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Yvette

“3 Waters” – co-governance or actual governance?

What Jacinda wants you to see – if anything
What the media tells you:

“3 Waters” Regional Entities → board level “co-governance”

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What Jacinda, Nanaia Mahuta, her sister: Tipa Mahuta
and the Maori Caucus (“1st 15”) all know
but are hoping you don’t know –

Tipa Mahuta, chaiperson
“Te Puna” (spring of water) – Māori Advisory Council
so total governance
• Established
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Taumata Arowai
Water Regulator
/www.taumataarowai.govt.nz
• Established
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“3 Waters”
Four Regional Councils
• work in progress, with slight ‘entrenchment’ hiccup
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“co-governance” boards level:
Tukuroirangi Morgan for one, as
an iwi representative for Entity A
(Auckland / Northland)

■ Entrenchment against privatisation keeps the structure together and keeps Corporates out of the line of power

And the present fuss over Entrenchment perhaps allows a further diversion from the top-end arrangement of power being too closely examined.
C’est la vie
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December 3, 2022 8:01am
- JJ56
  
  Just to remind it isn’t entrenchment against privatisation, its entrenchment of the water service entities, full stop. No opportunity here for another government or private entity.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:29am
  - Ruawai
    
    Surely their plan for entrenchment is so water can never go back to local councils or out of the control of co-governance with Iwi.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is exactly it.
      
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      December 3, 2022 10:05am
    - herb1
      
      If they were genuine in their claim of preventing privatising water , they’d leave it in Council ownership, as I understand under local Government act, they can’t privatise it. It’s only an issue because Government are stealing the water from the owners.
      Also the Government have pushed the line that local bodies will retain ownership of the water. If that was true then for reasons above , that couldn’t happen.
      
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      December 3, 2022 10:56am
      - Ghost
        
        They are privatising water by taking control away from the councils and giving control to iwi.
        
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        December 3, 2022 10:57am
    - Nickc2
      
      It’s about Maori ownership of water. When Maori own it, they can lease out the infrastructure to whoever is stupid enough to lease it. That way, Maori don’t have to pay for repairs and updates to infrastructure plus they get a return from the lease arrangements and, not only but also, they can dictate how much water costs and get another return on its consumption. They can’t lose, especially when it can’t be privatised (owned by someone else). Maori will own water and its infrastructure in perpetuity.
      
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      December 3, 2022 11:38am
  - Bob
    
    Think about the objective of the second party involved in this ‘sly amendment’ ……Greens.
    This entrenchment proposal is about establishing a 60% threshold for future entrenchments; the precursor to a permanent Labour Greens government.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:14am
  - oldfella
    
    JJ56: on the subject of entrenchment…. Fran Sullivan weighs in with a hard-hitting horrid column (behind a paywall), asking important questions like who knew what, and when.
    Mahuta remains dry in splashy conflict
    Slowly, the press gallery has been unpicking what lies behind the blame-shifting over this constitutional travesty.
    Mahuta has now made it clear to journalists that the issue was discussed at a prior Labour Party caucus meeting.
    And it now appears that Ardern was present when the entrenchment clause was discussed — although she has previously said it was not necessarily something she would be aware of.
    Mahuta can hold on to that particular ministerial warrant for now.
    But it is concerning that it has taken parliamentary over-reach by Ardern’s majority Labour Government to get major legal attention on the Water Services Entities Bill.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/fran-osullivan-mahuta-remains-dry-in-splashy-conflict/M5BAYX4RC5C5PMSMUIXF6Q4KF4/
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “That’s Life”
  Well that Life is going to be changed.
  Stop Co-Governance, and stop 3 Waters.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:04am
  - Cassandra
    
    And Stop Labour, the Green Party and the Mahuta Family (New York family, that is).
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nek minut you will have to say a karakia before turning on a tap for a drink.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Probably more appropriate to offer something to the Roman goddess of plumbing .
    
    ‘Cloacina
    
    Cloacina was responsible for the smooth running of all sewer systems throughout the Roman Empire and the protected the workers who maintained it.’
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:42am
Yvette

■ Politics of Three Waters has ‘drowned out’ health needs – scientists
A group of scientists are saying the intense political debate surrounding the Three Waters legislation has “drowned out” discussions about the urgent need for safe drinking water.
The legislation was introduced after the Havelock North disaster in 2016 when 8000 people became sick, and eight died because of contaminated drinking water – out-of-date water infrastructure played a major part in the crisis.
… Water is currently controlled by local councils.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/12/02/politics-of-three-waters-has-drowned-out-health-needs-scientists/

■ Taumata Arowai is the new water services regulator for Aotearoa New Zealand. We are committed to ensuring all communities have access to safe and reliable drinking water every day. We also have an oversight role in relation to the environmental performance of drinking water, wastewater and stormwater networks.

Taumata Arowai was established following the inquiry into a 2016 outbreak of waterborne disease in Havelock North’s drinking water supply. It is the first key pou, or pillar, of the Government’s Three Waters Reform Programme.
https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz

■ Te Puna (the Māori Advisory Group) was established under the Taumata Arowai – the Water Services Regulator Act 2020 and was appointed by the Acting Minister of Local Government on 20 May 2021.
Te Puna is chaired by Tipa Mahuta .
https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz/about/our-team/maori-advisory-group/

It seems, from the media coverage, that the “group of scientists” is unaware of that Taumata Arowai was fully established last November 15, 2021, so have existed for just over one year.

Taumata Arowai, although being one of the few policies this Ardern Labour Government has actually delivered, was established with little fanfare, least it detract from the Havelock North argument for ‘3 Waters” – as this very scientists’ group proves!

Taumata Arowai is supposed to command the water purity the ecientists bemoan has been overlooked, but It is the first key pou, or pillar, of the Government’s Three Waters Reform Programme
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December 3, 2022 8:02am
- Drone
  
  The issue with the whole 3 Waters superstructure is that most of it currently as set up is a cost on the economy with no discernable benefit to the citizens of New Zealand. Like most of the efforts to build a parallel gevernance structure for everything in NZ it will add cost and no benefit.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:48am
  - Cassandra
    
    And the other issue is its racial composition, racist by nature. It is just like Rwanda used to be.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:43am
  - oldfella
    
    Drone, next time you hear a lefty screaming about the Nats or ACT wanting to privatise water – and how terrible that is – remind them that giving control of our water to iwi IS privatisation.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:53am
    - Drone
      
      It’s an interesting concept “privitisation” of core public services, and by that I mean water, power, transport (rail/bus). The public in many countries are sold the idea by governments as a way to raise money to pay for infrastructure or to retire debt which sounds laudable in the short term. However what eventuates for the majority of people is a service/asset that has to provide return/dividends for the “owners/shareholders”. History has shown that in many countries these services are cash cows for the owners/shareholders who take money out but have no real interest in the long term management of the asset/service. The cost to the public of using these services rises to continue to provide return. Had the services remained in the hands of the public service/government would the public have been better off. This is a dribbly anti privitisation rant but the way the world in evolving today maybe that would have been a better option. As people in many countries struggle with the costs of electricity, food and travel many governments are pouring money into the pockets of low income workers (WFF, fuel subsidies, school lunches) because they can’t afford the basic necessities of life. Maybe if many of these services had remained in public hands governments would have been better able to control the costs.
      
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      December 3, 2022 11:22am
      - Paulus
        
        Control of Water equals control of Electric Power as it is only water that generates the power we use.
        Give contro of the South Isand to Ngai Tahu and they control the lot, and its national price.
        
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        December 3, 2022 1:42pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The “State Owned Enterprise” model of a govt entity run at arms length “like” a normal business seemed the best model to me.
        
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        December 3, 2022 6:43pm
- Bob
  
  eight died because of contaminated drinking water ….
  due to an incompetent Council lack of supervision of maintenance activity at the well-head. A predominantly Labour sympathising Council with a lone National voice, the Mayor who only has one vote usually.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:19am
- crikey
  
  One issue with a temporary drinking water problem and we have to go down this route???
  
  3/5 waters is NOT about safety of the water. That is just the spin to ease the way for the legislation. Don’t forget it. The legislation is about asset stripping from councils for the benefit of Maori elite.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:26am
  - Dave
    
    To which one could add that 80% of NZ public drinking water supplies meet all three biological and chemical tests of water purity, and 95% + meet one or more of the three tests; as Bob @ 10.19 points out, the deaths were the result of operator error.
    
    Yet supporters of the change insist on citing the high-end (30,000+) of a very wide-ranging (so uncertain, then) estimate of potential annual illnesses from poor water quality to justify a massive, centralised, rather than a targeted solution to what is not a major problem.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:57am
    - Nickc2
      
      Stealing Ratepayer assets and giving them to Maori sure ain’t going to solve the problem, real or perceived.
      
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      December 3, 2022 12:24pm
grumpy

Anyone get the feeling we are just a testing ground for radical left policies?
https://redstate.com/joesquire/2022/12/02/ted-cruz-and-mike-lee-take-up-the-fight-against-obamacare-for-the-press-and-republicans-should-join-them-n667747
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December 3, 2022 8:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  No, New Zealand is very far from being the famed ‘social laboratory’ of the 1890-1945 period.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:30am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    milky’s back. Ok dear.
    
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    December 3, 2022 8:34am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Perhaps a sweepstake for “how long” would be entertaining Capt!
      
