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CJames

For a brief time in the news cycle, between breathlessly reporting reality shows and putting their perpetrators are the real victims slant on crimes, there was mention of the IPCC AR6 Synthesis report. If you missed it, don’t worry. It was just a rehash of the last 25 but with the date push out to cover up the failures of their past predictions. A varient of “we all doomed I tell ya” without the mordant wit of Private Frazer. The fact that the NZ author was a political science lecturer tells you all you need to know.
Roger Pielke Jr, a real climate scientist with family pedigree and referenced numerous times in the reports, eviscerates the report on his substack https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/has-the-ipcc-outlived-its-usefulness and is even more brutal on Twitter. Talking about the UN chief “ He is engaging in a Sokal-like experiment to see if there are any limits to climate hyperbole So far, apparently not “ as well as pointing out that the IPCC Committee have now jumped the shark.
To quote an extract of Roger’s on the latest report “ Readers here will know that the overall number of weather and climate disasters have decreased so far this century, economic losses as down as a proportion of economic activity and deaths and people affected by extremes are sharply down in recent decades.
In an effort to aid the work of the IPCC in 2020 I published a literature review of 54 studies on loss and damage which quantified the relative roles of climate and development in economic losses from weather extremes. The IPCC not only ignored my review, but in its literature review it also ignored 53 of the 54 papers, choosing to cite only one paper which asserted the attribution of losses to greenhouse gas emissions – the other 53 did not. None of this data or research gets mentioned by the IPCC, which is just remarkable.
Between the IPCC Synthesis Report’s evasion of the most recent literature on scenarios and the games it has played with loss and damage research and evidence, the IPCC is skating close to becoming a source of climate misinformation.” Ouch.
Remember this when discussion around the recent cyclones and climate change comes up. Event attribution isn’t science, it is scientific version of Lotto but without the skill. If a politician or activist waffles on about we have to act now, because this latest report says we only have a few years left, just ask why they don’t follow the science because the IPCC certainly doesn’t.
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March 26, 2023 8:00am
- Mike
  
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  Why do you consider Pielke to be a ‘real climate scientist’? How did you come to be able to distinguish his efforts from the many thousands of other climate scientists?
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:03am
  - CJames
    
    He has the qualifications, he does the research, he reads ALL the literature, he publishes the limitations and assumptions in his work, he doesn’t believe in advocacy, he calls out others he believes are indulging in either hyperbole or are just lying, he doesn’t do namecalling and he lets the facts speak for themselves. You know, the type of things good scientists in other fields do.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:39am
    - Mike
      
      Isn’t he a political scientist rather than a climatologist?
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:51am
      - Mike
        
        Roger A. Pielke Jr. (born November 2, 1968) is an American political scientist
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_A._Pielke_Jr.
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:43am
      - CJames
        
        What was his first degree in Mike?
        
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        March 26, 2023 12:15pm
      - CJames
        
        From his old faculty page (he’s now on sabbatical)
        ” Roger also received the Eduard Brückner Prize in Munich, Germany in 2006 for outstanding achievement in interdisciplinary climate research. Before joining the faculty of the University of Colorado, from 1993-2001 Roger was a Scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.”
        With that and his geology awards, plus the IPCC citations, looks pretty much like a scientist to me.
        
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        March 26, 2023 12:22pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Piekle Jr studies the economic consequences of weather events.
        
        Actual storms, typhoons, tropical cyclones etc…
        
        Not computer models of imaginary “events”… which seem to have bugga-all relation to real-time weather and climate.
        
        However, models fail to capture the magnitude and variability of the storm track, particularly canonical zonal asymmetry. Our results indicate the importance of the storm track is underestimated in CMIP6.
        
        https://www.authorea.com/users/594215/articles/628823-cmip6-model-fidelity-in-capturing-the-southern-hemisphere-storm-track-and-its-connections-with-low-frequency-variability
        
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        March 26, 2023 1:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You have given Mike 7 things to think about. Should Stop his trolling for a while.
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:54am
      - Mike
        
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        You could learn a thing or two here, Steve.
        
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        March 26, 2023 8:59am
      - CJames
        
        No it won’t Steve. He will come back complaining that they were listed in the wrong order or they was a misplaced punctuation mark. (I will give you a hint milky, I wrote it myself, not doing an unacknowledged cut and paste or rewrite of someone else’s work).
        He just does hit and run trolling, never debating the substance or defending his own statements.
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @CJames.
        Spray and Walk Away?
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:38am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        You want to get further ahead on the trolling Steve?
        
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        March 26, 2023 11:48am
  - herb1
    
    Perhaps the fact that 53 of 54 scientific papers supported His contention , that damage from extreme weather events is less now, is confirmation he’s in the mainstream of climate science ,not the minority
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:44am
    - Mike
      
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      Just to repeat – he is not a climate scientist.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:44am
      - Matt Long
        
        You should read your own links Mike.
        
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        March 26, 2023 11:19am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Climate science moved out of the realm of meteorologists and atmospheric scientists about 40 years ago. …. sometime before it was put into the “safe-keeping” of a railway engineer and fantasist.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajendra_K._Pachauri
        
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        March 26, 2023 1:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The climate is extremely complex. Studying it involves numerous disciplines. Degrees in “climate science” are a very recent thing and will be spreading these required climate related specialisations very thin.
    
    If you look at prime alarmists like (Mann and Hansen) loved by the far left and hardcore watermelons, they have a track record of pulling ridiculous propaganda shenanigans and making numerous failed predictions (which is the fingerprint of echo-chamber derived faulty “science”).
    
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    March 26, 2023 12:09pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Mike you realise some of the most published and senior scientists in the climate field have called bullshit on the climate alarm and the IPCC’s processes? The climate-cult machine of course tries to bury these scientists with smear.
    
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    March 26, 2023 12:22pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Mike knows as well as I do that climate change is just another coat hanger for socialist revolution and the dismantling of capitalism. If it’s true or not matters zero. Everyone thought the war with socialism and its big brother communism ended in 1989 , wishful thinking , have you ever tried to get rid of rats from your barn? Climate change may or may not exist, I don’t know but I suspect releasing billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in such a short period of time can’t be good for anything. That’s not the point , the point is are we trying to tackle an environment issue or bring about 19th century proletariat revolution?
      
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      March 26, 2023 6:35pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Thanks for your insight CJ, I look forward to them whilst working at sea.
  
  Meanwhile in reality, Have you seen these?
  
  “Shell also released a report in which it detailed two different scenarios for the future to 2050. In those scenarios, the supermajor’s analysts pitted energy security against the energy transition – something the IPCC reports have never done. ”
  
  https://oilprice.com/The-Environment/Global-Warming/Energy-Transition-Advocates-Get-A-Reality-Check.html
  
  And regarding the Shell report,
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/energy-transition-advocates-get-reality-check?commentId=641dab4b540d31001c16f133
  
  “So do all the scenarios of transition advocates. They are all based on a series of assumptions, some of them dangerously far-fetched, such as the assumption that there will be enough metals for EVs to take over roads. And assumptions are risky allies. Although sometimes grounded in reality, most of the transition assumptions appear to be grounded in wishes rather than facts. And wishes do not make reality or bring energy security into spontaneous existence.”
  Unquote.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:03am
  - CJames
    
    Yes MM. I have seen them. You should also read Manhattan Contrarian. He writes with a wicked sense of humour about the stupidity of virtue signalling politicians in New York.
    So does Paul Homewood about the UK
    
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    March 26, 2023 12:27pm
  - Okahu
    
    Master Mariner. You have excerpted some comment on a report which clearly jibes with your thinking. That comment states in part… “They are all based on a series of assumptions, some of them dangerously far-fetched, such as the assumption that there will be enough metals for EVs to take over roads.”
    
    That does indeed sound alarming. As if we are perusing a transition to a technology that we haven’t the resources to implement.
    
    You will be delighted I’m sure to hear of recent developments in battery technology. CATL, possibly the worlds biggest battery maker have now begun commercial production of lithium free batteries. Instead they use sodium, an element with 100x the abundance and a fraction of the mining cost. In their batteries they have not achieved quite the performance of lithium. It was thought however that these sodium batteries could perform best as fixed batteries.
    
    But lo, the boffins have boffined and wada u know? BYD one of the worlds biggest e car manufacturers have released a car in China with a Na battery, a 250k range and a price tag sub US$9k! VW another company you will have heard of have also begun developing sodium ion batteries.
    
    Since you put sufficient store in your research to put it up for consideration I thought you would like to be aware of just one of the rapidly developing energy storage technologies. Because if you wish to dismiss the future of e vehicles based on resource concerns, you may have failed to account for boffins and risk takers and other critical elements to markets. Easily done.
    
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    March 26, 2023 1:50pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks Okahu for sharing.
      Ill definately look into it.
      On a personal note, as previously stated. I think the technology of e vehicles as fantastic, However not for the silver bullet proposed in reducing climate change.
      For instance you do not destroy energy until you have replacement measures in place. Think Oil and Gas.
      Disclaimer, I work in the O&G industry and last month drove a Tesla. Beaming from ear to ear.
      It really seemed like there was a new breakthrough weekly in battery technology which did not eventuate. Hence probably taking my eye of the ball.
      I sincerely hope you are right.
      Regarding Shell, They have an extremely Strategic views of the World on a 30 year scale with accurate internal reports.
      Very very smart thinking.
      Dont dismiss the messaging in their report and keep an open mind as well as im sure you do.
      You have given me my homework for the night.
      Thankyou.
      
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      March 26, 2023 4:18pm
      - Okahu
        
        Your’e most welcome. As I understand it Tesla is a part owner of CATL putting them in a prime position to utilise the tech in higher end vehicles. It seems features of the sodium battery include excellent performance in cold climates which overcomes an issue for lithium. It makes hybrid chemistry a possible stepping stone to complete industry domination of the road transport sector.
        
        The potential for sodium battery production at scale stationary storage could change everything. A building with a solar array and a salt battery may never pay peak prices again. The ability to safely and economically store energy where produced and used is of course hugely advantageous. I’m sure it is something those advocating for pumped hydro will be considering.
        
        If not already aware you might also be interested in sand batteries. The first working examples of this tech have been built and promise seasonal heating for cold climate buildings with the battery of sand charged when the sun shines and or wind blows.
        
        As to the cumulative wisdom and intelligence of the carbon sector, absolutely. As you will no doubt be aware it was Exxon who were amongst the first to make public the inevitable global warming implications of using their product. Their models from the 1970s have proven remarkably accurate in their predictive ability. Obviously the profit motive their enterprise is built on made those concerns academic, until they happened.
        
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        March 26, 2023 7:27pm
Mike

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Happy Purple Day – celebrating epilepsy!
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March 26, 2023 8:01am
- MCōs
  
  I have epilepsy.
  It’s not something one celebrates particularly as the medication is tough on the liver. As can be covid.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:53am
  - Ghost
    
    Have a look at low dose naltrexone, may be worth talking to your gp about
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:45am
  - Mike
    
    It’s a celebration of epileptic people, not an endorsement of the deleterious effects of a serious illness.
    In medieval times, your symptoms might have led you to be regarded as divine, and perhaps even canonized.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:52am
    - Taieri
      
      In medieval times, your symptoms might have led you to be regarded as divine
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      In medieval times epileptics were considered to be possessed by demons and subjected to some very very unpleasant treatment.
      
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      March 26, 2023 11:18am
      - Mike
        
        It’s always been difficult to distinguish between the divine spark and demonic possession. Forces one to choose between opposing imaginary elements.
        
