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Loddenthinks

I’m confused. I saw on One Ewes last night, and it’s been beaten up even further in $1uffed today, that Phil Goff committed the unbelievable sin of forgetting to do a karakia to open an event at New Zealand House.

This is being labelled as clear racism, “pushing Maori down and lifting Pakeha up” especially when he said that nobody in the room had experienced a coronation before. The elephant in the room – well, less so since his stomach-stapling operation – was that “King” Tuheita had of course been to one – his own!

This is where the confusion comes in. On the one hand, the British are being accused publicly (by very ill-mannered people who still happily accepted their respective tax-payers funds to get them to London) of colonisation, slavery and profiting from the exploitation of resources and people throughout the world.

If colonisation was so bad, and the British so evil, why in the world does this group of rag-tag tribes from a small area of the North Island insist on copying the exact British royal monarchy, and insist that the former tow-truck driver is “a peer of King Charles”?

He is not. He’s as cringe-worthy as little David Waititi all dressed up in his cowboy hat, decrying how hard Maori have it due to the white man, yet taking the white man’s medicine in the form of another stomach-stapling operation to cure him of his lack of personal responsibility.

I wish these people would make up their minds.
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May 6, 2023 8:03am
- James Stephenson
  
  I’m interested to learn (from Jenna Lynch over at new shub) that the Māori Party leaders have a terrible attendance record at Parliament. Here we are in the middle of a school attendance crisis, which is especially bad for Māori kids and the example their so-called leaders are setting is…?
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:12am
- Mike
  
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  The sooner NZ becomes a republic the sooner some of Maoridom can move on from the idea that they needed a monarchy of their own to assert their agency.
  But the Kingitanga renouncing their claim to wider leadership is as unlikely as the parasitic Saxe-Coburg Gothas renouncing their wealth and privileges.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:14am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Later on the news they have Eli Rubashkyn who assaulted Posie Parker complaining the it was a victim and TVNZ went along with it. Is IT the appropriate word to use?
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:16am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Kudos to you for sticking it out that long. “He” is the correct word to use, he’s a man and always will be. The left are so proficient at firstly blaming the real victim and then becoming the victim themselves.
    
    Rubashkyn, Davidson and now of course Kerekere. Everything is everybody else’s fault and they are blameless.
    
    Side note: I wonder if any journalist has asked James Shaw how he feels about his co-Leader informing us that he – as a cis white male – is responsible for “all the violence in this world”?
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:20am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I am not sure if HE is the right word as the [Mod – please discuss an issue without making it personal] is intersex which is unusual in the trans community.
      
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      May 6, 2023 8:27am
      - pdm
        
        Chuck is intersex different to into sex?
        
        Asking for a friend.
        
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        May 6, 2023 8:47am
      - Mike
        
        And I am not sure that Kiwiblog is the right place for you to seek information on inclusive terms of personal address.
        
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        May 6, 2023 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes IT is.
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:25am
  - Anan Carpentie
    
    Oh well the silver lining is that Kellie Jay Keen has had a boost in visibility. Attendance at her fortnightly UK events has increased from a few dozen to several hundred.
    
    This is the irony. If the trans mob had not gone nuts in Australia and New Zealand, she may have got a hundred people at each event. At best.
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I was at home watching it on TV. Disappointed, I wanted to hear what Kellie-Jay Keen had to say.
      The Police of course spoiled it by hiding around the corner and not doing what Police did in other Countries.
      I am sure they were held back to help the shit media make some news.
      Who gave those orders? I want to know so I can complain. It was wrong!
      
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      May 6, 2023 1:35pm
  - Philview
    
    I had to turn off the News when the Disinformation Project came on talking about the threats of transgender genocide. This slanted media reporting is propaganda with zero objectivity.
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:43am
    - Anan Carpentie
      
      Good grief. I have been reading an account of the experience of native Americans over about 150 years. Now that was genocide.
      
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      May 6, 2023 9:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    IT is a good pronoun. It certainly doesn’t speak or act like any decent human being I know, of any sexual persuasion.
    
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    May 6, 2023 9:17am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Thomas Sowell, the African American Scholar, has a very low opinion of the current crop of Black American Leaders who seem to derive their power from telling Blacks they must blame Whites for their problems, and that the solutions must first come from Whites accepting their guilt.
  
  These so called Leaders are, in effect, giving Blacks Carte Blanche to act against the laws, which are now percieved as a tool of oppression.
  
  Maoridom is falling down the same rabbit hole.
  
  This Constant Oppressor/Oppressed Narrative has to be challenged. It only does harm to the people the purport to represent, and, at the same time, it the best recruitment tool the Alt-Right could have.
  
  Waititi is a prime example of a leader who, while thinking he is working for his people, is working against their best interests.
  
  When a Committee in San Francisco recommended that every Black Person be Given $5 million in reparations, I would bet anti-Black feelings did not get any better.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:18am
  - sirknz
    
    Has anyone started the timer on when Maori will demand individual reparations over and above the Waitangi Tribunal?
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:05am
    - Phronesis
      
      I’m sure that has already happened but the media is keeping a lid on it until they think they can make it fly.
      
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      May 6, 2023 10:50am
- Anan Carpentie
  
  I was similarly bemused. If you surveyed 100 New Zealanders asking “Who is the Maori king and what is his role?” you may well get 100 blank stares.
  
  Heather du Plessis-Allan yesterday interviewed some “indigenous affairs academic”. He confirmed that it was indeed a grave offence. 😂 He twice referred to Phil Goff causing similar offence “when he was Prime Minister”. 😂
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:23am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A “maori king” implies maori are united and have a king. This is highly misleading.
    
    It would be more accurate to write “the ______ king” where _____ holds the iwi name.
    
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    May 6, 2023 9:02am
    - Swifty
      
      King of Huntly.
      
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      May 6, 2023 10:40am
      - Paulus
        
        And special friends of Mercedes Car dealer’s in Hamilton.
        
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        May 6, 2023 11:23am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Sadly you are wrong. He is the King of Ngaruawahia where I live.
        
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        May 6, 2023 11:28am
      - Matt Long
        
        Chuck, 8m sure the royal metropolis is looking forward to an upgrade when the money from water comes through.
        
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        May 6, 2023 1:10pm
    - Trev
      
      Yes it is misleading. King of some of the Waikato Maori or king of the Tainui tribe is the truth. And on top of that not all Tainui support the Maori monarchy just like not all British support their monarchy.
      
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      May 6, 2023 3:13pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Media have finally found a Māori being upset headline while covering the Coronation.
    
    It was as inevitable as the sun coming up next Thursday.
    
    Heather should know better than to stir the pot.
    
    But silly me. Its all about ratings, not rational reporting.
    
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    May 6, 2023 5:24pm
    - HeatherW
      
      I started watching TV1 for the King story. After 40 minutes there had been at least 5 errors so changed to youtube and watched Randy Feltface.
      
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      May 6, 2023 8:43pm
  - Ehlana
    
    When was Phil Goff Prime Minister?
    
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    May 6, 2023 7:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is 70 years since Queen Elizabeth’s Coronation. I am sure there were people there older than 70, so would have see the Coronation.
  Phil Goff is thick as two short planks.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:23am
  - CJames
    
    Wasn’t his reported comment addressed to people in the room, none who were over 70? If so, what he said was correct.
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:45am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Plenty in the room were over 70, but none would’ve been present at our former Queen’s coronation.
      
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      May 6, 2023 8:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They would have been aware of it, and seen photos.
        A ninety year old would have been 20 then.
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:15pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        We all got sent sent to the movies to see the coronation. The next year they came here on tour
        
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        May 6, 2023 6:59pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ian,
        Stand for God save the Queen, NZ Anthem sit, then Te Newsreel.
        No TV back in 1965.
        
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        May 7, 2023 5:54am
    - CJames
      
      From NewsHub
      “Goff forgot to perform a karakia to open the event at the High Commission, and then went on to say that no one in the room had experienced a coronation before – right in front of Kīngi Tuheitia. …The question was asked, ‘Who has been to a coronation before?’
      So he asked just the room who had been there when Queen Elizabeth was crowned. It is almost certain that no-one in that room had.
      The only reason it is in the news is a few people from just one of the iwi got precious. Ask Maori from other tribes what they think of the “Maori King” representing them. That will show what the view is.
      
