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Yvette

The Disinformation Project has once again hit the news, this time by making the absurd claim that, in the aftermath of Kellie-Jay Keen’s visit to New Zealand, the trans-community has been subject to “genocidal” vitriol
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The Disinformation Project has now entered the transgender debate by making highly exaggerated claims about the level of abuse that the transgender community has faced since Kellie-Jay Keen’s visit to New Zealand. As everyone knows, transgenderism is a highly politicised issue with strong opinions on both sides. By joining the discussion as it has, it has demonstrated that it is only interested in censorship and promoting the progressive left’s political ideology. – Thomas Cranmer’s Substack
https://cranmer.substack.com/p/from-academic-research-to-news-headlines?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

So, Who funds ‘The Disinformation Project” – and why?
And does ‘The Disinformation Project” actually disseminate mis- and dis-information?
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April 12, 2023 8:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  They are an offshoot of Te Punaha Matitini. TPM have received many millions in funding from the government since the start of covid.
  Undoubtedly the money comes indirectly from the government. Though I do know that The Wellcome Trust also put money into Auckland University as does the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
  
  Follow the money.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:06am
  - Jack5
    
    ClanMcLeod’s …Undoubtedly the money comes indirectly from the government.
    
    Not too indirectly.
    
    The Disinformation Project is part of the Auckland research centre, Te Punaha Matatini, famed for Siouxie Wiles and Shaun Hendy over Covid. Hendy was the founder of the centre and its first director.
    
    The Tertiary Education Commission, a Crown agency, has promised Te Punaha Matatini $4 million a year until the end of 2028. The State-owned University of Auckland provides Te Punaha Matatini with accommodation.
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:35am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Jack5 – how incestuous.
      
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      April 12, 2023 11:04am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Bryce Edwards has done an excellent article. Looks like disinformation project was funded by the prime ministers office. https://democracyproject.nz/2023/04/12/bryce-edwards-the-need-to-take-disinformation-seriously/
    
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    April 13, 2023 8:48pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  On the face of it co-governance a sharing of power sounds benign. But in the case of NZ its not. Its dangerous and also a breach of international law.
  Take Health the first cab off the co-governance rank. The Maori Health Authority will have a right of veto over the funding for the Non-Maori Health Authority.
  This means that rather than universal funding as at present, funding will be decided on the basis of race.
  As I have posted before this is a breach of Article 7 of the UN Declaration on Human Rights ironic given NZ has always followed UN dictates.
  The same will apply to Education and other Government services. Rather than recieving services based on need it will be based on race. This is both racist and apartheid ironic given this country campaigned against South Africa for decades for doing the same thing.
  The only way to stop this racism is for KBers to spread the word. The paid for MSM wont.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:15am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Try taking the government to court?
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:33am
  - Grunter
    
    You can also encourage as many people as possible to record their ethnicity on MyHealth records as ‘NZ-Maori”. Even if you’re not Maori why wouldn’t you? No proof needed, just change it.
    If everyone identifies as a Maori then we all get treated the same. And don’t feel guilty in doing it – we didn’t make up these silly racist rules!!
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the researchers at the Disinformation Project are way out of their depth.
  
  Dr Hattotuwa in discussing the online hatred directed to the Trans community stated that there was an “extremely strong correlation” between online hate and the possibility of violence.
  
  He’s expressed his view as if it is based on some correlation analysis.
  
  A strong correlation between 2 variables is usually confirmed if the correlation coefficient (r) is around 0.7; and a very strong correlation between 2 variables would indicate r is around 0.9.
  
  So how did Dr Hattutowa establish that there was an extremely strong correlation between his 2 variables (incidence of online hate, possibility of violence)?
  
  How can you measure the frequency of something that may or may not happen sometime in the future?
  
  I smell bullshit.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maggy – he’s a Government propagandist. As is Kate Hannah. The good news is, they are shit at their job. Almost as bad as the NZ mainstream media.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:08am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maggy – you might enjoy this in depth look at the whole seemingly cultish movement. El gato malo does a superb job.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/woke-addiction-drugs-and-cults-are
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:27am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The level of vitriol directed at the freaks and weirdos is not because they’re freaks and weirdos – like most people I couldn’t give a crap what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.
  
  It is the way they violently attacked women, assaulted them, shut them down, and then claimed victim status. Stop negating women, stop grooming kids, stop shouting down and attacking people with different views and opinions, and leave me the hell alone.
  
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  April 12, 2023 10:04am
  - Che Guava
    
    “I couldn’t give a crap what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.”
    
    I remember when this was the argument for gay marriage – that spilled out of people’s bedrooms and into all facets of society very very quickly didn’t it?
    
    How about taking an attitude that some things are right, and some things are wrong, in this case the concept of transgenderism, which aside from being immoral is also physically impossible. When nobody has any standards and accepts anything, then this will be the result. It amazes me that so many people don’t notice this pattern, but love to complain when the consequences manifest themselves.
    
    “..leave me the hell alone.”
    
    Sorry, but they have no intention whatsoever of leaving you alone.
    
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    April 12, 2023 12:24pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That was never an argument for gay marriage, and is a complete non-sequitur.
      
      You can take whatever attitude you wish, but I’d prefer it if you didn’t tell me what attitudes I should take. Cheers
      
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      April 12, 2023 3:50pm
- Philview
  
  I feel I have finally reached a point of understanding what is happening in New Zealand. The current Government is immersed in an ideology called intersectionalism which views society as made up of distinct groups which are either victims or dominant. The Government is funding the media to promote the victim groups and also organisations like the Disinformation Project to attack critics of the ideology and provide a protective umbrella around the victim groups. The Government with its abusive reaction to followers of Posie Parker has exhibited hatred towards the citizens of New Zealand who they see as dominant. I hate to think where this could end up and really hope this Government is voted out this year.
  
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  April 12, 2023 11:26am
  - leoj
    
    Hope might not be enough.
    
    Look at the opposition parties, especially the Nats.
    
    They are looking very weak.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:46am
    - Che Guava
      
      Totally. When you eschew firm principles and instead adopt a “live and let live” approach to politics, and you are faced with ideological commitment by your opponent, then you will be inevitably ground into the dirt.
      
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      April 12, 2023 12:28pm
  - Scooter
    
    It’s call Divide and Rule
    
    the policy of maintaining control over one’s subordinates or opponents by encouraging dissent between them, thereby preventing them from uniting in opposition.
    “the politics of divide and rule in society”
    
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    April 12, 2023 7:06pm
Simon

At this point iwis are nothing more than state backed mafia style operations. The corruption, grift and shake downs.
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April 12, 2023 8:10am
- RoboRob
  
  Amazing how strong Iwi cultural traditions suddenly disappear and sacred land becomes a building site, simply by providing enough money. Brown mail
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “koha”
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:11am
    - CJames
      
      Plus they also have to “gift” a name in exchange for recompense.
      
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      April 12, 2023 11:10am
  - Ruawai
    
    Do you think in the future anywhere Maori people currently have electric ovens in their kitchens will become sacred and be unable to be built on?
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:48am
- Keith White
  
  To be fair, if you paid the Mafia protection money, you got protected. We just get extorted by the Maorifia and get no protection.
  
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  April 12, 2023 12:53pm
Ehlana

Good morning Kiwibloggers.

Tonight is Yuri’s Night, celebrating Yuri Gargarin, the first human in space, 62 years ago today.
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April 12, 2023 8:11am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Fun fact: it was not until after the collapse of the USSR that it was revealed that Gargarin had actually ejected from his spacecraft before it landed.
  
  The reason for that approach was that the Soviet engineers were not entirely sure about their landing rocket system that fires about 3m off the ground to cushion the impact.
  
