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Yvette

It’s OK: I had my integrity tested – I am negative

All of appointing Tukoroirangi Morgan to lead the northern Three Waters iwi body – appointing the current chairperson of Waikato-Tainui to a regional role outside of his own region – is happening before Willie Jackson waters-down the response of 72 hui, sufficiently to be acceptable when he reports it back to Cabinet – or did he do that already and I missed it.

So if Cabinet hasn’t discussed the hui response to He Puapua, but are still currently progressing “3 Waters” legislation through Parliament, is Cabinet disregarding targeted Maori at those 72 hui and just following an agenda of Ardern, Mahuta and Jackson anyway?

Meaning the roughly 83 percent of non-Maori New Zealanders, yet to be consulted as Jacinda promised, and it seems Maori ēlite, due to a dysfunctional Willie, are all being ignored, sabotaged or betrayed even – as legislation is banged through without a mandate –just a Jacinda agenda?
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mandate noun 2 the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election: she called an election to seek a mandate for her policies
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Labour MP Willie Jackson glad Winston Peters never saw He Puapua report
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125521049/labour-mp-willie-jackson-glad-winston-peters-never-saw-he-puapua-report
They didn’t tell Winston – and they didn’t tell the rest of New Zealand either

Both Collins and Seymour – and now Peters – are questioning how much of the conversation has already taken place at the Labour Cabinet table and is in effect being rolled out ahead of any public consultation.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/peters-takes-on-pm-over-labours-maori-agenda
“… Being rolled out ahead of any public consultation” – that was Jun 23, 2021
It seems certainly happening “ahead of any public consultation” now – November 6, 2022
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November 8, 2022 8:01am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Are you spreading disinformation Yvette? The 2020 Election was all about COVID. Ms Ardern said so.
  
  And you’d better not forget, she governs for ALL New Zealanders…
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:16am
  - Yvette
    
    No, Suze – I hope I am dis-ing misinformation
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:55am
    - Its only I
      
      Plot twist.
      Labour ramps up 3 waters to “test” the electorate.
      As usual Scoop, stuff, herald run padded out opinion pieces leftsplaining (nine years of neglect) 3 waters (John key wasted money on a flag referendum)
      
      Labour are hovering around low thirties with a projected next result well under 30, students can now go to university for free, and every kiwi is on some form of benefit and min wage is up $10 an hour…… as the last ditch effort to lift the polls Labour drop 3 waters with scoop, stuff, herald running opinion pieces leftsplaining how its a good job we have a Labour (national lifted gst) Gov because they just saved kiwis from 3 waters (National are old, stale, pale, racist and all male) and what tribe has (national will burn the planet) offered to bury Js latest babies placenta…
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:59am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yvette, to use the phraseology of Robbertson, you are suggesting a Willie Jackson/Mahuta conspiracy.
      
      Now that would never happen, because conspiracies are only in the minds of Peter Williams and the Taxpayers’ Union, so we are told by well placed cabinet ministers.
      
      Leaves you wondering who is really running the shop?
      
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      November 8, 2022 10:41am
      - Yvette
        
        Hullkiwi, I’m not sure who is really running the shop, but I suspect it may be Mahuta (either sister, or both of them) and Tuku Morgan, but regarding your theory on conspiracy theorists, I’d reckon it indicates Peter Williams and the Taxpayers Union would most likely be the ones telling the truth.
        
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        November 8, 2022 2:36pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Twenty years ago the Nats under Bill English sunk to their all time low in the General Elections at 22%. IMHO if Cindy deserts the sinking ship before Election 23 Labour will challenge that. If she stays I reckon Labour will get no more than 25%/27%. Alas there are still that many of my fellow citizens who lack the IQ and political knowledge to vote otherwise.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:17am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      lastman – Never underestimate the IQ of the sheeple. One announcement from Cindy that she is getting married for the benefit of the nation, polls will turn around immediately.
      
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      November 8, 2022 10:13am
      - Lee C
        
        I disagree.
        
        A wedding announcemnt would go down like a cup of cold sick at this time.
        
        She’s shot her wad, mate.
        
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        November 8, 2022 11:09am
      - David Garrett
        
        SCS: Isn’t it dreadfully sad that you are right?
        
        You will recall my “straw polls” in supermarket queues during the lockdowns; I was horrified by how often I heard “Ah no, we just need to do what Jacinda says” Some of those people I actually knew; people with above average intelligence – or so I thought.
        
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        November 8, 2022 11:10am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I thought she has already said they will get married at Matriki next year, far too close to an election, I suspect there will be no wedding, and the well known NZ entertainer appears in court next May, it may well still be him, probably not, but he is not seen much lately, I note his shabby tv programs never returned
        
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        November 8, 2022 11:57am
    - kowtow
      
      Relentless attacks on you , your background , your religion , your motivations from the far left so called mainstream media will do that .
      
      Relentless promotion of Brand Ardern gave her a big boost and of course the media fear porn of batflu gave her an absolute majoridy .
      
      Labour’s over promising and non delivery , along with worldwide central bank/govt money printing has given us inflation , lockdowns have given us disruption of supply lines and labour , and her party’s relentless race agenda has resulted in the swing , low information thicko voter finally beginning to wake up , against the media tide.
      
      There’s another 10 % to go , though judging by the numerous mask wearers still about ,I suspect she has a new constituency who will be to her, forever grateful for the miracle she performed in keeping them alive , while all else around them withered and died. They know this as an article of their catechism as the media showed how very awful the Batflu really was . Amen .
      
      All Praise Glorious Leader.
      
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      November 8, 2022 11:18am
- Tricati
  
  Ardern, Robertson and Jackson don’t want any wider public debate on this as the electorate will go ballistic, and they know it.
  The subversive way they are pushing this through speaks more of a complicate media, as we know the government are just deceitful.
  I’m disappointed that both National and ACT aren’t making more noise as to the legislative agenda behind this farce and how it is advancing without full public debate. They need to nail Ardern down on her promise to ‘consult’ with all New Zealanders – Its her Achilles heel
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:28am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The reason that the Nats and ACT aren’t more vocal on this is that they don’t have to be. Labour are hanging themselves on this issue, but should the Nats and ACT come out vehemently against this, Labour will simply brand them as Racist.
    
    Even though we all know that this is simply the pot, calling the kettle, diverse….
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:13am
  - kowtow
    
    If you go to any of Seymour’s many town visits you’ll find he’s very strong on the democracy issue .
    
    keep an eye on the Act website for news on these visits and policy.
    
    Party vote Act for a strong, democratic voice in the next governing coalition.
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:08am
- pdm
  
  Yvette – I don’t think Mahuta is driving 3Waters – her role is to maximise her extended families benefits from it through Nepotism.
  
  The real driver, or more aptly the `Organ Grinder’, from where I sit is clearly Willie Jackson who is hell bent on dividing new Zealand on racial grounds and is taking advantage of weak leadership to do so.
  
  Something which the rest of the Cabinet and Caucus are happy to let him do even if it will see most of them on the dole queues this time next year.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:32am
  - Clyde
    
    Whether it is little Willie or Mahutacorp is immaterial – it is the enlarged, engorged East Polynesian caucus as a whole who is in control. Simple really, the Red Witch and Grunter don’t have the numbers without the race-based caucus.
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:49am
  - Simon
    
    The organ grinder isnt Jackson he is acting on instructions. There are people behind / controlling Jackson. Follow the money.
    
    Labour is an empty husk of a political party, utter failure, zero leadership but they have power. Prefect opportunity for greedy outside hustlers to capture. Which they have done.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The organ grinder isnt Jackson he is acting on instructions.
      
      I agree… Look at how Tuku Morgan has been widening his sphere of influence… from originally being centred in Labour and the Kingiitanga.. he’s moved out into the whole Waikato-Tainui sphere… into taking charge of the Maori Party and now his reach has gone into Northland with 3 Waters.
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:57am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Simon, you are correct it is a case of follow the money.
      
      Yes, Willie is the ministerial organ grinder, and Tuku (have we got another expense claim coming for his under garments?) is the Maori front with a wide sphere of influence, but the real power and money is behind the scenes.
      
      First up we know 3Waters is based on the Scottish Model, so first up there will have been 1 or more big ticket Consultancies scooping up over $20m in fees in the phase to get the deal through Parliament. Then there is the flow on work from the new companies, ten years of work with a current value of $38bn, free ratepayer money forever! Just workout who will administer all of this and how money will be spent (and where).
      
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      November 8, 2022 11:43am
  - Unity
    
    Where did I read that Willie Jackson either doesn’t have any Maori ancestry at all or only a tiny dot? Is this correct. If so, he’s an imposter and will be responsible for the destruction of our once lovely little country. Just where is he coming from?
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:47am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He has ma0ri ancestry on both his maternal and paternal sides.
      
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      November 8, 2022 12:46pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      He has 22 %
      
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      November 8, 2022 12:47pm
    - Paulus
      
      According to Winston Peters recently you only need 1/512 to get on to the Maori Register.
      
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      November 8, 2022 1:33pm
Warren

Government childcare package will see fees go up – expert.
So please tell us you whinge’s out there how the Governments New ” cost of living package ” is going to help cool inflation and can we guarantee that the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson will not siphon the money need to pay for this policy out of the Covid-19 fund.
This payment will see a fee rise a early childcare expert says. But Jacinda Ardern says we are targeting one of the significant costs for working for families by making childcare more affordable to a greater number of low and middle income families.
National Leader Chris Luxon has called the Government policy “band – aid economics and it appears that low income workers are still not happy and are calling for Jacinda Ardern and the Government to extend the fuel tax subsidy when it comes to a end in the early months of 2023.
“Govt’s childcare package will see fees go up – expert” https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/07/govts-childcare-package-will-see-fees-go-up-expert/
How much is Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Finance Minister Grant Robertson prepared to gamble with taxpayers money to achieve their lust for power at the next election.
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November 8, 2022 8:01am
- artemisia
  
  More money for childcare, big Labour announcement? Well that has flushed out the various unions and industry groups. There is a shortage of ECE teachers and the remedy is pay ECE teachers more. So say NZEI, Early Childhood Council and the Green Party.
  
  Actually nothing stopping private ECE providers increasing fees to pay teachers more. There is a shortage of teachers , there are waiting lists, some centres have closed. But what’s not said is that apparently it is taxpayers who have to provide the money to recruit and retain.
  
  Meanwhile –
  
  “We’re in a crisis… teachers are tired,” Te Rito Maioha Early Childhood NZ chief executive Kathy Wolfe said
  
  Why are ECE teachers so tired? (How pathetic is that?) What has changed? What is the crisis exactly? There remain limits of children to staff ratios and attendance has to be reduced to the correct ratio. Same as aged care, also some are closing and reducing occupants, and families having to step up.
  
  So again, the crisis is what? And why?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130400740/exhausted-early-childhood-sector-predicts-longer-waiting-lists-on-back-of-governments-childcare-plan
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “and the remedy is pay ECE teachers more.”
    
    If you pay the ECE teachers more, the Primary teachers will demand to be paid more. It is probably the most unionised occupation in New Zealand. Pay relativiies are sacred. Then the secondary teachers will want to be paid more.
    
