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Maggy Wassilieff

Is co-governance the end game, or just a step toward separate rule?

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/10/02/thomas-cranmer-three-waters-co-governance-and-the-lessons-from-tuhoe/
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October 3, 2022 8:15am
- Its only I
  
  Plenty of room down here in the South Island.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:31am
- rockape
  
  Personally I am for the “ Native reserve “ system .
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:33am
  - rouppe
    
    Perhaps you don’t realise for whom the “reserves” are intended…
    
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    October 3, 2022 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Willie is on his way to have a chat with you//
    
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    October 3, 2022 9:16am
    - rockape
      
      That man owes me 500$ for a bet he welched on re the 2014 election. He did it on radio then post election denied it.
      
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      October 3, 2022 9:32am
      - igm
        
        What would you expect? He, like many of his ilk, have scruples of rodents.
        
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        October 3, 2022 10:06am
- david
  
  A rhetorical question surely! The answer is obvious and must fall out of any serious analysis of the intentions and personalities of the protagonists.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:35am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  The distinction is now being drawn & promoted by some between co-governance & co-government.
  
  That makes co governance appear more legitimate & avoids discussing the ongoing slippery steps to co government.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The unsure need to do some research on GOVERNMENT and GOVERNANCE.
    You may find what all of this means, and where it is heading.
    Also have a look at the pdf I posted at 9.14.
    
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    October 3, 2022 9:21am
- WaynelSexton
  
  I’m really going to miss indoor plumbing
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:02am
  - Colville
    
    oh you will still have the fixtures to remind you…they just wont work!
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:02am
- Raphael
  
  South Africa had the TVBC states (Transkei, Venda, Bophuthatswana, Ciskei) which South Africa tried to treat as being there own separate countries with their own governance (but only the Apartheid government recognised them).
  
  It didn’t work out too well.
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:49am
  - mawm
    
    Yes – ruinously expensive with corrupt governments.
    
    Does nobody in either Labour or Maoridom see the parallels with Apartheid South Africa that were so roundly condemned by New Zealand? Even the forcing a language on a reluctant nation; it was the compulsory instruction at black schools of subjects such as mathematics in Afrikaans that set off the June 16th riots and the final demise of Apartheid.
    
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    October 3, 2022 12:09pm
Simon

Everything from the vaccinated clown show central government is fake.
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October 3, 2022 8:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

Individual autonomy or tribal rules…

The choice for our Maori MPs

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/dame-naida-glavish-gives-squabbling-ngapuhi-mps-davis-and-chhour-a-tikanga-telling-off/4RSMGDGTINAUA3KRHF3TTZXFOE/
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October 3, 2022 8:18am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, it is as plain as day that there is no such thing as one voice in the Maori world. This is one reason why 3 Waters must never be allowed to sprout.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    If I may be so bold as to disagree, Willie Jackson purports to speak for all Maori and I believe he has five-eighths of fuck all Maori Maori blood in him!
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:27am
- Gravelroad
  
  Ok, so when all the tribes, iwi, leaders etc get their hierarchical processes and racial identities sorted out – after a lot of meetings on marae and talking about their status and grandeur – when will they start actually addressing the needs of the vulnerable hurt children and the way they are treated?
  Or is that down to others to solve?
  Talk is cheap.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:31am
  - tedbear
    
    Since when were all the tribes, iwi, leaders etc interested in helping vulnerable hurt children?
    What have they done to address the 30,000-odd families living in motels and other sub-standard accommodation?
    The answer is nothing. All they want is money and power.
    
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    October 3, 2022 8:44am
    - rouppe
      
      The Maori oligarchy.
      Great for the elites and their families, not so great for the average whenua
      
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      October 3, 2022 9:17am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        BMW seem to be doing ok in nz
        
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        October 3, 2022 9:28am
      - Colville
        
        Steve.
        Its blinged up VW utes around here.
        
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        October 3, 2022 11:04am
  - Cassandra
    
    This is not about solving problems. It is all about divvying up the koha and getting well paid government/ratepayer- funded board appointments., preferably for your family but at a pinch others from your sub-tribe.
    
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    October 3, 2022 8:45am
  - alloytoo
    
    The real question is how does one determine who is subject to “Tribal Rules” as apposed to liberal western democratic rules.
    
    Has anyone actually asked the plebs (presumably those that continue to vote on the Maori roll) which dispensation they prefer?
    
    What happens to the tribal elite if no one wants to be their serfs?
    
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    October 3, 2022 8:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What happens to the tribal oligarchs? They just continue to watch the bank balance grow – with no outgoing funds.
      
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      October 3, 2022 9:35am
  - Matt Long
    
    That’s easy, all they need to solve any social issues is a mountain of cash from the white colonialist oppressors for a handful of elites plus a lot of reframing.
    In the meantime lots of hui paid for by the taxpayers.
    
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    October 3, 2022 9:02am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Matt Long-
      But aren’t the Maori already getting considerable taxpayer money to solve their social issues – and have been for years?
      When does the money invested start getting verifiable results?
      
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      October 3, 2022 9:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You don’t get verifiable results if you spend it——
        
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        October 3, 2022 9:37am
      - Matt Long
        
        There are verified results, sectors in society are getting rich and powerful while the social situations get worse.
        
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        October 3, 2022 1:13pm
- graham
  
  That’s pretty bloody nasty of Dame Naida Glavish. She’s basically saying that Karen Chhour is the one who’s in the wrong, agreeing with Kelvin Davis that Ms Chhour “needs to cross the bridge into te ao Māori” (whatever the hell that means), and saying that Ms Chhour needs to follow the correct Maori protocol.
  
  I wonder at what point Maori protocol might just grow up enough that it includes having some respect for their women and not treating them as second-class citizens?
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:47am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    I couldn’t agree more graham. It’s no wonder many Maori women are at the very bottom of the heap. When will we realise that Maori leaders have a vested interest in keeping us down?
    
