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mikenmildagain

Happy St Piran’s Day!
St Piran is, of course, the patron saint of Cornwall. Apart from the usual amusing legends associated with these demi-gods, Wikipedia reports the entertaining fact that there is little description of specific traditions associated with this day apart from the consumption of large amounts of alcohol and food during ‘Perrantide’, the week leading up to 5 March.
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March 5, 2022 8:00am
- rockape
  
  My last job in the RAF as a regular and later on the reserve was to command the County of Cornwall SQN I got our badge approved by the Royal College of Heraldry, it involved theSt pirans cross. “ In 1988 the Squadron was accorded the rare privilege of the Freedom of Newquay, and on several occasions exercised the right to Parade through the Town with bayonets fixed, the last time on 4 October 2006. The Badge of 2625 Squadron that received Royal Approval in 1989 shows a bayonet superimposed on the cross of St Piran, the patron saint of Cornwall. The Squadron motto was Onen Hag Ol (One and All).
  You have given me the excuse to crack a bottle of good red tonight. Thanks for bringing the memory.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Thank you for your service Rockape
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:16am
  - Jim
    
    Up the Regiment, cheers.
    
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    March 5, 2022 4:42pm
- Biscuit
  
  SEVEN (to date) people have downticked that?
  
  What could you possibly see in those two paragraphs to think ‘Oh, that irritates my nipples greatly. I must downtick!’?
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:06am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Because in his usual manner, milky turned his initially good comment into a mockery.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:25am
    - kowtow
      
      Exactly .
      
      he’s trolling Xtians and mocking western civilisation .
      
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      March 5, 2022 12:43pm
      - Mike
        
        What’s to mock about a saint whose first disciples were a badger, a fox and a bear? These legends mock themselves.
        
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        March 5, 2022 1:26pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    The conflation of saints with demigods and the ‘usual legends’ snark from a commenter who routinely represents the woke, socialist, valueless, anti-Western, anti-Christian Left.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:35pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

One brings two. RIP Marshy and Warney
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March 5, 2022 8:00am
- skyblue
  
  Will there be a hatrick?
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:33am
  - mawm
    
    There’s a lot of “heart attacks” going around.
    
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    March 5, 2022 2:44pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I see the Aussie great runner Handy who was the opposing pre 4 minute miler to Bannister died also
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:18am
  - Cassandra
    
    Landy?
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, sorry , I am working on my predictive texting problem, but don’t pick all mistakes up
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:54am
NeverMindTheBollocks

For all you Geordies out there

The poor old Saudis. You finally put in a winning bid for that old restoration project on eBay and the next day a fully restored cut price one gets listed.
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March 5, 2022 8:01am
Kiwi_in_Paris

I guess people have heard about Shane Warne by now. I just this minute Googlied him.
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March 5, 2022 8:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He was travelling, I wonder if DVT was the cause of heart attack, it’s a serious due that people do not take serious enough.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:19am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    G – He won’t be stuck in the middle seat of the last row in cattle class like you and me. He would have traveled first class. Where is the chance of DVT there?
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:01pm
    - MCōs
      
      Same as anywhere else. It’s not moving round that’s the problem.
      
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      March 5, 2022 3:33pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Not quite. Elevated legs help lessen the risk. For cattle class simple things like pressure stockings, aspirin and, like you say, movement are all helpful
        
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        March 5, 2022 8:48pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Was he vaccinated?
    
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    March 5, 2022 5:11pm
    - Scooter
      
      Twice and then got covid in Aug last year.
      
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/shane-warne-when-australian-great-revealed-that-he-was-put-on-ventilator-during-battle-with-covid19-101646405690379-amp.html
      
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      March 5, 2022 8:02pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Googlied? Very good.
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:24pm
krazykiwi

Bayer executive enthusing about the ‘success’ of mRNA injectable products:

“If we had surveyed 2 years ago if people were willing to take gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body we would have probably had a 95% refusal rate.
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March 5, 2022 8:08am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  They probably would still have 95% refusal if everyone taking it knew that’s what it is. If you asked most recipients, I doubt they would know this fact.
  
  BTW, isn’t “the vaccines are gene therapy” a conspiracy theory?
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:40am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes. The word ‘vaccine’ carries with it a sense of safety, diligent medical research and certainty of outcome as a result of years of clinical trials. The very good reputation of existing vaccines has been besmirched by these injectables, and the whole fiasco has shown up agencies charged with protecting public health as at best horribly inept, or at worst dangerously captured.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:21am
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Do you have some inborn predilection for grasping the wrong end of the stick?
      
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      March 5, 2022 12:41pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Do you have an argument to make?
        
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        March 5, 2022 1:42pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Do inform us what the right end of the stick is. Cheers.
        
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        March 5, 2022 5:12pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    This should be very alarming:
    
    “An international treaty on pandemic prevention and preparedness.”
    
    “The COVID-19 pandemic is a global challenge. No single government or institution can address the threat of future pandemics alone.”
    
    https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/coronavirus/pandemic-treaty/
    
    Yet another planned removal of sovereignty and increase in centralised control, with no consultation of those affected (i.e. everyone on Earth). Also, yet another “win” for the conspiracy theorists.
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:02pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Just put on your tinfoil hat, the WHO rays won’t get through that. Promise.
      
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      March 5, 2022 12:44pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You do realise how idiotic that comment shows you to be?
        
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        March 5, 2022 5:14pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Doc you believe what the mainstream media, big tech and Wikipedia tell you? ??
        
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        March 5, 2022 8:36pm
    - mawm
      
      Another bunch of unelected bodies wanting to make me obey them “for my own good”. This will not end well!
      
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      March 5, 2022 2:50pm
- Jim
  
  Yep our eyes are open all right, to the potential tyranny of (so called liberal) democratic governments.
  This recent enlightening interview with ex Supreme Court Judge Lord Jonathan Sumption describes how the UK Gov LIED to the people about the morbidity risk of C19, in order to authorise lockdowns. Yet in the UK even the NHS workers are NOT subject to a vaccine mandate, because the science doesn’t support it!
  
  https://youtu.be/HQS0NL6NEEw
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:52pm
artemisia

Considering the multiple points of view evident during the Parliament grounds protest, two separate POVs stand out – mandates v (a different definition of) democracy.

Reminds me of someone when seeing two women shouting at each other across a narrow street – “Those women will never agree, they are arguing from different premises”.
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March 5, 2022 8:11am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  In the case of the Parliament protests, it wasn’t two women arguing – one of the women refused to even make an appearance.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:43am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    and that women still has > 40% support and odds onto lead a third term Labour-Green gummit in 2023.
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:02pm
    - Sideoiler
      
      and that women still has > 40% support and odds onto lead a third term Labour-Green gummit in 2023.
      
      I wouldn’t be too sure of that.
      I would imagine that the performance by Costers Comando’s will not have gone down well with many people and support for labour will take a bit of a dump.
      
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      March 5, 2022 12:50pm
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Sideoiler – Let us wait and see what the next opinion polls says.
        
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        March 5, 2022 3:27pm
      - MCōs
        
        Don’t fool yourself
        
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        March 5, 2022 3:35pm
Gravelroad

RIP Rod Marsh and now Shane Warne.
Txt me Shane.
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March 5, 2022 8:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  Warne’s last tweet was to lament Marsh’ passing. Within hours he was dead.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:31am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Well, the tweet must have killed him, if we are to believe contemporary reasoning as to cause of death.
    
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    March 5, 2022 10:45am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Already, I have seen Warne’s death blamed on Pfizer. What goes through some people’s heads that they post such batshit crazy conspiracy theories before the bloke’s body has even cooled down?
    
    For the record, Warne smoked four packets a day at his “prime”, and even until yesterday, still loved a dart and a meat pie. On one tour to the sub-continent, he had a case of tinned spaghetti sent out, and that was all he ate all tour. . That was part of Warne’s popularity; average people could identify with him, and he never forgot where he came from. But he was probably never going to make old bones.
    
    What fan of cricket though will ever forget the moment he announced his arrival on cricket’s global stage, with his first delivery of the Ashes, no less:
    
    https://youtu.be/s3V-sYH0Sks
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:46am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Unless Warne had a family history of heart disease, I would suggest his interest in ‘recreational chemicals’ is the likely culprit.
      
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      March 5, 2022 12:59pm
      - Mike
        
        Tobacco and alcohol being the most dangerous. But I suspect you meant a different insult to a man fresly dead.
        
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        March 5, 2022 1:32pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Poor milky. Did I offend your delicate sensitivities? Warne was sent home from the 2003 World Cup after testing positive to a banned diuretic (typically used to mask detection of cocaine). The worlds best spin bowler, and a not-so-good role model.
        
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        March 5, 2022 2:23pm
    - Mike
      
      Some people can’t help being mean. Warne was a great cricketer and raconteur.
      
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      March 5, 2022 1:30pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        “Some people can’t help being mean.”
        
        Pots and kettles, eh Mike?
        
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        March 5, 2022 1:59pm
- Nookin
  
  Thompson, Lillee, Marsh. Selectors would give their eye teeth for them. Add Warnie and you are nigh on unbeatable.
  My enduring memory of Marsh is when he walked toward the stumps, arms out, telling Chappell not to do it. Marsh was a good guy. Tough, fair and great to watch.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And he had the beer record between Sydney and London before Boonie took it
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:21am
  - krazykiwi
    
    There was also that video of him cavorting with a brace of semi-naked young ladies. He might have had a problem with his ticker, but apparently no problem with his pecker.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:24am
    - MCōs
      
      Covid is making you delirious.
      It was Warne photographed with the almost naked young ladies, not Marsh.
      
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      March 5, 2022 3:41pm
  - Nickc2
    
    A worthy legend!
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:35am
  - pdm
    
    Marsh – known as Iron Gloves in his day.
    
    I read he following somewhere – may have been the 1977 Ashes Tour that during the series. Marsh let through 28 byes while Alan Knott the England keeper failed to take two balls in the whole series cleanly.
    
    Not sure if it is true or not.
    
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    March 5, 2022 1:15pm
septic skeptic

Hypothetical question. Imagine an alien spaceship lands outside your house tonight. You go to investigate and a little green man climbs out and says “take me to your leader!”
What would you do?
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March 5, 2022 8:17am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Introduce him to the cat?
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:37am
  - Don Beckett
    
    That’d make more sense than to Jabinda.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:29am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Since he is a Green man, I will take him to James Frog Shaw…but…wait…Shaw is a women…May be to Maramaramarama.
  
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  March 5, 2022 12:05pm
- Pavel
  
  Hand him a Bible.
  
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  March 5, 2022 12:35pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “We don’t have one. When would you like to start?”
  
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  March 5, 2022 2:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ask “Say, are you here to vote for Jaspinda and Labour?”
  “How many of you are there?”
  
