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artemisia

‘Unemployment’ up again a little bit, based on some helpful interpretation of stats. Some are asking Why, when there are vacancies everywhere.

Some say it is more comfy on welfare. Maybe, but there is a massive black / grey economy in the billions to help out the household budget. Not all legit but plenty will be under the counter.

Suggest there is another issue – employers won’t employ them. No doubt for very good reasons. Then there are the alarming literacy and numeracy stats – an increasing number of young people with not much future in the workforce. Welfare and that black / grey economy beckon. End of.
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August 4, 2022 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Its not education. Its they dont turn up or when they do they are either pissed or high.
  
  National’s solution to this structural problem is to bring in a replacement workforce from India.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    At least they will turn up for work, and be grateful.
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:42am
    - redeye
      
      And contribute to the tax pool.
      
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      August 4, 2022 9:20am
    - Nickc2
      
      And their taxes will support the bastards who won’t work. Clearly, this is not right!
      We must make it more difficult for those who won’t work and those on Sickness Benefits should be tested approximately six monthly by a Govt appointed medical authority.
      
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      August 4, 2022 9:48am
      - Paulus
        
        Too easy to get well paid whilst looking for a job – called “JobSeeker” benefit – not included in the Unemployment figures.
        Was about 160,000 a while ago which makes the real unemployment figures about 9%.
        
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        August 4, 2022 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You got it. Can’t be trusted. I would have to be watching them all the time. In an engineering workshop they would do things that I thought were impossible. Or they would just fuck up a machine so the job had to be stopped until I got parts and repaired it. Last one was a pressbrake. 135 tons of downforce does not stop for much, but one idiot managed to break a top bending tool.
    Fuck!
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Some years ago say it in a Kiwifruit packhouse – very easy to Whuck the system and bring the place to a sudden halt.
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:45am
    - artemisia
      
      Our small tradie firm gave a guy a chance. Knew he was not long out of prison but seemed willing. Had to let him go after power tools started to disappear, turned up ‘impaired’. Had to trespass him in the end, soon after police advised he was on their radar (in their premises) and the notice was served. By that point he had been ejected from 3 emergency housing properties.
      
      Not the first time we gave someone a chance. A couple were good and went on to apprenticeships. Most average or worse and had to be supervised.
      
      We don’t bother any more.
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:22am
  - coge
    
    Good, hard working law abiding citizens. Who value family and education.
    
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    August 4, 2022 2:05pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Labour has created a new category of welfare for the unemployed. We have the ole school dole which pays roughly about $300 a week. then during 2020 lockdowns labour created the job seeker benefit paying about $600 a week.
  So when labour reports on unemployment – which one do they refer to for the stats?
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:47am
  - westernScientist
    
    Unemployment statistics are completely separate to the dole, job seeker etc. The unemployment rate comes from household labour surveys completed by statsNZ:
    
    https://datainfoplus.stats.govt.nz/Item/nz.govt.stats/b7c39358-aa03-446f-a27d-91c37caac35d#/nz.govt.stats/6a13af44-0057-4a63-835a-c1a0c6f8ef91#
    https://datainfoplus.stats.govt.nz/Item/example.org/438dbf04-3b3f-446a-b575-2f2df7d6531f#/example.org/5bfc6f30-7285-4ce8-8c7f-730386754faf#
    
    This is why there is always such massive disconnect between the benefit numbers and the reported unemployment rates.
    
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    August 4, 2022 11:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is a huge difference between being employed and being a worker. A lot of people have grown up in the unemployable generations.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    ….and others have made an art form out of it.
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:52am
- Jim
  
  Agree but it’s important to consider that the black and grey economies you refer to are just a euphemism for criminal or illegal activity, which afford negligible benefit (in deed only an expense) to NZ’s decent law abiding society.
  
  I stand aghast at the state of NZ today, especially considering the ideological grand standing by Ardern in 2017; can she really be that inept as a PM or has the destruction been deliberate?
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Deliberate
    
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    August 5, 2022 8:32am
- MCōs
  
  I was unemployed about three times over my forty six years working career; went along to WINZ and signed up for unemployment benefit. Only once did I get any money, for a couple of weeks, before I found a job again. Mainly because there was actually quite a like stand down period.
  I needs to spend my time being available if appropriate work came up, not committing myself to some shit job in another location and then finding real work presented itself a month later back where I was.
  In the meantime I was a statistic in the unemployed column.
  I had no qualms about fronting up at WINZ, but I’m sure plenty of office types like me wouldn’t go near the place. I made sure I dressed well so they wouldn’t send me off to a house repiling company or whatever.
  People lose jobs, but they still have to put sausages on the table.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:30am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Cool story bro, but there are in excess of a hundred thousand people who have been on a benefit for one year or more in this country.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:37am
- argie bargie
  
  This video explains why us employers don’t want to employ some people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2mxdrTP-os
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Up a little bit? They said it would drop to 2.8%
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:55am
- Liberty
  
  The unemployment number is dodgy.
  It is done through a survey. Thousand on Job seeker benefits are more likely not included.
  Job seeker beneficiaries masquerade as low-paid public servants on a low pay scale doing SFA.
  If we had an open and transparent government.
  All beneficiaries, including job seekers who are on a benefit, Should be treated as unemployed, and the actual number should be made public.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/127623203/can-we-trust-the-official-unemployment-number#:~:text=So%20how%20does%20Stats%20NZ,while%20not%20counting%20as%20unemployed.
  
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  August 4, 2022 2:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is a coup underway?

Finally, the mainstream media is reporting that a coup is under way in New Zealand – by the Māori tribal elite.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/08/03/democracy-the-treaty-and-the-coup-that-is-embedding-tribal-rule-into-our-regulatory-and-legislative-framework/
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August 4, 2022 8:07am
- Warren
  
  Maggie sooner or later someone will lead a revolt against this Government and there push to give Maori a 50% share of New Zealand with only approximately 17% of the population and anarchy will take over and make the the Parliamentry protest on the mandate of vaccinations look like a holiday.
  Labour and our Prime Minister are hell bent on deviding New Zealander’s and will continue this march of dismantling New Zealand’s democracy.
  I hope it never gets to this stage but it seem this Government only care about there vote and to hell with everybody else.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:23am
  - Yvette
    
    Not only will this Ardern Labour Government divide New Zealand into Maori against non-Maori, they will also divide Maori into elite against non-elite Maori – and there is a lot in that portion.
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:54am
    - Master Mariner
      
      “they will also divide Maori into elite against non-elite Maori – and there is a lot in that portion.”
      
      I could not agree more. That’s what I am seeing too Yvette. Broken down too Race they are the most disgruntled of the lot.
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:13am
      - Paulus
        
        Ngai Tahu in Canterbury this morning are feeling very pleased with the loaded Parliament law changes to now the Unelected seats of the tribe on ECAN.
        What Democracy ?
        
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        August 4, 2022 10:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I bet they are very pleased Paulus. Now they have a way to fund their grift through creating new Regulations and charging Fees.
        
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        August 4, 2022 1:45pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    And you reckon old Chris jumping from foot to foot isn’t doing that because he only cares about votes? It seems he is fine-tuning his approach rather than correcting it to try to make the public comfortable with the idea of what he says today won’t be the same tomorrow.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:10am
- G152
  
  As if it hasnt been the main undiscussed project for the last 2years
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:25am
- Simon
  
  Most of Labo & National are weak minded fools. A power structure outside are just making a bigger play. The “tribal” rule has been there for a long time but its been a lot more smaller. National always went along with this tribal rule.
  