    Unintended consequences are such fun 😂
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:33am
    - RoboRob
      
      Lucky Unions are soooo great. My wife is a (fully qualified) head teacher in a Kindergaten (read only fully qualified teachers as opposed to private ECE centres). The wonderful union has a brilliant pay scale that means a head teacher earns <5k (from memory) more than a standard teacher with 10yrs experience. Said teacher has none of the extra duties and responsibilities of a head teacher. You need to be insane to be a head teacher under this union system.
      
      Note my wife isn't insane, its well worth it for her as she only has ~5yrs experience so the pay jump is huge. Once she has clocked up her 10yrs though, she should step back to a standard staff member.
      
      Ah unions.
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:12am
      - rockape
        
        Same in health, lowest paid nurses got 14% my wife at the top end got less than 1% and she had to study 7 extra years to get where she is.
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:48am
- Tricati
  
  Heard woman being interviewed by Heather du Plessis-Allen last night pulling the Chid-care Package apart.
  Seems it will lead to more centres closing, costs increasing in those remaining, and the number of children affected is only around 40,000 compared to around 190,000 in child care (@20%).
  For all the hype at the announcement, its seems like another Labour bust once the detail and unintended consequences are exposed.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Of course the policy will increase inflation 🤡 If you increase subsidies, demand for childcare increases. Childcare places are constrained by labour shortages. Some have shut their doors because they cannot get workers.
  
  So no doubt at all that the policy is inflationary. Jacinda would have received advice on the consequences.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:28am
- rouppe
  
  What labor won’t tell you is that those package gets to maybe 20% of families that use ece.
  
  All it’s doing is increasing the numbers of people reliant on government welfare.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:13am
- Ian Boag
  
  Here’s a bit of a radical thought.
  
  Once upon a time what are now ECE establishments were “day care centres”. You dropped the kiddies off there and they were looked after – sort of like their unqualified auntie would have – until you picked them up at the end of the day. Not much in way of rules about “teacher” qualifications etc. You paid your money and took your choice. Quite a few aunties did “baby-sitting” in their homes.
  
  And of course if you have an unqualified relly (or family friend) who is willing to look after the kiddies, there are no regs about how many kids she can look after, how she does it, what she needs in the way of qualifications, what the kids get fed etc etc.
  
  If a parents want their pre-schoolers to be “educated” and can afford it they can find places that charge more and do some unregulated version of “education”. Free choice and all that.
  
  If they just want them fed, watered, changed and sort of amused ….
  
  ECE is a privately-owned for-profit regulated sector – heavily government subsidised – where some kids get whatever form of education the owners think meets the rules. When the kids from this sort of place get to school they are in classes with kids who have not had this sort of head-start. Obviously the school teachers have to teach to the average. Perhaps we should be streaming from year 1 🙂
  
  Is there someplace I can find a summary of what the teachers normally teach in an ECE establishment?
  
  An analogy might be apt. There is some sentiment here on KB about the healthy homes thing taking perfectly livable properties off the market. People should be able to choose a non-complying home if that is all they can find and/or afford. The same could be said of child-minding services ….
  
  Go figure.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Inflation by April Fools Day next year will obviate any increase, and fees will go up accordingly.
    Stupid attempt at vote buying, but I bet many families involved have never voted, and some will not even be on te Electoral Role.
    Next Years Census will be fun as there are many who do not want to be identified – Auckland overstayers was estimate at 14,000 a while ago, and may well have increased.
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:23am
  - artemisia
    
    Aunties and grannies still look after little ones at home. No government subsidy though.
    
    A lot of info here –
    
    https://www.education.govt.nz/early-childhood/
    
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    November 8, 2022 5:04pm
kiwikidsnz

Really jumping the shark
https://i.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300733147/crazy-moment-huge-shark-leaps-on-board-fishing-boat
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November 8, 2022 8:02am
- cmm
  
  NB toilet paper handy!
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yup, makos are scary buggers, I’ve hooked up a couple over the years. A sharp knife to cut the line is the best course of action. Don’t let them anywhere near the boat.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And whatever you do, don’t grab it by the tail to flip it back in the drink. Makos are one of the few sharks that can bite their own tail.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Thanks for the tip! I’ll do my best to make sure I never get that close to one of the buggers…..lol
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:24am
- Frank the tank
  
  More them out there than people know. Take a plane ride over the Hauraki Gulf in summer and there are literally hundreds just past the breakers.
  
  A few white pointers as well.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:16am
  - G152
    
    Dont forget those residing in Parliament feeding off the voters
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:26am
    - Ehlana
      
      Deeply offensive to sharks.
      
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      November 8, 2022 11:09am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I’m pretty sure the majority are Bronze Whalers, Makos are found in deep water.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Makos are stupid – like a pitbull on steroids
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:08am
O C Smith

Michael Baker is again on his band wagon advocating increased mask usage and a return to boosters. I would suggest that people should hold off on getting boosted until there has been some investigation into the significant number of “excess deaths” that have occurred internationally. MSM seem reluctant to cover excess deaths and Dr John Campbell is struggling to cover this subject on his Youtube channel owing to Yt’s restrictions.
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November 8, 2022 8:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Seriously, with the evidence now available, anyone getting a booster (with possibly the exception of someone with severe underlying conditions) is putting themselves forward as a candidate for 2o22’s Darwin Awards.
  Even if I did suffer from serious comorbidities, I’d think long and hard about taking this experimental product.
  These things do more harm than good in the vast majority of cases.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:16am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I’ve still got some Ivermectin in my med. cabinet. 🙂
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:05pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Don – well done, the assholes at customs stores mine and destroyed it. “kind and caring”. Yeah nah.
      
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      November 8, 2022 7:15pm
- kevn
  
  @o C S… Baker clearly has defective thinking and logic, plus he doesn’t seem to read very widely. There is a mountain of the negative jab/mask info out there. Robert Malone is a good starting place.
  Bakers stance is ridiculous. A laughing stock even.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:16am
  - RoboRob
    
    I believe Bakers success rate is ~0%. Anything suggested by Baker is wrong.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  I have a country-by-country excess deaths summary to post in the next few days.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:22am
  - kevn
    
    @kk… Let me guess. Highest jab ratio equals highest excess deaths?
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:29am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The numbers are impossible to ignore. They urgently require a halt to “vaccinations” in all but possibly extreme situations, buyer beware.
      An immediate inquiry into how the hell this ever happened and steps taken to make sure it can never happen again.
      
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      November 8, 2022 8:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    KK – they will be frightening numbers.
    
    I found what appears to be a good resource regarding the nightmare of the last 3 years.
    
    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it.
    -H.L. Mencken
    
    Hmmm… so this coronavirus with a 99.85% survival rate for those who catch it can only be defeated by:
    
    The media no longer asking questions and doing journalism, and instead becoming the mouthpieces of the government
    
    Washed up formerly rebellious artists and musicians making demands that everyone now must do whatever ‘the man’ tells them to do
    
    The consolidation of state and corporate power
    
    The strip-mining of personal liberties
    
    The mandating of masks, social distancing, and stay at home orders
    
    The outlawing of criticism of public health officials, big pharma, and, uncensored speech
    
    The deification of ‘the science‘, and the persecution of anyone debating or questioning it
    
    The bastardization of language, altering the meanings and definitions of century old words
    
    The proliferation of contact tracing digging into the communications, associations, and actions of all citizens
    
    The destruction of the world’s economy, supply chains, and work ethic
    
    And the repeated forced injections of barely tested gene expression modifying concoctions into the arms of every person on the planet?
    
    The hell with it, I’ll put up with the virus, thanks.
    
    https://tritorch.com/falsechoice/index.html
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:54am
  - mawm
    
    Joel Smalley @ Dead Man Talking has some info you might want.
    
    https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-definitive-guide-to-excess-death
    
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    November 8, 2022 1:56pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Joel is one of my key sources. He has pulled and standardised heterogeneous datasets from 20 countries.
      
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      November 8, 2022 5:01pm
- Allan
  
  Baker is a waste of space and as more has been revealed about the whole unfortunate saga his views and opinions have been proven to be wrong. He should be treated with abject contempt and disdain for what he has done.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:32am
- igm
  
  Close family member, taking warfarin, had a further heart attack after his first booster, caused by a clot. Seems he is not the only one suffering similar outcomes. This is not being swept under the carpet, he having a good QC, and some damn good doctors looking into the disaster.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    For those who don’t know, warfarin is a blood thinner.
    It is also rat poison. My Dad used to take it.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:13am
    - rouppe
      
      I took it for 6 months or so after a collapsed lung to reduce the chance of a clot.
      
      Yes the same ingredient is in rat poison, though in significantly different concentrations.
      
      Is the same argument as those saying taking ivermectin is the same as taking horse dewormer.
      
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      November 8, 2022 10:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        yep
        
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        November 8, 2022 12:30pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      SteveO: I’ve been told you need to specifically ask for Pradaxa over Warfarin. Dr’s either don’t know about it or get paid more to push warfarin. Who bloody knows!!!
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:08pm
- Simon
  
  They were always nuts. Its just that some can only see it now.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:44am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Clown Baker needs to be very careful with his advice. The drug companies where smart enough to get themselves immunity from liability if things went wrong but not for “experts” or politicians that pushed the product.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:30am
Tony Stuart

If you’re interested at all in the Health sector, this is a must-watch video. It shows why Dr Shane Reti will be an outstanding Minister of Health, with strong support and relationships right across the sector.
https://youtu.be/cRkUVTa4KEA

Dr Reti the polar opposite of Andrew Little. He answers questions factually, with data to back up his replies. He is clearly well informed, and has clinical, professional and governance experience to fall back on, whereas Little’s defensive response is to blame National for all the ills of the Health system at the moment, despite Labour having now been in charge for more than five years. Reti’s demeanour is calm and dispassionate; Little hasn’t earned the moniker “Angry Andy” without good reason.

If only Little could rise above politics, reach out and pick Reti’s brain now, the Health system might recover. Sadly, after another year under Little’s stewardship, the system may in fact be moribund.
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November 8, 2022 8:03am
- Frank the tank
  
  Will be the best health minister since Tony Ryall.
  
  Reti appears the type of individual that just gets on with things – we need more people of this nature in government and parliament.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    He will likely be even better than Ryall, who was a superb Minister of Health. But Dr Reti’s clinical background, and the work he did at Harvard University’s medical school has given him the almost perfect preparation for the role.
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:31am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  If Dr Sharma gets in at the next election in 2023, maybe he and Dr Reti could join up as a double act and sort out the mess.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One from each side of the political divide would actually be a good mix.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:15am
    - Opie
      
      Your are right Steve. To survive as a society and country we actually need to work together to solve problems, not just argue over who has the right to solve them their way.
      
      If we start by finding out what we agree on, there is plenty of good things that can be started.
      
      Unfortunately the left appear to have stopped listening, with a clear intention to hate and cancel everyone that doesnt explicitly agree with everything they say.
      