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      December 3, 2022 8:40am
      - kowtow
        
        Were they cancelled?
        
        Can’t say I missed them.
        
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        December 3, 2022 8:44am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Mike in all his forms down ticking yesterday
        
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        December 3, 2022 8:52am
    - Prince
      
      Another early release.
      
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      December 3, 2022 9:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Welcome back, Milky.
    
    Have you been unwell, or have you been in the slammer?🙃
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:57am
    - MCōs
      
      Not commenting on this blog hardly suggests either.
      
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      December 3, 2022 4:26pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Milky being away from here might actually have been a period of good health. Trolling isn’t a healthy occupation.
      
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      December 3, 2022 8:29pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  NZF is currently polling around 3.5%. Winston will campaign against Maorification and pick up enough votes to get over 5%. If Labour can stay around 30%/32% Greens 8%/10% Maori Party around 3% then we have the God awful prospect of a Labour/Greens/Maori/NZF Government.
  
  Winston will justify joining this evil cabal on the basis that he will stop or slow down Maorification.
  I hope I am proved wrong but alas I dont think so.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:52am
  - David Garrett
    
    lastman: As always, Winston will do whatever best suits him and his ego…and of course whoever offers him the greater number of baubles of office…always amuses me that that expression is well known because he decried “the baubles of office” as a motive for accepting office…and that is exactly HIS motive for accepting office
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:09am
    - crikey
      
      I accept and agree with what you say, DG, but being pragmatic if National/ACT need NZ First and baubles of office is what is needed to stop this Labour government then it might be necessary to swallow a dead rat – so to speak. I fervently hope it doesn’t come to that.
      
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      December 3, 2022 10:32am
      - Ghost
        
        if national need Winston would people rather that or prefer that labour have another 3 years in government. I don’t think we’d survive 3 more years of labour.
        
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        December 3, 2022 11:04am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Next poll due is Roy-Morgan in the next few days hopefully before Hamilton-West by-election next Saturday. Insiders tell me, Labour + Green toxic combo is over 52% and Nat + ACT has dropped to 42%. Game over folks.
        
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        December 3, 2022 12:54pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Sir Cullen’s Sidekick @ 1254PM
      Votebots are designed to imitate legitimate user behaviour, such as voting in an online poll by interacting with the server hosting the poll using the HTTP protocol. The bot thus emulates the behavior of a human using a web browser, but can repeat this emulated behavior many times, thus casting many votes.
      Courtesy Google
      
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      December 3, 2022 1:16pm
  - kowtow
    
    He’s using the line ;
    
    “No one gets to lie to me twice” as some sort of mantra to re engage with all those voters he has lost .
    
    Any idiots who’re considering voting for the old charlatan need to ask themselves ;
    
    How many times does Peters get to lie to us.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:15am
    - G152
      
      If his mouth is moving he’s lying
      
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      December 3, 2022 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Wynston will only do what it is that he wants.
    
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    December 3, 2022 1:43pm
    - Thought Criminal
      
      They don’t call him Winston First for nothing.
      
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      December 3, 2022 6:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The squad are the troublemakers to watch, especially the crazy AOC.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:11am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    a special kind of stupid
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:16am
Warren

Why is our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and the Police Commissioner demanding our small business owners not to use weapons against criminals target their shops.They have to have something to defend themselves with especially when we have Police Force more intent with looking after our lying, deceiving peice of crap we call our Prime Minister .
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December 3, 2022 8:04am
- Warren
  
  John Key and the ponytail incident lasted almost a year of the media hounding him about lying on what happened , Jacinda Ardern is quite different as she is a compulsive liar and does it day and day out as the saying goes, but the media just fawn over her without a word to condemn her.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:20am
  - Prince
    
    I don’t recall any lie from Key about that. Just an outgoing bloke who thought he was being amicable while out for a coffee with his wife and security team.
    But the waitress saw an opportunity and grabbed it.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:43am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Almost – the people she (waitress) worked for, ardent lefties, saw an opportunity and pushed her relentlessly to it.
      
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      December 3, 2022 10:07am
      - Bob
        
        I believe that the people she (waitress) worked for, ardent lefties lost any future trade from Sir John and his companions.
        
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        December 3, 2022 10:22am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Not only the bribed up media not condemn her, but they write puff pieces justifying every word she says. Where is Sue Bradford’s rent a crowd marching against poverdy? Where is Salvation Army’s cry baby report about poverdy in Aotearoa? All these vermins come out of their holes when a National government is in power. I remember the toxic Sue Bradford organising a rent a crowd march against a budget in which Sir Bill English raised the benefits by $25 a week. Shame on these creatures.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:58pm
- edhunter
  
  Couple of thoughts:
  Why haven’t the gangs moved in and started charging protection money?
  Are they already and just not doing a very good job?
  How hard and fast will the police come down on small business owners when one takes the law into his own hands and accidentally kills one of these little scroats while protecting his property?
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:59am
  - DeepBlue
    
    You are assuming the gang taxing isn’t already in place. Maybe those being targeted refuse to pay the tax. Of course the Police heirarchy would never admit this.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:28am
Nickc2

Yes, all the lunatic movements in the world have members ensconced here.
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December 3, 2022 8:09am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/ratepayers-unsure-of-auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-s-proposal-to-sell-auckland-international-airport-shares.html media continue the anti-brown wash. council finance & treasury were working in share sale option long before election. the work continues and council wonders why they don’t have board seats
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December 3, 2022 8:10am
- Mike H S
  
  All the financial advice was that there was no real advantage to keeping the Auckland airport shares, especially when you are deep in debt. The refusal to sell the shares (although some have been sold over the years) was because it didn’t look good to the Labour voters who don’t understand basic finances and who supported the dud mayors.
  
  Anyone with a modicum of economic sense would understand that you are going backwards holding shares that are returning 5% when you are paying 8% on your borrowings.
  
  Certainly, the economic illiterate like Len Brown and Goff would not understand this basic concept.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:31am
yossarian

I did my civic duty yesterday and voted in the Hamilton West by-election yesterday. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to state who I voted for but it involved holding my nose whilst ticking the box

I still can’t understand why Act put up a candidate, and it looks like again the Greens are out-smarting the right in that regards, and that’s saying something.
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December 3, 2022 8:12am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “….., and it looks like again the Greens are out-smarting the right in that regards,…..”
  
  I noticed that that candidate seemed to consider dissing their potential partner in government (National) was a productive activity during the Q+A candidates panel a couple of weeks ago – go figure.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:05am
- crikey
  
  The biggest problem for National is voter apathy. Polling at this stage is very low; there will be a big push this week to get people to vote.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:35am
- Jimbob
  
  Unfortunately holding your nose in voting against the government, is the only way to win the general election and wrestle this corrupt labour government from our lives.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:44am
  - crikey
    
    Jimbob: The only reason to hold your nose is to block the stench emanating from this Labour government.
    
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    December 3, 2022 4:13pm
- oldfella
  
  yossarian, what I want to know is if we’ll see a Hamilton West opinion poll before Saturday.
  If not, it will confirm to me that Labour is in big trouble and their numbers are terrible.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:56am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Thursday night @oldfella – probably both Newshub & One – gotta galvanise the True Believers into rushing to the polls on Saturday.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:36pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    H 1 today spoke said the Nats are narrowly leading the polls, that means Labour are losing, if Labour was leading the poll we would see it in the news nightly like in Northland
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:26pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  ACT is going to split National’s vote and Labour will sneak in easily. Don’t hold high hopes for Hamilton Sheeple to send a message to the gummit. David Seymour sometimes acts as if he has clay in his head instead of brain.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:59pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Sharma will take enough vote off Labour to cancel Acts damage
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:28pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Disagree. No serious party would refuse to stand a candidate in a bye election.
    
    They are all just proving what we already know. Act is a serious independent party with genuinely independent policies. The Greens are just Labour lap dogs with different coloured branding. Vote green, get Labour.
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:38pm
I remember when

Regional council homes in on Treaty:
The Komiti will decide.
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December 3, 2022 8:19am
Inandout

A worthy immigrant family that doesn’t meet Labour’s unfathomable criteria. Where in God’s name is this country heading?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300755487/heartbroken-hungarian-family-given-42-days-to-leave-the-country
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December 3, 2022 8:23am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It’s being run as a trade union protection racket and damn the economic and human destruction.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:21am
- kevn
  
  @InOut… We have Sth African friends in the same position. Immigration just keep moving the goal posts.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have a solution for them.
  Change the family surname to Sroubek. Problem gone.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:32am
  - kowtow
    
    Wrong line of business.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:07pm
- Opie
  
  This is interesting because the local mp Teresa ngobi, who is absolutely useless has put out a Facebook post claiming she is trying to help them.
  
  But when it was a local doctor struggling to get residency, she basically told him to fuck off.
  
  Don’t get me wrong, they would both be worthy additions as residents.
  
  She literally got voted in because she is a Maori with a red sign. I haven’t seen the lights on in her “office” once in 2 years. Don’t think the lights are on period
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:58am
  - Inandout
    
    Opie, I think her office got blown away during a recent hurricane, but aside from that you would be correct about the office being in darkness.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:55pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Well sheeple of Otaki deserve Teresa ngobi. Otaki is a traitor terrain in my view.
    