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        March 26, 2023 2:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mike at 2.,47: It’s always been difficult to distinguish between the divine spark and demonic possession …
        
        If a priest’s advice isn’t working for you Mike, a psychiatrist might help.
        
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        March 26, 2023 3:32pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I also have epilepsy MCos, and for once I agree wholeheartedly with you. I am on a daily dose of Dilantin, and have been seizure-free since 1990. In the mid 1980’s, my GP took me off medication after ten fit-free years; unfortunately I had a seizure a month later refereeing a game of club rugby.
    
    Medication lets me live a normal life, and apart from one Liver Function Test that is regularly dysfunctional, and difficulty maintaining healthy gums, I have few problems. I’ve been on the stuff now since 1975, and will be until they screw the lid down. I wish I could be as glib about epilepsy as Mike so obviously is.
    
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    March 26, 2023 12:52pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Alice Walker, famed feminist & author of The Colour Purple, has just been depersoned by the trans mob.
  
  Ironic, much?
  
  https://centreforstories.com/events/fem-book-club-the-color-purple/
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:14am
  - Mike
    
    This ‘trans mob’ sounds dangerous. Are they as numerous as the mongrel mob?
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:46am
    - alloytoo
      
      Judging by Albert Park yesterday. Yes and less law abiding.
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:20pm
      - Paulus
        
        They do not see why any laws apply to them !
        
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        March 26, 2023 1:33pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The violent and unhinged woke fascists are definitely more numerous than the MM.
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:24pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  When is it happy jug of beer day? Oh wait I have worked it out myself, that’s every day 😃👍🏻🍺 as you were foot soldier.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:07am
  - Mike
    
    It must already be beer o’clock somewhere in the world.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, I will be heading down at 1 PM
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:04pm
Scott

The shutdown of Posie Parker yesterday shows us we are in the grip of a transgender cult.

Aided and abetted by the media, I’m looking at you Tova O’Brien, NZs worst reporter, this cult brooks no opposition.
https://www.todayfm.co.nz/home/opinion/2023/03/tova-obrien-posie-parker-is-coming-take-a-stand-we-all-have-to.html

Parker stands up for women’s rights and an audience came to hear her speak including many older women. They were harassed and threatened by a mainly younger mob of blue haired people who poured soup over the speaker and threatened her so much that she feared for her life.

The police desperate to prove their new status of being as useless as tits on a bull, did nothing to protect the speaker. Finally when she went to go they at last protected her. It seems our police force are only forceful against protestors in Wellington protesting the mandates?Women’s rights protestors, ram raiders, looters in the Hawkes Bay, not so much?

The only leaders speaking out for Parker were Brian Tamaki and David Seymour. Chris Luxon was nowhere to be found while government ministers like Michael Wood were among the trans mob.

We’re in the grip of a trans cult. The blue haired people are our new overlords. Their message, we are the victims and if you oppose us we will use the media and the police to destroy you.
New Zealanders, when will you wake up?
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March 26, 2023 8:01am
- G152
  
  Where were all those womens lib advocates to protect Parker and her right to speak?
  And the police were as usual inept and ‘sending a message’
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, just imagine if this was a queer speaking about queer rights, and an alt right activist started spraying liquid at the queer. That’s right, utter outrage.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The women activists of the left are often absent…
    
    especially when women, men and children are being assaulted by folks affiliated with the Labour Party and Gangs.
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:41am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    This is what I cannot fathom, why so many feminists seem to think they are striking a blow against the patriarchy by supporting calls for trans rights.
    
    Every right that trans activists are demanding, can only be granted at the expense of women’s comfort, dignity, privacy, safety and opportunity.
    
    No man will be inconvenienced in the slightest.
    
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    March 26, 2023 3:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      1. For some women, political issues such as socialism/communism/tribalism trump the rights of females.
      
      2. For some women what benefits them trumps the rights of other females.
      
      3. For some women, the views of males trump their own rights.
      
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      March 26, 2023 5:53pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Why is the trans crowd so violent? Demands backed by the threat of force will never earn respect. Rather, they will only earn well deserved ridicule.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:40am
  - Scott
    
    “Why is the trans crowd so violent?”
    
    The trans crowd is so violent because they are at war. They are at war with the idea of two genders, which every civilisation has held since time immemorial. They are at war with their opponents and with free speech because they fear that their ideas will be superseded by better ideas.
    
    But most of all they are at war with their biological sex. They hate their biological sex and want to change it. So in the final analysis, they are at war with themselves.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:53am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Trans women – ie, those who were previously men but now claim to be women – aren’t at war with their biological sex, ie men.
      
      They’re at war with women.
      
      It’s women whose privacy, dignity, opportunity and safety they want to take away. No sacrifice or even mild inconvenience is expected of men.
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:15am
      - JohnRidd
        
        Also I think they are angry because they were told they could become a woman by taking a few pills and undergoing surgery.
        The actual result is a very poor substitute for the real thing and they know it.
        
        Their solution is to try to redefine the meaning of woman. They don’t seem to care that this can have real consequences for real women.
        
        I think we need to have a grown-up conversation about the best way to help people with gender disphoria. I think there is sufficient evidence that the transgender paradigm has significant problems.
        
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        March 26, 2023 11:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s spot on.
        
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        March 26, 2023 11:30am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        There are genuine trans people and there are politically motivated frenzied woke idiots. Two different creatures I think.
        
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        March 26, 2023 12:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, I compare some of the activists to Georgina Beyer, what an insult they are to everything she did.
        
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        March 26, 2023 12:38pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree. I don’t believe nature creates as many freaks as were protesting at the Posie fiasco yesterday.
        
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        March 26, 2023 1:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They are at war with the idea of two genders,
      
      Yes, the Green Party really has a problem with having restricted itself to shared gendered leadership..and then only a Male Leader and a Female Leader.
      
      Where is the equity for an Intersex person to become a Green Leader… or the Person who identifies as non-gendered?
      
      Not a party that embraces diversity at all, I reckon.
      
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      March 26, 2023 11:37am
    - Burtland
      
      What we’re seeing is a wedge being driven thru the alphabet community by the left.
      
      The trans community is being separated out to become the lefts [Mod – deleted] – they’ve been radicalized to do the lefts dirty work.
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:13pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    According to the media, Posie is the dangerous violent person. So how come it is the protesters that are throwing tomato soup and inciting violence? And Posie is the one scared for her life and being forced out of the country?
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:23am
  - Clyde
    
    Why are they violent? Because they believe that everyone should think the same way as they do and violence is just part of their way of ensuring their warped point of view is put in front of a compliant media.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:31am
- Philview
  
  Stuff have put out a bizarre article linking Keen-Minshull and Alan Turing. If this lady has not attacked gay men I would call it slanderous. There is a big difference between bigoted views about gay men and not wanting trans men in female spaces.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I read the first two paragraphs. Can’t be bothered with any more of her nonsense.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:58am
  - CJames
    
    That is two more than I would bother with. Jessica the Tova has tainted her forever in my eyes.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:14am
- TS Child
  
  I think we’re in the grip of a ‘Victim Cult’. If you’re not being oppressed by something, you’re clearly not doing it right. Except for biological women. Whose natural place is at the bottom of the heap. Not possible to oppress them. A civilized society protects free speech – if those opposing yesterday’s rally were civilized, they could have organized their own rally and aired their views. Instead they bullied. No pride in that sort of behavior.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:10am
  - Taieri
    
    Except for biological women.
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    “Biological women” implies that there’re other kinds of women, i.e. non-biological. Is there really any need to qualify women this way?
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:21am
- JJ56
  
  National’s justice spokesperson Paul Goldsmith told Newshub “there is no such thing as free speech if people are allowed to intimidate anyone they don’t like”.
  
  “National affirms the right to protest but we condemn the use of violence. That’s not how we should deal with differences of opinion in this country.”
  
  From Newhub’s website.
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:02am
  - PeeJay
    
    That’s weak, really weak.
    
    Where is the outrage at what happened? Where is the call for the lunatic left mob to be held to account for incitement to violence and disturbance of the peace? Where is the calling out of Davidson to be stripped of her portfolio’s for racist and sexist language unbecoming of a politician let alone a minister of the crown? Where is the outrage over the Police’s lack of response?
    
    Nope. Wouldn’t want to hold a strong opinion – the play school crew on TVNZ might not be nice to you on the couch on Monday morning eh?
    
    Every sane person in this country should be furious at the lunatic left for yesterdays public shame. Mild ‘dissapointed’ comments won’t cut it.
    
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    March 26, 2023 12:28pm
    - Ghost
      
      Do you really want politicians calling out for someone to be prosecuted? I don’t. I’d rather that is left without interference to the police. Wasn’t that long ago a minister lost the police portfolio for suggesting that police appeal a decision, and now you want the opposition to call for prosecution?
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:35pm
  - JJ56
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/posie-parker-protest-christopher-luxon-says-right-to-free-speech-must-be-protected.html
    
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    March 26, 2023 7:55pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Police under Coster have now become politicised. Prior to Coster I suspected some Commissioners were a little too close to the Government of the day ready to do their bidding but now there is no pretence. Coster takes his orders directly from the 9th Floor.
  He is a disgrace to the uniform. My late Uncle who was Commander of South Auckland in the 1970s would be ashamed of him. Frank was a coppers copper not a woke snowflake like this moron.
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:49am
- peterwn
  
  Therein lies one of the dilemmas of a party leader. Chris Luxon’s over-arching objective is to win the forthcoming election. He is on a lose-lose here. Express support for *REAL* women and you have the noisy rowdy gay community down your throat. Express support for the noisy rowdy mob and you have the conservatives down your throat. His most pragmatic course is to keep his head below the parapet.
  I strongly suspect which side he has more support for.
  The problem is the issue does not affect most women unless they are top sportswomen or find some odd creature in the Ladies. Instead they have been successfully wooed by Jacinda, her spin doctors and the media.
  
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  March 26, 2023 1:01pm
  - sirknz
    
    It doesn’t affect them yet. By the time it does affect them, it will be too late.
    
    Tried explaining this to my wife and her take is “I’ve never encountered this in my daily life so it isn’t a problem”
    
    Just looking at what has already happened overseas with self identification, it is not long till we start seeing this stuff happening here.
    
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    March 26, 2023 4:20pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Auckland Area Police Commander should be sacked for organising a grossly inadequate presence at Posy Parker’s Auckland speech venue.
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March 26, 2023 8:02am
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t forget, our Police Force also participates in Gay Pride parades as does our Military.
  IMO, we are well on the way to being submissive to a sick, twisted, and perverted cult.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Do the police and our military go because they support rainbow issues, or are they persuaded to go, perhaps a government requirement
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:32am
    - Nickc2
      
      Voluntary.
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        Would the police hierarchy get promotions if they did not attend?
        
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        March 26, 2023 11:21am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Are you sure?
        
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        March 26, 2023 12:05pm
      - sirknz
        
        There is voluntary and then there is ‘voluntary’. It is likely to be the latter.
        
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        March 26, 2023 4:21pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Matt @ 11:21AM
      Suggest you put that question to Ginny Anderson. She knows everything about everything (spit spit) that involves the Police. She only needs to ask her husband eh?
      
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      March 26, 2023 11:48am
      - Paulus
        
        No, she might get a better answer from her Husband’s Police Dog – he will have more sense.
        
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        March 26, 2023 1:36pm
- nathie
  
  Definitely questions needs to be asked of the Auckland Police Commander as well as Police Commissioner Coster and Police Minister Anderson.
  
  Why wasn’t there a Police presence at the rotunda where the speakers were?
  
  Have the Police forgotten “how to Police”?
  
  Look at the coverage from Australia, there the Police were clearly visible separating the two groups so that one group couldn’t overwhelm the other.
  
