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kiwikidsnz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/131573482/doc-cafe-manag…

So, you work 8 long years building up your business until its worth something to enable DoC to hand over to someone else &/or the Supreme Court to hand over to Maori.

There’s apparently no shame in such a disgraceful lack of natural justice in NZ now.
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April 10, 2023 8:00am
- pdm
  
  $1 to a pinch of goat poo the concession will go to someone of Ngai Tahu extraction.
  
  They will probably not be required to `tender’.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:03am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    I wonder what will happen to the quality of the cafe with the new owner.
    
    Google reviews are 4.6 at the moment {I think I have the right place)
    https://g.co/kgs/HV2o3b
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:31am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Who-ever takes over the cafe will have to start from scratch. There wont be any equipment, staff or stock in trade as it will all have been sold. It will be costly from the outset. Especially if the place has been empty for 6-7 months.
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:00am
  - Piniwi
    
    Or PDM pay tax!
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:28am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Unlikely. Mana whenua are Ngati Kuia.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:41am
- JimBobJoe
  
  So didnt something like this happen to the original Whale Watch operation in Kaikoura?
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:25am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep and tourist boats Milford.
    The list keeps on giving.
    
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    April 10, 2023 11:00am
  - Ghost
    
    The hole in one on lake taupo went the same way I think
    
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    April 10, 2023 11:05am
    - Colville
      
      The fly in hunting blocks in the Kaimanawas went to the son of the big chief of tuwharetoa who then refused to pay the trust any rent so he was kicked out and so helisika took over and trebled the prices….
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:46am
- Ghost
  
  I wonder if they read the contract or had a lawyer read it.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:38am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  As the report notes, the current licencee has opted not to retender. If their track recorded is as described then they would stand a good chance of selection.
  
  Given that they have chosen to walk away, it’s a moot point as to whether they would have been unsuccessful. Any suggestion that the local iwi would inevitably have been selected ahead of the current licencee is racist speculation.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:38am
  - Colville
    
    Likely didn’t wish to tender as the rent went up 500% as a way of getting rid of them?
    
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    April 10, 2023 11:48am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    “…&/or…” isn’t suggesting any inevitability despite your strawman suggestion of racism.
    
    “On top of this, DOC also had to provide an opportunity for Treaty Partner Ngāti Kuia to participate in the tender process, as part of the Ngāi Tai ki Tāmaki 2018 Supreme Court decision.”
    
    Refer to the 4 examples above as to the historical results of these “opportunities”
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:06pm
  - AC
    
    I would have thought that given their excellent track record that would have stood a reasonable chance of being successful. It’s far easier to keep a successful operation running from DOCs perspective than to start a new one from scratch.
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:46pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      DOC’s perspective is “Treaty Partner.” Game over. The iwi always win.
      
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      April 11, 2023 1:01am
- peterwn
  
  If you lease premises or have concession for a finite period you cannot complain if you are not granted a renewal. Hopefully DOC has not been informally telling people bidding for concessions that a roll over is likely if the concession is successful. Similarly the person who sold the concession mid term was not implying that renewal would be a formality. If the written concession agreement is for 15 years with nothing mentioned about renewal you plan to close down and vacate after 15 years. If you snare a new lease that is your good luck.
  In fairness to DOC, they have to put a finite period on concessions. Changing circumstances mean that it could be appropriate for a concession or camping ground not to exist indefinitely.
  It is amazing that small business people are caught out with this time and again. Seems they do not get proper advice. It is not the first time that this sort of thing has happened and will not be the last.
  
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  April 10, 2023 1:05pm
Scott

Here we are at Easter and did Chris Luxon go to church? Don’t know. Doesn’t mention it on his Facebook feed. But what he did do was promise to change the Easter trading laws, no doubt to open up Easter to trading and further diminish the status of Easter as special days.

It’s like when John Key allowed homosexual marriage to go through under his watch. And the anti smacking bill to go through. And Rob Muldoon was PM when the gates were opened to abortion in 1977.

What’s wrong with National Party leaders? They never fail to disappoint.
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April 10, 2023 8:03am
- artemisia
  
  The best response to same sex marriage was “Don’t agree then don’t do it”.
  
  Same applies to Easter trading.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    This country is so far behind the ray of the world it is not funny, this is about progress
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:16am
    - Taieri
      
      this is about progress
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      And how do you define progress?
      
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      April 10, 2023 9:25am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Progress on being competitive with the rest of the world, you do realise people are now over looking this backward looking country? It is not compulsory to go to a pub if it is open on Easter Sunday, you can go to the pub now but you must have a meal, why?
        
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        April 10, 2023 10:32am
      - Taieri
        
        It is not compulsory to go to a pub if it is open on Easter Sunday
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        And how does the ability to go the pub on Easter Sunday and not to have to have a meal increase our competitiveness as a country?
        
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        April 10, 2023 10:45am
      - Hollyfield
        
        G. Also ridiculous some years ago it was raining on a Good Friday, I had a bored kid in the house so I said “let’s go the movies”. It was only when we got to the mall that I connected it was Good Friday and shops were closed. However the movies were open, because they’re not retail. Labour likes to say that we should support the worker’s rights to have a day off to spend with their families and it’s only a couple of days a year. I don’t actually have an issue with that, and I don’t care if shops are closed for occasional days, but why does the retail shop worker deserve to have a day with family, but the movie worker doesn’t?
        Or apparently retail in “tourist” areas are allowed to open – why does a regular retail worker deserve a day off but the tourist retail worker doesn’t?
        It’s the inconsistencies and exceptions that make the current law ridiculous.
        
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        April 10, 2023 10:59am
      - Che Guava
        
        Imagine having such a low conception of what a nation is as to think that “being competitive with the rest of the world” was the be all and end all. It’s such a hollow money-grubbing mercantile attitude.
        
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        April 10, 2023 12:51pm
      - Taieri
        
        It was only when we got to the mall that I connected it was Good Friday and shops were closed
        
        It’s the inconsistencies and exceptions that make the current law ridiculous.
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        Perhaps, the best solution would be to keep everything open 24/7 and 365 days (366 in the leap year). So that bored children can go to the movies if they are also sleepless…
        
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        April 10, 2023 12:54pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I quite like having a period with the shops closed. Easter is a great time to catch up with friends & family, hold regional & national tournaments & meet ups etc.
      
      It’s also reflective of our Judeo-Christian heritage that, like it or not, defines who we are as a country (bearing in mind that recent arrivals chose to come here because of the good things that spring from that heritage).
      
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      April 10, 2023 1:50pm
      - Che Guava
        
        I reject the term “Judeo-Christian.” Most religious Jews today revere the Talmud, not the Torah of the Old Testament.
        
        In fact, to be a Jew post-Christianity is, by definition, to reject Jesus Christ as the messiah who fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament. Islam reveres Jesus more than Judaism does. Catholicism and Judaism are thus antithetical and antagonistic. A new covenant was made with Jesus, and so the “chosen” Jews of the pre-Christian era are no longer chosen. It’s far more accurate to say ours is a Christian heritage, without adding the Judeo as a modifier.
        
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        April 10, 2023 2:59pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        In context, I used ‘Judeo-Christian’ to acknowledge the import of the Old Testament as well as the New – that is all.
        
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        April 10, 2023 5:47pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Guava Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi according to the scriptures Christians use.
        
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        April 10, 2023 6:17pm
      - Che Guava
        
        “Guava Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi according to the scriptures Christians use.”
        
        Of course, and so were his apostles. But Jesus the Jew instructed his Jewish followers that he was establishing a new covenant with mankind, and therefore, the “old laws” has been superseded by his teachings. This naturally upset the Pharisees, and led to his crucifixion.
        
        Thereafter, you were either a Christian, or you held on to an anachronism that was irrelevant. Jews today read the Talmud, which is a compendium of legalistic interpretations of the Old Testament. They consider Jesus to be a false prophet and reject him, and therefore, they reject Christianity.
        
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        April 10, 2023 7:16pm
  - Che Guava
    
    “The best response to same sex marriage was “Don’t agree then don’t do it”.”
    
    This sums up perfectly why the nominal right consistently lose (even if they “win”). This principle goes far beyond the particular issue of gay marriage – how about if you don’t agree, then you don’t allow it, because you think it’s wrong? To legislate anything is to legislate morality, because it is a matter of “this is right” or “this is wrong.”
    
    It’s just a completely weak and nihilistic cop-out to say “if it doesn’t effect me, then I don’t care” because when you live in a society, everything effects everyone else. Unless you live by yourself on a desert island, then you stand in relation to others, and everyone effects everyone else. Somethings are right, and somethings are wrong.
    
    Taken to a logical extreme, if everyone decided to get gay married, the society would end within a 100 years due to the absence of procreation.
    
