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Tony Stuart

Why is Jacinda Ardern telling NZ Rugby what to do?

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has agreed with the growing chorus of voices saying the world champion Black Ferns deserve equal pay and equal opportunities to their male counterparts.

A month ago, it was revealed the England women’s rugby team would be paid a $30,000 bonus if they won the World Cup final at Eden Park last Saturday, while the Black Ferns squad were in line to receive nothing.

The All Blacks are in line to win at least $150,000 each should they win their World Cup in France next year.

“From what I have observed of the Black Ferns over a number of years, they’ve asked for nothing more than equality of treatment, you know,” Ardern told journalists in Vietnam, where she is discussing trade with Vietnamese officials before travelling to Bangkok for the Apec Summit.

“Just to have those same opportunities, and they deserve no less, and I feel very strongly about [that].”

Ardern said her stance applied to “every level of the system” and “every level of the game”, including sponsorship, media coverage, merchandise, and even “the meals they have after the game”.

She said the decision on how much they should earn, and if it should match the figure the All Blacks make, is in the hands of New Zealand Rugby.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-jacinda-ardern-says-black-ferns-should-get-equal-pay-and-opportunities/VRRSADNWXJB2PBQDQUQMDTAXEU/#

It hasn’t taken the PM long to jump on the bandwagon of women’s rugby. But unless her government is planning on funding NZ Rugby – and God forbid they do – then what they pay their players, male and female, is none of her business and she should butt out.

People will assume that NZ Rugby made huge money from hosting the Women’s World Cup, but they didn’t. Any profits from the tournament will go to World Rugby. And whilst the final was played in front of a full house, let’s not forget that 20,000 seats were unsold for the semi-final match between New Zealand and France a week earlier.

There’s no doubt the Black Ferns have taken professionalism in their sport to a new level, and they should be compensated for that. But they also need to pay their own way in terms of commercial revenues, as the All Blacks do. The women’s game has gone ahead in leaps and bounds, but that has yet to translate into commercial success.

And just when it does, compensating the players will be a decision of New Zealand Rugby, not the PM or any other opportunistic politician, regardless of which party they represent. Perhaps the PM should focus on reducing child poverty, apparently the very reason she is in politics.
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December 16, 2021 8:18am
- Cinematic
  
  Ardern the virtue signaller in full flight.
  
  If the Black Ferns can prove their return to the union matches the ABs then all power to them.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:22am
- alloytoo
  
  Equity is the same outcome from different rules.
  
  A deliberately uneven playing field.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  They are us.
  No doubt the Prime Minister will wear rugby shorts and a Black Ferns shirt when she turns up at the victory parade/s.
  And possibly a gold medal.
  And holding a teddy dressed in rugby gear for her child.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She will wear the shorts and shirt and say it was her idea.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:04am
  - Warren
    
    Spare us the embarrassment it’s bad enough when Jacinda Ardern opens her mouth and try’s to talk about financial issues which she hasn’t got a clue on but throws her arms around to while delivering her speeches to con the Public she does.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:09am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Ardern is embarrasing on a number of fronts right now.
      
      It’s reported that she called out to the Australian PM (“Hey Albo!”) and got a moment with Joe Biden by sidling up to his table for a quick chat.
      
      It struck me that she is carrying on like a Nerdy Schoolgirl trying to get in with the Cool Kids, and the media in NZ is reporting it as breathless, wonderful diplomacy on our behalf.
      
      It’s actually embarrassing and cringy behaviour, fawned over by a LapDog MSM.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:20am
- Matt Long
  
  The solution as usual is simple, all Ardern has to do is mandate that world audiences watch at least as much women playing rugby as watch men’s Rugby. Ahhh, diversity and inclusiveness, bliss.
  In other less enlightened worlds, 3 executed bodies bearing marks of torture were found washed up in Acapulco, not only didn’t Taniwhas get upset but the beaches were left open for people to decide for themselves if they wanted to sunbathe or swim.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:28am
  - David Garrett
    
    Matt: I think taniwhas are a uniquely Aotearon thing…a bit like the kiwi, and all those extinct birds those marvelous stewards of the environment – the early Maori – wiped out.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:33am
  - Dave
    
    People deciding for themselves – a novel concept, but applied to rugby pay, it might work: those Black Ferns who want equal pay for equal work should trial for the All Blacks to get their share of the money.
    
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    November 16, 2022 12:44pm
- Simon
  
  Not sure why anyone takes Cindy seriously or literally. This is mere narrative which forms the basis of Labo’s support. Its not a serious commercial proposition obvious to everyone sane.
  
  So why does Cindy engage in this fakeness? Because Cindy is a mere extension of the whole fake safe & effective system. In case no one has noticed nothing in govt works properly. They have to create a false narrative about everything and it becomes part of them.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:31am
- Rusty
  
  @Tony
  I bet you if someone asked the PM to name half a dozen players in the Black Ferns team that she wouldn’t have a clue. She probably couldn’t name the captain.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:32am
  - Ghost
    
    Oh she would know because she had dinner with them before she left the country
    
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    November 16, 2022 8:53am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – Ardern is a smile and wave, narcissistic idiot. She would shake hands and make all the right facial expressions, it doesn’t mean she will remember who she was talking to.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:29am
- O C Smith
  
  Was there any Govt support at the match?
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Oh yes; a number of MP’s were guests of the very same NZ Rugby they are now slagging off.
    
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    November 16, 2022 8:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She is so foolish it is embarrassing. Equal pay means equal income generation by the male and female teams.
  
  I understand that tickets to the final on Saturday were a maximum of $50. Kids were $5. Because they wanted a full house for theatre. Good on them.
  
  How much do the sponsors pay? 10 percent of what the All Blacks attract? 1 percent?
  
  And the main money spinner… International broadcasting rights. For the men’s world cup these must be worth a couple of billion. What did they pay for the women? Something approaching nil?
  
  Does the Prime Minister not have any idea of these realities?
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:35am
  - David Garrett
    
    Benedict: Your last question is rhetorical, surely?
    
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    November 16, 2022 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well it could be done the socialist way. Take from the men and give to the women.
    What about the transgender team?//
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:09am
- cmm
  
  Sport is entertainment.
  
  I tried watching some of the women’s rugby. It was unwatchable. I’ve seen more interesting U15 games.
  
  But then I am not surprised. When by son was playing rep hockey, the U16B team would beat the open women’s A team. Easily.
  
  But now it seems sport is great for politics too. Make a stand for equal pay in women’s sport and she’ll get a whole lot of support from her target audience.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The earlier women’s games may have been a bit boring but that final was great.
    Bothe teams were right into their game, I enjoyed it. Forget the refereeing.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:13am
- Nickc2
  
  Pinocchio’s nose is now so big, it knows no bounds.
  Mind your own business, Cindy!
  Rugby is not a Govt Entity and has nothing to do with her. Enjoy the games Cindy, but that’s where your interest should end.
  She’ll be telling Ram Raiders what they should be selling their stolen loot for next.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She would make special allowances for that loot to get through Customs, to the drug suppliers overseas.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:15am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The Black Ferns are inspirational and their RWC win less than a year out from being pasted by both England and France and having to beat both those teams to win it, is a great comeback story that someone will probably make into a movie one day. Maybe.
  
  However, let’s inject a dose of reality here. The World Champion Black Ferns would be beaten soundly by the Tauranga Boys College First XV and any other decent high school in the country. You can’t fault their commitment or technique, but you can’t coach height, males have massive physical advantages and they are quicker. Much quicker.
  