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      May 6, 2023 2:51pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, even short planks are useful.
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nogs
      
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      May 6, 2023 12:16pm
  - Ghost
    
    Is watching a coronation on tv the same as being there and experiencing it, which none of those there would have experienced before?
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:40am
    - CJames
      
      My mother watched the 1953 coronation live on TV, even though it was occurring only about 10 miles down the road. And no, she does not consider she experienced it.
      
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      May 6, 2023 5:25pm
- Simon
  
  karakia is NZs equivalent of a Michael Jackson copy break dancing on public transport
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:23am
  - C-Town
    
    I hadn’t heard of Karakias until about a year ago. Phil Goff had probably left NZ for the UK before they became widespread.
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:00pm
    - Ghost
      
      Phil would have had the Karakia‘s in parliament and in council
      
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      May 6, 2023 8:07pm
- Nickc2
  
  Maori King? What a load of crap! There’s no such thing.
  As for his Coronation, they’re grasping at Colonial Traditions for personal gain.
  The moral of the story, is never stand between a Maori and someone else’s money.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A Monarchy governs a state.
  
  The Maori Monarchy “governs” only folk who affiliate to Waikato-Tainui.
  
  There seems to be an attempt by certain sectors in the media over the last few years to raise the Kingitanga to some form of constitutional importance in NZ.
  
  I had one of the princes of Kingitanga living next door to me (in a sleep-out) when we first shifted to Kaiti. He had no status over here…apart from being known as a thief and a spoilt boy.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-kings-son-admits-theft/CY7VPU24HKHSJJZCWBHSCXCHAY/
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:02am
- Yvette
  
  Loddenthinks – This is being labelled as clear racism, “pushing Maori down and lifting Pakeha up”
  
  Like the five years there have been of Labour “pushing non-Maori down and lifting Maori Elite up”
  
  And the accusations of “colonisation, slavery and profiting from the exploitation of resources and people throughout the world”, are likely matched by inter-tribal war, tribal invasion (just colonisation on a minor scale, but still deadly when it happens to individuals), likewise subsequent slavery and especially cannibalism – it could be said “would spoil anyone’s day”, but that may be disrespectful
  
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  May 6, 2023 11:09am
- igm
  
  Who really gives a shit?
  
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  May 6, 2023 11:40am
- rouppe
  
  On the one hand, the British are being accused publicly (by very ill-mannered people who still happily accepted their respective tax-payers funds to get them to London) of colonisation, slavery and profiting from the exploitation of resources and people throughout the world.
  
  Not to mention those ill mannered people engaging in at least two of those themselves. There’s a case for the third, since they’ve obviously had no trouble using the technology of others, that they would never have obtained through their own endeavors
  
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  May 6, 2023 1:18pm
3-coil

He’s not nick-named Phil Goof for nothing.
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May 6, 2023 8:06am
- Matt Long
  
  Fool Goof
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:14am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    For some decades Governments of all colours have lacked the capacity capability and will to govern within the principles of good governance. I refer to the recent defection. Disclosure and transparency would have seem all the documentation involved disclosed. It wasnt, I say for two reasons. First because there was a breach of the law and due process and second because the parties involved view the citizens as no more than ignorant peasants.
    I say our current governance processes need root and branch reform. For that I refer to events that occured in France in the late 1700s.
    
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    May 6, 2023 9:20am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes but in this instance only for apologising.
    
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    May 6, 2023 9:23am
    - nathie
      
      He sure did give a typical Labour Party non-apology – “my apologies if the protocol did not meet your expectations”.
      
      Umm suprised Goff didn’t add – “…. so just suck it up and move on whydontcha”!!
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/high-commissioner-to-the-uk-phil-goff-offends-m-ori-king-with-coronation-comments-forgotten-karakia.html
      
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      May 6, 2023 12:43pm
  - Debsta
    
    Full Goof I reckon
    
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    May 7, 2023 12:42am
- nathie
  
  More like Phil Gaffe …
  
  He was party to elevating Maori customs (when he was a Labour Minister) and now he forgets them.
  
  Meaning Labour are virtue signalling for Maori support and praise … but are not being true when it counts.
  
  So in that context I can understand why offence was taken by some (not saying I agree or disagree), and it exposes Labour as being the hypocrites they are. Oh dear!
  
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  May 6, 2023 12:37pm
Scott

On Wednesday afternoon I was sitting with a colleague in Lower Hutt having a coffee outside a café by the Main Street. Suddenly there was the thunderous sound of motorbikes. About 20 motorbikes came past. The latest most flash looking bikes, all ridden by gang members wearing expensive jackets. Following them were some souped up American classic cars in beautiful condition, also driven by gang members. Everyone revved their engines as hard as they possibly could, to make as much noise as they possibly could.

Later that afternoon driving on the motorway back to Masterton we saw some police officers in cars. They were driving along some way back from the same gang members. They were not interacting with them at all. They seem to be providing some kind of escort?

Here are my questions. Is this what we are to expect for the foreseeable future? Gang members who don’t work, being able to afford expensive bikes and expensive cars and expensive clothes. What is the source of their income?
Is it now acceptable for gang members to be as noisy as possible? Do the rules about noisy vehicles not apply any more? Or do they just not apply to gang members?

What we are seeing is law and order breaking down and outlaws essentially being able to do as they like. This is New Zealand in 2023. And if you vote Labour or Greens or Maori party at the next election, please understand your vote will help ensure this chaos goes on for the foreseeable future
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May 6, 2023 8:07am
- Mike
  
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  Lower Hutt does not have a Main Street. Perhaps you were in Upper Hutt.
  What illegal behavior did you observe? It’s not clear from your description.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    High Street was formerly Main Street.
    
    Main Street (Lower Hutt, N.Z.)
    Until the 1920s or 1930s, High Street, Lower Hutt, was known as Main Street
    
    https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22599792
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:06am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Mike he said BY the Main Street not on Main Street. So your snipe is actually misaimed.
    
    Scott being from over the Hill wouldn’t know the main drags in Lower Hutt are Queens Dr and High Street…
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:08am
  - AitchW
    
    Another constructive, well reasoned and thoughtful contribution to the discussion. Perhaps you should stand for TPM in the next election.
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:21am
  - Matt Long
    
    Is receiving goods and proceeds of crime an offence.
    I guess Labour could have gifted the bikes to them for work in drug addiction the.
    
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    May 6, 2023 1:15pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  The same applies to small parties that will not get above 3% at most. Party vote Act.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:19am
  - Paulus
    
    But do not split the National vote in doing so.
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:23am
  - Mike
    
    I thought you were a Winston Peters fan, Chuck.
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:50am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They won’t get over 3% if people don’t vote for them.
    
    I don’t apologise for repeating this.
    
    If Act and National don’t want fringe parties to take votes from them, then one, or ideally both of them, need to admit they got it wrong over covid. They supported and indeed, advocated stronger bullying measures to compel people to take part in the disastrous experiment that was covid.
    
    Also as I have said before, they have a get out of jail card. They can point to the fact that like the rest of us, they were given misinformation and actually lied to by Labour and the “experts” they surrounded themselves by.
    
    They don’t need to apologise, simply acknowledge what happened was wrong and that they wouldn’t have advocated what they did if they had not been given false information. Acknowledge the harm that was done to many, many families, businesses, individuals and especially to the social fabric of our whole society which was shredded.
    
    Again, that’s not an apology, it’s simply an acknowledgement that things done were wrong, and whether or not it wins votes, its’ the bloody right thing to do and long overdue.
    
    Again I ask, how is it remotely possible that every single one of 121 politicians who are meant to be our representatives, are in lockstep with this total silence?
    
    I’ve written to David Seymour, again, to date no reply, again.
    I’m closely watching Democracy NZ and NZF. There will be tens of thousands (at a minimum) like me. Still angry at how we were treated. Especially angry that not one of the overpaid public servants who sit in the Beehive will advocate for us.
    
    Do these people really not understand why we desperately look around for somewhere that remotely cares for us or our opinions? Do their campaign managers really not understand that ignoring this and hoping it goes away makes the insult even worse?
    
    Instead of berating us and threatening us that we need to toe the line or it will be our fault if the nightmare Labour/Green/Maori coalition win the election, have a look in the mirror. Ask your representatives WHY will you not even admit that hundreds of thousands of decent NZers had their lives devastated and are still struggling to get their lives on track again? WHY?
    
