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krazykiwi

There is no question in my mind that the “we’re going to vaccinate our way out of Covid-19” narrative is falling apart, and rapidly. The increasing rates of infection, the attenuating personal protection, the non-existent sterilisation, the vaccine injuries, the damaged immune systems, the fertility reductions and so on. Even the most resourceful vaccinator cabals are struggling to keep this gathering storm of inconvenient data from showing that their mantra-like, strenuous assertions of safety and efficacy have been utterly fraudulent.

As infection rates continue to soar across the most vaccinated countries there is only so much doubling down these vaccinators can do before the metaphorical pitchforks start to appear as open carry in the alt and mainstream media. By my judgement leaders like Ardern will now be looking anxiously for an exit, and for her and most of her ilk that means engaging their army of spinmeisters to find, or to manufacture some unsuspecting group to throw under the bus.

But who? The ‘unvaccinated’ can’t be blamed because the evidence of their immune response being stronger that those of those jabbed multiple times is now beyond reasonable debate. No, that dog just won’t hunt again.

My theory is that the new group will be the ‘unmasked’.

Here’s how I see it playing out: Ardern will increase masking demands while simultaneously removing the heavy penalties currently imposed on establishments that fail to enforce these. This removal will be explained as “believing that our businesses know what’s needed” or “trusting our people to do what’s right” or some such flannel. Her hope will be, of course, that businesses do not enforce the masking mandates and that people increasingly ditch the face nappies, thereby swelling the ranks of the newly unmasked, all of whom can be designated disease-spreaders and thereafter blamed for the BA.4 or BA.5 Covid wave, and the next, and the next.

The unwitting unmasked will be blamed, rather than the fixated/OAS afflicted immune systems of millions of people who took Ardern, Bloomfield and the rent-an-expert clowns at their word about the safety and efficacy of Pfizer’s experimental genetic injectables.

Just a theory. If it comes to pass, remember where you heard it first.
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July 9, 2022 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I doubt she will remove mask mandates. If it was voluntary, maybe 5 percent of people would wear masks. There goes control.
  
  I visit the New Brighton Hot pools. “Swimming pools” are exempt from the mask mandate. But the changing rooms are covered. There are signs saying wear masks. Of course there is nobody going in to check. I have not seen a single person wearing a mask.
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:19am
  - David George
    
    I was in Rarotonga recently, I didn’t see anyone wearing masks apart from at the airport and it’s staff and one unhealthy looking fat tourist. It was great; they’re living, not dying, there.
    
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    July 9, 2022 8:28am
    - Ross Campbell
      
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      I have to wonder if you have actually ever set foot in the Cook Islands making a comment like “They are living not dying”.
      All health indicators for the country would say your observation is wrong.
      
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      July 9, 2022 8:35am
      - David Garrett
        
        Ross: Would you like to elaborate? As far as I know, the Cooks have been almost entirely free of Covid…so what is the “dying” you are referring to? From obesity related diseases perhaps? But then again as far I am aware, obesity is much less of a problem there than in Samoa or Tonga.
        
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        July 9, 2022 8:44am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        As I said DG all health indicators.
        Obesity, diabetes etc.
        If David George believes the Cook Islands is healthier than NZ then I have a bridge to sell him.
        
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        July 9, 2022 8:52am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Life expectancy 75 years in Cook Islands.
        
        https://countrymeters.info/en/Cook_Islands#:~:text=Total%20life%20expectancy%20(both%20sexes,Affairs%20of%20the%20United%20Nations).
        
        I have been to Samoa and Rarotonga. My observation is that obesity is more prevalent in Samoa.
        
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        July 9, 2022 9:45am
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene: Have you ever been to Tonga? The late Tongan King weighed over 250kg at his heaviest…mind you, he was also 6 foot five, and Tongans have been established as the biggest – not necessarily the fattest – people in the world.
        
        The late Jonah Lomu was only a bit above average size; you see guys bigger than him in every bar in Tonga on a Saturday night.
        
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        July 9, 2022 9:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes Mike
        
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        July 9, 2022 10:32am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Ben, I had a long holiday in Samoa in 2001. I remember thinking how few fat people there were there and I was chatting with the son (educated in the States) of a village chief on Savaii, and he said that generally, the only really obese people were the families of Chiefs. Times must have changed!
        
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        July 9, 2022 10:44am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        The major difference between a Tongan and a Samoan is about 2 days sailing.
        
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        July 9, 2022 11:37am
      - krazykiwi
        
        DG, I read a book recently on the science of appetite. One section focused on genetic and epigenetic influences on size and strength noting that the long sea voyages to populate the islands favoured the large/fat/strong, with the other weaker travelers – up to 30% – dying en route. This has let to a gene pool that is biased towards fat storage as a means of welfare. It was an interesting book.
        
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        July 9, 2022 11:43am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        KK – that science will be deemed as racist – it’s imperative we place higher taxes on sugar
        
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        July 9, 2022 11:51am
      - David Garrett
        
        Blackie: You don’t mention the other major “difference” between the Samoans and the Tongans…Way back in the day the Tongan empire encompassed all of Samoa and an good chunk of the eastern Fiji Islands…which is why wit a bit of piss in them the Tongans start taunting you guys, and you guys respond in traditional Polynesian fashion, and it’s all on…but then of course you know all that…
        
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        July 9, 2022 12:05pm
      - David George
        
        Yes Ross, got back on Sunday. Sure they have issues with things like diabetes but people seemed to be enjoying life, not cowering behind their next to useless masks. They had one death with covid according to the locals.
        
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        July 9, 2022 12:23pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Blackie: You don’t mention the other major “difference” between the Samoans and the Tongans.
        
        Way back in the day the Tongan empire encompassed all of Samoa and an good chunk of the eastern Fiji Islands…
        
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        Gimli : That doesn’t even make sense.
        
        Not to mention the Tongan Empire was sandwiched between 2 periods of Samoan rule or that the ruling elite of Tonga and Fiji traced their lineage to Samoa.
        
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        July 9, 2022 12:45pm
      - I remember when
        
        Sorry David Garrett reported in error.
        Was going to add Nauru.
        
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        July 9, 2022 1:34pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Hypothesis: widespread obesity among Tongans, Samoans and Maori, plus a higher proclivity to physical violence among these groups as compared to the Europeans, are both due to low impulse control.
        
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        July 9, 2022 1:56pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Hypothesis: widespread obesity among Tongans, Samoans and Maori, plus a higher proclivity to physical violence among these groups as compared to the Europeans, are both due to low impulse control.
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        Haha…not even owww!!!
        
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        July 9, 2022 6:21pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        RR: “Hypothesis: widespread obesity among Tongans, Samoans and Maori, plus a higher proclivity to physical violence among these groups as compared to the Europeans, are both due to low impulse control.”
        
        I think it’s more about everyday modern culture within subsets of those groups.
        
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        July 10, 2022 2:26am
  - krazykiwi
    
    What I’m suggesting is that at some point tyrants realise that self-preservation is more valuable to them than continued control. As people realised that her control has driven us into the current mess they will increasingly turn on her, and as this happens she will need to shift the blame.
    
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    July 9, 2022 8:36am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      So she will say I told you to wear masks but you didn’t so it is your fault? Won’t that just piss voters off?
      
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      July 9, 2022 9:46am
      - krazykiwi
        
        “We did the best we could, but some amongst us thought they knew better. They must take the blame for these infections and deaths. However I’m proud to stand alongside the majority of New Zealanders who have tried to keep themselves and their communities safe by wearing masks.” Ardern, sometime in 2023
        
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        July 9, 2022 11:47am
    - dannz
      
      Covid isn’t news anymore, no-one is paying any attention.
      It’s all about cost of living now. That’s where the pitchforks will be coming from.
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:22am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yes once the sheeple zombies wake up to the fact that the lovely sounding lefty delusions create much greater personal hardship, they’ll become “conservative” and throw their once loved delusional clown leaders under the bus.
        
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        July 9, 2022 3:03pm
  - JerJer
    
    I haven’t worn a mask for months. Got the mask exemption so I could travel in planes no masks and no worries. The only people that seem to ask these are customs and airline staff. They always get the same answer. Yes, I have an exemption or no, your not permitted to see it or ask about it. Otherwise, no one else asks. I have noticed people that I know that were previously mask wearers not doing it any more and I ask “did you get an exemption finally”. The answer I get now, is, no, just decided not to do it any more. More and more people like this, and the enforcers at the supermarkets and stores have basically given up. Great to see.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:24am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I have to say KK the shear madness of your Covid posts and the venom with which they are delivered is pretty much unmatched on here except maybe for your sidekick Clan.
  You definitely have a career in print awaiting you but probably more in the fictional creative writing market.
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Ross could have a career in a wool shed.
    
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    July 9, 2022 8:42am
    - I remember when
      
      kowtow:
      You have used too many e’s in career.
      
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      July 9, 2022 1:42pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Might need be to your liking Ross, but KK is a legend in these parts for maintaining an enquiring mind and having the stones to back his words. The tick situation would indicate. Are you a Labour Party plant? Even if not people like you who choose to spend so much time where they’re clearly not fitting in baffle me. Must be such a negative existence.
    
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    July 9, 2022 8:55am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      1.”The tick situation would indicate”.
      Your joking right, if you honestly believe the tick system has any validity to really reflect truth or fiction then your more gullible than I thought.
      2.Am I a Labour Party plant.
      Not worth denying because people on here make up their own reality anyway.
      3.As for fitting in, well downticks don’t bother me as I collect them but in a broader sense playing follow the leader and having a big back slapping session like some others on here each day is not really my thing so it kind of suits me here.
      If you think this blog is anything other than pure entertainment then you obviously have not worked out its real machinations.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:33pm
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    So, play the man not the argument. How evolved of you.
    
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    July 9, 2022 8:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Morning Mike – I have to admit, there is one thing I love about your posts, the religiously consistent irrelevance and inanity of your comments.
    
    Have you EVER responded with a counter argument or pov? Even once? I’m just asking because I’m relatively new around here and I certainly can’t remember a post where you actually came up with a rational counter argument to what the poster in question had presented.
    
    Saying that, like most people, I do enjoy some measure of consistency and your vacuous comments certainly are the bench mark!
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:00am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Your not still packing a sad about the moderators and your deleted post are you because you and your couple of hangers on seemed a bit emotional about it all last night on GD?.
      Not sure where you live but if you are near a Countdown they have tissues on special this week if it helps at all.
      Be a nice guy and send a box to the other two guys as well.
      