  Its like Putin and the Ukraine. Russia always involved in the two eastern areas of Ukraine, Crimea makes a bigger play once the weak minded fool Biden is in charge. Same deal in NZ.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Who cares, Nat MPs are stating they will be vote equality if they are government, that’s all we should be worried about
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:58am
    - plc
      
      But based on past experience of their inaction in undoing Labour laws/initiatives…..a lot of us don’t believe them.
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:35am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Well stuff that attitude, i want this scum corrupt dictatorial government gone, i will take my bloody chances.
        
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        August 4, 2022 7:28pm
- Souvlaki
  
  In answer Maggie….UNEQUIVOCALLY YES!
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So are we going to have an insurrection type thing, with a kangaroo court to prosecute the bad guys?
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:59am
  - RichardX
    
    The January 6 Commision can not prosecute anyone….but don’t let facts get in the way of repeating what you have been told.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You and satire are enemies right?
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:49am
- oldfella
  
  Maggy, don’t trust the media. The acronym MSM in this country stands for ‘Maori Supremacy Matters’.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:24am
NK

Labour Chief of Staff, Rob Salmond, sent an email to supporters yesterday following the first cost of living payment asking for some of it back as a donation.

I. Kid. You. Not.
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August 4, 2022 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Our Dear PM denies knowing anything about it.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cost-of-living-payment-pm-jacinda-ardern-distances-herself-from-campaign-email/SCWHBVHGF65X6ABSP2TMU4HX5Q/
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:12am
  - All_on_Red
    
    She’s the Leader of the Labour Party and doesnt know what they are doing?
    Of course she doesn’t.
    This is good for a laugh. Or a sick bag.
    ’15 Times Jacinda Ardern has shown she is a true Leader’
    https://www.labour.org.nz/news-jacindaardern-leadership
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sick bag is full, pass the bucket
      
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      August 4, 2022 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      1. OK.
      2. She did not avoid the Covid devastation seen overseas.
      
      3. All of the 62000 guns handed in were NOT prohibited guns.
      
      4. White Island. Rescue emergency personal were actually stopped from going back to rescue more. People died because of this.
      
      5. History made at UN. Baby had her own ID. Sickening.
      
      6. 65000 children lifted out of poverty. Really??
      
      7. Matariki. A holiday to buy Moari votes.
      
      8. She promised to support people through tough times. Not fulfilled.
      
      9. Climate Change. Banned coal, now we import it – clever.
      
      10. Kiwi food best in and for the World. Labour hates farmers.
      
      11. Balances running the Country and looking after a child. She has a Nanny ffs.
      
      12. Wellbeing Budget. Health is a failure.
      
      13. First PM in pride parade. Pandering to the 53 genders.
      
      14. Sanitary products in schools. Sexist. Boys got nothing.
      
      15. Kept cool during an earthquake. Wow! Up on the Central Plateau the ground shakes all the time. People take no notice.
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And that’s how the country is run, but Luxon is crap (sarc)
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:04am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Did you put in the “(sarc)” thing so the lefties would understand?
        I don’t – stuff them!
        
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        August 4, 2022 4:59pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    “Colonel Hogan I know Nothing”
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:32am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Sargent Shultz.
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        But who is the hot one Fräulein Hilda?
        
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        August 4, 2022 5:05pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Is she refuding something again? I have to give her marks for consistency. //
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:39am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    my response – bullshit.
    Of course she knows but who’s gonna prove it. So she’s replying on it’s anyone’s word against hers.
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:58am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Like she never knew about the youth groping, never knew about the sexual predator in her party that everyone knew about, she is a lying toadie as usual
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You do know that she tells whopping big lies don’t you?
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:09am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Say it isn’t so!! Oh, that’s like saying “I refude that isn’t it”. lol
      
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      August 4, 2022 9:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, but you know what a lying …… she is eh?
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s “graft” defined perfectly. And I’m not talking about in relation to hard work. Quite the opposite.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:29am
  - kowtow
    
    Very little in the MSM about that political party donations trial .
    
    There’s more chatter about rugby or medals in Birmingham that this very fundamental issue .
    
    It’s almost as if it’s not happening .
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, so where is the media hit job, Cindy knew this was rotten and tried to distance herself from her own party, just imagine the outrage if this was Nats, it would be Luxon has blown it again
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:03am
curry4me

https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/legal-opinion-three-waters-bill-calculated-to-deceive/

Legal Opinion: Three Waters Bill “calculated to deceive”.

Like tens of thousands of New Zealanders, the Taxpayers’ Union submitted to the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee on Three Waters (Water Services Entities Bill). With the Union’s submission was a bombshell legal opinion.
Ministers have repeated assurances that councils will continue to own water assets under the proposed ‘Three Waters’. But those claims are utterly false. Public law firm Franks Ogilvie, in an opinion reviewed by Gary Judd QC, lay out the extent to which these claims have been “calculated to deceive Parliamentarians, and when it becomes law, to deceive New Zealanders generally”. The opinion is being released publicly today.
Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says, “It is clear the Government realised that they could not convince New Zealanders that handing over ownership of local assets was a good idea. So they’ve instead redefined ‘ownership’ to mean nothing, so they can promise continued community ‘ownership’ in an incredible display of contempt for the public, the truth and the law.”
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August 4, 2022 8:08am
- MCōs
  
  Twitter is full of “bombshell legal opinions” that are never heard of again.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:53am
- Paulus
  
  Who cares – the ABs are not winning either !
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:52am
- Raphael
  
  I saw Elliot Ikilei reporting that the government is only allocating 4 days for Oral Submissions……are they giving all submitters who requested to be heard 5 seconds each?
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:59am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX0zJKKWVyg
Why will the World Depend more and more on Africa?

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August 4, 2022 8:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Labour out to destroy our democracy?

It now appears beyond any reasonable doubt that this Government is determined to undermine, and eventually destroy, our democracy.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/one-of-the-world-s-most-successful-democracies-at-risk
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August 4, 2022 8:09am
- pdm
  
  `Is Labour out to destroy our democracy?’
  
  Why would anyone think otherwise Maggy?
  
  They have proved it time and again since October 2017.
  
  Thank you Winston – thank you very very much – for nothing.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes but you can’t deny that the Fearful Freds and Fannies gave her the impossible , an absolute majority under MMP .
    
    Thank them . You know who they are , the ones still wearing masks in the open air or alone in their cars when the law does not require it .
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:05am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Interesting that Winston’s one of the biggest opponents on social media – none of it’s his responsibility though…
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He is the complete blame of this utter shambles
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yes. How do you expect Ardern to implement the “great reset” if you don’t demolish the existing system first? It’s the only way possible to enable her to “build back better”.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:41am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, Scorched Earth Policy then “Build Back Better”.
    
    As proposed by the Davos Nutters Club and by default the UN.
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Communism says your must first destroy so you can replace it with its new philosophy.
    Lenin did it first and Stalin followed – then it destroyed itself, but Putin wants to recreate.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:55am
Maggie Pie

I am sooo proud of my white heritage.
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August 4, 2022 8:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You do realise we all have African forefathers?
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:14am
  - Inandout
    
    Maggy, forepersons please.
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not at the tennis club we don’t, silly!!
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:25am
- MCōs
  
  What is your white heritage?
  