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    October 3, 2022 9:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Nothing new from Galvish !
    Tribal to the last of our dollars.
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:45am
  - kowtow
    
    Did pre “contact” Maoris have bridges . No.
    
    Bridges are not part of genuine , pure Maori way of things.
    
    ‘Crossing bridges’ is therefor a cultural appropriation by these race hustlers and they should stop doing that as we all know cultural appropriation is an evil colonial construct .
    
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    October 3, 2022 12:02pm
- mandk
  
  It was completely wrong for Naida Galvish to take Karen Chhour to task.
  
  Chhour was not raising a Ngapuhi issue in Parliament. She was raising a child welfare issue.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:58am
- nathie
  
  So according to Glavish it’s the “Maori-centric” viewpoint and way forward only.
  
  However, in contemporary society, the perspective of the “Euro-centric” viewpoint has been “found wanting” and is no longer seen as necessarily “valid”.
  
  So in my mind, in the interests of not being hypocritical one can’t have one particular world view as being valid and the other isn’t.
  
  Which means Glavish’s perspective is wrong, and basically she is siding with Kelvin Davis (and bullying Chhour). Yes it is tribal rule.
  
  Perhaps those that advocate for Tribal rule need to have an awakening, and realise this is not pre-1840 when tribal rule was the norm and it is time they changed their thinking.
  
  It is an outdated concept for modern NZ and has no place.
  
  If outdated “Euro-centric” perspectives are changing, so can Davis’s and Glavish’s outdated “Maori-centric” perspectives.
  
  Instead we need to have the best of both worlds, surely.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:58am
- rouppe
  
  “The claim of Ms Chhour that she is a proud Māori from Ngāpuhi would require her to call the chair of her Ngāpuhi marae to enable her and the minister to sort it out in the Ngāpuhi way there, where she should feel safe,” Glavish said.
  
  So Glavish is saying that a parliamentary matter should be sorted out on the Marae.
  
  Take note, everybody, where democracy is heading…
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:22am
  - Opie
    
    All this Maori way bullshit has become like a religion.
    
    They believe in fairytales and attack and belittle everyone one else that doesn’t believe in the same things. Even when doing things the Maori way results in terrible outcomes for all involved.
    
    I’m not going to convert to a Maori anything just the same way I’m not going to convert to Christianity.
    
    This particular religion currently has the levers of power and are interested only in increasing their wealth.
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s not democracy, that’s feudalism!
    Is this what we can look forward to under co-governance?
    
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    October 3, 2022 1:12pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Typical Herald – portraying bullying by Kelvin Davis as “squabbling”.
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:46am
- fredonas
  
  “Kelvin ain’t in Parliament because he got bored working at NASA. Let’s just leave it at that.” from the ACT email newsletter 😊
  
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  October 3, 2022 1:11pm
Ehlana

Good morning Kiwibloggers and welcome to World Anti-Bullying Day.
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October 3, 2022 8:18am
- alloytoo
  
  Is this like “Antifa” where the fascists are hiding behavior behind the “Anti” label.
  
  In this instance they are bullying us into inhibiting our own speech.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:34am
- iMP
  
  These constant daily updates are bullying. I self-identify as a Kiwiblogger who never sees these.
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought it was Virus Appreciation Day
  
  https://thedaysoftheyear.com/celebrate-virus-appreciation-day/
  
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  October 3, 2022 8:44am
  - Cassandra
    
    How do you appreciate a virus? Although for Covid, I imagine that there are lots of thankyous from our current PM.
    
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    October 3, 2022 8:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jaspinda used it to the full extent. It is mostly gone, so she is looking for another crisis to exploit.
      
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      October 3, 2022 9:47am
      - Paulus
        
        Possible Nuclear World is her next place to exploit.
        School children are aldready on to it from what we are told yesterday by the Mental Health experts.
        
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        October 3, 2022 10:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      How do you appreciate a virus?
      
      Phage therapy
      https://asm.org/Articles/2022/August/Phage-Therapy-Past,-Present-and-Future
      
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      October 3, 2022 10:23am
  - Ehlana
    
    It’s both. Though I’m not sure many people will feel like “appreciating” viruses for some time to come. And I wonder if the other viruses are upset with Covid for taking all the attention.
    
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    October 3, 2022 8:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      All viruses are equal, but some are more equal than others. Best have a ‘hui’
      
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      October 3, 2022 9:56am
      - OTGO
        
        Surely a ‘flui’.
        
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        October 3, 2022 10:56am
- mandk
  
  Undoubtedly, the entire Labour caucus will be wearing sackcloth and ashes today to atone for the bullying culture that pervades the party.
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:00am
cas

This is brilliant.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/an-ode-for-nanaia-mahuta
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October 3, 2022 8:27am
- Zorba
  
  Mr Ormsby’s daughter has done well.
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:34am
alloytoo

Once upon a time, the Woke, as they corrupted our institutions and culture, told us that if we didn’t like it we should make our own.

Some people have accepted the challenge, alternative social media and entertainment options have sprung up.

The Woke responded by weaponizing ESG, trying to cut competitors off from banks and other payment processors.

That hasn’t worked and all we are left with is the tired old labels of “Far Right”, “Fascist” & “Racist”.

Now is probably a good time to lobby National and Act to introduce legislation banning or restricting “ESG” as it undermines and interferes with company directors fiduciary duties towards shareholders (including indirect investors).
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October 3, 2022 8:32am
- Master Mariner
  
  ESG runs strong with the Tech companies, Black Rock and here in NZ Government including the RBNZ.
  NZ is leading the charge on ESG without anyone actually aware.
  Who voted for this ?
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:19am
  - Ehlana
    
    What is ESG?
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:09am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Great question Ehlana,
      It reminds me of the great African word Uhuru, Which means anything and everything.
      
      https://www.diligent.com/insights/esg/
      
      The real issue is who scores these Countries and Corporates and how do they rate. It is all very Opaque.
      FWIW Sri Lanka had a score of 96/100 a year back. Actually one of the highest. Did not work out too well.
      Blackrock, Vanguard and JP Morgan are leading the charge on ESG.
      As Elon Musk said, It is a Big Scam.
      
