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Warren

Has the Government lost the plot or are they that short of funds because of there overspending that they need to have Police officers go undercover as window cleaners that created $20,000 in fines from people using there phones or other minor instances.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/police-issued-over-20k-in-fines-while-police-officer-was-undercover-as-window-washer.html
They have crime at a high in most towns and cities around New Zealand that they still can’t control but find it necessary to have a officer gathering revenue from minor offenses.
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November 2, 2022 8:01am
- Ghost
  
  He’s part of the roading division, not going to be investigating non traffic crimes.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:17am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Then direct the money and resourcing where it’s needed. Jam jar accounting won’t help them or us…
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:24am
    - peterwn
      
      This is a decision for Parliament to make, not the Police Commissioner. This ‘jam jar’ (there are only two jam jars – road traffic safety policing and general policing eg catching burglars) approach was imposed on the Commissioner by Parliament. Parliament allocates an amount for general policing in the estimates and also allocates an amount to NZTA for road traffic safety which NZTA sub-allocates to the Police. NZTA require continuing evidence from the Police that this money is used for road traffic safety and not used for catching burglars.
      I see nothing wrong with police using police officers disguised as car windscreen cleaners to catch drivers using phones or not wearing seat belts (also no doubt checking for expired WOF’s)/ Given the significant death toll from road accidents, road safety policing is NOT a game of tiddlywinks.
      
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      November 2, 2022 11:53am
  - Matt Long
    
    Ram raids seem like they would involve automotive vehicles, but seriously if you track down stolen property on Facebook and the Police aren’t interested in dealing with it, it seems the clever folks running cellphone stings for fun would be better deployed in real police work.
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:25am
    - Ghost
      
      I was reading this article before, it’s an old article https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123721326/hundreds-of-kiwis-crashing-due-to-cellphone-distraction
      
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      November 2, 2022 8:32am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Sure, using your phone whilst driving is dangerous and stupid. Sitting at a red light in a stationery vehicle is a different matter, and I’m certain that’s why they put the undercover plod there.
        
        I wonder if a reasonable defence is that they picked up their phone to take a photo of an aggressive window-washer for your own protection?
        
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        November 2, 2022 9:35am
      - Ghost
        
        The cop would be in a prime location to watch people driving up to the lights on their phones.
        
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        November 2, 2022 11:45am
  - Prince
    
    Then the ‘roading division’ you have made up needs to be trimmed down and transferred to the ‘crime’ division.
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:25am
    - Ghost
      
      Oh the roading division is made up, suggest you read the article
      
      Data supplied under the Official Information Act stated the road policing unit used the tactic of an undercover officer dressed up as a window washer on four occasions between September 13 and September 28, 2022, in Auckland.
      
      Also read https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/structure/teams-units/road-policing
      
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      November 2, 2022 8:30am
    - peterwn
      
      That is a decision for Parliament, not the Police Commissioner. This would date back to the time when the Police and MOT traffic officers were merged and there would have been concern the merged police service may have paid sufficient attention to traffic safety (would be very easy to do given the context of heavy workloads and day to day ‘firefighting’). I think it was a mistake when merging that traffic safety policing did not retain a separate ‘brand’ from general policing.
      
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      November 2, 2022 1:00pm
  - Jim
    
    Yep Ghost those same overzealous traffic cops that seemingly never to be seen for the real loonatics on our roads like the 120db HD bikie gangsters that speed and weave as they intimidate people in towns, or those that terrorise the rural public with the drifting and street racing.
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:09pm
- wilderbeast
  
  This is a bad look whilst corner stores are being ram raided etc. I had occasion to ring our local police two nights ago for and gave up after being on hold for so long. “Priorities…..”
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:23am
  - Jim
    
    My friend had same recently, it took over 50 minutes to get through to report a crime that was being conducted…..all too late by the time the Keystone Cops arrived as 10 parked cars had been vandalised.
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:11pm
- kevn
  
  @Warren… Commonly known as picking the low hanging fruit. The easy stuff.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:57am
- Its only I
  
  I will never look at those annoying window washers at intersections the same again….and maybe modify my behaviour a little because its a wonder I haven’t been tased yet.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:00am
- Nerraw
  
  Just last week I was driving to work in my new car. Traffic slowed on the motorway, I slowed and then had to stop. Next thing, my car gets shunted from behind. The car behind me had been hit by a driver still doing 50 kph and was shunted into the back of my car. Said driver had been texting at the time of the accident and didn’t see the stopped traffic. the car that hit me was written off Luckily no one injured, but the potential is there. The fine should be considerably more than it is. I now have to wait for car to be repaired and drive loan car in the interim. All because of one idiot who does not deserve a Drivers Licence
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:17am
  - Jim
    
    It’s actually driving without due care and attention, but police hardly ever check, so the texters keep on being busy (updating their Facebook profile) whilst blindly covering 100s of metres. Crazy stupid things to do, until someone dies.
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:14pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Perhaps these under cover police could be put to better uses by trying to stop more serious crimes like ram raids.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:29am
- Harry Knuts
  
  A bit of both revenue generating and hitting quota targets.
  The police officially deny quotas but I would call bullshit on that as they have an unofficial mandate to get a certain amount of traffic tickets out on each shift.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:50am
- BarryB
  
  I know in the current environment this will be all down ticks but its important.
  
  Education in recent years has been all about ‘inventive’ spelling. But recently some bright teachers have discovered that if you cant spell you cant read. Some obvious ones are:
  Their & there
  to, too & two
  Whether, weather & wether
  
  So Warren – dont rely on auto-correcting software. As youve used ‘there’ it means direction, not ownership. Spelling does matter.
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:40am
  - Ghost
    
    So Barry, what would you say to someone that has written a post with youve in it?
    
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    November 2, 2022 11:52am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Barry is allergic to apostrophes
      
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      November 2, 2022 6:18pm
  - [email protected]
    
    You hit the nail on the head. See this way too often ( or should I say way to often 🙂 ). I hate to call someone on it but perhaps the moderators can add [sic] remarks. Without feedback the posters will not know they erred.
    
    [Mod – or you could simply reply to what a person has said and stop making so much out of their mistake]
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:54pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Out of the 144, 68 were for people not wearing seatbelts (including two for no child restraints), 70 were for using mobile phones and six were for red light offences.”
  
  Using your phone when driving and not having your kids in child seats are not “minor instances”. I have seen people texting while driving. The yare a menace.
  
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  November 2, 2022 12:00pm
Yvette

“Te Mana O Te Wai” statements appear to be a crucial device for Maori control of water (the mechanism is not available to non-Maori) – from the top level actual governance of the Maori Advisory Group (with Tipa Mahuta as Chair), and its supervision of Taumata Arowai (the new Water Regulator) and their supervisor in turn of the Four Regional Entities, where there are other groups of “co-governance” which are the ones most public opposition concentrates on – generally not realising this level is only the bottom of those who may issue “Te Mana O Te Wai” statements and they miss the Tipa of this iceberg.

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown’s statements and other Mayors now supporting him, appear to intend to get rid of the Four Regional Entities and water-down “co-governance”, but they do say they will retain Taumata Arowai (the new Water Regulator), although they do not mention Tipa Mahuta’s governing Maori Advisory Group and the Mayors also miss the potential “Te Mana O Te Wai” statements.

So what could a “Te Mana O Te Wai” statement actually involve?

■ Perhaps that commercial users of water be excluded from Maori policy decisions on the very water that commercial users base their livelihoods – a position already muted.

■ Maybe an extension of the legal recognition of water as a personage, following the recognition of the waikato and Whanganui Rivers to legally be people.

