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Batman

192 Republicans today voted against $28m for baby formula for US children.

EDIT: it appears there are two Bills so I have removed most of the original comment, as it is no longer accurate. The second Bill was as follows:

“The House votes 414-9 in favor of a bill ensuring access to baby formula with low-income women, infants, and children (WIC) benefits during this shortage.

All 9 NO votes were Republicans, including Boebert, Gaetz, Gohmert, Gosar, Massie, and Marjorie Taylor Greene.”

So only 9 of the usual suspects who are pro-starving babies.
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December 19, 2021 4:02pm
- CJames
  
  It would actually help you did a bit more research on the subject before mouthing off.
  The administration has known about this issue since February. They cannot just import formula from the EU or even NZ. As well as the agricultural protectionism, the main problem is the FDA has to approve the nutritional labelling on the cans!!
  https://nypost.com/2022/05/13/ex-fda-official-reveals-how-agency-caused-baby-formula-crisis/
  https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/12/the-fda-was-making-it-difficult-for-moms-to-get-baby-formula-long-before-the-supply-chain-imploded/
  
  The Congress bills do not address any of the underlying issues, just a kneejerk reaction to bad newspaper headlines.
  
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  May 19, 2022 5:41pm
  - CJames
    
    Took a while to find it but here is the FDA’s ban on milk formula that was only rescinded yesterday. As well as from China and India, they have placed milk formula from many EU countries on The Red List to be confiscated
    https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_116.html
    Note the text ” The products appear to be misbranded within the meaning of Section 403(a)(1)/201(z) of the FD&C Act in that the product label is false or misleading because the product purports to be an infant formula intended to be used as the sole source of nutrition by infants less than 12 months old but the product is not labeled as required by 21CFR107. Specifically (but not limited to), (1) the translated product labeling contain the statements “…When breast milk is absent or not enough, Ekobaby is a good choice…” and “According to different nutritional needs of different ages, Ekobaby infant formula products have different assortments. Ekobaby 1 is infant formula for newborn baby from 0 month, Ekobaby 2 follow on formula is for baby from 6 months old, and Ekobaby 3 growing-up formula is for baby above 10 months old”; therefore, the products appear to be infant formulas intended for infants less than 12 months old; and (2) the products do not appear to declare nutrients in accordance with the requirements in 21 CFR 107.10(a).” or this
    “Notes: Section 403(a)(1) of the FD&C Act in that the labeling is false or misleading because the product purports to be an infant formula intended to be used as the sole source of nutrition by infants less than 12 months old; however; the product is not labeled as required by 21 CFR 107.; Section 403(e)(2) of the FD&C Act in that the label or labeling fails to declare accurate statement of quantity or contents in avoirdupois pound in accordance with 21 CFR 101.7.”
    They introduced this notice of a ban AFTER they knew they were going to be short of baby formula.
    
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    May 19, 2022 7:14pm
  - CJames
    
    And here is the FDA today saying it isn’t a supply problem, just a distribution one.
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/16/fda-head-no-baby-formula-shortage-just-distribution-issues/
    So, Batman, why did they need the $28M bills, other than to try to create bad publicity against the Republicans to shift the blame for Democratic administration stuffups?
    
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    May 19, 2022 7:22pm
mikenmildagain

It’s a special day in Turkey, and in Greece, today. Turkey celebrates 19 May as the anniversary of Ataturk’s launch of the national revolution. Greece has chosen the day to commemorate the genocide by Turks against the Greeks that had started before the first world war and continued to 1922.
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May 19, 2022 8:04am
- Cassandra
  
  Sad that Ataturk’s vision for Turkey is now in tatters. Amazing how one man can have such an effect. Kemal, Erdogan, Putin.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sounds like the Turks have a lot to answer for since whenever and it still goes on.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Counterpoint: the Turks saw their empire dismantled and appropriated by Britain and France and *just* wanted a Turkish homeland.
    
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    May 19, 2022 8:28am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      The Turks sided with the wrong side. And even then, still had a place called…… oh, that would be Turkey as their homeland mike.
      
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      May 19, 2022 8:45am
    - Cassandra
      
      Anatolia was their homeland. Greeks had been living on the Black Sea and Aegean Coasts for aeons. Those areas were never Turkish – most of the Sultans/Caliphs were European.
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:16am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Greeks had been living in Pontus (south coast of the Black Sea) since before the days of Alexander the Great. Before Rome, Byzantium & the Ottomans.
        
        Think about that for a minute.
        
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        May 19, 2022 7:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They are allowed to stab below the waist in Turkey, what could possibly go wrong?
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:40am
- CJames
  
  I thought the current Turkish regime would be downplaying any reference to Ataturk. IIRC, Ataturk did not want any Islamic influence in what his vision for the modern Turkey would be.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:53am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Nope. Still a revered national hero.
    
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    May 19, 2022 8:55am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      It appears the Oz election is closing up. Until a week ago the polls and pundits had Labor as a slam dunk winner. Now the undecideds the Quiet Australians are speaking and their support is with the Coalition.
      This happened in 2019 so no surprise. A Labor/Green government would be a disaster for both Oz and NZ. We need a strong Oz to buy our goods and services and along with other countries diversify away from China.
      
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      May 19, 2022 8:59am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Are you talking about Dr Oz? He’s Turkish:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania#Republican_primary
        
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        May 19, 2022 9:12am
      - Cassandra
        
        One of whom – Oz or his hedge fund rival – will face John Fetterman, the left-wing Democratic candidate. Oz v Fetterman will be a circus.
        
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        May 19, 2022 9:31am
      - Batman
        
        Fetterman has been around a while and knows his stuff. The biggest ‘if’ factor now will be his recovery from a minor stroke he had last week.
        
        For sure will be a very interesting race. As I saw someone say online, Fetterman should probably want to take on the guy that “lives in Jersey and votes in Turkey”
        
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        May 19, 2022 11:24am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The media said it was a lay down, but if you watch the Aussie news channel, the government had the lead for some time, but it was not in front with the 2 party preferred, let’s not forget the rotten medias wish last Aussie election
        
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        May 19, 2022 9:45am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Nonsense. Ataturk is not revered as a national hero other than in the pro-Western cafe enclaves in trendy parts of Istanbul. Ataturk’s anti-Islamic, pro-secular stance is used by Erdogan to drum up support from predominantly Islamic rural communities, and having been to Turkey three times I can say this is getting more pronounced.
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:33am
      - Matt Long
        
        As I recall Ataturk killed thousands of Islamist leaders to create a secular state.
        Now that Erdogan has regressed Turkey to an Islamist state and killed, repressed or imprisoned secularists, I can’t see them celebrating Ataturk.
        
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        May 19, 2022 11:20am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Citation required.
        Ataturk can be presented as a traitor to Islam or a Turkish national hero depending on the requirement.
        The Turkish school children visiting the shrines to Kemal at Gallipoli certainly won’t be getting the ‘traitor’ version.
        
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        May 19, 2022 12:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are very clever when it comes to comments like this Mike. Keep it up.
  Are you a historian in somewhere like Te Papa?
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m certainly not informed enough to work in a museum.
    
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    May 19, 2022 1:06pm
- MCōs
  
  I used to work with Serbian chap who absolutely loathed Turks.
  I’d never met anyone before who carried such a hatred for another race like that so I made sure never to get onto the subject.
  However one day he was away on a rant so I asked him why he hated Turks.
  He thought for a moment, which was a bit of a giveaway, and then brought up some battle from 500yrs ago.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:55am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Greeks the same. Planning a visit to Turkey from Greece absolutely everyone said “What do you want to go there for?”. Cultural sensitivity was displayed by turning mosques into supermarkets.
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:15am
    - kowtow
      
      Hagia Sophia.
      
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      May 19, 2022 10:24am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Did you mean to write Ayasofya-i Kebir Cami-i Şerifi?
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:00pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Ayasofya-i Kebir Cami-i Şerifi? Not for it’s first 1000 years.
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:10pm
  - stiff cheese
    
    It must have been one of the battles that saved Europe from Islamic conquest — you should have thanked your colleague.
    
    Of course, the most important battle was at Vienna, when Poland’s Sobieski arrived with his cavalry and saved the day.
    Should be a National Holiday in every western country.
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:00am
    - Don Beckett
      
      100 years before, the Catholic fleet defeated the Ottoman Turk fleet at the Battle of Lepanto under the leadership of Don John of Austria – one of the greatest naval victories in history. This prevented the Muslim raiders from terrorising the Mediterranean as they had been doing for 700 years, and, combined with the Battle of Vienna broke the military stranglehold that the Muslims enjoyed since defeating the Byzantium empire based in Cosntantinople, whom they had been attacking for several hundred years, instigating the Crusades.
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:53pm
      - stiff cheese
        
        I read the book about Lepanto. Always meant to reread it someday.
        I must dig it out of long term storage.
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Probably the 1389 Battle of Kosovo, one of the reasons Serbia was so reluctant for Kosovo to be ruled by ethnic Albanians that it went to war there 600 years later.
    
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    May 19, 2022 1:05pm
- The Other Enoch
  
  Roger me rigid with a broomstick! Mikey has received several upticks. I nearly fainted when I saw 29, yes 29 upticks. Such a change that I thought for a moment that tonight the sun might set in the east. Well done Mikey, keep ‘em coming. I enjoy the repartee.
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:08pm
krazykiwi

Hilarious walking back on the part of Binden: The much vaunted Disinformation Governance Board has been shelved. This initiative was always going to be a tough sell, given that Biden’s administration promotes the idea that men can get pregnant. Oh, and also that the Board’s remit would have comprehensively shredded the constitution to the point where lawyers were licking their cops in anticipation of their forthcoming bonanza.
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May 19, 2022 8:05am
- RalphT
  
  Licking their cops? Now that is kinky.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:08am
- Ehlana
  
  I know it’s too early in the morning for spelling krazykiwi, but the image of lawyers licking their cops has given me a good laugh to start the day.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Lols. That elusive ‘haech’
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:10am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Disinformation Governance Board?
  
