios”
  
  Many times in the last few thousand years the earth has been hotter than any time in the current industrial period Ditto during the last interglacial approx 100,000 years ago (and many many times before that). These BS tipping points did not happen in those significantly hotter periods, They are grasping at straws using made up horror theories to cover for their failed hypothesis on human CO2 supposedly now suddenly being the control knob for the world’s average temperature (Co2 never has been before!!).
  
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  December 31, 2021 4:01pm
Warren

Please can someone inform me what Rosemary Margret McLeod has achieved or earned to be awarded a CMZM In the Christmas Honours List as Journalism has done nothing over the last four years for this person to get or deserve this award.
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December 31, 2021 8:06am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Supreme snarkiness over a sustained period
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:18am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    If Rosemary McLeod has had a sustained period, it would explain why she has been so snarky and bitchy for the last 30-plus years.
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Although I don’t agree with her politics, McLeod has been writing for 40-plus years, and has broken some important stories. The CNZM is for her life’s work, not just her contributions since Labour became the government.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:18am
  - Nukuleka
    
    You don’t award someone simply for doing their job. ‘Breaking important stories’ is no basis for an Honours award. That is what she has been paid to do. What unpaid community or charitable work has she done? How has she demonstrably contributed to the improvement of life in New Zealand?
    
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    December 31, 2021 8:33am
    - Hollyfield
      
      Many people are given Honours for just doing their jobs. I believe they should be given to people who have spent a significant part of their lifetime in voluntary service to others.
      
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      December 31, 2021 8:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The idea that honours should only go to people for unpaid work would rule out about 80% of all honours. The idea of the honours system, imperfect as it must be, is to recognise service to the country in its many forms. Military personnel, scientists, academics, artists, business owners, etc, are all paid for their work, some very well indeed, but I see no need to deny them recognition of their excellence and service on that ground.
      
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      December 31, 2021 9:06am
      - gravedodger
        
        Colour me surprised Mike you omitted Politics, then they are mostly overpaid in the extreme and deliver infinitesimal degrees of service unless self serving is included.
        
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        December 31, 2021 10:49am
      - david
        
        mma
        So you are suggesting that Rosemary McLeod has risen to be a pre-eminent journalist, recognisably superior to her peers and has, as such, contributed significantly to the profession of journalism and the sum of knowledge represented by the presentation of information to the population at large?
        Pppppssssst…. come out the back, I’ve a couple of bridges for sale.
        
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        December 31, 2021 4:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    When Independent Newspapers Ltd (now the basis of Stuff) was formed, the views of McLeod were imposed on readers of other newspapers round the country.
    
    Christchurch readers over the decades had been entertained by some great scribes in the Press, such as the sports writer Dick Brittenden.
    
    Then the feminist bitchiness of Wellington’s McLeod was among the columns that invaded.
    
    Southern readers felt nostalgic sadness midly similar to that of the Channel Islands newspaper readers when the Germans invaded.
    
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    December 31, 2021 8:47am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Those poor Cantabs – forced to read a newspaper column. And *just like* having the Nazis in charge, huh?
      
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      December 31, 2021 10:14am
      - Jack5
        
        It could have been worse, Milky.
        
        Imagine if you had been syndicated.
        
        Your column could have alternated with McLeod’s.
        
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        December 31, 2021 10:38am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’ll make do with my occasional contributions to this or that.
        
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        December 31, 2021 11:59am
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        I have come to suspect that mike actually is Rosemary McLeod.
        
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        December 31, 2021 12:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m not that witty, and don’t know anything about handcrafts.
        
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        December 31, 2021 2:40pm
- pdm
  
  Warren – I know, I know
  
  She (Rosemary) spent her share of the many millions (does anyone really know the total amount) dished out to the media exactly in line with Government directives and did not critique Prime Minister Ardern even once.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:35am
  - ecco
    
    Hard to assess the media bribe/handout unless you know the extent of all the lucrative covid messaging contracts dished out to the likes of Stuff, by Ardern’s regime. McLeod would have to be one of the reasons I cancelled my Dompost subscription way back when. Can’t stand the odious woman’s writings.
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:46am
- lifesgood
  
  Supported Jacinda and the government at every turn.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:23am
Tomtoddy

Dan Bongino Destroys Climate Alarmist with Facts, Data from The Heartland Institute – YouTube

Nomiki Konst is a Democrat Socialist, woman with influence in New York and increasingly across the USA among younger people. It is worth listening to see how she works – loud, rude, irrational, uninterested in facts and data of any origin. Elsewhere she explains that climate change is a “woman’s movement thing” and that it is “about women asserting their position”. She also uses climate change to push her socialist agenda for the poor, for greater taxing of corporations and the rich. No need for logic, science, research – it is about feelings and ideological agendas. These women are future leaders holding the levers of power. They are clever, articulate, demanding and determined.

And we ought to know better than anyone. We have one here in Aye-oh-tee-a-row-a.
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December 31, 2021 8:06am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The New Years Honours List is worse than usual. Damehoods for Lisa Carrington and Sophie Pascoe are over the top. Great sportswomen though they are, they are successful in minority sports only. For kayaking, for example, the competitors are pretty much from OECD/ Euro countries only. The gold standard is John Walker or Peter Snell, successful against a truly global field.

As for Robert Gillies, his main claim to fame seems to be that he’s the last survivor of the Maori Battalion. I would have thought that long life would have been its own reward.

I’m not criticising any of these or other recipients; rather, it speaks of Labour’s obsession with intersectionality in terms of handing out gongs.
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December 31, 2021 8:12am
- Warren
  
  Are You saying that Sir John Kirwin, as a random selection has achieved more than Lisa Carrington or Sophie Pascoe, yet we hold them the All Blacks up in the highest esteem. I would hold Liasa Carrington up as in the top ten woman athletes for New Zealand in my life time and that is 71 years and she deserves to be given the Knighthood she received.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Exactly. And, by NeverMindTheBollocks’s standard, no All Black should ever have been knighted, as rugby is a ‘minority sport’ worldwide.
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:17am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Was Sir John Kirwan knighted due rugby or services to mental health? I can’t recall.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:59pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Both, In fact, he was made a MZNM for services to rugby, an ONZM for services to mental health and a KNZM for services to both.
      
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      December 31, 2021 3:02pm
- ecco
  
  Yes New Years honours appear to be a marketing tool now used by Ardern.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:49am
Paulus

Great to see our two great Olympians Carrington and Pascoe honoured.
Both, as individuals, highly deserve our honour.
Takes blood, toil, tears and sweat to achieve what they have, and as great examples of what can be attained as the best in the real World.
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December 31, 2021 8:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Agree wholeheartedly Paulus – you only have to see Pascoe collapsed and vomiting after one of her finals at Tokyo to understand that she had given absolutely everything.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:21am
  - lifesgood
    
    They do it purely for their own satisfaction and glory not for the good of anyone else.
    