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    April 10, 2023 1:13pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hey Scott. Time to join the rest of us in the 21st century.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:04am
  - stiff cheese
    
    Is there something to celebrate about the 21st Century?
    — the march of Globalism?
    — the march of Wokeism?
    — more Orwellian newspeak words?
    — Ardern embarking on her crusade to crush us with censorship?
    — more brain-washing of school children by lefty infiltrators? (see new Maths curriculum)
    
    Did Key have the right to redefine the word ‘marriage’? We already had the legal term for a gay couple: ‘civil union’…. Couldn’t we have added the same rights as married spouses to the Civil Union legislation?
    It’s the mangling of our language that I object to. Not the giving of legal rights to gay couples.
    
    And didn’t we have a referendum on ‘smacking’ which John Key ignored? (Luckily his proposed ugly bodge for a new flag, got rejected by the country.)
    That’s almost all I remember about him, apart from a lack of enthusiasm for recovering the dead miners’ bodies.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:24am
- Rusty
  
  @Scott – Also not sure what govt allowed weekend trading especially on a Sunday.
  
  Is Luxon really a christian ? I never hear him speak of the Saviour Jesus.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:12am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    He is waiting for polling and focus groups before he comments.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:24am
    - rouppe
      
      Or he thinks it’s nobody’s business.
      
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      April 10, 2023 9:41am
  - Ghost
    
    Some people understand their beliefs are personal, some just like to push their beliefs onto other people.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:39am
    - Che Guava
      
      Politics is pushing your beliefs on other people. But in order to do this, you first need some beliefs. The left understand this, which is why they dominate. Not understanding this is why National have spent almost their entire existence ceding ground.
      
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      April 10, 2023 12:55pm
    - Raphael
      
      if you truly believe in the religious position you take (whether it is Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Atheism etc.) then it should be an integral part of your worldview and the decisions you make and opinions you express.
      
      As a Christian, I have more respect for someone of a different faith who is honest about it forming his worldview etc., than a fellow Christian who tries to keep it separate.
      
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      April 11, 2023 9:35am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    “Is Luxon really a christian ? I never hear him speak of the Saviour Jesus” probably one of the most crap things I’ve read on this blog. I was going to explain why but I literally can’t be bothered. Enough to say he obviously understands the separation of his political role and his private convictions and the concept of separation of church and state.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He always stated his religious beliefs are his private thoughts snd he no longer goes to church, the left have been desperate from day one on Luxon
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:34am
    - Che Guava
      
      Good point. I mean, the left always keep their personal beliefs to themselves, don’t they. Sheesh.
      
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      April 10, 2023 12:57pm
    - Raphael
      
      The concept of separation of Church and State was to keep the State out of Religion, not Religion out of politics.
      
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      April 11, 2023 9:37am
  - Cassandra
    
    His salvation is his business. His ethics are my business and if they’re based on Christianity then good. “I don’t believe in God but I do believe in Church”. But his beliefs are entirely a matter for him, unless they’re contrary to decent (my) morality.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bugger off, Easter trading laws are archaic, when I have been over seas businesses are all open, pubs are open, cafes are open, but those who choose to have a holiday do so. It won’t be compulsory to open, and staff will get the option, but in those types of businesses like cafes snd bars they will be itching to get double time and a day in lieu
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:14am
  - Scott
    
    Bugger off yourself. No. Easter is a special day and should be protected. Many of you just want to do what you want,with no limits and no boundaries.
    
    But here’s the thing-
    You either defend traditional NZ values or you get the People’s socialist Republic of Aotearoa. That’s the binary choice here.
    Wake up NZers!
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:15am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Bullshit, it’s two wasted days for us who want to be able to go places, I would rather go to bloody work than sit on my arse at home, if you are religo, then that’s your right, but it should not be forced down our throats
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:36am
      - Scott
        
        Bullshit to you. It’s traditional values or its wokeism. The people will have a religion.
        Spend today thinking about the meaning of life. There’s a good chap.
        
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        April 10, 2023 12:32pm
      - Swifty
        
        Hahahhaahahah!
        
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        April 10, 2023 1:40pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s not one special day at all, it’s two
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:41am
    - rockape
      
      Just what proportion of the NZ population attends church? Excluding weddings and funerals.
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:10am
    - Rusty
      
      @Scott – “Some” right wing conservative people can be just as antagonistic towards christianity as left wing woke people can.
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:32am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Could be the “you’ll be tortured in hell in forever, if you don’t believe what I believe, oh and Jesus loves you” that some find problematic (if not highly irritating and absurd).
        
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        April 10, 2023 1:19pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I tend to agree G from Dunedin keeping Christian holidays in a multi faith country that has a majority Christian tradition makes sense if those of us that don’t want to or aren’t as religiously invested in the holiday don’t have restrictions imposed on us . Those that want to solemnly observe the day are welcome to but the Muslim or Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and atheist can take a less solemn position and do what we would. Thus preserving the Christian holiday for the devoted. I think it’s a pretty good compromise.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:19am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It makes no sense when we are trying to attract tourists back here and when the rest of the world is opened to then shut tourists out of the things that make life good, I don’t give a damn about religion, but that’s me, I don’t care about what others do, who are they to demand I sit on my arse, just like the weirdos forcing their gender bullshittery down our throats
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:40am
      - ISeeRed
        
        “I’ve always wanted to visit New Zealand but because retail is open only 362 days a year, I’m going to boycott it” said no tourist ever.
        
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        April 11, 2023 3:43pm
- kevn
  
  @Scott… You must be lost for words at the incumbents performance then.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:21am
- Bob
  
  what he did do was promise to change……
  No Scott. What he said was that the regulations need to be looked at, NO promise.
  Time you came out of the Fraser House basement fro some sunshine and fresh air.
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:50am
- Ra Henare
  
  Joh Key allowed homosexual marriage….
  Yep, a great case of Miss information right their.
  
  It was a conscience vote, Yes John Key voted for it.
  But allowed!!!!!!!!!!! Dont think so.
  32 nats Voted against, 27 for.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_New_Zealand
  
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  April 10, 2023 4:07pm
Ghost

New Bud Lite campaign?

https://postimg.cc/CnhB9T1r

And weird post from Trump

World War III

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110170048855978915
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April 10, 2023 8:06am
NeverMindTheBollocks

GWRC rates up 18%.

Apparently, they tried valiantly to keep the increase to 14%, but aren’t able to do so.

Just useless.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487635/wellington-ratepayers-face-another-steep-rise
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April 10, 2023 8:18am
- peterwn
  
  Well, people keep on voting left wingers who think that money grows on trees.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:50am
  - oldpark
    
    @peterwin 8.50am
    
    Couldn’t agree more . Hell slap it into them .Same comment in latest Taxpayers poll of Labour 36% Sycophants who bleat about 50/50 Co -Government yet give the Hipkins /Willie Jackson control freaks the thumbs up to continue the Legacy of the woman from Morrinsville. Nuff said.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:23am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    My lefty friend thinks it’s great to have a mayor who takes things seriously and will finally tackle the serious long-standing issues.
    
    When pressed, they couldn’t name one issue.
    
    People who vote for the left get what they deserve.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:36am
    - sirknz
      
      My lefty friend thinks it’s great to have a mayor who takes things seriously and will finally tackle the serious long-standing issues.
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      Far right, white supremacists that are absolutely everywhere and have infiltrated every single business making it difficult for the LGHDTV crowd and all those non-white migrants to feel safe anywhere are clearly the serious long standing issues…
      
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      April 10, 2023 1:52pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That’s democracy, Peter. But spare a thought for the thousands who voted for someone other than the current clown show.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:41am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Well, people keep on voting left wingers who think that money grows on trees.
    
    In Wellington it does – or at least there is n0 evidence yet that it doesn’t.
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:37pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      I’ve seen that tree. It’s in the basement of the Reserve Bank under ultraviolet lights, and every morning the Governor of the Reserve Bank takes a ceremonial axe from the wall, advances on the tree and makes a symbolic chopping motion, and the tree shakes as if in fear, and as it shakes coins, notes, and ten-year bonds fall from its branches.
      
      And the Governor smiles as the Minister of Finance rolls around in the new currency just like a pig in shit.
      
      Oink, oink.
      
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      April 10, 2023 5:05pm
- pdm
  
  Bollocks – did anyone really expect a Green Mayor and Council to keep rates to a minimum?
  
  Pleased I live well away from Wellington.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:06am
  - Nickc2
    
    NZ needs more Mayors like Akld’s Wayne Brown.
    He’s skilled at identifying Council deadwood, getting rid of it, and saving the ratepayers an expense.
    In fact, he’s so good at what he does that Hipkins has assigned one of his ministers (Michael Wood) as an understudy to Brown.
    No other NZ City or Town has a Govt appointed ministerial understudy into fiscal management eh?
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:21am
    - Paulus
      
      Remember Wood’s wife is on the Auckland Council too !
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:36am
      - Nickc2
        
        That’s because her husband is too dumb to take notes.
        
