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artemisia

Thank goodness, progress at last on Ihumatao! But wait, there’s more. Much more. After 18 months, there is now most of a governance group, just needs to figure out terms of reference in the next 5 years.

Fletcher’s housing programme could have been done and dusted by now.

The governance group is unique in that other than a five-year timeline it doesn’t have a specific mandate or terms of reference – it’s for those on the group to work out.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ihumatao-governance-group-formed-but-lacking-consensus
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July 2, 2022 8:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Geez, ya wouldn’t want to be waiting for an urgent surgical decision from the Maori Health Authority at that rate, would ya?
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:35am
  - Lance
    
    One way to get the waiting list down, just let everyone on it die.
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:39am
- kevn
  
  @art.. There will never be a consensus. A gravy/hui train that will go forever.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:56am
  - Matt Long
    
    I wonder what the annual taxpayer funding budget for the kawana hui is?
    I would guess at least seven figures.
    Or how long before the entire site is covered in gorse, refuse, and burnt out cars.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:18am
- Yvette
  
  • But Te Aakitai Waiohaua’s representative has still not been officially appointed due to ongoing concerns about the process and the need to engage with the Crown.
  
  • The governance group plans to meet once a month, but some are still questioning what the mandate and terms of reference are and what the future holds for the land.
  “It’s a really hard discussion and for some of the mana whenua groups the notion of being on the committee with the Crown is a struggle.’’
  
  • “When the Crown stepped in, they were very upfront they were using housing money to do this. So, I think we can’t get three-quarters of the way in and say no, because that was a fundamental from day one.’’
  One way Simmonds says the housing dispute could be worked around is using land owned by Waikato-Tainui.
  “There are other lands nearby that are tribally owned that were returned in our settlement that could provide solutions in that housing area.
  
  It seems that the Ihumātao governance group – consequent of the Crown using housing money – is assigned to decide housing for that piece of land, not somewhere else.
  
  How will Te Aakitai Waiohaua – so uncomfortable with the “Crown” – be represented by the new Maori Health Authority?
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:06am
  - pdm
    
    Yvette – the first house may be commenced by 2050 – then again it may not be.
    
    Good old Jacinda – what a cock up she made by visiting Ihumatao a few years ago.
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:33am
    - oldfella
      
      pdm: not sure she actually visited the site. I seem to recall she just stuck her stupid oar into the process.
      
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      July 2, 2022 12:23pm
  - backster
    
    Will the fees and rewards for the Governance group bed paid from the Covid Fund and will any of the members be experts from the Mahuta Hapu?
    
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    July 2, 2022 12:29pm
- Swifty
  
  One of my bros is dealing with this daily and on a large scale.
  
  Three day hui, all taxpayer funded, tens and tens in attendance, not a thing achieved except squabbling, massive effort spent on minor and trivial matters and more hui called for.
  
  The incentives are wrong. Pay people per day/meeting and you create an incentive to stretch things out.
  
  Pay by outcome and you sharpen focus and create an achievement mindset and culture.
  
  My bro has huge fears over co-governance – he is certain it will be a recipe for poor outcomes, massively stretched timelines for achieving anything and eye-watering cost escalation.
  
  Another thing he mentioned to me last week was his belief that ‘co-governance’ will just evolve into a ‘Maori veto’, as he is witnessing now on a smaller scale, where tribes extract money and favours for themselves in return for giving their consent to initiatives.
  
  Initiatives that really they should have no more say in than the woman or man in the street.
  
  It’ll the taxpayer who will suffer and while post-career Labour MPs flit around on boards, working groups and tribal bodies, again, all taxpayer funded.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:13am
mikenmildagain

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Would we have had less suffering if the catholic schools hadn’t been bailed out by the government in the 1970s?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129032595/a-secret-world-of-power-abuse-and-coverups-in-new-zealand-schools
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July 2, 2022 8:23am
- Maggie Pie
  
  So when you say “we”, are you referring to yourself. Ross and Mike?
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:29am
- Inandout
  
  m&m, Stuff run stories like this when our economy is in tatters and they earnestly wish to get more of that $50 million. They are bought and comply completely. Talking of ‘secret worlds’ how is the 3 Waters scam going?
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:34am
  - kevn
    
    @InOut… 3 more rounds of media funding come yet.
    They won’t be missing out.
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:58am
- Nukuleka
  
  As someone who spent 10 years in the 70s / 80s teaching in a very fine Catholic school in Auckland I can categorically say no, Mike/ Ross. If it’s printed in Stuff I don’t believe it.
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:35am
  - ngatimozart
    
    I went to Catholic schools, primary and secondary. At the secondary school which I boarded at we had one priest who we were always wary about. Some years after I left he was charged with sexual abuse of boys. It wasn’t a Marist school either, but over the years I have heard many stories about their schools and what went on in them. The people who told me those stories are reliable witnesses. As a lay teacher you would have been unaware of what was happening unless a student specifically sought you out to discuss the matter.
    
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    July 2, 2022 5:04pm
- Matt Long
  
  Instead we would have only state sanctioned unionised abuse and suffering which I’m given to understand is more common than Catholic school suffering Mike, despite the narrative.
  Covering up abuse should be punished similarly to abuse itself wherever it occurs.
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:36am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    The issues with sexual abuse in Catholic institutions is presented as being a religious issue, because this is consistent with the desired narrative. However, the real issue, as is demonstrated by the many instances of sexual abuse of boys in secular institutions, is the issue of gay men sexually abusing minors – that is the essential common denominator in all instances, whereas religiosity is an accidental circumstance. This cannot be the focus though, because it draws attention to the practice of gay men abusing boys.
    
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    July 2, 2022 12:02pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Excellent point.
      