■ Or for examples of Maori “science” considerations read –
Māori voices left out as New Zealand’s space sector grows
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/130326590/mori-voices-left-out-as-new-zealands-space-sector-grows
Excerpt – He pointed to light pollution as an issue that could disproportionately harm indigenous people, and risk future generations losing access to an “important repository of knowledge.
For Māori, we are in a period of reclamation. Colonisation has resulted in the degradation and subjugation of our mātauranga and histories – including our relationship with celestial bodies,
We now have the opportunity to rebuild and redevelop our relationship with the night sky – however, owing to the international, national and local regulatory gaps surrounding outer space and light pollution, this opportunity is at risk of being lost to us.
We have made huge advancements in tino rangatiratanga at the national level, Matariki for example, But what of this advancement when we can no longer see Puaka rising? We cannot observe Matariki and her children? Does this create a stronger obligation on the Crown to protect access to the night sky?” – University of Canterbury pūkenga (lecturer) William Grant

Following some awareness of the possible power of “Te Mana O Te Wai” statements, can anyone – but particularly the Mayors, explain what such a statement may encompass. They are in the legislation, so what are they really for?
And when are the Mayors going to address this crucial issue?
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November 2, 2022 8:07am
- wilderbeast
  
  Te Mana o Te Wai – just a bunch of words designed to baffle and place an important policy issue beyond the reach of every day NZers. Not to mention the breathless arrogance that somehow water is more important to Maori than every other race on the planet. Spare me
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:26am
- RockyJ
  
  The article in Stuff on Maori claims to a piece of the action in our space programme is based on the opinions of a bunch of professors. Do they not realise how ridiculous they make Maori appear to us?
  
  When I was at school we had a seperate class called the “special needs class”. This is what the official view is of Maori.
  
  Special needs kids were a pain in the arse. Whenever we wanted to do something fun we were constrained by the need to take the special needs kids into account. Seperate facilities had to be built for them. Not only did they hold us all back they were noisy and disruptive. We are ended up resenting them.
  
  In reality most Maori are not special needs kids at all. But the elites and activists benefit by keeping them in their perceived condition. But I am hearing louder groans every time the special needs kids are mentioned.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:54am
  - virtualmark
    
    The two professors quoted in that article seem to be struggling to understand the difference between astronomy and aerospace.
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:27am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “ut what of this advancement when we can no longer see Puaka rising? We cannot observe Matariki and her children? Does this create a stronger obligation on the Crown to protect access to the night sky?” – University of Canterbury pūkenga (lecturer) William Grant”
    
    I keep saying we are a long way from peak madness in New Zealand 🙂
    
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    November 2, 2022 12:02pm
- Ehlana
  
  Read the space sector one yesterday. Surprisingly, it didn’t mention this: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/01/huge-planet-killer-asteroid-discovered-and-its-heading-our-way
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:00am
  - Taieri
    
    Will this killer asteroid influence the climate change though?
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:37am
- Opie
  
  You and Thomas Cranmer should do some kind of “team up”!
  
  Get this knowledge out to the public and hold these guys to account because no one else is….
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:32am
artemisia

Two recent situations where banks have declined (so far anyway) to refund customers for money taken from their accounts. Being reported that the banks have determined their security systems were not breached, the implication being that the account access was at the customer end. The first case mentioned that the account password was accepted at first try. Don’t banks all have two factor authentication these days?

Both customers are pensioners with a sad story.

The other story mentioned in each case is the amount of bank profit.

No agenda then.
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November 2, 2022 8:08am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Don’t banks all have two factor authentication these days?
  Not all. Mine doesn’t just to log in. However, when making a transfer and if over the limit then yes 2 factor authentication kicks in. But if the transfer is under the limit then it just goes through.
  Banks should not be liable for someone’s lack of their own online security. Whether be phone or romance scam.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:19am
  - [email protected]
    
    Banks offer on-line transactions in order to save on associated employee costs. Banks, therefore, have a responsibility to insure that their security systems prevent anyone other than the customer from making said transaction.
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      The thing is that they DO provide an adequate security system, but the punters then bypass the system by entering passwords or giving them to unauthorised people.
      
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      November 2, 2022 9:48am
    - Ehlana
      
      Banks, therefore, have a responsibility to insure that their security systems prevent anyone other than the customer from making said transaction.
      
      Given that there are two parties involved – the bank and the customer – I don’t think it is possible for the bank alone to be responsible for security.
      
      Remember that when banks had branches, despite many security measures being taken, robberies still occurred.
      
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      November 2, 2022 9:53am
      - rangitoto
        
        Yes but when the bank was robbed they didn’t deduct it from your account.
        
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        November 2, 2022 10:34am
- rouppe
  
  Offering two factor doesn’t mean it’s used, for example if that pensioner doesn’t have a mobile. Plus I believe they convinced the bank to change the registered mobile number
  
  However a sudden transferring of tens of thousands should have triggered suspicious transaction protocols
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:26am
  - artemisia
    
    When I have transferred large amounts it has been no problem provided a bank process has been followed. For example, go through the id verification process, set the amount, the date range and the recipient account.
    
    Scammers will know all this and be set up to plausibly go through the process. Won’t always work, no harm done, but lucrative when it does work.
    
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    November 2, 2022 12:03pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      I have a low daily limit. If I want to transfer a larger sum, I call the bank, get id’d and they raise the limit while I am on line, I do the transfer and they put the limit down again. Bit of a PITA but it’s not very often. They always offer to leave the limit at the higher value and I always decline with thanks …
      
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      November 2, 2022 5:43pm
  - Hebe123
    
    Kiwibank allowed me to pay the full cost of a house purchase minus the deposit from my current account to a lawyers trust account without even a phone call to check it was actually me. I was horrified and called them about it, they did not see any problem- i don’t leave any significant money in my KB accounts now. Not that I have any now haha.
    
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    November 2, 2022 3:34pm
- Prince
  
  Yep. Banks should subsidise stupid people.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:27am
  - [email protected]
    
    Unfortunately stupid and low intelligence people exist. They deserve protection from crooks.
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:51am
    - herb1
      
      You’re right of course info. If you weren’t Labour would have a difficult time finding candidates at election time
      
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      November 2, 2022 9:44am
    - Ehlana
      
      There is only so much other people can do, info. With the best will in the world, it is not always possible to save people from the consequences of their own choices, even when we all agree those people weren’t well able to make choices.
      
      It is, however, particularly contemptible to pick on those who are weaker and more vulnerable in the community. Even some crooks recognise that.
      
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      November 2, 2022 9:57am
  - kowtow
    
    The banks have been pushing people online .
    
    Then they shaft them.
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:26am
- Ghost
  
  I believe sbs got it wrong, yes the man was hacked, but reading what happened after that with the bank communicating with the hackers over their secure bank systems
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sbs-bank-labelled-heartless-after-refusing-to-refund-pensioners-stolen-134k/6GPSKAMT5ZMFF3GQKDZPXH75LQ/
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:51am
  - DeepBlue
    
    This is the curious bit. It seems to put a big hole in the 2 factor authentication system. This is what I would be investigating.
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:54am
- MCōs
  
  The story I read the other day was about a pensioner, like myself, who lost north of 100k to thieves online.
  He told the bank he protected his password and clearly the bank didn’t believe him, but were reluctant to comment on individual cases due to privacy.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:37am
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/us/paul-pelosi-attack-mentally-ill-suspect-previously-lived-jailed-nudist-lover-thought-jesus

[Mod – mental illness is not a joking matter ]
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November 2, 2022 8:11am
- Maggie Pie
  
  You can read the official Criminal-Complaint here Frankie….
  
  https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1587498577328209921
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yesterdays’ General Debate, my reply to All on Red:
    ‘May have been 3 people having a bitch fight.’
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:57am
  - virtualmark
    
    Maggie, I believe the chief of the SFPD confirmed in a televised interview that Paul Pelosi opened the door.
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:31am
- Inandout
  
  Watters has some level headed questions in this video about the Pelosi affair.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9pGUAFFRw
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good stuff. Thanks.
    
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    November 2, 2022 12:59pm
- virtualmark
  
  Frank,
  
  Reading the FBI affidavit it seems clear to me that DePape has no chance with an insanity defence.
  
  The courts will easily decide that arriving with a bag packed with a hammer, zip ties and duct tape shows deliberate planning. And his confession that he knew once Paul Pelosi phoned 911 that the Police wouldn’t let it go shows consciousness of guilt.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:46am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Unhelpfully the mod assumed I was talking about the assailant’s mental health. Not so. I was highlighting that his background was not one of MAGA.
    