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      July 9, 2022 9:13am
    - Matt Long
      
      Mike has indeed offered some insightful posts, I would say about 1 in 200 posts actually contain useful information, maybe 1 in 500.
      The rest of the time he pretends to be an incel in his underpants in Mama’s basement on her computer, why?
      Whatever rocks your world I guess.
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:31am
    - iMP
      
      That’s because every day is Inane Troll Something Irrelevant Day.
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:58am
  - igm
    
    Are you the councillor who got the bums rush in Horowhenua? If you are it is no wonder.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:21am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Well according to alot of posters I’m not Ross Campbell but some guy called Mike so I guess I’m not the councillor you refer too.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:16pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t agree with all KK’s views but I don’t recall much venom. He backs up most of his claims with citations. You can go to those cited sources and refute them if you think he is mistaken.
    
    Note that by “refute” I am not referring to the verb as interpreted by Jacinda.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:50am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I think her version is spelt “refude”.
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Mike
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:35am
- Simon
  
  Is Luxon still impatient with the unjaxxed? Can any National party type update their hero.
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:28am
  - coge
    
    Luxon, steadfast in his determination, wanted solo mums to loose their benefit. Should they refuse to have their children jabbed.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That was when he was not an MP, but why should the rest of people lose jobs but not beneficiaries
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:05pm
      - coge
        
        The only ones who should lose their jobs are those who prosecuted their agenda of widespread segregation. Against the people of NZ.
        
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        July 9, 2022 1:50pm
- Simon
  
  Zero covid National/ Labour clown show get all their orders from GAE. It’s not going well at the moment with GAE. So nothing much will happen here.
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon stated in early December it’s time to drop mandates and open to the world, he was only elected leader November 30. Do not forget mandates were never voted on, but dictated by Labours cabinet.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:11am
    - leoj
      
      te reo, the chief fence sitter, can SAY all he likes.
      
      So far he has gone along with Labour’s policies and was the chief cowerer during the protests.
      
      Open your eyes G. He’s a sap, planted by non-conservative Key.
      
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      July 9, 2022 3:20pm
    - mawm
      
      Has he expressed his opposition to the QR code vax passports yet? I’m not interested in the minor let’s pretend that we are fighting for you while continuing with the WEF/WHO/NWO.
      
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      July 9, 2022 5:51pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    GAE? Never heard of that one, the all acronym website had some interesting suggestions, but I’m guessing you don’t mean Granulomatous Amoebic Encephalitis.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:51am
  - DimChappie
    
    GAE?
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:39am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    GAE? Gyno-centric Activist Elitists?
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:10pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  If anyone you know attempts to defend mask wearing as being in any meaningful way, effective against aerosol based viruses, refer them to this link. It has all the information needed to prove their thinking is fallacious. It is comprehensive.
  
  https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/
  
  If they continue defending mask wearing it might be time to reconsider your relationship with them.
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Just to note, I understand there are those who have been doing this due to deliberate use of psychological manipulation which is a disgusting action by any government. I am not criticising those people. I am criticising those who attempt to defend masks as being an effective defence against an aerosol based virus. They aren’t.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:23am
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      Legit masks worn properly, combined with social distancing are proven to be effective against spreading and contracting Covid.
      
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7883189/
      
      Perhaps you might want to reconsider your relationship with Swiss Policy Research.
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Policy_Research
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:30am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Cloth and Blue style masks (IE not N95) are about 3% effective. The virus laden aerosols (IE the stuff that will steam up a mirror) wizz straight through the pores of those masks and out the sides. Basically illogical.
        
        It’s an aerosol spread virus. So distancing and ventilation makes the most sense.
        
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        July 9, 2022 2:12pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Attempting to malign an off-narrative blog by citing Wikipedia is like taking a flaccid noodle to a machete fight. The linked post enumerates more that 30 pieces of solid evidence to refute your cherry-picked study. I you want to mask up, then be my guest. But don’t expect others to buy into the scam.
        
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        July 9, 2022 2:28pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        BWAV, that Jan 2021 study you cited includes this:
        
        The current research results have shown that COVID‐19 is mainly transmitted via droplets in the air
        
        Of course this is completely incorrect: Transmission is almost exclusively via aerosols. Attempting to stop aerosols with a surgical mask is like trying to stop the Waikato River with a sieve.
        
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        July 9, 2022 2:42pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        “Malign an off narrative blog” = nutter blog.
        The Swiss Policy Research blog is so dishonest that they don’t even declare who they are so in reality they might not even be Swiss.
        I suspect the lack of transparency comes from the fact that if they actually identified themselves and showed their credentials they would be exposed as a fraud.
        
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        July 9, 2022 3:06pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You realise Wikipedia is a far left propaganda platform run by anonymous lefty smear merchants?
        
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        July 10, 2022 1:39am
    - NK
      
      https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/covid-19-use-face-masks-community/covid-19-advice-people-who-have-difficulties-wearing-face-mask#apply
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:40am
  - Mike H S
    
    Thank you. A very good report with references and a very good video demo. I shall circulate it.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The video by Dr. Theodore Noel is excellent. I don’t think anyone could refude that
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Facebook says it is false and covered it.
    I know where I stand.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:03am
  - surfing
    
    Quoted directly from your link …
    Limitation:
    Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.
    
    Another…
    This trial was unable to provide conclusive evidence on facemask efficacy against viral respiratory infections most likely due to poor adherence to protocol
    
    Another…
    This trial found ILI rates were 13 times higher in Vietnamese hospital workers allocated to cloth masks compared to medical/surgical masks, RR 13.25, (95%CI 1.74 to 100.97) and over three times higher when compared to no masks
    
    You conspiracy whackos, you either post fake news from dodgy.com. Or you post real science but cherry pick a quote out of context. But you get quickly found out (as above).
    
    My partner wears a mask around seriously ill covid patients… hasn’t caught covid, nor have her colleagues caught it from work (usually from their children). How do you explain that if masks are ineffective?
    
    I’ll never believe you as you still believe in ivermectin and HCQ. HCQ is thoroughly discredited by non-Trump supporters, ivermectin still going through trials so you can’t claim one way or another.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:46pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “I’ll never believe you as you still believe in ivermectin and HCQ.” ………next minute….”ivermectin still going through trials so you can’t claim one way or another”
      
      It appears you have no idea of what you are talking about.
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:28pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      You do yourself a disservice with talk of ‘belief’ in what is supposed to be science , and supposedly politically aligned ‘discrediting’
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:52pm
    - leoj
      
      How come the triple vaxxed and the masked are the ones contracting Covid?
      
      Natural immunity is working far better.
      
      The sheep were conned.
      
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      July 9, 2022 3:16pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  hmmmm indeed…
  
  And is the western world seeing the consequences of the lock downs, medical system deferrals of cancer, heart etc diagnosis & treatment in a spike in excess mortality compared to the pre-covid numbers?
  
  Dr. John Campbell on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f45S6vmQgA
  
  The response by the western countries in lock step with each other, bar Sweden, means something very odd has happen – a hysteria? a failure of the entrenched bureaucracies all copy catting each others methods? or something more sinister? A mix of all these factors – probably…
  
  I don’t know what drove the response, but the stench of greed for money and power lies heavy across the whole last 2 and half plus years of Covid 19 management by Governments across the West.
  
  Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever know – no government sponsored inquiry will uncover the truth while Labour has the Treasury benches and any National government initiated inquiry will just be shout down by the Left as a jack up to smear St J of the Pox.
  
  Politics will kill the truth and so we will be primed to repeat all the stupid mistakes of the last few years and we will not hold to account the mismanagement at a political and public service leadership level.
  
  What a clusterxxxx the whole thing has been. If we had let it ride through society while taking reasonable precautions to protect the vulnerable and get people to boost their natural immunity instead maybe we would be in a much better position from both a health and financial perspective…
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:44am
- pdm
  
  In my view it will take a change of Government to get rid of masks.
  
  The current love the feeling of control masks give them far far too much.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    pdm – we visited a close older relative for a spell a couple of weeks ago. They religiously wear their mask, they don’t like it but they are from that era where you trust the government etc. My wife spent a week with them and every time they entered a business she did so without a mask and without a problem. For the first 4 or 5 days the relative would pretend they had left something at the car and wouldn’t go into the shop with my wife. We quickly realised she was embarrassed in case there was a confrontation. As we now know, it’s all part of the psychology and gross manipulation.
    The good news is that by the end of a week our relative walked into a shop with my wife and didn’t even have the mask in their hand! A small win, but very pleasing, and the more we do this and lead by example, the sooner this tyranny ends.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:14am
    - surfing
      
      They trust scientists. Good for them to keep a wide berth from your nutty views.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:48pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You do realise academia is largely corrupted by woke narrative pushing nutters?
        
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        July 9, 2022 2:20pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        “Academia is corrupted by narrative pushing nutters”.
        You are confusing things with this blog.
        
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        July 9, 2022 3:09pm
  - rouppe
    
    They love the feeling of self righteousness. A Jacinda fan I know religiously wears makes on the train to work and laments those – including my son on his way to school – who do not.
    
    She’s been hard to say “I’m protecting everyone else”. Not in my hearing unfortunately otherwise I’d ask why she was on the train while feeling sick.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:22am
  - quarterpack
    
    Yawn….is this a worthy topic? Would anyone seriously consider changing the way they vote on wearing of a disposable face mask from time to time?.
    Please don’t bother to explain what vast conspiracy is connected to the wearing of facemasks, I have probably read it 10x before
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:19am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      While you’re obviously a drumstick short of a quarterpack, the issue if not about “wearing a disposable face mask from time to time”, it’s about being required to wear a disposable face mask from time to time, even when there is no evidence to support this requirement.
      
      You may do as you are told for no obvious reason, but we aren’t all as unthinking and gullible as you are.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:34pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    I hate this passive attitude: just wait until someone else makes it the case. I haven’t worn a mask since about November, I am completely unvaccinated and I have not had Covid (as far as I know, so if I have had it without my knowledge, that says it all).
    
    I don’t know your approach, but the way to get rid of mask requirements (or any other draconian Covid measure) is to simply ignore it: stop wearing them. The main factor maintaining any of this is public compliance. In fact, practically no laws or regulations are enforceable if compliance is absent.
    
    You may not realise it, but the extent of your participation and your potential power in our so-called democracy exceeds impotently voting every three years – exercise your democratic power through your everyday actions (or inactions, in this case).
    
    If everyone dissents, then the rules will be dropped: they cannot have open rebellion, so they will have to respond in the only way they can, which is by removing the rule in question (thereby, nobody will be breaking the rule any longer).
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:35am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      What a hero.
      Your individual act of rebellion has been noted and the government is considering their response as I write.
      
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      July 9, 2022 3:13pm
- kowtow
  
  The health fascists are already at it.
  