  At Auckland yesterday, it looked like zero, nil Police presence at the rotunda.
  
  So when (mainly men) counter-protesters broke down the flimsy fence barricades to launch their hatred at the women speakers (there was meant to be more than one) the counter-protesters were largely unhindered.
  
  Again where were the Police?
  
  Who (Police) made the decision for the front line Police to not do their duty and man the barricades to keep the two groups separated?
  
  Why didn’t the Police learn from what their Australian counterparts were doing?
  
  Why didn’t the Police factor in the prior couple of days of “aggression” coming from the counter-protest groups – both themselves via their own social media or from MSM reports – saying they needed to mobilise en-mass and disrupt the Women speakers?
  
  What if the Women speakers were seriously injured by violent counter-protesters? I have read SM reports (unverified) of retiree age women being punched (is this true)?
  
  The Police failed law abiding NZ’ers – Women speakers who simply wanted a safe, public space in which to discuss issues that are important to them.
  
  The least the Police can do now is review and acknowledge their failures to ensure this never happens again … against non-threatening WOMEN speakers and apologise to them!
  
  The other thing the Police can do, via the mountain of social media & MSM evidence, is now track those agitators from the far-left and put them on file. Haha.
  
  How about some arrests? To demonstrate there are consequences for those breaking the law? Surely a bunch of civil disobedience laws were broken?
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:54am
  - grumpy
    
    Job for Wayne Brown first thing Monday.
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Inspector Gary Davey shows complete lack of organisation.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:01am
- MCōs
  
  Parker had organised her own security that turned out to be woefully inadequate.
  It was also painfully obvious the location was entirely inappropriate.
  She should have consulted Bishop Brian. He knows how to run unpopular rallies.
  
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  March 26, 2023 12:11pm
Tomtoddy

The bigoted, intolerance of the “tolerant”

The egocentric, arrogance of the “repressed”

The shallow, pretence of the “downtrodden”

The extravagant, garishness of the “harassed”

The supercilious, infallibility of the “persecuted”

The loudmouthing, self-absorption of the “abused”
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March 26, 2023 8:03am
- Swifty
  
  Now that the left hold the whip hand they have proved themselves just as authoritarian, domineering, brooking no opposition and capable of using the powers of the state to stifle opposition as any that came before them.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:08am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Are you describing all Kiwiblog comments, or just some of them?
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:11am
  - Lee C
    
    Nicely done Mike.
    
    As you are perfectly entitled to do.
    
    For now…
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:31am
  - mandk
    
    Well done, Mike.
    
    It’s only 8.11 am and you have already gone full smartarse. How are you going to manage to keep it up for the rest of the day?
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:37am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Make a reasoned case for what the left and media supported trans activists and supporters did yesterday Mike. Put a case for the thugs veto.
    
    Truly… I wish to hear the justification from such an erudite and considered commentator as yourself..
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:44am
    - Mike
      
      Is that what Tomtoddy was ranting about? Seems to me he could be a little more specific.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:48am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Again no counter just snark. Come now Mikey you are better than that. Make the argument about why the mob on saturday were right to use violence to get their way.
        
        You wont because you know once one side of a debate is authorised to impose their view by violence that all the other sides are justified to go the route of violence as well.
        
        The Trans Activists at Albert Park went way to far… Way, way to far. And you know it – you just cant bring yourself to admit it
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:13am
  - Matt Long
    
    Just your comments Mike , ☺️☺️☺️
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:53am
2ic

This needs to be shared far and wide:
https://www.speakupforwomen.nz/post/media-release-when-the-oppressed-becomes-the-oppressor

Somehow I don’t think we’ll be seeing it reported in the mainstream media.
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March 26, 2023 8:04am
- Swifty
  
  Hear hear.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:10am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Isn’t there a whole other thread on this tiresome nonsense?
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:13am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    There is the authoritarian and dismissive Leftie on display from Mike. Nice work Mike…
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My scroll button is broken dear Liza, dear Liza.
    Then fix it dear Mikey, dear Mikey, fix it!
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      How many still humming that song? LOL!
      
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      March 26, 2023 11:34am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Is Liza your cross over name Steve?
      
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      March 26, 2023 11:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nah, Liza is the girlfriend you share with Mike.
        Ready Brian, I don’t even know an Elizabeth.
        
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        March 26, 2023 4:42pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    So you find the fact that a large number of women in New Zealand have been denied the opportunity to hear the views of a pro-women advocate “tiresome” Mike.
    Because it doesn’t suit your bias.
    You sound like an old fashioned misogynist.
    Poor you.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:07am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Organised violence against lawful, free speech is ‘tiresome nonsense’? Your true colours are ugly, milky.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:14am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      So says an organiser and fundraiser of the Parliament protest.
      
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      March 26, 2023 11:57am
- amospicton
  
  And every freedom these people have gained are the result of freedom of speech, the right to challenge societal norms.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:14am
  - Swifty
    
    Excellent point.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, but we all know deep down they are just hypocrites.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “This country’s fucked”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/25/anti-trans-activist-posie-parker-ends-new-zealand-tour-after-violent-protests-erupt
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:17am
  - Mike
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    She will be glad to be heading back to her own country then. Perhaps her message will find more approval there.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:22am
    - Lee C
      
      [Mod – Deleted – everyone just calm it down]
      
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      December 26, 2022 8:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Such a pity little women don’t know their place, eh?
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:39am
      - Mike
        
        I feel sad if that’s your opinion of women:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifeminism
        
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        March 26, 2023 8:49am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It’s a disgrace the left are anti women’s rights, I guess they want birth partner rights only, no such thing as a woman with these crazies.
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      [Use proper names. mod.]
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      Perhaps if she’d attempted to deliver her speech in new-age Maori speak, there wouldn’t be any problems eh?
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        She could of scones someone with a lump of Pumanu.
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “This country’s fucked”
    So Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull/Posey Parker, I do hope you read this. NZ is not ‘fucked’
    You have met up with a bunch of arseholes who are showing their true faces. They are in the business of social disruption – caused by an underlying mental condition.
    I did hear you calling “where are the fucking POLICE!” Yes, they were hiding in a side street.
    Sorry you had such a bad experience, but that can not be changed now. There are 5 million people in NZ. We are not all like those bitches. 🙂
    
    [Mod – can you tone your language down]
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Quote I wrote is a direct quote from Posey Parker at the rotunda. She was calling for the invisible Police.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:42am
      - Mike
        
        Perhaps she will join the chat on Kiwiblog and find that DPF has imposed quite sensible policies to moderate the discussions.
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:54am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Mike 9.54am
        
        Trust you to stick up for the vulgarity of the left.
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:39am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Ministers of the Crown instigated and supported this riot.
      
      This country is indeed fucked, as Ms Parker so aptly pointed out.
      
      Hundreds of police can turn up to crush a protest at parliament in full riot gear, but not when the riot is state sanctioned it appears.
      
      New Zimbabwe more and more respresents a best-case scenario
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:57am
      - nathie
        
        Better buy wheelbarrows now (before they cost millions) to move all that soon-to-be worthless cash around!!
        
        Thanks Grant Robertson!!
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:30am
    - krazykiwi
      
      If I’m not mistaken, that looks very much like a mod removing personal abuse with, well, personal abuse.
      
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      March 26, 2023 4:52pm
    - RdM
      
      Perhaps kk you are conflating robust or even pungent conversation, let alone the mod’s succinct note, with a rather weak woke idea of ‘personal abuse’ yourself, and thus do mistake it?
      
      The post could have been about anything.
      Maybe the mod call of immature idiot was right.
      “Grow up idiot” could be great advice.
      
      Hardly abusive.
      
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      March 26, 2023 6:33pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Posie Parker has exposed the ugliness of the activist left and taken it international. She may have been denied the right to speak, but she has let the trans, anti women crowd reveal themselves for what they really are. Ugly thugs.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:51am
    - Richard
      
      Incredibly ugly. Like the freakshow I saw in the Hutt riding an e scooter. About 6 foot 2 of muscle and body hair done up in fishnet stockings and terrible make up. This type of person wants to get changed beside my daughters at the pools. No way.
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:55am
      - Mike
        
        The Lower Hutt swimming pools have ample provision for different types of changing rooms. Do you think that strange adult women are in the habit of following your daughters into shared changing rooms? Have there been any incidents of trans women attacking children at Lower Hutt swimming pools, or at ant any swimming pools?
        Judging by decades of history, your daughter are much more likely to be attacked by a family member or ‘trusted’ member of the community.
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:39am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Mike, you want men undressing in front of girls. LMAO 100% pure troll.
        
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        March 28, 2023 9:49pm
    - kowtow
      
      Te Media Pardy haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory either.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:18am
    - mawm
      
      Rich Prick – exactly.
      
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      March 26, 2023 3:25pm
  - rockape
    
    She probably has a bigger audience than NZ media. Your right what the protestors have sown the rest of us will reap.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:55am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yup
      
      Wonder how we are going attracting nurses and doctors to want to come and live here….?
      
      Come to New Zealand, enjoy the violent riots, the ramraids, the meth fuelled patients, and the feral scum that inhabit our cities…
      
      …Stay for the Woke indoctrination and the grooming of your children.
      
      A compelling value proposition.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:59am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hey Rocky. Can you organise a speech by a queer, snd we will go protest with ferocious anger and hit things and though fluids at the queer and stamp our feet.
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:42am
      - rockape
        
        Helen Clark does a few standup !
        
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        March 26, 2023 1:56pm
  - Opie
    
    She’s not wrong.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:56am
- Gravelroad
  
  @2ic
  Yes, let’s see if Mr Hipkins has the guts to stand up for women’s rights in New Zealand and condemn mob violence.
  Waiting……………………..
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He would not dare. He has been sitting on the fence that long, his arse is sore.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:27am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yeah right
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:43am
- Stew
  
  I keep hearing that the police on the ground are doing a good job, but the leadership is screwed up. Was that the case here, where the police on the ground didn’t protect her?
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:26am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The “Police on the ground” were waiting in a side street. This hasn’t been a great start to Ginny Andersen’s tenure as their minister.
    
    https://twitter.com/coconutfist12/status/1639503974578679810?s=61&t=S06K__sSWOujzBFJNSl3qg
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Allow me to reword that for you Tony, please.
      The “Police on the ground were hiding in a side street.”
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:36am
    - Matt Long
      
      The police looked embarrassed to be there, I fear that the wokest government and police hierarchy will cause our better police to leave, those who haven’t left already.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The job of a Policeman is not Police work anymore. It is cuddling the rabid left.
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:22am
    - pdm
      
      `The “Police on the ground” were waiting in a side street. ‘
      
      Hiding?
      
      Definitely abrogating their responsibilities.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Wellington event has been cancelled.
  ” Mrs Keen-Minshull’s security team have advised her that they cannot keep her safe from mob violence and the police have declined to do so.”
  I did say the other day that I wonder why NZ has a Police force, a Ministry of Justice, a Ministry of Police, etc. They are just cosy jobs where you get paid for doing nothing.
  