  Orwell was bang on. wasn’t he! Very Ministry of Truth vibe!
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just put that in Facebook, for the ‘fact checkers’ to flag it
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:52am
  - G152
    
    A pity fake news doesnt have ‘fact checkers’
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They do, and all the fact checkers at CNN fact check all the others at CNN before it goes to air.
      A wait….
      
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      May 19, 2022 4:50pm
- thirteenstars
  
  This was as close as the US has come to having the equivalent of the NZ Censor’s Office. Laughable that Biden & Co. would try to make this fly. Any action arising from it would have been thrown out by the first court it was challenged in.
  
  Unfortunately, Kiwis–while ridiculing this attempt–seem quite happy to give free reign to their own “disinformation boards” in various guises, mainly the Censor’s Office.
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The reason was the stupid woman he put as head is an out and out Leftie, (she belongs with the squad of fools) she has been outed on several issues during the last election snd the pandemic and has been found to be the biggest disinformation blight on the US, she has also stated is disinformation to say these illegals we see daily crossing the border from Mexico are illegal, another fail by this old fool
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:32am
NK

Four days since the release of the Emissions Reduction Plan and no post on this blog about it. Weird IMHO.
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May 19, 2022 8:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I understand DPF has announced that he will be making plans to make an announcement about the project to look into starting a conversation about how to reduce emissions. So there’s that.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    While he does that I’ll rip up and down the motorway in my V8* delighting in the power delivered to modern civilization via hydrocarbons.
    
    *I don’t really have a V8 any more [weeps gently]
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I miss my V8s too. The old Premiers, even a Holden Sandman. Reduced to a Prado V6.
      Fuck the Emission wankers. NZ can not help the so called ‘climate change’
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:57am
    - Alwynn
      
      Better you should get a V12. Try the Aston Martin DB11 Vantage AMR.
      V8’s sound dreadful when compared to the wonderful howl of a V12. Nothing can compare to that.
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just prefer the V8 sound like KK does. 308 Holden, and the Sandman was the best motor Chev made, the 350 small block
        
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        May 19, 2022 4:54pm
    - Hebe123
      
      Or:much you could call a motorway 🙁
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:37pm
- Nickc2
  
  Not really, there are a lot of posts that simply disappear with no reference or notification whatsoever.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:44am
- krazykiwi
  
  DPF might be waiting until Luxon’s imminent and likely broadly supportive commentary can be spun in a way to limit any stampede to ACT.
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:14am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I wonder how many people who don’t want to do anything about climate change would be still voting National? Wouldn’t most of them already have decamped to ACT?
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:41am
    - krazykiwi
      
      It’s a reasonable question, Wayne. Perhaps a more poignant one might be to ask what ‘doing something about climate change’ actually means. A vast number of people are happy to signal their virtue by wanting ‘something done’, but this number is decimated when those same people are asked how much they’re prepared to pay.
      
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      May 19, 2022 10:59am
    - kiwimike
      
      no Wayne the majority is still giving you a chance to come right.
      But when they realise you are the same as James Shaw, they’ll get the message.
      
      To replace a 1,000 MW coal plant you need about 5,000 MW solar. That needs about 40 square miles. There are 240 coal plants making 22% of American electricity. 200 x 40 square miles is 8,000 sq miles. That’s just coal. And still need to solve the no sunlight no electricity problem.
      
      But they turn off at night!
      Wind only runs for 30% of the time.
      James Shaw why don’t you give all the facts….
      
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      May 19, 2022 11:01am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        James Shaw will single handedly solve the climate emergency declared by Cindy.
        
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        May 19, 2022 12:53pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        There are options other than solar and wind to replace Huntly, especially since it needs to cover both base load and high peaks. How about the hydro canal project on the north side of the Waitaki River, or more geothermal.
        
        While National has accepted the emissions targets, there are many ways to achieve them.
        
        I know many commenters on this site don’t buy into the idea of human induced climate change, the reality is that it accepted by every western government, usually on a bi partisan basis. I can’t really imagine any New Zealand government, including governments with a significant ACT component, that will not have a climate change policy designed to meet the emissions targets.
        
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        May 19, 2022 4:44pm
    - pdm
      
      Already there Wayne – went in 1996.
      
      Just a shame ACT have never had a credible candidate in Tukituki so stick with National for my electoral vote. Actually not so bad because in recent times both Craig Foss and Laurence Yule have been streets ahead of anyone other partys put up.
      
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      May 19, 2022 11:13am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Never waste your electoral vote with ACT. They can’t win any electorate other than Epsom. So if you don’t want party vote National, then vote ACT as it will add to Centre-Right block’s tally.
        
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        May 19, 2022 12:54pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nats are only saying get support the timeframes, they have stated that not one more dent should be forced on people or businesses, but if Labour are in power in 2035, then the Nats can belt them around the head with the failure of their wokeism
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:11pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The question isn’t whether a person wants to “do anything about climate change” or whether they don’t.
      
      It is: why would anybody in their right mind, with an ounce of intelligence and the ability to think, believe for a moment that anything that man can do might influence the climate?
      
      Your question becomes academic at this point.
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Because it was another crock of shit, as they fail to meet their targets, then the Nats can belt hem around the head with it, they supported the targets to put them in a position if they failed, they can be called out
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:08am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh how helpful, TV1 News has supplied a wee glossary of some of those Te Reo phrases we hear nowadays

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/08/11/1news-maori-phrase-glossary/

Gee, I wonder if RNZ could do similar.

Somehow that learn by osmosis method (whereby no translation is provided) doesn’t work for me.
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May 19, 2022 8:09am
- Ehlana
  
  It’s Look and Guess Maggy, which was the new way of teaching reading in schools at one stage. You just guess a word that makes sense in the sentence and that’s good enough.
  
  You shouldn’t allow other people to oppress you with their interpretations of words. Your meaning is just as valid as theirs, after all.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I find it interesting that you consider yourself so helpless in the face of words you don’t understand. You seem to have remarkable powers of research in many other areas.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:57am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You do droll so well. As with any of us, we research what we are interested in. This coercion to learn another language against our wishes will have the exact opposite effect. Though brainwashing via mass media seems to be Ardern’s favourite method of bending others to her will. All at the expense of the taxpayer of course.
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:05am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Thank you. Always nice to hear from another fan.
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:14am
      - krazykiwi
        
        The only fan near you has effluent passing through it.
        
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        May 19, 2022 10:19am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No one wants to have to bloody work it out, FFS it’s the 6 O’clock news, by god how things have slipped
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:09am
  - Ehlana
    
    I can’t speak for Maggy, miken, but I was taught that it was up to the person doing the communicating to choose language that would be understood by the recipients. Using words they won’t know or understand is unprofessional, discourteous and arrogant.
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:24am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s a good reminder not to use long words in Kiwiblog comments. Thanks
      
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      May 19, 2022 3:26pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Those Covid ads could do with a glossary too. Some are almost completely unintelligible now.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:08am
  - k1w1
    
    I sure as hell don’t want any covid up my hohihepa, thank you very much.
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:50am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Good! People won’t know wtf they are saying then and won’t follow Ardern’s moronic instructions!
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:53am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Go to most tourist shops in Vietnam and there is usually an array of nicely presented and scary/hilarious communist propaganda which can be purchased as a memento.
    
    Ardern’s lies will similarly be available as posters for my grandchildren’s children.
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:17am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Her insanity of the last few years should be in school history as an example of how terribly wrong things can go when you vote for smile over substance.
      Free and critical thinking needs to be heavily supported in education.
      
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      May 19, 2022 10:35am
      - mawm
        
        Do you honestly believe that a National government would not have gone down the same path – the path dictated by Gates, WHO and WEF?
        
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        May 19, 2022 11:33am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Do not forget the simple fact that she could still be PM when your grandchildren’s children are of working age….
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:56pm
- Cinematic
  
  A few years down the track the msm will belatedly realise no one has been paying the slightest attention to this word soup and desist. So much wasted energy on a language not worth persisting with.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:36am
  - Batman
    
    A recent poll found 8/10 New Zealanders increasingly value it.
    
    You’re firmly in the minority with that view, I’m afraid.
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:22am
    - Frank the tank
      
      If that was the case then why is there such opposition to three waters and co-governance?
      
      If you seriously believe in the current climate you are deluded.
      
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      May 19, 2022 11:45am
      - Batman
        
        Both of those things can be true at the same time.
        
        You don’t have to be an anti-language knuckle dragger to be opposed in principle to three waters and governance ideas (which have not yet been defined or refined).
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:04pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Citation needed!
      
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      May 19, 2022 11:53am
      - Batman
        
        Certainly: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/466096/about-all-the-maori-nonsense-a-response-from-maori-language-commissioner
        
        I was slightly wrong, the Colmar Brunton Kantar polling shows 8/10 see Maori language as part of our identity, not “increasingly value” it. Means the same though, 80% see it as important.
        
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        May 19, 2022 3:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Citation still needed.
        Your article referred to a Poll but there was no link.
        Sample, questions and methodology would be useful to know. Especially when they ordered the Poll for themselves and their narrative.
        Things can be framed. Just look at the bullshit the cycling zealots get up to.
        
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        May 19, 2022 4:03pm
      - graham
        
        I was slightly wrong, the Colmar Brunton Kantar polling shows 8/10 see Maori language as part of our identity, not “increasingly value” it. Means the same though, 80% see it as important.
        
        Rubbish.
        
        There is a huge difference between something being “part of our identity”, and something that is valued by the majority of people.
        
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        May 19, 2022 5:44pm
    - graham
      
      In today’s environment, it’s hardly surprising that most New Zealanders would feel under pressure to make positive noises about the Maori language. Whatever their true feelings, I imagine many people would be very uncomfortable saying anything negative around Te Reo, lest they be considered “racist”.
      
      But let’s say that figure is accurate, for the sake of argument. Let’s say that 80% of New Zealanders really do value the Maori language. What are they doing about it? How much do they really “value” it?
      