  The reason why they didn’t reveal it was that the manned flight records of the day – regarding altitude, speed, etc (which would soon be rendered meaningless by spaceflight anyway) – required the pilot to remain with his vehicle from takeoff to touchdown.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:16am
- KH
  
  Ahh, the wonder from growing up during the space race. Magnificent. Before I grew up a bit and learned there was such a thing called politics.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:32am
- Random T Person
  
  Dude’s a real space cadet.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:45am
- All_on_Red
  
  Yuri would be excited to see Space X launch Starship this coming Tuesday
  https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/04/spacexs-starship-vehicle-is-ready-to-fly-just-waiting-for-a-launch-license/
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  How far would they have got without the kidnapped German scientists .
  
  The lucky ones were kidnapped by the Yanks.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:57am
  - Jack5
    
    Konstantin Tsiolkovsky was a well known Russian rocket scientist well ahead of the end of World War 2, and Robert Goddard was at least similar in the United States.
    
    War’s acceleration of innovation and Hitler’s ruthless use of slaves and semi-slaves enabled von Braun to get his V2’s firing on London. Rockets were Hitler’s last hope.
    
    The intense pressure of looming defeat propelled the whole German aviation industry forward. Famed British test pilot, Eric Brown, who tested German aircraft immediately the war ended, was among those who concluded the Germans were far ahead of the Allies in aircraft technology.
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:54am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      who concluded the Germans were far ahead of the Allies in aircraft technology.
      
      Jet fighters, swept wing studies etc. Advanced tech, sure.
      
      But in terms of deployable, industrial technology they were behind, with the P-51 Mustang easily as good as any German fighter (certainly better than ME-109) and the Germans never developing a 4-engined, long-range bomber and still relying on the obsolete Stuka for ground-attack at wars end while Typhoons, Tempests, Mosquitos and other types poured down on German ground units.
      
      Also, for all the other advanced tech their radar and bombsights were never as good as the Allies.
      
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      April 12, 2023 11:34am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Tom, although the Germans did not have the aircraft, they had the technological design and engineering expertise. So much so, that many German scientists and engineers were expatriates to the US. Many worked on military rocket programmes and were part of the US space programme.
        
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        April 12, 2023 1:45pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        True Hull, but remember that the plane that broke the sound barrier, the Bell X-1 was a US designed plane from 1944-45 that never got any benefit even from German data, let alone design, and its rockets were also all-American.
        
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        April 12, 2023 5:03pm
Warren

Does our Prime Minister Chris Hipkins think the population of New Zealand are stupid with his blatant lies on Nanaia Muhuta and Three Waters.
Labour have changed the name on the Three Waters Legislation but they can’t change the stench of corruption that is linked to Three Waters .
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April 12, 2023 8:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Apparently their great plan to win us over was leaked, there will simply be 10 entities at a much larger cost, but we still taking your assets
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:02am
  - pdm
    
    G – don’t you mean:
    
    `Stealing and Privatising YOUR ASSETS.’
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Taking assets which are owned by rate payers is stealing I would have thought 😃👍🏻
      
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      April 12, 2023 9:17am
    - hullkiwi
      
      What G really means they will still steal paid for local assets, but instead of 4 regional bodies co-governed by iwi, there will 10 bodies co-governed by iwi. Just means the Maori elite will (apparently) use a number of corporate structures to do what they were originally going to do. Control NZ’s water assets and still make all consumers pay for the privilege of the ownership by Maori.
      
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      April 12, 2023 9:56am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        If I understand 5 waters it goes something like this. We the government borrow millions of dollars to buy assets the public already own to gift fifty percent to 17 percent of the population based on ethnicity who as equal members of the population already own them in the same way as the rest of us. Seems ligit.
        Why can’t the government just fund those councils that need the help and leave everything as is. Unless of course cleaning up the water systems isn’t what the purpose of the exercise is and rather it’s the Labour Party trying to make amends to the Māori hierarchy for failing to deliver foreshore and seabed. Because hey don’t worry about what the majority of stake holders want worry about the Labour Party and it’s Māori support.
        
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        April 12, 2023 10:52am
    - NothingLeft
      
      And National should announce now that any legislated change in ownership will be cancelled immediately after election without compensation to any affected parties.
      
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      April 12, 2023 2:37pm
    - JeffW
      
      Privatisation would seem to infer a sale. But no sale is intended, just confiscation. I would be happy with privatisation with local governments overlooking performance.
      
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      April 12, 2023 2:47pm
  - Bob
    
    10 entities…
    Not surprising really, the Mahuta family is rather large, and each member expects a Directorship in the Waters Scam!
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:07am
- RoboRob
  
  But but but, its the ‘affordable water blah blah blah act’ now. Its really good cause we put affordable in the name.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:07am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Really, how does adding more fragmented bureaucracy make something “magically” affordable.
    
    We are talking about a Liebore scheme here, so by definition the use of the word is an oxymoron!
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:59am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      The idea that some “economies of scale” (whatever they could possibly be, they’ve never given examples) are going to save ratepayers money at the same time as creating multiple bureaucracies and the “thousands of jobs” that Mahuta claimed is just a nonsense. Quite how they chose Scotland as a model for water services delivery in New Zealand isn’t clear either, ending up with the Water Industry Commission for Scotland seems like you’ve had to go a long way and do a lot of shopping around to find someone who will write the report you want to receive
      
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      April 12, 2023 3:27pm
- bjools
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/hospital-beds
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-lags-in-hospital-bed-numbers-oecd-shows/II2N5QWL5K55BWSPHPAAKEIDSQ/
  Note :
  2.8 per 1000 in 2012
  2.57 per 1000 now
  Considering covid, I would have thought, increasing this number would have been a high priority.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:24am
  - bjools
    
    Doing the maths
    we have LOST between 800 and 1000 hospital beds.
    Mostly down to this incompetent clown show of a govt.
    Yet Hipkins, just today stood there (when asked) “I believe that the hospital system is better now than 3 years ago”
    More lies.
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:29am
    - Cinematic
      
      Its irrelevant what the fool believes.
      
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      April 12, 2023 10:38am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Fewer beds supports screeching (of the type Ardern was famous for) that “the Heath System will Become Overwhelmed™” thereby inviting annexation of civil liberties and removal of bodily autonomy.
    
    And if that wasn’t bad enough, come late October our government will be bound to the new WHO pandemic treaty that allows the WHO to arbitrarily declare some kind of claimed or possible pandemic, and then direct our national response.
    
    While New Zealand’s national health care has rotted on the vine, global health care has metastasized into a totalitarian construct … which our leaders have agreed to be subject to.
    
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    April 12, 2023 2:46pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Does our Prime Minister Chris Hipkins think the population of New Zealand are stupid’
  
  The polling says they are.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:58am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    And if you don’t believe Kowtow, have a look at the viewing figures for TVNZ news.
    It will bring a tear to a glass eye.
    
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    April 12, 2023 1:27pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Does our Prime Minister Chris Hipkins think the population of New Zealand are stupid with his blatant lies….
  
  As has been pointed out before, the last five years, and the last three in particular, would give him every reason for thinking so.
  
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  April 12, 2023 11:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I bet Area 4 doesn’t change one iota.
  
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  April 12, 2023 12:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Can anyone decipher what is going on with our Government and NATO?

Can anyone interpret Foreign Minister Mahuta”s word soup for me?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018885722/prime-minister-invited-to-nato-leaders-summit
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April 12, 2023 8:12am
- Drone
  
  @MW can a Kiwiblogger with multi lingual skills produce a transcript of this famous speech on the world stage by the eminent Mahuta.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:19am
- septic skeptic
  
  No, sorry but I can’t help you with that one.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:28am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Simple
  
  Russia and China are best buddies for always!!! and a combined Russia/China has to be contained.
  
