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Yvette

$70m from Covid fund fuels Three Waters spend up
“$14.6m to increase iwi/Māori understanding of the changes and their capacity to contribute to them”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/70m-from-covid-fund-fuels-three-waters-spend-up/ANAIHQYMOFA7LNYUTQ6XRWNV6M/ – paywalled

Since Willie Jackson has consulted targeted Maori Ēlite over at least a six-month period, and so far has taken more than four months to “water down” their response to something acceptable to take to Cabinet, which group of Maori is the $14.6m – to increase iwi/Māori understanding of the changes and their capacity to contribute to them” – being targeted at?

• Is it to tell the lower social statistics Maori group what the Ēlite Level have already submitted? – before or after it goes to Cabinet, or later, with the other 83 percent of non-Maori New Zealanders?

• And with the amount narrowed to precisely $14.6 million. it is surely a figure not just plucked “out of the air”, and so has detailed intent?

• And, minor point it may seem: but where is similar funding for “non- iwi/Māori – the afore-mentioned 83 percent of Others, to understand the changes and their capacity to contribute to them”? – whenever the hell that happens – or doesn’t
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Shot-in-the-Foot Note:
Didn’t Labour already try this – redirect specific Housing funding to buy Ihuāmatao, for a purpose that a consultative huddle are presumably still trying to decide on?
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November 4, 2022 8:05am
- RockyJ
  
  Three Waters is dead. Even if they ram it through Wayne Brown’s excellent response has made the product fatally flawed.
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:42am
  - surfing
    
    Yet government is pushing on with three waters. Legislation enabling three waters is passing before christmas.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:56am
    - Nickc2
      
      If this bill is ever passed, I sincerely hope there is mass Civil Disobedience. I hope this makes the Covid Mandates and Farmers’ protests look like a prayer gathering.
      
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      November 4, 2022 10:15am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Nick2 – Sheeple don’t protest. They silently accept whatever Cindy gives them. After all these were clowns who posted lockdown videos, baked cakes and kept teddy bears in windows…..F**k them all.
        
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        November 4, 2022 10:50am
  - Paulus
    
    Watch as Mahuta cancels the new Auckland Councillors and puts in Commissioners, as she has for the last and next three years in Tauranga.
    
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    November 4, 2022 1:15pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Dont forget the Farmer tax.
    
    The world is laughing!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhez3is_rfs
    
    Only 1.3 million international subscribers!!!
    
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    November 4, 2022 6:10pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I say men regardless of race colour or creed who father children irresponsibly and beat women and children deserve to be called out and punished. The same goes for women who have children irresponsibly.
  
  I say seeking to defend them on the basis of race colour or creed is the last refuge of the coward who have no valid rebuttal.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:00am
- lastmanstanding
  
  As I have said before Maori have a more class driven system than anything that has every existed in England. In fact I say the Maori class system put the English to shame. The Maori class system is based on Tribes and tribal families. The Maori underclass are never going to achieve whilst their Elites extract from the ToW settlements and only allow the crumbs to fall from the table to the underclass.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:15am
  - Allan
    
    Totally correct statement Sir, I suggest that everyone should read New Zealand The Benefits of Colonisation by Adam Plover. It is an excellent read and is based on accounts from the Settlers, Missionaries and British Government Rerpesentatives who were there at the time and observed the way that the Tribes existed. It certainly puts paid to the myth that the Maori culture was a harmonious one whose people lived healthy, long lives free of any fear. This book should be compulsory reading for all School Students.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:46am
    - Paulus
      
      I thought that inter tribal Cannibalism was till rife at the time of the Treaty.
      
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      November 4, 2022 1:16pm
      - Allan
        
        It most certainly was and “The Benefits of Colonisation” relates many instances of this. Slaves were captured during inter tribal raids and then used as food on the hoof whilst the victorious tribe returned home. As history states certain Maori Chiefs approached the British telling them that they were sick and tired of the lawlessness and inter tribal conflicts and that they wanted the protection of British Law, and because of this the Treaty of Waitangi was drawn up and signed in 1840 and further ratified at the Kohimarama Conference in 1860.
        
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        November 4, 2022 3:25pm
- Hebe123
  
  The other thing is not all Maori are represented by an Iwi. Many are getting on with their lives as New Zealanders without ever giving it a thought.
  
  So your 83% is almost certainly an under estimate.
  
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  November 4, 2022 11:45am
Matt Long

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-how-russian-soldiers-cleansed-bucha/OEH2EAQVZVEKJKRT5FQKKWI6KI/
Seems like the Russian invaders acted more like Nazis than liberaters.
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November 4, 2022 8:07am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I totally agree Matt, horrific reading right down to the soldiers’ conversations with their families by phone. Hard to understand why anyone would down-tick your post for putting up what appears certain to be a factual account.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:39am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Brian – There are serial down tickers in this blog. Their only job is to down tick.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:51am
  - riffer
    
    I would put much stock in downticks. It’s just a way for people without the guts or brains to debate the issue registering that they don’t agree.
    
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    November 4, 2022 11:21am
    - Don Beckett
      
      No its not. Its simply the way people agree or disagree with what you are saying. Its still a free world – I think. 🙁
      
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      November 4, 2022 12:18pm
- NothingLeft
  
  In the history of the world it’s been rare to see any invading armies that didn’t wholesale rape, murder and steal their way through civilian populations. Western nations of the last 100-200 years are mostly remarkable for the standards of conduct they have created. The modern russian army are a completely unprofessional rabble of mostly unwanted/surplus dregs of their society – a way of culling their unproductive men.
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:13am
  - Lance
    
    The Russian regular soldiers are beyond cynical and don’t give a shit anymore. I don’t make excuses for that behaviour, quite the opposite but it is the situation.
    Their military assets have been widely looted by the kleptocracy, their tank gun sites sold for the precision optics, the copper wiring stripped, fuel looted and maintenance signed off as done but the money for the parts and labour are pocketed.
    Thats why soviet era hardware is turning up, the only hardware not looted.
    Note the main charge the opposition leaders are making (before being killed or jailed) is that Putin and his cabal are wholesale stealing Russia’s assets and ruining the economy.
    There are many solders complaining about this and why the Russians are performing so badly. Degraded gear, piss poor/no training and an extreme lack of logistical support.
    Thats why they are stealing washing machines etc, as they are not paid and moral has turned to shit.
    
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    November 4, 2022 12:39pm
- Raphael
  
  if you’ve ever read into the behaviour of the Russian soldiers when they took Berlin in WWII, it was not that much better than the Nazis. Any civilians were treated as fair game for whatever the Soviet soldiers wanted.
  
  We seem to excuse the victor’s behaviour if the enemy was particularly repugnant, or as in the case of Japan in WWII if everyone was horrified at the method used (nukes) to stop the war.
  
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  November 4, 2022 2:20pm
  - Raphael
    
    That last sentance was phrased badly because it makes it sound like the Japan was a victor….
    
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    November 4, 2022 2:21pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Have to smile really. After all the staged BS propaganda from the west that has been exposed already.
  Check out YouTube channel Redacted which shows wide angle video of rehearsed and staged stuff.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e0KVwd73k
  
  This comes along regurgitated by the Herald.
  Loved this quote
  Two minutes later, a pleading, gagged voice pierced the morning stillness. Then the merciless reply: “Talk! Talk, f—ing mother-f—er!”
  
  So you think Russians say mother f—er???
  
  So all the while that the media is talking about Russian warcrimes. There is NOTHING about Ukrainian soldiers bad stuff. Hint yep they are up to no good as well.
  
  When I get balanced reports from the media. I might. Just might start to take this stuff seriously.
  
  STOP READING MSM MEDIA. Its NOT TRUE.
  
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  November 4, 2022 6:50pm
kiwikidsnz

Chris Trotter’s on a roll this week

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/11/03/david-parker-rejects-co-governance/

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/11/04/0-800-stasi/
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November 4, 2022 8:08am
- Simon
  
  Chris Trotter who poured scorn on the unjaxxed. The vaccine was the test. If you were in British Empire in 1914 would have willingly gone to the slaughter of the trenches or supported the slaughter? The unjaxxed would not have gone.
  They passed the test.
  
  The vaccine was a lesson & test from history. Most failed. The vaccinated. their opinion doesnt really count anymore. They failed.
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:38am
- RockyJ
  
  Very interesting that David Parker appears to have stood up against cogovernance. Even more interesting is that the Labour caucus itself uses majority voting and is not a cogovernance model.
  