      Two years ago, Te reo Maori was proficiently spoken by around one in 100 New Zealanders, with another 2.7 percent able to hold a basic conversation, according to census figures. In January 2020, that equated to around 185,000 people. Apparently, these 80% of New Zealanders that value the Maori language don’t value it quite enough to actually, y’know, learn it or anything. It’s probably just something that they think oh yeah, the Maori language is part of our culture, we should really value it I guess. But when it comes to doing the hard yards of actually learning it, suddenly it seems the amount of value they place on it isn’t quite that much, after all.
      
      Which is a shame. Because a study published in January 2020 in the Journal of the Royal Society Interface predicted the language is “on a path towards extinction at current learning rates.” But hey, I’m sure it’ll be okay; because those 8/10 New Zealanders who “increasingly value it” are bound to do something about that.
      
      Right?
      
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      May 19, 2022 11:54am
      - Batman
        
        Ahhh yes, the old “the truth is that the only reason people say that is fear. Otherwise everyone conveniently agrees with me.”
        
        Plenty of people are picking up words and phrases. Guess where from? TV! And they are ok with it being used more because it is easier than signing up for a language course.
        
        Setting your made-up bar at the level of people signing up to formally learn said language is silly.
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:12pm
      - graham
        
        Fair enough Batman. I’ll take your word for it that everybody is “picking up words and phrases” from TV (although, can’t honestly say I’ve heard that much on Netflix or Amazon Prime). And of course it doesn’t matter if people don’t actually make the effort to formally learn a language … although, tell me how that works out for somebody who decides they want to play the piano, for example? Would you really class somebody who can bang out Three Blind Mice and Chopsticks as a musician?
        
        I guess the authors of the research article who conclude that, with current learning rates, te reo Māori is on a pathway towards extinction – their words, not mine – have got nothing to worry about.
        
        But let’s féach what happens. If throwing in the occasional abairt on nuacht programs or other programs on the Teilifís helps to fás the language then I have no fadhb with that. É a thabhairt ar!
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:38pm
      - Batman
        
        That’s more straw man stuff Graham. Netflix and Amazon are not NZ organisations are they?
        
        By that logic, all language except for English should be dispensed with because English is the most used internationally. But I don’t see you advocating to forget about using French, Flemish, Dutch, German, Portuguese etc.
        
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        May 19, 2022 3:58pm
      - graham
        
        My point was that more and more people these days are actually consuming more content from sources other than traditional TV.
        
        But I’m sure you’re smart enough to realise that.
        
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        May 19, 2022 5:04pm
      - Batman
        
        And that’s all fine, enough people still watch regular TV, and NZ TV, via other devices and sources.
        
        Sure, they’re watching less Coro and Fair Go etc at the time it is on, but plenty of people still watch regular TV on demand.
        
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        May 19, 2022 5:21pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Would you really class somebody who can bang out Three Blind Mice and Chopsticks as a musician?
        
        My god, you’ve just captured the scene where Batman speaks Te Reo in his job.
        
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        May 19, 2022 6:52pm
    - cmm
      
      A poll result will depend massively on what was asked and how much you ask of people.
      
      I bet all the following would get vastly different results:
      * Children should learn some basic Maori.
      * All schools should teach Maori to fluency, requiring teaching it 1 period a day by replacing some other subject.
      * All schools should teach Maori to fluency, requiring teaching it 1 period a day by extending the school day by an hour.
      * All products sold in NZ shall be sold in bilingual packaging.
      * Shop staff, nurses, etc that are not fully bilingual should be fired.
      
      I learned to speak Afrikaans fluently but only really when I went to the army and was immersed in it. That was after learning Afrikaans, 1 period a day, for 10 years at school.
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:09pm
    - Yabster
      
      can you post the ref to that so called poll Batty – or as usual is it a figment of your imagination? hope its not the run run by TPK- not biased at all…
      
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      May 19, 2022 1:27pm
      - Batman
        
        I posted the link above. Done by Colmar Brunton.
        
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        May 19, 2022 3:59pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You posted a link to where someone quoted a Poll but there was no link to the actual Poll done by Coleman Brunton.
        I guess we are seeing why you are so gullible about so many things.
        Lol
        
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        May 19, 2022 4:06pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Whether a language is worth persisting with is up to those who speak it, ultimately. If they are determined enough to keep it alive, they will.
    
    What annoys me are English sentences which contain random Maori words, meaning not always obvious from context, where I suspect there are perfectly good, well known English words that could have been used. What is the point? The sentence is rendered unintelligible in English and equally so in Maori – for it only contains one or two nouns, and that hardly expresses a thought.
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:29am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, a major part of speaking a language is using the correct grammar, idioms etc.
      
      Just cut and pasting Maori words into English sentences is not Maori.
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:10pm
    - Hebe123
      
      Especially when the majority of the lingo appears to be derived from English words!
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:43pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Take it to Tiraphiti
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:47am
- Opie
  
  What we need is less of this shit forced on us, not more ways of understanding it.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:48am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Only in New Zealand could a communication service such as the TV 1 network news need a glossary to translate its output. Belgium on the other hand had a novel approach they simply broadcast in the various languages that were officially recognised and left them in their original unmolested form
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school TV1 just love teaching 5 year olds
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:01am
  - BeaB
    
    As demonstrated last night with one of their gaggle of political reporters standing in front of the Treasury building (I think) breathlessly and dramatically showing us where THE BUDGET was being prepared, in this very place, O the excitement!
    I wonder if they ever realise how silly and shallow they sound.
    Why do we put up with this puerile reporting on our state tv and radio?
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:31am
- thirteenstars
  
  Oh, just ask your kids and your grandkids. They are having this stuff pounded into their heads every minute of their school day.
  
  Remember: as long as they know Maori, can hug a tree, and know the importance of diversity and inclusiveness, they are deemed to have received a well-rounded education.
  
  Let those kids be your resource. They are our bright and shining future.
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:36am
- Unity
  
  I find the use of Te Reo Maori which is a made-up language, totally inane and irritating. Those who use it sound as though they are cursing. We need an English only channel so we don’t have to put up with this nonsense.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  No need for RNZ to do so, Maggie. RNZ is to merge with TV1.
  
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  May 19, 2022 7:09pm
Matt Long

Just to illustrate it was never about climate,here are some of the things Richard Prebble highlights ETS levies spent on,
Labour with the Greens has taken the $3 billion in the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) to pay for:

• Creating an accessible, responsive and flexible tertiary education and training system

• Developing an income insurance scheme and improved welfare system income adequacy

• Implementing the Tackling Safe Speeds programme to ensure safer speeds around schools

• Improving digital connectivity for rural communities

• Supporting Tikanga-based programmes to support needs and aspirations of whenua Māori entities

• The Essential Freshwater programme
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/richard-prebble-the-emissions-trading-scheme-is-now-a-slush-fund?postId=15d639fd-d495-4c95-918a-d82a21784ee6&utm_campaign=0532219f-322b-43a9-934b-71f0ac50c594&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=647ed0c2-3e60-465c-9336-15755d7285be&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
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May 19, 2022 8:10am
- Matt Long
  
  Note indoctrination of children is high on the list.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:11am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It wouldn’t take very much time to teach the controversy – present clear scientific evidence that contradicts the hysterical thermogeddonist propaganda and deprogram the majority of year 12-13 students, undo all those years of indoctrination.
    
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    May 19, 2022 8:35am
- Nickc2
  
  Scammed money for scam projects/self-interest endeavours.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:17am
- Albert_Ross
  
  This doesn’t “illustrate that it was never about climate”.
  
  The climate policy point of the ETS is to make it more expensive to do things that create emissions, and thus create a stronger economic incentive not to do them. Requiring the surrender of emissions permits in order to emit has that effect, whatever the revenue raised through the sale of permits is spent on.
  
  Earmarking the money specifically to be spent on climate related investment as Prebble seems to want, or redistributing to citizens as a carbon dividend as the Institute wants – those would certainly help to make the ETS more credible to environmentalists and more palatable to the general public. But that’s cosmetic.
  It’s not actually necessary to the effective functioning of emissions trading as an emissions reduction mechanism.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:01am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Fair enough but that’s a technocratic response that ignores that practical needs for a policy to be supported by the people. It smacks of “Let them eat cake”
    
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    May 19, 2022 7:00pm
RockyJ

A call to all Kiwibloggers, can we please stop bagging Jacinda Ardern for the next week?

The reason is that on 26 May she will be giving her address at Harvard University. My bet is that she will pop over to New York for her interview for the job at the UN. The UN boys are likely to check her online reputation in New Zealand.

We want to give her every chance to get this job and leave us alone. Best case scenario is that she will start the following Monday. Please.
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May 19, 2022 8:13am
- mawm
  
  While she is there she’ll probably be signing NZ up to the WHO Pandemic plan, if she hasn’t done so already, so that we can surrender our sovereignty to the globalists when they declare another pandemic, which they are not required to define or release any information about, and through which they can mandate any treatment they want on any citizen of any of the signatory nations.
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:46am
- cmm
  
  #CinD4UN!
  Soon to be #DrCindy4UN!
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:11pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She is not going to leave NZ until she is defeated in 2035 by Max Key.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

The Current Situation In New Zealand is Deeply Concerning 🙁

‘Adern controls the media and the science dialogue through a mixture of government funding and exclusion of dissent. Her government has spent big on saturation advertising advising complete safety and efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine, and continues to do so……’

https://hatchardreport.com/why-the-rest-of-the-world-should-be-very-concerned-about-new-zealand/
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May 19, 2022 8:14am
- Tricati
  
  A good but disturbing read – The overarching point is Ardern has bought and controls the media, hence the narrative.
  The influence of the ‘Clark Foundation’ should not be overlooked in the direction NZ is heading, and that’s not a positive direction for tax-payers.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:31am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    another question could be – how does the Clark Foundation get funded? who funds them? open their books. that might open some eyes.
    