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    December 3, 2022 1:01pm
- Jack5
  
  The immigration system is a shambles, and the immigration criteria are weird.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:59am
Matt Long

National’s dire 2020 vote was largely a response to the factionalism and dysfunctional leadership. Todd Muller’s klutz’s coup and Jamie Lee Ross being prominent issues. The cowardance of the National caucas in not backing Bridge’s questioning of the government’s covid response being another.
So Labour’s strategists will have been taking note that public disunity is poison, they will be taking all steps to keep Jacinda in place as long as possible and avoid what happened to the Lange Doudlas government, despite her obvious ineptitude showing more and more.
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December 3, 2022 8:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I largely agree, apart from your assessment that Bridges had anything valuable to contribute to the Covid response.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:31am
  - rouppe
    
    The contribution was questioning the authoritarianism that was underway.
    
    Never, ever, should a government – particularly a socialist government – be permitted to impose such draconian measures on a population without rigorous questioning.
    
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    December 3, 2022 8:36am
  - yossarian
    
    The initial lockdown was illegal. The govt locked down an entire country with no law allowing for that.
    
    Simon offered support to amend the law to allow them to do it and what happened??? Labour attacked him for ‘politicing’ Covid!!! And the media (with the freshly minted $55 million in their back pockets) went feral.
    
    It was sickening
    
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    December 3, 2022 8:41am
    - kowtow
      
      No , Cinders is on record saying that she had a ‘phone call from someone , somewhere , overseas who told her it was really really bad .
      
      We don’t know who and we don’t know where and the fourth estate aren’t bothered .
      
      But we all know how udderly necessary and urgent it was , cos the phone call you see .
      
      There’s a really impordant story there .
      
      The phone call that saved a nation .
      
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      December 3, 2022 10:53am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The strange thing is that Covid is much worse now than when the country went into lockdown, and everyone is carrying on life as usual, just protecting the vulnerable and taking usual precautions – just like Thornley & the Plan B doctors said we should do, and everythings fine.
        And Crickets from the govt. 😆
        
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        December 3, 2022 12:28pm
      - kowtow
        
        DB
        
        Funny innit, every country had a pandemic plan . Sweden , the only place that basically stuck to theirs.
        
        Strange how the bought and paid for media and academia who’re on board this Misinformation Project thingy don’t seem interested in why we didn’t implement that plan or even examine what it entailed .
        
        No they just keep going on about division , social media , conspiracy theories etc
        
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        December 3, 2022 12:49pm
      - Ipanema69
        
        There will be a time at a future royal commission where a certain witness named Jacinda will be asked that question.
        
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        December 3, 2022 2:46pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Really Mikey? So you think the government going against the MoH’s advice not to employ vaccine mandates wasn’t worth questioning? Or the ridiculous MIQ lottery? You certainly have a low threshold for allowing totalitarian subjugation.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:14am
    - David Garrett
      
      salacious: Milky is just a sad old troll from Lower Hutt…he probably secretly agrees with half the things he downticks
      
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      December 3, 2022 9:32am
- kowtow
  
  The 2020 vote must also be seen in the context of the media created panic over the batflu.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:34am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Yes NZers scared for their lives voted for St Jacinda to save them from imminent peril. Both Covid and in the case of the rural community to save them from the Greens. Sadly, many still believe she was their saviour. When you have no God to put your faith in then you fill the vacuum with what looks like the next best thing. Meanwhile she of the forked tongue is destroying the quality of life for NZers for generations to come.
    
    Well done all you scared, gutless and spineless people. Thanks for signing us and our descendants up for a lifetime of economic subjugation.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:26am
- Scott
  
  Matt Long – we can both agree that Jacinda is a prime minister that is terrible for the country. However is she inept?
  I would suggest that evaluated according to her own goals and values she is a runaway success.
  She has amassed more power to herself than any prime minister outside of wartime. She locked down the whole country and dictated what industries could operate and which had to be shut.
  
  She has grabbed control of the media in a way which I wouldn’t have thought was possible. Even now thousands of New Zealanders sincerely believe she saved us from covid.
  
  She shut down the churches, she has told them in the conversion bill what they can pray and who they can pray for. She has shut down free speech so that there is no dissent and only one opinion allowed on almost any subject.
  
  She has stealthily pushed co governance and the water will be in Maori tribal hands for the first time since 1839. She has changed the name of the country and every department and agency now has a new Maori name.
  
  You see her goal is The People’s Socialist Republic of Aotearoa. And I have to say she is making it happen. The total transformation of our nation is happening before our eyes. The real question is, do we have the courage to stop her?
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ardern seems to have managed Covid-Free lockdowns and quelled civic protests more successfully than Communist China is doing.
    
    Probably because NZers are complacent conformists.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:14am
  - Matt Long
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/12/how_to_reconcile_what_jacinda_said.html
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:23am
  - Cassandra
    
    I doubt that she has the intelligence to achieve goals or even have them. She was catapulted into the PM job and is now at the beck and call of her Maori MPs, who are in turn directed by a cabal of Maori leaders. It is amazing that a disciplined party like Labour has degraded into this appalling mess of incompetence.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:57am
- redeye
  
  I’m not so sure. This looks like their factions are flexing their muscle already;-
  
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern attended a Labour Party caucus meeting where a last-minute entrenchment clause in the Government’s controversial Three Waters legislation was discussed, despite her saying on Monday it was “not necessarily something I would be aware of”.
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  Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta confirmed, through a spokesperson, the change to the bill was discussed with the Labour caucus – a meeting of all its MPs – in advance of the House sitting.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130623964/jacinda-ardern-attended-labour-caucus-meeting-where-controversial-three-waters-entrenchment-clause-was-discussed
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m saying the smart people in Labour want to keep her in place, what I’m hoping and praying for is that the divisions and tensions spill into the public and there are some divisive leadership wars BEFORE this election.
    Then the stupid vote will either stay home on election day or split left and right.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:28am
    - Bob
      
      Matt… what smart people?
      
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      December 3, 2022 1:35pm
    - Paulus
      
      Hope she stays to be laughed at when she gets truly beaten.
      In fact she is Labour’s greatest liability at present, and the longer she stays the greater liability she becomes.
      
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      December 3, 2022 1:51pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Was entrenchment discussed in Te Reo in the interests of diversity and that’s why Jacinda didn’t notice, comprehend?
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:30am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Matt Long – also don’t forget the traitor trio of farmers, small businesses and sheeple of Taranaki also ditched National and voted for Cindy and Labour big time.
  
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  December 3, 2022 1:02pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If you read articles involving Ardern, she appears to be preparing to pull stumps
  
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  December 3, 2022 6:30pm
Southern Raider

So labour is worried National will sell off water assets and uses that as a key talking point on why 5 waters should go ahead. Plus demonised Key when some SOE’s were partly sold off.

But it’s okay for Labour to change the rules on Kiwibank to enable future stock market listing.

Hypocrites much
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December 3, 2022 8:30am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Dutch squad are reporting ‘flu symptoms. Brazil have mentioned something similar – the air conditioning has been blamed in that case.

Curious that there’s no mention of Covid in Qatar, despite huge crowds from all corners of the world & being three years into a global pandemic.

It’s almost as if there’s a conspiracy of silence.
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December 3, 2022 8:30am
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s an Ormsby in court for murder.

Ormsby, Ormsby, Ormsby … now, where have I heard that name again?

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/heated-scenes-at-new-plymouth-high-court-after-man-pleads-guilty-to-murder-of-rei-marshall.html
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December 3, 2022 8:30am
- grumpy
  
  And that gang got $3m from the taxpayer and probably a good gig as debt collectors for the new Iwi water companies…….
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ormsby is a well known name in the Waikato.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:48am
- kowtow
  
  The media pardy were all over details of the saboteur’s family .
  
  Just goes to show they can if they want to.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:09pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hahahahaha, there is not many with that name
  
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  December 3, 2022 6:32pm
Benedict Yu

Deporting these hard working people is insane.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300755487/heartbroken-hungarian-family-given-42-days-to-leave-the-country
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December 3, 2022 8:31am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Makes me wonder if all immigrants (not just business owners) should not be required to meet specific performance targets before gaining permanent residency.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:33am
  - rouppe
    
    They came here in 2017. Just when becoming established, Jacinda put everyone into home detention. Their business would have been decimated, like everyone else’s. That they are still operating is a miracle.
    
    To judge them on 2017 criteria is madness. MBIE have to be the most incompetent department ever. They have butchered everything they’ve touched in the last 3 years at least.
    
    Welcome back, by the way. Where have you been?
    
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    December 3, 2022 8:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    Why don’t we apply a like criterion for NZ’s kids leaving school/university? Let’s give them X amount of years to prove themselves in a job(s) before they can draw unemployment benefits. Then, put a limit on the duration of the benefit, because they have already proven they are capable of earning a living.
    
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    December 3, 2022 8:45am
  - Maxx
    
    Sure. But only if we also add to that anyone who receives government support ie taxpayers money, must demonstrate that they actively contribute to society in a positive manner.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:08am
    - Ghost
      
      Anyone? Pensioners? Veterans? Orphans? Grandparents raising their grandchildren? Invalids?
      
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      December 3, 2022 9:17am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Gangs?
        
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        December 3, 2022 9:51am
      - Ghost
        
        You want to compare gangs with a veteran, pensioner, widow, orphan, invalid?
        