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  March 5, 2022 2:57pm
- MCōs
  
  Worry about it when it happens.
  
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  March 5, 2022 3:43pm
In Vino Veritas

Vale Shane Warne. RIP the greatest spin bowler of all time. Absurdly talented, turned it at right angles with the control of a finger spinner. Genius.
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March 5, 2022 8:20am
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Newshub has wheeled out “leading surgeon” Dr Richard Stubbs who seems to think that vaccine mandates are the best thing since sliced bread. He’s a leading surgeon like Lance Armstrong is a leading cyclist.

Frankly, Dr Stubbs’ views are not worth a pinch of salt. He is someone with a history of performing gastric bypass surgery. He’s also repeatedly compromised patient safety by failing to give them relevant and important information. Couldn’t Newshub find a doctor who believes in informed consent? I suspect Newshub approached genuine experts to comment on vaccine mandates, but couldn’t fine one prepared to gild the lily. Pathetic.

A Wellington surgeon who has been the subject of numerous complaints about failing to properly inform patients has been ordered to pay more than $100,000 in fines and costs after the death of a patient.

Richard Stubbs, a specialist at Wakefield Hospital treating liver cancer and obesity, was found guilty by the Health Practitioners’ Disciplinary Tribunal of professional misconduct over the care he provided to a patient who died in February 2006 after an operation for gastric bypass surgery.

Prof Stubbs and the hospital had unsuccessfully applied for name suppression.

Since 14 February 2022, the number of unvaccinated people hospitalised with Covid has risen by 27%. Over the same period, the number of fully vaccinated people hospitalised with Covid has risen by 910 percent. Strangely, Dr Stubbs (and Newshub) forgot to mention that.

All District Health Boards in New Zealand offer free influenza vaccination to staff. In 2012, approximately 48% of all employees received an influenza vaccination. … It has been suggested that annual influenza vaccination should be compulsory for all health care workers in New Zealand, unless medically contraindicated. However, compulsory approaches do not necessarily gain the highest coverage, and at present there is limited evidence to support the clinical justification of this stance. … There is mixed evidence as to whether influenza vaccination among health care staff reduces transmission of influenza to patients.”

Only half of DHB employees receive the flu vaccine, and it’s not clear if it reduces transmission from employees to patients. Judging by the huge increase in hospitalisations of fully vaccinated people with Covid, it’s highly likely that fully vaccinated DHB employees are transmitting Covid to patients. It’s worth noting that many patients with Covid are unwell not because of Covid but in spite of it. In fact, many people that have Covid are asymptomatic. The focus on hospitalisations by Dr Stubbs and others is naive.

The arguments for vaccine mandates simply don’t stack up.

https://bpac.org.nz/BPJ/2012/December/docs/bpj_49_dec2012.pdf

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4042151/Surgeon-to-pay-109-000-after-patient-death

https://www.hdc.org.nz/decisions/search-decisions/2010/09hdc01870/

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/03/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-leading-surgeon-says-kiwis-blissfully-unaware-about-importance-of-vaccine-mandates.html
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March 5, 2022 8:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  There was never a justification for mandates or passes. Now we have empirical evidence of that fact. This is a pandemic of the vaccinated.
  
  How do you compensate those who have lost their jobs, businesses, relationships, friendships? How do I go back to places that turned me away as an underclass when I had done nothing wrong? How does anyone “forgive and forget”? How is it possible that these mandates and passes are still in place? How is it possible that they are still promoting boosters for delta when it is omicron running rampant through the vaccinated? Why is the media not asking these glaring questions instead of giving column inches to government shills?
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:55am
  - mawm
    
    There is no place for vaccine passes (QR codes) and the longer their use is supported the more difficult it will become to get rid of them. Social Credit Scores and digital currency need a base and once implemented governments will have total control.
    
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    March 5, 2022 3:02pm
- Cassandra
  
  Richard Stubbs is an outstanding surgeon, first to do successfull surgery for advanced liver cancer. Brilliant doctor.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:40am
  - bennerg
    
    Brilliant doctor, but obviously should limit his advice to the operating theatre.
    
    As Clint Eastwood’s character Dirty Harry said, “man’s gotta know his limitations”.
    
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    March 5, 2022 6:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Gastric bypass surgeon, eh? Perhaps he knows Woods/ Robertson/ Mahuta. Or is hoping for an introduction.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:46am
  - MCōs
    
    Perhaps you should mind your own business.
    
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    March 5, 2022 3:48pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  When the loony left mainstream media/big tech/Wikipedia describe a scientific/medical person who appears to support their flavour of the month narrative as a “leading expert” etc, they are simply puffing up someone’s credibility with vacuous rhetoric. Any scientific/medical person who questions or debunks their flavour of the month narrative is labelled a “science denier” or “controversial” .
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:44pm
Yvette

Ardern: “foreign influence” of protesters –
■ Police Minister Poto Williams points finger at social media after Parliament protest, says many involved feel ‘marginalised’

■ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says there is work to do in addressing the level of misinformation that has led to Wednesday’s “extraordinary” Parliament protest violence.
,,, “As we go through a process of accessing what is it that has allowed the growth of misinformation in this country and how do we address that, we will be at pains to ensure that it never becomes an excuse for the violent acts that have happened.”
Ardern added there was “foreign influence” involved in the misinformation.
“We will be at pains to ensure that it never becomes an excuse for the violent acts that it resulted in,” she said.
Those involved in Wednesday’s events will “never, ever” be excused for it, she added.

Has either Jacinda Ardern or Police Minister Poto Williams, besides observing a few Trump signs, actually spoken to protest leaders, if they found any, or interviewed anyone to have the knowledge to make the statements they have? Or is Williams just echoing what Ardern said a day earlier – with Ardern inspired by instinct, or worse: an agenda.

“This protest has not felt like New Zealand. – Ardern
Despite the participants, the protesters, appearing to be New Zealanders.
Is Ardern’s statements indeed disinformation about the disinformation of protesters?
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March 5, 2022 8:27am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  That woman is genuinely dangerous. She sounds no different than any other totalitarian dictator who maintains themselves through a web of deceit. In the language of a despot, the truth is dismissed as “misinformation” and its promulgaters labelled as “terrorists” and the like. These are cynical tools used to justify total control in the name of safety. Her motives and her character come through loud and clear in those extracts.
  
  If she wasn’t a lying snake who detests the thought of people thinking for themselves and questioning her (the one directly relates to the other), then she would welcome questioning and analysis.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:53am
- ClanMcleod
  
  More “misinformation” claims. I wish somebody would tell us exactly what it is they are referring to so we can look out for it.
  Apparently nobody is willing or able to do so.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:57am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    When you identify the referent of a word, it loses all of its power as a vague cover-all that can be applied to anything. By defining what something is, you are also defining what it isn’t.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:10am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Like hate speech. Jacinda knows it when she sees it.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:47am
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s going to be Cindy’s excuse to censor the Internet for NZ consumption whereby anything derogatory to her and her Govt is filtered out.
    She’s planning on using the China Model and Software for this purpose.
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:17pm
    - kowtow
      
      Well, they used the China model for lockdown , contrary to the established science and WHO advise.
      
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      March 5, 2022 3:13pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    when Jacinda uses the words “disinformation” or “ misinformation” she means “anything disagreeing with my narrative.” It’s pretty easy to spot this once you know what to look out for and so prevalent she has had to hire a “Misinformation Analyst” paid to go through Social Media and get rid of misinformation.
    
    Long live our glorious leader, defender of democracy.
    
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    March 5, 2022 4:15pm
    - Sean OConnor
      
      That’s all misinformation ever means.
      I challenge anyone to define it without reference to the approval of authority figures.
      
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      March 6, 2022 10:14am
- coge
  
  Why peacefully engage when you have violent state oppression at your disposal?
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:02am
- mogg
  
  Yes disinformation is a powerful tool in politics, it kept Winston in parliament for more than 40 yrs. Ironically Ardern would not be PM if it were not for Winston’s ability to suck in gullible people with his endless conspiracy theories. She obviously wants to keep NZ First support for next year.
  
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  March 5, 2022 12:38pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Could there be any foreign influence on a govt fucking up NZ like never before? ?
  
  Just wondering.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:47pm
Cassandra

The National Party under its current leader, Christopher Luxon, wants a cooperative approach with Labour. Luxon says he’s the boss and will stop his MPs who are too “oppositional”. National and Luxon do not seem to realise that there’s a battle for the future of this country. Will it be a them and us society where tribal leaders rule or the egalitarian one we all thought we had? How have we ended up with a left party (Labour) and a centre-left one (National)?
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March 5, 2022 8:28am
- planetb-media
  
  Are we about to see the lowest turn out for an election ever? Labour voters unable to vote for Labour, National voters unable to vote for National, the Greens have alienated most of their core voters with their nothingness and Seymour has a foot in so many camps you would have to call him a classic/socialist liberal.
  
  It will only be tribal voters out next election at this rate.
  
  Is it time for some minor parties to shine and stop being a part of this group of do whatever agenda the UN crowd have for us.
  
  Luxon’s political hero is Obama. If that doesn’t give you shudders nothing will.
  
  Immigration figures will be interesting when people feel safe to travel again. So many people have been turned against their country with the divisive policies of late and no one seems interested in halting them.
  
  Where’s a good place to emigrate too?
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nope, record numbers to get rid of this corrupt regime, I have never heard Luxon mention anything about supporting Labour like this it’s bullshit
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:28am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘Labour voters unable to vote for Labour, National voters unable to vote for National’
    
    Not the first time. In ‘84 there were loads of Nats who wouldn’t vote for Muldoon; and in ‘87 & ‘90, loads of Labour supporters who wouldn’t vote for Labour.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:50am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      It’s 35 years ago, but in 1987 Labour nearly won the Remuera constituency. It was phenomenal.
      
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      March 5, 2022 6:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Alaska interior – I am serious, I have been there
    
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    March 5, 2022 3:05pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Alaska looks nice but you’d want to be seriously tooled up to live there! 9 months of serious cold and predators that can rip your head off with one swipe and all!
      
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      March 5, 2022 8:49pm
  - mawm
    
    “Where’s a good place to emigrate too?” Probably the Andaman Islands if you can make it ashore alive.
    
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    March 5, 2022 3:09pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Luxon is deluded. This is the difference between a manager and a leader. The goal should be grinding Labour into the dust and negating them as a political force for decades to come, not co-operating with them. However, to do this, would require a distinct and differentiating set of principles and policy goals. But they are two sides of the same coin. Luxon seems to want to manage the bonfire and hand out the ashes at the end, rather than extinguish it and rebuild on the site.
  
