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Yvette

■ Qatar Bans Beer Sales at World Cup Stadiums
In an abrupt about-face, which could violate a multimillion-dollar FIFA sponsorship agreement, Qatari officials have decided that the only drinks that will be on sale to fans at stadiums during the month-long World Cup will be nonalcoholic.

■ “Whoever gets to write Te Mana o Te Wai statements gets control of water, land, planning rules and regulations, land use … Te Mana o Te Wai statements will cover every pipe, river, creek, farm pond or fresh water body.”

What is the difference between these two “religious” matters?
The Qatar beer ban will only be a problem for a month
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November 19, 2022 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Water Authority is forever. Very hard for National to change back if implemented.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:31am
  - Cassandra
    
    Why? Surely just kill it. Sack the staff and the board.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:41am
    - pdm
      
      Cassandra I will bet you a $1 to a pinch of goat poo that Luxon will not do that.
      
      He lacks the cajones!!
      
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      November 19, 2022 10:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Unlike the new Premier of Alberta, Canada Danielle Smith. Her first act was to publicly apologise to the unvaccinated for their horrific treatment at the hands of the previous administration. Now she has sacked the entire Alberta Health Services Board. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. If she was running in NZ I would 100% be voting for this woman of moral fortitude and courage. Not like the cowards sitting in the Beehive on both sides of the house.
        
        https://ca.news.yahoo.com/premier-danielle-smith-fires-alberta-214500452.html
        
        Who in NZ will do the same to Baker, Hendy, Wiles, Plank and all of the other morons who drove the same madness here?
        Mr Luxon? Are you up to the task? You might have to get rid of Chris Bishop as a starter for ten. He still thinks everything was worthwhile and that the “experts” were right. He can’t see the nose on his face the idiot.
        
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        November 19, 2022 10:44am
      - rouppe
        
        Which is why I believe there needs to be a substantial ACT party presence.
        
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        November 19, 2022 11:06am
  - Mike H S
    
    It will not be hard for National to reverse IF THEY HAVE THE COURAGE and that is what I am unsure of.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:50am
    - Colville
      
      The problem will be what they replace it with.
      They need to fill the gap so that all development dosent just stop
      
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      November 19, 2022 1:35pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      National and courage in the same sentence.
      An oxymoron anyone?
      
      The days of National Politicians with courage and conviction about doing good things for Kiwis is long gone methinks.
      
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      November 19, 2022 2:24pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Turns out demographics matter, no matter how much you guys want to pretend that it doesn’t.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:46am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Stupidity matters more.
    
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    November 19, 2022 10:38am
    - Colville
      
      Yes the stupidity of 50% of New Zealand that voted for Jacinda
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      There is no vaccine for dumb!
      
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      November 19, 2022 11:20am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    At his bedside Wayne has a well-thumbed copy of The Emerging Democratic Majority and still believes it even as the author himself re-evaluates his mid-2000’s conclusions.
    
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    November 19, 2022 12:23pm
- Jim
  
  One simple difference: One State is rolling in trillions of excess $$$$$, the other State relies upon agriculture, business and tourism to service its national deficit.
  
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  November 19, 2022 7:03pm
Warren

Preview : Reserve Bank set to deliver biggest hike in OCR History.
The Reserve Bank is expected to deliver an unprecedented 75 basis point hike on Wednesday taking the official cash rate from 3.5% to 4.25% Economists say.
Will this be the nail that seals the coffin of this Labour Government with Christmas nearly alone us and people’s morgage rates rocketing or will the Government open the draw of bribes to get them to the next election.
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November 19, 2022 8:08am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I’m not sure warren – I popped into st Luke’s mall on Friday mid morning and the countdown supermarket and Kmart were heaving with people and queues …. I thought there was a cost of living crisis!
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:11am
  - Prince
    
    All built on balsa wood foundations. $140B Govt debt, growing at $85M per day…55% increase in Govt tax take since 2017…
    The pied piper Finance Minister is taking us to the edge…the next generations will be paying for this.
    When we get our next real crisis (probably an earthquake), the cupboard will be bare.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:38am
  - PeeJay
    
    Things are definitely weird out there at the moment. In Christchurch, I walk past the ford delivery yard and it is absolutely full of brand new Rangers being delivered before being moved on to the showrooms. Chat to the delivery drivers now and again and pretty much most of these new Rangers are already sold. The few that aren’t pre-sold don’t stick around long either apparently.
    
    Our company struggles to find junior to mid-level engineers – frequently having to pay A type wages to get C type employees.
    
    On the face of it, things look good. Regardless of interest rate rise, cost of living issues and inflation etc.
    
    But I just wonder if we are standing at the edge and a little nudge more could topple the whole house of cards?
    
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    November 19, 2022 10:02am
    - tf78
      
      The new owners are probably government employees.
      
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      November 20, 2022 8:46pm
  - C-Town
    
    Probably on a spending spree to buy up things they need before prices go up further.
    
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    November 19, 2022 12:20pm
    - Jim
      
      Or perhaps many people who are addicted to consumerism and credit?
      
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      November 19, 2022 7:06pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  They will pull out a big bribe. My bet would be on free dental treatment. Another possibility is writing off a proportion of student loans. I can’t see them doing much on housing affordability. They are out of ideas. A state owned supermarket chain is a possibility.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    With the only benefit not being hiked recently being National Superannuation my pick is they will plug that hole before National does.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is needed. You can’t live off Super alone.
      My nest egg is suffering.
      
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      November 19, 2022 9:41am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Steve. Stop living in NZ for 6 months every winter.
        Get away from the day to day BS.
        
        My strategy at the moment. I live in Siem Reap Cambodia during Kiwi Winter, live well and actually can save money every month and its sunny 95% of the time.
        
        Modern 1 bedroom western style furnished apartment, includes high speed wifi, with cleaning service once a week. $75 NZD a week!.
        
        Last months electric bill $65
        Being a tourist town it has many many different restaurants and imported foods and lots of English speakers.
        
        I could wax on about the many financial advantages. But you catch the drift.
        
        Been doing it for 8 years, never regretted the decision for one minute. PS am 76 yo pensioner.
        
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        November 19, 2022 2:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @RA.
        Alaska? We have two host families there.
        Food is not bad seeing as everything is imported.
        Petrol is still cheaper than NZ prices.
        