  Just think how hypocritical that is.
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:16am
  - Dougal10
    
    I don’t think parker has stood up over co governance , he is just keeping mention of it out of his environments bill. So when the labour apartheid rules get changed in the future his legacy legislation will live on untouched.
    
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    November 4, 2022 11:53am
Matt Long

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nasa-finds-more-than-50-super-emitters-of-methane-180981045/
Interesting they didn’t find massive plumes of methane over New Zealand farms.
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November 4, 2022 8:09am
- G152
  
  Dont worry. They’ll ‘find’ something and our dairy farms will cease to exist
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:23am
- cmm
  
  What is also interesting is how the badness of methane as a GHG seems to change all the time. This article uses the highest value I have ever seen: 80x as bad as CO2 for 20 years. The previous highest number I’ve seen was in the 30s.
  
  I have seen numbers from around 4 all the way up to, now, 80.
  
  I am highly skeptical of 80x or the 20 years.
  
  Methane is an extremely light gas with a molecular weight of 16 (C=12 + H4 = 4). That is much less than air (mainly N2 = 28 and O2 = 32) and around the same as water at 18 (H20: H2 = 2 + O = 16).
  As a result, methane will rapidly rise in the atmosphere (like water vapour does). We know water vapour rises rapidly because it condenses to form those white things called clouds.
  Methane does not condense and continues to rise into the ozone areas. Ozone is a strong oxidiser so I would think it would rapidly react with the methane breaking down into CO2 and water.
  
  That’s just basic high school chemistry.
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    Stop making too much sense or you’ll be receiving a knock on the door by the Govt’s thought Police.
    
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    November 4, 2022 8:41am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The essential point is that agricultural methane is merely recycling atmospheric carbon, not adding to it as fossil sourced methane does. Therefore it does not add to global warming.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:39am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, as I’ve said a few times before. Calves don’t drink diesel, cows don’t much coal.
      
      Except for small amounts of carbon coming from using lime and fertilisers etc, almost all carbon in grazing animals comes from the air – harvested by photosynthesis.
      
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      November 4, 2022 11:43am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yep, I told virtually the same thing to my Grandkids who passed it on to their teachers. One of their teachers told the oldest Grand Daughter that Grand Parents don’t know everything. Then to top it off, my Daughter told me to keep such ideas to myself.
        Ya can’t win eh?
        
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        November 4, 2022 12:07pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @Nickc2, the morons think that facts are ideas and vice versa. And they teach our kids. Tell your grandchildren the world is full of idiots who can’t think. They need to learn that early.
        
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        November 4, 2022 3:12pm
  - riffer
    
    Not quite.
    
    Unlike carbon dioxide, which is relatively stable and by definition has a GWP value of one, methane is a live-fast, die-young greenhouse gas.
    
    Methane traps very large quantities of heat in the first decade after it is released in to the atmosphere, but quickly breaks down.
    
    After a decade, most emitted methane has reacted with ozone to form carbon dioxide and water. This carbon dioxide continues to heat the climate for hundreds or even thousands of years.
    
    Emitting methane will always be worse than emitting the same quantity of carbon dioxide, no matter the time scale.
    
    How much worse depends on the time period used to average out its effects. The most commonly used averaging period is 100 years, but this is not the only choice, and it is not wrong to choose another.
    
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    November 4, 2022 12:37pm
    - riffer
      
      Thanks for the downticks folks.
      
      Always nice to get some support from the anti-science brigade.
      
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      November 4, 2022 12:59pm
      - leoj
        
        You deserve them.
        The fart tax and herd/farm destruction will reduce the temperature by 0.0004% by the year 2100.
        If you want to stop buying meat, vegetable and milk products, knock yourself out.
        It would be the perfect protest.
        
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        November 4, 2022 3:39pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Except the carbon dioxide is turned into grass that the cows eat. So the total amount of methane and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere remains constant, not increasing and therefore not causing global warming.
      
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      November 4, 2022 3:16pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      What are you talking about? Seriously?
      “this is not the only choice, and it is not wrong to choose another.”
      The multiplier used is fundamentally important to every costing system being looked at. The higher the multiplier, the more pain farmers will be put through. The most common multiplier being used is 20 years because that’s the burnout period before it turns into CO2 (and therefore forces the highest cost on farmers). This is massively dishonest because there is constantly Methane leaving the atmosphere.
      
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      November 4, 2022 3:53pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @ Matt Long-
  Nobody likes farmers.
  They are a small group easy to marginalise, scapegoat and blame.
  The Labour Party knows this and takes full advantage of well managed societal delusions about livestock production.
  And so does the National Party when it suits them.
  There is huge acreage here devoted to grape growing for wine making. A family member is a vineyard manager.
  If the average urban anti-livestock campaigner had any idea of the amount of water, chemicals and machinery used to grow the grapes that make their wine – they might get a real surprise.
  Added to which, the majority of land used for this purpose is foreign owned by large multi national companies – which take the profits.
  But:
  Milk bad. Alcohol good.
  Cows and sheep – polluters.
  Wine and beer – great.
  Livestock farmers – environmental vandals.
  Wine growers- held in high esteem.
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:27am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    “well-managed societal delusions.” Yours is a post of poorly managed delusions. Farmers are appreciated in New Zealand, few people would not have relatives that were farmers somewhere along the line. It’s a myth maker like yourself that promote divisions, do something useful instead.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:33am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Farmers are appreciated in New Zealand”
      
      https://www.greens.org.nz/agriculture_and_rural_affairs_policy
      
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      November 4, 2022 9:46am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @ Brian McDonald-
      Nice one.
      Blame and shame – the “go to” reaction for the authoritarians amongst us.
      
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      November 4, 2022 9:52am
    - Matt Long
      
      Farmers are appreciated by many in New Zealand but if you bother reading some of the comments by regressives on various forums you’ll find farmers are also hated, as they have been since Marx first wrote Das Capital.
      
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      November 4, 2022 10:10am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      The protestors (all 7 or 8 of them) in Midland Park today definitely dont appreciate NZ Farmers.. Half the Herd being a key poster/placard.
      
      Greens by the look and loopy as a loopy thing was the way they presented…
      
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      November 4, 2022 8:19pm
  - kowtow
    
    Even though Ardern’s profound business acumen and appreciation of the private sector was gained in the food industry , selling the primary produce of farmers and fishermen and though she has created a caring public image of herself as being “inclusive” with that three word phrase ……..
    
    ……we must always remember that in classical Marxism, farmers are owners of private property and rural folk in particular are “lumpenproletariat”.
    
    There is a deep disdain and indeed antipathy towards them .
    
    Classical marxism is all about the urban proletariat , they are the pure ones whose revolution will create the end of history ushering in the worker’s paradise.
    
    This is the ideaological background of Trotskyites like Ardern , it is deeply seated in her psyche .
    
    In Labour history in NZ in particular there has always been and urban / rural divide ( dockers strike)
    This divide continues today .
    
    The Left needs an “outgroup” to blame and hate so their urban base has something to focus their emotions on , envy , hate and blame for their oppression , disenfranchisement , poverty , whatever.
    
    Now that classical marxism has given way in its most obvious class struggle form to Greenism , we still have that outgroup of “rich” , white , property owners who are destroying the pristine Earth , drowning Pacific Islanders and flooding their neighbours etc .
    
    Farmers are but one such group ,there are many others .
    
    In this picture Leftists and econutters all fail to see their own hypocrisy . Cities are possibly the most unenvironmental places in the world . Dirty, polluting, crime, drug ridden .So crowded that whenever it rains human shit ends up in the rivers and on the beaches ……oh blame the number of cows .
    
    That post about the methane plumes says landfills account for a lot of methane emissions , well again city living will do that ,innit .
    
    And yes thicko inner city dwelling anti capitalist types need to engage brain the next time they sup or imbibe any primary produced items and raise a toast to the hardworking rural people who make city living possible.
    