  Do you think Labour’s goal is cooperation? No. They see Luxon as an instrument who is going along with their plan, not as a cooperative element in the plan. There is no time for co-operation when you’re on a life raft and one party is intent on sinking it. The problem with voting out Labour is that National gets in. There is no way in hell I am voting for any of the current opposition.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You realise he will have to deal with a bonfire when we get rid of this sicken regime
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:29am
  - glowworm
    
    Agreed RR, just read the link, thanks BAM.
    Luxon comes across as a competent manager of a business, which is what I believe he probably is?
    
    He is unfortunately not showing any signs as a leader. We desperately need an opposition leader, willing to risk ignoring the polls, and lead by example….
    
    A true leader would have shown bravery (against the polls) and stepped onto the lawn…
    
    Good luck Luxon, you’re going to need it.
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Put up a link to him saying that or I call you bullshit, he is opposed to virtually everything Labour vow to impose on us, including 3 waters, separatist agenda, laws for a few, and he even told Ardern the other day not to be dictated by the UN over Russia, stop with Slaters smearing to help the vulgar Peters
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:27am
  - BAM
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/news/luxons-new-mantra-wont-come-easily-to-some-mps
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have heard all that before, he is talking about not opposing for opposing sake, if you can’t understand that then no wonder we keep voting stupidly, he does not want to see MPs taking at every passing car, no where here does it say he wants wasn’t of Labours policies, just wait and see what will be policy difference at election time, he has already ruled out 3 waters, separatist agenda, laws for a few, waste your vote at your peril
      
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      March 5, 2022 12:02pm
- BAM
  
  Why is the National party full of delusional idiots?
  
  The left-wing hate you, they don’t want to be your friend, they want to destroy you, you fucking clown.
  
  I despair at the stupidity.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s the centre we lost that he wants back, no where in that article is he saying he agrees with Labour policy, what part of not opposing for opposing sake don’t you get, Nats lost support because of that last election
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:03pm
- pdm
  
  What a dickhead Luxon is turning out to be if what you say is correct and Cassandra I am very much inclined to believe you.
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:27pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Leaders lead by enthusing and supporting the troops.
  NOT, Mr Luxon, by coercion and threats.
  
  This man has a lot to learn about politics and public leadership and has to forget he is not a CEO with power to hire and fire.
  
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  March 5, 2022 2:30pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Serious news all over the world, including 1m refugees in Europe, markets all over the place, pandemic on the rise …

The DP leads with a gay couple moaning how unfair it is that the state won’t pay to rent a womb for them to have a baby.

Another editorial misjudgment.
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March 5, 2022 8:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Expect Cindy to go full on support for them
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:30am
I remember when

Convoy politics and barbarians at the gate: Newsroom: Dr Ian Hislop, University of Auckland:
“The protest was, at least in the main, centred on opposition to mandated vaccinations and the loss of ‘rights and freedoms’ associated with refusing this procedure – particularly the loss of jobs and access to social/commercial venues.”

Surely not!
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March 5, 2022 8:32am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Meanwhile, there are suggestions that the streets around parliament could be fitted with electric bollards, to prevent their use by vehicles.

I thought one of the major complaints against the recent protest was that the protester’s cars blocked vital roading arteries.

Truly, the cognitive dissonance is strong down there.
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March 5, 2022 8:35am
John Pakes

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As always, the truth will out, or so the old saying goes.
The truth is out on the Parliament protest:
Some bloggers tried to invent the belief that it was all luvvy duvvy as they reported to this blog how they wandered amongst the protestors before or after work chatting and putting butter on breadrolls.
It was never peaceful, its hate filled placards and rhetoric was proof enough. The violence at the end was just an illustration of what the protestors were really after: a chance to bash the police, the government, and our freedom.
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March 5, 2022 8:36am
- plc
  
  Obvious troll is obvious
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:40am
- krazykiwi
  
  Why do you come here to make a fool of yourself, John? It’s excruciating.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:41am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Fools work in mysterious ways, KK, but probably he doesn’t have anyone willing to listen to his nonsense in person.
    
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    March 5, 2022 8:54am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I feel sorry for people such as Mr Pakes.
      He is scared and fearful.
      Made so by the very people he trusts and admires – Ms Ardern and her government.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:03am
    - crikey
      
      Think of it this way – it would be a plus for his family if he rants here rather than at home.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:41am
  - John Pakes
    
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    Your problem kiwi, is that you seem to think that this blog is reserved for only those who echo your point of view.
    Thankfully it never will be, David Farrar will see to that.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:02am
    - alloytoo
      
      DPF’s tolerance doesn’t improve the quality of your commentary.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:08am
    - krazykiwi
      
      On the contrary, John. This blog is an open marketplace for ideas.
      
      The problem you face is that most of your ideas have the allure of something one might find on the side of their shoe.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:08am
      - SGA
        
        “This blog is an open marketplace for ideas.”
        
        In theory, perhaps. Over the last couple of years or so, it has become more the playground of some very vocal, disaffected people who do their very best to “shout down” opposing views. Shame, really.
        
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        March 5, 2022 9:36am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Your problem kiwi, is that you seem to think that this blog is reserved for only those who echo your point of view.”
      
      You are missing the point. Of course there are diverse views here. People will not react sharply to different views but to willfully stupid statements. This is an example.
      
      “…..a chance to bash the police, the government, and our freedom.”
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:18am
      - John Pakes
        
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        That is your opinion only Benedict. I stand by it, and it is certainly not willful.
        You are applying your own censorship.
        Allow me to reply to some of the statements being made here against me which are indeed willful.
        Such as having something on the side of my shoe.
        
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        March 5, 2022 9:26am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        This is my last comment on the subject. I can’t be bothered with more.
        
        It is implausible that the overwhelming majority of people there went there because they wanted to “bash police”. They went there because they had their lives wrecked by the irrational vaccine mandates and vaccine pass system.
        
        Everyone who follows my comments knows that I was pleased to be vaccinated. I still am, but I was profoundly disappointed at the growing evidence that the vaccines rapidly waned at preventing infection. The government ignored that evidence and implemented vaccine passes based on faulty science. That is not my opinion. It is fact.
        
        So these protestors had a right to be angry. Willful stupidity makes me angry too.
        
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        March 5, 2022 9:53am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      What a silly thing to say. Krazy would never seek to censor anyone but he, like many of us, will respond robustly when people say vicious or nonsensical things.
      
      I’m assuming you didn’t go to the protest yourself and so you don’t really know what went on or what kinds of people were there.
      
      The vilification that you and many others are engaging in now will have consequences. A vast majority who were at that protest were there because they had legitimate grievances about the destruction of their livelihoods. They were violently dispersed without being heard by their so-called representatives.
      
      You can disagree with them of course but why must you demonise them? Can’t you see what you’re doing? Don’t you know where this will lead?
      
      Perhaps you think it’s only a tiny minority of ratbags who are resisting the rampant authoritarianism of Ardern. Even if it was, the way they’re being treated would be odious. But it isn’t. Many, many New Zealanders have had enough.
      
      We don’t have to agree, but the denigration of desperate people by Ardern, her media attack dogs and her acolytes will take this country to dark places. In fact John, we’re already there, even if you haven’t noticed yet.
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:01am
    - Lee C
      
      John Pakes People know me. I am a real person.
      
      I’ve met David personally , spoken to him on more than one occasion, John, I’ve also been visited by fellow bloggers in my shop (when I had one) as well as on one stellar moment David Cunliffe dropped in. (Yes, I still talk about it at dinner parties – not)
      
      DPF has my personal details and is welcome to tell me where to get off anytime, which thus far has been on one rare occasion.
      
      You go by your own name – you allege – but don’t appear to have a single original thing to say, so your inference that you have loftier credentials rings rather hollow to me.
      
      You basically present as a unreflective adn uncritical pro-Labour sock-puppet
      who ironically appears to be oblivious about how obvious your motivations are.
      
      But, keep it up. Because as your masters so often tell us – they love ‘diversity’.
      
      But not too much, ‘diversity’ eh?
      
      ps. If you are Trevor Mallard, why would you be afraid to admit it?
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:05am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Your post shows the outcome of an unquestioning mind fed on a diet of MSM.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think you go too far. The protestors never formed a coherent movement, but I think most were mainly upset about the vaccine mandates. The trouble was, of course, is that the people only concerned about the mandates were largely indistinguishable from those who were much further along the road to general fruit-loopery or anarchy – anti-vaxxers, homeopaths, gangs, Maori nationalists, fundie preachers, etc, etc, including a substantial criminal element there to enjoy mayhem and violent disorder.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:46am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, so protesters are representative of the population at large by your definition. I seem to remember that (before MMP and Lists) parliament was the House of Representatives.
    
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    March 5, 2022 10:45am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Your memory seems a bit faulty, like your odd interpretation of my comment.
      Our parliament still comprises a house of representatives and the sovereign. Has done since the 1850s, although there have been several changes to how we elect members of the house over the years.
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:44am
- Lee C
  
  This from Voices For Freedom John Pakes, you sad vindictive little man.
  
  It’s run by three ‘yoga Mums’.
  
  “Regardless of your stance on the protest, what we witnessed this past Wednesday at Parliament should disturb everyone who supports democracy.
  
  The MSM slant and their blatant lies were on full display for all to see.
  
  VFF was represented by thousands on Parliament grounds over the 23 days of protest & hundreds of thousands more supported from afar. At Parliament, we witnessed, spoke with, and listened to Kiwis who were present in the moment, genuine, kind-hearted, caring, and most of all incredibly generous.
  
  People came from all walks of life, spanned across all ages, and were united in their desire to be heard & to engage in dialogue. The people were pro-choice. Some there had opted to take the jab and others hadn’t. All supported the right to choose free from coercion and threats.
  
  For many it has been a long two years seeking to have their objections to the jab be heard. During this time they have been victimised, bullied and labelled as conspiracy theorists.
  
  Doctors who have spoken out have been deregistered. Allopathic medicine has been denied. Herbal extracts have been made prescription only. If something hasn’t fitted into the MSM narrative it has been swiftly labelled as “fake news”.
  
  The protest wasn’t and isn’t about “anti” or “pro”. It’s about preserving our rights and freedoms. The protesters at the Beehive were 99.9% peaceful. We know, we were there.
  
  There was, for many, a tangible sense of hope. Hope that finally they would be seen and they would be heard. Hope that we wouldn’t be treated anymore as second class citizens and that a new kind of society was possible.
  
  It felt like the New Zealand of old with everyone knowing their neighbours, speaking with each other and looking after one another. Visitors described a special vibe at the Beehive that was unique, precious and life-changing. Many journeyed not once, not twice, but three times, some driving the length of the north or south islands over three weekends to join the stand.
  