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      July 2, 2022 1:20pm
      - Unity
        
        It seems to me that these gay men seek out employment where they will have a ready source of targets. It’s utterly disgraceful but I don’t know what the answer is apart from reporting every incident, taking it seriously and not be able to sweep it under the carpet.
        
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        July 2, 2022 3:51pm
    - LB
      
      A few years back a local state school in my area had a very popular teacher found guilty of sexual abuse toward students. The individual had managed to fend off accusations for some time due to being a supposed upstanding member of the local iwi. Is ethnic background responsible for this? No, just as religious affiliation is not. Sadly people were blinkered because they wanted a good role model and someone with a talent for manipulation took advantage of the community and comitted terrible crimes.
      
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      July 2, 2022 2:12pm
    - RichardX
      
      It is very convenient to ignore the immoral actions of the Catholic Church hierarchy as they moved paedophile priests, covered up the abuse and generally tried to hide their failings as an institution. An institution who feels it is their right to decide moral issues and provide moral guidance to the adherents.
      
      I would expect nothing less from a commenter who uses fallacious reasoning.
      
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      July 2, 2022 2:22pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Gay men are attracted to men. The word you’re looking for is “pedophiles”.
      
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      July 2, 2022 2:52pm
    - ngatimozart
      
      It’s definitely not a religious issue and I would suggest that it may not be just related to gay men either but to bi and heterosexual men as well, because girls were molested as well. Whatever it is, there is absolutely no excuse for it and since I grew up in a rural area, there are some methods used on animals that can easily be used on kiddie fiddlers as well. Apparently they are illegal and some claim immoral. Bugger.
      
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      July 2, 2022 5:10pm
- Tempist
  
  Another great Labour initiative, mm. Nice ideological contradiction between public provision and the inability of the public system to deal with the prospect of private students being dumped into the public system
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:39am
- Ruahine
  
  Milky.
  
  The deal was signed under a Labour Gov’t.
  Norman Kirks I believe.
  In the context of your sentence the word catholic should be spelt with a capital C.
  Hence Catholic is the correct spelling. The word catholic means universal.
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did I specify which brand of our consensus-based politics was responsible?
    Sorry about the C. The Catholic Church does, of course, maintain its claim to be catholic in the sense you mention, hoping perhaps that the Great Schism and the Reformation were just passing phases.
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:53am
- CJames
  
  The same problem happened at Dilworth and a number of other schools, none of which were Catholic.
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    And state schools.
    
    ‘David Russell Bond (70) appeared in the Dunedin District Court this afternoon after previously admitting 20 indecent assaults against seven pupils from when he taught at Otago Boys’ High School between 2001-11.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/dunedin-teacher-jailed-over-sexually-abusing-pupils
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Indeed. Predators are much more likely to find a friendly home in the long-established instutions that prize reputation over justice: religious cults, youth organisatons, prestigious schools, etc. Secular residemtial institutions, sich as prisons, hospitals, youth homes, etc are also prone to abuse, although I would argue the lack of cult-like traditions should make them somewhat safer.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:01am
    - krazykiwi
      
      You left out one place: Ardern’s office.
      
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      July 2, 2022 10:32am
- peterwn
  
  The $55M at work again. Jacinda and Robbo and co expect value for money.
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, but it’s our money, not theirs
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:39am
    - mawm
      
      They don’t understand that.
      
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      July 2, 2022 11:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Interesting proposition, Mikey. To answer it, you’d need to weigh the good done by those schools, along with the harm done in State and other non Catholic schools.
  
  Please report back here when you’re done.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:03am
Herodotus

1st July government announces trade agreement with the EU, that will allow our wines to be exported free of tariffs , same day excise duty increases for those in NZ. So we will now be paying an extra $2.49/bottle. BUT don’t worry in Brussels it will be cheaper to drink !!!! So when we Skál remember the government.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU2206/S00037/increased-excise-tax-means-higher-costs-for-wineries-and-consumers.htm
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July 2, 2022 8:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Forgive me for being so naive, but what do we pay excise for? Is it just another annual money grab by the Govt? I don’t think there’s any reason for it.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:45am
- thirteenstars
  
  While I don’t think alcohol should have any taxes on it at all, you are in error.
  
  The *total* excise tax on a bottle of table wine will be $2.49, not as you say, an “extra” $2.49.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:18am
Benedict Yu

Maybe someone took Jacinda clothes shopping in London. She looks almost stylish. 😀

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300627454/jacinda-ardern-inks-deal-to-make-it-easier-for-kiwis-to-travel-and-work-in-the-uk
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July 2, 2022 8:52am
- Scott
  
  I notice that she said to Boris that “we are open for trade, for business, for tourists”. This is good to hear because there is speculation that we are being softened up for a return to red levels of covid strictness.
  
  We can only hope that the Prime Minister means what she says and we are open for business and for tourists.
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She tells lies remember.
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:42am
    - oldfella
      
      Jacindafibber?
      
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      July 2, 2022 9:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth. She is a fraud and tells lies constantly.
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:50am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    As I have said before, if she cared about climate change she would not be encouraging Northern hemisphere tourists to come to New Zealand.
    
    The other thing I would note is that few tourists will come here with the current mask wearing requirements. These long haul tourists spend serious money. And they have choices.
    
    This mask thing has to go. People are free to wear masks if they choose to do so. We have a mask mandate because it is the final symbol of government control.
    
    How long is this going to go on for?
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:00am
    - Nickc2
      
      This is how the Govt does its Polling. They count everyone wearing a mask as being a potential Labour voter.
      
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      July 2, 2022 10:04am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Seems like it. Their dress sense gives it away.
        
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        July 2, 2022 11:34am
    - pdm
      
      BY – I reckon it will take a change of government to get rid of masks.
      
      The current lot love the control far far too much.
      