    There’s a reason the NZ coat of arms highlights the importance of agriculture , mining and trade .
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:32am
- Taieri
  
  Methane is much much more dangerous than CO2. Or so they tell us:
  
  “(…)Scientists normally compare the warming effects of methane and carbon dioxide over one century, and over that timescale methane is 28 times worse. Over 20 years, however, methane is 80 times worse, according to recent research(…)”
  
  And natural gas is “actually worse than coal for the climate”.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/why-methane-emissions-are-threatening-climate-stability
  
  And Covid-19 is (was?) going to kill us all. Apart from pigs…they are flying…
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:29am
  - Matt Long
    
    I guess if we take the effects of methane over 24 hours we can make it look even worse.
    Regressive propagandists are careful to only mention what gives them a mandate to pursue their agenda.
    So for pastoral farming versus frankenfoods you will never hear about soil carbon, nor hydroxyl ions, nor GWPx, nor carbon leakage.
    The messaging is only Farming is Responsible for Half of NZ’s GGE and the only way to save the planet is communism. And for the shallow people who trust our “sole Source of Truth” that’s all they need to hear.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:24am
    - Taieri
      
      the only way to save the planet is communism
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      It’s not really even communism in the original sense of this word. Communism, at least in theory, placed Man in the central place and, again at least in theory, aspired to material and intellectual improvement for workers and peasants. What we have today instead is misantrophy and impoverishment for all but a few “chosen ones”.
      
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      November 4, 2022 11:08am
- nathie
  
  Check out this article written by a NZ farmer.
  
  https://spectator.com.au/2022/11/climate-injustice-a-personal-account-from-a-kiwi-farmer/
  
  This “tax and cull methane emitting dairy cows” nonsense has to stop!
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That was a good read.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NASA probably doesn’t even know where New Zealand is.
  Insignificant, so the fruitloops can STFU about cow farts.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:09am
  - Lance
    
    NASA is very aware of NZ.
    They work closely with Rocket Lab and other space companies in NZ (there are actually quite a few) and sent a 747 here with a big-ass telescope inside that operated here for many months.
    
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    November 4, 2022 12:47pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It was one of those // things
      
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      November 4, 2022 5:25pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Yeah nah. The head of the Nasa Jet Propulsion Research Lab during the USA space program was born a Kiwi…
    
    We had tracking stations here during the cold war for military purposes but NASA would have seen some of the data no doubt for space missions, particularly the ones NASA doesn’t talk about openly involving the US military
    
    They know where we are.
    
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    November 4, 2022 8:17pm
Paulus

Ardern was in Tauranga yesterday – very quietly, as she gave away a large portion of land close to the waterfront, but with direct access, where the new Civic Centre is to be built – this land will include a large Museum which will be principally devoted to Maori.
And Ratepayers will pay for it all.
After all we do not have Councillors but Mahuta appointed Commissioners – so work it out for yourself.
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November 4, 2022 8:16am
- cmm
  
  In Africa…. aaah fuck it!
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:28am
- Ehlana
  
  The Commissioners shouldn’t be undertaking new projects at all. Surely their job is simply to get the Council, as quickly as possible, to a point where elections can be held. Decisions like new museums or disposal of land should be in abeyance until democratic governance is restored.
  
  Why exactly does Tauranga have Commissioners anyway?
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    “Why exactly does Tauranga have Commissioners anyway?”
    The last council were “ineffective”.
    Translation: they were not doing what Mahuta said.
    
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    November 4, 2022 8:42am
    - Nickc2
      
      There will be a lot of Commissioners appointed as Mahuta realises Councils won’t support her Maori ownership of water and associated assets aspirations.
      
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      November 4, 2022 8:50am
      - JJ56
        
        Christchurch will be next with their opposition to intensification.
        
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        November 4, 2022 9:41am
      - kowtow
        
        “Ownership” a euphemism for confiscation.
        
        For that is what is intended. Legislated theft.
        
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        November 4, 2022 12:47pm
      - riffer
        
        The irony of Kowtow calling it legalised theft. Go read some history bud.
        
        [Mod – corrected the users name, show some respect and use their name correctly]
        
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        November 4, 2022 1:01pm
      - Paulus
        
        Auckland Council appointed Commissioners first now !
        
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        November 4, 2022 1:21pm
    - Ehlana
      
      So this is the “more sophisticated democratic” response to that is it?
      
      As opposed to elections, which allow the locals to kick them out and choose a fresh lot.
      
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      November 4, 2022 8:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is called ‘Tyranny’
        
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        November 4, 2022 9:23am
      - Taieri
        
        It is called ‘Tyranny’
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        What do you expect when you elect a despot? Benevolence?
        
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        November 4, 2022 10:00am
- Simon
  
  Ardern’s MO is to hand out money to a particular area / people and then pay a visit to said area and bask in the reflected glory.
  
  Ardern announced $300 million upgrade to the chicken shit “research” facility in Antarctica before flying down.
  
  Ardern cant travel anywhere without first paying off the place or people she is going to visit.
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:29am
  - Roberta
    
    And that money doesn’t get spent on said project, but redirected into her coffers of favourite projects and friends. Like the Covid money going to co-governance. And what else that we don’t know about?
    Hey journalists, there is something to research…
    
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    November 4, 2022 7:25pm
Simon

NZ GDP $360 billion

Business / Farm debt $200 billion
House loan debt $350 billion
Consumer debt $20 billion

Rising interest rates not only increased debt burden but changes people’s behavior, decision making, confidence.

NZ’s chicken shit economy built around increasing levels of debt its pretty much over.

Its private debt which also carried the shit weight of the state. Those boosted clowns in Wellington. Carried by private sector debt. Thats over now.
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November 4, 2022 8:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Remember when we were told the violent Parliament protesters were right-wing anti-vaxxers, possibly white supremacists or neo-Nazis?

Well it seems the chap who has just pleaded guilty to throwing concrete pavers at the police is none of these.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130362166/taranaki-man-threw-concrete-pavers-at-police-as-officers-ended-parliament-protest

https://p-upload.facebook.com/TeKotahitangaOTeAtiawa/posts/1727083410819752

Perhaps it is time for our media to stop disseminating disinformation and start telling the truth about who the violent disrupters were at Parliament.
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November 4, 2022 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I seem to have buggered up the facebook link…. it says:
  Congratulations to Bau Ritai (Ngāti Mutunga, Te Atiawa, Taranaki, Ngāruahine) who was the winner of a brand new iPhone! Bau got his Covid-19 vaccination in a targeted Waitara clinic recently and emailed his vaccination card to us to go into the draw.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:01am
  - Hebe123
    
    Oh so the guy who took a bribe to get vaccinated and seems super happy about it was at parliament protesting vaccine mandates…?
    
    Odd.
    
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    November 4, 2022 11:57am
- Ruahine
  
  You do great work Maggy.
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:04am
- Paulus
  
  The media only interview what suits them on their keyboards and what they are told to do – see the disgusting Herald regularly as an example.
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:23pm
Tomtoddy

It seems COP27 – about to take place in Egypt – will kill off RCP8.5 and RCP 6.0, the two absurd scenarios that the UN and IPCC have been promoting for the last decade or so. A smidgeon of realism among the extremist elites.

RCP8.5 was so crazy it relied on coal use increasing 5 times and no mitigation measures by any country.

Yet it is being used by our Government and by Local Government as a plausible scenario when making regulations. Issues like coastal management are determined against the RCP8.5 option. Will these extreme regulations now be changed? Unlikely. Who needs facts and realism when you can have the population kept on a tight leash with fear and extremism.
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November 4, 2022 8:36am
- JJ56
  
  The NZ Coastal Policy Statement that lays out how to do the assessment of coastal hazards under the RMA requires the assessments to take into account of advice on the *likely* effects of climate change.
  
  The nonsense that MfE is promoting by chasing imaginary risks, at rate payers’ expense, won’t last long in court
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:49am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The important point is that both of those scenarios, particularly RCP 8.5 were inputs into Climate Change models, so GIGO.
  
  I recall writing here on KB pre-2010 about the absurd fossil fuel consumption numbers and resulting CO2 emission numbers that were being fed into the models, as just one set of the assumptions that had big caveats around their certainties.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:50am
- kowtow
  
  Funny cos unless things have changed hugely in Egypt the Sinai is a really dangerous place due to extremism .
  
  Odd these folk having a conference in a military dictatorship , having to be protected from extremists while discussing extreme measures against the political and economic stability of the west .
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Ardern going to Egypt or is that a secret too ?
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:24pm
ClanMcleod

I posted yesterday about the insincere call for a covid “amnesty” for those who attacked, smeared, vilified, abused and segregated anyone who failed to support the government covid narrative and associated abuse of human rights.

Emily Oster proposes “a pandemic amnesty,” suggests that “we need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID”

The article I referenced clearly stated why this call was insincere and little more than gaslighting.

