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Benedict Yu

I heard Helen Clark on the radio yesterday explaining how misogyny and hatred forced the PM to quit.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/holiday-breakfast/audio/helen-clark-polarisation-has-boiled-to-an-irrational-level-of-vitriol-and-hate-online/

Yes New Zealand has become dangerously polarised. This is because of the policies of the government. Jacinda was a lightening rod for the people adversely affected by those policies. She made things worse by her communication style… the frowny face, waving arms, and accusing any critics of being purveyors of misinformation.

Helen Clark’s comments yesterday show that she is unaware of any of these drivers of the polarisation and the hatred. One of her comments on the radio yesterday illustrated her insularity. I will paraphrase because I cannot locate the quote.

‘This is not who we are as a Nation. We should all be able to agree on things like public health measures and the need for all of us to be vaccinated.’ 🤡
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January 21, 2023 8:02am
- Frank the tank
  
  Unfortunately Ben the elites (of which include both Clark and Ardern) don’t believe in alternative opinion and in their arrogance can’t imagine anyone not agreeing with them.
  
  Clark is in Davos. Enough said.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:08am
  - cmm
    
    Both of them are puppets of the elites.
    
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    January 21, 2023 8:30am
    - Taieri
      
      Helen Clark can be called many things but I very much doubt that she’s ever anybody’s puppet…
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:42am
      - C-Town
        
        Not quite a puppet but she wants to be a puppet-master. In most cases you have to be the former before you can be the latter.
        
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        January 21, 2023 12:08pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Frank you are spot-on.
    
    Clark and Ardern are Globalists that have both pushed their agendas on NZ in a dishonest and non-transparent way. H1 is nicely employed still by the Globalist movement and there is no doubt that Jacinda will be offered a plum role with them in the future.
    
    Clark is the President of Chatamn House. A globalist think tank. They receive funding from Governments, Billionaires, and Corporates including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers and Associations.
    
    They operate the “Chatamn House Rule” to encourage the free sharing of information but it also gives license to clandestine and secretive meetings between the elite.
    
    “When a meeting, or part thereof, is held under the Chatham House Rule, participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed.”
    
    It should be mandatory for NZ parliamentarians to disclose their Globalist affiliations. Can someone beholden to Globalist ideals and masters work for the best interest of our nation?
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:14am
    - Alex
      
      Yes H1 s a globalist, thanks for doing the research does the public generally know this?
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:53am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Do we have any media that communicate a pro-NZ, anti-globalist position?
        
        Certainly none in the mainstream.
        
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        January 21, 2023 10:15am
    - mawm
      
      Luxon – are you listening?
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:57am
      - peterwn
        
        Yes, but he does not listen to dud advice.
        
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        January 21, 2023 10:51am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Pineapple Lumps – the simple answer is no. It’s becoming apparent to more and more people that the “conspiracy theorists” who talked about a “New World Order” were correct.
      Pay close attention to the words coming from the “special” people at Davos.
      
      Tony Blair.
      
      Tony Blair calls for digital libraries to track vaccines – ‘You need the data, you need to know’
      
      https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tony-blair-calls-for-digital-libraries-to-track-vaccines—you-need-the-data-you-need-to-know-133814160.html
      
      There is a story going round that the war criminal, Tony Blair may be lined up as the next leader of the WEF.
      
      https://twitter.com/OlooneyJohn/status/1616397568065568768
      
      Al Gore has become completely unhinged.
      
      Al Gore WEF Meltdown: ‘Boiling the Oceans,’ ‘Rain Bombs,’ a Billion ‘Climate Refugees’
      
      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/18/al-gore-wef-meltdown-boiling-the-oceans-rain-bombs-a-billion-climate-refugees/
      
      Remember, Gore told us in 2006 that we only had 10 years left to save the planet.
      
      https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/al-gore-doomsday-clock-expires-climate-change-fanatics-wrong-again/
      
      Google Al Gore’s climate predictions. Hilarious reading, but these idiots have money and they have influence.
      Some people write off the Davos meeting as meaningless and that it has no impact on the real world. That is dangerous thinking.
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:11am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I just found this delightful bit of satire on the Babylon Bee confirming my point about Gore.
        
        Al Gore Again Warns The Earth Will Not Make It Past The Year 2012
        
        “The situation has never been more dire,” said Gore while wiping the lipstick of a Swiss hooker off his face. “It’s more dire than it was yesterday, and more dire than it was the day before and even more dire than the day before that.”
        
        Sources say the crowd began to fall asleep as he continued.
        
        https://babylonbee.com/news/al-gore-again-warns-the-earth-will-not-make-it-past-the-year-2012?utm_source=The%20Babylon%20Bee%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email
        
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        January 21, 2023 10:19am
      - waikatosinger
        
        It turns out that the CIA did assassinate JFK. MRNA covid vaccines do indeed cause myocarditis and strokes. The climate hockeystick was constructed using bogus maths. They did spy on Trump’s campaign. The FBI orchestrated January 6. The government is spying on everyone on the internet (so use a VPN). Big Tech is blocking people for political reasons. Biden is corrupt and in the pay of the CCP. Epstein was running a honeypot on behalf of intelligence agencies, and didn’t commit suicide. The conspiracy theorists are having a pretty good run at the moment.
        
        However they didn’t get everything right. The World Trade center was not demolished with explosives. Armstrong really did walk on the moon. And despite appearances, I don’t think Hillary Clinton is actually a Lizard.
        
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        January 21, 2023 10:59am
- G152
  
  Clark is BSing as is usual with expired politicians.
  Anything to be noticed
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:09am
- Gravelroad
  
  People are sick.
  Sick of being remote controlled and told what to think.
  Pushback may be starting.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:11am
  - Nickc2
    
    Pushback may be starting
    Bring it on!
    
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    January 21, 2023 8:20am
    - Sacha
      
      Passive pushback. I think people are.
      realising that government information is not necessarily honest or beneficial in any way.
      
      In a way we are putting the government in its place: telling it to get on with running the country, and let us run our own lives.
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Nah , she was never more popular , literally , than when she locked us all up.
    
    The vast majoridy of NZers seemed very happy to be controlled and told what to do and think.
    
    Scarey.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:24am
    - I remember when
      
      Obviously, the answer to Central Government not achieving results is more Central Government.
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:55am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      The writer Bill Pearson’s essay, Fretful Sleepers, written in the wake of the 1951 waterside dispute, famously depicted his fellow citizens as what some might now call “sheeple”.
      
      He warned there “is no one more docile in the face of authority than the New Zealander”, a condition he said arose from “a docile sleepy electorate, veneration of war heroes, willingness to persecute those who don’t conform, gullibility in the face of headlines and radio pep talks”.
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:13am
      - Bridgenag
        
        I was so excited when folk were prepared to stand up at the Wellington “River of filth”
        
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        January 21, 2023 12:59pm
      - rockape
        
        I see another side that authority in NZ often is afraid of standing up to some people. Look at the inaction re Maori occupation. The inaction of the police in ram raids and shop theft. Many of our problems relate to a lack of action by the authorities.
        
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        January 21, 2023 1:46pm
      - Ghost
        
        Police have been catching ram raiders, the problem isn’t with them it is with the government and the justice system taking them once caught, giving them wrap around well being support and the kids hoping back out and doing it again because all they get us a joke.
        
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        January 21, 2023 1:50pm
    - Lance
      
      No, more like most people have had Covid now and they didn’t die in a ditch.
      I am sure there are all kind of factors for that argument but for me personally, the turning point was when the doctor in South Africa identified the milder strain she was elated as this was good news as it was more like a hard flu and it would become the dominant strain, taking out the original rather nasty version. She was heavily sanction and gagged by the WHO.
      Trouble for the gummit was they carried on with the hysteria and brutal lockdowns, claiming it might even be worse that the original strain
      And yet, when I caught it, it was indeed unpleasant, sore muscles etc, but that was it.
      Methinks now the last part of the lockdown was an obscene over reaction and I suspect I am not the only one.
      It doesn’t help that I am now coming up on year 3 of waiting for surgery I have been approved for.
      
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      January 21, 2023 3:50pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I think this narrative about the attacks being worse for female leaders is bullshit. John Key faced worse. The infamous rap song about wanting to rape his daughter, the chant “F John Key” at the Dotcom rallies, plus at least as much name calling as Ardern got. Then look at the regular jostling, mud throwing and dildo throwing aimed at male ROC MPs at Waitangi.
  Look at the abuse directed at Trump and Biden. And Simon Bridges.
  I think there is a natural instinct that females deserve protection but males are considered fair targets
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:18am
  - sirknz
    
    I doubt that female politicians receive more abuse, it is more likely that they take notice of the abuse and are more likely to report it.
    
    Abuse is a subjective measure anyway, at what point does disagreeing with someone become abuse?
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:22am
    - NothingLeft
      
      at what point does disagreeing with someone become abuse?
      when they ~~have a vagina.~~ don’t have a penis.
      
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      January 21, 2023 4:57pm
- kowtow
  
  Simon Wilson and today’s Whoreald editorial are all about this hatred and vitriol theme , along with social media driving her out of office. The editorial uses Sam Neil’s quote ‘pile on by bullies ,misogynists and the aggrieved”.
  
  I recall the campaign , which appeared orchestrated, to drive Simon Bridges out of office . Much of the vitriol coming not from social media but the actual so called mainstream media .
  
  There really was a pile by the bullies against Bridges but why wasn’t there any talk of misandry ?
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    Clark, the MSM and Co, excluding Wilson aren’t totally stupid, they have picked the lines they think will best mobilise their army of Karens.
    For someone like Clark the culture wars never stop. When they get their utopian communist state the purges begin.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:29am
  - rockape
    
    You can add Judith Collins to that as well and don’t tell me she didn’t get her fair share of abuse.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:42am
    - kowtow
      
      Couldn’t agree more.
      
      And again the vile bullying , vitriol and hatred was coming from the msm.
      
      But we heard nary a peep of “misogyny” .
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:50am
  - nathie
    
    Clearly the Jacindmaniacs are one step ahead of your average Labour supporter when it comes to the “stages of grief”!
    
    Eg the average Labour supporter = denial stage.
    
    The Jacindmaniacs (all those pushing the same “misogynist” agenda) = anger stage.
    
    And they sure are as angry as hell at the moment!
    
    Despite PM Ardern herself saying misogyny etc played no part in her resignation. And I believe her! Because of course she was burnt out and of course she didn’t want to face defeat and rejection by the people!
    
    Look at all the dishonest agenda-driven people coming out of the woodwork writing and talking about “misogyny” etc.
    
    They ought to be ashamed of themselves … but they won’t because they are really angry their beloved hero has done the right thing for her own mental health and child’s upbringing (by being there for her … and Clarke too).
    
    Jacindamaniacs = despicable, self-centred people using (a shattered and worn out) Jacinda Ardern to forever lead their lives for them.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:57am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m one of the aggrieved, are we not allowed to question and ridicule the stupid little girl that has aggrieved millions of us?
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:46pm
- kevn
  
  @BY… So, clark is also a jabby enthusiast and an apologist for arden.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:37am
  - NothingLeft
    
    We should all encourage labour and green voters to get regular boosters, for the good of all.
    
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    January 21, 2023 5:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Like Ardern and most of these delusional “important” people at the UN and attending the WEF circle jerk in Davos, Clark lives in a bubble.
  They believe their own hype. Narcissism and hubris doesn’t begin to describe it. They have lost all touch with reality.
  
  Clark blames social media.
  
  she said current politicians faced vitriol 24/7 thanks to social media. She believed Aotearoa was seeing some of the worst elements of United States politics.
  
  What Clark fails to understand is that the only thing social media has done is permitted people to vent their feelings. Narrative control is not as easy as it used to be.
  
  It’s why many governments in the west are working on “hate speech” regulations, the have different names, but they are essentially all about narrative control.
  
