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krazykiwi

For anyone who, like me, has spent time researching the pandemic from virus, to lockdowns, to ‘vaccines’ it should come as no surprise that we appear to be living in parallel universes. In one universe we have authorities that pushed draconian interventions on the public, in contravention of almost every principle of medical ethics and civil liberties pressing on like nothing needs remediation, and in the other universe we have a tsunami of evidence of harm not just from independent sources, but also under duress via culpable actors like Pfizer.

These universes showcase doublespeak in our public health discourse.

The latest from Pfizer is a document outlining reported adverse events (‘AE’s) recorded worldwide between the vaccine rollout and 18th June, 2022. This document is a ‘post marketing’ study whereby AE are recorded in the general population, ie people who have received the ‘vaccine’, having first been fire-hosed with the assertion that this vaccine was Safe And Effective™. This study is dated 21st June, 2022, and it details:

♦ 508,351 individual case reports of adverse events containing 1,597,673 events;

♦ One-third of the AEs were classified as serious, well above the standard for safety signals usually pegged at 15%;

♦ Women reported AEs at three times the rate of men;

♦ 60% of cases were reported with either “outcome unknown” or “not recovered,” so many of the injuries were not transient.

A 393-page appendix to this study was recently released under court order, and it details millions of AEs covering almost every organ in the body. Remember, all this data was known to Pfizer throughout the ‘vaccine’ rollout and setting aside the outright fraud of their clinical trials, there were enough AEs evident in the early days of 2022 to have this ugly experiment on the human population immediately stopped.

But on it went, and stunningly it continues to this day in much the same way as did Hiroo Onoda, the Japanese soldier who stayed in the jungle and at war for 29 years after hostilities ceased.

Which NZ-based health authorities continue to live in the jungle? Here are some helpful quotes

♦ “You can get the Pfizer vaccine at any stage of your pregnancy. The vaccine protects you as you are far less likely to fall seriously ill, and can also protect your baby. There is no evidence that the vaccine is associated with an increased risk of miscarriage during pregnancy. No additional safety concerns have been raised” (covid19.govt.nz, Covid19.govt.nz)
kk: This is manifestly untrue. Pfizer’s own data shows 178,000 cases of reproductive or breast disorders. There is strong evidence of birthrate reductions across ‘vaccinated’ nations, this example from Hungary being a particularly interesting case study.

♦ “The vaccine is safe. Medsafe … make sure medicine is safe to use by looking at all of the research and information from around the world. Medsafe have gone through this with the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine and they have said that it is safe to use” (Connolly Street Medical)
kk: Medsafe patently DID NOT ‘go through’ Pfizer’s ‘vaccine’ research. No regulatory body could do that and still cling to the Safe and Effective™ dogma

♦ “Having COVID-19 does not provide the same level of immunity as getting vaccinated” (Covid19.govt.nz)
kk: This is a lie, and has been repeatedly proven so.

♦ “We know it is a lot harder for the virus to spread between people who are vaccinated” (covid19.govt.nz)
kk: Another lie

There are so many more statements like these, and they exist despite voluminous evidence to the contrary. This renders New Zealand’s health advice in respect of Covid-19 ‘vaccinations’ a toxic sludge of misinformation, inaccuracies, and outright lies.
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June 17, 2023 8:01am
- kevn
  
  In NZ ‘they’ give ‘them’ gongs and accolades. Is this the reward for the endless untruths aka lies?
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:20am
- NK
  
  Love your work kk.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:28am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “Having COVID-19 does not provide the same level of immunity as getting vaccinated”.
  Well, maybe not a lie. The claim doesn’t appear to be that ‘vaccination’ is better, just that the two levels of immunity are different. What we’re looking at right there could just as well be an admission that natural immunity is better.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:29am
  - Gaetano
    
    Aside from the safety issues, no “vaccine” in history has resulted in most of the vaccinated becoming infected. The golden age of vaccine development post WW2 was miraculous, starting with the polio vaccine.
    
    Imagine if the polio vaccine was marketed as “you will only get partially paralysed after taking our vaccine” 😳. No, the vaccine killed polio stone dead and side effects of the vaccine were extremely rare.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:08am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      But, ‘vaccine’ has been helpfully expanded in definition.
      
      It’s more diverse, you see.
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:14am
      - Gaetano
        
        Maybe a vaccine is now any treatment that identifies as a vaccine ☹️
        
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        June 17, 2023 9:46am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Apparently this ‘vaccine’ increases your risk of catching covid.
      
      https://open.substack.com/pub/igorchudov/p/being-up-to-date-on-covid-vaccines?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=11s70p
      
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      June 17, 2023 12:03pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Chris Nisbet – it’s a great example of misinformation and without doubt, it is intended to make the reader believe that vaccination is superior. That’s not a mistake. It’s intentionally misleading.
    
    Apart from that, it’s a lie because it’s now proven that the more you vaccinated, the more prone you are to getting covid, and no, the vaccines don’t reduce symptoms or your chance of hospitalisation. That’s another lie.
    
    A brand-new study from the Cleveland Clinic is out. And it found something we already knew: Covid vaccines increase the chances of getting Covid instead of being protective.
    
    https://open.substack.com/pub/igorchudov/p/being-up-to-date-on-covid-vaccines?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=11s70p
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I probably had Covid and did not even know – being reasonably fit and healthy. I feel that being forced/blackmailed into two vaccinations probably destroyed ant natural antibodies I ever had.
    What right did Ardern, the Govt, and the ‘experts’ have to interfere with my body??
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Steve – so many things to take in, isn’t it amazing that there is a disease so deadly, you have to test to see if you’ve got it? Oh, and a test that is utterly unreliable!!
      
      They looked after us so well……//
      
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      June 17, 2023 12:43pm
  - cmm
    
    It is a statement intended to deceive.
    ie, a lie.
    
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    June 17, 2023 12:23pm
  - Mr A Coates
    
    You might want to look into the difference between systemic immunity and mucosal immunity. Vaccines provide none of the latter, while infections provide both. It’s why immunologists say acquired infection provides broader immunity than even traditional attenuated vaccines, let alone the mRNA ones we were subjected to. Arguably, Pfizer Comirnaty does not even meet the threshold for a vaccine, being more like a transfection agent.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Women reported AEs at three times the rate of Men.
  Well there you have it Girls and Boys, if you want to define what a Woman is, just ask a vaccine manufacturer!
  Seriously kk, thanks for this. The list of lies is welcome, but who is responsible? The liars, or those repeating the lies?
  The reproductive and breast problems, along with pregnancy issues is disturbing. Is the Prime Minister ultimately the main culprit? If so, no wonder she ran. Like a kid that broke something, runs away, and says ‘it wasn’t me.’
  
  The lack of questioning by NZ authorities needs to be looked at. Who exactly are these people who forced/blackmailed us into taking something that was untested? It makes me angry that they got away with it without any fault.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:37am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzh.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:40am
  - Gaetano
    
    Seriously?
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:09am
    - RightNow
      
      Classic Brian 😆
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:12am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That’s response from Brian sums up the attitude of everyone in government and the health system who fanatically drove and supported this madness.
        
        “We were wrong, stop talking about this, I want it to go away, let me sleeeeeeeeeppppp, please!! Stop talking about it!! Make it go away!!”
        
        No.
        
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        June 17, 2023 12:46pm
    - Tarquin North
      
      Another insightful witty comment from brainless Btian.
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Brain, if you are tired, go back to sleep. Nobody is stopping you. You can close Kiwiblog.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:36am
  - Che Guava
    
    Good argument, Brian. You must have really racked your brains to come up with that nugget.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:37am
- Grunter
  
  Very good post KK. Parallel universe sums it. Excess deaths continue each week and is totally ignored by WHO, UN, Govt’s, health officials, most Doctors, and of course the MSM. Never before have we faced a tsunami of deaths that is completely ignored. Very seriously so Pharked up!
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:03am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The UK Covid Inquiry is underway. Counsel for the Inquiry has said that the UK Government panicked, put too much weight on the medical advice without questioning it, didnt look for alternatives to lockdowns and then panicked some more.
  I say the same applied in NZ. In addition the Ardern administration saw Covid as an opportunity to experiment as to how far a Government can go in taking away its citizens freedom. Their MO was to scare the bejesus out of the citizens telling them they would die unless they shut themselves away.
  We the citizens showed how easy we are conned into giving up our freedom and not questioning the Government.
  Governments now know they can pull the same trick again and as long as they scare the bejesus out of enough citizens it will work.
  I despair at the gulibility of my fellow citizens.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:08am
- wreck1080
  
  [Mod – debate without making it personal]
  
  The debate is already done, you lost. No number of fellow conspiracist upticks will change the fact.
  
  What you can argue, are the lock downs , mandates, border control, and the government’s vaccine rollout (which was an incompetent mess).
  
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  June 17, 2023 11:28am
  - krazykiwi
    
    We have the most deadly ‘vaccine’ in the history of medicine, with evidence of fraud, malfeasance, corruption and harm literally lying around in pain sight … and the best you can muster is “The debate is already done, you lost” while labeling me a “conspiracist”
    
    Seriously? Have you been living under a rock these past three years?
    
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    June 17, 2023 12:10pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s classic denial. They fully understand what has happened and are fully aware that they were the enablers of possibly the worst preventable crime against humanity in history. They are complicit and they don’t like that fact.
      
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      June 17, 2023 12:50pm
      - mawm
        
        They are also probably fearful. They do not know what harms might occur as a result of taking this vaccine.
        