  It is contained to the West by Nato but nothing to the East apart from individual treaties.
  
  It is obvious that they want to bring back and larger version of SEATO which will include the Philippines, Japan and Indonesia. Maybe Taiwan.
  
  China must be held within the First Island Chain otherwise we have a remake of the Pacific War with the Allies “Island Hopping” or having to fight up through PNG and Philippines.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:28am
  - Grunter
    
    fightingtemeraire – It’s not the 1940’s anymore, so any war between USA & China/Russia will go nuclear reasonably quickly. None of these ‘super powers’ have the ability to invade and conquere (US has lost every war it has fought since WW2 – couldn’t even beat Afghanistan).
    Let’s hope enough countries don’t get sucked into the US warmongering narrative and somehow they pull their head in.
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:20am
    - Che Guava
      
      Agree. Even assuming they actually had any plans to expand, I wonder why “a combined Russia/China has to be contained.” Presumably so the United States can retain its (quickly disintegrating) global hegemony. Isn’t that a “them problem”?
      
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      April 12, 2023 12:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    FT
    
    This might be of interest , from interest.co
    
    ‘By building up the notion of the Indo-Pacific as a critical region, Abe Shinzō, the late Japanese prime minister, created a strategic framework that presaged the geopolitical and economic integration now taking place across Asia and parts of Africa. As South Asian and Middle Eastern countries merge into West Asia, a new continental order could reshape the global balance of power.’
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/banking/120701/mohammed-soliman-traces-broad-indo-pacific-region%E2%80%99s-growing-integration-vision-abe
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:01am
  - Bob
    
    SEATO provided a security umbrella for a lot of effectively third world nations in the Asia Pacific region; until SEATO was effectively defanged.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:35am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Security” from what?
      
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      April 12, 2023 12:36pm
- greybeard
  
  As I see it Hipkins has only one option and that is to attend the meeting.
  To not do so would be (a) a slap in the face for our allies and (b) a signal to China and Russia that we are here for the plucking.
  I simply do not understand why he is prevaricating.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:32am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @greybeard-
    If Mr Hipkins does go to this meeting, I hope no one asks him “What is an ally?”
    There would be a lot of silence , uumming and aahhing about that one too.
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:12am
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s interesting how the Climate Change narrative has totally overwhelmed the nuclear holocaust narrative from the 70s and 80s.
      Now a war between NATO and Russia only provokes a yawn.
      
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      April 12, 2023 9:18am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I was thinking the same thing myself just yesterday.
        
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        April 12, 2023 10:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He will answer with ’16 marbles with numbers in a leather bottle, used for sudden death – kelly pool’
      
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      April 12, 2023 9:43am
  - pdm
    
    Greyb – not sure Hipkins is noted for his Courage Under Fire.
    
    He will stay in New Zealand.
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:17am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Am I the only one who thinks that the Chipster has been promoted way beyond his pay grade?
      He’s no international statesman.
      
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      April 12, 2023 9:59am
    - hullkiwi
      
      He is the PM, he is meant to represent NZ, and be appropriately briefed (that does not mean having a pre-prepared line written by a woke member of his office).
      
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      April 12, 2023 10:09am
  - Grunter
    
    So if Hipkins goes to a NATO meeting that will be enough to scare off the Chinese and Russians……? Really? How?
    It will definitely make our largest trading partner grumpy at the very least.
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:22am
  - Paulus
    
    He can use AirForceOne now that following Ardern has had it cleaned inside as well.
    I hope it does not break down en route to Lithuania as well it also goes very close to Russia and Belorussia.
    Nappies still smell probably.
    Who will go with Chippie ?
    
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    April 12, 2023 1:58pm
- pdm
  
  Maggy – I see Mahuta talked to NATO about that mythical place Aotearoa and not New Zealand. No wonder no one can understand what she said.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:35am
  - Lee C
    
    It’s a strateic consideration. Imagine all those Chinese military types scratching their heads as they try to locate us on a map….
    
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    April 12, 2023 8:37am
    - I remember when
      
      It’s a lot easier to muddy the water when there aren’t firm explanations as to what the end-game is.
      No nasty financial details, time lines, failure to achieve targets.
      No, Maori place names, co-governance, hate speech, disinformation, misinformation, extreme right-wing, gender, seem like the best strategy.
      
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      April 12, 2023 8:53am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    It is very stupid. “New Zealand” has international recognition. Using “Aotearoa” in serious international fora will undermine that recognition.
    
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    April 12, 2023 8:47am
    - Bob
      
      Aotearoa will not appear on any maps used by the first world, of which we are no longer a part, and I don’t see these nations reissuing maps with goobly -gook names just to appease the Maori party
      
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      April 12, 2023 11:40am
      - Jack5
        
        And “ao” as an internet country domain has already gone: it stands for Angola, a large country, which though poor has promising mineral resources, including diamonds, iron ore, oil, gas, and phosphate.
        
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  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just hope she is not giving away ‘koha’
    Trouble is, we will I think.
    NATO, North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. R. T. Rower is in the North Atlantic?
    Well I never.
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:54am
- Clyde
  
  In terms of interpreting Mahuta – it is nothing but word soup. She is devoid of any interest in anything other than extending her control of domestic assets for the betterment of those close to her and her word soup simply reflects her lack of knowledge, interest and intellect. Wonder if anyone from MahutaCorp has been appointed to any high ranking spots in any diplomatic positions overseas during her tenure as Foreign Minister. Nothing like looking after your own after all and she has a record of ensuring close family members are now sucking on the Government teat as hard as they can within New Zealand.
  
  Hipkins must go to Lithuania, but the Marxist nonsense going on in the background will be driving his hesitancy.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:36am
- Nickc2
  
  NATO and America in particular are trying to ascertain who is for it and who is against it.
  I don’t think Hipkins will attend. He wouldn’t dare leave the country in case he’s rolled in his absence.
  Anyone fancy a Willie Jackson and Nanaia Mahuta combo?
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    [Mod – please Steve stop posting this link everywhere]
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Please, a partnership made in political heaven for all parties. Add to it the out of control, unapologetic Marama then Liebore & Greens will be in a proper tailspin.
    
    All of that will provide an interesting set of possibilities….
    
    Potential beneficiaries are all other parties (including NZF). While the Maoris, Labour & the Greens squabble about which is offering the most pure form of Maori politics.
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:18am
- Grunter
  
  Just prepping for WW3. NATO/USA shoring up their allies before they take a decent swipe at Russia (the biggest nuclear-armed country) and China (our biggest trade partner).
  
  This is all a bit too complicated for Mahoota’s brain. So long as she gets to talk about indigenous people then everything is fine.
  
  This is such a cluster
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:44am
  - hullkiwi
    
    You are 5 decades out of date.
    
    The biggest problem we have (even with sleepy Joe) is none of the political leaders understand or appreciate what a real WW is, especially when you have people like Putin who is happy to use nukes as some sort of bargaining chip.
    
    Despite all the hype of scientists and their Doomsday clock, the closest the world cam to a real Nuke war was Cuba. Thereafter, it was the doctrine of mutually assured annihilation.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:03am
    - Grunter
      
      hullkiwi – For what its worth, I think you’ll find that the Doomsday clock is at it’s closest to midnight right now (so it is worse than the Cuban crisis). It is 90 seconds to catastrophe.
      