    Not sure how the democratic strategy of political extremism is going to hold up with a nudist hippie.
    
    Anyway the beautiful Tulsi has come over to us whereas you have inherited the warmonger’s daughter. The GOP definitely got the best of that trade.
    
    Poor old Liz is getting owned by Kari Lake at the moment.
    
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    November 2, 2022 12:30pm
    - virtualmark
      
      It seems DePape was a conspiracy theorist who was deep into MAGA conspiracies like the stolen election/Big Lie and the Covid vaccines. (On that basis he’d likely fit in commenting on Kiwiblog …).
      
      Personally I don’t see how if he was a Antifa or communist or whatever Fox News alleges he supposedly is … why was he targeting Nancy Pelosi? That just fails the common sense test.
      
      And “I” haven’t inherited anyone. First I’m not American, and second I don’t feel strongly about the Democrats. I do feel strongly about people of character and courage, who are prepared to take the difficult unpopular path because they’re fighting for truth, or justice, or fairness. So I’ve had to re-assess my view of Liz Cheney in the last year or so. I admire how she has been prepared to knowingly sacrifice her political career and ambitions because she believes her political party is on the wrong path. I can’t see too many other politicians in the US, or UK, or Australia, or NZ who would do that. Respect.
      
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      November 2, 2022 1:36pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Cmon Marky – you have been feeding Democrat talking lines here for the last couple of years at least.
        
        Liz ain’t altruistic – she saw an opening to improve her lot and it backfired spectacularly. Literally the world political decision any politican has made in the western world in the past 25 years
        
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        November 2, 2022 2:24pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Frank, the only reason you think I’m close to the Democrats is because I look for sensible politicians and in the US right now there aren’t any in the GOP.
        
        Historically I’d sit comfortably in the Reagan or George HW Bush era GOP.
        
        But I can’t see my preferences or priorities reflected in the Trump era GOP.
        
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        November 2, 2022 5:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Putting Gizzy women in their place:

“Sit, sit down. The protocol on this marae is for the men to speak. Don’t say anymore.”

https://www.teaomaori.news/controversy-on-marae-marks-gisborne-councillors-first-hui
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November 2, 2022 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why do people give this stuff any credibility? Just stay away. Or if you are there walk out and tell them to let you know when they discover the 21st century.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:21am
  - Matt Long
    
    But they’re a superior culture Benedict, they’re at a higher level of intersectionality. And White Colonial Oppression.
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:28am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes. If a woman walked out while giving the Maori men an earful, you can bet the media would run a story about a colonising white woman oppressing Maori men.
      
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      November 2, 2022 8:33am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Haha Benedict dear boy, you are succumbing to Facebook mania. ie you have to have an opinion on everything.
    
    Over the last couple of years I have enjoyed reading your observations usually based on some fact or other.
    
    This post is not up to that standard and frankly is childishly inane.
    
    I look forward to you rinsing FB mania from your keyboard and returning to the BY of old.
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:09pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I think Misogyny is a Maori Value we should resist…
  Its sad we are in a space where pandering to a culture overide’s these people being stopped from behaving like this.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:27am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Exactly. Yet women who vocal about the rights of women, like Jacinda Ardern, Julie Ann Genter and Golriz Ghahraman are silent. I’m guessing they would explain that it is “different” when Maori silence women. Because of reasons. 🤡
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:31am
    - crikey
      
      “Because of reasons” BY.
      Indeed – the reason being hypocrisy.
      
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      November 2, 2022 8:56am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Reading the linked story, it appears that this guy feels he is “oppressed” by colonialism etc.
    So his way of dealing with his feelings of oppression is to oppress someone else – preferably a woman.
    Crazy – and not very intelligent.
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Crazy – and not very intelligent.
      
      Unless there are other folk with the same name hereabouts, Barney Tupara is a local Lawyer.
      
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      November 2, 2022 8:58am
  - iMP
    
    O good, I can now go and enrol in my local Women-only gym Curves, as a hairy old white male with sweat.
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:05am
- cas
  
  That link was interesting Maggy as it had a link to another story where the Govt has created a new job as chief advisor to Maori New Year. What next I wonder?
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:07am
- WaynelSexton
  
  I like how Maori still set boundaries.
  
  Our modern white culture has zero boundaries. We let Men dressed as women give speeches to 5 year olds.
  Now tell me who has the more backwards barbaric culture again?
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:17am
- Dave
  
  Not to worry. Chapter 4 of the guide to submissions on the future of local government tells us that local government will be guided by the values of Te ao Maori.
  
  I did ask in my submission this weekend, ‘What reason other than racism can you give for ignoring the values of the other 84%?’ and expect that even as I write this a local government functionary is writing a cogent response.
  
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  November 2, 2022 5:51pm
- Toes on the nose
  
  Maggy– I wonder if I should OIA GDC “Dear Rehette & Nedine– can you confirm how much GDC paid to Te Poho o Rawiri for the day #2 welcome?”
  I’m betting we wouldn’t have got much change out of $10k for the pleasure of having our elected member abused in a misogynist rant. Bet that wasn’t an enjoyable part of their co-governance Treaty journey & conversation.
  
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  November 2, 2022 7:22pm
Lee C

Knock yourselves out people, this time next year you’ll be classed as ‘haters’.

Meanwhile, as we are in the business of valuing life, I thought I’d throw out this old chestnut:
https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/07/03/as-adverse-reactions-to-covid-vaccines-reach-400000-the-truth-must-be-spread-widely/
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November 2, 2022 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will dump that on Facebook for the factcheckers 🙂
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Facebook already saying missing context – Vaers ‘reports’ are not solid proof.
  They report on data from the CDC ffs
  That can only mean it is true.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:05am
Maggie Pie

Ticking all the boxes?

When I read where Labor’s candidate for the Hamilton West bi-election was a Maori woman of Ngati Tuwharetoa descent, someone completely different came to mind….

https://twitter.com/apollonz1/status/1587276008755171328
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November 2, 2022 8:18am
- Frank the tank
  
  Reminds me of Mark Cooksley being chosen for the Maori All Blacks and being asked which tribe he was from and the big fella saying Manukau.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:30am
  - Rusty
    
    Frank – There was a famous Nz pro-wrestler in the 60s and 70s called John Da Silva.
    
    He was promoted as the Maori from Nz. It was discovered later that he didn’t have an ounce of Maori in him.
    
    He was a West Indian immigrant!
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:52am
    - marleybob
      
      That name is a blast from my past, I did some curtain raiser amateur bouts before he wrestled, hell of a nice guy John.
      
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      November 2, 2022 10:12am
      - rangitoto
        
        He passed away last year at age 86.
        
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        November 2, 2022 10:41am
      - Rusty
        
        marleybob -John along with Lofty Bloomfield probably 2 best wrestlers to come from Nz. Not sure why he was called Maori.
        
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        November 2, 2022 12:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From the comments:
  Might have had a bit of a Māori in her at some stage maybe?? That might be all you need these days
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is a fake post.
    
    These are the National candidates. None of them bear any resemblance to the photo of the person in the tweet.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300726857/underdog-national-party-unveils-diverse-candidate-shortlist-for-hamilton-west-byelection
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:38am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Last week yu chose to insult me with the comment…
      
      “YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT”
      
      Same to yu with knobs-on, Bene-boy.
      
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      November 2, 2022 9:52am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      That’s the Labour candidate they’re mocking. And it’s the real candidate who does claim Maori ancestry.
      
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      November 2, 2022 9:52am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Maggie Pie referred to the Labour Candidate and posted a pic of her.
      
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      November 2, 2022 9:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I am not understanding your reply to my comment about Georgie Dansey being of Moari descent
      
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      November 2, 2022 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    You still only need to be 1/412 to be on the Maori Roll.
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:41am
    - Nickc2
      
      How the fuck is that measured?
      
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      November 2, 2022 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Variable Arithmetic.
        