        We know about excess deaths and John Campbell has a video up detailing the Australian data with respect to heart deaths. We are most likely in the same boat. As a public service I’m posting the link so that the ‘denialists’ know to seek immediate health care if they present with any cardiac symptoms especially those newly acquired. My brother is alive thanks to an alert paramedic neighbour. Unfortunately the damage to the muscle in his left ventricle is extensive and he is in incipient heart failure.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxIug6k1mso
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:55pm
      - Phronesis
        
        Unfortunately “they” is damn near everyone in the establishment. There’s an awful lot of self serving reasoning along the lines of “we can’t admit we got it so wrong because if the public trust in us is undermined then many more people will die…”
        
        It’s not an entirely unreasonable argument, and when it allows you to avoid culpability for your very serious mistakes, it’s also a very attractive argument.
        
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        June 17, 2023 3:04pm
      - miltonF
        
        Exactly. Wreck1080 would have been one of those who virtuously jumped on the bandwagon, denigrating people with concerns as “conspiracy theorists” while gleefully scanning their vax passes, knowing full well that they were participating in an authoritarian system designed to remove people’s inalienable freedoms and human rights.
        
        Some people were so donkey deep in the scam. They now feel very much responsible for the outcomes and can only deny deny deny.
        
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        June 17, 2023 4:14pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  This sounds like a perfect job for the Disinformation Project. I expect they’ll be all over this like a cheap suit, holding the Government to account and exposing their lies and machinations.
  
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  June 17, 2023 12:50pm
- alphabeatrium
  
  Honestly, like I’m pretty much on your side. I despised lockdowns. I was sceptical of vaccines because of the novel tech involved, and was appalled by the mandates. I got two shots through gritted teeth. But can you people just stop shoehorning it into KB comments every day? No one talks about this anymore except the extremely deranged.
  
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  June 17, 2023 3:15pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Just scroll if it’s not of interest. That said, the “I’m bored with this” is presumptive capitulation in advance of the next assault on your bodily sovereignty. You mightn’t care, but I do on your behalf. You’re welcome.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:19pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    This will never be over until it is acknowledged and there is some level of accountability.
    You want to forget about possibly the greatest act of malfeasance by a government in history?
    No.
    
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    June 18, 2023 9:27am
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Today marks 180 years since the Wairau affray, the first serious violent clash between Pākehā and Māori since the Treaty was signed and the British declared sovereignty.
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June 17, 2023 8:03am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The British didn’t “declare” sovereignty Mike, Maori ceded it.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, I corrected Mike below. I did not see your comment.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:54am
  - kowtow
    
    And once upon a time it was described as a “massacre ” , not affray, as so many of the NZ Company men were murdered after they had surrendered.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:03am
- Cassandra
  
  To which the chiefs agreed, all over the country and particularly at Kohimarama. Don’t rewrite history. This sovereignty rapihi is a modern invention.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:08am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    As is making up words to sound like the cool kids – such as rapihi for example.
    
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    June 17, 2023 12:58pm
- emmess
  
  I didn’t ask
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:14am
- Che Guava
  
  Who cares?
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We care about Mike writing rubbish that could be taken as Gospel.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sovereignty of those who ceded Sovereignty to the Queen.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:39am
NeverMindTheBollocks

That Meng, eh. What a scamp!
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June 17, 2023 8:03am
- John Loveridge
  
  Foon was by far the worst in a series of increasingly dreadful commissioners who did nothing but hector white people about how nasty they are. Very little “conciliation” apparent, which may be why the position was renamed.
  
  On top of all this he appears to be as thick as the proverbial, with a hide to match.
  
  I hold out no hope for his replacement. It’s unlikely a true conciliator will be appointed. The successor will sit through further race-based separatism and dismantling of democracy. Perhaps it’s time to dismantle the whole useless office.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:47am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    he appears to be as thick as the proverbial,
    
    Meng knew he was going to be dumped as Mayor of Gisborne….. (for reasons), but looks like he had time to put plan B into action
    
    Many have told me there is a life after the mayor … one door closes and another door opens.”
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/384734/gisborne-mayor-meng-foon-steps-down-after-18-years
    
    He’s done alright for the last few years.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    For the replacement I nominate Tukuroirangi Morgan.
    We will get the same thing.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:59am
    - Sponge
      
      My guess is Hone Harawira.
      
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      June 17, 2023 11:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maybe both could be co-penises of Race Relations Conciliator?
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:12pm
    - Paulus
      
      Tuku has much larger Underpants than Meng so will cost more.
      
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      June 17, 2023 1:54pm
- 3-coil
  
  NMTB: Meng Foon’s been a dodgy sleazebag since his days owning the pokie bars back in the ‘90s.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:51am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300906560/steven-taiatini-beat-a-meth-addiction-and-was-helping-others-friend-says-only-to-lose-his-life-on-the-streets-of-opotiki
Who cares ?
Why has this article been printed at all ?
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June 17, 2023 8:05am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  If Steven Taiatini had truly changed his life then he would have quit the Mob.
  
  Everything else is whitewash.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:11am
  - Che Guava
    
    He was a good boy, he dindu nuffin.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:41am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      ….loved his mother…. turned his life around….. only a little bit of a gang-banger scumbag these days.
      
      Why is the MSM writing panegyrics for criminal scum?
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:20am
      - sirknz
        
        PIJF money. They need to be in good stead for covering next week’s Labour shenanigans.
        
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        June 17, 2023 11:31am
    - kisekiman
      
      His Nan said he was always such a good kid.
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:22am
- Mike
  
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  Purely to enrage you, it seems.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:13am
  - Grunter
    
    [Mod – deleted, don’t do that again]
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:26am
- Dougal10
  
  Because he was a shoe in as a list mp for the maori party with a cv like that //
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:28am
- Ruahine
  
  Gangs are basically Labour supporters.
  Stuff is a Labour propaganda organ.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:39am
  - kowtow
    
    If I might be so bold ;
    
    Labour are basically gang supporters.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:57am
    - hullkiwi
      
      $2.75mill of taxpayer money, plus a police escort says they are.
      
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      June 17, 2023 6:05pm
- igm
  
  Probably hoping Hipkins will give him $2.75 million . . . Ardern would have.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Rawiri Waititi reckons politicians should “shut their mouths” on Õpotiki and Meth use because his Whakatõea iwi is dealing with the problem.
  
  But it’s a bit late in the day..
  
  Õpotiki has been plagued by gang members dealing drugs for years and if the Iwi had any solution to keeping their youngsters out of the hands of gang parasites they could have offered it up long before now.
  
  The nasty reality is that drug consumption, drug dealing and violence is the dominant culture for many in and around Õpotiki.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111129704/the-struggle-for-opotiki-the-homicide-capital-of-new-zealand
  
  https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/arrests-disrupt-methamphetamine-supply-opotiki
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/07/01/man-arrested-following-bay-of-plenty-meth-bust/
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:48am
  - cas
    
    Perhaps they work very hard doing kiwifruit picking and pruning to be able to afford those nice cars and bikes.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:23am
    - Che Guava
      
      Imagine the volume of kiwifruit you could pick after doing a few hits of meth.
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:44am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Day and night!
        
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        June 17, 2023 10:06am
      - Che Guava
        
        The concepts day and night are irrelevant when high on meth.
        
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        June 17, 2023 10:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They can’t just go cold turkey without any big time cash.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:05am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Only 7% of those who identify as Maori ( note I didnt say who are Maori) voted for the Maori Party in 2020. That means 93% didnt. The Maori Party only represent a very small number of Maori. In total the MP got 33,000 votes out of around 450,000 Maori voters.
    Time to tell this scribble face to FOXTROT OSCAR.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:16am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Waititi’s “shut up it’s none of your business” line is a taste of NZ’s near-future where vast power will be exercised and tens of billions spent all behind a veil of co-governance tribalism, corrupt, unaccountable, and ultimately violent.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:30am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      thirteenstars – well he learned from Ardern. “don’t question me, shut up, I will be your only source of truth”.
      
      Only difference is he’s a bit more forthright. None of the smily hand waving bullshit that we had to endure from Ardern.
      Never forget her two classes of people comments. “That’s exactly what it is, so yip, yip.”
      
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      June 17, 2023 1:04pm
  - cmm
    
    I’ll accept the “shut your mouth” attitude.
    But guess what: I’ll also shut my wallet!
    
    If Rawiri Waititi wants to live in my wallet, then he’s got to listen to my advise too.
    
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    June 17, 2023 12:28pm
  - Paulus
    
    I understand many Maori families went to Australia to keep their children away from the Gangs and Drugs.
    Assume many suceeded as good citizens there – others (501) coming back after numeous convictions first.
    
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    June 17, 2023 1:58pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Post-mortem glorification of a scumbag. The junk media does it all the time, usually by quoting the deceased’s grieving mother.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:49am
- Philview
  
  You may recall the MM campaigned for the Labour Party at the last election. I assume this is the rationale for friendly media coverage. If this was a rival gang I doubt they would get the same media support.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:10am
- coge
  
  Leftist agitprop. Be seeing more of this pre election.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:41am
- KH
  
  Stuff now needs an inquiry for writing BS.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They could fact check themselves……
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:08am
- wreck1080
  
  He was still doing mob business. Mob have only caused our family misery in the last year.
  
  I detest them with a vengeance. Cowards on bikes.
  
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  June 17, 2023 11:29am
- SmokerGuy
  
  It pisses me off, so many kiwis doing great things and they put this piece of scum as the headline like he’s some amazing New Zealander. Just another asshole in a gang that is wrecking society!
  
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  June 17, 2023 11:36am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Good to see one of the O&G super majors to grow a pair & tell the activists like it is – renewables make little sense and O&G is going to be around for decades.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Shell-Under-Fire-For-Doubling-Down-On-Oil-And-Gas.html
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June 17, 2023 8:07am
- Gaetano
  
  I guarantee if you took a poll asking “Should New Zealand ban petroleum imports to combat climate change?”, at least 30 percent would say yes.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:14am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I don’t disagree.
    