  You can’t have unbridled enjoyment. Where’s Oliver Cromwell when you need him.
  
  “University of Otago Wellington epidemiologist Prof Michael Baker echoed Dr Atmore’s concerns at the impact the test could have on southern case numbers.
  
  “Hopefully people will wear masks but remember it’s not the big crowd, it’s all the things that surround that, like queuing for food, packing into venues like pubs before and afterwards, and public transport.
  
  “There is no question that there will be a lot of sharing of the virus associated with that event.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/health/revellers-urged-consider-others
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:11am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Masks or not, a full house in an enclosed stadium will undoubtedly be a spreader event. Not to mention packed pubs etc.
    
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    July 9, 2022 5:31pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  I’d love to believe that the narrative is changing. But reality is that the overwhelming majority are still masking and boosting.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:17am
  - leoj
    
    If you are correct (and you are when it comes to old peoples’ abject fear), then we can expect another three years of this mob.
    
    Mask wearers are Cindy supporters.
    
    Mask wearers are morons.
    
    Labour voters are morons.
    
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    July 9, 2022 3:11pm
- [email protected]
  
  Jacinda can always say that the government trusted the experts, who were wrong, and throw them under the bus.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:19am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    That would still be a good start, though. Any “expert” who is wrong about nearly everything should be under the nearest bus.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:39pm
- kevn
  
  @kk… No need for self fulfilling prophesies.
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:25am
- NK
  
  KK, I don’t know you, never met you, don’t know anything about you. But I would like to thank you sincerely for the logical sanity your comments provide here on the Covid sham/scam. I agree with them almost always. Don’t believe that your type/our type have no following: We/they are present in large numbers but in a lot of situations are forced into silence. Kia kaha mate. Keep it up.
  
  BTW everyone, go to the Covid 19 MOH website and apply for your mask exemption. I got mine a long long time ago and proudly display it when catching planes or going to places where the mask Nazis are present. You just need an email address and perhaps a MyHealth account. Please do it and start changing things.
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thank for the kudos, NK. Appreciated.
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:45am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Big thanks from me too KK – discovered KB about 3 years ago and found I wasn’t alone in my perception of what was unfolding nationally and globally. Have enjoyed reading your posts.
      
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      July 9, 2022 11:01am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    NK – by applying for mask exemption papers that one does not require to be mask exempt we are still bolstering their system.
    
    I wear no mask.
    
    I will not carry their damned papers.
    
    Do not forget – Mandates are still in force for health and aged care workers.
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:53am
  - Bridgenag
    
    I totally agree Thanks KK
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Done, it was very easy. I guess they will look and my NHI file, they are welcome.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:13am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    “…but in a lot of situations are forced into silence.”
    
    Not really. In most cases, silence is self-imposed. Always say what you think and act in accordance with what you think.
    
    BTW, mask exemptions are a terrible idea. You are buying into the control. Imagine going cap in hand to some bureaucrat for permission to not wear a mask. Unbelievable. Far from”changing things” you are solidifying things as they are.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:43am
    - JohnRidd
      
      Yes, mask exemptions are a terrible idea but I applied for one before I understood they were not necessary.
      
      The process of applying taught me that masks are optional.
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:25pm
  - kevn
    
    @NK… Yes, agree. kk’s reasoned comment always good.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:46am
- glowworm
  
  Be careful seeding ideas like this krazy!…
  
  If we could follow the money, I suspect this might provide a better indicator for what lies ahead.
  
  I thinks it’s pretty clear that Pfizer was able to control the narrative through funding the MSM and, directly, or indirectly, “experts”. This certainly occurred in the US and likely elsewhere. And still is.
  
  This control of public opinion has highlighted the amazing lack of any real principaled leadership in government. Instead we witnessed a totalitarian, poll following fearful government – the lot of them. Pretty difficult to respect that.
  
  So, Pfizer has played and so far won, big time. They took advantage of a fearful not-so-smart government through control of the media, experts and the health agencies.
  
  Do we know the contractual arrangements between government and Pfizer yet? that might help predict the future and likely next steps in the blame game about to erupt.
  
  I would be particularly worried if I were an “expert”. These are individuals who will be much easier to throw under the bus than a large pharmaceutical company with indemnity of a sweet contract in place…
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:38am
  - mawm
    
    They might have indemnity now but there is talk of fraudulent trials which will negate that.
    
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    July 9, 2022 6:43pm
artemisia

Steven Joyce on rental housing in the Herald today (paywalled). The net of his opinion piece – ”Suppressing the private rental market while artificially constraining the supply of social housing results in ridiculously long waiting lists and thousands of families living long-term in motels.”

– 500% increase in social housing waiting list since 2017
– The $12m ‘crisis’ on motel accommodation has become $1.2 billion
– Minister Sepuloni says not her fault, 9 years of neglect, or something
– Costs and risks for private landlords have unsurprisingly affected who are acceptable tenants in that sector

However, Labour might see an improvement in the rental housing sector if projected emigration happens. Pity that those heading out will be actual taxpayers
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July 9, 2022 8:07am
- artemisia
  
  Meanwhile Forced to raise a baby in motel room due to ‘double whammy of single-mum judgment and racism’
  
  Obviously not a money issue as those in the article have applied for many homes over months and years but not succeeding.
  
  Two words – risk assessment.
  
  One more word – Labour.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129201897/forced-to-raise-a-baby-in-motel-room-due-to-double-whammy-of-singlemum-judgment-and-racism
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:53am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The probability of a Maori single mum attracting arsehole boyfriends being as irrelevant as the school dropout rate of Maori boys.
    
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    July 9, 2022 1:20pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      With insane and divisive woke identity politics infesting every quarter it’s very easy to fall into their trap of categorising people by their outward racial/gender etc appearances. Don’t fall for it.
      
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      July 9, 2022 4:18pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Perhaps some of those young single Mums should be encouraged to flat together. Or look in their extended family, where there’s undoubtedly so much Aroha. Or the family of the father, ditto. In fact, anyone but the taxpayer.
    
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    July 9, 2022 5:36pm
- surfing
  
  I have always said the govt should never have started placing homeless people into motels and hotels.
  
  As Joyce says, so much for labour being kinder to to the poor.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:00am
  - Ian Boag
    
    the govt should never have started placing homeless people into motels and hotels.
    
    Drat – you’ve always said it and noone has been listening. Bloody useless MSM. Face it, what’s wrong with cars, garages and the street? People have been living that way for years ….
    
    Assuming that National win in 2023, I wonder what they will do about this problem. Mass evictions could be interesting ….
    
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    July 9, 2022 1:14pm
    - artemisia
      
      A different government could change the rental tenure rules as they have significantly increased risk to landlords.
      
      Half of those on the huge social housing waiting list are single people or couples, no children, mostly the former, and mostly of working age. Is anyone asking why, and what changed since 2017?
      
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      July 9, 2022 1:50pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yes National were shit on this issue when they had a (long) chance to address it. Then we have Labour being unfortunately too idealistic and clueless and having everything they touch turn to poo. ACT???
      
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      July 9, 2022 4:56pm
      - artemisia
        
        Certainly Labour and Greens were very vocal about a housing crisis. But actually looking back at the various numbers it wasn’t anything near the current situation, no longer called a crisis by Labour. Because they have created most of it.
        
        For example still hear that National sold off thousands of state houses. But do we ever hear what happened to those houses? Most of which were onsold to community housing providers at heavy discounts, and the CHPs took over their management while continuing to receive the income related rent subsidy. Then there were those passed over to developers like Panuku in Auckland for regeneration, or sold on market when there was no demand for them (location, size).
        
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        July 9, 2022 6:40pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Suppressing the private rental market
  
  It would be good if someone could come up with a (reliable) estimate of the extent to which the market has been “suppressed”. Numbers and all that.
  
  Market churn in existing rental properties doesn’t make a lot of difference to total supply. An existing property that can’t be sold as a rental presumably goes to a FHB. Again some reliable numbers would be good.
  
  The key factor for expanding the private rental market would be how much “build-to-rent” has been or is happening. AFAIK not much other than by KO … For example I don’t know of any in Palmerston North although there seem to be plenty of new “build-to-sell-to-owner” places being constructed.
  
  Go figure.
  
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  July 9, 2022 1:02pm
  - artemisia
    
    There is a lot of housing data out there, a lot of it from officials and regularly reported, eg HUD. Trademe has reported monthly for years on supply / demand based on their large numbers of listings. StatsNZ also reports on various aspects, including time to time number of empty homes.
    
    What in your opinion would constitute reliable numbers? For example how would you rate Trademe sale and rental listing numbers over time? For example their rental vacancy listings up 40% (about 3,000) Jan to June 2022. And how would that compare to the new additions to the social housing waiting list Jan to May 2022 – that would be about 7,300.
    
    Few numbers are apples and apples so some judgement needs to be applied.
    
    My view, there is a housing crisis and it is mainly the number of risky tenants.
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:06pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      What in your opinion would constitute reliable numbers?
      
      A fair question. The bottom line is how many “build-to-rent” units (houses/apartments/whatever) were added last year or the years before? The TradeMe stuff seems to me to be pretty much related to churn of exisiting stock.
      
      No doubt some “owned” stuff gets to be downgraded to rental. Again would be nice to know how much.
      
      I hear and understand your preoccupation with reliable tenants. The fact that you are able to be picky suggests that demand for rentals exceeds supply ….
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:46pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Why would you pay a fortune to buy to rent to a tenant you can’t evict with a government that hates you?
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:07pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      So you wouldn’t buy a rental property. Noone is holding a gun at your head. You probably would never have contemplated building one either. Fair enough, free country and all that.
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:49pm
      - artemisia
        
        The number of new builds for sale (Trademe) has doubled this year. Currently a smidge under 5,000, prob some off the plans. Behind most of those listings is a worried developer or builder – reported that a hundred or so have folded this year.
        
        Since about a third of homes are rentals, it would make sense to apply the same number here, though likely more than that would have been to rent.
        
        As I said not apples and apples, perhaps a trout in the milk.
        
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        July 9, 2022 3:35pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @artemisia
        
        Since about a third of homes are rentals, it would make sense to apply the same number here, though likely more than that would have been to rent.
        
        Bit of a wild guess really. Not what I would call a “reliable number”. But if it was, that would be 1500 units of newly-built rental housing. Drop in the bucket stuff ….
        
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        July 9, 2022 6:15pm
      - artemisia
        
        Yes maybe only a handful of new builds that were designated for rentals. But look at trends. That number doubled this year and rising each month. And the much larger total number of homes for sale (Trademe) up nearly 60% in 2022 so far and still rising. Some will be rentals, maybe a lot, and chances are landlords will not be buying them in numbers due to new tax rules, compliance costs and risks.
        