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    May 19, 2022 5:12pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  Guy Hatchard- Lol
  “Hatchard says, via his website, he received an undergraduate degree in Logic and Theoretical Physics from the University of Sussex and his PhD in Psychology from Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, Iowa – a university founded by Indian yoga guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.”.
  
  This is the same guy who started the conspiracy theory that Shane Warne died as a result of Covid vaccination.
  “Just asking questions apparently” was his line.
  Now where have I heard that talking point before?.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:51am
  - mawm
    
    Try and provide some reasoned and referenced debate about what he has written instead of attacking him personally. Oh! I forgot, you are a leftist and reason and debate are foreign concepts. For a start I suggest you do some research for yourself on mental disorders and the left. There are enough credible publications on it.
    
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    May 19, 2022 12:01pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      More fallacies spilling from your mouth.
      I have never been a leftist and my politics are middle/right.
      However I am definitely not part of the conspirational right which has gained ascendancy on this blog since Trump and Covid came along and will treat it with the disdain it deserves.
      Being middle/right does not mean you have to automatically be in favour of some of the more blatant racist twaddle that appears on here either.
      
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      May 19, 2022 1:40pm
      - mawm
        
        Did you even read Hatchard? Or are these just all the beliefs you have about others swirling around in your brain. One thing that is obvious is that you have not done any critical reading on the subjects you have dragged into this conversation but instead have parroted the misinformation put out by the media. If you are not a lefty but middle/right as you claim then maybe you should behave like one.
        
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        May 19, 2022 2:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ross Campbell’s …This is the same guy who started the conspiracy theory that Shane Warne died as a result of Covid vaccination.
        
        It was inevitable that conspiracy theorists would pick up on NZ Woke-ism after a swathe of NZ academics signed the letter of Wiles and Hendy attacking the “Listener seven” scientists who dared to challenge the Woke push to equate Maori knowledge with science.
        
        What else would you expect after the Woke elevated knowledge of an indigenous people,who, before Western contact, were using Stone Age tools and didn’t have a written language?
        
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        May 19, 2022 2:50pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Oh come on that’s all a bit tribal isn’t it.
        If you don’t subscribe to this set of opinions and values and behave in this way then you can’t call yourself middle/right.
        This kind of sounds like how the woke left carry on.
        Anyway I have stated my position so if it does not tick all your boxes for right wing membership then so be it.
        
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        May 19, 2022 3:10pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s a reasonable theory. Excess death data for last year shows that about 2000 more kiwis died during vaccination program of 2021 than through otherwise very similar conditions of 2020. See official data below, Australia is highly similar for same reason (no covid, large increase in excess deaths relative to 2020 during vaccine programs for middle aged and up). From other sources those deaths are mostly concentrated in middle aged (eg Warne) and elderly, and there is no other reasonable explanation that I am aware of – it wasn’t covid or flu or RSV.
    
    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28count%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~NZL
    
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    May 19, 2022 1:03pm
    - Batman
      
      Have you considered economic and social activity factors? Clearly not, beyond vaguely claiming that 2020 and 21 had similar conditions.
      
      Or does that not apply in your drive to erroneously blame the vaccines?
      
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      May 19, 2022 1:17pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        If you want to wave you hands and invoke unspecified demons or whatever then go ahead, but you are offering no argument of substance. Or propose a more explicit mechanism than handwavium if your intellect is up to it. But it will be hard to compete with the obvious strong temporal correlation of vaccine program with increased excess deaths (relative to 2021), – it really was only in those 6 months that it spiked, and it is well established that the vaccines caused a lot of heart issues, myo and pericarditis etc.
        
        The pfizer safety studies were too small to reveal (or disprove) an issue that appears to only kill one in 500-1000 older people – they had less than a thousand elderly in the vaccinated arm of their safety study, but even so there were noticeably more deaths in their study from heart related issues recorded, and more deaths overall than the control, but the numbers were too small to be statistically significant due to small size of study. Such an issue could only ever be revealed by a much larger study such as a large vaccinated population in the absence of covid – and NZ and Australia are the two natural experiment in the whole world where that is possible – and lo and behold in both our countries there does appear to be a numerically huge death toll equal to about 5-7% of normal annual deaths associated with the vaccines.
        
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        May 19, 2022 3:57pm
      - Batman
        
        More waffle than a Waffle House.
        
        No it has not been established. Only by amateur doctors on the internet who continually assign blame without due research.
        
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        May 19, 2022 4:12pm
      - glowworm
        
        The problem is that many of the online “amateurs” are very convincing. And the reason they are convincing is that, if you dare to delve into their work, many of them are almost definitely not amateurs!
        
        Take this guy, for example.
        
        https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org
        
        His predictions are enormously worrisome. But we should not ignore people like him. I do hope he is incorrect, but as yet, apart from handwavium (love that term UrbanNeocolonialist!) I’ve not found any decent scientific critique of his work and/or predictions…
        
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        May 19, 2022 5:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The same method is being used to coerce people to learn another language. Ardern doesn’t do democracy. She is a de facto dictator.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hoa pumau
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:25am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Translation please 😆
      
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      May 19, 2022 10:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        comrade
        
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        May 19, 2022 11:27am
- kiwimike
  
  and when it all turns to custard will we be able to prosecute her ?
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:04am
Simon

Basically that dope and stooge for the UN Luxon thinks he can out centrally plan Labo. Luxon squealing about his ability to control global temperatures better than Labo because he used to sell laundry detergent. What other UN insanities has the dope signed up to.
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May 19, 2022 8:15am
- cmm
  
  Yup he doesn’t seem to have figured out two very basic things:
  * Cindy owns that space. He’ll never be able to be a better Cindy than Cindy.
  * As the wheels fall off, people will be looking for a strong leader with a firm hand on the tiller. They won’t want more wokeness because they see how that is panning out.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:28pm
pdm

Maggie – if todays Stuff Cartoon that grip my be slipping like Arderns Polling is:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832270/jeff-bell-cartoons
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May 19, 2022 8:22am
- westernScientist
  
  might just be a pre budget threat to get the trough topped up
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:59am
  - zulumonster
    
    looks like it worked!
    
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    May 19, 2022 3:14pm
Benedict Yu

So today we have yet another “Wellbeing” Budget. I don’t see how our wellbeing has increased over the last 5 years. Talk to folk who have a million dollar mortgage to buy some shit box in Upper Hutt. Or the parent who can’t get help for their mentally ill child

It is very annoying. I hope that the next government kills this wellbeing stone dead. Instruct the Treasury to pour the Kool Aid in the gutter. Focus on economic growth and productivity. You know those old objectives that keep us in the first world.
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May 19, 2022 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  ‘that keep us in the first world.’
  
  Hanging by a thread.
  
  We’re at or near the bottom of OECD on the education score .
  
  That bode’s very badly bigly for the future .
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:01am
- Cinematic
  
  Yes, I wonder if the media will note the fact that wellbeing as measured by actual improvements to daily life has been -ve. If measured by words and empty slogans the improvement has been off the charts amazing.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:39am
- Master Mariner
  
  Its all part of the ESG nonsense.
  https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/5/18/tesla-dumped-by-sp-esg-index-as-musk-calls-label-a-scam
  And NZ ,
  https://debtmanagement.treasury.govt.nz/investor-resources/new-zealand-government-securities-overview/new-zealand-government-securities-0
  “In addition, New Zealand is amongst the highest rated sovereigns on sustainability and Environmental Social and Governance (ESG) ratings. This includes a ranking of 16 out of 193 countries on the SDG (Sustainable Development Goals) Index.”
  In addition , You now know why your Kiwisaver is taking a dive after ESG investing.
  I am in Musk camp on this, Its a scam. Look how they define ESG and Who?
  How the bloody hell do companies and countries measure this nonsense?
  Just more smoke and mirrors from the most transparent Government ever //
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:00am
  - mawm
    
    BlackRock has decided to abandon ESG. The others can’t be far behind.
    
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    May 19, 2022 12:05pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Interesting NZ has slipped from 16th to 23rd on Sustainability Report in a space of 2 years.
  
  https://dashboards.sdgindex.org/rankings
  
  Scorched Earth Policy.
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:13am
- Master Mariner
  
  Good Video on Youtube regarding ESG
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cw27U1524A&t=69s
  
  Who tops the best ESG, Well Bill and Microsoft of course.
  This where this Government is taking us.
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:26am
westernScientist

Wall street is a bit of a blood bath this morning….. will be interesting to see if the nzx and the NZD follow suit
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May 19, 2022 8:24am
- pdm
  
  wS – I for one would be surprised if the NZ Market dropped a couple of % – not so sure abot the $$.
  
  The downward moves on both might follow release of the Budget rather than the Dow – just a thought.
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:19am
  - westernScientist
    
    nzx 50 down 1.55% dollar down about 0.5 of a cent. The dollar has been having a good tumble for a while now though.
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:36am
Paulus

And it appears that Robertson will borrow another $20 billion to spend for electioneering I expect.
But Treasury cannot sign off the $52 billion spent, theoretically for the Covid Response, as they cannot reconcile the figures as so much appears to be missing. Considerable paper work appears to be unavailable.
Treasury have passed to the Solicitor General who theoretically is non political and outside Parliament.
But with this Government anything is possible.
I expect the files to be lost for some years
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May 19, 2022 8:24am
Scooter

WTF I really think NZ is sinking into a hell hole. How any family can get away with this is beyond me.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/exclusive-unsolved-auckland-baby-homicide-charge-dropped-two-years-after-brutal-killing/
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May 19, 2022 8:24am
- Swifty
  
  Colonisation.
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:19am
- MCōs
  
  Not the first time as we all know.
  Furthermore
  This particular isn’t closed as has been that of the Kahui twins.
  For that matter so have the Crewe, Scott Guy, Bain family murders. Each time the accused was acquitted.
  