  And yes, there were some people who were upset. If you’d lost everything you might be too. If your partner had a life threatening injury you might be upset too. If your loved one had died you might be upset too. If you had been ignored when seeking medical advice after an adverse reaction and told to go home and that it was all stress, you might be upset too. And if you had injuries, and refuse to have another one for fear of more adverse affects, and therefore lost your job, you too might be upset.
  
  Despite this upset and pain, almost everyone remained peaceful. When there was violence directed towards the police it was quickly dealt with swiftly by other protesters.
  
  The New Zealand public needs to realise that the protesters in the main were just like them – everyday Kiwis. Those angry at the end were absolutely not reflective of the bulk of the people present at Parliament.
  
  Even when the police moved in forcefully on the crowd with indiscriminate use of pepper spray, riot shields, water cannons & violence, the vast majority of people remained calm. They supported one another, helped each other up off the ground, administered milk to the faces of those pepper-sprayed, and comforted those who were overcome with the emotion of the brutality of it all.
  
  Yet still the police advanced. And still the Government refused to speak with the people – choosing violence over discourse. This should never be the way, ever.
  
  But that was yesterday. Today is a new day and where we go to from here is up to us.
  
  Let’s take the beauty of the unity and community created in Wellington over the last few weeks back to our neighbourhoods, build the support systems organically, truly connect with those around us and be the change we want to see in the world.
  
  Let’s rise up. Let’s focus on what we want to see happen. Because what we focus on grows. Let’s rebuild free.
  
  Now is the time.
  Stand up, speak out,keep hugging.”
  
  https://voicesforfreedom.co.nz/
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:50am
  - John Pakes
    
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    As expected, you trot out the same propaganda, one that suits your echo chamber.
    It appears that many New Zealanders do not accept your blinkered view, there is currently a move to mute Voices for Freedom circulating in the community that is encouraging people to look at the funding they have received, the social media platforms that they have used, and the false information that they have spread.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:00am
    - kowtow
      
      Talking of propaganda .
      
      One man turned up in a car to try to enter the marae near Wellinton .
      
      Big media presence . Very anti the protest guy.
      
      He was roughly handled by a very large chap who was wearing all the trappings on a Mongrel Mob member ……….nuttin’ about dat .
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:04am
    - Lee C
      
      You are incorrect John.
      
      The fact that you are a sad little man is pretty much a respected and widely shared view.
      
      And this is from people who have never met you.
      
      God knows how you preent in person.
      
      Are you Trevor Mallard?
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:05am
      - John Pakes
        
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        Try again. The last petition against them raised 140 thousand signatures. Measure that to the number of protestors.
        And who has ever met Lee C?
        At least my name is up there.
        
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        March 5, 2022 9:13am
      - Boutique Avo Orchard
        
        John is from Rotorua. He regularly gets the good citizens of Rotorua up in arms at his incorrect views and statements. He is not Trevor Mallard
        
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        March 5, 2022 5:53pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Hey John, here’s your big chance. Apparently nobody in the government or mainstream media can supply this information so here’s your big moment, your claim to fame!!
      Tell me what “false information” VFF have spread? Even one example? “Misinformation” is the go to, vapid response of every idiot supporting Ardern’s covid narrative, but none of them can apparently come up with an example of what it actually is.
      Come on John, show us you are different! Let us know what is this “false information” you talk of?
      Put up or shut up.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:09am
      - Tom Barker
        
        Ask those three yoga mums what they think of UK conspiracy theorist David Icke, and whether the NZ PM is really a giant shape-shifting lizard (seriously.)
        
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        March 5, 2022 9:24am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Here speaks someone who seems to be in favour of community censorship.
      Think a bit further along the track before opening that gate.
      Because the next group or issue to be censored might by one that you approve of or believe in.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:10am
      - Swifty
        
        Yep.
        
        Pakes appears to belong to that group of New Zealanders who believe the power of the state be used to stop other New Zealanders freely discussing topics of their choosing.
        
        There’s a word for people like that.
        
        BTW, for over 40 years I’ve seen and heard first hand NZ lefties spout all sorts of nonsense, lies and all sorts of divisive and poisonous horseshit but you won’t see me calling for the state to silence or suppress them.
        
        We should counter bad ideas with better ideas, freely expressed and in an effort to win folk to our cause. And if we can’t then our ideas can’t be very good can they?
        
        It’s such a pity that we have witnessed the left both here in NZ and around the world lately cast aside this virtue and instead frequently reach for state coercion to force others to bend to their view.
        
        It’s the left who are the fascists and they just refuse to see it.
        
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        March 5, 2022 9:25am
    - Lee C
      
      Here is some ‘propoganda’ for you to look at, John.
      https://www.facebook.com/721443189/videos/695379758306386
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:32am
    - mandk
      
      Out of interest John Pakes, how much time did you spend at the protest and who did you talk to while you were there?
      
      I am sure the honest answers will be: none and no one.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:38am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Our very own Citizen informant – advocating to shut down opposition to the Government including social media controls – something the left has been pushing hard this week. The sad thing is that while you are the minority John, the evil that you subscribe to is seeping into NZ society.
      
      The river of filth that you believe in John is flowing into the Soul of NZ and my heart greaves. Then I remember that what you intend for evil, God intends for good.
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:02am
    - Liberty
      
      “currently a move to mute Voices for Freedom”
      Now, who would that be?
      Maybe our, Open and transparent, more equal, vindictive, Dear Leader.
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:35am
- kowtow
  
  Pakes, and the Media Pardy etc is using a foreign influenced style of villification , misinformation and disinformation to attack innocent people and to further their own extremist , control agenda .
  
  He sounds just like Putin and co.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:52am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Some bloggers tried to invent the belief that it was all luvvy duvvy….”
  
  The only “blogger” who authors on Kiwiblog is David Farrar. I don’t recall him blogging any such thing.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:53am
  - Mike
    
    I think it is common enough parlance on this blog to refer to commenters as ‘Kiwibloggers’ or ‘bloggers’.
    And DPF is not the only author on this blog. He has even indulged me with a guest post or two.
    Quibbling is good, though, and one of my favourite pastimes, too.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:09am
  - John Pakes
    
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    Nit picking Benedict.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:15am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No it is not nitpicking. The people that comment here do so at the pleasure of David Farrar. If you want to be a blogger go start your own blog.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:58am
      - Lee C
        
        Heh he could call it ‘KiwiBile’…
        
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        March 5, 2022 10:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I’m still waiting for an example of the “misinformation” from VFF which you claimed earlier. Surely you have examples of it? Strange that nobody in media or none of the politicians seem able to give examples. Bizarre.
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:08am
    - kevn
      
      Why don’t you fire up your own blog?
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:57am
- glowworm
  
  Unless John, you were brave enough to walk among them, you are not really qualified to opine on the matter.
  
  Your opinions are filtered through whichever media you choose to believe. And the controllers of this media. Nothing is a substitute for talking to people on the ground.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:55am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Wow 4-5 Labour Party down tickets up early this morning
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:00am
    - Nickc2
      
      They’re on $time and a half$ until midday and $double time$ after that if they last the distance.
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:23am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That seems like a good gig. Any idea where to apply for such a role? Can’t find anything on TradeMe or Seek.
        Even better, perhaps you could provide an introduction to anyone you know who holds these sort of jobs.
        
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        March 5, 2022 11:48am
- Justitia
  
  John Pakes: the “truth” is being rewritten in true Soviet style by Ardern and her bought and paid for media. I passed several encampments of the remaining protestors around the Miramar Peninsula yesterday afternoon. These people had been harassed by the Police helicopter in a noisy and aggressive aerial display the previous evening. I wanted to see who had brought such hostile attention on themselves. They are overwhelmingly working class Maori from other parts of the country who appear to have no where else to go at present. Not a single “Alt-Right” fanatic to be seen among them.
  
  Ardern is manipulating the facts around these events as justification for her “hate speech” legislation, under which criticising a politician will get you three years in jail. It’s her Reichstag moment and she will seek maximum advantage from it. What happened at Parliament is in fact an indictment of the worst government in New Zealand’s history.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Ardern can now add her name to the list of World Leaders who turned their own people against each other.
    A massive achievement for a young female ex-fish-n-chips wrapper who was appointed to power by a Maori who now apparently advocates her downfall.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You are as ill informed as you are obnoxious. A good reflection of Ardern and her regime if truth be known.
  The police spent 10 days in a psychological campaign of baiting, aggravating and tormenting the peaceful protesters. They knew they couldn’t end this without violently crushing the protest. They had to try and get some reaction that could be manipulated to portray a lie and the mainstream media complied like the venal shills that they are.
  The destruction of the toilet and shower blocks was a petty act of vandalism designed to cause anger. The preventing of food being delivered and toilets being cleaned another despicable and cowardly act. There is no doubt there were also state agent provocateurs in action throughout the protest.
  All that was needed was a discussion between some politicians and the protesters. Then dropping the mandates and passes which we now know were completely irrelevant and useless in preventing the spread of covid. This could have been done amicably and it would have been a win for everyone. It would have permitted a harmonious solution.
  Instead, all of those who were there and all of those who know the truth of what happened are now more determined than ever to stop this tyrant in her tracks. She has done phenomenal damage to this country. Damage that will take decades to recover from.
  The worst PM in NZ history by a very long way.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:03am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, she turned her own people on her own people and she’s proud of it! A despicable act by a despicable . . . . . . . . .
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:16am
  - John Pakes
    
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    Utter bullshit.
    The police did not bait the protesters. They basically stood back and watched as most Kiwi’s acknowledge. The biggest complaint from them was why did the police not go in harder.
    There were no provocateurs. That is a figment of your imagination.
    The media did not tell lies. We all could see what was going on via out tv screens and live streams such as those from Stuff.
    The police did not deny access for food to the protestors. We were constantly bombarded by images of the happy people cooking up meals for the protestors.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:22am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      John the police made it increasingly difficult for the food to be supplied, I should know I was there and you sat on your couch watching $1uff. Many police on the ground were disgusted by their actions but you keep in your delusion because people like you will always exist. You are the frightened ones who never want to leave the safety of the cave, you can stay there while the rest of us go out and explore and leave you behind.
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:01am
      - glowworm
        
        CH, I agree, and thank you for being there.
        I have lived in a cave way too long… but trust me, they can be very dangerous places…
        
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        March 5, 2022 12:50pm
    - Its only I
      
      The short haircuts in the protest crowd with earpieces…mates of yours?
      
      Its standard practice for the police to send a few out in the crowd to gather info, it would be negligent not to. They gather info on who may be leaders, followers, weapons, behaviours and points of weakness etc.
      With all that data collected the police left on their own were not triggered into responding at any higher level other than for 95% of the protest. But they were actively seeding division within the protest as a passive way to implode the group from within. What was interesting is the MSM were sometimes a little to early reporting divisions before those undercover units had actually completed that phase. After the court ruling was announced it became political with the old drake leading the charge. Pressure to get the “rabble” out before any reduction in covid response policies and create the idea that not only the court were right about Labours fascism the protestors are as well just would not be allowed.
      