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        November 19, 2022 3:47pm
      - Flossie
        
        Nice idea but how would pensioners get on in Alaska thinking about medical insurance. I’m sure you wouldn’t want to go to the US without any and the costs get more and more unaffordable the older you get.
        
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        November 19, 2022 6:31pm
    - pdm
      
      Capt – they are going to have to increase Super and Benefits by at least 10% from 1 April 20323 ust to hold steady with inflation.
      
      Maybe the bribe will be closer to 20% for beneficiaries – Suoerannuitants don’t matter so much to Labour.
      
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      November 19, 2022 10:17am
      - TS Child
        
        I’m not sure about superannuitants not mattering to Labour. Didn’t we just nearly bankrupt the country in an effort to keep every single one alive for as long as possible?
        
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        November 19, 2022 10:31am
      - pdm
        
        TSC – the beneficiary vote for Labour is pretty much guaranteed.
        
        Most Superannuitants know better.
        
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        November 19, 2022 12:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        20323, I will be dead then.
        
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        November 19, 2022 1:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    State owned supermarkets? NO! The Govt will control what we eat.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:37am
    - nathie
      
      Please don’t give them ideas!
      
      After all if Mike Moore was once championing “Lamb Burgers” … think what sort of nonsense this majority Labour Govt could ram through!
      
      How about meat and dairy and sugar and additive free products for the plebs like “cabbage burgers”, only?
      
      (Of course the Labour Ruling Elite won’t suffer, eg angus beef medallion with sautéed potatoes, creamy salmon and seafood platters a la Cop27 will be provided, all sourced from 10m high fenced off “specialist” farms that locals won’t know exist)!
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11398493/Cop27-Egypt-Activists-hit-VIP-menu-featuring-beef-chicken-fish-dairy-products.html
      
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      November 19, 2022 11:10am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The idea that State run supermarkets could happen would have been absurd 12 months ago. Not now.
      
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      November 19, 2022 1:26pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @BY-
    The issues around dental treatment are a mystery to me.
    I went to the dentist this past week – cost me $445.
    Had to wait seven weeks for the appointment – so there are either not enough dentists in the town or, lots of people are still seeking treatment despite the cost.
    I’m not sure that the former is the case. There are quite a few dentists here from southern Africa and India – plus the NZ trained ones.
    So that brings in cost.
    For many people, it seems attention to teeth doesn’t compete with attention to other “lifestyle” related spending.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:47am
    - artemisia
      
      There was a POTUS who, in an address to a uni, said ‘Look after your teeth’.
      
      Yep.
      
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      November 19, 2022 11:08am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The problem with dentistry is that demand is limitless. Basic treatment is already free for kids or heavily subsidised. If people drink sugary drinks and smoke, their teeth will be buggered and they will have gum disease. Their choices.
      
      Then there is orthodontics. Where do you draw the line?
      
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      November 19, 2022 12:10pm
    - artemisia
      
      This is a bit tangential about teeth and dentists, but a New Zealand company based in Dunedin, BLIS Technologies has invented and now supplies various probiotics globally, including ToothGuard.
      
      Repopulates the mouth bacteria. Works very well in my experience, and the prevention is a lot cheaper than the dentist. And always good to support local initiative.
      
      Trust me, over the years I have kept my dentist in the manner he is accustomed, but these days not so much.
      
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      November 19, 2022 5:21pm
  - rouppe
    
    Free dental treatment is all well and good. If the targeted people go. Given what we see with medical and teaching, they just don’t.
    
    Them still feed them coke, chippies, and chocolate bars and nothing will change.
    
    The other classes though, will use it. Though I’d guess I wouldn’t be eligible
    
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    November 19, 2022 11:11am
  - artemisia
    
    Labour bribe/s have worked very well for them in the past. However, not sure they will be too bothered about losing in 2023, as they are working hard (honestly) to leave the cupboard bare and many convoluted contracts very expensive to unravel. And if they do unravel, there will be plenty of the temporarily unemployed smiling all the way to the bank.
    
    If Labour et al do win, and it’s quite possible, they will have a lot of fun figuring out how to pay for their coalition partners’ promises.
    
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    November 19, 2022 11:15am
    - Jim
      
      Agree, akin to a bad tenant who leaves under eviction notice, but only having ransacked the property first.
      
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      November 19, 2022 7:12pm
- nathie
  
  Why are Kiwi’s and especially mortgage holders being punished by Grant Robertson’s $60B irresponsible spending spree (on mostly non-covid matters) and Adrian Orr providing the trading banks with cheap money for far too long?
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Socialism is why.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here we go for negative equity. I have been freehold for 6 years now, but higher interest rates means higher inflation, which we will all have to absorb.
  Fixed income (super) will just suffer.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:35am
  - PeeJay
    
    I wonder if there are a lot of homeowners just hanging on? Suspect there are a fair few already in negative equity – certainly anyone who bought in the covid-frenzy year or so?
    
    In the Christchurch area, I was stunned during the covid-frenzy phase at the absolute bonkers reaction to the property market. Houses jumped $300k to $500k in a couple of years – it was completely insane. I saw big subdivisions and house and land packages selling out within hours, websites crashing due to demand.
    
    Fast forward a year or so and the for sales signs are starting to be hung out. New houses just built on the market straight away. Might have been bought as a punt for a quick buck or were actually a dream house, regardless, a good amount seem to be up for sale pretty much as soon as the landscaping is done!
    
    Starting to see the quiet signs of desperation in the existing home market also – house starts at auction, gets passed in, listed as ‘by negotiation’, then finally gets priced (way too high), bit more time the ‘price reduced’ phase comes, then we get to the ‘bring all offers’ stage.
    
    All anecdotal but you do start to think that things could quickly take a turn for the worse. But as I said above in another post, the Ford Rangers are still flying off the showroom. When the fall comes, and I suspect we are fast approaching the economic cliff edge, it could make the GFC episode look like a minor blip!
    
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    November 19, 2022 10:17am
    - nathie
      
      {Sinking feeling} oh oh what you write is reminding me of the 1987 stockmarket crash where everyday Kiwi’s that put a lot of investment in all sorts of companies found they lost everything overnight.
      