  The Auckland even could have been different had the POLICE been there. They did arrive but too late. If the POLICE did not know, they were the only ones in Auckland that did not know. Maybe they were scared? Maybe cuddled orders from the top not to intervene?
  Uselees useless useless useless POLICE!
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    I wonder if there was ministerial interference in the police conduct or if police leadership are wanting to be trans supportive.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:42am
    - Mike
      
      I also speculate about all sorts of crazy ideas.
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:53am
      - Matt Long
        
        We noticed.
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ginny flexing her new muscles?
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:25am
    - jon
      
      Re ministerial interference, i wouldnt be surprised, given Ginney Andersen’s comment on tv, that Posey Parker held Far Right views.
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:58am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        They call them far right, because the far left don’t like what a centrist says
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:46am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am waiting to see the first policemen with big knockers hahahahaha
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:12pm
  - G152
    
    They should have used the police who attended the protests at Parliament.
    I wonder where they were
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:44am
- Matt Long
  
  So who won yesterday’s little bit of theater?
  The Labour and Green activist won on the ground and played to their woke base but alienated a large sector of New Zealand even further.
  Violent trans activists will feel a huge boost but are building up a lot of ill feeling towards themselves.
  Ms Parker got a Martyr’s victory and will be more famous than she could have dreamed. Her YouTube channel if not demonitised will be humming for her.
  The police avoided making trans martyrs, kept up their woke credentials but looked very weak.
  The MSM did their usual misrepresentation, stirred up dissension and would have gotten a lot of traffic, a big win for them.
  Vision NZ kept their ground and had a well run rally but probably failed to connect as well as any of 5he other parties.
  New Zealand as a whole would have lost even more shine as a destination for tourists or quality immigrants.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:40am
  - Mike
    
    ‘Vision NZ’ couldn’t even get all the party votes of the Destiny Church faithful in 2020. Do you think they will do better this time?
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:56am
    - Matt Long
      
      No
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:01am
      - Mike
        
        Perhaps a coalition of like-minded bigots will do better.
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:56am
      - Matt Long
        
        I certainly has Mike, the Labour Greens government has a commanding majority.
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Mike @ 9.56 AM
        
        Why does the left think people with a differing view are bigots? This speech was not just about trans rights, that was one part, much of it was about women’s rights
        
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        March 26, 2023 12:16pm
  - kowtow
    
    Reference your last para.
    
    Parker’s juice assailant , born male . Has refugee status .
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:04am
    - nathie
      
      Wonderful, NZ gives people at risk a safe haven and rather than simply inflicting their worldviews on us they literally ram it down our throats and attack people that they disagree with.
      
      Can said born male (that is a clear and everlasting threat to women) be convicted and deported by chance?
      
      After all, her “tomato juice”* attack was the catalyst that started the crowd “insurrection” that overwhelmed the barriers and security detail.
      
      *what if it were acid or some other chemical that (overseas) men throw onto woman?
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:53am
      - Dougal10
        
        If it had been an attack on a left wing speaker the tomato juice would have been classed as acidic and the headline would have read as such.
        
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        March 26, 2023 11:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I really wanted to hear Posey Parker talk. Unfortunately her free speech was censored by a bunch of unruly rabid bastards who were left to do as they please by Police lack of action.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:29am
    - Mike
      
      Here you go Steve. She spoke with Kim Hill:
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018883114/anti-transgender-activist-on-stoush-around-her-entering-nz
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Kim Hill? You expect me to listen? What a joke!
        
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        March 26, 2023 11:40am
      - Mike
        
        Oh Steve, Kim Hill was being criticized on RNZ this morning for going to easy on Parker.
        Perhaps you will feel safer getting back to worrying how Trump and De Santis can’t seem to get along.
        
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        March 26, 2023 12:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ mike 12.33.
        Isn’t the media just great? De Santis are friends, but Politics is Politics.
        If not Politics – the media make it Politics. You are not an American plant in Radio NZ are you?
        
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      - Mike
        
        That’s a good answer, Steve. Any quarrel between your heroes is someone else’s fault.
        
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        March 26, 2023 5:22pm
Warren

Has our Police Force become compromised by all the work and lies they used for this Labour Government, if not wasn’t there presence and lack of numbers showed at the Possy Parker rally yesterday.
Anyone with any brains could have worked out they wished for this situation to happen.
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March 26, 2023 8:06am
- Lee C
  
  If only they’d brought the same moxy they showed beating up ‘anti-vaxxers’ outside Parliament, eh?
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    To be fear it was some time before police called for volunteers with a bit of mongrol to bash the protesters, initially police were relatively restrained for most of the protest.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:45am
    - kowtow
      
      They tried arresting people off the lawn early on .
      
      Those people weren’t breaking any laws .In fact they had a court established right to be there . The man who apparently ordered the arrest action , the Speaker , was one of the reasons those protesters had a right to be there , his own arrest ( and Hipkin’s ) being part of the legal right to be there.
      
      I wonder how many of those arrestees , the early ones ,were among the over one hundred who’s charges were dropped ( given the police had overstepped their authority).
      
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      March 26, 2023 1:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think the Police in that situation were just sick of the Barry Manilow music that some jerk was playing.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You may have hit the nail on the head! Personally, I think the Police had orders not to intervene unless things got out of hand.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  Out police appear to focus on upholding the whims of the government rather than upholding the law. This use of legitimate power as a private militia is a hallmark of metastasizing authoritarianism.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:09am
  - mawm
    
    This has become a phenomenon in all the previously liberal democracies in the West.
    
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    March 26, 2023 3:31pm
- rockape
  
  Why would any person even think about joining the police. It certainly wouldn’t be to serve and protect the people.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Salary,
    
    Holidays,
    
    Police Officers usually get 3-4 days a week off, rather than just two. With a bit of planning, you can get more time for recreation and whānau than in other careers.
    
    Police Officers typically accrue 42 days paid leave from the first year out of college, increasing to 45 days from the fifth year of service. This includes the normal entitlement to public holidays, although these often need to be worked so the leave is available to be taken as alternative days. You’ll also receive hour for hour leave to compensate for any overtime that may be required, and there are additional leave types for specific situations.
    
    https://www.newcops.govt.nz/about-the-job/pay-benefits
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:23am
Paulus

I am both saddened and ashamed of what happened yesterday in Auckland.
I suppose we can expect more of the same from a tiny saddened minority, which from the pictures, show were mainly of what is sometimes known as screaming feminists.
Disapointing for our Country of so called free speech which means you can say whatever you like as long as it is what I want to hear and agree with you..
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March 26, 2023 8:11am
Master Mariner

A comment a couple of days ago about how US has been restocking its Strategic Oil supplies got having another look,
https://www.ft.com/content/b40b8d05-d609-4b6e-aa9d-5f90ef9e524d
“Energy secretary says it will be ‘difficult’ for Biden administration to take advantage of low oil prices”.
Wow, Really //
What should be front and centre, Is who is going to sell Oil back to US?
Saudi’s, Nope not much any more,
Russians, Nope Not after sanctions.
Brazil, Nope Part of BRICS
Venuzuela, Nope as above’ish.

You really could not be this incompetent surely? US gone from an Exporter to Net Importer in 4 years or so.

Warning to NZ, “Tread carefully”.
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March 26, 2023 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now if NZ had a refinery we could buy some of those US reserves Joe keeps selling.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:40am
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, we import all our petroleum products through maritime shipping lanes that can be very easily and rapidly closed.
  This dependence was bought about by a woman who was and probably still is a member of an international One World Govt movement whose tentacles spread out far and wide and are funded by people I would describe as less than reputable.
  IMO, the next election and political activities leading up to it should not let voters forget that the current Govt bought this about and they certainly have no intention of making us less dependent on imported petroleum products.
  They have succeeded in placing NZ in a situation that will take a couple of decades to remove itself from given the political will to do so and I currently don’t see any of that.
  Fuck Labour and the Greens!
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:23am
Lee C

Excuse the repetition – I masde a first draft of this on teh Posie Parker discussion, but edited it and could not register the edit. I still think this requires to be ‘mansplained’ – if I may be so bold:

I personally lay the responsibility for this violence solely at the feet of the media. They have clearly incited people with a proclivity for violence to act in a violent manner.

They have made up a label for this poor woman, for having the temerity to stand up for women. So misogyuny is again enshrined. ‘My body, my choice’ is now a relic of a by-gone era.

Now this same woman who for some bizarre reason have expressed misgivings about not being allowed a safe space to undress and toilet or be incarcerated is considered a fair target is she appears in public. WHare are we – in teh Middle East?

This same woman and anyone who appears to want to listen to her stand up for a safe space for women are considered fair game and somehow deserving of spite and terror and are fearful for their safety or their lives – if they go out in public..
So this is what toxic feminism looks like. You can be a woman, but don’t describe yourself as one, and don’t request any social condition that is designed to give you – a female- equity of safety in a public space. Becaseu we will come for you, attack you in public, and then smugly claim we did it ‘for equity’.

What next – you can only vote if you agree with us?

The media collectivel have fuelled and incited this violence, simply to get their pay-dirt – in this case a video of an ‘anti-trans activist’ getting sprayed with liquid and some cool footage of a mob riot.

Their only regret is probably that the speaker or erhaps one of those who wished to listen to her speak was not killed in the process.

Imagine what a cool headline that would have made.

There should be an enquiry into this and journalistic standards in this country requires a review.

Individual journalists and editors who are shown to have neglected their duty to meet an ethical standard of objectivity should be at least condemned and at worst, prosecuted for inciting violence.

Any politicians who have enabled this lamentable shower of shit that passes for ‘reporting’ and ‘demonstrating’ should be drummed out of their jobs. IMO.

They are a collective disgrace and have shown New Zealand up as a volatile unsafe, bigoted mess of a nation to the world.
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March 26, 2023 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  I do wonder how much of this crazy we’re witnessing is just another offshoot of what was the crazy of the feminist movement of the ’60’s and ’70’s .
  And that in some ways the chickens are coming home to roost.
  
  The so called woman’s movement demanded “freedom” . They were all enfranchised in the west . So what “freedom” . Oh and tghey’re still at it .
  ‘My body my choice’ was/is their slogan to slaughter children. Compared to some crazy guy cutting off his balls and dick to call himself a chick , I’d say killing a baby is far worse ………
  
  Food for thought ?
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are the children of the crazy feminist movement of the ’60’s and ’70’s .
    My Mum taught me everything I know?
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:58am
  - Opie
    
    There is a big difference between aborting for health reasons, rape, or simply to not bring an unwanted baby you can’t afford to raise into this world and having a sex change operation.
    
    Cutting your dick off so you can wear a dress and use the woman’s toilets is a mental health issue. You could argue a good case that these sorts of people strengthen the need for abortion, but unfortunately there is no test for that early on.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:25am
    - MCōs
      
      “Cutting your dick off so you can wear a dress and use the woman’s toilets”
      
      Do you know anybody who falls into that category?
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:01pm
  - Paulus
    
    But the feminist movement of the 60s and 70s were not violent and sadistic in the same way, and as viciously currently.
    The feminists then were actually women nothing betweens as many now are, and currently just politically troublesome.
    
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    March 26, 2023 2:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Well said, Lee.
  
  Also, where is Luxon? Admittedly he has form hiding when events like this go down, but I hoped that he might discover a spine since his abandonment of human rights protestors in parliament grounds.
  
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  March 26, 2023 8:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    [[Yes, correct. Deleted. mod.]
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You know Nats avoid protests, they don’t take sides in protests, what is he supposed to do? Stand up and spout heil to Posie?
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Agreed Lee.
  The Alphabet Soup freak show has taken our country to a new low, aided and abetted by the media and the politicised police.
  they wouldn’t recognise free speech if it slapped them on the arse.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:11am
- Yvette
  
  As Someone – now not mentioned it seems, so without name – once said:
  They Are Us
  TEAM of Five Million –
  and other silly things
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is the team I unsubscribed from. I think the Team is now the Team of One Million if we are lucky.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:01am
  - TS Child
    
    I think there have been a few ‘Not Us’ addendums – including people who don’t want to be vaccinated, people who don’t agree with mandates and women in general. Unclear how that adjusts the team numbers. Especially since Muslim women can reasonably be expected to be part of the group that would like to know if they were in a women-only space or not – are they still Us or Not Us? Are they only Us if they’re being shot at? It looks like the Us team actually mostly comprises politicians, journalists and other people who think they’re more important than everyone else. How many actually on the team now do you think? Maybe team of 1000? 😊
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:34am
- nathie
  
  Talking about media standards, I wonder if the NZ Herald/NZME will be decisive and drop one of their commentators Shaneel Lal?
  