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      October 3, 2022 11:48am
    - General
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev4DbxWFCA4
      
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      October 3, 2022 2:40pm
- Jack5
  
  By “ESG”, are we talking here of “Environmental, Social and Governance” concepts, in accounting?
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:38am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep,
    What’s your take on it Jack5 ? And how it applies to NZ by stealth. ?
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:49am
  - alloytoo
    
    No such concepts in accounting.
    
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    October 3, 2022 12:07pm
    - Jack5
      
      Professsion “standards” might be a better description.
      
      Explained here:
      
      https://www2.deloitte.com/ce/en/pages/global-business-services/articles/esg-explained-1-what-is-esg.html
      
      Master Mariner: I think it’s nuts.
      
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      October 3, 2022 1:56pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Energy deprivation, Starvation and Gutting the middle classes.
    
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    October 3, 2022 1:14pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yes indeed, But why ?
      
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      October 3, 2022 1:41pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Very much worth listening to regarding the parallels between the climate change religion related “energy transition” currently under way in the west and China’s disastrous “great leap forward”.
      
      From Australia’s ABC (an organisation filled with the far left and more bloated, bludging and batty than RNZ. However this podcast is one of two there that manages to ask heretical questions).
      
      At 15:45 minutes in:
      
      A green leap forward. Are there parallels between China’s rapid shift from an agrarian to industrial society and the West’s transition from fossil fuels to renewables? Helen Raleigh: author and writer.
      
      https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/putin-threats-green-leap-forward-misunderstood-monarch/14064074
      
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      October 3, 2022 8:32pm
- Raphael
  
  I enjoyed Scott Adams’ take on ESG in the Dilbert series the last fortnight or so.
  
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  October 3, 2022 3:30pm
peterwn

So a union boss was a victim of a scam on his Kiwibank account.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/union-boss-mike-treens-online-bank-accounts-allegedly-hacked-by-fraudsters-13k-drained/AFONM6EWADUV3XKKK6PXC42YCU/
However there are not enough facts available to understand what happened. It seems strange a phone repairer would risk his reputation by ‘downloading’ contents of customers’ phones for potential misuse. Even then there would not be enough information in the phone to get most or all account details unless the user stored a password etc elsewhere on the phone. ANZ refunded $8000 (it did not say whether it actually recovered the money or took it on the nose – possibly because the account had been improperly opened). SBS has sat tight and said it could not reclaim the other $5000. SBS must be confident that the account was properly opened by an identifiable individual and so disclaims responsibility.
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October 3, 2022 8:39am
kevn

@Maggy… The virus debacle has opened the door, and allowed NZer’s to see this labour government in it’s true form.
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October 3, 2022 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You mean the Govt is just another nasty virus? Who wooda thunk that?
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:58am
Fisiani2

Anxiety can finally be cured if you treat the underlying components that are always present and ignore the ‘wrapper’ Read it all in micro-detail in How to Cure Anxiety in Just Five Therapy Sessions , written by Dr Patrick McCarthy from Wellington
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October 3, 2022 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The mentally strong don’t get this, they just push it aside and continue with their lives.
  Medical hypnotherapy is quackery
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:02am
Rusty

My question to the PM — be it climate change or 3 waters/Maori co-governance or whatever.

“When has it ever been wrong in a free society to ask questions?”
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October 3, 2022 8:53am
- Blog-aholic
  
  You make the assumption that NZ is still a free society.
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:03am
  - JeffW
    
    Since Labour don’t have the competence to answer questions
    
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    October 3, 2022 2:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Answer : Ever since she said so. Now back in your corner and stay there.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:03am
- Loddenthinks
  
  When she declared asking questions to be “weapons of war”.
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:50am
andrewo

Nigel Farage on the money about conservatives needing some inspired leadership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngGVe8Ynwas
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October 3, 2022 9:07am
Benedict Yu

Woman and her young child have been in emergency accommodation for 18 months.

Finally she gets a nice two bedroom state house. 🙂

Kainga Ora tenancy manager: “Here is your new home :-)”

Tenant: “Could you please replace the heat pump with a wood burner? It would be better for my spiritual wellbeing.”

Kainga Ora tenancy manager: NO. 🙁
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October 3, 2022 9:07am
- Gravelroad
  
  @BY-
  And provide the fire wood?
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:18am
  - kevn
    
    @Gravel… Yep, WINZ accept firewood quotes.
    
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    October 3, 2022 9:40am
- Ehlana
  
  KO Manager: No. But I can help you with training/ employment so you can afford to choose a home with a fireplace in the private sector.
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:11am
andrewo

what our bought & paid for media failed to mention:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/new-zealand-pm-condemned-for-calling-free-speech-weapons-of-war-at-un/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons&fbclid=IwAR3TLmzHH2a6W8T8f_1zRpNR0SQ3XJ1zdZHsmB3FfcUfBPd-ZknqkVMb6es
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October 3, 2022 9:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is all over the overseas media. Here, nothing.
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:27am
- nathie
  
  If you open the picture of the UN assembly on a new tab it expands very well and by rough count some 213 seats are on the floor and about 66 are occupied (less than one-third) and to the left there are around 61 raised blue seats visible but only 6 people seated (10%).
  
  Of course we can’t see the full picture of all the seating but it does seem Ms Ardern was speaking to an audience of 25-33% attendance.
  
  Perhaps that’s normal for lesser world leaders but on the other hand it appears to reflect how much the rest of the world consider her speech to be of importance.
  