  Ross Clark in The Telegraph in the UK summed it up regarding Ardern, the same applies to all of these clowns who have assumed “leadership” in unelected bodies that are now clearly running world governments. The article is paywalled but this is the guts of it.
  
  Poor Jacinda Ardern, defeated by her own vanity
  
  I wrote here in October 2020 predicting that Jacinda Ardern’s zero-Covid policy in New Zealand would turn out to be a disaster. The ensuing Twitterstorm seemed to involve more people that inhabited New Zealand.
  
  That was the point about Ardern. She wasn’t just Prime Minister of New Zealand – and a popular one at her peak – she was a global pin-up for progressive values. She was the beacon of hope among those on the Left who had been destabilised by Donald Trump, Brexit and Boris Johnson. For many, she was seen as a breed apart among global leaders: one who was untouched by the fatal brew of ego, arrogance and self-interest which they saw as inbred into many male politicians.
  
  Ardern’s undoing was in that she appeared to believe that herself. I don’t claim to be able to read her mind, but I would guess that her real reason for resigning ahead of New Zealand’s general election later this year was not primarily that she wanted to collect her daughter from playgroup every day, as she has intimated, but that she could no longer cope with her halo having slipped. When you have been built up into a living saint it must come as a shock to find yourself under attack for failing to address the same old problems which afflict less-progressive national leaders.
  
  The danger now is that in resigning before what was beginning to look like an inevitable defeat at the polls, she will come to be seen by progressives as a political martyr, reinforcing their belief in her greatness, as a female leader who willingly gave up power to be with her family. The reality is that she failed in much that she tried to achieve, and the hero-worship which she enjoyed around the world made things worse by adding to her hubris.
  
  Our “leaders” no longer represent us.
  They are playing to those at the UN and WEF, people we didn’t elect and people with extraordinarily dangerous ideas around how best to run planet earth.
  The covid narrative has mostly collapsed, so now they are pivoting to “climate” as the existential threat to the planet.
  Democracy is ebbing away from us and control is slowly being assumed by these unelected narcissists.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:45am
  - mawm
    
    Clan – It’s not so much in her own bubble but the leftwing liberal (socialist) bubble of the same conversations and condemnations being echoed around dinner tables, in the media and at globalist meetings. It has become self-amplifying and self propagating that to them it becomes the truth that they firmly believe in. There are a few cynical ones who introduce new themes knowing exactly where these half truths are going to go. These are the dangerous men in smokey rooms we have been warned about.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:06am
  - ecco
    
    The subscription price alone is worth it for the Telegraph to read the uncensored comments on that article. Ones like ‘she was a legend in her own mind’ is a classic.
    
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    January 22, 2023 6:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Helen Clark obviously forgot about the death threats to other leaders. Simon Bridges’ life was threatened by a gang affiliate who was going to kill Bridges’ kids and feed them to the pigs.
  
  Threats against ANY political leader’s life are unacceptable. But let’s drop the pretence that only the right make threats and hurl abuse because that’s patently untrue
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:45am
  - Sacha
    
    The pot calls the kettle black.
    Nothing changes. We should just ignore the media magpies and their loud squawking.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And for those who missed it yesterday,
    Here’s a State Radio employee cutting off an interview with Sue Bradford as she starts to detail the vile abuse she ‘s received from Labour Party folks.
    
    Listen from about 3:13 in:
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/middayreport/audio/2018874432/former-politician-on-vile-abuse-and-vitriol
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:14am
    - lifesgood
      
      Astonishing! So blatant… can’t criticise the Labour party. When National win the election they will need to sort out the media, that’s for sure.
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:24am
      - Sideoiler
        
        …..When National win the election they will need to sort out the media, that’s for sure.
        
        The first thing to do would be to demand the repayment of all the PIJF funds, after all they are technically loans.
        
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        January 21, 2023 9:53am
      - rouppe
        
        @sideoiler I think if they haven’t breached the terms then they can’t.
        
        The best strategy would be to find a clause that triggers repayment such as criticising government policy, and wait for them to breach it. They wouldn’t be able to help themselves.
        
        Then hit them.
        
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        January 21, 2023 11:32am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Wow. The bias is clear. The bias in state media needs to be addressed come November. Easiest way would simply be to sell or close them down.
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Close down and start again with NO deadwood or activists. Report the news – not make the news.
        
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        January 21, 2023 10:18am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Wow! Shut down immediately Sue mentioned abuse from allegedly Labour Party aligned people. RNZ, hang your head in shame! Not only because of the obvious bias, but because you let a scoop slip through your fingers. That sort of thing gives journalists a bad name!
      
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      January 21, 2023 3:51pm
  - GJM
    
    Not to mention, Jacinda was surrounded 24/7 by the Pretoria Guard, all armed to the teeth. I am sure my local dairy owner wishes he was even allowed to protect himself, let alone have guards.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:18am
    - Paulus
      
      Praetorian I believe – Caesar’s close personal guards and nasty wigh it too.
      
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      January 21, 2023 2:01pm
  - pdm
    
    Inv = Not to mention a Labour acolyte wanting to rape John Keys daughter not so long ago.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:42am
- slightlyrighty
  
  “They were mean to me because I am a woman” has got to be one of the weakest excuses ever.
  
  You can’t get 50% of the Vote and then complain that being a woman is a problem in Politics.
  
  You can’t head a party that has over 50% of it’s MPs as women and then complain it’s a disadvantage.
  
  I know plenty of women who can’t stand Jacinda. I can tell you that they will not be happy at her gender being used as an excuse to mask her incompetence.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:57am
  - Debsta
    
    Spot on SR! As a woman I find it cringeworthy when women, women in powerful positions particularly, use their gender card like this. I hate what Jacinda has done to my country in the past five years, plain and simple. The rage I feel has nothing to do with her being female, white, labour, mother, unmarried, young or any other label attached to her, but solely attributable to the destruction and division she has wrought on New Zealand.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:24am
- Taieri
  
  I heard Helen Clark on the radio yesterday explaining how misogyny and hatred forced the PM to quit.
  —————
  
  Perhaps the soon-to-be-former PM should create her own nation?
  One without misogyny and hatred, one that will be grateful for her uniqueness and appreciate her sainthood …
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:03am
  - rouppe
    
    Criticising a woman is not misogyny.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:35am
- Ultima
  
  As usual, lefties always blame others for their failure.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yesterday I mentioned about narcissists always wanting to stick their oar in.
  Helen Clark is a perfect example.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:33am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Helen Clark and Jacinda Ardern – Former Prime Ministers of New Zealand 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:02am
- Simon
  
  Helen Clark this Helen Clark that. She is fed her lines. She is a puppet told what to say.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:14am
- JerJer
  
  She was actually the victim of normal people unafraid to point out her shortcomings and lies in work places and social events. These normal people never shied away from the hatred they encountered because of their views. Slowly but surely these awful people (who were unkind and also racist because of their views we shoud note) proves to be 100% correct and the majority of the country then slowly woke up and then suddenly Jacinda was gone. The entire Labour Party will be next when they are routed from the government benches in October. Jacinda and Helen and whoever the complainers are, are totally wrong that this was some targeted campaign of hate. All it was was the even distribution of common sense based on fact, and that has brought down a lying and deceitful prime minister and her government will soon follow. This is an excellent result.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  On this by Helen Clark (paraphrased)
  
  ‘‘This is not who we are as a Nation. We should all be able to agree on things like public health measures and the need for all of us to be vaccinated.’
  
  She cited her experience at school with kids who had polio, and the value of the polio vaccine. She is drawing an equivalence between the COVID and polio vaccines.
  
  The difference is that the polio vaccine was an absolute miracle that ended polio. In New Zealand we vaccinated 95 percent of folk for COVID, most of whom then got infected with COVID.
  
  How can she not see the difference?
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:33am
  - nathie
    
    BY Helen Clark is the master of spin and she is well known for using the information she requires (and ignoring the rest including the truth) to forcefully present her views as being the “correct views”.
    
    When she first became PM in 1999 one of many acts was to discredit the then Police Commissioner by feeding false allegations to the MSM, which they repeated for years and years until 2005 when the former PC broke his silence.
    
    There are many other examples and why the current MS don’t call her “disgraced” (like they do of anyone on the right) is … well it’s the same old story “it’s different when the left do it”.
    
    https://issuu.com/iwishart/docs/investigate_may05/49
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0505/S00207/did-the-pm-treat-doone-with-honesty-and-integrity.htm
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0509/S00245/helen-clark-confesses-deceit-over-peter-doone.htm
    
    Grab a copy of Ian Wishart’s Absolute Power: the Helen Clark Years for a revelation of how she and the Labour Party does its dirty work.
    
    It was about then I stopped being a Labour party voter when I realised the party relies on deceit, misinformation, bullying and smears to gain public support …
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:16am
    - Its only I
      
      Deceit, misinformation, bullying to gain support…so a party using its union roots then.
      
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      January 21, 2023 6:06pm
  - Debsta
    
    Two options…1) They lack the intellect required to process information in a meaningful way; or 2) They isolate themselves from the truth to keep the faith and not distort their narrative. Both are equally dangerous.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:35am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Who the fu$k is Helen Clarke? Isn’t she some washed up old PM voted out of office after the country finally saw through her and cottoned on to her social engineering? Thought so. So why are we listening to her opinions? It’s hilarious Ardern bails because she can’t bare the heat in the kitchen and true to form the girl gang in the media and the “ progressives “ in general blame the kitchen.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Labour better start thinking why people turned against Ardern. She wasn’t hated to start with, blaming us for her ineptitude is pathetic and will probably lose more votes.
  
  I remember effigies of Key being burned in public with chants of F…. John Key, the song about Raping and murdering his daughter which Ardern publicly liked. I remember Bridges being told his kids would be killed and fed to the pigs, bugger Ardern, it’s her failure, not her bloody gender
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:11am
- rouppe
  
  Criticising a woman is not misogyny.
  
  Criticising a Maori is not racism.
  
  Saying that it is, its another example of the hard Left changing the meaning of words.
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:18am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    You are right Rouppe – it is just another example of cancel culture from people who want to force their worldview on everybody else.
    
    Like many NZers I reject their form of intellectual dictatorship. Jacinda has been bagging all people who disagree with her as far right, influenced by international groups spreading mis/dis information because they disagree with her. Now they have worn her out with hurty feelings.
    
    She is 100% right and they are wrong and there is no way she will talk with let alone listen to a dissenter. All I can say is that she is in for an interesting time parenting when her daughter gets old enough to have a difference of opinion.
    
    The biggest pity of the whole situation is that it took her 5 years to realise she didn’t have the capability to do the job. The havoc she has wrecked will be borne by us all well into the future.
    
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    January 21, 2023 8:15pm
- Zoro
  
  Yes I read where she said that when we were young we were all vaccinated against chickenpox etc…well this ain’t one of those types of vaccines, that’s why s lot of people refused to take them.
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Exactly. The people who developed the polio and smallpox vaccines were heroes.
    
    Can you imagine if you got your kids vaccinated against measles. The kids then got measles and a few of them developed myocarditis. Parents would riot and people would come after the vaccine manufacturers with pitchforks
    
    That is exactly what happened with the covid vaccines.
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “I heard Helen Clark on the radio yesterday explaining how misogyny and hatred forced the PM to quit.”
  
  Desperate propaganda from someone who should know better.
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:55pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Of course she knows better. She is just playing politics.
    
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    January 21, 2023 6:25pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  What makes me misogynistic is not Jacinda who can’t help being a twit with a mouth. It is the women who elected her.
  