Surfing responded that I should move on, that I had “really been proven quite wrong” that “The vaccine did become less effective over time, as did the severity of covid.”

That:
“The first lockdown was arguably justified, the subsequent lockdowns were due to government incompetence.”

I responded in the early hours this morning. I’d like to repeat it here. I am astonished at the nonsense written by Surfing.

What was I wrong about?
No, no lockdown was ever justified.
The vaccine passes and mandates were as unjustified as they were immoral.
The “vaccine” had extremely limited efficacy before it eventually becomes negative efficacy.
It injures and kills people.
That’s some list of incompetence.
How about this. An immediate halt to the vaccination program. All who lost their job via mandates to be reinstated with compensation for lost income plus damages. A genuine apology for the horrendous damage done to families and friendships. A genuine apology for the businesses destroyed.
Do that and I’ll happily move on.

This is an important issue. I know many people are over it. I understand the desire to “forget about it” and “move on”. I am simply trying to get those people to understand the enormity of what we witnessed over the last (almost) three years.

This post is very good in clearly explaining why moving on cannot happen until there has been admission of culpability and a conviction that such draconian measures will never happen again.

In one epic Twitter thread, Claremont Institute Senior Fellow Matthew J. Peterson (@docMJP) excoriates Oster’s entire premise;

Hey—sorry you lost your job b/c of the vax that doesn’t work and your grandmother died alone and you couldn’t have a funeral and your brother’s business was needlessly destroyed and your kids have weird heart problems—but let’s just admit we were all wrong and call a truce, eh?

It’s too bad we shut the entire economy down & took on tyrannical powers that have never been used before in this country—looking back, you should have been able to go to church and use public parks while we let people riot in the streets—but it was a confusing time for everyone.

Hey I’m sorry we scared the hell out of you & lied for years & persecuted & censored anyone who disagreed but there was an election going on & we really wanted to beat Donald Trump so it was important to radically politicize the science even if it destroyed your children’s lives.

OK, yes we said unvaccinated people should die & not get healthcare while never questioning Big Pharma once but we are compassionate people which is why even though we shut down the entire economy we also bankrupted the nation & caused inflation. You’re welcome! Let’s be friends.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-murderous-hypocrites-outrage-ensues-after-atlantic-suggests-amnesty-pandemic

The problem was not people’s ignorance of the facts, it was the organized antagonism and censorship against anyone presenting data that was contradictory to the mandate agenda. This is setting aside proclamations like those from the LA Times, which argued that mocking the deaths of “anti-vaxxers” might be necessary and justified. After two years of this type of arrogant nonsense it’s hard to imagine people will be willing to pretend as if all is well.

We’ll move on. When there has been a clear admission of failure and abuse of power and appropriate action taken.
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November 4, 2022 8:37am
- Taieri
  
  “The first lockdown was arguably justified…”
  ———
  
  And what did it achieve?
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:57am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Several months in which New Zealanders were free to carry on normal, unmasked, undistanced lives while the rest of the world couldn’t.
    
    That’s time that the Government could have used to beef up hospital capacity, and get on with obtaining and distributing vaccines in preparation for the inevitability that covid would get here eventually.
    
    That they didn’t do any of that is their failure, one which they should not be allowed to put behind them.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:33am
    - Taieri
      
      Several months in which New Zealanders were free to carry on normal, unmasked, undistanced lives while the rest of the world couldn’t.
      ————
      
      At what cost?
      
      A great summary of anti-Covid measures can be found in recently published book:
      
      https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61871348-gone-viral
      
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      November 4, 2022 11:10am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      And in fairness all governments (China possibly excepted) were dealing initially with both unknowns and false information. I’m also inclined to give ours a pass on the first lockdown but none of their other actions. But there must be a Commission of Inquiry to review the whole disaster.
      
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      November 4, 2022 12:33pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Your point is valid, but any genuine cost/benefit analysis will still show that lockdowns don’t work and do more harm than good.
      We also know now, without doubt, that the vaccines do not work and that natural immunity is much better. We should have done what was recommended by Simon Thornley and co at Covid Plan B here in NZ and The Great Barrington Declaration. Protect the vulnerable, THEY stay at home and avoid infection. THEY get focused protection. The rest of society gets on with it. For decades this was recognised as the correct way to deal with any emerging pandemic. That is the “pandemic preparedness plan” that Ardern dumped the instant covid arrived.
      Either incompetence or planned. I believe the latter but I could be wrong. Hopefully the truth will come out eventually. Either way, she should be criminally charged.
      
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      November 5, 2022 7:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    To Jaspinda it achieved her realising that she had the power to control NZ.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:41am
- cmm
  
  The abuse from the media and social media figures is one thing, but there are far greate consequences.
  
  How the hell are people supposed to trust their GPs in the future? Most GPs just went along with it one way or another (either voluntarily or through submitting to threats).
  
  Why should people believe the medical establishment about real, serious issues? Many will see it this way: the doctors lied about covid, so why should I believe them about anything else? Getting MMR jabs for my kid? smoking? obesity? STDs?
  
  Baker and the Pink Rincess have cried so much wolf that few listen to what they have to say any more. Maybe the next thing they talk about really is serious…. and everyone will just ignore them.
  
  Credibility takes a long time to build. It can be dashed in a second.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:03am
  - Sacha
    
    I’ve said it before: trust is like virginity – it can only be lost once.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:05am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @cmm-
    “Credibility takes a long time to build. It can be dashed in a second.”
    I think that way about Chris “Get boosted” Bishop.
    It has coloured my opinion of him as someone who promoted his views to people for reasons not entirely due to scientific proof and principles………
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:35am
    - cmm
      
      Get Boosted / Light Up Bishop has low credibility anyway.
      
      His history as a shill for the tobacco industry makes him vulnerable to political attack.
      
      No matter how hard he works and how much good he does, he can never really take a front role as he will be knocked over by his history.
      
      Moral of the story: If you’re going to sell your credibility, then get a good price for it.
      
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      November 4, 2022 10:41am
    - Paulus
      
      Eh -please explain again as gibberish.
      
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      November 4, 2022 1:26pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Ever asked your GP what s/he thinks of the Health Department?
    
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    November 4, 2022 12:27pm
  - Matt Long
    
    CMM, how will people trust their GP in the future? I think Covid has a benefit as it has shown us which of those we formerly trusted blindly is worthy of our trust.
    We know who are the hacks, who thinks things through and weighs the evidence, and who had the integrity to stand up for what they believe to be true, at considerable business and personal cost. It’s pretty clear who we should reward with our trust and resources.
    
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    November 4, 2022 1:04pm
    - cmm
      
      100% agree. It serves as a useful filter.
      
      Those that question are the best, but they don’t fit in the system very well.
      
      But most GPs just do what the manual tells them to do regardless of what it says. The system generally works because there are literally thousands of conditions and no person can really be a full expert on everything.
      
      All patients should understand their conditions well – so well that they understand enough to ask interesting questions and understand when the GP might be out of their depth.
      
      For example I get Afib. Apparently around 2% of the population around my age get Afib. I am astounded how few medical people know that pulse-oxymeters don’t work for people with Afib.
      
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      November 4, 2022 2:01pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Thanks,good information, explains some of Dad’s pulse oximeter readings.
        
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        November 4, 2022 3:53pm
- Debsta
  
  Hear hear CM, I couldn’t agree more! The level of acceptance for what was done and braindead willingness to move on as though nothing happened just astounds me. At the very least it tells me it could all so easily be repeated, and people will respond like useful idiots once again. WTF.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:07am
- Littletramp
  
  Thomas Sowell again – “People will forgive you for being wrong, but they will never forgive you for being right—especially if events prove you right while proving them wrong.”
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:24am
- Tom Hunter
  
  NO! I want justice, apologies – and a measure of revenge
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:58am
- Hebe123
  
  With you 100% Clan.
  They destroyed careers, marriages and health of myself and my family. I will never forget.
  
  I would hate to be JA. I doubt she will ever be able to walk down the street in NZ without people showing their disgust. And she deserves everything she gets.
  
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  November 4, 2022 12:07pm
I remember when

Nigeria is facing its worst flooding in a decade: Smithsonian Magazine.
Intense rainfall has been a huge conributor to the disaster, and in September, a dam in Cameroon, which borders Nigeria to the east, released excess water.
Nigeria does not have a dam to contain the overflow, even though the two countries agreed in the 1980s that one should be built.
The floods are Nigeria’s worst since 2012, when a similar number of people were dispaced, and roughly 500 died (this year 603).
Population: 2022- 218,045,721
2012- 170,075,932
So 641 deaths would have been the equivalent.
Flooding is a recurring problem in most parts of Nigeria, and in cities, rapid urban growth and poor planning make the issue worse.
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November 4, 2022 8:40am
- cmm
  
  The areas around Durban, South Africa, also had huge flooding with deaths in the last two or 3 years.
  