      Is it a coincidence another distracted Labour Party is in power this time around?
      
      If so thank goodness the Clark Labour Party was voted out as the GFC started to unfold and National took power!
      
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      November 19, 2022 10:58am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      As I said the other day, looking at 2-5 year term loans I see they’re at 9%+ so clearly banks are not seeing any drop over the next few years.
      
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      November 19, 2022 12:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I may have to release some of my equity.
      $1.4M just sitting there. I’m not downsizing, too old for that nonsense. I like the Shore.
      
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      November 19, 2022 1:23pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Bloody millionaire complaining that the state handout(pension) is not enough to live on!
        
        Shame on you.
        
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        November 19, 2022 9:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Only a millionaire if I sell Ra. I still have to live somewhere.
        
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        November 20, 2022 9:41am
    - Jim
      
      Yep worse still during that covid frenzy period, where some people bought property at top dollar with significant cosmetic or even structural problems.
      Good luck recovering those losses, particularly as the market now becomes far more circumspect in what they are buying.
      
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      November 19, 2022 7:19pm
mandk

Have you had you vitamin D3 today?

Another excellent video from Dr John Campbell, based on a huge study of US military veterans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbUm5FyrHRk

If you have no time to watch it or can’t access it, the short story is that daily vitamin D3 reduces covid infection by 25% and case mortality by 30%.
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November 19, 2022 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I took vitamin D since 2020. I have not had covid and my last cold was 2019. I’m not claiming causation. But I’m going to keep it up.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  That’s interesting. My reading of earlier D3 studies showed that D3 deficiency led to increased risk, but those papers were silent on higher levels leading to any reduced rates of infection.
  
  I’ve been taking D3+Zinc+Mg for a year now, higher dosage over winter. I’ve requested blood tests to confirm my D3 levels are in the 75% percentile of normal.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:23am
  - Matt Long
    
    How are your copper levels going with that length of zinc supplementation?
    
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    November 19, 2022 2:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My vitamins come in a green bottle called ‘Stella’
  Other bottles are named Jack Daniels, and Crown Royal.
  Covid doesn’t seem to like being poisoned.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:47am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve O: Interesting…my vitamins up here in the Kingdom come in brown bottles marked “Maka”…they must work, because I’ve never had Covid!
    
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    November 19, 2022 11:54am
- NothingLeft
  
  Non-promotion of cheap, clearly harmless/safe but strongly evidenced beneficial effects of Vit-D during pandemic is what convinced me that medical-political complex is hopelessly corrupted and/or incompetent.
  
  It costs basically nothing and was clear to anyone who looked into it even in early 2020 that it would save a substantial percentage (in total millions of lives) from covid if universally adopted. Yet aside from one or two 3rd world countries was never officially promoted.
  
  I cannot think of any benign reason for that – and the worst (sadly likely) interpretation, that it was a deliberate policy to prevent dilution of vaccine uber alles messaging, by bureaucrats who believe their job is to control information availability and lie to populations ‘for their own good’. I simply can’t believe they were ignorant of the evidence, and as such it’s everything that is wrong with power-tripping big govt/big Pharma relationship tied up in a neat little bow, and near genocidally criminal to boot.
  
  Millions of unnecessary deaths on the altar of bureaucratic power-tripping should not be allowed to go unpunished.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:50am
  - Jim
    
    Thousand upticks, no going back after that red pill.
    
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    November 19, 2022 7:33pm
- Sacha
  
  Dr Campbell has an interesting talk
  ‘Long term sickness increases’ not related to covid, and asks what the cause could be.
  By the end of the talk one can draw one’s own conclusions, but he of course could never comment . . . . .
  
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  November 19, 2022 10:32am
- Jim
  
  Did you note the same public messaging by the MoH? If not, then perhaps we should consider why not.
  
  It’s an even more important health tip for our darker skinned kiwis.
  
  Thanks one source to truth /s
  
  (Health care brought to you by Pfizer).
  
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  November 19, 2022 7:24pm
krazykiwi

I see the G20 has committed itself (ie you and I) to global vaccine passports, and reaffirmed commitment to CBDCs. Dystopia is no longer a movie genre, more of an emerging reality.
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November 19, 2022 8:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  A relevant commentary is here: CBDC: How Covid Became the Path to Global Financial Surveillance
  
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  November 19, 2022 8:20am
- Nickc2
  
  So the Cabal that is the G20 is about to use the Covid Pandemic as a means of restricting the movements of people internationally eh?
  How’s that going to work with the flood of so-called Muslim Refugees worldwide?
  Come on Cindy, admit these passports are nothing more than political claptrap!
  
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  November 19, 2022 8:33am
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – the latest UK Column covers it in some depth with the usual quality analysis. I highly recommend it.
  
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-18th-november-2022
  
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  November 19, 2022 8:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  And isn’t it a meeting of heads of state? So why is Klaus Schwab the keynote speaker? Conspiracy theory obviously…
  
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  November 19, 2022 8:53am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m in the camp that believes Schwab is an globalist-operated useful idiot. These globalists are still forced to operate in pseudo-democratic environment, so having someone like Schwab wheeled out to convey their naked lust for control of humanity is helpful to them.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:39am
    - kevn
      
      @kk… Not the other way round? Schwab playing the globalist idiots?
      
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      November 19, 2022 9:54am
  - Jim
    
    A more accurate description for conspiracy theorist is critical thinker.
    
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    November 19, 2022 7:27pm
  - Jim
    
    According to other reliable media Bill Gates was also invited. He certainly shows more energy than most putting in such philanthropic overtime /s
    
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    November 19, 2022 7:36pm
- Simon
  
  Peak govt was reached some time ago. All these clowns have got is more authoritarianism under the guise of keeping everyone safe or the fraud of man made climate change.
  
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  November 19, 2022 8:54am
- Clownworld
  
  Global identification- it is for the greater good?
  
  Track all human movement, industry, medical, transactions, social credit status ,compliance, opinions, thoughts and feelings.
  
