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Warren

Mike Hosking doesn’t tolerate stupidity or fools and quickly shuts down the arrogance of Kieran McNulty Labour Party Minister’s suggestion that Labour are at $1.87 to win the upcoming election.
Mike Hosking wagered a bet with McNulty of $1,000 to go to charity betting he is wrong.
Obviously Labour believes they have a ace up their sleeve and are waiting to bring out the bribe at a later date to help win the 2023 General Election.
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August 3, 2023 8:00am
- Dougal10
  
  The special maori category on the voting form I got yesterday probably gives some people 2 votes .
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:51am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  That explains why the mug taxpayer had to bail out the TAB. The TAB employed too many numpties like Kieran McNulty.
  Labour are paying about $3.30 with Ladbrokes.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:31am
- goNZ1
  
  after all the recent panicky headlines about a northern hemisphere record heatwave, today we read on Newsflub ” It wasn’t just New Zealand having chilly temperatures, with Tonga recording its coldest temperature in 30 years.”
  
  Hilarious!
  
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  August 3, 2023 1:09pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep it was just hyperventilating BS from the braindead media, and the grifters on the alarmist payroll, who should know better, not calling it out:
    
    Germans Will Need To Turn On Heat As Cold, Wet Weather Sets To Grip Country In Early August:
    
    https://notrickszone.com/2023/07/29/germans-will-need-to-turn-on-heat-as-cold-wet-weather-sets-to-grip-country-in-early-august/
    
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    August 3, 2023 1:39pm
    - I remember when
      
      Bugger me.
      Extended colder spell to disrupt average temperature.
      Average or above rainfall to lessen ‘wild fire’ opportunity.
      
      Still, it’s only a prediction to date.
      
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      August 3, 2023 2:50pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Munich weather forecast:
        
        Thu
        23°
        15°
        Fri
        21°
        14°
        Sat
        19°
        13°
        Sun
        15°
        10°
        Mon
        12°
        8°
        Tue
        22°
        10°
        
        Next Mon a high of 12C! It’s mid summer there!
        
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        August 3, 2023 3:59pm
      - Colville
        
        Munich is about 48 degrees North? the same as 150 kms South of Stewart island…hardly the tropics!
        
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        August 3, 2023 4:29pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        True Colville but also right next to massive continental land masses (Europe and Africa) which can send a lot of warm air. It’s quite often pretty warm in summer there.
        
        The point is it ain’t “boiling”.
        
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        August 3, 2023 5:00pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I can echo NZ in Exile, I lived in Essen (NRW) for 2 years (2006 &07), in 2006 we experienced a heatwave over Europe, it was hot & dry. 2007 summer started hot, and disintegrated into a cold & wet summer across northern & western Europe.
        
        Because Central & southern Germany is away from the coast you get extremes. The heatwaves Europe experiences is because of the hot air that comes north from Africa and across the Med. This is not unusual and happens regularly.
        
        The summer of 06 was hot across western Europe, while the summer of 07 was wet and miserable, with flooding from the UK to Poland. That was a standard climatic cycle, it happened, life moved on.
        
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        August 3, 2023 8:13pm
Simon

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Apparently the govt.borg.nz books are a mess. This is no surprise. It happened last time with the incoming Key govt. Sounds a lot worse this time.

What will the incoming National govt do this time? The usual, mass immigration from the third world to boost GDP & tax revenue year on year, govt hiring and service freezes and under fund asset programs. But essentially National will maintain the shit weight anti-society borg.govt.nz.

National will ensure the productive of NZ will carry the full cost and harm that six years of Labo utter failure has produced. Big borg.govt.nz will bear no real consequences. This is why National are so useless.
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August 3, 2023 8:03am
- sirknz
  
  National will ensure the productive of NZ will carry the full cost and harm that six years of Labo utter failure has produced.
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  Um, just exactly who else was going to carry this?
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:02am
- Andy from Auckland
  
  Is this supposed to convince me to vote Labour?
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:09am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  “It happened last time with the incoming Key govt”. Except it didn’t Simon, you just made that up. And FYI, something has to be done that is not just grandstanding, virtue signaling University Politician dross (a.k.a Labour Party Policy) to bring the NZ economy back from the darkside. To be fair though, nothing is any different from any other election. Labour want to slice the pie into ever smaller equal pieces (equal sharing of misery), National want to grow the pie, with everyone getting larger slices of unequal size (unequal sharing of blessings).
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  OMG Simon you talk some utter crap sometimes.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:27am
Matt Long

How Julian Batchelor could avoid protesters at his events, hold them in the morning.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0bibQDc8e9qMzeRHaQKQgGL3xzwCHUUyUX9CBKQGYKQfdJP3j3Bav8EXvCSFseN9Zl&id=100046814838133&eav=Afah01hxQDlHV7luA1hWM6P7HEQwMSvfRl-Qh77UM1GbXyGuT2eHIuZG5XUc_UFFwD8&m_entstream_source=group&ref=m_notif&notif_t=group_activity&paipv=0
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August 3, 2023 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is a bloody good idea! I doubt these dropkick rent-a-mob protesters would get their lazy arses out of bed before lunchtime.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:11am
- Matt Long
  
  Peterson is starting an online university where a bachelor’s degree costs $4000 to combat woke universities that are ripping off students. https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-jordan-peterson-launching-online-university-counter-left-wing-bias-system-ripe-extreme-upset
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:11am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    The Climate Hysterics are losing the war attle by battle. The UK Government is issuing licenses to explore for oil and gas in the North Sea. Germany and other European countries are walking back on Net Zero. They have woken up and realised unless they cripple their economies and saddle their citizens with unsustainable energy prices they have to stick to fossil fuel as at least part of their energy supply. Only the Aussies are continuing down the road of madness. They are closing coal fired power stations and exporting their coal to China expecting to cover large parts of native forest with solar and wind farms. The costs of wind and solar far out weigh coal fires power stations or nuke plants yet the Albo Government insists on this route to economic destruction. This should worry ever thinking citizen here. If the Oz ecomony crashes it impacts the NZ economy big time.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:07am
    - BarryB
      
      The new head (Jim Skea)of the IPCC has made an interesting start. He said “Its not helpful to imply that a temperature rise of 1.5 degree C is an existential threat to humanity”.
      https://www.dw.com/en/climate-change-do-not-overstate-15-degrees-threat/a-66386523
      
      Maybe the IPCC has started to see that the alarmist models of about 15 years ago are way over estimating the rate of climate change.
      There is also a growing realisation that a warmer world may in fact be better for humanity. Yes some areas will become harder to live in but greater areas will become easier to live in and food production will increase with a bit more CO2.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:31am
      - jedmo
        
        Interesting to see the exploding head response of the NZ head of the climate scam, history professor Heyward. Dissension in the ranks, awesome.
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:19am
    - Southtop2
      
      There is some writing on the wall 🙂
      https://joannenova.com.au/2023/08/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-net-zero/
      
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      August 3, 2023 1:13pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      lastmanstanding: “Only the Aussies are continuing down the road of madness. ”
      
      The day/s of reckoning in Aus are approaching. All the ingredients for a NZ-style dysfunctional shitshow are there. Just add a bit of time. Australia doesn’t have a lot of Hydro and no commercial scale geothermal. It will, like Germany, the UK and many other energy-idiocy following countries hit the renewables energy supply wall in the near future. Once you hit around 50% renewables it all turns to poo. Costly walk backs will then follow, while people bake, freeze and die due to brownouts and blackouts.
      
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      August 3, 2023 2:51pm
  - cmm
    
    I was looking at doing an MSc and PhD, then laughed it off.
    
    To do this in NZ would have cost me a pile and there are no universities that teach the stuff I am looking for anyway. I’d also have had to subject myself to a whole lot of woke bollocks too.
    
    The other option was to do it online at an overseas university. A few do that for what I am interested in, but no single university covers what I am interested in. But bloody expensive.
    
    So I have opted for a more informal route – doing various online courses through a few different providers: coursera, edX, … many of these offer what one would consider MSc-level material at a fraction of the cost and often free.
    
    OK, I don’t get to join the illustrious people calling themselves doctor, but at least I also don’t have to submit to wokery I am not interested in either.
    
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    August 3, 2023 2:47pm
Matt Long

In answer to a question yesterday, David Seymour has ruled out working with NZ First.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300941951/act-categorically-rules-out-working-with-winston-peters-and-nz-first
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August 3, 2023 8:04am
- Colville
  
  Yeah I just saw this.
  
  Oh happy happy day 😁😁😁
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:09am
- cmm
  
  If Luxon does this too (?? has he ??) then that will completely take NZF out of the water.
  Most NZF support seems to be centred around “keeping National honest”. That goes away if National refuses to work with them.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:11am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Christopher Luxon posesses integrity.
    
    Winston Peter’s has zero integrity.
    
    Luxon will rule out Peter’s before the election.
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:21am
    - mandk
      
      He should do.
      
      If he does that, it will become clear that the only route into power for Peters would be to support a Lab/Grn/TPM coalition.
      
      Even many of the numpties who like Peters would then decide they had better not enable that to happen, and his vote would slip to around 2%.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:19am
    - MikeMan
      
      Do not hold your breath
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:29am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      If he has half a strategic brain he will do so. Seymour has boxed him in very cleverly, knowing that Luxon knows he won’t form a government without ACT.
      
      However, as usual, I predict Luxon will vacillate and flap his hands, and in trying desperately to avoid anyone disliking him will “refuse to rule out working with any party that helps to improve the lot of New Zealanders.” Or some similar drivel.
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:19am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Was just listening to some of the interview of D Brash by R Hide on Reality Check Radio. Brash also believes that Seymour will be significantly keeping the Nat wets honest.
        
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        August 3, 2023 1:59pm
  - Debsta
    
    Luxon ruled out NZF ages ago I thought
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:34am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      No, that was the Maori Party.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:07am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        LUXON RULES OUT TE PĀTI MĀORI:
        https://www.national.org.nz/luxon_rules_out_te_pati_maori
        
        Any meaningful consequences for reneging on that promise?
        
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        August 3, 2023 1:45pm
    - cmm
      
      Maybe he did, but he has to make sure the message is out there and clear.
      
      I am by no means a political pundit, but I would expect I am more politically informed than the average voter. If Luxon’s position isn’t crystal clear to me, then sure as nuts 90% of Joe Average voters are not aware of what it is.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:19am
      - Colville
        
        I dont believe Luxon has at all.
        
        and there is a huge difference between ruling out Winston and ruling out working with NZF.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do it Luxon. Rid us of this peril.
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:42am
  - kowtow
    
    The real issue is keeping Peters honest .
    
    How his support base doesn’t get it is beyond me.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:22am
    - Colville
      
      the average voter is pretty thick…and half of the voters are worse than that!
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:36am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep looking at the graphics for polling since the covid catastrophe , the massive support then and now down to nearly their historic lows , says awful lot abot the “average ‘voter.
        
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        August 3, 2023 10:10am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      How do you keep someone honest who has proven himself time and time again to be anything but?
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:21am
  - Frank the tank
    
    So it appears that many on this website don’t want options should the election result be tight.
    