      These clowns (Biden, Blinken, Zelenskyy, the entire EU, where do I stop….??) seem intent on war and ‘poking the bear’ that has big nukes. An unwinnable war no matter who started what. Blinken keeps saying things like “we have to take Putin out”. It’s such ridiculous nonsense and if the US did that then what are the Ruskies going to do?? They will start pushing big red buttons. It’s just nuts!
      
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      April 12, 2023 2:13pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  We are “to continue to engage with regional architecture” which I guess means talking to buildings?
  
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  April 12, 2023 10:07am
Nickc2

Why is the PM not being asked how Maorification is going to solve any problems (actual or perceived) NZ has with regard to Water services (supply, distribution, and disposal)?
He was on TV yesterday making excuses for Nanaia Mahuta and the vitriol directed at her whilst legislating for 3Waters. He is now in a position where he can remove her from the job, scrap the legislation, and return all assets to their rightful owners, but he won’t.
A pox on all concerned.
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April 12, 2023 8:15am
- cmm
  
  Rinse and repeat for Maorification of all the other government structures: health, Reserve Bank, …
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:03am
- RoboRob
  
  Not only does Maorification not fix actual problems, I would argue it actual makes things worse for ‘normal’ Maori and all non Maori.
  
  I dont understand how segregation in South Africa and the USA was so bad yet academics and lefties seem hell bent on creating a two strata country here.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:10am
  - Keith White
    
    “This time we are going to do apartheid properly”.
    
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    April 12, 2023 12:56pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I feel sure there are many in the current Govt who protested/rioted against Aphartite during the Springbok Rugby team visit in 1981.
      That said, why is this Govt so intent on trying to implement a system in NZ that they previously protested/rioted against?
      Fuckin hypocrites!
      
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      April 12, 2023 3:02pm
Paulus

Is our brave new Prime Minister going to the top NATO summit meeting in Lithuania shortly ?
Jacinda would have jumped at the opportunity to tell the World how wonderful she is.
Will little fella go, and will he go to the Coronation or leave this to our Ambassador Goff ?
Dare he leave the Country as it is at present, in shock, – he may get rolled – remember which lady is Deputy for now.
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April 12, 2023 8:22am
Simon

Should NZ end its satellite of GAE status and move to becoming a vassal of China?

As a vassal of China no more man climate change fraud, directives from China instead of WEF/UN. Economic prosperity as a vassal of China. No more wokeness.
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April 12, 2023 8:25am
- Ruawai
  
  Russians and Chinese for all their faults can probably define a woman more succinctly and factually than Hipkins.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:22am
- Ignoranus
  
  (London School of Economics)
  https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/explainers/how-is-china-tackling-climate-change/
  “China’s climate change strategy has evolved significantly over the last decade and in September 2020 China’s president Xi Jinping announced that the country would aim to be carbon-neutral by 2060. [continues]
  
  “China is increasingly recognising its vulnerability to climate change – it faces threats from sea level rise, severe weather events and melting glaciers.” [continues]
  
  Climate denialism is a religion – the triumph of wishful thinking over a frightening reality.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:49am
  - Matt Long
    
    The more coal plants they build, the more climate neutral they will be.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:47am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Back in the 1960’s you believed all those Soviet Five Year Plans too, didn’t you?
    
    Goldman Sachs, describes the utter futility of “green” energy:
    
    Here’s a stat for you, as of January of this year. At the end of last year, overall, fossil fuels represented 81 percent of overall energy consumption. Ten years ago, they were at 82. So though, all of that investment in renewables, you’re talking about $3.8 trillion – let me repeat that $3.8 trillion of investment in renewables – moved fossil fuel consumption from 82 to 81 percent, of the overall energy consumption. But you know, given the recent events and what’s happened with the loss of gas and replacing it with coal, that number is likely above 82.
    
    The net of it is clearly we haven’t made any progress.
    
    China is building an average of two new coal-fired power stations per month according to GreenPeace, as it has been for years, which is why its coal consumption has relentlessly increased for two decades. They approved 106 gigawatts of new coal power projects in 2022 alone, more than quadrupling the 23 gigawatts approved in 2021 and sextupling the increases planned by the rest of the world combined, according to an analysis from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air.
    
    They’ve also produced more CO2 in the last decade than Britain has since the start of the Industrial Revolution.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:48am
- kowtow
  
  I suspect much of your post is tongue in cheek.
  
  There will never be true prosperity when a whole society , nation , economy is dependent on the whim of one man or an authoritarian , private property despising philosophy.
  
  At the moment , and for some time now , the richest , smartest from there have been getting their assets out .
  
  What does that tell ya.
  
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  April 12, 2023 10:11am
7kiwi11

Did Chippie even realize that he was throwing Jacinda under the bus by saying that Mahuta shouldn’t have been left to promote and push forward 3 Waters by herself.
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April 12, 2023 8:27am
- artemisia
  
  And anyway people were being so mean to Minister Mahuta, and it was just not fair.
  
  So we’ll cancel the Three Waters brand, and hope she will be left alone.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:26am
- kowtow
  
  yer and he was wrong about her being on her own .
  
  Jackson was with her as was the whole of the legacy te media pardy .
  
  The disinformation and misinformation from them is extreme as they constantly make the false , disgusting and inflamatory claim against folk who love democracy as being “racist”.
  
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  April 12, 2023 10:14am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131736319/thousands-more-receive-cost-of-living-payment-as-tax-returns-processed
For those of you who are puzzled as to why Labour and their pals are still doing well in the polls – here it is.
They will bribe their way to victory in the election.
No undecided voter will risk losing gifts of extra money from the Labour Party.
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April 12, 2023 8:31am
- peterwn
  
  About 22,000 people are affected. As far as I can see these are people who (or their accountants) are required to file IR3 tax forms (self employed, own rental property or investments etc), and who had to claim the cost of living payment but failed to do so. They may not have realised they were entitled to it. Eligible people who do not need to file IR3’s but where IRD knows their bank account number would have received the payment automatically since IRD would know if they were entitled based on PAYE information supplied by employers and WINZ.
  So it is not as if the Government has decided to make these payments to more people.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:01am
- Handyman
  
  There was a recent government (Labour Party?) ad with Hipkins congratulating the Party on the biggest ever increase to benefits.
  How disingenuous! The increase was an automatic adjustment based on the inflation which was driven up by the Labour party. The media did their part by asking people they will spend this extra largesse from the new Prime Minister (as if it was his gift).
  
  Labour have worked out ages ago that they do not have to worry about policy, performance or deliverables as long as they control the message. Hence Willie Jackson was pleased to confirm that TVNZ are “working with us” after getting rid of ex National MP as CEO.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:12am
  - Ghost
    
    What will they spend it on, he’ll i’d think most have already lost it to the rising cost of living, rents, etc
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:22am
- Ruawai
  
  My money!
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:22am
Matt Long

It’s true!!!!
AI is going to take away journalists jobs!!!
It’s already making up fake sexual harassment stories against conservatives.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chatgpt-falsely-accuses-jonathan-turley-sexual-harassment-concocts-fake-wapo-story-support-allegation
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April 12, 2023 8:32am
Frank the tank

Remember folks – despite CovidCult still existing in New Zimbabwe there is one truism:

“If you don’t test for covid, you can’t contract covid”
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April 12, 2023 8:33am
Ehlana

It’s a brain teaser, Maggie, to keep older minds active. I think she’s saying we should participate in international forums so that we can make our interests and opinions known.
Apparently, the war in Ukraine has made the world realise that war has impacts beyond its immediate theatre, even affecting our part of the world.
Also, it seems that Ukraine has been able to defend itself thanks to international support and we need to appreciate this as a change in global dynamics.