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    December 31, 2021 9:25am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Quite possibly, but to achieve at that level requires sustained self-discipline and commitment to excellence (on top of good genes) which can serve as inspiration to us mere mediocrities and, to some extent, foster a sense of national identity.
      
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      December 31, 2021 4:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m in agreement that honours are well deserved. But a dame hood is pretty much near the top of the tree, & out of whack with what other sporting heroes have received in years gone by.
  
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  December 31, 2021 8:58am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Damehoods and Knighthoods have been awarded to quite a few elite Olympians over the years. In both of these cases, they are the most warded in terms of medals.
    
    So, yes, both Dame Lisa and Dame Sophie more than fully qualify. And are widely seen as aspirational role models.
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:40am
- kowtow
  
  If they are being given awards for being Olympic champions , then they’ve already had their awards …..
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:03am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I feel a bit sorry for you and your ilk who delight in so sourly assaulting the achievements of great New Zealanders. By your logic, no one would ever get any royal honour:
    Sports champions did it for their medals, trophies and paycheques
    Business people did it for the money
    Charity workers did it for their own satisfaction (lifegood’s argument)
    Academics did if for the Nobel Prize, fellowships, etc
    Police office and armed services personnel did it because it was their job.
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:25am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Yeah, you’d never stoop to sourly assaulting anyone, would?
      
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      December 31, 2021 12:03pm
ClanMcleod

One of the things many people have struggled with over the last two years has been the changing message and the confusion it has caused. This hasn’t been by accident. This is deliberate. Confused people are easier to control. Confused people comply with irrational instructions much more readily than people who are thinking clearly.

Some excellent examples at this blog.

“the revisionist history around vaccines is getting pretty extreme. let’s be VERY clear:

yes, they were promised to stop spread, contagion, and provide herd immunity.

yes, those promises were made by the same “experts” currently claiming “vaccines were never supposed to stop spread, just reduce severity.”

yes, they were so committed to this that they literally changed the definition of “herd immunity” to EXCLUDE natural immunity.

(of course, they then changed the definition of “vaccine” as well to make this look like less of a failure)”

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/yes-the-vaccines-were-supposed-to

This has been a psyop from the beginning and it has never been about looking after our health.
This is all about getting a digital ID widely distributed and accepted. Once it is in place it will be modified in ways that would normally never have been acceptable to the general public.
Welcome to the CCP social credit system. Unless people stop complying with this irrational control system then that is our future.
Do not comply. Say NO.

The covid narrative is insane and illogical, and maybe that’s no accident.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/29/the-covid-narrative-is-insane-and-illogical-and-maybe-thats-no-accident/
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December 31, 2021 8:20am
- Clownworld
  
  Indeed not just to control people but to prepare people for worship of a charismatic world leader.
  
  Just a coincidence BLM introduced global spirts teams to bend the knee. Thid is an act of submission, surrender and guilt to worship others as more worthy.
  
  Likewise just a coincidence that censorship of any alternative to the mainstream narrative is banned, or as we used to say both sides of a story should be told for objectivity.
  
  Just a coincidence that political leaders live on polls and images. Likability more important than policies etc.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:17am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Dr. Peter McCullough discusses the CDC’s decision to be wary of ‘vaccinating’ children, with huge spikes in heart problems……….
    https://trib247.com/articles/leading-cardiologist-warns-16-000-kids-injured-by-the-vaccine-emerging-public-health-threat?utm_source=PMI&utm_medium=deployer&utm_campaign=Newsletter
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:45am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      No no no Ron you are a conspiracy theory mongering anti vaxxer. Don’t you know that vaccines are “safe”? Period. Shut up! ?
      
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      December 31, 2021 4:56pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “to prepare people for worship of a charismatic world leader.”
    
    Hmm I recall fundy christians banging on about that in the 80s (Barry somebody or other wrote a book about it in NZ I think). Are you a fundy Christian?
    
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    December 31, 2021 4:05pm
    - Clownworld
      
      No I am not a fundy christain whatever that label is meant to mean?
      
      Having some general knowledge I think you are referring to Barry Smith who was proven in time (think he died a while back?) to be correct in some of his predictions based on 2000 year old written historical claims. However from memory he also made claims that have not come true as well.
      
      I do think though that a cashless society is coming very soon, it makes pragmatic sense. Given Sweden already is linking a chip under the skin to their perssonumber would not be surprised the world goes digital soon, with a data id for everything the new normal.
      
      Happy to be wrong, but a one world govt enabled to control the population through a technocratic system makes sense if you are thinking globally.
      
      From this a populist saviour with high poll ratings and controlled narratives from a compliant media to rule all makes sense from a global reset leadership point of view.
      
      The coincidence that people have been saying this lately or Barry in the 80s or people wtote about 2000 years ago, is just a coincidence too.
      
      If it happens it no longer is a conspiracy. It then must be explained away by the sole source of truth.
      
      On other hand , if a charismatic world leader emerges out of nowhere soon admist more global chaos…then perhaps there is a possibility some people were right all along?
      
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      January 2, 2022 7:12am
- Fight4NZ
  
  I’m not sure how you got so confused but seem to be playing fast and loose with putting words in experts’ mouths.
  Probably been talked about already but probably the thing to cause the most confusion in the whole pandemic so far is Trump strongly endorsing vaccines and vaccination a few days ago. How does your average Trumpista antivaxxer process that???
  
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  December 31, 2021 1:40pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    By ignoring it?
    
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    December 31, 2021 6:30pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Not sure what a Trumpista is?
    Trump just part of the global cabal.
    
    The deliberate lie is that we have a choice between a right or a left political party or parties. The truth is that all are simply puppets and the same outcomes happen.
    
    Witness the USA if trump or biden won, the difference really would be what?
    
    Both push for greater debt and spending. Both support vaccines.
    
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    January 2, 2022 7:18am
Mobile Michael

Cause the 2018 Census debacle was not caused by incompetence, but a lack of money. That’s $42 per person, or about one hour of manwork. It takes 15 minutes to complete the census form.