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        April 10, 2023 11:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Our new mayor in Dunedin is not as boisterous as Brown, but he appears to be trying for things that are common sense, and it’s great to see him taking the shambles that is the 1.7 billion dollar mess that is the Dunedin hospital, now smaller than the hospital that was supposed to be too small, oh and it was supposed to be finished this year, but still an empty section
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:44am
      - Nickc2
        
        Govt Bean Counters! Not a single medical mind amongst them eh.
        
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        April 10, 2023 11:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This refers to the regional council rates pdm. Wellington City Council rates went up by around 14% so it’s a double-whammy for many.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:24am
    - pdm
      
      Inv – the Hawkes Bay Regional Council is no better – dominated by Labour numpties in the key positions.
      
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      April 10, 2023 9:34am
      - Paulus
        
        Well who voted for this situation of left experts ?
        
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        April 10, 2023 10:37am
      - Colville
        
        pdm.
        And they can’t even take care of core business… Looking after rivers, drains and stop banks.
        
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        April 10, 2023 11:53am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Colville, much easier to blame Climate Chamge, complain it is going to cost money, do a lot of talking in circles, don’t address the problem and a change of weather means no action is necessary!
        
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        April 10, 2023 9:42pm
    - artemisia
      
      Personally not worried, will just increase the rents again, and fortunately have room for the increase to cover the big rates increase on my own place in a rather leafy Wellington suburb. All good then.
      
      Of course that’s what happens to rents when costs increase, as long as demand exceeds supply. Also of course, supply may exceed demand after October as public sector layoffs bite. Bring it on.
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:07am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Why is the option of spending less never investigated?
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:07am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Because we’re too far gone for that.
    
    It’s like telling the ginormous fat bugger down the street that if he just cuts his food intake by 100 calories a day that in 10 years he’ll weigh 5% less.
    
    He’ll just laugh and laugh while he deepthroats another packet of Toffee Pops and Highway to Hell plays at maximum volume.
    
    Seriously, they’re a delicious biscuit. You can’t blame the poor man. White Chocolate are my favourite since the cruel bastards discontinued salted caramel.
    
    That’s it in a nutshell. Hey, Voter-Bastard, want another cookie?
    
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    April 10, 2023 6:17pm
Widogast Corwin

The pink haired terror is back. She urges everyone in Aotearoa to get boosted.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131721291/siouxsie-wiles-bivalent-covid19-booster-gives-added-protection

She does give the government a telling off because people under 30 are not eligible for the 5th shot. 😂 What about the children? 😳
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April 10, 2023 8:21am
- igm
  
  To think already overburdened taxpayers are funding these lies and deceptive bullshit.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I don’t care what she wants those in Aotearoa to do. We in New Zealand will make our own decisions.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:33am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    Spot on.
    “That” other country, whose name I shall never speak, can just simmer and fester under the “wonderfulness” of it’s part breed occupants until it finally, fully, reverts back to the hellhole of warfare, infanticide, slavery and cannibalism it was 200 years ago.
    
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    April 10, 2023 8:56am
- Blackbob
  
  She does like the limelight it seems. Ignoring the WHO ‘s latest directive to not immunise children for c19. The UK are only offering it to elderly and immune-compromised now.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Switzerland has dropped all vaccinations.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:50am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Bloody backward anti-science sh*t hole!
      
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      April 10, 2023 1:22pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Switzerland is a global centre for the pharmaceuticals industry
      
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      April 10, 2023 4:16pm
- kevn
  
  @Wido… pinky pushing it even though Switzerland is finally taking the lead and banning the c19 jabs. Aussie has banned the AZ jab.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:37am
  - PeeJay
    
    There seems to be a few places that are now seriously looking at the jabs and quietly saying no thanks – and this isn’t fringe conspiracy folks but actual governments quietly dialing the jab’s back.
    
    Got to wonder what data they have which is causing such concern?
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:31am
    - mawm
      
      Probably most of the statistics they keep such as – all cause mortality, cancers, auto-immune diseases, blood dyscrasia, cardiac disease, miscarriages, congenital abnormalities, etc. All those sort of things proper testing of drugs should identify.
      
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      April 10, 2023 2:24pm
- Pavel
  
  You beat me to it. I couldn’t believe that we are still promoting it, she must be missing the attention or something. Notice though that the first word of the article says “opinion”. Most people won’t realize what that means.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:39am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Pink haired terror shows once again how her phd in bioluminescence affords her a deep understanding of medical issues and public health. I guess some people are not happy with their 15 minutes.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:19am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I did what I thought was right, and got the two shots, but since having covid March last year I have refused any boosters, she can open her mouth and let the wind blow her tongue around, but she can take a hike, work did not sack people for not being jabbed, so stuff them.
  
  I have been around people who have had covid since I had it, but no re infection, so clearly there is some immunity, likewise at the home where my mother is, she got COVID and so did 3 others, but no one that got it earlier got re infected
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:22am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I laughed at this:
  
  “The researchers found that a bivalent booster dose provided additional protection against symptomatic Covid for at least three months, even in people who had received as many as four doses of the original vaccines.”
  
  You have had FOUR doses of this ‘vaccine’. You now get a fifth dose and it apparently gives you three months protection against the disease.
  
  She says this without any self awareness of the absurdity of what she is selling. Can you imagine parents being sold a measles vaccine that gave THREE MONTHS protection against measles infection? ! For a start there is no way that any government would waste money on such a thing.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:49am
  - virtualmark
    
    The difference in duration of protection is because of the different infection paths.
    
    The immune system basically resides in the blood, lymph system and bone marrow.
    
    Infections that take place deep in the lungs or in the blood have contact with the blood and the lymph systems – so they quickly encounter the immune system and typically don’t have time to get established before they are under attack. And the blood/lymph protections tend to be strong and long-lasting. For example, protection against measles.
    
    Infections that take place in the upper respiratory tract (Covid, other coronavirus-related headcolds, flu) encounter the saliva-ry type secretions in the nose and throat, but don’t encounter the blood or lymph systems. Those upper respiratory tract secretions don’t have a strong immune system response. The secondary infections often go deeper into the body, and only then properly encounter the immune system … but by then the primary infection is well established and under way.
    
    That’s basically why immunity against Covid, headcolds and flus is so difficult, and why you have annual flu shots for example. The immune response in the upper respiratory tract is weak and short-life.
    
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    April 10, 2023 11:05am
    - mawm
      
      Have you heard of IgA?
      
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      April 10, 2023 2:27pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Yes I have. IgA is the key immune system defence in the upper respiratory tract. There’s always a small amount present there, but in the event of an infection it takes time (days to a few weeks) for the body to ramp up production to really fight the infection.
        
        That’s been one of the key aspects of Covid deaths in older people – that ramp up takes longer the older you get (and the weaker your immune system is) which allows the virus to replicate quickly and overwhelm the immune system while it’s still gearing up.
        
        But, back to what I said earlier … vaccines are injected into the muscle (ie the blood). They’re great at stimulating immune responses in the blood, but it’s harder to get the immune message through to the mucosal membranes. Hence vaccines tend to give weak and short protection against upper respiratory tract infections.
        
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        April 10, 2023 3:29pm
      - virtualmark
        
        ^^
        
        Also, when you do have Covid, or a vaccination (ie a weak dose of Covid) you get that burst of IgA (and other antibodies) being made which fights the infection. Those hang around for a while (months- ish) but then die off. The immune responses in the upper respiratory tract die off quickly, and fall back to that low-level maintenance amount. Which is another way of saying that the strong level of immunity doesn’t last long. That’s not the vaccines fault – it’s just the way that part of the immune system works.
        
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        April 10, 2023 3:35pm
      - mawm
        
        “But, back to what I said earlier … vaccines are injected into the muscle (ie the blood). They’re great at stimulating immune responses in the blood, but it’s harder to get the immune message through to the mucosal membranes.”
        
        Actually you didn’t. Your description is not very accurate. There’s a lot more to it and places the immune system resides. Professor Robert Clancy, a retired immunologist and one who was at the cutting edge of the work done on IgA in the ’70’s gives 2 very good talks on the immune system on Dr John Campbell’s YouTube. The second one is on IgA. You should probably give it a listen if you want to pontificate on mucosal immunity.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2UV0Ma1-yM
        
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        April 10, 2023 5:45pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Clearly my posts are high-level summaries of what is a very complex immune system response. I’m not trying to write a scientific paper, or appeal to a scientific audience. I’m trying to distill the key essence into a few sentences of conversation.
        
        But the key essence of what I put forward still stands:
        (1) Vaccines don’t stimulate as strong or long-lasting an immune response in the upper respiratory tract as they do in the blood and lymph systems.
        (2) Immune responses in the upper respiratory tract fade faster than do immune responses in the blood and lymph systems.
        