    If this election is lost by National/Act it will be nobody’s fault but their own. They have the power, they have the tools and the infrastructure, they just need to do the right thing. Then we can get on with the next battle, the racist state being created right under our noses.
    
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    May 6, 2023 9:10am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      So, not only Act should admit they are wrong on the mandates but to stop votes from being wasted on the New Conservatives should admit they are wrong on abortion.
      
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      May 6, 2023 9:19am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Chuck Bird – that’s not what I said. If you willfully twist what I said which is a very simple message, then you are a prime example of why there is a problem in this country.
        
        I’ll make it really simple, do you not think Act should admit they were wrong re their support for the covid response? Yes or no? Or do you think ignoring the whole nightmare of the last 3 years and hoping it will be forgotten is a good strategy?
        I’ve pointed out, they can say their actions were based on the information they received from the government. It’s an easy win for them. Worded correctly it will keep 90% of potential voters happy.
        Mainly though, it’s the right thing to do.
        
        I didn’t say Act should admit they were wrong on abortion. That’s a debatable topic. But they were wrong on covid. An important distinction.
        
        Admit it. Say it won’t happen again. Then let’s get on with ousting the wasters in power destroying the country.
        
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        May 6, 2023 10:07am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        BTW Chuck, I didn’t downtick you. Take note. You are possibly on the wrong side of this, just like Act.
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:13pm
    - Phronesis
      
      I had to laugh when a public health dr was quoted on the coming measles outbreak saying why this was different to covid, measles is actually dangerous to children and the vaccine actually works. Unlike covid.
      
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      May 6, 2023 9:27am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Phronesis – also of note in that article was the comment that measles is deadlier than covid. I thought covid was the Black Death? What does that make measles?
        But vaccine hesitancy was always going to be an outcome of the abuse and psychological manipulation used during covid. Trust takes a long time to win and a moment to destroy.
        
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        May 6, 2023 10:15am
      - Phronesis
        
        Pretty much everything is deadlier than Covid in children, as no children died of covid in NZ, despite the vast majority of them catching it.
        
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        May 6, 2023 10:58am
      - Ghost
        
        A few children’s death are listed, Age
        
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        May 6, 2023 11:00am
      - marcw
        
        as no children died of covid in NZ
        
        Absolutely and provably wrong Phronesis – and an insult to those who lost children.
        
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        May 6, 2023 11:54am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ghost – that is incorrect. Children died ‘with’ covid. Not ‘from’ covid.
        Clearly I don’t have the specific details, only the families and medical staff involved will know those. But this was one of the biggest deceptions of the whole fiasco, the deliberate manipulation of statistics to support a bs narrative.
        
        ‘with’ v ‘off’ covid was right up there along with claiming your were unjabbed until 2 weeks after you got the needle in your arm. Anyone dying or going to hospital in that period was deemed ‘unvaccinated’. What a nonsense.
        
        The levels of deception were despicable.
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, I know. We have a relative who died from cancer, oh I mean Covid, despite he died from cancer
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:34pm
    - I remember when
      
      The whole vaccination approach is in need of a serious overhaul.
      Regardless of the reason why, people seem to have lost their confidence in the need, benefit, or both.
      Are people sick of being told what they have to do, feeling that official advice is no longer trustworthy, or in need of research, they have trust in, showing the benefits of each type of vaccination.
      Perhaps the now endless list of need for vaccinations is leading to indifference.
      
      Another cross to add to covid action outcomes!
      
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      May 6, 2023 9:37am
      - Anan Carpentie
        
        The lack of trust is down to the covid vaccine madness.
        
        But for measles and the other childhood diseases there is no alternative to vaccines. That are safe and actually work. Providing near 100 percent protection for decades.
        
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        May 6, 2023 10:13am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Anan,
        
        The alternative to vaccines for measles is Vitamin A. Children with a deficiency in Vitamin A are far more likely to become very ill with measles. There is a reason cod liver oil for children was very popular for a time.
        
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        May 6, 2023 8:27pm
    - House
      
      There are still people (even medical people) that believe 100% that Ardern was right.
      I was in a hospital last week visiting and the topic came up and a nurse was very much in that camp.
      This is why National and Act will say little about the COVID response and focus on the future rather than the past.
      Labour might do the opposite in regard to COVID as most of their voters won’t acknowledge the facts now and just point to “oh well, based on what we knew at the time the gov’t did an outstanding job”.
      
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      May 6, 2023 10:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        House – I understand the thinking, but the difference is that we aren’t in a situation of uncertainty now. We have the receipts. We have the evidence. All of the policies used caused more harm than good.
        
        Those outcomes were warned about by many people from the beginning. They were censored, smeared and de platformed. No alternative opinion was permitted. No discussion was entered into, this was what set my alarm bells going very early on. The co-ordinated attacks on Simon Thornley and Covid Plan B were eye opening.
        
        Ardern was 100% wrong and it isn’t too difficult to prove that. Ignoring the truth isn’t a sensible policy by political parties is my point. It might seem like one, but this is too big an issue.
        
        You can get away with that when you do something stupid like Marama Davidson did when blaming cis white men for all violence. Duck for cover, don’t talk about it, people move on.
        That won’t happen with covid. It’s far too big.
        
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        May 6, 2023 10:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        My point is, National/Act seem to be stuck almost level with Labour and co in the polls. This is the worst government in NZ history, it shouldn’t be remotely as close.
        Worded correctly, an acknowledgment of the mistakes would imo get the 10 point margin which it should be at a minimum for National/Act right now.
        It can’t be challenged, the evidence is available. Vaccines don’t work for covid, nor do masks, nor do lockdowns. Never did, never will.
        
        The nurse is wrong and it shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes to explain that to them. Their problem is that as someone on the frontline, they were exposed to even more misinformation than the rest of us.
        
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        May 6, 2023 10:29am
    - Gertie
      
      Clan I suspect all political parties were bribed to follow the covid plan. As was media. You just dont get the 100% collusion without something pretty serious keeping everyone on the same path. So what makes you think that they arent still being bribed? Big pharma will be in big trouble if pollies start talking.
      My doctor said to me last week…the medical heirachy is saying 6 month old babies should have a covid vaccine. His words….There is no reason to vaccinate children against covid as they dont die of it. No NZ babies have died from covid.
      
      So as they say follow the money. And what I am saying, does that money also lead back to our politicians?
      
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      May 6, 2023 2:47pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      And now ACT has made more illiberal comments saying people who don’t fill out the census should have their benefit frozen.
      
      If people don’t fill out a census then punish whoever it is regardless if they’re on the benefit. But just targeting beneficiaries is weird and wrong.
      
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      May 6, 2023 4:30pm
- Colville
  
  Its the guy with the Mob patch and face tattoo getting out of the latest AMG Merc coupe down at the 4Sq that pissed me off…
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:09am
  - I remember when
    
    Totally agree – it definitely should be a Telstra!
    
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    May 6, 2023 9:40am
    - Tricati
      
      Or at least an EV, for diversity sake.
      
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      May 6, 2023 10:04am
- Ruawai
  
  Same goes for the helmetless dirt bike riders of south Auckland, they seem to have free reign to do as they please on the roads, run red lights, no helmets, intimidate people etc and no police in sight. My guess is that most of the bikes are stolen as well. If there are no consequences these guys get more brazen, very scary when teaching a 16 year old how to drive and they whizz past.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:13am
  - Cassandra
    
    Rein, I think – it’s a riding allusion.
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:40am
- I remember when
  
  Scott:
  “They seem to be providing some kind of escort?”
  
