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Mike

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For the first time in 60 years, we can’t commemorate the accession day of our late beloved sovereign majesty Elizabeth, Queen of New Zealand and other assorted imperial remnants.
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February 6, 2023 8:01am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Have you signed the petition to block Saudi Arabia from sponsoring the women’s World Cup yet?
  
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  February 6, 2023 8:57am
  - pdm
    
    No because FIFA will do want they want anyway.
    
    Can you imagine Chippie and Robbo (Sports Minister) looking them in the eye and saying no way to Saudi sponsorship?
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:45am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    No, and I won’t because there are much better ways to get your point across.
    
    My suggestion is for Amnesty International to hold a women’s soccer match at a stadium, but have all the players in a full Burka, and each player attended by a male who has been tasked with telling the woman what to do.
    
    It would look ridiculous, and draw attention to the sort of rules Saudi women are forced to live under, and if they sold tickets, would be an interesting fundraiser.
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:02am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      It would be great but immediately attract accusations of racism, religious oppression and mocking Islam.
      
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      February 6, 2023 11:27am
- chuk
  
  61 years Mike, not 60.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:13am
  - Flossie
    
    Am I wrong? I thought she came to the throne 71 years ago today.
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:50am
    - Mike
      
      Sorry. Maths be hard.
      
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      February 6, 2023 11:08am
      - chuk
        
        I agree Mike. Maths is hard. It’s 71 years since her father died on 6 February 1952. Not 60 years nor the 61 years I noted above.
        
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        February 6, 2023 1:32pm
    - chuk
      
      You’re not wrong Flossie. Mike was wrong and so was I.
      
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      February 6, 2023 1:34pm
Scott

Waitangi day and its attendant controversy is upon us once again. The Waitangi Tribunal has recommended that all Crown land in northland be returned to its former tribal owners. There is a call for massive compensation to Maori and that the Northern tribes didn’t sign over sovereignty?

One cannot imagine how NZ can continue in its correct form. We appear to be devolving into a tribal ethno state.

David Seymour is the only one speaking against this. For the first time in my life I’m seriously considering voting Act.

Can we please stop feeling so guilty about what happened in the 19th century? The truth is our ancestors treated the Maori folk beautifully. We should honour our ancestors and be grateful for the wonderful country they passed on to us.
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February 6, 2023 8:03am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The Waitangi Tribunal is an example of cogovernance. Just look at its membership to see it is over represented by Maori. Effectively we have handed the children the keys to the Lolly shop. No surprises with what is happening with that strategy.
  
  Gifting bs rights to industrialised fishing, radio waves, television networks etc are all examples of the Waitangi Tribunal taking the piss and getting away with it.
  
  The trouble with trying to appease a child having a tantrum is you just reinforce that their strategy works resulting in bigger and more frequent tantrums.
  
  It is time for the Waitangi Tribunal to be ceased.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:07am
  - David Garrett
    
    Pineapple: the WT also decreed that Maori owned offshore oil and gas – not recoverable until technology advanced sufficiently in the 1970’s. That was of course before said oil and gas was denounced as an enemy of Gaia.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
    Tomorrow he will be back demanding another fish.
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:14am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Could I please have a fishing rod and net 🍺😃👍🏻
      
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      February 6, 2023 11:27am
    - cjn
      
      Zelensky?
      
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      February 6, 2023 7:05pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Nobody has given him or his nation the technology to make the weapons, besides he & his whole nation are a little preoccupied!
        
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        February 6, 2023 10:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/omg-maori-now-saying-they-didnt-sign-over-sovereignty-in-1840/
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    How would they know
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:28am
- David Lenny
  
  The truth is our ancestors treated the Maori folk beautifully.
  
  Some did, others didn’t, whether judged by past or present standards.
  
  Just as claims that colonialism was a unique and unmitigated evil tend to destroy the claimants’ credibility, so too does the rose-tinted opposite narrative.
  
  Though I agree that current policies and politicised historical distortions will turn NZ into a failing ethno state, we should at least acknowledge historical wrongs and, if possible – which is not very much – rectify them without destroying ourselves in the process, while focusing on our common, non-racialised future.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:27am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The truth is also that some Maori treated other Maori appallingly, brutally, and in many cases fatally. One of the major reasons they asked the Crown to intervene, rule over all New Zealanders and enforce the rule of law. Which they did.
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:30am
    - MCōs
      
      Pakeha were pretty brutal to each other too. That’s why a lot of them came out here.
      
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      February 6, 2023 12:32pm
      - Mike
        
        Really? I thought they came here to bring the benefits of civilization to the ignorant savages.
        
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        February 6, 2023 1:07pm
      - MCōs
        
        That was the missionaries
        
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        February 6, 2023 4:33pm
- Justitia
  
  I have never felt “guilty” for one minute and I believe those who affect “guilt” are either virtue signalling or have a psychiatric disorder, or both. Colonisation brought the rule of law and new technologies. Yes, sh#t happened and where some people were unfairly treated we have tried to address that. Unfortunately these good intentions have been preyed upon and exploited by the unscrupulous who seek to undermine New Zealand’s future as a successful modern democracy.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:41am
Pongo

Havent watched the TV news in years, its always awful and my evenings are much more relaxing for having avoided it.
Just read the article from Jenna Lynch and yes avoiding TV3 is still a great call. She couldnt possibly have reported a largely peaceful day with well received and worded speeches and explored that, oh no we get this utter crap:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/02/newshub-reid-research-poll-what-should-country-s-official-name-be.html
I guess they dont pay her very much and you get what you pay for.
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February 6, 2023 8:05am
- Southern Raider
  
  I noticed on that Homes in the Country (or whatever it was called) that TvOne was playing during the holidays at 7pm, that the young host keep referring to Aotearoa and not once said New Zealand
  
  I had to laugh when he was looking at homes for a retired English couple who had just moved here and he asked them what they thought of Aotearoa and what made them move to Aotearoa. They had a very confused look on their faces
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:07am
  - David Garrett
    
    Southern: Constantly referring to “Aotearoa” is all part of a “boil the frog to death slowly” strategy: keep repeating it until it becomes the established norm, and anyone who refers to “New Zealand” is seen as an old fart, a racist, or a redneck – or all three.
    
    The only way to fight this is to call for a CIR on the name of the country – just as they did with the flag (Although that was a government referendum). After the flag referendum gave a decisive result – as would one on “Aotearoa” – it was a became a dead issue, and will be for 20 years.
    
    I have tried to persuade Don Brash and his “Hobson’s Choice” outfit to follow this course – pushing for a CIR on the name of the country – but dear old Don says they have “other priorities”.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:42am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      DG: One of ACT’s key policies, and I believe one of their baseline coalition demands, is a referendum on the name of New Zealand. Over the last 5 or 6 years I’ve become personally convinced that by far our best chance to rein in this woke BS and prevent New Zealand sliding (hurtling?) down the slope to becoming a banana republic ethno-state is to party vote ACT.
      
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      February 6, 2023 11:37am
      - Mike
        
        Will it involve an expert panel proposing options for a first referendum, to be followed by another referendum to make a final decision?
        