  Of course if one relied on NZ MSM one wouldn’t see this.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Word soup waffle – all of it.
  ” share opposing narratives online” Someone might tell her it is called “debating”
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hope this works. Some may have to sign in.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Why-did-the-chiefs-sign-the-Treaty-4.pdf
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October 3, 2022 9:14am
krazykiwi

Keep an eye on Credit Suisse. There are insiders predicting the bank is about to go all Lehman Brothers on us.
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October 3, 2022 9:24am
- RoboRob
  
  Interesting. Do you have any links? I think there are likely many financial organisations in potential trouble, especially in Europe.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:07am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sure. This is a ‘lite’ post. I’m looking out for something more substantial. Re Europe, note the comment about Deutsche Bank.
    
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    October 3, 2022 12:13pm
Benedict Yu

Interesting to see that the Australian Government is reviewing national science and research priorities. The current priorities focus on promoting growth, commercial returns on research, energy resources, transport, advanced manufacturing and so on. You get the picture.

https://www.industry.gov.au/publications/australias-science-and-research-priorities-2015

The terms of reference for establishing the new priorities are very different following the change of government.

– Supporting stronger action on climate change, including investments in renewable energy, reducing emissions, and transitioning to a net zero world.

– Elevating and investing in First Nations perspectives on science, technology and innovation.

– Harnessing the potential of emerging technologies and scientific research in pursuit of not only economic growth, but improving Australian wellbeing

https://www.industry.gov.au/news/australian-government-revitalise-our-science-priorities

Good example of how changing a government can have such dire consequences.

Australia is one of the wealthiest countries in the world. This is because since 1983, the two major political parties have (usually) promoted a focus on economic growth. Australia has not had a recession in 32 years.

It will be interesting to watch Australia over the next three years. Their first challenge is to get through the coming summer without blackouts as their enormous demand for electricity for air conditioning kicks in.
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October 3, 2022 9:24am
- Master Mariner
  
  Its a Labour thing, Nothing more ,nothing less.
  
  They understand which side there bread is buttered.
  Remember “Dud” Rudd and his “I’m Sorry” speech when first elected ?
  Nothing to see here.
  
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  October 3, 2022 1:45pm
Inandout

And for those who think climate porn is a made up term:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyrRCx8-fZk&t=51s
Even the acting is terrible.
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October 3, 2022 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just more fake news. CNN do it. Saw one flooding report showing a reporter in chest deep water. He was sitting down. The cameras changed and his legs were visible under the water – horizontal, sitting down!
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:16am
BeaB

No wonder Arden bans Mike Hosking and loves Susie Ferguson. Another lame ‘interview’ this morning where she allowed the PM to burble on. Didn’t even question why we are still exporting food to Russia!
Then she let Arden finish with a shot at National, a nasty piece of misinformation that once again she was not challenged on, or even questioned, much less corrected.
I just hope the new announcer understands that speaking truth to power means holding the government to account instead 0f the opposition.
A disgraceful display of bias. Pity there’s no longer a womens hour where they could dispatch these chummy chats.
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October 3, 2022 9:27am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Thanks for that. I, literally, cannot bear listening to that stuff any longer. Honestly, John Key should have taken a sword to RNZ when he still had political capital. My idea of a subscription model probably has no chance under a National Government (unless ACT gets 20 percent). But surely a new Government can take them on. Appoint a new Board and direct them to be an impartial national news service with separate Maori and English language programmes. Seriously, how would that be in any way controversial?
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:37am
  - RoboRob
    
    Any new right wing government should be very quiet about any changes. When they get in they should take the axe to TVNZ and RNZ for two reasons. In the same way labour dealt to oil mining in NZ.
    
    1) There is no need for state owned media. Special interests can be provided for from NZ on Air funding if required. The broadcast media really doesn’t matter.
    
    2) Over the last few years the media has shown the dangers of government ownership and control. The propaganda from the non government owned media is bad but state owned media is ridiculous.
    
    #1 is the most important reason to remove state media but from a political position #2 is likely most important to national.
    The irony is that the govt could redirect funding from RNZ to NZ on air and we probably would have more ‘specialist’ content.
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:14am
    - Jack5
      
      BeaB’s 9.27 post: …we are still exporting food to Russia …
      
      Fonterra pulled out of Russia, losing NZ $200 million of exports a year, while at least two big international competitors, Nestle and the French dairy firm, Danone, continue to sell products in Russia.
      
      NZ is in a very weak balance-of-payments position at the moment.
      
      We’re not at war with Russia, so why not trade with it? Do you think Nato members will stop trading with China if NZ gets into a stand-off with Beijing?
      
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      October 3, 2022 10:43am
      - Master Mariner
        
        We’re not at war with Russia, so why not trade with it?
        Could not agree more and have more to gain to remain Neutral.
        On another note, Do people not realise we are importing Russian Petroleum products that have been “blended” in Asian refineries ?
        Megan Woods is in apparent denial ?
        
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        October 3, 2022 11:54am
      - Ghost
        
        Since we were supplying Ukraine with help then we’re in a proxy war, we should of complelty remained neutral.
        
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        October 3, 2022 11:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We need a NZ version of “The View”//
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:19am
  - RoboRob
    
    We already have it, One News / Breakfast.
    
    I would point to a RNZ show (I am sure there are plenty that would match) but I don’t listen to it. So glad my taxes are being used for RNZ 🙂
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:20am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Easy solution – switch off from Suzie – her ratings will go down the gurgler and she’ll be out the door.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:59am
  - RoboRob
    
    Isn’t the who point of RNZ to provide content that DOESN’T appeal to the majority. Dropping ratings might actually help protect her job 🙂
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:21am
Benedict Yu

What a stark contrast between the UK and Australian Prime Ministers. Anthony Albanese urges King Charles to keep up the fight on climate change. Meanwhile, Liz Truss tells Charles “No you are not going to the climate change summit in Egypt.” 🙂

“King Charles will not attend climate summit on Truss advice”

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63105522

“Prime Minister Anthony Albanese backs King Charles III to speak out on climate concerns in break from royal protocol”

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/prime-minister-anthony-albanese-backs-king-charles-iii-to-speak-out-on-climate-concerns-in-break-from-royal-protocol/news-story/2e7d475af63701b9d7c8641ab287c6e1
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October 3, 2022 9:34am
- krazykiwi
  
  King Charles III (aka ‘Charlie’) was wisely advised by Truss. I can think of few things that would fan republican flames faster than a petulant, entitled monarch lecturing the peasants about the supposed danger of energy-powered freedom and liberty.
  