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        November 2, 2022 1:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  Referring to the Twitter link, Gary in Name Only’s comment sums up the situation completely IMO.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:01am
Southern Raider

The cost of living crisis under Labour gets better every day

Just got notice from a utility. Day fixed charge unceasing 100% and variable charge up 25%

And they only increased rates by similar margins 6 months ago

How are these increases inflation related. This is solely down to very bad Govt policy
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November 2, 2022 8:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  As is most of the inflation!
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:43am
- DeepBlue
  
  They are separate to inflation. The utility network are increasing charges for capital investments AND Labour’s low energy discount changes are kicking in. Plus there is that pesky ETS in the mix.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:59am
  - rangitoto
    
    They are still inflationary.
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:56am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Yes definitely. I just meant as well as general inflation from fuel, wages, etc there was also inflation from specific costs for the sector – which are now rolling in on top of the usual 7%+ inflation.
      
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      November 2, 2022 12:47pm
    - Bullion
      
      The phasing out of lower user charges will be inflationary for some and deflationary for others:
      
      The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment estimates 60 percent of households will be better off and 40 percent will have higher bills. It says those worse off are likely to be people who use less than 6500kWh a year. The current average household consumption is 7233kWh a year. 
      
      https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/low-power-users-to-be-hit-hardest-by-changes
      
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      November 2, 2022 3:02pm
Warren

It just shows you how politically corrupt our media is when they back the Union after Craig Rennie a former advisor to Treasurer Grant Robertson allegations that the highest earners and landlords will get billions out of Nationals promised tax cuts.
Thomas Coughlan writes nearly 6 billion in Nationals planned tax cuts for riches
5% according to Union Analysis.
Thomas Manch writes CTU Attack Nationals ‘massive and uncosted’ tax cut plan; National rejects ‘false assumptions.’
Ireland Hendry Tennent writes Christopher Luxon defends National tax policy after analysis finds forevery $1 bottom half get back , top 5% get $10.
This is from Craig Rennie who never once questioned Grant Robertson over his outrageous spending of taxpayers money supposedly meant for the Covid -19 Pandemic on bribes to keep the team of five million on side for the Government.
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November 2, 2022 8:21am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  What? You mean that tax cuts are bigger for people who pay the most tax? Well colour me fackin’ blue. But then most involved in the media are light weight, low IQ and heftily politically biased, so no one should be surprised at their articles. I’d suggest not reading them.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:32am
  - Bob
    
    The lower income residents of NZ, DONT effectively pay any TAX, they are recipients of the Working For Families scam of the Clarke era; an example of impossible to remove election bribes.
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:10am
- Yabster
  
  ctu economist- enough said
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:05am
- Ehlana
  
  Why do the media even bother to report such nonsense, let alone demand responses to it?
  
  That huge discrepancy in tax savings would probably decrease quite significantly if we moved to a flat rate tax system. Is that what the CTU want?
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:32am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Could this be the REAL reason that UK’s PM Liz Truss resigned?

The Russian Embassy wants an answer…..

https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1587466388494499842

(The replies are interesting)
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November 2, 2022 8:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yes, apparently she used her personal Iphone to send the message. 🤡
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:36am
- virtualmark
  
  Sounds like the Russian equivalent of the infamous “When are you going to stop beating your wife?” question.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:34am
Matt Long

Jamie Mackay on why farmers particularly despise this government, it’s as bad as the Lange/Douglass one, oops, I mean St Roger.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/jamie-mackay-up-a-creek-without-a-paddle/CYIN7LOI7NGZ7FCWX5ZUQ2STCE/
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November 2, 2022 8:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If my reading of New Zealand economic history is correct, Roger Douglas made changes to farming that had to be made. The crazy subsidies of the previous government were unsustainable.
  
  That is quite different to what is happening now.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:36am
  - MCōs
    
    I remember back in the fifties milk in the shops was subsidized and was almost given away.
    In the sixties subsidies were ramped up for the likes of fertilizer and more were piled on until the early 1980s when government support for agriculture was equivalent to 30% of the total output from farming.
    Then the rug was yanked!
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:57am
  - Bob
    
    Douglas didn’t make changes to farming that had to be made. HE made changes to appease the urban electorate and reward then for the Lange victory.
    The farm ‘subsidies’ were an attempt to recover unearned income from UNION DOMINATED employees aND RETURN IT TO THE PRODUCTIVE SECTOR —the RURAL part of NZ.
    This situation of INFLATED pay awards is about to return with the recent FPA.
    If the URBAN sector was as efficient and productive as the RURAL sector of NZ, this would be a very wealthy country, and there would be no need for WFF and the numerous welfare add ons.
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:15am
    - MCōs
      
      Subsidies and other bandaid actions are a dangerous route to go down.
      Back in those days the government controlled all sorts of things that would be unthinkable today. Exchange rate, general pay increases, price of petrol, how far trucks could drive, radio and tv channels, import licenses.
      Car industry was protected, as was whiteware, electronics, clothing . . . .
      
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      November 2, 2022 12:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was known as “Rogernomics” in 1985
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:18am
  - Matt Long
    
    That is correct Benedict, subsidies we’re set up by Muldoon to get farmers to produce more to help the massive balance of payments deficit caused by oil shocks.
    It caused massive distortions, skinny overstocked sheep, marginal land cleared that should have been left in native bush cleared.
    A generation of young farmers bought land with guaranteed low interest loans and guaranteed minimum prices, then rather than transition to sensible market policies Labour ripped the rug out from underneath them, the provincial economy collapsed overnight and provincial towns still haven’t recovered.
    The violence you see in Christchurch from fatherless children had much of it’s genesis then, the now jobless service workers became generational beneficiaries.
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:29am
- Warren
  
  Yes but Jamie Mackay runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds, one day he will support Winston or Jacinda and the next day he will be pissing I Chris Luxon pocket after criticizing him for what the other two have said.
  Just like all media Radio Hosts or Jounalists it’s all about them not the true picture.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:58am
- rangitoto
  
  I recall Mackay was a Cindy fan boy a short while ago.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:58am
103PapPap

Claire Trevett in the Herald criticizes National for it’s candidate selection policies. Diversity is the key, not stale pale male!
What she doesn’t comment on, is that the most useless members of Labour’s cabinet are also very diverse, so diversity might tick boxes but doesn’t deliver competent people.
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November 2, 2022 9:07am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It’s not the useless Labour Cabinet ministers that worry me as much as the worse than useless ones.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:54am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Diversity = wokeism
  Competence = getting actual bloody job done
  I know what I would rather have.
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jan Tinetti using covid lockdowns as an excuse for failing education achievement.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/477875/ncea-results-indicate-pandemic-set-back-children-s-education-by-months

But Our Dear PM, Chris Hipkins and co assured us that schools and teachers would cope during lockdown by using on-line learning.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/covid19-government-moving-quickly-roll-out-learning-home

Seems that system might have worked ok for some schools However, principals of other schools told RNZ the pandemic appeared to have had a minimal effect on children’s achievement.

What is becoming very clear is that delivery of the NZ education curriculum has not been undertaken by teachers/schools at the same level throughout the country.

Many children are getting a raw deal.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/477874/principals-expect-pandemic-s-disruption-to-learning-will-take-years-to-make-up-for
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November 2, 2022 9:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Online learning”…. yes that works fine in functional families.
  
  On the other hand the lockdowns would have been a nightmare for school pupils in dysfunctional families in crowded homes. There would not have been much learning.
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:35am
  - Taieri
    
    “Online learning”…. yes that works fine in functional families.
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    I don’t think it does. The socializing function of school is missing with “online learning”.
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:41am
    - Ehlana
      
      The academic learning bit works. Children in functional families would have been better socialised to begin with and their families would cope better with the lack of direct social contact during lockdowns.
      
      Children from dysfunctional families went into this more poorly prepared and suffered more as a result.
      
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      November 2, 2022 10:41am
    - oldfella
      
      What ever happened to all those computers Labour promised to deliver to disadvantaged families during the lockdowns so that their kids could learn at home?
      Lots of fanfare, but don’t recall any evaluation of how well the scheme worked.
      