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      July 2, 2022 11:39am
    - Jim
      
      Infinite up ticks BY
      
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      July 2, 2022 1:17pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Stylish? Hmmmm, I might need another coffee. This is what I saw after looking at the Stuffed photo with the article.
  
  http://www.kanaeentani.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/the-shining-twins.jpg
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:58am
  - Drone
    
    Unkind @ClanMcleod
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:00am
- Inandout
  
  BY, and she is smiling and maskless. Is there a message there for us NZers?
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:59am
  - Don Beckett
    
    She may be smiling but it looks like she has been sucking lemons for the past hour.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:56am
- GT Build
  
  I thought she was modelling her wedding dress as it was not her normal dark and depressing clothing
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The skirt is good. The top is too cute. But at least it is an improvement.
    
    BTW a female work colleague is large. Very large. She wears very stylish clothes. They are all tailor made. All of them. She said that if she did not have them all made to measure, her clothes choices would be the warehouse or K Mart.
    
    It had not occurred to me before. I think that might explain the fashion sense of a couple of Ministers.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No skirt. It is a one piece dress.
      
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      July 2, 2022 11:37am
- Matt Long
  
  Jacinda “said the playground, and welcome approach to babies even in the debating chamber, had improved the debate and ideas of New Zealand’s parliamentarians – just by having the very young nearby.”
  Now she doesn’t need to go to Kindy for ideas, her brain trust is right there in parliament.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:06am
  - Nukuleka
    
    There’s something rather sickening about a woman who believes in abortion up to the point of birth at the same time fawning over baby-friendly spaces at Parliament.
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:11am
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s a sickening kind of kindness she has, empathy versus hard left regressive dogma. I’m glad I don’t have to live in her head.
      
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      July 2, 2022 9:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Remember “Lost in Space”?
        
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        July 2, 2022 9:46am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There is something sickening about someone who believes women get late-term abortions for convenience rather tham for serious medical reasons.
      
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      July 2, 2022 10:04am
      - Don Beckett
        
        If that’s the case, why do they abort instead of an early delivery & if they don’t want the baby, and it is viable after 23 weeks, give it up for adoption? There are thousands of childless parents who would love to adopt a baby.
        
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        July 2, 2022 11:00am
      - Flossie
        
        A baby might be viable at 23 weeks, but the intervention required (not to mention the costs on the health budget) would be huge, and necessitate hospitalisation for many weeks. And a child that early may not have a guaranteed outcome… plenty of possibilities of long term disabilities.
        I’m not saying this would happen but the risks are certainly many.
        
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        July 2, 2022 11:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is ‘infanticide’ Mike
        
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        July 2, 2022 11:38am
      - mawm
        
        You amaze me how you sprout such uninformed crap. Do you have even a smidgeon of understanding on how a “late term” abortion is done?
        
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        July 2, 2022 12:13pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I’m aware of that Flossie, but 23 weeks is not considered “late term” – most “late term ” abortions are between 32 and 39 weeks – a perfectly viable baby. I can’t understand a woman who wants to murder her own flesh & blood.
        
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        July 2, 2022 1:39pm
  - graham
    
    Does it sound like this woman needs a good dose of reality? Maybe somebody could point her to DPF’s previous post:
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/07/britains_strictest_headmistress.html
    
    Every time I read about the “babies in the debating chamber” and see the photo of Trevor Mallard holding a baby in the Speaker’s chair, for some reason the courtroom scene from Naked Gun 33 1/3 comes to mind.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akrTlYc40XE
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:21am
    - oldfella
      
      Would you let Trevor Mallard hold your baby?
      
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      July 2, 2022 9:54am
      - Matt Long
        
        I wouldn’t let Mallard in the same room with my baby.
        
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        July 2, 2022 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  The Media Pardy are doing their paid very best to present her in as posidive a light as possible.
  
  Meeting the great and the good . All smiles .Huge wins on international stage . All accompanied by the best camera angles and happy photos.
  
  I had to check I was still in New Zealand and not North Korea………
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:10am
  - Prince
    
    …and on the other side, present Luxon as under attack for ‘religious’ views, etc etc.
    Clever politics with the media carried along.
    
    Anyway, I’d expect Labour to get a bounce from this week. If they don’t, they may as well call an election now. They would be dead in the water.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:30am
    - Skinny White Boy
      
      Labour are “dog tucker at the next election”.. Dead cats don’t bounce.
      
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      July 2, 2022 8:52pm
  - mawm
    
    Boris the buffoon “the great and good’ – hardly. This wannabe Winston Churchill wants to take the Western world into a war with Vlad. The stupidity is immense. Sometimes somethings such as “the special relationship” have to be broken to protect one’s nation and your neighbours.
    
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    July 2, 2022 12:21pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Place her next to the French First Lady or someone like Kristi Noem. That will fix it.
  
  Ben – you are victim to the Walrus Mermaid dilemma.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’ll look it up.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:10am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Fantastic news for young Kiwis who want to see the world, gain experience and escape the mess Jaspinda has created in New Zealand.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:35am
  - Drone
    
    But having left will they ever come back ..
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    But before that as far as the UK factors in we will have to wait a couple of more years as the details are to be sorted out.
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe she read the comment from me the other day.
  Does any female in Labour have a business dress suit? You are professionals ffs.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:40am
  - oldfella
    
    I think Cindy and Nanaia have the same image consultant.
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Professionals ?
    
    Nope they are radical activists , and Winston promoted them waaaaay above their pay grade .
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:01am
- Nickc2
  
  She doesn’t like being upstaged by Comrade Mahuta!
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:56am
  - oldfella
    
    Nick2: check out these FB comments re Mahuta’s dress sense. Complete with picture. Ouch!
    https://waikanaewatch.org/2022/07/02/oh-dear-mahuta-upsets-fashionistas-at-commonwealth-heads-of-government/
    
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    July 2, 2022 12:15pm
    - Nickc2
      
      That’s not fair oldfella. You just assigned my lunch orally to the toilet. What a fucking embarrassment she is.
      Remember, if Willie Jackson and Co get their way, she will be the next PM.
      