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  October 3, 2022 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That’s a bit rough. Bit like Pelosi and 93 others going to a junket in Brussels. Trump said “fine, but you’re not taking Air Force One!
    Two busloads driving around Washington DC because they could not get on the Air Force Base. LOL
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:24am
  - MCōs
    
    “wisely advised by Truss”
    She hasn’t been too wise lately.
    
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    October 3, 2022 2:01pm
- All_on_Red
  
  In his first major Speech, Charles alluded to thing ‘being taken over by others’.
  I doubt he intended to go- once he became King. I think he understands that in his new Role he has to be neutral.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Charlieboy need to understand that he is King, not a greenpeace flake
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:28am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Maybe. The Australian PM urging Charles to ‘keep up the fight’ on climate change is worrying. Anyway Truss will ensure that never happens.
    
    Australia is going to be entertaining. I can just see the shit storm if there are rolling blackouts in Sydney and Melbourne and it is 40 degrees outside.
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:49am
    - kowtow
      
      Albanese is a prick.
      
      An avowed republican who wants the Crown gone but somehow now sees the Crown’s role as aiding his particular politics .
      
      Meanwhile crazy Q’land premier wants to shut coal power earlier than planned . No back ups or alternatives available .
      
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      October 3, 2022 11:50am
      - Nickc2
        
        I agree WRT Albanese, he’s one step to the left of Daniel Andrews (Premier of Victoria) and that’s being kind. As for Annastacia Palaszczuk (Premier of Queensland), she’s a classic example of what an uninformed and dumbed-down population can do at voting time.
        Did that disease drift across the Tasman, or was it deliberately imported by the NZ Labour Party?
        
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        October 3, 2022 1:26pm
    - kowtow
      
      nickc2
      
      These Red Guards all share the same inspiration , amazing how similar the world over “labour” policies are .
      
      Frighteningly the so called centre right is /has adopted much of it .
      
      Climate , welfareism, race, gender , spending , taxes , soft on crime, gun control ( but only for license holders) soft on drugs ( but hard on alcohol and tobacco)
      
      I’m convinced this is why they had to get rid of Trump , another term and he’d have taken so much of this crap to task and inspired other conservatives .
      
      See now the attacks on Truss , same thing . Especially from the ‘wets’ in her own party.
      
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      October 3, 2022 2:30pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Totally agree!
        
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        October 3, 2022 7:17pm
Master Mariner

https://gcaptain.com/whos-to-blame-for-the-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak/

So as mentioned before, We “officially” do not know who caused this and the longer it takes to indentify who caused it the more I’m leading towards NATO alliance countries.

With the Sub Sea vessels on location it is immediately obvious whether the explosion/implosion was caused internally or externally in the pipeline.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:13.1/centery:54.9/zoom:7
NOTE: Use ship filters Tugs and special ships to see what vessels are over the Gas leaks / Pipeline.
Dont think for a minute, The cause of the explosion is unknown with all these vessels capabilities onboard.
I originally thought it might have been the Russians but due too the time to appoint blame I am now leaning towards NATO allied.

Is it a “scorched Earth” approach with Winter looming ?

So what does this mean? Well all pipelines are now to be patroled by warships.
https://gcaptain.com/europe-bolsters-maritime-security-pipeline-explosion/
These are treated as Strategic Assets.
So what does NZ do ?
While I’am on this subject, The worst kept secret regarding Refining in the Gulf of Mexico and the Biden energy policy,
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Floridas-Logistical-Disruptions-Could-Last-For-Weeks-Following-Hurricane-Ian.html

Next question, How much Fuel reserves are in NZ. ?
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October 3, 2022 9:53am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I read somewhere that they’ll answer that question sometime next year.
  I have no idea why there isn’t a wee website with a wee graph on it showing us our fuel reserves in real time.
  Because they don’t want to tell us, you can be fairly certain it’s SFA.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:10am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Chris, In response to the question ” We will answer it next year”.
    Well, The gambler in me would suggest we “May” have this answered before then.
    
    Ie, Announcements on Fuel restrictions.
    
    I personally believe this is a very likely scenario !
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:20am
  - rockape
    
    Maybe we in NZ have reached ‘peak oil’ just 22 years later than promised.
    
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    October 3, 2022 4:47pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Kit Knightly has an interesting take on the pipeline issue.
  
  “Forget the blame game, Nordstream Sabotage is about the Great Reset & nothing else.”
  
  Everyone is abuzz with talk of who did what, and asking “Was it sabotage?”
  
  But the simple answer to that is “yes, of course it was.”
  
  No matter the exact specific details of the situation, the Nordstream explosion was definitely an act of sabotage.
  
  The same sabotage we’ve been seeing for two years.
  
  The sabotage of our entire way of life, by people who would profit both monetarily and politically from a sea-change in the way our society is structured.
  
  The sabotage that leads to faking a pandemic, gutting our healthcare, locking us in our homes and ruining our businesses.
  
  The sabotage of our economy, our society and our very bodies.
  