  So the mark of the beast is a step closer, and those crazy unhinged globalist conspiracy experts….were right after all?
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:00am
  - artemisia
    
    New Zealand should get a decent discount on China’s social tracking system. A grand benefit of the FTA.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:10am
- WaynelSexton
  
  You’re against LGBTQP you bigot?
  Well no more money for you.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:17am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Quite. Or your low social credit score means your CBDC coupons can’t be used outside your suburb and they expire if you don’t redeem them, while your neighbour’s high score allows them to travel internationally, to save and invest.
    
    This stuff is no longer fiction.
    
    It’s coming, and unless we find some leaders with the stones to step up and just say “NO”, we will incrementally fall into this in the same way as millions passively accepted the trial run – vaccine passports.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Control. It seems almost everything that comes out of these summits is about control.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:48am
rouppe

Fifa had Co governance without realising it.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/300743389/world-cup-organisers-ban-alcoholic-beer-sales-at-stadiums-in-qatar
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November 19, 2022 8:15am
kevn

and COP27 spent a whole day on… gender, but not one second on nuclear.
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November 19, 2022 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  400 private jets to have a snindig on far left , extremist identity politics ( gender) proving not a care in the burning world for the “climate collapse” ( Guardian newspaper term) .
  
  And when one questions their agenda you’re some sort of tin foil hat wearing “misinformation/ disinformation” loon who must be silenced .
  
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  November 19, 2022 8:42am
rouppe

The UK is galloping backwards.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/uk/300743302/economy-in-free-fall-britain-hikes-taxes-to-save-sinking-economy

Lowering Tax brackets to capture more people in higher rates.
Then freezing the brackets for five years so they aren’t indexed to inflation anymore.
Introducing windfall tax on power companies.

It’s like they’ve been listening to James Shaw
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November 19, 2022 8:26am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Hiking taxes to save the economy – beyond parody. Whatever that saves, it won’t be the economy but probably a lot of skins that don’t deserve it.
  
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  November 19, 2022 10:46am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The incredible thing – well one of them anyway – is that this is precisely what that idiot, President Hoover, did after the 1929 Crash. By the time FDR took power the highest income tax rate was 70% – under a GOP President. Even FDR criticised the tax and spending levels as being too high.
    
    It’s also the exact opposite of what Keynes recommended, for the same reason as his idea of the State blowing money into a recessionary economy; tax hikes take money out of the private sector. Keynes thought was it insane to increase taxes during a recession when the private sector money supply is already shrinking. He was right on that at least.
    
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    November 19, 2022 12:33pm
- Jim
  
  TGR
  
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  November 19, 2022 7:39pm
Tauhei Notts

One sees political comments everywhere but the following one from a farmer put it all correctly.
“Whilst Albanese is in the clutches of Mahuta he may concede and agree to retain the Comancheros, realising a hug from them would be the better option.”
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November 19, 2022 8:28am
Southern Raider

Bud pays over $100M to FIFA for sponsorship and then gets told 2 days before the World Cup starts that Qatar has changed their minds and you can’t sell your beer anymore, but we will keep the sponsorship
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November 19, 2022 8:40am
- Nickc2
  
  Getting rid of Sepp Blatter hasn’t changed a thing eh? If it wasn’t for corruption, FIFA wouldn’t exist!
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:20am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, it’s good publicity for Bud, so there is that.
  
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  November 19, 2022 4:42pm
- Jim
  
  Should think themselves lucky they’re not in court for false advertising, as under the general description of beer, Budweiser is truly awful.
  
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  November 19, 2022 7:41pm
artemisia

Bryce Wilkinson, bro of the more famous KB poster, writing for the NZ Initiative on Labour’s recent list of 100 achievements – Who said there was no such thing as a free lunch? ….

… we should acknowledge Labour’s modesty in excluding sunshine and fresh air from its list of achievements. They are free lunches too.

http://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/who-said-there-was-no-such-thing-as-a-free-lunch/
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November 19, 2022 8:49am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Discovering Labour’s modesty is an outanding achievement. Now searching I hope for their elusive self-awareness.
  
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  November 19, 2022 10:55am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

The FIFA world cup sounds like it will be fun.

Wait until they discover what will be happening to women who go around uncovered, or fans who happen to come over a bit queer!

“Oh, Qatar, we had a gay old time at the world cup. Sorry about what happened to Dennis though. But at least it made for a great insta! Always said he was a bit of a squirter”
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November 19, 2022 8:51am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Wait till it happens in London when Muslims become the majority.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:50am
  - David Garrett
    
    Wayne S: They don’t need to become the majority mate; Sweden is now 20% Muslim, and there are parts of cities in that country – just like the UK – where the police will not go.
    
    Coming here if we keep taking the bastards in – actually coming anyway given the birth rate of those already here.
    
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    November 19, 2022 11:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern, the ~~Master~~ Manager of misinformation

“Labour lost the argument on Three Waters, so they resorted to spreading misinformation about rates increases in a cynical attempt to garner some support,” says ACT’s Local Government spokesperson Simon Court.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00157/govt-spreading-three-waters-misinformation.htm
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November 19, 2022 8:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Warning the public that unless something happens rates will rise is akin to saying unless you give up all your rights the sun won’t rise tomorrow.
  
  The sun is going to * rise * anyway, and now you don’t have your rights.
  
  * Well it doesn’t rise or set, obviously. It stays where it is and the earth rotates, giving the impression of the sun rising and setting.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:06am
- Nickc2
  
  Well done Simon Court. Keep the pressure on the thieving bastards.
  We can’t afford to lose this argument and our resources. If we do, we’ll never get our Water and associated Infrastructure back in the same form as it was stolen.
  IMO, in rescinding the 3Waters legislation, there will be concessions made by a Nat/Act Govt where NONE are required. Let’s face it, when a thief is sentenced to jail NONE of the stolen goods are given to the thief as a gesture of partial acceptance of the crime.
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:10am
Cassandra

“It’s the economy, stupid” may well define our next election but by far the more important issue is racism ie the takeover by a small Maori cabal of NZ’s institutions. In a straight forward choice between Maori supremacy and democracy, the latter would win in a canter but these cunning people are doing it by classic Leninist entryism (noting that they are definitely capitalists). Infiltrate the Labour Party, get your hands on the steering wheel of, for example, the health system and local government, use “useful idiots” eg Anne Tolley, various National lefties (Finlayson), plus the whole gullible Wellington establishment and bingo! you’ve got control. Seymour needs to give Luxon a bit of advice.
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November 19, 2022 8:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  There are so many things that will define the next election but the greatest of all, IMO, is the apartheid and division put forward by this motley crew consumed by “maori wonderfulness” who are trying to give away my birthright. I reckon it will be a cultural battle for the heart and soul of New Zealand.
  