  The RWC will have cost millions to stage, and the TV rights, sponsorship and advertising will in no way make that up. Professional rugby is a business and it has to be run like one. When the women’s game brings in the same sort of revenue as the mens, then we’ll talk about “equality”.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Make a movie? Great. Directed by none other than Doctor Jaspinda Ardern.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:17am
  - MCōs
    
    Professional cricket in NZ is a business and provincial games are played in front of sparse mostly non paying crowds.
    The crowd that went to watch the women on Saturday was bigger than any cricket match incl 2015 World Cup.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:55am
  - James Stephenson
    
    They’d have been soundly beaten by England in a 15-against-15 game. Probably why Arden was nowhere to be seen in the run-up to the final and is only making her grab for reflected glory now.
    
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    November 16, 2022 10:09am
    - Ghost
      
      She had dinner with the team before flying out of the country the next day
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:17am
    - OlderChas
      
      And – how many more points would Portia Woodman have scored if she wasn’t taken out of the game? So Starting 15 vs Starting 15 would have been a very interesting game!
      
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      November 16, 2022 11:43am
- Yabster
  
  why? because it popular at the moment, simple.
  
  Right up Cindys virtue signalling alley- equal pay?
  
  hmm how about the league woman get the same as the men, or dare I say it the male netballers get the same as the woman?
  
  It comes down to how much those sports generate from sponsors, advertising, tickets.
  
  It wouldn’t surprise me if the World Cup makes a loss- the tickets where extremely cheap- starting at $5 for three games- and the viewership was up due to the final being free to air.
  
  If the ladies play and generate as much as the males then good luck to them but for now, nope – Cindy simple strikes again #cindyjustgo
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:02am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  If you are slightly interested in the promotion of women’s rugby union you will approach the local rugby sub-unions with financial help for female showering and changing facilities. These sub-unions are mostly broke. The inordinate costs arrived at by having to pay the battalion of central and local government officials to erect such facilities; now that is a problem that should be looked at.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:03am
- wisteria
  
  Good one Tony. The Deputy PM also alluded to better compensation for the women’s team as well. Rugby is a private organisation and should remain so. I understand they collect considerable amounts from the Lottery fund that should go to local organisations.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:23am
- NoFax
  
  Sport is entertainment – no different to watching a movie, attending a concert, playing a game, or reading a book.
  Tom Cruise recently made tens of millions of dollars for starring in a movie. However, Top Gun made USD$1.5B at the box office. If I was to be in a movie I don’t think I would come anywhere near that, hence, I’m not going to be paid millions of dollars even if I “work just as hard as Tom Cruise”.
  If the women think they are getting an unfair deal then I suggest that could split off and run their own affairs.
  
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  November 16, 2022 1:00pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  full Virtue signaling on show. funny how she make the decision to meet Klaus schwab instead of being at eden Park. priorities….
  
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  November 16, 2022 2:25pm
- Ra Henare
  
  I loved the UK top Footballer who was asked about female players being paid less than male players.
  
  He answered he didnt understand the politics, but he asked why top female models get paid way more than male models but nobody asks why?
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:57pm
Yvette

Has “hate speech” an opposite form of speech but of equal potential for disaster?
While Godwin’s Law of reference to Adolf Hitler or Nazi Germany generally can lead to self-censorship, some comparisons to the 1930s may still be legitimate to illustrate a point.
In this case – At the thin edge of the wedge, at the beginning of social division, which was the greater “hate crime”? – to use “hate speech” to denigrate the Jews and others, or “praising and upraising” the Aryan Race?

While Ardern, Faafoi and now Allan, and Meng Foon have struggled to define “hate speech”, what indeed is the right word, or term for taking a minority, and instead of inciting hatred against it, taking the seemingly opposite action, Aryanism – of elevating an ethnicity to an unwarranted supremacy.
OK – so the word may be supremism. In this case: promoting Māori supremism.

And even –
… co-governance will be more than that. Whichever becomes the dominant tribe will exercise much wider power. Nanaia intends to make sure that that tribe is Tainui. That explains the appointment of the Mahutas and Ormsbys to so many positions, irrespective of their merits, or lack of them. Their job is to ensure that when push comes to shove, Tainui does the pushing and the shoving at the behest of the King Movement, with _ Tuku Morgan _ playing a key role.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Michael-Bassett-NANAIA-JACINDA-AND-THE-TRIBAL-TAKEOVER.pdf

“The co-writer of He Puapua, Jacinta Ruru told Q A at the weekend that He Puapua is a ‘bus stop’ to ‘compliance.’ New Zealanders will be keen to know if the Government sees it that way, which stop are we at and how compliant do we need to be?” – ACT Leader David Seymour.
https://www.act.org.nz/press-releases/bus-stop-or-final-destination

Co-governance is not the goal.
Co-governance is not our term. Mana Motuhake is our term. So we are committed to washing away dependency on the Crown, and raising maximum authority for Tuhoe people.
I don’t see it as the final destination. I don’t see co-governance as the answer. But I think it’s the next bus stop in a journey that has to be made. It’s everyone’s journey. It’s like gravity, you can’t defy it. It’s on its way – Tāmati Kruger, the chairperson of Tūhoe Te Uru Taumatua and the tribe’s Chief Negotiator for the 2014 Treaty settlement
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/10/02/thomas-cranmer-three-waters-co-governance-and-the-lessons-from-tuhoe/

And how does the Ngai Tahu Treaty Top-Up Clause apply to this if at all?
And has Meng Foon missed the bus? Or will Jacinda and others throw him under it?
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November 16, 2022 8:03am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Meng Foon is not even a useful idiot. He is useless, as is his team. To this day the maori party website makes the claim that maori DNA is superior to non-maori, and his office will do nothing about it.
  
  Imagine, if you will, the uproar if say, ACT claimed that Asians have higher IQ than maori (they do), that they work harder and are greater contributors to the NZ economy, while being under-represented in the crime statistics and without the benefit of massive and extensive government support (also all true).
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:51am
  - David Garrett
    
    Lodden: More than 20 years ago the authors of the book “The Bell Curve” got attacked relentlessly for arguing – and demonstrating statistically – that whites were more intelligent than American blacks by a statistically significant margin.
    
    There was zero attention to the part of the book that showed that Asians were more intelligent than whites by a similar margin. IIRC, Jews topped the tree – also by a statistically significant margin.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:28am
    - Philview
      
      I do recall the argument that survival of the fittest around slavery created athletic supermen but killed off more intelligent types. It seems logical to me.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:59am
  - Liberty
    
    Immigrant workers in the horticultural industry. have a higher work rate and are more reliable.
    NZ seasonal workers have an appalling record. Sucking off a state benefit has a higher priority.
    
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    November 16, 2022 1:01pm
    - Jack5
      
      In the long run, the only way horticulture will thrive in New Zealand is by robotics.
      
      It’s interesting that much of the pioneering work in robotic picking is being done in New Zealand by a company founded as an NZ co-operative but now owned by a German co-operative.
      
      If the NZ industry doesn’t mechanise to robotics more quickly than overseas competitors it will be pushed out of business.
      
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      November 16, 2022 9:00pm
- David Garrett
  
  How the fuck can Tuhoe have got a “treaty settlement” when they never signed the bloody thing?
  
  Here’s a prediction: Within 10 years – possibly sooner – no white New Zealander will be permitted to visit Lake Waikaremoana, arguably the most beautiful place in the North Island, certainly the prettiest lake.
  
  White New Zealanders are already made to feel unwelcome there, and it gets worse each time I visit.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Isn’t Willie writing a revised version of Te Tiriti for Tuhoe?//
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:22am
    - Yvette
      
      Steve
      I understood Willie Jackson was “watering down” the 72 hui response to his He Puapua “co-governance” consultation / conversation with “targeted” Maori Elite, into a paper acceptable to his colleagues to take to Cabinet – then Jacinda would release it for public consultation, the other 83 percent of New Zealanders – but legislation involving that “co-governance” starts its Third Reading in Parliament this afternoon.
      So Willie has missed the bus – I think purposely!
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:06am
      - Tricati
        
        Correct, and Ardern gets a free ride from the MSM over her unfilled promise to consult with the other 83% of NZ.
        