      It’s long past being about the people they supposedly serve and more about satisfying their own agenda.
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There are a few on the left who have a grip on things. But most are just rabid Marxists
        
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        November 8, 2022 12:34pm
- herb1
  
  Yes he’s very good Tony, but we’ve become used to seeing intellectually and emotionally challenged people in this Government , that looking competent is a very low bar.
  I used to wonder , what the seriously dumb kids in my primary school class could do in adulthood,and what horrible futures they faced.
  I needn’t have worried , a Labour cabinet position or even PM was possible
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:23am
- Taieri
  
  If you’re interested at all in the Health sector, this is a must-watch video.
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  If you’re interested at all in the Health sector, this is a must read:
  
  https://midwiferycouncil.health.nz/Public/10.-Aotearoa-Midwifery-Project/Aotearoa-Midwifery-Project-Scope-of-Practice.aspx
  
  A few sample gems:
  
  Scope of Midwifery Practice
  Revised
  a.
  Te Tiriti o Waitangi is embedded in the practice of a kahu pōkai | midwife in Aotearoa New Zealand.
  b.
  The kahu pōkai | midwife is responsible for providing culturally and clinically safe care, in any setting, for whānau who are planning a pregnancy, pregnant, birthing, and postnatal.
  c.
  The kahu pōkai | midwife values mātauranga Māori and other worldviews to provide safe kahu pōkai | midwifery care that promotes whānau health and wellbeing.
  d.
  The kahu pōkai | midwife draws upon cultural and clinical ways of knowing, with effective communication skills, to assess, diagnose, plan, provide and evaluate care. Where clinically indicated, and with the appropriate education, the kahu pōkai | midwife prescribes treatments and medicines.
  
  No wonder there’s no progress with extending resources in Health Care, with money being spent on this sort of garbage.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:33am
  - Richard
    
    So glad we went private for our two kids. The specialist has her own Midwife who was really pragmatic and without the quackery that many midwives practice. My wife asked about birth-plans. The specialist said “getting the baby out IS the plan”. The pervasiveness of Maori culture into every facet of life is turning me against all things Maori.
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:59am
    - Opie
      
      Maoris have led the bad stats and trailed in the good for my whole life. Now they just have more money to make bad choices with.
      
      Yet the country is going to be better if we are more like them and let them run the show?
      
      It’s literally like changing the pass mark as people get dumber (we are doing that as well).
      
      You have seen Zimbabwe. You are seeing South Africa. We know how this ends and its not pretty.
      
      We continue to reward bad choices and behaviour and now make crucial country wide decisions based on race.
      
      Even Mike King has called it the most rascist government ever.
      
      Can we wake up? Or is it over?
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:45am
      - Drone
        
        Its over..
        
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        November 8, 2022 1:56pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    An NZ Herald reporter poses the rhetorical question;
    “Why are we so angry?”
    Look at Taieri’s excellent post and if you can’t get the answer, open both eyes.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:04am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The little shits that threw tantrums, threw toys, yelled and cried when they didn’t get a lolly, have now grown up to become adult children. Angry when things don’t go right.
      Their attitudes are still the same.
      Good vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8Z3EskrD0
      
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      November 8, 2022 12:43pm
      - riffer
        
        Marking the point in the calendar when Steve and I actually agree on something.
        
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        November 8, 2022 1:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Riffer, I nearly gave you an uptick yesterday. Can’t remember what is was now.
        
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        November 8, 2022 2:12pm
  - nathie
    
    If you look at their “About Us” and their street address, they are now another typical Wellington bureaucracy based in privileged seclusion in a high-rise “ivory tower”.
    
    Presumably they are so disconnected with the hard working and exhausted front-line staff so have the time (and $$$) to waste on these unnecessary and racist “feel-good” aims.
    
    What to do? Cut their funding (or better still redirect it to the front-line)? Devolve them from their plush inner-city high-rises and attach them to a hospital (or birthing-centre) wing? Devolve them from Wellington and put them in, say, Invercargill or Westport etc, where people don’t want to be woke?
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:38am
    - mawm
      
      They have some very powerful “friends” in the MoH. Remember it was Clark who paved the way for direct entry midwives.
      
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      November 8, 2022 2:02pm
      - nathie
        
        Yep, and NZ lost a lot of highly experienced Obstetricians as a result (and the Midwifery Council wonder why their frontline staff, the midwives, are overworked or can’t accept new couples/pregnant women in some instances).
        
        Another Helen Clark disaster with far-reaching unintended consequences (and was deliberate – H1 always knows best, and won’t acknowledge her wrongs)!
        
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        November 8, 2022 4:13pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The gulf between the public and private hospitals is now vast. My partner is currently in Southern Cross hospital in Christchurch for some surgery. Amazing care. The nurses are relaxed and friendly. I would describe the food as “high end cafe equivalent”. Two TVs in her room. High speed Internet.
  
  I realise this is all elective surgery, with none of the demands of the emergency department of a public hospital. However it is the backlog of elective surgery that is causing misery for thousands who wait months for treatment or who are denied any treatment.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:52am
  - Opie
    
    I had an acc funded surgery in Southern cross last year and the food was high end restaurant quality, as was the care.
    
    Couldn’t be more different to public.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:37am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      One of the menu choices at the hospital is “Dubarry Cauliflower Cream Soup”. It is so good I have been tasked to replicate the recipe at home 🙂
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:48am
- Simon
  
  Reti is probably a fine fellow and able to lead MofH. But thats the problem the system allows clowns like Little to run it.
  
  The system is broken and its not good enough to have sometimes someone like Reti run it when its only a matter of time he is replaced by Bozo the Clown.
  
  National dont get it or choose to ignore the problem. The system has failed.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That will continue until capable people are attracted to join the Labour Party and to run for office. Capable people are not going to do so because the policies of the Labour Party are anathema to them. Unless that cycle is broken, every time you get a Labour Government it is broken health system, massive housing bubble, misery for renters, the oil majors fleeing, crime rising, and societal division.
    
    If the Greens were in power, magnify those effects x 5 or x 10.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:28am
    - Simon
      
      The system is failure because of Labo & Greens. It is something National ignore and they insult everyone by doing so.
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:50am
- OlderChas
  
  The video shows John Campbell’s shocking interview behaviour. He is certainly not there to listen to answers to the questions he poses!
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:02am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And yet at the end of the interview, Campbell remarks how much he enjoys interviewing Reti; a tacit admission perhaps that Campbell’s interview technique simply wasn’t robust enough to cope with getting intelligent, considered answers!
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Train wreck, papers all over the place – as he did with John Key.
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:52pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Tony: Christ I couldn’t sit through too much of it due Campbell’s appalling interview style. Awful!!
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:15pm
Random T Person

I see Todd Niall’s peevish reporting on the Auckland mayor continues.
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November 8, 2022 8:06am
- Tricati
  
  Along with Simon Wilson – Seems Mayor Brown has really got into their heads.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:51am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Makes you wonder why they don’t extend the same daily reporting updates privilege to the Green Fairy in Wellington?
  
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  November 8, 2022 12:04pm
  - Hebe123
    
    You realise that Green Fairies are people who illegally but with tacit acceptance grow, process and sell medical marijuana products…?
    
    I talked to my doc about CBD. He said “I’m happy to prescribe it but it’s super expensive on prescription- you’d be better off to find a green fairy.” Fortunately everyone knows someone who knows one in NZ.
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:42pm
    - riffer
      
      I have had exactly the same response from both my doctor and the pain clinic regarding dealing with chronic pain. Jesus, even the USA, who invented the War on Drugs, have more liberal laws on this than NZ. I will never forgive Andrew Little for that cluster of a referendum.
      
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      November 8, 2022 1:37pm
      - Harry Knuts
        
        The day the NZ govt figures out how totally regulate pot and make taxes off it is the day they will legalise it. Till then there is no incentive.
        When the referendum was out a few years ago someone i know said to me “why make it legal – they could kill someone on the road” to which i replied, how many deaths on the roads now are classed as killed by a pot smoker, show me that stats. No response to that.
        
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        November 8, 2022 2:47pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      ohh my bad – completely outta touch with the term used for pot growers/dealers.
      how about Gweenie – sounds better right?
      
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      November 8, 2022 2:44pm
O C Smith

Agreed as Health Minister he will get huge support from Health Professionals which can only be good.
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November 8, 2022 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dr Reti will have to clean out the deadwood who have been there for years doing nothing. The whole Public Sector needs cleaning out.
  
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  November 8, 2022 12:57pm
Paulus

In reading a media reflection today of the Labour Party Ra Ra what seems to be not considered is that whilst some pepole do not necessarily like Luxon (who sucessfully ran a 16,000 staff company) is that the level of dislike, to put it politely, is against Ardern.
I do not believe that any former Prime Minister instills greater hatred than she does.
Actually sad but of her own making.
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November 8, 2022 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Cindy has played on polarisation and division, pitting people against each other. These deliberately amplify tensions and emotions driving them to extremes.
  
  It is thus no surprise that we see an amplification of the adjectives and emotions used to describe Cindy too.
  
  Milder terms like annoyance and dislike have made way for far more intense terms like evil, hatred etc.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She refudes that
  
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  November 8, 2022 1:00pm
- mawm
  
  Paulus – It’s probably because so many are waking up to the fact that the Podium of Truth was just a platform of lies.
  
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  November 8, 2022 2:27pm
Frank the tank

Outstanding work by Cam Slater exposing the relationship between the WEF and Jacinda Ardern.

It appears the true architect of our country’s demise resides in Germany.
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November 8, 2022 8:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Klaus Schwab resides in Cologny, Switzerland.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:36am
  - Frank the tank
    
    LOL. I stand corrected.
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      His family history is well worth looking into. He was born in Germany. His father was a member of the brownshirts and the Nazi Party. He was also a strong supporter of the eugenics movement.
      
      After the First World War his family, who were merchants, moved to Vienna, Austria, where Schwab discovered his love for nature. In Vienna, he joined NSDAP (Nazi Party) as well as Sturmabteilung (SA or Brownshirts) in which he was a lieutenant from 1930.
      
      As an editor of Lebenschutz (Protection of Life), he has been repeatedly accused of racism.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Günther_Schwab
      
      Lovely family upbringing. It gets worse. Here is an excerpt from an in depth investigation into Klaus and his origins. Fascinating and concerning reading.
      
      In this Unlimited Hangout investigation, the past that Klaus Schwab has worked to hide is explored in detail, revealing the involvement of the Schwab family, not only in the Nazi quest for an atomic bomb, but apartheid South Africa’s illegal nuclear programme. Especially revealing is the history of Klaus’ father, Eugen Schwab, who led the Nazi-supported German branch of a Swiss engineering firm into the war as a prominent military contractor. That company, Escher-Wyss, would use slave labor to produce machinery critical to the Nazi war effort as well as the Nazi’s effort to produce heavy water for its nuclear program.
      
      https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/schwab-family-values/
      
      Nothing to see here, just another “conspiracy theory” Klaus is a lovable old chap who just wants to make the planet better for everyone …….//
      
      and apparently Jacinda Ardern is a close pal.
      
      https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/11/07/the-puppet-and-the-puppet-master/
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:19am
      - Master Mariner
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhez3is_rfs&t=22s
        Heres a great youtube by Redacted regarding NZ and
        the “Nutters Club” (WEF).
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:11am
      - andrewcarrot
        
        Just remember that most Germans were members of the Nazi Party or its adjunct groups. Membership of the party was a requirement for most jobs and certainly for all public positions. Every child was automatically a member of Hitler Youth. A huge proportion of Germans served in one or other of the armed forces, many in the SS. One pope was a member of Hitler Youth, but no mention of the influence that office has over several billion adherents.
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:12am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        andrewcarrot – are you seriously suggesting “nothing to see here, move on???”
        