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  May 19, 2022 2:21pm
fernglas

Random questions.
1) Name three famous people who have died of Covid
2) What proportion of deaths attributed to Covid have occurred in the morbidly obese/ those with one or more pre-existing conditions/those above 80?
3) Will North Korea escape with as few as 500 deaths from Covid despite the fact that the average citizen is unvaccinated and malnourished?
4) Of the one in five children who have failed to attend school in the last term, how many dropped out because of Covid restrictions, and of those, how many will clog up our justice system and prisons for years to come?
5) What will be the social consequences of kids under 5 being deprived of proper social contact by lockdown, and how do they compare with the premature deaths of a number of their grandparents?
Time for a cost benefit analysis and a Commission of Inquiry whose terms of reference do not include a whitewash of the Civil Service and the Government?
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May 19, 2022 8:27am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  (1) Meatloaf, Peter Sutcliffe (the Yorkshire Ripper) and Tim Brooke-Taylor died of Covid.
  (2) In the UK and Aussie, average age of death was >80 years old, co-morbities 90% in the UK and about 60% in Aussie from memory, based on the released statistic from official sources.
  The others questions are speculative at this time, but I see what you are getting at.
  Shame on the media and the politicians.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:00pm
Maggie Pie

Ma retweets….

ZB NEWS @ 8PM

“Ko ko go go dough dough toe toe Tony Doe tent aye ko tow toe tee waaaaaaah”

😀 😀 😀
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May 19, 2022 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, noticed that on Lush’s show at 10pm. I thought I had found the Maori station.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:38am
- Ehlana
  
  Better than “call Tony Doe a ho”.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:57am
- Ross Campbell
  
  So the inspiration for your overt racism started long before the tennis club.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:02am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Scepticism and irritation over the increasing degree of Te Reo added to public communications / Hatred of the Maori race.
    
    This / is not the same as /That.
    
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    May 19, 2022 12:02pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Moderators, isn’t this considered overt personal attacks on posters? Shouldn’t this be moderated out?
    
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    May 19, 2022 12:02pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Well well.
      Just yesterday you were saying you are not going to read my comments anymore but hey here you are reading them again.
      Secondly if you object to me pointing out posts which are obviously racist then maybe you are no better than the person posting it.
      Food for thought.
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:27pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        milkey….you are such a total COCK!!
        
        😀 😀 😀
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:33pm
CAKE FACE1

The global sharemarkets are slowly slip sliding away, melting down.

It’s not the best time to have a clown government.

The economy is going to get very, very ugly soon. Ouch…
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May 19, 2022 8:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Be warned folks,

Our Dear PM told us yesterday that we are in an economic crisis, the likes of which we’ve not seen in a hundred years.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20220518_20220518_12/tab/video?page=8&mode=form
(6:12)

Clearly, she had seen Grant Robertson’s budget and knows that we are heading for a Great Depression.
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May 19, 2022 8:40am
- westernScientist
  
  She referenced her “record” so much I think it must be broken
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:46am
- bjools
  
  For them, it is not that it exists or will exist
  It’s all down to who or what they can blame.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  How did that happen?????!!!!
  //
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:11am
  - curry4me
    
    Buggered if I know how it happened. Complete mystery.
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:33am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Easy, Russia and energy prices //.
    
    Talk about sleep walking into the Abyss.
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Waste
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:17am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Whoops, Forgot Supply Chains which was obvious to
    all and sundry 2.5 years ago,
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:29am
- amospicton
  
  Isn’t that extraordinary – apart from being highly debatable factually (post Muldoon, GFC, great depression etc) she seems to think it’s despite her being PM rather than because she’s PM. The dissonance is almost beyond belief, except that she has form in this regard. Takes credit for any minor (perceived) success and no blame for the catastrophic errors.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:27am
- Taieri
  
  Our Dear PM told us yesterday that we are in an economic crisis
  ————
  
  Caused by…let me guess:
  Covid pandemic
  Climate change
  War in Ukraine
  
  Or…
  
  May be, just may be…incompetence?
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:27am
- curry4me
  
  No doubt this ‘worst in 100 years economic crisis is all Putins fault. Nothing to do with printing money.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:33am
- surfing
  
  Solution will be to give more money to maori.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:46am
  - mawm
    
    One might as well as it’s going to be worthless shortly.
    
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    May 19, 2022 12:16pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s how stupid she is Depression 80 years ago, yet she knows better, so if we are worse than the Great Depression, then who the he’ll is too blame? FFS she is the most hopeless individual I have ever heard from, and she is running (ruining) the country
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:17am
- nathie
  
  And the PM needs to ask herself, honestly, is she the best person to be leading NZ through a “one hundred year” economic crisis?
  
  Portraying her skillsets of “empathy” and “kindness” won’t do a damn thing this time.
  
  Time for the Imposter to step down (and spend quality time with her family) and help her Mt. Albert constituents. It will be more rewarding.
  
  (And if she had the smarts, she would hand over the reins to say, Grant Robertson, and let his name be forever tainted by the mess they have created)!
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  6.4o the speaker does his normal protection.
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:36am
- kiwimike
  
  she knew that a year ago….
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:05am
- cmm
  
  Dear Cindy.
  
  Since you’re clearly out of your depth and shit is coming our way, wouldn’t it be the right thing to hand over to competent people who might handle things a bit better?
  
  I like to be able to do things. I’m actually pretty competent at first aid and can even do a bit of stitching. But when I need something serious done, then I don’t try. I hand it over to the experts.
  
  I acknowledge my limits. Perhaps you should do so too.
  
  Regards
  
  cmm
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:35pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Even if she sees a budget, she doesn’t have the intelligence to understand it
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:06pm
MCōs

Recently I completed reading Michael Cullen’s autobiography.
He presented an awful lot of budget and had this to say
‘Nobody has ever died from overjoy at a Budget. All the interest groups say they do not get enough for their sector. The National Party has always described a Labour Budget since 1999 as a ‘missed opportunity’ (that is, to cut taxes). The media works desperately hard to forget the predictions they got wrong. And life carries on largely unchanged for most people.”
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May 19, 2022 8:42am
- Yabster
  
  did he also say he was a useless rich prick? rather have pins shoved in my eyes than read that champagne socialist dribble..
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  You meant “a lot of awful budget”
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:26am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sir Cullen’s only aim in life was to increase taxes.
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:07pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

For others interested like me, a former Trump staffer has uploaded more than 125k emails found on Hunter Biden’s laptop to a searchable database, which can accessed here……

https://BidenLaptopEmails.com

(It’s a bit slow loading – hoping for a wet weekend 😛 )
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May 19, 2022 8:54am
- MCōs
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Hunter Biden’s laptop is reminiscent of the Ebola panic that the GOP drummed up just before a midterm election when Obama was President.
  There was pressure on to ban flights from west Africa and some poor nurse returning from the region had to quarantine in a hospital car park.
  As soon as the elections were over so was the panic.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:23am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    10% for the Big-Guy 😀
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:27am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Or all the talk of the President being corrupt etc no longer being relevant that their (big) guy is in power?
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You reckon? People are getting charged with some of the shit on Bidens laptop, He is now being investigated for tax and money laundering but you know better.
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:20am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, amazing at how busy coke heads can be when they are buzzing.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Interesting around and after the 2016 Election.
  Hunter Biden does not even bother deleting spam! There’s a crackhead for you.
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:31am
ClanMcleod

“Big Pharma-funded paper recommends taxing the unvaccinated”

Another conspiracy theory???? Nope.

“A new paper published by Oxford University’s Center for Business Taxation discusses – and in the end supports – the idea of a special tax levied on those who decline to be “vaccinated” against “Covid19”.”

https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/17/big-pharma-funded-paper-recommends-taxing-the-unvaccinated/
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May 19, 2022 9:13am
- mawm
  
  What is in this vaccine that they so want every single person in the Western liberal democratic world to have? They know it doesn’t work as promised, they know it kills people, they know it is driving mutations, and they know that covid has a very low mortality in all but the very old and the obese with co-morbidities. This is insane.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:28pm
Maggie Pie

And will be of REAL concern to many 🙁

The UK has issued a MONKEYPOX Alert!

Gay and Bi-sexual men are urged to look for an ‘unusual rash’……

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1526668915388170242

CAUTION: Disturbing images.
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May 19, 2022 9:21am
- MCōs
  
  Another day, another opportunity for the yellow press to wind everyone up!
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:27am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Did this come from Chynah too…?
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – I don’t know what age you are, but for anyone who grew up through the late 60’s and early 70’s there used to be many, many good investigative journalists in print, TV and radio. TV documentaries in particular (UK) were excellent. From memory there were 3 or 4 every week on only 3 channels. World in Action and Panorama readily spring to mind.
    The descent to the current banal, mindless clickbait has been steady since those times. What people’s brains are exposed to in mainstream media nowadays is destructive. It doesn’t bode well for society.
    
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    May 19, 2022 9:49am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Cossie’s in his 70’s
      
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      May 19, 2022 9:51am
    - MCōs
      
      Interestingly enough I lived in London 1972-3
      The newspapers were awful, in particular the Sun & the even more abysmal News of the World.
      The first edition of the Evening Standard came out about lunchtime with some lurid, shock, horror story in big banner headlines on the front page. The edition that came out after work would have the same story tucked away in a couple of inches on page 12.
      
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      May 19, 2022 12:40pm
      - graham
        
        I somehow doubt that when ClanMcleod talked about “good investigative journalists in print, TV and radio”, The Sun and the News of the World were what sprang to mind.
        
        From Yes, Prime Minister – “Who reads the papers?”
        
        Bernard Woolley: “Sun readers don’t care who runs the country as long as she’s got big tits.”
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:17pm
      - Yabster
        
        The Times. The Independant, The Observer- maybe you lust like the page 3 girls….
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:39pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Before we could afford toilet paper we used to cut up old copies of the tomes you refer to and wipe our arse with them. After checking out Sam Fox on page 3. After the abysmal reporting, the lies and smears from The S@# over the Hillsborough disaster we won’t even mention the name in our family.
        No, I was referring to the actual journalists and documentary makers of the time, responsible for revealing the Watergate scandal. Documentaries like the outstanding BBC Operation Gladio, which exposed the network of CIA operatives, working with the mafia and others in Europe to counter a perceived communist threat.
        Great viewing.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA
        
        The BBC also did the wonderful four part doco on Edward Bernays. Father of PR, called Century of the Self.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04
        
        It was a time when we had real journalists and the fourth estate did their job of holding truth to power. No longer. The mainstream media is the primary tool of the real powers running the planet currently. Hint, it isn’t your government.
        