  I quick look at his twitter page, particularly yesterday, shows a bloke raging with hatred against women. He is promoting misogyny via social media and proud of it.
  
  His posts are over the top by both using insulting terms such as “Nazi’s”, “TERF’s” and by writing exaggerated, misleading statements (i.e. that are false). So he is making things up – is that something that a reputable newspaper/media outlet should be condoning? If so what does that say about the integrity of his NZH columns? How does that affect the integrity of the NZH/NZME itself?
  
  He is someone that calls out other people to be sacked or cancelled if they have differing opinions to himself. But is a hypocrite himself. Now of course hypocrisy isn’t a crime but it suggests he is of dubious character. Again should the NZH/NZME be associating themselves with such a person? Particularly when they have cancelled other columnists for similar indiscretions (in their opinion)? Should there be consistency or not?
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Par for the course of NZ media these days.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:03am
  - Paulus
    
    No ! assume Lal will get promoted as a paper’s job is to sell newspapers, so whatever they do usually irrespetive of any balance, or even truth.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:13am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Lee the Media stoked the fuel and the police stood by and watched while the arsonists set it alight.
  
  We lost a lot of faith in the police with the way they handled the Parliamentary Protest. Yesterday any faith that was left has been obliterated.
  
  Nothing about this situation was unknown. There were at least 3 practice runs in Australia to decide the tactics to use to protect all parties from harm. Many of us have seen footage of the Australian gatherings with good levels of separation between the two groups.
  
  Lal published an inflammatory map showing the people coming at his behest where to stand depending on their level of comfort and/or aggression. Red at the band rotunda, orange further back and green at the outskirts of the Park. The map had a decidedly phallic shape. He had published their time of assembly as 10.30am, 30 mins before the LWS tour was due to kick-off. BTW I am choosing to use “he” as I refuse to be drawn into this fantasy world of their creation.
  
  The media had everyone whipped into a frenzy. The Herald on Saturday was particularly vile with 3 articles and a cartoon all extremely one-sided and emotive language.
  
  NZ police had days to mobilise. It was obvious what had worked well in Australian venues in terms of protecting people from harm and from doing harm, protecting both the right to free speech and protest.
  
  So there are two possible reasons that this became a completely Wild West event:
  1. The Police are incompetent to a level beyond comprehension, OR
  2. The Police are so politicised that they will play, judge jury and executioner, by choosing who they do or don’t protect.
  
  I don’t believe our police are incompetent to the level it would have required them to be yesterday to have lost complete control.
  
  They weren’t hiding as Steve has suggested.
  
  They chose not to act and protect the rights of a small number of LWS people.
  
  Who are they going to chose not to protect next time?
  
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  March 26, 2023 3:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    Or
    3 the police were instructed to stay out of it
    
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    March 26, 2023 3:39pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Is that not the same as number 2?
      
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      March 26, 2023 4:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “They chose not to act and protect the rights of a small number of LWS people.”
    Whoever LWS are…
    Just tell me why the Police did not act like they did in OZ?
    NZ has pussies in the Police Force! Pussies because the ‘higher ups’ rule!!!
    
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    March 26, 2023 5:18pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Steve – I suspect we are saying something similar.
      
      The police had days of warning and they chose not to put in place separation and plenty of plods on the ground between the two groups. This has been a deliberate tactic – they knew the TRAs would outnumber LWS (let women speak) significantly. They have enacted bush justice.
      
      The actual plods on the ground on Saturday were setup for failure. Bad tactics, insufficient manpower.
      
      Wars are won by controlling the battlefield. The police did not control the battlefield. Looking at the footage they are stupid or chose to lose.
      
      It is disturbing that they have acted this way. What if they decide not to control the door at your Mt Eden event this week and a much bigger and more violent mob turn-up?
      
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      March 26, 2023 5:42pm
Warren

Has or will James Shaw and Marama Davidson the Green Party Co Leaders use the accident that occurred yesterday with the Green’s female Leader and a motorcycle as leverage to the statement from James Shaw on the risk of Political Violence at this year’s General Election.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/risk-of-political-violence-this-election-still-high-shaw
James Shaw has form in twisting the facts to benefit the Green Party.
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March 26, 2023 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  BMW Jimmy will run it past the spin doctors first.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:05am
Cassandra

But we’ll fund an opera celebrating feral Poms ripping off this country. Tom Lehrer’s musical “celebrating the life of Adolph Hitler” comes to mind. I wonder if the trans mob will now go after Lord Coe?
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March 26, 2023 8:47am
- Mike
  
  We need more Tom Lehrer to inspire environmental activism:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:08am
Surely Knott

The person who went on stage and poured tomato juice on Parker and security hasn’t been reported as arrested.

What does this mean? Isn’t the newspapers job to inform us. Is pouring juice on people legal or illegal? Assault or not? If I see the Juice pourer, or someone else whose views I don’t like, sitting outside at a local cafe can I pour a litre of red juice on them?
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March 26, 2023 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Be my guest! Video it. If the person pouring tomato sauce on Posie Parker is not arrested, I don’t see why you would be arrested.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:10am
slightlyrighty

Posey Parker says that there is a genuine fear among some women about having Trans Women in women’s spaces.

Yesterday, we saw why.
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March 26, 2023 8:49am
- Ghost
  
  Most trans just get on with their life, make no fuss, you wouldn’t know they’re around you. Yesterday was thugs for hire, be interesting to know how many didn’t really care about what was going on and trust turned up to be aggressive
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:35am
  - Mike
    
    That’s the excuse made by the apologists for the mob at parliament last year – any shitty behavior and violence was the fault of infiltrators or the police!
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thugs for hire – good term. Rent a Mob.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:12am
herb1

Has anyone seen a video of the incident with Mara a Davidson, and the motorbike , that she’s milking vigorously.
My belief is that if there is one it’ll show her jumping in front the bike.
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March 26, 2023 8:51am
- Ghost
  
  The video is on one of the news sites, she was standing on the road protesting, I think, but can’t remember that she did step in front.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:30am
- godruelf
  
  I would also have to congratulate Marama on being able to see a Doctor in what would appear to be a very timely manner. Not the normal delay to see a GP or wait in ED for Special People.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Perhaps she made a phone call to her mate Dr Ayesha Verrall who made another call to arrange special treatment.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:05am
    - Mike
      
      The word ‘perhaps’ is doing some heavy lifting in your sentence.
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:12am
      - Nickc2
        
        Comes in handy eh?
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I doubt she deliberately did this. Maybe stepped forward without looking. Bikes are heavy, and they hurt. I know. I have had a few spills.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:14am
  - Ghost
    
    The motorcyclists revved their engines as they drove down the street, with protesters waving signs at them from the footpath. After half the bikes had driven past, Davidson stepped out onto the pedestrian crossing, holding her sign in one hand and motioning with her other hand for the bikers to stop. Footage seen by The Spinoff shows Davidson a few steps out on the pedestrian crossing as bikes continue to speed past her. Then, one bike appears to strike her, with its handlebar making contact with her stomach. Davidson recoiled and hunched over, clutching her stomach as she walked back to the protesters on the footpath, who helped her to the ground.
    
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:21am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The Spinoff has blurred an image of Davidson’s apparent King Canute act so you can’t see the cellphone she was holding. It looks as though she stopped on the crossing to take a selfie, knowing there was traffic passing by.
      
      Of more concern however is her comments about the perpetrators of violence:
      
      Ani O’Brien @aniobrien
      
      Our Minister for Prevention of Family & Sexual Violence just declared today that it is only “white cis men” who commit violence. No wonder she has achieved nothing in the role.
      Family violence is committed IN THE FAMILY & so victims are usually the same race as their abuser.
      6:30 PM · Mar 25, 2023
      
      https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1639500026635513856
      
      Chris Hipkins needs to ask Davidson to provide evidence to support her claims that only “white cis men” are violent, and if she cannot or will not, he should remove her from the role.
      
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      March 26, 2023 1:14pm
    - david
      
      pedestrian crossings are a white colonial construct and accordingly do not have meaning to special people as clearly specified in the treaty which was variously signed and also rejected at Waitangi and other places around the country.
      Rules of the road (were there any real “roads” before 1840?) may be safely ignored by those self-identifying as “special people” but would invite possible prosecution if ignored by others.
      Such Rules as the motorist having the right of way at a pedestrian crossing if said motorist is between the diamond road marking and the crossing when the pedestrian approaches the kerb.
      
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      March 26, 2023 1:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Such Rules as the motorist having the right of way at a pedestrian crossing if said motorist is between the diamond road marking and the crossing when the pedestrian approaches the kerb.
        
        That is not correct.
        
        It is sensible for a pedestrian not to walk out onto a crossing if a moving vehicle is between the diamond and the crossing… but the NZ Road Rules are clear:
        
        A driver approaching a pedestrian crossing must—
        (a)
        give way to pedestrians, and to riders of wheeled recreational devices or mobility devices,—
        (i)
        on the pedestrian crossing; or
        (ii)
        obviously waiting to cross it and who are not behind a school patrol sign; and
        (b)
        if necessary, slow down and stop the driver’s vehicle for that purpose.
        
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/55.0/DLM303662.html
        
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        March 26, 2023 3:21pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      The spin-off photo clearly shows she has a sign in one hand and the “other hand” is holding out a phone like she is filming.
      
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      March 26, 2023 3:25pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have done it before, remember that greenie woman where they were blocking the driveway snd she jumped in front of the car driven by Chester Burrows who was driving Paula Bennett away from some speech
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

Have all you white cis-men stopped causing violence in the World yet?

Coz you’ve been outed by our Minister for the Prevention of Family Violence and Sexual Violence:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639443651293220864
(from 48seconds)
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March 26, 2023 8:53am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Marama is a [deleted – don’t make actionable statements here. mod.]. I saw that statement on twitter. It is plainly hate speech denigrating a large number of men based on a political belief not backed by facts.
  
  But things not backed by facts are Green core policies
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:06am
- CJames
  
  That statement by a Minister should instantly cause the PM to remove her warrant. But he won’t as he is as weak as the last PM.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It gives a clear indication of the intelligence/level of education of Minister Davidson.
    
    She must have little knowledge of World history or current events in the World, let alone understand the first thing about the extent of violence in pre-European NZ/Aotearoa.
    
    (or were all those pre-1769 fortified pa sites and tribal battles just a figment of some colonist’s imagination?)
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:45am
    - Matt Long
      
      You failed to make the distinction between White Colonialist Institutionalised Violence and Te Ao Culturally Appropriate violence, Maggy.
      It’s a mistake similar to believing people other than white people can be racist.
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:03am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That is a blind spot for Pacifists… we find it difficult to justify any form of violence against our fellow man.
        
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        March 26, 2023 10:22am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Pre-European Maori had a word for pacifists; Kai.
        