  Economy, crime, government control and Labour’s unparalleled record of f*cking up everything they touch might also get a mention!
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:09am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    We caught up with friends we hadn’t seen for a number of years – previously ardent labour voters…. They had absolutely nothing positive to say about Labour and will vote Act next election. The most depressing thing was they still think Cindy will win in 2023 simply writing off all student loans ….. how the hell can this country afford that? And if this is the game being played, then every single university graduate benefited by this process should be bonded to working in NZ for a certain number of years so taxpayers get value for money. National and Act need to start doing something/anything fast to save this country 😢
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:23am
    - Paulus
      
      Write off Student Loans, easy just print more money – after all it is not their money, and the incoming Government will be f…d like Michael Cullen did.
      
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      November 19, 2022 10:25am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      I’ve offered to help two of my kids pay off their student loans but they’ve both turned me down with the argument that Labour will wipe them sooner or later.
      
      A mate argued with me that the the government would never write off such an asset on their books and I just laughed given everything else they’ve done with money.
      
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      November 19, 2022 12:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        Labour have said a 12 month student loan holiday would cost too much so I doubt they would wipe them
        
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        November 19, 2022 12:38pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        what about the $39 m not collected for the Quarantine fiasco………..
        
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        November 19, 2022 2:24pm
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

I see our beloved Prime Minister has received her instructions from Premier Xi:

“China regards New Zealand as an important partner and friend”

“As comprehensive strategic partners, China and New Zealand should enhance communication and mutual trust, and accommodate each other’s core interests and major concerns to ensure that this relationship is sustainable and grows along the right path.”

“China has never sought hegemony in history; it is not doing that now, and will never do that in the future. China’s policy toward the Pacific Island countries is always aimed at pursuing peace, development and cooperation. China will work closely with New Zealand to promote peace, stability, development and prosperity in the Pacific Island region.”

“New Zealand is ready to have in-depth exchanges with China on South Pacific affairs, and contribute to the prosperity and stability in the Asia-Pacific.”

Well, that’s all right then. I Feel much better now.
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November 19, 2022 9:00am
- nathie
  
  I know we have to maintain govt-to-govt relationships with all sorts of countries including non-democratic ones.
  
  But surely with Xi ruthlessly taking total control (including an unprecedented third term) at their Part Congress recently, surely all these world leaders rushing to meet Xi are reinforcing his absolute corruption of power and making him think he truly is “great”?
  
  Surely world leaders wouldn’t be rushing to meet Mao, or Hitler or even Putin nowadays?
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:33am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Irrespective of your views about Xi, he is not remotely in the same league as Mao or Hitler, who slaughtered literally millions of people. Or even Putin who has launched an illegal invasion that will kill hundreds of thousands.
    International leaders, right across the spectrum are able to make that distinction. Hence why they are meeting Xi. Yes, he is a dictator of a highly controlled state. So are the Saudi rulers.
    Your categorisation of Xi as a Hitler or a Mao, or even a Putin makes no sense.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:57am
    - nathie
      
      Hi Wayne what you write is true but my categorisation is from a “tyrant” point of view (and yes was exaggerated), however he has done none of these things …. yet.
      
      (Mind you the Uyghur Muslims, who are being surveilled and suppressed, would no doubt have a different viewpoint).
      
      I say “yet” because when and if Xi invades or attacks or blockades Taiwan, there will be large scale deaths. Xi himself states his goal is to reunify Taiwan with the mainland and has given timeframes.
      
      In the meantime like the tyrant he is, he is responsible for the CCP building new bases in contested waters in the South China Sea and kowtowing its neighbours into submission – these nations are not “unified” (as say the West is) because these nations are assess their relationship with China in their own terms. But that means they are weaker.
      
      Yes I get it, and support that NZ needs to maintain diplomatic efforts to persuade China to act as a responsible global citizen …. but we need to do so with our eyes wide open and for example increase defence spending so we do carry a larger stick (in our friendly dealings) particularly to protect our interests and fellow citizens of the South Pacific. Otherwise we are screwed.
      
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      November 19, 2022 10:36am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Exactly correct. “Yet” is the big worry. Threat = nastiness x power. I see Macron continues to manouvre France between US/UK/Aus and China.
        
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        November 19, 2022 11:06am
      - nathie
        
        @ Alan, looks like the Germans are outmaneuvering the French and are wanting to sign deals with the CCP left, right and centre (including on critical infrastructure)!
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/05/scholz-presses-hamburg-china-deal-despite-warnings-merkels-russia/
        
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        November 19, 2022 11:18am
    - David Garrett
      
      Wayne M: Happy to agree with you completely for once Wayne – but rather than a “highly controlled state” surely “a near totalitarian state” would be more accurate?
      
      But as you quite rightly point out, so is Saudi, and the West continues to hold its nose, turn a blind eye to its worst excesses and continue to trade with them…as we in the West will continue to do for some time, notwithstanding the Greenie fantasies about us all driving electric cars in 20 years time.
      
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      November 19, 2022 11:41am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Meh. It’s more a question of potential threat. The Saudi’s offer little to none, certainly to us, but China is a huge potential.
        
        And it should be noted that in military intelligence you don’t judge a threat based on intentions (because those are hard to judge) but capability – and China’s military capability is huge and growing fast.
        
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        November 19, 2022 12:40pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Drinking the Anti China cool aid then David?
        
        Near Totalitarian state?
        
        I know Social Media allows all sorts of words/phrases to be used, shall we say, inappropriately.
        
        But life in China below the higher political levels is far from totalitarian. Almost as free(sic) as NZ below the current levels of the current fascist state that was called New Zealand
        
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        November 19, 2022 9:39pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      haha have to laugh Wayne. Couldnt help yourself…illegal invasion..propagating the western propoganda””line””.
      
      Surely Putin invasion would have been enough..
      
      sorta like the US forces illegally invading IRAQ, so George W killed hundreds of thousands. No condemnation there huh.
      