$210 million in funding is currently available to run the 2023 Census. This is a substantial increase on the 2018 Census, which is forecast to cost $126 million.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/2023-census/
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December 31, 2021 8:22am
- Littletramp
  
  Do we think that James Shaw will be involved again, and that a significant portion of that $210 million will be dished out prior to the next election, to bolster the Greens coffers for 2023 re-election effort?
  Seems to be the way it now works.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:07am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Among other things large increase in cost due to:
  ” – support sustained and ongoing work connecting with communities around New Zealand and helping them increase both their representation in, and their confidence using census data.”
  which translated means ” get communities to believe results even thought they may contradict other independent data”
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:18am
Ruahine

Has Shaun Hendy been awarded a new computer in the New Years Honours list?.
The one that he has got is bloody useless.
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December 31, 2021 8:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Nothing wrong with his computer, it’s the classic problem with computers. GIGO which Hendy and Plank have done at a high level for years.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:23am
- Col Selwyn
  
  Given the $6m his far left mates gave him in 2021 he should be able to stretch the funding to an abacus computer in 2022, might improve his scaremongering
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:33am
dime

According to the Herald, Auckland is on edge over omnicron fears lmao

im struggling to find anyone who gives a fuck.

put a fork in covid, its done.

fingers crossed labour keep doing tons of live broadcasts. they are so out of touch they will have no idea they are only getting scared middle aged women in tiny shitty towns tuning in.
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December 31, 2021 8:33am
- ecco
  
  Unfortunately those women in the backblocks might get Cindy over the line again. Does not bear thinking about.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You don’t think men vote for Our Dear PM and her Labour mates?
    
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    December 31, 2021 2:12pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  You obviously don’t circulate among a wide enough range of people. Lots of people I know are quite concerned, especially if they are older.
  
  In Devonport there has been a real rush for the booster shot. One chemist ran out of the vaccine very quickly.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wayne all that tells me that living in a trendy affluent area is no indication of intelligence, or lack thereof.
    There is NO data around the long term impact of boosters. Actually, there is no data around long term impact of the actual “vaccine” either.
    
    The triple jabbed are 4 times more likely to get omicron than the unjabbed. But as it’s such a mild thing anyway it’s no big deal.
    
    https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/preliminary-uk-data-triple-vaccinated
    
    Let it go Wayne. Get out from under the bed. The narrative is crumbling.
    
    https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-beginning-of-the-end
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:08am
    - Fight4NZ
      
      Speaking of GIGO…..
      
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      December 31, 2021 1:42pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Heh, yep some are desperately clinging to covid fear. All those blips (now reversed) in excess deaths. All that debt and stifling of freedom. All for nought.
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:19am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I’m picking that with Omicron the Mild taking over proceedings, the overall survival rates from Covid will improve from the scary 99.98% it currently sits at.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:36pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Sad people in Devonport then.
    
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    December 31, 2021 1:02pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Devonport people? It’s full of geriatric Drug Addled Flower-Power People who have all become capitalists over time.
      
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      December 31, 2021 1:27pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Oh dear Wayne….Using the my circle of friends is better than your circle of friends brush off.
    
    Actually what intrigues me is that amongst all the angst about the DJ and the AIr NZ crew supposedly with the very highly infectious strain of Covid.
    
    NO OTHER CASES from them even having lived in close contact with others all who seem to have been tested negative.
    
    So either its not highly infectious, or the testing is dodgy?
    
    Which is it.
    
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    December 31, 2021 3:46pm
  - Jim
    
    Rushing out will help, as will an extra couple of laps around the block each day. Indeed age is a serious factor, but very much allied with obesity and the associated underlying health problems.
    Does anyone see our public money being spent on public health campaigns or is it just promoting big pharmaceutical companies.
    
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    January 1, 2022 6:10am
- Colville
  
  Dime. I am up in Auckland for a few days, talking to a bar owner last night he says it’s busier than usual. Jaffas afraid to travel out of town.
  We struggled to find a walk in at 6 for dinner.
  I am looking forward to a good blowout tonight down by the water.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:09am
Julie

I see the government paid media and experts are trying to push the position that the DJ was incubating Omicron for 10/11 days, ie from before his first test before leaving the UK.
A quick google search clearly states that omicron has the shortest period of any variant so far, about 3 days. This is something any journalist can fact check.
Therefore logically he can only have caught it in MIQ.Even if everyone stays longer as many are calling for, it can be caught from the
time you get the last negative test and leave MIQ.
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December 31, 2021 8:39am
- ecco
  
  Hipkins needs to stump up with some hard evidence that the DJs omicron is unrelated to other Miq omicron cases. Or else I’m calling BS on him. Again.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:54am
  - chiz
    
    Genome sequencing showed that the DJ’s case isn’t related to other MIQ cases.
    
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    December 31, 2021 2:37pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Or the PCR test they use has given a false positive ? Depending on the number of cycles used, the chance of a false positive in the PCR can be very high, over 80%.
    
    Seems at least a serious possibility that this “detection” is a false positive.
    
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    December 31, 2021 5:54pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  By experts, I trust you mean Dr Souixsie Wiles. But she’s out of step with international opinion, including a very well-spoken Australian doctor on 1News last night.
  
  Whilst the jury is still out on the severity of the Omicron variant, let’s not forget that Australia started with one case, a double-vaccinated man. On Wednesday alone, NSW reported more than 11,000 new cases, almost double that of the previous day. If it takes off here, we should be prepared for record numbers, but almost certainly not a corresponding increase in hospital admissions or deaths.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:57am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Hmmm, doesn’t sound too dangerous if this report out of Iceland is anything to go by.
    
    “Finally, the heavily vaccinated Icelandic parliament has been hit with a wave of Corona infections, which started among the opposition parties and soon spread into the cabinet.
    
    Three ministers have now tested positive; run this incredibly stupid article through Google translate to see how they’re spending their time in quarantine: Finance Minister Bjarni Benediktsson is hard at work on a jigsaw puzzle, Science Minister Áslaug Arna Sigurbjörnsdóttir is eating take-out, and Foreign Affairs Minister Þórdís Kolbrún R. Gylfadóttir is hanging out with her cat. This is obviously a highly dangerous disease, worth every inch of the social and economic destruction we have wrought, in our futile attempts to contain it.”
    
    This link has more details.
    
    https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/virologist-christian-drosten-naturally
    
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    December 31, 2021 10:28am
    - Fight4NZ
      
      You have said on a number of occasions that you welcome a debate with evidence linked, with the strong proviso that you accept nothing from any conventional source.
      Be very clear that eucalyptus here , or borrowed guacamole, or the like is absolutely not evidence of anything but antivaxxer insanity and would be not accepted either.
      
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      December 31, 2021 5:45pm
  - emmess
    
    Pink hair
    An expert
    Pull the other one
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:49am
- artemisia
  
  That does seem to be the case Julie – final MIQ test is negative and the person is infected on the way out the door. Six months expiry on the new vax pass.
  