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  January 21, 2023 6:21pm
peterwn

An announcement that a Director of Mercury Energy Dennis Barnes was resigning to take up the role of CEO of Snowy Hydro in Australia caused me to dig a bit deeper. Snowy Hydro is a federally owned company that grew out of the former Snowy Mountains Authority and operates 9 power stations and 16 dams. Dennis is a former CEO of Contact Energy so is well placed to manage these assets and because of their age to oversee the necessary maintenance and refurbishment programs. Where it becomes interesting would be the oversight of the two ‘Snowy 2.0’ projects. One is a $A5.9B pumprd storage scheme which is similar to the proposed Lake Onslow scheme. It is suffering major cost blowouts and is further complicated by the financial failure of a major comtractor. So Dennis will have to clean up that mess the best he can.
What is even more interesting is the other Snowy2.0 project, the Kurra Kurra 650MW gas turbine station being built in the Hunter Valley by Snowy Hydro to provide interim generation following closure of a nearby coal fired power station (in the interests of emissions reduction). This sort of station is relatively cheap to build, is inefficient and hence expensive to run but serves as ‘last resort’ generation. There seems to be federal involvement because the federal government’s interest to reduce emissions. The responsible Minister is Labor’s federal Energy and Climate Change Minister Chris Broad. He and Snowy’s former CEO fell out, hence Dennis’s appointment. Chris has demanded that the Kurra Kurra plant be adapted to run partially on Green hydrogen to supplement natural gas, the main fuel. Those who understand these things will be picking themselves up off the floor laughing at this stage. Seemed the former Snowy CEO does not suffer fools gladly and spoke his mind to the Minister thus leading to the fallout. So his replacement is going to have some very interesting challenges.
To explain the Kurra Kurra situation further – the only source of Green hydrogen is by electrolysing water into hydrogen and oxygen and utilising the hydrogen. Presumably some of the oxygen is used for medical and industrial purposes and the rest dumped into the atmosphere (it is not wasted as the energy is in the hydrogen). The process requires electricity and the electrical energy used to produce the hydrogen is the energy content of the hydrogen (less conversion losses). I suspect many people including Minister Broad cannot grasp this concept. Also Green hydrogen is only as green as the electricity used to produce it (ie hydro, wind and solar produce Green hydrogen). So to burn Green hydrogen in a gas turbine plant to produce electricity (ie electricity → hydrogen → electricity) is just plain crazy but those besotted with the thought of a ‘hydrogen economy’ are so blinded that they cannot see this. So all Dennis can reasonably do is to go along with things doing the minimum to keep the Minister happy.
There are parallels to New Zealand. The Snowy pumped storage project will provide useful experience that NZ can draw on if the Lake Onslow project proceeds. Also Minister Broad reminds me of the Minister of Electricity Tom McGuigan in the 1972 to 1975 Kirk government. When people complained about aspects of hydro power station operations, he decreed operating restrictions to the Department. The then Assistant General Manager (Colin Bambery who did not suffer fools gladly) read the tea leaves correctly – he did not argue (which would have raised Norm Kirk’s ire), he just ensured the Minister’s edicts were followed. As a result the Marsden fuel bill went through the roof and following concerns by Treasury to the Minister of Finance, Tom was sidelined and some sanity returned. I would say that Colin Broad Broad in Canberra is heading down the same path as the hapless Tom McGuigan.
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January 21, 2023 8:02am
- CJames
  
  Good post Peter. The Australian electricity industry is a basket case and the current Government there is rapidly driving it third world.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:30am
  - CJames
    
    And if one sees Australian energy policy as bad, that in the UK is being driven by absolute loonies.
    
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    January 21, 2023 8:35am
    - Inandout
      
      CJ, a recent returnee from the UK said his daughter is now paying 3 times the amount for electricity and that figure is still climbing. No way can household incomes cope with those sort of increases.
      
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      January 21, 2023 8:47am
      - kowtow
        
        But Bojo the Clown thinks Britain carries guilt for inventing the industrial revolution.
        
        Another swivel eyed loon.
        
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        January 21, 2023 8:54am
- cmm
  
  The electricity -> hydrogen -> electricity cycle is extremely inefficient and you’d do much, much, better by just bypassing it with an extension cord.
  
  The other way to get hydrogen is to crack methane and split off the carbon. But you’d do far, far, better by just burning the methane.
  
  Getting O2 as a byproduct is a distraction. Existing methods of collecting oxygen are far more efficient.
  
  The sooner everyone does some basic biology lessons and learns that CO2 is plant food the better.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:36am
  - peterwn
    
    Hydrogen obtained by cracking methane (and similar processes) is called Blue hydrogen to distinguish it from Green hydrogen. Only 5% of hydrogen currently produced is Green hydrogen although this would increase if wind and solar farms are built with the specific intention of producing Green hydrogen. I agree that mentioning oxygen is a distraction, but I mentioned it as oxygen is a potentially useful byproduct from electrolysis although one would not use the process if the sole objective is to produce oxygen. For that matter if you simply wanted oxygen and hydrogen for industrial processes etc, other production methods are generally cheaper than electrolysis.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:07am
  - JJ56
    
    The energy efficiency is under 30%, but the idea would be to be continuously generating the H2 while electricity is cheaper and store for times when its very expensive. Has the storage problem.
    
    In NZ covering peak load has been crawled over and if you must have 100% renewables then using H2 is nowhere near the cheapest. One of the attractive options is biomethane from forest waste, you get a fuel that can just use all the existing infrastructure (pipeline, underground storage, and existing peakers).
    
    BTW blue hydrogen requires CCUS, without that it becomes grey, but I doubt readers really need to bother.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:58am
    - Taieri
      
      One of the attractive options is biomethane from forest waste, you get a fuel that can just use all the existing infrastructure
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      And what would be the energy expenditure required to collect and process the said forest waste?
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:46am
      - JJ56
        
        The energy balance is OK, biomass is around 20MJ/kg and the gasifier might be 70% efficient. No problem on that front, and we are producing a very high value fuel if servicing peakers.
        
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        January 21, 2023 2:32pm
    - peterwn
      
      Since the federal government is already building pumped storage, it seems strange to want to have hydrogen storage for a similar purpose. The only redeeming feature would be to overcome grid constraints (if any) in the Hunter Valley/ Newcastle area. Also the hydrogen would be far better utilised for other purposes such as hydrogen powered vehicles or industrial processes than burning it in an inefficient gas turbine merely to produce electricity. This is especially as there would seem to be no proposal to utilise the waste heat from the plant for an industrial process or providing steam and hot water for a hospital. But it seems Minister Broad and his greenie advisers are too thick to appreciate this. Interestingly a power generation/ waste heat scheme was installed at Fonterra, Te Rapa. But the generation has been decommissioned because presumably it was found to be more trouble than it was worth.
      
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      January 21, 2023 11:45am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Desert photovoltaic power is being constructed with contractually guaranteed electricity prices as low as USD$0.0104/kWh (600 MW Al Shuaiba project in Saudi Arabia), but is generally far from rich western population centers that want it. Electrolysis to make hydrogen from water is up to about 70-80% efficient, and fuel cells or CCGT power plants are about 60% at turning it back into electricity. Meaning round trip efficiencies as low as 40%. But that still yields electricity out the other end at prices lower than typical western wholesale electricity prices (~$0.06-0.08)
    
    Green hydrogen is going to take over because it is cheaper than existing electricity, and can be stored and distributed over long distances efficiently, an ideal, always available renewable source of electricity for summer or winter. It can be used to synthesize hydrocarbons at prices similar to current fossil fuels and so will inevitably supplant fossil fuels for shipping, farming and aviation either as hydrocarbons or hydrogen.
    
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    January 21, 2023 5:24pm
    - JJ56
      
      When you take account of the energy losses from storing and transporting the H2 to Europe (straight energy losses now reachingng around 75%), and the cost of the equipment required and its standing cost when the sun don’t shine (ignored by NL) the hydrogen route will find it hard to compete in Europe.
      
      Saudi are doing this to generate renewable electricity for their own purposes, and with high cooling loads will find a natural match with demand.
      
      Hydrogen from electrolysis is a curiosity, particularly in the NZ where even electricity in heavy trucks look more competitive.
      
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      January 21, 2023 6:17pm
- JJ56
  
  A useful perspective on these issues with a Aussie angle is posted at Judith Curry’s today https://judithcurry.com/2023/01/20/rapid-technological-innovation-not-harmful-renewables-policy-key-to-lighting-our-energy-future
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  I reckon ‘green hydrogen” is the modern equivalent of the medieval alchemy quest of turning lead into gold.
  
  A waste of time and resources .
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Hunter Valley is of course one huge open cast coal mine. The last time I was there, I counted 30 coal carriers swinging at anchor off Newcastle (mouth of the Hunter River) waiting for their turn to dock next to the continuously pouring coal conveyor belt system.
  
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  January 21, 2023 4:12pm
Jade Warrior

And so, Labour’s Maori caucus meets today to decide how they want to approach the party leadership vote. Maybe I am naive about these things but … shouldn’t a party have only one caucus?

What does it say about the influence of the Maori MPs within Labour, and the level of unity within Labour itself if the Maori members are meeting separately? It’s not a good sign and no matter how the leadership vote plays out tomorrow, the stress fractures between the Maori and non-Maori members of Labour will almost certainly fully reveal themselves as the year progresses.

If the new leader kowtows to the likes of Mahuta and Jackson as Jacinda did, the party will keep slipping in the polls. And if they stand up to them, the Labour Party may have to deal with a mutiny by its Maori MPs. I don’t envy the new Labour leader at all.
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January 21, 2023 8:07am
- redeye
  
  Well they made their bed.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:29am
  - Keith White
    
    And then they messed their bed. Trouble is, they want us to lie in it with them. Not gonna happen.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:48am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I wonder if the Maori caucus members each have two votes (or even three) for the new leader, and the other caucus’ within Labour each have one vote? Democracy has changed as we have been told.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:32am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO. Labour is in a hole of its own digging. They are a racially divided mob led by self-proclaimed Maori Elites, Unionists, Communist/Socialist Activists, and past their use by dates ex-Labour Staffers. None of which IMO have a clue about running a country, let alone re-uniting our population.
  PS: If the Maori Caucus don’t get their way in selecting a Maori PM for eight months, what will the consequences be?
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:38am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Nickc2
    “They are a racially divided mob led by self-proclaimed Maori Elites, Unionists, Communist/Socialist Activists, and past their use by dates ex-Labour Staffers.”
    But it is a well known and accepted fact that all of these above are much better at governing the country and managing the economy than RICH business people (of any race).
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:20am
    - Nickc2
      
      Well. it’s certainly worked out well for your so-called successful achievers so far eh?
      Are you trying to extract the urine Gravelroad?
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:35am
      - Gravelroad
        
        @Nickc2
        Am merely reflecting the views of many of the left wing Twitter respondents who believe that rich business people are not to be admired or trusted – especially rich business people with connections to the National Party and even worse, who may even donate money to that party.
        Rich bad.
        But rob the rich good.
        
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        January 21, 2023 10:13am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  What sort of options will the new PM have to deal with the Maori caucus (assuming he wants to)? I gather that they will not pull back on their efforts to divide NZers by race etc, no matter how unpopular they are with the public.
  What might ‘standing up to them’ entail?
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:39am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Be interesting to see if aotearoa’s new PM adopts Ardern’s mantra that democracy needs to become more sophisticated
    
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    January 21, 2023 8:52am
  - cmm
    
    The new PM will be in an even more precarious position than Cindy and will have even less power to deal with any out-of-line caucus members – especially Maori.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:00am
  - Paulus
    
    He – the little boy our new Prime Minister – will not have the ability to do anything that the Maori do not want.
    He is part of the unnatural position, and has not the ability to anything more than Ardern did – or did not do.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hipkins will try a dump the shit, but Labour have shown through 3 waters they can’t be trusted
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:16am
    - david
      
      But he can’t easily dump stuff that Cindy promoted because that would tarnish her legacy.
      Rock. Meet. Hard place
      
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      January 21, 2023 12:43pm
- kowtow
  
  This divisive, running sore needs to be put to bed .
  
  A referendum would sort it out.Fully and finally.
  
  Are we a democracy or are we run by powerful elites within larger organisations .
  