  The sabotage of us, by them.
  
  https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/28/forget-the-blame-game-nordstream-sabotage-is-about-the-great-reset-nothing-else/
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:13am
- crackle
  
  Read an interesting peice on the weekend, written by someone who works with gas pipelines.
  In short Methane Hydrate build up it one of the big issues to deal with when piping gas basically a maintenance issue one that keeping the flow going alleviates.
  The supposition was that given the pipe has been pressurized but without flow for a long period there was a good chance Methane Hydrate plugs and formed in the line. In short dealing with these normally means a very slow and controlled decompression from both ends.
  If you were to decompress from one end only the differential either sends the plug flying along the line until it hits a bend or a rapid decompression of the hydrates… either way a really big bang.
  Basically the conditions were likely right to blow the pipes without needing to plant any explosives.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That theory has been shredded a number of times.
    This was sabotage, end of story. And it is almost without doubt that US and/or NATO actors are behind it.
    Motive and opportunity. This was not an accident. You are deluded if you think this is an option.
    
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    October 3, 2022 10:29am
    - crackle
      
      Would be nothing accidental about decompression from one end only….
      
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      October 3, 2022 10:44am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh bullshit. No it hasn’t.
      
      https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
      https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html
      
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      October 3, 2022 10:45am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Thanks for that AOR, But too be perfectly honest 2 independant Pipelines exploding, One in Danish waters and the other in Swedish is too much of a coincidence.
        I do agree however that due to little or no flow creates its own issues as well as “suggested” in the articles.
        But the “Law of Averages” dictates this was anything but an incident and directly points to sabotage.
        The thing is if this was the Russians then “proof would be all over the news”. ( Look at the specialised vessels on location that “will be fitted” with Underwater vehicles ( ROV’s).
        The Americans do not have any capability to carry this out but NATO countries do.
        It is not being told how the “explosions” occured which raises alarm bells in my mind.
        
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        October 3, 2022 11:09am
      - All_on_Red
        
        The time differences between the explosions doesn’t make sense if a state actor did it.
        They would blown them up all at once.
        I think Occam’s Razor applies here. We know the Russians are shit at maintenance so its just a logical conclusion.
        No State Actor wins anything doing this…
        I think some people are far too deep into conspiracy stuff now that their judgement is skewed.
        
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        October 3, 2022 11:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe did promise that he could do it
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:38am
  - Master Mariner
    
    They do not have any capability to do this, Only NATO have any capability in this area.
    
    Like I say, A fish can not fart without Swedish/Danish Navy knowing.
    
    Biden is all “Baffle and Bullshit”
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:12am
    - All_on_Red
      
      As you say.
      The area is intensely monitored and avoiding detection would be hard if not impossible.
      I still think the Russians stuffing up is the logical answer.
      Maybe if their Chief Engineer ‘falls out a window’ we will know- lol
      
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      October 3, 2022 11:58am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      70m depth. A fish finder and a bomb on a timer at the end of a rope would have done the job. 2 men in a small recreational boat would be all that is required, and there are 1000’s of recreational boats that move about in the Baltic. There are 10’s of thousands of individuals and organisations with the skills to do it and a lot of them are pissed off expat Ukrainians.
      
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      October 3, 2022 1:49pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Pretty trivial for a nation-state to plant explosives on a gas pipeline that’s in only 70m of water. For example, the NZDF could do it without any difficulty at all.
      
      So there’s any number of options for who. But the two countries with the most to gain from it are Ukraine and Russia.
      
      Personally, if I was the Ukrainians I’d have small special forces groups roaming around the globe messing with Russian assets. Like blowing up gaslines. Or cutting the internet links into Russia. Or blowing up oil terminal infrastructure. Or sinking super-yachts hiding in the Maldives. Or trying to destroy Putin’s “palace” at Sochi. Etc etc.
      
      One company (about 120 men) of unconventional actors could cause a lot of distress to the Russian elites and the Russian economy.
      
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      October 3, 2022 3:19pm
      - Sponge
        
        “For example, the NZDF could do it without any difficulty at all.”
        
        Jesus – Don’t tell Nicky Hager!
        
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        October 3, 2022 7:08pm
  - General
    
    He said they WOULD. So did Victoria Nuland yet it’s some sort of mystery to so many. We are in deep trouble until a significant increase of people find the strength to pull their deeply entrenched heads from their collective asses
    
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    October 3, 2022 2:57pm
- G152
  
  And warships are equiped with explosives and the technology to find targets
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:23am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Nope, Possibly a UAV Drone ( Underwater Drone), Like I say, They know how the Gas escaped but not telling us ? Then remains why ?
    Remember these pipelines are burried under the sea floor.
    This is my area of expertise ( Until the MIQ fiasco)so have a reasonable understanding of this.
    
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    October 3, 2022 1:20pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Have you worked in the Oil Industry on Pipelines?
      That guy I linked to has.
      From Wiki
      ‘Upon removal, when hydrate plugs are depressurized improperly, with large pressure gradients across the plug, hydrate projectiles frequently erupt from pipes.
      When hydrates are heated, large confined pressure increases cause pipe ruptures.[1]’
      https://petrowiki.spe.org/Hydrate_plug_removal
      
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      October 3, 2022 1:24pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yes, ROV’s ( Remote operated vehicles) and pipelines routine inspections is my line of work “Sigh”. Amongst others.
        
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        October 3, 2022 1:35pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Unless the pipeline monitoring detected compression events prior to the explosions I would expect they won’t be able to identify causes and culprits until divers bring up evidence.
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:24am
- Nickc2
  
  If this was sabotage by anybody, underwater explosives could have been strategically placed/positioned at any time during the pipeline’s lifetime in preparation for detonation by a sonar (sound wave) signal or algorithm(s) setting integrated with the explosive device(s).
  If explosive charge(s) were used, the noise created would be easily detected by any number of existing Hydrophones positioned in/on and around the area’s seabed.
  
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  October 3, 2022 1:38pm
ClanMcleod

For some humour, this is a link to a ten minute video of Jimmy Dore skewering Ardern as she deserves. She is rightly being called out as the dangerous fascist she is by commentators right around the planet. In NZ media, crickets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5L1FWNf9rE&t=326s
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October 3, 2022 9:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  He is spot on. Her statement ‘How can we deal with climate change if people are posting online that it does not exist?’
  