    There are a lot of stupid people in this country.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They are the dangerous ones and they don’t even know it. Dangerous in the sense that we don’t know if it is a Red or Green vote – including the List.
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:13am
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    So 70% would say no, in your world. How is that bad? Also, the question would confuse many, too many negative/positive statements to unpack.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:31am
    - Gaetano
      
      Because it would demonstrate that one in three adults have no understanding of the consequences of New Zealand ceasing to use petroleum.
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        1/3 have bikes I guess.//
        
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        June 17, 2023 10:14am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The 30% tend to be vocal activists. The 70% tend to be timid “don’t stick your neck out” types.
      
      The 30% who only listen to one narrative and are filled with messianic self righteousness are therefore dangerous.
      
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      June 17, 2023 8:27pm
  - rouppe
    
    Be sure to tell them that banning oil and gas imports means no cars at all (plastics), no nylon clothing, no acrylic products (many household items), no mobile phones…
    
    Get them to put aside everything with such a component that they have on them at that moment and see what they have left
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:38am
    - Taieri
      
      Be sure to tell them that banning oil and gas imports means no cars at all (plastics), no nylon clothing, no acrylic products (many household items), no mobile phones…
      —————–
      
      Be sure to tell them that banning oil and gas imports means first and most of all…NO FOOD. Including vegan…
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:51am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Of course you can get any result you want from a poll depending how it is phrased.
    
    You would geta different result if you Said.
    
    Should NZ ban petroleum imports and petrol stations to combat climate change
    
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    June 17, 2023 2:16pm
Tomtoddy

Poor old Ferald were so upset their much vaunted Blues team were thrashed by a second string Crusaders they couldn’t even run a story on it.
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June 17, 2023 8:07am
- 3-coil
  
  Tomtoddy: like all of Tamaki McCowrow the sad Ferald are just embarrassed that their team forgot to turn up. The writing was on the wall – the way they were talking during the week Dalton Papalii and a couple of the others had already played the game, and won it…in their heads. Nek minnit…ooops!
  Likewise the poor old Ferald had already written their Blues victory stories 😂…so they had nothing left to print!
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tamaki McCowrow. Must remember that. 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  So they’ve taken narrative control all the way to sport? A new low for the shills in mainstream media.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:14am
  - emmess
    
    Well, their narrative has made a mockery of women’s sport
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  More importantly today they’re doing a great job of holding , again , the Opposition to account .
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:22am
- grumpy
  
  Never mind, they will be back crowing when almost the entire Blues side is named in the All Blacks, every one if whom was completely outclassed by their opposite last night.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:20am
- Grunter
  
  The only rugby writer worth reading is Marc Hinton who somehow remains at Stuffed. It is the ONLY thing I read on any MSM anymore.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:30am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300906560/steven-taiatini-beat-a-meth-addiction-and-was-helping-others-friend-says-only-to-lose-his-life-on-the-streets-of-opotiki
“Many were horrified at the sight gangsters massing in the street, barking like dogs and shouting the Nazi salute ‘sieg heil’, but this kind of thing happens all the time in small eastern Bay of Plenty towns when there’s a gang tangi. Ōpōtiki is used to it.”
Yes, he sounds like a top citizen and leader all right. I am inspired.
Next time I attend a funeral, I will get a gold plated motorbike and ride it through our town whilst yelling out “Seig heil”. The people here will soon get used to it and will come to admire me for showing such respect for the deceased.
Will practice the barking.
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June 17, 2023 8:10am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  In Nazi Germany, which these gangs seem to adore with their Sieg Heils and Stahlhelms, these gangs wouldn’t exist they would have been straight into either a concentration camp or the penal battalions.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:14am
  - Che Guava
    
    Crime was out of control in Weimar Germany, but under the Nazis it was almost completely stamped out. There is a lesson there. If we truly want to “get tough on crime” as is always claimed, we cannot do it under the existing liberal paradigm. If we want certain outcomes, we have to be willing to do what is required to attain them.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:48am
    - sirknz
      
      As the meme goes, “one day, for no reason whatsoever, the Germans voted for Hitler”
      
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      June 17, 2023 11:43am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Shame the Police overlooked the opportunity to round up a few hundred gang members. I’m willing to bet the usual servo pie that there would have been any number of homeD absentees, fine defaulters, unlicensed riders & people able to help Police with their inquiries in the crowd.
  
  More importantly, the Police could have laid down a marker about the rule of law in our society.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Shame the police , and others , including the msm see fit to cosy up to organised crime and pose in photos with them , under the laughably flimsy guise of stopping drug dealing ( yes jacinda , that includes your lot who gave 2 + mil to them)
    
    When will NZ really have a zero tolerance towards organised crime .
    
    That includes the msm who’re always running ‘he was really a nice lad at heart ‘ stories every time one of these crime boss thugs meets his just desserts .
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:04am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      yes jacinda , that includes your lot who gave 2 + mil to them
      
      There’s a hell of a lot more being fed into the meth-addiction industry.
      
      Be pragmatic about an individual’s role in participating in the sales of methamphetamine. It is
      part of the organised crime business model that all participants are offered an opportunity to
      participate in the sale and distribution of methamphetamine. The vast majority offered the
      opportunity are misled into a cycle of dependency on criminality and victimisation by gangs
      and organised crime. A strong principled approach may limit providing service and constrain
      the type of support needed.
      
      https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/the-evaluation-of-te-ara-oranga-mar22.pdf
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:07am
  - PeeJay
    
    Couldn’t agree with you more.
    
    This was a golden opportunity for the police to go hard – even if they needed to call in the army to provide extra resource. If there were going to be 250 gang attendees then there should have been double that number of cops. The gangs shouldn’t have been able to breathe – cross the centre line? Hold up everything and fines. Home D? In the van. Outstanding warrants? In the van. Burnout? Confiscate property. Drugs? In the van. Every single offence the police could think of should have been used – make the gangs realise who was in charge and that there are consequences for breaking the law.
    
    When you think about it, this was actually a perfect opportunity for the police (and the government) to lay down a marker to the gangs – you are not in charge, you are not part of the community, you are criminal scum and you will be treated like such.
    
    But nope. Smile and wave as the bro’s scream past.
    
    Pathetic.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:10am
  - Che Guava
    
    So why didn’t they do it? Because the vast majority of them are brown, and brown people are allowed to get away with more than White people. Imagine if all of them were White and were going about throwing up Roman salutes – it would be seen as an outrage and would be an international story. It’s not the behaviour, it’s that Whites are scapegoats and any opportunity is taken to condemn them, while non-Whites have almost complete latitude to behave as they want.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:56am
    - miltonF
      
      Yes. I’ve said this so many times. Racism is very prevalent in NZ. It’s just a different kind of racism to what people are searching for. It’s “kind” racism. The racism of low expectations. Let brown people graduate with lesser grades. Give brown people reduced prison sentences. Don’t charge brown people for crimes. Give extra handouts to brown people. Have specified positions in parliament and govt organisations for brown people only.
      
      I’m feeling increasingly confident that the poor outcomes for Māori are due to this racism of low expectations. Expect less from someone and hold them to a lesser standard, and give no punishment for crimes etc and the result is obvious.
      
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      June 17, 2023 4:29pm
- graham
  
  “Many were horrified at the sight gangsters massing in the street, barking like dogs and shouting the Nazi salute ‘sieg heil’, but this kind of thing happens all the time in small eastern Bay of Plenty towns when there’s a gang tangi. Ōpōtiki is used to it.”
  
  Compare this blasé attitude to other situations, other times, other places – other ethnicities – where people have been vilified and condemned with horrified outrage for supposedly making Nazi signs. You know who I’m talking about.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:25am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    It wasn’t even a nazi sign that Newshub tried to pretend she was making it was supposed to be some hand gesture that the far left have decided is a white supremacy signal if I were Rosie Parker I would be suing their arses off as unblurred footage broadcast by GB news showed quite clearly she was fiddling with the zip on her top. It also showed in my opinion that the Newshub story was politically motivated and quite possibly an incitement to violence . Where was the outrage ? None it’s yet another thing the NZ media condones with its silence because it was aimed at the baddies so it was ok.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Well, as we saw with the RNZ fiasco re the modification of stories about Ukraine. As long as you’re narrative modifications fit the narrative of those who control the media, anything goes.
      
      Telling the truth is clearly irrelevant. Repeat the narrative and you will be rewarded. Oppose it or counter it and you will be punished.
      
      We are not headed towards 1984, we are living in it.
      
      2+2=5 and too many people love Big Brother.
      
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      June 17, 2023 1:20pm
- kowtow
  
  The same te media pardy who’re so outraged at Roman salutes and associated imagery ( because te media pardy don’t like the thugs who’re doing the performance) in OZ , advise us that back here in Lala Land we’ll get used to it , because they seem to have some strange affinity or affection for the local thugs who do it.
  
  To borrow kk’s term above , parallel universe.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:26am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It’s pretty annoying that we get told the police won’t tolerate any law breaking, but then we see them close and line the streets and watch as the gang members drive by while passengers hang out the side of vehicles, drive on the wrong side of the road, not wear helmets on their bikes, do burnouts, etc, etc.
  We get told that the police were photographing these events. Umm, shouldn’t they have been pulling them over like they’d do if you or I did the same thing? Are the photos to hang on their living room walls?
  And the friggin legacy media. What a disgrace. They’re pretty much portraying the deceased as some kind of upstanding citizen, and his gang member mates as harmless. They’re (media and the gang members) a blight. Oh, let’s add the racist Maori party to that list while we’re at it.
  Are we seriously meant to get used to closing roads and schools etc. whenever gangs want to? All aided by the police?
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:42am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Both he & wife were dealers and addicts, & spent time at Her Majesty’s pleasure. After all that, he got time on HomeD in 2020 following an assault conviction. She also had a motorbike accident when she was old enough to know better. Their kids will have been looked after by others if not the State during some of this time.
    