It’s possible you realised international forums were for the exchange of ideas and opinions when you got old enough to pay attention to the news a few years ago. You may have learned that war far away can affect New Zealand when you were taken to visit any War Memorial on ANZAC day as a young girl.
That the international support Ukraine has received represents a change in global dynamics is would be more surprising if you were old enough to remember previous international alliances for war. But patience, one day you too will reach that glorious age.
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April 12, 2023 8:43am
I remember when

CEO triggers Coast council coup: Newsroom.
Further details have been revealed into the voting out of West Coast Regional Council chairman, Allan Birchfield, last month.
They must be on the brink of having to have a commissioner appointed.
Obviously the council are facing financial pressures and probably reflecting the difficulties smaller councils have with getting, and retaining, experienced staff.
More to come?
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April 12, 2023 8:43am
- Paulus
  
  Look at the Mahuta disaster in appointing Commissioners to Tauranga.
  It CBD is a building site and no parking, and wonder why nobody goes there.
  New Council Offices, Maori Museum and Special Meeting Place, and a new Librbary, which has already been moved once.
  
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  April 12, 2023 2:05pm
Rusty

In light of China flexing its military strength by encroaching on Taiwan’s air space and sea zones — can someone remind me if NZ has its own off zone limits to foreign military powers?

And if we do, then how is it protected?

Our pacifist Labour govt under Helen Clark decided to disband the strike wing of our NZ air force of 18 Skyhawks in the early 2000’s because they believed it was a waste of money and no rogue/thug nation would ever cause trouble in the pacific.

How shortsighted and naive was Helen Clark on this matter considering what’s happening now!
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April 12, 2023 8:44am
- MCōs
  
  What!
  Do you think we should have hung onto those vastly out of date Skyhawks?
  They are more than fifty years old.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:32am
  - Rusty
    
    @MCos – our strike wing could have been upgraded in the 2000’s like our 50 year old Orions –though they still break down!
    
    We will never know now.
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:02am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    No, they shouldn’t have kept them MCos, they should have been replaced with F15’s or 16’s. Sorted for you. Clarke was so short sighted with regard to anything military, a star nosed mole could see further than her.
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:21am
  - Sideoiler
    
    What!
    Do you think we should have hung onto those vastly out of date Skyhawks?
    They are more than fifty years old.
    
    No! we should have leased the F16’s we were offered at the fire sale rate.
    
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    April 12, 2023 10:51am
  - Don Beckett
    
    The National govt. had a very good deal on the table with the USA to provide F.16’s to replace the skyhawks – and although they were old, they are still a very good versatile military aircraft.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:10am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Don Beckett -as per my reply to MCōs, they wouldn’t last an hour. Modern missile technology means this stuff is outdated very quickly.
      
      Top Gun 2 was fun, when Cruise takes out a couple of 5th generation Migs with an F14? Yeah nah.
      But grab the popcorn and suspend belief. It’s a great movie.
      
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      April 12, 2023 11:24am
    - mawm
      
      I think that the loss of trained pilots and technicians is the big problem. To get it restarted is unaffordable; conversion to new planes is not. We lost the institutional knowledge that gets passed on from generation of pilot/technician to generation. Add to that the training with our closest allies that ensures communication and procedures already there when needed.
      
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      April 12, 2023 6:46pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – I have to agree. If there was ever a conflict they would be lucky to last an hour in the air. ALL of them.
    
    Just have a look at Ukraine. Whatever your position on the conflict. They have zero air cover. Their stuff is relatively new compared to the toy Skyhawks. But the Russian planes and AA defences are far more up to date.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:14am
  - hullkiwi
    
    At the time, because of the age and problems keeping the Skyhawks in the air, there were plans to replace them with F16s.
    
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    April 12, 2023 11:29am
    - Bob
      
      The F16’s had been ordered, Clark spent the Defence allotment on useless LAV’s.
      
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      April 12, 2023 11:47am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I know but how long ago was that and how could we afford to upgrade them? That stuff is designed for smaller countries and regional conflicts.
      The big boys like the USA, China and Russia aren’t going to give their best shit to anyone. If we wanted air defence against China it won’t be aircraft.
      
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      April 12, 2023 2:56pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Clan, it is now 24 years. We ended up with the LAVs and the sell off of Hobsonville Point.
        
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        April 12, 2023 9:21pm
- Bob
  
  Comrade Clarke was responding to directives from the same ‘friend’, that Adern telephoned about ‘lockdowns’
  
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  April 12, 2023 11:46am
Tony Stuart

So Cabinet is now 50% comprised of women, although that probably depends on who Chris Hipkins defines as a woman.

But wouldn’t it be nice if, instead of focusing on a quota, the Labour Cabinet was 100% competent?
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April 12, 2023 8:47am
- Matt Long
  
  Even ten percent competent would be great Tony.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:52am
  - RoboRob
    
    They can only do what they can do with the dross selected by the labour party.
    
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    April 12, 2023 8:54am
- pdm
  
  `But wouldn’t it be nice if, instead of focusing on a quota, the Labour Cabinet was 100% competent?’
  
  Not going to happen with this lot Inv. Even the 10% Matt suggests would be a bonus.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:20am
- Ehlana
  
  And the media are focused on asking Chris Luxon about the diversity of a National cabinet.
  
  I’d have been tempted to say that we have “moved on” from diversity and now focus on competence and integrity. Though perhaps Chris Hipkins would have trouble defining those too.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:32am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Or just explain that the Nat cabinet collectively self identifies as 50% female, 50% Maori, 50% trans, 50% gay and 50% disabled.
    
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    April 12, 2023 9:53am
    - Ehlana
      
      Surely we should all self-identify as 50% female? Don’t we get half our genes from our mothers and the other half from our fathers?
      
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      April 12, 2023 10:31am
- Ruawai
  
  How would Hipkins even know who the women are, is he assuming?
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:33am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  If all the Labour MP’s were put in a locked room and given the key, after forming a variety of committees, they would come up with a plan to get out that wouldn’t work.
  
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  April 12, 2023 10:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony, I was going to post something similar. Chipkins has achieved it by promoting the likes of Willow-Jean Prime to cabinet.
  
  She is such an anonymous politician, I have no idea what her background/CV is, what has she done in 5 years as a MP.
  
  All I can add, her reputation in her seat is such that she is referred to by her Northland constituents as Kelvin’s (he of the Witless Protection Programme) secretary & bag carrier.
  
  Some reputation.
  
  PS. What has happened to Kelvin these days?
  
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  April 12, 2023 11:40am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hard to believe that Willow Jean Prime is better than the 30-odd Labour MPs who have not made it into Cabinet.
    
    The alternative is terrifying.
    
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    April 12, 2023 12:58pm
  - jon
    
    Is Kelvin that chap who is deputy leader of the Labour party but isnt competent to be DPM?
    
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    April 12, 2023 3:02pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Is he still Deputy Leader of the Liebore Party?
      
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      April 12, 2023 9:23pm
- Paulus
  
  At this rate Labour Party after the election will be well over 50% of the female persons as they will have so few MPs.
  Currently we appear that we are now run by ladies (assuming our PM knows what that is) being the best persons for the jobs at huge salaries.
  This appears so often now on the the media as the CEO if you are an Australian New Zealand Bank Manager something like $4 million a year and so many catching up.
  Watch the media carefully and you will see what I mean.
  
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  April 12, 2023 2:11pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I don’t want competent socialists. But there is a distinct likelihood that we’ll get some in October.
  