  On my mother’s side it’s English & on my father’s side Irish.
  Bit of a clash going on there.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:47am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  We are all the descendents of psychopaths, murderers, cannibals, pedophiles and rapists. Europeans have a couple of percent neanderthal genes, that I would bet weren’t entirely willingly added to our African Sapiens ancestry.
  
  Speaking of Anthropophagi; that was apparently a thing during the cultural revolution, and not because they were hungry: https://allthatsinteresting.com/guangxi-massacre
  
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  August 4, 2022 12:36pm
Cassandra

Headlines this morning that National plans, in effect, to cut health funding. What National is actually going to do is increase health funding some years more than others. Why our “news” sources print rubbish escapes me but then I don’t tell lies for a living. National should adopt Labour’s bribe system, fund only those media outlets which are honest, penalise the rest.
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August 4, 2022 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Will Luxon point his finger at the dishonest media and say “You are Fake NEWS?”
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:20am
  - Ghost
    
    I don’t think he cares. When Gower claimed Luxon voted to keep abortion illegal he had the perfect chance to shut him down by stating he wasn’t in parliament then. Nothing, just silence from him and his team.
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:46am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Luxon was not present when that idiot Gower was lying. what happened to explaining is losing
      
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      August 4, 2022 7:32pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Luxon should sue Gower!!!
        
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        August 5, 2022 7:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He’s a bloody fool if he doesn’t and often.
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump style I am thinking!
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, yesterday was just another hitjob on Luxon, then the vulgar unions had a go, fact is he said funding for education and health would go up with or beyond inflation every year, he said some years by more, some years by less. He never stated less than inflation, he said funding would be more some years than others, he had just finished stating funding would at least match inflation every year
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “He never stated less than inflation, he said funding would be more some years than others, he had just finished stating funding would at least match inflation every year..”
    
    He did not need to say anything. Even back in 2008 when things were grim, health spending went up by ‘more than inflation’. It will continue to do so because the population will grow and age.
    
    And as this government has shown you can spend all you like and outcomes will go backwards.
    
    He needs to do much better. The stupid media are just waiting for him to say anything that they can use to print a ‘got you’ headline.
    
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    August 4, 2022 1:08pm
    - Groggy
      
      Actually that is entirely incorrect. The first thing the Key Govt did in 2009 was remove annual CPI increases from the health vote. New initiatives were added, causing the total vote to increase to provide additional services, but the annual inflation adjustment was removed and health was expected to find “efficiencies” in order to continue delivering core services without any additional funding. considering many DHB’s were already in deficit that just accelerated the degradation of the health system.
      
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      August 4, 2022 5:01pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “annual inflation adjustment”
        
        Which Appropriation Votes have an “annual inflation adjustment”? None?
        
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        August 4, 2022 7:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Quelle Horreur that the Health system should find efficiencies.
        
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        August 4, 2022 7:21pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Listen, he was specifically asked about still funding to at least inflation, what do you mean he shouldn’t have said anything? we have a lying corrupt PM that refuses to answer the questions, he was clear as a bell what he was saying , there was no botched announcement, there was no bloody back track at all. as for what you are talking about in 2008, i have no idea what that has to do with Luxon in 2022
      
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      August 4, 2022 7:53pm
Raphael

The Babylon Bee has an exhaustive list of problems that have been solved by government spending. It’s very informative

https://babylonbee.com/news/heres-a-complete-list-of-all-the-problems-that-have-been-solved-by-government-spending/
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August 4, 2022 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Increase the list to 100, and send it to Jaspinda for her to complete.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:23am
Simon

National’s tax policy is a big secret. People are making decisions now but smug National are sitting on the side lines playing games. Get the policy out so people can decide if its worthwhile staying or might as well go to Australia now.
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August 4, 2022 8:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  What’s the point of rushing a policy out Simon? For a start, National will need the best information on the state of the economy, and that is changing every day. Rushed policy is almost always bad policy.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:38am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Confidentially Tony do you think National’s surge in the polls is now tanking? And that’s the reason Chris is learning te reo?
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:13am
    - Cassandra
      
      Confidentially Brian, do you think you’re being sensible in writing rubbish? All you’re doing is confirming what we all think, that lefties are pretty silly.
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:46am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Not at all Chris. Sure, they fell 4 points in the Roy Morgan poll, but set against a background of Parliament in recess, wall-to-wall coverage of the PM overseas and a media attack on Luxon for daring to take a holiday overseas during the recess, what do you expect?
      
      It’s only a matter of time until the Reserve Bank hikes the OCR again, and probably not just once, and those who are mortgaged up to their eyeballs will feel the pain of interest rates rising alongside other rises in the cost of living. When it starts to hurt the pocket, Labour’s vote will collapse.
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:57am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Heh, it already is hurting their pockets.
        
        I actually listened to Tova this morning – she had a lot to say to a very defensive Minister Sepuloni about the Children’s Commissioner and definitely gave Erica Stanford some clean airtime about the failure of this govt’s immigration policy
        
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        August 4, 2022 11:08am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Erica Stanford is a seriously impressive politician. She will surely get a senior portfolio if National wins next year, probably Education, and if she makes a decent fist of that, the sky’s the limit.
        
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        August 4, 2022 11:13am
      - Isobar
        
        Tony, but this is the issue. National’s strategy for their whole five years in opposition seems to have been wait and hope for the government to mess up.
        
        Its not exactly inspirational stuff, right at the time they should be looking to show they are a credible government in waiting. Now is the time to be out there rebuilding trust with the public. We want to know what sort of government a luxon led one will look like, what its aspirations are and what does it want to achieve.
        
        It doesn’t have to release exact policy to do this, but so far, they are doing nothing. Its been incredibly disappointing.
        
        Seymour gets it. He really is the leader National wishes it had.
        
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        August 4, 2022 1:56pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I think you’re answer is in the down votes
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:27am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Are you that guy that David Garrett warned me about?
      
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      August 4, 2022 7:12pm
- Nookin
  
  I am puzzled, Simon. Here you are bitching abo0ut National and the fact that they have not yet released a finance policy (more than the year before the election, I might add) and yet there was not and has not been a peep from you when the Labour party failed to release a single policy before the last election and declared it was a Covid election.
  Now, they are implementing policy that has been kept under wraps (including withholding it from its own coalition partner), riding roughshod over the electorate in the most arrogant manner. And still not a peep from you!
  In a few words you have exhausted the nations annual hypocrisy quota. Well done.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:30am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Quite so Nookin. It’s exactly as Paul Goldsmith described in his speech about the Canterbury/Nga Tahu legislation yesterday:
    
    Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH: Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Minister Willie Jackson said the nature of democracy has changed. And I suppose the question is: “To what?” And when did we decide, as a country, that the nature of our democracy has changed? I don’t recall going along to a constituent assembly where we all decided that the nature of our democracy had changed. I don’t recall a referendum where we decided, and I don’t recall the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, going to the people at the 2020 election saying, “By the way, I’m going to change the nature of our democracy.” What mandate have they got for it, and what does it mean?
    
    The suggestion is that the Treaty of Waitangi demands this. Well, it is our view, on this side of the House, that the Treaty of Waitangi does not trump democracy, and the country hasn’t decided that, and so, ultimately, what is being pushed here is, I think, a very divisive agenda which is pitting one group of New Zealanders against the others. They’ll say we’re being divisive by opposing it. This is not something that we have put forward; it is something that the Government has put forward. They haven’t argued for it, and they haven’t made a case for it. They are making a significant change to our democracy without asking New Zealanders first.
    