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        February 6, 2023 1:09pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        No, that’s the Labour way – your people I believe.
        
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        February 6, 2023 1:47pm
- Paulus
  
  Lynch is a disgrace to TV3 – totally biased without any balance, like Tova was, wherever she now is, who chooses these so called Political Editors ?
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:08am
  - emmess
    
    Don’t watch DrongoHub or One Drongo at 6pm
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:32am
  - Lance
    
    Of course Tova left TV and went to talkback with the stated aim of taking all Hoskins audience.
    …………………………. yea, how did that work out?
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:23am
Doc

Happy Waitangi Day.
Here’s a short (6 question) quiz to test your knowledge about our founding document. You may learn something interesting.
Waitangi Quiz
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February 6, 2023 8:13am
- Sacha
  
  I got 4/6.
  The % of Chiefs who signed and another one about numbers –
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:05am
- Doc
  
  Apologies, this quiz was unwittingly built on a platform that requires a US$290 fee to receive more than 10 views/month. Y’all are just not worth it 😉
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:07am
  - Matt Long
    
    How about putting the questions on Kiwiblog?
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Gone. That was a waste of time.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:08am
- Doc
  
  Here’s the plain text instead:
  Waitangi Quiz:
  
  1. Who first suggested/requested that the Monarchy of England establish a system of law and order in New Zealand?
  a. Queen Victoria
  b. British House of Lords
  c. Ngapuhi Rangatira (Chiefs)
  d. Moriori
  
  2. What did the Maori Chiefs agree to in the First Article of Te Tiriti o Waitangi?
  a. To grant full governance of all their lands to the Crown, forever.
  b. To retain chiefly authority over their lands, villages and treasures.
  c. To enter into a partnership arrangement, establishing co-governance with the Crown
  d. To guarantee kaitiakitanga (guardianship/stewardship) over the whenua (lands)
  
  3. In treaty signing ceremonies conducted across New Zealand in 1840, how many times was the official English version of The Treaty of Waitangi read to the assembled Chiefs?
  a. Never
  b. Readings alternated between Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the English test.
  c. Both versions were always read aloud
  d. Only in the final few sessions as there was no remaining space for signatures on the Te Tiriti o Waitangi parchment.
  
  4. In article 2 of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, “Tino Rangatiratanga” (Chiefly authority / Self determination / Sovereignty) over their lands, villages and all their possessions was granted to whom?
  a. The Crown / Queen of England
  b. The native Chiefs of the Assembly (and all the other chiefs not present)
  c. An agent appointed by the Crown to act in their name
  d. To all the people of New Zealand
  
  5. Who signed the official Engligh version of the Treaty of Waitangi document at the signing ceremonies throughout 1840?
  a. All 500 Chiefs (approx.) and Governer Hobson
  b. Roughly half of the Chiefs, and Governer Hobson
  c. Less than 10% of the Chiefs
  d. Nobody
  
  6. In the third Article of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, In exchange for the surrender of governance of their nation to the Crown, what were the Queen’s obligations?
  a. To colonise New Zealand and ensure education, health, and law&order capabilities were established.
  b. To protect the people of New Zealand and grant them the same rights and privileges as she does to the people of England.
  c. To ensure that Chiefs were represented in Parliament through the establishment of Maori-only seats
  d. To ensure that the native people of New Zealand achieved fair and equitable outcomes, the same as the settlers.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thanks Doc. Now where are the answers so we can cheat?
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      5/6. Must do better Steve.
      
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      February 6, 2023 12:39pm
  - Doc
    
    ANSWERS:
    1. C.
    This letter was sent to King William IV by 13 Māori chiefs from the Bay of Islands in 1831. Its main aim was to seek the king’s protection against the French, who had recently sent a naval vessel to New Zealand. The chiefs were also concerned about inter-tribal conflict and the misconduct of British subjects, and wanted the king to defend them against lawlessness so everyone could live peaceably together.
    
    2. A
    There has been much debate over whether the Chiefs ceded sovereignty to the Crown by signing Te Tiriti. However, Kawanatanga (governance) was ceded in full.
    
    Te Tiriti o Waitangi:
    Ko nga Rangatira o te Wakaminenga, me nga Rangatira katoa hoki, kihai I uru ki taua Wakaminenga ka tuku rawa atu ki te Kuini o Ingarani ake tonu atu, te Kawanatanga katoa o ratou wenua.
    
    The Chiefs of the Assembly, and all the chiefs who have not joined the Assembly mentioned, cede to the utmost, to the Queen of England forever continually, the whole Governorship of their lands
    
    3. A
    There was no early notion of an “English” treaty and a “Maori” Treaty. At signing ceremonies around the country, Te Tiriti o Waitangi exclusively was narrated to the Rangatira present.
    
    4. D
    Tino Rangatiratanga was promised to all the people of New Zealand.
    
    Te Tiriti o Waitangi:
    Ko te Kuini o Ingarani ka wakarite ka wakaae ki nga Rangatira, ki nga Hapu, ki nga tangata katoa o Nu Tirani te tino Rangatiratanga…
    
    The Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the chiefs and tribes and to all the people of New Zealand the entire chieftainship of… (their lands, villages and all their property)
    
    5. C.
    Of the 599 Chiefs who signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi, all but 38 of them signed documents containing the Te Reo text of Te Tiriti.
    
    In the case of those 38 (at the Waikato Heads and Kawhia ceremony) there was insufficient space for them to make their marks on the official document, and the supplementary copies of Te Tiriti for signing had been delayed arriving. A copy of an earlier English draft was on hand, and this was used to record the outstanding signatures. This document has since been officially recognised as the “English” text of Te Tiriti o Waitangi – despite some significant differences between the two documents.
    
    6. B
    The Queen promised to grant all Maori the same rights and responsibilities as British Citizens.
    
    Te Tiriti o Waitangi:
    Hei wakaritenga mai hoki mo te wakaaetanga ki te Kawanatanga o te Kuini. Ka tiakina e te Kuini o Ingarani nga tangata Maori katoa o Nu Turani. Ka tukua ki a ratou nga tikanga katoa rita tahi ki ana mea ki nga tangata o Ingarani.
    
    This too is an arrangement in return for the assent of Governorship of the Queen. The Queen of England will protect all the native men of New Zealand. She yields to them all the rights, one and the same as her doings to the men of England.
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:59am
    - I remember when
      
      Just a thought.
      How many of the 599 chiefs who signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi were capable of reading the Te Reo version of the Treaty.
      
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      February 6, 2023 12:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Read out to them in English, so they still did not understand.
        Pas me that quill pen, I will sign by drawing a pic of my hat.
        
        I actually knew of a guy that did that signing into the Turangi Workingmans’ Club.
        Hatrick, so he drew a hat. He knew very little English, but he knew how to play snooker and count the score on the board.
        
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        February 6, 2023 12:38pm
- David Garrett
  
  The link no longer works, but I am confident of getting 6/6.
  
  It is appalling that Hipkins doesn’t know exactly what the three paras of the said treaty say – paraphrased if not word for word. The whole bloody thing is about 500 words.
  