      Police do this work all the time from riding a bus route with reported trouble to ALL protest of significance and gangs.
      
      Anyway all is forgiven right? The Maori party don’t blame the protestors they blame colonialism.
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:25am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I was there John. You obviously weren’t.
      I’m still waiting for your evidence of “misinformation” from VFF. Take your time.
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:13am
- pdm
  
  JP are you saying the usual `rent a mob’ lefty loonies that usually march to parliament to protest infiltrated the recent 23 day protest?
  
  Looked like it to me – a lot of good New Zealanders let down by a few idiots.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:07am
  - John Pakes
    
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    No. Brian Tamaki’s mob could hardly ever be called left wing loonies.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:23am
    - Lee C
      
      John Pakes. Search your soul.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJFFy5SA6DE
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:12am
      - Don Beckett
        
        He hasn’t got one – if he has, Old Nick controls it.
        
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        March 5, 2022 11:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jesus H Christ, you have issues Pake.
      Tamaki’s mob were there sure, but outnumbered by far by the usual ‘rent a mob’
      I suggest you turn you radio and TV and internet off – bad for your health
      
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      March 5, 2022 3:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s a Photo of Inspector Paki having a friendly chat with the mandate protestors outside Gisborne District Courthouse.
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/frontpage-featured/20220304/a-long-way-from-parliament-grounds/
  
  Don’t confuse those who were protesting about vaccine mandates with those who had other motives to be on Parliament Grounds.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:08am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That is all that was needed at parliament. It could have been the beginning of the end of the covid event in a unified and cohesive way. Instead, Ardern’s arrogance has further shattered the country.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:18am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Yep, and KK’s “letter” to the police about who started the fire, the very same day the photo of the culprit was published, a protester.
  But you know he’s on 3 boards, a blackboard, a breadboard, and a tailboard disappearing in smoke to hide the minute someone sneezes.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:24am
  - Aunty
    
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    A fair description I think of many of KB’s anti-vax mental cases, Brian.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:58am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Just for you, Aunty. Summary of the research from an Israeli hospital, a random sample of 2049 people who recently received a third/booster jab:
      
      Two thirds of the respondents (66%) reported at least one side effect within three to four weeks after the booster (women: 75%).
      
      Close to one third of respondents (29%) reported that they had “difficulty performing daily activities” due to the booster side effects (women: 51%).
      
      Close to one in three hundred respondents (0.3%) reported actual hospitalization (i.e. not just medical care) as a result of the side effects.
      
      Nearly 10% of women under the age of 54 reported disruptions to their menstrual cycle after the booster. Half of these women reported ongoing menstrual symptoms in a follow-up survey two to three months after the initial survey.
      
      5.5% of the respondents reported chest pain (women: 7%), and 4.2% reported enlarged lymph nodes (i.e. lymphadenopathy; women: 6%).
      
      One person reported confirmed post-booster myocarditis (heart inflammation); assuming this was a male person in the youngest of the three age groups of the survey (18-39), one in about 350 young males (0.3%) would be affected.
      
      Close to 5% reported neurological problems (women: 6.9%), including Bell’s palsy (i.e. facial paralysis; 0.5%), eye disorders (0.5%), memory issues (0.4%), hearing issues (0.4%), convulsions (0.2%), and loss of consciousness (0.2%).
      
      Close to 4% reported allergic reactions (women: 5.3%), including a rash, itching, difficulty breathing, and swelling of the face or throat.
      
      About 25% of people with pre-existing auto-immune disorders, depression or anxiety reported a worsening of their symptoms following the booster.
      
      5% to 10% of people with diabetes, hypertension, and lung & heart disease also reported a worsening of their condition.
      
      Finally, 0.2% of respondents reported an outbreak of herpes simplex (women: 0.4%), and 0.2% of respondents reported an outbreak of herpes zoster (i.e. shingles; women: 0.3%).
      
      I get that you don’t like facts, really I do. But ease up on the ‘anti-vax’ pejorative. It just make you look silly.
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:40am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Hello again, Aunty Karen. 😆
      
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      March 5, 2022 11:54am
- 2ic
  
  I prefer to take notice of the accounts from those who were actually there day after day. As Barry Soper reported 10 days into the occupation:
  
  “I’ve been down on the forecourt every day with a mask on and only once have I been told to go and do something unpleasant to myself. The rest of the time they have been willing to engage and until the politicians do the same, chances are they’ll be there for some time to come.”
  
  “The trouble is the politicians have painted them as illegal, dangerous radicals which, having talked to many of them which the politicians haven’t, isn’t the case for the vast majority of them.”
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/barry-soper-the-longer-this-goes-on-the-harder-dialogue-will-become/
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:31am
I remember when

TV 1 News: Russian input into Ukraine conflict ‘False News”.
When was the last time news from a war was ever totally factual, truthful.
“In war, the truth is the first casualty.”
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March 5, 2022 8:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I always admired this quote from Churchill on the same theme:
  
  In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.
  
  A remark to his good friend Stalin.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:50am
Ipanema69

The incompetence of this government is simply beyond belief and has been highly visible during the pandemic.

However I think that the wider issue is that for the most part the belief within the population is that this incompetence could be fixed.

This is not correct there is no incentive for any government department to do anything in a cost effective, timely or efficient manner.

The debate needs to be reframed into why is the government doing this particular activity that is being screwed up!

I cant remember who made the quote but there are only two sorts of government being the small and the bad.
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March 5, 2022 8:39am
Alan Wilkinson

A good article on why Trump was successful and Biden is useless.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/03/fear-of-donald-trump-kept-putin-from-invading-ukraine-heres-how-trump-pulled-it-off/
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March 5, 2022 8:42am
- Scott
  
  Very good article Alan Wilkinson, thanks for posting it.
  Although people like DPF hate Trump, I think the test of a politician is their results rather than would you like them to be your best friend? People like Jacinda might speak nicely but are hopeless at getting anything done. People like Trump might put out a few mean tweets, but know something about the world and how to make things happen.
  
  He did defeat Isis. He did take out the general in Iran, which totally deterred Iranians aggression. He stood up to Kim and North Korea. And, despite four years of the feckless mainstream media telling us that he was a Russian agent, he was tough on Putin and Putin knew not to mess with him.
  
  What have we got now that the liberal elite’s favourite Joe Biden is in office? Well he is plainly a very old man who really is not up to the job. He doesn’t scare anybody. His handling of Afghanistan was abysmal. He won’t do anything to stop Putin. If China wants to invade Taiwan who seriously thinks that Joe will stop them?
  
  People should be ashamed for voting for or supporting Joe Biden. He is not fit to be president of the United States. He should be quietly filling out his days having coffee with his old buddies and organising the Friday night happy hour at the rest home.
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:53am
- Colville
  
  I liked this and think it is on point
  “Strategically Used Unpredictability as an Asset in Foreign Affairs”
  
  People just didn’t know when his switch would flip. and that is a good thing.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:00am
Pineapple Lumps

KB’ers I’m looking for some help. How would I go about sourcing the information on the amount of money the government has spent with media, from all sources? Would there be a way to see the proportion of total MSM revenue this is?

Items of expenditure include:
1. Advertising for 3 waters, Covid public health announcements etc
2. Public journalism funding
3. Other eg Vaxathon

We often hear the MSM are the team of $55m or $105m. Also, even the least biased such as HDPA cannot see how their organisations may have been influenced by the customers spend with their companies.

My hypothesis is that the total expenditure with MSM from the government over the past 3 years will eclipse all other years in history. In both expenditure amounts and proportion of MSMs total revenue.
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March 5, 2022 8:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You could ask Melissa Lee MP if she has this information… or whether she would be interested in putting these questions to relevant Government ministers.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/members-of-parliament/lee-melissa/
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Melissa Lee is a good attack dog if National will let her do it
    
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    March 5, 2022 3:59pm
artemisia

The West cancelling Russia will have consequences if other countries, maybe large, quietly set up mutually beneficial arrangements with Russia. A bloc.
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March 5, 2022 8:45am
Warren

Will New Zealand survive another strain of Covid-19 if or when it arrives.
Will our Finances be there to cover anther outbreak, with the way the present Government has wrecked our economy and devided New Zealander’s, or will they just borrow billions more and expect further generations to go without to pay for it.
https://www.livemint.com/science/health/next-covid-variant-can-be-severe-as-delta-immune-evasive-like-omicron-experts-answer-2-key-questions-11646224626663.html
Who would trust Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Grant Robertson our Finance Minister to put us through the wringer again .
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March 5, 2022 8:48am
- Paulus
  
  Without another Virus strain Ardern will lose control.
  Wellington shows it is fragile and will remain so until she goes.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She has lost control of the virus…
    
    Increasing numbers of folks will refuse multiple rounds of short-term vaccinations for new variants.
    
    Folks are no longer willing to be lock-downed for unreasonable periods of time.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A ‘working group’ is now manufacturing another Covid strain, that is only found in Ah tea rower.
    New Zealanders will dismiss it maybe//
    
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    March 5, 2022 4:06pm
thetiedarch

Seriously, the Herald has no shame. They ran a ‘Q&A’ type article yesterday about the $50m reporting fund. Received all kinds of questions about their neutrality, batting them away as if they were nothing.

Today we have 3 or so opinion pieces about ‘why Coster is heroic’, ‘how the protestors fell to US alt right conspiracy’ and ‘the last 48 hours of the protest’.

And yet they expect us to believe they’re neutral and don’t put out puff pieces for the govt.
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March 5, 2022 8:49am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes it was very interesting reading the comments. They are clearly trying to justify themselves and it is not working
  
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  March 5, 2022 12:26pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  You could tell all you needed to know about that story from the headline – they had quotes around the word bias.
  
  The obvious question would have been if they consider themselves truly independent, why don’t they simply refuse the funding? If they had any journalistic integrity that’s exactly what they would do.
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:37pm
Tomtoddy

Question. Is it possible to ever have a “successful” protest again of typical mainstream Kiwis? Both the recent protest at Parliament and the Groundswell protest were infiltrated by crazed, extremists, only wanting to create trouble. They created the opportunity for the authorities to dismiss the whole protest as too extreme to be listened to or negotiated with.

What could the more sensible, possibly naïve protesters done to exclude the idiot troublemakers?
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March 5, 2022 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  Looking at the footage , and it’s extensive of the riotous behaviour at the Freedom Camp , it would be obvious even to Blind Freddy that the actual rioters were thugs who turned up that afternoon cos they wanted a fight with the cops .
  
  Just look at the hard core who stayed late in the day in the junction throwing cobbles etc , they looked just like the arsonists at the tents .
  