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        December 3, 2022 9:55am
      - Maxx
        
        I’m sure you are well aware of what my meaning is without me having to add definitions a-j with multiple sunsections. Here’s me thinking in the context of a post on a blog, giving as much detail as Labour put into the bills they’re passing was sufficient.
        
        And there’s a difference between what is support and what is an entitlement.
        
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        December 3, 2022 10:46am
      - Ghost
        
        I’m sure you could post without tarnishing everyone without such a open comment.
        
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        December 3, 2022 10:59am
  - alloytoo
    
    Mikey, every immigrant has self selected to be a go getter. Which puts them ahead of the average Labour supporter. Hence your hatred of them.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Deporting these hard working people is insane.”
  
  Yes, but so are those making the decisions.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:36am
- Clyde
  
  I agree. Compare this story to the stories surrounding Karel Sroubrek. Am I right in recalling that the PM had some influence in the latter case? In the case of some hardworking, tax-paying, law-abiding family, it seems that this Government’s policies don’t like them and are totally inflexible when circumstances change. Is there any way that we can declare the Labour Party undesirable people and require their immediate deportation to somewhere like Malawi or Albania?
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:38am
  - grumpy
    
    Yes! Perhaps if they had started a lawnmowing business things may have turned out better?
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Excellent.
      
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      December 3, 2022 10:59am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    read between the lines comrade!
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I already mentions the family should change their name to Sroubek. Problem gone.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:58am
- Jim
  
  Agree BY, I too read about the family’s courage and endeavours despite many challenges. Appears to be another immigration decision that is opposed by local public opinion. Yet another disgusting lack of compassion by the NZ gov immigration dept.
  
  To be honest they’ll be better respected by the Hungarian government led by Victor Orban.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:39am
- Its only I
  
  They should have identified as DJs and made sure they had the PMs personal Phone number…it’s worked before…..and will probably work even better closer to the election.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108183724/couple-struggling-to-remain-in-nz-disgusted-drug-dealer-karel-sroubek-was-granted-residency
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:40am
Nukuleka

Guests from Singapore arrived to stay at my home in Christchurch yesterday, having driven south from Auckland. All has gone smoothly in their travels except for their stopover in- yes, you guessed correctly- Rotorua, where they were racially abused in the street and had their car which was parked close to the police station broken into. The word will undoubtedly be getting back to Singapore that NZ is not quite the low crime country people thought it was, and that all tourists should avoid Rotorua.

Thanks, Jacinda.
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December 3, 2022 8:37am
- Southern Raider
  
  Would that be due to our “First Nations” people who despite claims of racism at every opportunity are actually the most racist people we know?
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:39am
  - G152
    
    For example when the member wanted to have a rant in a language before a council and got shutdown.
    At the start of a meeting it should be an acknowledgement of ALL peoples present.
    For example. The pakeha has the blood of Vikings, Goths Visgoths German Celt and so on.
    Should each have the same introduction or should the Council get on with business?
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Special things for special people before Council business.//
      
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      December 3, 2022 11:04am
    - rouppe
      
      Given the karakia is appreciated by only a few people, and a prayer to God the same, as well as the prophet Mohammed, the deity Gaia and I’m sure numerous other subjects, why don’t the parties spend 15 minutes before meeting start to do their own thing in their own rooms with like minded people?
      
      It’s the arrogance of the expectation that everyone has to share your belief system that pisses me off
      
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      December 3, 2022 4:23pm
- yossarian
  
  Had a friend travel over from Rotorua to Hamilton yesterday. I asked are the roads busy, as during the Fieldays Hamilton fills up and many stay in Rotorua, about an hour away.
  
  She looked at me, with a WTF face. She said “no one stays in Rotorua anymore”
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:45am
- Its only I
  
  I think that tourist advice is already out there judging from some of the comments from our guests.
  
  Rotorua voted for the representation it got and those businesses were thinking short term easy money during a multi year income drought.
  
  We are seeing good numbers of tourists through our tiny place though, last month was 593 people up from just 256 in November 21, not bad for the shoulder season.
  All seem to be really enjoying the country.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:06am
  - CJames
    
    Rotorua didn’t vote for Labour. The electora MP is National, and the Maori electorate is Maori Party. The last mayor was an ex-Labour MP but many in the disfunctional Council were against her.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:15am
    - Its only I
      
      I see, thanks for that.
      Sort of makes things worse.
      
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      December 3, 2022 4:57pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  How come you didn’t warn them to stay away from the Orcs in Rotovegas?
  
  Sometimes stereotypes exist for a good reason.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:01am
- NZer In Exile
  
  I suggest to potential first time tourists to avoid the north island if they are afraid of encounters with ferals.
  
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  December 3, 2022 6:48pm
slightlyrighty

It’s become apparent that this government is incapable of running anything.

Even it’s own spin doctors must be looking at the situation and thinking “There is no possible way I can spin this in a way that is coherent and believable”

How could anyone now possibly say with a straight face that Ardern and Hipkins did not know about the entrenchment of legislation?

How can anyone say with a straight face, as Damien O’Conner did, that anger towards the government from Farmers is due to misinformation?

Can anyone deny, like Andrew Little does every day, that the health system is in crisis?

Grant keeps telling us the economy is fine, but the pressures on the family budget tell a vastly different story.

More and more of us are seeing the vast disconnect between our observed reality and the message from the Pollyanna Government of spin.

It’s the death throes of the current government. I dread to think how much damage they will do between now and the next election, and what it will take to fix it….
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December 3, 2022 8:39am
- Maxx
  
  This Government continues to demonstrate on a daily basis what many knew from day one – the only positive things they have done since coming into power is increase their level of incompetence and their disregard for popular consensus. The later maynot have changed but they aren’t hiding their beliefs of knowing what’s best for us all.
  
  It is somewhat fitting that the way Jacinda delivers speeches is in the same manner as a teacher addressing her class, teaching them what is right.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:16am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Maxx
    “teaching them what is right”
    Left actually.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:51am
- kowtow
  
  They have agents in the media and academia doing most of the spinning .
  
  see the Herald’s New New Zealand project.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:19am
- grumpy
  
  Maybe…… but their lies and dysfunction will never be reported by the corrupt team of $55 million so why should they worry.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fucking NZ over just like Clark and Cullen did.
  Things don’t work out so you just leave a big mess for the next Govt.
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:12am
kevn

Downtick king is back.
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December 3, 2022 8:51am
- Its only I
  
  Living proof the govt wasted 1.9 billion…and there is a chronic shortage of workers in some areas of the health system.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We noticed. Been away to get a degree in Advanced Communism.
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:13am
artemisia

Simon Bridges would be an excellent addition to Willie’s media merger legacy plan. He has all the right skills to dismantle it fast and efficiently. Then could switch to the polytech fiasco Te Pukenga and demolish that. I see a great career ahead of him as a one person wrecking ball, remunerated by a % of the savings and worth every cent.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/130638113/te-pkenga-wont-explain-why-three-deputy-ceos-had-their-contracts-cut-by-9-months
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December 3, 2022 8:52am
Maggie's partner

So Jacinda WAS in the room, but it was behind closed doors, so we will never know if she actually heard / participated in the discussion about entrenchment.
Kinda like Schrodinger’s Twat?
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December 3, 2022 8:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bit like Bill and Marijuana… puffed but didn’t inhale.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think Bill did not like it – compared to the good stuff available.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:18am
- JJ56
  
  Not really, with Schrodinger at least we are certain once the cat is out of the bag.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:24am
- crikey
  
  Can’t say Ive ever heard of the Schrodinger’s Twat variation. Sounds interesting.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:42am
Bridgenag

Impertinent question……. The Blokes at Bowls want to know why the females that hate/dislike men dress like men and the men that hate/dislike females dress like females. ………. Weird was the consensus. Whoops…that may be racist!
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December 3, 2022 8:56am
- mawm
  
  I have always been amazed that women who dress as men hate men so. It’s a visceral hatred. Is it p*nis envy? Whereas the men who dress effeminately actually like women and have many good platonic women friends.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:34am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Most of the lesbians I have known don’t dress as men and don’t hate men. The political nutters are the exceptions.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:04pm
kowtow

The media .

Today the Herald continues its pravdaesque campaign on behalf of the regime to stigmatise certain sections of society while promoting the govt’s secretive mis/disinformation propaganda project , under the banner ‘The New New Zealand” and while today’s effort is along the lines of a survey on division and why ; they fail to mention the regime’s drive to entrench all things racist as being surely a huge source of same , not to mention their own role in this.

Speaking of which the UK and international media continue to attack an elderly volunteer as a racist for trying to engage in conversation at a palace event .

Would the real Marlene Headley please stand up . And why would she appropriate a surname like “Fulani” when they’re perhaps best known for ;

” Apart from clashes with farmers, there have been allegations that some Fulanis have been involved in armed robbery, rape and communal violence especially in central and northern part of the country. Similar accusations have also been made against them in Ghana and Ivory Coast.” ( BBC)
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December 3, 2022 8:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “So, the lady who calls herself Ngozi Fulani (an Igbo first name combined with a last name lifted from a different tribe) … is really named Marlene Headley and her family was from Barbados. Did I mention that her parents were named Gladstone and Mildred Headley?
  