  I always find it interesting that Sir Apirana Ngata – the guy on the $50 note – thought that Article III of the treaty was the most important, and the most valuable to Maori not Article II, which is all you ever hear about now.
  
  Professor Philip Joseph – the acknowledged pre-eminent expert on New Zealand constitutional law – has said “If the treaty was anything, it was a treaty of cession”
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    Did Hipkins get caught out not knowing the articles?
    
    Recall Ardern was “ambushed” on that too and ended up very publicly as W Jackson’s sock puppet with the answers.
    
    The fact te media Pardy didn’t crucify her on it was yet another instance of their massive bias .
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:54am
    - Bob
      
      He forgot his lines.. MUMMY will not be pleased with her little rising SON
      
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      February 6, 2023 11:54am
  - Mike
    
    Preeminence pronounced by whom?
    What does that even mean? That his opinions cannot be questioned?
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:13am
- Mummy
  
  We have a birthday today in our house so that’s what it’s all about for us. Waitangi is a very distant second.
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:21am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Likewise it is relegated to a distant second – it is the day that my mother passed away in 2013. God rest her soul.
    
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    February 6, 2023 1:52pm
Nickc2

Is the Herald still on the take?
An article in said rag states councilors object to Mayor Brown’s inquiry into Akld’s Flooding Response.
I have read the article but nowhere in it does the article’s scribbler state who these Councillors are and what they are objecting to.
The Herald’s anti-Mayor Brown crusade continues on the Taxpayer’s coin.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-floods-mayor-wayne-browns-flood-response-inquiry-cops-flak-from-councillors/RHTS2OX255E4LBIBT5MZA6GZMI/
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February 6, 2023 8:16am
- yossarian
  
  Get used to it, if Luxon wins in October, and if you think the media are going feral over Wayne Brown because he’s not a leftie you ain’t seen nothing yet.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:04am
  - pdm
    
    Brown has really got them going with his flooding enquiry.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The left can get very nasty and violent when they lose.
    Just look at America.
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Media will toe the line, they will be shit scared of being wiped from the earth
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:53am
    - Colville
      
      The golden rule.
      He who controls the gold writes the rules.
      
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      February 6, 2023 1:38pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Would be all the councillors who are still sore about Efeso Collins loosing and probably headed by Michael Woods wife
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:09am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Wouldn’t be surprised if Michael (ROF) Woods wife, Julie Fairey is sniping in the background. Standard operating practice for the lefties.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The vulgar media knew to attack at the right time, looks like he was deliberately left of AECs connections from emails an numbers, backed up today by the mayoral office
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:55am
- Bob
  
  I have also read said article in the Horid. The named members of the inquiry board appear, for the first time in years, to have been chosen for background proven ability and experience. Not the usual ‘political puffers’ that we have become accustomed to in the last 5 years.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:31am
- Paulus
  
  As Far as Mayor Brown is concerned the media and the so called Pacifica Labour Candidate got overwhelmingly beaten.
  So they will do all they can to tell Aucklanders they made a mistake.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What are those Councillors hiding and why?
  Heaven forbid Wayne Brown scratches a scab off corruption.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:43am
Southern Raider

Couple of concerning issues now developing that show NZ will never have a happy conclusion to Māori and Others relationships

Herald had an article this weekend about major concerns from Māori and Pakeha activists around the number of non Māori learning Te Reo. The concerns are based on if someone learns it then they may feel an ownership of the language which they can never have as they aren’t Māori.

Then is growing criticism of anyone (but especially politicians and senior officials) who can’t pronounce Te Reo correctly. This included Govt ministers laughing at Luxon, Seymour etc making speeches at Waitangi.

We also had OneNews interviewing Marama and some other female Labour MP on their views of Seymour’s speech and complaining you can’t criticise Māori in Te Reo but he was asked to speak in Te Reo.

So we have all official departments, towns, cities etc being converted to Te Reo. Claims we need more speakers to keep the language alive. Demands at certain events you can only speak Te Reo. But at the same time now saying Te Reo is only really for Māori.

It’s either an official language and should be treated neutrally as such or consigned to some pigeon dialect spoken by a few Māori elites.
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February 6, 2023 8:16am
- Swifty
  
  “ We also had OneNews interviewing Marama and some other female Labour MP on their views of Seymour’s speech and complaining you can’t criticise Māori in Te Reo….”
  
  WTF?
  
  Do these people not realise how stupid they sound?
  
  New Zealanders can criticise whomever they damn well please, in whatever language they choose, and they don’t need Marama Davidson’s, or anyone else’s, permission to do so.
  
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  February 6, 2023 8:54am
  - Ruawai
    
    Be careful the disinformation police might come for you in the night.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:05am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Marama Davidson is a piece of work.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:11am
    - Bob
      
      Marama Davidson is a piece of work….
      Marama Davidson is a DANGEROUS piece of work!
      
      FIXED IT FOR YOU CAPTAIN.
      
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      February 6, 2023 9:33am
      - pdm
        
        `Marama Davidson is a DANGEROUS piece of work!’
        
        Just ask James Shaw.
        
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        February 6, 2023 9:50am
      - I remember when
        
        Bob:
        Surely it must be time for her to show the Israel government that they can’t tell her what to do again.
        
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        February 6, 2023 11:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Davidson claims to know a lot about language ownership:
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/new-zealand-mp-uses-c-word-at-rally-in-call-to-reclaim-it-from-abusers
        
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        February 6, 2023 5:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Free Speech is a Weapon of War”
    JA.
    
    See UN speech.
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    From what I heard about his speech he did not criticise Māori, he criticised the system and the treaty its self.
    
    They forgot that Seymour is Māori, but I guess he is the wrong type of Māori for the leftist militant scum.
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:07pm
- David Garrett
  
  PIDGEN mate…a pigeon is a bird
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:12am
  - Cassandra
    
    Pidgin, mate, pidgen is a nowt.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:23am
    - David Garrett
      
      Cass: I was going to add: “…or PIDGIN”…I have seen it written both ways
      
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      February 6, 2023 10:06am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Dang autocorrect!
        
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        February 6, 2023 7:11pm
  - kowtow
    
    Either way , we’re being shat on.
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:57am
- Sacha
  
  The vast majority of New Zealanders will never learn Maori. They already have a perfectly adequate language which suits their every-day needs.
  There is no practical advantage in learning another which has a limited vocabulary which depends on borrowing from the language they already know.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:13am
  - Cassandra
    
    When I lived in Malaya the phone was a talipon and the boys in blue the polis. In Tauranga our rubbish tin is marked rapahi. In its current form Maori is pidgin.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:26am
    - david
      
      Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Te Reo, the South Pacific attempt at recreating Esperanto?
      A new and artificially created language that has some roots in what was actually spoken but an attempt to cover a collection of dialects that meant inhabitants could not readily converse with each other.
      
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      February 6, 2023 9:51am
      - Paulus
        
        I understand that the language of the Cook Islands is Cook Island Maori.
        Go there and you will soon see the Maori in it all.
        