  And there was nothing “foreign” about them.
  
  The Media Pardy are either feeding us misinformation about the protesters or are deliberately feeding us govt disinformation ( maybe even both) when they cast the protest as a collective of extremists .
  
  We really are seeing an information war going on .
  
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  March 5, 2022 8:58am
- Lee C
  
  TomToddy
  
  Has it occurred to you that the ‘troublemakers’ were imported and bought-off?
  
  It’s on record now that the PM will talk to the MM and the Taliban…
  
  However, you will find nothing in the media about any underlying motivations for such a close relationship between teh Gang and the Government.
  
  So we are all really left to make our own suppostions about how this has come about.
  
  All we can say with any certainty is that the relationship whihc involved paying $2.5 mill to the MM was created out of a need to deal with drug-addiction in our communities.
  
  … and has been audited as unsuccessful in meeting those terms.
  
  However, we can surmise (again) that the conviction rate for using and trafficking illegal drugs has achieved some singular success.
  
  But wouldn’t it be wonderful to see the kinds of dedication applied to beating up Joe and Joanne Public (and their whanau) applied to cleaning up organised crime?
  
  But we don’t, do we?
  
  And so we come full circle, and are left pondering if ‘Follow teh money” is as always good advice here.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I disagree. Jacinda dismissed the protestors because they disagreed with her policies. Her response was then seated in her “disinformation” mantra. Of course such protests attract some trouble makers. But even if that had not been the case, Jacinda would have dismissed them.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:04am
  - Mike
    
    They were also dismissed by all our other elected representatives, a rare show of unanimity from MPs.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:13am
  - kowtow
    
    I’d like to know if her weekly briefing with the political editors included anything relating to the Freedom folk .
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:29am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Stop trying to rewrite history Benedict she dismissed them because a core group wanted to hang politicians, praise Trump, protest 3 waters, remedy their mental health issues, and so on. It was a protest of disparate people incapable of a single cause and ensuring the rights of others to go about their daily lives.
    Any genuine sympathy there may have been for the genuine mandate protestors was swallowed by tin hats, hippies still tripping from the 60s and more than a few loose units.
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Some folks can afford to be represented by lawyers and take their concerns about mandates to Courts
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462265/covid-19-high-court-quashes-unlawful-vaccine-mandate-for-police-and-defence-force-staff
      
      But many folks in NZ haven’t got the wherewithal to go down that legal track.
      
      Our politicians collectively showed that they were not interested in listening to the concerns of the little people about the coercive and divisive covid rules that have been imposed on us by this Government.
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:06am
    - Lee C
      
      In case you missed it Brian, we are all ‘suppposed’ to be in this together.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJFFy5SA6DE
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  Tomtoddy-
  I and members of my family took part in two Groundswell protests here. There were hundreds of people and vehicles involved.
  I can attest that there were no “crazed, extremists, only wanting to create trouble.”
  In fact, it was a positive experience strongly supported along the way by urban based people cheering on the footpaths as we passed by and attending at the town centre.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:26am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Yes, agreed Gravelroad. It was an outstanding success. But I know Laurie and Bryce well and I know they had to deal with a few idiots who were determined to disrupt and deflect the media onto totally extraneous rubbish.
    
    You are all missing my point. There are a few individuals who see protests as a cover for them to create mayhem. How can they be kept out of a public protest?
    
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    March 5, 2022 9:39am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      With strong discipline. If you look for a leader capable of doing that I’d say Brian Tamaki, despite being probably unable to agree with him on anything. There’s been no more efficient protestor probably since the Shadbolt era where largely everyone appeared united to single causes.
      
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      March 5, 2022 9:48am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Leadership starts at the top, TomToddy, and we have none.
      At present our political leadership is united and in their comfort zone together.
      No leadership was evident from our top elected representatives.
      That is the example to society they chose to provide – hide away at the office, look out the window and let the police decide.
      So there is your answer- the police can identify known troublemakers who seek to infiltrate protests.
      But do we want them to arrest people beforehand because they might cause strife?
      I think the politicians and the authoritarians would like that very much.
      Then we are entering the realms of a police state.
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Voices for Freedom activists turned up at the gathering place for both Whanganui Groundswell protests, with their distinctive signage. They were politely asked by organisers not to participate in the actual protest convoy as their views were not sanctioned by Groundswell.
    
    From my position as a participant in both the Whanganui events, I would say they were well organised and well led.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:54am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The only thing that can be done is for MPs and the Fourth Estate to do their job of representing dissenting opinions to Government. Gangs were involved in the Springbok tour protests but the media chose not to highlight them.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The NZ media will always broadcast the crazed, extremists, rent a mob.
  Like flies on shit
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:11pm
Lee C

Is anyone here keen to endorse a political movement so it can achieve enough votes to affect the balance of power at the next election, and give the Pfizer-puppets and their puppet-masters a real shock?
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March 5, 2022 8:53am
- glowworm
  
  Absolutely. Unless there is a major about turn in the opposition parties and we can forgive them…
  
  What has happening in this country over the past days has awakened many people like myself.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:02am
ecco

Ardern is buying up A LOT of votes for the next election using government money from the covid slush fund via people manning the covid response sites ie testing centres, vax centres, covid tracing (now defunct), Healthline and now RATs helpline.

We know these people are mainly students, maori and other people made redundant from places like airnz etc. They are all getting paid over the top hourly rates ie $30 an hour. I heard that even people signed up for the covid tracing work, ‘on standby at home’ got ridiculous amounts paid to them and didn’t even handle many cases. Got paid large sums to be on standby.

So that’s how you do it Nats & Act, if you get back in. I guess you’ve got more ethics than to pull the above manouevre though.

There is no accountability for all of this expenditure. Just being channeled through Ashley’s money wasting, ineffective MOH department. A kind of splashing the cash, welfare type payment, to these workers akin to some of the government dept worker gigs Labour has created.

The student vote is what gets Ardern over the line every time, along with all the indigenous bribe payments being dished out at the moment.(Not to mention taking in copious numbers of refugees whom will in time vote Labour).

I guess the only redeeming feature for long standing NZ tax payers is that those students will be paying this back big time in increased tax rates down the line. That’s if they stay in NZ and don’t high tail it out of here, never to return.

Is there any possibility that sunlight is shone on some of the covid relief fund payments? I guess not. That’s not Ardern and Robertson’s modus operandi.
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March 5, 2022 8:55am
- Paulus
  
  Not only the student vote currenntly from the Greens but the feminist movements, who are overwhelmingly anti male as well.
  Part of the New Zealand great divide which she rejects.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is gunna need a lot of buying this time
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Socialist – did anyone ever think she would use her wealth? The peasants pay – ALWAYS
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:16pm
I remember when

Batman: Yesterday:
“It was clearly labelled as five deaths and three from unrelated conditions.”
How often have the media suggested that covid deaths might be from other causes – let alone three at once and 60% of cases.
Last night on the TV1 late news strong suggestion that all five had serious co-morbidities.
For two years people who had covid, and died, died from covid.
Now suddenly, people who have covid, and die, are dying from ‘natural causes’ and ‘co-morbidity.
What a remarkable disease this covid can be.
Recently, one of the numerous ‘experts’ was lauding our remarkable performance, in restricting covid deaths, considering the number of cases we have had, world leading.
By my count, we have now had five Omicron deaths where covid was not stated to be the cause of death.
When was the (MoH supported) Minister of Covid PR appointed?
Will we be having a reassessment of our covid deaths, that will reveal that we are ‘world leading’, all of our covid deaths were, in fact, from co-morbidity.
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March 5, 2022 8:55am
- Niz
  
  Did they happen to mention how many of those 5 were vaccinated?
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If you look at yesterdays global count, NZ actually registered 7 deaths
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:37am
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    along with 2000 excess deaths based on years of averages.
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:02pm
    - glowworm
      
      Is this true?
      
      https://themariachiyears.substack.com/p/2000-extra-all-cause-deaths-associated
      
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      March 5, 2022 8:35pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  One death was from a bullet through the head on their driveway.
  
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  March 5, 2022 12:28pm
bennerg

NewsHub Reports

“General surgeon and Medicus Chairman Dr Richard Stubbs says the protest shows many Kiwis don’t understand the true importance of mandates.”

“The mandates have been absolutely key to our low mortality rate and keeping hospitals running so far..”

This appears to be a political statement, not a medical one, and does not seem to be based on any rational understanding. While I appreciate this gentleman may have had an illustrious medical career, his words indicate a lack of real world understanding:

1. Our low mortality rate attributed to Covid-19 relative to other countries, is based primarily on the easy job it was to isolate a country separated from it’s nearest neighbour by 2500km of ocean.

2. Covid-19 is not random killer, it simply tips those over the edge who have pre-existing comorbidities. As an infection, it is only slightly more aggressive than seasonal flu (~1.5% vs ~0.5% = Omicron is less) and will only kill those who would normally have died (in NZ ~650 each year) of seasonal influenza plus a few more that would have had another year or so before their number was up. The result of this I believe, is that in the next few years there will be fewer in that cohort, so more than likely we will see all flu / pneumonia related deaths dip. Nature keeping the balance.

3. Mandates have unintended consequences on society as a whole, financial, emotional, and unity. Stubbs’s focused medical view should not be the sole basis for any such decisions, as the disruption to society, livelihoods, and family and society cohesion goes well beyond the simple, ideal medical theory he espouses. It is easy for someone on a comfortable salary well over $300,000, paid every week whatever, to simply encourage everyone to “stay the course”. But for many that course has meant financial ruin, loss of jobs, loss of homes, and in some cases worse, through suicide.

Were he to agree to a 50% cut in his salary, I could perhaps treat his recommendation a little more seriously, but he is a man totally out of touch with the reality of life in the community. It mirrors the sad state of our PM who with her parliamentary collegues, failed miserably to reach out to the hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders supporting the call for an immediate end to mandates. The PM’s arrogance and lack of humility is astounding.

He further states:

“Every hospital bed taken for a COVID case encroaches on those beds and those staff. We are already expecting to see large portions of our hospitals filled with COVID patients, even with our vaccine mandates and relatively high vaccination rates.”

Does he not read the statistics? For over a year, until Omicron came along, the numbers admitted to hospitals due to Covid-19 you can count on one hand for every hospital per month. And Omicron for most is only a bad cold.

And even then we are not told the real truth about the statustics:

(i) were admissions for something else and when tested the patient shown to have Covid-19?
(ii) was the prime reason for hospitalisation something else, and Covid-19 just a complication?
(iii) was hospitalisation due to fear induced by our government and media hype, or other trivial reason not really warranting hospital treatment but still included in the statistics?