  The aged lady-in-waiting who got her honorary title taken away because Ms. Headley/Fulani had a hissy fit was one of the late queen’s closest friends. She no doubt has met a million people from around the Commonwealth and has a well-practiced eye and ear for distinguishing West Indians from West Africans.”
  
  https://www.unz.com/isteve/ngozi-fulani-is-actually-marlene-headley/
  
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  December 3, 2022 5:21pm
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Inspector Brent Register: “I’d be really really concerned if an owner and operator of a small superette or dairy actually was the one that was facing a court charge…” He also said that “some of these children, they don’t have shoes to go to school…one or more of their caregivers is already in jail. They don’t have role models and they’ve fallen out of the education system.”

Yeah let’s blame the victims and feel sorry for the offenders!

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/12/02/police-govt-warn-shop-workers-not-to-use-weapons-behind-counter/
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December 3, 2022 8:58am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Lawyers should be interpreting the law not the police.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:31am
  - Don Beckett
    
    R. Yes, I saw that article on TV1 News, and was disgusted by it. That cop should be sacked.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:43pm
- Matt Long
  
  That sounds like a not very subtle threat to shop owners.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So Police are saying you can not protect yourself? Just let the bastards beat the living shit out of you? And so the violent robberies continue.
  Let’s change the Govt and get rid of all the soft cock Costers.
  Above my front door I have a curtain rail with no curtain on it. The rail is 900mm long and 20mm stainless steel bar. It is there for a reason.
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:35am
  - Ghost
    
    I think it would be more, just give them what they want, don’t confront the little shits and get out of the robbery alive.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It won’t be me that dies, Ghost. But the guys on the ground will die before hospital. Guns? Depends on what is happening. I can read an emergency real quick, and act.
      70 and still fit. I would still be working 50 hours if the Company did not have to close because of the Lease.
      How many do you know that worked for the same Company for nearly 50 years? I liked it, but it is no more.
      No doubt that 20mm bit of stainless will become useless as I age, but for now it is there to be used.
      Don’t confront the little shit is being a pussy.
      
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      December 3, 2022 3:04pm
  - rouppe
    
    The problem is that if you have a weapon behind the counter, then to a judge that shows premeditation.
    
    If that weapon is deadly, that premeditation can turn into a murder charge.
    
    It then doesn’t matter that the scrote came in to your store with a knife. If you take them out with your machete, then you did the killing, with a weapon you brought for that purpose.
    
    Not saying I agree, cause I don’t. But you’d have a tough argument that you feared for your life when you brought the weapon in at 7am and used it at 3pm.
    
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    December 3, 2022 4:30pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      It doesn’t matter what the judge thinks. It matters what the jury thinks.
      
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      December 3, 2022 9:06pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  For the NZ Police, the government and the judicial system shopkeepers and many others are acceptable collateral damage.
  
  Which is to say that some of them may be badly injured or die, but that’s much better than allowing people to defend themselves in meaningful fashion – meaning with weapons that equalise the power difference. That would mean more deaths, not less, in their view.
  
  It’s also why there’s such a focus on road speeds: you’ll save more lives that way than you’ll lose with criminals attacking shops. Very utilitarian thinking.
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:57am
Clyde

I note that despite High Court declarations and rulings, the burning of DoC huts in the Ureweras continue unabated. DoC are not too worried of course because they are riddled with co-governance freaks, and the Police are not interested in little things like arson. Meanwhile the “true custodians” continue their march onto total civil disobedience based on racial genetic superiority.
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December 3, 2022 8:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Department of Conservation stated that it fully supported the destruction of the huts. It is appalling.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:05am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    DoC has been appalling for decades.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Once the DoC was good. Now it is full of mad climate change greenies.
      
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      December 3, 2022 11:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  
  They’re all going up in smoke
  
  https://www.teaomaori.news/eight-more-te-urewera-huts-burned-despite-court-injunction
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:26am
  - Matt Long
    
    Decolonisation, wait till they start in on land the White Colonial Oppressors stole.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Surely the Court can issue warrants for the arrests of those doing the hut burning? Send in armed police on helicopters if necessary.
    
    What if white folk were burning down buildings in defiance of a court order? Guess what would happen?
    
    Te Urewera is going to end up a no go area. Of course that is the intention.
    
    Chris Finlayson has a lot to answer for.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:18am
    - crikey
      
      Finlayson obviously was a wolf in wolf’s clothing.
      
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      December 3, 2022 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tuhoe want the place to have no outsiders in there.
    It will be for guerilla training.
    Anyone heard of a Coup in the making?
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:40am
    - NothingLeft
      
      I say let them have it. Cut off govt funding (the area is nothing but a huge sink for tax dollars anyway), and let them transition their backwards communities to living in the 18th century as they seem so keen to do.
      
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      December 3, 2022 12:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Oh no, you can’t cut off funding. Te Tiriti remember.
        The Te Tiriti that they did not sign, but still get settlements.
        For the Govt to not pay out is ‘racist’
        
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        December 3, 2022 3:10pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The problem is that when they run out of NZ taxpayer money, they’ll look overseas, to places like China. By the time they realise they’re in hock to someone much tougher than the NZ Govt, it’ll become an even bigger problem for the rest of us to resolve.
        
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        December 3, 2022 5:25pm
- kowtow
  
  Don’t see how the HC can be bothered that someone is not abiding by their ruling.
  
  Afterall the highest court in the land wants to /has created the precedent that certain , shall we call them pre colonial , customs and practices should be embedded in our current legal framework , and that being the case the rule of conquest , warrior code or indeed whatever a chief or war party decide is ok to do should now be part of the law of the land . In other words anarchy .
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:28am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  A friend highly recommended we do the Lake Waikeremoana walk about 5 years ago, so it had gone on the bucket list. Not anymore. So the local thugs have achieved what they wanted. Control and exclusive use of a National Park. Moreover they complain that DOCs funding to take care of the park is inadequate. Mafiaesque tones here – if you don’t pay us thugs enough protection money then we can’t protect you from the thugs. Surprise surprise the infrastructure is now being razed to the ground.
  
  Why do we not hear more about these failures in Partnership arrangements? That’s right, it would breach the terms of the PIJF.
  
  We are living through an ideological and cultural war. It is won on thoughts and ideas. Without a free, independent, balanced and critical thinking press, the battle of ideas is lost.
  
  The first thing a new government must do to turn things around is remove all provisions in public services and the job descriptions to operate to the principles of partnership under te tiriti and replace them with the requirement to operate to the principles of democracy. Equity must be replaced by equality.
  
  Next the media funding from government must cease and laws passed to protect the independence of media.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    At the same time, let’s Entrench these new Principles eh?
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Wasn’t it some brilliant legal mind in the Nats who came up with all this ‘co governance” and embodying inanimate objects guff.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘ remove all provisions in public services and the job descriptions to operate to the principles of partnership under te tiriti and replace them with the requirement to operate to the principles of democracy. Equity must be replaced by equality’
    
    Nailed it, my lumpy friend
    
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    December 3, 2022 5:26pm
artemisia

“Man for man the better team.” Remember that?

Criticism here of Mr Luxon, but we should not forget he is smart and now has a team with more or less all feet pointing in the same direction. And experienced MPs, along with advisers and strategists in the wider party.

That indicates a lot of activity behind closed doors. And plans.
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December 3, 2022 9:01am
- David Garrett
  
  art: IIRC it was “man for man the strongest team”…imagine the reaction to such a slogan now!
  
  These days we have much better ones, like “Let’s do this” FFS…
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:23am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The usual Lefty cry is “Let’s not do this.”
    
    Actually doing something instead of talking or throwing other people’s money away is very unpopular. Stopping other people doing things is top priority after stealing their money and property.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:37am
  - leoj
    
    John Marshall, National, 1972?
    
    A losing slogan. if I recall.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  man for man….
  
  There’s your problem.
  
  50% of the population aren’t going to be attracted to that slogan…
  
  How about Head for head?
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:33am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Tit for tat?
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:38am
  - David Garrett
    
    Mags: I think that one might provoke a certain ambiguity among the alphabet soup “community”…
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:38am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Person for Person the better team.
    
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    December 3, 2022 9:54am
  - artemisia
    
    I know it is not acceptable these days but it was powerful. And it’s the idea that counts, short and punchy is good.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:13am
- Ghost
  
  Man for, ah, what,
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jesus Ghost. You can’t unsee that.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:45am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Sad 🤣
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:55pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Luxon’s just marked one year in the job, and I can’t think of a single leak from the National Party caucus. It was a divided and divisive rabble until Luxon took over, so in that respect at least, he and Nicola Willis are doing a terrific job.
  
  What we need to see from early 2023 is policy being rolled out that is clearly different to Labour Party policy. There are some fantastic new candidates being chosen, with candidate selection about halfway through by the end of 2022. As Labour disintegrates into a rabble, National will look more and more like a government in waiting.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:25pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon has always stated no policy until all candidates named, and after Christmas
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:41pm
70andstilllearning

Just a casual observation but a novel word seems to have crept into the PM’s language. The word is of cause “novel”. eg
“Entrenchment is commonly understood to be a super majority, 75 per cent, what came before Parliament was a more novel approach,” she said.” [1]
What does this word “novel” she keeps using mean I wondered – so I had a look – which didn’t help really.
1) novel – a fictitious prose narrative of book length, typically representing character and action with some degree of realism.
2) novel – interestingly new or unusual [2]

Given the length of the prose which the PM seems to inevitably deliver to answer a simple question that requires only a single word response, I’m tending to think that the former definition applies – but perhaps I’m wrong as everything this PM explains seems to have a new twist that is interesting or unusual.
Oh well may as well go and dig some more weeds out of the garden on such a nice day – far more useful than trying to understand our PM’s prose!