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      November 2, 2022 10:50am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Evaluation? What, of outcomes?
        
        Bwhabwhabwhabwha!
        
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        November 2, 2022 7:00pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Did we get all the computers and modems back?
        
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        November 2, 2022 7:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“I don’t know who needs to hear this… but if you find yourself agreeing with the mainstream media, the millionaire celebrities, and the billionaire tech owners – you are not part of the ‘resistance’ ”
You’re a programmed sheep.

Candace Owens
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November 2, 2022 9:25am
Benedict Yu

This is quite a long post but worth a read. It destroys the push by the Greens for an “excess profits tax” on greedy “corporations”.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/10/31/profits/

“From the national accounts we have a breakdown between compensation of employees on the one hand and returns to business (including labour income for self-employed operations). Wage and profit shares have ebbed and flowed but nothing about the last few years looks very unusual……”

“Instead, from the party that wants to make us all poorer, force people to live in expensive townhouses, and do all they can to discourage cars and planes (oh, and free speech too), yesterday we got a proposal that there should be an “excess profits tax”. The Green Party’s discussion document is here. I guess it is mostly just political spin to try to keep up the radical left vote, but it really was an astonishingly threadbare document.”
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November 2, 2022 9:30am
- Taieri
  
  President Alexander Lukashenko just made inflation illegal in Belarus. Perhaps the Green Party of Aotearoa get its ideas from him?
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:44am
Alex

Do Russians celebrate “Halloween” as the Ukrainians got a nasty surprise All Saints Day, the worst attack on electrical infrastructure yet and that is saying something as they have been at it since October.
Britain now being dragged closer to the net, as Orcs accusing them of helping Ukraine with dirty bomb
And responsible for Nordstream attack according to Telegraph UK.
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November 2, 2022 9:35am
Random T Person

Very good video from Paul Joseph Watson here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmFY2PB-1xM
Showing just how angry we all should be at the greatest moral panic in human history, and its attendant inhumane outworkings.
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November 2, 2022 9:36am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Another good one clearly showing the hypocrisy of The Atlantic article by Professor Emily Oster titled:
  
  “LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY
  We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.”
  
  Michael P Senger, author of “Snakeoil Salesman” nails it.
  
  I’ll admit, I nearly spit out my coffee when I saw Brown Professor Emily Oster’s new headline in The Atlantic this morning. It’s the headline we’ve been waiting to see—and, in the revisionist, gaslighting style that’s become the journalistic norm on the response to Covid—it’s about the closest thing to an outright admission of guilt that we’ve seen since Covid began.
  
  The article is about as pathetically transparent as it is self-serving. Gee, I wonder what Oster did and said during Covid for which she might want amnesty…
  
  There’s a lot wrong here. First, no, you don’t get to advocate policies that do extraordinary harm to others, against their wishes, then say “We didn’t know any better at the time!” Ignorance doesn’t work as an excuse when the policies involved abrogating your fellow citizens’ rights under an indefinite state of emergency, while censoring and canceling those who weren’t as ignorant. The inevitable result would be a society in which ignorance and obedience to the opinion of the mob would be the only safe position.
  
  https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/lets-declare-a-pandemic-amnestynot?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=834349&post_id=81764434&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

A number of Government contracts have gone to a new consultancy business that seems to be behaving in a dodgy manner.

Why won’t Callaghan Innovation clarify its role in this matter?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/01-11-2022/deep-inside-the-explosive-we-are-indigo-saga

https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulletin/01-11-2022/the-makings-of-a-tech-sector-and-political-storm
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November 2, 2022 9:36am
- cmm
  
  Callaghans is an organisation that takes good money out of taxpaying people and companies and throws it at “innovations”.
  
  Although I am in an industry that gets funded from this, I am opposed to people doing so.
  
  Why should a baker be taxed more, and his business made more vulnerable, so that someone with an idea for a new website or whatever can get funded?
  
  The selection process is increasingly woke too. It is less about funding people with good ideas and more about funding people with the right “image”.
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It looks to me like Callaghan is funding a heck of a lot of software Tech start-ups and I can’t quite see where the services of a company like “we are indigo” are required.
    
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    November 2, 2022 1:35pm
Alex

What did you think of coverage of Melbourne Cup on TV One. It’s the same old same old. Did exactly the same coverage as last year and year before and possibly year before that? Usually covering what the presenters are wearing.
Karen think her name was, was wearing “Lesbian Chic”. It took me a while to work out why a man had the name Karen. Then when she said Lesbian Chic I got it.
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November 2, 2022 9:44am
Benedict Yu

Julie Ann Genter describes the new Wellington Mayor as a “dream mayor”.

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1586829165147598850?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

To my knowledge she has done nothing yet other than a giant celebratory breakfast and selfies. See the Auckland and Christchurch mayors for contrast.

Let’s see what folk in Wellington think of her in 12 months.
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November 2, 2022 9:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Some of the comments are brutal, and priceless….
  
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  November 2, 2022 9:53am
- alex Masterley
  
  She wont be comming back to Auckland anytime soon then.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:21am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I reckon “dream mayor” is exactly right. It’s what the Left do best when they are not hatimg someone.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:50am
- cmm
  
  I haven’t heard someone called “dreamy” since teen girls were throwing their knickers at rock stars.
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:13am
- david
  
  BY, “night mayor” might be more appropriate if she was in your or my area.
  
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  November 2, 2022 12:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour Government funding abusers from the victim support fund.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/act-party-women-s-refuge-disappointed-20-million-victim-support-scheme-helps-more-alleged-perpetrators-than-victims.html
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November 2, 2022 10:02am
- Warren
  
  Exactly what Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister does , remember the sexual deviate out her office after she promised the rape victims she would get justice for then covered up his name and threw the victims to the wolves by sweeping it under the carpet.
  Jacinda only does things that suit her agenda and fuck everyone else.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:57am
- cmm
  
  C’mon they are victims too…. victims of a system that has failed them!
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:12am
RoboRob

I think Labour are planning / trying to make abortion an election issue. My money (and I guess labours) is on the compliant NZ news media to canvas nation MPs on their abortion views. If they can find someone to say something even remotely pro life I expect labour and the media to try and frame the next election as a ’Woman’s rights’ vs ‘conservative Christians’ event.

I think they might try to replicate the strategy being employed by the Dems in the US. This makes sense when you consider almost all of the other normal electioneering platforms are unavailable due to Labours obvious failures.

My hope is that National are very careful with what they say. Even though I am more pro life, I would rather National steer clear of this debate. NZ has so many important issues to deal with, Labour trying to focus on areas that most NZers are happy with seems foolish.
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November 2, 2022 10:04am
- 103PapPap
  
  I agree about the election issue, but my guess is that they will make it a direct assault on Luxon.
  National need to focus this argument on the new speaker, who is also anti abortion.
  
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  November 2, 2022 12:43pm
- Hebe123
  
  Will they though? Latest data out has changed from previous years and doesn’t now show the percentage of fetuses aborted by gestation period. Probably bc it’s gone up with Jacinda’s extreme abortion law. There are a few current OIA requests for this data….
  
  Interestingly the data also shows that 64% of abortions were performed on women who had sex without contraception. I’m pro choice in general but I’m not pro using abortion as a contraceptive….
  
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  November 2, 2022 4:05pm
ClanMcleod

The Babylon Bee have given a list of the ten things you’re now allowed to say on Twitter that were previously banned.

2+2=4, controversial, but Elon is an out there sort of guy……

My personal favourite was this one.

OK, groomer: A handy response to people defending child drag shows as a “blessing of liberty”, and also a great way to reply when the PetSmart employee asks if you want to upgrade to the deluxe wash and trim for your doggo.

lol
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November 2, 2022 10:05am
DeepBlue

Note to Andrea Vance… The (supposed) glamour has gone girl. Stuff:
‘Transport woes notwithstanding, getting one of the planet’s most glamorous political couples to the frozen continent was a public relations coup, drawing the international gaze to vital research on global warming, sea ice cracking, and melting glaciers and icebergs.’
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November 2, 2022 10:05am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  More fawning drivel from the hen party. The only overseas coverage I saw was about her having to be rescued by the Italian air force.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:47am
Peter Lane

Appalling woke decision by Starship Children’s Hospital.