        The man is an unelected billionaire with traceable links to Nazis and eugenecists, has trained and proudly boasted that his pupils like Ardern and Trudeau have penetrated democratic cabinets, has an agenda to destroy everything we know and” build back better”. But you appear to think his historical family links aren’t relevant?
        Are you 77th brigade or similar?
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:53am
      - mawm
        
        Clan – just a small fact check – the SA quest for atomic weapons was not illegal as they were not signatories to the UN non-proliferation treaty. The same with Israel.
        
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        November 8, 2022 2:33pm
- Rusty
  
  Frank – Are you referring to that Bond type villain character Klaus Swab?
  
  This man reminds of another German from the past Henry Kissinger who I think is still alive.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:38am
  - Simon
    
    Bond type villain. Thats the problem there is no way Cindy could build or organize a submarine pen inside of a volcano.
    
    Klaus Swab thinks people like Cindy can build stuff when they are nothing but parasites.
    
    Parasites can not build back better.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:57am
- Nickc2
  
  Without a doubt. Winston should have done his homework before he anointed her in 2017.
  She was a One World Govt and WEF disciple before 2017.
  Shame on you Winston.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    Winston did all the homework he needed.
    Who will give me the most baubles?
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:09am
    - riffer
      
      Not wrong cmm.
      
      If he gets the opportunity to do it again, he will do so, despite everything he is saying. It’s all about Winston First.
      
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      November 8, 2022 1:39pm
cmm

I see a bunch of MPs want an opportunity to earn less.

Shorter days, less pay. That’s how it works for everyone else.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-and-national-mps-join-forces-calling-for-shorter-days-at-parliament/6KESG4TMV2E2DRVYRGKSX47XHE/
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November 8, 2022 8:14am
- Taieri
  
  I see a bunch of MPs want an opportunity to earn less
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  They should all be put on the Living Wage just like bus drivers. That would allow them to spend more time with their families and allow them to live with dignity.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:23am
  - pdm
    
    Taieri – minimum wage would be too much for a lot of those Labour Backbenchers and all of The Greens and Maori Party MP’s.
    
    Could probably chuck in a few from Nationls Back bench as well.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:25am
- MCōs
  
  Are you one of these people who think dozing off in the House constitutes work?
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:24am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Are you one of these people who believe the majority of parliamentarians actually do an honest day’s work?
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:27am
    - MCōs
      
      I wouldn’t know.
      Some of them clearly drag the chain and remain at the bottom of their party’s rankings in the caucus or the list, serve one term and are never heard of again.
      
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      November 8, 2022 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    It’s more work than dozing off in front of the telly.
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  Jacky and Jenny should shut their mouths lest the voters learn how cosseted MPs are treated in the parliamentary system. Perhaps some blog should break down an average MPs work day so we can all see where our money goes.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:25am
- peterwn
  
  Would still be same number of sitting hours although the proponents have not indicated how the four hours per week would be made up.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:08am
Warren

Call to shut down Rehab Centre “wrong ” after Police Raid found drugs, money, guns- centre Director.
Well if you don’t abide by the rules why should the taxpayer be forced to fund you and as the saying goes play with fire and you will get burnt so why should this be any different.
“Calls to shut down rehab centre ‘wrong’ after police raid found drugs, money, guns – centre director | Newshub” https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/calls-to-shut-down-rehab-centre-wrong-after-police-raid-found-drugs-money-guns-centre-director.html
I for one are sick of gangs getting funded off the taxpayer and the breaking the law, so you made your bed so sleep in it.
There has to be consequences for your stupidity.
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November 8, 2022 8:22am
- cmm
  
  Zero consequences for yoofs mean that we have record levels of car theft in NZ and a generation learning that they are above the law.
  
  Add to that a hefty dollop of entitlement and fake grievances and no wonder they demand everything and have no understanding of consequences.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-christchurch/more-150-reports-stolen-cars-one-week-chch
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I live in Christchurch and I can confirm that car theft and attacks are out of control. A couple of streets from me, some kids tried to steal a car early on Monday morning. They could not get it started so they set it on fire. This was in a driveway of a house.
    
    Only a matter of time before these kids encounter a car owner who takes to them with a tyre iron.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:33am
- Harry Knuts
  
  here’s a novel idea – how about the police conduct random inspections on each of these premises including drug sniffer dogs, drug detection vans to test all the “clients” and metal detectors for scanning the grounds for buried contraband.
  Then they won’t need to call them raids – just random inspections. And no hurt feelings, nothing to hide, nothing to worry about and can’t be deemed racist.
  
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  November 8, 2022 12:17pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

another day, and another stuffed critique of mayor W.Brown – as usual, the hypocrisy is in full effect. shame that the stuffed luvies don’t apply same lens to adern & her most open and transparent govt ever. https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130375253/when-will-the-real-wayne-brown-emerge
woild be amazing to see any MSM follow up n BFD piece about adern and wef.. unlikely. too much public journalism $$$$$$ at stake.
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November 8, 2022 8:25am
- greybeard
  
  Verity Johnson gets into the anti-Brown act too.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:50am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Verity is a hardcore leftie and a feminist. She was/is all loved up over Jacinda as her role model.
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:19pm
    - Paulus
      
      Who is this Verity woman ?
      I assume that she is important.
      
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      November 8, 2022 1:42pm
      - plc
        
        No….she really isn’t
        
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        November 8, 2022 2:12pm
      - Harry Knuts
        
        Journo and social commentator too. let’s just say she fits into the Millennial stereotype well.
        
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        November 8, 2022 2:51pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

World is on “highway to climate hell” UN Chief warns Cop27 summit.

– Newshub.

Spare a thought for Graeme Hart’s wife…..
According to a new Oxfam report, billionaires emit a million-times-more CO2 gasses than an average ruminant does in a year! 😀

https://twitter.com/DeccanHerald/status/1589667787584282624
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November 8, 2022 8:27am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yet happy to emit tonnes of CO2 for a piss up on the red sea.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    It is said that 40,000 people are in Egypt for this 14 day conference.
    Look at the hot air they will produce, along with huge Hotel bill, and air flights.
    They did it last year in Glasgow and are already lining up for next years jamboree.
    
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    November 8, 2022 1:44pm
- emmess
  
  Defund the COP
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:41am
- cmm
  
  “a new Oxfam report” penned by a PR spinmeister who only flies pointy-end.
  
  A few years back I reported the numbers of Cindy’s milk run. IIRC her extra flight to give (inaudible) a boobfull of milk generated more atmospheric carbon than a herd of 2000 cows does in a year.
  
  I’m going to hazard a guess that apart from also making a lot more milk, those 2000 cows could probably run a country better too.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:55am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Oxfam is a communist front.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:34am
- alloytoo
  
  I thought the earth Melted ages ago and we’re all living in a simulation.
  
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  November 8, 2022 8:59am
- Harry Knuts
  
  ohh to be Graeme Hart’s bestie! one thing in life i wish i achieved LOL 🙂
  here’s my take on Oxfam – begs money through donations – takes a cut then passes on to some of the recipients.
  Now here’s my take on Mr Hart – works bloody hard, makes a ton of money, very successful and donates a load to his chosen charities – so the big boat seems like a fair trade-off: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127796079/new-zealands-richest-person-donates-fishing-boats-tractors-and-food-to-tonga
  I’m guessing Oxfam is off Mr Hart’s charity recipient list now.
  
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  November 8, 2022 2:58pm
Yvette

Securing an affordable upgrade of New Zealand’s water infrastructure
– supposedly the real reason why all this shit is happening
and is Labour already pushing it uphill – and down dale

■ The Government hopes the Water Entities may borrow money which New Zealand’s cities, towns and districts can no longer access.

However, international investors do not like politics and require protection from consumer backlash and democratic accountablity

Small wonder, then, that iwi authorities, and the co-governance faction of the Labour Government, were so keen to hitch a ride on the Three Waters bus!

But Labour’s big mistake was letting them climb on board. Because, by doing so, it turned the Three Waters project into the hottest of political hot potatoes – which is what international investors don’t like: putting their money into political hot potatoes.

– an accurate prēcis, I hope, from https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-three-waters-three-mayors-three-cheers

Thursday, November 24 is still a little way off
but have Labour already cooked their golden goose for Thanksgiving?

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“… Hitch a ride on the Three Waters bus”
… “I don’t see it as the final destination. I don’t see co-governance as the answer. But I think it’s the next bus stop in a journey that has to be made. It’s everyone’s journey. It’s like gravity, you can’t defy it. It’s on its way.” – Tāmati Kruger
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/09/co-governance-tuhoe-on-what-is-and-isnt-working-in-te-urewera/
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November 8, 2022 8:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

How primary teachers fail to teach some of our children well.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/streaming-unethical-in-primary-schools
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November 8, 2022 8:56am
- Albert_Ross
  
  The article argues against the practice of dividing children into groups based on their differing abilities and giving each group teaching materials appropriate to those abilities. The author concedes that the brighter children did well under this approach, but says that it reinforced low self-esteem and low expectations in the slow groups.
  
  However, its prescriptions are vague and its conclusion amounts to nothing more than “it’s all very difficult”.
  
  It is indeed all very difficult. But I very much doubt that holding bright children back so that the slower ones don’t feel bad about themselves is a better way forward.
  
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  November 8, 2022 12:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Holding back the bright children is deliberate.
    Can’t have the kids being smarter than the Teacher//
    
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    November 8, 2022 1:25pm
  - Paulus
    
    Why not, in Russia they do it as we can seen and produce such as Putin.
    
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    November 8, 2022 1:45pm
- Dave
  
  Interesting link, which, like so many newspaper reports on education, raises questions for the non-expert, rather than answers them, especially as much educational research is ideologically driven and insufficiently rigorous to be conclusive.
  
  The author’s plaint wrt to his ability groupings that there was no doubt that the improvement in these [lower] groups did not match their higher achieving peers, might be evidence of the egalitarian damage of ability grouping, or it might be evidence that the ability groupings approximately reflect real differences in students’ learning potential which the average teacher cannot greatly change, with the consequence that those who start off behind will mostly fall further behind as educational content becomes more demanding.
  
  The ‘ethical’ response depends somewhat on the more likely explanation.
  