    So in essence would prefer not to be in government rather than in government with support from NZF.
    
    That strategy worked a treat for Bill English 6 years ago….
    
    You do realise labour/greens/maori = destruction of the democratic country of New Zealand. FFS.
    
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    August 3, 2023 11:11am
- Notsofast
  
  Two cunning part Maori at war.
  What a surprise.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:40am
  - Nickc2
    
    Intertribal rivalry. Get used to it. It’ll be the straw that broke the camel’s back under a co-governance regime if the coalition of fools wins the election.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:33am
    - Notsofast
      
      People might remember Muldoon calling Tipene O’Regan by that witticism but unfortunately until people think about the DNA pie chart they will be led like lambs by this tomfoolery.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:48am
- Clownworld
  
  It’s all a performance. Seymour will do anything for power. So will Winston. So will Luxon. They are politicians based on pragmatics and compromise not principles. Watch the changes in words before, right before and post election. It is all a game of thrones.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:56am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    To be fair Mr Clownworld, they do have to get voted in to have any effect at all! They are up against a fairly indifferent and timid population, a disgusting Soviet style media, and the lefty back room dirt machine which includes lefty big tech.
    
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    August 3, 2023 3:27pm
- Joe Banana
  
  Yes, he probably read this article from Graham Adams that appearded on Bassett, Brash & Hyde link to article here.
  
  https://outlook.live.com/mail/0/inbox/id/AQQkADAwATMwMAItMDkyZC0zMwBlMS0wMAItMDAKABAAazOSjIGaCE2S1acO4MI5Rg%3D%3D
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:05am
- Kiwiguy
  
  Really, the best way to keep Peters out of parliament is very simple:
  Make parliament an alcohol-free venue.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:53am
Tony Stuart

Global Boiling struck with a vengeance last night. There’s white stuff on the hills around Whanganui visible from my lounge which I can only conclude is ash from all the wildfires in the Greek Islands…
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August 3, 2023 8:05am
- Colville
  
  We have freezing southerly winds here KS… I am sitting here with nothing but my nose and phone out of the water of the spa pool 😎
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:11am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Given you must have composed that comment by pressing keys with your nose, I heartily commend you on your patience and ability to find the right letters without going cross-eyed!
    
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    August 3, 2023 10:26am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Second frost for the year here in Matua (Tauranga) I expect another 1 or 2 this month. That makes it a cooler winter than last year when we had 2 frosts. But it has been – IMO – the wettest year in this area that I can remember in my 81 years, and I grew up in this region of the Bay of Plenty apart from 8 years around NZ and 10 years in Oz.
      Thank you Tonga, for your volcano.
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:57am
    - Colville
      
      or my phone is in a ziplock bag!!
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:58am
- rockape
  
  Your right, it’s clearing the muddy waters. If you want a National led government then vote National. If you want a slightly more right wing government vote ACT. If you want a cluster **** vote left or NZ First.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
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    Or don’t vote at all. I doubt I’ll be voting for anyone who is too cowardly to acknowledge the horrific treatment of a substantial number of innocent people during one of the worst periods of NZ history.
    
    Luxon has stated clearly, he doesn’t need my vote. Glad to hear it.
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:26am
    - john1234
      
      By all means don’t vote. But if you don’t vote then please don’t whine about the next government.
      
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      August 3, 2023 8:32am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I won’t.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:46am
      - septic skeptic
        
        If there isn’t a party you want to support, not voting is a valid choice. It doesn’t in any way imply that you have to be happy with the resulting government. Quite the contrary. IMO voting for the lesser of evils is what has allowed National to move firmly centre left.
        
        That said, I’m voting ACT.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:51am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I’ve always found it ridiculous when people say “Well, if you don’t vote, you can’t complain!”
        
        Utter nonsense – you can vote or not vote and (regardless of which) you can complain to your heart’s content. You don’t have to show papers proving you voted before complaining. Knock yourself out.
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:22am
    - Random T Person
      
      Clan I feel you on this, but I am gonna hold my nose and vote for the Quisling Seymour again. Politics is all about choosing the least rascally of the scoundrels.
      
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      August 3, 2023 8:33am
      - bennerg
        
        I sense there are a lot of people in this country who share Clan’s views. Winston has realised this and taking advantage. Sadly, and I shake my head at times when trying to understand why, rational people do not see or fully comprehend the lies we have been told, and demand accountability:
        
        1. Covid came naturally from bats, not a lab
        2. Novel “Vaccines” were invented rapidly by hard working scientists using “modern technology”
        3. These new “vaccines” are just as safe as the old ones and don’t need testing due to “modern technology”
        4. Lockdowns were necessary to prevent total catastrophe
        5. Masks are effective against covid
        
        I read the scientific papers, even the early ones, and mRNA technology was known as “gene therapy” until the PR guys and gals got their hands on it. Couldn’t get the public confused with anti GMO sentiment could we now!
        
        mRNA “vaccine” patents were applied for before the WHO announced a pandemic.
        
        Strict testing regimes established after the thalidomide tragedy in the 60’s were simply bypassed with a statement that “they were not needed”. Excess mortality now tells another story.
        
        Effectiveness of masks was a complete shamozzle, with even Fauci and Bloomfield questioning their effectiveness at times, only to have the politicians step in and see masks as part of the conditioning process to get people to conform.
        
        Again, if you follow the science, you see all the above have been lies. What is required now is to follow the money, to see who truly has benefited.
        
        If any ACT supporters are here, they need to email David Seymour and push for a full independent investigation of not just Covid, it’s assessment, and the political response, but the influence that the Pharmaceutical industry has on our health (sic) system, and the decision making processes.
        
        Demanding a full release of the contract with Pfizer would also help. In doing so ACT would mop up all those considering voting for Winston, and garner a couple more MP’s.
        
        Unless of course he signed up for something we know nothing about?
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:32am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        RTP – I fully understand. Things might change in the next two months, but to say I’m disappointed would be the understatement of my life.
        
        I have never had a lot of respect for too many politicians, but the last 3 years have brought every single one of them into the gutter. 121 so called ‘representatives’, yet not a single one has the spine to speak out. It’s a tragedy.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:57am
      - mawm
        
        bennerg – well said. I have previously written to my electorate MP, who just happens to be Seymour, and the answer received indicated that he is thoroughly immersed in the covid vaccine rort.
        
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        August 3, 2023 12:04pm
    - surfing
      
      Vote labour then. Or the greens?
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:17am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Don’t be stupid.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:59am
      - wreck1080
        
        [Mod – try again without all the personal insults]
        
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        August 3, 2023 10:59am
      - wreck1080
        
        Ha, it was tongue in cheek, thought it would get through — they insult me, I insult them, in a fun way I think. They’re all good people (even krazykiwi haha), even if we disagree on things.
        
        There does need to be a political party for those with conspiracy theories.
        
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        August 3, 2023 4:17pm
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Hipkins will be hoping more people like yourself do not vote as it will help him stay in power.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:34am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Well who’s fault will that be? I don’t make the policies that people vote on.
        
        Anyway, National are going to win in a landslide according to most commenters, enjoy the party.
        I have family and friends who have lost jobs and relationships, I now find I have close relatives suffering with health issues, a very good chance they are jab related.
        
        You want me to vote for those who fully supported the actions that enabled this to happen? I will, when they acknowledge they got it wrong and tell me they won’t let it happen again. If that’s too much to ask for then it’s a society I don’t really care to be part of.
        
        I’ll put my energy into supporting my friends and family in whatever way I can. I realise I won’t be getting any help from any of the politicians in NZ.
        
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        August 3, 2023 10:04am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Deontological (as opposed to Utilitarian) ethics and voting is a luxury, and after 6 years of Labour NZ is so far down the hole we can no longer afford any luxuries as a country.
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:38am
      - mawm
        
        Clan – I support your stand wholeheartedly. In fact I will take it further and get as involved as I can to fight off the globalists and their pathway to take away our freedoms. I have no doubt that with the slavish support our politicians have given/are giving to the covid narrative that each and every one of them is a globalist.
        I will never give Winston even the time of day as I have my suspicions that someone from the WEF offered him a handsome reward for going with Labour. That’s how they and Winston work.
        
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        August 3, 2023 12:13pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Might as well vote for a smaller party with principles you largely agree with.
      
      People in other countries would literally die to get the vote.
      
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      August 3, 2023 2:57pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Sure, but say that and you get abused for wasting the vote!!
        
        My vote won’t make any difference to the outcome of this election. The concern for National and Act should be, how many people feel the same way as I do? That’s the conundrum they are faced with. Do they ignore any question about covid policies and vaccine issues and hope the protest vote is small?
        
        Or do they do the right thing and admit there were problems and many people got unfairly treated?
        
        Obviously my problem is I see this as a simple choice, but apparently many kiwibloggers think I am failing to understand the complexities of politics. So be it. Then I won’t take part in politics!
        
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        August 4, 2023 10:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If you want a government that will do the most to roll back the economic, social and cultural disaster thus Labour cluster-whatsit has left us, party vote ACT.
    
    You’ll get National and ACT, and best of all you won’t get the Great Charlatan, and neither will we.
    
    PS: we don’t have a right-wing party in New Zealand.
    
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    August 3, 2023 10:30am
- Matt Long
  
  Yesterday I heard, maybe on Scott Adams’ talk, the area of global forest fires is at historic lows, maybe that’s why they need to send out arsonists in Greece and Canada to support the narrative?
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:24am
  - All_on_Red
    
    This is an old article but Fires were worse in the 20’s and 30’s.
    The data goes from 1926-2017
    https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/image.png
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:40am
    - All_on_Red
      
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/09/19/the-new-normal-for-western-forest-fires-not-necessarily/
      
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      August 3, 2023 8:41am
- Random T Person
  
  We got some dusting on Mt Tarawera out here in the Bay of Plenty, too. Shiver me timbers!
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Hail storm here in the North, 7 degrees at 8am this morning. Keeping the fire lit!
    
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    August 3, 2023 10:05am
- kowtow
  
  As already mentioned ;
  
  I reckon it’s the fallout from that Tonga volcano .
  
  While the Luvvies blither on about man made climate nonsense , those volcanoes have had a huge effect on climate down through history .
  
  One bigly one was the 1783 Icelandic Laki eruption which literally changed the course of history.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:26am
  - waikatosinger
    
    I reckon it is the big La Nina we have been having for the last year and a bit. Warm seas around the country. Winds mostly from the NE. Mild temperatures and lots and lots of rain, especially in the East.
    
    We are now shifting into an equally big El Nino. Seas are cooling. Expect strong winds from the SW. It will be much dryer with most rain on the west coast. Brown grass, empty hydro lakes, and eventually drought in places.
    
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    August 3, 2023 11:12am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Its both
      The Volcano increased Water Vapour content. Originally they estimated by 5-10% but are now saying by over 17%(of the total atmosphere).
      