Can’t post a link because it’s in Herald Premium but they’ve basically turned down half a million dollars because it was offered as a donation by Waikato Stud owner Mark Chittick whose horse won a ten million dollar race in Oz.

I wonder if they accept Lotto grants and if so would like to know the difference between the two.

They can piss off crying poverty after this.
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November 2, 2022 10:18am
- Ghost
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/mark-chittick-horse-breeder-on-starship-rejecting-570-000-donation/
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:23am
  - Matt Long
    
    “Existing partnership obligations,” so some corporate has as a condition of their sponsorship of a children’s hospital an exclusive naming rights or something that prevents others from giving? Love to know who that entity is.
    
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    November 2, 2022 10:45am
    - Ghost
      
      Listening to the radio it sounds like it was barefoot and Thompson
      
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      November 2, 2022 10:49am
    - Biscuit
      
      These organisations that direct who can or can make donations to them make it SO easy for me to decline to other them any of MY donations…
      
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      November 2, 2022 12:15pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Oops, the word ‘OFFER’ is far more-easily read and understood if I don’t type ‘OTHER’…
        
        Sheesh!
        
        Maybe a caffeine fix will improve my attention to detail…
        
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        November 2, 2022 12:18pm
- oldfella
  
  Peter, when William Booth – founder of the Salvation Army – was challenged about some of the money he collected, he apparently said he didn’t care if the money was dirty as he would wash it clean with the tears of the needy.
  Perhaps, in Starship’s case, some of the people who run it have forgotten who they’re working for.
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:30am
- surfing
  
  It’s disgusting, I will never ever donate a single cent to them.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

To think this guy could destroy the world with the push of a button 🙁

His son died of cancer or goodness sake. Not fighting in Iraq!

How could he forget that?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1587524435925417989
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November 2, 2022 10:23am
- Matt Long
  
  Coming to terms with dementia or psychosis in people you’re close to can take a lot of mental adjustment. Thoughts and prayers for the Dems and their NZ proxies.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:48am
- Frank the tank
  
  It was on his teleprompter Mags. His minders are starting to fu*k with him Ron Burgundy style.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:56am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Makes me what possessed the US public to think it was a good idea to elect someone that is clearly not the full quid. As Biden has proved many times he has struggled on the basics.
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:14am
  - Don Beckett
    
    The US public didn’t elect him.
    
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    November 2, 2022 12:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s much more than pushing a button. There are two “nuclear footballs”
  One is with security, I don’t know where the other one is. If needed the data from both must match. Correction, there are three (I did not know) It is quite a process to get everything authorised.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sobca6jgVp8
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The crazy Horizontal Harris also has a nuclear football.
    Two totally dysfunctional people have the footballs carried close to them at all times. Bit of a worry really…..
    
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    November 2, 2022 11:28am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Harris’s frequent babbling gaffs come across like she has some sort of severe public speaking problem, amazing for someone with a career in politics – surely it can’t just be that she is thick.
      
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      November 2, 2022 8:12pm
leoj

Starship Childrens Hospital is clearly administered by a woke numties.

They turn down $500,000 from Waikato Stud’s Mark Chittick whose horse won the $10 million Golden Eagle at Rosehill on Sat.

The race organizers asked for charities to donate 10% of the winner’s cheque. Starship’s woke leaders don’t like horse racing and declined. Chittick nominated Muscular Dystrophy instead.

Labour/Green wonks for sure and they lose. Go woke, go broke.
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November 2, 2022 10:24am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I think this might just qualify as the worst decision made by woke numpties in our short history of wokism.
  Six years ago I would told the bearer of that news that they were hallucinating. But this is 2022 and that sort of idiocy is now well established.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:54am
  - cmm
    
    2022 is the up-is-down, left-is-right world that is far more implausible than the most fanciful fiction.
    
    In Germany they’re now bulldozing wind farms to get at the coal underneath. Anything goes!
    
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    November 2, 2022 11:46am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Well in that case the Germans are making a sensible decision.
      
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      November 2, 2022 12:05pm
- Frank the tank
  
  They are in an unenviable position. Agree to it and then the left dumpties’ come out and scream hypocrisy.
  
  When my daughter was having a couple of operations the furor about Ronald McDonald house was going through. The horrible shit the foundation got from both staff and the left over that sponsorship left an extremely sour note.
  
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  November 2, 2022 10:55am
- kevn
  
  @leoj… Starship admin doesn’t like gambling.
  Must remember that when going in the line for a hip replacement. It is a gamble if you will die waiting.
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:07am
  - david
    
    AFIK, starship doesn’t do “adult stuff”. Hip ops there would be extremely rare I would suspect.
    
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    November 2, 2022 12:53pm
- cmm
  
  How long before they shut the helipad coz climate change….
  
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  November 2, 2022 11:43am
  - mandk
    
    I don’t think it will be long.
    
    Moreover, the eco-fascists will soon be demanding that critically sick children should be delivered to the hospital by rail or, failing that, by bus.
    
    Normally, I would submit this as a sarcastic comment, but you just can’t tell any more.
    
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    November 2, 2022 12:46pm
    - Taieri
      
      that critically sick children should be delivered to the hospital by rail or, failing that, by bus.
      ———–
      
      By bicycle.
      There was no provision for parking in the original plan for the yet to be built Dunedin Hospital. But there’s a provision for bicycle bays and chargers for ebikes.
      Now, I have nothing against bikes and their riders but just can’t imagine sick people going to a hospital on a bike.
      
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      November 2, 2022 7:30pm
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2022/11/01/bibi-is-back-exit-polls-show-netanyahu-with-majority-bloc-in-israeli-elections/

The old coot won’t be happy Trumpy’s mate appears back in.
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November 2, 2022 10:52am
I remember when

So 10% of the 20,000 cases of covid in New Zealand last week were cases of reinfection.
So the other 90% weren’t.
Exactly what the figures from the research Dr John Campbell post on youtube show.
Community immunity?
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November 2, 2022 11:07am
cmm

Why are all these pundits going on about the Nordstream2 job being so hard and needing special forces etc?

From my limited understanding, the pipe is at 200ft deep. That’s 60 metres.

That is well within the diving capabilities of your local SCUBA club!

I’ve been deeper than 60 metres more than once and didn’t even bother with decompression on one occasion.

And you wouldn’t even need a diver. Lower down a box of explosives with a rope.

The whole job could be done by two guys with a recreational power boat in 5 to 10 minutes.
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November 2, 2022 11:34am
- Ehlana
  
  In what must surely be a crime against summer to rival the always out of order milkshake machines, McDonalds has removed the sauce from its McFlurry sundaes to “reduce the overall sugar content … in line with a supplier’s global rules”.
  
  Aren’t McDonalds the supplier here? Or do the makers of ingredients now get to dictate the recipes?
  
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  November 2, 2022 12:22pm
- virtualmark
  
  If I were the Ukrainians I would have sent a small group of fit young men – divers, soldiers even – on a Baltic summer holiday. Chartered a boat from somewhere like, say, Lithuania. Spent a week or two stopping at nice spots like Gotland, taking in the sights. And then do a small spot of “recreational diving”. Charges timed to go off a few days after the boat was returned and the holidays were over.
  
  But hey, I’d also have sent the same team of people on a summer holiday to Italy. Go to the Tuscan coast. Check out the big super yacht that is supposedly owned by Putin and is sitting in Marina di Carrara. Surely not hard to sink a super yacht that’s at anchor.
  
  And then start blowing up their houses in France and Italy and so on.
  
  Make it personal.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Are you seriously advocating that Ukraine undertakes Guerilla Warfare in one of their neighbours Sovereign Territory?
    How do you think that will go?
    #idiot
    
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    November 2, 2022 3:29pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Yes. They are at war Red. Do you think this is all Marquis of Queensbury rules?
      