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      July 2, 2022 12:49pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Ben Yu being stylish is easy when her dress cost $3000.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:58am
- kevn
  
  @BY… Just channeling meghan markle.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:00am
- Flossie
  
  Almost stylish… but no. Missed by THAT much!
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:59am
- RightFirstTime
  
  To be fair Benedict it isn’t hard to look stylish when you are standing next to Boris.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:14am
- Ra Henare
  
  Look at the body language, the tilted head etc
  Fawning or as my Mum used to say “she is just sucking up to the guy”
  
  All girlie shit.
  
  Not very professional politician stance.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:37am
- covfefe
  
  She looks dreadful – absolutely no style and she has a not bad figure. Very odd.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:42am
- Hebe123
  
  Really? As a 40s woman I think she looks frumpy.
  
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  July 2, 2022 12:57pm
  - Nickc2
    
    If she’s trying to appear virginal, she’s outta luck eh?
    
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    July 2, 2022 1:48pm
Scott

Joe Biden when speaking to reporters talks about “aborting a child”.
Two things stand out for me. First of all the left assure us that it is not a child, it is a foetus and so it can be aborted. Joe inadvertently lets the truth come out.
Secondly he is painfully unable to cope with questions from reporters. After that statement we can hear his aides frantically shutting things down.

So how about this? There is such a thing as an unborn child and ending its life is a really big thing.
Secondly let’s believe our own eyes. Joe Biden is a very old man who is no longer fit to be president of the United States.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/07/biden-brigade-misfiring-on-all-cylinders.php
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July 2, 2022 8:53am
- Drone
  
  That Biden is an old man and not fit to lead is a dilemma for the people of America. Equally people will state that Jacinda is a child with little real world experience and shouldn’t be PM, and in the UK Johnson who age wise sits between Jacinda and Biden isn’t exactly an exemplary statesman. Where can we get leaders that we respect and that are able to lead, too old, too young, or too narcissistic it would seem that we have a Goldilocks conundrum in many nations..
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:07am
  - gump
    
    It’s not a Goldilocks conundrum. After a while you realise that those arguments are almost never made in good faith.
    
    People don’t actually care that leaders are too old or too young, too thin or too fat, too plain or too stylish – except when it helps to bolster their already held opinions.
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:09am
Jack5

Labour’s lunacy continues …

The board it has appointed for the Reserve Bank is analysed by Michael Reddell. A sample:

“ … one of the appointments to the Board appear to be in breach of the Act, but several are questionable on various counts, and taken together (and one should think about the composition of the Board as a whole) the new Board represents a poor, and grossly inadequate, start to the new regime. It could have been a great opportunity for a really impressive fresh start for the governance of the Bank. Instead, the Orr-Robertson degrading of the Bank continues.

Well worth reading at:

https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/07/01/the-new-reserve-bank-board/
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July 2, 2022 8:54am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I know. Utterly shocking. I don’t know much about monetary policy but I’d do a better job on the board than any of them.
  
  Why not simply get a couple of people with great governance skills and combine those with the three top monetary economists in New Zealand? Or outside of New Zealand for that matter. The need for physical presence in meetings is long past.
  
  I just don’t get it. It is like they are deliberately trying to stuff the bank and the economy. 😭
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:15am
  - Matt Long
    
    And create some kind of reset or brave new world.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:32am
  - mawm
    
    As long as they don’t get someone of Jacinda’s ilk like Mark Carney – former Governor of The Reserve Bank, UK, ex UN Special Envoy for Climate Action, presently on the Board of Trustees , WEF.
    
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    July 2, 2022 5:11pm
- oldfella
  
  Jack5: I’m happy as long as the new board is culturally diverse, with co-governance in all financial matters. //
  
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  July 2, 2022 12:21pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I dunno about that oldfella but it’s definitely Maori-centric and not too many who know about things financial looking at their bios.
    No doubt it will be a roaring success and the envy of the financial world eh? //
    
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    July 2, 2022 1:56pm
    - oldfella
      
      Car pie, bro.
      
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      July 2, 2022 5:13pm
Jack5

On the front page of the Wall Street Journal web site a headline: The Proud Boys Are Terrorists, New Zealand Says.

It goes on to report on NZ designating the American far-Right group the Proud Boys as a terrorist organization, highlighting the role that the group played in last year’s attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Has anyone heard of this group being in NZ? Or is this grandstanding by the Ardernists? Keep Jacindarella in the news so she gets a UN job after she’s booted out at the next election?
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July 2, 2022 9:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Everything Brenda does is calculated to impress her world audience, nothing is for the benefit of NZers.
  Never forget that. She is a narcissist only concerned for herself and her “fame” and political career.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:55am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Wasn’t there some fuss a year or two ago about NZ not keeping its terrorist list up to date?
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:07am
  - NK
    
    Putin has declared Jehovah’s Witnesses as a terrorist group. That’s what happens when authoritarian socialists have ultimate power. They want to destroy religion and destroy the family. Easiest way to do it is to lock them up and/or deplatform them. This is a recurring theme now around the world.
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:32am
    - peterwn
      
      All 144,000 of them!
      
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      July 2, 2022 10:52am
    - Cassandra
      
      They have a long history of terrorism. Or something – Nazis persecuted them too. Their Watchtower sales teams have always unfailingly polite in my experience. The more I see of Putin the more I see a fascist.
      