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    August 4, 2022 11:02am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yes, but Rawiri’s people have been waiting 180 years for this…
      
      (I don’t believe Rawiri is the kind of gentleman who would ever take No for an answer)
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:13am
      - pdm
        
        Suze – not sure gentleman is a word that fits with Rawiri.
        
        Any man who wears his hat indoors is not a gentleman.
        
        Unless the hat is part of a uniform – eg Police.
        
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        August 4, 2022 2:20pm
- Ghost
  
  You do not put policy out this far out from an election. If you don’t want to stay and rebuild this country, instead leave when things are bad then come back when they are good then please leave now and don’t come back, you aren’t the kind of kiwi we need.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:49am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Dead right. I logged on to a regional policy meeting last night, and there’s a huge amount of work going on in developing policy for next year. We’ll get a few morsels at conference this weekend, but for the most part, National will keep its powder dry until election year.
    
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    August 4, 2022 11:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Get the Policy out so Labour can steal it? That’s good thinking.
  Bit like getting school exam answers from someone else
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:14am
  - Paulus
    
    But you can now get NCEA with only 33% attendence – but employers are getting wise to lack of ability with teens to even read and write even their own names for a start, in filling an application form.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yeah, my oldest just got a job at New World and I noticed they made him handwrite his Application.
      Very smart little filter.
      
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      August 4, 2022 1:54pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are still working on all policy for the 2023 election, smug is the government waiting for Nats to announce policy and to take it now, wake up, it’s too early to deliver election policy
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:26am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Remember when Golriz was photographed standing smiling alongside bestie Simon Bikindi….the Rwandan Musician who was later convicted of incitement-to-genocide and sentenced to 15 years in prison?

Seems the silly gurl can’t get anything right 🙁

https://twitter.com/AgentSmith_NZ/status/1554717295288602625
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August 4, 2022 8:23am
- Raphael
  
  Ghahraman’s bill is intended to be a sweeping fix of New Zealand’s electoral rules, it fully repeals bans on prisoners voting (going beyond Labour’s limited repeal), it lowers the voting age to 16, and puts an annual cap of $35,000 on someone’s political donations – there is currently no cap.
  
  * Repealing bans on prisoners voting. Terrible idea. if you committed a crime that lands you in jail (especially with the number of dud judges NZ has) you should be excluded from participating in society, including voting.
  * Voting age to 16 It is well documented that the human brain is typically still developing until about age 25. We should be increasing the voting age, not decreasing it. (the only reason to decrease it is there are a bunch of 16yr old idealists who have never encountered reality who will vote Green)
  *cap on donations This is the one that breaches the Bill of rights.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:00am
  - Bullion
    
    Its dumb to try and argue that voting age should be increased as the brain is developing – guess what by your 30s/40s your brain starts to decline, shall we put a cap on the voting age then?
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:07am
    - Raphael
      
      I actually don’t think that the voting age should be shifted at all. But if we’re going to have a debate around shifting the voting age, there is a better argument for increasing it rather than decreasing it.
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:27am
  - cmm
    
    Quite
    The average first time prisoner has something like 48 convictions (I forget the exact number).
    
    That means any prisoner has a history of making very bad decisions for their own life, and the lives of their families and victims.
    
    Giving them the vote allows them to extend that bad decision making to the whole country.
    
    If there is to be a change surrounding prisoners and voting, then how about this: any person imprisoned for a crime gets voting rights stripped until 10 years after leaving prison.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Human Rights Lawyer, allegedly.
  She represented those who committed the Genocide!
  But don’t tell anyone. Lie by omission, just like Jaspinda
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:19am
- Harry Knuts
  
  i sometimes wonder if this Greenie is missing a few brain cells. She’s just a little too chip on her shoulder to be effective at meaningful change.
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is our Dear PM “as silly as a two-bob watch”?

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/ardern-s-train-wreck-q-and-a-interview
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August 4, 2022 8:31am
- Ehlana
  
  I’ll gladly take the watch Maggy.
  
  Watches don’t move much, so we could get a Parliamentary cat to go with it. Give the Press something to follow.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:41am
- Swifty
  
  Ardern was lying to our faces in that Tame interview.
  
  The absolute best things NZ voters can do for themselves and everyone else is vote on politicians delivering results. Hard and measurable results.
  
  Voting on what politicians say are their intentions, their aspirations, their promises, is foolish and will end in tears for us all time after time after time.
  
  It is absolutely no coincidence whatsoever that Ardern and Labour want us to determine our voting intentions based on the latter. I’ve heard this from them over and over.
  
  Given the lack of results, the results going backwards, the appalling waste of taxpayer monies, the lost opportunities and time – New Zealand would have been far better off if Labour did absolutely nothing these last five years – rather than this ‘at least we’re trying’ bull dust.
  
  Do or not do. There is no try.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:12am
  - Paulus
    
    It was said yesterday that the lady voters are moving back from Luxon and back to Jacinda.
    
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    August 4, 2022 11:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Funny that, because the poll after Roe v Wade had no impact to the Nats what so ever, a few days later a leaked part of that poll showed the women cut had given Nats a 1% increase from the previous poll, so that is utter bullshit as usual
      
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      August 4, 2022 7:57pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Ardern is the Queen of Gaslighting. Take a statement someone says as factual and she turns it back on them.
  She really has a toxic relationship with NZ these days.
  Ardern – failure is failure – i’ve you’ve set targets and haven’t met them = failure.
  Harvard speech is not an achievement for NZ – only yours selfishly.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:18am
- Master Mariner
  
  Delusional Maggy would be an apt description.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jack was being a naughty boy. He will be punished, don’t know how.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:21am
Biscuit

Can Stuff sink any lower?

Not just with their non-stop ‘Ain’t Jacinda Amazeballs?’ or their apparent ‘White bad, Black good’ agenda but today, gasp, in Question 1 of the Daily Quiz they ask:

Who currently holds the Ranfurly Shield?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, eh?

I would have missed it but pdm, of this blog, didn’t … and he is a citizen of the backwater province that (apparently) DOES hold said Shield and wasted no time in emailing me to clue me in.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, again.
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August 4, 2022 8:37am
- pdm
  
  When the Bay is on the ball
  You can hear the Hawkeye call
  
  COME ON THE BAY!!!!!!!!!
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:45am
  - Biscuit
    
    I have no more Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs to give…
    
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    August 4, 2022 8:51am
  - All_on_Red
    
    “There’s something about a Magpie”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eu9x4jafLI
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:06am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      There’s definitely something about Maggie Pie…
      
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      August 4, 2022 9:54am
  - oldfella
    
    Wow, pdm, you just sent me spinning back to the 1950s, and the old Sunday Request Sessions on radio. The original song cropped up most weeks back then as we tucked in to Mum’s roast beef and Yorkshire pudding.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGJYU6ginE
    I’m going to be singing that in my head now for the rest of the day. 😉
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t get it.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rugby supporters go crazy when their team gets a shot at the ‘log of wood’
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:30am
Frank the tank

So when does Poor Man’s Gordon Brown announce the Empire Games for “Tamati Maccasrau” New Zimbabwe in 2034?

A waterfront stadium “Te Fukaloadofmoney” announced mid way through 2023……..
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August 4, 2022 8:38am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Built by Mahuta Construction Ltd and with a forecasted budget blowout
  
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  August 4, 2022 12:08pm
Tony Stuart

How good is Paul Coll? That squash final at Birmingham was simply magnificent, with Coll winning in the end to cap off a remarkable season.