      What do you think Winston Churchill would be doing (given his love for dirty tricks)? What do you think Israel does against Iran etc today (even though they’re not formally at war)? What do you think the CIA does with its Special Operations Group?
      
      Sure, there’d be risks in being caught by Police in somewhere like Italy. Okay, ask for volunteers, and lean on your partners like Italy if-and-when there’s a problem.
      
      If you want to make Putin hurt personally then take the war to Putin. If you want to make the oligarchs put more pressure on Putin then take the war to the oligarchs.
      
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      November 2, 2022 5:48pm
      - virtualmark
        
        I’d add … there’s clearly a factional struggle going on in Russia right now. You can see it in the number of people having mysterious falls from windows. And others like Prigozhin openly criticising Shoigu. Etc etc.
        
        So if I were Ukraine I’d be meddling hard in that. Drive your enemy to tear themselves apart. And that won’t happen with artillery, it will take more underhanded methods.
        
        What I’m advocating is, to use an Israeli example, Mossad-type actions rather than IDF ones. Let the UAF concentrate on the battle at the frontlines. But also have a parallel unconventional campaign.
        
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        November 2, 2022 6:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You are taking the war to Sovereign States which are independent.
        Ever heard the expression collateral damage
        You really are fucked in the head with the very idea of Ukraine blowing things up in other Countries.
        You are mentally ill
        Seek help
        
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        November 2, 2022 11:05pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Better to have Russian assets seized and sold. Ukraine should get a few $10’s of billions from them.
    
    Ukraine are obviously tickling the tail of the dragon – Russian infrastructure would be easy to target with missiles (cheap go-cart engine powered drones only cost $1-2k in parts), but nuclear reprisals are are real possibility, and to date Ukraine have been very circumspect about doing anything within Russia.
    
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    November 2, 2022 7:47pm
Inandout

A bit of news about JFK files released by Trump and presumably before Jacinda funded our MSM.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/98324569/british-newspaper-got-anonymous-call-25-minutes-before-jfk-assassination

Interesting what is out there.
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November 2, 2022 11:59am
Nickc2

Just in case you didn’t know, Britain’s new PM (Rishi Sunak) and our Cindy have a lot in common. They’re both disciples of the WEF along with others.
In being so, they’re about to enter into a Centralised Banking Digital Currency scheme. If that isn’t scary enough, watch this video and see what we’re being sucked into. I don’t recall her announcing this before the last election eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTOYJ4QCPnI
PS: Sorry, a digitised voice announces as you go to pay for your groceries, there’s no currency available today. Your Govt is using it all to pay an interest installment on borrowed currency.
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November 2, 2022 12:16pm
Jack5

Reporter Andrea Vance gushes …

In Stuff on the visit to Antarctica of Prime Minister Ardern and her “fiancé Clarke Gayford”, Vance describes the pair as “one of the planet’s most glamorous political couples”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130327013/the-hidden-row-over-nzs-mission-to-antarctica-and-the-future-of-scott-base
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November 2, 2022 12:40pm
- Ghost
  
  glamorous political couples…. Well in all fairness the pool isn’t that deep to pick from.
  
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  November 2, 2022 12:46pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Given the subject, author and publisher I gave the article a miss. However I’ve noted Ms Vance’s judgement of glamour is as flawed as her politics.
  
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  November 2, 2022 1:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, I have noticed of late that articles on Jacinda in stuff draw quite unfavourable comments. This article is no different.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:13pm
Ghost

If only she thought of this before standing, waste of money

Despite promising voters she would be committed to her role, a newly-elected Christchurch community board member has quit just days before her first meeting, sparking a $75,000 by-election.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/130346209/75000-byelection-sparked-by-community-board-members-resignation
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November 2, 2022 1:09pm
Maggie Pie

Sounds like Fester believes the main reason Wayne Brown won the Auckland Mayoralty was…..because he’s white. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/TheSpinoffTV/status/1587504755034800132
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November 2, 2022 1:21pm
- Nickc2
  
  Fester’s another lying bastard. He lost the election because he’s another Cindy Pinocchio Puppet.
  He’s, a signed-up member of the Labour Cause (or is it Curse)!!!
  
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  November 2, 2022 1:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He never has a problem playing the race card.
  That is why he lost.
  
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  November 2, 2022 1:47pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Fester is a gift that keeps on giving. What a great laugh. LOL
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:24pm
Ruawai

National need a better answer when the Government and media keep saying their tax plans will give more money back to high income earners than low income earners. It is because the top 5% pay way more in tax so percentage wise are going to get more back. The lowest earners often pay very little tax after working for families etc so there is very little to give back, it is the middle earners who it is aimed at as they will likely move to a lower tax bracket for most of their tax.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/christopher-luxon-defends-national-tax-policy-after-analysis-finds-for-every-1-bottom-half-of-earners-get-back-top-5-pct-get-10.html
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November 2, 2022 1:36pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Chris should say that it’s impossible to give tax back to people who didn’t pay any in the first place
  
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  November 2, 2022 7:10pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s not ‘getting back” it’s being “extorted less”
  
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  November 2, 2022 7:50pm
riffer

This is kind of unfortunate for those who claim the government is stuffing everything up.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/latest-job-numbers-out-unemployment-flatlining-near-record-lows/O4NDE3Y4W5GMHGDRDDS733LX7A/
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November 2, 2022 1:57pm
- Swifty
  
  Not in the least riffer.
  
  Go and dig out total beneficiary numbers since 2017 and report back to us.
  
  Spoiler: they have exploded under this government.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:05pm
  - riffer
    
    Sure.
    
    Beneficiaries as a proportion of working age population.
    
    2010 11.40%
    2011 11.70%
    2012 11.50%
    2013 11.10%
    2014 10.40%
    2015 9.80%
    2016 9.30%
    2017 8.30%
    2018 8.70%
    2019 8.30%
    2020 9.10%
    2021 9.70%
    
    That’s hardly an explosion.
    
    Source: infometrics.co.nz
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:33pm
    - kevn
      
      @rif… Try ‘jobseekers’ (they aren’t really) rather than beneficiaries. Two different beasts.
      
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      November 2, 2022 5:36pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      NZ working age adults on benefit up from 9.3% in 2017 to 11.1% in latest quarter. Perhaps you can explain why the govt is torturing definitions to claim an historically low 3.3% unemployment compared to 4.7% in 2017, but has 2% more working age beneficiaries – and working age beneficiaires are actually highest they’ve been since peak of GFC?
      
      Labour; lying liars who lie.
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/research/investigating-the-relationship-between-unemployment-and-benefit-receipt/
      https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/2022/benefit-fact-sheets-snapshot-september-2022.pdf
      
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      November 2, 2022 7:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now how do we shift 345,000 working-age folk off the benefit?
  
  “Adding insult to injury is the 345,000 working-aged New Zealanders on a benefit. Almost the population of Christchurch is on a benefit with almost 100,000 classified as being ‘work-ready.’ There is no excuse for 100,000 people not working when jobs are everywhere.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00009/that-low-unemployments-really-a-labour-crisis.htm
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:10pm
  - riffer
    
    Given that the jobseeker benefit now includes a large majority of people who are physically or mentally unable to work, the most effective means of reducing the amount of people on benefits would be compulsory euthanasia of anyone physically or mentally unfit to work.
    Of course, that would never wash with the general public.
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:35pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      the most effective means of reducing the amount of people on benefits would be compulsory euthanasia of anyone physically or mentally unfit to work.
      
      Perhaps you should promulgate your Nazi eugenic beliefs on someone else’s blog.
      
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      November 2, 2022 3:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Eugenics – The dirty little secret of the Left
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/from-the-archive-blog/2019/may/01/eugenics-founding-fathers-british-socialism-archive-1997
      
      The Fabians, Sidney and Beatrice Webb and their ilk were not attracted to eugenics because they briefly forgot their leftwing principles. The harder truth is that they were drawn to eugenics for what were then good, leftwing reasons.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left
      
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      November 2, 2022 4:52pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
    Yes, 350,000 odd working age people on the benefit and Labour crows about a narrow slice of this group.
    