        Net emigration will help.
        
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        July 9, 2022 6:57pm
cas

It was interesting to catch RNZ’s country programme last night when they interviewed an Aussie expat who lives in Seminyak in Bali about foot and mouth in Bali. I can’t say I have heard much about it in other forms of the media.
He said there are NO vaccines for it in Bali and he was very concerned about the possibility of it being brought back to Aus ( and NZ) by tourists. As anyone who has been to Bali knows there is often no great separation of tourists and animals ( He said that pigs are twice as likely to transmit it).

Our own MPI is confident that its biosecurity measures are world class and that they are keeping an eye on it but if I was them I would be extremely worried. Tourists are starting to flood back to Bali. I would have a foot bath at the airport for anyone who had been there.
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July 9, 2022 8:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Foot and mouth exists in a few countries in the world without it making its way here, many South American countries, and a few Asian countries such as China, never before has a tourist brought in f&m
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:16am
- Oskar
  
  Here is a link to the interview.
  He said that the animals are wandering around everywhere – not just on farms – and the virus can live for up to 48 hours on shoes
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018848732/vet-warns-of-foot-and-mouth-risk-from-tourist-hotspot
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:30am
- Mike H S
  
  And the present G20 meeting there could help to spread it worldwide. Another “pandemic” in the making??
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:55am
Swifty

We will become the laughing stock of the scientific world:

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/07/05/indigenous-psychiatry-how-valuable-is-it/

Thanks Labour.
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July 9, 2022 8:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Just to point out to anyone who hasn’t read it, it’s quite a good article and critiques the whole idea in a reasonable and measured way. A rarity these days, balance in writing!
  
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  July 9, 2022 8:54am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    From the article…. “Not so well known to non-Māori is their tradition of using the moon and stars to help treat mental health issues.
    
    It’s called maramataka and will be incorporated into treatment by the new Māori Health Authority.”
    
    This is disgusting. We are funding astrology.
    
    This money could be used to train and employ psychiatrists.
    
    I’ll say it again. 6 months ago funding Maori astrologers in the health system would have been satire. And here it is.
    
    No doubt many health professionals think this is rubbish. But if they speak up they will be called racists.
    
    I have no issue with people going to astrologers or witch doctors if they want. So long as they pay.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:59am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Just an addendum. I would be happy for mental health treatment bases on the stars and lunar cycle to be funded. If there are clinical trials that show that Maori being given such treatment have superior outcomes to conventional treatments.
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:08pm
  - oldfella
    
    Clan, so balanced I’m sure the horrid and stuffed will be falling over themselves to run it. //
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:24am
- Stellaboxer
  
  And I thought poetry for cows was peak bs under Clark’s clown show. Micky mouse is wearing a watch with NZ on it I hear North island is the hour hand and south the minute.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:05am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Swiftly When it doesn’t work it will be because it wasn’t funded sufficiently.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:11am
  - Swifty
    
    That’s always the way.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:11pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  That ship has well and truly sailed, Swifty, thanks to the “Royal Society of NZ” deciding to persecute two members for pointing out the inconvenient but indisputable truth that Maori creation myths, sky fairies, island-catching fisherman tales and assorted pagan rituals and mumbo-jumbo is not actually science.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:56am
  - iMP
    
    No no the myths are true. Try this one…
    
    There was no colonisation or slavery, oppression, genocide, internecine war of Maori by Maori. To the point that these absences by the mid-19th meant European colonisation of Maui’s fish and waka had no ENORMOUS benefits to the indigenous people, especially women and children. None at all.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:06am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Many indigenous oral traditions are very much based on scientific principles, moreso than what ol mate Luxon believes with his Christian fundy claptrap.
    
    An irrefutable fact is, your opinion is not an indisputable truth.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:30am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Blackie, you must end posts such as this with SARC so that we know you’re taking the pics. A good laugh, thanks.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:13pm
    - TS Child
      
      The important thing about science is that we constantly look for ways to prove we are wrong. This is at odds with preserving oral traditions. It’s not that there is no overlap, and it’s certainly not that oral traditions are worthless. It’s that proving them wrong is not really that useful to the people who value them. It doesn’t have to be science to be worthwhile knowledge. It doesn’t have to be science to be true. But if it’s science, it must be disprovable.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:24pm
    - Swifty
      
      I am absolutely open-minded about where therapies, treatments and medicines come from. As far as I’m concerned ‘medicine’ is medicine if it has been proven effective. I don’t care where it originates.
      
      The reason I’m aghast at this funding of ‘alternative’ therapies is the lack of rigorous testing to establish efficacy.
      
      Without it how can you possibly prove therapeutic benefit or that this money is well spent compared to existing therapies?
      
      Worse still, is the risk of harm to patients who may end up getting poor health outcomes from ineffective treatment and certainly when compared to patients receiving mainstream therapy.
      
      I am dumbfounded that the NZ Labour Party, who have lectured us for years about their pursuit of ‘evidence-based policy’ would proceed with untested and unverified mental health therapies and just accept at face value the claims of some vested interests that the efficacy of these treatments is guaranteed.
      
      Dumbfounded and appalled.
      
      If proponents of these therapies are so certain of their results then let’s put them to the test, as we test all other therapies, and let’s find out so that we can move forward with confidence.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:24pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes exactly. Same with homeopathy. There are no clinical trials that show it is effective relative to a placebo.
        
        Treating mental health based on lunar cycles seems implausible. To say the least. And if you ask for clinical trials you will be called racist.
        
        It would be easy. Get 1000 Maori with mental health problems. Divide them into two random groups. Do conventional therapies on one group. Lunar universe cosmos therapies on other group. Assess results after 6 months.
        
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        July 9, 2022 2:14pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Most seem to follow the unscientific principle that if you don’t believe and do as I say I’ll kill you.
      
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      July 9, 2022 1:14pm
    - Dave
      
      Is “based on scientific principles” like Hollywood based-on-fact films – 90% fiction, 10% fact?
      
      In the 16-18th centuries, modern science developed in Europe thanks to improved measurements made possible by metallurgy and glass blowing, a common written language (Latin), the printing press, mathematics, a wealthy leisure class, formal education, a growing body of critical experts supported by patrons, universities and the church, world exploration which challenged scholastic reverence for the wisdom of the ancients, language and concepts – facts, theory, experiment – and procedures for investigating and testing observation-based predictions and hypotheses.
      
      In those centuries science built a universal, unsurpassed, systematic method for uncovering truth and correcting untruths which far surpasses local, oral traditions, even those traditions which might contain an element of truth.
      
      Unless Luxon is proposing to spend $100m of taxpayers’ money on bogus health policies following his religious beliefs, his Christianity is not relevant.
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:10pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I agree with most of what you say – except the process you describe actually started in the 4th century AD – and if we want to be pedantic, it started in the 4th.c BC with Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and the other Greek philosophers.
        
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        July 9, 2022 4:54pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      And neither is yours Black neither is yours.
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:44pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I prefer to call him Brown with a Grievance. To be fair, it’s a completely made-up grievance, but he rides it like a good thing.
        
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        July 9, 2022 6:02pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Many indigenous oral traditions are very much based on scientific principles”
      
      OK, a list of five examples please.
      
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      July 9, 2022 5:02pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Earth
        Wind
        Fire
        Water
        The Void
        
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        July 9, 2022 6:28pm
      - Dave
        
        BwaV, evidently you and I have radically different notions of ‘scientific principles’.
        
        I think of them (loosely, briefly and inadequately expressed) as those methods which reliably distinguish reality from unreality. Knowledge of the position of celestial objects can distinguish reality from unreality in navigation, but what can that knowledge do in psychiatry?
        
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        July 9, 2022 8:10pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, The Void.”
        
        And, how are these five singular words examples of indigenous oral traditions that are very much based on scientific principles??? 🤔😆
        
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        July 10, 2022 1:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mythical black magic
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:19am
Tricati

No wonder Ardern is pushing hard to get a better deal for kiwis in OZ, with all the projected departures from NZ as a result of her appalling policies and separatist agenda, she has to do something as she’s doing sweet FA for those left at home.
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July 9, 2022 8:13am
- Nickc2
  
  It shows the sort of soft cock Albo (Aust PM) is whereby he has succumbed to Cindy’s nagging about NZ 501 Criminals. I do have a problem with it though whereby he says deportation will be subject to ‘common sense’. How the eff is common sense categorised in law and who’s common sense is he talking about?
  To top it all off he is about to grant NZers voting rights in Aust. That’ll go down well with Aussies – NOT! To that end IMO, he’ll be a one-term PM, if that.
  Aust Labor Govts chance their leaders frequently.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In Australia only citizens can vote. If he gives it to New Zealanders, watch other folk demand the same.
    
    And wait for a New Zealand gangster in Australia to kill someone after being allowed to stay there. It will happen and there will be hell to pay.
    
    I can see the popularity of that government falling Biden style.
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:18pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Actually Benedict, Kiwis used to be able to vote even if you were just a resident. I moved to Oz in 1979 and took up permanent residency. After 12 months I had to register to vote, and in that time voted in – from memory – 3 state elections, and 2 federal elections. I came home in 1988, and I think the rules changed around 1996.
      
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      July 9, 2022 4:57pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree, Helen Clark changed all that.
        
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        July 9, 2022 7:00pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    Will never happen – no votes for it.
    
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    July 9, 2022 8:57pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Great. Another tick in the column about reasons to move to OZ.
  Gaining access to all their benefits ie becoming a citizen
  
  Well done Jacinda in accelerating the brain drain and freeing up housing for the homeless.
  
  Have mt ticket booked for next Friday LOL
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  Notice nothing concrete , just smiling promises and headlines.
  
  Albanese does fellow leftist a favour for her domestic consumption , and the Media Pardy very happy to present this as big win.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  From what I seen on tv from Albow mouth, she has not delivered a bloody thing, he said 501s will still be deported, but we will be more kind about it, and he said we will look at being more fair to NZers, what is the major win this ludicrous media are talking about?
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Who knows? He said deportations will be based on commen sense? How do you define that in law? Honestly I can see how those two get on. Dumb and dumber.
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:20pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Jaspinda definition of common sense: “I’ll know it when I feel it”.
      
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      July 9, 2022 5:04pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Don’t forget that, in direct contrast to ScoMo (who actually did the exact same thing, but had the good sense to keep quiet about it), Jaspinda has secured an assurance from ~~Elmo~~ I mean ~~Elbow~~ I mean Albo that kiwis caught out by the latest cataclysmic weather event to affect the “Lucky Country”.
    