        Those are two pragmatic reasons why flu or Covid vaccines (and equally infections) don’t confer the long-lasting protection you see from, for example, measles vaccines. Which was the focus of my response to Widogast Corwin.
        
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        April 11, 2023 10:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The more she pushes this shit the more complicit she is in the malfeasance. If she’d kept her mouth shut from a few months ago we might have forgotten about her.
  Not a chance now. Poisonous, idiotic, narcissistic clown.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:47am
NeverMindTheBollocks

‘Maureen Delamere was 74 when she died, a mother of four with eight grandchildren who was a registered nurse, a volunteer for Women’s Rescue, the homeless and displaced Māori children. She had been living in Australia for the last decade but wanted to be brought home when she died.’

Foran initially told her [daughter] the rules were in place to prevent unauthorised family members removing bodies without the permission of the wider family, but quickly agreed they needed to change.

“Out of fear of not getting our mother home we reluctantly agreed knowing we would have a better argument once mum was in New Zealand”.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/487636/air-nz-admits-breach-of-tikanga-after-initially-refusing-to-release-body-to-grieving-whanau
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April 10, 2023 8:28am
- KiwiSapper
  
  So, Air New Zealand, ( how long before the woke’s within change the name to that “A” word) has a “recently-appointed Māori development lead…”
  I demand equality with the appointment of a “Non Maori Development lead.”
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:02am
- SpencerArnold
  
  yep she knew the rules going in, but decided to “doorstep” the establishment by whinging to all and sundry once she arrived in NZ. And the CEO of Air NZ has just allowed himself to be inserted into every body-snatching case involving maori and repartriation #airnzmuppet
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:31am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Oscar Wilde once commented that an Irishman will do anything for his country except live in it.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:43am
- Paulus
  
  As usual special rules for special people again !
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:40am
jon

10th April 2023, the 55th anniversary of the loss of the interislander ferry WAHINE and to us who lost a family member, a very painful day.
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April 10, 2023 8:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Many of Otago top cricketers were on that sailing, Otago were to play Wellington, I don’t think they played the game, I guess points weee shared.
  
  Sorry for your loss.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:26am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Pitch would have been damp
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:43am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, but it was an extremely strong cyclone, wind was huge, the sand swept the paint off the seaward side of the ambulances, it sand blasted the sand completely off, so I guess the city would have had damage and road closures, so much for the recent cyclone being the worst
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:49am
  - jon
    
    Thanks G.
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:28pm
- Sparrow
  
  A very sad anniversary. It made me think about how things have changed for the better with regard to safety. Today ferry sailings are cancelled and ports are closed. The Master of the Wahine Hector Gordon Robertson was hung out to dry by the Union Company and the Wellington Port. The harbour should have been closed but pressure was on to maintain the schedule and a ships Master is ultimately responsible. I had the privilege of sailing with Hector after this tragedy a gentleman and great ship handler. Unfortunately he recieved a lot of abuse on the anniversary. You could see it was killing him. It should not be forgotten everybody was successfully evacuated from Wahine. The loss of life occurred on the beaches. Our thoughts should be with the victims and their families but another victim was the Master. RIP
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:51am
- Colville
  
  Jon.
  I went to school with a chap who was a baby of a few months old… Came to shore in a life boat with his mum.
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:57am
  - jon
    
    Colville, my aunt and uncle werent that lucky, they were in a lifeboat that was hit by a rescue boat, flipping the lifeboat over with the passengers ending up in the water, my uncle drowned whilst my aunt wearing her life jacket remained in the water for four hours before the tide carried her across the harbour to the rocks of Pencarrow where she was finally retrieved, battered and bruised by two police officers and she then spent some time in Hutt Hospital. Of course when the passengers were ordered to abandon ship, with the Wahine badly listing, they could only access lifeboats on the lower side of the vessel meaning many passengers only option was to jump into the rough waters and hope for the best.
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:54pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAWvUYqKLfY

How Should the GOP Fight Back After Former President Trump’s Latest Arrest, with Victor Davis Hanson.

Megyn Kelly is joined by Victor Davis Hanson, Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, to discuss how the GOP should fight back, if they should demand Hunter Biden be charged for crimes, how the growing divide between Republicans and Democrats affects our judicial system, and more.
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April 10, 2023 8:31am
- virtualmark
  
  Do you think that if the GOP had any evidence that Hunter had committed crimes that they would not want him to be charged?
  
  So, since he hasn’t been charged, do you think that shows they don’t have any evidence that he committed crimes?
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:07am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Presidency, Senate, DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA are all controlled by democrats, as are the State elected positions in large metropolitan centres where Bidens live. Republicans hold congress with powers basically limited to holding hearings and compelling people to attend + writing legislation. Doesn’t matter how much evidence the near-complete Dem controlled US federal and coastal state govt will prevent any prosecution of Bidens from proceeding.
    
    Aside from which Biden would just immediately pardon his son if any prosecution were successful.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:13pm
  - curry4me
    
    Not being charged could just have something to do with his dad being in the WH.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:18pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Hunter has no immunity from prosecution.
    
    If the GOP House committees thought there was proof (even less-than-indictable level of proof) for Hunter committing crimes they could publish that, or make it public via hearings. That they haven’t done so is a tell.
    
    But hey, they spent how many years and how many investigations and how many $$$ trying to pin something/anything/please God anything on Hilary and couldn’t.
    
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    April 10, 2023 5:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUFSBGh5JGI

Global Supply Chain to Leave China by 2025: End of ‘Made in China’? | Apple Supply Chain.

According to data, Foxconn has nearly 90 production lines and employs over 300,000 people in Zhengzhou. Foxconn not only brings employment and tax revenue to Zhengzhou, but its import and export value also accounts for almost 80% of the city’s total import and export value, 60% of the entire Henan province’s, and nearly one-third of China’s mobile phone industry chain export value. So Foxconn’s economic contribution is extremely important to the province of Henan. Now, as Apple’s supply chain shifts to Southeast Asia, Foxconn is following suit and continuously announcing investments to build factories in India and Vietnam. It is said that due to a decrease in orders, Foxconn in Zhengzhou stopped hiring two months ago and will lay off over 10,000 employees. The Shenzhen Longhua Foxconn factory has also been affected. Starting from March, Longhua Foxconn gave employees a few months’ long vacation due to no orders. [What’s the down side? 13:59]
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April 10, 2023 8:31am
- Pavel
  
  I read an interesting comment, written by an American, that said “we wouldn’t have supply chain issues if the geniuses that run our country hadn’t pushed our manufacturing across the border and overseas”.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:00am
  - Swifty
    
    I wonder exactly how that American thinks companies moving their manufacturing to lower-cost countries should have been stopped?
    
    And at what price?
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:11am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Meanwhile, China forced foreign car makers to share tech as a condition of market entry & now is squeezing them out.
  
  A key point is that China has no respect for IP.
  
  Another is that the CCP thinks long term. Providing Western consumers with cheap goods over a couple of decades is fine in return for securing a dominant position from which those Western consumers can be squeezed in future. See also the cheap infrastructure loans to poor countries that translate to infrastructure control when the inevitable debt default occurs – see Sri Lanka.
  
  Better for the consumer goods industry to give Chinese manufacturing the heave-ho.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300849245/china-slowly-squeezes-global-carmakers-out-of-its-massive-market
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:53am
  - Colville
    
    USA is moving manufacturing to Mexico… Cheaper, closer and no theft of IP.
    
    China dosent seem to be able to innovate…
    
    Maybe their time is up?
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:00pm
    - curry4me
      
      I sure hope so.
      
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      April 10, 2023 4:20pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Too many grubs making big money selling out their nation’s sovereignty, security and freedom.
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:51pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, that’s how things would go if Western rulers didn’t despise the ruled; and weren’t so short sighted.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:20pm
Taieri

The pink haired terror is back.
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As is professor Baker the Undertaker…

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/covid-19-may-kill-1000-kiwis-2023-michael-baker
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April 10, 2023 8:31am
- kevn
  
  @Taieri… They must have been reading tea leaves instead of the news of global reversal on c19 jabs.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:46am
- I remember when
  
  Or, they could die of some other cause.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:40am
- Taieri
  
  “Governments have every right to say, our health system is under stress and therefore we’d require people not to add to it with avoidable diseases – it’s pretty reasonable.
  
  Says the Undertaker Baker…
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/keep-current-covid-restrictions-baker
  
  Perhaps the Government should pass the law prohibiting people from getting sick?
  