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        November 16, 2022 11:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Ardern gets a free ride from the news media over everything. They are on the payroll.
        
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        November 16, 2022 9:01pm
- Yvette
  
  Cranmer –
  Five Waters and a Park
  As the government looks to push through the Water Services Entities Bill under urgency, it’s busy stuffing as much into its goodie bag as it can. The second reading of the Bill begins this afternoon.
  
  If anyone doubts that co-governance is not the final destination but only the next bus stop on a journey, as Tūhoe’s Tamati Kruger likes to describe it, then clause 9A of the Bill should put the argument to rest – the real debate, about who owns water in New Zealand will follow once Three Waters is implemented.
  
  https://cranmer.substack.com/p/five-waters-and-a-park
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:56am
Scott

I see the Democrat was elected governor in Arizona despite Republican challenger Kari Lake widely expected to win.
Here’s the thing. Why did counting the ballots take over a week? How is it that counting seems to almost grind to a halt? Then slowly slowly more ballots are found and surprise surprise, they are massively in favour of the Democrat?
Maricopa County took forever and the votes from there on election day were expected, based on exit polling, to favour the Republican. Republicans prefer to vote on election day, democrats prefer mail in ballots. Yet the election day votes also favoured the Democrat!

Doesn’t it seem fishy when vote counting stops and then after many days enough ballots are “found” to put the Democrat over the top? Doesn’t it seem suspicious that vote counting takes days and days and days? In 1862 the presidential election results were posted in a week. Now in 2022 they are still counting ballots?

The fix is in. Again!
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November 16, 2022 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The delay was the voting machines breaking down, the printers not working properly, the thing about unread ballots going to room three, and whatever other excuse Katie Hobbs could find. She is in charge of the voting setup, but she lost control of the machines and does not know what was done to them. Oh, she was also the Democrat Candidate. Fishy? Naahhhhh!
  Add. Ballots were still being handed in 2 days after the closure. They went to room 3 as well, to be counted. It stinks to high heaven, and people wonder why Kari Lake is screaming?
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/20/katie-hobbs-sent-thousands-of-erroneous-ballots-to-arizona-voters/
    Btw, votes are still being counted today ffs.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:40am
- MCōs
  
  Vote counting in NZ takes a couple of weeks to finalize and invariably seats change hands when the official numbers are announced.
  Nobody ever grizzles, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone decides the system we’ve used since forever is flawed and kicks up a song and dance.
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:03am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Kainga Ora plans 280 homes on a 2,000 sqm section. When a significant proportion of KO tenants are dysfunctional, that level of density is a recipe for disaster.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/130483661/the-wellington-car-park-thats-going-to-be-turned-into-280-homes
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November 16, 2022 8:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Employ my idea of yesterday. About one third of these tenants are great. Another third have occasional problems but are mostly OK. The final third are a nightmare. And I have it on good authority that the nightmare people can be spotted a mile off.
  
  So put the good tenants in the new place. Put the bad tenants somewhere nowhere near anyone but other bad tenants.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:41am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Like in motels in Rotorua?
    
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    November 16, 2022 8:52am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Purpose built greenfield developments. Basic and virtually damage proof. Able to be prepared for the next tenancy with a waterblaster and a tin of paint.
      
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      November 16, 2022 9:03am
      - Ian Boag
        
        As sold by qbh.co.nz. No I don’t work for them.
        
        Warm dry affordable prefab houses built from foam-in-steel sandwich. The kit fits in a container. Go up in no time flat without the need for a licenced builder. Have pre-approved MBI design consents. Come with hot water, heat pump, stove , fridge carpets/curtains ….
        
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        November 17, 2022 12:13pm
- Simon
  
  Kainga Ora plans 280 hatcheries on a 2,000 sqm section.
  
  Fixed it for you.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:41am
- NothingLeft
  
  Incorporate a small police station and pervasive CCTV in the property. I am betting KO tenants represent a large proportion of active criminals anyway, so will save police on travel time.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:04am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    No more pesky car chase fails!
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Most of the people terrorised by state housing tenants are the good and law abiding state housing tenants. I see no solution other than a 2 tier system.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      2 tier? Yeah – then wait for the calls of racists. They would never stop fighting/shooting each other.
      
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      November 16, 2022 9:52am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY – not a problem, Ardern is now officially an expert at 2 tier systems. She got plenty of practice with her obnoxious treatment of those who chose not to bow down to her demands during the last 3 years.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:36am
- wisteria
  
  Can’t see how this can help Wellington as no rates will be paid on this land>
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:27am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Kainga Ora will pay rates to Wellington City Council like any other property owner.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So a Public Sector pays to another Public Sector?
      Yup, that makes sense.
      
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      November 16, 2022 9:48am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        How would it make sense for kainga Ora owned properties to not pay rates?
        
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        November 16, 2022 11:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Benedict. It was a little satire dig.
        
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        November 16, 2022 12:08pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Oh I have heard of satire. I have sometimes a cultural block 🙁
        
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        November 16, 2022 12:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @BY. Yes, cultural block.
        I tend to pull peoples legs now and then.
        There’s another Kiwi thing I think. Teasing someone.
        
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        November 16, 2022 4:12pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes My partner tells Irish/Catholic jokes in from of her family just so they can laugh at my incomprehension. 🙁
        
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        November 16, 2022 5:04pm
- RightNow
  
  The wellington luvvies need more social housing around them. Thorndon Next!
  After their house prices drop another 17% and they’re too scared to walk from the Opera House after dark they might think again about voting Labour and Greens.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Something not right there. My property is 978 sq meters. There is no way it could support 140 homes no matter how high they were built.
  Maybe KO meant 28 homes on 2000 sq meters? Even that is near impossible.
  But hey, it is a Govt Department run by Labour. Fuck knows what they are up to.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So nobody balks that 280 homes on 2000 sq meters?
    Maybe KO meant 2000 sq miles? Nope, that would be out in the sticks, when I was a kid.
    
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    November 16, 2022 4:18pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

NZTA needs to provide evidence that it’s speed that drives the road toll. The sole example provided (before/ after speed limit changes on SH6) doesn’t do that.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/waka-kotahi-plan-to-reduce-speed-limits-on-some-highways-will-save-lives-automobile-association.html
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November 16, 2022 8:04am
- Cinematic
  
  The government and government departments have gone from obfuscation to orchestrated misrepresentation in a few short years.
  
  You’re right, the data put forward runs counter to their argument.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour doing what Labour does. Fixing things.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:54am
- Simon
  
  “NZTA needs to provide evidence”
  
  Lol – Its their job to keep everyone safe. Many now demand the state keep them safe. There are many frighten cattle out there. Zero covid has a lot to answer for.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The National transport spokesperson Simeon Brown issued a press release saying he was opposed to the lower speed limits.
  
  His Facebook page has now attracted many comments asking “Will you immediately reverse these changes to speee limits when you win government?” He has not replied. 🙄
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:49am
  - septic skeptic
    
    No wonder many people doubt Nationals intent to make meaningful changes.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If National say anything that makes sense, Labour will pounce on it and claim it is their idea. It is difficult for National.
      
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      November 16, 2022 9:57am
      - MCōs
        
        National’s contribution to any discussion right now revolves around criticizing the status quo and deviation from the status quo.
        Yesterday’s announcements about changes to the RMA being the latest example.
        Don’t like the RMA, a Frankenstein they created.
        Don’t want anyone else to change it.
        
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        November 16, 2022 10:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        National didn’t create the RMA.
        
        The legislation was well in train by 1989..when Labour introduced the Resource Management Bill into Parliament.
        
        National’s mistake was to continue with the Bill in pretty much its original format.
        
        https://www.environmentguide.org.nz/overview/
        
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        November 16, 2022 12:22pm
      - MCōs
        
        So they passed the Bill?
        They didn’t need to. Plenty of Bills lapse at the change of government.
        