  And anyway the rules keep changing, are increasingly complex, and not everyone has the language or other ability to keep up.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:07am
  - fernglas
    
    A weak positive from a historical infection picked up by an amplified PCR test seems more likely. The kids in Europe are and have been riddled with it. If that is the case he would not be infectious and New Zealand can collectively breath a sigh of relief
    
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    December 31, 2021 4:17pm
    - artemisia
      
      My post was more a general observation, not the specific DJ case.
      
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      December 31, 2021 6:20pm
- Philview
  
  Maybe he caught it at the night club. Flight crew seem to be coming and going with little supervision.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hmmmmmm…
  
  Who to believe,
  NZ’s spin doctoring experts or Australia’s epidemiological expert?
  
  “With Omicron with an even shorter incubation period [than Delta] it will be very difficult to find cases before they’ve inadvertently passed it on to others.”
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/30/just-takes-one-case-expert-worried-about-omicron-spread/
  
  The reason Omicron is spreading like wildfire is because it has a short incubation period…. so short that contact tracing is pretty useless.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:18am
- Fight4NZ
  
  Sequencing should provide a good idea where it came from.
  
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  December 31, 2021 1:04pm
Tomtoddy

I may have missed this being commented on in Kiwiblog earlier but it involved an interview with Kelvin Davis. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127299539/summer-off-politics-what-kelvin-davis-is-doing-reading-and-watching-for-the-break

Davis, you may remember is deputy leader of Labour. Easily forgotten. I loved the line where he was asked what he is going to do over the holidays. “My usual approach is to head out into the bush for a few days first up, to clear my head”.

That wont take long. Beggar all to clear. He had no idea what he was going to do, what he was going to read or listen to. Vacuous comes to mind.
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December 31, 2021 8:42am
- ecco
  
  Deputy leader in name only. But probably pulling in a nice deputy leaders salary on the pay scale. I guess it’s one of the tools to shore up the Maori caucus support for Ardern.
  
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  December 31, 2021 9:56am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Let’s not forget that Davis is Corrections Minister, was missing in action during the Waikeria Prison riot a year ago (he must have been clearing his head then too!). Nor should we forget that he coined the phrase “inmate disorder event” to describe a riot that lasted a number of days, and did at least $25 million damage to a taxpayer-owned Corrections facility.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Today’s effort with Maureen Pugh is similarly mirth-provoking:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127299201/summer-off-politics-what-maureen-pugh-is-doing-reading-and-watching-over-the-summer-break
  
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  December 31, 2021 3:07pm
I remember when

Newshub: Video shows thick black smoke pouring out of Rotorua motel:
Golden Glow (you couldn’t make this up) Motel in Fenton St has thick black smoke and explosions.
Tripadvisor: Feb 2021: On arrival found at least half of the units were occupied by Government emergency housing.
So thick black smoke, explosions, undesirable tenants – join the dots.
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December 31, 2021 8:44am
- coge
  
  Climate change.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:56am
- Nickc2
  
  Did the Police investigate? Probably not, it’s difficult to negotiate with the bros when silence pervades the scene eh.
  
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  December 31, 2021 1:16pm
Tauhei Notts

I visited my cow cocky mate who asked me to go with him and see his three bulls. They had done great work back in September-October and he was proud of them. They will be on good grass until next September. I kept one eye on the bulls and one eye on the nearest fence as I judged my escape route, which fortunately was not needed. I also thought that he would have been better to use the imported bull semen rather than service bulls, but did not mention that as he had some good brandy waiting at his home. While all that is going on I stepped on a few pats. Before partaking of the French brandy I washed my gumboots and thought;
“that is Covid 19 that I am washing off.”
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December 31, 2021 8:53am
- Biscuit
  
  Being a racing man, Tauhei, you’ll likely appreciate this.
  
  Sign on a bull’s paddock:
  
  Can you run from thus fence to that one over there in under 11 seconds? Our bull can…
  Enter at your own risk!
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:23am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Through modern scanning technology the three bulls had achieved a 98% conception rate, nothing my father’s stallions could ever achieve.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:05pm
Cassandra

A knighthood for Robert Gillies does seem a bit OTT, if it’s just for being the last man standing. Why not the last survivor of 23 Battalion or the LRDG or one of the NZEF’s major battles. Or the SAS in Malaya or 6 Pl B Coy ex Confrontation? Many of whom would be Maori and many not. Pretty clear it’s just another racist act by Labour which spoils it.
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December 31, 2021 8:54am
- Jack5
  
  Outside New Zealand, at least, the Long Range Desert Group wins in recognition over the Maori Battalion.
  
  There are 50 or more videos on YouTube celebrating the LRDG or its vehicles.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The French decided to make all surviving foreign WWI veterans who fought in France members of the Legion d’Honneur in 1998. This included several New Zealanders.
  
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  December 31, 2021 3:18pm
I remember when

There seems to be general agreement that the need is for first-home buyers to have a place in the housing market.
What is the answer?
Obviously wages must rise, compliance costs must be reduced and more houses built.
There is a lack of tradesmen, shortages of materials and a need for more local body staff to speed planning approvals.
Does this suggest that inflation may not be as short-term as Grant Robertson is suggesting.
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December 31, 2021 8:55am
- artemisia
  
  Don’t disagree IRW, but recent new policies are designed to discourage investors from buying or keeping existing properties to open the way for other buyers.
  
  That ‘strategy’ relies on investors buying new builds. Are they? There are fish hooks in new builds these days and property investors will generally have a very close eye on the numbers.
  
  The rental property market is a complex beast. Let’s call it balloon economics – poke one side and there’s a pop out somewhere else. Random.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:20am
TT500

My wish for 2022
A year without Michael Baker
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December 31, 2021 9:06am
- ecco
  
  I don’t find him the worst of the bunch. Wiles is much more irritating. Of course Baker is being supplied with his material from Hipkins office. I guess everyone has their price…
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And Hendy, and Plank, and Blofeld, and the pink terror
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:19am
- Col Selwyn
  
  add to that list “Dr” Wells and Hendys dodgy computer modeling
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  A week would be a welcome start.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:30am
- Biscuit
  
  Just the ONE year, TT500?
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:34am
KevO'Brien

The URL says it all. An excellent technical compilation of global situations.
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/12/pandemic-of-the-vaccinated/
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December 31, 2021 9:19am
- Fight4NZ
  
  Sure does. Joanna Nova = Sue Grey = barmy
  
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  December 31, 2021 7:14pm
I remember when

Seafood NZ: SNA8 – decisions that ignore the Science:
David Parker’s solution to the abundant snapper fishery on West Coast NI was to go with the most conservative ‘option one,’ shocking the Taranaki Fishing Community.
Keith Manson, Egmont Seafoods, says they would not necessarily have been happy with more generous ‘option two’ but would have lived with it.
However, the science showed huge snapper numbers off Taranaki, so they were expecting ‘option three’ or four.
We were all planning for a reasonable TACC increase, somewhere between 600-1000 tonnes, because that was the vibe from Fisheries NZ.
They come out with a pathetic 300 tonnes.
Minister David Parker acknowledged the snapper stocks are in ‘good heath’ and would continue to increase if catch limits were considerably higher.
Citing concerns from iwi and recreational fishers, he increased the annual limit by 300 tonnes to 1600 tonnes, rather than the 2600 tonnes hoped for.
Trying to avoid (catching) snapper in area 8 is not easy (creating bycatch problems).
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December 31, 2021 9:35am
Kiwi_in_Paris

Thought I better post this for those who think the jibby-jabs are the way out of the plandemic. Get those boosters into your arms!