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        May 20, 2022 8:36am
- mandk
  
  Feels like God or Nature (take your pick) saying again that man:man sex is a bad idea.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:50am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, face masks can cause a rash a bit like jockey itch.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:57am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I wonder how the pox got on a man !
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:25am
curry4me

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/18/bidens-ministry-of-truth-paused-nina-jankowicz-resigns-wa-pos-lorenz-blames-right-wing-attacks-1239496/

Biden’s ‘Ministry of Truth’ paused, Nina Jankowicz resigns; Wa-Po’s Lorenz blames ‘right-wing attacks’.

Denying any partisan motivations behind the rollout of the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Disinformation Governance Board — while President Joe Biden and Democrats actively challenge the right to free speech — the dubiously nicknamed “Ministry of Truth” has been put on pause after expressed concern, leaving the door wide open for further ridicule.
The Washington Post entered a meta state of irony Tuesday when they reported that the board would be shutting down faster than CNN+. In an article titled, “How the Biden administration let right-wing attacks derail its disinformation efforts,” anti-doxing doxer and woebegone victim Taylor Lorenz attempted to pin the immense backlash as “coordinated online attacks.”
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May 19, 2022 9:25am
- Batman
  
  Well the political right couldn’t let anything interrupt its golden Goose of QAnon and election stealing lies. It has been great for their donation accounts!
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:28am
  - All_on_Red
    
    QAnon…
    Snigger.
    You’re so funny with your conspiracy stories.
    Loved that one about Trump and Russia!
    Hahahahahahahaahaa
    
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    May 19, 2022 4:09pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM4LAldQiF8

Turkey blocks NATO expansion!

Getting Finland and Sweden into NATO will take a lot of horse trading with Turkey! [6:40]
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May 19, 2022 9:26am
- Matt Long
  
  Easy, expell Turkey, they would never make it into NATO with their political trajectory.
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:35am
Prince

Interested in Bluff oyster pricing around the country.
Last week New World Thorndon had them at $44 per dozen. I can’t justify that, so it seems this particular NZ ‘Taonga’ is off the menu this year.
Hard to imagine what ‘global cost pressures’ would add $12 per dozen to the price this year.
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May 19, 2022 9:28am
- Batman
  
  Top 1% problems eh? It’s a hard knock life out there.
  
  It’s probably more to do with Labour costs and whether that Oyster disease thing has reduced the catch.
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ma and me shared a dozen at Soul Bar for lunch…$90
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Delicious at Oyster and Chop- don’t know how much.
    I didn’t pay.
    
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    May 19, 2022 4:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $31 per doz up here
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:37am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Free if you pick your own at our cabins. As are the snapper – given a couple of fresh smoked ones by our latest guests utilizing the new smoker there. Delish.
    
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    May 19, 2022 3:43pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Are they ‘Bluffies’ Alan?
      
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      May 19, 2022 4:26pm
      - chukar
        
        My partner makes the oysters further by putting a few of them in a nice fillet steak.Known as a Carpetbagger steak.
        And I might add really delicious!
        
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        May 19, 2022 9:49pm
- Swifty
  
  Prince – if of interest:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128678317/fish-and-chips-may-double-in-price-without-fuel-help-says-fishing-boss
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:38am
- 103PapPap
  
  $33 for first grade in Christchurch, $27 for second grade.
  Wife just bought me a dozen first grade!
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    second grade = smaller.
    $31 per doz up here, and they are small.
    Rumour is Bluff Oysters are now being ‘exported’
    
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    May 19, 2022 5:14pm
Ra Henare

Womens Professional Soccer Team in USA to get equal pay with mens soccer team.

So good news for male models, equal pay to female models

Dont these twerps now that professional sport is actually about entertainment!

So the bigger the crowd you draw….the bigger the paycheque.???

In my day it was called performance pay
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May 19, 2022 9:30am
- Joely Doe
  
  Last time I looked at that, the judge had thrown out the case, as the Women were already being paid MORE than the Men…
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:33am
  - Joely Doe
    
    Oh, I see. It’s basically a sop from the Mens team to shut them up.
    “Yeah, you can share the payments from the tournaments – doesn’t matter to us because these are token payments anyway.”
    
    When the USA Womens team can beat the Dallas U15 Boys team, then we can talk pay parity…
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:41am
- H. Upmann
  
  Performance pay?
  How dare you suggest such a thing!
  Go and sit in the corner right now!
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:35am
- oldfella
  
  Ra, must be time for the Black Ferns to get a pay rise so they can achieve equity (the buzz word of the hour) with the All Blacks. //
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:52am
- Alwynn
  
  They actually deserve more than the men’s team. They draw bigger crowds and larger TV audiences than do the US men.
  That’s because they are very good while the US male footballers are utter rubbish.
  It doesn’t mean they are going to be as well paid as Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar though.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:01pm
  - mawm
    
    I’m sure the women at Hooters deserve more than the women footballers as they are far more interesting to watch.
    
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    May 19, 2022 2:08pm
  - Cinematic
    
    They’re ‘very good’ when measured against even less watchable footballers.
    
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    May 19, 2022 4:05pm
- Cinematic
  
  Women’s football is a hard watch. The level of skill and physicality is lower or at best on par with a 14yo boys game. So presumably 14yo boys will now receive equal pay.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:27pm
surfing

From the NZ Herald…
“The co-governance part of the health reforms is dangerously divisive and already ruinously expensive. Of all the hundreds of millions spent so far, none of it has gone on an operation.”

Billions are pouring into He Puapua and special maori initiatives (because maori can’t cope by themselves).This is on top of what Maori already get (the baseline that everyone else receives). The maori spending is a top-up over and above the baselines.
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May 19, 2022 9:39am
- alloytoo
  
  Perhaps a new slogan:
  
  “Maori Levies for Maori health.”
  
  perhaps 1%?
  
  As everyone knows Levies are not taxes.
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:26pm
k1w1

I now ignore the budget day announcements. At least the live and immediate ones. Let’s be honest. It’s a sales pitch that highlights the key points, and usually at an exec level. It’s what they don’t say that really matters, which comes out in the wash in the days to come.
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May 19, 2022 9:53am
Swifty

To DPF and anyone else viewing this:

An open question for anybody to answer:

Based on everything I’ve seen published on Louisa Wall’s appointment as Pacific Gender Equality Ambassador and my understanding of the relevant employment legislation, on the face of it this appointment breaches New Zealand’s Equal Employment Opportunity law.

I received a fairly thorough grounding in this legislation in the mid-2000s when I was doing a lot of hiring and one of the key features of this law is to ensure all potential applicants have a fair crack at any roles on offer – and this therefore required all roles to be advertised both internally and externally.

Everyone must be given an equal opportunity at/for the role.

Again, from what I’ve read, none of this occurred in Louisa Wall’s appointment. The role wasn’t advertised and no other applicants were considered.

So, to my question, is anyone aware of whether any questions or complaint has been directed at the Office of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commissioner for their view or as to whether they will launch any sort of enquiry?

Has anyone heard whether ACT or National are on the case, for example?
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May 19, 2022 10:06am
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets… LOL!!

‘Meng pisses in Dover’s hat’

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1527034041236594691
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May 19, 2022 10:14am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Prob security can’t tell a hat from a hoodie. And anyone can identify Dover just from his hat!
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:24am
Swifty

Open question number 2:

As but one of many examples I could give, here is today Paul Goulter the Nurses Union head saying “we need more Maori and Pacific nurses….(to ensure) we have a health system that works culturally for our Tangata Whenua…”

Very much in line with the ‘by Maori, for Maori’ ethos.

Now, if I set up any sort of service here in NZ and advertised it as ‘by whitey, for whitey’ every KB reader will know exactly what foam-flecked fury would descend on me as a result. The papers, social media, talkback, TV and radio news would cover it to death and in condemnatory tones.

I would be Public Villain No. 1.

What I’m interested in is for those who would commend the former and condemn the latter – how do they square away in their own minds the inconsistency? The lack of adherence to principle?

Your comments welcome.
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May 19, 2022 10:24am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Cognitive dissonance
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:32pm
Maggie Pie

Just overheard my partner saying the Dow Jones has had it’s biggest fall in 2 years this morning over inflation fears.

Can’t see nothing about it in the Horrid?
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May 19, 2022 10:37am
- gravedodger
  
  Good morning Maggie, guess it never happened then, oops.
  
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  May 19, 2022 10:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  We have an entire generation of young retail in investors who have never experienced rampant inflation, nor have they toughed out share market bears holding fort for successive quarters. There will be some painful, probably well leveraged wounds being licked right now.
  
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  May 19, 2022 11:04am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Their Brokers advice…..
    
    “BUY the dip”
    
    LOL!!!!!
    
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    May 19, 2022 11:20am
    - kowtow
      
      Dip ?
      
      I’m keeping my powder dry .
      
      I have a feeling that all that money printing has a long way to go to unravel.
      
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      May 19, 2022 11:57am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        YUP. My partner’s been in Short City simce the end of the year.
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:18pm
  - westernScientist
    
    Yep, those crypto kiddies who thought they were the smartest investors in the world buying the hype at 60k will be fretting now. Would also hate to see what microstragy or ark innovation books look like, and its going to get much worse
    
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    May 19, 2022 12:09pm
cas

Bloody wekas. I have just finished washing away their copious amounts of shit on the steps and drive.

I actually hit one the other day. It was trying to cross the road on a state highway and I was driving at 100kmh ( very safely I might add). It made a dent in my car but I am wondering in the light of the road to zero whether I should report myself to Michael Wood or NZTA.
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May 19, 2022 10:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And Police within 24 hours.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Import some weasels or even ferrets to your property.
  