And what an effort from Hamish Kerr to win the men’s high jump; it’s been a golden morning, after the mountain-bikers gave us a 1-2 finish just after midnight.
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August 4, 2022 8:42am
- pdm
  
  Now for Zoe Hobbs in a few minutes.
  
  A top 5 finish would be pretty good – a medal excellent.
  
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  August 4, 2022 8:47am
  - MCōs
    
    Unfortunately she came 6th, but did remarkably well in an event that NZ has never excelled.
    The Jamaican woman just did enough to win without expending too much energy.
    The highlight on the track was the women’s 10,000m. Often these races can be a procession, but not today.
    The lowlight was the disqualification of David Liti’s second lift by the jury after it was initially cleared in the weightlifting. He had a chance at gold at that point.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:13am
    - oldfella
      
      Thank goodness Laurel Hubbard has retired so we were spared another transgender circus.
      
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      August 4, 2022 10:50am
Captain Mainwaring

Chap I know has bought one of the apartments under construction on the old cigarette factory site in Petone. He’s just been advised of the address which has been assigned to it, all legally registered with the post office:
12 Te Ara O Ripeka Wharawhara
Petone. Lower Hutt, 5012.
Our country has gone mad.
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August 4, 2022 8:48am
- JimBobJoe
  
  No Labour Mayor Campbell Barry decide all new streets should be Maori from now on….with the support of all his Labour Councillors and doubtless cheered on by all the Taranaki Maori affiliates in Council roles, ay Kara?
  
  Hutt City bows to the Puketapus and Olsens… Its quite breath taking to see them operate
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Campbell Barry is going in unopposed as mayor. On top of this nonsense he approved Three Waters.
    Looks like I’ve got nobody to vote for, so I won’t vote.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:39am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Hopefully, you will vote for STV in the electoral systems poll, though.
      
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      August 4, 2022 12:47pm
- MCōs
  
  Could have been 12 Capstan Plain, 12 De Reszke Virginia Boulevard, 12 Lung Cancer Lane, 12 Greys Fine Cut Grove
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Any of these would be preferable.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:40am
    - MCōs
      
      Our house in Bangkok is at
      86 Chaloem Prakiat Rathakan Thi 9 Soi 53
      Even the postman can’t find it.
      
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      August 4, 2022 11:00am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf last nite…..HDPA speaking with the sports guy on ZB.
She was waxing-lyrical about “the great bodies on the men swimmers at the Comm Games”.

A few minutes later, she reverts to a disappointed monotone and says…”Evening Barry”

LOL!!
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August 4, 2022 8:54am
- Raphael
  
  can you imagine the outrage if a male reporter commented on the bodies of the female swimmers?
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep . She gets away with “Love you long time” , as a sign off . In the PC world that’s a no no .
    
    All fine by me . We need a bit of humour and non pc stuff , even loads of it.
    
    But the double standards and hypocrisy of the pc mob are astounding.
    
    But then that’s not the issue really is it .
    
    What we see is simple activism , against selected targets . Usually pale stale males .
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:13am
  - James Stephenson
    
    No need. I’ve been “enjoying” the outrage when male reporters have commented on the “hotness” of the England girls that just won the European Cup.
    
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    August 4, 2022 9:50am
  - Observer of Life
    
    I remember Alison Maudrooling over that Maori Dr from up north (Lance ???) when she had him on a show she was fronting several years ago (yes, after she decided to come out). Her and the other female were going on about how cute he was. As you say, imagine if they same were to be done to a “hot” female by a few men. Alison Mau for one would be bitching. Hypocrisy much.
    
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    August 4, 2022 4:04pm
ClanMcleod

Never forget, the vaccines are “safe and effective”. Never forget, as Brenda told us, this vaccine will be like the measles vaccine and stop covid. Rachel Maddow, Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau. The list of people who told us the vaccine is effective and it would stop transmission of covid is long and distinguished.

Probably the most entertaining short video you will see today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV63fjgAzwc

Jimmy Dore does his usual up front analysis of the circus show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7ka2eUwwWc
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August 4, 2022 8:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I bet if asked today if the vaccine prevents transmission, Jacinda would say yes. Or she would give you waffle word soup. Because if she said no she would expose the vaccine mandates and those stupid passports that excluded the unvaccinated as based on lies.
  
  She knows she 🤥 lies and as they are exposed she resorts to word waffle soup. There would be no politician globally who speaks such nonsense and gets away with it. Well except Biden but he is likely suffering from cognitive impairment. With Jacinda it is just willful.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:18am
  - Zero Kindness
    
    Remember the vaccine mandates are still very much in place in NZ. Nurses, doctors, paramedics, etc all need to be jabbed or lose their jobs.
    No chance of getting a new contract/job in the public service unless your jabbed.
    When will this madness end?
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:50am
Suze Wainwright

How did Shane Te Pou become such a phenomenal polymath?

Was it years of training and learning in the worldly arts or is it his(?) masterful application of the Maori world view and Maori scientific knowledge?

P.S. has anyone heard anything from Matthew Tukaki lately…?
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August 4, 2022 9:07am
Frank the tank

Can someone with the Ferald’s paywall enlighten me what Labour’s cheerleader Tommy boy was moaning about the new Tauranga MPs maiden speech. The gist of it was very good – not much about thee, more about what he stood for and the current state of New Zimbabwe.

Obviously little Tommy and his minders didn’t like the truth being told
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August 4, 2022 9:10am
- MCōs
  
  Don’t be a bludger
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:34am
  - Frank the tank
    
    C’mon Cosy enlighten me as to what got Tommyboy’s panties in a twist as Uffindell correctly calls New Zimbabwe for what it is.
    
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    August 4, 2022 10:43am
- kowtow
  
  From the article you don’t know what he said.
  
  But it was clearly a very nasty attack by Cockers.
  
  He starts off by saying the media are usually “pretty nice” to incoming MP’s and their maiden speeches. That’s polite as it’s the Mp’s baby steps there.
  
  But he syas Uf’s was “bad enough to shatter this truce”
  
  Mps he says are meant to work on this speech ( implying he hadn’t)
  
  It was bereft of personal views A dry regurgitation of Nat social policy , and law and order.
  
  It was ” soporific sophistry”
  
  Delivery was dry “like last place in a third form speech competition”
  
  He read from his notes.
  
  Now all this was in stark contrast to some Labour new Labour MP who last week was , amazeballs.
  
  Hopefully the rest of the Nats learn from this , as if they needed to .
  
  Defund the Press.
  
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  August 4, 2022 12:31pm
Rusty

Don Brash on the Bolt report last night was spot on revealing Jacinda/Labours diabolical plan to give ‘elite’ Maori co-governance in this country.

If this govt tries to implement this wicked marxist/tribal plot to destroy democracy in NZ then the backlash from Nzers (Pakeha, Maori, PI, Asian etc) is going to turn ugly on our streets and elsewhere.

Shame on our media and dead duck Chris Luxon/National for saying nothing.
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August 4, 2022 9:11am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I kinda get the feeling that Albanese is closely watching Jacinda for tips on how to make laws on matters that were never put before the people at election time…
  
  Somehow though, I also get the feeling that the good citizenry of Aus might be a wee bit more staunch and unforgiving than the current unwitting populace of aotearoa
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:20am
Benedict Yu

Fun fact. In Australia in July, more Ferraris were sold than were Teslas.
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August 4, 2022 9:11am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Source?
  
  I’d like to believe it, but it’s a struggle.
  