[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-waters-questions-remain-over-how-anti-privatisation-clause-got-past-ministers/HXOURNIQEFDG5L3CG5X6OT4F4I/

[2] https://www.google.com/search?q=novel+meaning&oq=novel+&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j0i433i512j0i10i512j0i512l7.8413j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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December 3, 2022 9:29am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The novel approach is a common theme from Labour – Jacinda, Willy, Nanaia – all referring to this when putting the axe to democracy.
  
  A new democracy where the tyranny of the minority replaces one person one vote. A new use of entrenchment to protect your theft of the water infrastructure of ratepayers not to protect constitutional arrangements. A new opportunity to build back better, with the control in the hands of Iwi Elite.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Novel” And here is me thinking the word creeping in was “aware”
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:01am
  - david
    
    Nah, they just pinched it from the virologists who describe “novel virus” as one that had previously not been encountered.
    Simple plagiarism and (as is becoming more and more common) redefinition.
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fasten your seatbelts everyone.
Mike is back.
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December 3, 2022 9:46am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Steve, remember your own advice, “Don’t feed the troll.”
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, but I did a little.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:46am
I remember when

Tamaki Makaurau:
A New Zealand parliamentary electorate formed for the 2002 election.
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December 3, 2022 9:52am
- nathie
  
  Ah hah so the wokesters are renaming “Auckland” after a New Zealand parliamentary Māori electorate … makes alot of sense, not.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tāmaki_Makaurau
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Mayor Jepson shut down Paniora, and he hade every right to do so. Enough bullshit from the special people.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/kaipara-mayor-did-the-right-thing-shutting-down-the-maori-prayer/

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Craig-Preston-Mayer.pdf
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December 3, 2022 9:55am
- Nickc2
  
  The perils of having a compulsory unelected Maori Ward on/in Councils could not have been more aptly demonstrated than in the video of the Kaipara Council meeting.
  Such Wards are another blight Nanaia Mahuta has injected into NZ Politics.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:14am
  - artemisia
    
    Will a different government bring back elector polls on Maori wards?
    
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    December 3, 2022 10:38am
    - Nickc2
      
      I sure hope so, but who knows? I haven’t seen or heard anything. I would like to ask my MP but he is a Labour Maori MP and he wouldn’t know, let alone give me time of day.
      
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      December 3, 2022 11:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Only if the Maori Seats are abolished, which they should be.
      With all of this “racist” calls about, we have Parliament Sets based on Race?
      
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      December 3, 2022 11:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Paniora was really pushing it. It was fucking rude. Bullying.
    Jepson put her in her place, and rightly so.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:53am
  - MCōs
    
    The Kaipara Council voted for a Māori Ward Nov 2020 by 7/0.
    Whosoever is enrolled on the Māori Parliamentary electoral roll then voted for the Māori Ward representative.
    Whether that’s democratic is up to your own interpretation.
    As it happened there was only about 40% turnout at the polls in that jurisdiction so I suppose most people couldn’t give a toss if it democratic or not.
    
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    December 3, 2022 1:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sadly you are correct MCos
      
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      December 3, 2022 3:14pm
- dcrane
  
  Three cheers for that gutsy mayor!
  
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  December 3, 2022 2:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s basically what he stood for, except he dressed it up as pro sectarian.
    He’s a member of Democracy Northland, which is anti Māori Ward.
    Presumably they want control to remain with the other geographic wards.
    It could be argued the ward system is also undemocratic, because a particular area might always have their interests manipulated by the others.
    
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    December 3, 2022 3:11pm
Alan Wilkinson

Anyone else finding this site goes awol now and then?
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December 3, 2022 9:58am
- Benedict Yu
  
  me
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:07am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, I’ve been blaming my Modem. Thanks for raising the issue.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:22am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Same. Refusal to load for minutes at a time. I did wonder about DDoS attacks but that seems a bit far-fetched even for a successful blog site like this.
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do recall a DOS attack a long time ago.
    Or maybe that was on Whaleoil.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Refusal to reload after coming back from a link.
  I just get rid of that page and start again.
  One other thing, after going to a link and coming back, the downticks/upticks sometimes don’t work.
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:58am
I remember when

Are karakia an example of a much bigger problem.
Is the argument being conducted from the wrong starting point.
Should the question start by asking whether a Maori action should be included in proceedings.
Rather than arguing why it shouldn’t, usually afterwards.
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December 3, 2022 10:09am
- Piticus
  
  I think its important to give credit where credit is due !
  Most government departments have got the karakias, the inclusion, the diversity, the flexible working conditions and the email pronouns firmly in place and working really well. (sarc).
  The problem is the inability to actually do their jobs properly – the dysfunction would not be tolerated in the private sector !!!
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    I don’t see a problem with having it at the end of a meeting so long as people who don’t want to stay for it are given permission to leave before it starts eh?
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is all part of the future Coup.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:01pm
Ghost

It’s interesting how the cia used to plant stories In the media. Today the media are just in the back pocket of the government

CIA Officer Frank Snepp Discusses Planting Stories in Vietnam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwerBZG83YM
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December 3, 2022 10:20am
Maggie Pie

OMG….Anyone else find this just a wee bit odd?

ZB’s Jack Tame tells listeners…… he agreed to be buried up to his neck in ‘fermenting-sawdust’ in an attempt to find a natural cure for a serious skin condition.

Hmmm
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December 3, 2022 10:23am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I don’t find that odd – when you or a loved one have bad health and mainstream attempts to fix it don’t work then you try other options.
  
  What I did find disturbing about Jack Tame was his gleeful attitude on last Saturday’s radio where he wanted naughty people to be smashed with much larger interest rates as they need to be punished for the inflation Taniwha. No empathy for the hurt this will cause. No criticism for the true causes of inflation: zero immigration, ongoing reckless spending by Robertson and the incompetence of Orr.
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Must admit I had a ‘Fish Pedicure’ once.
    
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    December 3, 2022 11:08am
- Ghost
  
  When medicine doesn’t work you turn to other things, sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t.
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I never watch him. He is a leftie idiot.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:03pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Couldn’t they persuade him to go a bit deeper?
  
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  December 3, 2022 1:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Disgusting, Alan.
    Depending on how you interpret that sentence.
    
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    December 3, 2022 3:17pm
kevn

@InOut… We have Sth African friends in the same position. Immigration just keep moving the goal posts.
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December 3, 2022 10:30am
Maggie Pie

And I see where people are saying…. El Fresco Collins has been offering advice to Labor’s Hamilton-West candidate on how to win an election.

😀 😀 😀
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December 3, 2022 10:36am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Ah Maggie – but +HR=E ewes keep running to him for comment whenever Wayne says something – he must know what he’s talking about ……
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:42am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  What was his advice on getting Jacinda’s endorsement?
  
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  December 3, 2022 10:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hope Labour have got those Dominion Vote Counting machines set up.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:05pm
alloytoo

Anybody else seen Judith Collins Fielddays videos on twitter?

She appeared to be having a ball and was literally embraced by many.

Ardern in contrast……
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December 3, 2022 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One video someone yelled out to Jaspinda in a loud voice “Fuck off”
  Then the silly woman said the 5 votes for Labour out of 200 was good!
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:08pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Is it pissing down on the North Shore or something Steve? Don’t think I’ve ever seen 13/ 15 “Recent Comments ” attributed to 1 commentor before 🙂
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nah, I am fully retired now and have a lot of time on my hands. Can’t go out boating and washing some bait, so I am stuck at home until I get some surgery.
      Long wait, I know.
      
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      December 3, 2022 3:20pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        So guess the boat’s not heading north this year when your finally allowed to go there ( at this stage anyway) – what a bugga.
        
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        December 3, 2022 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

And looks like that horrible Ngozi Fulanil may have shit in her own nest.

What a disgrace!!

https://twitter.com/kellyWelly50/status/1598396507417464833
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December 3, 2022 11:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That thing with Lady Whatever name was a whole setup. Just another rabid leftie playing the race card.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:12pm
  - MCōs
    
    The royal family didn’t exactly go out of their way to stand up for the old biddy.
    
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    December 3, 2022 12:58pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Yep. Charles and William have damaged themselves significantly with this blunder. The old Duke and Queen would have seen right through this charlatan. The principal and perhaps only beneficiary of her fake “charity” is herself posing in a fake name and fake dress and paying herself some 240k pounds apparently last year.
      
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      December 3, 2022 1:27pm
      - MCōs
        
        There is a continual stream of derogatory stories about Megan Markle being drip fed to the NZ Herald.
        I expect if they wanted to rally round this old retainer the knives would have been out for Ngozi Fulanil well and truly.
        If the true be known they’re probably glad to get rid of the old girl. She’s probably got a track record of this sort of casual racism & right now that’s the last thing they want.
        
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        December 3, 2022 2:19pm
      - The Housekeeper
        
        It does reek of a set-up to get rid of Hussey. It’s hard to believe that no-one from The Firm recognised Ngozi Fulani given her constant denigration of the royal family, specifically Charles and Camilla as Meagan’s in-laws. I see an aide has resigned. Perhaps the one who said
        
        Oh Lady Hussey look, there is that woman who has been bad mouthing the family. You know, the one we all hoot about in private because she pretends she’s African. She’s wasn’t invited and she’s getting perilously close to Camilla, will you be a dear and take care of it?
        