  Ah, the good old days.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:12am
- lastmanstanding
  
  If the IRD were doing the job taxpayers pay them for they would be taxing each Gang member using the asset accretion provisions of the Tax legislation. The IRD have the power to calculate what they think your assets are at the beginning and end of each tax year and derive an income from that and issue a tax notice. Not many know that tax law is the only area where the citizens has to prove themselves innocent. Unless the citizen can successfully convince the Court the IRD tax notice is incorrect the Court will order the tax and any penalties paid. And if not paid assets can be seized and sold to pay the tax and penalties. Remember it was tax evasion that saw Al Capone jailed.
  IMHO if the Government had the will they could cripple the Gangs. But they wont. Instead they support them and give them Millions of Dollars a year. F…..g unbelievable.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:46am
Mike

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Happy International No Diet Day!
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May 6, 2023 8:07am
- Ghost
  
  That may be why Jenny Craig is collapsing in the states, who knew a weight loss businesses would have to close in obesity central
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:38am
G152

A few of us share the interests and hobbies of King Charles.
I flew but not helicopters or jet fighters.
Jumped cheapos and spent years sport diving.
Rode horses { that was the only transport}
And joined up.
He might be a bit of a prat but long may he reign
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May 6, 2023 8:14am
- Che Guava
  
  That’s a very low bar for the characteristics that make a good monarch. I’d settle for Christian and not a Globalist shill.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:04am
- 3-coil
  
  G152: and that “I’ve got a barn, you’ve got a barn” line last night on te Repair shop! 😂
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:14am
Yvette

Meka Whaitiri

1-News Inside Parliament
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1TYgj3nenKebe389erkiHi

– mentions an email was initially sent by Whaitiri, and then withdrawn
Usually you don’t withdraw something unless you have made a mistake in it

If that mistake is to vacate your Parliamentary seat by the accident of telling the Speaker you have resigned from the party by which you entered Parliament can you, then can you later undo that?

So why did Robertson have a reasonably long discussion with the Speaker.
The whole deal is now a bad look for the Speaker – and Whaitiri
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May 6, 2023 8:20am
- pdm
  
  Yvette – and Robertson if he did have a long meeting with the Speaker on the Whaitiri situation.
  
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  May 6, 2023 1:22pm
Chuck Bird

It appears that Tucker Carlson is teaming up with Elon Musk.
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May 6, 2023 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wat to go! Let’s see the reaction of Fox.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:28am
  - House
    
    The reaction has been to leak to Media Matters.
    Rupert and family are out to destroy Tucker Carlson.
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It appears to be backfiring on them. What is being released is not as damning as they think. It’s the opposite. He’s saying what most people think but are too afraid to state publicly. I think the public are starting to get sick of narrative control and realising that it isn’t just them thinking this way.
      
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      May 6, 2023 10:35am
      - Inandout
        
        CM, word is that Joe will stay in his basement and give very few public appearances where he is questioned. It worked last time but I don’t think he can count on it this time round as the country implodes around him.
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:03pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I don’t think Carlson can team up with anyone just yet as he is still under Contract to Fox.
  I like his idea of doing a GOP Presidential Debate though.
  Trump is indicating he wont be going to the first one- which is being hosted by Fox.
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:42am
  - Mike
    
    Trump’s too busy with a CNN town hall meeting,
    
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    May 6, 2023 8:51am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Trump is very good at getting Media to give him free coverage.
      Over $1 Billion worth last time. He has to though, given the deep pockets of Crooked Joes Sponsors.
      
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      May 6, 2023 9:44am
Paulus

So Kerekere has resigned from the Greens.
Presumably she will get the OK from the Speaker to stay on as an Independent and will join TPM on full pay.
If TPM will have her, as she is dynamite as we all know, and of course will want her own way in all things Maori which means she is to be the boss NOW.
Worth a Watch eh Tamihere.
Read Sun Tzu – The Art of Warfare, John.
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May 6, 2023 8:28am
- yossarian
  
  Hmmm… Shes a list mp, so why isn’t she being replaced?
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:32am
- Yvette
  
  Paulus, my understanding, amid the general confusion, is that as long as Kerekere. Marama Davidson or James Shaw do not officially email or write a letter to the Speaker, saying Kerekere has resigned from the Green Party, she will remain an Independent Member and just needs to email the Speaker to tell him that the Greens no longer can vote on her behalf and she will vote independently.
  Again, apparently, she can join the Maori Party as long as she does not officially tell the Speaker.
  
  So much for the law that Winston horse-traded gas and oil exploration for. It’s indeed ironic that a Green MP can now takes advantage of the holes Winston left in it.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:56am
  - pdm
    
    Yvette – so much for MMP laws too if you are right.
    
    They are very different to Waka Jumping and if she stays Kerekere is depriving the next person on the Greens 2020 Election list a place in Parliament.
    
    A rort a day happening in our Parliament by the look of it. Next there will be fisticuffs in the chamber.
    
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    May 6, 2023 1:28pm
- Countrygirl
  
  I see Waititi’s wife is a Tamahere. Related to the “famous” ones I imagine. It all feels a bit incestuous with Meka displacing her cousin in the Maori seat.
  
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  May 6, 2023 1:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Dr Kiri Tamihere-Waititi is John Tamihere’s eldest child.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/m9-clinical-psychologist-dr-kiri-tamihere-waititi-moves-between-both-worlds/3KFX6SFHF5A2XAIBGCJPEJZQXM/
    
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    May 6, 2023 1:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This has nothing to do with Tax:
https://leadpatriot.com/bidens-irs-has-spent-millions-on-these-items-since-2020-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-taxes/22797/
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May 6, 2023 8:29am
Tom Barker

Neofascist militia, the Proud Boys, must be feeling less proud these days. In fact the “Ashamed Boys” would seem to be a more apt name for them. Do the many contributors to this blog who maintain that the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol was a predominantly peaceful and harmless, although unauthorised, tourist visit, still hold to that view after evidence of arms caches and the Proud Boys’ convictions for seditious conspiracy?
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May 6, 2023 8:31am
- Phronesis
  
  Most Americans I know have “arms caches” and dodgy convictions for planning to commit, but not actually committing a crime, aren’t evidence of anything but politically motivated prosecutors.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Our host families in Alaska have them. Jack (father) and Michele have a 45 handgun, and a 380 rifle. There are also firearms at the workshop. Jayson (son) has a 9mm, a 45, a 5 shot pump action 12G, and an AR- 15.
    Just by the front door there is a bookshelf with a drop down door. That is where the 45 lives. Should all be locked away but do you say “hold on, I need to get my gun?”
    Steven, another family member has a 9 mm and a 45. They do a lot of target shooting at the gun range. That is where I first fired a hand gun.
    
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    May 7, 2023 6:13am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘arms caches’
  Hahahahaha- lefty girly-man gets the vapour’s over someone owning a few guns.
  //
  The only guns at Jan 6 were those used by the Police.
  One of which used theirs to murder an innocent women.
  And this seems dodgy
  
  ‘The government admitted Tuesday that eight FBI confidential human sources were embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6, Roots reported in a Wednesday court filing, saying the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency appears to have had some 19 informants active at the time.’
  https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/04/06/at-least-40-undercover-informants-were-doing-surveillance-on-jan-6-defense-lawyer-says-1347770/
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  “Insurrection”
  
  Bwahahahahahahahaha.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:57am
- Che Guava
  
  Jan 6th was a riot at most, and there was never any demonstrated attempt at sedition or at insurrection. The DoJ had to throw the book, and the kitchen sink, at them, because if they hadn’t, that would have been to acknowledge that the Regime is illegitimate, which was the contention of those in attendance. They are basically saying that their entrenched power cannot ever be challenged without the full weight of the sate coming down on the challenger. This, in “Our Democracy.”
  
  They have to go after as many people as possible, and for whatever they can no matter how tenuously involved or linked to events, because not doing so is to leave a future challenge to the power open. Just like with the many issues Trump has faced, this is a political matter, not primarily a legal one.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:13am
  - Tom Barker
    
    I’m sure that claim will be very reassuring to the convicted Proud Boys. They’re thought to be looking at 20 years.
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:52am
    - Che Guava
      
      Indeed. I’m still correct though.
      
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      May 6, 2023 11:20am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yep, but after seeing Jacob Chansley released due to further evidence obtained from the released Surveillance footage we will probably see more released.
        ‘ airing footage of the self-styled QAnon Shaman wandering the halls of Congress with police officers either escorting him, or making no attempt to bar his way’
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65132475
        
        Now that the informants have been outed I suspect there will be closer examination of what role they played. We know from the Whitmer kidnapping case that the FBI is not above getting their informants to instigate the crime.
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:53pm
- sirknz
  
  You forgot to call them ‘White Supremacists’ too, despite them having a Cuban as their leader and a number of members who are also not white.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:17am
  - jon
    
    I see the MSM seem to have stop calling them White Supremacists, belatedly they have seen the photos of the Proud Boys and noted the brown/black faces in their ranks.
    
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    May 6, 2023 1:01pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Are these your personal thoughts or were you going to present some actual evidence for your allegations?
  An American with an ‘arms cache’, there’s a first……….🤡
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:43am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Good to know that conspiracies against the government can now be proven by “a wink and a nod”.
  