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  August 4, 2022 7:54pm
- Nickc2
  
  Better resale value on Ferraris, far better than Bank Interest!!
  
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  August 5, 2022 8:03am
Benedict Yu

I am getting online ads from NZTA telling me not to drink and drive. What a waste of money. Anyone who still drives after excessive drinking is a sociopath or alcoholic or both. They are not going to be changed by an advertisement.
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August 4, 2022 9:13am
- Harry Knuts
  
  or capable or reading an ad
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:26am
- JimBobJoe
  
  True that Ben… But there will be a small number of young people who are just not rational yet who maybe reached… So its not a complete waste though the ads and delivery platforms should be better targeted I would argue
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:29am
- septic skeptic
  
  Does it include any te reo?
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:14am
Yvette

The Freedom and Rights Coalition has been warned it could face enforcement action if it goes ahead with an event at Auckland Domain this weekend.
As of Tuesday night, the Brian Tamaki-associated protest group had not sought permission from Auckland Council for its “Kiwi Patriot Day and March”, which is set to be held on Saturday.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/08/council-warns-freedom-and-rights-coalition-of-enforcement-action-if-weekend-protest-goes-ahead.html

Amongst the freedoms advocated, does Brian Tamaki’s Rights Coalition have a position on “3 Waters” and the related question of “co-governance“?
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August 4, 2022 9:15am
Gravelroad

Remember that National Party leader who talked funny and was subjected to a ruthless sacking because of what people said on Twitter?
Am enjoying his podcasts on $tuff (yes, I know – $tuff).
He seems to be talking sense and he is, actually – a funny guy.
Sigh.
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August 4, 2022 9:28am
- Libertarians are right
  
  “Remember that National Party leader who talked funny and was subjected to a ruthless sacking because of what an Australian Bot Farm said on Twitter?”
  
  I fixed it for you.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Have a lemon tree that fruited well this year. Been putting them down the bottom of the drive, with a free sign. Yesterday put about 25 in a washing basket, then drove off to the Mall.
Come home and all the lemons are gone, and the washing basket, and the ‘free’ sign.
I thought we lived in a nice neighbourhood – thieving bastards!
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August 4, 2022 9:28am
- Inandout
  
  Steve, you were ‘cleaned out’.
  
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  August 4, 2022 9:39am
- Ghost
  
  Maybe if you are lucky they will bring the washing basket back full with dirty washing for you to do for them.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:14am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You needed a legal document at the bottom to clearly state that “free” only applied to the lemons. Not the basket and sign. Good grief, people need detailed instructions for everything these days. lol
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:20am
- Biscuit
  
  ‘Free’ signs aren’t cheap, Steve!
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:56am
- Harry Knuts
  
  next time – leave in a box.. hahaha… fair call they probably thought the basket was free too..
  I do these freebees on the roadside alot… great way to dump stuff when clearing out the garage/house.
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:46am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Same thing happened to us in Whangarei. Even the sign was taken. Really sad.
  
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  August 4, 2022 1:19pm
Master Mariner

https://studybounty.com/analysis-of-united-nations-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples-essay

“In addition to that, with no definite definition of who indigenous people are, the declaration offers a more inclusive look into who they are without offering a strict classification [Original source: https://studybounty.com/analysis-of-united-nations-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples-essay%5D”
And,
“The non-signatories to the document such as Australia, Canada, the United States and New Zealand is a testament to this struggle. The four countries arguing that signing on to this would undermine their sovereign power. [Original source: https://studybounty.com/analysis-of-united-nations-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples-essay%5D”

So on the face of it, We are giving away our Sovereignity to People we can not identify as Indigenous.

Time to disband the UN that has outlived its usefulness.
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August 4, 2022 9:29am
ClanMcleod

Eugyppius is clearly living in Germany. I look forward to one day knowing who this tower of anti covid insanity really is. They have been a beacon of hope in a sea of madness. Latest missive.

“The Corona regime, as it decays, becomes nothing but an agglomeration of wholly unjustified rules and a machine for the petty harassment of its own citizens.”

Sounds very much like Ardern and her regime here in NZ.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/proposed-german-legislation-envisions?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

“Proposed German Legislation Envisions Mask Mandates for Those Who Refuse A Fourth Dose in the Fall”

“Our clown health minister Karl Lauterbach and our useless liberal Minister of Justice Marco Buschmann have finally agreed on draft legislation to replace our current Infection Protection Act, which expires in September. As predicted, the compromise is masking and not much else.”

Similar to Ardern. Hanging onto anything she can as her narrative crumbles. Her coercion of masks on children is a despicable act, as is her using the schools to do her dirty work for her.

Always worth checking out his/her posts.
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August 4, 2022 9:51am
- septic skeptic
  
  Yet at the same time you masked mum in the supermarket with a couple of unmasked kids.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:18am
ClanMcleod

It looks like unlike NZ, Uruguay has a functioning legal system.

“Uruguay suspends Covid-19 vaccines for under 13s following judge ruling. A judge ordered on Thursday that all inoculations in that age group halt until officials present documents relating to contracts signed with vaccine manufacturers.”

That sounds like a reasonable demand to me.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/07/07/uruguay-suspends-covid-19-vaccines-for-under-13s-following-judge-ruling/
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August 4, 2022 10:01am
- Master Mariner
  
  Uruguay has always been a sea of sanity amongst South American countries.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:10am
westernScientist

Latest email from groundswell:

We’re kicking off a new campaign to SAY NO to helping the Government implement their unworkable regulations.

The Government constantly demands both information and action in support of policies that are counterproductive and impossible to comply with.

Until the Government implements workable regulations, we’re calling on all food producers and land owners to SAY NO.

SAY NO to Government surveys of your private land

SAY NO to central government-controlled farm plans

SAY NO to calculating your emissions number

SAY NO to applying for Winter Grazing consents

The FARM-led boycott of the Agricultural Production Census forced media coverage of the failings of the Government’s emissions metric, GWP100, as food producers demanded the Government use a warming effect approach to measuring agricultural emissions.

Now, saying no to these other inputs to unworkable regulations will pressure the Government on the rest of their unworkable programme.

https://www.groundswellnz.co.nz/campaigns/say-no
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August 4, 2022 10:15am
Maggie Pie

Look at this for a bloody EYESORE….. Efeso Territory 🙁

https://twitter.com/Kellybythesea1/status/1554590626767060992

And I see they’re tweeting that the Wellington CC is busy doing the same thing….using planter-boxes to steal carparks in Cuba Street.
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August 4, 2022 10:18am
- alex Masterley
  
  I am sure that some-one will happen along with a fork lift and re-arange the planter boxes, as they did in Onehunga.
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:04am
- Harry Knuts
  
  They’ve done this out in henderson too. bloody ugly and pointless. And looks like a 5yr old designed and painted it too.
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:48am
Jack5

Germany is having second thoughts about closing its last three nuclear electricity-generation plants in December.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz says extending the life of the reactors beyond the end of the year “could make sense.”

Worries are mounting in Germany about the impact of a much-reduced supply of Russian gas.

New Zealand shouldn’t rule out nuclear power generation.
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August 4, 2022 10:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The hippies of the 80s will never allow it. Just say the word “Nuclear” and they start acting like they did in the 80s.
  They just did not grow up to adulthood.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:47am
- Cassandra
  
  Precluded by our independent foreign policy. It became, and still is, a religion. Tub of lard goes to UK, smartarses an American and somehow becomes Christ reincarnated. Go figure.
  