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  November 8, 2022 2:12pm
Southern Raider

Adrian Orr just given a 5 year term extension

Isn’t this completely against normal political protocol whereby key role extensions are only co termed to around next election cycle?
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November 8, 2022 9:02am
- Simon
  
  “Adrian Orr just given a 5 year term extension”
  
  All that tree worship really paid off for him.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:15am
  - Jack5
    
    Stuff is now calling the Reserve Bank of New Zealand “Reserve Bank Te Pūtea Matua”.
    
    An acknowledgement of Polynesia’s past of banking and specifically central banking?
    
    The online Maori dictionary describes “pūtea” as a finely woven bag, and “matua” means first, or primary.
    
    Does that make the RBNZ governor the bag man?
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:19am
    - Ghost
      
      It’s been that name since 1989, its also been on your cash since 2015 or 16. And when you looked up pūtea you would see it also means
      
      (noun) fund, finance, bank account, sum of money.
      
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      November 8, 2022 9:27am
      - Jack5
        
        Ghost, pre-Westernisation Maori bartered. They didn’t have money, let along fund, finance, bank accounts.
        
        So, in the Maori language they use the equivalent of “bag” for bank.
        
        Why doen ‘t the Maori language just borrow/use the word “bank”, just as English has borrowed/taken at least 20,000 words from French and far more from Latin?
        
        Regardless of how long the RBNZ has used dual language on bank notes, the Maori version of the bank’s name hasn ‘t been used in the English-language media until the rise of Woke-ism.
        
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        November 8, 2022 9:45am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “It’s been that name since 1989”
        
        Not according to Don Brash. And he ran the show.
        
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        November 8, 2022 9:52am
      - Ghost
        
        Te Pūtea Matua
        
        Adrian Orr, governor of the Reserve Bank, said the name Te Pūtea Matua was not a direct translation.
        
        “It actually talks about our place, the place of the Reserve Bank with Aotearoa New Zealand,” said Orr, who copped some online criticism for the increasing Māori language and inconography.
        
        “Pūtea often means gift, or money, and matua means senior, or primary, so we are the primary source of finance for Aotearoa New Zealand. It’s a great name that tells people exactly where we are and what we are about.”
        
        The name is becoming quite venerable. It was first adopted in 1989, but Orr said: “We didn’t start putting it our banknotes until 2016.”
        
        That was under former governor Graeme Wheeler.
        
        The style choice on the Reserve Bank website is to have the te reo name in the same font size as the English name.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126337832/government-and-business-leaders-explain-their-organisations-te-reo-mori-names
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:09am
      - Jack5
        
        Finance Minister Robertson in announcing the re-appointment of Orr says:
        
        “Adrian has demonstrated the skills, knowledge and experience to help steer the financial system through the 1-in-100 year economic shock of the pandemic.”
        
        Skills? Orr threw petrol on the inflation fire by, with Robertson, “printing” billions of dollars.
        
        In the Telegraph, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard writes that the current form of money expansion is worse than older-times “money printing”. He writes:
        
        ” … central banks have conducted QE in such a way that there is a liability owed to commercial banks on the other side of every bond purchase. That liability is contracted at floating rates.
        
        “The US Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, and the European Central Bank, among others, have borrowed short to buy long.”
        
        Michael Reddell is worth reading at Croaking Cassandra as he affirms that inflation is “a monetary phenomenon for which central banks (and their masters) are responsible”.
        
        https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/11/07/money-supply/
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:02am
      - Taieri
        
        The problems is not with naming various organizations in Maori language as such. The problem is that some of these new names, not only don’t reflect what an organization does and what it stands for, they don’t really mean anything at all.
        To give an example from the Stuff article:
        “(…)Retirement Commissioner Jane Wrightson said her organisation’s te reo name more accurately reflected the essence of the organisation than its English name.
        
        “Te ara means a pathway, and ahunga ora involves planning and aspiration, so Te Ara Ahunga Ora means The Pathway to Wellbeing, the long pathway in the context of working towards retirement wellbeing,” she said.(…)”
        
        Now, try to understand, in this brave new world, what the hell “The Pathway to Wellbeing” refers to and what it stands for?
        
        But the real fun starts when we throw some of these new names into Google Translator:
        
        “Te Ara Ahunga Ora” translates as “Life Direction Road”
        
        or
        
        “He Pou a Rangi” (or Climate Commission) translates as “Sky is a Pole”
        
        or
        
        “The Whatu Ora (Health New Zealand) which translates as “Live Eye”
        
        There’re many more. but the best one of them all, is of course Waka Kotahi, which according to Google Translator means “Single Vehicle”. And which of course, means nothing at all. Still, at least it’s easy enough to remember…
        
        Personally, I have no problem with poetic descriptions, but not necessarily applied to the Government departments. Somehow, it is a bit difficult for me to visualise anything to do with the Government as poetry.
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:54am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Adrian Orr: “The name [Te Pūtea Matua] is becoming quite venerable. It was first adopted in 1989, but Orr said: “We didn’t start putting it our banknotes until 2016.””
        
        Don Brash: “When I was at the Reserve Bank, there was a suggestion that the Bank should have a Maori name, a suggestion which I resisted. To me, “Reserve Bank” was and is a proper noun, like John Key, and just as nobody suggests that John Key should have a Maori name, nobody should suggest that the Reserve Bank should have a Maori name.””
        
        https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/foisting-the-maori-language-on-kids-is-a-disaster
        
        Someone is lying.
        
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        November 8, 2022 11:24am
      - Ghost
        
        Seems to be around 2013 they started using the name on their website
        
        https://web.archive.org/web/20130420044402/http://rbnz.govt.nz/
        
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        November 8, 2022 12:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    Don’t forget the Gaia obsession .
    
    While he printed dosh , creating inflation and handed hundreds of millions to the “evil” banks to make even bigger “evil” profits.
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Croaking Cassandra might croak on that news.
  
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/11/04/making-stuff-up-and-misleading-parliament/
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  IIRC the Opposition is required to be ‘consulted’ on the appointment. I find it hard to believe that Luxon said “Yes go for it”.
  
  Also IIRC Croaking Cassandra did a story on this a couple of months back. Once the Governor’s term has expired there must be a new Governor and it can only be for 5 years. There is no option of reappointing him for 12 months up to the election.
  
  I also think that it is difficult for a Government to dismiss the Governor, once appointed.
  
  EDIT: Just checked – Croaking Cassandra has confirmed what I just wrote. (This guy used to work at the RBNZ – he is very knowledgeable. His blog posts are usually long and somewhat technical but they are worth the read.)
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/MHReddell
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:58am
  - Alwynn
    
    Luxton commented on this about 3 weeks ago and his response was anything but “go for it”.
    As quoted by Bloomberg he said
    ‘Asked if he would be unhappy to become prime minister with Orr in place for another five years, Luxon said: “Yes we would.” ‘
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-18/nz-opposition-doesn-t-want-rbnz-s-orr-reappointed-for-five-years
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:15am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Luxon
      
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      November 8, 2022 10:31am
    - riffer
      
      Pretty sure if they hate him enough they can fire him when (if) they get into power though.
      
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      November 8, 2022 1:51pm
      - Harry Knuts
        
        Perhaps they can but it would mean a big pay out c/o of the taxpayer for the golden handshake. So not really ideal and fair due process.
        
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        November 8, 2022 3:01pm
      - Alwynn
        
        That is, deliberately, very hard to do.
        The independence of the Reserve Bank Governor is a very important factor in his (or her) job.
        It is the same for almost every Central Bank.
        The current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which is the US equivalent, is Jerome Powell. He was originally appointed by Donald Trump and took office at the start of 2018. Like everyone else he got offside with The Donald who wanted to get rid of him. Donald found out that he couldn’t do it directly. Once you appoint someone you are pretty well stuck with them until their four year appointment as Chairman is up.
        
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        November 8, 2022 3:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The National Party is appalled by Finance Minister Grant Robertson’s decision to re-appoint Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr without first completing an independent review of the Bank’s performance, says National’s Finance spokesperson Nicola Willis.
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00062/no-accountability-for-record-inflation.htm
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:24am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Even if the next government can’t dismiss him, I expect that his life will be less comfortable 😂
      
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      November 8, 2022 10:32am
      - Paulus
        
        He is sweet until the Robertson’s appointed Board of Directors gets changed.
        He no longer has any Governors’ Responsibilty but does as he is told, as we have seen.
        
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        November 8, 2022 1:50pm
- artemisia
  
  There might be a change of instructions and a lot more performance scrutiny – costs and outcomes -with a change of government.
  
  Not just at the Reserve Bank.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:43am
- Tricati
  
  Correct, the past procedure has been to only appoint the Reserve Bank Governor a 1 year term leading up to an election.
  I see both National and ACT wrote to Robertson asking that the previous convention be applied, but as expected, the arrogant sod ignored them.
  Robertson probably knows Labour are toast at the next election, so any road blocks he can install now, he will do so. National will have the ability to change the Reserve Bank mandate (Back to keeping inflation under 3%) and insist the bank focuses on monetary policy, not climate change & Treaty issues. I would back Nicola Willis against Orr in that case.
  
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  November 8, 2022 11:45am
  - Alwynn
    
    I would like to know how you come to that conclusion. There is only a single occasion that I can think of, in 2017, and that was because the person they appointed to the position didn’t want to do a full term.
    
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    November 8, 2022 3:15pm
Nickc2

This is a follow to yesterday’s post regarding Cindy’s allegiance to Klaus’s WEF.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/11/08/just-how-deep-are-the-wef-into-nz/
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November 8, 2022 9:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s an excellent but very concerning post from the BFD. There are no conspiracy theories left, they all came true.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:35am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Clan: We’ll I sent the original article to Luxon and Seymour… not expecting a reply, but I live in hope.
    
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    November 8, 2022 9:42pm
Jack5

Zzz
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November 8, 2022 9:16am
- Jack5
  
  For anyone new to Kiwiblog: Posts such as “zzz” appear when the “delete” function in the blog system isn’t working.
  
  I had put the original post in the wrong place, and, being unable to delete it, had to include character or two before the post would “save”.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I just use a full stop
    
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    November 8, 2022 1:30pm
    - Jack5
      
      Steve, you should save one or two full-stops for your normal posts.🙃
      
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      November 8, 2022 5:19pm
thirteenstars

And there we have Rishi Sunak, like the rest of his WEF-inspired, globalist buddies at COP27, saying the rising cost of energy doesn’t mean we should pull back on Net Zero but proceed even faster because climate security (somehow) equals energy security.

So the rape of the consumer via politically-engineered energy scarcity isn’t enough, we need even more of the same, and quickly. A special tax on fossil fuel production is proposed.

There are also calls for an international “early warning system” for the climate. Sound familiar? Imagine a system of traffic light colours and other such that all subscribing nations enforce as regulations, taxes and mandates? That’s what coming, people. Feel the net closing?

Just End Humans.
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November 8, 2022 9:22am
- nathie
  
  You can see why the Left & MSM also piled upon Liz Truss – her plans for fracking, north sea oil and gas exploration and energy resilience goes against the green/woke de-industrialisation narrative.
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:47am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes Indeed, Definately more to see here.
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:22am
Benedict Yu

New Zealand has committed to reducing emissions to 50 percent below 2005 levels by 2030.