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      July 2, 2022 11:09am
    - Spoff
      
      Love the way you put it: “Putin has declared Jehovah’s Witnesses as a terrorist group”.
      In fact it was the Russian Supreme Court who ruled the JWs “an extremist organisation back in 2017.
      Putin’s response:
      ““Jehovah’s Witnesses are also Christians, I don’t really understand why they should be persecuted either”
      https://jw-russia.org/news/2018/12/544.html
      Never mind. I guess the opportunity to portray Putin as some kind of merciless autocrat is tempting to those who gleefully swallow the mainstream narrative – even if it is utter garbage..
      
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      July 2, 2022 1:40pm
      - ngatimozart
        
        “I guess the opportunity to portray Putin as some kind of merciless autocrat is tempting … ” Well he is and that has been shown many times and FYI not by the MSM. He’s a war criminal as well just to add to the list. He leads a fascist kleptocracy and even his best mate Xi Jinping is fully supporting him. He massacred the Chechens, authorised his forces to use chemical weapons in Syria, and has started a war of wanton aggression by invading a sovereign nation without provocation. These are facts on the ground with ample irrefutable evidence to support them. Whether you choice to accept them is totally up to you.
        
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        July 2, 2022 5:22pm
- MCōs
  
  There’s a long list of organizations designated as terrorist organizations by NZ.
  One doubts if any of them are/have been active in the country, but if know members turn up here they can be sent back whence they came and nobody would shed a tear.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:12am
Cassandra

There’s a rather silly article on Newsroom by a climate expert, in effect accusing the US Supreme Court of corruption. The Court has ruled that in order to restrict coal powered generation Congress must pass a law ie the executive cannot do it by fiat. We have the same system, as do most countries – it’s called democracy. Germany passed an Enabling Act in the 1930s which enabled its Chancellor – Prime Minister – to retitle himself Fuerher (sp?) which is apparently what this climate fellow would like.
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July 2, 2022 9:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think the wider point is that there is an extreme level of polarization in US poltics at present. This means an inability for either party to enact significant legislative change. The real power is therefore held by the unelected supreme court justices, who happen to be prepared to rule predictably amd consistently for the preferences of their party.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:14am
  - NK
    
    Are you referring to the current SCOTUS or past ones too?
    
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    July 2, 2022 10:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The level of court politicization varies over time as levels of partisanship change. It’s not impossible for US politics to return to a consensus, and if that were to happen the courts would become less nakedly partisan too.
      
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      July 2, 2022 12:05pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    If the US public cannot arrive at a consensus about the direction they want to go then that’s the decision, right there.
    
    It’s not for SCOTUS to drive in any particular political direction.
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:07am
  - CJames
    
    I disagree with your summation milky. For the EPA case, the SCOTUS have said that it is the job of Congress / Senate to make the rules, not as a delegated authority to a government agency. Like RvW, they could have passed the laws but they didn’t.
    That is not politicisation, it is just saying the Constitution says you do things this way, so do it.
    
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    July 2, 2022 4:42pm
    - mawm
      
      Mikey knows his comment is BS but like all leftists he has to pretend that he does not know. By far the most ideologically driven Justice was Ruth Ginsberg.
      
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      July 2, 2022 5:25pm
Philview

Talked to a Doctor friend last night about the first day of the new regime. A memo from on high on how correspondence should be signed off.

Te Whatu Ora (NZ Health)
Name
Pronouns
Iwi (If applicable)
Tribal Area

I wonder what sanctions will be applied if you don’t list pronouns.
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July 2, 2022 9:16am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Do you know what Michael Jackson’s pronouns were?
  
  He he.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:37am
- graham
  
  Or if you sign off as something like:
  
  Te Whatu Ora (NZ Health)
  graham (O Captain, my Captain)
  Ngati British
  Sussex
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    (Sir, Sir)
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:51am
- Yvette
  
  Philview
  After so much criticism of the “old” health service being a lottery of post-codes areas, why would you need to list tribal area?
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:49am
- oldfella
  
  Phil, the official name is ‘Health New Zealand’. I spotted it at the official launch, on the big logo, but in small letters under the big tay rayo title. FFS.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:02am
- kevn
  
  @Phil… Priorities per do little.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why does anyone care which tribe they are from? FFS We will end up like PNG. In all seriousness, these folk are more concerned about pronouns than health outcomes.
  
  I’ll say it again we are a long way from peak madness.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:18am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  It is about time all the non Maori put in their tribes
  
  ie Clan Gordon Clan McLeod etc etc
  
  As for Pronouns put in the lot.
  That will soon shut them up
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:07am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Form of email address is not going to deliver one additional consultation or operation.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:09am
rockape

Wife just got a petition from the NZNO calling for Little to be removed as heath minister. In my 60 years of interest in politics I have never seen a union petition to get rid of a Labour minister who was a former union leader.
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July 2, 2022 9:25am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Who would they replace him with??? There are all as incompetent as each other.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:05am
- oldfella
  
  rockape: John Roughan in the horrid takes a clinical look at the new health system and points to a glaring problem — Labour’s tendency to just restructure things without a clearly stated practical purpose. Which causes uncertainty, confusion and needless stress.
  It’s behind a paywall, but he writes…
  This is merely a restructure, not a reform. There is a big difference. As the chairman of Southern Cross Health, Greg Gent, put it this week, “Structure follows strategy and I can’t clearly see yet what the strategy is.”
  Nor can professionals in the public sector, from what I hear. They are going to work for a nominally different organisation on Monday but they don’t know the point of it all. They don’t know what, if anything, they are supposed to do differently.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/john-roughan-change-is-an-illusion-with-health-restructure/25J2NCKMYXXFSRO3QJFEF5ITNI/
  Yep, the country’s in the very best of hands.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:45am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    They only know one strategy: centralize.
    
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    July 2, 2022 6:13pm
Maggie Pie

We heard Stewart Nash being interviewed on ‘The Country’ this morning.