        Luckily, Fulani was able to record their conversation. It seems obvious that Hussey knew Fulani was a fake before she approached her, hence her incessant questions and invasive attempt to see the nametag which was hidden beneath Fulani’s hair. It’s ridiculous to think that Hussey, after 60 years as a lady-in-waiting, colliding with people from many races and all walks of life, is some sort of geriatric, privileged numbskull who has no idea of what she’s saying or doing.
        
        The duplicity of Fulani knows no bounds. She pretends to be African, she claims to advocate for women, just not 83 yr old white ones and she’s happy to gatecrash a party held by people she has incessantly called racists, if only to record their conversations. However, the cowardice of the royal family in their haste to banish one of their most faithful servants with not even a squeak of support from any of them, all the time knowing Fulani is a complete fake, is breathtaking. What a bunch of fakewits the royal family is.
        
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        December 3, 2022 5:08pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        What I would say is that Lady Hussey’s repetitive questioning is similar to behaviour I have seen from close relatives who subsequently turned out to have Alzheimers.
        
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        December 3, 2022 5:41pm
- kowtow
  
  Marlene Headley .
  
  I suppose she subscribes to ; “charity begins at home”.
  
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  December 3, 2022 12:15pm
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  Grifter
  
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  December 3, 2022 5:38pm
nathie

Breaking News!!!

Unkind critics of Jacinda Ardern have been unfairly calling her a “dress up Prime Minister” and a “pretend leader”.

However it can now be revealed that Ms Ardern is in fact a protege who escaped from the Palmerston North Bowling Club Fancy Dress Ball Group many decades ago.

She can be seen in the second photo, first row, sitting on the last chair on the right, when she was youth-adjacent.

Since her escape in order to become “famous” and “very important” (and was thought to have said “when I do I will make those backward looking farming regions pay dearly”), after being “homeless” for a few years in Auckland Central, Ms Ardern now resides in Mount Albert.

Skilled with being a performer, Ms Ardern occasionally travels to Wellington to “dress up as Prime Minister” one or two days a week to adoring crowds.

NZ’s real Prime Minister, Grant Robertson, when asked about this by journalists (unless it is Heather du Plessis-Allan – he usually scowls her), quickly puts away what appears to be puppet strings for some unknown reason and smiles. “There is nothing to see here, time to move on”!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/300755238/back-issues-tracing-fancy-dress-from-the-enchanting-to-the-cringey
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December 3, 2022 11:20am
kevn

@Maggie… Fulanil. Just a vile type.
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December 3, 2022 11:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yes!
  You need only to look at the state of her house to realise just how vile she is 🙁
  
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  December 3, 2022 11:55am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300755870/man-who-killed-partner-sexually-abused-children-released-on-parole
This is a disaster in waiting: whoever is responsible for signing-off his release will be guilty for the inevitable tragedy.
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December 3, 2022 12:31pm
- Inandout
  
  grey, it seems he is a South Island problem now. I smiled to myself when I read about him being told to ‘refrain’ from going near areas where children congregate.
  ‘refrain:
  to keep oneself from doing, feeling, or indulging in something and especially from following a passing impulse’.
  
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  December 3, 2022 1:17pm
Ghost

There are a few articles about this since it aired here, all questioning basically the same thing that it should have been awarded as correct. You can’t get a question half right, you either get it right or wrong.

‘Jacinta Ardern’: The Chase’s Bradley Walsh under fire for not allowing half-right Jacinda Ardern answer on show

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2022/12/jacinta-ardern-the-chase-s-bradley-walsh-under-fire-for-not-allowing-half-right-jacinda-ardern-answer-on-show.html
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December 3, 2022 12:37pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, we also were a little puzzled by Bradley’s refusal especially when we heard The Beast in a final round give an answer to a question along the lines of ‘it was either xxx, or xxx’ and it was allowed. Bradley is tolerant of Scottish or Irish contestants’ answers which at times are almost impossible to interpret. We do of course sometimes say ‘Jacinta’ as a demeaning name.
  
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  December 3, 2022 1:27pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  I’m not sure that you’re correct.
  
  Cindy’s full name could be Jacinta. Since she can’t pronounce the letter “t”, and she probably can’t spell, we would never know this.
  
  Irrespectively, the correct answer to the question was clearly “Cindy Ardern”.
  
  If you were asked a question about Robert Zimmerman, and you answered “Bob Dylan”, you would be correct. If someone’s name is Frederick, you could shorten it to Fred. And so it goes on…
  
  Referring to Ms Ardern as Cindy removes any ambiguity.
  
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  December 3, 2022 2:32pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    Sir Bill English was actually named Simon William English at birth.
    
    I have never heard anyone call him William English – he is always referred to as Bill English.
    
    Cindy Ardern is obviously the correct way to refer to our Prime Minister.
    
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    December 3, 2022 4:45pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      That’s Sir William to you!
      
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      December 3, 2022 5:43pm
Warren

Some might have read the article that Kate McNamara penned about Grant Robertsons creative accounting from the Covid-19 fund but here is Grant Robertsons reply.
Grant Robertson : no accounting tricks in 3.2 billion Covid Fund allocation.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/grant-robertson-no-accounting-tricks-in-32-billion-covid-fund-allocation/F4CH2O7NHNCSTM5JLYWMZ5TAOE/
Kate McNamara has hit a nerve when slamming Grant Robertson on his grab of 3.2 billion from the Covid-19 fund.
This reply is not under pay wave and the comments on it seem to say many have lost trust in the Labour Finance Minister.
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December 3, 2022 12:41pm
- Prince
  
  So what Robertson says is that if the bank lends me $1M to buy a house, and I only end up needing $950K, I can go out and spend $50K on a new car and it’s good economics.
  He is totally addicted to borrowing and spending.
  
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  December 3, 2022 4:32pm
Nickc2

Former President Barack Obama speaking about the current POTUS and telling the truth for once: “We all know some folks in our lives…they say crazy stuff…Uncle Joe, you know what happened to him. They’re part of the family but you don’t give them serious responsibilities.”
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1598472611616497668?
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December 3, 2022 12:51pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING AS WE SPEAK…..

Thort this worth sharing with the group.

Elon about to share all the previously censored files on HUNTER BIDEN 😛

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598825403182874625
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December 3, 2022 1:15pm
- Nickc2
  
  Top Republican member of the Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jim Jordan (D-OH), on Thursday demanded former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan divulge information related to their attempt to discredit the Hunter Biden laptop story in 2020
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/12/02/jim-jordan-demands-ex-spies-divulge-information-pushing-hunters-laptop-russian-disinformation/
  I think I’ll order another bottle of Cognac, and some Crackers with Salmon & Chives Dip in order to settle in and watch that.
  
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  December 3, 2022 1:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    December 3, 2022 1:43pm
- Ghost
  
  But when will he release the secret files on Maggie Pie?
  
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  December 3, 2022 1:31pm
Bob

Matt… what smart people?
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December 3, 2022 1:40pm
Maggie Pie

What would you have done?

A couple of years back I remember coming out of ‘About-Time’ and witnessing an accident similar to this on Remuera Rd.

Nobody stopped 🙁

https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1598614613695791104
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December 3, 2022 2:00pm
- NothingLeft
  
  I’ve seen other (old) chinese videos I can no longer locate (from defunct liveleak video site) of:
  1/ Two women in a swimming pool watching a panicking kid drown a few meters away from them.
  2/ A group of young adults watching an old man crash and drown a few meters away, pinned under his motorbike in knee-deep but basically still water on a flooded street.
  3/ 10-15 people walking and driving past a toddler who got run over by a delivery truck in an alleyway during a 5 minute period. https://youtu.be/7XDP1HD7fc4
  
  Chinese seem utterly inhuman.
  
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  December 3, 2022 5:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, I recall my grandad saying…. “They’re a weird mob”
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:14pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Another demonstration of your racist attitudes. You could tack on your homophobic barbs to finish the day off.
      
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      December 3, 2022 6:46pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Get off your high-horse Bene. I’m sick of reading about your hatred for Maori 🙁
        
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        December 3, 2022 6:52pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The Chinese Poll Tax was finally abolished in 1944.
      
      Was your “grandfather” a cheer leader?
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/feature/poll-tax-apology-marks-new-beginning-28
      
      Are you a real person?
      
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      December 3, 2022 6:49pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        BY – life was made hard here for early Chinese migrants. Poll tax making it very hard for families to come and settle. Something like 2 women to 9000 men in the late 19th century. Our government apologised for the Poll Tax but it doesn’t change the past.
        
        In my area the school has more Chinese than European NZers. Generally they over achieve. Communication isn’t always easy, but I admire the high value placed on family, industriousness, and education.
        
        Many other NZers would do well to ask why Chinese people generally do very well here.
        
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        December 3, 2022 7:38pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      As usual you double down on the revolting indefensible.
      
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      December 3, 2022 7:18pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Oh FGS Bene lighten-up man!
        It’s Satuday night and were having fun 😀
        How about a little joke from one of the guys here….
        
        Wot do you call a Chinese woman with one leg?
        Irene.
        
        Get it? LOL!!
        
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        December 3, 2022 7:37pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Chinese seem utterly inhuman.”
    