In 2005 New Zealand’s net emissions were 57 Million tonnes of CO2e. That means that they need to come down to 28.5 MT by 2030. That seems to be extraordinarily difficult. (see chart below). In 1990 emissions were 44 MT. The chart does not go back further, but I expect that 28 MT was last seen in the 1970s.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/indicators/new-zealands-greenhouse-gas-emissions#:~:text=Key%20findings,20.8%20percent%20higher%20than%201990.

Even with massive tree planting I can’t see it. Planting pine seedlings now is not going to sequester much carbon to 2030. Meeting the target would require rapid conversion to EVs, but also forcing many people out of cars entirely. But also cutting the cow and sheep herd by about half.

What am I missing here? It is just very basic analysis of public data. Why can’t the media ask this direct question to James Shaw or Jacinda? “Please answer the question empirically. No I do not want word salad.” And then take them to task if they refuse?

We deserve better. By 2025 it will become clear that the target cannot be met – not by a long shot, OR the Government will be determined to meet it, and the economic consequences will be reaped.
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November 8, 2022 9:45am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What you are missing is an assumption that there will be a technological breakthrough.
  
  No politician can be expected to specify what form that will take, who will achieve it and when it will happen. Terrible consequences result from their trying.
  
  What they can do is put in place policies that provide strong economic incentives, then sit back and rely on good old-fashioned human greed, which is possibly the most reliable, predictable and self-sustaining of all natural forces.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:00am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “What you are missing is an assumption that there will be a technological breakthrough.”
    
    I have worked on climate change policies. 2030 is 8 years away. What are the technological break throughs that will take emissions back to the levels of 50 years ago over that time period?
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:36am
  - herb1
    
    However Albert , until this weeks COP27, our Governments worked on RCP8.5 which says no technological advances
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:32am
- thirteenstars
  
  Forget asking Labour. Ask National since it’s increasingly likely they will hold power come 2025.
  
  No doubt we’ll get a lot of corporate-speak from ~~Rishi Sunak~~ Chris Luxon and waffling about “energy security” from ~~Just End Oil~~ National’s Blue-Green faction, but it all reduces down to the same thing: massively higher energy prices and sustained inflation since energy is what drives the production and supply chain.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:12am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Just thinking out loud here, but some of these ridiculous suggestions are starting to come true in countries around the world…
  1) introduce some kind of credit system where access to your own money is restricted, and unable to be spent on nasty things like petrol and flights.
  2) ban the sale of ICE vehicles. You won’t need one anyway because you won’t be allowed to buy petrol.
  3) Restrict the imports of petrol/diesel.
  4) completely wreck the farming sector. Already well underway.
  5) ban the sale of FF-derived fertilisers.
  6) start culling the herds. Use the bullshit reason that cows belch methane as justification
  7) compulsory acquisition of farm land, so that solar/wind/trees can be plonked on it. Farmers won’t need the land because they won’t be able to afford to farm it with actual animals.
  Of course, the country could commit this suicide, but the effect on the climate would be nil.
  
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  November 8, 2022 11:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “ban the sale of FF-derived fertilisers.”
    
    The Greens advocate this. Fortunately we have a recent experiment to look at:
    
    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/fertiliser-ban-decimates-sri-lankan-crops-government-popularity-ebbs-2022-03-03/
    
    I’m guessing Julie Ann Genter would argue that Sri Lanka “did not do it right”. Something like that.
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Word salad is all you will get
  
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  November 8, 2022 1:38pm
Paul Marsden

Chris Trotter states on the Platform, that he won’t be voting Labour, or the Greens at the next election.
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November 8, 2022 10:03am
- peterwn
  
  If he does not vote Winston either he would be effectively giving half a vote to National.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ah, good old “the unvaccinated are selfish bastards” Chris Trotter! Still waiting for his current opinion re the untermensch. He refuses to discuss the subject, Much like Bishop and a number of others.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:45am
  - nathie
    
    I recall during the Parliament protests (even in its early days) Mr Trotter called for Labour to unleash state sponsored violence against the protesters to smash them into oblivion.
    
    (Unlike fellow traveler Martin Bradbury who called out any Police violence as escalating the protest resulting in more people joining … and he was right).
    
    Needless to say I stopped visiting Trotter’s blog once his facade slipped as a jack-booted authoritarian supporting tyrant.
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:31pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yet he’s on the board or whatever they call it of the Free Speech Union. Even they don’t want to talk about it. Bizarre.
      
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      November 8, 2022 7:55pm
O C Smith

Will the US Supreme Court’s Roe v Wade ruling count against the GOP in the mid terms?
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November 8, 2022 10:12am
- thirteenstars
  
  Not a jot. Completely overblown. No one’s rights have been taken away and that’s obvious to all but the most extreme of abortion advocates.
  
  I think the gap between the decision and the elections has worked for the GOP since people have had time to process the ramifications and have realised all the fuss was moot.
  
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  November 8, 2022 10:28am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Abortion is now illegal in thirteen states where it wasn’t illegal before. How does that not amount to rights being taken away?
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:44am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Because there’s no such thing as a “right” to an abortion. If it were a right it could not be restricted in any substantial way at all.
      
      You might as well say states that restrict abortion by gestational period (as does NZ) are also violating rights.
      
      And extreme abortion advocates say that unless abortion is allowed right up until birth then rights are also being denied.
      
      The US has a system of competitive federalism. If Texas bans abortion you can simply take a short trip to New Mexico and have at it. There’s no problem getting an abortion in the US. In fact it’s easier to get one there than here in NZ. The fact that there’s not an abortion clinic within a short walk is no denial of anyone’s rights.
      
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      November 8, 2022 10:58am
      - MCōs
        
        Apart from anything else Texas has about twenty times the population of New Mexico, which has about eight facilities that can provide an abortion.
        I would suggest the more likely outcome is women resorting to illegal abortions.
        Some of these States are proposing wildly restrictive conditions on obtaining abortions and then having second thoughts.
        
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        November 8, 2022 11:39am
    - Nukuleka
      
      No it doesn’t. It means rights have been restored, not ‘taken away’. The right of the unborn not to be mutilated and killed, but to be born.
      
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      November 8, 2022 11:03am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        The right to make use of somebody else’s body without their consent?
        
        That’s not a right that anybody else has. Even dead people’s bodies can’t be used for others’ benefit, not even to save lives, without their explicit consent.
        
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        November 8, 2022 12:06pm
      - Zapper
        
        Albert – unless the mother was raped, that baby absolutely has consent to use her body.
        
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        November 8, 2022 1:37pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Because Albert, abortion was never a “right” in the US constitution, and it never therefore existed. And the people in the States concerned VOTED and got (and get) the state government they vote(d) for. That was the whole point of the overturn of the terrible Roe decision. Voters in each state get to decide whether they want abortion legalised.
      
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      November 8, 2022 12:33pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Believe it or not, there was a time in Lil-Olde-NZ when people got to choose if they wanted an injection against something. Likewise, there was also a time in that same country when a citizen-elected Council could decide whether to Fluoridate their water or not.
        However, that all changed when Cindy was anointed PM, and geez, hasn’t the NZ public regretted that?
        
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        November 8, 2022 12:50pm
- O C Smith
  
  Why a down tick when I only posed a question?
  
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  November 8, 2022 11:04am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If you are new here I recommend that you do not fixate on ‘down ticks’ 🙂
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:28am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Yes …… A number of trolls on here doing nothing but down ticking
      
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      November 8, 2022 11:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It gives them a hardon
        
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        November 8, 2022 1:44pm
    - O C Smith
      
      Cheers BY it’s a pity we can not see identity of tickers.
      
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      November 8, 2022 12:02pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “… it’s a pity we can not see identity of tickers.”
        
        I think that might cause some issues 🙂
        
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        November 8, 2022 12:30pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Why? It simply means the downticker disagrees with you – its not a slight on you personally. Don’t be so precious.
        
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        November 8, 2022 12:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just ignore them. Watch the upticks instead.
        
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        November 8, 2022 1:46pm
  - O C Smith
    
    I have not taken the downtick personally but still wonder how a question can be downticked. My views on the subject are completely unknown to k’bers.
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:53pm
    - Ghost
      
      Someone loves to downtick. Just ignore them. I rarely see them so have no idea if I get ups or downs. I guess they mean something to someone
      
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      November 8, 2022 12:58pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Ghost, I’m with you there.
        
        I like to think that I can agree or disagree with anyone in here without being so niggardly as to hit the tick function, whether positively or negatively.
        
        If we disagree – and I bet we have! And will! – I’d prefer to note in a reply why I did so…
        
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        November 8, 2022 1:42pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I always take downticks to mean I’ve annoyed the right people. Therfore I add them to my upticks.
      
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      November 8, 2022 6:34pm
- kowtow
  
  US polls show that is very low on voters worry list.
  
  Top of the pops is inflation ,cost of living , economy.
  
  BTW it appears the white middle class wimmin who’re possibly strong Dem supporters are also abandoning them .
  
  Could out of control crime be a factor ?
  
  Anyway , I suspect it won’t be close , it’ll be a GOPlandslide.
  
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  November 8, 2022 3:58pm
Blog-aholic

I came across this the other day and seeing it has been posted elsewhere thought Kiwiblog deserved a look. She is certainly an intellegent person and she has joined so many dots it is scary, really scary….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-d3jFIGxdQ&t=1490s
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November 8, 2022 10:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/mumbo-jumbo-and-maori-culture-dont-be-sucked-in/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/When-demands-to-respect-Maori-culture-become-idiocy.pdf
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November 8, 2022 10:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda and Labour disavow any knowledge of Covid

The walls of the events centre were plastered with posters proclaiming the successes of five years in government. Covid wasn’t there. A “little book of big progress”, folding out from credit card size to A4, filled with examples of “what we’ve achieved together”, was dealt out to members. Tacking the virus? Nowhere. In an extended slide show cataloguing Labour’s achievements across five years, played to delegates in the main hall ahead of Ardern’s opening address on Friday night, 36 different headlines lit up the big screen. Not one was about the Covid response.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/07-11-2022/when-norman-kirk-met-liz-truss-in-south-auckland
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November 8, 2022 10:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  These “achievements” are a fiction.
  
  She said “building 10,000 state houses” is an achievement. NO an “achievement” would have been:
  
  “Since 2017, we have managed to maintain the increase in New Zealand’s average house price to the CPI. We cut the waiting list for state housing in half. We implemented our ‘healthy homes’ pledge, and as planned, that had no impact on rents or the willingness of landlords to rent houses. New Zealand now a secure supply of affordable housing”.
  
  Jacinda – see the difference between “doing something” and an “achievement”?
  
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  November 8, 2022 11:33am
surfing

National need to pay out the rest of Adrian Orr’s contract and replace him immediately after winning the election.

Nice for Orr, 4 years of salary for no work, but, this is a cheap deal considering the economic damage he will otherwise do to the country.
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November 8, 2022 10:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “National need to pay out the rest of Adrian Orr’s contract and replace him immediately after winning the election.”
  