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        February 6, 2023 1:35pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Cass: Clearly you are not aware that the ancient Maori had rapahi collections every Monday
      
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      February 6, 2023 10:07am
      - Cassandra
        
        Not a lot of people know that. Sounds like a load of old cobblers (try turning that into Esperanto) to me. (Actually I can – a bootmaker aka a cobbler, is a botisto in Esperanto).
        
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        February 6, 2023 10:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I speak French well and German passably, but never in a million years would I pretend to feel a “sense of ownership” of either language, nor of English which I can also speak passably 🙂
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, it is such an odd concept.
    
    I’m sure no-one in my Latin classes had any desire to
    own the language or become enculturated by the Ancient world.
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:51pm
DeepBlue

Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta cancelled her reception and the speech she was going to give to dozens of diplomats who travelled north to Waitangi on Saturday. And now she is bundled off to India on Waitangi Day.

On Friday Mahuta was interviewed by Waatea News and was asked about international travel. Mahuta did not mention this trip to India in 3 days time. Also the Beehive only released the PR about the trip on 5 Feb for a next day departure…

Hmmm, I wonder what controversy is brewing that meant she had to be ‘dissappeared’ in such a hurry.
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February 6, 2023 8:20am
- Cassandra
  
  Contrast with Australia’s Penny Wong who has made 24 overseas trips in less than a year.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:28am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Contrast with Penny Wong who is always well turned out, speaks well and well informed.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Penny Wong is running the show. Albo is just the idiot fronting it.
      
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      February 6, 2023 11:13am
  - Taieri
    
    Penny Wong who has made 24 overseas trips in less than a year
    —————
    
    May be she likes flying?
    
    As for Mahuta, best to keep her and her taniwhas and other dragons at home.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:54am
    - Cassandra
      
      No, Wong is carrying out Labor’s policy of turning back China by engaging with Pacific leaders. And promoting Australia in Europe and America. And as part of the process, of also carrying a big stick, Australia is rearming. NZ must follow suit, in both respects.
      
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      February 6, 2023 11:23am
      - NoCash
        
        Rearming NZ for what? To protect the trade route with our largest trading partner China, from China? That makes sense.
        
        https://youtu.be/MTCqXlDjx18
        
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        February 6, 2023 2:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    Penny Wong is a dangerous and nasty lefty.
    
    Like the comintern , spreading poison widely.
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oma rapeti, oma rapeti, oma, oma, oma
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:12am
  - Sacha
    
    Can you sing it? It’s on YouTube – a Maori children’s song.
    
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    February 6, 2023 7:20pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Great that you are seeing through Hipkins, he has bundled his problem off, I say she will shit on him before long as she did to Ardern
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:12pm
pdm

I see on the Stuff Quick Quiz that Princess Anne will be visiting that mythical place Aotearoa in a month or two.

Shame she is not coming to New Zealand as well.

Mind you the Stuff Quick Quiz does make a lot of Stuff Ups – last week it had Guam as a state of the USA.
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February 6, 2023 8:26am
- peterwn
  
  And they stuffed it up again this morning. ‘Which composer called his 9th symphony ‘Eroica’?
  
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  February 6, 2023 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    Peter – not in the quiz I did this morning.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:28am
    - David Garrett
      
      pdm: Me neither…nor in the Quiz I did yesterday…got 14/15 this morning.
      
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      February 6, 2023 10:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Royals are not allowed to visit the country of nz in election year, not sure about the rules in Aeoteraroa (lala land)
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:13pm
  - peterwn
    
    That would be a non binding convention. The King wants to show empathy to Kiwis following the bad floods and seems to have asked Princess Anne to visit NZ. It will not make an iota of political difference in the run-up to the election. If it were ‘political’ then opposition leaders would be having a quiet word with the PM to can it.
    
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    February 6, 2023 8:37pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She was coming here before the flood, royals are not allowed in the country on election year, one example, in 2011 Harry and William wanted to come here, thee was outrage by this rotten left, they had to get all sorts of special consents, they were not allowed to go bear Wellington, they were required to stay near the English team.
      
      The princess is coming to CHCH , Wellington and the Wairarapa, that is what a heard a couples of weeks ago, doesn’t even look like she is landing in Auckland
      
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      February 6, 2023 10:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        No you are wrong, the royals are allowed here during an election, there is nothing to stop them. There are more than what I’ve listed.
        
        1963 November election, February that year the queen came with the Duke of Edinburgh
        1966 November election, the Queen and her mother came that year
        1981 November election, Prince Charles was here from march to April, the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh were here in October
        1990 October election, the Queen, Duke of Edinburgh and Prince Edward were here
        1999 October election, Princess Anne
        
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        February 6, 2023 10:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Driving yesterday between Featherston & Masterton yesterday – what a cluster that road has become! 80kmph on a perfectly good open road, overtaking lanes coned off, then reduced speeds due to non existent roadworks near Masterton which have been there for months with no progress.

That road all on its own should see the CEO of NZTA fired for incompetence.
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February 6, 2023 8:34am
- Jimbob
  
  When the hell is October? I cannot wait that long.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:32am
- Bob
  
  Is any one from the Wairarapa really in a hurry to get to Wellington?
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:36am
  - DeepBlue
    
    It’s the afternoon rush to get home that’s the problem.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Road to Zero//
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:18am
G152

Evidently Maori do not accept that as tribes they invaded and took over others land up until the Europeans arrival .
Their insistance that such grievances against European settlement are to be readressed dont seem to extend to those historic tribal slaughters
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February 6, 2023 8:42am
- Nickc2
  
  But, but, but, our Education System’s History Curricula have just been rewritten. It’s too late to change history now!
  
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  February 6, 2023 8:52am
- Southern Raider
  
  They should ask the people on the Chatham Islands
  
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  February 6, 2023 8:53am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahahaha, as the Solomn and Tuuta families especially
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:15pm
- Bob
  
  Maori had no written language, so no reliable record of past adventures; not even the epic crusade to the Antarctica.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:38am
  - Cassandra
    
    Plenty of evidence re Musket Wars.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Clearly a failing of the Colonial/European system… leaving a Written record of events that centuries later come back to bite you on the bum.
    
    Thank goodness our new Labour MPs are taught to avoid such incriminating practices.
    
    He also made the claim that Labour held a workshop to teach new MPs how to handle information so it didn’t fall into the public’s hands. That included on how to get around the Official Information Act.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/gaurav-sharma-labour-mp-s-week-of-bombshells-bullying-allegations.html
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:59am
Close Hen Counters

Jenna lynch at tv3 would have to be the worst one eyed ‘journalist’ in NZ – her coverage of Waitangi last night was appalling. All her investigative efforts of the day centred around everything she didn’t like about Chris Luxon – she is a disgrace.
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February 6, 2023 8:45am
- yossarian
  
  Please, I’m begging you, don’t watch the news. You’re only encouraging them.
  