    Yes all of them I guess.
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:58pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    This isnt a race issue, it’s more of a big city issue. There have been a number of psychology experiments done where someone feigns a medical emergency and they observe what passers by do. Typically the bigger the city the more likely people are to just pass on by.
    
    China being such a populous country is likely to have more large cities and therefore more of this sort of behaviour. But it happens in Western cities too.
    
    We are lucky to live in a smaller country where there is still a sense of community. Nice to see the people of Ellerslie stepping in when the jewellers got burgled.
    
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    December 3, 2022 7:31pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Just to set the record strait Piney….
      it was the good people of Remuera that stepped in.
      
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      December 3, 2022 7:44pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        😀 Good for them!
        
        The folks at Ellerslie jewellers are top-shelf. Couldn’t meet a better bloke than the manager that protected the bosses wife.
        
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        December 3, 2022 7:54pm
rangitoto

B21 raider unveiling:

https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/air/b-21-raider/
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December 3, 2022 2:09pm
CAKE FACE1

“I actually believe it is possible to survive in politics without lying” (Cindy Ardern).

Perhaps this statement was simply word games, and was meant to be just hypothetical in nature, because all we have heard from Cindy over the past week has been an orchestrated litany of lies.

Entrenchment of three waters was “not necessarily something I would be aware of”. Cindy was aware of it, but perhaps it was possible hypothetically that she could have been unaware of it, even though she wasn’t in fact unaware? More word games? Strike one.

On the subject of five waters, Cindy claimed that the legislation adding coastal and geothermal water “does not change its scope.” This was an out and out lie. Strike two.

Cindy also claimed that there was a “global shortage” of fog cannons, meaning a delay in the rollout. This was fact checked, and shown to be another lie. Strike three.

I think Cindy is a compulsive liar. She is a fake, a phoney and a fraud.

What is particularly galling about all of this is that Cindy holds herself out as some sort of Messiah. Fake! False!

I have come to the conclusion that Cindy is simply evil. Pure, concentrated, unmitigated evil.
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December 3, 2022 2:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  With the comments of late Jaspinda now knows that we are very carefully listening and analysing everything she says. The lies are now breaching 3 a day and the paid media ignore them and cover it over.
  I call that corruption. Bachelor of Communication Studies in politics and public relations you know.
  Jaspinda, wake up, NZ is onto you and your evil trickery. We have learnt how you play word games. The show is over Woman. Resign, or face the music, coz the music is going to get much louder!
  
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  December 3, 2022 2:52pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    BREAKING NEWS
    
    Stasi arrive at North Shore residence and apprehend thought criminal known as Septarian Steve.//
    
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    December 3, 2022 7:58pm
- mandk
  
  I think you are being too generous to Ardern.
  
  She has no redeeming features.
  
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  December 3, 2022 5:38pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It is characteristic of the Left that they call out in their opponents what they fear most about themselves.
  
  Thus, any statement such ‘I actually believe it is possible to survive in politics without lying’ should be read as its opposite.
  
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  December 3, 2022 5:52pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    NMTB – I’d suggest this tweak:
    
    It is characteristic of the Left that they accuse their opponents for what they know they are doing themselves. Gaslighting the people of NZ.
    
    Other statements that are opposites:
    – National will try and privatise water infrastructure – meanwhile they are giving water infrastructure to Iwi.
    – National/ACT are racists – while presiding over the racial division of NZ, Iwi roadblocks, racial separation of the health system, power to Iwi elite in councils, DOC, water authority, health authority etc.
    – National need to put up policy and suggestions not just criticise what we are doing – thus criticising National and not communicating their own policy.
    – we will be the most transparent government, meanwhile hiding Te Pua Pua from their coalition partner and the NZ public
    – we will consult with the NZ public on 3 waters, meanwhile 2000 submitters that requested the right to submit in person were denied this.
    – our Covid response is about health, meanwhile focussing the NZ health system on a restructure rather than a pandemic response and making it impossible for immigrant health workers to come and stay in NZ.
    – Covid vaccines are safe and effective
    – Jacinda Arden “Leading with empathy” – meanwhile “you are creating two classes of people” “yip, yip that is exactly what we are doing.”
    “Let’s do this” – meanwhile no targets achieved for house building, tree planting etc
    – JA – my focus will be on reducing child poverty. Child poverty numbers increase.
    
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    December 3, 2022 8:25pm
mogg

I see there is very little interest being shown in new stats showing that 98% of decile 1. 15yr olds are failing standard literacy test. Not advanced learning just everyday reading and writing.
Next there will be taxpayer handouts to gangs for remedial reading and writing courses.
Yes that is ninety eight percent, it’s not a mistake.
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December 3, 2022 2:46pm
- NothingLeft
  
  They clearly aren’t schools in the accepted meaning of the word. Functionally nothing more than boring, high-priced youth centres. They need a massive intervention and a huge increase in discipline.
  
  Kids who get to secondary school unable to read (in the absence of severe learning disability) should be put into institutional care until they can – give them a chance at becoming useful adults
  
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  December 3, 2022 3:42pm
- greybeard
  
  Take a deep breath ( and a large scotch ): these kids may be voting next year !
  
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  December 3, 2022 5:57pm
  - Ghost
    
    No they won’t be voting, national will not support lowering the age.
    
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    December 3, 2022 6:03pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The pass rate is actually much higher, but 90% weren’t at school on the day of the test.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:00pm
Maggie Pie

Elon confirms there are now more than 500m tweets every day!

You know Twitter is being fair when extremists on the far-right and far-left are simultaneously upset 😀
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December 3, 2022 3:41pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  We need Elon in Wellington to fire 50% of the bureaucracy, tell the remainder they will have to work twice as hard so getting rid of the malingerers he missed on the first cull and then resume hiring to pick up any talent mistakenly fired. Hard to beat that strategy when so obviously needed.
  
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  December 3, 2022 8:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is the future. Transistors are fuckwits.
“Day 12 of being a girl and we’re gonna go buy tampons,” he began.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1597799390613499904
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December 3, 2022 3:51pm
Maggie Pie

OMG! How pitiful is this spin on events as they affect the Bidens?

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1598812768181927940

SHEESH!!!
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December 3, 2022 4:18pm
- Ghost
  
  The thing that has always confused me is that protests against trumps pussy comment. Where the hell are the protests against a president whose daughters diary mentions inappropriate showers with her father. Or the underage girls photos on Biden computer. Na child abuse is ok as long as it’s done by someone you support.
  
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  December 3, 2022 4:22pm
Ghost

Senator Rand Paul asserted Thursday that Anthony Fauci is directly responsible for funding dangerous research that likely killed millions of people, and that he “won’t get away.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/rand-paul-fauci-caused-7-million-people-die-weve-caught-him-red-handed-he-wont-get-away
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December 3, 2022 4:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fuck.
A Drone (Military type) is now not ‘un maned’ it is now “un Crewed”
Where are these idiots that do this shit??? Can I please go back to my original Planet?
https://leadpatriot.com/this-sht-is-out-of-control-pentagon-gives-drones-a-fancy-new-woke-name/20112/
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December 3, 2022 5:39pm
MCōs

One hundred and sixty years ago today Governor George Grey signed into law the New Zealand Settlements Act.
Here’s an explanation of what was to follow by Vincent O’Malley. Not a pretty read, boys and girls.
https://e-tangata.co.nz/history/a-dark-tale-of-dispossession-and-greed/
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December 3, 2022 5:52pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  But was he actually there?
  
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  December 3, 2022 6:49pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  No sources so hard to evaluate all his claims.
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:28pm
- LB
  
  To the victor goes the spoils, not unlike a mere 20-40 years earlier. Strange that the colonial forces had maori allies? Strange that maori wouldn’t unite into a homogenous blob. I eagerly look forward to O’Malley publishing a book on the Musket Wars….oh that’s right bit of amnesia around that one and the tribes annihilated, eaten, enslaved and pushed off their lands. Why was the productive Auckland region so empty?? And the Wellington area where the city now stands?? And Ngati Toa headquartered on Kapiti Island, I guess they must have always been there??
  
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  December 3, 2022 9:37pm
Nickc2

Elon Musk releases Twitter documents that implicate the Democrats in illegal vote rigging.
Watch this space, it’s going to be more hilarious than a Punjab BBQ in a famine.
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- Vory v zakone
  
  As Elon tweeted later…
  
  “Tune in for Episode 2 of The Twitter Files tomorrow”
  
  And yes that’s because…
  #thebestisyettocome 💥
  
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  December 4, 2022 12:42am
Ghost

How the hell can changing the RMA cost so much

The Government’s Resource Management Act Reforms will have a one-off cost of $864 million over 10 years split mainly between central and local government

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/benefits-outweigh-860m-cost-of-new-rma-reform-which-could-include-new-taxes-and-revenue-tools-officials/2U4J23CQKVGQFMJYDVIJRBMMYI/

Article is paywalled
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December 3, 2022 9:50pm
- Matt Long
  
  It will cost hundreds of times that, 860 million are just the cost of the bureaucracy setting up the new framework.
  
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  December 4, 2022 6:29am
igm

Good to see Ardern getting her just desserts at Feildays . . . seems MSM are oblivious to the feelings of decent hardworking New Zealanders, those that keep taxes pouring in supporting leeches on benefits and public service Labour supporting bureaucrats.
Time Ardern realised she is the most despised PM in the history of this once great country.
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