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        November 16, 2022 3:25pm
- David Garrett
  
  Nevermind: All the evidence points to the contrary: a few summers ago they announced that the usual 4kmh (or whatever it is) tolerance would not apply during the holiday period “to make the roads safer this summer”
  
  That year the road toll went up not down. OK, one swallow does not a summer make, but there is other evidence that speed is only one of the drivers, including inattention, intoxication, stupid driving, (particularly dangerous overtaking), bad roads….any number of factors
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:01am
  - kevn
    
    @DG… Potholes = road hazards of the highest order. Cars swerving either way dodging potholes.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:10am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In its propaganda piece supporting lower speed limits, TVNZ news played a clip of the van that collided with a truck near Picton a while back. Killed about 7 people. The driver fell asleep and crossed the centre line. Straight into the truck. Do they think the outcome would have been different if the van had been doing 80 kmh?
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:45am
    - David Garrett
      
      Bene: Exactly…it would be interesting to know what percentage of road crashes were primarily attributed to excessive speed. But then that would depend on who was doing the classifying.
      
      The police probably think 60% are down to alcohol, and the rest, or most of the rest, are down to excessive speed.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:42am
      - rockape
        
        Speed limits don’t reduce accidents. They may reduce the damage those accidents cause. However impaired and just plain bad driving is the root cause.
        
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        November 16, 2022 11:45am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “it would be interesting to know what percentage of road crashes were primarily attributed to excessive speed. ”
        
        IIRC excessive speed is the primary or only cause in about 15 percent of fatal crashes, e.g. someone who goes into a 60 kmh bend on the highway at 100 kmh and runs off the road into a tree.
        
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        November 16, 2022 5:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Genter.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/394542/road-to-zero-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-government-s-new-safety-strategy
    
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    November 16, 2022 10:01am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      There is no way I can stomach reading that. The woman does not even own a car. She hates cars and those who drive them. She called people like me who like driving “Nazis”.
      
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      November 16, 2022 11:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She is a crazy American commie.
        
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        November 16, 2022 12:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        St James (give me a ticket for an airplane, ain’t got time to a fast train) does not drive.
        Wonder if cannabis Chloe drives, or has a Govt BMW?
        
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        November 16, 2022 4:28pm
    - Nickc2
      
      On Ya Bike Genter!!
      
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      November 16, 2022 12:13pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    The key factor you missed out DG is the straight forward one that a large number of drivers these days simply don’t have the ability to handle a lethal machine under less than “perfect” conditions. Should be compulsory to do part of your driving test on a gravel road. 🙂
    
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    November 16, 2022 10:08am
    - David Garrett
      
      70: Indeed…and I am only half joking when I say women should need a special licence to drive a large 4WD…watch one trying to park in a supermarket carpark…the look of terror being in such a big machine way up off the ground; the several attempts that are usually needed to get into the parking space.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:53am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Karen status for a shopping cart….
        
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        November 16, 2022 11:45am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I’m more worried about the drugged and insane and the aggressive drivers. The fatigued drivers. These are the ones killing themselves and other people. Add them to in many cases substandard roads, and they kill themselves and others.
      
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      November 16, 2022 11:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And in an empty paddock. Give it the jandal.
      
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      November 17, 2022 8:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    DG – I contend that one of the biggest problems with that zero flexibility policy on speed limits is it causes accidents. People are constantly checking their speedo instead of concentrating on what is happening in front of their noses.
    
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    November 16, 2022 10:39am
    - David Garrett
      
      Clan: Very slow drivers are also a major hazard; who hasn’t seen some stupid overtaking move by someone who has been stuck behind someone doing 75 ks on the open road?
      
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      November 16, 2022 11:00am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It was the last Christmas I lived in Wellington. I got a speed camera ticket for going 85 kmh down ngauranga Gorge on Christmas day.
    
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    November 16, 2022 11:53am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Going to be 60 kmph soon if Labour have their way
      
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      November 16, 2022 8:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “NZTA needs to provide evidence that it’s speed that drives the road toll”
  
  I suggest what’s needed is a acceptance that utility always comes bundled with risk. By reducing the supposed risk, utility is also reduced.
  
  Where is the system-wide cost-benefit analysis?
  
  The answer, of course, is that there isn’t any.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:59am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Ballpark calculations: Average kiwi spends about 100 hours a year driving. Average speed maybe 70km/hr, drop that speed by 1km/hr and increase time on road by 1.5 hours * 5 million = perhaps 7million hours. Humans lifetime is about 400000 hours awake, so 1 km/hr speed drop is wasting about 20 human lifetimes, and is likely not saving that many road deaths.
    
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    November 16, 2022 12:24pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The AA took the government’s shilling and became its useless shill long ago. It exists to serve those who shouldn’t be allowed out without their nurse.
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:33am
NeverMindTheBollocks

E-bike batteries have caused 200 fires in New York. The dang thangs just gown up in flames. Yikes!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/14/new-york-e-bike-batteries-fires-delivery-workers
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November 16, 2022 8:05am
- All_on_Red
  
  Cheap batteries made in China overheating when over charged.
  Given Chinese domination of battery production it’s a problem which is only going to get worse
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:52am
  - Lance
    
    More to the point, shit Battery Management Systems (BMS, the smarts that manage charge and discharge) and poorly constructed cells. Mostly shit BMS’s
    That being said, Lithium Ion cells are volatile little buggers, any split, rupture or exposure to oxygen and they burn at 500 degC within 1 second and will not stop until the lithium is used up.
    There are MUCH safer Lithium cells but they are twice the size for the same power.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not stop burning until the lithium is used up.
      Does Greta know about this pollution?
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:04am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Here’s a job for Andrew Little from Nov 2023. Unionise the monkeys!

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/11/peta-accuses-hellofresh-s-suppliers-of-using-monkey-labour-to-get-coconut-milk-in-thailand.html
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November 16, 2022 8:05am
- Ehlana
  
  Aren’t PETA the people who thought men who eat meat should be banned from having sex?
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The PETA people are quite mad – seriously. Mad!
    
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    November 16, 2022 10:06am
Morry45

Can anyone tell me….why does this Government want to stop Farming? And want to stop Tourism? And to curb immigration? And…at the drop of a hat re-instate Covid restrictions.

If they are actually successful, what is the end game that they see? As all I can see is ruin for us.

Can anyone enlighten me?
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November 16, 2022 8:06am
- Cinematic
  
  The goal is equality of outcome. A communist/socialist fairytale with global warming as the excuse. To see the future take a glimpse at Venezuela news.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:29am
- Blog-aholic
  
  See Nukuleka’s post below.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:34am
- Simon
  
  They demand equality for everyone, but on an international level.
  
  NZ must become Ethiopia.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  @Morry.
  Labour and the watermelons simply hate capitalism.
  That is why they hate farmers.
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:08am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Able to work from home over the Christmas/New Year period?

This could be a bit of you….

https://seek.co.nz/job/59136824
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November 16, 2022 8:11am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… So, the programme is still with us.
  Appears the successful applicants will have access to all sorts of personal data. Police clearance would seem sensible.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thank goodness I kept ‘My Vaccine Pass’.
    
    You still got yours Kev?
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:09am
    - kevn
      
      @Maggie… Yes, in spite of not being fizz’d, nova’d, or astra’d. Along with my (just asked for it) mask exemption. Was worth it just to gaze at the glaring others. Back then. It has become a pitying gaze back at them these days.
      
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      November 16, 2022 9:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        True. Those still wearing masks when you are not, just glare at you and act like you have leprosy or something.
        