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      August 3, 2023 3:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  First time I’ve ever lit a fire in the morning….
  
  tho’ I do have a recovering hubby playing at Grumpy old man in the living room.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:34am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Tony. Wife is in UK at moment, it’s supposedly 18 degrees in London, but she told me she’s bloody frozen!!
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:06am
- Ghost
  
  I think our winter hasn’t been as cold here, the ground hasn’t frozen. Our summers have been cooler the past few years, snow on the hills in summer, hopefully a warmer summer is coming
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:18am
- John Loveridge
  
  It is 4°C outside my window right now. I’m looking out at grey wet misery and thanking my lucky stars I don’t have to go out.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:19am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  NIWA’s prediction for this winter…
  “Winter temperatures are most likely to be above average in the west of the North Island and north and west of the South Island. Temperatures are about equally likely to be near average or above average in all other regions.”
  I’d hate to be around when temperatures are _below_ average.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:34am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    OK so the climate will be somewhere near average this year (with possibly a tinge of, drumroll…. warming). We’ll let you know if it all turns out to be cooler (NOT).
    
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    August 3, 2023 3:02pm
slightlyrighty

Reporting on Last Nights poll infers that Labour can take hope from Hipkins rating as Preferred PM of 24%, a lead of 8.1% over Luxon.

However, the same polling organisation had Ardern at 29.9%, a lead of 8.4%, just prior to her resignation.

So Hipkins is polling worse than Ardern, and Labour is supposed to be taking hope from this??
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August 3, 2023 8:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Curiously (//) and for no particular reason I can think of (//), they failed to mention that Hipkins’ preferred PM rating is the lowest for any sitting Prime Minister in New Zealand history – well, since they started canvassing people on such a thing, anyway.
  
  Just 3 weeks ago (11 July) the Horrid had this to say about the Talbot Mills poll (that also showed Labour support declining to 31%):
  
  “The bad news did not stop there for Labour, with leader Chris Hipkins tumbling six points to 32 per cent in the Preferred Prime Minister poll.”
  
  So 3 weeks ago it was disaster when he dropped 6 points to 32 percent. Now he’s lost a quarter of that support, yet they’re trumpeting that Labour supporters can “take hope from Hipkins’ preferred PM” rating of just 24.9% !!!
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:39am
Matt Long

Craig Jepson at KDC would impress B Yu by not incorporating pidgin into council documents and given equal rights a high priority.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/iwi-flabbergasted-kaipara-mayor-craig-jepson-claimed-they-were-consulted-about-te-reo-exclusion/FUTHZFU72BCCXH5OBBUVK7OI64/
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August 3, 2023 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One document in English only, and one in Maori only. None of this bastardising either language.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:17am
  - softail 1450
    
    Steve Otto, Yes please ,we are completely over this butchered English that is starting to become a tsunami of nonsensical garbage that is defeating the purpose of written and spoken words by confusing 95% of the population.
    Are they going to go around the Country changing the 10s of thousands of Maori street names with an English translation as well ? NO.
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The area I live in is all English names. It was the Morriggia Estate, a sheep and dairy farm. Just leave the names as they ere thanks. There is one exception, the lead in road is Maori.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:37am
  - pdm
    
    Maybe there is some future hope.
    
    Our electoral confirmation of personal details for mrspdm and I arrived earlier in the week. All in English – first time in recent years, maybe even the last ten years.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This says it all
  
  “Skipper said separating te reo stopped it from becoming a “common language” for all New Zealanders.”
  
  Where in the world does this work? Mixing two languages together will never be affective in someone learning one of those languages. Indeed there is a whole literature that covers techniques of learning new languages.
  
  If a an English speaker encounters a non English word in a sentence, they stop reading. If they encounter multiple words they stop. For good.
  
  The person quoted as saying “separating te reo stopped it from becoming a “common language” for all New Zealanders.”” has revealed the plan. It has NOTHING to do with making these documents more accessible to speakers of the Maori language. It is an attempt to force English speakers to learn the Maori language.
  
  Totally unproductive. Dropping Mandarin words into Council documents would be fun. But it would not produce Mandarin speakers.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:28am
  - Notsofast
    
    Three versions would work.
    English only
    Maori only
    Paragraph by paragraph both versions.
    This would foster the language if people want it. No one could complain surely?
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:46am
    - pdm
      
      Be bloody pain ful to read Notso.
      
      Just like some Stuff stuff.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:08am
      - Joely Doe
        
        $1uffed stopped that practice, right after suspending my account for complaining about it.
        They then changed to exactly what I suggested, articles in either English or Maori.
        Still didn’t unsuspend my account, until I acknowledge my ‘racism’.
        Never been back.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:24am
      - Notsofast
        
        Actually I would be genuinely interested at how good the original spoken would be at complex ideas. The real issue is that original Maori may not be fit for purpose and why should it be. Some true scholarship on the utility of the original tongue would be far more interesting than the fakery being promoted through the system.
        
        @Joely Doe
        When Spark and Vodaphone colluded with Young New Zealander of the year you could see clearly where you went wrong I hope, and how you should mend your ways.
        
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        August 3, 2023 10:04am
      - muzled
        
        ooops, hit report instead of reply! 🙁
        
        Meant to say @Joely Doe, the fact you’ve never been back is a big improvement to your life.
        
        I’ve not read $tuffed for well over 5 years and miss it like a hole in the head.
        
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        August 3, 2023 10:14am
      - John Loveridge
        
        Joely Doe: was that actually a condition for unsuspending your account? If so, well, I’d tell them where to go.
        
        I still follow the odd link to Stuff articles when posted here for example, but every time I’m reminded why I essentially stopped looking at the site three or four years ago. Then came their groveling, hand-wringing, contemptible “apology” for being nasty racists and I decided I’d never waste my time on them ever again.
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I would complain. I speak and read English.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:22am
    - Local Miller
      
      Why not 4 versions just to waste another 25%? The forth one could be the mangled English and Maori currently being used. I know the only one I’ll look at is the all English one.
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:04am
      - Notsofast
        
        The irony is the prisons would be empty if all kids could read before the Hipkins’ schools screw them.
        
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        August 3, 2023 10:25am
  - graham
    
    I (very occasionally) catch the bus in Auckland, and praise where it is due, AT seems to have the correct approach in this regard.
    
    When you are approaching a bus stop, an automated announcement informs you of the stop’s name, and also occasionally that it is a transfer point for other destinations. The announcements are made in Maori, then in English. No mixing of the languages, just the information read out entirely in Maori and then entirely in English.
    
    It works. The passengers can clearly identify which stop is coming up, and for regular passengers who were at all interested they could listen to the Maori announcements and start learning some of the words.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:03am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      AT’s approach is incorrect and contradicts the recommended way to announce or publish things if you want to do so in more than one language. You make the announcement in the dominant language first, in this case being English of course.
      
      There won’t be one New Zealand passenger waiting for any bus in Auckland who speaks Maori but doesn’t understand English, not one. Get the information out as quickly and efficiently as possible, than add any secondary announcements so the vast majority of us hear what we need to hear and can ignore anything else.
      
      I would hate to have to listen through an announcement in a language I don’t understand, try and figure out when it has finished and then program my ears and brain to start paying attention. Fortunately, the chance of me catching a bus are about as likely as bumping into Maggie Pie at the bus-stop.
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:53am
      - Ehlana
        
        On the other hand Lodden, doing it in Maori first gives the English speaking majority a warning that an announcement is coming up and they should start listening. It’s really annoying when you miss the start of an announcement.
        
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        August 3, 2023 2:49pm
  - Matt Long
    
    I think everyone knows there would be little interest in a completely Maori language District plan, protagonists are trying to force Maori on the population by mixing it into English documents.
    The only reason for reading a Maori version would be for lawyers to play a semantic game like they have with the TOW and change the intended meaning.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You mean add words like “forestry and fisheries” to the Treaty like Sir Hugh Kawharu did?
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:25am
  - Rusty
    
    @Benedict,
    
    English is a universal language even in non-English speaking countries English is the secondary language.
    
    English brings people together in this country not Te Reo.
    
    If someone wants to learn Te Reo then fine but don’t say its a language that brings people together.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:21am
  - graham
    
    Benedict Yu – absolutely, the plan is quite definitely an attempt to force English speakers to learn the Maori language. This is “The Crown’s Strategy for Māori Language Revitalisation 2019 – 2023“.
    
    https://www.tpk.govt.nz/documents/download/documents-5540/tpk-maihi-karauna-strategy-en-2019.pdf
    
    In this document, Nanaia Mahuta states:
    
    I don’t want te reo Māori to be something we hear only on the marae and in other formal settings. I want to hear tamariki who learn te reo Māori at school talking Māori to each other as they play, I want to hear it in the sporting arenas and shopping malls, I want to sit down at any restaurant in Aotearoa and order my meal in te reo Māori.
    
    The goals of this strategy include:
    
    Audacious Goal 1: By 2040, 85 per cent of New Zealanders (or more) will value te reo Māori as a key element of national identity
    
    The first audacious goal seeks to establish te reo Māori as a key part of national identity in the national psyche.
    
    Audacious Goal 2: By 2040, one million New Zealanders (or more) will have the ability and confidence to talk about at least basic things in te reo Māori
    
    Audacious Goal 2 in this strategy supports an audacious goal in the Maihi Māori, which states that ‘by 2040, one million people (or more) will be using te reo Māori in community immersion domains’.
    
    So yes, there is most certainly a plan – a Crown Strategy, actually – to force English speakers to learn the Maori language.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:23am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I want to sit down at any restaurant in Aotearoa and order my meal in te reo Māori.”
      
      I doubt that you could do that at ANY restaurant in New Zealand. 🙄
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:59am
      - alwyn.a
        
        I think you would be able to do that at Hiakai in Wellington.
        I wouldn’t recommend it though. It is the most pretentious place I have ever been to and it is ridiculously expensive. I was taken there. I would have been very unhappy if it had been my own money.
        
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        August 3, 2023 2:39pm
    - Piticus
      
      Nanaia Mahuta will be waiting a long time for her meal and is going to be a very hungry lady if she gets her wishes !
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:20am
      - Opie
        
        I’m pretty sure she isn’t going hungry
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:21am
  - Bullion
    
    If a an English speaker encounters a non English word in a sentence, they stop reading. If they encounter multiple words they stop. For good.
    
    no one would learn to read (or learn to read past a basic level) if what you said had any truth to it, they would stop at ‘ad hoc’ or ‘per capita’ etc.
    
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    August 3, 2023 11:33am
- cmm
  
  When we think or exchange ideas we need symbols. Those symbols we use are words. And surrounding those words we have a language and a culture.
  
  For example look at Africa and the way stuff just falls apart for lack of maintenance – particularly preventative maintenance .
  
  There isn’t a Zulu word for maintenance. There is one for fixing something, but not for the general concept of maintenance. So we have a mindset issue in Africa that maintenance means fixing stuff. ie. first wait for it to break, then fix it. The idea of preventative maintenance is beyond comprehension.
  
  There’s a myth (whether or not it is true is really inconsequential) that the Eskimo/Inuit people have 27 different words for snow. It would make sense because different types of snow mean different things in their life and the subtleties are important.
  Us Europeans really only have a few words for snow: snow, sleet and yup, that’s about it.
  
  Imagine the frustration an Eskimo/Inuit would have trying to convey some of their detailed snow knowledge to a clueless European. Only a small fraction of those ideas can really be exchanged effectively.
  