  I’ve seen a tiny weasel drag an adult weka down a bank and attempt to drown the weka in a stream.
  
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  May 19, 2022 3:48pm
  - cas
    
    Good idea but would they be compatible with a 16 year old cat?
    
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    May 19, 2022 4:10pm
  - Jack5
    
    Weasels are tough little animals.
    
    The toughest of the weasel family may be the honey badger, which will fight animals far bigger than itself.
    
    Smart, too, like Stoffel, the pet honey badger in Africa, tested for intelligence.
    
    https://youtu.be/aZyjKF31_JQ
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Report yourself to Weka Kotahi!
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:33pm
Swifty

Open question number 3.

The NZ Labour Party has pledged that they will have one million New Zealanders speaking Te Reo Maori by 2040.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/383063/plan-to-have-1-million-people-speaking-te-reo-maori-by-2040#

I don’t understand how this could or should be a desired public policy outcome.

Some questions in my mind include:

What, at any cost?
What if we don’t want to (in sufficient numbers)?
What if they fall short reaching their target, will they force it on us to that their goals are met?
If by pursuing this target school kids, for example, start slipping in their academic subjects will the Labour Party pull back on their Maori language aspirations?

I could understand, but not agree, if they said “we will make the funds available so that if people wish to learn Te Reo they can….” but to actually set (large) targets seems to me like governmental over-reach.

Again, comments welcome.

Many thanks.
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May 19, 2022 10:44am
- graham
  
  Swifty … yes, I have commented on this previously. Nanaia Mahuta dreams of a future where Maori is spoken by you and I as we work, in the shopping malls, where you will be able to rock up to Bunnings and happily chat away to the staff in Maori as you discuss the merits of the various hammer drills on offer.
  
  Of course that’s not going to happen, but it won’t stop them trying. The link to the Crown’s Strategy for Māori Language Revitalisation, 2019–2023, is here:
  
  https://www.tpk.govt.nz/documents/download/documents-5540/tpk-maihi-karauna-strategy-en-2019.pdf
  
  Reading this document may provide some of the answers to your questions – but you may well regret it.
  
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  “If by pursuing this target school kids, for example, start slipping in their academic subjects will the Labour Party pull back on their Maori language aspirations?”
  
  Well, the Strategy plainly states that te reo Maori should be the first language for Maori children, presumably in preference to learning English:
  
  Establishing te reo Māori as a first language for Māori at school and in their homes and communities is also an important part of the vision.
  
  This goal complements the Maihi Māori goal of 25 per cent of Māori children (age 0 to 7) speaking te reo Māori as a first language.
  
  How many engineering textbooks are written in Maori, I wonder? Doesn’t matter, we have to get the kids learning Maori, because … something.
  
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  “What if they fall short reaching their target, will they force it on us to that their goals are met?”
  
  Short answer – yes.
  
  The education system is government’s most powerful lever for the acquisition of te reo Māori. However, a significant majority of children in
  New Zealand are not actively learning te reo Māori … We will require the number of children learning te reo Māori to continue and to increase.
  
  Compulsory te Reo lessons for you children and grandchildren coming to a school near you.
  
  We are currently looking at opportunities to achieve this priority outcome as part of government’s commitment to ensure every child has access to
  te reo Māori throughout the education system.
  
  There you go. It’s a priority.
  
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  Depressed yet? Read the Strategy, there’s more where that came from.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:58pm
  - Yabster
    
    Good reason to vote ACT- scrap TPK asap ffs lol
    
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    May 19, 2022 1:47pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Even if there was a demand for an engineering text book in Maori, it would be impossible. You can’t write a blue print for building (say) a road bridge in Maori.
    
    Browse this. “The mathematics of framed bridge structures”.
    
    https://www.raeng.org.uk/publications/other/3-frame
    
    Good luck translating that to Maori.
    
    But it COULD be translated to Mandarin, French, or German. And you could get a Chinese, German, and New Zealand engineering team to collaborate on the bridge.
    
    My point is that it is ONLY by learning and excelling in English that a Maori child in New Zealand could aspire to be an engineer. By forcing children to learn Maori, if that comes at the expense of English excellence, you are condemning that child to a life of mediocrity in New Zealand. Maori can only be used in New Zealand and in very restricted settings.
    
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    May 19, 2022 2:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Extraordinary as it may seem…
    
    I learnt to speak English at home, at least 3 years before I started school and learnt to parse the Queen’s English.
    
    I was taught French at school for 3 years and passed SC French with a reasonable mark, but I can’t understand spoken French and wouldn’t dare utter any mots et phrases within earshot of a froggie.
    
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    May 19, 2022 3:57pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  If it’s in Maori it takes a bit longer to tell it’s gibberish.
  
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  May 19, 2022 3:38pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/128690735/tall-poppy-syndrome-and-proudly-local-the-things-kiwi-expats-notice-about-new-zealand-that-tourists-dont

This is a great read, and highlights the insidious and detrimental nature of the epidemic of spin doctors in the halls of the Civil Service as well as in the current government.
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May 19, 2022 10:47am
Taieri

Undoubtedly, a great many visitors to this blog will enjoy the following production from the High and Mighty:
“Working Paper: The murmuration of information disorders
Aotearoa New Zealand’s mis- and disinformation ecologies and the
Parliament Protest”

https://hatchardreport.com/pdf-files/the-murmuration-of-information-disorders.2022-05-13.pdf

Warning: surprisingly enough, no Te Reo appears to have been used in this fine publication.
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May 19, 2022 11:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I read the full murmuration paper last night.
  
  https://thedisinfoproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/The-murmuration-of-information-disorders-May-2022-Report-FULL-VERSION.pdf
  
  Seemed to be data free.
  
  How did the folks determine if a tweet was violative?
  
  Did one individual classify all the murmurations?
  
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  May 19, 2022 4:22pm
surfing

Tolley has to go… this Mahuta appointed lackey is a shocker, and she is destroying Tauranga.

There is a sense of powerlessness, these people are increasing the rates 20% per year, 2 main arterial routes have been CLOSED, traffic around Tauranga seems far worse than Auckland . They are reducing the width of the busiest roads, for cyclist and trees.

And, Tolley is behind a 300 million dollar Stalin-esque era redevelopment of our CBD . It is crazy.
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May 19, 2022 11:20am
- greybeard
  
  But Hosking this morning was raving over the CBD development which was enabled by the Mahuta appointees, and which he reckons would not have happened under the old council.
  So who to believe ?
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:34pm
Matt Long

Apparently she once had taste…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/budget-2022-jacinda-ardern-reveals-covid-has-robbed-her-sense-of-taste/R243K233WT7NU6CD3EY2VIDSXQ/
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May 19, 2022 11:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Never had taste. Her clothing comes from an old Grannies wardrobe. Business Women attire is much better.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:23pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    IIRC she admitted that she buys clothes at K Mart. And I agree for a leader of the country and someone being paid that much, her standard of dress is awful. All she needs to is get someone who DOES have dress sense, hand over $10,000 and she would be set. There would be people who would do it for free.
    
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    May 19, 2022 12:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A woman in a business suit (trousers, blouse, waistcoat, jacket, and tie) can look quite attractive and carry a sort of aurora. It is a visual image portrayed.
      
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      May 19, 2022 1:06pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I recon she would feel more at home in black trousers, black shirt, black pointy hat, and straddling a straw broom preparing for take-off.
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:10pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        What really impresses my partner about women in power suits is Camel Toe.
        
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        May 19, 2022 1:23pm
    - Yabster
      
      suit would have to be a size too small for that Maggie..
      
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      May 19, 2022 1:50pm
- dave_c_
  
  The depths of excuses and outright l.i.e.s. (Perhaps) that this PM uses to deceive the population about Covid, in an attempt to convince people that Covid is a nasty, nasty, nasty . . .
  Pity that so many will believe anything spouting from such a despicable individual.
  If there were any worse outcomes, I am sure she would have indicated she had them also.
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:37pm
oldfella

Just spotted this on Facebook. Does it sound like Cindy and co, or not?

If the left wrote The Emperor’s New Clothes, the kid who correctly pointed out that the Emperor was naked would be the bad guy.
If they wrote The Grasshopper and the Ants, the ants would be the bad guys.
If they wrote The Three Little Pigs, the pig who worked hard and built the sturdy brick house would be the bad guy.
If they wrote The Little Red Hen, the hen would be the villain.
And if the left wrote Chicken Little, Chicken Little would be lauded as a scientist.
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May 19, 2022 12:01pm
Fuzzysnuggleduck

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/sport/horse-smiles-like-jacinda-causes-a-stir-in-the-racing-industry/

“The name of a Canterbury horse has caused a stir in the racing industry.
Smiles like Jacinda trialled at a Rangiora Harness Racing event.
Under Harness Racing New Zealand’s naming policy, a name can’t be approved if it has political significance or might cause offence to a reasonable person.”

heheheh.
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May 19, 2022 12:06pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Richard Cranium was a good racehorse.
  Lakanuki (Lonesome Dude – Cold Shoulder) had to have his name changed when he was exported to Australia.
  
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  May 19, 2022 2:52pm
Maggie Pie

What’s in a name?

‘JONESY CONSTRUCTION LTD’

https://stuff.co.nz/business/128681766/first-home-buyers-dream-shattered-as-another-wellington-firm-goes-bust

LOL!!
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May 19, 2022 12:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Poor people. What do they do now? Is there a fundraiser?
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:19pm
- MCōs
  
  Real funny.
  
  I read an article about the shortage of gib board and how big projects had basically cornered the market leaving people like Jonesy Construction unable to complete small projects.
  Plus timber is in short supply due to exports to China and massive price increases in imported material
  
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  May 19, 2022 2:50pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Beware Cossie…a fool and his money are soon parted.
    