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  April 10, 2023 12:50pm
Tauhei Notts

I saw a piece in this morning’s newspaper which said that 65% of New Zealanders trust TVNZ and RNZ for their news.
I’m part of the 35%, but I thought it would be more than 35%. 65% trust TVNZ and RNZ; that is very depressing.
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April 10, 2023 8:32am
- Taieri
  
  I saw a piece in this morning’s newspaper which said that 65% of New Zealanders trust TVNZ and RNZ for their news
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  And the sample size was?…
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:34am
  - Nickc2
    
    Sample size = author’s keyboard = PIJF rewards.
    Isn’t that Willie Jackson’s formula for MSM funding?
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:00am
  - Inandout
    
    The news room people.
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:13pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Hopefully twitter labels TVNZ and RNZ correctly.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11954631/Elon-Musk-risks-row-BBC-labelling-government-funded-media-Twitter.html
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:36am
  - curry4me
    
    Good for him.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:22pm
- mandk
  
  I guess the question is how whoever it was ended up with those figures.
  
  It can’t be anything to do with audience share.
  
  What were the respondents asked?
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:40am
- Pavel
  
  To be fair you could probably trust 65% of their news. Headlines like “car crash kills 2”, “slip closes road”, “ferries cancelled” etc. As for the rest I just keep scrolling.
  
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  April 10, 2023 8:53am
- KiwiSapper
  
  I ceased reading “false new” dressed up as paid advertising several years ago… I suggest that you also refrain .
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:06am
- cjn
  
  Is it possible for us to have a by-line on newspapers and on-line news channels that accept government money that the source is State Sponsored? The BBC now publishes the fact under its logo. We should do the same . Might wake some people up.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:11am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The BBC is not too happy with Elon about Twitter calling it ‘government funded media’.
    
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65226481
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:17am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s clear that the majority of mainstream media around the globe are nothing more than propaganda amplifiers with very few exceptions. NZ is totally captured.
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:51am
      - Master Mariner
        
        I prefer the more accurate term ” Embedded”.
        
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        April 10, 2023 11:17am
      - mawm
        
        They are all captured by the “Trusted News Initiative” which I believe the BBC had a hand in putting in place.
        
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        April 10, 2023 2:50pm
- graham
  
  Hmm. Those figures are at odds with other surveys, such as the Edelman Trust Barometer which in a survey conducted in November 2021 found that:
  
  None of the major information sources are trusted as a source of general news and information, with trust in search engines at 59%, followed by traditional media at 57%, owned media at 43% and social media at only 37%.
  
  https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/files/aatuss191/files/2022-01/Trust 22_Top10.pdf
  
  This survey was across 36,000 respondents, from 28 countries. I highly recommend reading the full survey.
  
  I leave it to the individual to decide which survey they trust more. 🙂
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:37am
- Waipuk
  
  https://youtube.com/shorts/S3ngLSkMGZ4?feature=share
  
  Posy Parker has something to say about the matter
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:17am
Chuck Bird

From Sky News

Hipkins ‘not fit to lead the country’ after blunder on being asked what a woman is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ktQHVpiprQ
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April 10, 2023 8:36am
- Hollyfield
  
  Kellie-Jay Keen has held a #LetWomenSpeak event overnight. The events in Auckland silencing women feature in the speeches of many of the women speaking, plus written underneath and in the live chat. Plus laughter and more written comments when Kellie-Jay Keen said NZ’s PM doesn’t know what a woman is.
  Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrezmvKXHa8
  Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RmIbR5wIN4
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:02am
- dave_c_
  
  This abominable failure on his part, has finally cemented my view of ALL politicians –
  Hipkins answer indicated that a) he had not been briefed on what to say, and b), they mention that even simple questions would need a working party to determine ‘the official view’, and massage it into child speak, so that even a polly could parrot it back to us.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:15am
- Tomtoddy
  
  @Chuck. Hipkins is the epitome of a poll enslaved, populist, void of principle, addicted to power. He was hesitant to answer the question on what is a woman because he had to try and figure what would be the answer that would be expected, that would yield the most support among his base voters. That instead of being honest, factual and principled.
  
  That the MSM have largely let him away with stopping progress on the many law changes he was heavily involved in and subscribes to just to try and arrest the slide in Labour’s popularity is reprehensible. He is as shallow as a pavement puddle.
  
  The question is, “do we have principled politicians any more”? Luxon, once a conservative church-going Christian is happily backtracking on key moral issues to a point where we are not sure what he stands for any more. Seymour has even been guilty of a bit of popularism over principle too, although it is far more evident what he stands for.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:16am
  - Swifty
    
    I am really interested in what women think of Hipkins’ performance.
    
    What do they think of a PM who stumbles and blathers over such a simple question?
    
    Do they like him more or less now that they know he can’t define what half the human population is?
    
    Personally speaking, are women just a bit offended by his reply to Plunket’s question? That anyone can be a woman? That being a woman is just a ‘feeling’? A cloak that can be put on or taken off, rather than intrinsically biological?
    
    Let’s see our news media ask and answer these sorts of question.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:27am
    - Nickc2
      
      There’ll be a lot of farmer’s wives who voted Labour last election more than somewhat perplexed by Hipkins dithering and explanation.
      Are farmers now going to insist Artificial Inserminators ensure semen being used is tested for the absence of queer Tadpoles?
      
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      April 10, 2023 9:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, farmers did not vote Labour to keep greens out, their families did, but be assured they now know they were bullshitted to
        
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        April 10, 2023 12:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      Some women appear to think that young little chippie is like a cuddly toy, and that is why they like him.
      And dislike Luxon because he is a man and bald.
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have been hammering the fact he doesn’t know what a woman is on FB, most of the likes are from women, and when they comment back they are none too happy.
      
      It’s utterly pathetic he can’t say what a woman is, yet they are spouting womens pay equity the next minute, not sure if he was too scared to suggest a man can be a woman or not, but he looked like an utter idiot
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:55am
    - Swifty
      
      I might add that if a trans-man was a member of my social groups (I am yet to have that pleasure) but who sort of ‘threw their weight around’ and claimed to be a bloke, wanted to be treated as a bloke, claimed that they knew what it’s like to be a bloke etc etc etc I think three things would be observed:
      
      1. The blokes in my circles would be unfailingly polite and courteous in response.
      
      2. The degree to which the trans-man would be accepted into my circles would be determined almost exclusively by how good they were to be around, their camaraderie and good humour and willingness to work in our shared endeavours.
      
      3. They absolutely would not ever be fully accepted as a bloke, they would always be regarded as a woman living as a bloke.
      
      I wonder what proportion of New Zealand woman would act and feel the same way, with a trans-woman, but in reverse?
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:08am
    - The Housekeeper
      
      Biggest thing for me Swifty was when he said he would have been there if he could, to protest against NZ women. Ouch. That he can’t even define his enemies is a red flag to women. Clearly, he’s not to be trusted. He is definitely not on our side.
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:58am
      - Swifty
        
        A great point.
        
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        April 10, 2023 2:33pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I gave you an uptick but do not quite agree with you in regards to Seymour. I am a conservative so don’t agree with him on certain moral issues. However, he does have principles unlike other leader.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:31am
    - Hollyfield
      
      Also from the link in Chuck’s comment, it leads to a piece from Sky News which also includes an interview with Chris Hipkins, presumably just after he became PM as he was spouting how Jacinda received so much hate just because she’s a woman, and men need to stand up and support women.
      
      Contrast that with his statement that if he had been in Auckland he would have attended the protest to prevent women speaking two weeks ago.
      
      Despicable man from a despicable party.
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        However, he did attend Akld’s ‘Big Day Out’ dressed in Gay supportive garb.
        
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        April 10, 2023 11:20am
- Nickc2
  
  That was an international disgrace!
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:34am
Yvette

“3 Waters” – the conversation we are not having
And under Hipkins, those who have waited an Ardernity for this public conversation to occur, should know it is no happening
1 – it is all too complex to slogans for the plebs
2 – Hipkins doesn’t want all this shit to hit the Election fan
3 – because shit sticks

Entities are also required to give effect to Te Mana o te Wai, and mana whenua whose rohe or takiwā is in the entity’s area can make a Te Mana o te Wai statement setting out how, in their view, an entity should do this.
https://www.dia.govt.nz/three-waters-reform-programme-frequently-asked-questions
Frequently Asked Questions > Water Services Entities Bill > How does this Bill uphold iwi/Maori interests?

Does this coveat – “mana whenua whose rohe or takiwā is in the entity’s area” – actually disenfranchise those of Maori descent living outside the rohe of their descent?

And in terms of rohe, how can Tukoroirangi Morgan “head the Three Waters iwi body for Auckland and Northland?

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“As kaitiaki of Waikato awa, we support all steps to protect the natural taonga that is our taiao.” – Morgan https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300731108/tuku-morgan-to-head-three-waters-iwi-body-for-auckland-and-northland
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April 10, 2023 9:00am
- Ehlana
  
  Three Waters was being sold to the people as the only way to prevent sky high bills for water. The question I’d really like answered is, will anyone lend to an entity that could have its entire operation shut down on the whim a third party that has no expertise, ownership interest or accountability at all?
  