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  April 12, 2023 2:53pm
oldpark

A 1 News–Colmar Brunton poll in September 2021 found that 58% of respondents wanted to keep the name “New Zealand”, 9% wanted to change the name to “Aotearoa”, and 31% wanted the joint name of “Aotearoa New Zealand”.[38] A January 2023 Newshub-Reid Research poll, showed a slight increase in support for the name “Aotearoa”, with 36.2% wanting ‘Aotearoa New Zealand”, 9.6% “Aotearoa” only, and 52% wanting to keep “New Zealand” only. [39] Wonder has the laughing stock “Stuff” news outlet read this latest update .
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April 12, 2023 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Only shows that “Stuff” and RNZ/TVNZ need to double down on their efforts to convince us all to rename our country.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:05am
- I remember when
  
  We should double the length of our name, let’s call it Aotearoa New Zealand – how would we shorten it for regular use?
  The steady drip, drip, drip, of the media has
  reduced the difference between the options to 6%, plus 2% don’t know.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:20am
  - Paulus
    
    For a while it was Aotearoa New Zealand but understand instructions are the the name New Zealand be dropped in the public media as often as possible.
    
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    April 12, 2023 2:13pm
G the giant from Dunedin

What is letting Matt King win the seat do ffs, don’t start with this he will bring heaps of MPs with him because he will not, Nats and DNZ will split the vote and the worst Mp in living memory (now a bloody cabinet minister will win)
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April 12, 2023 9:04am
- Matt Long
  
  A King party would bring in a similar number of MPs to the Maori Party under current polling.
  Should they have some certainty of of getting in on the electorate vote, the numbers would likely go up significantly as disenfranchised voters find a viable home.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:23am
I remember when

The things we have come to expect and accept.
There were twenty two (22) vehicles stolen in Palmerston North last week.
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April 12, 2023 9:06am
- Bobba Fret
  
  For use in ram raids, coming to a shop near you.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:31am
Maggie Pie

What IS IT with these people?

I’m sure the majority here on KB will be as revolted as I was to see where the Deli Llama was caught on hot-mic asking a young BOY to…. “suck his tongue” 🙁

Now the Twitterati are asking if he’d ever been to ‘Epstein’s Island’?
Looks like Jeffery actually catered for ALL tastes…..

https://twitter.com/PatriotGal480/status/1645606503368515584
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April 12, 2023 9:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I just don’t understand women. After the last child was born, she told me we had to cut back on expenses, and that I had to give up drinking beer. I was not a big drinker; maybe a a dozen stubbies on weekends.
Anyway, I gave it up but I noticed the other day she came home from grocery shopping and when I looked at the receipt and saw $45 in makeup.
I said, “Wait a minute. I’ve given up beer and you haven’t given up anything!”
She said, “I buy that makeup for you, so I can look pretty for you.”
I told her, “Hell, that’s what the beer was for!”
And that’s when the fight started.
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April 12, 2023 9:09am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The classic ‘Dad’ joke….love it.
  
  Hopefully you can get some Bud Light now to drink……..
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:17am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve: Here’s one from WW II…Admiral Chester Nimitz apparently told it:
  
  Two men are pacing up and down in a hotel corridor…finally one says to the other “What’s the problem for you?”
  
  The other guy: “I’m a doctor. I have a patient in there with his false leg all apart, and I don’t know how to put it back together”
  
  The other guy: “Yeah, well I have a good looking gal in there with both legs apart, and I’ve forgotten her room number”
  
  Not bad for an 80 year old joke.
  
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  April 12, 2023 9:28am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Just read a book on Nimitz and the Pacific War and am just wading through Ian Toll’s trilogy on the Pacific War.
    
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    April 12, 2023 2:22pm
Warren

This is shameful from our Government and the Health system and how could people like Andrew Little have let it get so bad.
Cancer Patient with eight weeks to live told 12 week delay to see Specialist.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cancer-patients-harmed-by-ongoing-treatment-delays-at-southern-health-board-hdc/SGPWBTRJLBGQZMFU32F46SRYQM/
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April 12, 2023 9:10am
DimChappie

Yesterday’s link about Liz Lambert and a secret document was from 2021; here is a link to the underlying theory: https://mauricrown.org/
The secret document can be found by googling “Liz Lambert Maori document,” – it instantly downloads as a PDF
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April 12, 2023 9:11am
MCōs

National are probably very confident they will win back Northland and they certainly won’t be withdrawing their candidate in favour of Matt King.
If they did Labour wouldn’t believe their good luck.
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April 12, 2023 9:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-great-iceberg-advert-challenge-is-on/

Is Auckland Council signed up to co-governance? See video.
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April 12, 2023 9:25am
Sparrow

Totally agree. Living in the southern part of the electorate there is confusion amongst non Labour supporters. They like Matt and admire him for talking to the Wellington protestors. On the flip side they are afraid that they will split the anti Labour vote. Luxon if he has any political sense will pull National out. Its interesting that Hipkins has given our MP Jean Willow Prime a higher profile. She has been invisible.
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April 12, 2023 9:46am
BeaB

Nonce is a particularly unpleasant and inaccurate epithet for a decent man like Luxon. Do you even know what it is generally accepted to mean?
I am surprised it got through the moderators.
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April 12, 2023 9:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I suspect most people don’t know that it is criminal slang for someone convicted of sex with a child.
  
  I agree – not a word to be used on someone else’s blog.
  
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  April 12, 2023 10:46am
BeaB

Oh dear. Just when we thought the adults were going to be back at RNZ Ingrid Hipkiss got Luxon’s name wrong (amazing when Guyon got so huffy about Luxon mixing his name up) and argued with him like a snippy teenager.
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April 12, 2023 9:54am
Maggie Pie

NOT MY KING!

No wonder Liz hung on as long as she did. SHE KNEW!!

‘Defender-of-the-Faith’ to read from the KORAN during the Coronation…

https://twitter.com/yalding1666/status/1645258606256766977

People are saying this is why they’ve bought Jacinda onboard with the ‘Earth Shot Prize’….they just want to pick her brains,
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April 12, 2023 10:01am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Pick her brains Maggie? Where the hell will they find them?
  
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  April 12, 2023 10:05am
- MCōs
  
  The title of Defender of the Faith was first given to King Henry VIII by the Catholic Church
  So everything ain’t what it seems, but these Kings can fiddle around with the rules like any other unelected leader it seems.
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/king-charles-to-be-defender-of-the-faith-but-also-a-defender-of-faiths?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  
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  April 12, 2023 2:21pm
In Vino Veritas

I note in the last week that the media’s favourite “top economist” Shamubeeb Eaqub has been blathering about Super. “Of course, the Boomers wrote a blank cheque to themselves against their future generations”, and “They should have saved for it. It’s an outrage. It’s an outrage”. As our resident socialist economist, Eaqub believes that if you have done well (how well, as with all socialists, is never defined) you should not be able to claim Super, only the “poor” (whomever they are) should receive it. My understanding is that Age Pension and Universal Super were bought in around 1938/39 and the abolition of the asset test was in 1960. So, Eaqub’s claim that boomers have written a blank cheque is false. The cheque was written a good while before boomers got into any position to sign it. People like Eaqub always seem to want those with some means to pay everyone else’s expenses. Though whilst Eaqub thinks the “rich” should pay, I bet you in the last 5 years, he has made no voluntary payments to the IRD to assist those same poor. It’s all good if someone else has to put their hand in their pocket.
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April 12, 2023 10:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Shamubeeb Eaqub is from Bangladesh. Surely, that poor country would benefit far more from his wisdom than New Zealand ever could.
  
  Him staying here is just selfish of us.
  
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  April 12, 2023 1:04pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    India
    
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    April 12, 2023 2:20pm
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      No, it’s Bangladesh
      
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      April 12, 2023 10:52pm
- Burtland
  
  wasnt the Cullen Fund saved by the boomers?
  