    Frankly, both of them have been a blight on their community & a drain on the taxpayer.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:07am
    - KH
      
      Then helping out. But still on the government cash. Like the other ‘whanau providers’
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:00am
  - PeeJay
    
    I seem to remember the Police did the ‘take photographs and chase up later’ approach a while back – think it might even have been an Auckland gang procession. Same thing as always, burnouts, jumping through traffic lights, hanging out of the cars, driving on wrong side of the road – but rest assured, Police were documenting everything. Fairly sure very little happened from this.
    
    Dare say the same will happen here. In a few months time, probably just before 5pm Friday or on a bad news day, there will be a quiet press release from bullshit castle (Police HQ!) that the file has been closed – move along, nothing to see here.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:25am
    - Ruawai
      
      Surely if what they do on the roads is dangerous it is dangerous immediately and should be stopped immediately , not later when they have the photos developed in the police dark room.
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:52am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Yup – just like with fleeing drivers.
        
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        June 17, 2023 10:24am
- PeeJay
  
  One of the things that really pissed me off about this was the false equivalence stories I heard being used as justification for this crap.
  
  One example was a former cop was on HDPA one evening trying to justify closing the main highway as nothing special – Police do this all the time for all sorts of funerals!
  
  What the actual? So we have an ex-cop trying to compare a regular funeral procession – you know, the respectful silence of the mourners, folks respecting the departed, all while traveling in a slow convoy, all while obeying the law – and this is somehow the moral equivalent to to a gang procession! These two things are not the same!
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Barking like dogs – just copy your own dog. The best teacher, unless it goes yap yap yap!
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:19am
Scooter

So now the Foon (latest corruption in and around Labour) is top of the news there’s not much talk about Michael Wood. Are ministers in Labour and those close taking turns to take the heat off previous incompetents/scandals?
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June 17, 2023 8:11am
- Paulus
  
  Found Foon in one ten cms inside column in BOP Herald.
  Imagine if this was the National Party in power it would be giant headlines and blaming Luxon for the appointment.
  The screaming would not stop – now inside page 4 small comments.
  Where is his friend the Minister for Justice in all this ?
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He hasn’t done a runner has he? Could start a trend.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:23am
peterwn

See:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132338024/farmer-wasting-thousands-of-litres-of-water-in-protest-at-council-charges
Farmer is wasting thousands of litres of water to get at the local council.
What he is unaware of he is a crim. Section 271 of the Crimes Act states “Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who, without claim of right and with intent to cause loss or harm to any person, wastes or diverts any electricity, gas, or water, or causes it to be wasted or diverted.”
Not only that but he could be running foul of the RMA by deliberately discharging large quantities of the water onto land and into waterways etc.
And ignorance of the law is no excuse. Fortunately for him Labour’s justice policies means he is unlikely to be sent to jail for five months, let alone five years.
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June 17, 2023 8:15am
- sirknz
  
  He’s the wrong colour to avoid being punished by the law.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:53am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wasting water is a crime?
  
  Someone should tell Wellington Water.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:18am
  - peterwn
    
    I am highly sympathetic to this. However it is necessary for the prosecution to show ‘mens rea’ and ‘actus reus’ for a successful prosecution. Although Wellington Water has a reasonable duty to locate and repair leaks, there is no duty under criminal law compelling it to do so unless it had been advised of the serious nature of the leak and its potential to cause serious danger. In that case Wellington Water could be charged with the crime of ‘criminal nuisance’ (2 years jail). The Police charged a cable TV company with ‘criminal nuisance’ when a cable came loose and was hanging low and a car ran into it. The Judge declined to convict because the TV company was unaware of the issue.
    
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    June 17, 2023 2:23pm
- JamesP
  
  The guy is a tool for wasting water but the Crimes Act offence is a non-starter. He clearly has at least a “claim of right” (ie. “a belief at the time of the act in a proprietary or possessory right in property in relation to which the offence is alleged to have been committed”) since his whole argument is he is paying too much for the water and so can do whatever he likes with it.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:47am
  - peterwn
    
    I thought of that. It would apply if the water was metered and thus he wasted his own water. If you fiddled your electricity meter then claimed a right to do so because you thought the power company was gouging you, I am not too sure the judge would be impressed by that argument.
    
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    June 17, 2023 2:11pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The scumbag who repeatedly punched a 72 year old woman at the Posie Parker mob attack got diversion.
  
  If this farmer deserves 5 months in jail then that scumbag should get life.
  
  Some perspective would be great. The law truly is an ass.
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:23pm
Warren

When Luke Malpass pens a column about Labour appointees and conflicts
you know something is really wrong.
The continually of Labour MP’s and Minister’s putting themselves before policy we do not see very often in New Zealand Politics but the Labour Party and their Minister’s have taken it to new levels.
So can anyone tell me the reason the public s think Labour, their Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and their MP’s
are fit to Govern and why because the polls keep showing us that Labour and National are neck and neck in every political poll taken in the last six month’s to be the new Government in 2023 with a constant series of fucks and backflips in the last two and a half years.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132349376/labour-appointees-and-conflicts-how-hard-is-it-really.
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June 17, 2023 8:29am
- pdm
  
  `When Luke Malpass pens a column about Labour appointees and conflicts
  you know something is really wrong.’
  
  Especially when Stuff lets it goto print.
  
  I suggest that would not have been allowed a year ago – Dear Leader then had to be protected from bad vibes at all costs.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Look closely at Malpass’ column and you will see he is still running interference for the Labour Party.
  
  He is trying to excuse examples of political favouritism and corruption and dishonesty as…just smelly little incidents.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:14am
Southern Raider

Labour seems determined to loose in a landslide

First Ginny claims NZers feel safe and now stating Moari don’t belong in prison
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June 17, 2023 8:29am
- Tony Stuart
  
  If you had any doubts about Labour’s agenda, Ginny Anderson has removed them:
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/police-minister-ginny-andersen-attacks-new-zealand-s-prison-system-says-it-s-no-place-for-m-ori-offenders.html
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:37am
  - Matt Long
    
    No prison for Labour voters appears to be the policy.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:10am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    I agree the Labour Hierarchy wants out.
    
    Having raided the public purse, Adern, Little, Robertson, and Hipkin’s path of destruction has reached its logical conclusion.
    
    The Labour Party are advocating for shorter showers, a sure fire way for a Labour Party to open itself to attacks and defeat.
    
    Now the question is…. what can/will be done to hold these fraudsters to account?
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:12am
    - kowtow
      
      What is it with Labour and showers .
      
      When that blow hard Jones was in Labour , he was the mouthpiece for shower pressure , which may have marked their electoral cycle nadir .
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Labour want to give everything to Te Maori Party, and the Elite Maori.
      There will be no Co-Governance, Labour will do a runner.
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:39am
    - rouppe
      
      Robertson has all but disappeared from public view, have you noticed?
      
      Not standing behind Hipkins nodding, not grinning in line ups, he’s barely seen now…
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:50am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Rouppe. My January comment below….
        
        Grant Robertson will not stand again.
        
        Like Jacinda, he has milked the public purse and will sail off into the sunset to spend the millions.
        
        He also knows the public finance carnage he caused so won’t want to be there when NATIONAL / ACT open the books and explain the situation to the nation.
        
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        June 17, 2023 12:23pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        He’s currently in Australia. Whether or not he’s planning ahead, looking to join the exodus of Kiwis to the Lucky Country is yet to be established. But now he’s gone List only, I can’t see him hanging around as an Opposition MP.
        
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        June 17, 2023 12:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Mark.
        I wonder if there was ‘10% for the Big Guy?’
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:15pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Like Ardern and Bloomfield, he will be planning his run for the hills leaving the devastation and destruction in his wake. He will be well rewarded for this.
        We live in strange times.
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:25pm
      - peterwn
        
        ClanMcleod – I think the main reason Ashley Bloomfield quit was because of the reorganisation of hospital services which would put additional stress on the Director-General of Health. He resigned once the Covid situation had been brought under control and he, like any other employee is entitled to resign. He sensed it was time to move on and he was most probably right. Also why have the bother of putting up with a bunch of clowns who were his political bosses?
        
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        June 17, 2023 2:34pm
  - pdm
    
    Hey Ginny.
    
    Prison seems a good place for thugs and thieves.
    
    If they are in prison the good law abiding people of New Zealand are a lot safer – even with only about 1,500 new sworn Police.
    
    Imagine how much safer we would be if you had actually got 1,800 more new SWORN Police. and with the thugs and crooks in prison.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:16am
    - nathie
      
      Realistically to have any credibility, Labour should be recruiting say 2,300 new sworn Police (an additional 500 – if not more) to deal with the sky-rocketing increase in crime that has occurred since 2017.
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Anderson thinks a prison sentence is punishment and it is undeserved.
      She thinks nothing of the punishment of the innocent public with these animals on the loose.
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:43am
  - Ultima
    
    Labour hugging crims again, never mind the victims. Of the many different ethnicities in the prison system, only Maori crims are different. I don’t care if they want to use a marae, just make it a marae prison.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:43am
  - rouppe
    
    The problem with prisons, is they are a one size fits all proposition.
    
    I’m certain there are prisoners that want to rehabilitate. But in any given prison they are the 1%, and no one wants to be the identified minority in a place like that.
    
    There could be a facility set up that concentrates rehabilitative resources. Getting clean, but that requires numeracy and literacy learning, and possibly trade skills at the same time.
    
    It would have to be strict. 9 to 5 expectations. Failure to remain clean, failure to attend classes, any contraband found, fighting and intimidation, you’re out. Transferred to a standard prison, and someone else given a chance.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:56am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      There are those in prison whose crime was a one-off, mostly murder, I would suggest. They may have personality issues to deal with but they’re not hard-core crims per se. Not when they went into prison, anyway.
      