  And so it is with a language like Maori trying to be used in a modern world of engineering, accounting etc. It really just does not work.
  
  Sure, keep Maori language for places where it works – like cultural/mythological usage – but don’t try to use it for steering a complex organisation like a country or city council.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:35am
  - Jack5
    
    CMM’s words as symbols …
    
    But some words may create concepts or distinctions.
    
    The Russian language has two types of “blue”. I understand the modern Greek language is similar in this.
    
    The argument rolls on whether ancient Greeks could see any type of “blue” at all. The discussion stems from Homer’s description of the “wine-dark sea”.
    
    Sceptics say the old Greeks’ wine was coloured by some sort of additives.
    
    However, pre-colonisation Maori did not have a separate word for “blue” – everything was overed by the word used for green.
    
    According to the source at the link below, Japanese language distinction between blue and green apparently began only a little over a hundred years ago.
    
    “Pink” colour entered the English language only about 300 years ago.
    
    What came first in English minds and perceptions? A separate colour? Or did the word and the concept grow together?
    
    https://www.k-international.com/blog/colors-in-other-languages/#:~:text=The Pirahã language has only 2 colour terms.&text=Other languages notable for having,blue, red, green and purple
    
    Apologies for the long link word.
    
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    August 3, 2023 1:51pm
    - cmm
      
      Many wines are a dark purple, especially the older types of wines and when they’re talking of wine-dark seas it is normally talking of an ominous stormy sea which can often be very dark.
      
      There are quite a few languages where there is not much distinction between green/blue/black/dark etc.
      
      In Zulu blue and green have the same word: luhlaza. But most Zulu people will use iblowu which is picked up from English (blue) or Dutch (blouw).
      
      The Zulu number system is extremely cumbersome and almost impossible to use. As a result, Zulu people tend to flip over into English for anything bigger than counting to three.
      
      Munya, mabile, matahu, four, five,…
      
      Some of the “Zulu” words were probably planted there by missionary school teachers. For example the word for 100 is inkhulu (which literally means “big”) and the word for thousand basically means “very big”. It is likely that few Zulu people ever needed to count as high as 100, so this is probably an introduced concept.
      
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      August 3, 2023 6:09pm
      - H. Upmann
        
        Interesting indeed. I like the simplicity of BIG and VERY BIG.
        Being supposedly “civilised” has made life for us complicated in too many situations.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:04pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The word ‘orange’ didn’t enter the English language until oranges became common in the UK. Until then, anything orange was described as red.
      
      Hence, Robin red-breast.
      
      Thank you, QI.
      
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      August 3, 2023 8:15pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I did send him an email thanking him and giving him my support for what it’s worth. He replied and thanked me. The small stuff can help.
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I rather like the cut of Mr Jepson’s jib.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:04am
dave_c_

It seems to me that the incumbent government in NZ, is behaving in a very similar fashion to other governments around the world, across many policy scenarios.

I believe that this is due to WEF, and other NWO (‘Great reset’) dictates pressure on all governments to toe the line (or else).
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August 3, 2023 8:07am
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm….

I see where Justin Trudeau has left his wife of 18 years.

Just saying.
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August 3, 2023 8:09am
- cmm
  
  Is he chasing fresher eggs?
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:12am
  - Dougal10
    
    Maybe his plane ride pal
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:25am
  - imalwaysright
    
    She got tired of the man child.
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:28am
    - pdm
      
      IAR – I thought that was Macron.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:10am
- pdm
  
  MP – is Jacinda heading to Canada to console him?
  
  After all:
  1. She bludged a ride on his plane.
  2. She and Trudeau were that close President Donald Trump had to ask if she was Trudeau’s wife.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    What an unholy alliance……
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:28am
    - Michael Sommerville
      
      They deserve one another.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:00am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Nothing wrong with that, as long as they both stay in Canada. Preferably somewhere on Baffin Island.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Canada is welcome to her.
    How to fuck your Country 2.0
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:49am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I heard a fairly good analysis suggesting Trudes is basically a toy boy script reader who doesn’t know much and the real ringmaster is the deputy PM.
      
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      August 3, 2023 3:32pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Is the fishing guy still in the picture?
    
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    August 3, 2023 3:30pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Doesnt he bear a striking resemblance to a young (say march 1970) Fidel Castro?
  
  Uncanny!
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:31am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  She’s a lucky woman, finally out after 18 years !.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    Maybe she sees that his gold is no longer worth digging.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:36am
- redeye
  
  https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1686809830093111300
  
  Trudeau’s Divorce Leaves Nation In Shock That He Was Married To A Woman
  
  Snigger.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:02am
  - Humai
    
    Woman? “We like to say ‘people’ … “
    
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    August 3, 2023 1:27pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Au contraire, my pied friend. He hasn’t left her; he’s kicked her out! He’s going to stay in their house, and their three children will also live there “for stability”. His wife has been booted out to live nearby, and she’ll be allowed back in to look after the kids when he’s out of town.
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:55am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I thought it was the other way around
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:00am
Kiwiguy

Had an interesting experience recently talking to a couple of older Maori gents.
I had used their services to get some property work done.
One owns a contracting company, specialising in doing carparks.
The other does commercial property maintenance, including line marking.
They were both your decent, old-school Maoris, who didn’t take themselves too seriously, and who looked a bit like Hori (remember those books?)

One of them is handing his business over to his son soon: “He basically runs it now anyway, I’m just his nigger!” and they both laughed their heads off at that expression.
He’s then off to Aussie to get an easier, yet well paying job to see him into retirement.
So both these guys owned their own businesses, were doing well for themselves, were setting up their family for success, and were good, down to earth, hard working Maori Kiwis who were great role models. The kind of blokes I’d be honoured to have a beer with.

So WTF has gone wrong with the subsequent generations???
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August 3, 2023 8:10am
- Weinerpoop
  
  I’m in my late 40s and have very successful Maori mates like that, they are appalled at what is happening in this country. Very anti-left and anti-woke
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “So WTF has gone wrong with the subsequent generations?”
  They have been infested with a corrupt and rogue Waitangi Tribunal Treaty.
  When you try and explain the truth they get a little testy.
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:54am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “When you try and explain the truth they get a little testy.”
    
    They throw your toys out of the cot. Especially your laptop.
    
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    August 3, 2023 4:28pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  They’ve been fed a relentless diet that they are victims. Victims of oppression, victims of colonialism, victims of discrimination, victims of a racist health system, victims of systemic racism in the justice and health systems.
  
  It’s like they’ve taken some of Homer Simpson’s life advice – can’t win, don’t try.
  
  https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Mbk1DKtc9rsFldK/giphy.gif
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:00am
cmm

I arrived in NZ 31 years ago today. Am I allowed to call myself a Kiwi yet?
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August 3, 2023 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do you have Citizenship and a NZ Passport?
  Yep, you are a Kiwi.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:19am
  - cmm
    
    Got citizenship in 1998 or so. I turned in my SA citizenship.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:39am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Do you like Watties tomato sauce? 😆
      
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      August 3, 2023 11:08am
    - Lance
      
      Supporting the AB’s is compulsory 😉
      That was always a bridge too far for my SA workmate who gained citizenship.
      
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      August 3, 2023 2:39pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yup, I’m coming up to 23 years. Can’t quite get the accent yet, I suppose I could always learn the ‘official’ language…….does that have an accent?
  
  To use one of my favourite NZ terms, “yeah nah”. Not while it’s being forced down my throat.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “Can’t quite get the accent yet”
    
    Clan, old chap, your accent places you somewhere on/near ‘fresh off the boat’ 🙂
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Trying telling my brother and sisters that!! When I call them they constantly say, ”why are you talking in that funny NZ accent”???
      
      Took my kiwi wife back about 15 years ago, she reckoned the moment I set foot in the old place, my accent switched and she couldn’t understand a word I said….!
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:15am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        My wife’s been saying that for years, and we’re both born and bred New Zealanders. I have a feeling it’s what I’m saying rather than how I’m saying it.
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:02am
      - Don Beckett
        
        So Clan – are you a haggis eater then ? 🙂
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    One of my tennis besties hubby is a Saffer and a rugby nut.
    Really lovely guy.
    Although pisses me off to hear him say ….”Eden Pork”
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:53am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Don’t you know that ‘a garudge his where u pork yor ka’
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:09am
      - KH
        
        $50 Present Card to attend pregnancy tests. But you have to be Maori.
        I had thought women do it for the health of the baby.
        https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2308/S00021/act-will-put-an-end-to-race-based-healthcare.htm
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:13am
      - Jack5
        
        Mappie Pie hearing “Eden Pork” …
        
        The only place you can hear a decent, rhotic “r” in NZ is Gorrrre.
        
        Sadly, the Southland “burr” seems to being dying, washed out by the burble from TVNZ, Red Radio, and NZME’s stations.
        
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        August 3, 2023 1:31pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yup, got a mate originally from Zimbabwe, doesn’t really like it when I call him ‘Mork’ – bet you can’t guess what his real name is……🤡
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:21am
- Random T Person
  
  12 years for me, cmm and I’ve been a Kiwi for 8 of them…was once so proud, now feel like I’m back in the fucking Republic.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:35am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    We go out of our way to make you feel at home 🙂
    
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    August 3, 2023 12:00pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  If you lived in China for 31 years, would that make you Chinese?
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:17am
- Kiwiguy
  
  cmm: more to the point, do you even want to call yourself a Kiwi these days?
  It’s a bit embarrassing to be associated with NZ these days.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I doubt it..
  
  My old man was in the country for 57 years and served in the NZ Army for 6 years but was always referred to as a Scot….. (of course he followed soccer, and no interest in Rugby).
  
  The f-in-law was in the country for 55 years… always referred to as a German or a Russian (tho’ he’d legally never been a citizen of either country).
  
  Neither man had any interest/desire to ever leave NZ.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:47am
- Manu-Rau
  
  I was born here just over 60 years ago, but somehow I feel less like a New Zealander every day.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:22am
- Steve Todd
  
  cmm: I thought we sorted this out back in February. (See https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/02/general_debate_02_february_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3314742.)
  
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  August 3, 2023 4:43pm
Vinicius

The upcoming PREFU should be interesting reading when released. How bad are the government’s finance despite the spin from Labour?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/david-seymour-act-leader-says-grant-robertson-called-meeting-about-financial-restraint-to-improve-books-before-pre-election-update/

How long before Robbo blows his top and explodes? He doesn’t look a happy chappy atm.
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August 3, 2023 8:15am
- GazzaW
  
  Nicola Willis does a fine job of getting under Robbo’s skin at Question Time. She takes delight in provoking him and I’m convinced that one day he’s going to really lose it.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:42am
  - Lance
    
    Will he scream “hurty feelings” and demand a privileges review for intimidation?
    
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    August 3, 2023 2:42pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I believe things are far worse than we have been told. Grant will leave a real mess for incoming government that will take years and years to fix.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:50am
  - Vinicius
    
    Agreed.
    
    May be a bit like when Muldoon got turfed out in 1984 when Lange\Douglas found out how bad the economy really was.
    
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    August 3, 2023 10:47am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think Grant is unhappy because he’s spent the last 5 years believing his own spin, that the spending has all been necessary and affordable and anyway the debt repayment side of things can be kicked down the road.
  