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  April 12, 2023 2:52pm
- kevn
  
  @In Vino…. Is the the same ‘top economist’ who thought people should rent and said so. Not aim to buy their own home?
  Betcha he bought a place to either live in or rent. Guarantee that.
  Not knowing how the clown circus was going to shaft landlords and so reduce the number of homes to rent. PLUS out of control property prices.
  The ‘top economist’ must be so sorry he was WRONG.
  
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  April 12, 2023 4:02pm
kowtow

Much and all as these 3rd party type candidates appeal , this election is too important to the nation to lose , by causing a split vote .

King should stand down, in the national interest .
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April 12, 2023 10:06am
Warren

Any bets these two fourteen year olds will be repeat offenders.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gas-tikipunga-robbed-for-second-time-this-year-may-stop-tobacco-sales/WLVENICNHBG7ND35C5ZCR76Q7M/
If Labours an was working why are we still getting robberies by the underage youth in New Zealand.
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April 12, 2023 10:07am
- Nickc2
  
  Have we just witnessed Ginny Anderson’s plan in action?
  IMO, she’s no different from all the other Ministers of Police this Govt has put up. Nothing but window dressing the lot of em eh?
  
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  April 12, 2023 3:10pm
Loddenthinks

I don’t believe calling Christopher Luxon a nonce (child rapist or pedophile) is either correct or helpful, and may expose your host to legal action.
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April 12, 2023 10:10am
In Vino Veritas

Talk to Bob Jones since you are so confident. He will bet you $1 or $2K that National will win. G’won. Dare you to put your money where your keyboard is.
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April 12, 2023 10:23am
- Michael Johnston
  
  I won’t be taking up Sir Bob on his wager. I think he’s right. The polls are misleading. Labour and the Greens have a lot of ‘soft’ support that will erode during a winter characterised by ongoing inflation and rising interest rates. Further revelations of governmental incompetence are also likely. And many who say they will vote Labour will probably stay home on election day. None of this should be cause for Luxon to be complacent, though. He still needs to lift his game.
  
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  April 12, 2023 11:15am
cas

Just reading a book about 100 NZ LP covers and in the story about the cover for Max Cryer’s album, Max talks about the rumour that Mae West “was the first – what are they called – transgender, or actually a bloke in drag. I’ve met her many times and I don’t believe that. There’s something about being a woman that a woman can’t hide and there’s something about a man being a woman that isn’t 100% persuasive”.

So there we go then.
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April 12, 2023 10:26am
Maggie Pie

And if you really want to understand who is pushing the transgender agenda – and WHY, this is sooo worth a watch!

https://youtu.be/tLXdoqXbC6k
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April 12, 2023 10:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The best way to fight misinformation is to respond with accurate information, not censorship.
Elon Musk.
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April 12, 2023 10:57am
Ghost

The UK is among a number of countries with military special forces operating inside Ukraine, according to one of dozens of documents leaked online.

It confirms what has been the subject of quiet speculation for over a year.

The leaked files, some marked “top secret”, paint a detailed picture of the war in Ukraine, including sensitive details of Ukraine’s preparations for a spring counter-offensive.

BBC
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April 12, 2023 11:24am
ClanMcleod

Here go the Whoreald shills and spin doctors.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/nzs-lakes-and-rivers-in-appalling-state-new-govt-report-paints-bleak-picture-as-scientist-accuses-labour-of-broken-promises/44QARUJS45DLPNAXAKN4HPPKAY/

We obviously need something like, oh, 3/4/10 Waters? With lots of co-governance? It’s the only way to save us all…..//
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April 12, 2023 11:33am
- hullkiwi
  
  Plus the local manua whenua being consulted via a special govt funded agency to advise how Maori scientific principles will guide the government dept to write a plan that will then be implemented by one of Mahuta’s cousins.
  
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  April 12, 2023 1:31pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300851665/global-economy-in-perilous-phase-imf-says
Global economy in ‘perilous phase’, IMF says
Grim report on the global economy, which NZ is at the mercy of, says inflation is more entrenched than thought even a few months ago, and there has been a steep and unprecedented decline in real wages

So this is really what I don’t like about $tuff’s reporting ethics.
Someone there has seen fit to insert personal comment :“which NZ is at the mercy of”- an assertion which doesn’t appear in the story.
So that is the opinion of a worker at $tuff – must maintain the approved narrative in case people stop supporting our marvellous government, I suppose.
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April 12, 2023 11:44am
Maggie Pie

“Is it them again Yogi?”

“It’s always them Boo Boo”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1645934427187343360
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April 12, 2023 12:29pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

So, when NZ runs out of gas, we can always go shopping on the world market.

But, the Asian countries are contracting for long term supply.

Uh-oh.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/Europes-Shortsighted-LNG-Strategy-Explained.html
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April 12, 2023 1:09pm
Maggie Pie

Heard that Anne Gibson on ZB earlier. Property Editor for the Horrid.
She always comes across as such a bloody old DOOM-MERCHANT!
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April 12, 2023 1:25pm
- jon
  
  Talking ZB see Heather is away for the week and her 4 to 7pm slot is being covered by that insufferable, Jack Tame.
  
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  April 12, 2023 3:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Could be worse. Could have been that arsehat… Rowman 🙁
    
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    April 12, 2023 3:42pm
Dougal10

So the carbon credit scam has topped $500000000 cost to the taxpayers of new zealand , when will this nonsense from jimmy shaw stop.
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April 12, 2023 2:37pm
Burtland

Mahuta’s $3M aid to Afghanistan isnt looking too good now that the Taliban are kicking all the girls out of school …

Nanaia Mahuta. Sept21 “With the dangers that women and girls are facing in Afghanistan today, it is more important than ever to support the organisations that are delivering much needed humanitarian assistance and protection,”

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/aotearoa-new-zealand-provides-further-humanitarian-support-afghanistan
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April 12, 2023 3:06pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Anyone, and I mean anyone with a tiny amount of brain cells would be able to ascertain that the Taliban believe that females are unclean animals…it is in their dogma.
  
  The money was a virtue signal in stupidity.
  
  Mahuta is not the best Foreign representative NZ (or as she called it the other day in an International meeting) Aotearoa……probably nobody at the meeting knew where that country is.
  
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  April 12, 2023 3:34pm
- NothingLeft
  
  If you send money to Afghanistan dollars to donuts it ends up in the hands of the Taliban.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:01pm
Ghost

Forgot to factor in Wellington wind, what a cock up

The Wellington City Council has delivered a mea culpa after confirming its own choice was behind every single one of Wellington’s 17,000 street lamps being at risk of falling because it forgot to factor in the wind.

The council on Wednesday ended weeks of secrecy and briefed councillors on the problem and issued a statement, confirming it first knew of an issue in 2018.

Stuff
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April 12, 2023 3:28pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Good grief. Wellington is, literally, the city with the highest mean wind speeds globally.
  
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  April 12, 2023 3:47pm
- cmm
  
  Probably replaced the engineers with wokesters than were prepared to learn poi-waving.
  
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  April 12, 2023 4:38pm
Maggie Pie

Some guy activated our CCTV security-camera on the gates earlier.
I could see on screen he was probably a Dwarf….not much more than about 3ft tall. When I asked him what he wanted, he said he was the meter man.
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April 12, 2023 3:50pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Arf arf!
  
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  April 12, 2023 3:53pm
- cmm
  
  Sounds like a job for Winnie Peters when he finally gets the boot.
  
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  April 12, 2023 4:10pm
- greybeard
  
  Or he drew the short straw.
  