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      June 17, 2023 2:36pm
- Ruawai
  
  Kiri Allen said the problem with building the Puhoi motorway was it meant less spending on maintenance and therefore pot holes. Surely they could have had both if they hadn’t wasted so much money. She was basically saying National had caused the potholes by agreeing to build the Puhoi motorway.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Did that motorway build include the standard Taniwha payments?
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:45am
    - rouppe
      
      Clearly Transmission Gully didn’t, because sections of that are disgraceful. Rough as guts, particularly the southern half
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:58am
      - Opie
        
        Already digging up and relaying sections of it…
        
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        June 17, 2023 11:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Chris Penk from National had a delightfully understated tweet from the ceremony yesterday, declaring that he was standing on the only pothole-free state highway in New Zealand 😀
    
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    June 17, 2023 12:26pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Of course Māori don’t belong in prison. Every other ethnicity does but not Māori. As was clearly demonstrated in Opotaki recently they’re just misunderstood and victims of a systemic racist justice system loaded against them by a colonial regime of oppression. Everyone else is responsible for their crimes but not the child like natives.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:27am
  - Ruawai
    
    It’s racist putting Maori in prison.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:54am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone here go to hear Dr Tom Sheahan speak at the Jet Park, Hamilton last night?
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June 17, 2023 8:31am
- Tomtoddy
  
  He was excellent. Understandable and blew the idea of methane being a problem right out of the room.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:42am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Did any senior politicians go, or were they handing out reading material to their underlings?
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Yes, but I will not say who other than it was not Luxon or any from Act as they will meet him separately.
    
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    June 17, 2023 8:50am
NK

Goodbye Meng Foon.

Would an “adequate” replacement be Dame Jacinda Ardern, the very person who is to blame for all of what krazykiwi has described above?

Based on that, she seems an entirely adequate replacement as “Human Rights” Commissioner. I’d love her to take the role and for Act to disestablish the office in November.
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June 17, 2023 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NO! She has fucked NZ over enough thankyou very much.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:49am
  - blue collar
    
    Hear hear !! ….. what steveo said !
    
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    June 17, 2023 2:34pm
- rouppe
  
  Seeing he has gone, I have just laid a discrimination complaint against David Tapsell who said that the managers of the new spa in Rotorua were required to hire Ngati Whakaue and Te Arawa over others, which is overt racism
  
  Around 23 minute mark I think.
  
  https://www.threenow.co.nz/shows/newshub-6pm/friday-16-june-2023/122217/M73524-177
  
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  June 17, 2023 11:04am
  - Paulus
    
    How much have we taxpayers given to this new Maori unit, and how much will it cost to keep it going when it is not economically viable annually.
    
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    June 17, 2023 2:07pm
- pussycat
  
  Wrong colour
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:16pm
Matt Long

Transphobes are at it again, this time blaming the mothers.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/psychiatrists-respond-resurfaced-1991-study-bipolar-disorder-mothers-transgender-boys
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June 17, 2023 8:33am
- Matt Long
  
  Trans expert recites the many reputable studies showing genital mutilation is good for children.
  Like a study of all the places socialism has worked.
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/crenshaw-grills-dem-witness-failure-name-one-study-citing-benefits-surgeries-trans-kids
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:36am
  - Gaetano
    
    This father is raising his young son as a “trans girl” because at the age of 5 the boy told him he was a girl. Then the father launched a YouTube channel to show him off.
    
    https://youtube.com/shorts/_f67jAEmRGk?feature=share
    
    Probably only 10 years ago, certainly 20 years ago, this child would have been uplifted from the family and the father charged.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:43am
    - Gaetano
      
      BTW the thousands of comments on the video are worth a browse. 😀
      
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      June 17, 2023 9:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Father charged, as he should be. How do we normalise this mental shit?
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:56am
      - sirknz
        
        We in the west have been too tolerant and too altruistic for too long.
        
        What was the strength of the west has now become its greatest weakness.
        
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        June 17, 2023 11:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ah – the good ole ‘a mother’s place is in the wrong’ trope
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:20am
- emmess
  
  Megan Fox has three sons who are supposedly all trans
  I’m sure, she is totally not forcing them in girls clothing, right?
  But all three, wow what are the chances?
  Anyway what does that say about her?
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:21am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    I heard Jordan Peterson state something similar about a Disney executive with two children with special classifications.
    
    The probability of having one child like this was 1 in 3,000. So the probability of having two children like this is 1 in 9 million. JP said the chance of the mother being a narcissist is 1 in 8,999,999 ie it is more likely that the mother has mental illness than all her children do.
    
    With 3 children the probability is 1 in 27,000,000,000 of them all being trans.
    
    As I understand it, Narcissists cannot accept things making them look bad. So if a child has behavioural issues a highly narcissistic mother will go looking for problems with the child to take away any possibility of it reflecting badly on her. This is most probably why more children with autism and adhd — having behaviours that reflect badly on Mum — end up classified as trans.
    
    Yet in our country we are swallowing the trans myth with a zeal and grooming our young people to believe that all sorts of deviant behaviours are fine choices for them to make. So just watch the percentages of special people explode to reach numbers like the 20% of society are trans promoted by GLAAD, WEF, UN annd their corporate sponsors.
    
    Only God can save us from our descent into moral decay!
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:50am
    - Colville
      
      Only God can save us from our descent into moral decay!
      
      …or the flying spaghetti monster… equally likely.
      
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      June 17, 2023 1:13pm
      - Ghost
        
        My money’s on the flying spaghetti monster
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:16pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Wacist! Equity for all levitating types of pasta!
        
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        June 17, 2023 2:39pm
      - Colville
        
        Fair to say I did have a heavenly lasagna last night!
        
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        June 17, 2023 6:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It says she is mentally unstable.
    Change my mind.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The Babylon Bee nails it again with wonderful satire.
  
  Satan Asks LGBTQ Community To Please Tone It Down A Bit
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/satan-asks-lgbtq-community-to-please-tone-it-down-a-bit
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Piers Morgan/Gene Simmons.

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/redrebelnews/gene-simmons-makes-a-shocking-2024-prediction/
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June 17, 2023 8:38am
- emmess
  
  Fun fact
  Both appeared on The Celebrity Apprentice
  Piers actually won
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Strangely I never watched any of Trump’s reality tv shows. They just did not appeal to me.
    
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    June 17, 2023 11:00am
Matt Long

According to the story it’s better for a company to pay out $25 million to a wrongly dismissed white employee than to face blackmail from BLM.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/blm-called-starbucks-pays-25m-fired-white-employee-biggest-ponzi-schemes
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June 17, 2023 8:39am
Brian McDonald

The Blues killed themselves with no-look passes before they earned the right to throw them.
The Crusaders played no-nonsense solid rugby.
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June 17, 2023 8:42am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Crusaders B played outstanding rugby with super high intensity and attacking defence Brian. Auckland were left with nothing else to but try and play expansively to get away from Crusaders forwards and beat the flat defence.
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:51am
- pdm
  
  Did Jack Goodhue play his way into the AB squad last night and Finlay Christie play his way out?
  
  Beauden Barrett would not make it on form either – but lucky for him Foster is big on reputation.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:20am
  - Ultima
    
    Beauden was a disappointment, along with the rest of the senior players in the Blues. Leon MacDonald should be sacked after that performance. He has not improve the team from last year.
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:50am
    - Colville
      
      Leon has finished at the Blues.
      He is off to the All Blacks. 🤔
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:39am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Goodhue and Ennor dominated the Blues….. but easy to shine off a dominant forward pack.
    
    Goodhue is in my squad as a solid defender at 2nd V or Centre…. back up at centre as his pace is down since all the injuries.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:04am
    - pdm
      
      JBJ – Goodue at 12 and Anton Liernert-Brown look the goods for the midfield to me. Iane back tothe wing, probably right wing because Fainga’anuku must surely have the left wing sewn up.
      
      Telea was found out last night so Right Wing is open.
      
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      June 17, 2023 12:26pm
- Colville
  
  Incredibly display of counter rucking forced handovers and errors early on. Then the Blues just lost it and started chucking it around but the game was over half way thru the first half.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:57am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The Crusaders forwards, given that they were significantly underpowered, were very impressive last night, and really beat the Blues up.
    
    The experience of winning must-win games at the sharp end of the season was there for all to see, and assuming the Chiefs beat the Brumbies tonight, they will have to play very well to deny Robertson a farewell title. It should be an absolute ripper of a match.
    
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    June 17, 2023 12:29pm
    - Colville
      
      The Crusaders forwards obviously had a plan to defend without using 6 or 7 , so it was tackle and flanker over the ball fast. The speed and aggression was fantastic, blew the Blues off the park.
      
      Chiefs were lame last week… BUT I would never back and Aussie team so I wish them well !
      
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      June 17, 2023 1:24pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      And never lose sight of the final humiliation Tony. Canterbury electing to play with 14 for the last 5 mins or so!
      On Chiefs v Brumbies, I reckon there’s a decent chance the Brumbies will beat the Chiefs.
      
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      June 17, 2023 3:41pm
      - Colville
        
        That would be the choke of the century.
        Brumbies at $4.50 with the TAB is probably fair.
        
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        June 17, 2023 6:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Senior FBI Official Blows Holes in Agency’s Mar-a-Lago Raid Credibility.
Jim Jordan wants answers from the FBI and DOJ no later than 5pm 16 June 2023. That’s today. Wonder what happened. Why Washington FBI not Miami Branch. I can see this being blown right out of the water.

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/uniondailypost/senior-fbi-official-blows-holes-in-agencys-mar-a-lago-raid-credibility/
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June 17, 2023 8:44am
- Don Beckett
  
  Trump unloads on some of his previous acquaintances who have turned on him. He spares no criticism 🙂 :
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLzt2dWGCUo
  
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  June 17, 2023 12:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Gold Don. Thanks, I will drop it on FB.
    