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      November 19, 2022 9:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘ China has never sought hegemony in history’
  
  Tell that to the Tibetans
  Or the Uighers
  Or the Hong Kongers
  Or the Taiwanese
  Or the – but you get the picture
  
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  November 19, 2022 4:47pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Yep, China’s ancient history is a constant story of expansion and many tribes, cultures, kingdoms became vassals or disappeared from history.
    I find it remarkable that they can try to pretend that the Chinese Empire was not imperialist – just because it was in a poor state in the time of western imperialism. The ancient Dian, the Yue and other kingdoms and people on the periphery vanished as a distinct people.
    If you visit regional museums you can see traces of former ‘barbarian’ peoples who were conquered in the material artefacts on display. Many of these were remarkable cultures in their own right.
    
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    November 19, 2022 6:18pm
- Jim
  
  The CCP will likely be delivering peace with these new nuclear powered submarines, that were commissioned when the West went into lockdown.
  
  https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/chinese-navy-commissions-nuclear-powered-submarine
  
  Stand fast RNZN, get ready lol.
  
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  November 19, 2022 7:48pm
Yvette

Hate speech reforms drastically watered down
The Government has discussed scrapping plans to ban violent threats against women and rainbow and disabled communities, Newsroom understands
… Newsroom understands, the scope of the reforms is likely to be severely curtailed. Justice Minister Kiri Allan has discussed only adding religion to the list of protected grounds and making no further changes to hate speech law.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/hate-speech-reforms-drastically-watered-down

Many matters relating to Māori have origins in Te Ao Maori – Maori beliefs and worldview and spitituality. And Maori are a minority group.
So will this make negative comments on the relationship of tangata to whenua verboten?
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November 19, 2022 9:04am
kevn

@deity… She has parked the oil and gas along with Marsden Point. For them. Not us.
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November 19, 2022 9:07am
I remember when

Are we getting so carried away with the damage the dairy industry’s GHG are causing that –
that we are failing to fully promote the health benefits of ‘grass-fed’ cows.
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November 19, 2022 9:21am
Bob

“The Peoples Store’ didn’t the very successful Soviet Union have these?
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November 19, 2022 9:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Last year from my Facebook:
Just remember the current Govt clowns want to implement a ‘wealth tax’ They want Tax before you even die. They need to learn wealth is not income.
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November 19, 2022 9:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bumped into a mannequin and said “sorry”
And then I said “Oh I thought you were a person”
Then I realised I was still talking to a mannequin.
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November 19, 2022 10:00am
I remember when

All the glitters may not be gold but it often attracts when in a shopping complex.
Has anyone else noticed that it seems to be a ‘toss up’ as to whether Jewellery or Vape shops shine brightest.
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November 19, 2022 10:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What happened in Arizona?
Katie Hobbs is counting her opponent’s votes. (Kari Lake)
Democrats still cheating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agAGmRVGJ1c
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November 19, 2022 10:10am
oldfella

Must be Saturday as there’s another anti-Luxon cartoon on stuffed this morning. Sheesh.
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November 19, 2022 10:12am
I remember when

Daily smoking rates at all-time low but remain high for Maori, figures show: RNZ.
Interestingly the article also included the following information.
“Twenty-two-point-nine percent of vapers were Pakeha, 21.7% were Pasifika and 17.6% were Maori.”
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November 19, 2022 10:33am
Lee C

“Chris Luxon is ACT’s greatest asset.”

Discuss.
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November 19, 2022 10:33am
- nathie
  
  Well Luxon (or make that the MSM) is keeping the heat off ACT because of the MSM’s unhealthy fixation and scrutiny on Luxon, making mountains out of beltway molehills!
  
  Luxon is clearly a threat to Labour and their credibility (poor ol’ Robbo seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time in the House fixated on Luxon)!
  
  So all I would say is “unity” dude, let’s make that National/ACT dream come true otherwise we will suffer another hideous and depressing Labour/Greens nightmare!
  
  (And with the likes of Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi gleefully dancing on the grave of what was once known as “New Zealand”)!
  
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  November 19, 2022 10:46am
  - Spring Bank Westie
    
    Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi.
    
    AKA – the Mad Hatter’s Ti Pati.
    
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    November 19, 2022 12:58pm
- Gravelroad
  
  A more relevant question might be:
  Is Chris Luxon National’s greatest asset?
  He may well be – and I am not suggesting otherwise – but have to admit, the National Party is not currently
  inspiring me with any hope for the future of NZ.
  
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  November 19, 2022 10:57am
  - Jim
    
    Agree, I’m tiring of the comments that Luxon is keeping his powder dry ….compared to two gun Seymour, Luxon is looking like a damp squib to me.
    
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    November 19, 2022 7:52pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Tactically ACT won’t win many votes from the Left so National has to. Votes that move from National to ACT are not lost.
  
  My concern is that National is not winning enough of those Labour votes yet though obviously in a much better position than pre-Luxon.
  
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  November 19, 2022 11:14am
krazykiwi

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has just fired the entire Alberta Health Services (AHS) Board of Directors.

Brilliant.

Time to start the trials.

Remember, Alberta is the state where the “Unknown” classification of a death went from, IIRC, 10th most commonly used 3 years ago to the most commonly used today.
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November 19, 2022 10:38am
Maggie Pie

Dropped my partner’s mum off in Newmarket earlier.
She was saying she hates it when she see’s an old person then realises they went to high-school together.

LOL!!
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November 19, 2022 10:44am
Maggie Pie

AND JUST IN….

Great News for the majority of us here on KB!!

https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1593721650419503104
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November 19, 2022 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am on their mailing list.
  
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  November 19, 2022 11:11am
- Ghost
  
  The Government has also asked Te Aka Matua o te Ture – The Law Commission to undertake a review of legal responses to “hate-motivated offending, and of speech that expresses hostility towards, or contempt for, people who share a common characteristic”.
  
  This will include whether further protections should be afforded to specific groups, including the rainbow and disabled communities.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130525745/human-rights-act-amended-to-protect-religious-communities-minister-says
  
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  November 19, 2022 11:34am
Colville

I am at a gun/military auction in Auckland.
Fair to say IF there are any Labour voters in the room they are very quiet!
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November 19, 2022 11:16am
Don Beckett

Yes Maggie. It’s a wierd feeling when you find that you’re the same age as old people.
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November 19, 2022 11:21am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I just pity the poor old buggers!
  