  Tom Barker undoubtedly thinks the the stretch-it-until-it-screams definition of seditious conspiracy, using the completely unintended ramifications of the Enron rule additions twenty years ago, will never be used against Democrat Politicians and their good friends in the Antifa & BLM movements.
  
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  May 6, 2023 3:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  @Tom Barker,
  insurrection my left tit. Trump knew the Trump rally would be infiltrated and could not stop it. Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, even the bastard Antifa.
  Thing is Nancy Pelosi also knew – to the extent that she was helping Daughter I think set up recording the whole fiasco. Then FBI, CIA.
  Before it all happened Trump asked for 20 thousand National Guard Troops. Pelosi stopped it. Then 10 thousand Troops, nope.
  Pelosi wanted this to happen! She is the main culprit here!
  “unauthorised?” The original rally was authorised sorry.
  BTW Tom, CNN is real News right?
  
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  May 6, 2023 6:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Why do the left tell blatant lies?

https://leadpatriot.com/fact-check-did-biden-really-reduce-illegal-immigration-by-90/22765/
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May 6, 2023 8:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump/DeSantis.

https://leadpatriot.com/desantis-gets-horrible-news-in-latest-poll-trump-gets-the-last-laugh/22785/
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May 6, 2023 8:39am
- Mike
  
  Hi Steve. Is the host of your latest webshite a ‘lead’ patriot as in a leader of others who pretend to be patriotic, or a ‘lead’ patriot as in one with a brain made of lead?
  
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  May 6, 2023 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I wish I knew what you are on about.
    
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    May 6, 2023 12:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ah! You mean Julian Batchelor? He says he has no political affiliations, but I am sure he does.
    He is doing all of this to stop NZ going down the drain. At Orewa he told me personally that he is ‘committed.’ He stopped working to do this. He also thanked me for posting on Kiwiblog.
    Have a read if his book Mike. It can be read online in the blog.
    
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    May 7, 2023 6:23am
- Inandout
  
  SO, even though Fox is pushing Desantis I think it is too early for him and he is best running a very successful Florida. By the time of the next Presidential election the major Dem cities like Chicago, NY and San Fran will be total cesspits.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    DeSantos POTUS in 2028.
    His VP choice? dunno. How about Candace Owens?
    
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    May 6, 2023 6:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More on Kerekere.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/green-mp-walks-out-amid-toxic-row/ar-AA1aNMPD
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May 6, 2023 9:04am
- Inandout
  
  SO, I am at a loss to understand how a List MP can remain in Parliament considering she wasn’t voted in.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:12am
- Mike
  
  There is a whole thread on this, Steve.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That was 9.19 last night. This is General Debate.
    
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    May 6, 2023 12:26pm
- I remember when
  
  Turns out she was a kereru.
  Late in early out .
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:18am
Yvette

The Green Party is refusing to say how long the investigation into its MP Elizabeth Kerekere will take – in turn fuelling frustration from the party base.
More Green members, who are being asked to rank the party’s members and MPs to form its list, have spoken to Stuff, concerned the party is purposely “dragging out” the bullying investigation into Kerekere.
Multiple members, who had been closely aligned with the party – and had worked closely within the caucus and for MPs – say they’re going to cut ties with the party altogether. They’re angry at how the party is treating Kerekere, an MP who some have alleged is a bully.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131923147/senior-green-members-to-quit-over-dragged-out-elizabeth-kerekere-bullying-investigation

■ Did “Multiple members, who had been closely aligned with the party – and had worked closely within the caucus and for MPs”, a whole bunch of party supporters, actually quit?

■ Can anyone explain how the apparent bully, Elizabeth Kerekere, got to be ranked 4th in the List list, earlier in this debacle?

■ And after James Shaw, far back as the Glasgow Climate Change deal, committed New Zealand to seek doing all the carbon sequestering in trees, slash and all that green wall forestry shit, in other peoples countries, isn’t this about three strikes and they are out – don’t vote for the bloody Greens!
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May 6, 2023 9:12am
- Bobba Fret
  
  The Greens are “Revolting” in more ways than one!
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I haven’t decided how I will be voting, other than to guarantee 100% that Labour/Greens will never get my vote, ever. I was a 40 year Labour supporter, if I recall rightly, Helen Clark’s last 18 months or so was when I turned. Couldn’t believe some of the shit she got up to.
  It was no surprise when her protégé Ardern turned out to be another master of deception and lies.
  I even gave the Greens a party vote once, back when Rod and Jeanette led the party. Can’t remember who had pissed me off, but they looked like proper Greens back then. Not the mishmash of ideological clowns and parasites that have taken over that party.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:54am
- Matt Long
  
  Kerekere ascribed the bullying action to other MPs wanting to protect their list place and stay on the gravy train.
  
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  May 6, 2023 12:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

22% cut to Veteran’s Affairs. These people put their life on the line and Joe treats them like shit. Joe hates America.
This will be reversed by Trump. Vets deserve much better. This pisses me off. I know a few Vets in Alaska.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/biden-mocks-republicans-in-latest-row-over-major-spending-cuts-to-veterans/ss-AA1aJvTl
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May 6, 2023 9:12am
- Mike
  
  You seem confused, Steve. The cuts to defense (which includes veterans) spending are being demanded by the republicans. Biden is just pointing that out and suggesting that they find some other excuse to threaten debt default.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The defense is a mess. Who was the wanker who left 82 billion dollars of equipment in Afghanistan?
    I was thinking more along the lines of the 22% affecting Veteran’s welfare. Some of them are in bad shape – PTSD and such. Not just guys either.
    Have a look at Dysfunctional Veterans Farm, run by Mike Rivers. He was a Vet once addicted to drugs and alcohol, PTSD, and homeless. Rivers is a good man helping others now.
    
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    May 6, 2023 12:37pm
john1234

Question 1) Does this Māori “king” have a crown and was it ceremonially placed on his head to mark his ascension?

If no to either, then he has never been the subject of a coronation.

Question 2) Is Tainui or Kīngitanga a sovereign nation? If no, then Tuheia cannot be much of a king. He’s not even the leader of Tainui so wouldn’t even rank “chieftain”.

It’s a load of bullshit and I’m sick of the kowtowing.
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May 6, 2023 9:13am
- Mike
  
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  Are other European monarchs lesser kings because they don’t do coronations?
  The Saxe-Coburg Gothas missed an opportunity to dump a load of pseudo-medieval and offensively sectarian nonsense this time round.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:23am
  - Cassandra
    
    Tuheita claimed he was crowned, not the commenters on this blog. Your obsession with the House of Gotha is tedious.
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:46am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘I’m as British as Queen Victoria .
      
      So your father’s German , you’re half German and you married a German’
      
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      May 6, 2023 12:06pm
  - john1234
    
    The point. Mike, is that there has been outrage and offence expressed that Goff suggested nobody had been to a coronation. The Maori “king” has not been coronated by the definition above, what Goff said is correct.
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:17am
    - Ghost
      
      The outrage is just part of the forever offended, it is very obvious Phil meant to a British coronation, but the forever offended and forever hand out gravy train decided to twist it.
      
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      May 6, 2023 11:31am
    - rjay
      
      Coronated is not a word. The word is “crowned”.
      
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      May 6, 2023 12:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Our te media pardy , constantly attacking our ancient constitutional arrangements , crticising our monarchy and promoting republicanism……..
  
  …….can anyone recall similar towards the maori made up version of a “royal family”.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:34am
I remember when

Who foots the climate bill?: Josie Pagani.
“Better to spend the EV subsidy on working out how to make EV’s cheaper than petrol cars.”

That would be called ‘market forces.’
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May 6, 2023 9:14am
- kowtow
  
  Surely we should all be given a grant to buy pedal cycles , then ban all ice vehicles .
  
  That’ll prevent cyclones , floods , droughts , landslides, toppling trees , coastal erosion , ocean acidification , frog extinction , xxxxxxxx ( here insert your favourite cliamte catastrophe.
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:39am
  - sirknz
    
    I was looking forward to waterfront property after the sea levels rise.
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’ll take a horse if they want to subsidise one for me. It’s only 2km to the golf club.
    
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    May 6, 2023 10:56am
    - kowtow
      
      A lot of folk possibly don’t realise that back in the horse power days a huge amount of land and energy went into growing crops to feed the beasts .
      
      Then we had the wonders of petroleum which must have freed up so much land for food production for people ( and exports ?) making us healthier and richer.
      