Seems they are the way into a real pandemic?

Robert Koch Institute report released today states that 95.58% of the #Omicron cases in Germany are fully vaccinated (28% of those had a “booster”), 4.42% are unvaccinated.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476583826344267777
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December 31, 2021 9:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It’s not the infections that are a problem. It is serious illness and deaths.
  
  Germany has an unusually high number elderly unvaccinated. And with Delta, it was these unvaccinated people who filled the hospitals. What happens with omicron is too early to predict. Hospitalisations should be lower. Way lower. But those who end up in hospital will be disproportionately unvaccinated.
  
  https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/-omicron-is-dangerous-while-many-elderly-germans-aren-t-vaccinated-/2461656
  
  The other thing with Germany is the movements of the unvaccinated are severely restricted so it will be more difficult for them to become infected.
  
  Bottom line… Infection numbers will become irrelevant. We are all going to be infected. Watch for the hospitalisation data for vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maybe, maybe not. The stats have been so twisted it is very difficult to know what is happening elsewhere in the world. There is evidence showing that the jabs are not stopping hospitalisations.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-covid-vaccines-reducing-hospitalizations
    
    But the media keep lying to push the narrative. In the UK the mainstream newspapers are lying and claiming there have been 500 children hospitalised with covid. It’s a lie. It’s blatant misinformation. When you dig below the headline you find this.
    
    “The definition used to identify a hospital admission with coronavirus is that someone either tested positive for the virus in the 14 days before their admission, or during their stay in hospital. It could mean someone goes into hospital for a non-COVID reason and later tests positive.”
    
    https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/30/coronavirus-fact-check-14-no-500-children-were-not-admitted-to-hospital-with-covid-this-week/
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:04pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      The stats have not been twisted.
      
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      December 31, 2021 1:08pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        How many examples do you need? How much proof do you need? The stats have been utterly distorted to sell a narrative. Or do you still think someone shot and testing positive for covid is a covid death?
        You are deluded, the statistics are a lie.
        
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        January 1, 2022 12:46am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Yeah
        
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        January 1, 2022 1:25am
  - 2ic
    
    “Watch for the hospitalisation data for vaccinated vs unvaccinated.”
    
    The metric I’m much more interested in is all-cause mortality, as that’s the only way to factor in both the protection the vaccines offer against Covid and the harm they are causing with adverse events.
    
    I for one aren’t convinced in the case for the vaccines. Even Pfizer’s own trial of 22,000 vaccinated vs 22,000 unvaccinated over 6 months had more deaths in the vaccinated group:
    
    https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download
    Page 23: “From Dose 1 through the March 13, 2021 data cutoff date, there were a total of 38
    deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY group and 17 in the placebo group”
    
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    December 31, 2021 1:28pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      So your conclusion presumably is in a sample of 44000 difference in deaths and as a total is statistically insignificant. Incontrovertible evidence of vaccine safety.
      
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      December 31, 2021 7:26pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The statistics have been twisted and contorted to tell a narrative that is a lie. That is now without doubt. But useful idiots still tune in to RNZ and the BBC and think they are being told the truth.
        You’ll get work it out eventually then you’ll deny it. It won’t matter, the truth will still be the truth.
        
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        January 1, 2022 12:52am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Only by antivaxxers.
        The truth is already the facts.
        
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        January 1, 2022 1:22am
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    “It’s not the infections that are a problem.”
    
    What a remarkable statement, considering this whole pandemic agenda was based upon cases, even before there were “tests”.
    
    The narrative is fueled by the cases.
    
    You are living in a country that closed its borders and decimated its economy due to cases.
    
    Hospitalizations and deaths did not really take off until people were vaccinated (in most countries).
    
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    December 31, 2021 8:33pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Not in Europe if i recall.
      
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      December 31, 2021 9:47pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Or New York.
        
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        December 31, 2021 9:52pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  71% fully vaxed, 37% with booster. So fully vaxed without booster are 34% of the population but 68% of those hospitalised. Seems rather extraordinary. Be nice to see age distribution. Also jab and infection history.
  
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  December 31, 2021 3:32pm
Jack5

Harlene Hayne, former vice-chancellor of Otago University in the New Year honours becomes a “companion” of the New Zealand Order of Merit.

In October, it was reported Hayne was moving to Curtin University, Perth.

Someone may tell us whether Hayne was reponsible for the race-based entry system to the Otago Medical School. This means that non-Maori (or non-refugee, or non-Pacific Islander) candidates have to be super-super bright to have a chance of entry.

Parents have challenged this discriminatory admission legally.

Hayne announced in September that that the challenge will be “strenuously opposed.”

Her statement was made jointly, with three other university officials, including its director for Maori development, Tuari Potiki, and its director for Pacific development, Tasileta Teevale. The fourth official was “pro vice chancellor” Paul Brunton.

They said limiting special category entrants would “slow the rate at which a representative health workforce could be achieved”.
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December 31, 2021 9:48am
- kevn
  
  @Jack5… Never mind the quality. Just make the numbers. Fail.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Bloody hell. Imagine if that happened with airline pilot training. While I have not looked closely, I do not recall ever coming across a Maori Air New Zealand pilot. And I have had hundreds of flights.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:04am
  - Observer of Life
    
    There are pilots who are Maori. But they have to pass the training/SIMs like every other version of pilot. Thank God!!!
    
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    December 31, 2021 1:14pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    “I do not recall ever coming across a Maori Air New Zealand pilot” The NZ definition for being Maori is a person with a Maori ancestor, therefore many people who are “Maori” may not look Maori.
    
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    December 31, 2021 2:31pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    They are there BY. And in some numbers.
    
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    December 31, 2021 3:58pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I find it mind boggling that anyone would care about the ethnicity of their doctor. My only proviso would be a doctor with terrible English language skills.
  
  My doctor is of Chinese ethnicity. But that is simply because he was the first available in the neighbourhood when I moved to Christchurch.
  