  According to Michael Reddell, and he should know, there is no lawful way for the next Government to dismiss the Governor just because “it wants to”.
  
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  November 8, 2022 11:37am
  - MCōs
    
    If that’s the case the Nats might as well stop complaining and figure out how they can make the most of what they consider to be a bad situation if they become government, which I’m picking they’re pretty confident about right now.
    Did I hear right that Mr Seymour is angling to be Minister of Finance. That should be fun on a few fronts.
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:57am
  - nathie
    
    “According to Michael Reddell, and he should know, there is no lawful way for the next Government to dismiss the Governor just because “it wants to”.”
    
    What if Mr Orr doesn’t meet his new KPI’s following a change of govt?
    
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    November 8, 2022 12:40pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Read his article on his blog if you want. I’m not across the details – but if he says it is difficult/impossible I am inclined to believe him.
      
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      November 8, 2022 2:50pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Benedict, I reckon we really need the American attitude to take root re political appointments.
    
    Immediately after an election sees a change of Government, all political appointees must resign.
    
    The new administration gets to have its boys/girls ‘in play’ … and, if it has any sense, would ask the better-performed appointees to stay on.
    
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    November 8, 2022 1:51pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      IIRC the Australian Government has some of that – all Department CEs are employed at the ‘pleasure of the Prime Minister’. If a new Government takes office the good ones stay on. Others do not.
      
      Let’s face it, if you are being paid 800,000 annually, you should not have any right to contest ‘unfair dismissal’.
      
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      November 8, 2022 2:49pm
- Paulus
  
  No – as I said before change the Board who will give him different direction.
  He is only a Public Servant remember.
  
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  November 8, 2022 1:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

David Seymour is Not a useless Māori

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/david-seymour-says-he-is-not-playing-dog-whistle-or-apartheid-style-politics-and-hes-not-a-useless-maori/46QSNF4CMRE2LHAAACYQNLLWSQ/
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November 8, 2022 10:50am
- Jack5
  
  The headline on the Seymour article in the Herald reads:
  
  David Seymour says he is not playing dog whistle or apartheid style politics – and he’s not a useless Māori
  
  This cunningly distorts the text of the interview that follows it.
  
  The interviewer isn’t reported as accusing Seymour of apartheid-style politics.
  
  The headline implies that Seymour is defending himself from an accusation that he plays “apartheid style politics”, yet the whole point is that Seymour opposes such politics.
  
  Here is Seymour’s position as outlined in the text of the article:
  
  “Apartheid is a system where people have a different set of political rights based on their ancestry, which happened in South Africa to a much more dramatic extent.”
  
  Seymour said he uses terms like ethnostate and apartheid when calling out the government’s co-governance plans because “unfortunately they are accurate”.
  
  The headline is biased. It subtly distorts Seymour’s position in the article that follows it by about 180 degrees.
  
  Shame on the Herald.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/david-seymour-says-he-is-not-playing-dog-whistle-or-apartheid-style-politics-and-hes-not-a-useless-maori/46QSNF4CMRE2LHAAACYQNLLWSQ/
  
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  November 8, 2022 11:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Stuff and the Herald no longer even bother to pretend that they are impartial.
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:39am
  - Dave
    
    “It subtly distorts Seymour’s position in the article that follows it by about 180 degrees.”
    
    Maybe, maybe not. Before reading your citation from the report, I interpreted the headline apartheid reference in MW’s preceding link in exactly the way Seymour meant.
    
    I’ve written enough poorly worded comments on KB which, on reflection, could have been radically misinterpreted, and also misinterpreted others’ comments, to try and read charitably rather than assume malice, whether here or in the Herald.
    
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    November 8, 2022 3:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      The headline takes a biased position by focusing on the ad hominem assertions of the interviewer.
      
      She – Moana Maniapoto – while accusing Seymour of using inflammatory terms, alleged New Zealand was built on “colonial dispossession”.
      
      No way was this an unbiased interview.
      
      How can the Herald, once a rock of NZ democracy, promote such activist crap?
      
      In my view, the slant of the headline gives away the Herald’s stand, and it’s pro racial separation.
      
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      November 8, 2022 5:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        An interesting branch from the interview with Seymour ….
        
        The interviewer, Moana Maniopoto, who is a former wife of Broadcasting and Media Minister Willie Jackson, gives a human picture of Willie. Makes me almost think Willie’s not a bad bloke.
        
        https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/02/21/guest-blog-moana-maniapoto-the-willie-jackson-i-know/
        
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        November 8, 2022 9:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  David Seymour has matured politically over the years. He will slip into Finance quite easily.
  
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  November 8, 2022 1:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://rumble.com/v1s9ll0-trump-turns-packed-rally-into-savage-biden-roast-plays-this-video-on-big-sc.html?
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November 8, 2022 11:15am
Ghost

The Christchurch mosque gunman who killed 51 people in 2019 is appealing his conviction and sentence.

The Court of Appeal in Wellington this morning confirmed to the Herald that Brenton Tarrant has filed an appeal against his conviction and sentence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shooter-appealing-conviction-and-sentence/5G6FXATMANASBLFA5LQBHBEYOI/
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November 8, 2022 11:24am
- David Garrett
  
  Ghost: That is going to be somewhat difficult given he pleaded guilty…IIRC he sacked his lawyers late in the day? He can only blame them.
  
  Then there is the deeply problematic evidence provided by his own video.
  
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  November 8, 2022 11:27am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just think of the shit that would hit the fan if his verdict was quashed and there needed to be a trial. 🙁
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:42am
  - MCōs
    
    Gives him something to do
    
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    November 8, 2022 11:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps he wasn’t in his right mind when he committed the shootings and pleaded guilty.
    
    I’m pretty damn sure he was on steroid overload at the time.
    
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    November 8, 2022 1:16pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Perhaps he’s not right in the mind – full stop.
      
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      November 8, 2022 3:08pm
- nathie
  
  Well he was offered a chance to speak during his trial and offer his perspective. The cowardly murdering scumbag didn’t so surely forfeited any right to ask for an appeal on existing grounds?
  
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  November 8, 2022 12:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Let’s hope that he never appears in front of a soft Judge.
  
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  November 8, 2022 1:59pm
- Ghost
  
  This is a strange statement to make, because this is a woman who has been living off this story since it happened and using it for as much political points as she can
  
  “His is a story that should not be told and his is a name that should not be repeated and I am going to apply the same rule in commenting on his attempt to revictimise people,” Ardern said.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jacinda-ardern-says-she-will-give-mosque-gunman-nothing-on-news-of-appeal/ELRC6PNIMGVZQN2YCTNRLB45HY/
  
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  November 8, 2022 3:46pm
kowtow

It rips my shit Ardern and Robberson wibbling on , clutching their pearls over the evil banks and their lack of “social license” or whatever .

Recall who was first to refuse cheques .

IRD and ACC . Govt agencies directly under regime control.

Kiwibank was the first bank to cancel the use of cheques following the IRD/ACC “initiative” .

The rest , given the clear signal from these regime entities then followed .

This has resulted in forcing elderly and/or non computer types into internet banking , something an awful lot of older folk are simply not comfortable with .

Many are victims of life destroyng scams that were made possible by the regime’s anti cheque policy .

Spare me your social license crocodile tears about evil bankers .
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November 8, 2022 11:25am
- nathie
  
  Post poor poll result deflections will be coming thick and fast from Ardern and Robertson (pity they can’t move this fast when doing the normal duties)!
  
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  November 8, 2022 12:46pm
- Taieri
  
  Spare me your social license crocodile tears about evil bankers
  ———-
  
  A low hanging fruit is easy to pick.
  
  Banks in NZ have to operate to certain prescriptions and must maintain certain standards. Who sets and controls these prescriptions and standards?
  
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  November 8, 2022 2:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/report-desantis-privately-told-donors-his-decision-on-challenging-trump-in-2024/?
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November 8, 2022 11:28am
Benedict Yu

Great piece by Chris Trotter:

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/11/08/chris-trotter-much-worse-than-it-looks/

He comments on Jacinda’s Labour Party Conference speech:

“… At its heart is a cynical contempt for the truth, and a smug conviction that the falsehoods scattered through it will not be noticed by anybody whose opinion matters. Labour’s leaders have been able to get away with this sort of rhetorical flim-flam since 2017 because the intervention of the unpredictable – Christchurch, Covid – helpfully distracted the country from its government’s moral vacuity. The longer the electorate has had to take stock of its government’s ethics, however, the less it has found to like.”
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November 8, 2022 12:47pm
- septic skeptic
  
  While Trotter is on our side on free speech and apartheid, he remains a socialist/communist. He is annoyed that Cindy et al aren’t doing it properly (again).
  
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  November 8, 2022 1:20pm
- mogg
  
  You have missed this important paragraph;
  It is certainly no accident, that on the issues that have so divided the nation – Hate Speech, Three Waters, Co-Governance – Jacinda Ardern and her ministers have been uncharacteristically tongue-tied. The redefinition of democracy which lies at the heart of all three proposals requires attributes this government simply does not possess. The intellectual ability to frame and present an argument. The straightforwardness needed to persuade even one’s own voters to accept it.
  
  Together with the media’s careful avoidance of asking the right/ or any questions which might be
  seen as awkward or embarrassing for Cindy the great communicator.
  
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  November 8, 2022 1:58pm
Hebe123

Excellent article about the fall of Dear Leader

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/ardern-enters-the-tragi-comic-phase-of-her-tenure?fbclid=IwAR3QPm8gv7d-ACF-7a_vtVg-QHag-1WfJRp7BfrlPgWXjdz8I7-o7Zv4nGI
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November 8, 2022 2:11pm
- nathie
  
  Agree it is excellent and the ending is just brilliant:
  
  Ardern will be remembered as a Prime Minister who collected windfall votes in that year’s election and — like a feckless and foolish Lotto winner — recklessly squandered the vast amount of political capital they gave her on divisive projects like co-governance and decolonisation she had never campaigned on and had no mandate for.
  
  She will mostly be seen as a leader who disgracefully betrayed the trust that voters placed in her.
  
  In fact a fitting epitaph of the final moments of her Prime Ministership (before she is voted out)?
  
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  November 8, 2022 3:55pm
Taieri

A bit of a contradiction in terms here:

“(…_the Otepoti Possibilities Co-operative, a group that praises anarchism, consensus decision-making, DIY, and “a post-capitalist future”.(…)”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/transformation-serving-radical-change-menu

Praising anarchism and consensus decision making at the same time?
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November 8, 2022 2:14pm
- kowtow
  
  I wonder what they’ll do if someone runs up a big bill there and “radically” refuses to pay it or does a runner .
  
  Good things Hawkins is gone or he might have been tempted to throw some rate payer money at the extremists .
  
  I wonder why the ODT is so happy to run a story about these extremists in such a positive light.
  
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  November 8, 2022 3:51pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Where the hell is Otepoti??
  
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  November 8, 2022 3:52pm
  - Taieri
    
    There never was an Otepoti. But some think that that’s what Dunedin should be called.
    
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    November 8, 2022 4:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      Ōtakou has been Anglicised to Otago. “Ōtepoti” would soon be Anglicised to Otep.
      