  We all know the answer to that. The Nats won’t support Act on this .
  
  Who runs the Nats.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I would have thought the treaty is shrined in law, I would think a referendum would be against the law, Nats are leaving the crazy stuff to Act
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:19am
    - kowtow
      
      Keep digging.
      
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      January 21, 2023 12:36pm
- leoj
  
  The maori caucus has been in charge for quite some time. Their 16 votes have paralysed Jacinda and she may simply have told them to finally f**k off.
  
  The maorification of New Zealand is on steroids.
  
  Let’s see if Luxon has the guts to undo all this maori crap being rammed down our throats.
  
  So far he is not taking a position so Seymour needs to hold his feet to the fire about a referendum on maori co governance and the treaty. This continuous “compensation” garbage needs to end now.
  
  In the meantime, the country needs to tell the maori caucus to f**k off also.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:40am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    It’s the other way around- the Maori caucus finally Jacinda to f**k off.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:16am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Jacinda is no kind of poker player. You just know that from her face.
      
      She should have called their bluff; without her, the Labour Maori caucus is dog tucker.
      
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      January 21, 2023 4:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well he has stated 3 waters is gone, Māori health authority is gone, all separatist services will stop, then can please their selves with the other nonsense
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:22am
    - leoj
      
      As I wrote, let’s see if he has the guts to undo the maori crap.
      
      He is a maori sympathiser and I will not be surprised if a good chunk of maorification is left in place.
      
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      January 21, 2023 12:29pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        How do you stop maorification? You can’t stand over these news readers like a dictator, that’s what we have now, ministers will behind the scenes be able to say changing names is a cost, and you can’t use the money that way
        
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        January 21, 2023 12:54pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        G – if you want us to believe your beloved blues are up to the job then don’t convey that they aren’t going to be able to get the tough stuff done. This just confirms they are the Labour lite that Redbaiter and KK have been saying. The accusation is that National are becoming believers in the “Te Tiriti espouses a partnership with Maori”. Because of this they don’t actually oppose the culture war we are being subjected to. They might roll back some of the more unpopular aspects but not enough. About as gutless as Key saying he wasn’t going near the anti-smacking legislation that 80% of kiwis disagreed with.
        
        If National don’t show us they will represent us then they are not getting our votes. The argument that means 3 more years of labour greens doesn’t fly. At this stage, until the Nats earn more trust, the best option seems to be to vote ACT to pressure National to do the right thing.
        
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        January 21, 2023 8:30pm
- Yvette
  
  Jade Warrior, the Labour Party is already “co-governed” – Nanai Mahuta v David Parker.
  Jacinda Ardern could not win so is moving on – ‘co-governance has its problems.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:41am
  - pdm
    
    Yvette – I am not sure Parker is in ths Mahuta camp.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:43am
    - Yvette
      
      pdm
      “v” means against “versus”
      like Figueiredo vs Moreno 4 tomorrow on SKY Sport
      I don’t think Parker and Mahuta see eye to eye at all
      Except perhaps in squaring off
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:35am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Wonder if they got up early so that the 9:00 a.m. deadline could be met? – suspect not – much hui to do ….
  “Hipkins could be confirmed as Prime Minister as early as this morning – sources have confirmed to the Herald that there is a push in the Labour Party to unite support behind him. His name might be the only one on the ballot when nominations close at 9am.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-hipkins-most-popular-labour-leaderhship-contender-with-public-poll/NYVJGIHZXVERLD7TLWQMXCWYLY/
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:53am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Interesting isn’t it, how determined they are that there can be only one nomination and nobody else had better dare put forward a second nomination. It’s like they don’t believe in democracy.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:53am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Democracy, Communist style. Everyone in the politburo gets to vote. The smoke filled room-agreed way, of course.
      
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      January 21, 2023 4:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It has happened that way
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:24am
- Flossie
  
  Just when did this Maori Caucus come into being? I might live under a rock but up until a year or so ago I’d never heard of it. Were voters aware of it at the last election?
  Seems like apartheid to me, but then, again that’s the way this country is headed.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They arrived at that themselves, I wouldn’t be surprised if by doing so they claim extra money
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:25am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The Maori Caucus exists as a co-alition Partner. They should campaign as such. They are a separate entity within government, pushing a separatist agenda which Labour never campaigned on.
  
  The current make up of the government has made Labour impossible to govern, as the factions know that they have far more muscle to flex.
  
  We have an Immigration Policy written by Closed Shop Trade Unionists, health policy driven by Race, education driven by different factions of both. Labour has been ripped asunder by identity politics, and Jacinda may well have become sick and tired of herding cats.
  
  Imagine managing a group where one sub group goes off, decides what it wants to do and comes at you with a list of demands. Helen Clark would have told them to piss off.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:06am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    SR – funny how the factions have overtly appeared since they got an outright majority – and also says a lot about the management weaknesses.
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Maori caucus is the Elite preparing the future Coup.
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:43am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Steve O has been saying for a number of months that there is a Maori Elite Coup underway. Jacinda fleeing the ship could be evidence of this.
  
  If that is true then this week we will see Jackson or Mahuta take the leadership of Labour and the country. Ardern has emboldened them and they will want their hands on the reigns until October to enact as much of the Coup as they can.
  
  If the Coup is true, then October elections will be run under the New Democratic framework.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah – under new revised Labour rules baby boy Hipkins is quids in.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:05am
    - JerJer
      
      Besides after the election there will be no Māori nothing. I believe most of the labour Māori MPs are list MPs, so they will be gone. Kelvin Davis might remain but he is no threat in opposition. So that will leave Labour with a couple of the racist seats.
      
      Not sure whether there will be a Māori caucus within National. So the former members of the Māori caucus are going to have to sit around with no voice for the next three terms while their destruction of these last two terms is slowly undone and their language continues toward extinction like many other languages around the world outside the big six that people no longer speak. Everyone needs to remember that language extinction is a normal thing that occurs with evolution, and it cannot be stopped and it’s not racist and not specific to Māori.
      
      The Māori caucus attempts to force their way in New Zealand has failed. It’s failed much faster than I thought actually. They have turned a lot of people that embraced them into people that now despise them. It won’t be easy to come back from that.
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:37am
      - Ghost
        
        I think only 1 or 2 are list
        
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        January 21, 2023 10:46am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      That certainly looks like the most likely outcome.
      
      But if there was ever a group that could do the unlikely it would be this Labour mob.
      
      They have to ratify tomorrow. So what is the purpose of the Maori caucus meeting today?
      
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      January 21, 2023 11:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well he is the only candidate
      
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      January 21, 2023 11:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pineapple,
    Have a look at this blog. There is a lot going on that the media is not reporting to the public.
    http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:12am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Steve – thanks for sharing.
      
      Good to see they are mobilising and are looking for reps around the country to help with running meetings, handing out flyers etc. It is about time we show that the people of NZ aren’t in favour of an ethnonationalist state.
      
      Will you take on the role for your suburb there on the North Shore?
      
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      January 21, 2023 8:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I may. Not sure of where the meetings are yet.
        
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        January 22, 2023 9:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have been saying for a year there has been a threat to Ardern to get out of the way by the Māori caucus, they said they would split from the party if she didn’t
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:27am
- rouppe
  
  The so called Maori caucus meeting separately is just as racist as having a caucus meeting where Maori are excluded
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Or keeping one single Indian out when you are stabbing him
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:56pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It’s called co-governance. Labour will show us how it works.
  
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  January 21, 2023 6:29pm
pdm

BY – I am quite sure almost every one could agree on Health Reforms that benefited all New Zealanders and were not BASED ON RACE.
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January 21, 2023 8:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Great then that Luxon has stated the Māori health authority will be binned
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:28am
Tempist

Good to see the open and public process our most transparent government ever are running to select our next Prime Minister //
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January 21, 2023 8:10am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Tempist-
  Perhaps they should have asked Mr Winston Peters to make the selection again.
  Worked out good last time……..
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:23am
CJames

Looks like Dan Wootton isn’t a fan of Jacinda. That and her Covid policies.
https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/jacinda-arderns-covid-tyranny/
At least he doesn’t have to worry about not getting a wedding invite.
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January 21, 2023 8:14am
- CJames
  
  Dan calls Winston Peters the Nigel Farage of New Zealand. That will upset Nigel.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:28am
Tomtoddy

A bit more balance this morning in the reporting of Ardern’s departure. Prebble in his usual insightful way discusses how Ardern has betrayed her fellow MP’s, the party and the voters as a whole. It is an accurate and mature assessment.

Josie Pagini, a centre left commentator has some sensible comment as well. Most of the rest of the commentary on the resignation is shallow, emotive claptrap. Ardern knew full well the day she first stood in front of the cameras she would be subject to criticism, some justified and some just vile and evil. Sadly, it is part of the job. She would have been shielded from a lot of it in any event.

Maybe there is another reason for the sudden copout yet to be disclosed.
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January 21, 2023 8:15am
- pdm
  
  TT – I am with Thomas Cramer who suggested:
  
  When Ardern fronted Mahuta and Jackson about their Ministerial demotions a few days ago they said – get stuffed it is not happening.
  
  So she resigned rather than confront the issue – she never ever did do the hard yards.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Prior to this weekend the pundits were saying the pardy would be dropping unpopular policies going into the election.
    
    ie some of the Maori stuff .
    
    So yes I think you’re right.
    
    And who knows what else is on the horizon that we’re not being told about .
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    As I’ve stated many, many times over the last 3 years, Ardern is a complete fraud, and when the going gets tough……..well we all saw what happened.
    A narcissist without a shred of moral fibre.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:02am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Did the media ever highlight the same excesses – and they existed – in “feedback” to John Key? Course not.
  
  Im loving the fact that if you even think to criticise her policy, outcomes (or, heaven forbid) “yip, yip” moment, you are a misogynist. Whatever happened to delivery accountability?
  
  Does this mean that holding women accountable for actions / inaction is now a thing of the past? And if so, tell me, as an employer, why I would hire women?
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s the best example of gaslighting that you will ever see and if someone asks you to explain the term, just point them to Clark’s comments.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:04am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Where is the Prebble piece located? Thanks.
  
  He did a great interview with Sean Plunket yesterday morning. It’s located on the Platform pod section.
  
  A quote from him yesterday when everyone was fixated on Jacinda and what she would do next etc…. “Don’t waste bullets on a corpse”.
  
  He’s right. This is about what the all powerful Maori caucus led by Mahuta and backed up by Jackson and Davis will do next. Where does Kiri Allan stand? With or against the Maori caucus?
  
  Other countries have political coups…are we seeing one unfolding inside of our Government right at this very moment?
  
  Does Hipkins have the strength to
  fight off Mahuta for PM?
  
  What are the numbers supporting a right faction leader in a party that has been very left leaning, unionised and indigenised under a Socialist Youth leader?
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The Māori party have said they will sit on the cross benches, Ardern knew without them she would lose
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:31am
Yvette

Jainda’s incredible but simple luck, in actually just muddling through …

Two items on Thursday were disturbing –
First, for its surprising simplicity – Was William getting more sausages for breakfast the reason for the rift with Harry? A former royal butler thinks so – that simple?
And Second, a meme – how could we all be commandeered to believe something with no evidence – Who said Humpty Dumpty was an egg? – certainly not the rhyme, so how wrong can we be?