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  November 19, 2022 12:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I was heading off to the Pool with my swimming buddy and relating an example of the decrepitude of one my acquaintances. When I mentioned that the old chap had just turned 80, she looked at me and said “That’s not old”.
  
  (I had forgotten she’s 81…still swims 1km each time we go to the pool).
  
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  November 19, 2022 1:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  At the mall, old people are everywhere!
  
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  November 19, 2022 3:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jacinda Ardern’s boyfriend got a telling off.
He ran away like a child.
https://twitter.com/AnnieClaireBO/status/1592784639474929665?
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November 19, 2022 11:21am
Maggie Pie

Time to get in the Toblerone 😀

High Court Judge has ordered that documents relating to pedophile Jeffery Epstein’s associates be UNSEALED!!

https://mol.im/a/11445113
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November 19, 2022 11:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Judge’s name must not be on that list.
  Watch out for you know who. She got Anthony Bourdain.
  
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  November 19, 2022 1:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
I may have posted this from another source – can’t remember.
Winston Peters with Sean Plunket.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/winston-peters-on-the-latest-co-governance-developments-in-new-zealand/
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November 19, 2022 11:28am
- Ghost
  
  Or just go straight to the interview at YouTube
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaFpncceUwM&feature=youtu.be
  
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  November 19, 2022 11:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not easy when you don’t know of it. I don’t know where I first saw it.
    
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    November 19, 2022 1:16pm
Ghost

This lady obviously needs help, but, should state house tenants be told that if they go overseas for a year there will be a state house for them when they return to New Zealand?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/renting/130505453/woman-65-couchsurfing-for-more-than-a-year-due-to-housing-shortage
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November 19, 2022 11:29am
- artemisia
  
  Was she actually told that? Or was she told no problem to reapply. Seems unlikely there was an actual commitment.
  
  2017 – when she left New Zealand – the social housing waiting list was way way lower than now so expectations were different. In any case she was away several years so mobility may have been less of a housing related factor 5 years ago.
  
  She needs housing for herself and son, two adults so two incomes. Same or better than many looking in the private sector.
  
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  November 19, 2022 11:57am
  - Ghost
    
    We can only go by what she says
    
    “I was told not to worry because if and when I returned, I would be provided with new accommodation,”
    
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    November 19, 2022 12:03pm
    - artemisia
      
      We can be sceptical unless it was in writing. But even then …
      
      I worked there for a number of years and such a commitment would never ever have happened. Unless of course it was actually policy in 2017. There could however have been a miscommunication or misunderstanding or both. We will never know now.
      
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      November 19, 2022 12:56pm
    - edhunter
      
      Since ‘she’ needs an interpreter I would not trust her comprehension of a conversation held over 4 years ago.
      She appears to be a millstone around the neck of her Australian living relatives and had been shipped back to NZ where due to her kiwi passport, here she’s entitled to a benefit and all other sorts support denied her in Australia.
      
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      November 19, 2022 3:22pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        … she’s entitled to a benefit …
        
        Over 65 – it’s called “the pension” …. funded by that shrinking and long- sufffering lot the “net taxpayers” 🙂
        
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        November 19, 2022 4:59pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘She needs housing for herself and son, two adults so two incomes’
    
    Aged 65 & with limited mobility, she doesn’t look like a worker to me.
    
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    November 19, 2022 4:52pm
    - artemisia
      
      The pension, it’s income.
      
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      November 19, 2022 5:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I guess Labour is off the Christmas for Akout Makal?
  
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  November 19, 2022 3:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Elon Musk restores some right wing accounts.
https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/elon-musk-restores-right-wing-twitter-accounts/
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November 19, 2022 11:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nancy, you’re fired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY1XwVY5w4M
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November 19, 2022 11:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot. The view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbmInrrBHc
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November 19, 2022 11:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

He’s running again. The United Spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4J1p2aj3I
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November 19, 2022 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hunter and the Big Guy are in trouble.
https://rumble.com/v1v9bxy-damning-montage-shows-by-joe-big-guy-biden-is-in-deep-trouble.html?
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November 19, 2022 12:03pm
I remember when

Suicide deaths are down.
Drug overdose deaths up by up to 170 over last five years.
Are suicide deaths really down?
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November 19, 2022 12:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fired Twitter Employee goes for new job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-voQsFY6SE&t=18s
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November 19, 2022 12:14pm
Maggie Pie

Is Grant Robertson our ‘Insatiable Exchequer’ ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh15uYmXkAIf8mb?format=jpg&name=medium
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November 19, 2022 12:14pm
Chris Nisbet

Hmm, Nanaia guarantees long term resilience.
Hands up who believes a guarantee from a politician.
Since when has the issue with 88 waters been about resilience anyway?
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November 19, 2022 12:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nanaia is a Politician? Nah!!
  She is a plant, for the Maori takeover of NEW ZEALAND, to turn it into that mystical place called R.T. Rower.
  
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  November 19, 2022 4:06pm
Suze Wainwright

Might just be me, but the shopping centre and cafes just lacked any real vibrancy and patronage this morning – despite the piped Christmas music.

I don’t think it was down to the forecast inclement weather either…
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November 19, 2022 1:42pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s bustling in Wellington town
  
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  November 19, 2022 4:55pm
DeepBlue

Winston Peters calls it correctly:
He won’t work with a Labour government led by this mob – because Jacinda won’t be around, and if she isn’t Labour won’t be in a position to form the next government.
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November 19, 2022 1:45pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Oh really? Winston Peters said that?
  Just add another zero to the payoff figure and he will be in like the proverbial.
  And if Ardern is still around, then what?
  
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  November 19, 2022 2:50pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from Tennis reckons…..working on Max Rashbrooke’s calculations, all us girls should expect to receive a ‘Congratulatory-Message’ from King William 😀

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130515736/max-rashbrooke-the-halfhour-trip-that-robs-some-kiwis-of-10-years
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November 19, 2022 2:41pm
I remember when

(Manawatu District) Council have introduced ‘range of Covid-19 Measures’ amid rising cases: Newshub.
Measures include twice a week antigen testing for staff, limits to numbers in meeting rooms, physical distancing where possible and encouraging use of face masks for visitors to council offices, Makino Aquatic Centre and Feilding Library.
These are in the hope that they will allow Council to maintain normal levels of service.