      Today we’re going full circle and re dedicating land , not to food production for people , but to farming carbon indulgences so rich folk can go on ‘guilt free’ holidays and other high standard of living luxuries…….
      
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      May 6, 2023 12:15pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        One thing I learned quickly once we decided to move off grid was that there is no such thing as free energy. That energy can’t be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed.
        Our current ICE is as efficient as it has ever been. I don’t have the ability to do all the relevant calculations, but I seriously doubt that once every aspect of resource collection, manufacture, distribution, eventual disposal etc are all factored in, I find it hard to imagine EVs being better for the environment than ICEs.
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:44pm
  - Nickc2
    
    How this faux Religion manages to suck so many people in beats me.
    I’ve been labouring under the impression that people like University Professors, Prime Ministers, and learned Judges were more intelligent than me by far. However, some if not most of them have jumped on today’s faux Reigion (aka Man Made Climate Change) Band Wagon.
    Why is this so? Is there something in for them I’ve overlooked?
    PS: Why would you actively want to destroy a country like NZ’s Economy, donate Taxpayer money to said faux Religion, and legislate to punish others who aren’t so sucked in by faux Religions.
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:55am
    - Burtland
      
      Climate change is a cleverly crafted trough for climate scientists – even more clever is the use of cancellation to defend it. Its like something out of Blackadder.
      
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      May 6, 2023 4:36pm
Maggie Pie

My partner posts vid from the west side of the Waikato @ 6:30 am….

https://youtu.be/0fZ_ySyXA4s
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May 6, 2023 9:15am
Inandout

There is something terribly wrong with present day Chicago.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/05/04/reporter-banned-from-upscale-chicago-hotel-filled-with-migrants-clashes-with-management-1355942/
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May 6, 2023 9:15am
KH

Let’s go with the Treaty of Waitangi which says we are all one people under the Crown. Only one Crown.
Therefore the idea of a Maori King is absurd. Much like the sad mad guy who parades around Dunedin in a cape and crown.
It’s against tikanga to claim there is a maori king.
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May 6, 2023 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  Let’s not go with the treaty of waitangi at all.
  
  Let’s go with the letters patent .
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:43am
  - KH
    
    I think you missed the sarcasm. But yes. There are important things well beyond the Treaty.
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett discusses radicals:

Ardern gave Maori radicals free range from late 2020. She was woefully ignorant of her country’s history and was conned into the notion that it was “fair” that Maori should be given paramount status in our country, and that the whole process was certain to improve Maori lives, and solve any disadvantages they suffered.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-1
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May 6, 2023 9:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The cunning Maori elites would have fawned all over the narcissist Ardern and she would have loved it. She would have rolled over every time they massaged her ego and acceded to everything they asked for.
  Sure I dislike her, she is someone who has destroyed NZ. A narcissistic fake and a fraud and an intellectual lightweight, so far out of her depth it was embarrassing.
  A dress up, pull the string, toy politician who was
  eventually exposed as the nothing she is.
  
  She caused this.
  
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  May 6, 2023 12:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She knows she caused this. The signals came her way, and she somehow started to understand them.
    That is why she RAN!
    
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    May 6, 2023 2:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hopefully the younger Kiwis will make sure it never happens again, even long after I am gone. Unless this socialist tyranny really catches on – is that what future Kiwis want in 20 years?
    
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    May 6, 2023 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

1ZB REPORTS

Man jailed for vicious attack on Lawyer…..

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1654596831559688193
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May 6, 2023 9:34am
- Maggie Pie
  
  A bestie replies…
  
  https://twitter.com/MeusliC/status/1649242119712960513
  
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  May 6, 2023 9:52am
Tauhei Notts

For about a year now I have been able to watch Colonel Douglas Macgregor’s wonderful insightful comments on the Ukraine situation on YouTube.
I recommend his chats to Kiwiblog readers.
There is something about the man that suggests he possesses a degree of honesty that is sadly lacking in our main stream media.
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May 6, 2023 9:34am
- All_on_Red
  
  Umm, this article from 3/22 lists many of McGregors claims;
  ‘As the war in Ukraine continues into its fourth week, here’s a look at some of the comments Macgregor has made since the start of the conflict’.
  
  “If they don’t surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them.”
  
  Speaking to Fox News three days after the Ukraine invasion began, Macgregor suggested that the conflict was already nearing an end:” The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over, all of the Ukrainian troops there have been largely surrounded and cut off. You have a concentration down in the Southeast of 30 or 40,000 of them, and if they don’t surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them.”
  https://www.newsweek.com/what-putin-wing-ex-colonel-douglas-macgregor-has-said-about-ukraine-war-1689802
  Yet, here we are over a year later and Russia cant make any progress. In Bahkmut (which they cant take) the Head of Wagner is now publicly complaining about not having enough ammunition and that the equipment is rubbish.
  I still think that Russia have the edge but its been amazing to see how high Military equipment has been such a force mulitplier for Ukraine.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    McGregor was speaking on the basis that it was Russia v Ukraine. It isn’t and never was. It’s Russia v the US and NATO in a proxy war waged to destroy Russia. All Ukraine is doing is filling the body bags and leasing their flag.
    
    The Americans learned a lot from Vietnam. The folks back home don’t like the reality of war, best to keep it on the TV and ‘over there’.
    
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    May 6, 2023 12:27pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Clan if it were a war to destroy Russia, would their be attacks on Russian targets inside Russia?
      It may be an attempt to weaken or contain Russia but destroy them, probably not.
      
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      May 6, 2023 12:42pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Matt Long – I believe it’s their long term goal. I might be wrong, but studying events since the end of WW2 it seems to be the natural progression.
        When the Berlin Wall came down we thought that was the end of the cold war. The US and NATO had said they wouldn’t encroach a single inch towards Russia. Now they are on their border.
        It might be all just coincidental but I doubt it.
        
        Russia is a threat that they can’t overthrow as simply as they do with other countries.
        Don’t know if you’ve ever read Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins?
        
        Here’s a summary of it in a short animation.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RozOiZAK9lQ
        
        We live in interesting times. I hope the US come to their senses soon and get Ukraine to sue for peace, for all our sakes.
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:50pm
I remember when

KiwiRail apologise – again!
What do they think they are? The government?
Oh no, that’s right, they have apologised.
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May 6, 2023 9:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Why do socialists no longer talk about Venezuela?
Don’t answer now – just go away and have a little think
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May 6, 2023 10:02am
- Ra Henare
  
  and while you are thinking.
  Check the US attempts to economically destroy Venezuela in another attempt at regime change.
  
  Sneakly little blighters the US deep state…
  
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  May 6, 2023 5:28pm
Taieri

Imagine Stuff or NZ Herald publishing this:

https://quillette.com/2023/05/04/fictionalizing-indigenous-history-in-the-name-of-gender-activism/
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May 6, 2023 10:02am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  That Maori language is a living language that changes from year to year.
  Dollimore’s New Zealand Guide published in 1962 says that Whakatane means “to stand up as a man.”
  The 2023 Quillette site says that Whakatane means a transgender man.
  
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  May 6, 2023 11:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “A Dictionary of Maori Place Names” places the meaning of Whakatane close to that of the Quillette article…
    
    Whakatane – To play the man
    
    It tells the tale of a chief’s daughter who saved a canoe by taking a line ashore …and saying the words:
    “me whakatane au i au”…… (I shall act like a man).
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:39am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      The canoe was the Mataatua. Wairaka was the woman who saved it. She exclaimed;
      “Kia Whakatane ake ahau”, which was translated as ” I ‘ll stand up as a man.”
      
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      May 6, 2023 7:39pm
- nathie
  
  Wow thank you for posting that, it needs to be read far and wide.
  
  The author clearly and concisely lays out how wrong it is for transgender activists to be rewriting culture and disrespecting Wahine in doing so, in fact the likes of the MSM and political parties like Labour and Greens ought to stop and listen in order to stop their cancellation (and negative misrepresentation) of Women’s and Girl’s legitimate concerns of being taken over and subjugated by the trans radicals and activists.
  
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  May 6, 2023 2:02pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: The New Face of Marxism
“It’s a suicide note to the World”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-the-new-face-of-marxism?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 6, 2023 10:14am
I remember when

The latest Labour government tourism adventure.
Travel by rail!
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May 6, 2023 10:14am
- kowtow
  
  Realistically they are promoting “Staycations”
  
  You can’t get anywhere these days .
  