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      November 8, 2022 6:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Did Dr Jaspinda appear in Oral Questions in Parliament today?
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November 8, 2022 2:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes…for Q2.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20221108_20221108_16/tab/video?page=2
  
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  November 8, 2022 3:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pity Dave Seymour came in at about 7.10. I know he had questions but Chris Luxon had Jaspinda wound up like a clock. Very loud, very angry, but did not spit the dummy. Luxon was having fun and laughing!
    
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    November 8, 2022 4:18pm
rangitoto

Can’t wait until the success from COP27 comes about:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg8h8XqVUAA87gW?format=png&name=small
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November 8, 2022 3:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Success will be claimed by James Shaw.//
  
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  November 8, 2022 4:20pm
  - Prince
    
    Actually Shaw looks tired and dispirited. I’m guessing he won’t contest the next election.
    These COP boondoggles are now a laughing stock. Have they not heard of Zoom ?
    
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    November 8, 2022 10:35pm
Ghost

Let’s just disband the police, there is no point in having them when we have courts that give home detention for rape and you can drive drunk and kill someone and get away with it

A youth court judge failed to take into account the view of a grieving mother when he decided to discharge a youth who had crashed and killed a teenage girl, a High Court judge has heard.

The Crown is appealing the case of a now 18-year-old who was given a handshake along with the discharge by Wellington Youth Court judge Noel Walsh in August.

The 18-year-old had charges of driving with excess blood alcohol, dangerous driving causing death and dangerous driving causing injury. A further charge of possession of methamphetamine was dismissed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130410685/killer-teen-drivers-discharge-with-handshake-ignored-grieving-familys-feelings-crown
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November 8, 2022 3:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Get rid of Courts as well. The Dudges are just plain useless.
  
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  November 8, 2022 5:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Add: All of this goes back to Special K. What is he actually correcting, as Minister of Corrections?
    
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    November 8, 2022 5:35pm
    - Ghost
      
      Minister of courts, Andrew little 2017 – 2020, Aupito William Sio 2020 –
      Minister of justice, Andrew Little 2017 – 2020, Kris Faafoi 2020 – 2022, Kiri Allan 2022 –
      
      That little guy turns up a lot
      
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      November 8, 2022 5:48pm
Maggie Pie

Between arranging the flowers and choosing a couple of suitable wines for tonites dinner, I watched some of ‘Question Time’.

Must say that new Speaker seems very…. ‘low energy’ 🙁

And who’s the Labor-list MP sitting behind Michael Wood breastfeeding her baby during Q9? Didn’t look to me like she was very interested in proceedings. Yet we’re paying her $170k a year+ to be there!!

SHEESH.
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November 8, 2022 3:48pm
- Ghost
  
  Tāmati Coffey?
  
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  November 8, 2022 3:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Baaaa! Good one!
    
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    November 8, 2022 4:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Steph Lewis.
  
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  November 8, 2022 4:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Really? Or are these Pentagon guys just warmongers?
https://libertyonenews.com/admiral-charles-richard-warns-the-big-one-is-coming-us-military-not-ready/?
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November 8, 2022 4:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

California Governor Newsom “We’re getting crushed!”
https://leadpatriot.com/dem-gov-hits-the-panic-button-ahead-of-tuesday-turns-on-his-own-party/19700/
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November 8, 2022 4:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC v Elon Musk. God she is thick.
https://redrightvideos.com/ocasio-cortez-upset-about-paying-8-for-verified-account-on-twitter-elon-serves-her-some-truth/
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November 8, 2022 4:40pm
- Ghost
  
  I wonder if the $8 a month fee will be covered here by tax payers for the MP’s, I guess the answer is yes
  
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  November 8, 2022 4:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Might mean $16, two accounts. One for Govt business, and one private.
    She is sure to fuck that up, like Hillary did……..
    
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    November 8, 2022 4:55pm
Takere

Eke Panukus chairman Paul Majurey is under the pump! Not only is he under investigation for his conflicts of interests at Panuku but now another 3 investigations to do with the recent IMSB election.

Now, this!

3 Waters!
3 Harbours!

A couple of mongrels are about to ‘duke’ it out.

Tuku Morgan takes on Paul Majurey!

The winner takes Manhattan!

Tuku Morgan has just been appointed to the northern 3 Waters govt appointed Authority.

Add to that the other 3 waters settlements to come. Hauraki Gulf, Thames/Tikapa, and the Manukau harbours, and also the Tainui claim on Auckland too!

Majureys getting surrounded by Tainui!

There is a bit of utu here going back about 30 years between these two.

It’s gunna be a doozy!
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November 8, 2022 4:43pm
- Takere
  
  In his role as chair he has talked his board colleagues to take a $29k pay cut which is about 10%.
  
  But Panuku run at an annual loss of more than $34m. So I don’t think this token gesture in the whole scheme of things is gunna cut it.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300733851/agency-board-takes-10-pay-cut-as-auckland-council-faces-270m-budget-hole
  
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  November 8, 2022 9:35pm
Maggie Pie

Journalist placed on suicide-watch…..

https://twitter.com/JuanMoreNews/status/1589687338883391488
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November 8, 2022 4:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Kari Lake did the same. I am fit and healthy, my car brakes are fine, and I am not suicidal. Arizona Govenor maybe soon
  
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  November 8, 2022 4:52pm
Ghost

Shame some of these people had to make it a personal appearance attack on luxon

MPs describe National leader Christopher Luxon in one word
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-mps-describe-national-leader-christopher-luxon-in-one-word.html

MPs describe Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern in one word
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-mps-describe-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-in-one-word.html
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November 8, 2022 6:11pm
CAKE FACE1

Spare a thought for poor, old Cindy.

This is worth reading:

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/ardern-enters-the-tragi-comic-phase-of-her-tenure

A work of genius – he brings together a lot of threads beautifully. For example, remember this?

“Ardern’s weird burst of laughter visibly unnerved her senior minister Megan Woods, who was standing at her shoulder. A look of alarm crossed her face as if the Prime Minister might have suddenly become unhinged.”

There was also another example on social media previously that you might have seen, which Adams describes as follows:

“A couple of days earlier, footage of Ardern’s rapid and erratic face-wiping gestures at a press conference had ricocheted around the world on social media.”

I have also noticed this recently:

“In the House, Ardern’s occasional bursts of strained and shouty behaviour are starting to make observers wonder how well she is coping with the pressure of disasters on every front, from health and crime to education and homelessness (among many others).”

The trip to Antarctica is explained by the author thus:

“A personal pilgrimage to pay homage to Ernest Shackleton — her “childhood hero” — turned out to be an opportunity to associate herself closely with him, however implausible that might seem…

In the short video, her pitch to viewers was that, while Shackleton may not have succeeded in getting to the South Pole, he is nevertheless remembered for his leadership. He was also praiseworthy for saving the lives of his team.

The Prime Minister seemed determined to nudge viewers into grasping just how much she had in common with the famous Antarctic explorer — and perhaps steer commentators towards how she would like her prime ministership to be viewed in retrospect.”

Hahaha. I think he nailed it.

What this analysis would seem to show is that:

1. Cindy knows time is almost up.

2. Cindy is worried about her legacy.

She needn’t worry – her legacy is secure. She is the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had.

History will record her as a social and economic vandal of Biblical proportions.

Poor old Cindy…
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November 8, 2022 6:22pm
stroker08

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2022/11/louis-ck-cancels-tour-dates-in-wellington-and-christchurch-as-nz-comedy-guild-condemns-his-planned-visit.amp.html

NZ “Comedy Guild” has shown its woke colours and helped to cancel one of the 21st century’s greatest comedians for an offence that didn’t even warrant a conviction. Michelle A’Court and the rest of these useless hacks should take a moment to consider the blow back on comedy in NZ as a result of this.

They have set the bar very low in terms of acceptable behaviour for a comedian, a standard that most NZ hacks aren’t going to meet. Fucking hypocrisy.
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November 8, 2022 7:20pm
- Ghost
  
  Well one of the greatest comedians couldn’t sell enough tickets which is why the venues were cancelled.
  
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  November 8, 2022 7:26pm
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    Sells out Auckland but cancels in Wokellington and Christhole. Not likely pal, theres a bigger back story here which needs sunlight but bought off journos unlikely to dig into it.
    
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    November 8, 2022 8:38pm
    - Ghost
      
      His tour was announced in august. The comedy guild has only been in the media for the past few days about him, so yeah, looks like he’s not as great as you think, otherwise he would of sold out Wellington and Christchurch.
      
      And he might not have been prosecuted for tossing off in front of woman who were offended by it, but he admitted it happened, so not really the kind of person that we should be encouraging to come to this country. Or are some sex crimes involving woman acceptable to you? What if he was doing it infront of minors is that also acceptable to you?
      
      Your greatest comedian seems like a bit of wanker, even in his apology for it
      
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      November 8, 2022 8:56pm
      - stroker08
        
        Sex crimes? Children? WTF? He asked for permission, got it and the the “offended” milked it after the fact.
        
        He apologised and stayed in the country. More than what Gareth Hughes did.
        
        NZ comedian’s, like those recognised and awarded by the NZCG, have been after him since August. Do your homework pal. They’re celebrating the win after the underground campaign to cancel him has worked. Like i said, a real journo would have fun with story.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2022/08/guy-williams-slams-abuser-louis-ck-s-tour-of-new-zealand.amp.html
        
        I’ll be at the Auckland gig on the 19th and I hope the wokeies are out protesting so i can give them an eyefull.
        
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        November 8, 2022 9:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        Right so the woman who said he forced them to watch him masturbate are liars, and so is the woman who said she did not consent, good to know you don’t believe victims or his producer that stated he heard the stories and wished he had never hired him.
        
        No wonder we have a problem in this country with teen boys, when adults don’t believe female victims or the people in the industry who have talked about home
        
        Just recap, woman laid complaints, that he admitted to, people within the industry talked of having heard the stories of his behaviour that surpasses these five woman, the producer who hired him wished he hadn’t hired him. But he’s innocent because you think woman milk claims like this.
        
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        November 8, 2022 10:33pm
Cinematic

Which is most painful? To have been elevated well above one’s ability and fallen flat on one’s face? Or to have never risen at all, marooned somewhere toward the back benches with dreams of what might have been?
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November 8, 2022 7:34pm
Ghost

Newshub can reveal the Government is poised to announce a major change to banking, which experts say will slash their profits.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/revealed-major-shake-up-to-banking-on-its-way.html
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November 8, 2022 7:36pm
Inandout

I have always admired Megan Kelly’s fairness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKfez2PxEvs
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November 8, 2022 7:42pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis tweets latest poll out today……

https://twitter.com/ForPittsSake/status/1589808381719891968
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November 8, 2022 7:56pm
Rich Prick

What did Cindy make me have injected? I’ve never felt so fatigued and I’ve never slept in till 1.00pm on a Monday. I feel so fucked all the time.
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November 8, 2022 11:04pm
- Ghost
  
  If the Covid vax is making you feel like that have your doctor run some tests and check your heart.
  
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