  And co-governance is not something we’re supposed to be scared of. Why I shouldn’t be scared when our current system of government is replaced by one no-one can explain is a mystery to me. Seems like exactly the situation in which a reasonable person ought to be very scared.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:18am
- Paulus
  
  As I do not speak or understand the context of your comments but that is what we are all to understand – sweet fa.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:47am
  - Ehlana
    
    They have achieved their aim then.
    
    Te Mano o te Wai is the “mana” or power of water. This concept is declared to be “at the heart of the new system” and the new entities will have to give effect to it “as articulated by mana whenua” – being the local Maori of the area. The new entities will be obliged also to fund and support this participation.
    
    Maori living outside their ancestral area will not have special status in the places where they live, though presumably could, through their tribal associations, influence what happens in the area where their tribe is dominant.
    
    While there is a requirement for co-governance at Regional Representative Group level, and for the Water Service Entity boards to have at least some members with “kaitiakitanga, tīkanga and mātauranga” Māori experience in water delivery, I can’t see anything about conflict of interests where, for example, a Maori group has a commercial interest in water use, or is in competition with other users, but has the power to issue Te Mana o Wai directives.
    
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    April 10, 2023 1:01pm
    - Nickc2
      
      This co-governance rort isn’t going to work. Anyone with half a brain (current PM included) would scrap it, and all references to it before it grows even more tentacles.
      
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      April 10, 2023 1:07pm
      - DimChappie
        
        That sounds optimistic Nickc2, Hipkins could have cancelled 3 Waters as soon as he took over as PM but has not. He loves the idea of tribal NZ, just like Jacinda did. But opposition to co-governance will grow as the election nears, I reckon.
        
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        April 10, 2023 3:50pm
- pdm
  
  Yvette this stuff headline shows why Hipkins won’t rescind 3/5/All Waters.
  
  `Māori should be front and centre of climate change and weather disaster responses.’
  Link follows:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131716871/mori-should-be-front-and-centre-of-climate-change-and-weather-disaster-responses
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:22am
- Nickc2
  
  we support all steps to protect the natural taonga that is our taiao
  Whose property (taonga) and environment (taiao) is Morgan talking about?
  If he’s talking about Maori property and the environment, he can get fucked! We’ve paid these people enough to protect their property themselves.
  If he’s alluding to NZ being Maori Property, once again, he can get fucked. Maori don’t own NZ, much as they are trying to rewrite history to reflect their claims.
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:33am
I remember when

English department at a local high school have been sorting through their storage space.
In the process they have found some writing done by previous classes about 10 years ago.
They were amazed at the standard, knowledge and the depth displayed.
In their view, the work produced by their top students today would only be considered satisfactory.
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April 10, 2023 9:14am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Wow 10 years is a sharp decline.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:50am
a3kidlady

Can anyone help? I’m totally bewildered by the polls which show labour/greens having an actual shot at the election this year. I don’t associate with many people that would contemplate voting for them, so find the apparent lack of ability to connect the dots around so many failures very bewildering.
I genuinely would like to know, what is the thinking that leads so many people to think that labour/greens and god forbid the maori party, deserve another shot at government??
I figure if I understand the thinking, I can at least mount an argument against it.
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April 10, 2023 9:20am
- Yvette
  
  For those who voted Ardern last Election to now change and vote for another party, may involve a process of admitting to themselves that they made a mistake last time. That could result in giving Hipkins a chance as an untested PM, whereas he is in tact, through Cabinet and ranking, as responsible as Ardern for Labour’s non-delivery of almost everything but “3 Waters” and societal division.
  So meanwhile they screw with the polls (which aren’t really the Election) rather than screw with your own brain?
  
  (A3kidlady – observe how often your three kids admit to making a mistake)
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I note the TPU poll stated that the poll was of decided voters, so does this change the poll somehow? Don’t know, but other polls cover the 100% even though the undecided, was this poll different? I note Hipkins dropped heaps on favourables, Lab Greens say they favour the fool, where I guess ACT and Nats are divided on favourables for their leader, that very point make favorability bullshit
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    I still believe that many who voted Ardern last time will not vote.
    They cannot admit voting that way (I cannot find any body admitting they did) and are reluctant to believe they could have been wrong.
    They will abstain from voting as under no circumstances would ever consider voting National or ACT.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:52am
    - Ghost
      
      Our little town supposedly flipped red, no one admits to voting her.
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:58am
      - Colville
        
        Just like no one voted for Clark the last time she won.
        
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        April 10, 2023 12:06pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Tell them that they’re moral cowards
      
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      April 10, 2023 6:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s a few die-hard Labour/Green folk that are regular Letter writers to the Gisborne Herald… At least 3 of them are giving both votes to the Greens this year…
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/opinion/fighting-pervasive-colonial-patriarchy
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:39am
  - Swifty
    
    She got the ‘loony leftie’ bit right.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:00am
  - Taieri
    
    “Pervasive colonial patriarchy”…in the country where female MP’s are in greater number than male MP’s, and where GG and Chief Justice of Supreme Court are females. In the country where until recently the PM was a female and where 9 Cabinet ministers out of 19 are women. Where a great number of politicians do not hide their “unconventional” sexual orientation. Where people of Chinese, Cook Islands Māori, Eritrean, Indian, Iranian, Korean, Maldivian, Mexican, Samoan, Sri Lankan, and Tongan extraction were elected to the Parliament in 2020 and where 21% of all MPs are of Maori descent.
    Colonial Patriarchy indeed! What parallel universe does this imbecile inhibit?
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:32am
    - Paulus
      
      Indeed if you look via any media you will see that almost all of the newly appointed CEO’s, Banks and say the IRD and Treasury, for example, are women, many appointed from overseas.
      As they are the best people for these very highly paid top jobs, particularly in the Public Service, we are well served.
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:56am
  - Jack5
    
    The Gisborne Melon-Greenie writes: …all I see from the right is a desperate clinging to capitalistic power and a Eurocentric stifling of diversity…
    
    Britain is spending the equivalent of $NZ9.5 million a day housing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in hotels.
    
    Meanwhile Communist China is pushing hard to absorb Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongolians, into the Han Chinese population.
    
    Meanwhile, non-Eurocentric Burma persecutes and drives out its ethnic minorities.
    
    Meanwhile, the ethnicities of Ethiopia fight each other.
    
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    April 10, 2023 11:05am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think there’s a bit of a scrap going on amongst the local iwi around Gizzy, also.
      
      https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/gdc-pulls-out-of-rau-tipu-rau-ora
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:37am
- Thought Criminal
  
  People who will vote Labour because the know or believe they will be better off with a Labour PM:
  
  1. Criminals. Less likely to be jailed. More likely to be released.
  
  2. Unecessary bureaucrats. There are tens of thousands of them and they know it. One of Chippies first acts was to publicly state how he remembered the pain of the public service lay-offs under Douglas and how that would never happen under him.
  
  3. Beneficiaries. Regular increases in payments are more likely under Labour. Especially important when everything is getting so expensive.
  
  4. Media. Largely funded by the government now.
  
  5. Consultants. The country may collapse but they’re getting rich.
  
  Say what you like about Labour, but they know how to dramatically increase the number of people who are dependent on the state and therefore will likely vote Labour.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:01am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yeah, but how many does that amount to in reality? May be 5% of the voting franchise? Where does the other 30%-odd come from?
    
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    April 10, 2023 6:42pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/04/brutal-footage-shows-woman-beaten-in-ngaruawahia-liquor-store-before-she-s-dragged-away-into-car.html

Can someone ask marama Davidson whether this is a white male punching that “woman” and dragging her away?

But jamming Maori words into everything will stop Maori thugs acting like this right?
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April 10, 2023 9:22am
- Ghost
  
  Has there been any id in who he is? When I watched it last night thought the looked like a white guy, but skin colour means nothing. Anyway, good to see she is safe
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think you need to go to Specsavers.
    
    The Chap has the same skin tone as the assaulted female.
    
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    April 10, 2023 9:43am
    - Ghost
      
      He looks white to me but my eyes are playing up from a histamine dump
      
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      April 10, 2023 11:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Check this clip played on Prime TV tonight (From 4:40 min)
        
        https://www.primetv.co.nz/news
        
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        April 10, 2023 7:46pm
      - Ghost
        
        thanks that is much clearer video
        
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        April 10, 2023 8:01pm
  - Opie
    
    Yea sure, the one white guy in ngarawahia assaulted a Maori female. He would already be dead if that was the case…
    
    Stop arguing for the sake of it. You know this a special person.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:01pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Inconclusive
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:39am
Ghost

Bugger, I missed this one, lol

Act Party leader David Seymour is denying he is anti-women after copping criticism for saying former prime minister Jacinda Ardern was “too dumb” to keep up with a global conspiracy.

He made the comments on a podcast with Max Key last month while speaking about Covid-19 conspiracy theories.

Seymour assured people Ardern couldn’t have been part of one because she was “too dumb” and would “screw it up”.