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        March 26, 2023 9:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She is also one of the special people, and she knows it.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Weak as horse piss, there fixed it for you.
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:00am
- Bobba Fret
  
  That clip of Marama should be played on TV1 and TV3 news. It is disgusting that the “green” party that mostly young people that know no better vote for. Greens were promoting violence. If this was a sane world, the Greens will plummet to below 5% after this.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:33am
  - Paulus
    
    Davidson needed the publicity when she jumped into the motorbike !
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As you saw at the Rotunda – this is not a sane World.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:22am
  - Nickc2
    
    Marama Davidson allegedly says “White Heterosexual Men are the cause of violence in New Zealand.”
    Hey Marama, which race has the greater numbers in jail for violence but comprise less than fifteen percent of the population?
    Clean up your own backyard you stupid [deleted] woman.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:43am
- than
  
  Come to think of it, has Marama ever come up with any actual policy or anything productive? The only things I’ve ever seen of her she’s only ever reverted to identity politics. Going back to at least since she lambasted Judith Collins for wanting to speak at a Marae.
  
  I suppose this makes sense, given she was only ever put in the job because of identity politics.
  
  Shaw/Chloe at least come up with ideas, as awful as they may be.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:45am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  Have all you white cis-men stopped causing violence in the World yet?
  __________________
  
  Ask Ol mate Pootie the Russkie or Tronald Drumpf.
  
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  March 26, 2023 1:56pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Whatever you do don’t look at crime stats with reference to race throughout the OECD, your head might explode (hint – it isn’t the East Asians or Europeans who are the problem).
    
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    March 26, 2023 4:26pm
  - cjn
    
    Why not ask Joseph Biden, Anthony Blinken, Jake Sullivan et al? Or should we go straight to the top and ask Victoria Nuland?
    
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    March 26, 2023 7:41pm
- sirknz
  
  Guess I will just have to find something else to do on Tuesday afternoons now…
  
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  March 26, 2023 4:47pm
nathie

Read the BFD’s evening general debate last night to see what the commentators there were saying, of course they were appalled, and thanks to Sally she gave a link to an article that featured the thoughts of an everyday NZ woman who went to yesterday’s protest and was meant to have spoken about her experiences. She of course didn’t get the chance and feared for her life. Thankfully she escaped physical harm but no doubt will be left with psychological harm and trauma. What has NZ descended into (thanks to the far-left) to enable this?

If I may say so, her account is definitely worth taking the time to read.

https://aboldwoman.substack.com/p/trans-activists-make-women-terrified
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March 26, 2023 9:06am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Thanks. A great account from the brave woman there.
  
  “We are not ‘anti-trans’ – I don’t particularly give a shit about whether people are trans or not to be honest. Dress how you want, sleep with who you want and live your life. But don’t play on female sports teams, don’t record male rapists as women in the crime stats, don’t use our changing rooms and don’t be jailed with us. More importantly, don’t teach my child that boys can have a period, don’t teach my tom-boy daughter that she really must be a boy if she likes Rugby & hates her period, don’t tell young lesbians they have a ‘genital fetish’ if they refuse to have sex with a man with a penis and don’t socially transition my children at school behind my back. Is that really so fucking unreasonable? Did that really warrant the violence and mob today? Do those views really justify men shoving women and having the media paint me as a Nazi?”
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:38am
  - nathie
    
    I think as she wrote down her thoughts it progressed from being fearful (and hurting) to finally getting angry towards the end – which is normal of course, I would too – hence the language she used in your quote above.
    
    But before that passage her fear and hurt were overwhelming (and powerful) describing her day at the protest.
    
    But as per your quote above, just as powerful was her reflections of where things are going wrong in a general sense (in society).
    
    And even our favorite (here) HDPA underestimated the volatility of the Women Hating counter-protesters. Hopefully both Hosking and HDPA give them a serve this week?
    
    As Caitlin wrote:
    
    I underestimated the hysteria that had been whipped up. I underestimated the police. I never seriously thought I would be in real actual danger attending a speaking event in New Zealand. I think Heather Du Plessis Allen asked earlier in the week – why was KJK invited here? Wasn’t it just inviting drama? Well let me answer that. KJK was invited here because she is me. She is a mother, and a woman who is fed up with the erosion of female-only spaces, fed up with being called a ‘menstruator’ or ‘pregnant person’ and fed up with watching young gender non-confirming or homosexual children being sterilised and mutilated. KJK was going to give ME a voice, a platform. KJK was invited here because I wanted to listen to her, and last time I checked, I’m allowed to do that.
    
    Well said Caitlin, with you 100%.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A good account.
  “The protesters on the rotunda were overwhelmingly men.”
  
  Really? I would not label them as that. Pathetic excuses for men, yes.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Rent a mob come in different shapes and sizes
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

Kirsty Johnson has written a pretty good overview of Gisborne districts’ pine problems.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300837641/an-environmental-disaster-was-waiting-to-happen-in-tolaga-bay-no-one-listened
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March 26, 2023 9:21am
Widogast Corwin

This was Kellie Jay Keen in Adelaide.

To the New Zealand Police. This is how it should have been done. The two groups separated by 20 metres with a line of police facing the screaming activists.

https://www.youtube.com/live/1C-lu7weTCA?feature=share

There should have been 40 police stationed in a cordon around the band rotunda in Albert Park.

A couple of weeks back I went to a cricket match at Hagley Oval. There were 8 police there to watch over 600 spectators. 🙄

They could have easily deployed 40 police. From start to finish they woukd have been required for about 3 hours.
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March 26, 2023 9:25am
- Matt Long
  
  Yes but in this case police had a message to send to Terfs.
  Aotearoa is now that red neck US county where the corrupt sherrif watches undesirable victim being beaten by thugs and says I hope you all learned your lesson buddy.
  The victims in Aotearoa are children and woman.
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Matt
    
    I find repeating Hollywood stereotypes of rural USA unhelpful.
    
    A better , modern analogy would be from the PRC , DPRK , Iran or Saudi Arabia.
    
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    March 26, 2023 9:55am
- kevn
  
  @Wido… Clearly NZ has politicized police. We already knew that but yesterdays non effort just confirms it.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When you watch the Adelaide situation, then watch the NZ rubbish there is one standout. The NZ Police were pussies – arriving too late.
  I do think the Adelaide Police were armed as well.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:44am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    All Australian police carry firearms.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If NZ had a tougher and trained Police force, they too should be armed.
      The gangs are armed. How about evening up the score?
      
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      March 26, 2023 11:50am
      - Paulus
        
        I am sure our Police could be armed but would not be allowed to carry ammunition.
        They have Tasers which sometimes work.
        
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        March 26, 2023 2:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Paulus.
        You mean like Barney Fife? Revolver and one round in his pocket?
        🙂
        
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        March 26, 2023 5:24pm
Yvette

Lee C, above: “They are a collective disgrace and have shown New Zealand up as a volatile unsafe, bigoted mess of a nation to the world”

Wait until the sides have changed to the issue of the truth behind “co-governance” and, as already placed in law: “actual governance” – as in Taumata Arowai Maori Advisor Council, and Mana o te Wai (Maori only) Statements – and then witness “intolerance of the tolerant”, of which yesterday’s example was probably a mild warning.
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March 26, 2023 9:32am
Bobba Fret

So the lady that attacked Posie with tomato soup should easily be identified. Why have the police not arrested her yet?
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March 26, 2023 9:36am
- Ghost
  
  She has been
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:38am
  - Mike
    
    That migght disappoint Kiwibloggers convinced that the police were acting corruptly.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:03am
    - Ghost
      
      Whoops no. My full message didn’t post, one of the problems of going up to Ashburton, phone drops out like hell, it should have read she has been identified.
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Identified or arrested?
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:09am
    - nathie
      
      The first one (bet ‘he now she’ won’t be arrested).
      
      https://www.jwire.com.au/transgender-wedding-in-new-zealand/
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:23am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Excellent. I hope she is charged
    
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    March 26, 2023 2:56pm
- Nickc2
  
  There’s no political will on the part of this Govt to do so.
  Why aren’t Te MSM featuring pictures of Hipkins in his Gay attire in relation to the Posie fiasco?
  Oh, that’s right, they’re paid not to eh?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300827372/live-all-the-action-from-aucklands-big-gay-out
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:17am
  - Ghost
    
    And yet your picture of him wearing the shirt at the big gay out is on the media.
    
    BTW the trans activists don’t have a lot of support in the gay community.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:28am
    - Nickc2
      
      Read the small print Ghost! in relation to the Posie fiasco
      
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      March 26, 2023 10:32am
- kowtow
  
  Not a “lady”.
  
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  March 26, 2023 1:28pm
Yvette

A perhaps illuminating point may be the answer to the question:
Was the Eerjk McRae video, in which Marama Davidson says “white cis-men are the cause of all violence in the world”, before or after she was hit in the stomach by the handle of a motorbike passing over a pedestrian crossing that Davidson stepped out onto?

“white cis-men are the cause of all violence in the world” reference:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639443651293220864
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March 26, 2023 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It was before.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  According to this report (and photos) in “Spinoff”
  
  Davidson stepped onto the pedestrian crossing as a convoy of motorcyclists were riding through and tried to stop the convoy part-way through.
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:16am
  - nathie
    
    So Davidson deliberately walked out into moving traffic …. lucky she was only winded and that it wasn’t something worse.
    
    But still no doubt she will demand action against the motorcyclist ….
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:27am
    - Swifty
      
      Here is clear positioning from Stuff that the motorcyclist was the one in the wrong:
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300839253/green-party-coleader-marama-davidson-knocked-over-by-motorcyclist
      
      “The motorcyclist failed to stop….”
      
      It will be interesting to see whether this is in fact – correct portrayal of events.
      
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      March 26, 2023 12:19pm
      - Inandout
        
        Swifty, OMG, I sincerely hope the motorcyclist wasn’t lBGTFO+.
        
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        March 26, 2023 1:36pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        But they still don’t put the video they have of the event for all to see. So I suspect the video doesn’t show the story they are pushing.
        
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        March 26, 2023 3:31pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well, the pedestrian crossing across the road means give way – even the rainbow ones.
      The road does not cross the pedestrian crossing.
      This of course can be abused by those willing to take a chance. Sorry Marama Davidson, I think you took on a heavy motorcycle, not a scooter.
      
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      March 26, 2023 5:32pm
  - Swifty
    
    I had a feeling there was more to it.
    
    Sounds like Marama tried to inject herself into events, came off second best and is now playing the victim.
    
    EXACTLY as Lidia Thorpe did in Aussie.
    
    On her case she barged in pushing, screaming and yelling like some wild animal and was stopped. She then immediately pulled out the victim card.
    
    The woman is a total charlatan.
    
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    March 26, 2023 10:55am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  And this from a Minister of the Crown. So all those Maori babies murdered in their homes are actually killed by cis white men infiltrating the house, all those Black Power and Mongrel mob killings are actually by white men. Yeh right. She is not fit to be an MP let alone a Minister.
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:06am
ByGolly

The N.Z Police were nowhere to be seen at Posie’s arrival.
The drums had been beating for a week or more.
Passive aggression by the state pure and simple.
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March 26, 2023 10:07am
Paulus

What worries me more is that when this Government get booted out that people will expect overnight that all will be well, whereas it will take generations, if ever, to recover some sense both economically and especially socially, when we see what one vicious feminist group can do our Country.
Look today at France !~
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March 26, 2023 10:20am
- blue collar
  
  The easiest way will be severe austerity or war . All the pc damage will disappear overnight .
  Beats generations of changing the curriculum , workplace norms , the victim mentality .
  When kiwis hv to defend their beaches and their whole existence is under threat no one will care about this crap
  It only happens in comfortable complacent societies
  If things are so financially dire there is no food or jobs like the Great Depression then again , it’s out the window and perspective reigns
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:56am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Why is it that most small Dairy owners these days are sooo horrible?
It’s almost like they don’t WANT peoples business 🙁

Heading home from Mass earlier and called into get a bottle of Cream.
Not a smile, a good morning, or even a “thankyou” from the guy behind the counter. He just entered the $ amount on the Till and pointed at the Eftpos machine. Even that had a scrawled note stuck to it… NO paywave. NO credit card.