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  April 12, 2023 6:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    
    He didn’t hang around fortunately.
    Think he guessed from the tone of my voice I was feeling grumpy.
    
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    April 12, 2023 6:57pm
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      You were feeling grumpy? How many dwarfs were there?
      
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      April 12, 2023 7:05pm
cmm

It’s a bloody shame reading about the death of an inexperienced diver 3 years ago.

According to the reports, they blame nitrogen narcosis and oxygen poisoning.

I have doubts about oxygen poisoning as that is typically slow and only starts to become a worry much deeper (maybe 80 metres).

Nitrogen narcosis, on the other hand, is really fast and reverses really fast too. Inexperienced, fit, divers are particularly prone to it.

In 1985 I did some chamber “dives” in a military facility outside Pretoria to 60 metres or so. 8 or so people get into a decompression chamber and it is pumped with air until it reaches the desired pressure to mimic the desired depth.

One of these dives stands out. Although I was pretty experienced, almost all the others were not. 5 or so of them were inexperienced, but hyper-fit, cops who were on a police diving course. None had been diving for more than 3 weeks but had been doing very intensive training – diving at least once a day during their course. Perfect candidates to get narced.

When we got to about 45 metres they were all off their trolleys – acting like they were well into the booze.

Another was a non-cop who did not know them and he became hugely paranoid and wanted to be let out. He climbed into the ante-chamber and was returned to the “surface”, leaving me and the narced cops. I had handled a lot of pissed people when running pubs at uni so it didn’t worry me much.

Outside the chamber we had the SA Navy head dude in charge of diving medicine. He saw this as an opportunity for an experiment not to be missed. Everyone else outside wanted to abort the dive but he wanted to keep going. I said OK and the narced cops were all government property (I was in the Army at the time, so I suppose I was too). He kept the dive going and the narced cops got even more narced when we got to 60m. It really looked like they were pissed beyond belief. I was ok (been much deeper), but I tried doing some writing and solving some basic arithmetic and that was a challenge.

After staying at 60 metres for about 5 minutes (38 years ago, so I don’t really recall the exact time) we started the ascent. At about 40 metres the cops started becoming clear headed and at 30 metres they were normal again. From “pissed” to “sober” in less than a minute.

So it is really easy for me to see that the fit and inexperienced Woody Patterson could get narced and disoriented in only 50m depth – particularly with another 50+ metres of open water below him. When you can’t see the surface or the bottom it is really easy to lose your bearings if you are inexperienced.

Underwater is no place for inexperienced people to exceed the limits. They had enough training to have known better. Sorry mate – no undo button.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131701949/diver-watched-as-friend-became-disoriented-and-descended-to-death-on-famous-shipwreck
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April 12, 2023 4:09pm
- Mike
  
  Thanks. I read the article this morning and was mainly struck by the casual attitude to risk by the victim and the sense from some of his friends and relatives that whe was bound to go too far one day.
  You have added extra context to the specific risks casually treated in this case.
  
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  April 12, 2023 5:48pm
- mawm
  
  5 min at 60 m means quite a long decompression stop. Even at 30 m inexperienced people get pissed. I did at the naval base in Simonstown 10 years earlier.
  
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  April 12, 2023 7:01pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Sad to hear about this person dying..
  
  The worrisome thing about nitrogen narcosis is that it affects people differently for a variety of reasons.
  
  You can dive to the same depth with the same air on two different days and have different experiences. A good night’s sleep, a drink or two the night before can result in a different experience.
  
  On different days I have been mildly narced at 30M and not felt any apparent effect at 40M.
  
  Don’t have the certification to dive deeper than 40M so have no personal experience.
  
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  April 12, 2023 8:45pm
Swifty

Twelve years of neglect!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300851717/mayor-wayne-brown-and-auckland-councils-emergency-declaration-came-too-late–flood-report
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April 12, 2023 4:16pm
- Mike
  
  I was struck by how this report and two others today, trot out the favorite weasel words of ‘systemic mistakes’, etc. Auckland’s ‘super’ city council, the Wellington city council, and the Southern DHB – apparently none of them ever had elected or appointed individuals who could possibly be responsible for these gross failures.
  
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  April 12, 2023 6:23pm
Hard Cheese

How does Souxsie Wiles keep getting away with propagating the myth that New Zealand had some kind of world leading Covid response?

Act leader David Seymour called the decision “Hermit Kingdom redux, 2023 edition”, saying in a statement that it was “draconian”. He urged the Government to follow the likes of Singapore, the UK and Australia.

Microbiologist Siouxsie Wiles argued against following other countries’ leads.

“While some people will argue this puts us more out of step with other countries, it is worth remembering that, if we had followed those countries at the beginning of the pandemic, thousands more of our friends, families and colleagues would have died and thousands more would be out of the workforce due to long Covid.”

You only have to look at the current statistics to disprove this BS

Covid cases per 1M population

UK 356,927
Singapore 386, 754
Australia 435,499
New Zealand 466,800

Covid deaths per 1M population

Singapore 291
Australia 765
New Zealand 826
UK 3,057

We fared worse than Singapore and Australia, and somehow managed to have more Covid cases per capita than the UK despite being a remote island at the bottom of the world!
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April 12, 2023 4:26pm
Albie

I have always considered myself a hard working productive person; you know when you’re not feeling 100% but still get up and do what needs to be done. You do this for primarily your family, but also for your self esteem.
The problem I have after almost 6 years under a socialist government, is that I have a general feeling of lethargy and despondency.
I no longer feel aspirational, just thanking my lucky stars our mortgage is paid and we have money set aside for retirement.
This is stagnation and not what I have spent over 40 years working to achieve.
I would much rather have the drive to be able to put at risk some of our savings to work with our kids to start another business, capitalising on their knowledge and enthusiasm.
Frankly, under the direction New Zealand is heading my advice to them is move to Australia and start a new life.
We will stick it out here as we are in our early 60’s, but I do despair!
ACT and NZ First are making the right noises, National not so much at present, but there is a massive job to turn this ship around.
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April 12, 2023 6:04pm
- Mike
  
  Anyone else think that ACT and NZ First could work together to save Albie’s kids from socialism?
  
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  April 12, 2023 6:17pm
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    You’re right. Can’t see that happening.
    
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    April 12, 2023 7:54pm
- MCōs
  
  I lived for years in Thailand where the government is a train wreck
  Nobody in the office, not matter whether they were Thai or otherwise, gave that any consideration.
  For that matter I never heard anyone say it was a factor in NZ offices either.
  
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  April 12, 2023 7:03pm
Swifty

All is not well in the Judean People’s Front:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131748211/confusion-among-rtana-followers-as-two-leaders-announced
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April 12, 2023 6:04pm
Ghost

WTF

Last week, California lawmakers advanced a radical new bill, AB 665, that would allow children as young as 12-years-old to consent to being placed into state funded group homes without parental permission or knowledge. Critics are rightfully equating this to “state-sanctioned kidnapping.”

The state’s Assembly Judiciary Committee passed the bill, allowing mental health professionals to place children in residential facilities upon a minor’s request, even if the children are not experiencing abuse or neglect at home. The bill also lets professionals decide whether or not to inform a child’s parents “after consulting with the minor.” The bill’s authors claim it will help decrease suicidality among “youth, particularly Black and Latinx youth.”

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April 12, 2023 7:01pm
Swifty

A nice little video summary of the second battle of El Alamein.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ERlVM3z3ge0

Quite good.
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April 12, 2023 8:05pm
rjay

DPF will be excited to learn that he gets a call out from Tusiata Avia for his part in her controversy.
https://thebigidea.nz/stories/the-avia-controversy-as-told-by-tusiata-avia
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