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  May 6, 2023 11:59am
Maggie Pie

WORTH SHARING

Further to my GD post yesterday regarding Jeffery Epstein still being alive…..further proof here if it’s required.

https://twitter.com/CBKNEWS121/status/1654303130023079936

He’s now believed to be residing in Israel under Mossad protection.
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May 6, 2023 10:20am
- Che Guava
  
  This wouldn’t surprise me. He was (still is?) Jewish, his former girlfriend Ghislaine is Jewish, and her father Robert Maxwell (aka Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch) was a lifelong Mossad agent who is buried in Israel.
  
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  May 6, 2023 10:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP…you have a good handle on the whole affair as well Che.
    
    Still nothing more about the ‘visitors’ to his Island (known to his friends as Little St. Jeffs)….Billy Clinton, Randy Andy, Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, et al.
    Wonder why?
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:05am
    - Che Guava
      
      Gotta keep those high-up goys on a short leash (sometimes, quite literally I suspect).
      
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      May 6, 2023 11:22am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, you mention Hawking, the one wheelchair bound, with artificial voice and unable to move unassisted? The mind boggles as to why he would visit Love Island, but I guess nothing is new under the sun.
      
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      May 6, 2023 12:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sex-slave-claims-hawking-was-guest-of-epstein/VZJJLTEKZKZSDG7KPQYA47JZIU/
        
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        May 6, 2023 12:31pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        YIP, YIP! Certainly nothing unusual about it I&O.
        
        Even the Government promotes a Brothel in the Tron that caters to men with disabilities. In fact all those establishments are required by law to provide wheelchair access. You can watch a video.
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/330899/sexual-services-for-those-with-disabilities
        
        And TBF….their sexual desires are probably not a lot different to yours or my partner.
        
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        May 6, 2023 1:04pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s really interesting isn’t it? The whole Epstein scenario of powerful and influential people being ensnared in a honey trap or similar, creating a dossier of evidence implicating them in nefarious activity that can be used to control them.
  
  This week sees Tucker Carlson apparently having his secretly recorded private conversations being released in an attempt to destroy his reputation.
  
  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/fox-media-matters-leaked-tucker-carlson-videos
  
  This time another media mogul, Rupert Murdoch apparently behind it.
  
  The whole ‘cabal of evil billionaires controlling puppets in government’ conspiracy theory gains traction by the day.
  The attacks on Carlson are backfiring though.
  
  https://youtu.be/pY4rTI-H8X8
  
  His ‘crime’ is telling the truth and not toeing the controlled narrative line. So he’s being attacked.
  Same as is happening to Matt Taibbi. The same has happened to anyone daring oppose the covid narrative in the last 3 years.
  
  NZ and Canada have been the most oppressive countries in the world for this. They have made North Korea look liberal. Our media are a laughing stock. David Fisher at the Herald wrote a pile of steaming dog poo yesterday that exemplifies the extreme propaganda that we are bombarded with on a daily basis.
  He had the lot in there, “dangerous”, “violent”, “misogynist”, “far right nazis”, “transphobic” etc etc.
  The aptly named “Disinformation Project” featured prominently. The word salad was a masterclass of bullshittery to the point of being laughable.
  He managed to somehow tie all of this to the women at Voices for Freedom and Chantelle Baker. He is their ‘senior’ writer. It’s as dangerous as it is pathetic.
  
  I think https://realitycheck.radio/ are starting to make their mark. They hit 100,000 listeners this week. Their recorded, excellent interviews with outstanding contributors have been listened to millions of times. They are a threat, hence the coordinated attacks on them.
  
  ‘Speaking truth to power’ comes with a price these days. We are lucky to have this outlet to give us some access to real conversation and debate.
  Along with KB of course.
  
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  May 6, 2023 11:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Talking of the moguls , it can’t be stated often enough .It is no ‘crazy conspiracy’. Time Magazine covered it proudly under an article ‘The Secret History of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election”.
    
    A coalition of labour unions , big business , activists ,funded by hundreds of millions of $ from tech billionaires such as Zuckerberg.
    
    “In November 2019, Mark Zuckerberg invited nine civil rights leaders to dinner at his home, where they warned him about the danger of the election-related falsehoods that were already spreading unchecked. “It took pushing, urging, conversations, brainstorming, all of that to get to a place where we ended up with more rigorous rules and enforcement,” says Vanita Gupta, president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, who attended the dinner and also met with Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and others. ”
    
    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
    
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    May 6, 2023 11:56am
- Ra Henare
  
  Yep, he is sharing the same Villa as Elvis and a team of PR experts.
  
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  May 6, 2023 5:30pm
I remember when

Bryce Edwards:
“New Zealand has a history of politicians leaving governments and switching parties……
and it’s always been for very principled reasons after a long time when these politicians have tried to change their parties from within…..”
It is interesting that two Maori politicians, both of whom have had suggested staff bullying issues, have left their parties at the same time.
Both after a period of absence from parliament.
The question that does not seem to have been broached, so far, is whether it is two disgruntled Maori members or a more organised Maori plan.
Have the Hipkins policy reversals spooked Maori who expected continuing advancement of their co-governance roles?
Would increased seats for Ti Pati Maori increase the Maori influence of Leftwing policy.
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May 6, 2023 11:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Labour are currently weak as water politically. Damaged goods and it isn’t going to improve anytime soon.
  This does smell of a planned move. Worth keeping an eye on. If it is as suggested then it will be better for all of us. People will see the reality of the subterfuge going on in what appears to be a racist shift in NZ.
  
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  May 6, 2023 11:29am
ClanMcleod

Another covid czar resigns, job done. Here’s your money. Go and relax.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-resigns/

It’s been an amazing parade of so called ‘experts’ and politicians who became prominent as they drove the covid hysteria, then put to pasture once they passed their use by date.

Hancock
Bojo
Ardern
Bloomfield
Fauci
Walensky

Job done.
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May 6, 2023 12:05pm
Maggie Pie

HERE’S SOMETHING I NEVER KNEW…

Just been preparing lunch and listening to the travel guy on ZB. He’s making his way around Cambodia and experiencing the delights of the local cuisine.

He described one of the faves he tried….pan-fried Duck’s Uterus.

It sounded delish!

I txt my partner to keep an eye for any when the boys start plucking.
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May 6, 2023 12:08pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Here I am in Siem Reap enjoying the sunny days( what idiot would travel around Cambodia in the hottest month??) While NZ is loving all the storms and rain.
  
  Obviously the locals winding up a foreigner.
  Just remember Maggie, dont believe all you read, hear, see on NZ Media.
  
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  May 6, 2023 5:35pm
  - Ghost
    
    What storms and rain? No storms or flooding down here, beautiful clear days.
    
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    May 6, 2023 5:56pm
Jack5

Peeking over the Herald pay wall, I found in the Friday edition Matthew Hooton blaming the MMP electoral system for the platitudes of Hipkins and Luxon.

Have to agree that the coalition-government entailed by MMP is rooting the country.

A smidgen of Hooten’s view:

“The overwhelming majority of New Zealanders will be furious if the likes of Tamihere [Maori Party president], Manji [Raf Manji, Opportunities Party] or Peters again decide the election. But we shouldn’t make it personal. They’re just playing MMP the way its rules encourage.”

Hooton suggests Japanese style single transferable vote as a better electoral system.

Regardless, as Hooton writes, MMP is a failed experiment.
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May 6, 2023 12:22pm
- rouppe
  
  I voted for STP during the referendum. But there was an overwhelming campaign on the state owned television for MMP
  
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  May 6, 2023 1:32pm
Ghost

Retired senior British Army Officer Major General Rupert Jones, Britain’s military would run out of ammunition within 22 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-EjkktpLS4
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May 6, 2023 12:26pm
- Jack5
  
  The web site Global Firepower for 2023 ranks Britain No. 5 in international fire power after the United Sates, Russia, China, and India.
  
  An interesting browsing spot for military enthusiasts:
  
  https://www.globalfirepower.com/
  
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  May 6, 2023 12:59pm
  - Ghost
    
    We’re ranked 103, who knew we could be so high with our old crap. Interesting to see the countries rated higher than us.
    
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    May 6, 2023 1:07pm
- rouppe
  
  Yes, well, the proliferation of automatic weapons had led to that.
  