And on Thursday – Jacinda Ardern resigned

Like John Key before her, Jacinda Ardern has chosen to protect her legacy and save face in the face of a loss. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s politics and yes Jacinda Ardern can include compassion and kindness in her legacy but by golly, she’s also a political master.
And this, this was checkmate.
Unfortunately, it could also mean game over for Labour – Tova O’Brien
– and the rest of her Opinion piece is here –
https://www.todayfm.co.nz/home/opinion/2023/01/tova-obrien-jacinda-ardern-wouldnt-have-quit-if-she-genuinely-thought-she-could-win.html

The fictional Bill Kelly, an ex-priest-turned-fisherman, becomes THE ACCIDENTAL POPE in a novel by Raymond Flynn (a former U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican), and Robin Moore (author of THE FRENCH CONNECTION)
Bill Kelly and Jacinda, THE ACCIDENTAL PRIME MINISTER, have both been exceptionally lucky in their accidents.
In a fucking great thunder and lightning storm, I would go stand close as feasible to Jacinda!
She surely wouldn’t be struck
She is incredibly lucky –
From the media missing it was her that suggested to former flatmate Clare Curran she have coffee with Carol Hirschfeld, or from making the right call March 15, 2019, to recently when her actually nasty retort was picked up faintly by the debating chamber’s microphone, but returned $100,100 for the Prostate Cancer Foundation, with Ardern taking the media kudos (See? – “silly sausage” would not have cut it)

So, lucky
Like when Closed Kingdom New Zealand was finally unlocked, after impulsive intuition and hesitancy (see NEXT Magazine interviews), the virus had mutated from Delta to the less serious Omicron.
Lucky, huh? QED

But the simple reality could be that the “go-governance” corner which the Maori Caucus and Jacinda painted herself into was another “accident” – but finally a mistake that has no foreseeable lucky outcome.

So Jacinda has cut-out before her luck really does the same – leaving too many sausages on the plate, and no Waitangi Day bacon and bangers breakfast will see them go – may be why it is really cancelled this year?

So, Jacinda’s replacement will either be chosen to try to still push them uphill to the precipice that Jacinda foresees.

Or a change of direction will leave a group of heavily invested “shareholders” deprived of what was nearly in their grasp, and National will take over, with Seymour demanding the dismantling of Taumata Arowai’s Advisory Council (“total governance”) down to Regional Entity (just “co-governance”), if he is as smart as Neve.

So there will be cries of a second colonisation – even although self-engineered – that may exhaust anyone’s only half-full tank, if they are unlucky enough to be Prime Minister
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January 21, 2023 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  I don’t think she’s lucky.
  
  She’s had a huge amount of cover and actual support from her adoring media .
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:06am
  - Keith White
    
    Agreed. It’s easy to appear lucky when the cards are stacked, the dealer is corrupt, the house provides an edge, and you’re playing with OPM (Other People’s Money).
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:51am
    - Yvette
      
      Keith – her impulsive intuition, starched cards, corrupt dealer, house edge, OPM – all in a row, and that ain’t lucky? :o)
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:40am
  - mawm
    
    Kowtow – and she was just following orders. None of it was due to her initiative.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:15am
cmm

Has anyone else noticed that there are more sea snakes in Aotearoa than in New Zealand?
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January 21, 2023 8:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Are they the dreaded ‘taniwha?’
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:33am
Scooter

Winston Peters being interviewed on The Platform, is hinting of some important developments coming out in Mar that may lead to an early election, from 5mins if you can’t bear listening to it all. Another Winston bluff and bluster or maybe the real reason she’s out.

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/winston-peters-on-jacinda-ardern-resigning-as-prime-minister
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January 21, 2023 8:33am
- septic skeptic
  
  Oh, right. Winston knows something is up but won’t say what. We have heard this same bullshit from Winston for decades. He really should come up with some new tricks to impress the gullible.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:40am
  - kowtow
    
    I have no time for the man at all.
    
    However March is not long to wait .
    
    Unlike “climate catastrophe” where the deadlines for the end of the world keep getting pushed out another decade , every decade ……….
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:39pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well don’t hold ya breath till March
      
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      January 21, 2023 12:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He has been saying for a year there will be an early election, the date has been called, once the GG signs it that’s it
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:33am
NK

Karaka millions day. Come on Legarto!!
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January 21, 2023 8:40am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Tony and Phillip, owners of Legarto, were a year behind Lindsay Tisch at Matamata College many years ago. Their filly and their Levante have achieved a hell of a lot more than did Lindsay Tisch in the 18 years he warmed a seat in parliament.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:19am
Tony Stuart

Nice to see a piece from a journalist that critically examines Jacinda Ardern’s actual record as PM, rather than just offering platitudes:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jacinda-ardern-over-promised-and-under-delivered/
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January 21, 2023 8:47am
- cmm
  
  Come on, she over-aspired and had bad luck.
  It’s the thought that counts. At least she cared!
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    I will of course remember her as kind – of useless.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:09am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      That is kind. Worse than useless is more accurate unfortunately.
      
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      January 21, 2023 6:34pm
curry4me

https://www.theepochtimes.com/cdc-left-serious-adverse-events-off-post-vaccination-surveys-despite-knowledge-of-possible-link-documents-show_4988809.html?ea_med=desktop_health&ea_src=ai_recommender&ea_cnt=2

CDC Knowingly Left Serious Adverse Events off Post-Vaccination Surveys, Documents Show.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) didn’t include serious adverse events like heart inflammation on post-vaccination surveys even though the agency knew the issues could be linked to COVID-19 vaccines, documents show.
Even before the surveys were rolled out in December 2020 after the first vaccines were authorized, the CDC knew that myocarditis—a form of heart inflammation since confirmed as being caused by the Pfizer and Moderna shots—and other serious adverse events were of “special interest” when it came to the vaccines, according to a newly disclosed version of the protocol for the survey system.
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January 21, 2023 8:54am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USZ4801V3uU

Chris Gagsdale Cobb County Superintendent Gives Update Regarding District’s Own Review of #ScamLab

4,754 views Jan 21, 2023
“In the last 48 hours we have conducted a thorough review of district purchasing. Based on that review I want to assure parents, the Cobb community, the CCSD team members and the board that the district has no record of purchasing any service or product from Teaching Lab nor Quintin Bostic. We will continue to monitor the situation as appropriate, just as we would any other concerning allegation of violation of state law, state board policy or a policy of this board.”
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January 21, 2023 8:54am
Bridgenag

UK Doctors speak out

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/everyone-in-the-world-should-watch?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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January 21, 2023 8:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I like the cartoon with the elephant. So true.
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:43am
Tony Stuart

Conventional wisdom would suggest the Labour Party leadership will be a contest between two tickets; Chris Hipkins/Carmel Sepuloni and Michael Wood/Kiri Allan.

At this point, the Hipkins/Sepuloni ticket would seem to be the most likely. But don’t forget that Wood/Allan will have support from Labour’s Maori caucus, the trade union caucus, and a very significant rainbow caucus.

I would suggest that Wood/Allan will also have the support of another caucus; the National Party caucus. Both Wood and Allan are lightweights who speak in slogans, and both have already had very public policy setbacks.
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January 21, 2023 9:00am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  How many more sleeps until we find out?
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Tony – I find it impossible to believe that Wood will ever be allowed to forget his “rivers of filth” outburst.
  I know personally that I have zero interest in anything the man says or does due to that hateful rhetoric thrown at regular NZ citizens. I imagine most decent people would feel the same way?
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:21am
  - kevn
    
    @Clan… wood for brains was just trying to curry favour with his boss by being sooo clever. Prick.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Yesterday there wasa good interview on Newstalk zb with Barry S.
    
    He was delightfully dismissive of Wood , whom he said was referred to around parliament as “the Little General”
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:27am
  - Keith White
    
    I don’t intend to let the people who injured my child and locked me out of my country, ever forget what they did.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Carmel Sepuloni would be a positive for Labour in retaining its Pasifika faithful.
  
  There must be many Pasifika organisations in NZ that are wondering why health, welfare and education resources are being poured disproportionately into Maori-run enterprises.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:36am
  - Nickc2
    
    What has Sepuloni achieved to date? Zip, squat, nada IMO. She’s just another socialist activist.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:40am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I agree that she’s lazy with respect to her Ministerial portfolios…. but that’s besides the point.
      
      The point is – she won’t be pushing the Maori Caucus agenda.
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:05am
- septic skeptic
  
  Hipkins/Mahuta? To buy the Maori caucus support?
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:43am
- Paulus
  
  Hipkins as and Allen as Deputy to salve Maori support.
  After all Allen is a Lesbian so following Robertson is OK and a Maori.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:09am
Tasman devil

I fervently hope Michael Wood gets the role as he is unelectable.

His stuff up over the two year residence rule for nurses wanting to emigrate here shows just how out of touch he is with planet earth.
Moreover, please could somebody tell him that the Brylcream became unfashionable before he entered planet earth. So did the smarmy over confident persona.
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January 21, 2023 9:11am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

If Nanaia were to win the vote and become Prime Minister tomorrow, would her husband still be known as…. ‘The First Cousin?’

Asking for one of the girls from tennis.
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January 21, 2023 9:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The first Chap
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:01pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Or perhaps “The First Consultant”
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:40pm
kevn

@Tony… m.wood for brains? Bring it on.
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January 21, 2023 9:16am
Yvette

So what is the rumour that Winston knows and will not reveal (in case it is wrong) that speculates an event in March could precipitate an early Election.
And is it the same one I am thinking of? :o)
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January 21, 2023 9:40am
- DimChappie
  
  Any clues? I am fascinated by how he can know it will be in March. FOI request? Court case date?
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  [Mod – not going to approve this so you can stop trying]
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Congratulations Chris Hipkins, PM.
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January 21, 2023 9:41am
- kowtow
  
  So when he losses the GE will the media call out all the “misandry” out there ………
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:46am
- septic skeptic
  
  Time to really put the education sector under the microscope. Let’s show NZ what “delivery” means under Hipkins.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:47am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Commiserations Chris Hipkins, PM.
  
  Forever to be known as the recipient of Arderns amazing hospital pass.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I hope it hits him square in the face. He deserves every bit of it.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is selfish, she doesn’t care a damn about the country
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:03pm
70andstilllearning

So according to $tuff Hipkins it is!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300789158/live-chris-hipkins-set-to-become-pm-only-nominee-for-labour-leadership
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January 21, 2023 9:41am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  As the sole contender it would appear Hipkins has it in the bag.
  
  It looks like this is a move by the rest of Labour to put the Maori caucus in their place. They had got too big for their boots under Ardern. What did they have to hold over JA but not Chris Hipkins?
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:08am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Still to “ratified” by the caucus tomorrow but should happen – they’d be nuts not too … but …… today’s other meeting could result in anything 🙂
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:13am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      I agree 70andstilllearning. Never rule out the unexpected- especially with this special group of people.
      
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      January 21, 2023 10:58am
  - rockape
    
    Not interested in a
    Achievement just in bringing on the next generation of socialists. Luxon has education reform as a major priority he plans to train for careers and jobs not for political indoctrination. Teachers better watch out, you m@y get paid on the educational achievements of your students.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      One can only hope, Luxon being a CEO will know how to deal with the vulgar unions
      
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      January 21, 2023 1:05pm
I remember when

Bowalley Road: In Praise of Individualism:
Economic historian, Jeremy Black, pondering why Great Britain rather than the larger, more prosperous France kicked off the Industrial Revolution, contrasts the less centralised and more liberal government of the British Isles with the highly centralised and bureaucratic regime of the absolute Bourbon monarchs.

How quickly we forget the lessons of history.
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January 21, 2023 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Never forget how many of the Industrial Revolution pioneers were Scots.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:10am
  - Swifty
    
    Damn right.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:28am
  - Mike
    
    Who generally had to move to the more liberal environment of England to make their mark.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:16am
  - Swifty
    
    I read a while back that in the history of the Nobel hard science prizes there has only been one awarded to a Muslim.
    
    One. And he was working in a US University.
    
    Meanwhile there has been, from memory, something like 150 awarded to Jewish scientists – and from a population one hundredth of the size of the Muslim population.
    
    I wonder why that is.
    
    Islamophobia probably. 🤣
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:58am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Scots had coal, Irish didn’t. Which explains most of the terrible history of Ireland in last 200 years.
    
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    January 21, 2023 3:37pm
    - Matt Long
      
      We need to level the playing field, force the Scotts not to burn coal or extract oil.
      