  I commented below on the airline analogy. It would be inconceivable for Air New Zealand, or a flight school, to favour pilots of an ethnicity.
  
  Why is there not an outcry about such idiocy from Otago?
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:14am
  - marcw
    
    Nearly all of us in NZ have ever been worried about the ethnicity of our medical professionals, they are just that, professionals. However the smug woke academics in charge at Otago are totally doing their best to ensure that ethnicity will be a problem for us in the future. Within their own little “saviour complex” environment they cannot see that in ten years from now certain ethnicities who graduated from their institution will be discriminated against, not just in their patient practices, but also by their peers. That is what happens when you patronise a racial group and belittle their ability to succeed on merit in order to alter reality.
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There probably is an outcry Benedict, but as we know, only a permitted narrative approved by the princess gets any airtime. The rest of us are screaming in the dark.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’ve always thought it strange that admission to medical school was considered by so many to be the pinnacle of academic achievement for pupils leaving secondary school. Some areas of endeavour may be best served by selecting the highest marks in competitive exams, but there are other methods.
  For example, Malcolm Gladwell had a couple of interesting podcasts about the use of the LSAT for entry to the most prestigious US law schools. Seems like the top law schools might not even be selecting the people likely to be the best lawyers.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:45am
  - Ed Snack
    
    That could be because the entry to those law schools may be ostensibly about their SAT scores, but these days other factors predominate. The most important qualifier is race (and if you want to get in, avoid being white or especially, avoid being “Asian” aka Chinese) followed by whether one of one’s parents attended the school, then other minority markers such as gender ID and the like, and then politics.
    
    That qualifies the majority of students, and for the few places left SAT may have an impact.
    
    And ther is one other, sometimes very important qualifier, can your parents make a hefty contribution to the said school, that alone can overpower almost any other disqualifiers except the wrong combination of race and politics.
    
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    December 31, 2021 7:13pm
Yvette

He Puapua
The promise of Te Tiriti, couched as it was in the language of chiefly gift exchange, was to enhance the mana of all the parties, and to bring people and their tikanga together as equals, as Ture 3 clearly states – a future based on reciprocity and mutual respect.

With He Puapua and its critics, however, the Government has lost sight of this promise – as also happened after Te Tiriti was signed, leading to racial antagonism, violent conflict, and bitter and lasting anger. By focusing debates around Te Tiriti on this document, the Government has gone down a rabbit hole, with no ready exit in sight. History should teach us not to keep on making the same mistakes.
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December 31, 2021 10:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Most Pakeha have no awareness of Polynesian cultural behaviour. Putting one over is good because it saves a physical encounter. Trust provides opportunity for deceit. That game they play among themselves and the unknowing.
  
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  December 31, 2021 12:40pm
Maggie Pie

i’m TRENDING 😀

Welcome back! What a fab week it’s been.
Sun, Sea, Sand, Food, Wine. And didn’t have to cook any of it myself. Must have tried about ten or more different Restaurants between Gulf Harbor and Omaha. God only knows what the poor people were doing for Christmas.

Talking of Omaha, thank goodness we don’t have a place there! Full of poseurs these days. It’s become like a 70’s housing estate. Little weatherboard shacks everywhere. I mean, who would want to live in a street miles from the beach named after a fish? ‘TUNA PL’ for instance. LOL!! Most of them are like that.

Got an Inflatable Paddle Board for Xmas from my partner. Blows up from the cigar-lighter in the Q5. Looks just like a proper one. Never got to stand up. Not that easy in heels. So just laid on it paddling along the shoreline with my hands. But you should see the Tan I’ve got! Everyone reckons I look silly now in my ‘WHITE SUPREMACY’ tee shirt.

We’re going to one of the girls from tennis’s place for New Year. They’ve got about 40 coming over. Putting on a professional fireworks display at midnite. I’m due to head over that way after lunch to help Fleur distribute a letter into the surrounding neighbors letterboxes, warning them to keep their pets inside when the crackers start.
That’s what we love about Remmers….. people always thinking about others.
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December 31, 2021 10:19am
- artemisia
  
  Missed you Maggie Pie. BTW ever read the book Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz? One for sorrow, two for joy ….
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:24am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I haven’t read it tbh arty.
    Know the rhyme off by heart tho. Three for a girl.. 😛
    See where they’re making a film of it as well. A 6-part series by the BBC. Must keep an eye out.
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:14am
- ecco
  
  Some houses in Omaha are quite nice. I thought.
  
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  December 31, 2021 10:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes…there’s a few mansions tucked away in the sand dunes.
    JK sold his one there to the ANZ CEO for about 10 mill my partner reckons. Thinks it was the same guy who bought the place out at St Heliers on the cheap from the Bank as well.
    Only problem is, at Omaha you’re surrounded by every man and his dog. We had a walk along the beach. People everywhere!
    Hardly your exclusive enclave 🙁
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:22am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m sure you are only a few years away from giving up your imaginary beach house in favour of buying your own imaginary private island.
      Meanwhile, I trust your tennis friend has warned the good folk of Otahuhu to keep their pets inside.
      
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      December 31, 2021 11:37am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Oh don’t say you ‘reported’ my response milkey?
        You give it but can’t take it 😀
        
        Big SOOK!
        
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        December 31, 2021 1:07pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Almost sailed into Omaha beach one dark night thinking it was the channel by Kawau till I saw the depth sounder wasn’t reading what it should. Funny thing was a trawler towing its net without any lights was in there too. Pretty sure it shouldn’t have been.
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:28am
  - Nickc2
    
    I love Omaha too. Sailing past it heading North that is.
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Much more economical to trawl inshore than waste expensive fuel going to and from your quota area…
    
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    December 31, 2021 11:38am
    - marleybob
      
      That would have to be one of your top 10 stupidest comments, and you have had a few of them.
      
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      December 31, 2021 3:30pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Please justify the use of the name you have chosen? And then the comment.
        
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        January 1, 2022 1:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Omaha gets lots of Bronze Whalers there after all the fish at the back of the surf break.
    
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    December 31, 2021 12:13pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Standing up on an inflateable paddle board in HEELS? A punctured paddle board would be just about as bad as pump-up boobs, Maggie. 😆
  
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  December 31, 2021 11:29am
- Ed Snack
  
  Maggie, a Q5, why the downgrade, or is that just shorthand for an RSQ5 ? I always saw you more as a Q7 type though really, the sheer size is intimidating on the road, though parking without the automated facility can be a drag.
  
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  December 31, 2021 7:17pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYn_x4-uJ1g

The Best of Brian Stelter / Mark Dice Impressions.