    In other words, nothing has changed, except the MSM wetting their pants to illustrate the latest sprinkling of kindness into our lives by St Jacinda the Kind.
    
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    July 9, 2022 6:13pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes the irony. Jacinda arrives back. “Hey good news. If you want to move to Australia I got you a better deal.”🤡
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:04am
  - artemisia
    
    It does sound as though the 501 policy might be tweaked a bit. Since any tweak will only allow the best-of-a-bad-lot to stay, we will still receive plenty. The worst-of-a-bad-lot.
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:50am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yep – commons sense means we’ll hang on to any vaguely useful, and send you the worst of the worst.
      
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      July 9, 2022 6:14pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Tell us, what are the better deals?
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:16pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    She wants all those nasty unfaithful to piss off?
    
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    July 10, 2022 1:16am
- Oskar
  
  From Luke Malpass in todays DomPost
  This being politics there is, of course, a potential political upside for Albanese and Labor beyond being seen to be good guys. If a whole pile of Kiwis became citizens, that could create two or three more seats in the federal Parliament, most likely in Queensland, seats Labor would most likely win. It’s nice when there’s political upside to doing the right thing.
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    He is wrong. The number of seats in the Australian House of Representatives is not a function of population. It is based on a formula that calculates seat numbers based on the number of Senators. That is 76 and has not changed since 1984.
    
    If New Zealanders were entitled to vote in Australian elections, they may well vote for the Labor Party. Or not. But it won’t increase the numbers of seats in Parliament.
    
    Another example of a journalist just making stuff up.
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:03pm
- mawm
  
  It is time to look at allowing NZ superannuation to be paid to retired kiwis who want to live in Oz to be close to their grandchildren. It’s ridiculous that some retirees maintain 2 homes and live for 6 months in each country just to ensure they get their super. The benefits are easy to predict – freeing up housing and reducing pressure on health care. The downside not much.
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:31am
  - Don Beckett
    
    There is already in place a reciprocal ‘Super’ arrangement.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:12pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The devil is in the detail.
      
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      July 9, 2022 5:06pm
vant

If you trust MoH/SNZ data, in actually shows that covid infection rates among the vaccinated is much lower than for any vaccinated group.

And what happened to Medsafe adverse events data? They used to release every month, but now every 2 months. Nothing to see so no need to release frequently??
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July 9, 2022 8:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Did you mean infection rates are lower among unvaccinated than vaccinated? Just to clarify cheers. If so, totally agreed.
  You may enjoy checking out this paper from Professor John Gibson from the University of Waikato discussing the worrying rise in excess mortality (that is not due to covid).
  
  https://repec.its.waikato.ac.nz/wai/econwp/2211.pdf
  
  It is included in this excellent article re the negative impacts of vaccination particularly on the young. It is all worth reading.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/all-cause-mortality-effects-of-covid
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:07am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    good paper.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:17am
  - dannz
    
    Just checked the latest data
    Per population the UNvaxxed are:
    25% more likely to be a case
    5x more likely to end up in hospital
    9x more likely to end up in ICU
    
    But I don’t care anymore, because there are far more flu cases in hospital than Covid. The vax has done it’s job.
    
    Pity no one thought of the flu vax.
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:14am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Citation?
      
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      July 9, 2022 11:51am
  - mawm
    
    The news about covid, the vaxx, and immune responses is not good. Vanden Bossche has some interesting discussion in his latest posts.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:34am
- Pavel
  
  Who needs the moh data? I live in a small rural town and there are alot of people who are unvaccinated to the point where it is really hard to believe that vax rates are as high as the moh claim, our local pub nearly went bankrupt due to the passports as bugger all locals got the jab. Most of my friends and many people I know are not vaccinated and covid has swept through here twice now with almost everyone having had it. The interesting part is I am yet to meet an unvaccinated person who had covid and ranked it anymore than a hangover, I don’t know of anyone unvaccinated that even went to a doctor let alone hospital. The only people I know who are getting really sick from covid are the vaccinated. I know at least 6 people who were vaxxed and went to hospital with covid, one of whom now has ongoing heart problems. I could spell out so many examples of people I know and the effect it had on them but the conclusion I’ve come to is the vaxxed are the ones getting seriously sick. The moh can say whatever they like but it doesn’t match up in my world. Alot of people are now realizing this.
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:28am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Reality eventually and inevitably displaces the narrative. On the “everyone else is doing it” principle, the government had every motivation to fudge the vaccination numbers, which are probably still quite high but not as high as we are told. They needed to paint the unvaxxed as an irrational tiny minority, but it is increasingly becoming apparent that the unvaxxed are neither irrational nor a tiny minority. Even given the punitive consequences of my decision, I do not for one minute regret refusing to comply. Time is the great redeemer and time reveals the truth of everything.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:20pm
- GJM
  
  What are the suicide stats for the last couple of years. Didn’t they bury them?
  
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  July 9, 2022 7:36pm
Taieri

“Swimming pools” are exempt from the mask mandate.
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This is wrong! Swimming pools should not be exempt, especially when people are swimming in the close proximity to each other, the masks are the only protection they have. The same goes for cycling – wearing face masks should be compulsory for the riders and strictly enforced.
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July 9, 2022 8:29am
- Bridgenag
  
  forgot the //
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    An oarful lotta folk round here don’t get sarc when they see it . Bit of a worry.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:04pm
- rouppe
  
  Can you tell me the next time you’re at the pool? I’d love to see you smash out 20 lengths wearing your mask
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:26am
- Inandout
  
  Tai, and all hookers should be masked when applying blow jobs.
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:20am
  - Taieri
    
    Tai, and all hookers should be masked when applying blow jobs.
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    Bugger. Forgot about this one:)
    
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    July 9, 2022 1:25pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Good luck for going for a swim in your face mask. You won’t be able to breathe.
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:43am
- Rich Prick
  
  Why would you waterboard yourself? Being a Cindy fanboy isn’t a reason.
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:09am
Master Mariner

@CJames, I believe you asked about latest developments regarding Shipping EV’s,

https://www.logisticsinsider.in/mol-changes-roro-policy-will-no-longer-transport-used-ev/

And,
https://splash247.com/car-carrier-firms-start-to-turn-away-used-evs-in-wake-of-spate-of-serious-fires/
“Australian car news site GoAuto has contacted a number of other car carrier firms who have also decided to halt shipping used EVs this year.”
And,
https://transporttalk.co.nz/news/mol-to-stop-shipping-used-evs
“One of the world’s largest shipping companies has confirmed it will stop carrying used electric vehicles including those coming to New Zealand. ”

So at this stage, Only “Used” EV’s.

Now here’s the thing and Insurers and IMO ( International Maritime Org ) are very concerned about,

What would happen on a RORO ( Roll on, Roll off) vessel carrying passengers with the “Herald of free Enterprise” disaster front and center.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Herald_of_Free_Enterprise

In my mind its only a matter of time before they will be banned completely. ( Only a disaster away ).
Could it happen to Kiwi Rail transporting Passenger EV across Cook Straight?

So in a nutshell, Where will this leave NZ great new Green reset?

Another note , I find EV’s are great technology but not as a solution to Climate change one bit.
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July 9, 2022 8:41am
- Master Mariner
  
  @Kevn, Jack5 ?
  About the increase of Loss of containers at sea?
  https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/containers/containers-lost-sea-increased-400-2020-2021
  “According to figures from the World Shipping Council (WSC) 3,133 containers were lost overboard in the 2020 – 2021 period compared to 779 in the previous period, an increase of 400%.
  
  WSC noted the winter of 2020 – 2021 saw an unusually high number of weather-related incidents. The period included the high-profile incidents of the ONE Apus which lost 1,818 containers overboard in the transpacific in November 2020, and the Maersk Essen which lost 750 boxes overboard in January 2021.”
  
  In a Nutshell, The containerships are getting bigger ( Too big to trundle down to the arse end of the world NZ, And then wait around till they figure how too work the new cranes //).
  
  This in turn restricts what Ports they can discharge into ( Again NZ behind the Eight ball and only now getting smaller “feeder” vessels to send freight up to the bigger Ports in NZ ).
  
  I really do not understand how no one saw this coming and exasperated by COVID etc.
  Like I have said before, I’m surprised there are still goods on the shelves.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:00am
Nukuleka

I’d never heard of Suella Braverman, the UK’s Attorney General, until I read that she’d been the first out of the block to put her name forward for the Tory leadership. Clearly a conservative in beliefs as well as a Conservative in party affiliation. It would be fascinating were the Tories to end up bypassing the big names and end up, as they did with Thatcher, going for a strong conviction female to lead the party. A politician who just happens to be the daughter of Indian / Mauritian immigrants.
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July 9, 2022 8:42am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Look at the names wanting to be PM
  
  Rishi Sunak/Indian, Javid/Pakistani, Zahari/ Kurdish refugee, Braverman Indian/Mauritius.
  
  Reverse Colonial Takeover.
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:10am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    It’s OK, while the Great Replacement diversity project is a good thing that everyone should welcome as a progressive development in any enlightened and prejudice-free society, it is also a racist conspiracy theory without any evidence to support it.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:57am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, the Poms imported these immigrants (well, most of them anyway) because there weren’t enough Poms to do the work or they wouldn’t do the work.
    Doesn’t that sound like the developing situation in a South Pacific country formerly known as New Zealand?
    We must be careful what we do now to solve a perceived problem because it may well come back to bite us on the bum.
    IMO, we have a wealth of personnel who are capable of doing the work we are importing others to do, it’s just that we are making it more profitable for them not to.
    AFIK, there’s no Political Party with the will to solve this problem.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:29pm
  - kowtow
    
    Who cares as long as they are good conservatives .
    
    Just goes to prove the lie of the media /left always attcking Britain for being so racist ,unjust, blah blah when in fact it’s already very diverse and egalitarian ( without a race based electoral system)
    
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    July 9, 2022 1:23pm
    - Philview
      
      I agree, they are children of immigrants who have worked hard and had success which is what we want in a meritocratic democracy.
      