  Trust me, your mental health will thank you for it.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:07am
- Jimbob
  
  Always, I repeat always push the mute button when politics comes on, never listen.
  Overseas news, sport and weather. That is all I watch.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:34am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Enjoying Fox news. Great political cartoons this morning
    
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    February 6, 2023 10:01am
- Bob
  
  she is one of a TRIBE of one eyed journalists; not sure why so many are of foreign extraction?
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:39am
- Justitia
  
  We haven’t watched the “news” or subscribed to a local “news”paper for going on three years now. Pure, government directed propaganda straight out of Stasiland. We have switched off for better mental hygiene, and to attempt to reduce alcohol consumption.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:53am
- I remember when
  
  Jenna Lynch’s great skill is her ability to interview herself!
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:40am
- Nickc2
  
  Remember, the only true thing Willie Jackson’s ever said in his life is that “nobody trusts the Media.”
  However, he was using that to justify his reason(s) for amalgamating TVNZ & Rado NZ.
  He’s not called Silly Willy for nothing eh?
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:49am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes her vulgar hatred reading the poll results last Monday was disgusting, I am sure she was right on the verge of giving Luxon the gingers on the 6 o’clock news
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:19pm
Nickc2

As verbally announced on TalkbackZB by the program’s host this morning: “If you have a Gun License and any of your guns are stolen, the Police will issue you an invoice for their investigations.”
Tell me again who’s masquerading as our Minister of Police.
Oh, that’s right, it’s the same idiot that said if Dairies didn’t stock Cigarettes, there’d be no Ram-Raids. He probably thinks the same about Bottle-Shops, Jewelry Shops, and Supermarkets etc.
Chippie’s Labour Govt Talent Pool must be really shallow eh?
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February 6, 2023 8:46am
- Southern Raider
  
  Easy solution. Gun owners just claim insurance and don’t involve Police. Police then have no record of what guns were stolen that gangs probably have now. Who looses here by this stupid policy, seems to me it’s the Police
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:11am
  - pdm
    
    SR – Insurance company will almost certainly need evidence of a complaint lodged with Police before paying.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:30am
- kowtow
  
  This regime , aided and abetted by te media pardy created , fostered and promoted a moral panic around legal firearms owners . Including villification.
  
  Sound familiar ?
  
  People who support this need to have a good think about that.
  
  What could they come for next.
  
  Your ICE vehicle is very much in the frame.
  
  Your diet .
  
  Your house.
  
  They’re already actively handing over your democracy.
  
  This is not hyperbole.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:21am
- Ghost
  
  Article on it
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131139427/police-propose-charging-firearms-owners-to-investigate-gun-burglaries
  
  Gun groups and the ACT party have both suggested charging firearms owners for police to attend the loss, theft or burglary of a firearm is a breach of the Arms Act.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:24am
  - Taieri
    
    This is a great idea and should be extended to all offences. You pay or it doesn’t get investigated. Better yet, you pay and it still doesn’t get investigated. Which is what is happening now anyway.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:57am
    - Ghost
      
      Would be interesting, do you get a refund if they can’t find your gun? Are you also charged if your gun is used in a crime? What happens if they find your gun and by the time you go in to get some criminal has stolen it from the gun lock up, who pays then?
      
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      February 6, 2023 10:08am
  - Nickc2
    
    Olivia Caldwell (scribbler of said article) is being rather mischievous or misleading to say the least.
    Ghost, your post is verbatum and as stated in said article. However, here is the only reference to ACT’s statement. Once again, verbatum:
    ACT’s firearms reforms spokesperson, Nicole McKee, said the proposal was equivalent to charging a victim for an investigation into a crime committed against them.
    Does the statement by Nicole KcKee agree that charging for an investigation is justified?
    IMO, Stuff hasn’t changed its MO.
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:58am
  - I remember when
    
    Will stolen vehicles, always likely to be used in a crime, be next on the charge sheet.
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:35am
- sirknz
  
  ‘Talent Puddle’ is a more appropriate descriptor.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:27am
- Matt Long
  
  Gun owners today, All victims of property crime tomorrow.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:35am
- MCōs
  
  Here’s an article which says changes were made to the Policing Act back in Nov 2016 to allow some costs to be recovered.
  https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/cost-recovery
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Police are already paid by the Taxpayer. Any further charges are a rort.
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:28am
  - I remember when
    
    Another way to reduce the reported crime figures?
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:38am
    - kowtow
      
      No ,it’s a very cynical ploy to reduce the number of people applying for , renewing or reatining their fire arms licences.
      
      I say cynical because te polisi forsi make a bigly play of pretending to ‘consult” on these issues.
      
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      February 6, 2023 12:41pm
      - MCōs
        
        One would have thought I t went through the usual consultative process when the act was changed back in 2016.
        
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        February 6, 2023 1:13pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What? You are saying if you have a gun stolen you have to pay to have it investigated? If so that is an extremely slippery slope, why would you even bother reporting it? And the cost could simply go back into the price of a new gun
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:22pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m not saying a thing! I’m commenting on an article published in Stuff. Refer to Ghost’s posting at 9:24AM today.
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:39pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, I was gobsmacked by what I read, that you mentioned from the article.
      
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      February 6, 2023 10:46pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Travelling on the new motorway heading south of Otaki, I saw a car coming the other way flash its lights. I looked out for a mobile speed camera, as you do. There are long straights, nothing in sight. Then I noticed a traffic officer, speed gun in hand, sited on top of one of the overbridges. About a mile down the road were several police cars including mid blue Skodas, BTW, pulling over vehicles pinged by their colleague.

For me, this smacks of entrapment. They build a perfectly good motorway, then restrict you to 100. AFAIK, no one has had a speed related accident causing death there. There are plenty of more dangerous roads than that. It’s police actions like this that cause them to lose credibility; they risk losing their social licence. Whatever happened to policing by consent?
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February 6, 2023 8:46am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  I drove Auckland to Wellington last weekend & wondered why the speed limit isn’t 110km/h same as the Waikato expressway.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:03am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    To ask the question is to answer it, Comrade!
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:27am
- Southern Raider
  
  I had to admire the driver yesterday on an expressway who after going past two cops who were issuing tickets obviously did the maths and flew past me at about 120\130.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:14am
- Southern Raider
  
  Driving 110 on an expressway shows just how stupid Waka Kotahi is. If we had that from Whangarei to Wellington you could not only sufficiently reduce emissions as engines would be running more efficiently, you would have close to road to zero on that 1,000 km of roading network.
  
  Instead they focus on reducing speed and not maintaining roads.
  
  I also agree with Greg Murphy that biggest issue is around driver behaviour. Had one person pull into an expressway doing about 70km/hr, one person speed up when I tried to change lanes, heaps of people changing lanes with no indication and some struggling to drive straight in a lane
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:17am
- David Garrett
  
  police actions like this that cause them to lose credibility;
  
  Mate, they lost credibility 30 years ago when the government of the day – National I think – decided to merge the “traffic cops” with the real police.
  
  Most if not all of them will be retired now, but that stupid decision meant that from 1992 a significant number of “police” were guys who had failed to get into the police, or just liked strutting about in knee high boots and jodphurs…and who enjoyed riding British motorcycles maintained at someone else’s expense.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:21am
- sirknz
  
  I have seen a hero cop on the section north of the Johnstone’s Hill tunnels in Auckland where the new Warkworth bypass is set to open, an area that is all coned off and reduced to one lane in each direction with a speed limit of 50km/h standing there with a speed gun trying to catch people doing >54km/h.
  