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        November 16, 2022 10:31am
Nukuleka

Could someone explain to me why the attendees at the East Asia Summit in Cambodia- which involves the leaders of the 10 South East Asia countries plus the leaders of 8 nations with close ties to the region- also included Klaus Shwab of the World Economic Forum? Mr Schwab, adorned in the official Cambodian shirts presented to all the leaders in attendance, appears to have been a central figure in the negotiations, including discussion with our own PM. Why?
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November 16, 2022 8:15am
- alloytoo
  
  And more importantly where was his hairless cat.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:24am
- kevn
  
  @Nuku… Because Herr schwab is the puppet master.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:32am
- Nickc2
  
  He was there as Cindy’s Support Person.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:09am
- MCōs
  
  Forget about him.
  Why is it left to our PM to raise the question of the atrocities going on in Myanmar? One of the nastiest regimes in a world right there in the region and nobody wants to talk about it.
  Maybe because they have business there and the generals provide labour marginally above no cost?
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:40am
  - MCōs
    
    Myanmar military attacking its own people today https://twitter.com/maywongcna/status/1592736245406666752?s=61&t=janmWGFSWIYwG6ohhux1BQ
    
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    November 16, 2022 7:26pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Personally invited by the Chairman of the meetings. Cambodian Prime Minister.
  
  Of course omitted from many reports. Jolly Joe Biden popped by to waffle on for his regulation 7 and half minutes.
  
  Maybe that was why our Princess was there?
  Rub shoulders with Joe and let him sniff her hair 🙂
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:12pm
Matt Long

National’s support barely above the 20s in Roy Morgan must have some in 5he party questioning the effectiveness of their leadership.
How does this compare with 2nd term of Labour in the 80s?
One difference is that the public opposition to government has been muted, Ardern may be afraid to go out in public but I don’t think it compares to the open hatred shown the Lange that resulted in him throwing in the towel.
I don’t recall but imagine the media weren’t as partisan in the 80s.
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November 16, 2022 8:15am
- G152
  
  Roy Morgan does as they are told
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:18am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I doubt it. The Roy Morgan organisation has been doing polling and marker research in Australia and more recently New Zealand for more than eighty years. I somehow doubt if they would be intimidated by a tinpot New Zealand regime, given the robust nature of Australian politics.
    
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    November 16, 2022 8:26am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Thing that made me querulous was why the release was so late this month. Conflict with Newhub/Reid release? or more interested in say Vic State elections which was just getting under way? or …….?? Their Oct 21 release for NZ was on 1 November 2021.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:33am
- Cinematic
  
  I’d say National are very comfortable with how the polls are trending. How much better do they need to poll to satisfy your pre-election needs Matt?
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    Considering the quality of the government they should be polling more than 40 at present, all they need is another JLR and we get a ethno fascist state where the Greens have 20 MPs.
    How can anyone regard static or significant ly falling polling around 30% in any poll series as satisfactory?
    My only hope for them is they’re keeping their powder dry for next year.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:57am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Just got back from 3 weeks across the ditch in Vic/SA catching up with friends ( mostly Liberal leaners) etc. The Aussies generally still think we were “so lucky” to have Cindy in charge and quite shocked when told about things like 3 (5) Waters, the motel emergency accommodation/poverty facts, etc, etc…. The MSM here has (and is still doing) such a grand job as Govt mouthpiece hacks that I’m not really surprised that polls show such results as the factual realities are generally being suppressed in the MSM arena which is what people see.
      
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      November 16, 2022 10:57am
- JJ56
  
  I guess this tells them to keep her out of the country and let Robbo run things.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:30am
Gravelroad

Who saw the Auckland jewellery store guy last night on 7 Sharp talking about the robbery and subsequent community reaction?
Wow- what a performer.
He could easily out communicate our Propagandist in Chief.
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November 16, 2022 8:19am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The emotion he showed was genuine too. A lifetime in the jewellery trade, a year spent accumulating stock for the Christmas period, and he got completely cleared out in a couple of minutes. It would be enough to reduce most of us to tears.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:41am
kiwikidsnz

This is why they call themselves “academics”:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300739619/climate-change-a-manifestation-of-colonisation-researcher-says
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November 16, 2022 8:20am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He goes by the name of Rhys Jones
  
  Good Welsh name boyo!!!
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:36am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It’ll be all because of the capitalism values which are the manifestation of colonisation that enables Dr Rhys Jones to still in his stylish western cloting wearing his stylish Apple watch and a warm modern capitalist, colonised western building.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:38am
- Gravelroad
  
  Will be interesting, then, to see what impact today’s “colonisers” will have on climate change.
  More than 40,000 (illegal) immigrants have crossed the English Channel in boats so far this year and set themselves up in the UK.
  More than 18,000 are living in hotels at the expense of the taxpayer.
  The vast majority of them will be indigenous to other countries.
  So, according to the writer of article above, let’s hope they use their best practice knowledge and experience of land, air and water management to solve climate change damage in the UK.
  Ok?
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:49am
  - kevn
    
    @Gravel… Most from Albania strangely enough.
    
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    November 16, 2022 9:21am
- Simon
  
  Useful idiots of hyper global capital.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:52am
- David Garrett
  
  I can’t remember who said it (Bertrand Russell maybe?)
  
  “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them”
  
  The idea that climate change and colonization are linked is surely one such idea?
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:21am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Orwell. He said it while observing intellectuals like Russell supporting the communists.
    
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    November 16, 2022 10:19am
- All_on_Red
  
  Just another Grifter being dramatic to get more money
  Modernity is the result of Colonisation
  Be grateful for all the benefits it brought you
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:57am
- OlderChas
  
  I often wonder if these guys are serious. or if they are – seriously- just taking the piss and laughing over their chardonays at the reactions?
  
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  November 16, 2022 12:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Minister of Police and the Police Commissioner should resign.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/15/major-deficiencies-in-how-police-respond-to-fraud-ipca/

If the cops do not know what a crime is or can’t be bothered investigating cases of criminal fraud, then it is time for an overhaul of the leadership.
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November 16, 2022 8:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But Hipkins said they are doing a wonderful job.
  So there!
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:32am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Interesting to hear Grant Robertson critical of the Police yesterday for the slow pace of rolling out the retailer protection package. By extension, he threw the Minister of Police under the bus.
  
  Is Robertson expecting an election for the Labour leadership, and was he trying to neutralise a possible rival?
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:43am
I remember when

The world population has reached 8 (or about eight) billion people.
An addition of 1 billion in just the last twelve years.
Of course that is not the cause, or possible cause, of any global warming.
It is hard enough to get everyone to accept that they should reduce their CO2.
Heaven forbid that we suggest that the world reduce population growth.
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November 16, 2022 8:42am
- cmm
  
  There have been plenty calls for population reduction and it is largely happening.
  
  Other than Africa, most places in the world have a falling population with numbers well below replacement.
  
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  November 16, 2022 8:48am
  - I remember when
    
    Co2 increase since 2010 – 6%.
    Population increase – 14%.
    
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    November 16, 2022 10:07am
Rusty

Ok I’m all against this vile hate speech law but can someone remind me what the current law is on this issue?

If someone was to publicly insult another individual, race, or religion etc, in a way that was deemed offensive can they be prosecuted by the law already?

Example: I think all ginger haired people are evil.

btw- I don’t mean that!
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November 16, 2022 8:55am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis has been a REA for more than ten years.
Debs was telling us you can disregard talk of a major fall in house prices. Apparently demand is still very strong in the area she operates. Currently, her office has dozens of qualified buyers looking for homes in the 10 – 20 million dollar price range, but very little to show them.

So much for CoreLogic’s prediction of a 15% decline. LOL!!
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November 16, 2022 8:55am
- Colville
  
  Wellington is already down 25% on 18 months ago.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:58am
Tony Stuart

Who knew that Dr Shane Reti possessed such an ability to fire of zingers, with Andrew Little being the victim (watch to the end of the video):

https://twitter.com/harrypeterson_/status/1592378162473992192

I daresay the beleaguered Minister of Health might have been looking for some burn cream after that one; ouch!
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November 16, 2022 8:58am
- septic skeptic
  
  Classic! 🤣🤣🤣
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:16am
- kevn
  
  @Tony… do-little. Ask ANY nurse.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:26am
- My
  
  Dr Reti has always been on the top of his game with the numbers. His title at Harvard was ‘ Professor at the Division of Clinical Informatics’
  Now to be honest, I’m not 100% sure about what that even means. I guess crunching computers and numbers to make better health outcomes.
  Sounds a lot more relevant to the Health Ministry than Andrew Little’s National Secretary to the Engineers Union.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was great. Angry Andy.
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:51am
Raphael

two Russian rockets have killed people in Poland.