Honestly, it makes the entire shopping experience just sooo unpleasant.
Be the last time I ever go in there.
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March 26, 2023 10:27am
- blue collar
  
  True that madam pie , same when you’re walking down the street n give someone the gday n they just look at you and blank you . Common courtesy isn’t hard
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:49am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mags.
  What would happen to you if you gave that bloody Mass a miss, just for one Sunday?
  Or another idea – just stop reminding us about it.
  
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  March 26, 2023 10:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The thing is Cap’n…..if you don’t realise you are in a spiritual war with the devil every single day, then you are already losing.
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:34am
Yvette

■ We also reject that there was any further physical threat from our community towards Parker. This is a baseless rumour that is being perpetrated by those who feel defeated by the events of today. We urge the media not to repeat these allegations without evidence.

■ Parker tweeted late on Saturday night that advice from police and her security team was to leave the country following the dramatic protest. “The end result was that I spent most of my day with the protection of police who genuinely believed I was lucky to be alive. The advice was that I should go home,” Parker tweeted.
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March 26, 2023 10:32am
blue collar

CARN DAVID WHITE !!
Prelims almost over n he’s having a crack at the world cruiser weight title in Pommy land .
Poms giving him no chance but I reckon our boys gonna kick some trash talking arse
Give ‘em a taste of kiwi Davo !!
💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
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March 26, 2023 10:37am
- blue collar
  
  David light ….. it’s an anagram for world champ //
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:06am
blue collar

Ps , LABOURS GONE .
Gonna be an absolute landslide , guaranteed . Nothing more certain in NZ.
Ignore the polls , ignore Winston , ignore Luxon and Seymour .
The incumbents always lose the election , the opponents never win it .
Even with a compliant media people aren’t stupid , they don’t forget , and you could not do more to lose an election if you tried .
Goneburgers in a major way , stress less kb’s
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March 26, 2023 10:45am
- Maggie Pie
  
  But can you believe those fukwits in NSW last nite?
  
  SHEESH 🙁
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:38am
pdm

Free speech is under attack in Hawkes Bay.

Bayden Barber the Head Sharang of Ngati Kahanganui has wriiten a letter to The Havelock Community Center instructing them to cance Julian Batchelor’s Stop Co Gevernance Booking on 17 May at 7pm.

A facebook friend shared the letter. My comment saying I would be attending was either hidden or deleted. As was a second attempt at debating the issue.
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March 26, 2023 11:12am
- pdm
  
  cancel and governance
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Register on the blog:
  
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
  Here:
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/2023-nz-stop-co-governance-tour/
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

There is a short piece by an un-named Teacher. “I am being forced into a teacher directed role by the government.”

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/aucklands-mt-eden-event-tuesday-28-march-7pm-shaping-up-to-be-huge/

Mt Eden will have a lot of media coverage. Wayne Brown there?
This is a Private event, so Police will be there to keep radical protestors out. Sure they can protest, but they will not be allowed into the ‘Private Function’ as they were in Orewa.
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March 26, 2023 11:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Police on Posey Parker:
“she is in a public space. If she feels unsafe she needs to leave.”
WHAT??
https://www.fsu.nz/public_letter_to_police_minister

The Police failed miserably. Now they are on the World Stage. Many in the UK will have seen this.
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March 26, 2023 11:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That’s a win – you beat Mike!
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:55am
- Nickc2
  
  This fiasco must be recorded in the list of Less Than Acceptable Performances attributed to the NZ Police force, along with:
  
  * Setting up Arthur Alan Thomas,
  * Stuffing up the Kim Dot Com raid,
  * Mishandling the Tuhoi fiasco,
  * Denying looting was taking place in HB after Cyclone Gabrielle,
  * Changing crime categories to hide the figures e.g. Ramraids,
  * Overzealousnessin in dealing with the Mandates Protest, and
  * Acting in a manner to stifle free speech at various venues e.g. Orewa and now Akld Domain.
  
  Feel free to add to the list.
  
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  March 26, 2023 12:09pm
- rockape
  
  Surely in NZ we have some ex South African police enough qualified to be the new head cop !
  
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  March 26, 2023 12:17pm
- MCōs
  
  If she wanted to control the space she should have rented a hall or whatever where she could at least have kept out those she didn’t want there.
  That’s normal for quasi political rallies.
  
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  March 26, 2023 12:21pm
  - GJM
    
    Except Auckland council wouldn’t rent to her. Likewise others were concerned about security and damage from the thugs veto. Events showed they were justified
    
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    March 27, 2023 8:20pm
- blue collar
  
  Definitely orders from above Steveo
  
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  March 26, 2023 12:44pm
pdm

I was wrong when I said my comment was hidden or deleted.

They are moderating facebook comments.

As an aside – anyone know why the Stop Co Governance website is closed?
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March 26, 2023 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s not closed, I am on it.
  
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  March 26, 2023 11:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The link I sent to you is working.
    
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    March 26, 2023 11:59am
    - pdm
      
      Thanks Steve got in fine..
      
      Not sure why my shortcut is not working.
      
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      March 26, 2023 2:32pm
Maggie Pie

I actually enjoy following City Councilor Julie Fairey https://twitter@juliefairey
She’s also the spouse of the ‘Minister-for-Auckland’.
I often feel she provides some insight as to the way her hubby thinks as well.

Jules re-tweets….

https://twitter.com/ElianaRubashkyn/status/1639499718945574913
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March 26, 2023 12:06pm
- Taieri
  
  the way her hubby thinks as well
  ————–
  
  Does he? Think?
  
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  March 26, 2023 2:49pm
krazykiwi

Classic Macron arrogance: While asking for sacrifices from the French people realizes he is wearing a €80,000 watch and like a magician makes it disappear under the table.
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March 26, 2023 12:10pm
- peterwn
  
  He should wear a cheap watch from Carrefour.
  
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  March 26, 2023 1:02pm
CAKE FACE1

Let’s review the Stuff headlines about the socialist riot:

1. Headline One – “Hate speech or free speech? Clashes in Auckland reignite debate.”

Of course, there was no free speech at all on display yesterday, due to the feral extremist mob of communists and socialists rioting. Posie has been found guilty, however, of an even more serious offence for the communists – Thought Crimes against extreme left wing dogma.

2. Headline Two – “’Pure trans joy’: An alternative view of the ‘angry’ protest crowd.”

A double-down by Stuff. The extreme left rioting mob was actually a joyful occasion.

‘Aotearoa’ is getting curiouser and curiouser. Alice in Wonderland was clearly a documentary:

‘Everybody has won, and all must have prizes.’

The economy and our society are both collapsing in tandem. Enjoy the ride!
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March 26, 2023 12:12pm
- mogg
  
  Make no mistake this is a massive own goal by trans activists/misogynists. Two weeks ago I knew nothing about Kelly-Jay, now I am eagerly awaiting her latest update on #letwomenspeak.com.
  
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  March 26, 2023 2:28pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    Of course, I’d like to think that you are correct.
    
    Alas, the Team of $55 million are doubling down. The socialist riot was an expression of peace and love, they argue. No other opinions are allowed.
    
    The socialist politicians are also doubling down. For example, Chloe thinks that assaulting Posie was fantastic and justified, because she is a Nazi.
    
    In the end, it depends on who the public believe.
    
    Of course, the gatekeepers of public opinion are the Team of $55 million, which is controlled by communists and socialists. They will only allow the public to see government propaganda.
    
    We live in interesting times…
    
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    March 26, 2023 2:51pm
    - mogg
      
      Of course you are right about the propaganda, but with this woman we can easily sidestep the local crap
      and get much more enlightened and informed views from overseas.
      
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      March 26, 2023 3:20pm
  - Mike
    
    No doubt her visit has achieved her financial goals as well.
    
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    March 26, 2023 2:58pm
    - CAKE FACE1
      
      [Mod – no personal attacks please, thanks.]
      
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      March 26, 2023 3:23pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      So women aren’t allowed to earn money? Do we have to be good little women who gratefully receive a small amount of pocket money from our husbands?
      
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      March 26, 2023 8:02pm
Black with a Vengeance

Went for a forest walk this morning and found a family of Porcini mushrooms.

Grabbed the 4 best looking, got em home and after washing, slicing, salted, peppered and fried them in organic butter to be served up on hash browns.

Thank you Aotearoa !!!
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March 26, 2023 12:51pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  Yum. From native red beech rather than the colonial imports I presume?
  
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  March 26, 2023 1:19pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Ashley Forest pine I’m afraid…
    
    https://i.postimg.cc/d0SXxBk1/20230326-115109.jpg
    
    …that’s the pic I took before breakfast!
    
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    March 26, 2023 2:07pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Here’s one you’ll probably get Blackie….. 😀
  
  What do you call a mushroom with a 10″ penis?
  
  A fun guy to be with.
  
  LOLOL!!
  
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  March 26, 2023 1:20pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Haha…yeah nah, I’m good!
    
    Strictly a vagitarian…
    
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    March 26, 2023 2:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think you have to thank the folks who introduced Pine trees into NZ…
  
  https://virtualmycota.landcareresearch.co.nz/webforms/vM_Species_Details.aspx?pk=11082
  
  or did you eat one of our native Boletes?
  
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  March 26, 2023 1:51pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Could have been a native Boletes…
    
    Can only imagine how yum they would have been as a side dish to long pork!
    
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    March 26, 2023 2:02pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Don’t bother asking ‘Widogast’ for the recipe….
      He’s the one reckoned you need to cook Pork-Belly for 6 hours!
      
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      March 26, 2023 2:17pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        Not quite the only one. I could give you links to another hundred recipes by Chinese chefs for 6 hour slow roast pork belly. But I think I have made my point.
        
        https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/246481/slow-cooked-red-braised-pork-belly/
        
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        March 26, 2023 3:16pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Thing is Wido, I was only trying to help BWAV with cooking his long-pork.
        
        According to your recipe, a 2kg piece takes 7 hours.
        Multiply that by the average weight of a white male (say 90kg), based on that it would take him 633 hours!!
        
        Just saying.
        
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        March 26, 2023 4:41pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If you weren’t in dense kanuka scrub I doubt that it was a native bolete.
      
      Anyway, the pic you posted is that of Boletus (Suillius) edulis…
      
      Hubby loves them…
      I expect if I deep-fried him a yellow wettex sponge in butter and fed it to him as porcini, he couldn’t tell the difference.
      
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      March 26, 2023 2:28pm
nathie

Sigh it’s the MSM again.

Only news bulletin I have heard today was ZB at midday. Journalists are still pushing the lines that yesterday was a victory against “transphobia” and Auckland Pride’s (Max Tweedie) sound bites on the protester’s actions isn’t challenged as being violent and thuggish – instead it is celebrated.

Which leads me back to yesterday and being the weekend there is a lack of live “political commentary” on the radio/tv so took great interest at 3pm when ZB’s political hour started.

The two ZB hosts being interviewed (Francis and Tyler) supported the disruption against the Women speakers. It seems it was because Trans people have rights so people “speaking against them” should be de-platformed (seems like Women’s rights, freedom of speech and the importance of considered debate by each side was lost on these two).

Ironically when the topic moved next onto the world athletics body banning trans people (trans women aka former men) from competing against Women, they were supportive.

And in this lies the problem of why the MSM are (wrongly) taking sides.