Nz herald
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April 10, 2023 9:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s specifically referring to one woman as being dumb…
  
  That doesn’t make his statement anti-women.
  
  His statement seems to be a widely held opinion about the intellectual capacity of Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:59am
  - Swifty
    
    Unlike Davidson who DID damnably slur a whole segment of the population, deliberately so and with a smirk on her face.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:30am
    - Hollyfield
      
      And who was defended by Willie Jackson because it was “her lived experience”. (Although I don’t believe that is genuinely why he defended her.)
      
      I was sexually assaulted (in a very minor way) by a Maori man when I was 16, walking home from the bus stop at 6pm.
      
      Could I say that sexual violence is perpetrated by Maori men, because that is my lived experience?
      
      I actually wouldn’t say that, because I believe each person is an individual responsible for their own actions, and that to lump everyone with the same race in with the actions of one person is racist.
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Her lived experience…as she has publicly stated …was that she was sexually abused as a child by a family member.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/speaking-secrets-marama-davidsons-painful-memory-of-sexual-abuse/IN5K4LJGXRPNLO4I4KKA3FDLAY/
        
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        April 10, 2023 11:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, and she was backed by Hipkins as a minister, she should be driven out if parliament and tried for witch craft
      
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      April 10, 2023 10:59am
      - Hollyfield
        
        Disagree with you on this – she has the right to speak her viewpoint, and we have the right to disagree with and criticise her. The sad thing is that enough people will vote for her party to possibly get her back in, thus allowing her to continue her racist agenda.
        
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        April 10, 2023 11:10am
- alloytoo
  
  A statement of truth.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:46am
bennerg

On reading this Tweet from Jeremy Clarkson, I just realised where 3 Waters fits in – it’s a combination of the globalist agenda to mess up, and then centrally control agriculture and the food supply, using (in New Zealand) the support of the Maori “elite” to get the legislation in place.

Having written that I suddenly realised this is a conspiracy theory, but joining the dots now evident, it is hard to come to any other conclusion. Now it seems I’m witnessing a train crash with no means to avert the disaster.

https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1645013958338682886

Farmers of New Zealand need to watch this.
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April 10, 2023 9:28am
thirteenstars

On Reality Check Radio, Lindsay Perigo (who’s now apparently a regular there) on Paul Brennan’s breakfast show, offers the most wonderful insight, that (apropos Easter) most sane people scoff at the idea of virgin women giving birth but happily accept the modern equivalent that men can have babies:

https://realitycheck.radio/replays/paul-brennan-breakfast/

From about 14:30.
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April 10, 2023 9:57am
- Ghost
  
  I would expect that the people who don’t believe in a virgin giving birth also don’t believe in a man giving birth. I’d say that the 99% of people do not believe a man can give birth unless the baby is a kidney stone……..
  
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  April 10, 2023 9:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    email Hipkins for a definitive answer!
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:05am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “I’d say that the 99% of people do not believe a man can give birth unless the baby is a kidney stone”
    
    Certainly, but that’s not Perigo’s point, which would be: what percentage of those would also believe in the virgin birth?
    
    Almost exclusively the millions who attended Easter services would believe in the virgin birth but not in the ability of men to give birth, yet it amounts to the same thing: a suspension of reason and the substitution of faith, wishful thinking, dogma.
    
    Which is exactly what the woke do except in reverse. They scoff at the idea of a virgin birth but readily embrace the dogma of men doing the same.
    
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    April 10, 2023 10:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/nationwide-plan-to-get-iceberg-flyer-to-all-kiwis/

There is an interview by Toxic Tova of Councilor Jake Laws.
“A significant Police presence” Tova.
Wrong Tova. There were 13 Police inside and maybe a couple outside. Why do you lie? Jake Laws also needs educating. He maintains that Maori chiefs did not cede sovereignty at Waitangi of February 6th 1840. Sorry. Jake has read the Waitangi Tribunal version, not the Littlewood version.
You can decide. The true Treaty is in this Stop Co-Governance blog
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April 10, 2023 10:03am
Chuck Bird

The violence is happening many places in the world.

‘Tolerant trans activists’ attack Melbourne Uni Professor for pushing ‘women’s rights’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W51z9qhuhE
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April 10, 2023 10:09am
- sirknz
  
  Were they ‘mostly peaceful’ like the ones that attacked the female swimmer in San Francisco?
  
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  April 10, 2023 2:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Winston Peters on Free Speech and Mob Rule – the Rosie Parker debacle

As for the rest. Make no mistake. They weren’t protesters. They were a mob.

This wasn’t a protest voicing their views. This was a thuggish intolerant mob violently shutting down freedom of speech.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2304/S00045/our-country-freedom-of-speech-and-posie-parker.htm
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April 10, 2023 10:14am
- Taieri
  
  What a shame that Winston doesn’t walk the talk…
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:34am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I will not be voting for Winston but I agree with what he has said.
  
  I have yet to hear Luxon condemn the violence let alone question why the police did not protect the vulnerable women.
  
  In case I missed anything can someone who disagrees with what I said about Luxon please show me a link.
  
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  April 10, 2023 10:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You lost me at Winston Peters
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:00am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Oh, man, those Nats don’t like Peters. You can’t step out of line or you’ll be in the Pugh.
    
    Mind you, they loathe ACT, too. Something about stealing votes not rightfully theirs, mumble, mumble.
    
    Shame the Nats don’t hold to their principles they way they hold a grudge.
    
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    April 10, 2023 11:59am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Do you suggest that in 2017 that Peters was right to go with the party that had far less support snd seed the greens in as well? Oh I think most ACT voters think f….Peters as well, Peters is a vulgar scourge on this country
      
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      April 10, 2023 12:44pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Peters is a vulgar scourge on this country”
        
        “Oh, man, those Nats don’t like Peters.”
        
        Just so.
        
        2017 is very recent history**. The grudge that Nat stalwarts have against him goes way, way back to the early 90s, which is just about the same time they took agin ACT.
        
        I know what Peters is, and where he comes from. But when the man is right, he’s right. And he’s often right, a bit like Trump. The problem is that many Old Guard Nats have Peters Derangement Syndrome which prevents them from seeing the forest for the trees, or perhaps the trees for the forest. Take your pick.
        
        Interestingly enough, perhaps ironically, Peters falling out was over his disagreement with Ruth Richardson’s economic program. He called it Ruthenasia. Got him sacked. And yet for many years now Richardson’s approach has most certainly been disavowed by National, if not by word then certainly by deed, which makes them, along with Peters, idiots.
        
        **It was all Peters’ fault, was it? Nothing to do with English and his Nats and their loathing for him? Forest, trees.
        
        Now, back to ACT and those stolen votes…
        
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        April 10, 2023 1:31pm
- nathie
  
  Winston needs to be calling out the Police.
  
  He might even get more MSM interest if he can find out the reason for the Police inaction.
  
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  April 10, 2023 12:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I think I heard the Nats say they have enquired into why the police sat silent
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:45pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Source please.
      
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      April 10, 2023 1:25pm
    - nathie
      
      Mark Mitchell has spoken out against the Police failure (but has anything eventuated since)?
      
      Mitchell did not attend the protest, but said the fact a protester poured tomato juice on Keen-Minshull showed a failure from police.
      
      “There should have been better protection to ensure that there wasn’t that type of violence,” he said.
      
      “Because someone was actually assaulted at it, it means that [police] have failed in making sure that that event could have actually gone forward.”
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131623853/nationals-mark-mitchell-wants-review-into-why-police-failed-to-stop-posie-parker-juice-attack
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/mark-mitchell-calls-assault-of-anti-transgender-activist-posie-parker-a-failure-by-police.html
      
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      April 10, 2023 2:51pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Has anybody asked Peters whether he is now glad that he went with Jacinda?
  
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  April 10, 2023 1:17pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Has anyone asked Bill English why National with the most popular support could not clinch a deal with Peters?
    
    Even if the failure was 50/50, which it probably was, it just goes to show where decades of personal antipathy gets you. It makes you look stupid, outsmarted by a lank-haired former Socialist Youth leader who according to David Seymour ain’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.
    
    And I can see this stupidity being replayed between National and ACT if they can get over the line come October.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:50pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

‘Rinku Singh hit five sixes off the last five balls to lead Kolkata Knight Riders to a thrilling three-wicket win over Gujarat Titans in the Indian Premier League.

Chasing 205 and needing 29 from the last over, Rinku produced a brutal onslaught on bowler Yash Dayal.

The innings eclipsed spinner Rashid Khan’s hat-trick in the 17th over that had Kolkata reeling at 155-7.’