Poland is a Nato member.

Is someone trying to start WW3?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/crisis-situation-two-dead-after-russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-member-poland-reports/ar-AA1495wS?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5386e98614dc4af49c572cb779dc86e3
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November 16, 2022 9:04am
- David Garrett
  
  Raphael: Either that, or Putin is testing to see whether the NATO charter means what it says
  
  If it does, it would seem WW III is imminent.
  
  I hope Nevil Shute’s novel “On the beach” was just fiction and not an accurate prediction of the possible future for us “downunder” after a nuclear exchange in the Northern hemisphere
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:10am
- JJ56
  
  The fact that the Russians are saying it wasn’t them suggests it wasn’t accidental.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:32am
  - kowtow
    
    The Russians will say anything.
    
    btw they are so shit at everything and their artillery / missiles so crap one could expect their stuff to land anywhere.
    
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    November 16, 2022 11:20am
    - Ghost
      
      Really, so shit? They’re successfully hitting their military and energy targets. I wouldn’t want to go up against Russia, we should of kept neutral.
      
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      November 16, 2022 11:22am
      - I remember when
        
        Neutrality:
        Isn’t it great that any attack on New Zealand is unlikely when we live so far from most dangers.
        
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        November 16, 2022 11:37am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep , they’re so shit they can’t even maintain proper domination of the east bank of the Dnieper that they have retreated to .
        The Ukrainians are keeping the Ivans off foot there with their very accurate artillery , missiles and they may have to give up control of that bank too.
        
        The Ivans couldn’t sieze any of their initial targets in the first invasion in the north , redeployed to the south and east and fucked up there too.
        
        Early days , anything could happen , but yes they’re shit .
        
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        November 16, 2022 12:52pm
      - Ghost
        
        Seems like they are doing what their new commander said they would when he took over. Russia are fighting nato and the USA. They left an area that was not defensible and in the rain season where everything will bog down until the winter comes
        
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        November 16, 2022 1:00pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Putin has made a major error in giving NATO the justification to support Ukraine.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Tony – NATO have been fully supporting Ukraine since the beginning. In fact as the US is the head of NATO, its a fair comment to say that they are responsible for the whole shit show.
    
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    November 17, 2022 6:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Astonishing that after we all were subjected to 3 years of media lies and propaganda during covid that so many normally intelligent people didn’t take a moment to ask some pretty obvious questions about this incident. Like, on what possible planet would it benefit Russia to fire missiles at some random farm in Poland?
  If we get incinerated in a nuclear holocaust it will be because of people like this. Well meaning, but with the inability to think calmly and rationally. A bit like during covid really.
  
  Pavlov and Milgram have had their experiments validated by some of the comments here. It’s a worry.
  
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  November 17, 2022 6:01am
Maggie Pie

There’s lots of tweets this morning saying Russia is fucked.
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November 16, 2022 9:05am
- Ghost
  
  S-300, which Ukraine use as well. Must get some more popcorn.
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    It’s been confirmed it was a Ukrainian version of the S300
    
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    November 16, 2022 11:11am
    - Lance
      
      Any proof of that?
      
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      November 16, 2022 12:30pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The covid “fact checkers” will be along any minute now. //
        
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        November 17, 2022 5:50am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Well aren’t we all lucky that kowtow and Tony Stuart don’t have their fingers on the nuclear button!
      
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      November 17, 2022 6:06am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Russia won’t be using S 300s. It’s defunct technology in the modern era.
    
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    November 17, 2022 6:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

Brooke van Velden’s opinion piece of Hate laws.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brooke-van-velden-women-life-freedom/6GLRGBGWVZFA7MLATXJ7YLPKFI/
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November 16, 2022 9:23am
kevn

@Maggie… hmm, I must check in on Alexander Mercouris youtube update.
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November 16, 2022 9:24am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons it’s a False Flag…look over there, not here!
  Don’t want people talking about the election result or FTX money laundering scam. Right on time. NEVER FAILS 😀 😀 😀
  
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  November 16, 2022 9:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Refer How the Collapse of Sam Bankman-Fried’s FTX Connects to Ukraine, Covid Mandates, the WEF and Dodgy Democratic Party Election Funding.
    
    Lift the lid on this and it’s a dodgy, dodgy plus. The regulator being a former Clinton campaign manager, SBF’s self-coded backdoors to extract funds without triggering audit red flags, and more.
    
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    November 16, 2022 1:02pm
Simon

Check out the incoming Xero CEO. Jeepers. Better sell those shares.
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November 16, 2022 9:25am
Raphael

Been listening to the victim impact statements in the Darryl Brooks* sentencing this morning.

It is absolutely heartbreaking.

*the scum who drove his SUV through a Santa Parade last year killing 6 and seriously injuring another 70 or so. He represented himself and tried using a Sovereign Citizen defence. He was found guilty on all counts.
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November 16, 2022 9:30am
cas

Is Tuku Morgan the most powerful person in NZ at the moment?
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November 16, 2022 9:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He thinks he is.
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:54am
- All_on_Red
  
  He probably has the best Underpants
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

Background to three Tribes that are becoming power brokers in NZ’s economy.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-maori-economy-is-booming-and-will-be-worth-100-billion-by-2030/L73MCPZMUFGRVEXWQTXL7XC62Q/
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November 16, 2022 9:38am
- crikey
  
  What would it be worth if they paid tax (i.e. if the taxpayer wasn’t subsidising them)?
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Maori are registering their enterprises as charities to avoid paying company tax.
    
    The tribes followed the lead of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which has long run its Sanatarium good products business as a charity.
    
    It’s time for tax exemption for charities to end. What are the true charities making profits any way? That’s not their purpose.
    
    Tribes could use the company tax dividend imputation system to avoid double taxing of tribal members. That’s what non-Maori companies do.
    
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    November 16, 2022 11:12am
    - Nickc2
      
      With that amount of Tax-Free money sloshing around, it’s time the Maori Charities started looking after their own affiliated Tribal Members such as building accommodations for them and looking after them financially eh?
      
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      November 16, 2022 11:32am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Why don’t owners of “Maori land” have to pay local body rates?
      Answers on the back of an envelope please.
      
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      November 16, 2022 11:34am
103PapPap

Travelled on AirNZ for the first time in a couple of years – the current safety video is nauseating – half in Maori and talking about this great canoe in the sky.
I think any reaonable person would agree the core safety message was drowned in Maori ‘wonderfulness’.
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November 16, 2022 9:38am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Travelled on Air NZ a couple of weeks ago for the first time in about 5 years.
  Never saw a safety video (probably wasn’t paying attention), but the worst thing about the experience was taking an hour in the queue at Wgtn airport to reach the security check, then the incompetent fools made my wife (in her 70s and with a walking stick) sit down on the floor and take her shoes off.
  If I’d been a bit more forthright in my abuse of the power-crazy little man I would probably have been banned from the flight.
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You may have been banned being more forthright, but you will have had much pleasure from dropping the little prick.
    
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    November 16, 2022 11:00am
- septic skeptic
  
  Their safety videos have bee jumping the shark since about the time we hosted RWC. Most are awful, embarrassing excuses for some staff and minor or has been celebs to strut about on location. Any safety message is lost, so God help those of us who don’t know how to work a seat belt!
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:53am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  LOL! Monday arvo’s MEL/AKL (running ~ 1 1/2 hrs late) was a hoot – if you hadn’t booked the “Works”. 🙂 Tea was a “pork” pie (and a fizzy drink because the wine offering was so lousy apparently) – much grumbling from those around us. Shows what a shopkeeper can do to what was once the world’s best airline.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:36am
- krazykiwi
  
  That video is nauseating virtue signaling sloppily disguised as a safety briefing.
  