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      January 21, 2023 7:37pm
- kowtow
  
  Protestant Work Ethic .
  
  Frogs won’t ever have it.
  While the Brits have abandoned it.
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:50pm
  - Jack5
    
    China was a great early source of invention: papermaking, the compass, gunpowder, and printing.
    
    It’s innovating again. China is leading the world in number of international patents.
    
    https://news.yahoo.com/china-extends-lead-over-u-090705007.html
    
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    January 21, 2023 8:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From the Stop Co-Governance blog:
There is some talk circulating that the real reason the crime minister 3C was crying as it resigned was that under the Magna Carta 1215 she faced prosecution for multiple crimes so jumped ship before this could be enacted.
BTW history majors perhaps a look at actual facts about the Weimar Republic would explain a lot more with regards to 1920’s 1930’s Germany.

Any truth in this? I honestly just don’t know enough.
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January 21, 2023 9:47am
- Keith White
  
  Steve, as much as I personally and professionally favour the modern-day equivalent of a Nuremberg Tribunal for crimes against the health and freedom of the population, I don’t think that’s realistic.
  
  What I think is possible, is that the Government-Bureaucrat Complex will throw my ex-NZ-profession under the bus by saying/wailing “we only followed the doctors’ advice!” It’s then possible that when the Knights of the Craven Table realise they are getting thrown under the bus, there will be some juicy leaks.
  
  There is one leak already which shows that the Government / Prime Minister resolutely opposed advice about delaying the follow-up shot from 2 weeks to 8 weeks, which would have reduced the already-known but never-published-in-NZ risk of myocarditis in younger people.
  
  I personally (not professionally) know of seven people in that age group with varying degrees of cardiac crippling who are coldly furious about what happened to them. And unlike me, they’ve got quite a few years and a lot more energy to hold people to account.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:58am
  - mawm
    
    I wonder what stories Bloomfield has to counteract that the shifting of blame.
    
    I wonder how many of the furious youngsters in your group are going to develop severe myocardial dysfunction in the next few years. They will not have the energy to devote their time to seeking redress or holding to account.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A Coup will not be a takeover with weapons, it will be done by stealth, right under our noses.
    By the time we find out it will be too late.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:55am
    - Nickc2
      
      I agree, a whole lot has happened with regard to Maori aspirations that were never legislated for. Changing NZ’s name was a prime example coupled with name changes to Govt Entities, all without consultation with the majority of NZers.
      
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      January 21, 2023 12:08pm
    - kowtow
      
      Lord Sumption says democracy arerarely lost due to external factors.
      They die from within .
      That’s what we’re witnessing right now , before our eyes .
      
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      January 21, 2023 12:52pm
- fernglas
  
  “Any truth in this? I honestly just don’t know enough.”
  I do. It’s bullshit. Magna Carta has no legal status in this country and contains no criminal offences.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:05am
  - Mike
    
    Not quite correct. Parts of Magna Carta are explicitly part of NZ statute law by virtue of the Imperial Laws Application Act.
    But yes. that website is chocks with pseuolegal rubbish. Anyone raving on about Magna Carta, the Nuremberg Code or the Geneva Convention etc is almost certainly full of shit.
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:23am
    - Keith White
      
      I’m curious why you consider the Nuremberg Code irrelevant. The first section reads:
      
      “The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.”
      
      What don’t you agree with?
      
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      January 21, 2023 11:38am
      - Mike
        
        It is being used as if it had relevance to crazies’ desire for a Nuremberg-type tribunal to prosecute imagined crimes in relation to the Covid pandemic.
        
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        January 21, 2023 11:59am
      - rockape
        
        That it’s law ! Where is it in NZs statutes .Post that !
        
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        January 21, 2023 12:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    “But it was, and remains, an expression of fundamental law. Its most
    important Chapters – 39 and 40 – are combined in the Reprinted Statutes of
    New Zealand as Chapter 29:
    29 Imprisonment, etc. contrary to law. Administration of Justice
    No freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his freehold or
    liberties or free customs, or be outlawed or exiled, or any otherwise destroyed;
    nor will we not pass upon him nor condemn him but by lawful judgment of
    his peers or by the law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or
    defer to any man, either justice or right”
    
    https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/speechpapers/29_06_08.pdf
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:57pm
Maggie Pie

Winston Peters tells SkyNews Aus last night…..

“My country needs me”

LOL!!
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January 21, 2023 9:54am
- mawm
  
  It probably does but trust lost is seldom regained.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They needed the nasty old bastard 6 years ago
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:06pm
kevn

@SteveO… Don’t worry mma is googling it right now for an answer. Google is his friend.
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January 21, 2023 9:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kevn – closely followed by Wackypedia……
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mike has replied to ferglass
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:57am
Maggie Pie

Kiri Allan to be Deputy.

My money was on Tamati Coffee.

Just saying.
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January 21, 2023 10:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  MP – well they certainly tick all the rainbow boxes to coin a phrase……
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:27am
- kowtow
  
  Either way it’s not about competence ( with such a shallow pool to chose from) , it’s optics.
  
  So much for running a govt , all about appearances.
  
  Same with the Biden/Harris ticket .
  
  What a shit show.
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:32am
- Jimbob
  
  That guy cost Bill English the PM job, if he didn’t get in, National would have won in 2017.
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:35am
slightlyrighty

The only candidate left with anywhere near the ability to do the job and dumb enough to put his name forward…..

So who is going to do all the other jobs that Chris (Mr Fixit) Hipkins got lumbered with.

He really is the go to man when the incumbent proves not up to the job!
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January 21, 2023 10:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He has been minister of health, education, police, and covid and all are a shambles
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/what-if-maori-had-been-banned-from-having-a-public-meeting-to-express-their-views/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Banned-blog-1.pdf
The links are not working, but they will later.
Things are heating up.
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January 21, 2023 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here is the PDF with the links working now:
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Banned-blog-indesign.pdf
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

One word I have not heard or seen from Jaspinda is “SORRY”
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January 21, 2023 10:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s too late to apologise
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSM3w1v-A_Y
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Jimmy Dore is struggling with it. Good video of him here talking about Joe Rogan’s publicly stating he’s going to forgive everyone who shat on him in the last couple of years.
    Jimmy admires him and he’s going to try hard, but it will be a battle. I’m with Jimmy.
    The one thing I’m sick of hearing is people saying “it’s over, time to move on.”
    It’s astonishing that so many have no idea how grating and insensitive that comment is.
    
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    January 21, 2023 10:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Here’s the link I forgot to put in. Might be time for another coffee.
      
      https://youtu.be/O9bNANBIOUE
      
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      January 21, 2023 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvbQzRAi4wM
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Why would she .
  
  Simon Wilson in his Whoreald hagiography has said she saved lives , esp old ones , protected “vulnerable communities” ( whatever they are) and saved many from “long covid” ( even though science is already questioning whether that even exists) .
  
  So there.
  
  St Jax of the Vax.
  
  Anything else is heresy to be burned at the stake.
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:49am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    A good discussion about “long covid” here.
    
    Long Covid is a Social Construct
    Sequelae from viral infection are very real; our magical mythical shape-shifting Long Covid syndrome, not so much.
    
    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/long-covid-is-a-social-construct
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:20pm
    - Keith White
      
      How many symptoms of Long Covid are actually symptoms of getting Protein-Spiked… There are a couple of studies already running overseas on this.
      
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      January 21, 2023 1:40pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Keith – exactly. The evidence will come eventually, as it has been for the last few months and gathering pace.
        
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        January 21, 2023 2:53pm
  - Swifty
    
    Wilson proved to us again just recently that it’s now pointless reading his columns.
    
    He spoon feeds us spin, we come away no better informed and feeling a little dirty for having read him.
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:39pm
    - kowtow
      
      Couldn’t agree more about the uselessness of his pap .
      
      However , given he’s one of the major writers in NZ it’s worth seeing what crap “they” are coming up with .
      
      I just wonder how many people take their lead from these ‘opinion” formers ,like in the UK where the right on crowd hang on every word from the BBC or Guardian , before they can come up with what they’ll pretend is their opinion.
      
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      January 21, 2023 1:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Jaxxie only apologises for other people’s mistakes. Never her own.
  
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  January 21, 2023 4:27pm
Swifty

Hipkins, as Education Minister, instead of vigorously championing innovation in education, chose to close partnership schools.

By doing so he told New Zealanders that he doesn’t rate student achievement as his top priority – rather that the retention of the state monopoly and preservation of union interests are his primary concern.

But to be honest, that from him was predictable as he was merely doing what he was told by his masters. What really disappoints me are the NZ parents, particularly Maori and Pacific, who keep voting, election after election, for the people who condemn their kids to leave school unable to read, write and add up – after thousands of hours of schooling.

They’re just brainwashed I guess.
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January 21, 2023 10:27am
- doggone7
  
  I’m not sure how you got to Hipkins changing the arrangements of partnership schools, (not closing the institutions) meaning he doesn’t rate student achievement as his top priority.
  
  And if preservation of union interests are his primary concern why has there been no massive acquiescence to teacher unions on their salary and conditions claims?
  
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  January 21, 2023 10:57am
  - Swifty
    
    By ‘changing the arrangements’ Hipkins shouted to the world that he doesn’t care if partnership schools deliver excellent results, far superior to state schools, he is going to stymie them.
    
    Drown them at birth.
    
    The fact that parents and children, many of whom the state system had already failed, who had their hopes of brighter futures dashed was clearly of no concern to him. Or at least of so little concern that it didn’t stop him.
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:36pm
  - Swifty
    
    Just to emphasise, it was the Labour Party’s position that irrespective of the success partnership schools delivered they were always going to smash them.
    
    If that’s not putting ideology before actual results then I don’t know what is.
    
    The parents and children were just cannon fodder for Labour’s political interests.
    
    One of the most cynical and utterly shameful NZ public policy decisions I’ve seen in my lifetime.
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:50pm
    - Keith White
      
      Keep hold of your beer, I’m sure there are more cynical and shameful decisions to come.
      
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      January 21, 2023 1:41pm
- rockape
  
  Not interested in a
  Achievement just in bringing on the next generation of socialists. Luxon has education reform as a major priority he plans to train for careers and jobs not for political indoctrination. Teachers better watch out, you m@y get paid on the educational achievements of your students.
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I wonder which NZ journalist will be first to ask Chippy re his involvement around the decision to remove critical information about potential harm to young people?
  He was the covid minister at the time. Surely something like this couldn’t happen without his approval?
  
  In addition, there is clear evidence in the official documents that it was agreed that references to increasing dosing intervals as a method of potentially providing some protection against myocarditis should be removed from public communications.
  
  The Cabinet paper for 16 August, prepared by New Zealand’s Covid Minister, Chris Hipkins noted that, “subsequent advice from CV TAG in August, supported the inclusion of all children aged 12 to 15 years in the Immunisation Programme”. The paper continued, “based on the advice received from the Director-General of Health, I recommend that Cabinet agree to proceed with using the Pfizer vaccine for children aged 12 to 15 years”.
  
  https://www.voicesforfreedom.co.nz/blog/post/covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1
  
  Or will the 4th estate go missing in action? Again?
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:50am
  - greybeard
    
    How can anyone use the word “immunisation” when discussing CV-19 vaccines ?
    
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    January 21, 2023 5:16pm
ClanMcleod

Renowned satirical cartoonist Bob Moran’s latest offering features Dear (former) leader Ardern.

https://www.bobmoran.co.uk/other-work/heartbreaker-original-artwork

Ouch.

A good buddy of mine bought one of his originals for 300 quid before he got popular. His originals now sell for 12,000 to 15,000 quid. Not a bad investment.
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January 21, 2023 10:30am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  ouch indeed. perhaps we should club together and buy it for her as our farewell gift?
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:27pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If she was forced to superglue it to her bathroom mirror so it’s the first thing she sees when she gets up every day, I’ll chip in.
    