  The major cause of problems really come down to three things:
  * Informal settlements: As more and more people move to be closer to cities, they set up shacks in unoccupied land. Much of this land was unoccupied because it is in flood zones (river beds etc), so nobody built there. When informal shacks get built there they get washed away (and of course the sketchy construction makes them even more prone to damage anyway).
  * Inadequate drainage/storm water systems and maintenance thereof.
  * Litter in the streets choking up the drainage system so water flows through the streets.
  
  Sure, there are weather events and flooding everywhere, but these extra factors add a further dimension to the problems in African cities.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:11am
  - alloytoo
    
    Durban gets nailed about once a decade by “Cut-Off lows”
    
    This is a well understood phenomena, was part of the geography syllabus in the 80’s and it dumps a week or two of heavy rain on KZN.
    
    Nobody ever seems to consider that it might happen again and when it did recently it was attributed to “Climate Change”
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:51am
CAKE FACE1

I watch the supposed financial commentators in NZ with a mixture of incredulity and horror.

Most of the so-call financial “experts” on the telly are not up to much. How can they possibly be employed for their roles, when they obviously know so little? Their paucity of economic and financial acumen is simply staggering.

A soft landing is such a long shot, it should almost be dismissed out of hand. Yet these commentators typically babble this childish fairy tale, which invariably ends with everyone living happy ever after. A soft landing is the consensus clown show view.

These commentators appear to believe that inflation will fall sharply from now. Do these “experts” not monitor the movements in the New Zealand dollar?

I put my money where my mouth is. I transferred money into USD in January this year. The NZD moved since from about 67 cents to 56 cents, or down circa 16% against the greenback. From peak, it is down even more. Even against the Oz dollar, the NZD is tanking.

Do these fake economists not understand what happens to the price of imports when the exchange rate falls? To say this is ECON 101 level would be generous.

Secondly, do these economists not see the wage rises happening at the moment?

There is clearly a wage-price spiral building up a head of steam, which is as obvious as the nose on my face.

Stagflation (low economic growth and high inflation) is already baked into the cake, so to speak. As the 1970s show, once entrenched, stagflation is very hard to shift. Kommissar Wood with his insane central plan to personally set “fair” wages will light a rocket under inflation.

In terms of raising economic growth, monetary policy is out of bullets. The Reserve Bank has already lost $8 billion money printing in very stupid fashion. The proceeds were hoovered up by the Oz banks, without so much as a thank you. Our central bank is now tapped out. In any case, any further monetary interventions would simply fuel further inflation.

Robbo could try to increase government spending, to increase economic growth. However, he has already pissed up the wall an eye watering $50 billion extra since he took office, with nothing to show for it. He is also tapped out, and even if he does strip down and dive in once again into the borrowed money well – this will only add petrol to the inflation inferno. Speaking of petrol, even postponing the fuel duty cut yet again will only offer a temporary respite.

Only the sustained and brutal chemotherapy of much higher interest rates could eventually cure this sad puppy, but to believe that hiking interest rates won’t knock over a punch-drunk public is too much to hope for, in my view.

Soft landing, my fat bottom.

Here’s a ditty, to celebrate the silver lining in all of this:

Two thousand and twenty-three,
Bye-bye, Cindy.

Ps. The “experts” have created a furore over the prospect of Nationals’ $3 billion tax cut, which supposedly is of such a magnitude as to imperil the entire financial system. It is also returning the money to the “rich”. This is because it is the “rich” that paid the money in the first place. This is somehow also outrageous.

Meanwhile, Robbo has increased government spending by over $50 billion a year. These same “experts” have nothing to say on this subject.

You cannot give the socialists an inch. They will take the South Island. Then they’ll steal the North Island. Then they’ll expropriate the rest.
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November 4, 2022 8:51am
- surfing
  
  I think next year will economically horrendous! Inflation is going to exceed the ‘experts’ predictions.
  
  This is called the chickens coming home to roost.
  
  It wasn’t ‘that’ long ago that a millionaire was considered rich. These days, millionaires don’t even fly business class. 10 million is the new millionaire.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    “Experts” , wot the same experts who said it was transitory .
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:50am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Lots of “experts” falling off their perches these days…….
    
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    November 5, 2022 7:56am
Taieri

It seems not all Australians love Dr Ardern:

https://spectator.com.au/2022/11/jacinda-just-go/
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November 4, 2022 8:55am
- surfing
  
  I don’t think Australians ever loved Ardern… they see her for who she really is. More so than the rest of the world. There have been many critical stories about Ardern in the Aussie press. Generally along the lines she talks nonsense and doesn’t accept questioning.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:18am
  - Ghost
    
    The love for Ardern globally is mainly a PR stunt.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:22am
  - pdm
    
    We have been in Surfers since Monday and I have seen a number of TV channels give her a good serve. My impression is that she is despised in Australia.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:36am
    - cmm
      
      Bugger. Maybe we can’t fob her off on Team Of 8 billion then.
      
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      November 4, 2022 9:45am
    - alloytoo
      
      She’s despised in much of NZ too.
      
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      November 4, 2022 10:53am
  - Taieri
    
    Yes, they did! Until last year I was working in Australia and most of my colleagues there were enamoured by her.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:04am
    - Matt Long
      
      I would say to them, I wish she was your prime minister too.
      
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      November 4, 2022 3:54pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    I remember that well how the Aussies loved the Princess Cindy saving NZ during 2020and them begging for Cindy to be their PM. I almost buy Cindy a one-way ticket myself to help her.
    
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    November 4, 2022 1:32pm
- Yabster
  
  #ResignJacinda – problem is the damage is already done- National/ACT have a huge job trying to fix this complete mess – and they will have to make some tough decisions- which the socialist/iwi/unions will kick up a huge fuss.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:40am
  - cmm
    
    There is always a lag between the damage occuring and the results showing up in ways the average punter recognises.
    
    If Cindy was to resign today and run a snap election (aka hospital pass) to hand over to National, it would still be a year before the deepest problems bite and at least 2 years to turn it all around.
    
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    November 4, 2022 3:32pm
ClanMcleod

U.S. Covid Response Taken Over By National Security Council in March 2020 to Impose Pre-Prepared Lockdown Plan, Evidence Shows

An astonishing Government document dated March 13th 2020 entitled: “PanCAP Adapted U.S. Government COVID-19 Response Plan” (PanCAP-A) reveals that United States policy in response to SARS-CoV-2 was set not by the public health agencies designated in pandemic preparedness protocols (Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness Act, PPD-44, BIA), but rather by the National Security Council.

I believe that the national security authorities took control of the Covid pandemic response not just in the U.S. but in many of our allied countries (the U.K., Australia, Germany, Israel and others) because they knew SARS-CoV-2 was an engineered virus that leaked from a lab researching potential bioweapons.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/03/u-s-covid-response-taken-over-by-national-security-council-in-march-2020-to-impose-pre-prepared-lockdown-plan-evidence-shows/
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November 4, 2022 8:55am
- Tom Hunter
  
  People should not be surprised at that news (although they will be) since the whole concept of Lockdown was crafted up by the bloody Bush Administration as part of the effort to try and imagine what future terrorist attacks might look like. Biowarfare was an obvious one and the question was how to deal with it. Lockdows were one answer and emerged from a think tank with no epidemiological input.
  
  How stupid was the concept? So stupid that a guy called Donald Henderson pulled together a group to research and write a paper in opposition. Who was he?
  
  …. a US epidemiologist who had capped his career by training for two years at the Epidemic Intelligence Service of the Communicable Disease Center, before moving to Geneva to head the WHO’s smallpox division. In short, he was one of the world’s leading experts in this area. Together with co-authors Thomas V.Inglesby, epidemiologist Jennifer B. Nuzzo, and physician Tara O’Toole he produced a paper: Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza.
  
  Ultimately they lost the fight inside the Bush Administration. You can read the details at this link, Lockdowns: a nightmare of imagination
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:09am
I remember when

Dansey said, “She didn’t remember taking down any signs herself.”
Although National’s misuse of Katy Perry’s song is obviously a far greater sin.
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November 4, 2022 8:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’ll be a great Labour MP…
  already practising her deny, deflect, delay lines.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Dansey’s Pass.
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wonder where she learnt that?
    