What are the chances, eh. Did someone make a killing at the bookies? I trust that the IPL Integrity Unit will be taking a long, hard look at this result

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65227021
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April 10, 2023 10:23am
- AitchW
  
  It really pisses me off that sub continent bookies have robbed every game of cricket, domestic or international, of any credibility. Every time in a test, odi or T20 someone drops a sitter of a catch, is bowled through the gate or even hits a six I wonder how much it cost……..
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:09am
  - MCōs
    
    Don’t let a chance go by for a conspiracy theory, eh.
    
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    April 10, 2023 1:46pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Hitting five sixes off a final oval against top class bowling is difficult to say the least. It would be interesting to know if it has ever been achieved in a T20 or ODI before.
  
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  April 10, 2023 11:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m informed that the bowler of the last innings has instructed his manager to make an offer to buy the Taj Mahal. //
    
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    April 10, 2023 11:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s hit and giggle
    
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    April 10, 2023 12:46pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Herschelle Gibbs hit six sixes in an over in ODI cricket
    
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    April 10, 2023 3:57pm
  - greybeard
    
    You should also ask if scoring 300 against India is a genuine event, or one aided by Indian betting money.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:54pm
kevn

winnie = All buzzwords and a few years too late.
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April 10, 2023 10:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

@pdm.
The Stop Co-Governance Havelock North venue. Looks like a venue was cancelled so they are still looking. TBC = to be confirmed. The actual venue location will be posted the day before. This is so protesters have less time to organise.

Email from Natalie Ward:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your email. We are still working on a venue for Havelock North, so keep checking the website and when we have one we will add “Venue TBC” next to the location and enable registration for the event. https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/2023-nz-stop-co-governance-tour/

We have removed reference to our venues so that they don’t have to endure weeks of harrasment from protestors. We will put the venue and address on the website and advise everyone who is regsitered for the event 12 – 24 hrs out from the event happening.

Regarding ‘Paul the other one’, I’ve just checked out his video. His vitriol, for the most part, is no worse than what many other haters are spouting, although the fact he calls for the attendees of the Orewa event to be thrown off a bridge is justification enough for blocking him.

Thanks very much for the heads up on this kind of thing.

Kind regards,
Natalie Ward
for Stop Co-Governance

Paul the other one is a nasty creature who posted a video full of expletives and hate, on Facebook. I replied and he blocked me. Fine, I don’t want to engage with his type.

Steve
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April 10, 2023 10:41am
- thirteenstars
  
  Well, talking of Posie Parker using Brian Tamaki’s boys as security, that’s what Batchelor should do.
  
  And forget venues, hold the meeting in a public place. Let the thugs show themselves for what they are, and let’s see if the police have learned some decency and respect for the laws they are supposed to be upholding.
  
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  April 10, 2023 12:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The public place is the Domain, on Election eve.
    Oh, and the Police will hide up a side street.
    Then again The Police might be too busy as they were in Ngaruawahia the other day Police had to come from Cambridge, 40km away?
    The Police just don’t want to get involved.
    
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    April 11, 2023 7:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Covid lockdowns may have lasted too long? Fauci flip-flop, but it applies here in NZ as well. Yet another reason why Jaspinda headed for the hills.

https://therightwingclub.com/realloadednews/fauci-flip-flops-on-covid-lockdowns-after-he-destroyed-families-and-the-economy/?utm_placement=realloadednews
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April 10, 2023 10:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Willie Jackson still holds the reins… but does he know in which direction public media is headed?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jacksons-planb-for-public-media
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April 10, 2023 11:19am
Swifty

Maggie T sticks it to Labour like nobody else could and with style:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SMeL9kqODEU
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April 10, 2023 11:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will this work?

https://fb.watch/jP3FMDwE8C/
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April 10, 2023 12:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes! Fill ya boots!
  
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  April 10, 2023 12:17pm
Waipuk

From the RNZ website. “Police urge rainbow community to report threats, violence in wake of Posie Parker visit”

Where were the police when women were been threatened?
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April 10, 2023 12:38pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487640/police-urge-rainbow-community-to-report-threats-violence-in-wake-of-posie-parker-visit
  
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  April 10, 2023 12:53pm
- Inandout
  
  Wai, so Indian dairy owners should also report threats of violence and wait..and wait.
  
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  April 10, 2023 1:00pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Hiding behind their rainbow-tinted, highly-selective enforcement strategy.
  
  No critique of those officers and their bosses is too harsh. The testimony is clear. The video evidence is clear.
  
  Cowards, the bloody lot of them. Despicable failures in their basic, sworn duty.
  
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  April 10, 2023 1:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Police were hiding up a side street. They were helping TV make news by holding back. Cowards, but under orders from high up.
  
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  April 11, 2023 7:28am
Chuck Bird

I bet most of the trans would not pick on her unless in a pack.

Marjorie Taylor Greene: The 60 Minutes Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Atpt8B3sY
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April 10, 2023 12:50pm
NZer In Exile

Mike still not up? 😀
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April 10, 2023 1:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyone remember the puny little prick David Hogg. He went to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Yes he went there but not on the day of the mass shooting,
Well now that he has got off his bike and grown up, he is a leftie activist.
Guns, we can’t have guns! Hand in your guns!!

Well Gun Grabbing David Hogg Hits the Range.
https://thedailymojo.com/gun-grabbing-david-hogg-hits-the-range/

Seriously:

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1642672156843601920

Rules for thee, but not for me.
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April 10, 2023 2:37pm
Swifty

Deleted resurrection scene from 1977’s Jesus of Nazareth:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_rg3RhXv0

Got to say that Robert Powell made a damn fine Jesus.
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April 10, 2023 3:05pm
Ghost

Wtf

Dalai Lama kisses boy, asks him to ‘suck’ his tongue
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April 10, 2023 3:14pm
- Che Guava
  
  While once a darling of the luvvies, the Dalai Lama suffered a very noticeable drop in media adulation and a diminution in standing as a symbol of a persecuted minority ever since he stated that “Europe is for the Europeans” and that refugees should “go home and rebuild their own countries.”
  
  If he hadn’t so blatantly and publicly rejected this totem of liberal dogma, then he’d probably be as free to behave as publicly inappropriately towards children as Joe Biden or drag queens are, for instance.
  
  https://www.newsweek.com/dalai-lama-says-europe-europeans-refugees-should-go-home-and-rebuild-1120065
  
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  April 10, 2023 3:38pm
  - kowtow
    
    Gandhi bathed and slept with naked young wimmin .
    Progs still lurv him to bits.
    
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    April 10, 2023 4:42pm
Ghost

Today on The Hui, we’re with Prime Minister Chris Hipkins in a wide-ranging interview.

Host Julian Wilcox speaks with Hipkins about issues directly impacting Māori including Three Waters and a “sense of retrenchment” from Māori over the Government’s policies.

Monday’s episode of The Hui will begin at 4:30pm. Live stream
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- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/nanaia-mahuta-left-to-defend-three-waters-alone-for-too-long-chris-hipkins.html
  
  “He added many people who oppose Three Waters don’t understand the water infrastructure changes.
  
  Instead, the Prime Minister said they’ve “just heard the dog whistle racism that’s associated with it”.”
  
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  April 10, 2023 5:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    Deaf. People know what they plan to do with 3 waters and people don’t want it, yet is racism to reject the theft of council assets by the government…….
    
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    April 10, 2023 6:15pm
- DimChappie
  
  Highlights of Hipkins’ comments
  
  Repeating the link :
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEkxolMHVAc
  
  Poor Mahuta carried all the weight of 3/5 Waters for too long so he relieved her of it – she is an amazing foreign minister and we should be proud.
  Host urges Hipkins to hurry up and go ahead with 3/5 Waters as Maori are “ready to go” – PM raises the foreshore and seabed issue as a reason to proceed carefully and “take everyone along.”
  Accused of not defending racist Davidson and bullying Kiri Allan, he tells the audience he got the balance right by tut-tutting them.
  Overall impression: no way will he unwind 3/5 Waters and Co-Governance nonsense, he is captured.
  
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  April 10, 2023 6:14pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Thank you for watching (& summarising) so that I don’t have to
    
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    April 10, 2023 6:54pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/otago/131731881/armed-offenders-swarm-property-after-gunshot-heard-in-dunedin
Holy mackerel !
Armed Offenders are at large in Dunedin !
Better call the “Armed Offenders Squad” then ! You know, that elite police unit who deal with criminal armed offenders.
I despair of MSM reporters, editors and all the rest of their colleagues.
They speak a different language at times.
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April 10, 2023 4:58pm
Dave

Peter Winsley has another must-read post, this time on the continuing under-the-radar implementation of he puapua’s agenda.

https://winsleys.wordpress.com/2023/04/08/he-puapua-is-being-implemented-however-all-is-not-lost/
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April 10, 2023 5:10pm
Chuck Bird

This is worth almost an hour’s watch. It is about the vaccine and freedom of speech.

https://www.oliviapierson.org/blog/silenced-a-documentary-for-new-zealand
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April 10, 2023 5:23pm
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  Thank you. That video is excellent.
  
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