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    June 17, 2023 1:21pm
Matt Long

$300 payout from landlord who failed to act when adjoining tenant booted in her door. Must be wondering why she bothered.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/tenant-who-had-door-booted-in-by-neighbour-wins-compensation-claim-at-tenancy-tribunal/PEXK4ZPHLRARBOEDL64FWAE5UU/
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June 17, 2023 8:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Nobody wants to buy NZ’s Carbon Units….again.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/492062/emissions-trading-scheme-auction-fails-again-but-is-that-bad

The ETS is a dog…and the $$$$$$ are not flowing into Grant Robertson’s coffers.
The two failed auctions have cost the government half a billion dollars in lost revenue from the ETS.

The MSM tries to put a positive spin on the failure, but it’s yet another example of Labour’s inability to do anything half competently.
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June 17, 2023 8:55am
- Matt Long
  
  The speculators who were the main buyers in previous auctions have got cold feet as Labour has changed policy settings on them. Unit speculation is for the cynical, not the brave.
  The big question now is how to establish the fledging dairy industries in Cuba, the Sudans, Afghanistan, Noth Korea and Venezuela now that funds from unit auctions are no longer available?
  I think Grant has it; borrow more money.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:06am
- Burtland
  
  does anyone in Labour actually understand the ETS – it seems to be James baby
  
  is there anything going to be left intact by Labour – seems like their scorched earth policy is the only one working
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:04am
  - Matt Long
    
    The ETS was Key’s policy, it was an alternative to Clark’s Carbon Tax.
    It was designed to create a market solution to the problems created by bad negotiations in the UNFCCC.
    Political tinkering and unforseen consequences, like letting the carbon price rise to make fossil fuel use unpalatable would also make so-called carbon farming a much better return than productive farming have made the ETS a bit of a mess.
    It had carve outs for big businesses like the steel factory in South Auckland, whose Australian owners are now in receipt of big subsidies for using ineffecient technology.
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:47am
    - Burtland
      
      so the “simple” market solution (which most people dont understand) would appear to have failed – what now, a more complex market solution ?
      
      or maybe a more direct intervention such as state controlled carbon rationing
      – scan your vax card to fill your car with petrol and dump your rubbish?
      
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      June 17, 2023 11:10am
Matt Long

Groundswell Radio with Peter Williams
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2153383?client_source=large_player&iframe=true&referrer=https://www.buzzsprout.com/2153383.js?container_id=buzzsprout-large-player&player=large
Peter is legend for standing up for what he believes and fighting back against regressive woke media.
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June 17, 2023 8:57am
- cjn
  
  Buy your golf balls. You’ll feel so good on the fairway.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

See this National? This is how you release Policy without involving the fake news media. Yes, the NZ fake news media.
AGENDA 47: Here Are All 31 Of Trump’s Detailed Policy Videos (So Far)
32 videos so far covering all sorts from CRT, fentanyl, to Ukraine I will wade through this later today. Lefties are welcome to pick this to pieces.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/agenda-47-here-are-all-31-of-trumps-detailed-policy-videos-so-far/
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June 17, 2023 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “If we don’t have FREE SPEECH, we just don’t have a FREE COUNTRY. It’s as simple as that. If this most fundamental right is allowed to perish, then the rest of our rights and liberties will topple just like dominos one by one.”
  
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  June 17, 2023 8:59am
  - Mike
    
    The enemies of free speech are coming for your books, Steve:
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jun/03/utah-school-district-book-of-morman-ban
    
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    June 17, 2023 9:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oh noes! They are after my porn. What to do?
      
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      June 17, 2023 11:12am
      - sirknz
        
        Physical porn in this day and age?
        
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        June 17, 2023 12:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nah sirknz, my 70s Playboy Mags. They are worth quite a bit now.
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:23pm
Gravelroad

From the Let’s Make Up a Stupid Headline media department:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300907636/teacher-who-slept-with-student-in-classroom-found-guilty-of-serious-misconduct
Couldn’t find any evidence of sleeping in the classroom happening. Other stuff maybe – but it didn’t involve sleeping.
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June 17, 2023 9:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I remember sleeping in the classroom – sorry, Mr MacIntosh! – but it didn’t involve any of that other stuff.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:22am
- kowtow
  
  Media use of silly euphemisms .
  
  Could as easily called it ‘playing hide the sausage’ .
  
  The other point , te media pardy constantly and incorrectly refer to pupils as students .
  
  Clownshow.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tucker Carlson. The gloves are off and unloading on Fox. This is going to be good. 75 million viewers?

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/breaking-tucker-finally-unloads-on-fox-news-rips-women-who-run-the-network/
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June 17, 2023 9:05am
- Mike
  
  Tucker Carlson doesn’t like women running things? Colour me shocked:
  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/20/fox-news-sexual-assault-lawsuit-373674
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:14am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Nice smear Mike… Carlson is mentioned
    
    “Cathy Areu, a reporter often invited on the network, accused Henry, Hannity, Carlson and Kurtz of sexual harassment and gender discrimination.”
    
    But the article is all about another person a MR henry, being accused of rape.
    
    And its an article from 2020!!!! And where has it gone? USA is very litigious – why has this not gone to a massive head line of Carlson being found guilty Mike?
    
    Truly Milky its a big reach by you to throw this in….
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I take no notice of comments like that from Mike.
      He can do much better when he tries.
      
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      June 17, 2023 11:22am
    - General
      
      ‘Liberal Sherpa’ once a regular guest on Fox News is arrested for ‘kidnapping her own mom TWICE and scamming her out of $224,000’
      
      Cathy Areu, 51, was arrested on Friday in Miami and faces numerous charges
      Prosecutors say she defrauded her own 88-year-old mom for at least $224,000
      Areu allegedly tried to drag her mother to a nursing home against her will
      She is a former regular guest on Fox News, dubbing herself the ‘Liberal Sherpa’
      Areu hasn’t appeared on the network since filing harassment claim in 2020
      A judge tossed her suit, which named hosts Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson
      
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      June 17, 2023 12:54pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, that is episode 4 and he is such a convincing talker I watched most interested. Fox must be pulling their hair out over Tucker’s Twitter speeches and as the lawyers fight amongst themselves he just continues to broadcast.
  
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  June 17, 2023 12:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fox did it to themselves. Management/Ownership went too far with Carlson and Dominion.
    Fucking good job.
    
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    June 17, 2023 1:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump in prison? He can run for POTUS from prison, he can then become President in prison. Then he can ‘pardon’ himself! What are the real rules according to The Constitution?

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/team-desantis-actively-cheering-for-trump-to-go-to-prison/
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June 17, 2023 9:08am
- Mike
  
  While some constitutional scholars argue that the pardon power is absolute, most believe a president cannot pardon himself.
  To begin with, says Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, the idea of a pardon stems from the English law idea of mercy or grace, and, he says, it doesn’t make sense to show mercy or grace to yourself. Other scholars note that linguistically, you grant a benefit to someone else, not to yourself.
  But the most persuasive argument against self-pardons, says Michigan State University law professor Brian Kalt, is that allowing them “would violate the principle that no one can be the judge in their own case.”
  
  https://www.npr.org/2021/01/09/955087860/can-trump-pardon-himself
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nice bit of bait I threw out – you like that kind of bait Mike?
    A POTUS pardoning himself has not been tested. I know very little of which part of The Constitution would be used. Trump also says that if he did it, then it could be used in the future.
    Joe Biden should be looking at this, and I bet he has. At the moment a President pardoning himself is treated as a bit of a joke, but it could become real. The Democrats are a nasty desperate bunch of pricks. Anything goes, to put a stop to Trump, even if it id illegal.
    Anyway, what constitutional scholars believe is irrelevant. I is down to what is in The Constitution.
    
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    June 17, 2023 11:32am
    - Inandout
      
      SO, Biden is day by day getting more stuck in the mud of corruption and pocket lining. However I think he will relinquish the Presidency before the shit hits the fan. Latest videos of him stalling mid way through an address and talking mumbo jumbo are really sad to witness and America cannot continue with this charade.
      
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      June 17, 2023 12:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        More stuck in the mud is just the social network.
        More and more information on how crooked he and his family have been since he entered Politics. Joe has always been on the take.
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    Look, in the USA some Liberal Democrat High Court Judge will determine that the law says he cannot stand – where, this is irrelevent – he will approve a legal understanding, what he is paid to do.?
    It does not matter as he can make a decision to stop Trump standing anyway because he says so.
    Most corrupt legal system in the world.
    
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    June 17, 2023 2:16pm
Mike

RIP Daniel Ellsberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg
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June 17, 2023 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another crooked leftie.
  
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  June 17, 2023 11:33am
- Inandout
  
  Always considered Ellsberg a dedicated person seeking out corruption around The Pentagon Papers until I learnt of his mission in life. He did however fight for whistle blowers but the Washington he knew was probably relatively clean compared to now.
  
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  June 17, 2023 12:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Vivek Ramaswamy challenge. He won’t win, but he is sorting out the men from the boys. Sure it is a game, but some of the wimpy boys don’t like this game. They are either faithful Republicans or RINOs.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/larry-elder-refuses-vivek-pledge-to-pardon-trump-would-dismiss-charges/
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June 17, 2023 9:15am
- Mike
  
  The nomination is Trump’s for the taking. None of the contenders will be able to withstand the combination of Trump’s insults (Ron Meatball, etc) and the solid 30% or so of Americans who worship their odd orange idol.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Solid’ I hope the dirty Dems know this.
    
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    June 17, 2023 11:35am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s irresponsible to pledge to pardon someone before the evidence has come out, whether or not the charges were part of a political witch hunt.
  I would be happy with a pledge to prosecute people who made false charges for political reasons.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s all a game Matt, with a side effect of promoting Trump.
    TRUMP 2024.
    