Host asked him…”Other than Damian O’Connor, who else in Cabinet has ever run their own business?”

Stew replied….”Well I’ve had my own Consultancy business. Admittedly it was just me, but I have run a business”

I’m still cleaning up the coffee my partner spat everywhere.

LOL!!
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July 2, 2022 9:27am
- Cassandra
  
  Employing yourself doesn’t really count.
  
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  July 2, 2022 9:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  What a pig. Why can’t he clean up his own mess?
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:19am
  - pdm
    
    Mikey it will take about 6 to 8 years for a National/ACT government to clean up the mess Nash and his mates in the current and last governments have left.
    
    Normal service resumes in October 2023.
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You have a lot to learn about Women, Mike.
    When something like that happens they just run for the dishcloth/sponge/kitchen towels. You don’t even get a chance.
    Just the way it is, automatic, not sexist at all. 🙂
    
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    July 2, 2022 11:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And many men have a lot to learn about good manners, Steve.
      
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      July 2, 2022 12:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I was meaning Women are onto it when men are still trying to see why they did that.
        
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        July 2, 2022 1:21pm
      - pdm
        
        Mikey I agree there.
        
        Trolling on othr peoples blogs like you do is very bad manners.
        
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        July 2, 2022 2:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Make no mistake comrades .
  
  Labour are great at running businesses and indeed whole industries.
  
  Into the gound .
  
  It’s beyond tragic.
  
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  July 2, 2022 12:40pm
Suze Wainwright

Is there any more news about the Efeso Collins car incident?

Was it the result of racism and intolerance after all…?
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July 2, 2022 9:42am
- Swifty
  
  I read the other party we’re PIs too.
  
  Nothing to do with whitey.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:16am
- oldfella
  
  Suze, gone very quiet, hasn’t it. But I’m sure a bunch of highly trained investigative journalists are working on an expose, even as we speak. //
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe a fairy tale, play the race card to get attention.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:53am
Maggie Pie

And honestly, if it wasn’t for the likes of Nick Kyrgios, I would hardly bother watching the mens. All so predictably borrrring!!

Love how he broke with a 100 years of Wimbledon tradition.
Turned up at his Press Conference shoveling Sushi in his gob and spitting it everywhere….

https://twitter.com/Wimbledon/status/1542094502973816832

LOL!!!
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July 2, 2022 9:53am
- Frank the tank
  
  Once the big 3 go – tennis will go into a slump. Women’s tennis is currently there – there is a need for another Anna Kournikova.
  
  Call me old fashioned but watching women’s sport always came down to how good looking they were. Hence my nil interest in Netball, women’s cricket or rugby.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:56am
  - Joely Doe
    
    Which is why Women’s Beach Volleyball constantly has high viewership…
    
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    July 2, 2022 2:51pm
- MCōs
  
  Hugely amusing
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:29am
In Vino Veritas

It seems the White House Press Corps have penned a letter to the White House Press Secretary complaining of “ahistoric lack of access to the President” and the imposition of requiring request forms be completed to gain entry into areas in the White House that the Press had previously been allowed by all Presidents. Apparently Biden’s admin had allowed only a limited number of reporters into the East Room and the South Court Auditorium to confront Biden, and they were chosen by the admin team. The letter goes on to say that the Corps feel that the President is limiting access to those that may ask a question that the admin do not want asked. And folks, this is the admin and now President that claimed Trump was hostile to the press!
I guess there are no surprises though, given Biden hasn’t got a clue what is going on, and like our PM, needs the questions in advance.
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July 2, 2022 9:58am
- kevn
  
  @In Vino… ” Yes, Tova, then Jessica”.
  Barry who?
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:27am
Taieri

Courtesy of samizdata net:

“I want maths teachers to teach maths, history teachers to teach history, literature teachers to educate children about the best English writers, poets and playwrights.

I want the police to investigate actual crimes like rape, burglary, stabbings and muggings, not paint their cars rainbow colours and police jokes, banter in WhatsApp groups and offensive tweets.

I want the media to tell me the facts of what is going on and let me decide what to think about it. If I want a journalist’s opinion, which I mostly don’t, I’ll read opinion columns. Just tell me what’s happening.

I want banks to provide bank services, ice cream makers to make ice cream and razor companies to make razors. I want transnational corporations to pay their taxes. I don’t want them to tell me what to think – I don’t need a moral lecture from Mr Burns off the Simpsons.

I want doctors to help me *choose* the best treatment for me and my family, not enforce a one-size-fits-all solution on me because of Government diktats. I don’t need scary advertising campaigns that misrepresent the threat to encourage me to look after my health.

I want the military to spend every waking moment working to get better at killing people who want to kill me, my family and my fellow citizens. I don’t care how diverse, progressive or inclusive they are. And I am outright hostile to this if it affects performance.

I want the legal system to reward productive, lawful behaviour and deter unproductive, unlawful behaviour. I want psychopathic, evil and dangerous people to be kept away from me, my family and my fellow law-abiding citizens.

I want politicians to implement the democratic wishes of the people of this country, even when I don’t personally agree with them. If the majority of my fellow citizens vote for something I don’t agree with, I can campaign against this while accepting the democratic outcome.

I want Government to interfere in my life as little as possible, while recognising that Government is necessary. I want to pay as little tax as lawfully possible, but enough to fund the things only Government can do.

I want an absolute meritocracy. Hard work, dedication and talent must always be rewarded. If you are lazy, don’t apply yourself or aren’t contributing, you don’t deserve to be rewarded as much as people who work their arse off.