    Why aren’t they crowing about the 350k figure? Well we know why don’t we? It’s a disgraceful number.
    
    Labour think we’re stupid. They think we’ll believe any old guff they put out.
    
    The supermarket shelves are empty but tractor production is up 1.75% this month!
    
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    November 2, 2022 4:17pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  That’s a massive success for Labour:
  Drive inflation with Government policies,
  People get wage increases (less than inflation)
  Claim “Record wage increases!!!”
  Tax rates not indexed to inflation so the “massive wage increases” results in a massie increase in the tax take!!!
  
  Meanwhile, Kiwi’s wages are buying less than they used to AND they’re paying more tax.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:19pm
  - riffer
    
    Because wage rises are evil. Sure.
    
    Please explain why, if our Government policies are the primary source of inflation in New Zealand, why it is that so many other countries have far greater inflation than our country?
    
    Also, please explain why it is, that government policies have led to record profits for companies in this country?
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:37pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Where does one start with such a high level of ignorance.
      Try reading a few books
      Others can recommend you a few.
      
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      November 2, 2022 3:19pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        That’s telling him Red. Boring if you had jusr tried to provide any kind of answer to the actual question 🙂
        
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        November 2, 2022 4:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        How helpful of you Ian
        //
        The guys a troll. Couldnt be bothered.
        
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        November 2, 2022 5:01pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Wage rises are great but saying you have massive wage rises when they’re actually less than inflation is BS.
      
      Our Reserve Bank is legally required to keep inflation between 2-3%. Our Government has literally allowed them to forego their legal responsibility – hence the Government are responsible.
      
      Government policies have resulted in record profits for banks (printing money to drive up house prices) and Supermarkets (killing off small business competitors). I assume those are the companies you mean? There are very few Labour policies that help businesses other than those two.
      
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      November 2, 2022 3:49pm
- Ghost
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/financial-stability-dark-cloud-over-nz-s-economy-as-interest-rates-jump.html
  
  Financial stability: Dark cloud over NZ’s economy as interest rates jump
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

Actually, I meant to mention this last week 🙁

Both me and my partner will be going to Hell now.

https://twitter.com/CamWill79995447/status/1587329518704168960
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November 2, 2022 1:59pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Dominoes gets dominated.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:08pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I always do.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:52pm
surfing

Since the ministry of education blocked schools from demanding ‘donations’, we are now getting asked to pay for ‘different’ things.

Just received an overdue demand for our daughter, from her college including these items….

12/13 Education Perfect – Year 12 & 13 30.00 29.00 1.00 15/2/2022
201 Chemistry 25.00 25.00 0.00 15/2/2022
201 English 10.00 10.00
201 General Biology – BIOZONE Workbook Bundle 26.00 26.00 0.00 6/4/2022
201 History 7.00 7.00
201 Mathematics with Calculus 20.00 20.00 0.00 15/2/2022
201 Mathematics with Statistics 20.00 20.00
201 Physics 25.00 25.00 0.00 15/2/2022
EOTC – Biology Level 2 Field Trip 17.00 17.00
Road Safety Education Programme 2.00 2.00
Magazine 20.00 20.00
Student Identification Card 6.00 6.00 0.00 15/2/2022

It seems to me they just replaced donations with other compulsory demands.
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November 2, 2022 2:08pm
- riffer
  
  Well, you could always pay more tax so that doesn’t happen.
  
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  November 2, 2022 2:38pm
  - surfing
    
    That is a preferable option than lying about education being free!
    
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    November 2, 2022 2:46pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    How about our money is used more efficiently?
    Its always more tax with you fools.
    Never about finding a solution. I’m starting to think Lefties suffer from some sort of congenital stupidity.
    Maybe a defective Gene or something.
    Wow
    
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    November 2, 2022 3:31pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    How about cutting all of the useless spending of this useless government?
    
    We’d end up swimming in a Scrooge McDuck-sized money bin.
    
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    November 2, 2022 7:15pm
Takere

Maybe its worth having a read of what the ‘Bill’, the proposed legislation says and then ….

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2022/0136/latest/LMS534587.html#LMS534627

Part 2
Water services entities
Subpart 1—Establishment of water services entities
10 Water services entities established
11 Objectives of water services entities
12 Functions of water services entities
13 Operating principles
14 Duties to provide funding and information
15 Status of water services entities
16 Shares in water services entities
17 Core things water services entities can do
18 Other things water services entities can do
19 Acts must be for purpose of functions

and then, my fav….

“117Contracts relating to provision of water services
(1)
Despite section 116, a water services entity may enter into a contract for any aspect of the operation of all or part of water services for a term not longer than 35 years.
(2)
If a water services entity enters into a contract under subsection (1), it must—
(a)
continue to be legally responsible for providing the water services; and
(b)
maintain ownership of the infrastructure and assets relating to the water services; and
(c)
retain control over—
(i)
the pricing of water services; and
(ii)
developing policy related to the delivery of water services.
(3)
This section does not prevent a water services entity from entering into a contract with 1 or more other water services entities if the purpose of the contract relates solely to water services.
Compare: 2002 No 84, s 136 …”

Lets hope they keep this going all the way to their election funeral(s).
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November 2, 2022 2:12pm
MCōs

“Capital bracing for strong winds and wet weather”

Headline just now that you don’t see too often, said nobody ever.
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November 2, 2022 2:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Actually, that’s not a common headline. If you do see it, chances are that such weather would wash the jaffas out to sea.
  
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  November 2, 2022 7:17pm
Maggie Pie

And if you just happen to stumble across this letter from the Police while going thru your partner’s phone, don’t panic…..turns out it’s a SCAM!

https://twitter.com/NZPoliceMedia/status/1587623281112514560
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November 2, 2022 3:33pm
Ghost

With such a close result I’m surprised there isn’t a recount

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/02/outgoing-gore-mayors-request-for-election-recount-denied/

Outgoing Gore mayor’s request for election recount denied
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November 2, 2022 4:07pm
Ghost

Bloody insane, pharmac are going backwards

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300728079/advocate-gutted-as-pharmac-reviews-blanket-funding-of-child-cancer-medicines

A rule which allows for blanket funding of cancer medicines to treat children is being reviewed by Pharmac, to consider whether it is still “needed”.

At present, any medicine used to treat cancer in a paediatric setting is automatically funded without a Pharmac assessment – under rule 8.1b of the Pharmaceutical Schedule.
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November 2, 2022 4:18pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yeah, well. In the US, any vaccine on the children’s schedule is automatically funded. Hence Pfizer has got the jizzer on that schedule.
  
  Maybe there’s something similar happening in GodZone.
  
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  November 2, 2022 7:19pm
Maggie Pie

And STILL not banned in NZ….

https://twitter.com/new_orleansjazz/status/1544490105636671488
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November 2, 2022 6:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Now I have been told to stop linking to the main page of this, so I will just link the first which contains the link. It needs two.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/renown-businessman-comes-out-hitting-against-co-governance/
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November 2, 2022 7:01pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

How is it that this guy has not been deported?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130352001/man-who-smuggled-meth-into-new-zealand-jailed-for-16-years?
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November 2, 2022 7:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He will be a NZ citizen.
  
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  November 2, 2022 8:23pm
Takere

If someone has hurt your feelings and or sad bad words or things about you. You could dob them into one on NZs 12 $300m Gestapo Agencies?
The SIS (Secret Intelligence Services)
The GCSB (Government Communications Security Bureau)
The NSG (National Security Group)
The Police Intelligence Unit
The CNSN (Cabinet National Security Committee)
The ODESC (Officials’ Committee for Domestic and External Security Coordination)
The SIB (Security and Intelligence Board)
The CTCC (Counter-Terrorism Coordinating Committee)
The NICC ( National Intelligence Coordination Committee)
The IAD (Intelligence and Assessments Directorate)
The NRU (National Risk Unit)
the NSPD (National Security Policy Directorate)
and the National Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism. (Narks!)

Remember when you trigger someone. You’re most likely going to end up on a ‘list’.
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