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      July 9, 2022 3:20pm
Scooter

Isn’t it abit weird that Cindy has pushed for Australian citizen rights for Kiwis and also a 3 years working permit for the UK, its almost like she wants more young people to exit the country.
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July 9, 2022 8:47am
Warren

The Media keep on having orgasms over our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern promises the latest being PM scores a major win for New Zealander’s of final day of Australian visit.
Please can we really take her word for this as we have heard her many times make promises that the Prime Minister’s and Government before it has happened quite frequently, remember the housing promises they made on buildings 100,000 in ten years what happened there, then there was light Rail for Auckland and another promise hit the Wall and Aucklanders are still waiting.
The Cycle Bridge that has been on and off for Auckland that has been allotted funds three or four time and then rescinded is another , but what about Meningococcal and Rheumatic Fever that is still costing children their lives that the National Government had made major strides in controlling that Labour and Jacinda Ardern have lost control on and is now a major threat to our young people again.
These were all headlines that they would fix but what has happened it’s been all talk with no substance from our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her Government , so will this headline be any different in 2023 like promised I doubt very much.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/07/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-scores-major-win-for-new-zealanders-on-final-day-of-australia-visit.html
Will this be more lies and deciet from Jacinda Ardern or is it a ploy to help win the 2023 General Election in New Zealand by a Government and Leaderwanting to stay in power , desperation affect people in different ways.
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July 9, 2022 8:48am
Scott

Over here at Biden watch we note that the President of the United States is being compared to Ron Burgundy. Ron Burgundy the fictional newscaster who would read everything on the teleprompter no matter how nonsensical.

Well the president of the free world is matching him. On his teleprompter recently there was a note “repeat last line”. He reads it out – “repeat last line”.
The fact of the matter is that Joe is well past it and should be organising the Friday night happy hour at the rest home. The idea that he has the nuclear codes when he cannot competently read from a teleprompter, is staggering to me.

Also the idea that this guy got the most votes of any presidential candidate in history and there was nothing at all wrong with the 2020 election also defies belief. The guy doesn’t know where he is and what he’s doing. He hasn’t known for some time. He got there because of the connivance of the Democrat party, the mainstream media, big tech and the deep state. This is the guy they chose to be the figurehead of president of the United States. Who’s running the show I don’t know? Some say Obama is having his third term?

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/07/you-stay-classy-joe-biden.php
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July 9, 2022 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  Have you seen the one where he says America is a nation that can be defined by one word , and then talks jibberish .
  
  It’s so bad you’d think it was disinformation.
  
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  July 9, 2022 1:27pm
krazykiwi

Forget Dr Mann’s fabricated Climate Change™ hockey stick. Instead check out German energy future-dated baseload rates. Wow. This paints an alarming picture of potential industry failure.
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July 9, 2022 8:51am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s fascinating that the coming social and political upheaval and possible famines are being created by political ideologies not by any lack of physical resources or at present climatic effects.
  (A few cold years could be the tipping point for global catastrophe given the political chaos the covid and climate cultists have created. )
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Some relevant humour for a Saturday morning.
    
    Pifzer attempts a cat meme to push their poison and gets savaged by el gato malo. If you haven’t checked their blog out I recommend you do. Informative, accurate, and often very funny as in this case.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/pfizer-gets-desperate
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:30am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I believe in the principles of science, which is precisely why I refuse Pfizer’s mRNA product.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:03pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      How much is the subscription to this rubbish,?.
      $2 like Eugippius or even less.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:43pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mike don’t bother. You don’t have the mental capacity to understand it.
        
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        July 10, 2022 9:34am
- [email protected]
  
  That works out to $0.56 per Kwh. Maybe more after taxes are added in.
  
  Time to consider solar panels?
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:26am
- rouppe
  
  How much of that is short term spike due to the energy cluster fuck with Russia?
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:30am
- NZer In Exile
  
  The climate industry with their falsified hypothesis is definitely creating a massive global energy disaster. Funnily enough the see see pee are profiting from this (a huge seller of el cheapo solar panels and wind mills). All the while doing massive a rollout of coal and nuclear plants in their own land. Any connection?
  
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  July 10, 2022 2:39am
Master Mariner

Big issue in the States,

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Why-Is-The-US-Sending-Its-Emergency-Oil-Reserves-To-China.html

“Why Is The U.S. Sending Its Emergency Oil Reserves To China?
By ZeroHedge – Jul 08, 2022, 11:00 AM CDT
The United States is exporting millions of barrels of oil from its emergency oil reserves to Europe and Asia.
“The SPR remains a critical energy security tool to address global crude oil supply disruptions,” a Department of Energy spokesperson said.
The drain means SPR inventories fell to the lowest since 1986.”

So they release the Largest amount ever only to export to China. These are Strategic Reserves.

So next question is, Where did NZ ( Under the Micky Mouse IEA), Release there reserves too ? Remembering it was a co-ordinated effort to bring prices under control.
I kid you not, NZ “Strategic Reserves” are mostly kept in Europe ( Very obscure to get accurate assessment ? ).
This is a much use going tramping in NZ and leaving emergency food in the UK and your EPIRB in europe in case you run out or get lost.

On another note, How secure is NZ in Diesel / Av Gas ?.
https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-business/diesel-shortage-big-issue-kiwi-motorists

Watch out for Quality as well for your Diesel requirements.
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July 9, 2022 9:21am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Looks like Biden sent the much needed US oil to China, at least in part, to benefit his son’s investments there and no doubt himself.
  
  https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/08/biden-sold-oil-from-emergency-reserves-to-chinese-gas-giant-tied-to-his-scandal-plagued-son/
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:06pm
  - GJM
    
    10% for the Big Guy, as promised…
    
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    July 9, 2022 7:50pm
Rusty

I realise there is very little to praise our PM over on this blog including me.

But I have to applaud her for hopefully convincing the Aussie PM to stop sending back these scumbag 501’s to NZ.

What does it matter if these people haven’t taken out Aussie citizenship? If they have lived in that country most of their lives then they are a Aust problem not ours.
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July 9, 2022 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  No one said they’d stop sending back 501’s.
  
  They said they’d take a “common sense” approach.
  
  That’s a politician speaking.
  
  501’s will continue to be deported ( as we will continue to dump ours on Pacific Islands) .
  
  It’ll just be a question of how many , if any .
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:03pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Bullshit.
  
  Firstly, they will keep coming. It looks like they may make some minor concessions. Who knows what they will be? How did you conclude that they will now not be sent back to New Zealand?
  
  Second they carry a passport that says “New Zealander”. Do you think we should design international citizenship based on feelz?
  
  New Zealand deports non citizens every day. Many of whom have lived in New Zealand for long periods of time.
  
  The reason the 501s are a problem is because of the very large numbers of New Zealand citizens living in Australia, relative to the population of New Zealand.
  
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  July 9, 2022 2:28pm
  - MCōs
    
    The reason the 505s are a problem is because a good proportion of them have no family here, no money, no body will give them a job or accommodation so they gravitate towards gangs.
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:08pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Waaaah.
      
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      July 10, 2022 2:59am
- GJM
  
  There is no chance that Oz will drop the 501 scheme and keep criminal scum in Aussie when they can deport them. It has widespread support by the voters and would be political suicide. Notice how non specific it was. Just waffle that the government owned media can spin as Jacinda wants for NZ consumption.
  
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  July 9, 2022 7:53pm
SmokerGuy

Ardern’s pathway to citizenship for kiwis in AU stated as a major win for her. Wtf???? This country is on it’s knees and this is her priority? Meanwhile Australia are busy gutting our workforce
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July 9, 2022 9:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I saw a billboard in Christchurch yesterday. Promotion from the West Australian government. “Come to Western Australia. Great jobs. Great lifestyle.” Something like that anyway.
  
  Expect a lot more of Australian states targeting New Zealanders.
  
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  July 9, 2022 2:31pm
  - SmokerGuy
    
    Exactly and what’s our response to this? For example Australia have implemented big tax changes for gaming and what are we doing to try and fight back against this aggressive poaching of our brightest? David Clark is monitoring it apparently. What a disgrace!!! This is just one profession of many where we are just sitting ducks with the government not giving a shit.
    
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    July 9, 2022 6:18pm
- Bluegrass
  
  Re “gutting” – is it compulsory for Kiwis to go to Australia?
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:07pm
  - SmokerGuy
    
    Of course not but why wouldn’t ya if you could? Australia is more attractive than New Zealand at the moment in almost every single measure. I have kids at school who are settled but if I was younger and had no ties I’d be over there in a flash at the moment. New Zealand is in a very risky position at the moment.
    
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    July 10, 2022 8:08am
MCōs

Elon Musk isn’t going to buy Twitter after all.
Well. Fancy that.
This has been on the cards for months.
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July 9, 2022 9:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Due to the fact they have fudged figures re subscribers or another reason?
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:53am
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest he put in an offer without thinking it through.
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:00am
    - Inandout
      
      Mc, yeah of course why didn’t I think of that? A billionnaire who doesn’t think things through.
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:22am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Riiiiiiight.
      
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      July 9, 2022 10:44am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Musk will likely now make another offer, but at a much lower price, given that the platform was way over-valued. Pretty clever, really.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:11pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      He thought it through bud, judging from the number of senior snowflake leftards who quit.
      
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      July 9, 2022 9:10pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  His Tesla shares have tanked so much recently he probably can’t afford to.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:59am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, a good time to buy then?
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:25am
- GT Build
  
  But he has destroyed their value on the share market and proved that they are not worth the advertising dollars that they were charging because of the number of bots they had on the site soon for the scrap heap
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:02am
- kevn
  
  Musk shone a light in there and (eventually) didn’t like what he saw.
  Cess pit for the disaffected. Apart from our Maggie of course…
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:31am
  - Inandout
    
    kev, Maggie is a treasure because she chooses the interesting ones which saves us from trawling through the dross.
    
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    July 9, 2022 10:48am
    - Bluegrass
      
      One person’s treasure is another’s trash.
      
      So is this blog a Twitter receptacle?
      
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      July 9, 2022 9:13pm
  - MCōs
    
    I’d have thought he should have done that beforehand.
    Now backing out isn’t going to be easy peasy by the sounds.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Musk thinks of Twitter like this – after their refusal to show the false accounts and bots.
  “Would you buy a used car from this man?”
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:34am
Cassandra

Matthew Paris writes in The Times about the qualities required in a PM: “ intelligence, intellect, deep experience of economic management, fastidious judgement”. No mention of empathy or smiling, hugging, although I’m sure personal qualities also count. But the first four requirements, particularly the one regarding economics, are spectacularly wanting in our own PM.
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July 9, 2022 9:58am
- Cassandra
  
  Parris, autocorrect was the winner on the day.
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:38pm
- Bluegrass
  
  How quaint.
  
  Being media-genic is the today’s criteria.
  