I want people to be treated equally. Not as inferior OR superior. Just equal. There is no such thing as positive discrimination, just discrimination.”
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July 2, 2022 9:58am
- Nickc2
  
  That’s a big ask Taiere but a very sensible one! However, don’t hold your breath.
  Everything you want, most sensible NZers also want but most won’t happen because you’re rocking the boat out of tune with the current Govt’s agenda for a segregated race-based socialist NZ.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In a Socialist Country you don’t get that. You will get what the Tyrant says you will get.
  Let me know if you ever find the place you want.
  
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  July 2, 2022 12:00pm
kevn

@Maggie… Is he what is called a disruptor?
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July 2, 2022 10:05am
Benedict Yu

I wonder who is the person who down ticks every post? What a tedious job. 😂
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July 2, 2022 10:21am
- Maggie Pie
  
  It’s an old-queen living alone in the Hutt who suffers from Dissociative-Identity-Disorder.
  Commonly referred to as …Cluster A, B, & C.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are about 5 of them – all the same person.
  
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  July 2, 2022 12:01pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9AQ7971ito

Tony Blair-Again.
Tony Blair has said that Brexit is here to stay for at least a generation. [2:50]
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July 2, 2022 10:27am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEklv3SwY4M
Farmers 1 WEF 0.

Everyone will support them when they are hungry and their govt is offering them cricket burgers and grasshopper fries. [0:45]
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July 2, 2022 10:28am
oldfella

Hmm. Kelvin Davis reading the tea leaves perhaps?
Aotearoa ‘not ready’ for compulsory te reo Māori
The minister responsible for Māori education fears there would be a “backlash” should the Government make te reo Māori a compulsory part of the curriculum.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/129137886/kelvin-davis-aotearoa-not-ready-for-compulsory-te-reo-mori
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July 2, 2022 10:29am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Kelvin should read the tea leaves and go and see that the backlash has started. People are now fed up with the continual Maorification of everything and the pidgin language that we have to put up with on TV and Radio,
  
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  July 2, 2022 2:13pm
- Swifty
  
  What subjects will suffer, and students become even more deficient in, if increasing parts of the school day will be diverted to Te Reo?
  
  English? Maths? Science?
  
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  July 2, 2022 3:00pm
curry4me

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/not-laughing-now-wood-burning-stoves-firewood-short-supply-germany-citizens-fear-freezing-death-due-gas-shortages/
Alternative Heating Sources at a Premium in Germany.

Wood-burning stoves and firewood have become scarce nationwide in the wake of the Ukraine war. Furnace builders and installers can hardly save themselves from orders from concerned customers who want to install an additional heating option in their house or apartment.
“When the war broke out, demand exploded,” says a spokesman for the Central Association for Sanitary, Heating and Air Conditioning (ZVSHK) in Sankt Augustin on request.
But even a stove does not guarantee a warm living room next winter: because the firewood dealers are also faced with a nationwide rush of customers and can no longer meet the exorbitantly increased demand in many places. “The market is empty,” says Gerd Müller, head of the office of the Federal Firewood Association in Kamen. [Maybe German children would welcome a lump of coal in their stocking this year? How long before ‘globull warming’/’climate change’/’climate emergency’ fade away? Will Greta be at the next G20?]
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July 2, 2022 10:30am
- cjn
  
  It was the sanctioning of Russian oil and gas that EU imposed that has caused the problems.
  
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  July 2, 2022 8:35pm
NK

Absolutely brilliant from Jordan Peterson following his Twitter suspension.

https://youtu.be/UYfKWQqvFac
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July 2, 2022 10:36am
- David Garrett
  
  NK: Jesus…you listened to a whole 14 minutes of that? I gave up after five…
  
  But then I couldn’t care less about the inanity that is “Twitter”
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:10am
  - NK
    
    David, you’re smart enough to figure out the issue is not a ban or suspension from Twitter. Rather it is the marxist swing toward “correct” language. It’s prevalent around the world now. It’s a very, very serious issue, and by dismissing this because it’s Jordan Peterson, you are playing into their hands completely.
    
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    July 2, 2022 12:34pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Peterson has become an insufferable blowhard. He is presented as a freethinking dissident to keep people from going off the liberal plantation too much. That is the purpose of the so-called “intellectual dark web”: controlled opposition that serves to keep people within the confines of acceptable discourse, while appearing to be outside those bounds.
  
  To the extent that authentically right wing personalities still exist on YT, for instance, Peterson’s videos are recommended if you start watching anything too spicy and actually right wing. The social media purge of right wing dissidents began in 2017 or thereabouts, once it became clear that this was the main threat to established power and their ideology, so the fact that its taken five years to be censored on Twitter indicates how unthreatening to the dominant ideology he is. There are many fundamental issues that he will not touch, hence he is given a pass.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:54am
oldfella

Mahuta’s opening address to the Otago Foreign Policy School… Remember, this person represents us on the international stage.
The topic for this year is Space.
Given that we are in the phase of Matariki it’s only fitting that we call on ngā tātai arorangi – the wisdom of the universe and space – to discuss how Aotearoa New Zealand might consider its inclusion into our foreign policy, and our approach to international engagement.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/otago-foreign-policy-school-opening-address
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July 2, 2022 11:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Incredible. Anyone else you would assume it was some kind of stand up comedy skit.
  
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  July 2, 2022 4:17pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Well it made me laugh. What a goofball.
    
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    July 2, 2022 6:18pm
- curry4me
  
  Bugger me! Bit of a comedown from “It shall be the goal of this administration to put a man on the moon by the end of this decade”. Let alone “We choose to go to the moon”.
  
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  July 2, 2022 4:24pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Take out the mumbo jumbo and how great the Maoris were the English speech is quite good.
  
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  July 2, 2022 4:51pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

An interesting question in The Spectator….

“Is Labour basically a subversive government white-anting New Zealand?”

https://spectator.com.au/2022/07/incompetence-and-corruption/
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July 2, 2022 11:20am
- pdm
  
  MP – I think the `is’ should be placed after Labour.
  