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  August 4, 2022 10:55am
- curry4me
  
  Maybe grannies in NZ could knit their German rellies some gloves, and beanies in time for winter. I’m sure they’d be greatly appreciated as Christmas presents by then. I wonder how those wool futures are looking?
  
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  August 4, 2022 2:07pm
Jack5

Ardern’s bought-off media is turning the mutiny gun on National.

The subsidised NZ Herald trumpets an article by Labour activist Shane Te Pou alleging Christopher Luxon isn’t up to the job of Leader of the Opposition.

It’s a desperate tactic when you’re back is to the wall. Create dissension among the opposition.

I believe National would have been stronger under Bridges and Bennett, but that’s in the past.

FFS National, with 15 months or so to go before the election, don’t change the captaincy again. That would save Labour and allow it to finish off democracy in this country.

At least the Herald puts Te Pou behind its pay-wall. However, that confirms the main reader target: National supporters.
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August 4, 2022 11:03am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Just cause Shane says it doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s an easy tactic to throw it out there without any proof and just hope it takes off in a life of it’s own.
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:50am
- coge
  
  Something needs to give, because NZ simply doesn’t identify with Chris Luxon. Subsequent polling is likely to confirm this as reality. It’s not up to us to carry him over the line. The leader needs to be an asset, not a liability.
  
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  August 4, 2022 2:18pm
- Piticus
  
  Surely it is unbelievably wrong for the NZHorrid to publish this article by a former Labour Party executive and active left-wing activist !!(paywall or no paywall). I have finally (and it has taken ages) become FULLY convinced of the absolute bias of the MSM – I was always hoping (against hope) that their was some independence – how wrong I have been. !
  
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  August 5, 2022 10:46am
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    ‘there’ even ………….
    
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    August 5, 2022 11:45am
Tony Stuart

Question of the Day: Is the economy safer when Grant Robertson is having a snooze in the House, or when he’s awake and interfering with it?

https://twitter.com/Suitandtie9999/status/1554753654661337089
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August 4, 2022 11:16am
- mandk
  
  It’s even safer when he is on the other side of the world.
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:20am
- Ghost
  
  Neither. When asleep he’s having wet dreams of how to screw it up even more. But in his defense that person beside him puts most people into a deep nightmare filled sleep
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:37am
mandk

From the Commerce Commission’s draft report on NZ’s building supplies industry:

“We also consider that better engagement
with Māori is key to achieving their aspirations and ensuring that Māori perspectives are better
reflected in the building regulatory system”

Has there ever been more stupid, virtue-signaling twaddle written?
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August 4, 2022 11:19am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yes:
  
  “This raises both cultural and technical issues, which we must address before embarking on a transition to hydrogen as a green fuel.
  
  Consuming water has cultural implications
  
  Freshwater has enormous significance to iwi and hapū. However, their views on hydrolysis as a consumptive use of water are not widely understood. If cultural complexity is ignored, hydrogen infrastructure or processes may fail to achieve an appropriate fit within Aotearoa New Zealand society and the technology could be orphaned.”
  https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/117018/new-zealand-touting-green-hydrogen-economy-it-will-face-big-environmental-and
  
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  August 4, 2022 12:47pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Until I saw the link, I thought that was a spoof
    
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    August 4, 2022 7:59pm
Maggie Pie

OMG! 😀 😀 😀
A girl from tennis just txt a ‘monkeypox’ joke….

Q: “What do you call a gay monkey?”
A: “A chimp pansy”

(Get it – a chimpanzee)

LOL!!!!
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August 4, 2022 11:28am
- Ghost
  
  Damn, I thought the answer was Grant
  
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  August 4, 2022 11:35am
kevn

@Tony… Gravitas + cred = zero.
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August 4, 2022 11:28am
I remember when

Napier meth-user breaks woman’s arm, sideswipes her car: HB Today.
Sentenced to 10 months home detention.
Judge referred to a victim impact report by the woman, in which she wrote that she thought that he would kill her.
Defence counsel said use of methamphetamine had clouded his judgement.

Article doesn’t mention whether either of them were in the car with the woman at the time.
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August 4, 2022 11:54am
I remember when

Highbury-Westbrook Neighbourly.co.nz
Wanted someone to screw in door.
I suspect you may be too late.
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August 4, 2022 11:57am
Prince

Commerce report into building industry…
‘Not enough competition…’
‘Too many regulations, consent process too slow and complicated…’
In other words, not enough Capitalism, too much Socialism.
Labour Govt will ‘look into it…’.

Expect more regulations.
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August 4, 2022 12:09pm
Lee C

This is a shocking development in the drive to deminise anti-mandate people.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=466788341556299&aggr_v_ids%5B0%5D=466788341556299&notif_id=1659473603998058&notif_t=watch_follower_video&ref=notif
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August 4, 2022 12:41pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  The more you see these kinds of desperate and delusional narratives being pushed out for public consumption, the more it makes you question everything else you’ve ever been told to accept as fact by the same sources. To assume that this is a new phenomenon is unrealistic. They’ve always pushed fake politically expedient ideas, the only difference being that once you are familiar with the concept, it’s that much easier to understand what is going on.
  
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  August 4, 2022 1:30pm
Nickc2

Green spin and propaganda merchants’ predictions go tits up over the Great Barrier Reef.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/08/greenies-spewin-great-barrier-reef-study-shows-greatest-coral-cover-on-record.html
The northern and central Great Barrier Reef have recorded their highest amount of coral cover since the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) began monitoring 36 years ago.
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August 4, 2022 12:43pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The good news will be reported tonight on TVNZ News (/s) nightly climate change segment.
  TVNZ News are nothing if not balanced.
  
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  August 4, 2022 12:59pm
Ghost

Where to start with this one, the pitiful home detention sentence or that they even thought allowing him to go to university was appropriate and even safe for woman there

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300653250/corrections-does-uturn-after-allowing-teenaged-rapist-to-attend-university
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August 4, 2022 12:54pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this worth sharing with the group….

Now why would anyone want to do this?
He obviously gets pleasure out of it.
Certainly not my cup of tea. I even get claustrophobic when my partner pulls the blankets over my head 🙁

https://twitter.com/Unexplained/status/1503152300340105217
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August 4, 2022 1:13pm
I remember when

Parker says ‘nothing to investigate’ with cost of living payment after National’s call: Newshub.
Naturally the media took him at his word.
So didn’t.
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August 4, 2022 1:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally National starts addressing Labour’s Spin machine.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2208/S00053/labour-fires-up-the-spin-machine.htm

I wonder when the MSM will report on Labour’s deflections from their regular balls-ups.
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August 4, 2022 1:53pm
Nickc2

What a despicable selfish act committed by Nancy Pelosi (US Dem Speaker) going to Taiwan.
Did it ever enter her alcohol-addled brain that she was putting the Taiwanese people in danger when she insisted on going to Taiwan?
All this stupidity to gain a few votes at the US Mid-Term Elections in November at the expense of the possible demise of millions of Taiwanese should China choose to attack. Her act’s unforgivable IMO.
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August 4, 2022 1:57pm
- virtualmark
  
  Really? So when 3 GOP Senators visited Taiwan last year was that also despicable, selfish, and putting Taiwan at risk?
  
  Or was it just the US political establishment supporting democracies in the Asian region?
  
  And aren’t we all meant to be wanting to see China pushed back?
  
  And maybe the Chinese response will be shown to be just window-dressing. (It will). And a great opportunity for US/Quad etc intelligence to observe China’s weaponry and preparedness.
  