  Slowly the scales are falling from his eyes that the sh*t is about to hit the fan. He’s torn between wanting to be PM and getting out before the spray comes.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:53am
Matt Long

I got the feeling from yesterday’s GD that many people do not feel altogether confident about Winston Peters’ honesty.
Graham Adams agrees.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-should-you-trust-winston-peters?postId=9747d9e1-c922-428c-bb78-32af22eecb44&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
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August 3, 2023 8:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Winston Peters and honesty do not belong in the same sentence.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:20am
- Matt Long
  
  If the entire NZ First candidate list were to sign a pledge not to go into coalition with Labour or to give them Confidence and Supply, would that keep them honest?
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:20am
  - dubya
    
    NZ First don’t have a good track record with transparency and MP pledge agreements!
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:30am
    - pdm
      
      Casey Costello does bring a bit of integrity to NZFirst that has been lacking in previous years.
      
      The problem is she is but one person and in all probability will be shouted down by the Peters and Jones factions.
      
      I will be interested to see where she is placed on their list – should be number 2 after Winston but more likely 7 or 8 as the die hards return chasing the easy $150k plus salary.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:17am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    Peters has pledged not to be part of a Labour Government. Note the loophole: That does not rule out giving them Confidence and Supply.
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:38am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Exactly. He wants the baubles, but nothing that will prevent from sleeping every afternoon.
      
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      August 3, 2023 8:43am
    - PeeJay
      
      Winston has no issues doing a complete 180. If the offer is large enough – and lets face it, Labour would rather bankrupt the country to hold onto power than be responsible during any negotiation – then Winston will find some oh so clever turn of phrase to try and justify him going back on his word / pledge / promise. His entire career has been spent gouging the trough – why do people think this time will be any different.
      
      As I’ve said many times, we’re still a free country (sort of / almost) so I’ve got no issues with anyone voting for him – that’s the great thing about democracy, anyone can vote for whoever they choose. All I ask for anyone voting NZ First is please don’t be shocked if he stabs you in the back – just like the fable with the scorpion and the frog, it’s in his nature to be a backstabbing liar.
      
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      August 3, 2023 8:56am
  - PeeJay
    
    You already know the answer to that – Winston would use weasel words that allowed him & his caucus a small out which he would then use. The man has no shame. And anyway, the only one that counts in NZ First is Winston.
    
    If Winston gets a better offer from Labour, he’ll go with Labour. If he gets a better offer from National, then he’ll go with National.
    
    Honestly – can’t believe we’re still debating Winston. How many times does he need to screw the country over before folks realise it’s in his nature to be a back stabbing SOB who is only in it for himself? Honestly despair that people are still trying to rationalise voting for him after all that he has done in his entire political career.
    
    Feel free to vote for him/them if you want – just don’t be surprised when Winston does the blindingly obvious and shafts the country again after the requisite bidding war.
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:50am
    - Grunter
      
      Peters is continuing to say that he supported the first Covid lockdown and everything that came with it. Don’t forget, the first lockdown was to “flatten the curve until vaccines arrive…..”. It cost the country $50 billion++. Peters still thinks this is a good idea and would no doubt repeat it. It is just lunacy.
      
      He is full of weasle words and he put the Red Queen on the Throne. If you want to reward that behaviour by voting NZF then you may as well vote Labour.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:16am
      - Matt Long
        
        It was to flatten the curve to stop hospitals being overwhelmed.
        Trump had only just started the Warp Speed vaccine development when the first lockdown occurred.
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:19am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sounds like Rodney might be throwing his support behind Winnie as well…..
  
  https://twitter.com/2ETEKA/status/1685770081517932544
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:24am
  - Grunter
    
    That makes sense – similar personalities
    
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    August 3, 2023 8:46am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Rodney Hide has integrity, unlike any of the politicians currently inhabiting parliament.
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:27am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Guess you have forgotten when Rodney was an MP 🙂
        Perhaps you meant to say Rodney Hide shows integrity since being an MP, unlike…….
        
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        August 3, 2023 4:26pm
    - Ghost
      
      Nope, not similar, and pretending he is similar only ignores why Winston is getting peoples support.
      
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      August 3, 2023 10:40am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The worst thing for him would be for people to just not talk about him. Second choice, don’t use his name and substitute a descriptive term or two.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:28am
- Agricola
  
  A National cabinet minister I knew once described “working” with Peters as being like trying to spear an eel. WP is a man who’s made a virtue of being mercurial … a hazardous feature in any relationship.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:29am
- surfing
  
  Hosking won a bet with Winston for $100 over the last election — Winston has still not paid up.
  
  I’ve a very low opinion of people who accept bets then do not pay up when they lose.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:36am
  - rockape
    
    Willie Jackson still owes me $500 for a bet on his radio program re the results of the 2014 election.
    
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    August 3, 2023 12:12pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’d say most people do not feel confident. But then, looking at the whole cess pit that is Wellington and the beltway, I cannot think of a single one who I trust.
  That’s a tragedy. Never felt so despondent going into an election.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:39am
Bridgenag

“From Robert W Malone
Both a JD and a citizen-journalist, Michael Senger has been at the forefront of tracking down and communicating the details of how and via whom the CCP/China Model for responding to the COVIDcrisis has been injected into the US Government and National security infrastructure. He has basically come to the same conclusion which I have – the CIA and its various domestic and western foreign allies have been at the heart of the public health fiasco and dysfunctional public policies from before this “pandemic” through to the present. I recommend reading his excellent summary of the case regarding the role of the US Intelligence Community in mismanaging the COVIDcrisis.”
The Unwitting Coup: Was the Response to COVID Effectively a Coup by the Western Intelligence Community?
The world has been counting on the intelligence community to call out anything untoward about the response to COVID. Of course, that won’t happen, because they’re the ones who planned it.

https://open.substack.com/pub/michaelpsenger/p/the-unwitting-coup-was-the-response?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 3, 2023 8:16am
Bridgenag

To pass on to those who deny and accuse of “cherry picking”
COVID-19 Vaccines and Informed Consent
Testimony, Facts and Receipts: Updated prior essay from Hon. John Allison, J.D.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/covid-19-vaccines-and-informed-consent-cc1?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 3, 2023 8:16am
- mandk
  
  No one in NZ could have given informed consent on the basis of the information on the consent-to-be-vaxxed form they signed.
  
  Not fully tested, not safe, not effective.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Not one person was given ‘informed consent’. It is impossible for it to have happened unless the person administering the shot was lying through their teeth about the ‘safety’ of the experimental garbage.
    
    If someone was given truthful information about the shot they would never have taken it, unless they are suffering from some serious mental deficiency.
    
    Just one simple fact if known would have stopped most people.
    The claim that the jab was ‘95% effective’. That was Relative Risk Reduction. If you explained to the same person that the Absolute Risk Reduction however was only 0.8%, things might have been different.
    
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    August 3, 2023 10:32am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    Everyone was told it takes a decade to test a vaccine. If you took it, then you consented to be a guinea pig.
    
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    August 3, 2023 10:46am
    - Keith White
      
      A very large number people took it because without it they lost jobs, income, careers, the ability to be reunited with family, etc.
      
      “Consented to be a guinea pig” for the jab is like saying the people who pay Mafia protection “consented to be a donor.”
      
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      August 3, 2023 11:34am
      - WaynelSexton
        
        The overwhelming majority pretended that they had to take it because of work.
        We all know 99% of people literally didn’t force their bosses hand.
        
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        August 3, 2023 1:12pm
    - mandk
      
      “Everyone was told it takes a decade to test a vaccine.”
      
      Really? Where on the consent form did it say that? And when was this stated from the podium of truth?
      
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      August 3, 2023 12:11pm
- Bullion
  
  This is such bs: “govt misinfo” “ivermectin” “hydroxychloroquine”. blah blah blah
  
  100k person study in Denmark:
  
  BACKGROUND:
  
  Patients with heart failure are vulnerable to the SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, limited evidence exists on the safety of the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines in this patient population. The objective of this study was to investigate the risk of all-cause mortality, worsening heart failure, venous thromboembolism, and myocarditis associated with the mRNA vaccines in patients with heart failure.
  
  CONCLUSIONS:
  
  Receiving an mRNA vaccine was not associated with an increased risk of worsening heart failure, myocarditis, venous thromboembolism, or all-cause mortality.
  
  https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIRCHEARTFAILURE.123.010617#
  
  UK data on sudden cardiac arrests show no change post vaccination:
  https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1684629103775997959
  
  Vaccines associated with lower all cause mortality:
  https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1679971173696966661
  
  Vaccines associated with BETTER cancer AND cardiac mortality.
  https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1679191050861318144
  
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  August 3, 2023 12:34pm
Random T Person

Not sure what the fuss is around ‘star’ journalist Tova. Her writing is pretty lame. Vance is far more competent. Luke Malpass, too, is not a particularly good writer.
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August 3, 2023 8:25am
slightlyrighty

Speaking of Trudeau.

He is certainly becoming much less popular at home…

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-announces-separation-wife-sophi-rcna97778

Even his wife can’t stand him!
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August 3, 2023 8:27am
Matt Long

Yesterday’s Scott Adams Says on YouTube, with regard to Biden’s fortune and how to get money to corrupt politicians, book deals with a high advance that make little profit for the publishers are the easiest way to pay bribes.
That reminds me of a recently retired politician in NZ.
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August 3, 2023 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I keep getting told that the rumours about the NZ Politician are not true.
  I don’t see anyone being sued.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:55am
Suze Wainwright

Why am I now seeing msm articles and social media feeds indicating that poll results have to be treated with caution?

There didn’t seem to be so much consternation earlier this year when a Labour/Greens (& TPM) govt was looking odds on and luminaries such as Jack Tame were opining that kiwis would be looking for a safe pair of hands under Chippie, rather than change…
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August 3, 2023 8:30am
Fisiani2

Just took part in a twenty person human hoarding blitz this morning in Karori. Great responses from drivers So the race for saving NZ has begun and is going well
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August 3, 2023 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  We’re doing human hoardings at the weekend, and regularly from now to the election. Driving up to Stratford with our candidate last weekend in his National Party branded car I was amazed at the number of waves (hands, not fingers) and toots we got.
  
  Two polls in two days telling roughly the same story will be a real fillip to Team National, both the candidates, and the many, many volunteers they have supporting them. Let’s #ChangeTheGovernment!
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:32am
krazykiwi

Hello from 37,000 feet. We’ve had 40 Portuguese world cup gals join mrs kk and I upstairs on an Emirates A380. They’re disappointed to be heading home after giving the world champions a fright but sadly not being to turn a draw into a win.

This aircraft has a bar and lounge seating, so a good way to meet fellow travelers as we tick off 17 hours. I chap I spoke with had just had heart surgery. He looked pretty fit. When I asked he immediately blamed “the vaccine” as his problems started “immediately after the bloody booster”.
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August 3, 2023 8:36am
- Grunter
  
  I recommend Nattokinase (local chemist) + Intermittent Fasting (no breakfast is easy after a few days of getting used to it). Gets rid of any spike protein from the jab.
  