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    November 4, 2022 9:52am
- OlderChas
  
  Translation of “I don’t remember doing it…” when spoken by a politician. Means “I did it but I’m sure as hell not admitting it, but won’t say I didn’t in case someone comes up with proof that I did it.”
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:03am
- Paulus
  
  Unintentional use and when told took it down immediately.
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:30pm
nathie

More evidence emerging that Labour’s decision to put people with mental health and addiction issues in the heart of Rotorua, without any serious oversight, is having a deeply concerning negative impact …. on school children.

Yes school children are now being challenged to fights and worse.

Schools are spending their education budgets to increase security.

This is a disgrace but yet Labour are doing nothing to fix these problems. The left-wing media personalities are turning a blind eye!

What other schools that are affected have yet to emerge to tell their stories?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/rotorua-seventh-day-adventist-school-students-fearful-after-incidents-with-homeless-hearing-told/ARGBT2EJW6LL7PF33YPVV5IBEM/
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November 4, 2022 9:06am
I remember when

The World of Disinformation/Misinformation:
Yet another of those arguments where the mention of either word removes the need for any further proof or facts.
They have used misinformation/disinformation is all you need to say. They are not to be believed and can not be trusted.
Do we need a change of government , just to end the tiresome use of this meaningless phrase.
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November 4, 2022 9:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I remember when – that is an excellent description of the problem of the wrong use of the terms mis and disinformation. It is used as a “get out of jail free” card by liars and fraudsters. They NEVER qualify with evidence.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:02am
Maggie Pie

I don’t know if it only applies to Auckland but I see our Dual-Energy power bill is going up by 11% this month.
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November 4, 2022 9:19am
- Taieri
  
  Very similar increase down south Electricity only though as I haven’t got gas.
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:05am
- Tom Hunter
  
  It’s okay Maggie, given that the wealthy spend only a small proportion of their income on energy (typically 1% or a little above), you won’t have to worry when more wind farms get built here and power prices quadruple.
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You may think it’s only 1% Tom, but do you have any idea what it takes to keep a 120,ooo liter pool at 27C all year round?
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:55am
    - Ghost
      
      A long extension cord into the neighbours property?
      
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      November 4, 2022 11:04am
    - cas
      
      Lots of sun?
      
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      November 4, 2022 12:52pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      If you’re wealthy enough you shouldn’t care. I certainly don’t. 🙂
      
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      November 4, 2022 1:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Then there is Watercare. 120K is 120 cubic meters. 900 liters cost me $138.
      Sooner or later that pool water will need to be replaced. After a time chemicals stink.
      27C is a bit low, but yes, it is not a spar running at 40C
      
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      November 4, 2022 4:50pm
CAKE FACE1

A question I saw on twitter, which I found interesting:

“Did you ever believe the covid narrative? Even for a week?”

I’d forgotten about the propaganda showing Chinese people suddenly dropping dead on the streets! Happy days!
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November 4, 2022 9:20am
- mandk
  
  But they did drop dead in the streets.
  
  It was when they despaired, having been locked down in their apartments with no access to food.
  
  Some of the poor souls threw themselves from their windows.
  
  Hitting the ground from a height is really bad for a person’s health.
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:00am
blue collar

Ive got cold beer n a weekend of World Cup sport coming up , hopefully get a bit of sun on the skin n convert from the marble David to the bronzed Adonis ……. Hv to dig the budgie smugglers out ….. clean the barbie …. De cobweb the esky …….. roll on summer !

Ps . By marble David I’m Purely meaning the colour …. That baby bird in the nest is obviously a toucan in my case …. Nah seriously … I wouldn’t lie …. As I used to say to me mates , I’m
Hung like an Arab stallion n go like a knitting machine…. Just don’t ask me missus 😁
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November 4, 2022 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The downticks must mean they:
  1. Don’t know what budgie smugglers are.
  2. Don’t have budgie smugglers.
  3. Don’t have the package to fill budgie smugglers.
  
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  November 4, 2022 4:55pm
Maggie Pie

Everything else aside, you’d have to be a total psycho to eat chicken-nuggets like this…..

https://twitter.com/johnrobertgage/status/1588204955613044736
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November 4, 2022 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Total psycho is correct for her.
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is your neighbour a terrorist?

The Disinformation Project tells us how to tell..

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b244b2345f2aae7ea4385ed3c7cb18aeeb722006d123cc95a172b0512604a09.jpg
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November 4, 2022 9:43am
- Maggie Pie
  
  OMG! 😀 😀 😀
  
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  November 4, 2022 9:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  NZ’s very own Ministry of Truth and Thought Police. Exciting isn’t it?!
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:05am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I looked at this picture and thought it must be a piss-take, then I listened to Sean Plunket, who talked about Kate Hannah and how we need to watch out for people with braided hair or might have (God forbid) political opinions, and now I’m really not so sure.
  Maybe that’s just how the anti-free speech people want it.
  The people pushing this garbage are a danger to us all.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:23am
cmm

Worried about negative equity?
Naah, why be worried: Cindy and Robbo have got this!

“Loan Market mortgage broker Paulette Trotter said property prices would recover like they did following the Global Financial Crisis.”

Hello! Perhaps you were still in kindy during the GFC, but it was negative equity that triggered the GFC!

THe problem is not the small % of people directly impacted by negative equity, but the large fall out this causes and the larger problem that is triggered.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/negative-equity-and-rising-mortgage-rates-should-we-be-worried/PPH6TGBNXVFJNCU7ST74QT2VFM/
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November 4, 2022 10:00am
- Colville
  
  Post GFC there were over 100,000 vacant sections in New Zealand and a very tight credit market due to overseas bank crash and banks withdrawing credit lines.
  
  That is what drove prices down, section owners (developers or builders) who had debt had to build on the sections to sell them to fund credit. They were pushing product into a market that was flooded so were price takers.
  
  The OCR was around 8%? then.
  
  I was there and it wasnt pretty!
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:38am
  - Paulus
    
    In the 1980s my Mortgage payments rate was 21%
    and Bank limited to $15,000.
    You then went to the Solicitors 2nd market for the balance and that was horrifying too.
    
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    November 4, 2022 1:34pm
    - Colville
      
      And you had the benefit massive capital growth to repay that cost.
      Not post GFC or now.
      
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      November 4, 2022 9:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda and Robberson are not exactly the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
  
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  November 4, 2022 4:58pm
Ghost

But what he did it looks like we will never know

Taupō man Graham Philip pleads guilty, becomes first person ever to be convicted of sabotage

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/taupo-man-graham-philip-pleads-guilty-becomes-first-person-ever-to-be-convicted-of-sabotage/HYMMD6V4YF3LB4A2V64T5WXIDM/
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November 4, 2022 10:01am
- kevn
  
  [Mod – I think just for the protection of this blog we will not guess what he may of done, thanks]
  
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  December 4, 2021 10:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-want-voice-on-space-policy/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Maori-want-voice-on-space-policy-1.pdf
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November 4, 2022 10:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

The President of the Labour Party is standing down this weekend.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/478030/labour-s-party-faithful-to-gather-for-annual-conference-as-pressure-mounts-for-government

Seems a very sensible decision.
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November 4, 2022 10:05am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Only been there a year.
  
  She has either realised they are dead ducks next year or she is lining herself up for a Parliamentary Career when Jacinda has gone
  
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  November 4, 2022 10:28am
  - cmm
    
    There aren’t likely to be many list slots.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Party vote Labour!//
      
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      November 4, 2022 5:08pm
  - kevn
    
    @fight… Consultancy work? Has the ears of the current ‘leader’.
    
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    November 4, 2022 10:38am
- Nickc2
  
  Who cares?
  
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  November 4, 2022 12:16pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Lining up for Mt Albert when the time comes?
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some are saying it may be:
    Oma Rapeti Oma Rapeti Oma Rapeti, soon
    
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    November 4, 2022 6:25pm
Maggie Pie

I can fully understand why Kim Kardashian would want to be blonde, but honestly, those black roots are horrible 🙁

https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1588019444252827648
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November 4, 2022 10:19am
- Nickc2
  
  I guess she’s had all kinds eh?
  
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  November 4, 2022 12:17pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  2 of 3 of my blondes don’t want to be blonde. Why do people want to be something they aren’t? At least dying your hair is less drastic than cutting bits off your body.
  