  I was almost tempted to thank him for his bravery and service keeping us all safe at a time where we have increasing gang violence (when the media just describes it as a group of people having a small fight on the main street), ram raids, and dairies being robbed every other day.
  
  Bet he has better work stories…
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:38am
- Taieri
  
  Then I noticed a traffic officer, speed gun in hand, sited on top of one of the overbridges.
  ————
  
  In all likelihood this officer has just saved your life. Speed kills, didn’t you know? The faster you go, the bigger the mess. Now, if you were travelling 1 km/hr below posted limit you’d be perfectly safe and the said officer could spend his time investigating for example a burglary or hate speech. Better yet, if you were traveling on a bicycle you’d be even safer and it would contribute to your cardiovascular health, which in turn, would result in due course in a few more exciting years in the rest home.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:04am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, they lost all their credibility years ago when they planted evidence in the Arthur Alan Thomas murder case.
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:00pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have been doing that south heading into Dunedin for 4 or 5 years, there is usually the van with camera every day on there so everyone is usually sticking to the speed, but often you can see some standing on the bridge above or just to the side
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Channeling my inner Maggie Pie:

Why doesn’t the Ranfuly Shield have a Maori name?
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February 6, 2023 8:48am
- Maggie's partner
  
  RangiFurli – there, fixed
  
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  February 6, 2023 8:53am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks – because it has spent so much time in Hawkes Bay in recent years there is no need for a Maori name.
  
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  February 6, 2023 8:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You buggers keep winning it of us first up, we kept it for a whole season the time in between.
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:27pm
  - crikey
    
    Go The Bay!
    
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    February 6, 2023 1:11pm
    - Mike
      
      Which one?
      
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      February 6, 2023 1:45pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Correct – in Hawkes Bay, not in the Bay ;-p
    
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    February 6, 2023 1:40pm
    - Mike
      
      Hawke’s Bay.
      
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      February 6, 2023 1:46pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Nevermind-
  Why?
  Did the Maori play professional rugby before the white colonisers arrived here?
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:00am
  - MCōs
    
    They invented it
    
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    February 6, 2023 9:24am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They didn’t pick the ball up and run, too lazy
      
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      February 6, 2023 12:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Poro rakau
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:10am
- MCōs
  
  Because Ranfuly was an early Governor and was from a time when the Crown’s representative was always British. Same with the Bledisloe cup.
  These days there are all sorts of other competitions including the Super Rugby Aotearoa, which filled in when the Super competition was reduced to only NZ teams plus couple of Pacific teams.
  
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  February 6, 2023 9:35am
andrewo

A post especially for Waitangi Day:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PJV_U2cUvs0?feature=share
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February 6, 2023 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is that Chris Luxon’s “little experiment?”
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I think he dropped that in just because it would up set vulgar Green MPs and media would spout it, it probably gained him a few votes back after Hipkins told Māori that 3 waters and Co governance will simply get a Māori name as part of the policy dump
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:31pm
Yvette

Is today’s Maorifucated GOOGLE icon actually a worthy commemoration of Waitangi Day or with its unique clawed tongue, “eyes” as “o”s and token “bank-note” swirls, just an obscene cultural misappropriation?

yep! – sweating the small stuff
AFAF
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February 6, 2023 8:58am
- Taieri
  
  Strangely enough Google Translate translates “google” into Maori as “google”.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:36am
Rusty

Is Chippy the first male PM for Labour since Mike Moore in 1990?

Not saying it means anything but does seem a while ago.
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February 6, 2023 9:07am
- Keith White
  
  Don’t know, am not a biologist…
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahahaa as ha, he looks like a sheila
    
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    February 6, 2023 12:32pm
- C-Town
  
  Yes he is, and the last male MP to actually win an election was David Lange in 1987. But things were different back then.
  
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  February 6, 2023 1:06pm
Suze Wainwright

I would like to take this magnificent day to propose that all whitey forfeit 1% of their incomes to iwi-based institutions as restitution and to ensure equity in this racist nation.

Come now, do not be racist and please heed policy formulation of Australian and aotearoan Green Parties.
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February 6, 2023 9:30am
- Taieri
  
  to ensure equity in this racist nation
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  The only successful practical application of equity was ever recorded in 1970’s under the Constitution of Democratic Kampuchea. It’s most famous Champion of Equity will never be forgotten. His name was Pol Pot.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Go the whole Mormon and make the Tythe 10%
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  We as greasy give a damn sight more than 1%
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:33pm
- Paulus
  
  Looking today at a Stuff list of the Major Maori Assets at $9.6 Billion and expected to $100 billion in a few years (the Ngapuhi claim has not yet be decided).
  And none of them pay any tax I believe !
  
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  February 6, 2023 1:42pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I pay top bracket PAYE. I reckon a sight more than 1% of my income already goes to iwi.
  
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  February 6, 2023 7:22pm
I remember when

In 1840 the Treaty of Waitangi was written.
First in English and then in Maori.
When it was finished everybody looked at it and as one voice said, “Perfect.”
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February 6, 2023 9:37am
- Don Beckett
  
  Waitangi Day.
  White Hanging Day. 😆
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:48am
  - Cassandra
    
    White Anger Day these days, for good reason.
    
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    February 6, 2023 11:17am
Swifty

On this Waitangi Day I call on the British Government to immediately begin preparations to install co-governance throughout the UK.

Native white Brits are to be regarded as ‘people of the land’ and are to be accorded all sorts of special rights and privileges including, but not limited to, an automatic 50% representation on all governance bodies, a separate whites-only health and education system, legal and criminal justice systems.

A key point to this is that Brit co-governance will not be a destination but rather a journey – allowing white Brits and their allies to keep making it up and changing the goalposts as they go along.

Anyone opposing this move will be roundly abused and labelled a filthy racist.

In return for supporting and encouraging this move, private and state news media organisations and companies will be lavished with taxpayer funds. Organisations opposing this move will be denied any funding.

Anyone wanting to develop anything, build anything or require any sort of resource consent will need to acquire a ‘cultural impact assessment’ from whitey first and for which they will charge a very pretty penny. No assessment, no consent. No consent, no development.

Non-whites and whites who do not whakapapa to the British Isles should accept their new position with good cheer recognising that the native Brits are indigenous, were there first, and therefore deserve superior rights and privileges than those that came recently.

What’s more I fully expect all New Zealanders who support co-governance in Aotearoa will to a person wholeheartedly champion this move, think it perfectly appropriate and will speak up at every opportunity to lend their weight to this cause. After all, if co-governance is right in NZ it must be right in the UK as well. Right?

I now call on Willie Jackson, Kelvin Davis, Marama Davidson, Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer, Margaret Mutu, Tuku Morgan, Christopher Hipkins, Nanaia Mahuta to use this Waitangi Day to speak out and call for co-governance for native Brits so that they can achieve better outcomes in their own land.