  China might want to take Taiwan, but militarily really couldn’t. Don’t under-estimate just hard it would be to conduct an amphibious landing across 130km of ocean against a defender who’s only got half a dozen suitable landing spots, which are all very strongly defended. The logistics would be hopeless. China invading Taiwan would play out as well as Russia invading Ukraine has.
  
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  August 4, 2022 4:28pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The 3 GOP Senators are not in the pecking order for POTUS. Pelosi is currently number 3 in line for POTUS.
    The CCP did not issue a warning to the 3 GOP Senators.
    
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    August 4, 2022 7:11pm
cmm

And the fear machine continues:
“There are 663 people in hospital with the virus, 14 of whom are in intensive care or high dependency care units. ”

Last week I was one of the people in hospital with the virus.

On Monday last week I was in hospital for the day.
I was asymptomatic (and still am).
Had had CV19 about a month back.
Had a negative RAT in the ward.
But was given a PCR which came back positive (most likely because they test positive for a long time after an infection).

Yup, such a dangerous virus they need to count asymptomatic historic infections as people in hospital with CV19.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300653846/covid19-6152-new-community-cases-663-people-in-hospital
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August 4, 2022 2:09pm
- Ghost
  
  Wait until they ramp up monkeypox in a few months.
  
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  August 4, 2022 3:05pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I have natural immunity against monkeypox – my darling wife of 33 years.
    
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    August 5, 2022 11:19pm
- MCōs
  
  A PCR test is about 96% reliable if you have the virus & 95% reliable if you don’t.
  The reliability of a RAT goes down if you are asymptomatic.
  Maybe the positive test is a hangover from your earlier infection, maybe not.
  Hospitals are on a hiding to nothing.
  If they were to ignore the PCR test result, or skip it altogether, and you were to infect some people, they look bad.
  They’d probably rather put up with your grizzling.
  
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  August 4, 2022 4:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hangover? What is that?????
    
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    August 4, 2022 5:27pm
mogg

Good article by Virginia Fallon today in Stuff.
It’s about Doolittle’s non crisis in hospitals.
An eighty year old woman with a broken pelvis left on her own in Hutt Hospital corridor because there are no beds.
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August 4, 2022 3:01pm
MCōs

Alex Jones got his beans in court today.
https://twitter.com/mattcarr55/status/1554895880439975938?s=21&t=r0Hl0KNv42UORGIEeq7jig
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August 4, 2022 3:05pm
- All_on_Red
  
  That’s really funny
  Talk about a ‘gotcha’
  Jones’s lawyers are going to have a problem too
  
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  August 4, 2022 3:29pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Jones’ lawyer’s actions are a bit odd here.
    
    It’s possible he mistakenly provided the phone image in the discovery documents. But he was then given the opportunity to withdraw them but didn’t. It’s almost like he wanted them to be used …
    
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    August 4, 2022 4:16pm
    - virtualmark
      
      And this has major spillover.
      
      The DoJ and Congress’ 6 January committee will both subpoena the phone image, which has the text messages and emails from Jones’ involvement in the post-election stuff.
      
      And Jones’ ex-wife is also subpoenaing the phone image as she battles his claims that he has no money. Which the files on the phone show is clearly not true.
      
      Added to which the lawyers in the two other defamation cases will also subpoena the phone image.
      
      And Jones will almost certainly now face perjury charges.
      
      It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving person.
      
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      August 4, 2022 4:21pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  I don’t know enough about Sandy Hook in particular to make a judgement about it, but the concept of using an incident, twisting an incident, or even staging an incident to achieve particular policy goals is a perfectly rational concept. The only thing precluding it is a belief that government agencies couldn’t or wouldn’t do so, on account of their assumed moral rectitude.
  
  Does this man give you the impression that his child has just been shot?
  
  https://gab.com/SomeBitchIKnow/posts/108758575277303415
  
  Very often, these types of events raise more questions than they answer, and as just one recent instance, the highly dubious Uvalde incident.
  
  Regarding Jones himself, he has been describing and predicting the world we are now living in for about 20 years, and the fact that he is so widely censored serves to increase his credibility, rather than diminishing it.
  
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  August 4, 2022 3:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Uptick Mac, Alex was good but now not so good.
  Watching The View is just as entertaining
  
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  August 4, 2022 5:29pm
I remember when

Litmus test awaits Silver Ferns in cruch match match: RNZ.
When the team was selected and after watching them play their games against the NZ men, that would have been my thoughts too.
Some of the players are still learning on the job and they are about to go up against an England team that boasts around 900 Test caps.
However, after watching them play their pool games England have their own problems.
Harten has a seriously bandaged leg and is
carrying excess weight.
Mentor isn’t getting any younger and Nweke creates problems with her height.
Jade Clarke is still one of their top mid-court players and suggests they haven’t built well.
Housby and Cardwell are both top class shooters but I seriously doubt Cardwell would measure up to the Silver Ferns fitness standards.
They are going to have trouble countering our speed, both foot and hand speed.
To win England will very much depend on their shooters and getting the umpiring decision to go their way.
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August 4, 2022 3:06pm
westernScientist

Does anyone else get a feeling that the same is playing out in Taiwan now as what played out in Russia/Belarus/Ukraine 6 months ago?

Large military exercises very close, ‘experts’ saying ‘don’t worry it wont happen, it will be over in a few days and a general ambivalence in the media. Hope nothing comes of it and it is just sabre rattling, but it just all seems a bit too reminiscent of the Russian invasion.
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August 4, 2022 3:28pm
Hugh Jarse

I have no problem with Shane Te Pou, née Phillips being an opinion writer for the NZ Herald, but would there be value in the Herald acknowledging that he used to be a campaign manager for labour and provide links to other articles about Shane from 2012 in their paper to assist people with assessing the credibility and neutrality of his opinions. No problem with him providing his opinion but acknowledging his history would provide balance to that opinion.
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August 4, 2022 4:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He was a fundraiser for Labour and was donkey deep in finding funds from Rich Chinese chaps…
  
  Mr Phillips later filled out Yan’s citizen application form. He told the court he did not include Yan’s other names because he only knew him as “Bill”.
  
  He also wrote “n/a” in the section that asked about legal investigations.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/millionaire-knew-immigration-statements-were-untrue-court-told/NFCQGPA7RKAHAMI723JGFZ2MPQ/
  
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  August 4, 2022 6:57pm
Warren

While the Minister for Education Chris Hipkins, with Grant Robertson, Micheal Wood , Shane Te Pou, Haden Munro,and many others from the Labour continue to write articles for the Herald on National against National Leader Chris Luxon this corrupt Media source take the stories away that should be high lighted showing the mess that Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister has turned New Zealand into and divided many New Zealander’s, Jacinda Ardern has turned democracy into a dictatorship by her quest to give Maori with 17% of the population 50% of the vote to Govern New Zealand.
With Education , Health, Immigration, Housing , Crime, the Economy and our Police Force in disarray the media have been paid by our Prime Minister not to criticize her decisions but allow her and there Journalists to smear the opposition Parties at will while New Zealander’s do it hard through there inability to control inflation.
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August 4, 2022 5:48pm
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Which country is this?

“introduced a state-sanctioned system of race-based extortion of wealth and opportunity under the guise of black empowerment, ushered in a new era of political cronyism, and gave rise to a new and truly avaricious economic elite, a multi-tentacled screen of parasites through which little national wealth percolates to the masses.”
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