  Abraham Lincoln would never have been selected, let alone elected, in today’s MSM wired zeitgeist.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:17pm
All_on_Red

Maybe Musk is after a better deal?
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/08/elon-musk-notifies-twitter-he-is-terminating-deal.html
Not uncommon for alleging new information reduces the value so cancel and then start again.
Twitter seem keen to sell.
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July 9, 2022 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think Musk will buy Twitter when the dust settles. Twitter knew is was a good deal but did not play the game fairly (bots and false accounts)
  I predict the price will now be reduced, say 35 billion.
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just seen another comment on FB.
    “This Twitter deal is about to be the first deal Musk has pulled out of”
    Clever people like Musk are winners, not losers.
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I suspect Musk is trying to back out entirely, but without paying the penalties specified in the original agreement.
    I imagine this will be great business for many lawyers in many courts for many years.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Musk is a billionaire, you and I are not.
      What does that tell you Mike?
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:31pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That he can afford to pay millions on lawyers to get out of a bad deal that might otherwise cost him billions?
        
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        July 9, 2022 2:30pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Penalties per se are by definition legally unenforceable.
      
      You are talking damages for breach of contract.
      
      And for Twitter to succeed in breach of contract it will have to lift up its skirt, discovery-wise.
      
      Bring it on.
      
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      July 9, 2022 9:22pm
Matt Long

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/129225899/half-of-kinga-ora-homes-still-not-up-to-healthy-homes-standard
Interesting that the State with all it’s resources doesn’t feel that the healthy homes standards should apply to them. Rules for thee and not for me.
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July 9, 2022 10:54am
wisteria

Just watched Newshub Nation with Rebecca Wright interviewing David Seymour. The word harrassing would be a better adjective. She hardly allowed him to finish a sentence let alone listen to his answers. He did shut her down briefly towards the end of this session. TV Interviewers seem to forget that it is the viewer who will make what they can from this. Her highpitched delivery was very hard to take.
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July 9, 2022 10:57am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  The stereotype of the nagging woman is very real.
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:25pm
- Lance
  
  I can honestly say that was the worst ‘interview’ I have ever seen.
  Rebecca was nasty, belittling and making quite frankly idiotic statements that bore little reference to what David was saying. She constantly spoke over the top of David and wouldn’t let him answer.
  A new low, even for that tragic far left propaganda forum.
  She sucked the intelligence out of the room like some sort of illogical black hole.
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:32pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Just watched it. She was a screeching banshee. He handled her like a pro.
  
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  July 10, 2022 3:09am
kowtow

They do that in other fields too.

As far as I’m aware convictions can be hidden from private sector employers ……. state sector exempted;try that joining the fuzz .
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July 9, 2022 11:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  There is clean slate legislation applying for some relatively minor crimes, but all (I think) employers can make a criminal records check a condition of employment.
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:22pm
Don Beckett

Interesting video on the demographic shift in the USA [5.12]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTD_kyZRvio&t=345s
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July 9, 2022 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That guy has not done his vehicle research. He say the average vehicle does 180K miles before being scrapped. Bollocks. My Toyota Landcruiser Prado is at 285K (petrol) Only just run in!
  I know of Landcruisers (diesels) that have done over half a million KM and the motor has not been taken out.
  
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  July 9, 2022 11:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I had a ride in a NT outback HiLux ute that had done 2.5 million kms. Admittedly it had had 3 motors and lots of parts replaced. But the same chassis, glass etc.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Look at the vehicles in war zones, what are they?
      Yep, mostly Toyotas – in the dust and sand.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:33pm
    - kevn
      
      @kk… Remember the Top Gear programme? The HiLux that just wouldn’t die.
      
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      July 9, 2022 1:01pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I drove one from Sydney (NSW) to Toowoomba (QLD) and back (870 km each way), they are fantastic. Ya can’t kill em eh?
        
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        July 9, 2022 1:30pm
      - mawm
        
        They don’t make cars like they used to. I had a 10 yo MGB roadster that I took on a 2000 k journey most on unsealed road. One oil and filter change. The car did not miss a beat – except for a knackered exhaust mounting fixed by a farmhand in 10 min.
        
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        July 9, 2022 7:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Musk twins??
https://spacexmania.com/3476-2/?
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July 9, 2022 11:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Remember, the people who shut down your businesses and killed your careers will one day soon be asking you to re-elect them so they can keep their jobs.
Never forget what they have done to you.
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July 9, 2022 11:55am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Sorry to hear about the end of your business career, Steve. Was it really all someone else’s fault, though?
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike, I am retired. Not my business, but the lease expired. Landlord wants to build small warehouses.
    Business is fore sale, all of the assets are in storage.
    Think around the $1,3M mark, and it is yours. Makes a 20 to 25% profit each year after all the Taxes.
    
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    July 9, 2022 12:36pm
    - Cassandra
      
      Steve: mike is extracting Michael.
      
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      July 9, 2022 12:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Easily transportable to a more desirable part of the country?
      
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      July 9, 2022 2:29pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    What a mean-spirited and malevolent response, bud.
    
    Get some perspective and grow up.
    
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    July 9, 2022 9:31pm
I remember when

Track opens up forest park: Kapiti Observer:
The new track would reduce the journey from Blue Bluff to Otaki Forks to about an hour and was similar, in parts, to the escarpment track near Paekakariki.
There are rough steps, you’re at height, and it’s unstable ground so some sort of ability and skill is required to cross the face.
The track should be open in about a week.

Somewhere to take the older children to burn off some steam in the holidays or a weekend activity.
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July 9, 2022 11:59am
I remember when

An independent study commisioned by Beef+Lamb NZ into forestry conversion of Beef and Sheep farms.
Area of entire Beef and Sheep farms sold into forestry –
2017 – 3965 hectares
2018 – 20,227 hectares
2019 – 36,824 hectares
Period where sales have been affected by Covid.
2020 – 24,864 hectares
2021 – 14,219 hectares in the first six months.
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July 9, 2022 12:04pm
- greybeard
  
  That is truly a worry.
  Add to that list the enormous areas of fertile land in South Auckland and Canterbury being used for low-density housing.
  
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  July 9, 2022 3:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is why you don’t fuck with retired veteran Marines. They have been through more shit than most people.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/marine-vet-convenience-store-robbery-gatorades
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July 9, 2022 12:38pm
krazykiwi

I’m at Wellington ED with an unwell family member. There have been several police in and out. Is that normal? And the orderly that just took us to the ED cubicle appeared to be wearing a stab-proof vest. Really?
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July 9, 2022 12:39pm
- Cassandra
  
  Normal. Last time I was in ED a team came in with a large, young, disturbed-looking man, with the team leader saying “now remember, Kevin, no biting”.
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep. Happens at North Shore Hospital quite often.
  Usually from an incident at Paremoremo Prison, The orderlies in close with the Police wear vests. These crim bastards will grab anything to hurt you and escape. Things like say a crutch, and smash you in the chest/face. Scissors, any glass bottle.
  Keep an eye on them.
  
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  July 9, 2022 12:47pm
  - GT Build
    
    They just need a cuddle and they will be as docile as a lamb
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    But eventually you managed to get away, right?
    
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    July 9, 2022 2:28pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  How did you get on with parking outside the front door?
  
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  July 9, 2022 5:50pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

Dr Hylton Le Grice received the Insignia of a Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit for services to ophthalmology, music and the community. Dr Le Grice has had a long and distinguished career as an eye surgeon, university teacher, healthcare administrator, company director, board member and chair of public and private institutions. For 20 years he was a consultant surgeon at Auckland Hospital. He established the undergraduate teaching programme in ophthalmology at the Auckland School of Medicine, is a past President of the Ophthalmological Society of New Zealand, and for eight years was a member of the Opticians’ Board. He served on the board of Southern Cross Healthcare as a Director, Deputy Chair and Chair from 1984 to 2002.

From; Dr Hilton Le Grice: I am simply a New Zealand citizen …

The position in New Zealand is really quite simple.

“Maori” are said to be 16% of the population – but this is entirely incorrect – because, almost without exception, those people who say they are ‘Māori’ have less than 50% Maori genetic background. However, let’s be overly generous here and say that perhaps one eighth of these people have more 50% or more Māori genes in their makeup.

That means that only 2% of our population have the right to call themselves Māori. The other 14% illogically deny the majority of their genetic background. This is simply irrational and could not stand up in a balanced debate.

Why do these people then deny the majority of their genes ? I am 1/4 Scottish, 1/4 English, and say 1/16th French – but I do not call myself French, Scottish or English – I am simply a New Zealand citizen who has one vote, in what until very recently was one of the great democracies in the world – and a country where females were first given the vote.

There can be only one reason for that 14% of the population who dishonestly call themselves Māori in having less than a preponderance of Māori genes – and that is that they wish to part of a society that for some dishonest reason gives them advantages that the vast majority of New Zealanders do not have:
• Their group get special seats in Parliament – where the Royal Commission on Electoral Reform which introduced MMP voting, said should be abolished • Their so called ‘Māori’ businesses and property get privileged Tax and Rates reductions – often they pay NOTHING !
• They get privileged entry to University where in a competitive situation, the % marks gained in entrance examinations are set at an unjust lower level. For instance a set number of people with much less than 50% Māori generic background( as low as 1% if established) can gain entry to Medical School with 70% marks ! – compare this where recently a third generation non-Māori who wanted to follow his Father & Grandfather as a surgeon, was denied entry to the Medical School with marks of not 70% – but in excess of 94% !
• In a disgraceful situation where English is the Offical International Language ( to pilot an aircraft landing in Croatia you can’t talk Croatian, you must speak fluent English) we have unbelievably in NZ 50% ( perhaps more) of school leavers who have inadequate abilities in spoken or written English – and yet this present Government intends laughably to make the teaching of Te Reo Māori, a compulsory subject, and are spending countless $millions of taxpayer money on this project. This is so irresponsible and irrational, but the presently ‘woke’ National Party as the Government’s official ‘opposition’ seemingly does not to ever want to dispute this situation. The only way for people to progress in the world and to benefit NZ is to be able to speak, write, and read English – to a high standard • At this present time this corrupt Government is creating a Health Service where ‘so called’ Māori will get preferential treatment ahead of all other New Zealand citizens. This is immoral, irrational, ‘racist’, and against all the principles of Hippocrates.

And so the list goes on – where so called disadvantaged “Māori” with as little as as 1% of Māori genetic background become one of the most privileged group of people in the world.

How could any average, honest, hard working, New Zealander possibly tolerate a situation, that has neo-Marxist connotations to it. Perhaps this is exactly so, with our Prime Minister previously having been the President of the Marxist Socialist Youth International.

What we have is unacceptable “racist” outrage – where it must be understood that no racist society in the world has ever survived.

Dr. Hylton Le Grice CNZM, OBE.

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[ https://waikanaewatch.org/2022/06/28/dr-hylton-le-grice-i-am-simply-a-new-zealand-citizen/ mod.]
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July 9, 2022 12:39pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  “Why do these people then deny the majority of their genes ?”
  