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    January 21, 2023 3:05pm
I remember when

Something I wasn’t aware of that seemes to need to be important general knowlege.
Was listening to national talkback radio during the week on the subject of learning to swim/drowning.
A woman caller mention that when swimming to help someone in distress you should dive under the water just before you reach them and come up behind them to gain control.
This allows you to avoid being pulled under by the person in difficulties, often with fatal consequences.
Sounded sensible and I don’t recall hearing about this before.
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January 21, 2023 10:46am
- rockape
  
  I was taught that as a 10 year old in the Govan Swimming pool in 1956.
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I learnt that as a kid as well. A person panicking will grab you and force you under. Happened in the Waikato river of all places. I am a good swimmer, not by olympic standards, but I will not drown. Panicking is what kills people.
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:13pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, I can guarantee after rescuing people in the sea in the 80s a drowning desperate person will bloody near kill you both as they lunge and help drag you down
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I was taught that if you see somebody in difficulty swimming at Tindalls, the safest option is to go straight back inside and make out you hadn’t noticed.
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Look after number one?
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:09pm
- kowtow
  
  I reckon what’s more important is knowing your own limitations before getting into water , rough or otherwise , keeping children close , not diving into unknown water etc .
  
  Anyway every time it gets hot more people drown. Simple as that .
  
  Perhaps councils should fence off all coast lines , lakes and river banks.
  
  That way we’ll all be safe ……….
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mishaps do happen. I have seen the results from crossing the Mangawhai Bar. Guys just thrown out of boats, because they don’t know what they are doing.
    Rule for me is, if the surfers are out leave your boat on the hard.
    On the Bar keep ahead of the wave behind you, but don’t breach the wave you are on. 50+ years on the water has taught me a few things. Never had a mishap so let’s keep it that way.
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:16pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    What the sea needs is more road cones and scaffolding.
    
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    January 21, 2023 6:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I was not taught that…
  
  The Royal Life Saving Society NZ’s advice is to approach a conscious struggling swimmer to within 3m and to calmly communicate with them and explain how you will carry out your rescue.
  
  To pass your RLSS exams you have to show that you can employ defensive techniques to escape from a hold if you have been grabbed by the panicking victim.
  
  https://cdn.fld.nz/uploads/sites/lifesaver/files/PDFS_2022/RLSSNZ_Instructor_Resource_2018_final.pdf (p.31)
  
  I doubt if I’d be willing to tackle a drowning adult victim out in a pounding sea nowadays…. but I think I’d still know how to cope in a deep pool or lake.
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I will read that later. Thanks.
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:18pm
Lee C

I agree with this article:
https://hatchardreport.com/jacinda-arderns-legacy-of-national-division-and-excessive-use-of-power/
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January 21, 2023 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Last paragraph is good.
  
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  January 21, 2023 1:20pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Just a wee update on his out of date… days to get a visitor visa.
  
  An overseas friend hit the send button(online application) for a visitor visa on Friday 16th Dec. The website says allow 51 days.
  
  Bingo, approved on Monday 19th.
  
  I think Guy might be a tad out of date.
  
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  January 21, 2023 3:26pm
Philview

I will put my hand up and say up to this point I have had a soft spot for Chris Hipkins as find him quite likeable. However, he now has to be the face of all the awful Labour policies I can’t stand. He will have to justify Co-Governance, critical race theory, fair pay awards, soaring crime, educational failure, wokeism on steroids. Good luck Chris, I suspect you will need it.
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January 21, 2023 10:59am
- DeepBlue
  
  Ummm, CRT in schools is his doing.
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Also he was covid minister when critical information was deliberately removed because it might negatively impact vaccine uptake in young people.
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1
  
  They put politics over the health of the young under his leadership. It is a question that hasn’t been asked yet. Why?
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:01pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Nope. He destroyed charter schools and implemented gross centralisation in everything he touched. The new NCEA agenda is his handiwork too, along with “Maori Science” and the new history curriculum.
  
  Then there is the under achievement of COVID and the chronic absenteeism that nothing is being done to address
  
  At best he can be said to be only doing what his mum told him to!
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:29pm
Swifty

Jacinda ‘addressed’ the housing crisis according to this English luvvie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5NIBjR9YAg
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January 21, 2023 11:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Swifty – that has to be the most delusional nonsense I’ve listened to in a very long time.
  Poor Amy.
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:13pm
  - Swifty
    
    I sure as hell can’t think where she is getting her misinformation from.
    
    And if she is spreading misinformation, then shouldn’t the left be howling for her arrest and punishment? And that of Kiwis who spread it.
    
    Like me.
    
    😀
    
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    January 21, 2023 12:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Poor Amy. yes. The tentacles of Jaspinda reach a long way! Completely brainwashed with misinformation. Does Amy read ‘Stuff?’
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:26pm
Mike

About time we had another prime minister from the Hutt.
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January 21, 2023 11:25am
- Keith White
  
  Jabba?
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    January 21, 2023 11:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    We could have joined the realm of Prince Graham:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River
    
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    January 21, 2023 5:52pm
ClanMcleod

Meanwhile in Germany, the pandemicist madness continues……

Germany, “standing atop a billion-dollar mountain of masks” purchased by the panicked Merkel government in 2020, begins to “thermally reprocess” (i.e., incinerate) the rapidly expiring surplus

Burning them, but at the same time stockpiling them. 🤡

… Additionally, the “National Health Protection Reserve is still stockpiling masks. The Reserve was established in mid-2020 by the Merkel government to prevent future shortages. According to the Ministry of Health, there are currently 245 million masks in the reserve, part of which will expire at the end of 2023.

It’s just so astounding, this entirely pointless and still ongoing mass delusion. Masks do nothing to stop infection, we have spent three years learning in excruciating detail that they do nothing to stop infection</i, we are now setting fire to millions of masks heedlessly purchased at the height of pandemic hysteria when there was every reason to expect that masks would do nothing to stop infection, and still we’re pouring millions of Euros into some kind of retarded national strategic mask reserve that will also surely be incinerated in the coming years because masks do nothing to stop infection. Even more unfathomable is this ridiculous fiction that useless products which do nothing can ever “expire.” What is the fear, that expired masks will do even more of nothing than new masks?

Everything about Corona is such a multifaceted ridiculous farce.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-standing-atop-a-billion-dollar?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=97911293&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
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January 21, 2023 11:35am
Tony Stuart

For years now, left-leaning activists have lambasted National for the lack of diversity in its leadership. That’s not withstanding the fact that for a period between 2018 and 2020, both National’s leader and deputy leader were Maori, even if they weren’t Maori enough for Willie Jackson.

So what will the reaction be to Labour selecting a male, heterosexual Pakeha as its new leader, and Prime Minister?
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January 21, 2023 11:43am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I think he’s the best choice Tony. I would have liked to see him there with Allan but I understand she withdrew?
  
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  January 21, 2023 11:56am
Brian McDonald

24 hours a day makes and concerns about Hipkins being stale and pale are dispelled and he is suddenly viewed as a Hutt Valley hipster and young father. So I think the mantle of pale and stale will go back to roly-poly.
With all the excitement and biting wrists and things, I think that it overlooked not only that Luxon’s need to backtrack on his comments about misogynism but he claimed to know what the job of PM was like despite that he is yet to achieve that office. I think he’s going to keep self-inflicted pressure on himself and even his smiles and big handshakes are wearing thin. He’s looking like needs a full-time puppeteer.
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January 21, 2023 11:44am
Maggie Pie

Tell you something that REALLY flicks my bra-strap…

Having a smoke blowing diesel double decker Metro Bus pull out in front of you in Newmarket – and then you see there’s only 2 f–ing people on board.

Come on Wayne – this shit needs sorting out! 🙁
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January 21, 2023 11:54am
- Taieri
  
  Having a smoke blowing diesel double decker Metro Bus pull out in front of you in Newmarket – and then you see there’s only 2 f–ing people on board
  ———–
  
  It needs to be a double-decker if there’re 2 people on board. One upstairs and one downstairs. Otherwise single storey bus would do.
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:24pm
  - Inandout
    
    Tai, I recall the wee Bedford buses that travelled between the city and the hospitals. Petrol I think and just the size needed.
    
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    January 21, 2023 3:59pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Even better was keeping them running through lockdown with no passengers. It would have been cheaper to send taxis along the route instead.
    
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    January 21, 2023 8:59pm
- Don Beckett
  
  So Maggie – which 1 of the 2 flicked your bra strap, and did it cause any undulation? 😆
  
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  January 21, 2023 12:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I was wearing my Sports bra silly!!
    
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    January 21, 2023 1:06pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweets…..

https://twitter.com/HelloItsLevi/status/1616027755136573440
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January 21, 2023 1:48pm
Swifty

Hookers doing a roaring trade at Davos:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11659769/How-pointing-ceiling-bar-Davos-takes-order-sex.html
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January 21, 2023 3:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cruising the Internet thingy, some things catch my eye.
Who is just plain crazy and mentally ill?
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/britney-spears-shocks-fans-changing-160519874.html
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January 21, 2023 3:36pm
Biscuit

Remember when we used to twit Jacinda for her ‘Jessica, then Tova’ habit at press conferences?

After watching Chris Hipkins have to suffer the assembled media at his first presser outside the Beehive I can see WHY a politician might restrict the number of people he/she gives ‘the nod’ to.

Chris isn’t yet confirmed as Prime Minister and prefaced his address by telling the journos that and that, as a result, he wouldn’t be disclosing any policies or saying who was gonna be his deputy or even who would be in his team.

I counted at least six shouted ‘Who will be your deputy?’ or ‘What will you be doing about…?’ questions.

Chris was way more polite in his replies than I would have been!
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January 21, 2023 3:40pm
ClanMcleod

The worm keeps turning. That critical mass is getting ever closer.

Good news! Rasmussen Reports released results of a survey of likely US voters. It turns out that 57% of likely voters want the CDC investigated by Congress on “how the CDC dealt with issues of COVID-19 vaccine safety”.

Seventy percent (70%) of Republicans, 48% of Democrats and 54% of unaffiliated voters say Congress should investigate how the CDC dealt with issues of COVID-19 vaccine safety. Forty percent (40%) of Democrats, 20% of Republicans and 31% of unaffiliated voters oppose a congressional investigation of the CDC.

Majorities of every racial category – 56% of whites, 51% of black voters and 66% of other minorities – believe Congress should investigate the CDC’s handling of vaccine safety.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/57-of-voters-want-cdc-investigated?
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January 21, 2023 3:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Luckily for those voters, investigations are all the majority party in the house of representatives will be doing. They won’t be passing much, if any, legislation.
  
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  January 21, 2023 6:02pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Considering the effects of legislation passed in the last 20 years we can only dream of the same situation occurring here, at least until the end of this year anyway.
    
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    January 21, 2023 7:51pm
Ra Henare

I keep reading about how the USD is going to crash?

Some are saying it will crash by up to 50%.

My question to you pundits.
Crash against what? The NZD, ie NZD will dramatically increase in value against the USD?
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January 21, 2023 3:49pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m no financial expert, but I’ve been hearing for a while how the petrodollar is going to be taken over by the petroyan.
  That’s going to have a major impact on world markets and particularly the US.
  
  The U.S. dollar is the currency most used to purchase oil. Because oil has such a high level of demand, some oil-exporting countries could build up so many dollars they cannot spend them all. These dollars were historically called petrodollars. The term petrodollar now refers to U.S. dollars used by any country to purchase oil from an oil-exporting country.
  
  For the first time, Saudi Arabia, traditionally a very close ally of the US, is talking about trading oil in other currencies.
  
  https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Saudi-Arabia-Is-Open-To-Discuss-Non-Dollar-Oil-Trade-Settlements.html
  
  There is a good read here explaining some of the potentially seismic changes this could lead to.
  