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    June 17, 2023 11:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Email from an elderly man detailing what he saw and heard last evening. A very good read.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/another-great-night-in-timaru/
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June 17, 2023 9:25am
Swifty

And there we have it:

“A review of all the discovered edits, combined with descriptions of Hall’s political views from people who have interacted with him, suggests he was not necessarily motivated by sinister intent but by a sincere objection to the coverage he was tasked with uploading to RNZ’s website.

Rather than a pro-Russian operative pumping propaganda into wire copy, the edits – which appear to span various issues – suggest a more nuanced ideology.

Hall – who has not responded to requests for comment – is originally from Belfast in Northern Ireland and is said to be outspoken about his staunchly left-wing views and his disdain for injustice.

……….

His foreign policy views are more nuanced.

They broadly align with “tankies” – people who either support or downplay aggression from authoritarian governments with a history of communism, usually as part of a broader opposition to the US and its allies.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300906113/this-rnz-story-is-probably-more-complicated-than-first-thought

Leftists, having taken residence in our civic institutions, rather than use their publicly-funded positions to remain impartial, neutral and objective, oh no, they then proceed to push their personal partisan politics on to New Zealanders.

Just like shooting Trump dolls they just happen to have lying around the TVNZ studios ….

Let’s face it, TVNZ and RNZ cannot be saved. In a properly functioning democracy we would not allow civic institutions so heavily stacked with staff from one side of the political aisle and who then use their positions to advance their political causes. Our core civil service, our Ministries, our universities and schools, the state broadcasters, the HRC, all completely dominated and full with left-voters who actively use their positions to push their causes.

The left wouldn’t put up with it for a minute if the situation were reversed.

This whole RNZ matter serves to perfectly illustrate why the state should have no place in broadcasting in 2023. The left will abuse it and hijack it for their own purposes. Just like they’ve done with the HRC, the Education Ministry, our schools and universities, our local Councils etc
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June 17, 2023 9:28am
- Ruahine
  
  Swifty.
  
  Excellent laying out of the deceit and hypocrisy that exists in Radio New Zealand and our other once trustworthy institutions.
  
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  June 17, 2023 9:59am
- Che Guava
  
  ““tankies” – people who either support or downplay aggression from authoritarian governments with a history of communism, usually as part of a broader opposition to the US and its allies.”
  
  My objection to the officially-endorsed “Ukraine (i.e. US) good vs Russia bad” narrative is that it obviously conflicts with observable current and historical reality.
  
  If the question is “which power has the worst record for martial aggression, invasion, destabilisation, intervention, sanctioning and generally causing mayhem across the globe solely in its own interests?” then there is only one answer: the United States. It is not even a contest.
  
  The two “enemies” de jour of America and its sphere, we are told, are China and Russia – neither of these two countries have acted as poorly as the United States has over certainly the last 40 or so years. The reason Russia, China, Syria, Iran etc. are denounced as our “enemies” is because they are obstacles to American elite interests (the latter two also being obstacles to Israeli interests, and Putin’s support of them also a factor vis a vis Ukraine). They would no longer be “enemies” if they could be pacified or neutralised.
  
  Rather than Russia and China being “America’s enemies who are on the march” (a popular propaganda line), it is the complete opposite.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:15am
  - Burtland
    
    the observable reality is 8M Ukrainians have fled Ukraine to avoid putins hugs
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:45am
    - miltonF
      
      Yet there are currently 5.8M Ukrainians living in Russia. 4% of the total Russian population. In Feb 2022, 1.9M Ukrainians had fled to RUSSIA, along with another 900k who had been deported to Russia by the Ukrainian govt.
      
      I’m not taking any sides here. My opinion is that both Putin and Biden/NATO are threats to world peace and harmony. I’m just pointing out that things are not as clear-cut as western propaganda would have you believe.
      
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      June 17, 2023 4:55pm
    - cjn
      
      Or to avoid the draft. Or to get a more comfortable life. You choose.
      
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      June 17, 2023 10:23pm
- kowtow
  
  I can’t see what relevance his coming from Belfast has to do with injustices . What a stupid throw away line .
  
  But the that’s stuff for ya .
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  TVNZ and RNZ are even too toxic to put in the recycle bin.
  They need to be buried deep. Shit, what is my Partner going to do with no play school TV1?
  
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  June 17, 2023 11:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Surely the point is, none of the changes made were inaccurate? They were the same story told from a different perspective. Those perspectives can be debated, but they are valid.
  
  We already had a “single source of truth” with Ardern. Surely best not to carry on making the same mistake?
  If provable lies are published, that’s a whole different matter.
  
  Mind you, we’ve had plenty of lies throughout the covid clown show without any apparent repercussions for those liars.
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:38pm
slightlyrighty

A tale of 2 MSM’s.

1. Meng Foon resigns after it becomes known that as he was conduction an enquiry into emergency housing, he was receiving 2.3 million in payments from the Government for supplying emergency housing. Announced and quietly buried. You really have to look to find the story today.

2. Chris Luxon orders a Tesla as a self drive car. 1. It’s an entitlement outlined by the government, 2 it’s on a list of approved cars.

On reflection, Luxon, and his team, decide it’s not a good look, and cancels the order.

MSM broadcast this everywhere.
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June 17, 2023 9:29am
- Ultima
  
  Breaking news! John Key’s former house is sold at a loss in a slumped market. But JK didn’t make a loss, so, he’s still a rich prick.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:04am
  - Burtland
    
    yes more smearing from the NZHerald
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:48am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Could a house be used for money laundering/receiving foreign government payments? Certainly a more unique approach than being paid a fee for a book.
    
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    June 17, 2023 11:00am
    - Colville
      
      real-estate transactions are probably the most carefully watched money go rounds… IMHO…
      
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      June 17, 2023 8:25pm
- kowtow
  
  P5 of the Herald , under a story about a giraffe .
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:06am
Gravelroad

Back to the rugby –
The panel of experts here had concluded earlier (with reluctance) that the Crusaders were unlikely to win last night – due to circumstances already covered.
But they won anyway.
So panel is currently thinking that maybe history could be repeated by the generally less fancied Brumbies overcoming the Chiefs tonight.
Suddenly they think the Brumbies can win…….even though they are Australian.
Can the Brumbies beat the Chiefs?
Up until recent times, the Chiefs have been regular chokers.
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June 17, 2023 10:05am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Chiefs at home, with their first team on the field will smash the Brumbies.
  
  The Brumbies are good in Canberra but not so flash on the road.
  
  Crusaders versus Chiefs in the final – which could go either way. Will be a massively engaging final I think and very much a trial for players on the rise to make a play for a RWC squad spot…
  
  Reckon the Crusaders will be favourites to win even though on the road – Razors last game in charge and the players will be highly motivated to win a title for him…
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:16am
  - greybeard
    
    The RWC squad will have been picked a week befor this final: you explain the logic, if you can !
    
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    June 17, 2023 10:38am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @greybeard-
      According to sports reporter on radio yesterday, it is because the first squad of All Blacks will play a test against Argentina in Argentina on July 8th.
      If the squad naming is left until after the rugby final next Saturday, it won’t give those picked to travel enough time to get ready – or something.
      
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      June 17, 2023 11:19am
    - Colville
      
      We know that by the time the ABs are in the RWC final *cough cough* they will have chopped thru a dozen or so injuries so there will be many more changes.
      
      There are 8? in Canterbury alone who are not playing but will be needed in October.
      
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      June 17, 2023 11:53am
Ghost

Whoops, poor lady,

Mullin Confronts Anti-Plastics Witness About All The Things She Has Containing Plastic
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June 17, 2023 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is a name for this. Starts with ‘F’
  Can’t remember what it is.
  
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  June 17, 2023 11:51am
mtamati

Krazykiwi @ 8.01am….here are some interesting local facts concerning the efficacy of the Pfizer mRNA inoculation….
Between the 01/01/21, when all staff at the Gisborne Hospital had to be fully ‘vaccinated’ (or else sacked) and the 13/04/23, 700 hospital employees (70%) had taken 3874.6375 days (10 1/2 years +) of Covid-19 sick leave.

That as at the 13/04/23, Covid-19 sick leave was being taken for a 4th reinfection.
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June 17, 2023 10:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Still, everyone on duty and visiting at Gisborne Hospital is masked up… but Hubby (a patient) isn’t.
  
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  June 17, 2023 12:28pm
  - mtamati
    
    Maggy…and an OIA request for the number of patients not admitted to the Gisborne Hospital for Cov-19 but had contracted it while hospitalised has been extended.
    
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    June 17, 2023 12:37pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @ MW-
    Have you noticed how many people photographed in the court while on trial for criminal behaviour are wearing masks?
    There is one today, a young man whose dangerous driving caused a death.
    Who knew that mask wearing could be so useful for other purposes?
    
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    June 17, 2023 1:19pm
    - Ghost
      
      Had a Google. Don’t know if it is changed
      
      https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/publications/announcements/covid-19/court-protocols/high-court/high-court-and-district-court-jury-trial-guidelines/
      
      Masks
      
      8. All individuals present in a jury trial courtroom may wear a KN95 mask or a surgical mask. They are encouraged to do so when moving around the courtroom. Masks will be provided if required.
      
      9. The presiding judge may direct that all individuals present in the courtroom, or specified individuals present in the courtroom, must wear a KN95 mask or a surgical mask.
      
      10. Unless the presiding Judge directs otherwise, masks may be removed when speaking, including when witnesses are giving evidence and when counsel are questioning witnesses or presenting oral submissions.
      
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      June 17, 2023 1:22pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The presiding judge may direct that all individuals present in the courtroom, or specified individuals present in the courtroom, must wear a KN95 mask or a surgical mask.
        
        Unless you have an exemption. There is no law that can compel you to wear a mask if you choose not to.
        
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        June 17, 2023 1:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  @mtamati – I replied to KK’s post with a link to a study that shows that the more you vaccinate, the more prone to catching covid.
  