And they don’t seem unreasonable.
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November 19, 2022 3:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Great. They are obeying the leftist “control” messages installed in their heads.
  Well done Jaspinda
  
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  November 19, 2022 4:11pm
Tom Hunter

Considering the opinions that are out there like this one:

Well, MBS has Trump and Kushner in his pocket
…
the Saudis want Trump back as President. They know he is amoral, bribable and will sell out the USA for Saudi dollars.

…
I had to laugh at this news,:

“The Biden administration declared Thursday that the high office held by Saudi Arabia’s crown prince should shield him from lawsuits for his role in the killing of a U.S.-based journalist”

It’s pathetic, but it has to happen because Biden’s energy policies have increased US reliance on OPEC. It’s also a complete betrayal of Biden’s biggest allies: The mainstream media, especially the Washington Post, for whom Jamal Khashoggi, moonlit as a “journalist” while also being a Muslim Brotherhood acolyte.

You’ll be surprised to learn that The Washington Post, which waged a crusade against Donald Trump for being nice to MBS, is completely silent (as of this writing) on Biden going much further in protecting the Saudi crown prince.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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November 19, 2022 3:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “sell out the USA for Saudi dollars.”
  That is what Joe is doing. He shut the Dakota pipe, he stopped fuel production, and then he sold American reserve oil.
  The man is driving America into the ground, same as Jaspinda is fucking NZ.
  You know it Tom.
  
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  November 19, 2022 4:26pm
  - kowtow
    
    “No more drillin’ , ya hear me”
    
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    November 19, 2022 5:44pm
- virtualmark
  
  Gee Tom, I really do live rent-free in your head. (Would be nice if you could clean the place up though – it smells in there).
  
  The USA’s long-standing policy is that heads of state can’t be prosecuted in US courts. Thursday’s declaration was a re-affirmation of that.
  
  It’s realpolitik rather than justice. Your country’s foreign policy becomes very complicated and unpredictable if private citizens are suing your foreign partners’ heads of state. In that way it basically parallels the Logan Act.
  
  But, if I were King of the USA then personally I’d look to change the law slightly. My preference would be to introduce an exception for crimes committed before that person became head of state.
  
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  November 19, 2022 7:48pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Oh, and Tom …
    
    My earlier comment you linked to was in regards to the Saudi’s and OPEC raising oil prices ahead of the US midterm elections. Where I pointed out that it was in the Saudis & Russian’s interests to drive oil prices high to help the GOP in the election.
    
    Funny thing. The price of crude is down by more than 10% since last week’s midterm election.
    
    Weird that eh?
    
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    November 19, 2022 7:52pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Gee Tom, I really do live rent-free in your head.
    
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    
    Dude. It’s Saturday night – and you picked up on that? Tell me again about living rent-free! 🙂
    
    Oh, and tell me again about Trump wearing Depend’s diapers after years of drug abuse. I love that shit. It just screams based. And the source is so solid.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZ media is under control – so now we have to get News from overseas.
Can’t you shut down the internet thingy of ‘free speech’ Jaspinda?
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/telling-detail-as-jacinda-ardern-meets-with-chinas-xi-jinping-215248402.html
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November 19, 2022 4:29pm
kevn

G20 pushing for Vax Certs on all citizens.
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November 19, 2022 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

Was sure I’d seen her a number of times waiting for a bus outside St Cuth’s.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1593770839530303488

😀 😀 😀
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November 19, 2022 4:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

Keystone Kops are at it again.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/police-car-stolen-two-other-police-vehicles-collide-during-pursuit/ar-AA14hGYp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=4d623516afd14a3aa93a3b44b24751eb
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November 19, 2022 5:03pm
- greybeard
  
  Kiwistone Kops.
  
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  November 19, 2022 6:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I asked my phone “Siri, why am I so bad with Women?”
She said “I’m Alexa you moron”
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November 19, 2022 5:10pm
Maggie Pie

‘History Never Repeats’ (Neil Finn)

Compare this to today’s brave ram-raiders 🙁

https://twitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1593668672693886976
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November 19, 2022 5:57pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You think it is OK to denigrate American soldiers?
  
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  November 19, 2022 6:49pm
  - Ghost
    
    I don’t think she is. Just comparing a different time where the young fought and gave their lives with todays little shits.
    
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    November 19, 2022 6:57pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Honestly Ghost – you don’t think he’d understand do you?
      This is the same guy that admits to driving a 20-year-old Celica FFS!
      
      But to be fair, those who like my posts are happier, more intelligent and far better looking than those who don’t, according to a study I did.
      
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      November 19, 2022 7:15pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  How are you still here?
  
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  November 19, 2022 6:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Keyboard Warrior!
    
    Bet you’d be too yellow to say that to my face 😀
    
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    November 19, 2022 7:07pm
- Observer of Life
  
  That very pale lad in the middle looks so damned young. ☹️
  
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  November 19, 2022 10:02pm
Benedict Yu

They at least used to pretend that they were impartial.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832270/jeff-bell-cartoons
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November 19, 2022 6:47pm
- Prince
  
  For those who think the main point of cartoonists is to speak truth to power, rather than relentlessly push their favoured political party…
  
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2022/11/18/a-fine-tremain-cartoon-2/
  
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  November 19, 2022 9:47pm
Scooter

So with news items increasingly calling NZ, Aotearoa, will there be a referendum on a permanent change or have media just been to told not use NZ anymore, so as not to have an open public debate. If so then what will they do about Air NZ etc, surely that can’t remain?
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November 19, 2022 6:56pm
- Swifty
  
  What will we refer to ourselves as; what will others call us?
  
  Aotearoans?
  
  Sounds a bit clumsy to me. As well as being a mix of Maori and English.
  
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  November 19, 2022 7:20pm
  - MCōs
    
    We are referred to locally and abroad as New Zealanders and Kiwi, a Māori word, but never Aotearoans.
    
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    November 19, 2022 9:08pm

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