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  November 4, 2022 12:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It took me 3 years to partner to stop it with the black dye.
    Now it is grey – I tell her it is platinum blonde. It looks good for an older person.
    
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    November 4, 2022 6:32pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  I thought the whole regrowth thing was all the rage?? I’ll pass on this trend.
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:39pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Reminded me of Ricky Gervais’ burn that KK was a poor man’s Princess Kate.
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:39pm
Alan Wilkinson

Damian Grant aside, I think this is the first Stuff commentary worth reading since it took the Devil’s silver:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130350904/the-realities-of-being-a-mayor-and-why-the-public-dont-vote

Central and local bureaucracy runs local government and elected councils are just fig leaves.
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November 4, 2022 10:32am
Rusty

How does that Jackson 5 song go?

“Don’t blame it on the sunshine, don’t blame it on the moonlight, blame it on the boogie”

Replace the word boogie with climate change and that’s Jacindas blame for Nzs problems.
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November 4, 2022 10:44am
Prince

Try to explain this to the Mohammad Nawaz, the Pakistani cricketer.

Mohammad Nawaz thought he was out, run out, but was actually not out because he had been given out previously but that was not out, and that meant the run out was not out. So he was out.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/300730674/pakistans-mohammad-nawaz-loses-wicket-in-absurd-fashion-at-twenty20-world-cup

But in a previous game against Pakistan Virat Kohli was bowled out by Nawaz, but was not out and scored runs because the previous ball was a no ball so that meant the next ball was in effect a no ball.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/130263328/t20-world-cup-umpire-under-pressure-with-key-ruling-in-indias-dramatic-lastover-win

Cricket is a funny game.
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November 4, 2022 10:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Someone else who has seen the writing on the wall?

Anna Fifield leaves Stuff/Dompost

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/2022/11/03/anna-fifield-returns-washington-post-asia-pacific-editor/
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November 4, 2022 11:06am
- Prince
  
  Wonderful news. She cost the Dompost at least 50% of subscribers.
  Mind you, what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Wellington to be born ?
  
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  November 4, 2022 11:24am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    A rough beast would surely be an improvement? We’ve got more than enough chardonnay socialists.
    
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    November 4, 2022 12:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    WB Yeats fan.
    
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    November 4, 2022 12:54pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Dom Post will be gone burger within a year
    
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    November 4, 2022 1:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    In the Washington Post report on Fifield’s new post, which will have her still based in Wellington:
    
    ” … [she] is throwing herself into te reo Maori, the indigenous language of New Zealand.
    
    The newspaper says she is also revising her knowledge of Chinese and Korean.
    
    Maori language study for the Asia-Pacific editor ahead of these: Japanese; Indonesian and Malaysian; Thai; Vietnamese, Filipino …
    
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    November 4, 2022 3:18pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      If she is i/c the Far East why is she based in Wellington???
      
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      November 4, 2022 3:37pm
MCōs

Here is the new British PM speaking in their House of Commons claiming that by bringing in Brexit they ended the free movement of people.
One imagines he means foreign people to the UK, but of course it also means Brits outside the Uk.
On balance it’s doubtful it’s anything to crow about.
https://twitter.com/five15design/status/1588299048100196352?s=61&t=KpCtkvvobFDHO9hmGpAsTw
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November 4, 2022 11:51am
Ghost

Hmmm, sometimes I forgot what country I live in. Stuff have a poll up, should the public sale of fireworks be banned across New Zealand.

Yeah, ban the bang! – they are dangerous, scare animals and cause fires.
Nah, hey have deep significance in cultural celebrations, such as Diwali, and sparklers are a bit of fun.

Hmmm, and I thought they were for guy fawkes, and only allowed for sale for guy fawkes

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300730681/yeah-nah-should-the-public-sale-of-fireworks-be-banned-across-nz
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November 4, 2022 12:01pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  Another example of the relentless attack on New Zealand’s European heritage. British heritage is particularly bad, with English obviously being the absolute worst.
  
  Yet fireworks in the hands of colorful folk celebrating Diwali suddenly acquire “deep significance”.
  
  “Four legs good, two legs bad.”
  
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  November 4, 2022 3:58pm
  - Opie
    
    Its only in the last few years I have understood Guy Fawkes’s actions and intent…
    
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    November 4, 2022 5:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just came across this while cruising the net.
Nuclear Power:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/what-s-the-deal-with-nuclear-power/ar-AA13Hhbd?
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November 4, 2022 12:16pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

87,000. The govt and min of health doesnt care about that many people.

An OIA response provided the below to a reposne to a question about how many people have conatced the minstry and or minister claiming they had a covid vax injury.
“Manatū Hauora conducted a search for email correspondence to identify information that may be within scope of your request. Keywords searched included ‘adverse reaction’, ‘medical event’, and ‘COVID-19 vaccination’. This search yielded over
87,000 results. Providing an estimate of how many of these emails are individuals contacting the Ministry claiming that they or a family member have suffered an AEFI would require Ministry staff to manually review each of the 87,000 files individually. This
would unreasonably interfere with the day-to-day functions of Manatū Hauora. ”

If like me you wondered who is Manatu Hauora, well here is the answer to that one. “Manatū
Hauora is the Te Reo Māori name for the Ministry of Health. The Ministry of Health is referred to as the Ministry of Health (not Manatū Hauora) in its legislation, therefore, being its legal name. However, you can expect to see the Ministry referred to as Manatū Hauora frequently and interchangeably. ”
No doubt the cost to add an adition nickname (not legal) would have been more than cost to actually answer the OIA request?
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November 4, 2022 12:40pm
- cas
  
  It’s still the BOP District health Board down here.
  
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  November 4, 2022 12:53pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is it ?
    – somebody’s head will role immediately
    – I though the Hospital in Tauranga was now Maori named!
    
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    November 4, 2022 1:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yet this Government has money for a bunch of highly paid researchers to trawl through the internet looking for covid disinformation.
  
  https://thedisinfoproject.org/about-us/
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Only in NZ. This is why there is no money for Hospitals etc.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/govt-ministry-spends-100k-on-new-website-then-scraps-it/?
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November 4, 2022 12:42pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  See below https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/viral-road-rage-video-shows-gang-member-beaten-up-by-older-man/?fbclid=IwAR3igTrIaDk-dFS9YsPUfcgTWAOWOyJJI1C_8NX7kaneb0GgaOvgv1V8gKM
  
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  November 4, 2022 4:20pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum was just telling me she heard Mike King on with Duncan Garner earlier, he was saying, “this is the most RACIST government he has ever encountered…..that when it comes to mental-health they treat white people like they don’t exist”.

A caller to the show suggested that since Starship turned down the 500k from that horse trainer, he should donate it to Mike’s ‘I Am Hope Charity’.

Hmmm….. bet MK has been crossed off Cindy’s Xmas Card list 🙁
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November 4, 2022 12:49pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  “Hmmm….. bet MK has been crossed off Cindy’s Xmas Card list”
  That ship sailed a long time ago when MK threw his NZ honours medal back in Cindy’s office. Cindy would have taken that as a massive insult.
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:43pm
- greybeard
  
  Why, if the NZ govt has given $1.9bn to Mental Health, is there any need for any charity to seek funds for mental health?
  Second question: what proportion of donations to charities for such things as Mental Health actually GET to the affected people, instead of to the pockets of the people running these scams? ( Whoops, sorry, “running these charities” ).
  Note: in 2020 there were 27,500 registered “charities” in NZ.
  
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  November 4, 2022 3:43pm
  - Taieri
    
    Why, if the NZ govt has given $1.9bn to Mental Health, is there any need for any charity to seek funds for mental health?
    —————
    
    Charity functionaries have to eat too, didn’t you know?
    
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    November 4, 2022 5:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda does not even know who MK is
  
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  November 4, 2022 6:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

For those interested, Sioux City Iowa, live.
https://www.rsbnetwork.com/video/watch-live-president-donald-j-trump-holds-save-america-rally-in-sioux-city-ia-11-3-22/
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November 4, 2022 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shit there are a lot of people there. 37 deg F
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I am waiting for rotor cuff repair and cubital tunnel op.
I am thankful for the active surveillance on prostate. Result of a 35 point biopsy 3 weeks ago. No new cancer. That makes me happy.
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November 4, 2022 1:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This was a reply to Ghost, but it seems his comment has gone.
  