  Cleared my brain fog and vertigo….
  
  If you’ve got an issue or are worried, give it a try.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:54am
  - surfing
    
    “Cleared my brain fog and vertigo….”
    
    I’d debate that.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:21am
    - Grunter
      
      Surfing – classic comment from you, as weak as leftie with wet pants
      
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      August 3, 2023 11:18am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Awww a bit harsh, Grunter. I did enjoy handing surfing his arse on a plate over covid/vax issues, but I’d not slander him as a leftie.
        
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        August 3, 2023 11:35am
      - wreck1080
        
        Ha, nice one, a leftie that votes Act, bit of a misfire.
        
        I simply disagree with the covid conspiracy nonsense. Plenty of those on the right think the same.
        
        You should have seen me put krazykiwi in his place, many times 🙂
        
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        August 3, 2023 4:46pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes …. definitely works. Got that advice from Robert W Malone
    
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    August 3, 2023 7:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks like I may have escaped the knife. Two vaccines, but no boosters. I decided against after reading about the deaths and problems of other reasonably fit people.
  
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  August 3, 2023 8:59am
Yvette

Minister for Police Ginny Andersen wants volunteer wardens to do more to help patrol the streets of Auckland’s city centre and “supplement” the police.
There are renewed calls for more police on the streets of Auckland’s central city after a recent fatal shootings incident at a construction site.
… She [Minister for Police Ginny Andersen] said Māori and ethnic wardens doing community patrols could help free up police to respond to crime in the area.

■ CHIEF RUNNING RABBIT CARDBOARD CUTOUT US$53.99
https://www.lifesizecustomcutouts.com/H49888-Chief-Running-Rabbit-Cardboard-Cutout-Standup
■ WYATT EARP CARDBOARD CUTOUT same price
https://www.lifesizecustomcutouts.com/H49003-Wyatt-Earp-Cardboard-Cutout-Standup

That will stop the bastards, and what is a Cardboard-Cutout-Standup with a few bullet holes or a stab slash or two? You just need a bit of duct tape instead of taking them to clog up ER
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August 3, 2023 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Auckland did that to slow traffic down on the bridge.
  Police car at the south side bottom – complete with a cardboard cutout Cop!
  I think it lasted about 4 weeks, the car was purchased to be used not parked up.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:03am
- rjay
  
  Great idea. You could dress them in a different uniform to distinguish them from actual police. I suggest brown shirts.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:23am
Maggie Pie

FEEL GOOD VID OF THE DAY 😀

Indian dairy owners take matters into their own hands…..

https://twitter.com/realJoedFischer/status/1686739544631037952
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August 3, 2023 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good stuff. Why didn’t he just hit him in the nuts?
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:06am
  - Don Beckett
    
    EEEeeexxxcellent- Da Bro sure got his ass whupped.
    
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    August 3, 2023 1:12pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Seems perfectly proportionate to me
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:12am
- mandk
  
  Great response.
  
  But they should have broken all his hand bones.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:40am
- sirknz
  
  If you like this sort of thing, ‘Thieves getting f*cked’ is a great follow.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:40am
- Matt Long
  
  Looks staged to me, wacking his shoes, after the other guy already has him down?
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:10am
  - Jack5
    
    🤔 I agree with Matt. Real whacks like that would break a leg.
    
    Also the actor: thin forearms, over-all light build, wrong skin tone.
    
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    August 3, 2023 10:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Could have hit him a bit harder. I thought he went quite easy on the pos.
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:41am
- Keith White
  
  Paul Kersey approves this message.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:36am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Noice! Bet that hurt!
  
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  August 3, 2023 4:34pm
Matt Long

Why is roading so expensive in New Zealand now?
Separate from the road cones and safety crews out numbering road workers RMA constraints and new design specifications make cost prohibitive.
In this case the Coromandel road was probably built with bulldozers, with no benching and limited compaction. 30 years ago it would have been rebuilt to the same standard that lasted 60 years for a tenth of the cost.
“The Realigning the whole section was ruled out, by cost (up to $54m) and time (up to three years), but also wildlife laws and lack of anywhere to dispose of spoil.

To the north was land managed by DOC, and to the south Māori freehold land, which would have taken several months to try to acquire, with no guarantee whether areas needed a change of alignment or other roadworks.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/495029/coromandel-slip-embankment-to-support-sh25a-had-fill-tipped-into-it-in-the-1960s
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August 3, 2023 8:54am
- Martonman
  
  My understanding is that cones cost about $40 each and are charged out at about $5 per day. ROI in 8 days.!!!
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:14am
  - Colville
    
    Try $12 each and $1 a week.
    
    But setup and checking is $90/hr….
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:46am
- muzled
  
  “The Realigning the whole section was ruled out, by cost (up to $54m) and time (up to three years), but also wildlife laws and lack of anywhere to dispose of spoil.
  
  What a load of bollox. There is an old section of road that runs around the ridge on the north (north east?) side of that slip that’s being used right now (it’s there from when they built the road). They could have put the realignment straight through there.
  
  That road could have been open to all traffic in in 3 weeks if they’d wanted it to be.
  
  To call it doc land is a complete copout, it’s govt land, doc just manage it.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:32am
Tempist

Interesting article in Unherd on the Voice referendum in Australia. Prognosis sound familiar?

https://unherd.com/2023/08/australias-divisive-race-referendum/
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August 3, 2023 8:56am
Warren

This is another reason for all those lovies
out there that gave their vote to Labour in 2017 because they fell in love with Prime Minister Jacina Ardern and continued to support her Government in 2021,
Well it’s now another Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and his Government is out of control with only the media to thank for keeping them afloat.
If you have young or older children it doesn’t matter because Labours spending and borrowing is out of control, with inflation, cost of living and crime, with debt over $100 billion dollars and your children with many others generations will be saddled with having to pay for it with higher taxes and it won’t be this election because they have ruled out that before this Election.
But nothing will stop them if they have the fortune to be re- elected in which generations will pay for Labours selfishness, greed and por management of taxpayers dollars.
Ask yourself one Question is this fair and should people’s children,
Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren
have to pay for Labours and their Finance Minister’s incompetence, I believe so but this problem needs addressing with you and your children being the ones to answer , a vote for Labour with Green’s and the Maori Party
is vote to continue down the same road.
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August 3, 2023 9:06am
Yvette

Wayne Brown forms committee to target ‘stupid’ council spending

May 04 2021
Deputy PM Grant Robertson setting up new ‘implementation unit’ to make sure Government policies actually happen
Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson will become the Government’s informal Minister for Delivery, thanks to a newly created “implementation unit” within the Government’s powerful Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, or DPMC.
The move comes after a term of Government in which several big-ticket plans fell apart as they were implemented – most notably KiwiBuild and light rail in Auckland – and is inspired by a unit set up by British PM Tony Blair.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300291501/deputy-pm-grant-robertson-setting-up-new-implementation-unit-to-make-sure-government-policies-actually-happen

What ever the Hell happened with that Grant?
Did it indeed follow Labour’s non-modus operandi – and not deliver
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August 3, 2023 9:13am
kevn

Maggie… Not Sophie leaving him?
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August 3, 2023 9:20am
Benedict Yu

I just can’t see the Government allowing KJK entering New Zealand 3 weeks before the election.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-to-return-to-new-zealand-in-september-will-border-officers-let-her-in/QMFZ42LTVNFD7DS5KAF5C6URFQ/

BTW she has not gone by “Posie Parker” for a few years. It is an alias that seems to have stuck with the media. However she never uses it and has not done so for a long time.
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August 3, 2023 9:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  They have no choice, really. The person who assaulted her has pleaded not guilty, and she is coming to New Zealand to give evidence at the trial.
  
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  August 3, 2023 9:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They most certainly have a choice. She has not been called as a witness. Even if she had been called they could use video.
    
    It could go either way but I think it is somewhat more likely that she will be refused entry.
    
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    August 3, 2023 1:51pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Probably because it is easier for them to remember.
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:05am
Tony Stuart

I watched the second half of the Women’s World Cup match last night from Wellington between South Africa and Italy. A dreadful night in Wellington, but they still had a crowd of over 14,000 in.

South Africa scored in the second minute of nearly 15 minutes of time added on to beat Italy 3-2 and knock them out of the tournament. The jubilation and excitement of the South Africans, winning at the World Cup for the first time in their history and the despair of the Italians, who would have got through with a draw was there for all to see. It was fantastic sporting theatre.
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August 3, 2023 9:37am
- Bullion
  
  I went along. It was a fun night out. Much better second half from Banyana Banyana. Not the highest quality game but lots of drama and effort.
  
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  August 3, 2023 12:39pm
- Cinematic
  
  In the same way a tribute act can provide a good night’s entertainment.
  
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  August 3, 2023 1:12pm
- Prince
  
  There seems to be something about Wellington that draws the best out of Sth African teams, rugby, cricket, football.
  Must be the apartheid policies emanating from the Beehive that makes them feel nostalgic.
  
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  August 3, 2023 3:08pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Baie goed comment.
    
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    August 3, 2023 9:01pm
DeepBlue

I get language changes and new words are required. But Maori have been soaking in hot pools forever. Surely through observation they would have a word for wrinkling of the skin.

This is just getting ridiculous.
‘Kuwhewhwewhe’..way, way too long to pronounce.

You also cannot convince me Maori didn’t have a word for lava either… given all the mythology about mountains moving.
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August 3, 2023 9:48am
- kowtow
  
  Required for what , exactly.
  
  Our enslavement to the Wellington Blob ?
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-colonialism-was-so-beneficial-to-new-zealand/
There is a lot of spin coming out of government circles about how bad colonialism is.

Elite Maori are insisting New Zealand decolonises.
More in the blog link.
“Uncancelled History with Douglas Murray – Colonialism” 60 minutes.
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August 3, 2023 9:50am
- trout
  
  Julian Batchelor has spent a lot of money and energy promoting his cause throughout the country; and is receiving a lot of support. And he has his shills on this blog. The question is, given that Winston, the great charlatan, will hitch on to anything that garners support and is promoting policies that parallel Batchelor’s agenda will Julian endorse Winston and NZF?
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Batchelor has occasionally mentioned NZF and Peters in the early days, hardly nothing now.
    
    The money spent by Stop Co-Governance comes from donations. People even funding the 350,000 books to the tune of thousands of dollars.
    
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    August 3, 2023 11:04am
Maggie Pie

Haven’t seen anything in the msm about how Lallies book-launch went?

Although ‘QueerNews’ in Australia look to have picked up on it…..

https://qnews.com.au/trans-activists-home-broken-into-in-suspected-hate-crime/
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August 3, 2023 9:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I feel so sorry.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:06am
- I remember when
  
  The activist took to social media to share the news of the break-in on July 16, one week after the launch……. seems to say it all.
  
  Obviously, someone try to get a free copy!
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:42am
Jack5

Voting choice gets more complicated.

First, ACT starts calling the shots: it won’t be in a coalition with NZ First. In a tight election this might rule out a centre-right government. Wow, or what happens if National is able to form a coalition with the Peters party and the Greens?

MMP is either an intricate and highly nuanced Parliamentary system, or it’s a shambles.