  AirNZ have done some genuinely good safety vids. This is not one if them.
  
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  November 16, 2022 5:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Maori Party in the news..

1.
https://www.teaomaori.news/maori-party-kingmakers-nats-slump-political-poll

2.
https://www.teaomaori.news/nz-puppets-usa-rawiri-waititi
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November 16, 2022 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Item 1. That is what needs to be abandoned. Having seats based on race is racist.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:05am
Diogenes

Following last weekend’s Rugby matches, several commentators, including Sir Graham Henry, opined that something needed to be done about the rolling mauls, which have almost become a blight on the game. I would like to put forward some thoughts.
Firstly, the rolling maul is an anachronism which actually breaks a key rule of Rugby: that is, you may not obstruct players from tackling a person carrying the ball. So how come in a maul the ball carrier can be shielded by as many players as you wish? This is a travesty.
My first suggestion would be that the rolling maul should be outlawed, full stop. There is no justification for it, and it is the antithesis of the running play that marks an exhilarating game.
If the maul is retained, then the ball carrier should be at the front, not the rear, as is the case in every other phase of the game. Because this would make it much easier for the opposing team to strip the ball or hold up the player (thereby forcing a turnover), the maul would rapidly fall out of favour anyway.
And lastly, but least preferably, I can see no reason why an opposing team should not be permitted to collapse the maul.
While I’m on the subject of anachronisms, the same thinking should be applied to rucks, which are becoming a nightmare with the increasing frequency of serious injuries. A major tenet of Rugby is that you are not permitted to tackle a player without the ball, yet this is broken all the time in a ruck. Players hurl themselves into opponents who are off the ball, and who frequently have no means to protect themselves. This must surely be outlawed.
Finally, scrum feeds. I was a provincial representative hooker almost too many years ago to recall. In those days, the ball had to be fed straight into the scrum, and the hooker was not allowed to strike until the ball touched the ground. (I was penalised once for striking too early, nearly costing my team a crucial match.) Now the ball is fed almost directly to the second row — goodness knows what the role of the hooker is these days. (Maybe that’s why he now throws into the lineout, to give him something to do!) We’re almost at the point of rugby league scrums. In my opinion, we should make scrums truly contestable again, something which most rules of the game should encourage. Zut alors, we might get some entertainment back!
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November 16, 2022 10:14am
- 103PapPap
  
  Agree totally with rolling mauls. Also ‘cleanouts’ – these are really tackling people without the ball.
  If scrum feeds don’t have to be straight, why aren’t lineout feeds also?
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Out of the maul, obstructing someone from tackling the ball carrier is called ‘shepherding.’
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:08am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree! No doubt you are aware that if England and/or South Africa are being beaten, a rule change is imminent.
  Remember when Line-Out lifting was verboten and when Rucking was the thing, the IRB changed to rules to suit SA and England.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/character-not-money-is-the-solution-for-maori/
Here is a Maori politician who is a huge contributor to the mess. Her, and many like her, the Maori elite, the Treaty Twisters, are carnage creators.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Debbie-Ngarewa-Packer-Its-time-to-break-up-the-old-boys-network-and-give-land-back-NZ-Herald.pdf
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/The-Maori-agenda-for-NZ.-An-introduction.pdf
(14 pages)
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November 16, 2022 10:18am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Everytime Packer writes and article it is filled with contempt of her own heritage.
  
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  November 16, 2022 10:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    From the google machine:
    Debbie Anne Ngarewa-Packer is a New Zealand politician, iwi leader and part-time clown. She is a Member of Parliament and co-clownleader of Te Pāti Māori alongside Rawiri Waititi, and is the leader and chief executive of the Ngāti Ruanui iwi.
    
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    November 16, 2022 11:12am
Maggie Pie

Thort this worth sharing with the group 😛

If your anything like me youd have been gagging for the release of the Hunter Biden laptop report…..

https://bidenlaptopreport.marcopolousa.org

(Warning: explicit content)
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November 16, 2022 10:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will digest that this arvo.
  There is a lot going on there.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:26am
Jack5

“Hot wiring” cars by thieving teenagers is primitive compared with this.

The French, Spanish, and Latvian police have arrested 31 suspects over car thefts with fake door locking and starting software systems targeting two French car brands.

The fake system was marketed as an automotive diagnostic solution. It replaced the original software of the cars, allowing doors to be opened and ignition started without the legitimate key fob.

The target car brands haven’t been released. The big three French car makers are Peugeot, Citroen, and Renault.
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November 16, 2022 11:04am
- H. Upmann
  
  It will be Peugeot & Citreon. They have the same parent company.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:29am
krazykiwi

Wellington hospital ED receptionist to me: “Mask exemptions do not apply here”. Would not back up this assertion with evidence when asked. Anyone know if this is the case?
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November 16, 2022 11:08am
- graham
  
  Here in Auckland, it seems that most healthcare services have mask-wearing as a policy. Labtests, for example, have a big banner on their front page stating, “Our collection centres are a healthcare service. Please wear your mask when you visit.” And I know of a physiotherapy clinic with the same policy.
  
  But whether this is enshrined in law, or simply a “policy” with no actual teeth to be enforced, I couldn’t say, sorry.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:23am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Exemptions are okay in Tauranga Hospital.
    
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    November 16, 2022 11:33am
- quarterpack
  
  Well I hope you enjoyed making a stand on this issue and had a good litte tantrum and the same time. I am sure those who work in Emergency Departments have no greater emergencies to deal with than your rights
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:26am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yet they positively encourage you to stand up for your rights on their hospital posters if you don’t get greeted in te reo or they don’t say your name right, or you get the wrong coloured pillow you’re encouraged to make a complaint. But with masks your too busy for the bill of rights? But not too busy to act as the enforcers.?
    
    Husband had a private procedure recently. No masks. I don’t even have a mask anymore.
    
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    November 16, 2022 12:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    No ‘good little tantrum’.
    Just a civil conversation.
    A concept you appear to struggle with.
    
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    November 16, 2022 1:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What would happen if you just ignored him/her? Call security?
  Fine, then you call the Police. They need to honour that exemption.
  I never wore a mask on my trips to North Shore Hospital last year, and twice this year.
  Twice I was asked to, I just said NO! Nothing happened, business as usual.
  
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  November 16, 2022 11:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I wore one past security then took it off.
    No one cared.
    
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    November 16, 2022 1:36pm
- Ghost
  
  Just put a mask on. Have to wear them in the hospital, gp, and the vet here. I’m unvaccinated, I have no problem putting one of their masks on if it is their procedure, means I get seen
  
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  November 16, 2022 1:41pm
Don Beckett

See Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas has invoked the clauses in the US Constitution regarding Invasion to take measures to protect the border, & co-operate with border states to do the same.

Biden will be lost for words 😆

https://the-american-catholic.com/2022/11/15/invasion-2/
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November 16, 2022 11:32am
Maggie Pie

I see Jacinda is still milking the Black Ferns for all it’s worth. LOL!!

Personally, I thort the final was unfair with 15 playing 14 the whole game. Just saying.
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November 16, 2022 11:49am
- MCōs
  
  The English women were one down because she was sent off for foul play.
  She knocked Portia Woodman out with a terrible tackle.
  https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/kiwi-star-knocked-out-as-winger-cops-red-20221112-p5bxpw.html
  Woodman is the top try scorer in the World Cup.
  
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  November 16, 2022 3:41pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Would never happen in a game of doubles Cossie.
    
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    November 16, 2022 3:59pm
    - MCōs
      
      I presume you’re not referring to bridge?
      