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  November 4, 2022 2:32pm
iMP

Forget the UK PMs….Netanyahu is back!
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November 4, 2022 1:17pm
- Nickc2
  
  That’ll piss the NZ Green Party off eh?
  Hey Golriz, have your lot discovered yet that Camels are no match for Army Tanks and Fighter Jets?
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ouch
    
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    November 4, 2022 1:45pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Bye bye Nuclear Bomb Program
    https://eurasiantimes.com/israeli-f-35-stealth-fighter-breached-irans-airspace-evaded/
    
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    November 4, 2022 3:04pm
Yabster

see stuffed is running a three waters “discussion”- some of the comments supporting it are misinformed at best- depressing really.
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November 4, 2022 1:28pm
Ghost

Don’t know what caused this fight, but damn, that elderly man, guess that black power member won’t be wanting to show his face around the gang headquarters for a while

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-road-rage-elderly-man-deals-to-patched-gang-member-in-papatoetoe-road-rage-dispute/4KHCCMBYE5HTXAJAKFYJSPBRIM/
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November 4, 2022 1:33pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Looks like that old dude has had some boxing experience.
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Us older guys are older for a reason. We have been through this sort of shit.
  Good tangle!
  
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  November 4, 2022 3:03pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING 😀 😀 😀

Without even realising it, CLUNT has just summed up every Labor MP in the very first sentence…….

https://twitter.com/ClintVSmith/status/1588075242630836226
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November 4, 2022 1:38pm
- Yabster
  
  yep and you spelt his name with to many L’s…
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:46pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  LOL what a f**kn muppet to be saying that.
  “All sharma had to do was minimal work..”
  Must be in the Labour party handbook.
  
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  November 4, 2022 1:49pm
mandk

Yes, I think you nailed the job description.
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November 4, 2022 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

Washed my hair earlier and only just finished braiding it.

Will that increase my terrorist ranking?
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November 4, 2022 2:49pm
- Ghost
  
  Depends if you hung the wig on the line for all to see or not
  
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  November 4, 2022 2:55pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! u just reminded me of a joke from boarding-school….
    
    What do ghosts wash their hair with?
    
    ShamBoo.
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    November 4, 2022 3:15pm
    - Ghost
      
      Hahaha, love it
      
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      November 4, 2022 3:22pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        So did you keep the black roots Maggie, or cover the up with a rinse.? 😆
        
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        November 4, 2022 5:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dry
      
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      November 4, 2022 5:37pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Nah – increases your chance of appearing on the next Housewives of Remuera episode though. LOL 🙂
  
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  November 4, 2022 3:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What time is that on TNV1?
    Must be about 3am Monday
    
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    November 4, 2022 6:42pm
leoj

Worth a watch……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhez3is_rfs
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November 4, 2022 3:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If ever that was played back she would rufude that.
  Sad really.
  
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  November 4, 2022 6:50pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Looks like a good site…
  
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  November 5, 2022 7:48am
jon

Roy Morgan poll out today? Is due!
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November 4, 2022 4:29pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Yes and Labour under v30%
  
  Nat/ACT 48.5
  
  With the lost votes of the under 5% parties they would get more than 60 seats
  
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  November 4, 2022 8:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh, before you go for your craft beer shandy:

Biden’s speech Drinking Game: Take a shot whenever Biden says

1. JAN 6
2. Trump
3. Mumbles incoherently
4. DEmOcRaCy
5. Blames someone else

I’m absolutely hammered.
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November 4, 2022 4:39pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

OK, maybe I’m thik….but why wouldn’t you just switch to auto-pilot?

https://twitter.com/ilove_aviation/status/1588242691602911232
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November 4, 2022 5:04pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Maybe the auto-pilot is doing it and he is just hanging on to the stick?
  
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  November 4, 2022 5:10pm
- Ghost
  
  Because pilots still have nightmares from the last time he was activated?
  
  https://addicted2success.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Autopilot.png
  
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  November 4, 2022 5:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Classic Ghost. And don’t call me Shirley.
    
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    November 4, 2022 5:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is not Wellywood. Things can get a bit thought producing landing there.
  Came in from Christchurch late evening. I asked the hosts “did we land or crash?”
  Smiles:)
  
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  November 4, 2022 5:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Auckland Ratepayers’ Alliance. Eke Panuku exposed. Fix Auckland.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130369049/auckland-council-organisations-push-back-on-wayne-browns-criticisms
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November 4, 2022 5:15pm
Chris Nisbet

Hands up who thinks Air New Zealand will have replaced its Q300 fleet (seating ~50 passengers) with zero emissions planes by 2030.
Anyone?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2022/11/mission-next-generation-aircraft-air-new-zealand-to-launch-zero-emissions-flights-in-2026.html
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November 4, 2022 5:18pm
- Taieri
  
  Air New Zealand will have replaced its Q300 fleet (seating ~50 passengers) with zero emissions planes by 2030
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  Don’t they breathe and fart? Flying pigs?
  
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  November 4, 2022 5:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Zero emissions my left tit. Planes will be charged using imported coal
    
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    November 4, 2022 6:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What the H is green hydrogen?
  
  likely green hydrogen or battery hybrid systems –
  
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  November 4, 2022 5:38pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    My understanding (which could well be wrong) is that it’s hydrogen produced from ‘green’ energy (so solar and wind) only.
    This is nonsense of course – solar and wind are hardly ‘green’. Think about all the non-‘green’ energy expended making that stuff in that stuff in the first place.
    If nothing else ‘green’ hydrogen has to be expensive as hell. Big losses at every stage.
    
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    November 4, 2022 5:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I guess guess green hydrogen is made with electricity, made with imported coal.
    Could be wrong.
    
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    November 4, 2022 6:03pm
  - Taieri
    
    What the H is green hydrogen?
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    Hydrogen made by electrolysis using renewable sources of energy.
    Extremely inefficient and expensive.
    
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    November 4, 2022 6:24pm
Taieri

From a job ad:

“(…)Our values are manaakitanga, whanaungatanga and tiakitanga at Te Whare Wānanga o Waitaha and these uara (values) guide our decisions and behaviour. Our values provide a roadmap for how we do things, affirming our commitment to the oranga (health, safety and wellbeing) of our students through mana-enhancing pastoral care and support. Ngā Uara (our values) challenge and inspire us to be the best we can be. (…)”

The job is for MAINTENANCE FITTER with University of Canterbury, or at least I think that’s what it used to be called.
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November 4, 2022 5:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I guess the ‘maintenance fitter’ will just ‘Moarify’ his fitting
  
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  November 4, 2022 6:07pm
- greybeard
  
  “Whitter”, please.
  
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  November 4, 2022 7:59pm
Maggie Pie

What did 50 Cent do when he got hungry?

58.
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November 4, 2022 5:59pm
Ghost

Just a note Jacinda, having a red light shinning on you makes you like evil and angry, oh maybe it isn’t the light

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130379756/watch-live-labour-party-conference-opens-as-party-attempts-to-turn-the-tide
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November 4, 2022 6:12pm
Ghost

The herald has a new section. “The new New Zealand, rebuilding better.

Hmmm, sounds very Klaus Schwab

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rebuilding-better-new-poll-reveals-most-important-issue-for-new-zealanders/JVMZJEKMBDKGF7ITQOLHCABOO4/
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November 4, 2022 7:14pm
Ghost

Strange, because I have a friend whose daughter was a Senior Radiographer, recently moved to New Zealand and told not to bother applying for at least a year and to go work on a farm to build up her English

Newshub can reveal that Middlemore Hospital alone is short by 24 radiographers and the backlog of patients waiting for CT scans is growing quickly.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/exclusive-auckland-s-middlemore-hospital-in-dire-need-of-radiographers.html
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November 4, 2022 7:17pm
JimBobJoe

Where is Milky Mikey???

I hope he is OK- I miss his humourous posts!!!
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November 4, 2022 8:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  sssssshhh it is nice without him
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:35am
Ghost

Looks like Wellington or Auckland are in it’s possible path.

Debris from an uncontrolled Chinese rocket could crash into New Zealand overnight as the spacecraft re-enters Earth’s atmosphere.

The Aerospace Corporation’s Centre For Orbital and Reentry Debris Studies (Cords) estimates the rocket will drop out of orbit sometime overnight or tomorrow, as does European Union Space Surveillance and Tracking.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300731472/rocket-the-size-of-a-10storey-building-falling-to-earth-with-new-zealand-in-its-path
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