  The fact that they do deny their White ancestry–the greater part of their DNA–at once gives the lie to claims of White privilege: if White privilege existed, then everyone would identify as White, because that would allow them to exercise their privilege. Because they don’t, it shows that explicit institutional privileges are available only to Maori and to other minorities. Were Maori subject to oppression, then they would identify as White instead.
  
  To the extent that a race of people settle a land and then found and build a society, I think it is perfectly reasonable and proper for that society to be structured to their benefit at the expense of others. China is structured around the Chinese, Israel is structured around Jews, and America, the UK and New Zealand should rightly be structured around Anglo-Europeans.
  
  That said, in reality, the only “privileges” White people enjoy today concern staying in the background, handing over institutional power, and bending over backwards to please other groups. Wow, some privilege!
  
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  July 9, 2022 2:31pm
  - greybeard
    
    Don’t be silly.
    Being a separate , special and unequalled species, Maori require a totally different treatment to the other humans on planet Earth:
    No white-person medication works for them.
    No white-person law applies to them.
    Their physiological makeup requires special treatment based on the principal that the more taxpayer money given to them the better their outcomes – but not for all of them, just the special ones. The ones at the top. The ordinary bottom-dwelling maori get nothing. And never will.
    
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    July 9, 2022 3:26pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIPEG4ax4SI
Kiwi Voice News – Dutch Farmer Protests Explainer

We dive into the current massive farmers protests currently happening in the Netherlands – what exactly is going on? [13:27]
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July 9, 2022 12:47pm
Lee C

I was at Dunedin Airport yesterday.

Unmasked people fell into tow main categories –
a) Practically every Maori traveller I saw and
b) me.
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July 9, 2022 12:47pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Last time I was at Momona I looked at the taxi drivers there and wondered if Dunedin does not appear in any Chennai school atlas.
  
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  July 9, 2022 1:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Last night tv3 reporteress from Auckland airport , in the terminal , not wearing a mask .
  
  Wonderswas she breaking the law ?
  
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  July 9, 2022 1:11pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9WTnpT5J8w

Look Who Decided To Show Up at the White House.

More a case of loo what the cat brought in. [1:17]
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July 9, 2022 12:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jaspinda has the Kiwis in Oz deal with Elbow. Says it can be done before ANZAC next year.
Next bloody year???? Fix it all tomorrow before you fuck off to Fiji.
How useless can people be?
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July 9, 2022 1:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Albanese has just agreed to look into the matter by Anzac Day 2023.
  
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  July 9, 2022 1:30pm
I remember when

New carriages delayed a year; Horowhenua Mail:
Eleven carriages being refurbished by KiwiRail for the Capital Connection service should have been operational from Thursday.
Gwynn Compton, a Kapiti Coast district councillor, said Michael Wood and David Clark needed to front up and explain to Manawatu, Horowhenua and Kapiti commuters “what’s going on and what they’re doing to fix things.
It’s long been known the Capital Connection’s existing carriages are beyond the end of their useful life.
The carriage upgrades are now expected to be finished by the middle of next year.

“What’s going on and what they’re doing to fix things.”
What a novel line of thinking.
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July 9, 2022 1:31pm
jon

Anyone else noticed the diversity of the aspirants for the leadership of the UK Conservative Party? A diversity, that comes with talent and ability as well. Compare to NZ where diversity in our Parliament is all that matters and competence is of secondary importance.
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July 9, 2022 1:31pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  While they may well have talent, it is inconceivable that the many “minorities” (actually a misnomer, because they are global majorities) in the UK parliament aren’t there in large measure due to the institutionalisation of anti-White (i.e. diversity) policies. Another likely factor is that it demonstrates that immigrants will vote for people of their own race, and for that reason alone in many cases. The idea of voting for the best person is not a universal idea, and is mostly prevalent among Europeans. Everyone else is essentially tribal. In a homogenous society, tribalism isn’t really a factor: everyone is of the same tribe, so tribalism falls out of consideration. When societies become multicultural, however, tribalism is brought out, because differences tend to draw attention to similarities amongst others like you. Tribalism is a necessary outcome of diversity, giving the lie to the slogan that it brings strength.
  
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  July 9, 2022 2:43pm
NZer In Exile

Martin Kulldorff: Lessons from Sweden for the next pandemic.

https://play.acast.com/s/5fad6d24bc034454b53fe011/62b5d33ad53b3c00135c6aa9

Many valuable insights in this interview. It’s a pity the fairy princess and her gnomes can’t take this stuff on board.
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July 9, 2022 2:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fake news or not? Description in the link.
https://redrightvideos.com/msm-is-hiding-the-truth-about-the-july-4th-shooter-from-us/
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July 9, 2022 3:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot. Lefties should watch with one eye, the left one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URfPLc2Wblc
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July 9, 2022 4:05pm
- quarterpack
  
  Steve You do yourself no favours banging on about lefties and mamas basements and posting links spouting unlikely theories from obscure sources.
  
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  July 9, 2022 7:06pm
  - RichardX
    
    Steve believes and reposts whatever turns up in his inbox.
    
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    July 10, 2022 8:24am
Spoff

Two tales that illustrate the level of insanity currently governing the Health system.
About a month ago I went to an 80th birthday party. There were about 80 – 90 guests, the vast majority of us in our 70s and 80s, not a mask in sight, vaxxed and unvaxxed, lots of hugging. Two or three days later we found out there were three carriers in our midst. No-one got sick.
Someone close to me is in advanced dementia. Last week he took a turn for the worse, wasn’t eating, too weak to stand and looked close to the end. I called the ambulance. The Ambos first said they couldn’t take him to hospital because the ED was chocka. I said he needed to see a Doctor for assessment so we could get some home help and we could not get him there. They understood the situation, rang the local Hospital and got permission to bring him in.
I followed over and found that, on admission, he had tested positive for Covid. I (unvaxxed) tested negative.
A very good doctor, rolling her eyes at the manifest stupidity of the rule, informed me that, against her better judgement, he had to be transferred to the Covid isolation ward an hour and a half away. She then phoned the city Hospital and told me that the staff there also thought it stupid but it had to be done. This was despite a second, negative test.
We were told he could have no visitors. We were told he would not be released to home care as the house was inadequate by his “Social Worker” who confessed she had neither inspected the home nor even met the patient yet! She did, however, let slip that one family member could visit. One family member immediately took off and, contrary to the wishes of the rest of us and the stated intent of the Hospital staff, managed to get him released and brought him home. So we are back to square one.

The system is in broken and it is not the bug that did it. UK Column News thinks it is deliberate in Britain at least.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-8th-july-2022
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July 9, 2022 4:08pm
surfing

This is some BS…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/zero-alcohol-purchase-age-50-year-old-with-daughter-denied-non-alcoholic-beer/UE6AN6TNFWKXMPGG2YRCVTN7O4/

Countdown won’t sell 0% alcohol beer to under 18’s is an absurdity in itself. What a pack of woke clowns.
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July 9, 2022 4:16pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I think I heard a podcast mentioning this stuff. I’d say Countdown’s hands are tied by idiotic legislation.
  
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  July 10, 2022 1:19am
UrbanNeocolonialist

“Dad, if socialism doesn’t work, then why do so many people support it?”
“Because they don’t work either son.”
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July 9, 2022 4:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/father-of-9-elon-musk-admits-hes-only-going-to-mars-to-get-some-peace-and-quiet?
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July 9, 2022 4:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jesus H Christ – look at all the multiple downticks
Must be some sour people on here today.
Problem at Mill? Speaker of the House not speaking to you?
Saturday, so open the alcohol cabinet. Alcohol won’t fix your problems, but neither will milk.
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July 9, 2022 4:55pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Milky’s multiple logins? See see pee troll farm operatives? Labour party spin machine employees?
  
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  July 9, 2022 5:11pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Yeah I reckon you’re onto something there. At very least some deluded lefty hacks who think they can “serve the cause” by keeping a right-wing blog off balance. I’m sure “Ross Campbell” is milky or part of the same cadre, maybe they’re “doing shifts?” Whatever it is its pathetic. I could go on the Standard or Daily Blog and play the same sort of games, but why would I waste my time? Fortunately I’ve got a life and a wife who would slap some sense into me if I did
    
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    July 9, 2022 11:22pm
- Mike
  
  What about Kahlua and milk?
  
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  July 9, 2022 5:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why spoil it, just Kahlua and ice
    
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    July 10, 2022 11:06am
Nookin

Story of the game really. Jordan finally makes a break but gets such a shock, he falls over. Ball gets to a prop who tears up the paddock but support can’t keep up. We can’t lose though. Commentators say we have never lost to Ireland in NZ or to anyone else at F B stadium. Can’t argue with science like that. Maybe journalism science should be taught alongside western science an Māori science?
Good thing Fozzy has these guys really humming. We would get thumped otherwise.
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July 9, 2022 8:52pm
graham

Just watched One News, and there was a story pitching the Maori Party as “king-makers”; holding the balance of power. I can not, for the life of me, see how they draw this conclusion and (needless to say) they didn’t explain it.

Yesterday’s post on the latest Roy Morgan Poll had the following figures:

Party Vote:

Labour 33.5%
National 39.0%
Greens 10.0%
ACT 9.5%
Maori 1.5%

Governments

Labour/Green 56/120
National/ACT 62/120

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/07/roy_morgan_poll_june_2022.html

So, to make up a Government, Labour/Green could muster up 56 seats, compared to National/ACT with 62 seats. Add in the Maori Party’s 2 seats and this gives us a Labour/Green/Maori Government of 58 seats – which is still 4 seats short of National/ACT.

Being a Saturday night, I will admit to having had a few glasses of Pinot Noir, so I may well have made a mistake somewhere. Please, feel free to point out where. But how on earth can One News pitch the Maori Party as king-makers, based on these numbers? I don’t get it.
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July 9, 2022 8:57pm
Nookin

Well done Ireland!
Anyone know what that Razor fellow is up to nowadays? Asking for a friend.
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July 9, 2022 9:13pm
Tauhei Notts

My mother died 13 odd years ago. My abiding memory of her was;
“Cheats never prosper.”
I looked at Angus Ta’avao, Leicester Tainga’anuku, and Ofa Tuungafasi and thought of her; some people cannot differentiate between a coconut and a head.
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July 9, 2022 9:36pm
- JerJer
  
  At least every time this happens we are closer to getting rid of Foster so we can get some real coaching and some organisation back into the team, and doing the simple things right, like playing players in their positions for starters. Foster is a joke and it shows in every game.
  
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  July 9, 2022 9:41pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My immense apologies. I have been corrected.
  The correct spelling is Tu’ungafasi.
  Sorry about that.
  
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  July 9, 2022 10:18pm

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