Several minutes of Gender Neutral Potato Head. [8:48. I used to think that was his actual voice. No kidding.]
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December 31, 2021 11:51am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FelsP5bUjUM/

Marjorie Taylor Greene Calls for National Divorce between Red and Blue States!

Marjorie Taylor Greene is calling for a national divorce, saying that we need to protect red states from, in her words, ‘shithole’ blue states! That’s right! In this video, we’re going to look at MTG’s comments about a national divorce, we’re going to see how hypocritical Democrats are pathetically responding, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal what the future for blue and red states really is! [10:44. This scenario is playing out globally. America is not immune to it.]
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December 31, 2021 11:52am
Rusty

Don’t we have any DJs in this country instead of getting a Pom who got special MIQ treatment and then brings omicron into NZ?

What a farce.
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December 31, 2021 11:59am
Lucia Maria

Can anyone confirm this?

https://twitter.com/debipearl11/status/1476674508412973067

A certain street on Tairua estuary now closed off while PM is in residence. Neighbours asked to vacate their homes for security staff and all residents now have to have a security pass to get into the street. John Key never closed his street down ever.
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December 31, 2021 12:21pm
- Reid
  
  Perhaps the new police social media monitoring team has picked up some dissatisfactory chatter along the lines of Jacinda is a bitch and no-one likes her so the DPS security team has gone into permanent high alert.
  
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  December 31, 2021 1:31pm
- alex Masterley
  
  She may be at Mum and Dads place, according to my man in Tairua.
  
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  December 31, 2021 2:56pm
  - mawm
    
    She’s bought a house there.
    
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    December 31, 2021 6:02pm
KevO'Brien

What law would allow a PM to commandeer a street? That feels like corruption.

(Oh well, activists are allowed now to occupy what they fancy if they want your land title.)
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December 31, 2021 12:49pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  The vacating of the neighbour’s homes for security staff is incredible! I used to live across the road from John Howard’s house in Australia, never experienced security like that!
  
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  December 31, 2021 2:38pm
Maggie Pie

Sounds like SKIPPY having another of his little ‘jokes’ 😀

Stuff reporting him yesterday @16:07 as saying –

“People were being granted border exemptions to do ‘specific jobs’ and ‘valuable things’ for New Zealand”

He went on to say, “……bi and large people entering the country were following the rules”

SO, do we take it then that straight, skinny people, aren’t?

Asking for a friend.
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December 31, 2021 1:21pm
Tony Stuart

Dear Immigration New Zealand

You can forget about giving essential border exemptions to British DJ’s. We’ve got a perfectly good one here, and his name is DJ Ash 😀

https://twitter.com/i/status/1476691085912993798

(Kudos to whoever is responsible for the video; it’s sick, as the young people say… )
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December 31, 2021 1:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Before the cock crows thrice, you will disown me”
  
  – Luke 22:59-62
  
  https://twitter.com/Suitandtie9999/status/1476489296886468609
  
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  December 31, 2021 1:50pm
  - Nickc2
    
    How’s she going to wriggle out this? Who’s she going to throw under the bus this time? Might be a gift to the nation if the one thrown under the bus was herself.
    
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    December 31, 2021 2:13pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    You really don’t know how to read between the lines, do you?
    
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    December 31, 2021 5:30pm
Little Tons

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127409630/covid19-fleurs-place-to-close-indefinitely-after-half-of-staff-refuse-vaccine”

I dont know why I even bothered reading it, but just further testimony of how badly skewed the messaging is by the faithful. she puts up a sign at her entrance saying she is closed till anti vaxer change their minds, get the jab and get back to work…. REALLY? what gives her the right to claim they are even anti vax, they are more likely anti mandates…. And, more importantly, they didn’t close down her restaurant, Cindy and her traffic light did that. what rubbish reporting, but what does anyone expect from stuffed.
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December 31, 2021 1:50pm
Stu2

The covid numbers in NSW are starting to produce a lot of hospitalisations, but nothing like the numbers there would have been with Delta infections.

The hospitalisation peak was 1253 back in Sept.
The recent numbers (total covid hospitalisations) have been:
24/12 388
25/12 458
26/12 520
27/12 557
28/12 625
29/12 746
30/12 832

The recent daily case numbers:
24/12 6,288
25/12 6,394
26/12 6,324
27/12 6,062
28/12 11,021
29/12 12,226
30/12 21,151

The ICU numbers are not dramatic:
24/12 52
52
55
60
61
63
30/12 69

Looks like this is heading well past the previous hospitalisation peak, despite 93%+ eligible double vaxxed.

They had capacity problems at the previous peak (queues of ambulances looking for somewhere to admit their patients) but I can’t remember if that was ordinary beds or ICU beds. That delta outbreak was concentrated in the west/south-west of Sydney. This might be more general.
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December 31, 2021 1:52pm
ClanMcleod

How to confuse a shitlib in America.

Voter ID is racist!!
ID for eating out is essential!!
My head hurts!!

You need to show ID to eat!!
What if we put voting booths in the restaurant??!!
My head really hurts!!

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/your-papers-please
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December 31, 2021 2:01pm
Yvette

⬥ There were 49 new COVID-19 infections in New Zealand on New Year’s Eve – but no sign of Omicron in the community, keeping fears over an outbreak of the variant at bay for now.

⬥ World reacts to UK DJ Dimension bringing New Zealand its first community Omicron case
International media is reporting on New Zealand’s fury at our first community Omicron case – international electronica DJ Dimension.

Like in the case of the innocent KFC worker, how long before Ardern doesn’t apologise to British DJ Robert Etheridge
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December 31, 2021 2:02pm
Pharmachick

Further to yesterday’s post, meet Charles de Bock. Born and raised in NZ, IIRC he went to Whanganui Boys. He holds a BSc in Pharmacology from the University of Auckland, and won the top prize in pharmacology that year (1998). I knew him as “Charlie” but it’s been a long time, we graduated in the same class. The rest is his to tell:

https://www.ccia.org.au/blog/meet-new-team-leader-dr-charles-de-bock
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December 31, 2021 2:20pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Correction, Charlie won the Pharmacology Prize, but his BSc is in Molecular Medicine. Sorry, it’s been a while.
  
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  December 31, 2021 2:23pm
Pharmachick

Okay, one last one for today. This is Stuart Laurence, born and raised in Tauranga (Bethlehem to be exact). I last saw Stu in 2006 at my wedding (to the ex-Mr Pharma, of whom he is a great friend). Unfortunately he doesn’t speak to me since the divorce. Stu is an actual rocket scientist. He is also a polymath (see the education list) and one of the most caring people I’ve ever met.

https://aero.umd.edu/clark/faculty/45/Stuart-J-Laurence

The “related news” tab is interesting, it doesn’t yet list his DARPA Young Faculty award.
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December 31, 2021 2:35pm
Little Tons

some holiday reading… lots of waffle, and lots of syrup, yet devoid of details on the programs that this is tech is intended to be used on, and just what the ‘digital’ inputs are that are taken from individuals that need to be utilized… to trust them.