Because debate on Woman’s v Trans issues is largely silenced, the MSM find it hard to accept that Women’s rights campaigners have some genuine concerns and want to speak about it (instead they are “cancelled” or silenced or if that’s not enough they are misrepresented eg as being “far-right” “Nazi supporters”). So the MSM fall in line like sheep not wanting to rock the “pro-trans narrative” boat.

Anyway today the NZ Herald further push the “pro-trans” narrative by featuring an article on a trans-woman (born a male) who incurred conversion therapy for years but wishes to identify as female. She is now 32.

But guess what NZH, I don’t think anyone (including most people here) and including the Speak up for Women crowd have any objections to an adult transitioning.

As Widogast here says (when he recaps Parker’s views) some concerns are with:

“No surgical or medical procedures on minors to ‘change gender’”. I read that as, don’t transition anyone say under 18 years old (why? Read the UK media particularly The Telegraph featuring harrowing reports of people that now regret being transitioned when younger. They have lost their “bits” and are now in a difficult and lonely place).

“No biological men in women’s sports”. (Strangely enough most of the MSM seem to now accept this).

So is there really much difference between what Speak Up For Women want and the bias of the MSM, if the MSM were to consider the full picture? I think not!

The other point of not having biological men in women’s changing room is probably the issue that needs to be debated. Whilst it seems problematic for those that are “confused” (Gen Z) about their gender (or are simply men stalking women’s/girls spaces) what if you get genuine people such as Tia Hohaia in the NZH article? So why can’t everyone have a civilised discussion about this and set some rules (instead of MSM cancelling those speaking up against it)?
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March 26, 2023 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

AUCKLAND’s FUTURE?

I’m reliably informed that in Chynah, they’re known as… ‘Peoples-Kennels’

https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1639734476900278272
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March 26, 2023 1:44pm
Maggie Pie

POSIE TRENDING IN THE UK

I used to quite like Mike McRoberts….now he gives me the sh*ts!

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639765395975307280

I’ll never watch 3 again. And can hardly wait for Tova to go tits as well.
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March 26, 2023 2:51pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Yes what Newshub did was evil. There will be multiple complaints to the BSA.
  
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  March 26, 2023 3:03pm
Widogast Corwin

This is the twitter account of an Auckland trans activist who was prominent at the KJK riot yesterday. “Crimson Starlight”. I am posting to show the danger these people pose to us.

“I got turned on today watching the fear in Posie Parker’s eyes. She actually feared for her life.”

https://twitter.com/CrimsnStarlight

This incident is deeply disturbing. The only upside I can see is that it has shown us how evil these people are. I just had no idea.
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March 26, 2023 3:02pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And to think these sexual deviants walk among us 🙁
  
  Check this out….
  
  https://twitter.com/CrimsnStarlight/status/1639744118489481218
  
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  March 26, 2023 3:15pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Yes saw that “Women have penises too”.
    
    This from this ‘trans activist’ is even worse. To translate – He is saying that his nephew (a girl) has had her breasts removed. She only has one step to go – the creation of a “penis”. Crimson Starlight – who is now a “woman’ wishes that she could amputate her penis and donate it.
    
    This is what KJK was up against yesterday.
    
    Crimson Starlight 🧚‍♂️ (She/Her) 🏳️‍⚧️
    @CrimsnStarlight
    
    “I am so proud of my nephew Cameron! He had top surgery and he is healing really well.
    
    Cam made the decision to start transitioning when he was 11 and the whole family supported him. He has one step to go! 🍆
    
    I kinda wish I could donate my one to him! “
    
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    March 26, 2023 3:22pm
Widogast Corwin

How is this for weapons grade gaslighting? From ‘Auckland Pride’.

https://twitter.com/AucklandPride/status/1639504112592224257

“There is a narrative quickly taking hold amongst anti-trans groups and individuals that Parker abandoned her event because of violence from our community…..

“We also reject that there was any further physical threat from our community towards Parker. This is a baseless rumour that is being perpetrated by those who feel defeated by the events of today. We urge the media not to repeat these allegations without evidence.”
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March 26, 2023 3:11pm
- Swifty
  
  1. Did KJK intend to hold a speaking event in Auckland yesterday? Yes or no?
  
  2. Did she intend that (other) women could speak and ask questions? Yes or no?
  
  3. Was that event also attended by pro-trans protestors? Yes or no?
  
  4. Did KJK turn up to begin the event? Yes or no?
  
  5. Did the pro-trans group come closer and closer to the rotunda, pushing down the barriers intending to keep the groups apart? Yes or no?
  
  6. Was a liquid thrown at and land on KJK? Yes or no?
  
  7. Was that liquid thrown by a pro-trans supporter? Yes or no?
  
  8. Did the pro-trans group crowd and cramp KJK to the extent that her security team realised her safety was at risk and escort her out before the speaking had got underway? Yes or no?
  
  9. Was the event suspended at the point of KJK’s departure? Yes or no?
  
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  March 26, 2023 3:38pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Having had spectacular success yesterday at shutting down free speech, the trans/pride activists are having another go at shutting it down again today.
  They need to own their behaviour.
  Don’t seek to minimise and mitigate your actions because of unwelcome pushback.
  You set the tone and celebrated cancelling this speaker.
  Get over yourselves.
  
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  March 26, 2023 4:37pm
Cinematic

Mike is very triggered today no?

I can see why, after the behavior of a bunch of his kind at Albert Park yesterday.
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March 26, 2023 3:13pm
MCōs

Amusing sign at Trump rally
https://twitter.com/theliamnissan/status/1639706304401866754?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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March 26, 2023 3:21pm
Hugh Jarse

Now that the rainbow community have shown us how contemptuous they are of other viewpoints is it time to stop the tax and ratepayer funding of rainbow parades etc ?, it’s been about 30 years after all. I sure the funding could be well spent on drains, pipes or potholes ?
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March 26, 2023 3:26pm
- Ghost
  
  Don’t mistake yesterday as being the rainbow community. Small faction of people and thugs for hire.
  
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  March 26, 2023 3:32pm
  - Inandout
    
    Ghost. Defintion of ‘thug’.
    ‘a man who acts violently, especially to commit a crime’.
    A man, not a woman or the range of ‘others’.
    
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    March 26, 2023 4:18pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Mostly Green party supporters.
    
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    March 26, 2023 8:31pm
Maggie Pie

Look who’s with the attractive blonde trannie in the blue dress (exposing his undies if I’m not mistaken?).
It’s the ‘tomato-soup-chucker’ himself…..

https://twitter.com/PatriotNz2022/status/1639812681816510464
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March 26, 2023 3:53pm
- Ghost
  
  Amber Heard in drag?
  
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  March 26, 2023 3:55pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Are you saying she poos the bed?
    
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    March 26, 2023 4:12pm
    - Ghost
      
      We’ll she certainly looks like she has stood on a bee herself.
      
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      March 26, 2023 4:17pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Question here for you from Shaneell (they/them) DooLALly….
        
        https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1639834335955292162
        
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        March 26, 2023 5:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        Why do I get the feeling we will soon seen that person standing for the greens?
        
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        March 26, 2023 5:12pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Do you think he’d be queer enough for them?
        
        Asking for a friend.
        
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        March 26, 2023 5:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        He could be their new leader.
        
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        March 26, 2023 5:19pm
Jack5

A sane snippet amid the gender madness …

Gordon Moore, the formulator of Moore’s law in electronics, has died at 94. The “law” comes from a 1965 article of his in Electronics magazine.

The Wall Street Journal says the Moore article anticipated the development of home computers, smart wristwatches, automatic controls for cars and other inventions as electronic components etched on squares of silicon become smaller, faster and cheaper.

His prediction, which became known as Moore’s Law, proved a remarkably accurate observation about how quickly engineers would create advances in digital technology that have led to countless fixtures of modern life.

An electronics engineer at Fairchild Semiconductor, and later as Intel chief executive, his shares in those companies led to him and his wife setting up a philanthropic foundation. It has disbursed more than $US5 billion.

The WSJ says Moore’s Law is considered by many observers to be reaching the end of its reign. But Moore never meant for the rule of thumb that bears his name to be set in stone. He insisted he simply had made an observation about a phase of industry activity that one day would become technically impossible.
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March 26, 2023 4:23pm
- Mike
  
  $5 billion is a lot. Possibly only bettered by Buffet, Gates and Soros.
  
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  March 26, 2023 5:17pm
Surely Knott

The media narrative is misleading in its narrow focus.. Shaneel Lal the person speaking almost exlusively in media about Transgenderism identifies currently as non-binary, fem-queer.(They/Them) . Although in 2020 his rainbow youth bio – had them identified as (He/Him)

Eg. He doesn’t claim to be a trans woman, but “non-binary” . But most of the debate has been in relation to “Transwomen” We are also told it’s a rainbow issue. Implying that being trans is part of being gay which is not exclusively true. .

Research shows that 23% of Transwomen are Lesbians/gay. Eg they were born men who identify as women who are attracted to women. And 25% are bisexual, so also attracted to women.
23% are Heterosexual. Eg they are born men who identify as Transwomen attracted to men.

Science paper shows that hormones during transition doesn’t change your sexual orientation.

JK Rowling’s tweet in the Herald evidences an issue that is happening in the UK regarding Transwomen protesting to attend a Lesbian meeting.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1639667551675228165
https://www.thetaskforce.org/wonky-wednesday-trans-people-sexual-orientation/
https://www.facebook.com/rainbowyouth/posts/everybody-say-hello-to-shaneel-lal-hehim-our-newest-board-member-who-we-are-supe/2928853880524832/
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March 26, 2023 4:49pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Something sad I learned today; kids who start transitioning very young – taking puberty blockers will never be able to orgasm – basically taking away the fun of sex from their lives on top of all the other serious ongoing medical issues it creates. What’s the upside again?
  
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  March 26, 2023 9:13pm
Maggie Pie

Appears that milkey is limiting himself to only TWO downticks today.

Wonder what he’s done with Ross? 🙁
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March 26, 2023 5:13pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  WHOOPSIE! Ross must have gone back on a later flight.
  
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  March 26, 2023 6:18pm
Ghost

I just can’t put my finger on it, but I feel this is not how you correctly park a truck

YouTube
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March 26, 2023 5:20pm
CAKE FACE1

Stuff has an article entitled “oddstuff”:

‘All the weird things Kiwis have thrown in protest’

I would imagine having something poured over your head in that manner would be absolutely terrifying. You might momentarily fear that it was acid.

Yet to this presumably communist member of the Team of $55 million, this was just quirky good fun, which we should have a merry giggle about.

I do not have sufficient skills in English to put into words how much I abhor the degenerate communists in the Team of $55 million.

The Team of $55 million are completely shameless.
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March 26, 2023 5:42pm
NZer In Exile

Serious question. Is it actually possible to have free and fair elections in NZ 2023 with the the vast majority of the media filled with far left activists and still operating under Labour’s Maoist style media take-over?
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March 26, 2023 6:21pm
- Ghost
  
  No different than other elections. I think the council elections show the media didn’t have much say in how people voted
  
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  March 26, 2023 6:31pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Hope you are right but have little faith in that statement. The media do have a lot of sway in the way people vote.
    
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    March 26, 2023 7:52pm
- MCōs
  
  People say that every time.
  
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  March 27, 2023 5:31pm
Chris Nisbet

Hmm, One ‘News’ (our very own state-funded propaganda outlet) puts some weirdo on the telly who says the protesters were remarkably restrained.
I had to leave the room.

Still waiting for them to get a comment from Posie herself. Shall I hold my breath?
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March 26, 2023 6:22pm
- MCōs
  
  Were you there, then?
  
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