Waiting…..
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February 6, 2023 9:43am
- C-Town
  
  If Maori want pakeha to leave NZ, then they should get in contact with the UK and try and persuade them to grant full citizenship to any pakeha New Zealander of any age so they can return their ancestral homelands to live and work. This should include full pensions, health-care, and benefits etc.
  
  Then they can use their TOW reparations to buy up Pakeha houses at full market prices, so NZ homeowners can use those funds to buy houses in the UK, which appear to be a bit cheaper than NZ houses are. The UK has its problems but maybe a large contingent of pakeha could make a difference politically.
  
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  February 6, 2023 1:16pm
  - greybeard
    
    Pakeha?
    What is a “pakeha”?
    
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    February 6, 2023 4:22pm
I remember when

NZ Farmers Weekly: Awareness campaign intensifies wao on wallabies.
There are now thoght to be more than 1,000,000 wallabies running free in New Zealand.
Over the next 50 years they could spread through a third of the country.
Wallaby exclusion zones have been put in place in an attempt to control the spread.
Two species, the dama in BOP/Waikato and Bennett’s in South Canterbury/North Otago, by 2025 could cost around $84 million in damage.
Kawau Island is also considered a wallaby problem area with parma, dama, brush-tailed and swamp wallabies present.

We have so many, we had to send some parma wallabies back to Australia when they were getting scarce there.
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February 6, 2023 9:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There has already been sightings near Dunedin, droppings in snow near Alexandra, and in the maniototo , travelling home from Mosgiel on the back road to Dunedin on 3 mile hill, there are wallabe warning signs, snd a number to ring if you see one
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:38pm
- Nickc2
  
  So long as none of em hold the Bledisloe Cup, who gives a ………… //
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  501 ‘em
  
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  February 6, 2023 7:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/omg-maori-now-saying-they-didnt-sign-over-sovereignty-in-1840/

Waitangi Tribunal Booklet by Julian Batchelor online:
https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online

Breaking news! Maori only to get cheaper fuel than the rest of New Zealanders.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Gull-Ngai-Te-Rangi-offer-discount-fuel-for-iwi-beneficiaries-NZ-Herald.pdf

And last:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Maori-deny-sovereignty-signed-over-1.pdf
Video does not work. I guess Newshub pulled it
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February 6, 2023 9:55am
Surely Knott

NZ Herald Headline
1. “Brown facing flack flood review, more rain”
2. “There are kids down the road starving ” Child Commissioners challenge to Kiwis.

Flooding: Browns name is in the headline and the brand new mayor is held personally accountable .

Child Poverty: It is kiwis responsibility to fix. Not the government. The prime minister who said she would fix child poverty is not named in the headline. It is not her fault. She is not responsible.
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February 6, 2023 9:58am
- emmess
  
  Wow
  Kids facing starvation
  When famine has been solving in even the poorest countries in the world, apart from in times of war, how can a could with one of the highest levels of HDI according to international reports, be suffering starvation?
  Please don’t tell me the Children’s Commissioner is making shit up for political reasons.
  
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  February 6, 2023 10:51am
- I remember when
  
  Sure sign of polution ‘Brown rain.’
  
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  February 6, 2023 11:21am
- mogg
  
  Trotter’s view of the Brown media treatment;
  https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/119533/auckland%E2%80%99s-mayor-wayne-brown-has-apologised-his-flood-related-failings-will
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:45pm
- Taieri
  
  “There are kids down the road starving ” Child Commissioners challenge to Kiwis
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  Only a cretin can make statement like that in NZ. A cretin that has no idea what “starvation” means.
  
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  February 6, 2023 1:23pm
- Prince
  
  Kids down the road starving…
  If only we had a PM who could organise the bureaucracy to identify these cases, investigate ths causes, and take action to fix those causes.
  I seem to recall such a PM, who was elected, but not selected.
  
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  February 6, 2023 6:36pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘There are kids down the road starving’
  
  Responsibility of their parents, first & foremost.
  
  Next, responsibility of their extended family.
  
  Next, wider charity from kind people.
  
  Only after that, the General taxpayer.
  
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  February 6, 2023 7:27pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Only after that, the General taxpayer.
    
    Sounds good. How starved do they have to be? Who checks that all the other possibilities you mention have been tried …?
    
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    February 6, 2023 7:52pm
Surely Knott

New Zealand’s most famous psychologist makes international headlines.

“Dr John Money and the sinister origins of gender ideology
How a cruel, amoral experiment helped birth today’s trans movement.”

“New Zealand-born Money was a pioneer in his field of sexuality and gender. In 1955, he was the first person to use the word ‘gender’ as opposed to ‘sex’ to draw a distinction between the biological attributes and the behavioural characteristics that differentiate males from females. He subsequently popularised terms like ‘gender identity’ and even founded the world’s first gender-identity clinic at John Hopkins University in Baltimore ”

“He believed, for instance, that when children are around two years old they pass through a ‘gender-identity gate’, which locks in their gender for the rest of their lives. Few trans activists would make such a claim today. But the central idea that Money first developed is still upheld by trans activists today – namely, that being male or female is not biologically determined.”

So why is Money rarely mentioned by those promoting trans ideology today?

“you won’t hear the #BeKind brigade paying tribute to him. The reason for this is simple enough: John Money’s work was creepy, cruel and amoral – and left a trail of misery, pain and suicide in its wake.”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/05/dr-john-money-and-the-sinister-origins-of-gender-ideology
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February 6, 2023 10:22am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Pretty sure he is still mentioned in Gore, where his extensive art collection is now housed.
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:40pm
  - Mike
    
    The John Money collection is housed in a wing named after him at the art gallery. Possibly the only reason to visit Gore.
    
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    February 6, 2023 1:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Another gem from Morrinsville.
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/44360/john-money
  
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  February 6, 2023 1:09pm
kowtow

Fisher of the Whoreald today claims ‘the Crown comes eye to eye with its Treaty partners’ .

Only there aren’t any Treaty “partners”. This is disinformation , fake news .

Yesterday they had a front page lead about a cannabis operation in Northland by the same reporter , where he “shared” the so called “inside story” , which was extremely light on detail but had plenty of mirth , concluding with …

“It’s a point of difference with the stories of some Taheke locals , who reckon it was as good a smoke as anything else grown locally. Not that they’re planning on contacting police to argue the point”.

You see narcotics , organised crime syndicates and the damage they do is such fun and suitable for school boy level humour.

Te he he.
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February 6, 2023 10:46am
I remember when

03 Nov 2021: Wairoa reported to have a reputation for gang violence and drug abuse.
01 Jan 2022: Two gang members arrested for possession of around a kilogram of meth.
A similar amount was found less than 4 months earlier.
01 Oct 2022: Otago Daily Times:
The Eastern District, spanning from top of the East Cape to Southern Hawke’s Bay, stands out for Armed Offenders Quad callouts in 2022.
There were 232, more than double most other areas.
In May alone there wer more than 86 deployments, of which 83 were pre-planned.
June also had more than one a day.
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February 6, 2023 10:50am
- kowtow
  
  ‘In May alone there wer more than 86 deployments’
  
  Why isn’t te media pardy calling for apologies from te Commissioner of Polisi.As per their manufactured outrage at the Uruwera “raids”.
  