Contributors to the WEF NZ AI white paper…. http://www.antistaticpartners.com/projects

https://digitalcouncil.govt.nz/advice/reports/towards-trustworthy-and-trusted-automated-decision-making-in-aotearoa/

when the day comes that AI determines the outcome of your custody battle, what corrective medications you need to consume, or uses the entire browser history from you entire life and tracking down every comment on every comment board to determine your suitability to participate in society or even hold down a stupid joe job…… it will be way too late to fix this over-reach.
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December 31, 2021 2:44pm
greybeard

Happy New Year everyone.
I look forward to 2022 as being the year of “New Zealand”, not “Aotearoa”.
And we inhabitants as “New Zealanders”, not euphemistic “kiwis”.
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December 31, 2021 3:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The left tried to cancel him – BOOM!!
I feel so sad.
https://rumble.com/vro3au-nascar-driver-who-inspired-lets-go-brandon-chant-announces-epic-new-lgb-car.html?
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December 31, 2021 3:14pm
tavita

Bloody minded officialdom
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/127404291/perching-parrot-cafe-has-outdoor-dining-licence-suspended-after-opting-out-of-my-vaccine-pass
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December 31, 2021 3:31pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300488868/rogel-aguileramederos-110year-prison-sentence-reduced-after-decision-from-governor
110 years!
However, it could have been worse, it could have been for life.
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December 31, 2021 3:37pm
Pharmachick

I see the annual Whangamata youf riots kicked off with a wee bit of bottle throwing on the undercard in Williamson Park last night. Main event tonight?
??

Actually I’ve been reliably informed that the Police are actively patrolling. Good on them, foot patrol is an excellent deterrent.

I remember the mid 90s… one time even when a telegraph pole got dragged down and shoved through the picture window of a beach-front house, like a battering ram. Wasn’t a good look. The NIMBYs that have had events in Williamson Park cancelled the last few years should bear some responsibility – it was much better in the 00s and 10s because they had something to direct their energy to. Which is definitely NOT excusing drunken, rioting idiots. But y’all know the old saying about an ounce of prevention and a pound of cure…
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December 31, 2021 3:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Pharma, vaxxed and card carrying…sorted.
  
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  December 31, 2021 5:54pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Touché, my friend.
    
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    December 31, 2021 6:19pm
TT500

Just wondering
If you were going to have a summer wedding and
all of a sudden, your fave DJ was a no show

You could always call up that old rocker H1
and have Pete D do the lights
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December 31, 2021 4:05pm
Ra Henare

4pm and very little on this blog about the new covid spread.
The question I have and cant find answers to.
If its so bloody infectious why hasnt any of the DJs close contacts tested positive.
Same question for the Air NZ flight crew.

So…my logic suggests.
They had a false positive
or
Its not that infectious.
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December 31, 2021 4:09pm
Warren

When will Jacinda the Prime Minister and the Police Minister wake up to the fact that being kind to criminals doesn’t work and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that Gangs are dangerous.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dangerous-bikers-swarm-central-auckland-smash-police-patrol-car/F2YZLBIHCVL6XPUR57CDKVRQ4M/
You give them a inch and they will take a mile and today proved it when dangerous bikers swarmed Auckland today and smashed a petrol [patrol] car.
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December 31, 2021 4:39pm
Fletch

Very good interview by Liz Gunn of Steve Oliver of Oliver MMA in Auckland, who were the first business to be fined $12,000 for not complying with the Covid mandate rubbish.

https://odysee.com/@FreeNZ:d/In-Conversation-with-Steve-Oliver-:7

He basically says it like it is. “I’m not changing [my business] for someone who works in a fish and chip shop and becomes our Prime Minister.” He’s a fighter and will never stop. “Guys, we’re not going back to normal. Unless we make it go back to normal […] We should be outraged as a people.”
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December 31, 2021 4:50pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  He’s 100% correct. You cannot and will never comply your way out of tyranny and we are in tyranny right now.
  
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  January 1, 2022 12:59am
- Fight4NZ
  
  It was normal for 18 months while the rest of the the world was paralysed. You can remember that part right?
  It will be again especially with 95+% vaxxer.
  
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  January 1, 2022 1:45am
Maggie Pie

Back home now and getting ready for the party.
Called into my fave boutique to buy a new Tee for tonite.
Got the last Sz8 they had.
The one thing you always notice on the Remuera Strip, is that you never see any fat, or unattractive women shopping there. Just saying.

HAPPY NEW YEAR to all!! 😀
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December 31, 2021 4:51pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Not you then, Maggie?
  
  https://images.app.goo.gl/RLLY4Fp3K8aXbmhT7
  
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  December 31, 2021 5:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL….. I’m Blonde silly!!
    
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    December 31, 2021 5:13pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Mrs Al is legally Blonde too but she hides it well.
      
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      December 31, 2021 6:32pm
- Biscuit
  
  Welcome home, Maggie.
  
  No party here, but we have a littlie sleeping over tonight who wants to watch the second ‘Home Alone’ movie.
  
  I shall cheer for the ‘Wet Bandits’.
  
  SURELY they learned from their mistakes in the original film and won’t underestimate that little blond brat again?
  
  Best wishes to you, to your partner, to your (or his?) Ma, and -indeed – to every Kiwi Blogger for the New Year.
  
  With special greetings to DPF, to his mods and to Kokila Patel for loading this page each day…
  
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  December 31, 2021 5:14pm
  - Inandout
    
    Biscuit, I learnt every line of Thomas The Tank Engine with littlies, then they progressed to Black Books. Miss those times.
    
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    December 31, 2021 5:52pm
ecco

$tuffed and Ferald clearly been told to lay off the dj. Not getting in to him like they did the Wanaka couple. Absolutely no commentary on that incident on their websites today. Why not?

Maybe that rumour on the tax payers union Facebook group that the dj is Clarke Gayford’s mate is correct and edict has been issued to ‘cease coverage’ of matter.

Alternatively maybe it’s totally infeasible that someone could get 4 negative tests and then test positive with omicron. So better not draw attention to this dilemma.
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December 31, 2021 5:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300488948/extremely-dangerous-driving-as-large-group-of-dirt-bikers-ride-across-auckland
Surely it is time that that such cretins are opposed with some sort of extreme force?
They know nothing else, so why hold back?
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December 31, 2021 6:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Extreme force under woke Coster? Hahaha
  
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