  “Through the power of persuasion”
  
  My sense is that even ‘like minded’ leaders like Justin Trudeau are going to rapidly distance themselves from her on this internet censorship crusade. It will dissolve into nothing.
  
  Having said that … if she gets a third term I could envisage her legislating for censorship in New Zealand. For example it would be unlawful for anyone to post on blogs or social media that ‘climate change is a scam’ , or ‘the COVID vaccines are useless’.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Turdeau proved himself to be very much the authoritarian with use of the state against the truckers protest .
    
    Watch him go down to the new leader of the conservatives there Pierre Poliviere , or some such fur trapper name .
    
    Change is coming. But can’t come soon enough.
    
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    October 3, 2022 11:45am
ClanMcleod

Glenn Greenwald’s comments re Ardern’s UN speech are absolutely on the money.

This is the face of authoritarianism – even though it looks different than you were taught to expect. And it’s the mindset of tyrants everywhere:

This is someone so inebriated by her sense of righteousness and superiority that she views dissent as an evil too dangerous to allow:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1575188754071171072
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October 3, 2022 10:00am
I remember when

The bridge that is Te Tiriti o Waitangi:
On the one side there is a signed Treaty.
One the other – whatever you want it to be.
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October 3, 2022 10:10am
Ehlana

From today’s Politik newsletter:
“Under the proposal contained in the Bill, the new Aotearoa Public Media (APM) entity would be required to “have regard to government policy.”
and Broadcasting Minister Willie Jackson says, “There’s always a risk, particularly if the future Government is that Opposition party across the other side.”

So a member of the government which has given the media money on condition that it advocate a Labour Party position on the Treaty of Waitangi claims to be concerned that a future National government might try to tell the media what to say.

“The self-righteous scream judgments against others to hide the noise of skeletons dancing in their own closets.”
― John Mark Green
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October 3, 2022 10:13am
- RoboRob
  
  I am stunned by the ‘balls’ on these guys. They seem to be unconcerned with straight out lying, so accusing others of what they are doing is pretty tame.
  
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  October 3, 2022 10:18am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Give an inch take a mile, Springs to mind.
    
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    October 3, 2022 1:23pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  at this rate i may aswell hone my skills at making my own vodka like the ruskies do!
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:03am
- kowtow
  
  Our central bank has to have an eye on climate change policy.
  
  Anything is possible now we’ve all gone down the rabbit hole .
  
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  October 3, 2022 11:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes. Here’s the WEF: What is Extreme Weather Froze your Bank Account?.
    
    No matter the skillfully crafted concern for humanity, this branch of the rapacious elite care for nothing more than their ascension to global rule.
    
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    October 3, 2022 12:26pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      WEF translates into the “Nutters Club”.
      
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      October 3, 2022 1:24pm
Alan Wilkinson

Ukraine has retaken Lyman. Russians in retreat near Kherson.
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October 3, 2022 11:33am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Most dangerous juncture of the whole war, Russia have nearly exhausted their conventional war capabilities – with only untrained conscripts and unreliable cold-war era military equipment to reinforce their losses. Ukraine is fielding skilled soldiers with high tech gear that gives them a major tactical advantage, and growing confidence in fighting this new style of drone supported warfare.
  
  And boggy freezing winter is coming – to ill-equipped Russian soldiers at the end of poor logistical support lines.
  
  So will Putin gets desperate and reach for the big red button? Or has he, his position, family and legacy been threatened sufficiently to prevent him doing so? He would certainly not have any qualms about murdering millions.
  
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  October 3, 2022 1:42pm
  - Taieri
    
    Russia have nearly exhausted their conventional war capabilities – with only untrained conscripts and unreliable cold-war era military equipment to reinforce their losses. Ukraine is fielding skilled soldiers
    —————-
    
    And Ukraine has an inexhaustible supply of these skilled soldiers of course and does not carry any losses at all?
    
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    October 3, 2022 3:40pm
  - Ghost
    
    I was watching video last night of huge trains from Russia carrying missiles towards Ukraine, don’t think they are even close to being depleted p, although I have read several reports that the USA is running low on their stocks, wonder if china is watching that too
    
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    October 3, 2022 4:33pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/concerns-over-new-refugee-resettlement-providers-post-red-cross/IMJNNBYMV5S2CAA455VGSOIL5M/

This story illustrates all that is wrong with government.

Refugee housing contract was taken off red cross and handed to Maori, Kāhui Tū Kaha. Woke decision made on race rather than capability.

Now, predictably this maori organisation is failing miserably , and not providing suitable housing or support. They are taking the money, not doing the work (sound familiar?)…
“Foon wrote to Immigration NZ and Immigration Minister Michael Wood, saying that he was “hearing a lot of anxiety” about the new providers in the two cities.

He said the new contractors were “invisible” compared to their predecessors.”

Rather than admit this royal screw-up, the manager of immigration says…
“problems were “isolated”
“Andrew Lockhart defended the awarding of contracts to new providers. He said they all had a “strong track record” in providing social services and working with vulnerable communities.”

In other words , everything viewed from the management leather office chair is just fine…. but, reality is a complete disarray and mismanagement.
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October 3, 2022 11:39am
- Nickc2
  
  Is Kāhui Tū Kaha another Mahuta Corp enterprise?
  
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  October 3, 2022 2:00pm
- greybeard
  
  “They are taking the money, not doing the work (sound familiar?)…”
  Sums up all of the current pseudo-Government organisations: the pay-off for supporting Labour’s socialist dreams.
  
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  October 3, 2022 6:41pm
Captain Mainwaring

No Maggie Pie today?
This place seems a bit sterile without her.
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October 3, 2022 12:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She’s here. She must have heard me.
  