And mRNA “vaccination” does not stop infection nor transmission. And recent research is indicating that those fully vaccinated have their immune systems undermined, leading to the possibility of future greater admissions.

Why, given their expectations, were resources not applied right at the begining of the pandemic to the creation of special Covid-19 treatment facilities in each hospital, instead of wasting billions on subsidies for businesses that should have been left to operate?

Ending mandates would also free up hundreds of staff to return to work in the hospitals and provide the staffing levels to reopen the wards closed due to staffing shortages.

Ending mandates would allow medically trained New Zealanders and others to (re-)enter the country and also boost staffing levels, and morale.

Someone needs to take this twit, pull him out of his Mercedes or BMW, and take him out into the real world, and show him the pain being felt in the real world.

Having the title “General surgeon and Medicus Chairman” should mean something beyond medical skill, but in this case his words only portray him as useless and just as ineffective as our PM and the government who pays him.
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March 5, 2022 9:05am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

You know me, I’m not into ‘conspiracy theories’….
but holy-mother, SHANE WARNE while holidaying at his Villa in Thailand ?

https://twitter.com/ShaneWarne/status/1497365254153838594
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March 5, 2022 9:05am
chukar

The action of the NZ government in unleashing the police on to the parliamentary protesters on 2 March was unjustified violence of the state on its citizens.
No matter how they spin it it was this NZ government, all of them, who chose not to talk with them preferring to give them a kicking!
Blaming foreign influence etc is weak and total rubbish!
Arden and your sycophants , you are responsible .
Own it!
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March 5, 2022 9:11am
Lee C

One for you Maggie:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5023880101011501&set=a.100935626639331
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March 5, 2022 9:12am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Honestly, Kath can be sooo MEAN sometimes 😀
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:31am
- Nickc2
  
  Do you know who the agent was?
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:43am
I remember when

The Mandate Protest:
Why were people so happy, in large part, to be there.
They were able to talk to people who understood their problems and listen to those of others.
It was the satisfaction of being around people who were their equals.
Everyone had similar problems, felt marginalised and isolated.
People who wondered, how did this happen, I used to be able to have different beliefs without being ostracised.
Of course they enjoyed each other company – they all felt the same.
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March 5, 2022 9:13am
bythesea

Are the rubber/sponge bullets used in Wellington the same ones the Australian police used in Melbourne last year?

This is a NZ article from a couple of years ago when the police were first getting rubber / sponge bullets.

https://amp.rnz.co.nz/article/10c77852-c445-4433-aab0-e15cfe61a917

The loss-of-eye injuries seem bad. I recall one from Melbourne where a woman was lucky not to have eye damage.
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March 5, 2022 9:20am
- peterwn
  
  Flying paving slabs would in aggregate cause more injuries than sponge bullets.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, if the PM addressed the protestors and justified her mandates in a meaningful manner (if she could), there would be no rubber bullets and no pavers thrown.
    Simple eh?
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:07am
- I remember when
  
  San Diego Police Department:
  Annual Military Equipment Report 2021:
  Exact Impact 40 MM Sponge Rouind Model 6325:
  Lightweight, high speed projectile with a maximum effective range of 120 feet.
  Used in conjunction with 40 MM launchers may be deployed to impact subjects demonstrating assertive or life-threatening behaviour, also to control resistive subject reasonably believed to possess, or have immediate access to, a deadly weapon.
  Prop 65 Warning:
  This poduct can expose you to chemicals including Lead salts, Methylene Chloride and Hexavalent Chromium, which are known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Lead Salts, which are known to the State of California to cause birth defects and other repoructive harm.
  
  Could the cure be more dangerous than the problem.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:14am
  - MCōs
    
    Americans are super sensitive about getting sued.
    I’m guessing the chances of those chemicals being a problem to the guy firing the weapon are infinitesimal, but you never know and the warning has been given.
    
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    March 5, 2022 5:17pm
plc

Has anyone adequately answered why far right extremists and white supremacists were seeking refuge at a marae in Wainuiomata?
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March 5, 2022 9:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Were they white supremacists? I haven’t seen pictures but perhaps they were Maori who had been at the protests and somehow assumed they could crash at anyone’s marae without asking.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:56am
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    Tradition?
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:15am
  - Cassandra
    
    I think your probably right, mike, but you’d think for $55 million we could get the actual answer to that. We can get the colour of Ms Ardern’s dress or what she’ll serve at her wedding but news? Forget it.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:50am
tf78

Someone has made a wonderful song/video called “Tears of our Nation” 2 March 2022. You can watch it on Bing video. bing.com
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March 5, 2022 9:38am
Give a Man a Fish

The Labour government and its bought media say the protestors at parliament were only there due to the individuals being influenced by misinformation.

I love it! If you think for yourself and disagree with the government you are misinformed. This is exactly the response you would expect from a Media that receives significant funding from the government. Its funding depends on pro-government opinions.

Hey Media! Here’s an idea if you want some respect. Why don’t you turn down all government funding and become independent. If sufficient people enjoy reading your opinions you will flourish. If not, you can continue with one-sided pro-Labour coverage until the money runs out.

Another option is being balanced.
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March 5, 2022 9:40am
Rusty

Sad to hear of sports stars of the 1980s-90’s dying recently of bad health problems aged in their late 40’s -early 60’s — Olsen Fillipana, Tuigamala, Vidiri, and Shane Warne.

Perhaps they let their health go a bit once they retired even Michael Jones and Eroni Clarke have packed on the weight — come on you guys look after your bodies.
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March 5, 2022 9:55am
Maggie Pie

And talking about how mean some people can be to others on social media…..I don’t know why Clarke even bothers tweeting sometimes 🙁

https://twitter.com/NZClarke/status/1499669571095363588
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March 5, 2022 9:59am
Muttonbird

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Bit of blow back on social media for bed magnate, Craig Turner, after he sent an open letter with all the usual tripe.

Yesterday rioters throwing mattresses on bonfires; today, [directors] throwing entire bed companies on the fire,” another wrote.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127955922/calls-for-sleepyhead-boycott-after-director-shares-racist-email

Wouldn’t want to be Sleepyhead’s PR person.
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March 5, 2022 10:11am
- skyblue
  
  Seems a very reasonable load of comments based on what we are seeing. Do the comments offend you cupcake? More reason to buy a Sleepyhead bed.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:47am
- Philview
  
  The so called “racist email” appears to be a summary of facts prepared by Dr. Muriel Newman. To even mention the Government’s separatist policy such as the proposed governance structure of 3 Waters now carries a racist tag per Stuff.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:20am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  The linked report is significantly not about the original claims in the email, which are given in insufficient detail – longest direct quotation is just five words – to know their contextualised truth or untruth, but about hostile social media responses to the email, which tells us nothing useful about the claims or how typical social media is of the population.
  
  If, as Philview writes at 11.20, this is a summary of facts by Muriel Newman, then anyone who has read her summaries at nzcpr.com over the years knows that her commentaries are accompanied by detailed analyses, rather than rants, with clear evidence of race-based attacks on the key principle of one person, one equal vote. Does the reporter think that defending this principle is racist?
  
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  March 5, 2022 3:48pm
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    Does the reporter think? Unlikely nowadays.
    
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    March 5, 2022 4:01pm
Okahu

That sad pathetic figure Bill Barr is now peddling the line he told his boss, the one and only howling shitgibbon, that the story of electoral fraud was “bs” and after a furious response by said shitgibbon, he tendered his resignation, in the Oval Office.

Suggestion he has discovered a vestigial spine should be measured against the idea he had apparently forgotten all this and did nothing to dampen the shitgibbons’ followers ardour for the corrupting stench of this “B S”. Until spruiking his new book.

You might think that here on Kiwiblog where the shitgibbons’ ignorant champions howl his praises, this must be difficult to accept? Wrong. Wait and watch for the saddest most deluded of the trumpwits to come to their soon to be incarcerated god’s defence against the charge his own attorney general told him he was full of shit re electoral fraud.

Still, what a craven toady Barr is. A pillar of intellect and decency in the administration he ‘served’, but a craven toady all the same. You can see how he got the job. As we see in Russia, nasty fucks surround themselves with craven toadys.
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March 5, 2022 10:34am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  So angry. Seek help today.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:23am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Struggling to find any logic in your hate. Trump did something he didn’t like. He told him so and resigned. You call him a spineless toady. TDS?
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, Trump got so far out of line that even one of his chief enablers couldn’t stomach it any more.
    
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    March 5, 2022 11:54am
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      How was Barr an enabler other than by carrying out the duties of his department?
      
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      March 5, 2022 1:54pm
    - ByGolly
      
      The return of Trump will be epic 😉
      
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      March 5, 2022 10:52pm
  - Okahu
    
    Struggling to find any reason for your response pal. Told us nothing but you sometimes struggle to form an intelligible sentence.
    
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    March 5, 2022 3:26pm
- Cassandra
  
  That’s nonsense. Bill Barr is worth 10 of Trump.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:52am
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Watching the lunatic protestors in Wellington made me realise that the true cost of our freedom is the price we pay by providing it to the feral underclass who neither respects it or deserves it.

The only redeeming feature of the protest has been the opportunity for Kiwis to see how dumb, disgusting, and despicable the coalition of covidiots really are.

The Police showed admirable restraint when confronted with the violence and filth of the protestors.
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March 5, 2022 10:35am
- skyblue
  
  The govt gives to more ferals in the form of benefits. Go for a run Forrest.
  
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  March 5, 2022 10:49am
- Russ the Muss
  
  You sound like ar real piece of work. Do you look at yourself in the mirror each day and congratulate yourself for being awesome, and so much better than your under class?
  I thought your underclass showed a great deal of restraint when outnumbred, out gunned and against well trained people kitted put in armour and sheilds. You can’t bash away emotions or a movement and me thinks they won’t go away no matter how much you abuse them champ.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:00am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  gump
  You’re like the poor battered wife who assaults the person trying to intervene as the husband goes to town on her.
  
  “No, Ardern loves us! She does. She’s really a good person, and maybe even it’s all my fault.”
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:21am
- kevn
  
  @gump… So you watched the last 24 hours of the rally then?
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:24am
- Lee C
  
  Nudge nudge, wink wink, eh Gump?
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:00pm
- glowworm
  
  Thank you gump.
  
  I don’t see or share your logic, therefore I am indeed one of the feral underclass who does not respect freedom or indeed deserve it.
  
  What shall be done with ferals like me?
  
  Are you a good German?
  
  https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-tribunes/the-day-i-understood-good-german
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:33pm
- Okahu
  
  Having had experience in cow sheds, I thought how fitting that the protestors were moved with hoses.
  
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  March 5, 2022 3:30pm
- wilderbeast
  
  “Feral underclass who neither respects who deserves it” [freedom]
  
  That is not the NZ I know or want. Consigning a group of people to a pejorative label and removing their freedoms is the stuff of despot nations in the third world.
  