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  February 6, 2023 12:27pm
I remember when

Went for a drive along one of the newly designated 80 kph roads.
As I drove along a largely straight, well marked, scarcely populated rural road I thought about how only a short time ago it was safe to drive at 100 kph.
What I found myself wondering has happened, in such a short time, that made the change necessary.
No signs reminding me to look twice for motorcyclists, that 80 kph isn’t a target, that it is a high accident area, to have a rest if I’m tired.

Why?
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February 6, 2023 11:14am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep. And you could have safely had 3 or 4 drinks without troubling the breath tester.
  
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  February 6, 2023 7:29pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Never fear, Chippy’s going to bin the new road speed legislation. He announced this the other day.
    Binning this stuff is all designed to put a new shade of lippy on the Labour Pig and generate even more propaganda from an arse-licking media.
    All this while #Waters, Co-Governance, and unheralded He Pua Pua legislation is enacted out of sight and without discourse with Non-Maori NZers.
    
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    February 6, 2023 8:05pm
surfing

Maori lady exercising her [Mod – nothing to do with the thefts]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/video-captures-staff-fighting-back-against-papakura-supermarket-thieves/PMIWCTS6M5BFFEWRCAO2QCJDFU/

These supermarket walkouts are bad. I’ve personally witnessed 3 in the last 12 months. Supermarket staff followed and say a few words but can’t do much.
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February 6, 2023 12:14pm
Master Mariner

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/413-people-qualify-for-covid-19-vaccine-injury-payouts-as-at-end-2022
Similar population to NZ , Question. How many claims have ACC recieved ?
Any payouts ?
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February 6, 2023 1:17pm
- kevn
  
  @MM… In the UK you must be at least 60% damaged to have any jab adverse claim.
  That thins ’em out.
  
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  February 6, 2023 3:51pm
- Keith White
  
  Close previously healthy young family member got myocarditis after jab here in NZ; and local hospital (who gave the jab), plus MOH, plus ACC, plus the bosses of Ministry of Health both political and clinical — all declined to accept cause-and-effect from their mandated injection. This despite patient having heart rates over 250 on (Holter) monitoring, and 3 separate hospital admissions for recalcitrant tachycardia up to 300/min at one stage, in a previously well, athletic young person in their 3rd decade of life.
  
  We’re not looking for payouts, and we were fortunate to be able to pay for cardiologist eval in Australia. But even after being presented with that confirmation from 2 Australian specialists, NZ ACC says “needs to be verified by NZ practitioner back in NZ, who we will nominate.” Of course, if there is no acceptance of the damage done, there will never be any payout. Quite a neat avoidance of both clinical and financial responsibility and accountability, for narrow values of ‘neat’.
  
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  February 6, 2023 6:07pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Hi Keith,
    
    So sorry to hear about your young family member.
    
    I noticed in an interview that Rory Nairn’s Dad gave recently to Children’s Health Defense, that he mentioned that all communications between their family and various people was all done through their lawyer. He credits the communication through the lawyer with speeding up the process in terms of confirming the shots caused his son’s death.
    
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    February 6, 2023 7:21pm
    - Keith White
      
      Thank you.
      
      The problem with involving lawyers is that patient at start of a career in health care. If we get lawyers, patient may end up on ‘a list’ that prejudices future employment and we would never know.
      
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      February 6, 2023 7:36pm
Taieri

“183 years on, the Treaty of Waitangi is yet to be fully shaped”

According to Dame Claudia Orange anyway.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131133762/183-years-on-the-treaty-of-waitangi-is-yet-to-be-fully-shaped

The number of “shapes” this brief document suffered so far must already be going into hundreds…
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February 6, 2023 1:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is the sort of bar I want to go to.
https://2020conservative.com/he-hung-a-very-controversial-sign-on-the-door-of-his-bar-and-it-increased-business/
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February 6, 2023 2:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well people, here is something.
If you don’t like things you can’t ‘unsee’ then don’t click on it. Put your coffee down too.
https://2020conservative.com/a-trans-woman-spent-75000-dollars-to-get-the-perfect-body-what-she-looked-like-before-will/
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February 6, 2023 2:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Auckland beaches – do not swim, because of the stormwater catching the wastewater overflow.
3 Waters will fix this – like bloody hell they will.
I have been on the Shore a long time. Whenever it rains heavy same result. Nothing has been done since the 70s?
Let’s go brandon waters.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/do-not-swim-auckland-beaches-closed-this-weekend-over-health-and-safety-concerns/ar-AA177kOg
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February 6, 2023 3:29pm
- Mike
  
  And there was I thinking NZ was 100% Pure (as seen on TV).
  
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  February 6, 2023 4:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As seen on TV, but wait, there’s more.
    Buy now and you get a second set of sewerage pipes for free.
    This offer is not available in stores, so call now.
    0800 get stuffed
    
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    February 6, 2023 4:42pm
rangitoto

Massive 7.8 earthquake in southern Turkey. Damage as far afield as Lebanon. Many buildings collapased in Syria and Southern central parts of Turkey.
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February 6, 2023 3:43pm
- Ghost
  
  Nz herald have an article up correctly calling it a 7.8, and in their video they label it an 8.7
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/78-magnitude-quake-knocks-down-buildings-in-central-turkey/NSRT3ZKO6JER3FL7GPZQ2YHLLY/
  
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  February 6, 2023 4:18pm
rouppe

What a load of rubbish coming from the WT
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February 6, 2023 4:53pm
Surely Knott

Chris Hipkins was not allowed to speak at Waitangi. It was weird , and never really made sense. Something was up. Why?

And now we know why. Chris Hipkins is speaking at the massive 20,000 people attending free all day concert in west Auckland at the marae. Willie Jackson, Phil Twyford John tamihere , Carmel Seoul o I and Chris Hipkins are on stage and the stage backdrop is a massive picture of the Maori party leader.

Was labour trying to distance themselves from treaty and cogovernance issues at Waitangi and instead link themselves to a free concert for Aucklanders featuring Stan walker. Much more positive vibes.. but I think that an why they weren’t at waitangi

https://www.facebook.com/129560433761907/posts/pfbid09kVBXToDH4uweRRCnSuFBpp26nLVB6Y6Z4mwDU7a7jojnYEahqXEu6VQ6rc75JDDl/?app=fbl
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February 6, 2023 5:12pm
- Ghost
  
  Hipkins spoke at Waitangi
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/political-leaders-to-be-greeted-at-waitangi-and-sent-a-message/4VKPGO4GWFBOPNOJ5L3AFJJTKA/
  
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  February 6, 2023 5:19pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Fair enough. Thanks. There was a lot of hoo ha in the paper about him not getting full speaking rights. But they certainly took the opportunity to promote the politicians at the concert.
    
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    February 6, 2023 6:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    Shaw made some sort of Gaia prayer .
    
    Wow.
    
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    February 6, 2023 6:32pm
Swifty

TVNZ plumbs new depths of incompetence:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yMiaV1IOxP4

Just cringeworthy.
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February 6, 2023 7:32pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How did she ever become deputy pm in 2017
  
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