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  October 3, 2022 2:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Just don’t say say Maggie Pie three times, terrible things will happen. It’s the curse of the Maggie Pie
  
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  October 3, 2022 2:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

An email from a Maori Elder. stopcogovernance.kiwi.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Tane-Tupuna-email-to-shortland-street_Redacted.pdf
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October 3, 2022 1:04pm
- Sponge
  
  I despise the idea of co-governance but that looks a bit astroturfy to me.
  
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  October 3, 2022 7:30pm
  - Ghost
    
    Some sites worth reading about the owner of that site
    
    https://julianbatchelorokebay.blogspot.com/
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/stoush-over-millionaire-evangelists-3m-wall/IMXS3HQQJEBLAGHM7YYQVWLCCU/
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/long-running-northland-retaining-wall-saga-resolved/77FP4ILFMUVE472G6MEWWIATAQ/
    
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    October 3, 2022 7:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So he moves houses and develops properties? He is religious. So fucking what Ghost?
      I am not a man of faith, but I respect those who are.
      What are you actually trying to do here? Do you think those emails and attachments I received are lies? If so, say it. Front up or fuck off.
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:51am
Maggie Pie

AT plays SICK-JOKE on Public Transport users 😀

EMBARGOED UNTIL NOON TODAY…..

Some Auckland rail-corridors will be closed for almost 2 years!

Love how Auckland Transport say they will put on more Buses. Yet no mention of where they’ll find the Drivers. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/AklTransport/status/1576710056980070400

OMG the comments….
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October 3, 2022 1:51pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Lucky public transport doesn’t actually need travellers.
  
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  October 3, 2022 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

Had morning-tea with the gurls from tennis this morning.
We were discussing the upcoming mayoral election. Like me, none of the others are going to vote either. Imagine what the city will become if Fa’anana wins. What a bloody shambles 🙁

Interestingly, turns out that on average we all pay about $1600 a month in rates. Multiply that by the 600k residential ratepayers in Auckland, and you get something like 12 billion every year going into the Council’s coffers!!

Yet these Labour run councils expect people to put up with sh*t like this…

https://twitter.com/RyanTheLionNZ/status/1575701313219723265
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October 3, 2022 3:25pm
- Ghost
  
  I can’t see what’s wrong with it, isn’t Auckland that weird place where they close roads so people can walk on the roads, you don’t need footpaths anymore
  
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  October 3, 2022 3:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not far from blocking off the bridge except for bus only.
    Auckland is becoming weird Ghost, and I am not happy with the socialist bastards
    
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    October 3, 2022 6:11pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Must be a ‘see how bad we do do it’ competition in Auckland.
  
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  October 3, 2022 4:21pm
Ghost

This woman can’t help but lie. With 34,687 people waiting weeks for a visa jacinda claims

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says visas are being processed quicker than they’re being received despite there being a massive backlog of tourists waiting to get into the country.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/jacinda-ardern-says-visas-being-processed-quicker-than-received-despite-backlog-of-people-waiting-to-enter-new-zealand.html
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October 3, 2022 3:42pm
- Ra Henare
  
  If you look at the Visitor Visa process (for non Visa on arrival types/Visa Waiver countries)
  Its a bureaucratic mess!
  
  The online version is diabolical.
  
  If they reviewed and refined the process then I suspect that instead of 51 days, it could be done in 7-10 days.
  
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  October 3, 2022 6:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This link is the only way I know of to get this on Kiwiblog. This is Dan Bongino with a (good) former FBI Agent on a bit more of the direction the FBI should have taken when raiding Mar-a-Lago. TDS sufferers – go make a craft beer shandy.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=3232676733653195
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October 3, 2022 4:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Becoming quite clear that this was a fishing expedition by the FBI – and note – it was the Washington DC FBI, not Florida FBI. These agents are the same ones involved with the failed Russian collusion shit
  
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  October 3, 2022 4:06pm
Maggie Pie

And Efeso needs to tell us again what he’s going to do about the 40,000 ‘ghost-houses’ in Auckland? They don’t exist! 😀

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/130021471/government-scraps-national-scheme-at-filling-ghost-homes

The only reason there’s soo many empty homes on Census Night, is because most people are like us and get out of Auckland for the day.
Like Banksie says in his book, if he ever see’s a Census-Collector trying to get into his place to gather information, he’d set Muldoon (his Alsatian) onto them. LOL!!!
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October 3, 2022 4:19pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  hahaha – haven’t done a census in soooo long now. Wish i had a Muldoon too! 🙂
  
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  October 3, 2022 5:27pm
Ra Henare

I found out today why Visa processing is taking 511 days.

Two wealthy Asian Friends(Not Chinese-both fluent in English) of mine want to come to NZ for a 2 week vacation.
Without thinking I said,. easy, you can apply online.
They called back and said would I be able to help.
I said sure without thinking.

Ferk, what a mission. I suspect the web/system designers dont want other than Visa Waver countries to apply. ie Visa on arrival.

Its definitely not applicant friendly.
As well as having a level of complexity for the processors.

Recommending my friends fill out the paper form (much easier) and send it to NZ Embassy in Bangkok.

Of course they will still have to wait for 51 days.

example. of dumbarse things.
Intro says. dont book your tickets until you get Visa approved.

Further down it says show proof that you will leave NZ. Eg proof of funds OR RETURN TICKET!
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October 3, 2022 4:58pm
Ghost

Dr. Aseem Malhotra who promoted COVID-19 vaccine on TV calls for its immediate suspension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtE0I5FqHPs&t=1s
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October 3, 2022 5:02pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300703477/woman-claims-she-was-gang-raped-but-the-two-men-say-it-was-consensual
This happened in October 2017, 5 years ago.
Why is it being published now?
Five YEARS later ?
Isn’t Justice supposed to be SEEN to be done ?”
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October 3, 2022 5:22pm
- Ghost
  
  Because it is currently before the courts
  
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  October 3, 2022 5:29pm
kowtow

Fizzleplug’s caption contest re Ardern dress up was read out on HDPA this afternoon.

Fame at last!
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