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  March 5, 2022 9:15pm
tree

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-figure-still-cant-be-named-despite-losing-suppression-decision-in-corrupt-wealthy-businessmans-case/YMIVZN74V2YM4KDKSB4KJHSXGM/

[Idiot. Anyone here breaching name suppression (you know what that is right?) will be reported to the Police and get a lifetime ban on KB. mod.]
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March 5, 2022 10:40am
rouppe

I ordered test kits from the govt website this week. Tried to pick them up that day but queue was hundreds of metres long, and I have a job.

Next day went to collection point but line was about 100 and, I have a job. On the off chance went to the other place, the queue was relatively short so I jumped in.
Get to the triage point and they say they’ve run out of tests.

Yesterday go to the community centre first thing, but it’s closed because there’s a tangi nearby.

Today about 60% of the pickup points are closed for the weekend including Waikanae. I go into sky stadium because it opens earlier. Queue about 1km long. Not doing that.

Back to the community centre in Porirua. Queue not too bad, and if its Saturday so I get in.

Hour later in second from front. Car in front gets two cartons. Short conversation then 2 more. Then 2 more. She goes and gets more and hands more over. In total it must have been at least 10 cartons. Not sure how many tests in a carton, call it 5.

I’m next.
“Hi, I have this order num…”
“Were not doing that were just for symptomatic people and household contacts”
“But you’re on the health point site as a collection point”
“That’s an error we’re asking them to take us off. Do you have symptoms.”
[I can see what’s coming, lie alert]
“Yes, headache and runny nose”
“Here you go”

I get 1 test. Not 1 carton, 1 test.

“But you just handed out 10 cartons to the car in front”
“They have 4 households with symptoms Sir! ”
“According to who? Just cause they said? You’ve given them 50 to 100 tests that can be sold on Facebook for $10 each, you’ve just given them $1000 and I’m only good for 1 test? ”

Unsurprisingly the conversation ended there.

Worst. Government. Ever
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March 5, 2022 10:57am
- MCōs
  
  You could have saved yourself all that shagging round and bought one for $10 through Facebook marketplace.
  
  And then dobbed them in.
  
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  March 5, 2022 2:34pm
  - rouppe
    
    Dob them in to whom?
    
    MoH would do nothing. Police have other more pressing matters.
    
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    March 5, 2022 5:36pm
    - MCōs
      
      I was thinking the local mafia
      
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      March 5, 2022 7:04pm
Philview

Sir Russell Coutts, Winston Peters and Vladimir Putin. The ODT’s editorial linking those 3 together makes me shake my head. Going to a protest to find out for yourself what is going on should not be mentioned in the same breath as invading a sovereign country and slaughtering the people who live there.

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/wrong-side
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- I remember when
  
  Editorial: Opinion piece by the Editor.
  Hardly necessary now that newspapers are full of opinion pieces.
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:35am
  - MCōs
    
    An editorial is the opinion of the editor(s) on behalf of the publication.
    An opinion piece by someone else isn’t.
    
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    March 5, 2022 2:51pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Peters only went to get his name in the press, vulgar as ever
  
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  March 5, 2022 11:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m not so sure about that. At least he met the protestors, talked with them and made his summation of the situation clear. This is more than Luxon and Seymour have done.
    Luxon and Seymour were presented with the golden opportunity to enhance their standing and votes in the eyes of the Free-Thinking public but chose not to. IMO, this was unforgivable.
    PS: I’m not a Labour, Greens or Winston 1st voter.
    
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    March 5, 2022 12:37pm
-D

Totally cringeworthy performance by Nanaia on Newshub Nation this morning re Ukrainian sanctions.

Disgraceful.
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March 5, 2022 11:01am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Back at Boarding School, we were taught this hand-sign represented….. ‘The Devil’s Horns’.

Why is our PM engaged in making Freemason Satanic Symbols?

https://twitter.com/risemelbourne/status/1499510202554413077

I tell you, there’s something going on…..
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March 5, 2022 11:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s so spooky…
  
  It’s not a finger movement you would do unconsciously…. like raising your pinky when having a cuppa
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Even YOU’VE got 3 downticks Maggs!! It’s those bloody Freemasons…..
    
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    March 5, 2022 3:04pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh heck, don’t they know I’m not RC?
      
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      March 5, 2022 3:33pm
- Rusty
  
  Maggie — Remember Jacinda saying Metallica was one of her favourite bands. That group is into satanic garbage.
  
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  March 5, 2022 2:41pm
Alan Wilkinson

Had a call from a friend today on the edge of tears as she has been ill for weeks since her booster. She wasn’t well before it so it’s not easy to identify cause. But not everyone suffers little or no reaction like me – mandates are not kind.
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March 5, 2022 12:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A couple of my mates have also had a bad reaction to their booster… although not to the extent of your friend (sick – nausea, diarrhoea; achy; swollen arm; tire – for a few days).
  
  Interestingly enuf, I’m no longer being nagged to get boosted by the folks who were pretty vocal about getting vaxxed at earliest opportunity.
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:26pm
- Pavel
  
  I know three people who have had bad reactions to the jab. One is a local tradesman across the Harbour from you Alan. First jab he had a major heart attack within 10 minutes and was in hospital for two weeks and required a triple heart bypass. Is in his early 30s with no family history of heart problems. Another friend, 48, now has seizures and passes out daily yet had never had a seizure before the jab and has no family history of seizures. Another friend, 28, now suffers severe tiredness and can’t work anymore. All 3 were forced to get the jab to keep their careers. All three are now unemployed and on the sickness benefit wondering how much longer they will live for. They won’t be getting their second shots let alone the booster.
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:59pm
Philview

Any thoughts on this: Russia has invaded Ukraine and is threatening nuclear missile attacks on the rest of the world. Should the Governments be preparing their people for a worst case scenario? Back in the 70s there were early warning systems etc that were regularly tested. Do we just assume “she”ll be right”?
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March 5, 2022 12:10pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It would be nice if Biden stopped telling us what Putin will do next and started telling us what he will do.
  
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  March 5, 2022 12:38pm
Gulag1917

15,000 Russian speakers murdered by the Ukraine military in the Dombass region.
8,000-25,000 estimated Nazi sympathisers in the Ukraine army.
Must be the only army in the first and second world that tolerates extremists.
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March 5, 2022 12:51pm
- CommanderC
  
  Only Nazi concentration camps officially reported by both Russian and Western human rights organisations is in Russia. Chechnya, to be precise, for gay Chechens.
  
  Last time I heard from Putin, Chechnya was part of Russia.
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:29pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  A blinkered view of the real history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
  
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  March 5, 2022 2:14pm
- mandk
  
  And your unimpeachable source is?
  
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  March 5, 2022 2:47pm
- rangitoto
  
  How many of those Russian speakers were Ukrainians opposed to Vlad’s annexation?
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:20pm
septic skeptic

Kyora Kiwibloggers,
So Luxon has reversed their decision on not standing in Maori seats. No doubt they will come up with some tasty pork barrel policies to keep the gravy train running.
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March 5, 2022 1:11pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m surprised because National don’t appear to stand for anything
  
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  March 5, 2022 1:49pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Unlike you not to present a well researched view 🙂
    But I guess it’s going to put paid to Labour plans to enable Maori/General roll switching pre 2023 election.
    “Another focus is looking at when people can move between the Māori Electoral Roll and the General Roll. At the moment Māori voters won’t be able move rolls before the 2023 General Election.”
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-review-electoral-law
    
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    March 5, 2022 2:42pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      This was my research:
      Luxon is hoping National will be more successful this time around saying they are the Party for Maori.
      
      “Maori have done incredibly well under National, if you think about the Treaty settlements, the Maori economy that unleashed and is booming and even the outcomes we got with Maori education,” he told Newshub Nation.
      “I have been quite clear in my Treaty of Waitangi remarks and iwi leader forums Maori can do well under National and I need to be clear about that and make my case about it. I appreciate we have a lot of work to do but we should get on and get going with that.”
      
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      March 5, 2022 3:59pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      National stands for whatever looks to secure them POWER. Principles be damned. With the greatest apologies to Groucho Marx… ‘These are my policies. If you don’t like them I have others’
      
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      March 5, 2022 4:56pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        The thing I really don’t understand is WHY National think there are votes for them if they promote more of the settlement/grievance/apartheid agenda. The overwhelming majority of Maori are tribal Labour. One would imagine even more so for those electing the Maori roll. Maybe, just maybe it is because they have figured out that under MMP it doesn’t matter who wins the Maori electorates unless there is a Maori party overhang. Hence they might be doing this to shaft the Maori party. Seems a longshot though.
        If they think pork-barrelling the Maori seats is a vote winner then words fail me.
        
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        March 5, 2022 5:06pm
- MCōs
  
  Judith Collins reversed National’s decision made after the 2002 Election of not contesting the Māori seats. It seems Chris Luxon, who has noticed the seats ain’t going away, confirms her call.
  
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  March 5, 2022 3:28pm
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The wife and I picked up our RAT this morning in Whangarei. We each received a box containing five test kits.

It took less than 15 minutes to drive through the pickup shed. No long lines of cars.

Does anyone know when we might be able to obtain more or will we have to purchase them when we run out?
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March 5, 2022 1:21pm
- rouppe
  
  Count yourself lucky. I went through the order process and then got 1.
  
  As in 1 test, not one carton. After an hour in a queue
  
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  March 5, 2022 5:40pm
Lee C

Is this verified?
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221512426704627&set=a.10201031217367194
maybe this is why some people want ‘social media’ censored…
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March 5, 2022 3:04pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Looks like it has been.
  
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  March 5, 2022 3:17pm
Maggie Pie

Just dropped my partner at the Viaduct and headed home along the motorway.
Flew past an old smoke-blowing Mazda….noticed the driver was alone in the car wearing a FACEMASK!

F- -k me, eh. SHEESH!!
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March 5, 2022 3:13pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I have to admit I did it yesterday, Maggie. But it was just because I was driving three hundred metres down the road from one shop to another and couldn’t be bothered taking it off and putting it n again. Still felt weird though.
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You don’t happen to drive a lite-bloo Familia do you Al?
    
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    March 5, 2022 4:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wearing the mask might be more related to the blowing smoke than covid.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  March 5, 2022 4:46pm
Maggie Pie

JUST WOW!!

Scotty from Marketing is giving Warney a State Funeral…and Dicktator Dan is going to rename the MCG Stand in his honor – ‘The SK WARNE STAND’

– Sky News
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March 5, 2022 5:25pm
ClanMcleod

SAGE in the UK being disbanded.

When is NZ dumping out idiot advisors?

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/04/sage-stood-down-signifying-end-of-pandemic/
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