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      November 16, 2022 7:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my FB:
Wise Italian Grandfather
Why Italian Fathers and Grandfathers pass their handguns down
through the family……………..
An old Italian man is dying. He calls his grandson to his
bedside, Guido, I wan’ you lissina me. I wan’ you to take-a
my chrome plated .38 revolver so you will always remember me.”
“But grandpa, I really don’t like guns.. How about you leave
me your Rolex watch instead?”
“You lissina me, boy. Somma day you gonna be runna da
business, you gonna have a beautiful wife, lotsa money, a
big-a home and maybe a couple-a bambinos. ”
“Somma day you gonna come-a home and maybe finda you wife inna
bed with anudder man.
“Whatta you gonna do then? Pointa to you watch and say,
‘time’s up’ “?
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November 16, 2022 11:49am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Toucan Holdings, one of the largest solar energy companies in England, has been placed in administration by its principal debtor, Thurrock Council. It owed more than half a billion pounds sterling.

If you need a reason why Councils should not have general competence, let me offer you Exhibit A.

One small ray of sunshine for integrity in politics: the Council Leader has resigned.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Solar-Energy/Another-UK-Solar-Company-Goes-Bust.html
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November 16, 2022 12:19pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This is a continuation of the Green scam, one whereby private wealth, taxed from the little people is siphoned off by the already wealthy. It is theft in eco clothing.
  
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  November 16, 2022 12:25pm
krazykiwi

Here is Trudeau getting, um, ‘feedback’ from some of his fellow Canadians.
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November 16, 2022 12:23pm
Maggie Pie

Only in Amerika?

Someone needs to tell the Blonde that mullets & lipstik are a real turn-off 😛

https://twitter.com/TimcastNews/STATUS/1592250830232883200
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November 16, 2022 1:09pm
- Ghost
  
  Oh, so if you are a woman with a sign females lives matter you are nazi scum.
  
  Sigh, almost time to stop the world and get off I think
  
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  November 16, 2022 1:21pm
Ghost

Only four years in jail, thanks judge you……. Oh well thanks to the brave girl that stood up and told her mum, what a hero

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/preschool-owner-sexually-abused-children-on-playdates-filmed-them-with-spy-pen/ZECB43U2UBDGTH5NCVELF6YLQI/

A former preschool owner who sexually abused and filmed multiple children during playdates at his home has been jailed – all thanks to the actions of one brave girl.

The man, who has permanent name suppression to protect the identities of his many victims, was caught after 10 years of offending when his daughter’s best friend, 10, discovered him recording her in the shower.
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November 16, 2022 1:32pm
Jack5

If you’re Woke you’re welcome at Radio NZ ….

Kathryn Ryan interviews an Auckland University history lecturer, Felicity Barnes, who’s looking at New Zealand, Australian, and Canadian exporters emphasising their countries’ “Briishness” in the 1930’s marketing of exports to the United Kingdom.

To most us that would seem a normal marketing strategy.

“Part of it I think you can explain as pragmatic marketing, expediency … let’s appeal to the British nature of their products,” Barnes said in the interveiw

But it was not just a case of pragmatism, she said. “There’s actually something else going on there, whereby not only by asserting that British sense we’re creating it as well. They’re not just playing on it. They’re actually building a sense of Britishness and a very specific sort as well.”

Ryan:”It’s an act of colonisation is what you are saying.”

Barnes: “Exactly.”

Barnes says other parts of the British empire – Africa, the Caribbean, India – didn’t mobilise that “British idea” to the same extent.

How amazing is that?

Radio NZ in promoting the interview says Barnes is from “Waipapa Taumata Rau, the University of Auckland.”
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November 16, 2022 1:55pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Waipapa Taumata Rau”
  
  How utterly insane.
  
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  November 16, 2022 3:30pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  And the Labour government from 1935 was right into that Britishness.
  
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  November 16, 2022 6:16pm
Ghost

A list of 30 health jobs should immediately be given a fast track to residency, according to Ministry of Health advice leaked to the ACT Party.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/health-advice-urging-quick-action-on-immigration-leaked-to-act.html
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November 16, 2022 2:05pm
Maggie Pie

And I see FB has reminded fact-checkers that The Donald is off limits if he announces he’s running for President again.
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November 16, 2022 2:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not affecting me. I posted it.
  
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  November 17, 2022 8:55am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

anyone else notice that all of a sudden, every news bulletin has sound bites of jacinda???? I’ve noticed as I mute everytime she comes on the Radio. hadn’t done that as much for ages. must be an election coming or less favorable polls?
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November 16, 2022 2:28pm
Benedict Yu

In a sane world with a sane PM and a market economy:

Reporter: “PM, should the Black Ferns be paid the same as the All Blacks?”

PM: “New Zealand Rugby is a commercial entity. The terms of its contracts with players are none of my business.”
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November 16, 2022 3:28pm
Ghost

It appears the missile was a Ukraine 5V55K

US President Joe Biden has told reporters it is “unlikely” the missile that killed two people in eastern Poland was fired from Russia.

“There is preliminary information that contests that,” Biden said when asked if the missile had been fired from Russia. “It is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we’ll see.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300739883/biden-says-its-unlikely-missile-fired-into-poland-came-from-russia
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November 16, 2022 3:35pm
- Ghost
  
  Initial findings suggest missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile – US officials
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-initial-findings-suggest-missile-that-hit-poland-was-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-at-incoming-russian-missile-us-officials/LMLHNIZ7F5H2DFMRPOEN2AHASQ/
  
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  November 16, 2022 6:32pm
Ghost

Donald Trump announces another presidential bid amid Republican party uncertainty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300739895/donald-trump-announces-another-presidential-bid-amid-republican-party-uncertainty
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November 16, 2022 3:37pm
- MCōs
  
  Where does Steve send his money?
  
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  November 16, 2022 3:44pm
  - Ghost
    
    I think he’s gone broke sending it to some multi millionaire cult leader in New Zealand, none left for the cult leader in the USA.
    
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    November 16, 2022 3:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t donate to you Ghost.
      
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      November 16, 2022 4:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        Of course you don’t, my name isn’t Julian, and I’m not some orange guy that is just as corrupt as everyone else he claims to be against
        
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        November 16, 2022 6:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mean Steve Bannon? He is flush.
    
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    November 16, 2022 4:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something before the Wellywood Govt (workers) take off for their daily craft beer shandy.
https://libertyfirst.org/prediction-donald-j-trump-wins-in-2024-ron-desantis-wins-in-2028-and-2032/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=ae&seyid=31938
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November 16, 2022 4:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Poor Nancy. No more drunkeness?
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/republicans-officially-back-house-4-030332325.html
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November 16, 2022 5:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

We know how that Russian rocker/s hit Poland. Same people that had something to do with that Nord Pipe. Uncle Joe says ‘unlikely’ He is trained well.
https://nz.yahoo.com/finance/news/poland-says-russian-made-rocket-233957586.html
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November 16, 2022 5:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Our cleaning lady (she’s Ukrainian) just txt to say the rockets came from Ukraine.
  
  Tough break for the WW111 community 😀
  
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  November 16, 2022 7:08pm
Warren

The media puppets are at it again spouting the Government’s scare tactics and saying we are in for a Covid-19 Christmas, so is this the start of a
Election Year threat of lockdowns for next winter or just Jacinda Ardern trying to get her voters back by using Covid-19 as a threat of more deaths.
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November 16, 2022 7:22pm
Ghost

Artemis 1 mission Live launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMLD0Lp0JBg
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November 16, 2022 7:42pm
Ghost

Good news, it’s a bloody kid. 18 year old male, 23 year old female

Two people charged after Christchurch dog walker stabbed repeatedly

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130494359/two-people-charged-after-christchurch-dog-walker-stabbed-repeatedly
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November 16, 2022 10:54pm

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