  Best ‘vaccine’ ever…….//
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:41pm
  - mtamati
    
    Clan…
    Despite 700 staff having caught Cov-19 after being fully inoculated for it, the hospital still has a policy not to employ or reemploy anyone who hasn’t had the injections.
    
    An OIA request for the latest medical/scientific evidence to support this policy has been extended as “more time is needed to retrieve the information” and that “consultations” are required before what should be readily available public information is released..
    
    The whole raison d’etre for the mandating of staff was to prevent the spread of the Cov-19 virus from them to patients. If 700 fully inoculated staff have had covid, what’s the chances of them having passed it on to patients before going on to take that incredible amount of sick leave?
    
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    June 17, 2023 2:51pm
  - miltonF
    
    It cracks me up how obvious everything is, yet some people continue to cling to the misinformation that supports their preconceived beliefs and biases.
    
    I mean come on. We had hardly any Covid infections and deaths. They were so desperate to get the numbers up that people who were shot in the head got put down as “died from Covid”. Then everyone got “vaccinated” and we achieved record infections and deaths and yet “nothing to see here”. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realise the vaccine was a failure of epic proportions. Enough already. Grow up deniers.
    
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    June 17, 2023 5:03pm
- krazykiwi
  
  @mtamati, that’s fascinating. Amazing how impervious our so-called leaders are to facts like this.
  
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  June 17, 2023 10:26pm
kevn

@mtamati… Multiply that by all Hospitals and you get big numbers.
Think real big and add all the mandated employees.
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June 17, 2023 11:02am
blue collar

Foon got harpooned
Woods been stoods
Carn October , let’s throw the whole shower of shit out
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June 17, 2023 12:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Woman.
https://babylonbee.com/video/spelling-bee-contestant-asks-the-definition-of-woman
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June 17, 2023 12:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brilliant
  
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  June 17, 2023 12:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You do know the ‘Bee’ is satire?
    Still brilliant.
    
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    June 17, 2023 1:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I have a fair idea of what is satire and what isn’t.
      
      Penwarden admitted at the outset that she was behind the communication, but maintained it was satire and never intended to be taken seriously.
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-national/fake-email-trial-protester-found-guilty-forgery
      
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      June 17, 2023 4:36pm
      - Swifty
        
        She fully intended that her communication was taken seriously.
        
        All the bloody time we are lectured by the left in NZ about the importance of the ‘rule of law’ and of the vital necessity of ‘rules-based order’ (Ardern used to bang on about it all the time).
        
        I look forward therefore to all lefties supporting the prosecution and punishment of this person and not campaign, for example, for her to be let off because of the supposed ‘virtuousness’ of her particular gripe.
        
        Letting her off would fundamentally degrade the ‘rule of law’ and the importance and necessity that it applies to everyone, equally and at all times.
        
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        June 17, 2023 7:46pm
Taieri

Plenty of concern for the predicament of the former president Trump here…

And in the meantime in the good old Aotearoa:

“A man who raped and sexually abused a young girl for years, including pinning her down and choking her, has been given an 85 percent discount off his sentence after he claimed prison would be difficult.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/man-who-raped-girl-given-home-detention
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June 17, 2023 12:56pm
- Ghost
  
  I found this interesting
  
  Hembrow asked the court to be “merciful” with sentencing West, noting that the charges would have been dealt with in the Youth Court had the latest offending, involving West touching the victim’s breast, not happened.
  
  So he did this when he was younger, but as an adult had touched her breasts. So the question I have was this after he sort treatment that was viewed as a success.
  
  But no surprise home detention for youth rape seems to be the norm now
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  12 months with a bracelet? Ridiculous.
  Guilty plea so the girl would not endure a trial? Lawyer interference here.
  He gets to do as he wishes, the girl has to endure this for life.
  Scumbag.
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:39pm
Ghost

Ummm, did I miss something, is the queen back?

Babbling Biden tells Connecticut crowd ‘God save the queen, man’ at end of baffling speech where he joked about being 110 and said ‘don’t make me a dog-faced lying pony soldier’

Article
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June 17, 2023 1:15pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Mr Biden is a very strange man – or non woman.
  Is there a Queen of America?
  Is she a real woman?
  What is her opinion of gun control?
  As this was the topic of the meeting.
  I suggest the people of America vote for the Queen. Might be more sensible than the others.
  
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  June 17, 2023 1:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Queens are all over in the kid’s schools.
    
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    June 17, 2023 1:40pm
- virtualmark
  
  It’s Biden’s idea of a (weird and unfunny) Dad joke. He’s used that exact same line before.
  
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  June 17, 2023 2:08pm
Ra Henare

Egg Prices.

I read a media report that NZ Egg Prices are up 76% over May last year.
Average cost of eggs $8.58 Doz.
Blame is put on grain prices due to Ukraine conflict.

Of course Russia gets the blame for restricting grain exports. But teh Journo and others miss the point that EU has banned grain exports from Ukraine!!!
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Import bans from neighboring EU Member States, initiated by Poland (see GAIN Report PL2023-0014)
are another issue impacting MY2022/23 exports from Ukraine to EU via Solidarity Lanes. The situation
culminated by the introduction of exceptional and temporary preventive measures on limited Ukrainian
imports by the EU until September 15, 2023.

https://tinyurl.com/UkraineGrain

The article also uses the dumb journalist trick of mixing percentages and actual numbers.

Egg prices up 75% one breeder says cost $4000 more this year for feed.

So once again. Lets look behind the scenes.
ITS THE BLOODY GOVERNMENT.

Banning cage eggs to satisfy the wet and weak leadership caving in to pressure groups.

As an aside.
I am living in Cambodia at the moment where egg prices are the same/similar as they were a year ago/2 years ago and plentiful supply.

I pay $2.90 NZD for 12 large(size 6 or 7)
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June 17, 2023 2:47pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s not the government to blame, most farmers were already preparing for the new regulations, one farm had spent I think it was $50 or $60 million shifting to the new regulations, then the supermarkets decided that they would only sell free range. Adding more cost to the farmers.
  
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  June 17, 2023 2:56pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Ghost, please re read your comment.
    
    Its not the government to blame.
    Who passed the new regulations, sky fairies???
    
    Which lead to the current situation.
    Who do you think pressured the supermarkets???
    
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    June 17, 2023 3:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      National passed it and all the farms had mostly transitioned to it. It was the supermarkets that stuffed it by deciding they will ignore those regulations and told the farmers they will only sell free range, so can’t blame the govt. The supermarkets are causing the problems by fucking over farmers who’d spent millions preparing for the regulations national passed
      
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      June 17, 2023 5:09pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Dont care which Government passed it. They still initiated the wokeness and hence increased prices.
        
        On the other hand Government/Commerce commission could have stomped on Supermarket for restrictive trade practices as the 2 major chains agreed.
        
        So governmnet initiated it and then failed to stop the restrictive trade practice.
        
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        June 17, 2023 6:36pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Another view on the GRAIN.
  Ukraine thing.
  
  https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/explainer-what-russias-problem-black-sea-grain-deal-3568391
  
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  June 17, 2023 3:23pm
- miltonF
  
  I tried to make this point on stuff news but they censored my comment. Typical. Truth is egg prices are high due to the sanctions that OUR govt has against Russia. Egg prices in Russia – $3 dozen. Egg prices here – $9 dozen.
  
  I’m not saying sanctions are good or bad but just making a point on the deflection of the media away from the true causes of our problems. Debate should be on whether we are happy to pay these costs for our stance on the Ukraine conflict, but the debate is being controlled to be focused on “greedy supermarkets” and regulation changes etc. Red herrings to distract away from reality.
  
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  June 17, 2023 5:12pm
  - Ghost
    
    Down here last week at pack n save tray of 20 eggs for $10. We typically go to the pet shop, which sells seconds and get a tray of 30 eggs for $12
    
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    June 17, 2023 5:47pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Local Countdown yesterday, the cheapest eggs were $10/ dozen for mini eggs, up to $14 for size 8.
      Maybe we pay more for “reasons” like why fuel is expensive here too at present.
      
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      June 17, 2023 7:13pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Immigration and Protection Tribunal gets it wrong again.

Indian mixed caste couple claim her family will kill her if she’s sent back to India. Hullo? There are 1.3B Indians, easy enough to hide among if the threat is real.

And – it’s just not our problem.

Kudos for INZ for getting it right first time around.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300904496/indian-woman-threatened-with-honour-killing-wins-fouryear-battle-to-stay-in-nz
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June 17, 2023 3:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Honour killing still seems to be a thing amongst high caste Hindus in the Punjab.
  
  https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2021/aug/22/book-reveals-shocking-stats-on-honour-killings-of-punjab-and-haryana-2348251.html
  
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  June 17, 2023 4:42pm
rjay

Seymour is being slammed by $tuff for comparing Opotiki to Mogadishu. And rightly so. San Francisco is a better comparison.
https://twitter.com/darren_stallcup/status/1668456281286537216
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June 17, 2023 4:14pm
- Colville
  
  at least in Mogadishu there was someone fighting back, in Opotiki the Cops have surrendered.
  
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  June 17, 2023 6:14pm
Prince

Stuff’s election campaign steps up a gear.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/132340511/the-case-of-the-koru-kerfuffle-cries-to-christopher-luxon-and-a-cancellation
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June 17, 2023 5:34pm
- Ghost
  
  I doubt luxon would have even seen those emails, customer support would have. The only reasons for this to be taken to the media is for political whinging. Stupid article.
  
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  June 17, 2023 5:46pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: What is Celibacy? Might be USA but seems to completely apply to us.
A lockdown by any other name… is still totalitarian.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-what-is-celibacy?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 17, 2023 5:35pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132350661/twenty-mongrel-mob-members-arrested-in-southland-sting
How many will be charged ?
How many will be given bail ?
How many on bail will reoffend ?
How many, if charged and found guilty, will be let off by weak judges ?
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