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  July 2, 2022 11:50am
- mawm
  
  It appears that the same is occurring in the US, Canada, Victoria and other Western liberal democracies.
  
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  July 2, 2022 5:39pm
Master Mariner

I could not understand why European Navy was doing excerscises near the Taiwan Straight a few months back.
Now we know why.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/04/09/nato-asia-pacific-china-russia/
And,
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1269182.shtml
“NATO, a legacy of the Cold War, is increasingly extending its reach beyond Europe, to the Asia-Pacific region particularly, where it hopes to play a more prominent role, suppressing the development and influence of Russia and China, Yuan added.”

This has got the potential to be the “Mother of all Cold Wars”.

If you add all the BRICS and throw in Venezuela and Iran and who else wants to join then that’s one hell of a lot of Oil and Gas Tied up not too mention other commodities.

The Question is ” Why are we not informed” ?
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July 2, 2022 11:25am
- NoFax
  
  Global Times is not just connected to the CCP – it is literally a wing of the CCP. This is not a newspaper article but a press release from the CCP. So you are taking the CCP as a source – this is not an exaggeration like many here do with Radio NZ or One News. The Global Times is one of the mouth pieces of the CCP. Using them as a source as though it was providing the “full picture” or an “alternative view” is either ignorant or disingenuous.
  
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  July 2, 2022 10:08pm
BeaB

I know we are forbidden to comment on Ardern’s clothes because she’s a woman and it’s misogyny etc (yawn) but the white dress she wore to Downing St is interesting for several reasons.
First of all, it is almost identical to one worn worn by the Duchess of Cambridge. Designed by Emilia Wickstead it costs about NZ$3000.
Did she really spend that much on 0ne dress?
Or was it a gift?
Was it an original Wickstead or a cheaper copy?
In other words, was she wearing a rip off?

Ardern usually looks as though she has rushed out the house without time to brush her hair or do more than pull on a coat. It’s an artfully dowdy look.

So this dress is a departure from frumpy PM. Some may think it looks like an old-fashioned nurse’s uniform.

I just want to know – was it an extravagance, a gift or a rip-off?

I bet no-one asks.
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July 2, 2022 12:17pm
- Colville
  
  Beab.
  Cindy earns $500,000 a year. I would be very surprised if she didnt spend 10% of that on clothes and shoes.
  You appear to be judging her against your own low standards? or envy?
  I dont like her as a PM but get a grip.
  
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  July 2, 2022 12:47pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Cindy earns $500,000 a year.”
    Correction: Cindy GETS PAID $500,000 a year.
    
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    July 2, 2022 2:14pm
    - Colville
      
      I concede the point Sir!
      
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      July 2, 2022 3:22pm
Nickc2

These self-appointed Labour BS peddlers don’t give up easily eh? Paddy Gower is still sowing seeds if division within the National Party using Luxon’s views on abortion.
I wonder what the Govt paid Gower for this BS.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz?refurl=%2fen-nz%2fnews%2fnational%2fi-would-lie-awake-at-night-worrying-about-it-luxon-s-abortion-views-could-cost
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July 2, 2022 2:11pm
BeaB

$3000 is a lot to spend on a dress. Especially when times are tough. I doubt she spends $50,000 a year on clothes and shoes.
I envy neither her job nor her clothes which I generally think are dowdy.
But I do question the cost, especially if it is a gift. Is it declared? If it is a rip-off then that is a whole other story.
Gifting and clothing copies are both issues of ethics.
Just because it is a dress makes the issues no different from sports tickets, cheating on expenses or telling lies.
Just because she is a woman shouldn’t stop us asking, especially as the dress is already in a Daily Mail story.
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July 2, 2022 2:37pm
- Colville
  
  Playing the woman and not the policies costs National tens of thousands of votes from (mainly) women.
  
  People need to STFU about her appearance, clothes, hair, teeth, and the fact that she is a she.
  
  If we fight the fight on policy we will trash them. Jacinda got 37% in 2017 (about a 15% bump in 3 months) on the basis of being young and female. Take that away and they have nothing.
  
  Just my 2 cents.
  
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  July 2, 2022 5:36pm
- MCōs
  
  Who pays for Winston’s thousand dollar suits?
  (& or the op shop ones Boris wears?)
  
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  July 2, 2022 6:02pm
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    His rich missus?
    
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    July 2, 2022 9:35pm
rouppe

Maori names for everywhere is the same bollocks from the same people that say Maori had no concept of property before the white man came visiting.

No concept of property? Taonga was valued, therefore was important as a possession. Possessions are property. Not to mention iwi moving on in on other iwi and taking their fishing grounds, hunting grounds, gardens, women… No concept of property my arse.
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July 2, 2022 4:09pm
- MCōs
  
  “No concept of property my arse.”
  I’m still trying to figure that out.
  
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  July 2, 2022 6:04pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Slaves were property. The gangs understand that.
  
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  July 2, 2022 6:22pm
Maggie Pie

Just another reason I encourage all the girls at tennis to carry a can of caustic Oven-Spray on their person…..

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1542890682251108357

The best thing you would have seen today. Nite all 😀
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July 2, 2022 7:48pm
[email protected]

Someone please tell me why some posts have a yellow background and some have a red background.

I have really tried to figure this out by looking at and the links at the bottom of the page and have not been able to figure it out.

Apparently if a post gets a number of positive clicks a yellow background appears. If a post gets a number of negative clicks a red background appears.

I have tried to correlate these phenomenon but can’t reconsile these rules.

I thought that maybe the ratio of positive likes vs the ratio of negative likes created these results but that doesn’t work either.

Please educate me.

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Tauhei Notts

Have a look at Cactus Kate.
Possibly one of her best posts ever.
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