Second, Stuff’s indigenist, Joel Maxwell, quotes National’s deputy leader, Nicola Willis, speaking at recent Matariki function in Wellington:

“We are a country forged by the Maori people, with a bicultural foundation in the Treaty of Waitangi, and a multicultural present and future.

That is a wonderful thing to have.”

What sort of multicultural future?

The multiculturism of the former Yugoslavia? That endured by Kurds in the multicultural Middle East, by Muslims and Christians in India and Myanamar, by Uighurs in China, by Arabs in Israel, by ethnic Indians in Fiji?

She’d be thinking of something like that the minority indigenous English experience in London, but how can Nicola Willis be confident that’s what multiculturism would be like in NZ?

For those who think New Zealand is already multicultural, look at the following international comparison. By my rough count, NZ ranks about No. 82 in multiculturism level of nations:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-diverse-countries
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August 3, 2023 10:00am
- kowtow
  
  Multi ethnic , perhaps.
  Multi cultural , definitely a no to that.
  
  These throw away sentences by senior and supposedly sensible politicians actually show how shallow the intellect is behind the carefully stage managed performances that politics particularly has become.
  
  It is both frightening and depressing.
  
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  August 3, 2023 10:56am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Maybe i’m dumb…but if Maori have 2.7% supprot in the latest poll, why are Labor completely ignoring 97.3% of the voters?
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August 3, 2023 10:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Follow the money?
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:11am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Because they are very silly brainwashed twits?
  
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  August 3, 2023 4:55pm
Master Mariner

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/podcast-the-detail/the-feud-between-our-two-big-weather-forecasters
The poor analysis of recent weather events leads me too think of the dysfunction of both.
One political and the other getting limited resources, ie Metservice.
This should be all open sourced data as the tax payer is paying.
Peoples lives and livelyhood rely on accurate
Meteorology.
Not climate change peddled by NIWA.
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August 3, 2023 10:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yesterday it fair pissed down on the Shore. Rain and a bit of wind was a joke. Blew like hell, stuff not tied down blowing around the section. Tree branches on the roads.
  NIWA and Metservice seem to be in competition with each other. Even windy.com did not forecast it would be that bad.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:18am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thats the issue with Windy in NZ regions.
    It does not get data .
    Rest of the world its perfect.
    NZ not so.
    
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    August 3, 2023 2:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  NIWA is a Fucking disgrace.
  It has pulled the wool over politicians’ eyes for the last 30 years over the weather-climate interface.
  
  No other country indulges in such nonsense.
  
  It is well beyond time for all weather and climate research to return to the Met Office..and time for the public to gain full and free access to OUR historical meteorological data.
  
  . We’ve got some of the most restrictive policies when it comes to accessing weather data.
  
  “You have to pay a lot of money if you want data. What’s ironic about that is a lot of that weather data that NIWA now holds was collected by members of the public over the years; people that had a rain gauge in their garden and checked it every day for 50 years.”
  
  Gorman recalls wanting to write a story about a tornado that hit Christchurch in the 1980s, going to NIWA, and being told it would cost him $800 for a page of data.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018900795/the-feud-between-our-two-big-weather-forecasters
  
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  August 3, 2023 1:08pm
Maggie Pie

The housing market is heating up us we head toward the election….

According to Tony Alexander, FOMO is now at 44% in Auckland, with FOOP dropping to an all time low of 1% last month.

My partner reckons this indicates people know Chippie is f**ked.
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August 3, 2023 10:59am
- Colville
  
  National bringing back the deductibility of interest coupled with low listing numbers and low prices it could turn around quite quickly.
  The banks will step up as why would they want to miss out on making a few more billion$$?
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:34am
ClanMcleod

Anyone at all interested in having on hand a timeline of how the covid circus unfolded in the very early days needs to bookmark this.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/covid-propaganda-timeline-march-april

In real time, an independent organization called “Swiss Policy Research” (previously “Swiss Propaganda Research”) captured a cascade of events during this timeframe which contradict and document the propaganda which was globally deployed in a harmonized manner during this timeframe, and which drove both public fear and political responses for the following three years. My sense is that this timeline summary is damming. US and global corporate media (most particularly fearporn specialist broadcaster CNN which is closely tied to the US Council on Foreign Relations), clearly acted in close cooperation with the five eyes intelligence community and a variety of state, non-state, transnational and NGO actors to promote a false narrative.

In reviewing this timeline, I am stunned by how much of the SPR summary regarding the COVIDcrisis and the gross mismanagement of this global “public health response” (which we now recognize as accurate) was correctly understood and interpreted during this period of March-April 2020.

It is particularly useful for when someone tells you “oh but we didn’t know what we were facing at the beginning, it was nobody’s fault.”
Nope, not true. The data was all there. The warnings were out, but being suppressed. It wasn’t always easy to find information, but it was there. Anyone saying it wasn’t there at all is either shilling for someone or is simply wrong.

I was very fortunate in that I came across https://swprs.org/contents/ (Swiss Policy Research) very early in the piece. In fact, it was my go to for quite some time after Simon Thornley and Covid Plan B in NZ were censored and shut out of the mainstream in an orchestrated campaign.

(https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/)

Searchable, for anything you need to check regarding the nightmare of the last 3 years.
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August 3, 2023 11:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This needs to be printed on A2 paper and wallpapered inside Ardern’s house.
  
  “The only means to fight the plague is honesty.“
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:29am
- H. Upmann
  
  This link is a week or so old now and may well have been posted here before, but is well worth reading.
  For me personally, a quote from it well describes exactly why I never took any Covid vaccine. I figured that it is common knowledge that new medications can often take up 10 years and billions of dollars to bring to usage. Covid took only weeks, if not days. No thank you.
  “However, you cannot rush a drug, especially not something that has never been used before, such as mRNA technology. In a sane world, the mRNA “vaccine” trials would have been the longest in medical history. Instead, they ended up being the shortest, a mere few weeks long.”
  https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/07/joseph-mercola/the-pandemic-of-lies/
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:42am
  - miltonF
    
    The cynic in me says that they knew the vax would not work and would be harmful. The man-made covid virus, operation warp speed, lockdowns, vax mandates, censorship of truth, propaganda etc were all just ways to coerce or encourage people to take the poison.
    
    This makes much more sense than the official story unfortunately.
    
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    August 3, 2023 3:56pm
CAKE FACE1

Mr. Luxon should immediately rule out forming a coalition with Winston First.
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August 3, 2023 11:29am
I remember when

Ford said last week that it expects its EV unit, Ford Model E, to lose $4.5 billion in 2023, as it spends heavily to ramp up to a production rate of 600,000 EVs annually sometime in 2024.
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August 3, 2023 11:29am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Do they have any plans to start making a profit on EVs?
  Will the taxpayer wind up bailing them out?
  Dunno if it’s actually true, but I gather that Tesla and BYD are the only two companies making money on EVs right now.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    What happens when eventually a couple of EVs collide in a serious crash? On a busy motorway? Doesn’t bear thinking about.
    
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    August 4, 2023 10:21am
Loddenthinks

I’ve copied this from a post above by KH – I think it should be in its own thread or even an article (DPF?).

$50 Prezzy Card to attend pregnancy tests. But you have to be Maori.
I had thought women do it for the health of the baby.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2308/S00021/act-will-put-an-end-to-race-based-healthcare.htm

Brooke van Velden makes some valid points in the linked article on Scoop, however I feel she’s missed the main point. Regardless of who your ancestors were, if you have to be bribed to attend check-ups to assess and ensure the health of your unborn child, your parenting skills leave a hell of a lot to be desired.

She didn’t mention this, instead focusing on the fact that only Maori get the Prezzy Card and not everyone. Nobody should need to be coerced or bribed into taking advantage of the (generally excellent) free health services in this country, especially when it concerns the future health of your unborn child!
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August 3, 2023 11:31am
- Ghost
  
  I went to the GP today, sat down. Rubbed my tummy. Kia Ora I’m here to have my baby checked and get the prezzy card. Apparently according to my gp men can’t get preggy😱😱😱😱😱
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:33am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    What a monster, has he not spoken to Sarah Pallet MP for Ilam and midwife ?. She will put him right.
    
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    August 3, 2023 11:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How did the GP determine that you were a man?
    
    Did he carry out any DNA or hormone tests?
    
    Were you employing your feminine pronouns?
    
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    August 3, 2023 12:06pm
    - Ghost
      
      The pronouns on the medical records gave me away. Hmmm, when prounouns were rolled out Te Whatu Ora never asked they just assigned me a prounoun, how tude
      
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      August 3, 2023 12:17pm
    - H. Upmann
      
      I am sure that just a simple down-trou should sort that out.
      
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      August 3, 2023 12:50pm
Jack5

The damage of the Covid shutdowns are far wider than economic costs such as NZ’s inflation from the Labour-Reserve Bank printing billions of dollars.

In America, scores in university-admission exams are the lowest for 30 years, and young people joining the workplace are suffering from lower skills, with less able students hardest hit.

More than 100,000 American nurses left the occupation during the pandemic, reports the “Wall Street Journal”. Students taking nursing entrance exams are scoring an average of about five percentage points lower than before the pandemic. This is reducing the number of nursing recruits.

US Army recruiting tests scores are down 9 per cent.

The newspaper went to a Los Angeles company that does skill tests on 10 million prospective employees for various companies. It said verbal scores for men under 25 declined 11 percentage points over the three years of the pandemic. The biggest dips among men were in communication skills, reading comprehension, grammar, spelling, and attention to detail. Scores for women were less dramatically affected.
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August 3, 2023 11:33am
Maggie Pie

Thort this tweet was worth sharing…

Remember when you had friends over for lunch a couple of years ago they had to all sit outside and wee in the garden?

@jacinda.ardern @chris.hipkins @ grant.robertson
@meghan.woods @siouxie.wiles @ashley.blomfeld

https://twitter.com/brixwe/status/1686724267935739904
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August 3, 2023 11:34am
Hugh Jarse

I see Tova is back to her safe space, undermining a National leader, she’s pretty one dimensional as an opinion writer in that regard. Funny I would have thought having a good look at the Labours $20 Billion budget hole as a problem for their re-election would have been worthy of her talents, but no.
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August 3, 2023 11:40am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think that is her only talent, being derisive.
  
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  August 3, 2023 11:53am
Jack5

Myanmar’s (Burma’s) military dictators are a cruel bunch.

They have just reduced the prison sentence of the deposed, democratically elected leader Aung San Suu Kyi by six years. Her original sentence was 33 years, and she is aged 78. That means they’re saying she can now go free when she’s 105.

After overthrowing her regime two and a half years ago, the military junta had Suu Kyi convicted of 19 offences, which she denies. Junta official said that five of the charges had now been pardoned.

State media in Myanmar have suggested Suu Kyi may be transferred from prison to house arrest.
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August 3, 2023 11:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She is likely to die in custody.
  
  While I condemn the coup and her arrest, she was a great disappointment during the time that she was defacto leader.
  
  Short of massive armed intervention by the UN, Burma will be ruled by the military forever.
  
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  August 3, 2023 12:07pm
  - Inandout
    
    BY, as likely Devon Archer will. So sad really.
    