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    May 19, 2022 3:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my FB memories. FB do not like this. It’s from 2020 or earlier I think.
He is coming back in 2024. The corrupt Democrat’s cheating will not happen again, but they are desperate and nasty.
https://www.facebook.com/boatersfortrump/videos/1372019519669706/
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May 19, 2022 12:11pm
oldfella

This has been at the top of the horrid homepage all morning. The clickbait headline currently says:
Nadia Lim Controversy: Large Investment Company Offloads Shares
Milford Asset Management – one of the country’s largest investment managers – has offloaded its shares in DGL Group.
That sounds like a move that would severely wound DGL. Yes. Well… no.
At the end of the story we find out the Milford shares probably equated to less that a 5% holding. The owner, who made the ‘Eurasian Fluff’ comments, owns 57% of his own company. And after taking a small initial hit, DGL share prices are starting to climb again.
Thanks goodness the horrid doesn’t pretend to be a serious media outlet, or you’d start to worry.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/nadia-lim-controversy-milford-offloads-shares/6RC7LTTW6GWSTE2TTQICKNXO4U/
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May 19, 2022 12:13pm
- oldfella
  
  Talking of the media, just spotted this gem at the bottom of a stuffed story, and almost lost my coffee.
  It’s ‘Tell a journalist they’re worth it’ day
  Maybe not, but it could be if today is the day you become a Stuff supporter! We have 380 journalists covering every inch of Aotearoa. If you like our work, give us a virtual pat on the back via a contribution.
  Maybe stuffed should open up their comments and let people REALLY express how they feel about (most) journalists today in mythical ayoteearower.
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:33pm
  - graham
    
    I wonder if it ever occurs to these journalists …
    
    … the fact they have to constantly put the begging bowl out …
    
    … possibly indicates how the majority of people in “Aotearoa” actually feel about them.
    
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    May 19, 2022 2:22pm
- kevn
  
  @old… Great opportunity to buy shares in DGL at a reduced cost.
  
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  May 19, 2022 8:32pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Good news everyone! Covid is effectively over in NZ (as of 3 weeks ago) as increases in excess deaths have fallen to basically zero compared to normal, end result is Omicron caused about 140 per million excess , or 700 deaths in total, though overall NZ has had about 2000 deaths less since start of 2020:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2022-01-09..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28count%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~NZL
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May 19, 2022 12:48pm
- alloytoo
  
  So we gained on the roundabout, lower traffic and work accident fatalities.
  
  I fear we may lose on the roundabouts if there is a long tail of undiagnosed illnesses and additional mental ailments.
  
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  May 19, 2022 1:16pm
Benedict Yu

Just got a reply to an email “I tautoko your proposal”.

I looked it up but I am not replying.

Sorry this is not about advancing the Maori language. It is detracting from clarity in communications about business. Anyway I have decided I don’t need this business.

It has actually become impossible to stand up to this without being shunned as a racist.
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May 19, 2022 12:48pm
- westernScientist
  
  Is there an app that randomly replaces English words with te reo words to emails or something?
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:58pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No there are public servants on te reo courses who after attending these courses delight in outdoing each other replacing English words with Maori words in business emails.
    
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    May 19, 2022 1:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  You might be interested in this Bene?
  
  Gal with a Chinese accent called into ZB’s Kerry Woodham this morning.
  Said she married a NZ’er and had been resident here for 16 years.
  
  Went on to tell Kerry…. “she and her hubby have become sooo disillusioned with this country, that they’re going to live in Chynaa!!”
  
  Honestly, just shows how stuffed this joint has become 🙁
  
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  May 19, 2022 12:58pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Husband is from the UK originally and they are going there to live (not China)
    
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    May 19, 2022 1:07pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Don’t you work Paul?
      Nothing better to do than listen to Talkback….SHEESH!
      
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      May 19, 2022 1:26pm
  - kowtow
    
    Did she say they were giving up their visas / citizenship ?
    
    Doubt it.
    
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    May 19, 2022 2:18pm
- NoFax
  
  This is an example of a monolingual person not knowing how languages work – and it right across the board of these so-called speakers. They think languages are “codes” and that one word can be substituted for another and how presto speaking that new language. Of course languages don’t work like that and most people who are “speaking” Te Reo are really speaking English with an odd loan word here and there. I don’t where they got this idea that this will “save” Te Reo. Even though Latin is all through English we aren’t speaking Latin anymore.
  
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  May 19, 2022 2:23pm
  - Scooter
    
    Does Maori have grammar or verbs? How can you learn a language without these, what is happening in NZ with inserting Maori words (nouns) here and there is doing zero to learn the language.
    
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    May 19, 2022 10:10pm
- JamesP
  
  Reply with the following image
  https://www.nzsl.nz/signs/4370
  
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  May 19, 2022 7:11pm
surfing

Seymour rightly describes Three waters, as “a Treaty settlement disguised as an infrastructure project”

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/is-the-jig-up-for-three-waters

In general , a pushback against co-governance that is soon to be tested in court. The point is, that maori don’t have any special need for water over and above everyone else. So why should they be given disporportionate power?
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May 19, 2022 1:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

American kids indoctrinated?
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=412599380451623
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May 19, 2022 1:07pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Elon tweets his response to Labor & The Greens….

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526961753619369987
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May 19, 2022 1:48pm
krazykiwi

A few weeks ago the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) capitulated and stopped providing Covid-19 statistics distinguished by vaccination status. This interesting, and increasingly narrative-busting data was clearly getting too hot, and so the fix was set: This data had became ‘too difficult’ to provide. Your truly wonders why?

Public health officials have admitted paying more than 2,500 management consultants up to £3,100-a-day during the height of the pandemic.

Dame Jenny Harries, the head of the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA), told MPs that they were still employing nearly 1,500 private contractors at an average day rate of £1,244 – roughly seven times higher than the average wage.

At the last count, at the beginning of February, management consultants made up one in seven of the UKHSA’s workforce, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) was told.

The organisation has been heavily criticised for spending so much on outside help, and last year promised to bring more work in-house to cut costs after it emerged it was spending £ 1million a day on consultants.

But the new figures suggest the daily spend had risen closer to £1.8 million by February as the UKHSA called in even more consultants during the omicron wave.

£1.8 million per day on 1500 extra people, and this important data was just a bit tricky to source.
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May 19, 2022 1:48pm
westernScientist

WTF helicopter money is finnaly here:

“This year’s Budget includes three $117 payments for every adult earning less than $70,000 from August to help with rising costs.”
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May 19, 2022 2:06pm
- mandk
  
  It’s worse than that.
  
  Because it is based on tax paid last year, the payments will go to some people who are now earning more than $70k, and some people now earning less than $70k will miss out.
  
  It also excludes a lot of very low income people who have no income from employment.
  
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  May 19, 2022 4:11pm
Maggie Pie

Budget leak….

$350 extra per month for the next 3 months for everyone earing less that 70k

Just remember to thank the Taxpayers who give it to you.
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May 19, 2022 2:06pm
- westernScientist
  
  he really wants more inflation in core goods doesn’t he
  
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  May 19, 2022 2:08pm
- MCōs
  
  Doesn’t apply to me, but thank you for the energy payment, subsidized prescriptions, free RATs & vaccinations, pension.
  
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  May 19, 2022 2:31pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re very welcome Cossie!!
    
    It’s just A-holes like milkey I object to.
    
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    May 19, 2022 2:37pm
- Yabster
  
  total payment is $350 Maggie- about $117 per month for three mnths in August -or a bit over $6 a week- that will win over middle NZ Grunter!
  
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  May 19, 2022 3:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My mistake Yabbie!
    The screams will be horrible after October!!
    
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    May 19, 2022 5:04pm
greybeard

Those two idiots on the NewstalkZB afternoon slot are unbelievable.
They haven’t a clue.
They are applauding the spending of billions of dollars of borrowed and printed money .
They have no idea of the need to increase national production and exports to get REAL money.
They are bloody dangerous, a bit like those appalling 1pm Podium of Truth announcements.
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May 19, 2022 3:29pm
- kevn
  
  @grey… Just have say the magic budget words, “media get money”, to guarantee whoopee.
  
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  May 19, 2022 4:59pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The fourth estate are meant to hold truth to power. They haven’t done so in decades. They are nothing more than a PR and propaganda tool for whoever pays them the most, currently that is the Labour government.
  
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  May 20, 2022 8:40am
Maggie Pie

I made a point of watching the start of the Budget.
What really caught my attention…David Parker was sitting alongside Robbo and appeared to be about 3 sessions into a hair-graft.

Looked quite good actually. Can’t wait to see the finished result 😀
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May 19, 2022 3:55pm
Jim

Never mind today’s $6B budget, the monetary system is all smoke and mirrors as Robertson reimagines the new normal.

Here’s a tongue in cheek comment on today’s GBNews that accurately describes the current situation we find ourselves in, living in our fake western democracies.
https://youtu.be/wVx1ysLO8n0
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May 19, 2022 4:42pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard HDPA interviewing Robbo on the budget.
Wonder why she feels she needs to treat him with Kid Gloves….is it because he’s gay?
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May 19, 2022 5:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Spa pool and my favorite bottle of filtered water.
So says the speaker of the house.
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May 19, 2022 5:47pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

When my partner puts on his flippers…. does it make him a Duck?

https://twitter.com/Kali_Yuga_/status/1527094914273554432
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May 19, 2022 7:11pm
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New Zealand Herald article:

“The $27 extra a week that young people will get from today’s Budget is “not even one Uber Eats order”, says one 20-year-old.”

So use the money to buy yourself some groceries that will feed you more then one meal. Might require you to actually do some work?

Taxpayers are supporting you and you’re complaining.
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May 19, 2022 7:40pm
- MCōs
  
  I would suggest that $350 spread over three months hardly constitutes being supported by the taxpayer, but on the other hand one doesn’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
  
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  May 19, 2022 9:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Might be time for a few more Nat MPs to announce their retirement.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-mp-for-waitaki-jacqui-dean-retires/U6YLSZCZFBP47MSTSGUW7E4Y44/

Don’t be like Anne Tolley who left her replacement just a few months to try and make an impact before the 2020 election, and allowed Labour to walk to victory.
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