  How many times do you see someone behind a wall, just lifting the rifle over their heads and spraying a full mag indiscriminately in the general direction…
  
  Vietnam, helicopters flying over jungle spraying belts and belts of .30 calibre fire…
  
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  May 6, 2023 1:30pm
ClanMcleod

Great news! The unelected, former con artist and supporter of terrorism currently leading the WHO has declared that the pandemic is no longer an emergency!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-who-downgrades-pandemic-says-its-no-longer-emergency/TMM2XDR72BD7BBRBU5D75XQZMA/

He lamented the damage that Covid-19 had done to the global community, saying the pandemic had shattered businesses, exacerbated political divisions, led to the spread of misinformation and plunged millions into poverty.

No, the pandemic did none of these things, the disastrously inappropriate, coordinated responses of world governments, following the lead of the WHO, a once noble concept, now corrupt and funded dubiously by vested interests is what caused all of these things.
Never let anyone get away with defending their cock ups by saying “but covid…….”. Just stop them and say no very firmly.
Covid did nothing. The responses caused the destruction.

The head of the World Health Organization, in charge of making life or death decisions on a grand scale, has been accused of covering up cholera epidemics, supporting a terrorist organization and inflating his resume to claim he conquered malaria and HIV.
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May 6, 2023 12:38pm
Matt Long

No wonder folks are upset, I’m offended by images of Ardern too.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/auckland-rotary-club-apologises-over-images-of-former-pm-jacinda-ardern-s-face-on-toilet-seat/
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May 6, 2023 12:51pm
- Ghost
  
  I’m sure this has happened before with other people’s faces. Bit of fun, they shouldn’t apologise.
  
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  May 6, 2023 1:01pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Meh. A long tradition. When the Union took control of Louisiana during the Civil War they put one of their generals, Benjamin Butler, in charge of the city, and the locals came to hate his guts, calling him “Beast” Butler and putting images of him on chamber pots..
  
  I always laugh at the order he gave after a number of Confederate ladies poured the contents of chamber pots on the heads of Confederate soldiers walking on the streets:
  
  As the officers and soldiers of the United States have been subject to repeated insults from the women (calling themselves ladies) of New Orleans in return for the most scrupulous non-interference and courtesy on our part, it is ordered that hereafter when any female shall by word, gesture, or movement insult or show contempt for any officer or soldier of the United States she shall be regarded and held liable to be treated as a woman of the town plying her…. avocation.
  
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  May 6, 2023 3:16pm
- Aquarius
  
  (Mod – we don’t make jokes on politicians appearance)
  
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  May 6, 2023 3:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/colonialism-was-a-lotto-win-for-maori-no-apology-needed-from-king-charles/
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May 6, 2023 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From Stop Co-Governance blog today.
  
  What a profound little paragraph….
  Stated way back in 1931 and it says it all.
  
  “You can not legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because someone else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
  
  Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931.
  
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  May 6, 2023 1:24pm
Ghost

We Live in Cold Times

Jørgen Peder Steffensen is a professor in ice core related research at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen. Using ice core date, his team has reconstructed the last 10,000 years of climate history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE0zHZPQJzA
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May 6, 2023 1:10pm
Ghost

Paywalled article. A mental health patient had to wait 94 hours in ED because there were no bed in the psychiatric ward. What happened to all that money Andrew Little.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/94-hours-in-ae-doctor-raises-alarm-about-longest-ever-wait-for-bed-at-auckland-hospital/74FRGC33MRE3FAKQ445BHVUTLM/
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May 6, 2023 1:22pm
Maggie Pie

Wait a mo….who does this arrogant **** think he is?

“I can assure you ‘Te Pati Maori’ will be kingmaker come October”

– Rawiri Waititi (TV3)
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May 6, 2023 1:42pm
- kowtow
  
  The rest of NZ needs to wake up and give enough of a vote to Act / Nat to make sure it hasn’t got the slightest chance .
  
  Otherwise the place will be even more f#@ked over than it is now.
  
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  May 6, 2023 3:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP…that’s one thing everybody I know agrees on as well kt!
    
    https://twitter.com/Julie_nzkiwi/status/1654375459709399040
    
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    May 6, 2023 3:44pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  And according them them we all know their genetics are better than ours (or something like that).
  
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  May 7, 2023 4:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He thinks he is the new Winston Peters, hat and all. Look at me!
  
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  May 7, 2023 6:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Marama Davidson and James Shaw admit they are useless.

In a media conference, the co-leaders indicated they were aware of allegations surrounding Kerekere before the text about Swarbrick was sent.

If they had any awareness that Elizabeth Kerekere was not abiding by the Green Code of Conduct, then they should have dealt with the manner much earlier.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/489387/watch-green-party-co-leaders-respond-to-resignation-of-mp-elizabeth-kerekere
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May 6, 2023 2:49pm
Maggie Pie

CATHARTIC ART 😀 😀 😀

I really love Bob Moran. Hands down he’s my fave cartoonist.

Been nearly ‘half-a-million views’ on his latest one already!

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1654522643133898752

(You can even buy a signed-print off Bob’s site if you want)
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May 6, 2023 3:02pm
- [email protected]
  
  I didn’t think that cartoon was in good taste but clicking on your link did lead me to find a very interesting video with Mr. Kennedy quizing the US energy secretary about global warming and the cost to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050.
  
  The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9N8Y67LYcw
  
  Worth watching. The little weasel will not, or cannot, answer the simple question of how much the USA can reduce world temperatures if they spend $US 50 trillion dollars by 2050.
  
  I am really getting to like Mr. Kennedy.
  
  A lot of that money is going to get the right people very rich.
  
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  May 6, 2023 6:12pm
- Scooter
  
  Thanks Maggie, I hadn’t heard of this guy but he did this one of OFL (our former leader)
  
  https://www.instagram.com/p/CnptcU2tfh1/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
  
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  May 7, 2023 6:12am
greybeard

Hopefully this will be the last game Walker-Leawere plays for the Hurricanes.
What a tosser.
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May 6, 2023 4:02pm
- Prince
  
  Same for J Savea. Yes, 2 tries. And 2 against as he drifts inside on defence. Plus half a dozen dropped balls.
  This was old-time Canes – something I hoped they had left behind.
  
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  May 6, 2023 4:05pm
Prince

More Kiwis needing wrap-around services in Wellington.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300871470/watch-wellington-jewellery-store-targeted-in-brazen-daylight-smashandgrab-robbery
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May 6, 2023 4:03pm
Maggie Pie

And see Sky are saying Price Harry has been relegated to the third-row in the coronation seating plan…..directly behind The Hosk.
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May 6, 2023 4:10pm
Chris Nisbet

What’s happened to Huntly power station’s generation capacity?
I thought it was something like 1000MW
https://www.genesisenergy.co.nz/about/generation/huntly-power-station
but Transpower have it listed as 750MW capacity
on its live data page…
https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data

Is this just temporary, due to maintenance or something?
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May 7, 2023 6:52am
- [email protected]
  
  Can someone tell me what “liquid” means on the live data page?
  
  Also, there is no “solar” listed on that page. Thought that there was solar already working.
  
  There are about 46,000 home solar Installations in New Zealand which. The average size of these installations is 5.7 KW. So, on average, can create about 260 MW per hour or 900 MW per day. Those don’t seem to be listed either.
  
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  May 7, 2023 7:58am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Liquid means diesel.
    
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    May 7, 2023 4:52pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Home solar wouldn’t be counted because the page is telling us about transpower generation. Home solar would reduce the amount of power other generation would need to come up with.
    The 260MW figure would only happen if all houses were producing their maximum, which I doubt would happen very often. I’m not sure there is an easy way to tell how much rooftop solar is contributing as it just means that the homes they’re installed in just draw less power.
    You seem to be confusing rates and amounts. The transpower page displays the rate power is being produced, not the total MWhr. Rooftop solar might produce 900MWhr per day, but the maximum rate would still only be 260MW.
    
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    May 7, 2023 5:07pm
    - [email protected]
      
      Thanks for the information Chris.
      
      Hopefully as home solar becomes more mainstream it gets a mention somewhere how much energy it creates real-time.
      
      900 MWh per day is a relative conservative estimate assuming only 3.5 hours of maximum output per day.
      
      There are rainy days where our system produces very little but good days where our 5.3 Kw array produces 32+ Kwh.
      
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      May 7, 2023 6:26pm

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