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    August 3, 2023 12:54pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Taking a lead from the NZ justice system…nothing like Home D to make the offenders feel like they’re not crims, really.
  
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  August 3, 2023 12:13pm
Blog-aholic

This could apply to New Zealand….if only people would listen.
https://9gag.com/gag/a9qVjRD
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August 3, 2023 12:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another indictment for Trump, to distract from Devon Archer’s testimony.

https://libertyonenews.com/donald-trump-predicts-he-will-be-handed-another-indictment-as-a-distraction-from-archer-testimony/
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August 3, 2023 12:24pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I know I’m going to regret this. But what exactly is Archer’s testimony supposed to prove against President Biden?
  
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  August 3, 2023 12:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    To prove that Hunter’s Ukraine and China deals were influenced by Joe.
    Joe has lied about it.
    
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    August 3, 2023 1:44pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And what, in what Archer said, proved that?
      
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      August 3, 2023 2:38pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/01/evidence-of-biden-burisma-corruption-is-overwhelming/
        Plenty of others covering it as well. Not so much here.
        
        Hunters Testimony in his own Court Hearing showed Joe lied too.
        You can look that up yourself.
        
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        August 3, 2023 2:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        AoR, Albert’s google machine is broken
        
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        August 3, 2023 4:39pm
- All_on_Red
  
  https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/08/this-trump-indictment-shouldnt-stand/
  
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  August 3, 2023 12:52pm
Grumpy Silver Haired Female

A rant.
Can no-one think of a better adjective to replace incredible?? Every report or radio interview contains incredible at least once, and sometimes repeated many times. I have just edited a 600 word report and changed out incredible in every paragraph!
Just in case you are looking for an alternate word for incredible, which means unbelievable, by the way, here are a few from a thesaurus.
magnificent, wonderful, marvellous, spectacular, remarkable, phenomenal, prodigious, miraculous, sublime; breathtaking, dazzling, amazing, stunning, astounding, astonishing, awe-inspiring, staggering, extraordinary, unbelievable; formidable, imposing, impressive, supreme, great, awesome, superhuman, fantastic, terrific, tremendous, stupendous, amazeballs, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, mind-boggling, mind-blowing, out of this world, unreal; literary wondrous (archaic, awful)
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August 3, 2023 12:34pm
- Swifty
  
  It started under Ardern as far as I’m aware.
  
  Her caucus and/or Ministers were always working ‘incredibly hard’ on stuff. Never just ‘hard’ always ‘incredibly hard’.
  
  I see it everywhere these days. Usually after some government stuff up and the first thing out of the spokesperson’s mouth is “Of course, we take xyz incredibly seriously….”
  
  They think we’re mugs.
  
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  August 3, 2023 3:53pm
- RalphT
  
  Wow! What an incredible list…
  
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  August 3, 2023 4:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Every time you read/hear the word, think:
  
  unbelievable; unconvincing; incogitable; far-fetched; implausible; inconceivable; improbable; suspect; preposterous; ridiculous; impossible; unthinkable; unconvincing; untenable; questionable.
  
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  August 3, 2023 5:13pm
greybeard

There is an advertisement, on NewstalkZB, and probably on lots of others, which is paid for by the taxpayer and is from the Ministry of Health.

It exhorts people who wake up and feel a bit out of sorts, or who have a sniffle, to stay home and avoid going to work.

“Let your body stay at home” : this old Covid message is now being applied to nothing more than a post-sleep sniffle !

How irresponsible to effectively sabotage businesses by telling people to stay at home. How controlling. How Labour.
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August 3, 2023 12:46pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Media people are happy though. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
  
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  August 3, 2023 1:38pm
- [email protected]
  
  Over 26 years we have employed some really good people and have had our share of “difficult” employees.
  
  There were people who rarely used sick leave and those who used all their sick leave every year ( and some who continued to call in sick after using all their sick leave).
  
  I don’t want people sharing their germs so am happy to pay people to not work when they can’t. But when someone calls in sick on a Friday and shows up with a sunburn on Monday you have ask how?
  
  We increased salaries once a year based on performance and the rate of inflation and those who always used all their sick leave got smaller raises.
  
  You want to support your best performers.
  
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  August 3, 2023 7:16pm
Maggie Pie

Do you know what I wish?

No – what do you wish?

I wish that Patrick Lam would move from Tauranga to Auckland.
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August 3, 2023 12:47pm
- greybeard
  
  That is just Pie-in-the-Sky thinking.
  
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  August 3, 2023 12:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I tried to follow the science but it was not there.
I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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August 3, 2023 1:02pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Good one Steve 🙂
  
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  August 3, 2023 1:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Facebook.
    
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    August 3, 2023 1:45pm
    - H. Upmann
      
      Virgin. Have never been there.
      
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      August 4, 2023 1:41am
Maggie Pie

And here’s something else you might not be aware of….

It was that nasty little big girls blouse Shanan Halbert that pimped on Tim 🙁
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August 3, 2023 1:06pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Who the feck is Shannan Halbert? Never heard of him/her/them.
  What is their claim to fame snd who is paying for them?
  
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  August 3, 2023 2:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hi Gravz
    
    Shanan is the MP-for-Northcote and Labor’s Rainbow Caucus Chair.
    
    Also something else that just struck me…. was how similar ‘Shannan’ and ‘Shaneel’ sound. Both besties with Chippie as well.
    Probably just a coincidence.
    
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    August 3, 2023 3:38pm
  - mandk
    
    Halbert is a delicate sort, who probably got all hurty because Tim vdM frowned at him.
    
    He will probably be out of Parlaiment after the election. He won Northcote with a smallish majority in the 2020 Covid election, and he is ranked only 28 on the Labour list.
    
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    August 3, 2023 4:07pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I haven’t been to Nortcote for about 30 years.
      Tells you something about the people that live there.
      
      Last thing I remember hearing about the place, was that Cindy shopped at the Northcote Savemart for her clothes!
      
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      August 3, 2023 5:47pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Tim van de Molen is the most inoffensive gentleman that I have met.
      Very few of you will know this but he faced down a candidacy challenge earlier this year. Local Nats wanted an MP who would get up the nostrils of the Toxic Trio. Tim was considered too nice. Those candidacy challenges are held under tight security and it was a fluke I heard about it.
      Anybody threatened by Tim van de Molen must have severe problems of their own.
      
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      August 3, 2023 6:08pm
Jack5

Woke “debanking” widens in UK.

Woke activism is widening in Britain’s banking and financial services. This “debanking” activity entails cutting off services to targeted people, companies or groups.

SumUp, a “card reading” company thath provides services in Britain similar to eftpos and credit card companies in NZ, has acted against horse-and-hounds type hunting clubs.

Several clubs have found card services switched off during fund raising.

The Telegraph reports that also among the blacklisted are companies linked to shooting, such as those whose sale or distribution inlcudes “guns, firearms, airsoft guns, munitions.”

The newspaper says the restrictions have been described as a form of discrimination against rural communities and have led to calls for an investigation into the financial services industry.
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August 3, 2023 1:17pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Companies are being led around by the gonads with ESG stupidity.
  
  They should band together and tell the ESG commie/woketards/fascists to take a hike.
  
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  August 3, 2023 3:49pm
Chuck Bird

I emailed Dr Sam Dean and asked him if he is willing to debate with Dr Judith Curry. The video from the link below allows comments.

Facing the climate future after hottest month on record |Q+A 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MTTGcfmxyI

He did not give me the courtesy of a reply. I then phoned him and asked him for a written reply claiming I was rude and referred to him as an alarmist. This was not true as I referred to others in the Climate Change Commission as alarmists.

It annoys me that these so-called experts are paid by the taxpayer and will not debate their religion will real experts on climate change.

I am sure Jack Tame would not debate the issue here on Kiwiblog.

I will paste the email I sent him and would commenters say if they think I was rude or was it him.

Q + A Interview

I watched with interest Jack Tame interview you on TV last Sunday.

I am annoyed that the climate change issue lacks balance. I will first tell you a little about myself regarding climate change.

I had been an active member of the National Party for a few years. By active I mean I flew to Christchurch a couple of times to AGMs. That involves money for airfares and accommodation.

When Chris Luxon became leader I was initially impressed. However, when I read his article in the Newsroom praising James Shaw I resigned and joined Act.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/chris-luxons-desire-to-work-more-with-the-government

When I saw his treatment of Maureen Pugh I knew I had made the right decision.

Luxon does not just talk of deniers – a pejorative term – but also minimalists. I am not sure if Luxon believes the alarmists or just the polls and focus groups.

While a member of National I joined the Blue Greens. I listen to alarmists such as Dr Rod Carr. I was not impressed. I asked James Renwick if he was prepared to debate with Dr Steven Koonin. He said no and denigrated him based on a book he wrote and Renwick had not read.

I then look at another member Ms Catherine Leining. She is a disciple of Al Gore. Need I say more?

I would like to ask if you would be prepared to debate with Dr Koonin or Dr Judith Curry?

Judith challenges anyone to a debate but she cannot find any takers.

Let us say the alarmists are right. What are the pros and cons of following James Shaw, a man with no scientific training or David Seymour, an electrical engineer?

If we follow Shaw we will do little to reduce C02 but damage the economy, especially agriculture. And how much CO2 will affect the climate is up for debate. If we follow Seymour and reduce CO2 enough not to damage our trade we do virtually nothing to affect the climate.

I could make this much longer and raise many other points such as methane and the use of SMRs but my reason for this email is to see a debate that Kiwis can watch and make up their own minds hopefully before the election.

Kind regards
Chuck Bird
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August 3, 2023 3:39pm
Swifty

“Let’s take back our country.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=beT63KWgHHc

“From the people I personally handed it to in 2017……”
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August 3, 2023 4:19pm
- greybeard
  
  My email to Kate Hawkesby 23rd July 2023:
  
  ” “The wide-ranging speech concluded with Peters unveiling the party’s slogan: “Take our country back.”
  What a hypocritical prick: HE was the one who gave our country away !
  To an inept, communistic and corrupt pack of idiots.
  Do NOT ever give Peters the time of day on your programs, I beg you. “
  
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  August 3, 2023 5:01pm
Ghost

I completely agree with grant and support him, this is not in the public interest

Parliament in hysterics over Nicola Willis’ awkward question to Grant Robertson
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August 3, 2023 5:14pm
slightlyrighty

From Parliament today….

Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): In answer to the first part of the question, I met with Public Service chief executives yesterday, as I have done several times in the last three years, as part of the Government’s fiscal sustainability and effectiveness programme, which we announced in Budget 2023 in May.

this begs the question…How could he have met the Public Service Chief Executives several times in the last three years as part of a programme he announced 3 MONTHS AGO!
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August 3, 2023 5:16pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else see Nicola Willis during QT today ask Robbo ….
“how big his hole was”?

He replied “I’m not about to share that with the public”

LOL!!!
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August 3, 2023 7:17pm
David Garrett

So, another gang shooting in Auckland last night (the colour of the clothing of the shooter is a giveaway)

What is most disturbing about the report is that he “pulled out a gun”, suggesting that the weapon was a pistol rather than a rifle, even a sawn off one.
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