  Credit Suisse contributor Zoltan Pozsar has continued his ongoing series about Bretton Woods III where commodities will dictate the new world order. For his last dispatch of the year, he described how the world is now shifting to a multipolar order “being built not by G7 heads of state but by the ‘G7 of the East’ (the BRICS heads of state).”
  
  https://www.greekmediagroup.com.au/zoltan-pozsar-the-dusk-of-the-petrodollar-the-dawn-of-petroyuan/
  
  US hegemony looks like it’s on the way out.
  
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  January 21, 2023 4:05pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ain’t gonna happen. People continuously underestimate the sheer size of the US economy, not to mention its capacity to refresh and renew.
    
    Have a look at the population demographics of China. Not to mention its command and control economy. Anyone betting on the Yuan is braver than I am.
    
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    January 21, 2023 4:41pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      NMTB – as I said above, I’m no financial expert. It’s why I don’t dabble!
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner said to check this out….scary stuff he reckons!
  
  https://usdebtclock.org
  
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  January 21, 2023 4:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s ‘TRILLION’ by the way 🙁
    
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    January 21, 2023 4:12pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I remember how in 2008 they had to add a zero the debt clock in Times Square.
    
    https://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1850269,00.html
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:27pm
Maggie Pie

Been overdosing on the AO this arvo.

Tell you who I do feel sorry for….those poor girls from EMIRATES who have to stand in 32 degrees of Melbourne heat next to the Players Tunnel all day, wearing those silly corporate burkas.

Imagine it? 🙁
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January 21, 2023 3:59pm
- Biscuit
  
  And, Maggie, the endless SMILES…
  
  I’ve not seen so much happiness on a girl’s face since (don’t bother, Mods, I’ll censor myself!)…
  
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  January 21, 2023 4:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You weren’t referring to ClarkE were you Bikkie??
    
    😛
    
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    January 21, 2023 4:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

House Speaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzt3HJeCic
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January 21, 2023 4:05pm
Swifty

“I knew I had value to Papatūānuku even though I had no value financially. I truly believe I heard her say ‘thank you’ to me. I heard her. I felt the acknowledgement from her. My connection heightened so much because she was all I had. The insects, the flowers, the trees and the wind, and her energy.”

Say hello to our new Environment Commissioner:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/eco-warrior-goes-from-homeless-to-hopeful-as-the-first-maori-environment-commissioner/DZBVMD2FJFENLFWWPATU4I24AE/
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January 21, 2023 4:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Relax Swifty..
  
  This is just a private organization trying to steal some Climate-change $$$.
  
  It’s not a Government organization or appointment.
  
  http://www.maoriclimatecommission.co.nz/purpose/about-us/
  
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  January 21, 2023 4:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thank you Maggy.
    
    I read that as being about her appointment as the first Environment Commissioner of Maori descent – and completely overlooked the Awatere-Huata mention.
    
    Clearly the word ‘commissioner’ is not protected as is say ombudsman, for example.
    
    Good to know though. Next private organisation I set up I’m going to title my role as ‘The Commissioner”.
    
    Swifty, The Commissioner.
    
    Yes, it has a certain ring to it.
    
    😀
    
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    January 21, 2023 6:43pm
    - Mike
      
      I’m not sure the title of Ombudsman is protected.
      
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      January 21, 2023 7:07pm
      - Swifty
        
        Any attempt to use the term has required the head poobah’s signoff.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/whats-in-a-name-court-brings-seven-year-legal-battle-over-the-word-ombudsman-to-a-close/RGCMUVYLF7JSE277L7MZBV6IXA/
        
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        January 21, 2023 7:37pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Delusional. Us, I mean. To think we used to lock such people up.
  
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  January 21, 2023 4:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just another weekend in the Hawkes Bay…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131031170/police-urge-vigilance-after-spate-of-stolen-vehicles-in-hawkes-bay
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January 21, 2023 4:22pm
Ghost

Some videos from WEF

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/davos-attendee-says-quiet-part-out-loud-agenda-create-new-world-order
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January 21, 2023 5:18pm
Ghost

134 days before Jacinda becomes a Dame?
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January 21, 2023 5:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I suspect it will be our highest honor, the Order of New Zealand, which somehow has become the alternative for distinguished NZers too modest to want the title ‘Sir’ or ‘Dame’. Like Jim Bolger, Helen Clark or Richie McCaw.
  
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  January 21, 2023 5:59pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ardern is the very least deserving of an award of anyone in NZ ever. And there are quite a few challengers for that title. But Brenda absolutely smashes it out of the park.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:30pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The number is limited
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

These people are fucking MAD!!
https://twitter.com/DrewHLive/status/1616116247518908417
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January 21, 2023 5:38pm
- Ghost
  
  I actually like NEOM, what don’t you like about it?
  
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  January 21, 2023 5:53pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It looks amazing. //
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jesus H Christ. WTF is the matter with these people?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/davos-attendee-says-quiet-part-out-loud-agenda-create-new-world-order
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January 21, 2023 5:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I agree, Steve. There is a lot wrong with the mind(s) running zerohedge.
  
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  January 21, 2023 5:49pm
Scooter

More race based politics spewing forth. How about what Hipkins and Labour will do for ALL NZ’ers? Oh and I thought Maori have been given millions in Treaty settlements in order to help Maori. Maybe not so much.

“Māori have supported Labour for 100 years. Now they have the largest Māori caucus ever, and we still don’t have a Māori prime minister,” Ngarewa-Packer said.
“Chris [Hipkins] is a good appointment, he is solid, and we will be holding him to account on how he delivers for Māori. He needs to be bold, to not back down from the important kaupapa.”
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January 21, 2023 5:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I agree. It’s quite shocking that the Māori Party is looking out for Māori interests.
  
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  January 21, 2023 5:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike!
    Obvious you have not bothered to visit:
    http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    See you tomorrow after you have accessed it.
    Maybe not, becoming embarrassing for the left.
    
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    January 21, 2023 6:01pm
  - rockape
    
    Don’t MP s have to take an oath to govern for all Newzealanders?
    
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    January 21, 2023 7:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not at all..
      
      They only have to swear/affirm allegiance to the Reigning monarch, his/her heirs & successors.
      
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-involved/features/first-words-when-an-mp-is-sworn-in/
      
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      January 21, 2023 7:33pm
      - Mike
        
        That’s a relief. Much better to swear to serve a foreign potentate than one’s own electorate.
        
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        January 21, 2023 8:17pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    So when are we getting a Pakeha Party? Then a Chinese Party, a PI Party. Maybe we should have a threshold that any group identifying as absolutely anything can have a political party specific to them as long as they represent 5% of the population? Does “identifying” involve having to provide proof? Or like the rainbow people, can we just decide to identify as whatever we want? So confusing.
    
    But then, what about the minorities……?
    Democracy is SO difficult.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:38pm
- graham
  
  “Chris [Hipkins] is a good appointment, he is solid, and we will be holding him to account on how he delivers for Māori.”
  
  Uh-huh.
  
  So obviously, Ms Ngarewa-Packer will have no problem with all non-Maori holding Chris Hipkins to account on how he delivers for, say, white people. Or Asian. Or South African.
  
  Because if delivering for a specific race is the way she wants to go, then let’s do it. Let’s start looking out for my interests, which are rooted in English heritage. According to the 2018 census, of the six major ethnic groups in New Zealand, European comprised 70.2% and Māori comprised 16.5%.
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/ethnic-group-summaries-reveal-new-zealands-multicultural-make-up/
  
  So that means – according to how Ms Ngarewa-Packer apparently wants our country to run – Chris Hipkins should spend over four times as much time, effort and energy delivering for European as he does for Māori.
  
  Sound fair, Ms Ngarewa-Packer?
  
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  January 21, 2023 6:13pm
- Swifty
  
  “Māori have supported Labour for 100 years. Now they have the largest Māori caucus ever, and we still don’t have a Māori prime minister,”
  
  And as long as we have Maori MPs of the calibre of Waititi, Ngarewa-Packer, Jackson, Davis etc they’ll be waiting another 100 years.
  
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  January 21, 2023 6:53pm
  - rockape
    
    When you have such a huge chip on your shoulder it’s hard to govern for ALL kiwis. Until they learn that they are toast other than as a disfunctional group in Labours caucus.
    
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    January 21, 2023 7:19pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Could have had PM and Deputy with Bridges and Bennett. Strange the Maori folks didn’t say much to support them.
    
    Oh that’s right – wrong type of Maori.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:06pm
    - Swifty
      
      They are useless Māoris according to Minister Willie Jackson.
      
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      January 21, 2023 9:30pm
Nostradamus

Chris Hipkins today: “I’m a human being – I’ll make mistakes from time to time, and I’ll try [to] own those mistakes when I make them.”

Is this “I never lie in politics” v2.0? If so, I’d prefer to see a more unequivocal commitment than “try” to own mistakes.
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January 21, 2023 6:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh FFS!!!!

I had thought that with Ardern’s resignation, we would finally be rid of her hogging the Media limelight…. but no, TV One News and RNZ are now running a story about Jacinda’s burnout…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/482865/jacinda-ardern-s-burnout-highlights-the-pressure-world-leaders-face

(sort of makes you wonder how Angela Merkel, Vigdís Finnbogadóttir, Margaret Thatcher, and Helen Clark coped….. let alone how Sheikh Hasina has managed to be a PM for 19 years).
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January 21, 2023 6:51pm
- Ghost
  
  Jacinda burnout is a serious mental health issue, millions of New Zealanders are suffering from it, every time they see her they shiver, lose all hope. Jacinda burnout has caused millions to have ptsd. It’s ok, many are slowly starting to recover from Jacinda burnout after she announced her resignation.
  
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  January 21, 2023 6:56pm
- Mike
  
  It was certainly entertaining to read five years of Kiwiblog comments predicting her imminent resignation due to stress, motherhood, relationship difficulties, etc, etc.
  
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  January 21, 2023 7:19pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    She’s a narcissist and a victim of her own hubris. Get over it. She deserves zero sympathy. She destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of ordinary people for political ends. A prime example of the worst example of humanity.
    
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    January 21, 2023 9:42pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… When ones lies so consistently, it must become hard to remember the truth from fiction/lies.
  It became a full-time acting gig.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:24pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131030736/chris-hipkins-for-pm-what-do-the-people-think
Dear God: the $55m payola is still reaping benefits for Labour: not one dissenting voice against Hipkins.
Will they never learn?
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January 21, 2023 8:11pm
Ghost

‘Notion’ of Jacinda Ardern’s kindness is ‘completely ridiculous’

The “notion” of outgoing New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern’s kindness is “completely ridiculous” to anyone who has an understanding of “what she did” regarding the country’s pandemic border policies, lawyer Tudor Clee says.

“We have to remember the border was open if you were wealthy, or if you were an entertainer or a sportsperson,” he told Sky News host Rita Panahi.

“When I was fighting pregnancy cases pro-bono for 35 families to come back, Jacinda Ardern’s policy allowed 64 foreign DJ’s to fly into New Zealand to make millions of dollars out of us while simultaneously forcing these women into incredibly stressful and difficult situations.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50mt_3I4a_U&t
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January 21, 2023 8:58pm
- Scooter
  
  Abit two faced isn’t it when she preaches kindness then gets caught calling Seymour an arrogant prick.
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:05pm
Swifty

These days I follow our cricket team’s exploits on Cricinfo.

They really follow well the ebb and flow of the game – and I was particularly enthralled the other night watching one of their editors Mr Dikshit going all in for Arshdeep.

Arshdeep Singh, the Indian bowler.
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January 21, 2023 9:25pm
- Swifty
  
  https://www.espncricinfo.com/author/vishal-dikshit-396
  
  https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/arshdeep-singh-1125976
  
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  January 21, 2023 9:29pm
Bruce

Agree Greybeard re $55m still paying dividends. All praise for the new Labour PM Mr Fixit! Funny how they don’t mention the woeful state of the education system under his watch.
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